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So can you please tell me where I can buy Linux versions of Final Cut Studio, Shake 4, Creative Suite CS, Flix Pro, Sound Studio, Toast, and Sony's XDCAM HD transfer apps please?

I cannot believe that you got modded troll for that. It is true, there are not enough commercial apps available for Linux at the moment. What I wouldn't do for Solidworks on my Ubuntu box!

For Creative Suite, write to these folks:
http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/contact.html

For Flix, write here:
http://www.on2.com/index.php?373

Write to these folks asking about Sound Studio for Linux:
http://www.freeverse.com/support/

This is the address for the people responsible for Toast:
http://www.roxio.com/enu/company/contact.html

And the infamous Sony:
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/corporate/contacts.asp

Please, don't be shy and WRITE TO THEM! If we don't write and let them know that Linux is a viable OS with a strong user base, then they will never port their software to Linux.

It was XP. I remember having the same problem with Roxio Easy CD Creator 5, even though it worked fine in Windows 2000.

SS Scott Dec 11 2006, 03:22 PM

Your assessment is correct. BDMV = True Blu authoring. BDAV = HD video on a disc.

Also, I am not an expert in BDAV, but my understanding is the the maximum bit rate is 15mbs as opposed to 40mbs for BDMV. So while you might be able to do justice to 720p in BDAV, 1080p which really should have an MPEG-2 bitrate of at least 24mbs would be a stretch.

I can't comment on the HDV. I don't think that works in BDMV.

Something else to be aware of. Different settops have differing levels of support at this time. Panasonic and 1st gen Samsung player support BDMV on BD-R. First gen Samsung's don't support BDAV, firmware updated Samsung's don't support BDMV on BD-R. You'll have to check the status of other machines support.

Of course this will all even out over time, but in these early days, the status is not too different from that of DVD ten years ago when there was spotty support for DVD-R.

I purchased Toast 8 yesterday for $99 and found, on reading the fine pint on the rebate form (downloaded and printed after my purchase), that I am NOT eligilbe for the $30 rebate since I did not previously own the software. The Roxio site does an excellent job of concealing this requirement. Kudos to the little weasel who created it. Do you see anything here about the rebate being connected to previous product ownership? http://partner.roxio.com/affiliates/tivotoast/defa ult.aspx I didn't. Nothing on the order page either. Deceptive practice at best.

I'm pretty sure I'm in line with everyone else in that I don't really want to buy a $100 dollar piece of burning software just so I can download and view my tv shows on my mac.

But for those that are into that. If you go to Roxio's site to an invalid URL (Like this one), you can get a 10% off coupon for their online store.

Someone's way ahead of you.

http://www.roxio.com/enu/images/boxshot/120x160/12 0x200_toast7_box_ub.jpg

Welcome to the other side :)

I think the tools you are looking for are:
    - HandBrake (free, but donations welcome)
    - Toast ($$)
For your Unix stuff:
      - Darwin Ports
      - Fink
and for others:
      - Version tracker
and mac games:
      - Inside Mac Games

Also be sure to check out Adiumx.com, vlc, MPlayer OS X and the software from omnigroup.com

My pants have legitimate uses that do not infringe on your pants patent(s) and so I have every right to sell them. I could even counter sue you in that your pants *could* be used in the ("dual boot"!) manner patented by myself. My justification here would include your earlier comment: "It's not how the customer finally uses it. It's how it is "intended" to be used. And how it's intended is up to the one holding the patent." Lawyers win again.

(damn, this is getting wierd)

were cd burners available back in 1995/6?

There have been CD burners available since the late 1980s

you're going cite the case where someone was charged (not convicted, just charged) for downloading dvd ripping software?

So is your argument that "it's not illegal if you don't get caught"? How do you know that the FBI isn't going to make an example of you next?

you'll cement your argument by documenting how there are no successful commercial products that require 3rd-party dvd-ripping software, such as the presumably non-existent Roxio Popcorn software (oh yeah, everyone uses Popcorn for ripping those non-copyprotected dual-layer dvds that they uh, produced themselves, and then uh, lost the original files, and then uh..??)

For one thing, System requirements: Mac. For another thing: "Popcorn copies DVD-Video discs, though Roxio is careful to point out that Popcorn does not copy encrypted or copy protected DVDs -- in other words, almost all of the commercial movies sold on DVD at retail stores." So where can I obtain such "3rd-party dvd-ripping software" without any laws being broken?

By contrast, since the fair use doctrine is not a defense to the act of gaining unauthorized access to a work, the act of circumventing a technological measure in order to gain access is prohibited.

One of the conditions of access to the work imposed by the copyright owners is that you play the disc only on DVD Video players licensed by the DVD Forum.

you can always try this.... bwahahaha

Personally I'm having no issues with my morning podcasts... although I am using this app.

"Via google news, whilst doing butt-clenches, feeling guilty having had extra marmalade on my toast this morning, I found an article at MSNBC...

In future, please just give us the relevant links. The editors around here are so bad they don't even notice people giving out about them. Editors sans narcissism, what will they think of next?

Toast only runs on Mac. You'll have to use Easy Media Creator if you're using a PC.

Toast only runs on Mac. You'll have to use Easy Media Creator if you're using a PC.

According to Roxio's latest quarterly report (three months ending June 30, 2004) on page 18, the "Consumer software" segment of Roxio did make money: on $22,048,000 of revenues, it made $4,585,000. The music segment didn't do so well: on $7,867,000 of revenue, it lost $8,136,000.

NEC may have told you its impossible, but Roxio are now saying that if you have a Mac, it's easy with a free download in June.

I didn't post above, but I currently use both XP and 2000 daily. Make your own decisions but I also use OS X daily and it's far and away the most pleasant working environment I've encountered to date. That doesn't mean it's perfect, by any stretch of the imagination, but that's not the point now, is it.

As for "OS 9," um, who's talking about OS 9?

If you want Unix, install Linux... FreeBSD... SuSE... Debian... Lycoris... Lindows... There are choices in the Windows world.

Well, by the time I've finished clicking through the (Continue) buttons in an OS X install I've managed to install both the entire GUI environment and the entire Unix OS. I can also install other Unix systems on Mac hardware, but frankly I've got everything I need right here.

I don't need to install anything else except Logic Pro 6, Ableton Live, MetaSynth, ArtMatic Pro, MetaTrack, Voyager, VTrack, Absynth, OmniGraffle, OmniOutliner, OmniDiskSweeper, Studiometry, FileMakerPro, Adobe Creative Suite, LaunchBar, MySQL, Perl 5.8.3, Fink, Plone, Keynote, BBEdit, FastTrack Schedule Pro, Sonasphere, Toast 6, ZBrush, and a few more but I'll get to those tomorrow.

I run all these (plus my email, internet, contacts management, calendaring, etc) in the same operating environment; not an emulation shell, not after dual-booting, but in the very same operating system and simultaneously.

To top it all off OS X comes with a full set of developer tools, documentation and optimization utilities, plus Cocoa+Obj-C is a match made in heaven.

There's no need to pay Apple for a decent Unix experience.

Well, I believe there is. I enjoy the ability to support quality whether it's a film, a restaurant, a music venue, a book, clothing, my neighborhood, an artist, etc. every single day.

The hardware is just a hunk of material until you've discovered/designed an interface with which to use it. Solely on a base consumer level, I'm very happy to pay Apple for what is, in daily practice, a superior computer operating system. From the level of both a technology consultant and a media creator, the solution is very simple.

OS X is a very impressive "Holy Grail" for all my current activities. Strap me in because I'm ready to get to work.

What is the best software to use to create such a beast on Windows, Mac, and Linux systems?

For audio CDs, SoundForge formerly of Sonic Foundry, and now owned by Sony Pictures seems to be the industry favorite, and is generally considered the best multi-track audio sequencer around. Here is a review. You will also need Roxio or some other CD burning software to create the CD.

And conversely, has anyone used any of the music software on these platforms to actually analyze the contents of commercial subliminal CDs?

For that, you need some sampling software and some oscilloscope software. Talk to the DJ at your local club (the kind who has two decks and a microphone and a laptop). Your local DJ should be able to sample and analyze the CD for you, although it's not all that usefull... Audio signals layers get flattened to a single layer when burned to a CD, and it's difficult to separate the layers afterwords. That being said, we often times just used WinAmp to analyze audio signals. When analyzing audio spectrum, we would often run it through a video oscilloscope... Personally, I like to use G-Force as it's easy on the eyes and can analyze amplitude, frequency, and phase, at the same time. There are some software packages which people have written to try to seperate a flattened audio feed into seperate channels, although they usually don't work well (i.e. most of them are crap).

One common method of creating a "hidden message" is to write a short track and layer it inside the base by decreasing it's frequency and putting it below normal speaking range, down in the base range, with the drum beat. You can also take a message and put a white-noise mask over it, although signal loss is obviously a problem with that method. Obviously, you can also distort a message's temporal length, and make it veeerrrryyy sssllllloooowwww or vry fst. And you can also phase shift it, although that gets kinda weird.

A really good method for creating a good subliminal message, however, is to use symbolic messaging rather than embedded messaging. Basically, you separate your message into "chunks", and divide the chunks between different layers. As a somewhat silly example, which illustrates how this works, imagine that my subliminal message was "Impeach Bush". I would then chunk the message into "Impeach" and "Bush" obviously... Then I would sample two music clips, such as some dude saying the words "bush & beaver" and some chick singing the words "I'm just a wild peach". I'd loop the guy's sample to create one of those kinda annoying euro dance beats, and use the chick's sample as part of the refrain. If the refrain was sung three times throughout the song, and the last line to the refrain was "I'm just a wild peach", there would be three subliminal messages in the song, as the words transitioned from the girl saying "wild peach" to the guy saying "bush and beaver"... With the end effect of three subliminal messages in the CD approximating the impression "Impeach Bush".

By the way, there are a lot of twits on the slashdot forum today who are posting stuff like "subliminal messages are bullshit" and "subliminal messages don't work". I used to work at the National Opinion Research Center which is a demographics research center, and monitored things like commercials and subliminal messages. That was part of my job. Granted, we tended to concentrate on visual feeds, rather than auditory feeds. However, I can guarantee you that subliminal messages are extinsively used in communications. Often times, people create a subliminal message without even realizing it. Other times, they are sneakier and craft

That sounds a lot like the Rioxio Easy Media Creator 6 I have... which is adequate for a DVD n00b, but the OP was asking about the next level. Unless there is some phenominal improvements in version 7 over v6, which there apparently isn't, then there's no way I'd recommend it.

Actually, no. Microsoft is selling products for less than what COULD BE CHARGED. But since we all got fed up with those prices and started demanding more value for the money, they took care of it. Sure Linux is free beer/speech, but it hasn't been up to snuff for most peoples' needs. It's been "getting there" for a while though and I'm increasingly impressed with it as a desktop OS.

By the way - using your logic, shouldn't all free beer Linux distributions be illegal? I mean, it's dumping right? I don't think I'll hear you crying about "dumping" when (and if) a free beer Linux distro ever overtakes Microsoft Windows.

I can easily pay $80 for a CD burning program, but only the vendor of that particular product is going to tell you it's worth it. Any user who doesn't need best of breed features won't pay that much for a product until they do provide those features. In the meantime, Windows provides just enough to get by with.

As far as "people like me" go, I would like you to point out where I stated that Microsoft is killing the IT industry? Failing that (consider it failed), show that Microsoft is killing the IT industry? Failing that, at least show that the IT industry is somehow dying? Failing that, please don't bother. Your kind of rhetoric is flimsy, inflammatory, and not at all based on reason or fact. You may not LIKE Microsoft, but that really isn't relevant.

According to the press release it is seperate. They've broken up the revenue streams in to categories, sold downloads and subscriptions are seperate.

LOS ANGELES, Calif. - February 23, 2004 - Napster(R), a division of Roxio (Nasdaq: ROXI), today announced that it has recently become the first PC-only digital music service to sell over five million downloads. The Company also announced that it has served hundreds of millions of page views since its late-October launch and has attracted over 1.5 million basic and premium members. Napster, which generates multiple revenue streams from a unique combination of single and album downloads, prepaid download cards, premium subscriptions and the licensing of its popular brand, is expected to generate at least $20 million in music sales in its first year.

Anyone can build inherent redundancy into data. In fact, CDs have inline Reed-Solomon encoding so that they can resist scratches as large as 4000 consecutive bits. The real question is how long the physical media itself will last. Given that CDs can degrade in as little as two years, how long will this last?

Again, you gave some very useful related information, but you're not really answering my question. These questions need to be answered by those developing the technology.

Oh yeah, I guess you could run windows on your AMD XP XXXX+ and use Windows Movie Maker...not!

No, maybe not. Ya see, Windows Movie Maker is the 'Notepad' of movie editing on Windows.

But you could use Magix video deLuxe PLUS, Magix Movie Edit Pro 2004, Sony Screenblast Movie Studio, Ulead Videostudio, Pinnacle Studio, Roxio VideoWave Movie Creator ...

It costs next to nothing to stamp out a DVD.

I am so torn about this. On the one hand, I love my cheap CD-Rs and DVD-Rs. But I hate how fragile they are and how there's no consensus on how to properly label them. Not to mention the hours I spend on Afterdawn trying to figure out what the best *-R discs are...muttering about polycarbonate the whole time.

So one solution would be to put the discs in a caddy, which would drive up the price. But then I wouldn't have to worry about...anything short of stepping on them. Is Magneto Optical the answer?

So anyway, my point is when I see the headline "Tech Titans Prepare to Battle Over Next DVD Format"--all I can do is cringe because I can pretty much bet on caddy-less media. Why? My tin foil hat says: because the RIAA/MPAA makes more money every time your favorite disc gets scratched and you have to buy a new one.

If you wanna give music as a gift, check out the Napster Gift Card.

After spending the last two years going over like a Lead Balloon, Pressplay just rebranded itself with the Napster name.

The corporate overlords may want to buy into the customer goodwill that surrounds the Napster brand name instead of the apathy that surrounds the Pressplay brand name, but they're just polishing a turd. People didn't want to rent their music then, and they won't want to rent it now.

The emperor has a little kittyface mask on, but he's still naked.

iTunes for Windows requires Quicktime 6.4 to be installed for it to work (or 6.3 for the Mac version).

Why?

Because all the decoding of the AAC files - both DRM'd and non-DRM'd - is completed through the QuickTime libraries (NOTE: this is also a way to get iTunes to play ogg/vorbis encoded tracks). ANY application that makes the appropriate calls to the QuickTime API can decode and play tracks ripped by iTunes into AAC and tracks downloaded from the iTMS (assuming the computer is authorized to play them).

So, in theory, it's possible to get WinAMP to play files downloaded from the store if you don't want to use iTunes as your player software. Toast for Mac already can burn tracks ripped by iTunes and/or downloaded from the iTMS onto an audio CD.

The only problem is audio device support, but Apple likes it's iPod sales and Hell already froze over, so we probably won't be seeing WMA support on the iPod or iTMS compatibility on 3rd party devices ever - or at least not until iPod sales start slipping in a major way.

MusicMatch sucks... Winamp for Windows and XMMS for Linux.

Everything else is worthless.

and for ripping CDs use CDex

and for burning... is it too fucking much to ask for you to use Nero? Is it too hard for you? At least EZCD? c'mon people.

2. If you install the O/S, then Visual Studio, then Norton Internet Security (kind of important on a windows 2000 box, which doesn't have an integrated firewall), then try to update Norton and Windows, WHICH OUGHT TO WORK, Norton will update fine, Windows Update will crash several times, and the end result will be your IIS will stop working, so your Visual Studio won't be able to create VS.Net projects. I think this might be related to a recent patch, because it didn't happen before Service Pack 4 came out.

Under known issues with SP4, I found this, which, I believe, addresses your Norton problem in item 2.

3. If you have a recent copy of Roxio's CD burning software, it'll stop working after you update Windows. The app will start up, but it'll crash as soon as you insert a CD-RW into the drive. I've updated the software from the Roxio site, too, hoping that would help (no luck). It's got to be something in one of the windows patches. So, patch windows or burn CDs! You seem to have to choose one or the other. Older, no longer available copies of Roxio seem to keep working, so if you get a Rio Volt MP3 Cd-player, you can install the older software off of their disk (warning: this might not be true anymore).

What CD burner do you have? I have found a reference to Sony burners failing with SP4 unless you install a fix from Roxio here, which may cover #3.

5. Windows patches keep restoring MS Outlook Express! If I kill it off, it keeps coming back like a friggin' vampire. It's the undead, unwanted email app. Actually, the only easy way I've found to kill it is to change the security on the Outlook Express folder so that no one has read-write priviledges, then boot from a floppy and clean the thing out. This way, Windows can't keep putting the files back (Grr... Windows puts 'em back THREE SECONDS after you delete them, otherwise!).

I have already addressed #4(or 5 :-)) when I discussed WFP.

1. If you install the O/S, then patch it, and THEN try to install Visual Studio, the Visual Studio installer crashes. The problem seems to be that if you install Microsoft's updated .Net packages before Visual Studio, Visual Studio can't handle that and it chokes.

That leaves #1 which, I too, had this problem with. However, all I did was go to add/remove programs, uninstalled the .NET framework that windowsupdate installed, then restarted VS.NET installation. Worked fine after that, and I just skipped the .NET framework recommendation on the windowsupdate site (it was not a "critical" update, anyway).

The point being that as awesome as the resources and support are for Linux and other open source OSes, there is a multitude of free support for Windows as well. I don't infer that this relates to a lack of knowledge or ability, but perhaps a lack of effort to resolve the problem?

Here is a snippet of the Press Release:

Roxio acquires Pressplay as the foundation for the re-launch of Napster®

The Global Leader in CD and DVD Recording Software Adds Premier Legal Online Music Service to its Digital Media Assets

Universal Music and Sony Music Entertainment now Minority Stockholders in Roxio

SANTA CLARA, CA, May 19, 2003 - Roxio (NASDAQ:ROXI), The Digital Media Company®, provider of the best selling digital media software in the world, today announced that it acquired Pressplay, the nation's premier online music service. As a result of this transaction, Roxio has acquired a legal digital music distribution infrastructure and catalog rights with all five major music labels. Pressplay will serve as the foundation for the launch of Roxio's new legal on line music service under the Napster brand.

"Roxio's acquisition of Pressplay significantly accelerates the development of our online music business which is central to the strategic development of our company," said Chris Gorog, Roxio's Chairman and CEO. "With our acquisition of Napster we obtained the most powerful brand in the online music space. Now, with our acquisition of Pressplay, we have the most complete and scaleable legal technology infrastructure to use as a platform to re-launch Napster. After taking the necessary time to add features, enhance functionality and improve usability we will launch a new service with an extremely compelling consumer experience that builds on the qualities of the Napster brand."

Full details available here.

Roxio is trying to buy "substantially all" of Napster's assets which is mainly the Napster name and the IP patents Napster has. Roxio passed on the physical assets (obviously) as it didn't need them, and on just buying the company outright as it didn't want to inherit Napster's debt load or pending lawsuits. The proposed sale is for $5 million in cash and 100,000 shares ($300-$400 thousand), and needs to be approved by the Delaware bankrupcy court handling Napster's bankrupcy.

What they intend to do is "secret" until Napster is actually bought, but with a reasonable assumption or two you can figure it out. Roxio's business is computer software, and about 40% of their income used to come from OEM bundling of lite versions of the software with computers and CD-R/RW drives. When the PC market took a dive, the OEM agreements made less, but also slowed the rate at which new users were upgrading from the lite to the standard version of the software which further reduced revenue. If you look at the income they reported this last summer, it was well below expectations and at that point the stock dove from the $16-$18 range to the $3-$5 range.

Roxio needs/wants a source of income that is not tied to how often people buy new computers or CD burners. A subscription music service may just be the ticket. Remember, Roxio has agreements and contacts with all the major recording labels and even with some movie houses.

For the record, I don't work for Roxio, I just know about an eighth of the company.

Beos has fewer applications, sure, but it also has a consistent interface...

Those two things are related. As soon as you get a real rush of programmers and popularity, you can kiss your consitency goodbye. You're always at the mercy of some idiot who thinks that his "revolutionary new idea" (bitmapped buttons / custom window frame / dark grey on black text) is worth throwing own consitency and ease of use. You just can't win, they outnumber you. Enjoy it while you can.

guys from emi [...] were very reasonable. they understood that any drm they put out will be immediately broken.

Do you still have old cassette tapes or vinyl LPs? Use CD Spin Doctor, included with Toast 5 Titanium, to turn those scratchy records or cassette tapes into high fidelity CDs. Here are just a few CD Spin Doctor features:

• Records from any analog source (phonograph, tape, or microphone)
• Special sound filters eliminate noise, pops, hisses, and clicks
• Enhancement filters convert mono to stereo and boost Bass or Treble
• Wave form display with zoom in and zoom out capabilities

Wow, what a name. I wonder what Roxio thinks of it, since their product line for making good audio CD's consists of, yep, Toast and Jam.

I just sent Roxio another e-mail telling them I'm pissed. The URL to do so is here.

This is the message I sent:

Your Toast project manager has been busy! He's been telling all the Mac faithful that even though the new EULA for Toast says you can use DRM, you won't. Is this a promise? Are we supposed to take his word for it? Because honestly, when confronted between believing a legal document, or some "Toast Manager", I believe the legal document. As far as I'm concerned, as long as the Toast EULA says you can use malware, YOU'RE USING MALWARE. If you're not now, you will later, and that scares me. Once again, I am no longer your customer.

More specifically, the URL for submitting mail to customer service is here.

Here's the message I sent them:

"This message is regarding your new, changed, EULA. I read the message from your product manager stating that Toast for Macintosh doesn't have DRM components, but that's not the point. The point is that by changing your license agreement, you are claiming the right to install malware on my system at any point in the future without further notice. That makes me mad, and has turned me from a "customer" into a "former customer"."

I took elements from this excellent post by "bnenning".

I hope everyone who had time to gripe here on Slashdot will also have time to submit a level-headed and reasonable explanation of why you are unhappy with this and will no longer support them by buying their products as a result.

Make sure you point out competitors who aren't doing this, other software, etc.

This kind of thing will be won battle-by-battle not with one definitive law or judgment. Do your part if you really care.

--Rick

For you folks who want to go back to 5.1.3 but don't have the installer lying around roxio still has it on their server. Here is the direct URL to it.

I'm posting this because even though the link on the support page says you're downloading the 5.1.3 version it's really giving you the 5.1.4 crippleware.

If roxio pulls it can someone mirror it? I'd offer to but the other residents in my apartment complex might object to a slashdotting. Not to mention the network admin who is a friend of mine.

Of course, blurring that party line, Apple just bought Emagic, publisher of several pro audio production and mastering tools -- including WaveBurner Pro, my choice for audio CD mastering and IMHO a ton better than Jam. I actually bought Toast with Jam but returned it due to (1) crossfade limitations and (2) WaveBurner Pro having a far better visual interface.

WB Pro does audio mastering right, but I still need a good tool for data burning; I was going to just get Toast sans Jam, but with this DRM news I may be shopping for an alternative.

Of course, blurring that party line, Apple just bought Emagic, publisher of several pro audio production and mastering tools -- including WaveBurner Pro, my choice for audio CD mastering and IMHO a ton better than Jam. I actually bought Toast with Jam but returned it due to (1) crossfade limitations and (2) WaveBurner Pro having a far better visual interface.

WB Pro does audio mastering right, but I still need a good tool for data burning; I was going to just get Toast sans Jam, but with this DRM news I may be shopping for an alternative.

Could this be because of the EULA change being unlawful outside the US?

I upgraded Internet Explorer and off-handedly allowed it to upgrade/install Windows Media Player at the same time. The resulting problems stumped me for days... The OS would reboot the instant the DirectCD software was used and would not allow the OS to restart even in safe mode. I recognized the CD-Writer as part of the problem, and was able to reboot after disconnecting the drive. It took some very carefully worded Google searches to discover the culprit.

Both Microsoft and Roxio apparently blame each other for the incompatibility, but at least Roxio offers a easy to manage fix. Windows Media Player is not easy to uninstall, either.....

Cheers,
cfeagans

Anyone know when Toast will be available for MacOSX?

Today. :) (And this is the release, not the "preview".)

Press release: Roxio Provides Free Macintosh OS X Update For Toast 5 Titanium users
"Direct" link: Toast for OS X

Anyone know when Toast will be available for MacOSX?

Today. :) (And this is the release, not the "preview".)

Press release: Roxio Provides Free Macintosh OS X Update For Toast 5 Titanium users
"Direct" link: Toast for OS X

What exactly would be the point of Microsoft's eliminating CD-burning competition? The current strategy of simply licensing technology from someone with expertise such as Roxio makes much more sense.

When I hear complaints about Microsoft's bundling with Win9x and beyond, how come I never hear anyone complaining about the biggest victim of bundling: Trumpet Software's Trumpet Winsock. So had Trumpet been located in the US instead of Australia, would it have had a legitimate antitrust complaint versus Microsoft? Before Windows 95, Trumpet was quite often bundled with ISPs' installation software packages, and it was not considered a big deal that the customer would have to eventually purchase the product. How come no one complains on how "bundling" cost Trumpet Software untold billions in revenues?

This is actually not new; most DVD players can play "Video CD" discs, which are simply CD-R media with MPEG video encoded on it. The lower data density of a CD-R means much less video, but it's still possible. Toast 5 Titanium also offers VCD burning.

Also here is the Roxio Sales Contact ask them how you could support them in this fight. Buy their products, recommend it to your friends and help them.

Roxio has posted a (very brief) response to the lawsuit.

M