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Re:Suuuuure.
Well, there is this interesting tidbit on the Wikipedia mailing list, but then again, I seriously doubt that the sender is not a troll.
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Re:Thanks for the warningMothersbaugh, is that you?
Is this what you're talking about?
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The Slashdotted Article
A new visualization Bruce Herr and I recently completed is being featured in this weeks New Scientist Magazine (thearticleis free online, minus the viz). They did a good job jazzing up the language used to describe the vizpower struggle, bubbling mass, blitzed articlesbut they also dumbed down the technical accomplishments. I guess not everyone gets as excited about algorithms as I do.Before I talk anymore about the viz, though, let me mention its appearing at the NetSci 2007 Conferencethis week, and hopefully a varient will appear at Wikimania later this summer as well. The viz is a huge 5 feet by 5 feet when printed, and I only include a low res, smaller version here. At some point high qualityart prints of it will appear at SciMapsfor sale to fund further visualization research.
Now for the good stuff. Much like my visualization of the netflix prize competition data, we began this piece byrepresenting the dataas a network. In this case the nodes in the network are wikipedia articles and theedges are thelinks between articles. We then (with some help from our friends at Sandia) used an algorithm to lay out all 650,000nodes (wikipedia articles) that had at least one link in such a way that similar articles are near one another. These are the yellow dots,which when viewed at low res give a yellow tint tothe whole picture.
The sizes of the nodes (circles, dots, whatever you want to call them), are based on a model of revision activity. So large circles indicate that an article might be controversial, or the subject of lots of vandalism, or just a topic whose content frequently changes. We labeled only the largest nodes, to keep it readable. Thereis an interactive version of this in the works based on the google maps platform which will change the labels and pictures used as the user zooms in or out. Stay tuned for that.
The image used for each tilewas selected automatically, simply by using the first imagein the most linked to article among all the articles inthat tile.We were pleasantly surprised by the quality of the images that appeared.
Our hope for this visualization approach, which we continue to improve on,is that it could be updated in real time to give a macro sense of what is happeing in Wikipedia. I personally hope that some variation of it will end up in high schools as a teaching tool and for generating discussions.
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Re:*Yawn*
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Re:*Yawn*
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The guy's got a point
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The guy's got a point
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Re:The thing is that it's true
How come when I read your post I heard it in this guy's voice?
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Re:Maybe KDE & Gnome Folk Will Read...
Dude, neither of the apple screenshots you listed are those of modern apple apps running on Windows. The screenshot of iTunes was version 4.1. The latest release is 7.1.x. I couldn't identify the version of QuickTime in the screenshot, but I know that the present release resembles this (note: that screenshot is on OS X).
Modern Apple apps on XP/Vista still don't fit in, but they do fit better than the screenshots you provided. In addition, the point of iTunes and QuickTime is to stick out on windows. Apple wants easily identifiable products, in much the same way that nike wants their logo on shirts. (Think branding & style -- it helps customers identify what's popular, and many consumers just buy what's popular.)
Furthermore, you compared media playing applications (iTunes & Quicktime) to 'traditional' applications (Gnumeric, GIMP, GAIM, etc). Compare WinAmp, Windows Media Player, and Visual Studio. Just like sesame street: one of these doesn't belong (hint: it's Visual Studio). In other words, media players on windows are notorious for non-native UIs.
Your comparison is bunk.
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Re:vye....null?
You mean like him
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laughing man...
Anyone seen him recently..? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/63/Lau
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Re:1200 degrees F?
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Re:The more accurate the better
No, I'm afraid to say you're completely wrong.
Wiki is meant to be authoritive - that means all the way from a beginner's entry to the subject to the accurate detailed facts about the topic. This thread is a false dichotomy. Wiki should not have to lean towards one extreme or the other - the only reason to do so is because of lack of space. Remember "wiki is not paper". -
Re:Isn't it already a part of Wikipedia?Wikimedia Foundation already has a project called WikiSpecies -- http://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page . Not sure how different that project will be. Based on its performance today, it will get slashdotted more easily.
Interestingly, the EOL "Institutional Council" includes "Wikimedia Foundation Represented by: Erik Moeller (Executive Secretary)" -
Isn't it already a part of Wikipedia?
Wikimedia Foundation already has a project called WikiSpecies -- http://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page . Not sure how different that project will be.
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Re:French bashing?
You're drunk on cold war propaganda.
And you're resorting to an ad-hominem attack to begin your argument. Excellent <rolls eyes>.Why don't you take a look at this map of Europe in 1920, after WWI and tell me what nations they "invaded" by the time WWII came around. The answer, simply, is none
I was talking about the expansion of the USSR after WWII began in Europe. The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was the deal made between Germany and the USSR to divide Eastern Europe. After signing this treaty, the USSR invaded Poland, Finland, Romania, Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania.
So, why don't you take a look at this map of Europe in 1940, you will see that the USSR did indeed invade all of these countries during WWII.In other words, the world-domination plans you speak of were, well, non-existent.
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Re:Link With Pictures
That's the wrong link. The correct one is found here. Purchased from e-bay indeed...
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fashion
Somehow I don't think this will ever be a fashion statement.
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Re:Been there
The situation you describe is much different than the one in the article. You acted intelligently. The school administrators in the article did not.
In your situation, you had kids that were downloading dangerous software that left vulnerable a large number of systems. You had proof of their wrongdoing. You could have gotten these kids arrested (I'm sure there's some provision for that sort of thing), and it would have been perfectly reasonable to suspend them for three months.
In the article, however, there's no mention of any actual wrongdoing beyond using a proxy. While this may have just been oversight on the part of the writer, suspending someone for three months solely for using a proxy is overkill.
In summary, I'm agreeing that they should have been punished, but I don't think that three months is appropriate for simply using a proxy, without any proof that they were doing anything wrong. I know I've used a proxy a couple of times at school because, for a time, they had blocked everything coming from http://upload.wikimedia.org/, which made many Wikipedia articles almost useless. -
Re:Understood...
The hammer is a classic symbol of video game violence. This guy was clearly ready to take it to the next level.
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Re:Understood...
The hammer is a classic symbol of video game violence. This guy was clearly ready to take it to the next level.
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Re:In other news...
we should aim to reduce oxygen uptake, slow metabolism and adjust the blood chemistry for gradual and safe reperfusion.
So, a slow Rip Van Winkle type recovery process instead?
God forbid, and hypothetically speaking, a heart attack victim from an ambulance ride to finally waking in a hospital recovery room days later could go from this to this? -
Re:In other news...
we should aim to reduce oxygen uptake, slow metabolism and adjust the blood chemistry for gradual and safe reperfusion.
So, a slow Rip Van Winkle type recovery process instead?
God forbid, and hypothetically speaking, a heart attack victim from an ambulance ride to finally waking in a hospital recovery room days later could go from this to this? -
Re:I'll wait for the next modelThe WWII Mauser is the longest range sniper rifle you've heard of?
Not really, I was thinking in terms of something practical, that you can carry anywhere and use in practical situations. Of course, if you extend caliber to .50 disregarding portability, then why not go further still, to the ultimate limit in precision weapons? -
Re:Ya gotta love
Oh dear what lame final choices. Even Wikipe-tan http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipe-tan/ would have been better. Death by consensus indeed.
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Re:2000 ...?Wouldn't it be much smarter if they wrote a little system to prepare those torrents automatically, say, every week, and include much larger fraction of the articles...And right now I really needed the localized version, to distribute to a set of computers without connection in a local school. Bummers.
Well, this requires a bit more work on your part, but you can always get the database or static html dumps.
Damn, I hope a whole bunch of people don't just start downloading wikipedia in its entirety just for the hell of it now...
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New Indian Satellite Retrieval Vehicle
Here is a picture of the multi-arm craft:
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Re:bye-bye!The distinction between a 'theory' and its 'interpretation' is not that clear.
I was using "theory" in the sense that F = G (m1m2) / r^2 is the theory of gravity, and this is a major part of the theory of QM. And, apparently, Newton didn't offer a philosophical "interpretation" for gravity*, while for QM we have "infinite number of worlds with consistently inconsistent histories entangling while moving backwards in time, located everywhere at once and communicating instantly", or whatever your favorite is :)
I am not saying that that part isn't important - Newton's theory was superseded by one rooted in such a theoretical/philosophical concept ("curved spacetime"), after all. Just saying that these theoretical models only become useful when they start making testable predictions.
* Came across this great quote from him in Wikipedia:I have not yet been able to discover the cause of these properties of gravity from phenomena and I feign no hypotheses... It is enough that gravity does really exist and acts according to the laws I have explained, and that it abundantly serves to account for all the motions of celestial bodies. That one body may act upon another at a distance through a vacuum without the mediation of anything else, by and through which their action and force may be conveyed from one another, is to me so great an absurdity that, I believe, no man who has in philosophic matters a competent faculty of thinking could ever fall into it.
And general relativity takes a similar position, it describes how matter/energy curves spacetime, but makes no attempts to explain why that would happen.
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Re:Look at a map for your answer.
Better yet:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a /Plates_tect2_en.svg
The tunnel will be entirely within the north american plate. Someone below mentioned connecting vancouver island and the mainland. There's a reason why there isn't an existing physical connection between the island and the mainland, and neither money nor politics has anything to do with it. Vancouver Island, I believe, sits on the pacific plate, while as we all know, mainland is on the north american plate. Now that project would be quite infeasible, and dangerous to boot. -
Look at a map for your answer.
To answer you question, all that you need to do is to look at a map of the Pacific Ring of Fire.
Here's one, in case you had trouble finding one for yourself: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09 /Pacific_Ring_of_Fire.png
The Bering Strait is clearly well north of the Ring of Fire faultlines. Thus the tectonic impact will be minimal.
Furthermore, you don't throw together a $12 billion proposal and not take into account such things. Anything you can think of regarding this project has likely been thought of already by the planners. If crustal movement was to have a serious impact, we would not be hearing about this proposal, because it would have been scrapped long ago. -
Re:Value is always perceived
I already provided you the links. But in case you need a more graphical view, look at the great wikipedia,
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/81/Mone y-supply.png
Even looking at M3 vs. GDP, you can probably guess that M3 is now highest ever. Huge amount of money injected into economy to stimulate it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Us_proportionat e_m3.svg
The problem is that all this extra money is going to China (made in China!) hence their GDP growth. Inflation is deferred because of that, but how long? I guess until China and Japan start selling USD (ie. buying stuff with it)
Anyway, regarding the perceived value and real value, I know that everything is perceived value. I do not propose that fiat currencies be backed by gold or something like that (problems with that, like value of money reflecting supply of gold and not economy). The problem is that people do not understand that gov't can just print money on demand if they want to. There are consequences of doing so, but they can just print money as was done in Greenspan years. (again, see 2nd graph). -
Mod down, (-1, Bullshit)Many other creatures can spread pollen, along with wind itself.
Sure, man being the foremost of these creatures. If done in a country with very low wages one can sometimes offer a very expensive exotic product. You see, vanilla is a plant that can be pollinated only by bees, and only one very special kind of bee, that's found only in its native Mexico. This is because its flower has a peculiar shape that only fits the body of that bee.
So, well, yes, natural evolution may take care of that. If bees disappear, then plants that depend exclusively on it will be replaced by some more flexible plants that aren't as picky regarding their sexual helpers. However, along with those plants all other species that depend on them may also disappear, most of mankind along them. -
Mod down, (-1, Bullshit)Many other creatures can spread pollen, along with wind itself.
Sure, man being the foremost of these creatures. If done in a country with very low wages one can sometimes offer a very expensive exotic product. You see, vanilla is a plant that can be pollinated only by bees, and only one very special kind of bee, that's found only in its native Mexico. This is because its flower has a peculiar shape that only fits the body of that bee.
So, well, yes, natural evolution may take care of that. If bees disappear, then plants that depend exclusively on it will be replaced by some more flexible plants that aren't as picky regarding their sexual helpers. However, along with those plants all other species that depend on them may also disappear, most of mankind along them. -
Secure connection
Actually, there is a secure connection, which, depending on the type of block, can be used to access Wikipedia; also with a poor connection. And there are always open proxies, if only for reading Wikipedia, not editing it (open proxies are blocked for various reasons). Draco would be proud.
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Re:Just think where Atari would be..They brought additional engineers into the projects By contrast, on buying Atari, Tramiel supposedly fired all the engineers. I read elsewhere that they had a SID-beating sound chip lined up for the 8-bit computers... it was shelved because the people who knew how it worked were all gone. Sad...
(Would've been better than the ST's off-the-shelf sound chip as well). Commodore did actually have a fab that could make the chips for the Amiga. Atari always seems under-resourced to me. They abandoned the Falcon shortly after it came out to concentrate on the Jaguar, and the Lynx never got the breaks it deserved. It didn't help that they seemed to spread themselves to thin and lack focus (a habit going back to the Warner days). So you may be right that it's fortunate they didn't get their hands on the Amiga. And in fact, the Amiga did ok under Commodore for awhile. Yep; particularly in Europe. Even the ST did well here for a while, until the Amigas came down in price. The ST was also very popular with musicians well into the 90s. in fact, there was a project in 1993 indended to deliver a PCI-based successor to the Amiga graphics chips... it even had a real GPU (actually based on the PA-RISC processor ISA) and 3D engine. This was at least potentially something that would have sold in the PC market as well as being sold in Amiga computers. It's interesting to speculate on where this would have taken Commodore and the Amiga itself, had they survived. Would it have given it new life or would it have eventually steered the Amiga technology towards the amorphous PC black hole? Who knows... -
A picture of the new 3D chip
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Re:Missing the open environments
Only on the PC. Maybe your version didn't have helicopters, but I *strongly* doubt it.
A character illustrated on that same cover (bottom left corner) never appears as a visible character in the game. I'm not disputing the other examples, but cover-art isn't really proof.
Here's some proof:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/be/GTA3 boxcover.jpg
There's a helicopter on the cover of the game.
For example, if you were to look at the cover art for the Atari game Adventure you'd assume it had dragons. This would be an incorrect assumption: the game actually had ducks. Or maybe they were chickens? :) -
Re:Missing the open environments
Only on the PC. Maybe your version didn't have helicopters, but I *strongly* doubt it.
Here's some proof:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/be/GTA3 boxcover.jpg
There's a helicopter on the cover of the game.
http://www.gouranga.com/images/gta3/gta3_102.jpg
Helicopter in-game.
http://www.gouranga.com/images/gta3/gta3_199.jpg
Another shot of in-game helicopters.
http://www.gta3.com/index.php?zone=review1
"Ok then, now, the other ways to travel: boat, plane, train, subway, and on foot. It is scarce that you use other ways besides by foot or in car. Now, there are different aircraft you can fly. The helicopter you can fly and the non-winged dodo plane, but there is an exception on the dodo."
I don't remember whether or not they were *flyable* like the review here indicates, but I certainly remember blowing them out of the sky with the rocket launcher. There definitely were helicopters in the game.
But thanks for proving my point either way: GTA3 had aircraft the player could pilot, and was smaller than any of the other games. -
Re:MY computer doesn't parse licenses
What I'm saying is that the computer doesn't read and agree with a license when I fire it up. "Trusted" computing is an apparent attempt to change that, I suppose.
Since there is, he uses the GPL to turn copyright law upon its head as well as he can.
Yes, I actually DO agree with that. GPL derives its power from copyright law, which of course is a good thing. I am happy to see this happening for that reason. But a big problem, to me anyway, is multiple licenses in one program. Talk about bloat! The big companies work under a single copyright. Not very well, I might add, but they're rakin' it in. So, who am I to argue with success? Maybe I'm a bit too anxious and want to eliminate the middleman and cut straight to the chase. Ignore all licenses. It's a shame that too many people don't understand that we won't need GPL if their is no copyright law. They seem to be under some impression that they can't use the code if a big company "takes" it. If somebody wants my code for whatever purpose, it's not for me to say or do anything about it. He would gain no exclusivity over it without copyright law. I still have my copy to do with as I please. What I'm concerned about is that with all these people worrying about licensing, it leaves little time for un-distracted(?) coding. It's like a nag screen in the back of your head. And even worse is the number and variation of licenses. The whole FOSS thing is moving from a bazaar to a Tower of Babel. The licenses will bring the whole thing tumbling down. As a business, I would avoid it for these reasons. Because then I would have to be concerned about being held liable for some mysterious, obscure copyright violation that only a lawyer could see. Licenses take up disk space. It's like a ball and chain. Imagine if each of my Snap-on wrenches came with a foot long, ten pound "dongle" stipulating how I can use it. Well, all that weight just made the tool pretty useless. The same is happening to software. The licenses are getting that it will be prohibited to use the program for what I bought it for. Well, here's hoping that someday Stallman's trumpets will bring down the Walls of Jericho. -
Re:Is there any real point to solar energy?
Your number is averaged over both day and night over a year and works for southern Canada, here is a map: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/78/Ins
o lation.png. As you can see from the map, much of what is going on is that the Earth is round so that surface is tilted with respect to the average direction to the Sun. Solar panels are tilted back towards the Sun so this compensates though there is still a larger airmass and so a larger likelihood of having a cloud in the way. A number closer to 300 w/m^2 is a better estimate because of the tilt. In a month of 30 days you get 32 kWh from a sqaure meter of 15% efficient silicon solar panel. So, you want about 31 square meters of panels to handle a 1000 kWh monthly power usage. That's about 5.5 meters on a side. You can get that much for the same that you are currently paying for grid power at http://mdsolar.blogspot.com/2007/01/slashdot-users -selling-solar.html and fix your rate for up to 25 years, so yes, it probably is worth it. -
Re:Slashdotting
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The Gnu Logo
Wow. Is it just me, or does that photo in the article make it look like he was the model for
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GPL for games?According to RMS, using a non-free software is ethical only if you use it to make a Free Software replacement.
Let's see if I understand his logic right. Is he saying that using Tetris is ethical only if I use it to make LOCKJAW? So what about songs or movies? How would one make a free replacement for one of those?
Game consoles does not run code that is not signed by manufacturer, thus making it impossible to ever run Free Software.What free hardware is designed to sit on top of a television, receive input from four USB or Bluetooth gamepads, and play interactive video games? Do enough Free games support this play method?
Another thing to ponder: Given the incompatibility between Creative Commons licenses and GNU licenses due to the credit removal clause of all Creative Commons licenses (see my Wikimedia Commons user page), what license should be used for a work that contains significant parts that are a computer program and significant parts that are not a computer program, such as a video game?
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B.S. U.S. could have HST now for 1/10th war cost
Bullshit. There could be this exact sort of high speed rail between Boston and New York, Chicago and Detroit, and L.A. to Seattle with say 120 MPH connector trains in the flatlands for literally 1/10th the cost of Bush disastrous pointless war in Iraq. Follow the Benjamins it's all about the O I L companies in the U.S:
See for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_high-speed _rail
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d3/High -Speed_Rail_Corridor_Designations_53kb.png
Upgrading U.S. train track is 8 times cheaper than building new freeways:
http://www.fra.dot.gov/us/content/201
Get some fact before just regurgitating what you hear on Rush (brought to you by the Hummer H5 now including it's own entrance ladder). -
Dude this prick stold the idea from Miyamoto
You see, Miyamoto's Mario 64 level 'Desert's Hill' pictures a pyramid that contains a spiral ramp which leads to the top of the pyramid revealing a small opening where the workers would place the top rocks of the pyramid precisely on top. Which proves my theory on the conspiracy of Video Game Giants trying to force their beliefs unto us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fc/N64_ Super_Mario_64_shifting_sand_land.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fc/N64_ Super_Mario_64_shifting_sand_land.jpg
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7dMHvZXegVU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZsgMWdJQyi4
here's the actual story and image:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1501ap_fran ce_pyramid_theory.html?source=mypi
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/aponline/6047 .095FRANCE-GREAT-PYRAMID.sff.jpg -
Dude this prick stold the idea from Miyamoto
You see, Miyamoto's Mario 64 level 'Desert's Hill' pictures a pyramid that contains a spiral ramp which leads to the top of the pyramid revealing a small opening where the workers would place the top rocks of the pyramid precisely on top. Which proves my theory on the conspiracy of Video Game Giants trying to force their beliefs unto us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fc/N64_ Super_Mario_64_shifting_sand_land.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fc/N64_ Super_Mario_64_shifting_sand_land.jpg
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7dMHvZXegVU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZsgMWdJQyi4
here's the actual story and image:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1501ap_fran ce_pyramid_theory.html?source=mypi
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/aponline/6047 .095FRANCE-GREAT-PYRAMID.sff.jpg -
Re:Huh? - Example Image
I think the accurate Google Earth Service will be the one you pay subscription for. Can anyone Confirm?
I spent some time looking thru online map services, including this comparative one Flash Earth All of them look pre-Katrina to my untrained eye.
I did find documentation on a lighthouse (mentioned in news articles) which had collapsed, but was visible in Google maps.
Google Map of West End Lighthouse
Image of Lighthouse Documenting its Collapse
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Re:one solution...
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Re:+1 Funny.
NASA has an 18.4MB 18000 x 18000 jpeg of the Orion nebula. We use it to stress-test our CAD systems at work.
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SLEESTACK!! Ahhhhhh...