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DVD Authoring Under Linux?

phorm asks: "After getting a much-awaited DVD-burner for Christmas, I've yet to use it to actually burn a video DVD. The main reason thus far: I've yet to find decent DVD-authoring software (either for Linux or Windows) that does what I want and doesn't have a high pricetag. So far, Freshmeat projects seem to be extremely alpha/beta quality, with not much support for buttons, animated menus/backgrounds, and all the other things that make commercial DVD's truly beautiful. Does anyone know of any affordable/free DVD authoring software that has these features? Preference to open-source or Linux software, but Windows software will do if there's nothing better." phorm is not alone in this quest, read on for another query on this topic.

To add on to phorm's query, smz420 asks: "A few months ago, I acquired a DVD burner and have had a lot of fun creating discs. While they come out well, they're very much cookie-cutter, due to the software I've been using to create them. There just doesn't seem to be a lot of flexibility built into the consumer level authoring systems out there, and I'd like to take my discs to the next level. Can anyone in Slashdot-land recommend books, links or software packages that could lead me down the road towards 'prosumer' DVD authoring? I'd like to be able to take full control over authoring: design my own button shapes and structures; place text where-ever I want on a menu page; create custom navigation structures, and possibly plant an easter egg or two. So far, I've tried Pinnacle Studio 8, Sonic MyDVD and Nero on Windows 2000. While each had very good aspects to them, all of them fell short of enabling 'next level' DVD authoring. Any advice would be most appreciated."

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  1. You may find this link useful by agm · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:You may find this link useful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Trick out home videos with a fun, featureful menu system that viewers can navigate from a regular DVD player.

      Traditionally, DVD authoring has been an expensive affair. Full-featured professional applications can cost thousands of dollars, while cheaper products, such as Apple's iDVD, have arbitrary restrictions that significantly reduce their usefulness. A new open-source effort, dvdauthor, is bringing the possibility of low-cost, professional-grade DVD authoring to Linux. Although it doesn't yet support all the features of the DVD specification, development is proceeding at a fast pace, and new features are being added with each release. Together with a more established open-source toolkit, mjpegtools, this article explains how to construct a relatively complex DVD application, a photo album, with dvdauthor. We also illustrate the various features that dvdauthor currently supports and how to use open-source tools to construct a DVD-R that can play on almost every DVD player.

      How a DVD Works (Quick Version)

      A DVD is comprised of one or more video title sets (VTSes), which contain video information in the form of MPEG-2 video streams. Each disc can have up to 99 VTSes, and each title set can be subdivided further into as many as 99 chapters, allowing DVD players to jump to a certain point within the video stream. Within each VTS, a DVD can have up to eight different audio tracks and 32 subtitle tracks that the viewer can switch between at will. A menu system can be included within a title set, allowing the viewer to select between the different subtitle and audio tracks. An optional top-level menu, known as the video manager menu (VMGM), is used to navigate between the different title sets. One VTS may contain a feature film and another may contain a documentary on the film, and the VMGM allows viewers to select which one they want to watch.

      The DVD format doesn't eliminate the differences between the two competing broadcasting formats, NTSC (primarily used in America) and PAL (the standard in Europe and Japan). I live in Britain, so the frame information and resolution details used in this article are for a PAL system, but I point out the differences you need to be aware of when they appear and offer appropriate settings for an NTSC disc.

      The DVD specification includes advanced features, such as the concept of region coding, the possibility of viewing different angles of a video stream and simple computations using built-in registers provided by a DVD player. I don't know much about these features, and they aren't discussed in this article. The dvdauthor mailing list is a good source for further information.

      Planning

      Before we rush headlong into creating menus, subtitling and multiplexing, it's a good idea to sketch out the structure of the DVD with paper and pencil. Proprietary DVD tools offer GUI systems for creating this type of structure, but no such tools are available yet for DVD production on Linux. As you'll soon see, the command-line tools have a lot of different options, so having your ideas on paper is preferable to trying to keep everything in your head.

      The DVD application I'm creating is a photo album, using pictures that I took while studying abroad at UNC-Chapel Hill this past year. For simplicity's sake, I have only six photos in each category. On paper, I decide that the main menu (the VMGM unit) should have five buttons, four of which are simple text buttons (one for each different photo category), plus a secret link unlocking extra pictures (secret extra features are a common occurrence in commercial DVDs) and a music track playing in the background. The four regular buttons link to one of four menus, one for each different section. The menu system for each section consists of two menus and an audio track, with selectable preview images of the slideshow, a button to move onto the next set of preview images and two buttons that allow the viewer to watch the complete slideshow or go back to the main menu. To keep things simple, the photo s

    2. Re:You may find this link useful by cs · · Score: 1
      It is flamebait. Or you didn't read things. Frankly, I think both.

      He asks for affordable or free software. Professional DVD authoring stuff is/was quite expensive. Whether that's justifiable is debatable, but for the home-video DVD author expensive authoring software for what's arguably a trivial commodity use is stupid.

      He's asking what his choices are because his survey so far has not turned up anything very swish.

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    3. Re:You may find this link useful by dokuja · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I found this link by Ross Bernheim when I acquired my DVD-RW:
      http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Apps/AV/consumer-video-t o-dvd.html
      Also, I was also looking into LVE as an editor. I haven't tried it yet, but it looks promising.
      http://lvempeg.sourceforge.net

    4. Re:You may find this link useful by mcocke · · Score: 3, Informative

      I found this article interesting and educational, until I went to look at the recommended dvdauthor site. What your article says dvdauthor supports and will support bears little relation to what I found. Was that the package that you were talking about or is there another dvdauthor package?

    5. Re:You may find this link useful by Ian+Pointer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Annoyingly, the dvdauthor team changed to an XML specification the week before the article was published 8-). The dvdauthor site now has some half-decent documentation to describe how the new format works, so it's not too hard to translate my article into the new version.

      (my article was written with dvdauthor 0.5.3 in mind)

  2. iMovie by fredistheking · · Score: 2, Funny

    works great. Oh linux or windows? Nevermind. =)

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    1. Re:iMovie by thelasttemptation · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      To be honest, give up on linux support. The main players don't even support dvd menus so why should they support the creation of them?

      Mplayer's devs have just given up tring to support them, xine I'm not sure about, but last I knew, libdvdmenu wasn't updated for the longest time and that's what xine used.

    2. Re:iMovie by DarKrow · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Before my DVD drive blew out, I used ogle for my DVD playing needs. Ogle supports menus FLAWLESSLY.

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    3. Re:iMovie by Baldorg · · Score: 2, Funny

      That is because we actually care about having good Video and Audio quality, not retarded menus. Menus aren't part of movies, thus they are useless.

    4. Re:iMovie by thinkliberty · · Score: 2, Interesting

      With MOL (mac on linux) you can run imove and idvd it works great and it runs in linux! It doesn't run on X86 though, LOL and you still need to buy a mac to use OS X (legally)

    5. Re:iMovie by rgmoore · · Score: 3, Informative
      xine I'm not sure about, but last I knew, libdvdmenu wasn't updated for the longest time and that's what xine used.

      Perhaps you should actually make an attempt to find out, rather than ignorantly assuming that menu support isn't available. What's actually happened is that the menus have been rolled into the main Xine package, rather than being maintained as a separate package. Menu support under Xine is excellent; random or shuffle menus are not yet supported (many hardware DVD players don't support them, either, so this is hardly a major criticism) but menu support is complete and correct otherwise.

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    6. Re:iMovie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Of course menus aren't part of movies. Although they are part of DVDs, and many people like to get full use of their products.

      Also, how do menus degrade the quality of the movie? If anything they often provide a nice organized structure for configuring how you want to watch the DVD(subtitles, foreign lang., director's commentary, extra scenes, etc.) and an organized way of going through the extra content(deleted scenes, background information, commentary, etc.)

    7. Re:iMovie by thelasttemptation · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      how does one use OS X not on a mac illeagally?

    8. Re:iMovie by The+Analog+Kid · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      You can run OS X on MOL with an AmigaOneG3SE for instance. Since it's not a Apple motherboard(an since the EULA for OS X says you can only use it on Apple computers) you would not by running it legally.

    9. Re:iMovie by mesach · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Jesus people, Is it so damn hard to read the TITLE of the article now?

      He's not looking for Mac software, He's not looking for Windows software, He's not looking for Sun, Be, DOS, or any damn other OS other than LINUX!

      If you dont have anything to contribute to the ASK SLASHDOT that someone is looking for information on, wait until something comes up posted toward your particular OS then comment on it.

      Its like watching a damn "Artistic Porn" movie... I don't want to have any dialog that I have to fast forward through... just give me what I came here for.

      wow, that was a rant and a half... and I'm not really that into Linux(not by choice, but by newbieship)

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    10. Re:iMovie by callipygian-showsyst · · Score: 0, Troll
      Are you stupid? He said Linux. What's the point of shoving your computing orientation down everyone's throat?

      It's people like you who are doing more harm to computing than Microsoft ever has. You're doing that by marginalizing alternative solutions, including your Mac, by giving the impression that people who use alternatives are wacko zealots.

    11. Re:iMovie by orionware · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      ha! iMovie is a fucking toy. You get what you pay for.

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    12. Re:iMovie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      No! Features are bad! BAD!

    13. Re:iMovie by cujo_1111 · · Score: 1

      So you think that having Ridley Scott or James Cameron giving reasons why they did a scene a certain way through a directors commentary is a waste?

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    14. Re:iMovie by thinkliberty · · Score: 1

      You still have to use PPC hardware, and you can buy yellowdog ie http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/ and run osX without buying a mac, amiga have a computer as well... sorry no x86, but it can be done.

    15. Re:iMovie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It doesn't run on X86 though, LOL and you still need to buy a mac to use OS X (legally)"

      Are you a retard? RTFP (read the F#@$ post) dummy.

    16. Re:iMovie by Curtman · · Score: 1

      You don't need a menu to select between audio tracks.

    17. Re:iMovie by andy+landy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That is because we actually care about having good Video and Audio quality, not retarded menus. Menus aren't part of movies, thus they are useless.

      And that's why Linux hasn't and won't catch on in the desktop market for a very long time. This is the same thing that ESR was talking about a week or so back. There seems to be a complete lack of any HCI knowledge in the open-source community. I'm trying to set up a Linux installation where I never need to use the command line, but it's nigh on impossible! This isn't meant as a troll, audio/video quality is most important, but if the average Joe is going to use Linux, he'll want his DVD menus and pretty userland configuration tools. It'd just be nice if more people would make improve the ease-of-use of packages. Anyway, I'm done ranting - back to finding a use for my last mod point.

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    18. Re:iMovie by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 1

      No, what's a waste is having to wade through multiple levels of commercials, FBI warnings, pre-menus, and sub menus to watch a film. At least video tape would let you wind the film to the start of the movie, it didn't force you to see the warnings and previews. I wish that the movie would just start to play when I drop a disc in since the MENU button on my remote can take me to a menu should I ever need it.

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    19. Re:iMovie by byolinux · · Score: 1

      You're completely correct. I use GNU/Linux on my webserver, and the most command line stuff I need to do is chmod and tar -- maybe create .htaccess files.

      I'd love to be able to use it regularly, on a computer I actually work with. Now, everyone tells me Debian is where it's at, distro wise... and now that someone's set it all up for me, I'd agree.

      It's not that I can't set it all up on a command line, it's not particularly difficult to find the information on how to do it, but the question is... why should I have to? My time is pretty valuable, and I'd like to spend more of my time actually creating content and working, rather than installing an operating system...

      Lack of any user knowledge is largely ignorance. Apple publish lots of information, Usability experts publish lots of information...

    20. Re:iMovie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eh? Linux hasn't and won't catch on in the desktop market for a very long time, because it does what the users want?

    21. Re:iMovie by SlamMan · · Score: 1

      No, you can't. OSX isn't runable on the iBriq, despite being PPC hardware.

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    22. Re:iMovie by Enahs · · Score: 1

      Xine supports menus fine, and has for a while. Mplayer is great for those formats other developers won't support due to legal issues, but it's not as great as people think it is. Use xine. Hell, if you're a GNOME user, Totem uses libxine, so you're all set there, too. I have a slower machine so I end up using Xine itself just to have options. Why can't I use a dialog box in Totem to change over to Vidix? Oh, that's right; options are too confusing! :-P

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    23. Re:iMovie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Linux hasn't and won't catch on in the desktop market for a very long time, because it does what the users want? ...as opposed to what the movie distributors want, so they can sell DVDs. All that "commentary" stuff is "value add" so buying a DVD from them is worth $20 vs. buring it off of TV.

  3. sorry for more of the obvious by PanamaCongress · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Apple is really ahead of the game here -- iDVD is very reliable and easy to use, though simplistic. Apple's DVD Studio Pro gives excellent authoring support for more sophisticated authoring. MacOS X is an excellent UNIX alternative.... and you won't ever have to pay SCO licensing fees for OSX... =)

    1. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by MysteriousMystery · · Score: 1

      and you won't ever have to pay SCO licensing fees for OSX The way McBride and company are going on and on filing lawsuits, it wouldn't suprise me if they tried :P

    2. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by Blic · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not trying to flame or troll, but I mean, seriously, if you posted asking about a software solution for your Mac and people started posting about all sorts of Windows and Linux software, wouldn't you be annoyed? Why is it that Mac people feel compelled to do this all the time? =)

      That said, there's lots of packages for the PC like iDVD that work very well. The Nero tools are very well done, but I think have the same limitations as iDVD - very simplistic and template driven for the average user, with a lot of limitations as to what you can do.

      DVD Studio Pro looks very nice, but aside from it not running on his computer, it's $500... =)

      Personally I'm interested in what people say in this thread as I recently got a DVD burner and ran into the same problem. Of the few packages I've looked at, they all work very well, and I can make a nifty DVD with an animated menu with a few mouse clicks and drag-n-drop, but I'd be interested in hearing about tools that provide a lot more power and flexibility, specifically as regards menu creation.

    3. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by gobbo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're right, the grandparent is a nasty gloat.

      However, there's a useful point buried there, in that someone should look hard at iDVD and make a kDVD or such. I'm a DVD Studio Pro user, wonderfully fast & powerful tool, but the other day I decided to try out iDVD, and without a manual, in under 20 minutes I had a very unique and nice looking project burning. A simple project, that's why I wanted to use the 'free-as-in-loss-leader' stuff, but the main menu had a mixture of looping video buttons and audio, with slick fonts and layout. It was effortless, drag, drop, double click, select popups, all obvious from the interface.

      I think that a good start for a Linux project would be to emulate iDVD, not Studio Pro. 'Q' DVD-Author is just a long ways off.

      One thing that Apple has going for it in this respect is the flexibility of Quicktime, and a great team of designers to lay out templates. Getting the equivalent going in Linux will be tough.

    4. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by Cthefuture · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Will iDVD work with firewire DVD burners? It says you must have an Apple SuperDrive (pffft).

      Why does iDVD require a 733 Mhz G4? Will it work on my ~400 Mhz G3?

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    5. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by loginx · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I will buy a mac as soon as they start making mouses with a left and right button, and a scrollwheel.

      I will pay the price to get myself a nice mac as soon as they do this.

      Until then, it's not an alternative to anything as far as I'm concerned.

    6. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by grantls · · Score: 0

      By "they" I assume you mean Apple. Even though Apple doesn't make a mouse with multiple buttons, almost any USB mouse will work in OS X...I'm typing this on my iBook which has an external Logitech mouse plugged in (2 buttons + scroll wheel/button). And yes, the extra buttons do useful things (I have them controling Expose and working like right-clicking in Windows).

    7. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by qkslvr · · Score: 0

      You can get *exactly* that from macally. http://www.macally.com/spec/usb/input_device/mice. html It's wireless to boot, for $49. I expect your next post to be from your new mac. Don't make statements you're not ready to stand behind.

    8. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You anti-mac people crack me up. You won't buy a computer because it doesn't come with a 10 dollar add-on. Nice. Stay in your box.

      Just do what I did. Turn your lame Windows box into a nice Linux fileserver, take the l33ty 2 button+scroll wheel USB mouse off of it and plug it into your brand spankin new Mac. It just works. Period.

    9. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by mrwonton · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Well, you can use third party mice with Macs, including ones with multiple buttons. You're not limited to just the one button ones anymore.

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    10. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      Just buy a fucking scroll wheel mouse you dumb ass. Jesus... What's wrong with you people?

    11. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by gstoddart · · Score: 1
      Why is it that Mac people feel compelled to do this all the time? =)

      I know it sounds smug and all, but having known people who have had A/V models of Macs for the last decade or so, they've just come to expect it. Macs and multimedia just go.


      On that reason alone I'm thinking of adding an iMac to my home network. (That and the unic command line =)

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    12. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Funny
      (That and the unic command line =)

      Complete with ispell. ;-P

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    13. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by Jaysyn · · Score: 1

      Whatever. It's not like you keep the freaking POS mice that come with a Dell or HP anyhow. They're generally crap. I've got a 4 button Logitech "oldschool" wheelmouse on my main PC (that I've had for close to 5 years & it still works great) & my Mom has a Logitech 6 button Wireless Optical mouse on her iMac. I still can't believe how *un*laggy it was testing the UT2004 Demo on it.

      Jaysyn

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    14. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by loginx · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Thanks.
      I am actually planning on acquiring a mac anyway, but this is something that was really bothering me.

      I knew some people who had macs and they were all using the standard Apple mouse so I didn't think it was even possible to use another mouse.

      I'll still need a little time before acquiring a mac though, but it's an investment I will make.

    15. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by JudgeFurious · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Man, seriously I'm not trying to flame or troll either (someone will not take me at my word though, just watch) but IMO (and I understand that it's strictly my opinion) The Mac just has so much other stuff licked that the urge to say "Try a Mac" in some fashion is tough to resist. Time and again I see Windows (and Linux sometimes these days) users wanting to do something that the Mac "just does" with the software it showed up on my doorstep with.

      Having said that though I've begun making a concerted effort to not necessarily throw out the "If you had a Mac you could...." answer first. If I have an answer for a question then I provide it before going "zealot" on others.

      In general I've found that people get hacked over this so I figure that among a bunch of people who are annoyed because I'm suggesting a completely different platform/OS/approach there will be very few converts.

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    16. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 2, Insightful


      Not trying to flame or troll, but I mean, seriously, if you posted asking about a software solution for your Mac and people started posting about all sorts of Windows and Linux software, wouldn't you be annoyed? Why is it that Mac people feel compelled to do this all the time? =)

      Because we've been on the other side of the stick so often. Heres an example Ask Slashdot: "I'm a Mac user, what games do you recommend? I especially like MMORPG and First Person Shooters. Thanks!" How many responses would we get that would start like "well, it doesn't run on a Mac, but I sure enjoyed playing foo".

      So, when you ask about how to pound in a nail with a screwdriver, we just want to leap up and say "See! My computing choice really is defensible!" That's why. To answer your question.

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    17. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by Papa+Romeo · · Score: 1

      I believe Apple has added support for external drives to iDVD. I use DVD SP with an external FW burner with no problems.

    18. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by veddermatic · · Score: 1

      My three button mouse with scroll wheel seems to work just fine you ignorant slut.

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    19. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by Papa+Romeo · · Score: 1

      Maybe I spoke too soon. Looking at the iDVD tutorials all they talk about is SuperDrive. Sorry.

    20. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not trying to flame or troll, but I mean, seriously, if you posted asking about a software solution for your Mac and people started posting about all sorts of Windows and Linux software, wouldn't you be annoyed?

      You shouldn't be. The person asking the question isn't the only one reading the responses - that information could be useful to other people.

    21. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by gabebear · · Score: 1

      Yes, but not all Drives work with iDVD/iMovie, check out Mac Drive compatability Database. I have the Panasonic DVR-106D DVD+-RW drive in a external USB/Firewire enclosure I bought for $200 about 6 months ago, works great on my iMac and Linux boxen, I don't have anything that runs Windows, but I bet it would work there to.

    22. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it that Mac people feel compelled to do this all the time?

      Because it is a well known fact that most Mac users are homosexuals, and most homosexuals are compelled to convert everyone to their deviant lifestyle. Who else would want to use such inferior hardware like Macs or navigate a buggy interface for an obsolete filesystem such as OSX but the most morally depraved individuals featured in the back of gay porn magazines and bath housen.

    23. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by gabebear · · Score: 1

      Not really, I've tried running iDVD on my G3 400Mhz, I couldn't get it installed. It is a reallly nice program though, worth getting a new Mac for.

    24. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by Blic · · Score: 1

      Well, I'd refrain from posting in a thread like that, even though I like ribbing my Mac friends when they tell me about a new game and I say, "Ooh, I had fun playing that... two years ago." =)

      But that's just friendly trash talking. I have a PowerBook here on my desk next to my PC - I just don't game much on it. =)

      That said, there's literally 10-20 or more DVD authoring packages available for Windows. I can't speak as well for Linux. So it wasn't really a "what's the best platform for DVD authoring" post.

      Personally I'd rather not download and try out all those different packages to try them out, and reviews don't always tell you everything you want to know. I'm interested in hearing other people's opinions. Perhaps on the Mac the choice is easy - iDVD or DVD Studio Pro - but it's not quite as simple on Windows.

      As for what tools are better or easier to use, that gets into the realm of opinion which always takes on a quasi-religious overtones as far as platforms are concerned, so I'm not gonna touch that. =)

      But I'd wager in terms of features, whatever DVD tools can do on a Mac they can do on Windows - it's just a question of finding the right one.

      Both the Mac and Windows have come a long way in the past few years, and Windows isn't the multimedia joke it was compared to the Mac any more.

      And coming from someone that *loathed* OS9 and its predecessors, I like OS X a lot - but my DVD burner is in my PC. =)

    25. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by ryanw · · Score: 1
      But I'd wager in terms of features, whatever DVD tools can do on a Mac they can do on Windows - it's just a question of finding the right one.
      But see, that's where you're wrong. On PC they do NOT have ONE program or common interface that does it all like there is on the mac. It's called iLife. iLife is a suite of tools (iDVD/iMovie/iPhoto/iTunes) where they all work together. All the same interface, and all work together. You can be in iDVD and drag iMovie projects or iPhoto pictures directly into the DVD menus and such. You will NOT find anything even close to iLife on PC. You'd have to use about 6 different applications with all completely different purposes and different interfaces to come close to what we're used to on the mac.

      Mac users are so passionate about converting everyone to Mac because probably at least 90% of us have been PC or *nix users since we were 8 years old (now being 30 years old, thats says something I guess). I have LIVED through the PC woes. I have lived through the Linux woes. I have lived through helping my friends clean their machines off viruses or staying up all night rebuilding their PC for the 11th time. Been there done that.

    26. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by piovere · · Score: 1

      actually, if I asked about mac software I'd love to see linux solutions. Usually just a quick recompile away...

      But to respond to the original question, try TMPG. It's not free, and it doesn't do everything that the really complicated programs do, but I've had good luck with it. It's been more than competent at switching video types around for me and reencoding, and the themes/buttons that it comes with can be switched around.

      It certainly wipes the floor with SonicMyDVD, which came bundeled with my burner.

      PS- I run all these on my PC. No need to call me a mac troll

    27. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by Blic · · Score: 1

      Ignoring the obvious - for the most part you don't have any choice but to use those apps without shelling out major $$$ - I personally don't like them that much.

      Don't get me wrong, I think Apple has done a great job with them - they're well made pieces of software and integrate better than anything available in the Windows (or Linux) world. There's a big advantage to being a integrated software/hardware developer.

      That said, I may like to do things differently, maybe I don't want to be foreced to do things a certain way, and perhaps the iLife way doesn't work for me.

      This is what always bugs me when talking with Mac people - not you specifically, hehe, mostly my co-workers - I can respect that they prefer the Mac and more power to them - but they can't respect that I don't and they don't understand why I don't think the Mac is the greatest thing since sliced bread... =)

    28. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by Endive4Ever · · Score: 1

      The temptation to say 'get an iLife, then' is very compelling, but I won't do it.

      That sounds like a rather closed 'busy box' solution. Apple is very good at integrating a closed-off world for their customers to live in. They've been doing it for years. As somebody else said in the thread, if you don't choose to use the Apple built-ins you are very limited on the Mac.

      But this is drifting off topic, and I came into this discussion hoping for some real info on DVD and VCD (more my level of participation, being I am so cheap) authoring stuff.

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    29. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't believe that it works on G3's at all. A G4 400 would be acceptable, but barely. As for the Superdrive issue, the new iDVD 4 can make disc images suitable for burning in toast or some other application. Hope this helps.

    30. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by nartz · · Score: 0, Troll

      DVD Studio Pro looks very nice, but aside from it not running on his computer, it's $500...

      I am appalled. Where has our resourcefulness gone? Out the window I assume. Whatever happened to Kazaa? WinMX? Gnutella? and my favorite...BitTorrent. Money doesn't seem an issue anymore.

    31. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by EtherBoo · · Score: 1
      Actually, I disagree, there are plenty of times when I as a PC user have to put up with anyone who has a Mac bragging about how great for graphics they are, and design and such. It almost sounds like a broken record sometimes. So then when the person who wont shut up about how great his system is for photoshop, and how much faster it is then mine turns to me and says something like "Wow, ET looks really nice, where can I get a copy?" Its extremely hard not to turn around and say "On a Windows or Linux box, why don't you go render something in Final Cut Pro or Photoshop and let me play some video games?"

      Now I'll admit I've been on the "Shut up and get a PC" side of things, but I do believe Macs serve their purpose. I just think that some people don't realize that Macs are for design, Windows and/or Linux machines for office and, well, everything else. Lets be honest, Macs can do the things that a Windows box can do, but not as good as a Windows box can, and a Windows box can do what Macs can do, just not as good. If we stop bickering about which is better, and realize that they are different and both serve their purposes, then it will save me a headache...so shut up ;-).

      On to the question...
      Honestly, you're going to have to pay for expesive software if you want to do the things your talking about. You really do get what you pay for. If you really don't want to pay, I'm sure you can get a copy with a key on Usenet or IRC. That IMHO is not the best way to go, but, it IS free and you will get awesome software. Personally, I'm fine with any DVD I make looking like it came from a pr0n studio, but thats just me :-D.

    32. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm. Your mom?

    33. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by fr0dicus · · Score: 1
      Not trying to flame or troll, but I mean, seriously, if you posted asking about a software solution for your Mac and people started posting about all sorts of Windows and Linux software, wouldn't you be annoyed?

      Possibly, but because right up until they want to do something creative like this, which is practically the Mac's raison d'etre, people won't even consider a Mac, and this is where we get our own back and make them jealous :-)
    34. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by TrancePhreak · · Score: 1

      What about uspell? ;D

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    35. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by SlamMan · · Score: 1

      I'm confused. How is spending $50 for their entire consume suit shelling out major $$$ (ignoring the fact that it comes with new computers)?

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    36. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by Zathrus · · Score: 1

      I believe the point is that if iLife doesn't meet your needs you are then forced to shell out some major $$$ to get something else that does the same thing, but better/more flexibly.

      There's simply a dearth of software for the Mac, and it causes some really unusual supply-demand pricing. Sure, OS-X comes with a boatload of software, much of it better than the tools that come with XP, but once you hit the wall on that software there's a much higher price point for the next level up. In Windows there's at least a middle ground between the free or inexpensive stuff and the professional (and highly expensive, just as with Mac) stuff. The small userbase and higher quality builtins of Macs doesn't make writing the mid-level software viable.

    37. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by Hittis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If I had mod-points I would mod the parent down...

      In a lot of countries it is illegal to download unlicensed software. In a few countries it is legal (so far) to download and use pirated software but not to distribute. Anyhow.... Many companies use the old model of reimbursement (did I use that correctly?).

      If a producer/company/programmer wants to charge money for their product that is their right!

      What you are saying is analogous to breaking and entering to get a computer becuse it is expensive.... If somebody gives away computer then fine but I prefer to buy the things that are for sale and not stealing them.

      I love the way that Linux/*BSD et al is changing the playing field but I wouldn't go advocating getting software without following the software owners wishes.

      Just my 2 cents worth (Hey... You get what you pay for and I haven't gotten anything to write this :)

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    38. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by SharkPork · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      The reason they keep pushing the mac thing is to reaffirm to themselves that they didn't make a bad investment on overpriced hardware. Nobody likes to be embarrassed alone. I support both mac and windows boxen, and truthfully, in my experience to date, the x86 PC's are FAR superior to anything that macintosh has been able to provide. However, since this actually has nothing to with the actual topic of the post.. This is one of the reasons I haven't got a dvd burner yet, because the (affordable) software hasn't caught up to the hardware yet.

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    39. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by bkr1_2k · · Score: 1

      Someone please mod the parent up. Insightful and finally a level-headed response on /. A true rarity.

      bkr

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    40. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by joshmccormack · · Score: 1

      Nothing against Apple, but I don't think it's ahead of the game at all in this case. The poster said

      "...I've yet to find decent DVD-authoring software (either for Linux or Windows) that does what I want and doesn't have a high pricetag."

      As good as the Apple DVD burning tools might be combined with a Mac that can support them they're anything but cheap. I think we're actually talking about a difference of a couple thousand dollars at least.

    41. Re:sorry for more of the obvious by EtherBoo · · Score: 1

      Thank you, I appreciate the compliment, but this story is old news, so it probably won't get modded up anytime soon.

  4. Roxio Easy Media Creator 7 by wo1verin3 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm pretty happy with this, although it was a bit on the pricey side (59.99 after 20 dollar rebate at best buy). the dvd builder app allowed me to add images or video clips (quicktime, mpeg1/2, etc) to my project, has a selection of 10+ themes I can use, you can choose your own background, button style from pre-defined themes, move the buttons anywhere you want on the main page, resize the buttons, create chapter menus by defining chapter points. When I created a longer movie, the auto detect scene automatically created chapter points at scene changes which was pretty sweet...

    It's just damn cool :)

    1. Re:Roxio Easy Media Creator 7 by AresTheImpaler · · Score: 4, Informative

      you might want to see the gentoo forum (specially the "Documentation, Tips & Tricks" part.. of interest: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=117709 http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=141710 http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=71032

    2. Re:Roxio Easy Media Creator 7 by HisMother · · Score: 3, Funny
      > although it was a bit on the pricey side (59.99 after 20 dollar rebate at best buy)

      $60 is pricey? Jesus, man, no wonder so many IT jobs are being offshored if that's too much to pay for software.

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    3. Re:Roxio Easy Media Creator 7 by Up'emInIrons · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That sounds a lot like the Rioxio Easy Media Creator 6 I have... which is adequate for a DVD n00b, but the OP was asking about the next level. Unless there is some phenominal improvements in version 7 over v6, which there apparently isn't, then there's no way I'd recommend it.

    4. Re:Roxio Easy Media Creator 7 by wo1verin3 · · Score: 4, Informative

      easy cd 6 stuck you to 6 items on a main menu and you couldn't move the items around.

      Now you can put as many as you want, move them anyway, resize them. That was a big seller for me.

      Also, you can now attach as many music files as you want to slides, add a bajillion different transitions, add special effects (like so the movie looks like it's playing in a camcorder view finder) or other cool things. you can add great text effect to it.. it really is leaps and bounds over verison 6. i also like the export to divx they now support..

    5. Re:Roxio Easy Media Creator 7 by wo1verin3 · · Score: 1

      well for someone asking for something free, 60 dollars can seem pricey, especially if you only need it for one or two dvds.. but it was way cooler then 6 which I had a lot of problems with, including out of sync audio/video which isn't happening for me anymore...

    6. Re:Roxio Easy Media Creator 7 by dasmegabyte · · Score: 1

      Either way, this is no solution for a guy asking for "prosumer" features. I wouldn't be surprised to find that this was the "cookie cutter" software he was talking about...

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    7. Re:Roxio Easy Media Creator 7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sigh. Is there anyone who actually performs comparison shopping. (other than looking at the price on a retail store such as Best Buy?

      I hate to refer to Amazon.com [only], but as a for instance:

      List Price: $99.99
      Price: $84.99
      You Save: $15.00 (15%)
      Special Offers: $40.00
      Price After Special Offers: $44.99
      The "After special Offers" are rebates as an upgrade ($20) and Roxio ($20)
      If $60 is tough, $45 should make you wet your pants.

    8. Re:Roxio Easy Media Creator 7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Roxio? Oh you are just asking for trouble. I have never seen one label consistently produce such unusable buggy shit - even on the Mac where their stuff is actually popular.

    9. Re:Roxio Easy Media Creator 7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd rather make DVDs with http://zombo.com/ or http://goatse.cx/ than a Roxio product. Just terrible terrible software.

    10. Re:Roxio Easy Media Creator 7 by Jaysyn · · Score: 1

      I was fortunate enough to get this software with my burner, and it works great. I was a little leary having had bad luck with Roxio products before, but this one has worked just as expected.

      Jaysyn

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    11. Re:Roxio Easy Media Creator 7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how the heck is Toast buggy? Its the best MAC app out there?!

    12. Re:Roxio Easy Media Creator 7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Please use the name Jesus only when referring to the precious Son of God. Read the 3rd commandment. Exodus 20:7 "You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain."

    13. Re:Roxio Easy Media Creator 7 by Adrian+De+Leon · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Feeding the troll....

      Huh? So how do you want me to call my friends whose name is "Jesus"? The guy formerly known as Jesus?

      By the way, don't forget Lev. 25:44, Exodus 35:2 or hundreds of examples in the Bible about how fair, just and forgiving your god is.

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    14. Re:Roxio Easy Media Creator 7 by wo1verin3 · · Score: 1

      you probably got version 6 with your burner, version 7 is new and doesn't come with burners yet.

    15. Re:Roxio Easy Media Creator 7 by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 1

      $59.99 is pricey for a plastic coaster.

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    16. Re:Roxio Easy Media Creator 7 by Mr+Guy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Don't bother. He's misunderstanding anyway. That verse reads equivalently as Leviticus 19:12, Deuteronomy 6:13, and Deuteronomy 10:20 all of which are referring to taking oaths on the name of the Lord. In otherwords, God is telling the Israelites if you claim to be doing something in the name of the Lord, God will hold you to it and punish you for failure. Verse Links

      It's a sobering promise, and it's why we used to swear on the Bible in courts, even if it's a practise being done away with now.

    17. Re:Roxio Easy Media Creator 7 by thpht · · Score: 2, Informative

      I peed myself.
      http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?desc ription=32-110-210&depa=6
      Price: $12.00

    18. Re:Roxio Easy Media Creator 7 by Fjord · · Score: 1

      That's version 6, not 7

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  5. I'd suggest DVDShrink by Operating+Thetan · · Score: 2, Redundant

    Grab DVD Shrink while you can. BTW, I love DVD Shrink. The latest version will burn on its own if you have Nero installed, so you don't even have to switch apps. The drag-and-drop reauthoring lets you cut out DVD extras so you can often fit just the movie on a 4.7GB DVD*R without recompression (but it has adjustable recompression built in, too). However, I don't believe the author is adding any new features--just bugfixes. (Wait, aren't "features" and "bugs" interchangeable words? Maybe there's hope yet! ;-) )

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    1. Re:I'd suggest DVDShrink by donbrock · · Score: 1

      I agree that DVDShrink & Nero are a great combination but...sigh...they're both Windows applications.

    2. Re:I'd suggest DVDShrink by jonconley · · Score: 4, Informative

      He is looking for a re-authoring tool. AFAIK, DVDShrink/DVDXCopy work well for making "backups" for your DVDs, however that type of software is very limited in the authoring department. The original question refers to him using other software, yet it was very limited in its authoring features also.

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    3. Re:I'd suggest DVDShrink by mrbass · · Score: 1

      dvdshrink linux version
      ok not exactly a linux version but just download dvdshrink w98lite 3.1.7 and voila ..it works under wine within linux. This just has the .exe which has no installer and also it's tied to some system dlls.

  6. It's Quite Easy... by MrBiiggy · · Score: 0, Troll

    Buy a mac, use iDVD.

    1. Re:It's Quite Easy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, it's time for the Mac iDiots to stop masturbating all over the forum. It's not funny anymore. Actually it wasn't funny to begin with.

  7. Damn. I should've phrased my question better- by purduephotog · · Score: 2, Insightful

    - ask about any subject X and include 'Linux' and it'll get your answers posted to slashdot.

    Frankly the best I've seen is for the Macintosh, which is unfortunate due to my high investment in PC hardware.

    I currently make wedding 'dvds' from photographs using Studio 8.1 and, recently, have been experimenting making AVIs and converting them to MPGs. Just doesn't work well tho.

  8. "Prosumer" by Hatta · · Score: 4, Funny

    Prosumer? Come on now.

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    1. Re:"Prosumer" by Quarters · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It's actually a valid and recognized term for video production equipment.

      It's the level of equipment that, say, most wedding video producers use.

    2. Re:"Prosumer" by Eric+Smith · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's a term Sony invented when their marketing department was trying to figure out how to get customers to pay $3000 for an ED-Beta VCR. They couldn't call it pro, so they came up with an intermediate level.

    3. Re:"Prosumer" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're half right. Sony did invent the term, but long before the ED Betamax. They used it in conjunction with products like their Profeel TV (a separate monitor and tuner) and others.

    4. Re:"Prosumer" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're half wrong. They stole it from Alvin Toffler

    5. Re:"Prosumer" by sulli · · Score: 1
      As for me, I'm anti-sumer.

      Pro-babylon.

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    6. Re:"Prosumer" by Eric+Smith · · Score: 1

      I can't find any usage of the term "Prosumer" predating the 1986 announcement of ED Beta. When did they introduce Profeel? Did they actually use the term "Prosumer" in marketing literature or press releases?

    7. Re:"Prosumer" by Eric+Smith · · Score: 1

      You're completely wrong, since Alvin Toffler used "prosumer" to mean something entirely different than Sony did. Toffler was combining "producer" with "consumer", referring to the processes of production and consumption. Sony was combining "professional" with "consumer", referring to grades of equipment without regard to whether the equipment was used for production or consumption.

    8. Re:"Prosumer" by glamslam · · Score: 1

      From: Turns of Phrase

      This word is becoming fairly common but can be confusing, as it has two meanings. It was coined in 1980 by the futurist Alvin Toffler--in his book The Third Wave--as a blend of producer and consumer. He used it to describe a possible future type of consumer who would become involved in the design and manufacture of products, so they could be made to individual specification. He argued that we would then no longer be a passive market upon which industry dumped consumer goods but a part of the creative process. Derrick de Kerckhove has called this mass customisation, in which everybody is in effect a member of a niche market, something Internet e-commerce is encouraging through cutting out the middleman between maker and buyer. This sense of prosumer has been taken up by some marketing people, but remains limited in its application.

      The second usage describes a purchaser of technical equipment who wants to obtain goods of a better quality than consumer items, but can't afford professional items (older terms for goods of this intermediate quality are semi-professional and industrial quality). Here, the word is a blend of professional and consumer. Prosumers of this sort are famed for their enthusiasm for new products and their tolerance of flaws and, from the marketing point of view, have much in common with early adopters. This usage is common among those selling video equipment, digital cameras, and similar goods (and the examples below illustrate this sense). Some manufacturers treat the SOHO (Small Office, Home Office) market as being much the same thing.

  9. This thread required under the DMCA... by LostCluster · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Just what do our friends at the DVD CCA have to say about the "DVD Authoring" standard? Is this something home users who don't have thousands and thousands to spend will ever be able to do legally?

    1. Re:This thread required under the DMCA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why iDVD is free and legal, right?

      Thank you for trolling; please drive through.

    2. Re:This thread required under the DMCA... by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 4, Informative

      CCA (and, by implication CSS), have NOTHING to do with being able to author DVDs at home -- or even doing professional authoring...

      --UNLESS you want to scramble content so it can't be copied without using DeCSS.

      I really don't see how the question even applies to home DVD authoring. I (and my friends) who do video production have been producing professionally authored DVDs for several years with no thought to DVD CCA at all.

      And, while I'm here, in regards to software -- you're either going to have to pay >$400 for DVD authoring software on Windows, AND >$600 for true video editing software on Windows, as well, or go for a Mac.

      It just doesn't exist yet in the FOSS world, or in the Linux world. While there are some capture and simple editing programs, there is nothing professional for either video editing or DVD authoring. The closest is Main Actor, put out by Main Concept, which is a pretty good editing program available for Linux or Windows. It's about $250.

    3. Re:This thread required under the DMCA... by MrResistor · · Score: 1

      Just what do our friends at the DVD CCA have to say about the "DVD Authoring" standard?

      A whole lotta "nothin" as long as you aren't using CSS/region coding. Without that useless crap, it's basically just MPEG2 on a high capacity disc.

      Is this something home users who don't have thousands and thousands to spend will ever be able to do legally?

      Yes, right now. Even pro solutions are not so many thousands these days, unless you're talking serious mass-production. That's a little out of the scope of "authoring", though.

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    4. Re:This thread required under the DMCA... by Sleuth · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, Main Actor 5 isn't released yet, so you'll need to use an older version to render video without a trial version (which stamps a logo on rendered images, as I understand it.)

      Cinelerra seems to be the best Linux editor out there at the moment, but it's got some stability issues and needs to be built from source by someone with experience, unless you have one of few systems packages are available for.

    5. Re:This thread required under the DMCA... by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 1

      I know version 5 (Main Actor) is available for Windows. Last I checked, they said the Linux version would be out soon. If it isn't out yet, that would concern me.

    6. Re:This thread required under the DMCA... by vranash · · Score: 1

      Actually just FYI Cinelerra installed outofthebox for me just a coupla days ago. Using gcc 3.3.2 with 1.1.9, I believe it had none of the compile issues I've had with previous versions (haven't compiled it for a coupla weeks and I've been rather busy with other stuff since)

      Anyways, it's worth at least trying to get compiled again, now I just need to make some video clips, see how well it works, and decide if it warrants getting a Mini-DV camera to use with it :)

    7. Re:This thread required under the DMCA... by mslinux · · Score: 2, Informative

      It just doesn't exist yet in the FOSS world, or in the Linux world.>br>

      That's not true. K3B burns DVDs.

    8. Re:This thread required under the DMCA... by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      DVD Authoring != DVD Burning

      There is a huge difference. Look at your DVD of The Matrix and all the cool menu formats and extra features, like the ability to listen to the commentary. These are things that are needed for a good DVD authoring program.

      K3B is a good program (I use it a lot), but to say that it helps for DVD authoring is like someone with a pencil saying he can print and publish a book.

    9. Re:This thread required under the DMCA... by mikrus · · Score: 1

      CSS has nothing to do with copy protection. It has everything to do with playback protection. You can copy any CSS encoded DVD and it will play just as well as the original. Provided you have a certified player that can handle CSS encoded streams.

    10. Re:This thread required under the DMCA... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      Just curious...what kind of hardware you running it on? Single box? How's the performance/response?

      C

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    11. Re:This thread required under the DMCA... by vranash · · Score: 1

      C3 Nehemiah Core Epia, and a P4 2.6 ghz laptop, haven't gotten too much of a chance to play with it, beyond some cut and paste of mpegs yet due to lack of a Mini-DV cam, which I've now remedied, get back to ya in a few days when I've been able to thoroughly beat on it.

  10. .... and you won't ever have to pay SCO licensing by syousef · · Score: 1

    Oh yeah? For how long?

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  11. Ask your mac friend by tedshultz · · Score: 4, Informative

    Author the DVD on your mac friend's computer, and then duplicate it on your own ;) IDVD and Imovie come free with Macs, and have a nice simplicity/power trade off. I know this is not useful for the person who posted, but is maybe something you want to think about when buying a new computer (plus, you know, chicks dig the mac).

    1. Re:Ask your mac friend by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Author the DVD on your mac friend's computer"

      Man I wish I had a few more friends so the odds of finding one with a Mac would go up.

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  12. Try DVD-Lab by pcidevel · · Score: 5, Informative

    I recommend checking out www.vcdhelp.com. They have tons of links and guides and howtos on various tools. Here is a link to their authoring page.

    I use DVDLab to author dvd's myself, which you can find here. It works in most cases, but sometimes I use ifoedit to do really advanced things. However, Ifoedit is not for the feint of heart.

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    1. Re:Try DVD-Lab by Groove+Holmes · · Score: 1

      Since you mentioned MediaChance - I've been using their image editing software PhotoBrush for a long time and have been very happy with it. Easy to use and a ton of useful tools. It isn't entirely off topic - you need something to make those button and menu images :)

    2. Re:Try DVD-Lab by Frodrick · · Score: 1
      MediaChance also sell "DVD Menu Studio" which can be used to design very professional-looking menus. These can then be imported into DVD-Lab for final composition/authoring.

      Another thing about DVD-Lab: It can import SVCD files and after transcoding the audio stream from 44100 to 48000 sampling rate, one can make a non-standard DVD without recoding the video.

      DVD-Lab is one of the few programs that is actually worth paying for.

    3. Re:Try DVD-Lab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I third this one. It's not the most feature-filled program out there, but it does do a good job and is easy to pickup and use.

      P.S. Ignore these other people on here who think they're too good to help you out and decide a smart-ass answer is the best one. The Slashdot community is here to help out in situations like this, not cut you down where you stand...

  13. Licensing problems by RenHoek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I believe the problem with DVD authoring is, that to write a decent program for it, you'll have to pay like $50.000 to get the specs.

    Otherwise you'll have to painstakingly reverse the entire format. There is already great progress with this I presume since there are some nice open source programs.

    But no professional grade software under Linux as far as I know..

    1. Re:Licensing problems by CAlworth1 · · Score: 1

      I have found myself very suprised that there exist no programs for linux that will author. I have a mac (yes, i know, hes looking for linux/win stuff) and I use Sizzle as iDVD cannot burn to DVD+R's, many of which I got for free. It doesn't work perfectly, but it can author and build menus.

      As I understand it (you chould check out the site and email the author), this is built off of OSS such as somthing called dvdauthor - I have to believe that this has a front end for it in linux, or that it would not be hard to make...

  14. Unfortunately by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    And I'm sure the anti-Apple mods will say this is overrated, flamebait, or whatnot, but there is a *reason* Apple's been spending big bucks on DVD production software.

    $1,100 eMac and you get iDVD4, the *best* DVD software I have ever seen. For an additional $300, you can get DVD Studio Pro, which offers *everything* in DVD production (literally, since it can make professional level DVDs!)

    Unfortunately those solutions *require* a Mac.

    But if you want to make the best DVDs, *hands down*, and simply, you need a Mac.

    1. Re:Unfortunately by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      True, and that's good info for people who haven't invested any money yet and are looking to start fresh with DVD authoring. I'm sure I'd think hard about a Mac if that was my goal...

      But if the question is "I want to do better authoring under Linux, or Windows if I have to" then "get a Mac" is a piss poor answer to the question, and only serves annoy the person asking the question. As such, it probably DESERVES to be modded down, especially when its the 4th or 5th such answer given.

    2. Re:Unfortunately by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there is a reason you will get modded down,

      because the question wastn "convince me to get a mac for dvd authoring"

      it was explicity, i want to use linux.

      RTFS (summary)

      its not antimac, its that you are just reallly really pro mac, when all you have is a hammer .......

    3. Re:Unfortunately by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Adobe Encore is going to change that one, not quite as simple as DVD Studio Pro on Mac I don't think though I've never used that one. But it offers all the power you could imagine. You can get it bundled with Adobe Premiere Pro, and Adobe Audtion (formerly CoolEdit Pro), with a nice firewire card that includes analog to DV bridging for input and output for about $500. Beat that MAC people :P

    4. Re:Unfortunately by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I'm sure the anti-Apple mods will say this is overrated, flamebait, or whatnot

      The word you're looking for is "offtopic" (or perhaps "redundant" at this point). You don't have to be anti-Apple to pick up on that.

    5. Re:Unfortunately by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *Oh* *my* *god*

    6. Re:Unfortunately by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless you actually want to get work done (instead of planting some kind of platform religion flag), and are looking at packages that are at least the cost of eMac + DVD Studio Pro. Which you would be, if you wanted something of DVD Studio's quality on Windows.

      And hey, as you can see from the rest of the discussion, authoring under Linux is virtually a lost cause unless you have a lot of time and discs to waste learning how to use the average Linux program - also know as The Most Cryptic Software Ever Made.

      I hear there's a lot of XBox2 developers getting a refresher course in how pointless platform religion is. Perhaps you should join them.

    7. Re:Unfortunately by FattMattP · · Score: 1
      since it can make professional level DVDs!
      Does that include the encryption so that I can protect my intellectual property like the big studios?
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    8. Re:Unfortunately by quasipunk+guy · · Score: 1

      Uh, isn't it pretty obvious that we already did?

      I mean, that software package is directly aimed at the market that Apple owns with FCP/FCE and DVDSP.

    9. Re:Unfortunately by Gilmoure · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm a Mac tech and just recommended to a friend to get a PC laptop. Why? He needs Auto-CAD. I've gone round and round with Virtual PC/Auto-CAD and various Mac CAD programs and nothing works quite right. Regardless of what I, or my friend, like, you have to go with the right tool for the job. Yeah, maybe in a few years, Auto-CAD will come out with a Mac version but I won't hold my breath on that.

      Looks like the same goes for DVD production. If you are planning on making money via DVD production, you have to get the right tool for the job. Holding out for something that'll run on your current rig doesn't always work.

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    10. Re:Unfortunately by warpmoon · · Score: 2, Informative

      Taken from Apple's site:

      Advanced protection features in DVD Studio Pro 2 include analog and digital copyright management with Macrovision (Type 1, 2 and 3) and CSS for use with your project. You can also set region coding to restrict playback to specific countries.

    11. Re:Unfortunately by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 1

      Hmm....while I have no need to do anything like this this is defintely a cool thing in my opinion. Even if CSS is weak encryption! :)

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    12. Re:Unfortunately by catenos · · Score: 1
      Unless you actually want to get work done [...], and are looking at packages that are at least the cost of eMac + DVD Studio Pro. Which you would be, if you wanted something of DVD Studio's quality on Windows.

      I am not sure if I understand you correctly, but considering the cost you suggest, do you imply that there is no usuable DVD authoring software outside of the professional market? [1]

      authoring under Linux is virtually a lost cause unless you have a lot of [...] discs to waste learning how to use

      Why are DVD-/+RW not usuable for tests during DVD authoring?



      [1] And yes, in this context I count Macs to the professionial market, for they are usually used for professional or fan reasons only. For the average user they are simply too expensive.

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    13. Re:Unfortunately by ndpatel · · Score: 1

      it's funny because parent references the $1,100 eMac, which comes with a DVD-R/RW and iDVD, which we're all getting stupid over as the best thing for the average user.

      but clearly, that $1,100 system is "simply too expensive" for the average user.

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    14. Re:Unfortunately by catenos · · Score: 1

      but clearly, that $1,100 system is "simply too expensive" for the average user.

      Hm. Here in Europe the eMac goes for EUR 1199,00[1] (that's about USD 1480) and I can buy a PC + Monitor + Software[2] with about the same specs for about 2/3 of the price here. If I don't go for the specs but consider what most people I know buy for their needs, most go at about EUR 500, maybe EUR 600 (excluding the monitor they still have). Or the other way around, for EUR 1200 you get quite a high end machine with 19" Monitor, Radeon 9800, 512MB, 160GB, almost everything.

      If the proportion is much different in the US (i.e. that not all computers, but only Macs are cheaper than in Europe), I take back what I said. Well, at least with regard to the rest of the world. For Europeans the saying still goes that you get 2 PCs for the price of 1 Mac. ;) Or in other words, the cost of 1 eMac is much more than the average European is willing to pay for a computer.

      [1] On this page click on the eMac picture in the middle (sorry, but a direct link would contain a session id that will expire).

      [2] Software with the same purpose, I mean. I don't argue that Mac software is usually nicer, and not to speak of the iDVD discussion itself.

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    15. Re:Unfortunately by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $1,100 for recording a home movie - yes, that's way too expensive.

      And if he, like me, doesn't have room for another (useless) computer, it's going straight into the trash afterwards. Damned expensive.

  15. Mac? by nacturation · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    No, really. If you're just doing this for fun and you don't want to spend anything (other than your time), then perhaps there's some Open Source project you can work with to help develop it to the level you need.

    But if you're doing this to make money, there's no substitute for getting a Mac. Final Cut Express + DVD Studio is the combination you're looking for. Extremely professional results, all the flexibility you want, and support for the full range of DVD authoring options.

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  16. Why not buy it? by fuzzy12345 · · Score: 2, Funny
    I haven't been able to find a decent car for free, either.

    There's commercial software that does what you want, but you can't find anything for free. You could a) pay b) code c) whine to slashdot.

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    1. Re:Why not buy it? by AaronD12 · · Score: 1
      ...or pirate the software...

      Seriously, though, I've been looking for commercial and non-commercial DVD authoring solutions for Windows and I still cannot find anything that matches iDVD and DVD Studio Pro for the Macintosh.

      You know how people are always saying, "Macs are for creative people only"? Well, my friend, you have ventured into "creative people" territory.

    2. Re:Why not buy it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The way I always hear it worded is: "Macs are for flakes."

      However, you're the astroturfer, so go ahead and evangalize for your leader Steve.

    3. Re:Why not buy it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He didn't wine, he asked for recommendations. Just because YOU didn't find anything doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Why should he pay for something, when he can get something else that does what he needs for free? What happened to the capitalist way of getting the cheapest alternatvie?

    4. Re:Why not buy it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > You know how people are always saying, "Macs are for creative people only"? Well, my friend, you have ventured into "creative people" territory.

      Please show me the way out of here!

      This is Slashdot, nerds should be protected from this kind of world threatening idiocy.

  17. Re:it wont help your problem... by mroch · · Score: 2, Informative

    No, of course not. They do make DVD Studio Pro, which looks like exactly what he's looking for.

  18. There's no OSS to do [activity of interest] by $javamaniac · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    This is your cue to start your own project or begin contributing to one of the "alpha/beta" ones. Or perhaps you think those of us who write software exist only to provide you with free toys?

    1. Re:There's no OSS to do [activity of interest] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the javamaniac posted a perfeclty reasonable response.

      Of course swearing and name calling help so much in having a civil discussion.

      Some of us get a little sick of the 'gimmie' mentality. The poster asked a Gimmie, "I want 'high pricetag' software for free."

      I think it is reasonable to suggest the lack of solutions is grounds for helping solve the problem rather than just asking for a handout.

    2. Re:There's no OSS to do [activity of interest] by dasmegabyte · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Which is one of the biggest challenges in OSS: it's "free" as in speech, so it should also be "free" as in beer.

      Personally, I think the OSS community could do a great job on DVD authoring (having been personally impressed with Blender). But first? They'd need to have money to pay all them developers. DVD Authoring is not some piddlyshit task. It will require a devoted team to create a cohesive interface that will attract DVD creators from all walks of life. And to acheive this, might I suggest *gasp* paying the team? Set up a foundation. Take pledges and donations. Give money to the guys who make the software.

      Somebody's got to be willing to do business. Otherwise, OSS really is nothing more than "free toys." Come on, guys, the ACLU does alright for itself...why not create an FSF that actually does something MORE than advocacy?

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    3. Re:There's no OSS to do [activity of interest] by loginx · · Score: 1

      I would love to participate if there was a central and global area to request specific software and pay for it, such as the gnome bounties: http://www.gnome.org/bounties/

      If there was a nice big site with a bunch of bounties where users can create their own bounties and actually offer money for the applications, I would gladly pay for any app I request...

    4. Re:There's no OSS to do [activity of interest] by bwy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Set up a foundation. Take pledges and donations.

      Well, if you are going to pay the developers you might as well set up a corporation (it isn't that difficult) and hire the developers as employees(!) and then charge for the product. In case you'll feel guilty for some reason about actually building something and selling it(!), provide an outstanding product with outstanding support. The consumers will be happy because they've gotten something they couldn't have gotten any other place, and for an affordable price and with good support. Oh, and you, as the corporation, can pay your developers and they'll have money to feed their kids.

      This sounds like a hell of a system doesn't it :) I heard this type of system thrived in the United States during the 1800's, but has all but vanished now.

    5. Re:There's no OSS to do [activity of interest] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Troll Troll Troll Troll!

  19. Re:it wont help your problem... by Trillan · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I bought a DVD burner a year ago and never could get it working. I burnt my first DVD with my new Mac two days ago, and it worked perfectly first try (well, first try I waited long enough instead of deciding it had crashed -- it hadn't, the progress bar had just stopped updating for some reason).

    I think the product Apple turned into Final Cut Pro used to have a Windows version, but it was dropped. No Linux version, though.

  20. JERK by Gyorg_Lavode · · Score: 1

    don't give them ideas =p.

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  21. 1992 called... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    they said your rightious indignation was overdue.

  22. DVDRHELP and VCDHELP by jonconley · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.dvdrhelp.com/ There are the guides, there are also several links to tools that you can use. You can go very expensive (scenarist, dvdmaestro), cheaper trialware (tmpg, spruceup) , or freeware tools (dvdauthor, ifoedit). Granted freeware isn't quite at the level of the others, but definitely a powerful improvement over the software that you have been using. You will probably learn alot more about the DVD format by using these guides/tools also.

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  23. Re:it wont help your problem... by Trillan · · Score: 0

    Beg pardon! I meant DVD Studio Pro, not Final Cut Pro. At least, I think I did. Apple's video products are hella confusing...

  24. Sigh by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1, Insightful

    As much as I like linux. DVD authoring and fancy media stuff is really far better on mac and windows.

    1. Re:Sigh by null-sRc · · Score: 2, Funny

      As much as I like linux. "Linux is great, and I love it but " translation: linux sucks, but this is slashdot so putting it down will result in severe downmodding. I love gentoo BTW ;)

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    2. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Windows is great, but it's annoying having it crash every few hours, and getting all these viruses and worms on my computer, and paying a few hundred dollars every year or two for the obligatory upgrade"

      Translation?

      And for those who are stupid, Gentoo is a distribution of Linux, so you can't say (or imply) Gentoo is better than Linux.

  25. stop with the mac comments by Siniset · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Yes, we are all aware of how much better the mac is at dvd authoring, but for various reasons many of us are tied to x86 win/linux world. Many of us can only afford one computer, and have to work on that to get all our work done. If someone knows of some websites or programs that might be useful for someone using windows or linux.

    mark me as -1 troll, but I get tired of this sort of thing on slashdot. He did not ask about what operating system would be best for dvd authoring, he's just looking for some software that'll work with his current OS.

    1. Re:stop with the mac comments by AaronD12 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      He did not ask about what operating system would be best for dvd authoring, he's just looking for some software that'll work with his current OS.

      Do you realize people are not telling him to change operating systems? They're saying the best solutions are iDVD and DVD Studio Pro, which just happen to run only on the Mac.

      I know what you're saying, but they're not telling him to switch to Mac because it's a better operating system, they're telling him to switch because these applications are only available on Mac.

    2. Re:stop with the mac comments by Panaflex · · Score: 1

      I know what you're saying, but they're not telling him to switch to Mac because it's a better operating system, they're telling him to switch because these applications are only available on Mac.

      I'm writing to share a tragic little story.
      My Dad has a PC that my sister and I used to use for our DVD's. One night, I was writing a DVD on it, when all of a sudden it went berserk, the screen started flashing, and the whole DVD just disappeared. All of it. And it was a good DVD! I had to cram and rewrite it really quickly. Needless to say, my rushed DVD wasn't nearly as good, and I blame that PC for the grade I got.

      I'm happy to report that my sister and I now share an Apple PowerBook. It's a lot nicer to work on than my dad's PC was, it hasn't let me down once, and my grades have all been really good.

      Just switch!

      --
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    3. Re:stop with the mac comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps not wasteing time with stupid open source apps for DVD Burning Get a JOB and BUY a MAC & The SOFTWARE.

      I can see that open source can abe a great thing, but come on people dont be that cheap. YOU WANT QUALITY, YOU PAY FOR IT.

    4. Re:stop with the mac comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for various reasons many of us are tied to x86 win/linux world.

      Sucks to be you, I guess...

    5. Re:stop with the mac comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Somehow I have little sympathy for you. You should know to save your work frequently if you don't want to lose it. Doesn't matter if you're using a Macintosh, Windows or Linux -- a power failure or application crash can take all of them down equally. So, it's really your fault.

    6. Re:stop with the mac comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It has not improved your grammer.

    7. Re:stop with the mac comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, we are all aware of how much better the mac is at dvd authoring, but for various reasons many of us are tied to x86 win/linux world. Many of us can only afford one computer, and have to work on that to get all our work done. If someone knows of some websites or programs that might be useful for someone using windows or linux.

      Yes we are aware of how much better a screwdriver is at turning screws, but for various reasons many of us are tied to the hammer world. Many of can only afford one tool, and have to work with that to get all our work done. If someone knows of some websites or programs that might be useful for some who wants to pound in screws with a hammer.

    8. Re:stop with the mac comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...or you could do the Mac user thing and pay good money for bastardized versions of open source software a la OS X.

    9. Re:stop with the mac comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what's the difference? People are telling him to buy an expensive computer for a single purpose, that could just as well be done on the computer he has, just not in the program that some random idiot prefers, but probably won't fit the guy asking anyway.

    10. Re:stop with the mac comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...And they all lived happily ever after....

      What a load crap.

  26. dvdauthor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://dvdauthor.sourceforge.net

    it's lowlevel but you can do virtually anything you want -- custom nav, animated menu, etc. it'll even let you do some things that are illegal according to the spec. It works on many Unices and there's even a Cygwin port.

    disclaimer: I wrote it.

    1. Re:dvdauthor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      > disclaimer: I wrote it.

      thank you

    2. Re:dvdauthor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      i was actually thanking him for writing this software because i really like it...and so i get modded funny.... thank you mods..

    3. Re:dvdauthor by Halthar · · Score: 1

      Another thank you. You deserve it. I have been using dvdauthor to make some really nice menus for Naruto DVDs I have been putting together for friends who had no idea that it existed, and it has been a blessing.

      Including creating animated menus, submenus for each episode, submenus for my own chapters in each episode.

      Easy to use too, if you arent scared of a little text editing. Good job. Now I could just use a really good GUI for it to save myself from CTS.

    4. Re:dvdauthor by ValourX · · Score: 1

      Amazing. Every single post above this one should be modded off-topic. If someone asks a question about how to do something with GNU/Linux, it's ridiculous that there have to be 50 Mac switch commercials before someone posts anything resembling an answer to the question.

      The next one below this is good too...

      -Jem
    5. Re:dvdauthor by Lenbok · · Score: 1

      A very nice set of scripts that I use is dvdwizard. Basically point it at a bunch of mpeg files and it does the rest. You can use the scripts as starting points for customizing the menus if you want.

    6. Re:dvdauthor by callipygian-showsyst · · Score: 1
      I've been using DVDAuthor on Win32/cygwin and it works great!

      It took a bit of trial and error to get good menus with SPUMUX that actually work on all DVD players, but after some trial and error, I got it all together.

      I now have an application that runs on Windows that takes an edit list and source .AVI files (DV Format), edits it using the Windows DirectShow Editing API, renderes an MPEG-2, multiplexes audio with MPLEX, generates a menu with SPUMUX, (and graphics for the menu using Windows GDI+) and makes a DVD file system with DVDAuthor.

      You did a great job! I've only had to make a few tweaks to the code (like better PNG/palette support for my menus!)

    7. Re:dvdauthor by Lord+of+Ironhand · · Score: 1
      DVDAuthor is definitely worth the effort, and the best (only) program for this type of work under Linux. There's just one thing I'm missing: the ability (possibly a seperate program) to dump the contents of an existing DVD to a DVDAuthor-compatible structure.

      The reason I'm looking for this is that I like to make copies of my rare & expensive DVD's (and remove the restrictions on skipping warnings and such while I'm at it). Backing up dual-layer DVD's to two single-layer recordables is a major pain since it forces me to hexedit the .ifo files by hand for the 2nd DVD.

      dvdbackup, another related program, promises to be able to easily split DVD's some day, but I'm not sure work is still being done on it, and the DVDAuthor format is more versatile anyway.

    8. Re:dvdauthor by Robotron2084 · · Score: 1

      I agree. Just this weekend I authored my first dvd in linux after much fuss. It is a clunky world of command lines at the moment, but I must stress that if you stick with it, there is a method to it. DVD Authoring in Linux is young, give it some time and a couple GUIs should improve things.

      But really, my needs were simple, one movie, no chapters and no menus. What took me a while wasn't dvdauthor, but working out the dependencies for everything, compiling it all, and then getting it to burn.

      Too much to get into here, but here's a partial list of unusual dependencies for the above programs before you can even compile and open them:

      libdv-0.101.tar.gz
      cdrtools-2.00.tar.gz
      libdvd read-0.9.4-fr2.i386.rpm
      libdvdread-devel-0.9.4-fr 2.i386.rpm
      dvdauthor-0.6.9.tar.gz libquicktime-0.9.2.tar.gz
      dvd+rw-tools-5.17.4.8.6 .tar.gz
      mjpegtools-1.6.2.tar.gz
      jpeg-mmx-0.1.5.t ar.gz
      nasm-0.98.38.tar.gz
      k3b-0.11.6.tar

      http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6953
      http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue83/stoddard.htm l
      http://www.dahnielson.com/primer.txt

      One last note. dvdrtools no longer exists, and the mkisofs from cdrtools 2.0 supports the -dvd-video switch, although this is not explicitly mentioned anywhere in the man or help files.

      And if you've gotten this far, I hope you bought brand name DVD media, otherwise you're just making coasters...

    9. Re:dvdauthor by geminidomino · · Score: 0

      Anyone who's googled has found dvdauthor. The trick is getting it to WORK. The man pages are incomplete (how many entries have "foo" as the description now?) and there are a lot of subtle bugs. I've found the mailing list to be ZERO on the latest problem. Everything works fine until I've made an ISO image. Then the subtitles are the wrong color and the disc crashes. However, if I play the VOBs directly then it works fine. My guess is the problem is in the dvdauthor's -T implimentation (create table of contents) rather than mkisofs, as the vobs still work right when run from the CLI with Xine.

    10. Re:dvdauthor by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      > dvdauthor
      > by Anonymous Coward
      > I wrote it.

      Hmmmmm.... :-)

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    11. Re:dvdauthor by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Aha! Awesome to hear from you. I've used dvdauthor under Mac OS X (yes kids, recent versions compile just fine) but I've observed some weird artifacts at the same time.

      May as well own up to what I'm doing: I suck a bunch of chapters off a commercial DVD, filtered through a DeCSS algorithm. Then I ran all the resulting VOB files through dvdauthor, to create a disc image with no menus.

      The artifacts I mention are in the chapter stops. Sometimes there's a very brief pause as my player goes from chapter to chapter, and fast forward and rewind behave really crazy.

      I'm not so much asking when you're going to fix that, though (in fact, I think it's already been fixed) -- I'm just wondering about the DVD format itself. How complicated is it?? How can things like this show up ... I mean, isn't it simply a mechanism for playing MPEG-2 streams? If so, why should commercial authoring software be able to create discs that traverse chapter stops with no problem, but dvdauthor-authored movies have trouble?

      I'm just really curious about this format and why there should be so many hurdles in creating DVDs with open source software (since after all, unlike CD audio, a data DVD uses the same filesystem as a movie DVD).

      Go to my Web site and grab my email address if you're willing to talk about it in private.

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    12. Re:dvdauthor by MyFourthAccount · · Score: 1

      You did a great job! I've only had to make a few tweaks to the code (like better PNG/palette support for my menus!)

      Of course we hope you submitted those changes back.

    13. Re:dvdauthor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I thought I wrote it? Or was that me?

    14. Re:dvdauthor by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      I'm curious, which would be the best user friendly application, and which is the best overall. DVD authoring is something I'm also looking at doing.

      As for Roxio, 6 is fine for simple data disks, and music CDs, but that's about all.

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    15. Re:dvdauthor by dave420 · · Score: 1

      dvdauthorauthor? :-P

    16. Re:dvdauthor by Gadzinka · · Score: 1
      Well, I use debian unstable plus
      #/etc/apt/sources.list
      #mplayer and other video stuff
      deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
      # misc audio stuff
      deb http://rarewares.hydrogenaudio.org/xmixahlx/debian / ./
      and everything I need is there to apt-get. Only hydrogen audio is pinned to not interfere with normal debian packages:
      #/etc/apt/preferences
      Package: *
      Pin: origin rarewares.hydrogenaudio.org
      Pin-Priority: 480
      Robert
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    17. Re:dvdauthor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      There's just one thing I'm missing: the ability (possibly a seperate program) to dump the contents of an existing DVD to a DVDAuthor-compatible structure
      dvdunauthor, included in the dvdauthor package.
    18. Re:dvdauthor by Lord+of+Ironhand · · Score: 1

      Thanks a lot! Just what I was looking for. Don't see how I could have overlooked it though...

  27. dvdauthor by skippy13 · · Score: 5, Informative

    A few links:
    http://dvdauthor.sourceforge.net/
    http:// dvd-slideshow.sourceforge.net/
    http://www.pcxperi ence.org/james/dvd/presentations /20031016/medres/text0.html
    http://www.tappin.me. uk/Linux/dvd.html
    http://gecius.de/linux/dvd.html
    http://www.dahnielson.com/primer.txt
    http://pol idori.chapelperilous.net/
    http://qdvdauthor.sourc eforge.net/
    http://dvdstyler.sourceforge.net/

  28. DVD-Lab by sparkie · · Score: 2, Informative

    The best tool I've ever used for creating videos. Even supports making SVCDDVD's so I can burn my TV Episodes 5 at a time to a DVD can be found at http://www.mediachance.com/dvdlab/

  29. Useful Programs *Not Necessarily for DVD Authoring by Ann+Coulter · · Score: 4, Informative

    Cinelerra(video editing)
    Transcode(video encoding)
    Gear Pro(not free)
    mkisofs (for making images with the -dvd-video switch)
    linuxvideostudio (gooey)
    lsdvd (for listing dvd contents

  30. You're going to hate me... by dspisak · · Score: 5, Informative

    Okay a few things to get out of the way.

    First, most consumer oriented DVD authoring apps are absolute garbage and not worth your time if your looking to make something unique that is your own and you don't need templates written in stone to guide you.

    On the PC side Ulead DVD Workshop was a decent app with some flexibility but it has its limitations. If you need something more powerful then DVD Workshop I would recommend Adobe Encore.

    If you need something more advanced then Encore you are now entering the realm of Sonic Scenarist which is what is used by a lot of the pros for Hollywood movie DVDs. It comes with a very high pricetag depends on which version you opt for.

    On the Mac side of things you've got iDVD 4 which is very nice for non-technical people. It has some nice features and flexiblity. If you need more then iDVD 4 skip ahead to DVD Studio Pro 2 which is IMHO one of the easiest to use fully featured DVD authoring apps I've had the pleasure to use. There are a very few things that DVDSP2 doesn't do that Sonic Scenarist does support and if you need them your usually in a postion to afford the cost of Scenarist.

    Personally, if your going to be making money off DVD authoring I'd have a Mac around just for working in DVDSP2 and then use something like CinemaCraft SP on a very fast PC for MPEG-2 encoding (unless G5 encode speeds are fast enough for you, depends on your projects and turnaround time).

    DVD authoring on Linux I have yet to try but this stuff is non-trivial to do even under Windows. DVDSP2 is great because it helps hide some of the underlying complexity, just enough so its not overwhelming but you do need to know a few things about the DVD spec. I suspect part of Linux's problem when it comes to DVD authoring packages is the mutli-application aspect of such a program. Remember an authoring package has to understand multiple media types for assest, be able to composite both 2D images and moving video as well as deal with sound, editing, compositing, not to mention DVD scripting and other things if it intends to allow you to do anything allowed withing the DVD-Video spec.

    Keep in mind that some of these higher end authoring packages like Scenarist are so complicated that you have people whose whole job description can be summed up as "Sonic Scenarist Specialist" when it comes to DVD authoring.

    1. Re:You're going to hate me... by p24t · · Score: 2, Informative

      Adobe Encore is a great package. It's got 2 major drawbacks... First, it will only run under WinXP. (I had to install XP. grr) Secondly, its $549. That right there is enough to stop mostly anyone from buying it.

      On the other hand, the DVDs you can make with Encore are absolutely phonemonal. I tried a bunch of windows software before Encore (cause I didn't want to install XP) and most have some major flaw or another. Nero wouldn't let me use an intro movie before the menu. Roxio wouldn't recompress the videos enough to fit what I wanted onto the DVD. Pinnacle and Intervideo also failed. Neither was all that great, or even easy to use. Standard 'consumer' apps always tend to fall short if you really want to do a nice job. Adobe will let you have multiple menus, menus with video/sound/still, you can make your own buttons with pictures/video, etc.

      In the end, Adobe knows what they're doing, and they know that they can make people $550 if they really want a nice DVD.

    2. Re:You're going to hate me... by dspisak · · Score: 1

      Having to run WinXp is a small price to pay. I know people who are stuck with Mac OS 9 if the want to run certain mac versions of Sonic authoring products.

      DVD Workshop is sort of like Adobe Encore Lite in my books. But I'm at the point now where anything less then DVDSP2 isn't worth my time as I just get frustrated with limitations.

    3. Re:You're going to hate me... by martinX · · Score: 1

      Hey don't knock OS9! It's a great Operating Syst ... hey what's that bomb?

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    4. Re:You're going to hate me... by hawkstone · · Score: 1

      I've been using DVD Workshop with a bit of success. It has some limitations that irk me, though, such as only 20 still images in a slideshow and motion menus that can only last about 5 seconds. It's phenomenally limited in a number of fundamental ways, however, and I'm seriously considering splurging on Encore, or maybe the whole Adobe video collection ($1k for Encore + After Effects Std + Premiere Pro + Audition isn't too bad, actually).

      So here's a question: It sounds like Encore is leaps and bounds beyond DVD Workshop. Is there anything significant that Encore can't do?

    5. Re:You're going to hate me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a "DVD Author" (or specialist as you say) and authoring DVDs really isn't that hard. It's such a simple specification really that I'm amazed that no one has other than Spruce and Maestro have made "fully" featured apps as yet.

    6. Re:You're going to hate me... by dspisak · · Score: 1

      DVD scripting I believe is outside of Encore's capabilities. This is part of why I love DVD Studio Pro 2 so much, its about the same cost but far more capable.

    7. Re:You're going to hate me... by dspisak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The specification isn't THAT complicated, true but the array of media formats one might want to import as assets can be dizzying. Additonally its takes some know-how in the program for how to properly convert assets into your MPEG-2 streams. Scripting can become complex too. If you want to deal with 16:9 verse 4:3 can be a PITA depending on what format something was shot in, etc.

      As far DVD author being a specialist it also depends on how much of the input workflow you have control over. Myself I usually end up dealing with importing the video onto our edit stations and then at that point it becomes a quest for tweaking the MPEG-2 encoder settings right for the various segments that will go onto the DVD.

  31. How about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    if he's doing it because he has PC hardware and recieved a DVD writer as a gift?

    Or how about you read the f'ing questions?

    Or barring that, how about you read the f'ing comments so there aren't 15 people with the same answer that doesn't address the same questions they none of them read?

    How about I adjust my expecations to the shockingly low standards of the enviroment? Yeah... It's working, I can feel it tingling.

  32. For linux software to be great... by 47Ronin · · Score: 1

    Developers first need to see how successful ideas are implemented. Note Apple's iDVD page and the features that are provided. Note the attention to motion themes (demo requires QuickTime), chapter marking for scene selection, and slideshows. I'm sure linux developers know how to code this stuff. They just need a handle on what people WANT from an app, and implement it in a logical format.

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    1. Re:For linux software to be great... by dasmegabyte · · Score: 4, Funny

      Pardon me sir. I have rewritten your post to underscore my cynicism for your viewpoint. Examine:

      "Guys, I want you to go steal all of Apple's ideas. That way, you don't have to come up with an interface or features by yourselves! Innovation is best left up to Apple, a company that pays for talented developers to engineer quality products. But fucked if I'm going to pay for it! I ain't no sucker. Now, make me free software, I command it!"

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  33. In Linux - not too difficult. by GiMP · · Score: 5, Informative

    First, please realize that the DVD menus are simply MPEG files. You can create a static menu with the gimp, or if you're into motion, use Cinelerra or another video editing program like MainActor, Final Cut Pro, or Adobe Premier.

    Finally, you can add buttons to the menu with dvdauthor. There aren't many frontends for dvdauthor, but it is easy to use manually or you can kludge together your use of a video editor and qdvdauthor.

  34. try this by snakattak · · Score: 5, Informative

    Using Linux only...look here

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    1. Re:try this by fireboy1919 · · Score: 3, Informative

      In my extensive search for things that did this in Linux, this was the best guide available.

      HOWEVER, the problem remains that transcode can only work with AVI files reliably, and even then it doesn't deal with any of the MPEG4 codecs, such as DIVX.

      The other thing that I found out was that mplayer people have decided to build an output system into mencoder (their file-reencoder) to do DVD-compatible mpegs as an output format.

      This is a big thing, because it is also something that gives Linux an edge over Windows encoding solutions, and probably over all proprietary solutions, since mplayer can decode more than any other video player. So you could take old cartoons you downloaded from the net in wmv format, add a video in mjpeg format from your camera, and put them both on the same DVD.

      Best of all, I think, is that it's about twice as fast, or more, than any other processing solution I know about.

      I imagine that the reason that there is no good Linux solution for this at the moment is that video re-encoding isn't up to the standard such that making GUIs to do things for it is too complicated to be really useful. This may change that issue.

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    2. Re:try this by Hangman+Jim+99 · · Score: 1

      Um, I think you might want to take a closer look at transcode.
      Try this command: ls -1 `tcmodinfo -p`/export*.so

      On my system, transcode can export: ac3 af6 debugppm divx4(+) divx4raw(+) divx5(+) divx5raw(+) dv dvraw fame ffmpeg im jpg lame lzo mjpeg mp2enc(*) mpeg(*) mpeg2enc(*) net null ogg pcm ppm raw toolame wav xvid xvid2 xvid3 xvid4 yuv4mpeg

      (+) capable of divX format
      (*) capable of DVD format

      So it seems you have quite a choice :)

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    3. Re:try this by fireboy1919 · · Score: 1

      I've tried it encoding divx stuff and it didn't work.

      I was using the latest version of transcode that Gentoo has to offer.

      I"m not talking about exports, either. I'm talking about imports. If you're doing DVD authoring, all the exports are through mp2enc.

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  35. dvdlab for windows by john+collier · · Score: 1
    Check out dvd-lab. I have tried many windows packages. The free ones with the burner are junk. dvd workshop is ok, but it costs about $200. dvd-lab is $79 (last time I checked). It gives you great functionality (motion menus, ability to switch menus during navigation, ...) and a 30-day full demo.

    This is not a drop-dead easy wizard oriented program but is easy enough to learn. Highly recommended. (and no, no personal interest). The menu that I wanted to do was have a video preview pane and 3 text listings of movies. As you scroll through the 3 items, the preview changes to the appropriate movie. Couldn't do it in any other program that I could find. www.mediachance.com

  36. mac alternatives wasn't an option he needed by spacepimp · · Score: 1

    is it just me or did the user ask about pc or linux applications? perhaps people should read a post before they reply. try the demo of roxio, if your looking to go on the cheap youll have to forgo a lot of the nice high end perks, of professional systems. and i fail to see how the buy a mac so you can get idvd installed makes sense.

  37. I might... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Except it's slashdotted! Wow, linuxjournal slashdotted and it's not even on the front page!!

    Is this a record?

  38. Re:.... and you won't ever have to pay SCO licensi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for 'ever'

    can't read your own subject? :P

  39. Ulead DVDWS by agslashdot · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've been using Ulead DVD Workshop under Win2K, and I would heartily recommend it. Has customizable menus, buttons, text placement anywhere...works like a charm. Burned 50+ DVDs so far. Burns VCDs & SVCDs too. Cost - I got it free when I purchased my Pioneer DVR-A06 burner, maybe the cost is factored in the h/w. Dunno about easter eggs, I'm sure there must be a bunch of catholic folk at Ulead who can cater to that department :)

  40. Some suggestions: by Doppler00 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ulead VideoStudio is about the best consumer grade DVD authoring application I've used on Windows. That's not saying much, but I think it's the best option. You can customize quite a few settings that more simplified programs don't have (such as bit rate, codec choices, etc). Roxio has DVD builder which is much simpler and you can't customize as much.

    I've heard nothing but good things from my co-workers on DVD authoring on the Mac. I would consider buying one if I spent a lot of time doing DV video editing and such.

  41. TechTV by dostert · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    TechTV did a short article on this not too long ago. All free tools. I've used DVDXCopy and even CloneDVD, but the truth is these free tools work best (DVD Decrypter and DVD Shrink). http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/darktips/story/ 0,24330,3605537,00.html

  42. Everyone's busy bashing the Mac by codemachine · · Score: 1

    But really, if you buy an eMac with a Superdrive, it will come with iDVD. If iDVD actually is good enough for what these people need, it *might* be cheaper to buy the new machine than it is to buy the equivalent Windows software.

    If you're needing the professional Apple tools to meet the requirements though (the * Pro tools), then a Windows or Linux professional software solution is certainly cheaper.

    1. Re:Everyone's busy bashing the Mac by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      While I did not buy a eMac, I did buy a Mac because I got totally frustrated with any of the software I have seen on the PC level.
      I have Pinnacle Studio 8 and it had issues with audio syncing. Through alot of reading on the net, I found problems with MOST of the cheaper products and was afraid that by the time I found something that worked for my style, I would have spent as much as I did on my 12 inch powerbook. After buying my Powerbook, I had a DVD burnt with in 2-3 hours and most of the time I wast having a blast. While I agree the guy asking the question asked for Linux programs, I figure if you have to ask Slashdot, there probably isn't anything that will work. I know getting a Mac may not be ideal so here's my take...I'd try the Ulead first. After that if that did not work, get Adobe Encore or get a Mac. Seriously. Also, Pinnacle is bringing out or has brought out Studio 9. Hopefully they fixed some of the issues and made some enhancments because the editing system is spiffy. My only beef....it's a bitch to add MP3 audio and NOT obvious. Also adding music from a cd needs to have that disc in the drive everytime your editing the project (in version 8). That needs fixed as well as the audio oos problem.

      As far as Linux goes, considering that just PLAYING DVD's was such a chore just a few short years ago, creating them will be even harder. I don't know of any program except some just movie editing (filmgimp) but those are still very new. Pay the bucks and get a windows or mac product.

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  43. DVDLab + Wine by reub2000 · · Score: 1

    Just use DVD Lab with wine.

    1. Re:DVDLab + Wine by ShavenYak · · Score: 1

      How well does that work? I'd imagine the basics of authoring would be mostly OK, but does the preview window work? How about the burning aspect of it - does that work OK, or should you just create a file structure and use K3B or something to burn?

      Also, do TMPGEnc or CCE work well under Wine? The only other missing piece for my purposes was capture from DV, but I understand that kino does that exceptionally well....

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  44. Nero Vision and Adobe Encore DVD by maxofthewell · · Score: 1

    Nero Vision is a very simple program to use with tons of features and the final product comes out looking real nice. If you are looking for something extremely advanced, then adobe encore dvd is the way to go. Both programs run on windows(obviously).

  45. DVD-lab by PyrotekNX · · Score: 2, Informative

    This software will make a compliant DVD with motion menus, slideshows, tranitions, etc etc that Scenarist also does. DVD-lab is mid range as price. Probably under $500. (Scenarist is about $45,000)

  46. DVD Authoring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I to recently got a DVD Burner, and was wondering where to install it, Linux or Windows. I, like you, didn't find much ready for primetime in the Linux arena, so I went with Windows for the time being.

    I use Roxio Easy DVD creator for burning data.
    For creating Video DVD I have been using several products, not finding any one that could the whole job well.

    I use ScenalyzerLive by Andreas Winter to capture content.
    I use TMPGEnc to encode into Mpeg2 from AVI, and finally I use TMPGEnc DVD Author to create the menus and burn.

    So far these products have proven to get the job done with great quality and decent performance.

    Hope this helps.

  47. Easy by osm+the+otter · · Score: 2, Informative

    Adobe Encore DVD + eDonkey = Problem Solved!

  48. A jedi does not crave these things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    support for buttons?
    animated menus/backgrounds?

    These are useless and get in the way. A true nerd only wants to store the MPEGS on the disc, and *maybe* have a text menu. Shame on you.

  49. RTFQ !! by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 1

    Did anyone else besides me notice that "Cliff" posed the question, "DVD Authoring Under Linux?"
    and NOT

    DVD Authoring Under Windows?

    or

    DVD Authoring Under Mac?

    JFCOAPS!! All the Mac and M$ suggestions are really helpful to the Mac and M$ users but the poor dude needs an answer for Linux..

    We now return you to your regularly scheduled troll...

    1. Re:RTFQ !! by hayse.in.oz · · Score: 1

      But he did concede that Windows software might be accepatable...in the absence of free/linux stuff.

      "Preference to open-source or Linux software, but Windows software will do if there's nothing better"

      Don't get angry, just RTFQ....

      Hayse in Oz

  50. Too expensive by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The original poster wanted a solution available for purchase for less than 800 USD.

  51. I've been using dvdlab also by Cthefuture · · Score: 3, Informative

    That's what I was going to suggest for Windows.

    DVDLab is one of the few apps that let me easily burn 480x480 mpeg streams. They work fine in most DVD players I've tried.

    That's actually one of the few reasons I ever boot to Windows. I haven't found any easy to use Linux software. I hear dvdauthor works but until it's integrated into K3B with a menu builder or something then I'm out of luck.

    I see a lot of posts in here about iDVD. I might give it a shot since I have a Mac sitting here that I hardly ever use. Thank goodness for firewire DVD burners.

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    1. Re:I've been using dvdlab also by mduell · · Score: 1

      iDVD doesnt work with external dvd burners.

    2. Re:I've been using dvdlab also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Actually, apparently you can. Check this out.

      (Coincidentially, this was reported today in MacSlash.)

  52. dvdauthor by Gadzinka · · Score: 4, Informative

    dvdauthor is a very good software.

    It certainly isn't point&click dvd creator, everything has to be written in xml files defining dvd structure. But it has support for buttons, multiple menus of all types (i.e. root, title, subpicture etc). It also allows to write programs running on DVD Player virtual machine.

    dvdauthor also contains software to multiplex graphical and textual subtitles into mpeg2 stream (spumux) as well as software to extract subtitles from existing mpeg2 stream, such as VOB files (spuunmux).

    You will need lots of other programs to create your dvd videos, like mplex from mjpegtools, some mpeg encoder (transcode or mencoder from mplayer), toolame and/or ffmpeg for creation of proper mpeg2 audio tracks, sox for occasional resampling of audio (dvd needs 48kHz sound whereas audio is often available in 44.1kHz).

    If you think it looks cryptic, you are right: it is. But after a while one manages to handle this whole mess and with the help of several scripts make his own video dvds with separate audio tracks, chapters, multiple subtitles and much, much more.

    Robert

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  53. Re:DVD authoring by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    iDVD is $800 and comes with a free Mac. $800 makes the original poster's check bounce.

  54. Free toys? by phorm · · Score: 1

    Or perhaps you think those of us who write software exist only to provide you with free toys?

    No more than the software/etc that I code is offered to provide "free toys" to somebody. It's to make life easier, or more productive. I really hate feeding trolls, but most people don't want to contribute to one of the several alpha/beta projects that have bare functionality and then watch it go down the tube. Paying for decent software is fine, and I'd be happy to support a project with strong backing, but most don't have that. I'd rather contribute to the OS movement in general, by making my own OS code to share with the masses.

    Beside that fact, you're making a big assumption that I don't contribute. I do, to projects that are advanced enough and attract my attention. So stop trolling and maybe next time offer a suggestion that's helpful to the problem at hand.

    1. Re:Free toys? by JudicatorX · · Score: 1
      most people don't want to contribute to one of the several alpha/beta projects that have bare functionality and then watch it go down the tube

      that's the way things go sometimes. But you've got to consider what causes projects to fail? Lack of interest (though this falls under several categories, including "no leadership" and "not enough people to do the work that needs to be done"), as well as something that duplicates the work of another project.

      But that's where the code-sharing of open source comes in handy - you have the potential to avoid a lot of unnecessary code duplication. How many propriatary-code software projects barely get off the ground, and are scrapped. Of course, we rarely ever hear about those.

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  55. DVDLab by JoeyLemur · · Score: 2, Informative

    DVD-Labhttp://www.mediachance.com/dvdlab/index.htm l -- Windows shareware software. $99, $128 if you get the TMPGEnc engine with it.

    I use this for making my DVDs, and I'm quite happy with it... well worth the money.

  56. multiple camera angles? by tdrury · · Score: 1

    How about multiple camera angles? I never see that advertised in any DVD authoring software I've looked at. Does that mean it's so easy that they all do it by default? Or does it mean it's not easy and only professional grade tools can do it?

    Come to think of it, I don't think I've seen any movies that utilize it (or I just didn't notice if they did). How does it work exactly? Do you have multiple sychronized video streams that you can seemlessly switch between without interrupting the flow of time?

    -tim

    1. Re:multiple camera angles? by SlamMan · · Score: 1

      Basically, yeah. it just switches to a second video stream. Not hard to implement, but rarely used. Its kind of like bullet time. It was neat the firs time you saw it, but it gets old really fast.

      Now, I wish more DVDs would put in the option to add the deleted scene back into the movie where they should have gone. its really a simple run time script that would barely add any size to the dvd.

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    2. Re:multiple camera angles? by mabinogi · · Score: 1

      Some music DVDs use it (Metallica's Cunning Stunts for example).

      But apart from that, I believe the only place it's used is in porn movies...leading to Multi-Angle Title being a euphamism for porn.
      (source The DVD FAQ)

      BTW, I have Cunning Stunts, and the multi angle support is pretty lame...the camera angle changes so often anyway, that you barely notice that you've changed it.

      Hmmm...some titles also use the feature in their special features - they might show a scene and by selecting different "angles" you can see different levels of production or effects.

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    3. Re:multiple camera angles? by jonconley · · Score: 1

      I know Scenarist and DVD Maestro support it. I would assume most authoring software doesn't support this function, especially at the non-professional levels due the the fact it isn't very commonly used and is a rather advanced feature. According to a guide from doom9, they point out it is often used for those DVDs that use the script or storyboard, so you can toggle in between the views. And yes, the uses also mentioned in the surrounding posts :) I think the NIN-AATCHB DVD had multiangles too.

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    4. Re:multiple camera angles? by topham · · Score: 1

      Check out a Cirque Du Soleil DVD sometime, my GF has one of them (Alegria?) and the multiangle option is used well, you can view the different performances which are occuring at the same time from significantly different angles.

  57. Unfortunately this is a thread about Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but you had to tell us about your Mac anyway

    +5 informative my ass more like -1 off topic

  58. I second DVD-Lab by mr_zorg · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's an awesome program for a very reasonable price tag. Does everything you could want and doesn't treat you like an idiot. However, be aware that it is NOT an MPEG encoder or editor.

    1. Re:I second DVD-Lab by Frodrick · · Score: 2, Informative
      "be aware that it is NOT an MPEG encoder or editor"

      They do, however, have a deal where one can buy DVD-Lab and TMPGEng DVD Encoder as one bundle for a still-reasonable price.

  59. Panasonic DMR-E80 by swb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No, I'm not kidding. It plugs into anything in the house that makes video, does almost frame-accurate editing, 80GB HDD and stores to either -R or -RAM discs. Never drops frames, asks for software updates, gets the audio out of sync with the video, and the discs play on anything that will play -R media.

    I have a DVD-R in my PC as well, and I know I'm probably a total loser but I found that video editing on the computer was more of a PITA than it was worth. DV bridge, hundreds of dollars worth of software, and a shitload of time to do compression or transcoding. The PC drive mainly comes in handy for duping DVDs I made on the E80 (DVD Decrypter) or making backups of stuff I've bought (DVDShrink).

    For $480 I got a DMR-E80 and spent the rest of my time doing something more productive. I know it's not the right answer for someone who HAS to do 'fancy' editing (TV or Movies), but for most anything else it's sooo much easier and reliable, and less money to boot.

  60. Top ten by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And, the number one reason why Linux users don't get it is...

    I get more coasters when doing it through linux than windows, but I could have something configured wrong.

  61. Encore by SlamMan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    First off, I'm a video editor, and yes i use macs all day. yes, DVD studio is the best thing since sliced bread. and no, that doesn't answer the question. The best PC program I've found for DVD authoring is Adobe's Encore. At $550, its not free, but you get what you pay for with AV stuff.

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  62. Short Guide Courtesy of shiznix by Roguelazer · · Score: 5, Informative

    This guide was posted on the Gentoo Forums by shiznix. Find it here: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=117709

    I know you Slashdot users hate Gentoo, but this is actually an excellent guide that features animated menus and all!

    1. Re:Short Guide Courtesy of shiznix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That post is an exact copy of this page: http://mightylegends.zapto.org/dvd/dvdauthor_howto .php Maybe it is the same person ...but I hate to think credit is not being given where it is due. (the mainpage of that website also has a slackware button at the bottom) who knows.

    2. Re:Short Guide Courtesy of shiznix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >I know you Slashdot users hate Gentoo

      It's not that, it's just slashdot users hate everything.

    3. Re:Short Guide Courtesy of shiznix by omega9 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, they both live in Adelaide, Australia. So at least if they're not the same person they're close enough to kick the crap out of each other.

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    4. Re:Short Guide Courtesy of shiznix by rxchurch · · Score: 0

      > you Slashdot users

      And what the fuck are you?

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    5. Re:Short Guide Courtesy of shiznix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      nah. we don't hate gentoo. its just that our gentoo install is still compiling :o

    6. Re:Short Guide Courtesy of shiznix by borgasm · · Score: 1

      Who says I hate Gentoo. :-)

      I have multiple servers running it, and they haven't flinched...

  63. Place to begin by the_Skunkworks · · Score: 5, Informative

    I found doom9.org was a good place to begin in creating DVD's they have a great tutorials and some damn good programs (only windows).

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  64. Re:it wont help your problem... by SlamMan · · Score: 1

    Which is only for Macs, so it doesn't answer the question (and yeah, its really is great software). I'd recommend Adobe's Encore.

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  65. growisofs by max+born · · Score: 2, Informative

    Check out:

    man growisofs

    or go to.

    If you're new to the command line try this tutorial

    Good luck.

  66. No, no, no, no by hayden · · Score: 4, Funny
    - ask about any subject X and include 'Linux' and it'll get your answers posted to slashdot.
    You need to ask the question where "Linux sucks because Windows can do X" where X is something you want to do under linux. Trolling is far more effective than actually asking for help.

    (Probably stolen from a bash.org quote. Free karma to person who posts the link)

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    1. Re:No, no, no, no by TheMysteriousFuture · · Score: 1

      http://bash.org/?246329

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    2. Re:No, no, no, no by wanion · · Score: 5, Funny

      #152037 +(940)- [X]

      <dm> I discovered that you'd never get an answer to a problem from Linux Gurus by asking. You have to troll in order for someone to help you with a Linux problem.
      <dm> For example, I didn't know how to find files by contents and the man pages were way too confusing. What did I do? I knew from experience that if I just asked, I'd be told to read the man pages even though it was too hard for me.
      <dm> Instead, I did what works. Trolling. By stating that Linux sucked because it was so hard to find a file compared to Windows, I got every self-described Linux Guru around the world coming to my aid. They gave me examples after examples of different ways to do it. All this in order to prove to everyone that Linux was better.
      * ion has quit IRC (Ping timeout)
      <dm> brings a tear to my eye... :') so true..
      <dm> So if you're starting out Linux, I advise you to use the same method as I did to get help. Start the sentence with "Linux is gay because it can't do XXX like Windows can". You will have PhDs running to tell you how to solve your problems.
      <dm> this person must be a kindred spirit of mine

  67. Adobe Encore! by inburito · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Personally, I think that there is no substitute for Adobe Encore. Sonic Foundry Dvd Architect (i think it's owned by sony now) comes as a somewhat distant second. It is $599, but easily worth the money.

    1. Re:Adobe Encore! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      i agree, great app, they likely have a 30 day demo out now, and its basicly the photoshop of dvd authoring, with that fine a level of control over what you can do. last time i used it it was buggy as hell though.

  68. You fucking cocksucking idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    You can buy any USB mouse and plug it into a Mac.

    Even the one you're using right now, troll.

  69. Mac luser moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    god damnit man, dont you know those other buttons do not have any native functions in MacOS? you have to program them to do limited things

    1. Re:Mac luser moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Goddamn you are fucking halfwitted moron, those other buttons have uses in X right out of the box.

      If you had bothered to revisit the system more often than once a decade you might have discovered that the Mac didn't stop evolving at System 6.0.7.

      I weep with the thought that you might have children. For they would surely be a drain on society as a whole.

    2. Re:Mac luser moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Ah System 6.0.1, that takes me back... wasn't the Multifinder just excellent?

      Best Mac OS ever. Everything from that point on was downhill. *sigh*

  70. Whee! More Ketchup! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here we go again. The best advice the parent's poster has is for someone (anyone but him, apparently) to reinvent the wheel attached to someone else's ride.

    Linux will not make significant inroads to the desktop unless its proponents exceed the status quo.

    What's that? Money where my mouth is? Well, er... I use Microsoft's products. Exclusively (except for my iPod). I like MS's products. Under pressure from Apple and other sources, they've become wonderful. They... just work.

  71. Not freeware, but... by davmoo · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've used a *lot* of software for DVD authoring, and my favorite and current applications for doing so are the products from Ulead. They aren't free, and they are Windows only, but they do the job, and there are 30 day demos on their web site. I've even used them for commercial work, and am very happy with them.

    I also regularly use and like Adobe Premier Pro. But this is a high-dollar solution ($700), so its probably not one you're interested in.

    Most of the time, I still will select Ulead Visual Studio over Premier anyway.

    Again speaking as someone who has done DVD authoring commercially, I regret to say that I find the Linux applications for this to be woefully lacking. DVD authoring is the *one* thing that keeps me on a dual-boot machine as opposed to a Linux only box. I'd love to dump Windows entirely, especially after hearing that Bill Gates and Darl McBride are secret homosexual lovers, but I like being able to get my video work done in a timely and professional fashion.

    Now that I've tried to answer the posted question, I'm going to chime in agreement with something a few others have posted. I've looked all over the original posting, and nowhere in it can I see the term "Mac" or any variation of it. When someone asks a PC question, "get a Mac" is not an appropriate answer. I'm sure the Mac users would get just as riled if someone posted a Mac question and only got PC answers. I would also go so far as to say that anything you can do in regards to DVD authoring with a Mac, I can do it just as well on a PC. The Mac used to be the hands-down winner in any type of multimedia application. Sorry kids, but those days are over.

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  72. I agree by cnmsales · · Score: 1

    I agree , dvd shrink is a great tool that you should dl while you can. The best site I have found for DVD information is www.afterdawn.com They have links MB's and userguides for all the tools your looking for.

  73. Research by JSmooth · · Score: 1

    Reading the post and some of the comments reminds me of similiar discussions redundantly repeated on websites all over the net. Other people have already mentioned many excellent sources of information for DVD authoring/burning for windows AND linux(my favorite is doom9.org).

    But my comment is, what happened to doing some research? A five minute google would find thousands of useful hits. It seems lately, and not just at slashdot, more and more people cannot be bothered to do even the most basic of searches. are we becoming that lazy? So lazy I can't spend a few minutes actually reading a website's content before asking a question? I read a 97 page white paper on quantization just so I would know what was going on. The internet is a great reference library if you use it!

    I don't really need a firewall just because I am on the Internet, do I?

    1. Re:Research by buss_error · · Score: 1
      A five minute google would find thousands of useful hits.

      Two problems here:

      You are correct. Most people can't be bothered to do any search.

      Those that do bother get lousy results.

      For instance, I needed an electronics part the other day, and did a search on the part name. I got millions of hits. Most were for some band or other, so I searched again with the names of the people in the band as excluded. I still got tons of stuff. I excluded the word music. Still tons of hits on that damn band. (I listened to a bit of their music. Sounds like cats mating in a canning factory. Yuck.) After two hours of searching, I finally got it pared down to where there were two or three hits on what I was looking for, and only a few thousand for what I wasn't. The exclude list on the search was just freakin' insane.

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    2. Re:Research by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      For what its worth, google has been made all but worthless on "esoteric" searches like "linux dvd backup" because of googlebombing spammers. I found ONE extremely outdated tutorial and probably THIRTEEN "affiliate" (read: spammer) sites for the windows only DVD copy software "Replicant2".

      Though it looks like slashdot's going the same way. Nothing useful for linux, but a flood of Mac posts with some windows posts thrown in for "flavor"

    3. Re:Research by barthrh2 · · Score: 1

      Try one of the categorization sites, like Dogpile, Vivisimo, Mooter or the very nifty Grokker client.

      All of them separate data into categories so you can drill into what's important.

  74. Precursor to dvd studio pro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple actually bought out spruce who made "dvd maestro" that program rocked, and eventually became known as dvd studio pro. but since they no long make a pc version where apple owns them, your gonna have to find an archived version on kazaa or gnutella or whatever. its a few megs TOPS, no copy protection, and its almost as good as dvd studio pro is today. oh and it DOES run on windows

  75. Not good for authoring from scratch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Hey, I thought I'd seen your advice somewhere before...hmmmm ;) DVD Shrink is useless if you want custom menus. It's used for taking an original DVD and removing/compressing items already on the DVD, not for mixing in new stuff. But it is a good program.

  76. The best software I've seen... by zentex · · Score: 1

    is VegasVideo.

    Google for it :-)

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  77. Dolby Digital Support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I just wanted to mention that most inexpensive, consumer-level or free programs do not support Dolby Digital audio compression. This is important if you want to have very high video quality on a disc which is longer than one hour.

    If you use uncompressed audio, your video bitrate has to be lowered and this will start to affect the quality. With Dolby Digital (2 channel) the audio size is significantly reduced, allowing you to set the video bitrate higher.

    Adobe Encore, DVDit! Professional Edition, and DVD Studio Pro 2 all support Dolby Digital. DVD Studio Pro 2 even apparently does 5.1!

    I have used Adobe Premiere for video editing and Adobe Encore for DVD authoring. Premiere is excellent, Encore is only at version 1.1 and still has some bugs.

    BTW, a handy chart for selecting an appropriate bitrate for your video can be found at:

    http://www.video2stream.com/using_the_adobe_mpeg _e ncoder.htm

    1. Re:Dolby Digital Support by log0 · · Score: 1

      Over in PAL land you can use MPEG Layer 2 for the audio. You can use it for NTSC discs too but it breaks the standard. It should play on any PAL or SVCD capable player though. Its not as good as AC3, but it still offers significant space savings.

    2. Re:Dolby Digital Support by fyonn · · Score: 1

      I've only once seen a dvd with mpeg audio on it, and you know, my surround sound pre-amp doesn't support it. perhaps it does and it was just a badly authored dvd (it was a silver).

      my preamp ID'd it as an mp3 stream rather than an mpeg audio stream but the dvd player doesn't understand mp3's.. maybe thats it?

      dave

      PS. preamp = rotel rsp1066

  78. DVD Copying software by kamapuaa · · Score: 1
    I'm surprised I'm not seeing this mentioned repeatedly, but for copying commercial DVD's, DVD Shrink (Windows Only) is a great program, quick, easy to use, and powerful, that always works. I use it in conjuction with Burnatonce, although it's more designed toward being used with Nero. You can get rid of the menus, or highly compress them, or whatever you want to do.

    dvdrhelp.com also has info and good tutorials on these (and other) programs, although you probably won't need them.

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  79. Pegasys Inc tools by thedji · · Score: 1

    These babies are my favourites, if you've designed your own buttons and such you can import them otherwise theres a range of sample layouts & buttons which have all the 'code' behind them pre-set.

    TMPGEnc DVD Source Creator - Good for converting a bunch of movies (of almost any source) to dvd-compliant MPEG2 to fit to size.
    TMPGEnc DVD Author - Awesome tool for taking your compliant MPEG2 files and assembling them into a fully compliant DVD (with VOBs, IFOs, BUPs, etc) with menus, etc.

    HTH.

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  80. "Build your own" in Linux--my steps in DVD making by Linuxathome · · Score: 5, Informative
    Shortest answer I can give you:
    1. Use kino to do the video editing, and output/export (i.e. save as) an MPEG-2 (DVD format). To get this to work you will most likely need Mplayer installed because you'll need the mplex commandline tool to "multiplex" your audio and video files. Some like to use transcode, but I like Mplayer much better. Split the MPEG into multiple MPEGs if you want to have different chapters -- the best way to do this is to use a commandline tool called mpgtx. Or just save different MPEGs from kino. BTW, if you need to get video footage to edit in the first place then use dvgrab to get video from your DV camcorder -- it should be a part of the kino suite of tools, but if it's not, get it from one of the pages in kino.
    2. Once you've gotten your MPEGs all created, now you can author. I use dvdauthor. What you have to first do is create a XML text file to list the MPEGs you want to burn into the DVD. And example of such a file is found here. The easiest method is to create a new chapter for each MPEG file. Then you run dvdauthor like so:
      dvdauthor -o DVDdir -x xml-filename
      DVDdir is the name of the output you want -- name doesn't really matter; xml-filename is the name of the text file you created.
    3. DVDdir will be a directory from which you then need to create a video ISO. You need the commandline tool mkisofs. Example is:
      mkisofs -dvd-video -o fileoutput.img DVDdir
    4. Now you just need to burn fileoutput.img with your DVD recorder. I use dvdrecord (yes, it's a commandline tool):
      dvdrecord -v -eject speed=4 dev=0,0,0 -dao fileoutput.img

    Yes, I'm a glutton for punishment. There are lots of steps involved to do it in Linux, but it's quite powerful once you've gotten the basics down and have written shell scripts to automate the tasks.

    If you find it difficult to install all these tools on your Linux box (as many do), may I recommend installing Debian linux? Best way to do this is to do a hard drive install from the Knoppix Live Linux CD. The scripts to do this are built-in the cd: knx-hdinstall or knoppix-installer. Why do I recommend it? Installing all the tools I have listed above are a simple apt-get away -- i.e. "apt-get install kino" or "apt-get install mpgtx" or "apt-get install dvdauthor" -- I mean how much easier can it get?

    Lastly, allow me to plug my blog that has documented this and a number of other linux tips ages ago: linuxathome.com
  81. Video Editing & DVD Creation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Buy a Mac, Final Cut Pro 4 and DVD Pro Studio.

    Linux is a joke when is comes to mutlimedia along with Winblows.

  82. My favorite menu creation method by mattweidner · · Score: 3, Informative
    I use a set of shell scripts collectively called dvdwizard created by Wolfgang Wershofen:

    THANKS WOLFGANG!!

    dvdwizard

    It's not GUI, but it does the trick with minimal effort, is mostly automatic, and has produced excellent results that fit my needs.

    Once you have your .vob files created (one .vob for each chapter) invoke the dvdwizard script and provide it with the following information:

    1. vmgm background image (static)
    2. vtsm background image (static)
    3. DVD title
    4. path to .vob files

    First, it creates a root vmgm menu with the DVD title specified above and the vmgm background image specified above. The two menu options provided are: "Play All" and "Chapter Select" menu.

    The script then extracts a thumbnail from each chapter and creates a chapter selection menu using the screenshots in a button matrix.

    It concatenates all your seperate chapters into one "movie" so you have the ability to play from beginning to end without returning to the "chapter selection" menu after each chapter finishes. It also drops in chapter markers for easy scene-to-scene navigation, just like a commercial DVD.

    It uses dvdauthor to then create the DVD filesystem. It would be trivial to add an automatic burn at the end, but I like to preview everything with xine first.

    Seemingly the only thing these scripts do not handle is animated menus.

    Since the author lives in Germany, it is hardcoded for PAL format video, but I have converted them for my NTSC needs.

    The scripts are GPL'd and my intention is to make the process as automatic as possible. I'd like to create a simple GUI for specifying the numbered items above and possibly add support for animated menus for my parents to use to archive all their old VHS tapes.

    I use Cinelerra for video editing, dvgrab and Kino for capture from a Canopus ADVC-50 or my JVC GR-500 Mini-DV camera. I use dv2dv, transcode, mplex, (or tcmplex) and ffmpeg to transcode the Quicktime .mov files used by Cinelerra to DVD compliant .vob files. Then, I use growisofs to actually burn the DVD.

    As a side note, by first converting my Quicktime files to raw DV with dv2dv from the dv_utils package first, I can transcode with ffmpeg to DVD compliant MPEG-2 format at a blistering average of 15 fps!!

    I've been very happy with this arrangement as most operations after the actual video editing is complete can be scripted.

    Hope this helps!

    mw
    --Peace be with you.
  83. TMPGEnc DVD Author and TMPGEnc by tchansen · · Score: 2, Informative

    for phorm, I don't have a good solution. However, in regard to the second question by smz420, I have found that TMPGEnc and TMPGEnc DVD Author are great tools.

    I have tried most of the different authoring tools mentioned above with limited VCD success and no DVD success (with the exception of Ulead, which I haven't tried yet). However, TMPGEnc DVD Author took my MPEG-1 files in VCD format and let me burn 20 of them (at 22.5 minutes each) to one DVD. Mind you, they weren't great quality to begin with but being able to put 450 minutes of video (Buzz Lightyear episodes for my son) on one disc was great.

    I have also used TMPGEnc to put a movie and TV episodes captured in DivX into MPEG-2 format and then burn it to disc with TMPGEnc DVD Author. Worked great!

    TMPGEnc DVD Author allows the user to create custom menus, move things around, change back grounds, et cetera. I haven't tried the easter egg stuff yet, but you never know. I've only made one coaster so far and that was my fault for trying to compile while burning.

    Both tools have wizards but TMPGEnc allows you to set it up without the wizard once you feel more comfortable. TMPGEnc DVD Author builds the DVD structure on your drive and then you can create an ISO, burn it to disc with the built in tool.

    With these tools, I've been able to build and burn DVDs of my captured TV shows (from satellite) at about 9 episodes per disc in great quality. If you go at low quality, 20 episodes per disc.

    You can buy them in a bundle or separately from http://www.pegasys-inc.com. And, no, I don't work for them.

    1. Re:TMPGEnc DVD Author and TMPGEnc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been able to build and burn DVDs of my captured TV shows (from satellite)

      Plus share them: Gnutella

      John Ashcrsoft told me this but said not to tell anyone.

  84. only on slashdot by ShadowRage · · Score: 2, Funny

    could you ask for a lightbulb and get the glass blowing machine, the parts, the filaments, how to make your own lamp booklet and how to wire your room to have electricity.. but never the lightbulb.

    1. Re:only on slashdot by Fjord · · Score: 1

      that's because you should have bought a house that came with a lightbulb!

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  85. Re:it wont help your problem... by mroch · · Score: 1

    Ooh, I hadn't seen Encore before. It looks pretty powerful, which doesn't surprise me coming from Adobe. Maybe I'll have to kill my uptime and go back to Windows to play with it... :)

  86. qdvdauthor by groundstate · · Score: 1

    QDVDAuthor (http://qdvdauthor.sourceforge.net/main.html) is really cool, and creates menus and jpeg slideshows along with videos. BTW, it's included in Mandrake 10 contribs by Yours Truly.

    1. Re:qdvdauthor by omega9 · · Score: 1

      Holy crap! The feature list for QDVDAuthor is amazing! From the website:


      What is possible so far with qdvdauthor ?

      * You can generate the main menu.
      * You can contribute to qdvdauthor.
      * That's it for now !!!

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    2. Re:qdvdauthor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, the list is outdated by now.

      check it out.

      BTW. you can still contribute ;)

  87. DVD authoring by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 4, Informative
    Echoing some people here:

    1. for windows: Scenarist if you have $ is simply the poop. Most ordinary citizens don't have the $, though, and if that's the case:
    2. for windows: Adobe Encore. It's fairly simple - more complex than iDVD, but somewhat easier than DVDSP2, and - it's WINDOWS ONLY. This does not bode well for Apple, as Adobe is carpet bombing all those "advertise on Daytime TV Art Schools" with the Adobe Video Solution, but that's a discussion for another day.

    There are other apps, but they're not as good as the two abbove. The above will cost you $, Scenarist more than Encore (by a lot). Deal with it.

    For Linux? Nemmind that stuff. None of it is as competent as Scenarist, and none of it is as easy to use as Encore. Sure: you save a few hundred dollars, but when you're sitting there QA testing your XML scripts and praying that the new DVD urner drivers work, your time will be worth MUCH more money than what you saved.

    By a similar argument, the Apple Way of Working is great and cheap. For $50 you can get iLife with the latest rev of iDVD, which is more than most people need for some stupid DVD of their cousin's sister's daughter's wedding that was shot on some cheeezy Canon ZR10. 9 times out of 10, you can get away with iMovie and iDVD and *no one* will notice or care. Now, you'll need to get an Apple computer, but most anything built in the past year or two will do fine, and you can pick 'em up at somewhat less than extortionate prices these days...

    I've been doing DVD authoring for years, and back around 2002 I figured that I wasn't going to beat my head against the wall anymore - it was faster, cheaper, and easier to get a mac and get it done than try and get my Windoze machine to jump the hoops at a reasonable price.

    Oddly, and contrary to what some people have posted, this really is a situation where the OS matters.

    So, in short:
    Windows:

    1. Scenarist if you can afford it. It does everything, but it's really complicated.
    2. Encore if you can't or won't do Scenarist.

    Windows isn't the optimal solution for this, so consider a Macintosh.

    1. iLife w/ iDVD is supercheap and very very good.
    2. If you need to do more advanced work, DVD Studio Pro does the job.

    Linux:

    Simply: it's not ready for prime time, and given the complexity of the problem it may never be. Yes, there are solutions out there, but you'll burn a lot of creative time dorking around with code when you could be getting work done. I would LOVE IT if there was an adequate solution out there, though - free or cheap software on a free OS on a cheap computer? Floats my boat. But I'm not holding my breath.

    RS

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  88. If time weren't an issue... by apotropaic · · Score: 1

    Why not learn yourself how a DVD is made? What file structure & what files a dvd-player wants. Write scripts to avoid repetative tasks. But that is basically all these programs do. They write the files that a dvd-player requires, in the structure they need to be in. But thats for the menus, as far as the whole package with video stream & menus... you CAN do this in linux too using existing command-line programs

    HOWTO - author AVI -> DVD with menus in linux

    Yea... kinda geeky, and you will need to build a lot of scripts until somebody (OR you!) makes some sorta GUI version of it all.

  89. dvd authoring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    have you tried director mx

  90. Since you're most likely in an x86 style box... by ajservo · · Score: 1

    And not an Apple. I can freely recommend ReelDVD, which is a VERY robust DVD authoring app that doesn't pander with wizards, EZ buttons, and such. It's pricy, Approx $500-600, but worth every penny if you want to use these DVD's to make money.

  91. GET REEL DVD! by ajservo · · Score: 1

    It's as costly as Encore, and a MUCH better authoring program, with a much better looking DVD as your end result. I only use encore when People need to know how to use encore. Otherwise it's junk compared to ReelDVD

  92. DVD Wizard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have used a little know script called dvd wizard (linux). If you just want basic menus this is a great tool!

    The link to dvdwizard is...
    http://www.wershofen.de/downloads/dvdwizard .tar.gz

    good luck!

  93. DVD authoring is not complicated. by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

    It's about as complex as the combination of:
    1) a drag-n-drop ISO creation tool (not even necessarily a burning tool) with the ability to read MPEG2 headers
    2) the image split for web plug-in in the Gimp.
    3) The "storyboard" mode of openoffice.

    You can do it with scripts and the gimp. Check the latest Linux Journal. What you mostly miss from the graphical GUI apps is the ability to interactively layout/preview. But with a little forethought, the GIMP and a command line IFO creation tool are just as useful.

    We'll see a free, good DVD authoring tool soon enough, once more people have MPEG2 quality video lying around and DVD burners become more commonplace.

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  94. Re:it wont help your problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    If you meant DVD Studio Pro, then you'd be wrong. DVD Studio Pro (and iDVD for that matter, they share a common core) was based on Astarte's DVD authoring program. But there's been a LOT of work done on it since then, Astarte's software has been buried under a whole new interface and expanded with a ton of new capabilities.

    Personally, I'm confused as to how you could be confused.

    iDVD - Consumer DVD authoring app, bundled with new systems, or available seperately as part of iLife
    DVD Studio Pro - Prosumer/Professional DVD authoring app
    iMovie - Consumer video editing app
    Final Cut Pro Express - Prosumer video editing app
    Final Cut Pro - Professional video editing app

    Going beyond that...

    iTunes - MP3 encoder/player
    iPhoto - Digital photo album organizer, importer, and who knows what else (I'd never pay for it)
    GarageBand - Consumer music/MIDI creation/editing app
    iCal - Calendar & Task organizer, network aware & all that fun stuff
    iSync - Synchronize data between desktop & palmtops, phones, etc.

    Yeah, that's incredibly confusing compared to Microsoft's product lineup. Er. Wait. Not!

  95. Adobe Encore DVD by Sleetan · · Score: 1

    Adobe's Encore DVD is a fairly powerful DVD editor.

    You can make pro quality dvds with it. However, it has a bit of a learning curve though. It even allows for movie clips as backgrounds and as thumbnail buttons. It's also Adobe Quality "pricing", but if nothing else you can download a 30 day trial version to play around with.

  96. Global Image support? by blackeye · · Score: 1

    Anyone know a good dvd burning program that burns both .iso's and .gi's?

  97. Windows DVD Authoring Software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All, I have had the same problem. I have used just about every one for windows and most are crap. However, I didn't see anyone mention Pinnacle Studio 8 (or the newer 9) I have found the program for around $80 at Best Buy and the upgrade for the 200+ special transitions was worth it for $100 more. I have been able to do everything I had hoped and much more. Mostly it is how much time you want to spend. Check it out at www.pinnaclesys.com. By the way I don't work for them just enjoy their product.

  98. Obligatory RTFA by ebbomega · · Score: 2, Informative

    Authoring != Copying.

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  99. A few words to the wise by spoonboy42 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Authoring video DVDs on linux is more than a little difficult, these days. That said, with a little command line knowledge and some good old-fashioned ingenuity, you can accomplish much.

    I found this article to be a good starting point. The beginning of the article assumes that you'll be working with a framegrabber and generating MJPEG video with appropriate resolution/framerate, etc. Unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect world, so you'll actually need to transcode your videos into the MJPEG format before you do the MPEG2 encoding. I find that mencoder is usually the best way to accomplish this:

    mencoder -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mjpeg -oac copy -vf scale=720:480 -sws 9 your_file.avi -o mjpeg_stream.avi

    Note that the above command assumes you are making a DVD for NTSC (US/Canada/Japan) format. If you use PAL, you'll want 720:576 as your resolution and 25 fps as your framerate instead. If you're encoding from a film (24 fps) source, try applying the telecine filter, as well (add ",telecine" after the scale command, and set "-ofps 29.97). This method of framerate conversion is the standard for cinematic DVDs.

    Now, I know you're asking, why not use mencoder to encode the MPEG2 stream directly and skip the middleman? Well, I've tried this, and it isn't possible for a couple of reasons. The first is bandwidth control. Although mencoder will accept a bitrate option for MPEG2 encoding, it is not conscious of the buffering assumptions of the DVD standard, and will produce streams that will encounter buffer underruns in hardware DVD players. The second problem is that an MPEG2 program stream for a DVD must contain empty navigation packets (these get filled in when you create the actual vobs), which mencoder won't create. C'est la vie.

    It's worth noting that you can get at more advanced bitrate control options for libavcodec's MPEG2 encoder by using lavc's native transcoding application, ffmpeg. At least, theoretically you can. My version of ffmpeg 0.4.7 doesn't seem to include mpeg2 as a possible output format, even though it's accessible through mencoder. Go figure.

    OK, let's move on to our friend mpeg2enc. The first thing you'll notice is that it's slow. Really slow. Especially compared to mencoder. You'll live, though. Take a nap or something. The instructions in the article will give you a stream that's perfectly fine for DVD encoding, but it's definitely worth looking at the manpage as well. One of the most important things you'll learn there is that mpeg2enc takes arguments for both aspect ratio and framerate of incoming movies. Add the option "-a n" to the command given in the article, substituting 2 for n if your video is in the 4:3 aspect ratio (regular TV), 3 if it is 16:9 (letterbox widescreen format, most movies), or 4 for 2.21:1 (cinemascope widescreen, movies shot in panoramic view). The "-F n" command specifies the framerate. IF you are using PAL or SECAM, always use 3. If you are using NTSC, always use 4. Anything else will make you cry. Finally, you can add the "-p" option if you have 24 fps input video that you intend for NTSC viewing, and you didn't already have mencoder apply telecine. I actually prefer to have mpeg2enc do telecine, as that way you are certain to avoid A/V sync problems.

    Moving right along, the article tells you how to use the dvd authoring tools to eventually get an iso file ready to burn. It should be noted that the image you have ready won't have menus or other niceties. For sooth! Lucky for you, you actually can include these things, but it won't exactly be easy. Now that you know the basics of encoding for the DVD format, this guide can instruct you on how to add things like menus and whatnot. Anyway, once you get the iso file ready to go, I highly recommend you burn it with KDE's excellent K3B, unless you have an attachment to the command line too

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  100. DVD Burning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A person should not have to mess around with a terminal to burn a silly DVD.

    Rules
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    (2) See rule 1

  101. k3b? by readme.txt · · Score: 1

    What about k3b www.k3b.org? It's for Linux and as far as I remeber it can also burn DVDs. -red

  102. however.... by bani · · Score: 3, Informative

    tmpgenc isnt very good, especially for interlaced source material. it has a lot of bells and whistles and blinky lights though.

    Cinemacraft Encoder Basic (http://www.visiblelight.com/mall/productview.aspx ?sku=CCEB) is probably the best mpeg2 encoder you can get for under $2000. And its only $60. it is also miles, miles faster than tmpgenc.

    when it comes to absolute quality, eg converting out-of-print laserdiscs which will never be released on dvd, i use cinemacraft basic to encode the video.

    disclaimer: i have purchased both tmpgenc and cce basic and used both extensively for years.

    1. Re:however.... by ShavenYak · · Score: 1

      Not to mention, that the TMPGEnc "DVD Source Creator" that's available bundled with DVD-Lab seems to lack some of the features of the full-blown TMPGEnc. I've been using TMPGEnc on the trial basis, when my 30 days expire I'm going to try CCE.

      What sucks is I haven't found a legal, reasonably-priced AC3 encoder. I don't want to use MPEG audio because of spotty player support, and LPCM takes up too much space. I've had success with using ffmpeg, but it's not licensed by Dolby so who knows whether it's creating compliant streams?

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    2. Re:however.... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      What kind of setup are you using for converting your laserdiscs? I for one want to copy my Pink Floyd 'Pulse' LD to watch till they someday put it out on DVD...I've got a pretty good Pioneer LD player...how do you get content from player, to hard drive?

      Any links to info on this? I'm just looking into doing video/audio stuff like this...and am complete noob.

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    3. Re:however.... by bani · · Score: 1

      http://geocities.com/mmelancholic/lddvd/guide_main .html

      instead of a canopus, i use a Sony DVMC-DA2 picked up from ebay.

      instead of tmpgenc, i use cinemacraft cce basic.

      instead of sonic dvdit, i use ulead dvd workshop.

      use whatever works for you. the steps in the guide should help.

  103. Re:"Build your own" in Linux--my steps in DVD maki by jcr · · Score: 1

    There are lots of steps involved to do it in Linux, but it's quite powerful once you've gotten the basics down and have written shell scripts to automate the tasks.

    You're not just talking about DVD authoring now...

    -jcr

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  104. Sonic Foundry by withinavoid · · Score: 1

    Sorry I do not know of any good authoring tools for Linux, but I too would be interested. Although I hope to just get a new G5 soon.

    I end up using windows and Sonic Foundry's products. Or I should say 'Sony' now. I've tried lots of video editing apps from high-end to low-end. The best one I found was Vegas Video without a doubt. Its not cheap however, but not as much as Premiere, and its definitely more usable and has good plugin support. For authoring DVDs I use their DVD Architect software. I've been able to make some really nice menus with it.

  105. Hardware Compatibilty by borgasm · · Score: 1

    How about some remarks about hardware compatibility and Linux.

    I have heard some burners don't play nicely with the Penguin.

  106. The mac comments come for a reason by ThousandStars · · Score: 3, Insightful
    If someone wrote in asking "I need a reliable server for my small to medium-sized business, and I don't have a lot of money -- just for e-mail, host my database-driven website and little else. I haven't bought Windows, but that's all I really want. What should I get?" Everyone would scream LINUX because that's probably the best solution for the situation.

    I use Windows on a day-to-day basis, but I've met lots of people who swear by iMovie, FCE and FCP.

    He didn't ask for OS advice, but if the poster wants to make great DVDs in as little time as possible, I've heard only positive things about one OS and a few programs.

  107. Re:it wont help your problem... by Phekko · · Score: 1

    ...except that it has a $499 pricetag and only works on a Mac. Other than that, it's just what he's looking for.

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  108. DVDLAB for pc by TheMagnetar · · Score: 1

    very cheap and allows you to do anything u see on a pro disc....

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    1. Re:DVDLAB for pc by frambris · · Score: 1

      Well, it can do the stuff you see on the basic discs. But not have mutiple titles, mix 16:9, 4:3, have multiple audiotracks, subitles etc. But I really like this software. It's doesn't ruin you and it will get you through until there's a better authoring soft for Linux.

  109. Re:"Build your own" in Linux--my steps in DVD maki by EngMedic · · Score: 1

    for redhat users, apt-for-rpm port is available at freshRPMS

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  110. How is the subtitle support? by Zarhan · · Score: 1

    Hey, you can probably tell if this thing has a subtitle support?

    The doc says that you can use "spumux spumux.xml < input.mpg > output.mpg" to add subtitles to your mpg, but it does not really elaborate. Because there is no option to select subtitle numbering or anything, this leads me to believe that the subtitles are burned into the image and not really selectable (on/off) in the DVD player.

    Actually, our application for subtitles is to do a vacation DVD from trip to Australia with friends (Dec 2002 Solar Eclipse), with a running text commentary that can be turned on or off from the DVD player...so texts that are hard"burned" into the image are really not what we're looking for..

    Can you comment on this?

    1. Re:How is the subtitle support? by Zarhan · · Score: 1

      Oh crap. Did not read the man page for spumux at http://dvdauthor.sourceforge.net/doc/spumux.html. Didn't notice that right away, anyway. It seems you can do subtitles, this is nice.

  111. Cause and effect by RomulusNR · · Score: 2, Insightful

    $60 is pricey? Jesus, man, no wonder so many IT jobs are being offshored

    No, $60 is pricey because we're all forced to take cheaper jobs since our last decent paying ones got offshored.

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  112. Mandrake 10 DVD writing. by Jafar00 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I don't have Mandrake 10 downloaded yet, but according to press releases I have read, they have put DVD writing ability into K3B as of Mandrake 10. I use K3B for all my CD writing on my current Mandrake 9.2 system and I am more than happy with it. If the DVD writing performance is on par with the CD writing in K3B, I'm sure you would like it too :)

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    1. Re:Mandrake 10 DVD writing. by TimeZone · · Score: 2, Informative

      DVD burning ain't the same as authoring. I haven't used the new K3b, but it's probably good for backups or burning the DVD video iso images you create via other means (like dvdauthor). I really doubt that K3b has DVD authoring tools built into it.
      TZ

  113. Turn divx into dvds by metal_priest · · Score: 1

    mkdvd rocks. It's a handy little script to reencode any mplayer-playble movie into a dvd. Works like a charm.
    Very convenient for those those movies that need to be watched on the big screen.

  114. Flash Platform and MPEG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, as far as I'm informed, DVD menuing is done through a series of altered MPG standards, to include basic flow control.

    Could there be some simple way to take a SWF movie (perhaps with a limited set of operations) and compile it down to the same flow control this MPG standard uses? If so, that would seem to be a simple, platform independent way of authoring DVDs.

    -mmt

  115. Menus by ttsalo · · Score: 2
    Also, how do menus degrade the quality of the movie?

    I just want to see the movie, not run through a friggin' obstacle course first. It's so pleasant to remaster DVDs with Ifoedit's "Movie only" option. Stick the resulting DVD into a player and BAM! the movie starts playing right away. Subtitles and audio tracks are easily changed from the remote. I wish all DVDs were like this, and the menu could be accessed through the "menu"-button in the remote, in case you want to see those crappy Making of -commercials and trailers.

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  116. Linux - for DV to DVD, use Kino by madsdyd · · Score: 1

    If you want to use Linux, and your sources are DV, use Kino CVS. Given that the required programs are installed (mostly ffmpeg, dvdauthor, growisofs) you can export your movie from Kino to a finished DVD (with chapters) in a single step.

    While this DVD will not have a menu, you can also export to an non-finished DVD, where all the chapters will be marked up, and you can exit the dvdauthor XML to include menus, etc.

    The last point is not as easy as point and click, and will take some time, but if you want to use Linux, I think its the best/easiest solution at the moment.

    Disclaimer: I have contributed code to Kino.

  117. iDVD by j0n4th4nb34r · · Score: 1

    As you might have guessed by my .sig i'm a mac user, but you make a very good first point. On behalf of mac users everywhere, sorry.

    I went down to my girlfriends art department the other day, and besides showing her the wonders of the network, which it seems art students were not previously aware. (read into this taking files between networked computers on an external hard disc). I had the chance to play around with their copy of DVD studio pro, which was a very nice bit of software to use. It has a nice clean interface and was simple to use for the basic interface that I created in a few minutes. Would be interested to know what people think of it for creating more complex structures. The only downside of this is that now i need enough money to replace my long served original iBook.

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  118. Re:"Build your own" in Linux--my steps in DVD maki by G�tz · · Score: 2, Informative

    Small correction: the mplex program isn't from MPlayer but from mjpegtools.

  119. Re:Useful Programs *Not Necessarily for DVD Author by budhaboy · · Score: 1
    You forgot to mention the easy to use front end to transcode:

    kino.

  120. Closed source == pain by risacher · · Score: 1
    Here's a little story about the pain of closed source:

    I bought an ATA DVD burner largely for data backups and had it direct-attached to my Linux machine. I used it this way for months. I also have a Powerbook G4. At some point, I borrowed an ieee1394 (Firewire) camcorder, and I got iLife so I could make home-movie DVDs. Transferring my home video to the powerbook was a breeze. iMovie was very easy to use for editing the video. I anticipated that I would use iMovie/iDVD to master an ISO that I could scp to the Linux box for burning.

    Alas, iDVD claimed it wouldn't even start without the "correct hardware present". I assumed that meant a DVD burner. So I bought a firewire enclosure for the drive, and a ieee1394 card for the linux machine, and I was all set up to share the DVD drive. Except that really, iDVD won't run without an Apple Superdrive present. (The error message didn't tell me that; I had to google for that.")

    In the end, I used Kino, dvdauthor, and growisofs to make my first home-DVD. The fact that I bought the ieee1394 enclosure was a waste of money caused by Apple's insistence on iron-fist control.

    Sure, iMovie and iDVD are easier and quicker to learn than the open-source tools. But the open source tools wouldn't have caused me to waste time and money buying hardware, and hours editing video with a tool that ultimately I had to abandon (iMovie). It took some doing to learn how to use kino and dvdauthor to do what I wanted. But less time than it took to ship the DVD enclosure and reconfigure all my hardware.

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  121. Save yourself a headache - get a Mac! by Kunt · · Score: 1

    Just get a new Mac. Quit futzing around the computer and focus on the fun stuff, the creative part! :) If you owned a Power Mac, by this time you'd be making movies.

  122. Real men... by todesengel · · Score: 1

    Author their DVDs by command line!

  123. DVD Architect by MAFIAA · · Score: 1

    I use SONY (formerly Sonic Foundry) DVD architect in WinXP as there's no Linux solution I've found yet. A good app that seems to give you pretty much total control over what you need with menu's and everything. Various places to get (..errr PURCHASE - Ed) it I suppose including Bit Torrent *cough*...

    It doesnt seem to do AC3 though... maybe it needs a plugin for that.. anyone??

    For 'FAIR USE' backups DVDShrink (latest ver will burn using NERO if you have it installed) seems good though 'I have heard' that it won't do The Italian Job (that new-fangled one, not the proper Michael Caine one)

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  124. Ultra-Powerful and FREE Linux Authoring Software by Dairyland.Net · · Score: 1

    Heroine Virtual Ltd. offers one of the most advanced "content creation systems" available, called Cinelerra. It runs on Linux, and it's FREE!! It's not for the faint of heart, but you'll have the power of the big boys.

  125. write DVD-R/-RW on a DVD+R/+RW ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    by the way.. is there a way to burn DVD-R/-RW on a DVD+R/+RW like mine PHILIPS DVDRW416 ??

  126. it's linux! be a man! by WebMasterJoe · · Score: 1

    Why would you need anything more than mkdvdisofs, vi, and a little creative piping and redirection? I'm disappointed in you, sir. Real men put the bits in right where they want them... in the basement of mom's house on a Friday night.

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    1. Re:it's linux! be a man! by Fjord · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of an arguement at University I once heard:

      One guy: Real programmers use C!
      Next guy: Real programmers use assembler!
      Last guy: Real programmers cat > a.out

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  127. That *is* encouraging by mwood · · Score: 1

    What would make commercial DVDs truly beautiful to me is exactly a lack of cutesy-poo random-walk menu placement and other intrusive malarkey. It sounds like the OS tools are just what I want!

  128. MKDVD Does it all in one !! by megalex · · Score: 1

    I use mkdvd that with just 1 command will convert any movie that mplayer can play into a DVD ISO image or burn it directly to a DVD. http://freshmeat.net/projects/mkdvd/

    1. Re:MKDVD Does it all in one !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does it let you create custom menus, too? If not, then it's not DVD authoring software. Creating DVD ISOs from video files is not the same as DVD authoring.

  129. My Mac Video Project Stalled, Linux to the rescue? by FreeUser · · Score: 0, Troll

    Yes, we are all aware of how much better the mac is at dvd authoring, but for various reasons many of us are tied to x86 win/linux world.

    I have a Mac Powerbook 17" (and an external 200MB firewire drive for extra storage). I am quite familiar with the DVD authoring tools on Mac, but am unwilling to shell out an addition $1000 for the professional version of iDVD (or its similiarly priced competing product). The iMovie and iDVD software that came with my system should be sufficient.

    Alas it is not.

    I have had the system hang during burns (despite turning off the powersave features that are supposed to be the cause of this), I have successfully burned numerous DVDs only to have them hang during playback on both commercial players and other non-Apple systems.

    Far from being a timesaver, I would have been better off sticking with Linux from the beginning for this project. (As an aside, I do not regret buying the powerbook, as I like the apple hardware and plan to install Linux on it when I get the time, and I do like the eye candy. The powerbook is the nicest laptop hardware wise I've seen, and the other Apple software, such as iTunes, is unparalleled.)

    Now I am gearing up to attempt the project once again, this time using GNU and Linux software (making this /. article very timely).

    I like Apple's products, but the Apple zealots and astroturfers are here in force just like their Microsoft equivelents, and they are not shy about modding posts criticial of Apple into oblivion. Even someone who is a fan of their products, and who has recommended their platform to more than one person who wishes to move away from Microsoft and isn't ready for Linux get's silenced if they do not toe the party line, it seems.

    In any event, the meme that Apple is superior to Linux for video editing is not born out of my experience, and I am a very experienced engineer and user of Windows, UNIX, Linux, and Apple, so this is not some niave user error. This is buggy software, and for my home videos (taken from a Sony firewire video camera and edited only slightly) it doesn't work very well at all. I have already had better luck with dvgrab and transcode under Linux, and will be trying out the suggestions mentioned in this thread RSN.

    So yes, Apple is good. But not that good (unless you pony up even more cash), and the assumption that it is superior to Linux for these sorts of tasks is premature at best, and certainly not a given.

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  130. What about Vegas? (Windows) by tbase · · Score: 1

    To the guy that said $60 was "pricey", don't bother reading this. Vegas is expensive. But if you compare the prices of "consumer" MiniDV cameras at around $500 or less, to "prosumer" ones in the thousands, anything under $1000 for DVD authoring should be considered a bargain (IMHO).

    Check out this review. Now sold by Sony Pictures Digital Media Software, it's originally by Sonic Foundry, makers of some seriously kick-butt audio software. It's under $600, or about $800 if you get the version with the Dolby Certified AC-3 Encoder. Definitely worth checking out.

    Now before you all flame me, he did say "prosumer" and that he would consider Windows software. Given those two consideration, I chose to ignore the cost factor :-) But seriously, for what you get, this is an incredible deal, as far as I'm conscerned. And if you're a student, check out Pricewatch for some great Academic version pricing. Even if you had to go with an older version, I'd recommend it.

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  131. TmpgEnc by Barny · · Score: 0

    Found these tools to be the best both in price and features.

    http://www.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/tda.html

    Some good features:
    * auto mpg sound conversion
    * full motion menus/buttons
    * integrated burning software
    * can import ac3 audio files
    * cheap

    Bad things (might be good, judge for yourself):
    * does not encode avi-mpg, need seperate program
    * VERY strict on formating of files (no svcd-as-dvd, gop structureing, etc)
    * does not convert normal audio to ac3 (needs addon)
    * costs money

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  132. -1 troll post by eadint · · Score: 1

    I use idvd for my stuf and its free with my os, oh im sory i use a mac

    1. Re:-1 troll post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      oh im sory i use a mac

      Most flaming homosexuals do.

  133. Re:DVD authoring by DaveCBio · · Score: 1

    You left out a whole raft of mid-range consumer and prosumer apps. There are quite a few apps on Windows that will do the job as good as iDVD. I thinkit's a bit much to expect someone that is looking for a low cost alternative to conider Encore, Scenarist or getting a Mac. I suggest that he pick up a copy of Videomaker or Camcorder and Computer Video mag, I have found their articles very informative.

  134. Re:blah blah apple rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so true.

  135. DVD's are so yesterdays technology by Snaller · · Score: 1

    Just stream it from your harddrive using your XCard :)

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  136. Re:iMovie (CLI) by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Well, I have Xwindows and KDE running on all my linux boxes at home...and for things graphical, they are great. But, I find the more and more, I use command line tools more and more. The ability to pipe them together, and write scripts to put them together in coherent and repeatable ways has impressed me greatly.

    I do use both...but, I find more and more, as I get used to the commandline tools I use more and more..I can do things MUCH faster command line than I could GUI. I find many times, I use the GUI just to have a number of XTerms up at the same time...and so easy to cut and paste between the (highlight with mouse, middle click to paste it)...

    I do a lot of database work...and I've grown so impressed with how powerful command line and the ability to pipe the commands together are....I get some pretty crappy data people throw together in excel files...I dump them to a CSV field...and with tools like sed and awk..sometimes perl...I can do quick and dirty manipulations to clean the data (get rid of stupid CR/LF's in text fields)...and get the data in a form to load into Oracle or whatever db.

    So...like anything, it takes a little effort, yes..but, the rewards are there. It is analagous of when I started on windows....just using a mouse for everything...then, someone showed me keyboard shortcuts...that helped me start flying through work. The CLI of Linux/Unix is like that type revelation, except it exceeds that one by about 4 levels of magnitude.

    So...just a matter of learning a new paradigm. No one is forcing anyone to use Linux over windows...if someone is so inclined to switch...they need to have the will to learn. If someone STARTS out doing more CLI and using a Linux environment...then, it is really no harder to learn that MS stuff...

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  137. Re:DVD authoring by swv3752 · · Score: 1

    How is this troll labeled insightful?

    He subtly attacks Linux. He recommends some Windows software, then says Mac is better. The question was about Linux and if necessary Windows software, there was nothing about computers in general or Macs specifically.

    There is nothing overly complex about authoring DVDs. The filesystem is well documented. It is quite possible to do it all manually. Of course you need to spend some time learning to use Linux. Any software package significantly more complex than notepad you will need to learn how to use. As far as wasteing time- either you are doing it once in blue moon and hence it doesn't matter if you spend a bit of time futz around with it or you do it often and learn the steps. If you can't remember the steps you took before then you must be a complete idiot or mentally retarded.

    And Linux is not about free (implying gratis), but about Free (implying Freedom). Now that I have finished ranting about trolls, I will added something usefull.

    If you want to test it before burning, simple- mount the iso image as a loopback file and fire up Ogle or Xine or Mplayer or VideoLAN or...you get the picture.

    Others have already mentioned various authoring packages for Linux- DVDauthor seems to be the highest quality. I haven't had a chance to use these yet as I do not have a dvd burner.

    I have used some of the Video editing apps for Linux, and they seem more than sufficent for most people.

    If you really insist on Windows software then try Sonic MyDVD. It is very configurable, but I personally hate the interface. It was relatively inexpensive, if I remember right. A bit more limited package, but a nicer interface and much easier to use is Sony's Click to DVD. CTD handles menus only as themes, but comes with a couple dozen themes. It does currently only come bundled with Sony Vaio's. CTD does handle capturing analog video as well if the Vaio has an analgo capture board (Either XP Media Center or GigaPocket).

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  138. Re:it wont help your problem... by Trillan · · Score: 1

    That's exactly what I said, if you actually read my post. I said the software Apple turned into their DVD app originally had a Windows application.

    Obviously, turning it into Apple's DVD app involved a hell of a lot of changes.

  139. Re:it wont help your problem... by Trillan · · Score: 1

    Also, I'm confused about how you could be confused about me being confused. :)

    There isn't really that much involved in setting up a DVD after you've taken care of the movies. So why are there two different DVD burning apps? What's the real difference?

    And why three video editing apps?

  140. Re:DVD authoring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For Windows-based solutions priced in the $700 range ("prosumer" market), check out the following:

    http://www.videoguys.com/RT5.html

  141. HELP : Quicktime MOV to MPEG ? by flyingace · · Score: 1

    Is there a way to convert quicktime movs to mpegs in Linux. I know could buy software to do this in Windows.

    Just wondering, coz this would help me convert all my MOVs from my digital camera to VCD/DVDs !!

    1. Re:HELP : Quicktime MOV to MPEG ? by drfreak · · Score: 1

      Sure, just tell transcode to use MPlayer for input when you convert the file.

  142. Sonic MyDVD 5.2 does AC3 for $50 by balamw · · Score: 1

    Sonic MyDVD

    Balam
    1. Re:Sonic MyDVD 5.2 does AC3 for $50 by bani · · Score: 1

      it accepts ac3, it doesnt encode it.

      the license fee for ac3 patents alone is about $150, so you won't be seeing a $50 ac3 encoder, sorry.

    2. Re:Sonic MyDVD 5.2 does AC3 for $50 by balamw · · Score: 1

      You're wrong, and so am I. The AC-3 encoder is in the deluxe version of the product, available for $70. http://www.sonic.com/products/mydvd/deluxe/default .asp

      "Dolby Digital(R) encoding for 50% more video per disc"

      Balam
    3. Re:Sonic MyDVD 5.2 does AC3 for $50 by VirtualSerendipity · · Score: 1

      I have a Sony DVD burner (DRU-510A). It was bundled with a basic version of Sonic MyDVD. MyDVD has an option that would make it transcode audio to AC3 stereo for imported MPEG2 video files. I would post a image of the options window, but I don't want my site to get slashdotted. :)

      As a DVD authoring program, I wasn't too impressed with the bundled MyDVD. After digging around for other software, I ended up purchasing the DVDlab/EditStudio/MPEG XS codec bundle mediachance offers. I have been very pleased with DVDlab and EditStudio, especially for the price of the bundle. Most consumer-level DVD authoring and video editing software seems to be very basic with a dumbed-down interface. DVD-lab and EditStudio have a lot more features and don't treat the user like a simpleton.

      My current process of building a DVD (mostly from home movie captures) is to edit the video in EditSTudio and render an MPEG2 stream with PCM audio. I use MyDVD to build a 'dummy' DVD project to the hard drive. I have MyDVD set to transcode imported MPEG2 audio streams to AC3 stereo. After that is complete, I use DVDlab to demux the vob files created by MyDVD and then proceed to build my 'real' DVD project with DVDlab. Compressing the audio to AC3 stereo results in very compatable DVD discs (MP2 audio for DVD is not part of the standard for NTSC and not all players will support it. See the DVD FAQ) and the compression of about 12:1 on the audio streams leaves more room for higher bitrate (i.e. higher quality) video streams.

      I have looked at stand-alone AC3 encoders, but they are very expensive, even for basic stereo encoding. The freeware encoders seem to be very buggy and are probably illegal since they aren't licensed by Dolby Labs. So far the cheapest AC3 encoding solution for me has been using the MyDVD bundleware.

    4. Re:Sonic MyDVD 5.2 does AC3 for $50 by balamw · · Score: 1

      This is exactly what I was planning on doing myself, just using MyDVD as the AC-3 encoder and using *anything* else to actually master the DVD (I even prefer Nero to MyDVD, though DVDlab sounds very appealing). My current (prior to MyDVD 5.2) process is to use Scenalyzer to grab the video, TMPGEnc to MPEG-2 VBR, and then Nero to VOB.

      NOTE: It looks as though there may be another low cost AC-3 DVD authoring alternative to MyDVD in TMPGEnc DVD Author 1.5/AC-3 plug-in. for $90. Unfortunately for me the plug in not compatible with TMPGEnc Plus 2.5, and requires periodic license checks.

      B
  143. good linux dvd how-to by bmedwar · · Score: 1

    Good Howto with scripts.

    --
    --Brian
  144. Like you'd have to for linux? Cheap shot, Dewd. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, Dewd, you know, the flap of skin on
    an elephant's butt?

  145. Linux DVD Authoring and Subtitles by __aanhjr1420 · · Score: 1

    I have a blog that covers DVD authoring on Linux. Primarily it is concerned with creating a subtitled DVD from video shot on a digital camcorder. (Hearing loss runs in my family.) It also touches on transcoding, automated menu creation and other peripheral topics. What's different about it is that rather than try to be an authoritative source (which I'm not), I've chronicled my efforts, error messages and all.

  146. Ulead by Grifter · · Score: 1

    Check out software made by Ulead. They need lots of patches but work great.

  147. Re:DVD authoring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    ...and praying that the new DVD urner (sic) drivers work

    In this statement, you've revealed quite how little you know about Linux.

    I installed Fedora Core 1 last November. I bought my new DVD Burner earlier this year. Did I need to worry about whether the drivers work? Nope. Did I need to install any drivers? Nope.

    My new DVD Burner worked with Fedora Core 1 OUT OF THE BOX. Within 10 minutes, I was burning my first DVD. Within an hour, I was using a swish GUI to burn DVDs (K3b, Check It Out).

    I'll agree that Linux isn't quite there yet in a number of areas. This is just one area where it excels.

  148. Looking in the wrong place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    not much support for buttons, animated menus/backgrounds, and all the other things that make commercial

    If you want animated backgrounds I suggest you buy a video game.

    If you want to write DVDs, I suggest you check out dvdauthor, mpegtools, and dvdrecord.

  149. MOD UP!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well said!!!! To all the annoying Mac iDiots who keep posting about iDvd: I'm happy that your Macs didn't go, like, bee-bee-bee-bee-bee-beep and , like, eat your video files, but you really shoud take your worthless advice elsewhere.

  150. windows dvd authoring tools come with DRM!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You will find that the windows dvd authoring tools
    offered after 2002 all come with some sort of
    malware not related to what you want to do with the
    dvd recorder that you bought.
    Intervideo comes with a web based spy. You have
    to internet register and activate your software on
    installation or the software will not install. You
    agree on pain of non installation that intervideo
    and/or its agents and assigns can remotely monitor
    all your internet activity AND your computer activity. You might as well take your maching to
    them and donate it to them.
    Nero burning rom has a very long and onerous
    license that includes you requirement to be bound
    by other agreements to third party DRM providers
    that are not named.....and for you to be required
    to accept continual and unnannounced internet
    'upgrades' to their DRM applications that will now
    reside as a parasite on YOUR machine. Again you
    might as well take your machine to redmond and
    hand it to them. It will no longer be yours, and
    your privacy will be at an end! That is nero
    version 6 and above. Vers 5.5 and below is
    better, but stupid about DVDs.

  151. Re:My Mac Video Project Stalled, Linux to the resc by laird · · Score: 1

    "So yes, Apple is good. But not that good (unless you pony up even more cash), and the assumption that it is superior to Linux for these sorts of tasks is premature at best, and certainly not a given."

    Well, I think that you're in for an unpleasant surprise. I'm sure that you could author a DVD under Linux if you really work at it, pretty much everyone doing professional video and DVD production is using Mac's. Yes, there are exceptions, and it's possible to do this work under Windows as well, but in general the best, most predictable tools for getting this sort of work done are on the Mac.

    As far as DVD-R's that burn but don't play on a DVD player, you should keep in mind that some DVD players won't play DVD-R's, the same way that a few years back some CD players wouldn't play CD-R's, but that has nothing to do with the authoring platform - DVD-R's are optically slightly different from pressed DVD's, and some players can't deal with it. So you might want to check a few different players, and a few different brands of DVD-R's, to see if there's a combination that works more reliably for you. It's a pain, but a symptom of the relative immaturity of the DVD-R market (like CD-R's a few years back). Changing to Linux, etc., won't help with media and reader optics. And DVD+R is less compatible with DVD players, so no joy there.

    I don't know what has been causing your problems burning DVD's, as they don't sound typical, but my experience is that using Mac's for this sort of work is far more productive than PC's. Yes, Mac's aren't perfect, but Wintel's are (for this task) less perfect. And trying to cobble together a solution under Linux just sounds like torture unless you're really into doing everything yourself. Linux is great for a lot of things (web servers, render farms, some desktop app's) but video editing is pretty far ahead of the curve.

    So if you get it working, as a Linux fan, I'd love to hear about it. IMO, while it's fair to complain that DVD authoring is still a bit immature, my advice would be to tough it out on the platform you've got, since it's better than the alternatives, and make sure that you install all of the OS and app updates and read sites like MacFixIt to see if anyone else is having the problems you're having.