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Have you tried Turbo Tax with WINE ( http://www.winehq.org/ ) or CrossOver Office ( http://www.codeweavers.com/ ) which is based on WINE? Also you could use Parallels ( http://www.parallels.com/ ), VMware ( http://www.vmware.com/ ), or QEMU (http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/) to run windows as a guest system so you could have Turbo Tax. Also if you use Quicken you could run it in one of those as well, or move to a software like Moneydance ( http://www.moneydance.com/ ). I moved from Quicken to Moneydance and it transfered all my data quite nicely and works on Win/Lin/OSX natively.

Just some Ideas,

This is not disrespect, but rather well-established case law. If you want to copyright an array or algorithm... keep it out of header files.

Here is a good explanation: http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2001-Fe bruary/000181.html

"Copyright law does not protect idea, just the expression of them. Several court
decisions have been rendered which suggest that the 'purely functional' elements
of a computer program are not copyrightable. There are several cases that
explicitly deal with the issue of copyright and header files. The most relevant
one for Wine development is probably the 1992 decision in Sega v. Accolade, where
Accolade reverse engineered the headers for Sega's ROM libraries in order to
develop games compatible with Sega's hardware without paying Sega's royalties.
http://www.eff.org/pub/Legal/Cases/sega_v_accolade _977f2d1510_decision.html

    The court in that case said:

        Computer programs pose unique problems for the application of the
        "idea/expression distinction" that determines the extent of copyright
        protection. To the extent that there are many possible ways of
        accomplishing a given task or fulfilling a particular market demand,
        the programmer's choice of program structure and design may be highly
        creative and idiosyncratic. However, computer programs are, in essence,
        utilitarian articles -- articles that accomplish tasks. As such, they
        contain many logical, structural, and visual display elements that are
        dictated by external factors such as compatibility requirements
        and industry demands... In some circumstances, even the exact set of
        commands used by the programmer is deemed functional rather than
        creative for the purposes of copyright. When specific instructions,
        even though previously copyrighted, are the only and essential means
        of accomplishing a given task, their later use by another will not
        amount to infringement."

Here is another, specifically on the files SCO are claiming:

http://business.newsforge.com/comments.pl?sid=3518 8&cid=83130

http://wiki.winehq.org/CygwinSupport
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=443

How about this?

http://wiki.winehq.org/CygwinSupport
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=443

How about this?

Yeah, but it's jut the kernel - you didn't have to reboot Ubuntu when the web browser or office suite was updated. ;)

PS, visit http://www.winehq.org/

Actually, WoW really does work right out of the box with Wine. It has entirely Gold or Platinum status on WineHQ:
http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=648 2

On that page there's a hugely overcomplicated guide on getting it working; Feisty will tremendously simplify things, especially since it comes with Wine 0.9.30. Here's how you'd install WoW in Feisty:

1) Install your video card drivers. This involves clicking Applications->Add Applications, clicking Advanced, and choosing nvidia-glx for NVidia cards or xorg-driver-fglrx for ATI. Much simpler than on Windows.
2) Restart X (press CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE).
3) Put the WoW install CD in the drive.
4) Browse to your CD-rom (/media/cdrom) and double-click Installer.exe
5) Do the Next-Next-Finish dance
6) Double click the icon on your desktop to launch the game.

So it's pretty much identical to Windows, except the CD won't autorun. :/

My experiences are very similar. Actually I didn't expect much when I first installed World of Warcraft with Wine on my old 1,2GHz Duron with only 256MB of RAM - but I was pleasantly surprised at how fast and flawlessly it works.

And google isn't even needed here, there is a great guide right on Wine website http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=648 2

Why get the KDE stuff? GNOME is simpler. Yeah, Holy War, I know. GNOME has a lot of functionality, but it does the "this is the big stuff, here's the options, go into the advanced settings if you wanna get more detailed, but I'm not cluttering this interface from the start" thing while KDE shows all the options at once. Anyway, ignore the Ubuntu wiki. It doesn't get updated enough. Use ubuntuguide.org It has everything you need to make multimedia go and a lot more. It's all command line, but it's not scary. It's just "copy" "paste" "press enter." For checking to see if an app will work in Wine: http://appdb.winehq.org/

Linspire's supposed to have some sort of Windows compatibility layer, isn't it? Doesn't that mean it'll run Internet Explorer?

Funnily enough, IE5/6 run fairly well under Linux using Wine. (IE7 is a bit trickier - it tries to detect whether you're using an authentic version of Windows XP and refuses to run if you're not). The problem is whether it's legal to do so - it almost certainly isn't if you don't have a licensed copy of Windows, and even if you do have one it's a grey area at best...

The short answer to your question: yes. There are talks of porting DX10 to Windows2k/XP http://www.winehq.org/?issue=320 Given the wine libraries are used in ReactOS, this shouldn't be too difficult. Who knows, maybe more people will take an interest in WINE or maybe move to Linux for gaming.... Unfortunately WINE still has a while to go before it's a complete alternative.

Seems to work in Wine for me; I tested with wine-0.9.29+.

Note that you should install the Windows version
of either IE or Firefox before installing PureEdge Viewer,
since it's mostly a browser plugin.

The PureEdge Viewer installer requires but does not
bundle an msvc runtime library, MSVCP60.dll. To work
around this, download VC6RedistSetup_enu.exe from
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/259403 and run it. This
creates the file vcredist.exe, an installer for msvcp60.dll.
But you probably have to run winecfg and pick "win98"
before running vcredist.exe, else it will think you don't
need that file.

I didn't install Firefox first, and learned about the
plugin by reading the PureEdge Viewer readme in
~/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/PureEdge/Viewer\ 6.0/Readme/readme_en_US.txt
so I ran and installed Windows Firefox 1.5.0.8 in Wine, then did
cp ~/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/PureEdge/Viewer\ 6.0/Plugin/npmfv.dll
      ~/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/Mozilla\ Firefox/plugins/
and restarted Firefox, and verified that the new plugin
showed up in about:plugins. It seemed to work fine, i.e.
when I downloaded an application from grants.gov using
Windows Firefox in Wine, Firefox offered to display
it using the PureEdge plugin, and it seemed to let me
edit the right fields.
But I've never used it before, and I only just barely
tested it, so there are probably problems lurking.

For completeness, Wine's page about PureEdge Viewer is at
http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=2073
Crossover's page about it is at
http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/na me?app_id=2179
- Dan Kegel

quickbooks was written and tested on windows. wine does not provide full windows api. Sane admins won't run critical application on OS that might be missing some functions used in application. have you seen console output of the program executed in wine? If your car breaks work on windows, would you like to take a test drive with Linux and Wine on 1000 hour rally?

True, but it is still an issue. Look at what happened when Red Hat and later Fedora left out all MP3 software after getting the letter from FhG.

Yes, Winamp uses a codec provided by Microsoft, which I believe comes with a license tied to the use of the codec on Microsoft Windows brand operating systems.

Yet still an issue.

But how well would iTunes software run under a workalike operating system? It fails in Wine.

Maybe not copyright law but contract law. The "supplemental EULA" for at least Internet Explorer and Windows Media Player require a valid Windows EULA; see IE Supplemental EULA. The EULA for Office 2003 doesn't appear to have such a restriction, but doesn't it depend on product activation, which has its own EULA and emulator-detection capability?

I didn't say it could. People demand familiarity, and Windows provides familiarity.

Even if an API is documented, MSDN is frequently wrong. Just try asking a Wine developer.

Even if an API is documented, MSDN is frequently wrong. Just try asking a Wine developer.

Even if an API is documented, MSDN is frequently wrong. Just try asking a Wine developer.

Even if an API is documented, MSDN is frequently wrong. Just try asking a Wine developer.

Even if an API is documented, MSDN is frequently wrong. Just try asking a Wine developer.

Even if an API is documented, MSDN is frequently wrong. Just try asking a Wine developer.

Sure, I'm grasping at straws here, but...

Vienna, in the local language, is spelt 'Wein'. If you pronounce that as an English speaker, you might say it in the same way you say 'Wine'. Wine, as a few people know, is an Open Source implementation of the Windows API on top of X and Unix. Perhaps Microsoft don't like the idea of such software, and want to produce a product that confuses users of Wine. Or maybe they'll do away with their development line completely, and Wine will become the next version of Windows.

Then Microsoft will be able to expand out the acronym to something like:

"Windows Emulator, it's not!" or "Windows Is Not an Emulator"!

Here's an interesting tidbit from the WINE folks:

Direct3D10, which will ship with Windows Vista in a few months, doesn't seem to be a large cause for concern. At first glance it appears to be more of an evolutionary change rather than revolutionary. New shader support will be needed, but extending ours once OpenGL supports it should be pretty easy. Stefan mentioned Microsoft is currently offering a lot of incentives for Windows developers who develop D3D10-only games since they'll only be usable on Vista - there's no plan to backport D3D10 to XP. Dan Kegel asked if that means we should port Wine's forthcoming D3D10 implementation to Windows, which would be relatively easy when we switch to WGL.

We got purty close but we need some guru's on board I think.

Could some of the people interested buy a developer an account.. yeah, that might be possible.

http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=273 9

Ubuntu Edgy and the latest wine from winehq.com

Just follow the guide in http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=560 6 or possibly the latest is nowadays in http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=601 3

Here's what I did:
- Copied some Windows fonts in the wine font directory so I could see the text in the wow installer
- Changed WoW to use OpenGL mode
- Changed some registry setting found in that guide for better performance

I think that's all I did. Works great, even though I have only 1,2GHz Duron & 256MB of RAM :)

Ubuntu Edgy and the latest wine from winehq.com

Just follow the guide in http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=560 6 or possibly the latest is nowadays in http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=601 3

Here's what I did:
- Copied some Windows fonts in the wine font directory so I could see the text in the wow installer
- Changed WoW to use OpenGL mode
- Changed some registry setting found in that guide for better performance

I think that's all I did. Works great, even though I have only 1,2GHz Duron & 256MB of RAM :)

require DX10, that is of course until Wine gets DX10 compatibility. ;P

If he releases src code - he'll still make license so strict that it's never GPL compatible. And, even more - releasing src code may threaten projects like ReactOS http://reactos.org/ or Wine http://winehq.org/, because of possible legal concerns of developers gaining knowledge from that code (which might be considered as a derived work and thus copyright violation).

The gaming scenario in Linux has never been better.

No, Linux still isn't at the point where any and all games that run in Windows will run in it...but installing WoW with Wine is trivial if you install Wine via something like apt-get. Neverwinter Nights Warcraft 3, Diablo 2, Starcraft, the original Half Life, Unreal Tournament, UT2k3, the Quakes, SimCity 4 and Steam are also possible. Some of these even have native Linux ports/installers.

For most people these days, WoW is also pretty much all they need anywayz...it also runs in FreeBSD with the Linux XF86-libs package.

Granted, with the exception of WoW, none of the above games are very contemporary...but as the trolls Zonk regularly links to point out, there aren't really any games worth playing being released at the moment anywayz.

So don't pay trolls such as this one any mind...go to , and look up your favourite PC game. 98% of the time, you'll find that with a minimal amount of mental elbow grease, you'll be able to play it under Linux just fine...and that usually translates by extension to FreeBSD as well.

They both work.

Far Cry. (Requires some fiddling)
Prey. (Might have some sound issues)

They both work.

Far Cry. (Requires some fiddling)
Prey. (Might have some sound issues)

Just regular Wine. I did purchase a Cedega subscription for a few months. But the software is truly terrible. It's usually not as good as Wine, and I had an absolutely horrid experience even trying to get officially supported games to run. (Pirates in particular) I wouldn't recommend purchasing the software. It's a waste of money IMO.

As far as Prey and Farcry, they really aren't my style. I do own a copy of Farcry (I got it for free), but I've never tried it under Linux. It would appear that the wine appdb is down at the moment. But a quick googling reveals that Farcry is supported by Cedega, which means it probably works to some degree in Wine, and Prey works perfectly. (Unsurprising, as it's based on Doom 3). So I'm tentatively prepared to say "yes". They run in Linux.

Civ 4 does not work in Wine, to my dismay.
Not as if grinding my Hunter to 60 leaves any time for Civ 4...

http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=2514

- Play games (Tux Racer doesn't count)

- Use Photoshop (don't say Gimp)

- Use 3D Studio Max (yes, there are some alternatives, but 3ds Max is an industry standard)

* Managed to get CS2 running under wine-20050419, with various hacks in place. It loads up (very slowly), allows the user to open and manipulate files, apply filters, save out etc. Errors occur when trying to use the text tool, but this is probably font related.
* Everytime you try to run Photoshop for the 2nd time you have to remove your ~/.wine again and run it like this.
And several others... a little frustrating...

http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6373 now has an easy
workaround that lets the app run.

I filed
http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6373
for this.

Actually the Darwine project already has a lot of the PPC/qemu stuff implemented.

http://darwine.opendarwin.org/ (opendarwin is shutting down, so I think most of their docs are being merged into the winehqwiki, http://wiki.winehq.org/ )

I didn't even think to start investigating wine on a mac until after my iBook g3 died and apple announced the Intel macs. I got a MacBookPro back in March and it was not a trivial operation to get regular wine compiled. But crossover is a simple to install as dragging the application to the you harddrive. Halflife 2 works, although I didn't try to playonline, but I did install via steam and it is playable.

You could check the Wine Application Database and see if it's listed. Not sure if Crossover has an equivalent.

That should get me over until I can get a linux version :)

However until Linux can provide the ability to run games straight from the distro download instead of paying x$ a month for cedega which still only works part of the time...

How nearsighted of them ;) No support for PPC64 at all? I even tried building Wine on an 8-way POWER5 machine to run the Windows 32-bit binary under, and that didn't work either.

So how about it? When will we see a PPC/PPC64 Linux binary of Folding@Home? Where is the source, Luke? I'll build it myself!

As long as they all run OOo and Firefox, are free of spyware and WoW clients, and can talk to each other, little more will be required.

Actually, with a little wine tinkering, WoW works fine in linux. See http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=510 9 for info.

When's the last time you could play WOW on Linux? Oh wait... you still can't.

Cedega ist available from CVS.

I assume you're talking about this, which hasn't been updated since June, and which barely has any discussion except about internationalization. Or maybe you're talking about ReWind, the BSD-licenced fork of WINE, which is even more lifeless.

Contrast that with WINE, which is actively developed, discussed, and used enough to justify "weekly" news articles.

Cedega ist available from CVS.

I assume you're talking about this, which hasn't been updated since June, and which barely has any discussion except about internationalization. Or maybe you're talking about ReWind, the BSD-licenced fork of WINE, which is even more lifeless.

Contrast that with WINE, which is actively developed, discussed, and used enough to justify "weekly" news articles.

Cedega ist available from CVS.

I assume you're talking about this, which hasn't been updated since June, and which barely has any discussion except about internationalization. Or maybe you're talking about ReWind, the BSD-licenced fork of WINE, which is even more lifeless.

Contrast that with WINE, which is actively developed, discussed, and used enough to justify "weekly" news articles.

have an issue with Zoo Tycoon right now, not recognizing the CD.

Actually, I mispoke when I said distro...are you using an emulator such as Cedega or Wine, or are you just using a Linux port of a game? I've got a TON of Windows games that are tethering me to the MS OS.

No doubt something ext3 or Reiser would offer a performance boost over FAT32/NTFS, as well as a Linux graphics driver.

I use Linux. That narrows it down right away. However, IE6 works very well for me with wine. I keep the latest version of Opera installed. So, how is it an easy decision for me? Well, for one thing, only one of the three browsers in question is open source. But that's really a separate topic. To use the article that inspired the conversation as an example, here is how it is displayed by Opera 9:

Active Server Pages error 'ASP 0126'

Include file not found

/article2/0,1697,1990852,00.asp, line 400

The include file '/component/util_generate_article_discussion_info/ 0,1460,a=183694,00.asp' was not found.

The article displays properly in Firefox.

Now, I'm sure someone can finish a sentence that starts with "That happens because ...". You might even tell me that it's a problem that happened on the server. Does it matter?

Must people tweak their browser to view all Web pages properly? Must developers test in IE, Opera, and Firefox? Poor compliance with standards is one problem. But I think I read somewhere that Opera was the first to pass the Acid2 test. Problems at the W3C are another problem. Microsoft's slowly-loosening strangle-hold on the browser market is another problem.

These are the problems I can identify, but I'm sorry that I can't offer solutions. So, I comment in hopes that someone with possible solutions will read it.

-- Ghodmode

and there's no chance that cedega speeds up directx by converting it to OpenGL.
OK. This is benchmark wine vs. native windows and it is better only in some test. But sometimes it is faster. http://wiki.winehq.org/BenchMark-0.9.5

Take a look at wine. I've been experimenting recently, and it seems to do a pretty damn good job of running win 98 apps. Recently got atomic bomerman running very cool.

I personally have been setting up Deli linux on an old 266MHz Toshiba laptop for someone. I'm pretty sure they won't cope, but it's a good challenge anyhoo.