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Re:So, MS, how does it feel?
6 of our 10 BSA member products (id est: the non-free ones) were Windows (XP Pro and 2000). I cannot find any terms in the EULA (Note: this is the terms for Genuine Advantage, but most MS EULAs are essentially the same) where I agree to perform inventorying on the system at my own cost and expense to be made available at their request. I cannot locate a Mac OS X EULA, but I don't remember that in there either. The other two were an ancient (1996) VB compiler (Which is still MS and is probably an even more primitive version of linked one), and Delphi EULA (pdf) which states they have the right to terminate the license if we breach any of the conditions, but does not say that we at our own expense must perform the work necessary to prove we aren't in violation of these terms.
I frequently do read license agreements (exclusions are GPL, LGPL, BSD, Apache, or others that I am quite sure what the terms are as I have already read them). I have never agreed to pay to be somebody's lackey. -
Re:RUN AWAY!!
No Linux code violates other's IP. Period!
Studies - not done by Microsoft - have found that just the kernel violates hundreds of software patents. Even if you dispute the exact number, there's no way that it is zero. Have you seen the triviality of many software patents? It is impossible to write a complex program without infringing on patents held by others.
This is not FUD and it is not something to be ashamed of. Microsoft Windows also violates patents held by others. Practically all software does.There's no violation until a court of law states there is.
This is clearly not true. If a patent is infringed, it is infringed now, even though you may not discover the fact of the infringement until later. -
ZDNet Blogger ordered one
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Re:my thoughtsApple released the sales figures, and they sold 270,000 units during the first two days, not 700,000. Ahem -- the 270,000 number is for the first two days only, and only includes one full day of sales (Saturday) plus the people who stood in line on Friday. The numbers for Sunday, and thus the first weekend, are unknown. Yes, I think we're all clear that the 270,000 is for the first two days. As for Sunday sales, do you seriously think that they sold anywhere near 400,000 units that day? While releasing the Q3 numbers, Apple also mentioned that they hope to sell their millionth iPhone by end of Q4--i.e., they haven't gotten there yet, and are expecting it to take a few more months to hit that number. (So much for those claims that Apple had already hit the million mark, huh?)
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Re:my thoughts
Well they're wrong... Apple released the sales figures, and they sold 270,000 units during the first two days, not 700,000.
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Vista is not a failure
While the FUD machine has done an admiral job at making Vista seem like a steaming pile, that's all it has been: FUD.
I've been using Vista since November of 2006, essentially days after it was released to MSDN, and it is without a doubt better than XP. The improvements are both obvious and subtle. I'm not going to list them all here, because others have done a good job already.
So if Vista is superior to XP technically, which was deemed by most as a great success, then Vista being a failure must be attributed to sales data. Many early reports showed Vista having poor sales, but those reports were flawed due to the fact that they compared the launch of Vista to the launch of XP. Vista launched Jan. 29th, long after the holiday season was over, where as XP enjoyed the entire holiday season to boosts its sales.
Once this was corrected, reports showed that Vista was selling on pace with XP. Indeed, as of March 2007, Vista's sales were double that of XPs.
In addition, despite being released to consumers and businesses separately, Vista's sales were only 4% behind XP, which was released to both simultaneously. In other words, Vista beat expectations by a long shot.
So it must be that sales of Vista have stagnated since March... opps, that's not true either. Apparently, Vista sold so well that it offset the massive hit Microsoft took as part of extending the Xbox 360 warranty to 3 years.
And then there is the wonderful story that Vista has somehow boosted XP sales, which is completely silly. It didn't boost XP sales. There was a larger proportion of XP sales than were expected, but the breakdown is about 80% Vista, 20% XP. Part of this is thanks to the FUD machine (good job guys) prompting some large OEMs, like Dell, to offer XP on lower end machines. Microsoft underestimated the FUD machine's ability to influence the market. (By the way, there were 7% more XP sales than were expected. Hardly a tidal wave of XP purchases.)
Sorry guys. I know you desperately want to believe that Vista is a failure, both technically and in terms of sales. But you're wrong on both accounts. 2 years from now, when 90% of PCs are running Vista, you'll probably still claim it's a failure, although you'll fall back to the technical side of things.
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Re:ESRI'd like to know Eric Raymond's take on this.
As a matter of fact it's not necessary to wait for a public comment from ESR to know his views. If anything, these events can only reinforce his views that he wants "to see Microsoft broken on the wheel not by government fiat but by enlightened consumer choice". (Source: Halloween Documents FAQ
Isn't he on the linspire board or something?
According to this post apparantly by Linspire's CEO Eric is (or at least still was on Feb 23, 2007) "one of many un-paid volunteers of the Freespire Leadership Board". I wouldn't be surprised if Eric reconsiders his involvement in that project in reaction to Linspire's agreement with Microsoft, but it's his choice of course.
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it's true already
Sounds to me like what is happening now in Germany. In a recent article in a renomated german magazine, they describe how some policemen in one state already turn mobiles into a wiretap, even when the mobile appears to be off. The case of the arrest of New-York mafiaguy John Ardito is probably in the same direction: http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1035_22-6140191.html. If you can turn a mobile into a wiretap, and even fake that the mobile is turned off, you most probably can do much more like reading SMS, calendar, etc. That's were our rights are going
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Re:never was the best solution
and risk the collective privacy (oxymoron?) of all pedophiles? NEVAR!
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Re:More likely it is another publicity stuntHowever if it is true it's not the first time people poking fun at the Mac have had death threats; Overclockers had them when they pretended to put an Intel/Windows motherboard/system inside a G5 case and Maynor reported death threats after his Wifi debacle. So Maynor got death threats when he blurbed about Wifi exploit (!) but not when they tried to harm Apple USERS (not company, not lusers, real average users) in every possible way for entire month? One of their first evil (!) security issue findings was VLC, yes the open source media player with millions of users including Mac. They announced it publicly instead of fixing the damn source code sitting there and didn't get a "death threat" from one user?
I am speaking about MOAB and their lame attacks even including a jp2 DOS attack to OS X default browser Safari. That is the lowest level you can get, attack a tabbed browser which may include unsaved data and do it to average user who tricked (by stupid media) to visit your site to "pay" for using Apple software.
BTW- as a guy who uses Mac exclusively , I had to follow MOAB project. No, LMH is not Maynor of course. Everyone who he attacked (read: Popular software vendors) must have a good clue who he is and where he is from. Maynor must be enjoying the publicity though. -
Re:More likely it is another publicity stunt
However if it is true it's not the first time people poking fun at the Mac have had death threats; Overclockers had them when they pretended to put an Intel/Windows motherboard/system inside a G5 case and Maynor reported death threats after his Wifi debacle.
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Re:File formats will become irrelvant
Off the top of my head:
Zillow.com only works with IE or FireFox.
My employer's online time card system: IE only
My bank's on line bill paying system: IE only
Federal Emergency Management Agency's (FEMA) online registration site: "In order to use this site, you must have JavaScript Enabled and Internet Explorer version 6. Download it from Microsoft or call 1-800-621-FEMA (3362) to register."
The nations #1 news source: "The new AP Online Video Network is powered by Microsoft's MSN Video, meaning you must use the Microsoft browser, Internet Explorer (IE), to view it online."
Microsoft's Windows Update page only works in IE.
Microsoft Developer Network (MSDN) does not show all content unless IE6 is used. It doesn't even work completely with IE7.
http://government.zdnet.com/?p=2683
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Jeremy Allison's experience
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Ask Science about so-called "compatibility pack"
"Journals (Science [biggest journal, of the America Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS)], and Nature) have prohibited taking OOXML documents, because they do not correspond to existing standards such as MathML and SVG and are not backwards compatible to Word 2003 and previous. Compatibility packs do not even help.[2][3] As Microsoft will stop selling Word 2003 by July 1, 2007[4], this is a very bad precedent for future-proofing documents.
1] http://www.sciencemag.org/about/authors/prep/docx. dtl "Because of changes Microsoft has made in its recent Word release that are incompatible with our internal workflow, which was built around previous versions of the software, Science cannot at present accept any files in the new .docx format produced through Microsoft Word 2007, either for initial submission or for revision. Users of this release of Word should convert these files to a format compatible with Word 2003 or Word for Macintosh 2004 (or, for initial submission, to a PDF file) before submitting to Science"
"Because of changes Microsoft has made in its recent Word release that are incompatible with our internal workflow, which was built around previous versions of the software, Science cannot at present accept any files in the new .docx format produced through Microsoft Word 2007, either for initial submission or for revision."
"Users of Word 2007 should also be aware that equations created with the default equation editor included in Microsoft Word 2007 will be unacceptable in revision, even if the file is converted to a format compatible with earlier versions of Word; this is because conversion will render equations as graphics and prevent electronic printing of equations, and because the default equation editor packaged with Word 2007 -- for reasons that, quite frankly, utterly baffle us -- was not designed to be compatible with MathML."
[3]http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/04/math-markup -marked-down.html "Math markup marked down"
http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/12608/1023/
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/archives/20 07/06/04/scientists_hold_off_on_that_upgrade_to_of fice_2007.html
Nature's analysis of OOXML:
"We currently cannot accept files saved in Microsoft Office 2007 formats. Equations and special characters (for example, Greek letters) cannot be edited and are incompatible with Nature's own editing and typesetting programs"
[4] http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=519 "July 1: No more Office 2003 for OEMs" by Mary Jo Foley"
http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/business_ap plications/the_pointless_office_converter_delay.ht ml "The Pointless Office Converter Delay"
"Two important Microsoft topics--interoperability and Office file formats--intersect on the Mac desktop, and they brutally cross like swords.
Two weeks ago, Microsoft broke a promise made in December: The spring beta release of OOXML (Office Open XML) converters for Mac Office. " -
Re:We need more project slutsPlaying off this notion that
/. members don't get girls... Could you say then that /. is a form of birth control? Maybe computers in general are birth control. That's doubtful considering China blames the Internet for the rise in teen pregnancies. -
Re:Free download but a form to fill prior download
In reply to myself above, to satisfy my own curiosity, I just spent an hour researching this company. Seems they began as EJB Solutions in 1998 with one Rod Cope as co-founder. 2003 finds them headquartered in Highlands Ranch, Colorado. They were specialized in Java, J2EE, XML, and web service technologies, and without doubt the "EJB" in their name refers to Enterprise Java Beans which were all the rage back then. EJB Solutions changed their name to Open Logic sometime around June 21, 2004. They released the BlueGlue 3.2 Open Source Stack July 13, 2005. They launched Indemnification for their Certified Library of Open Source Products on October 17, 2006, but at least one blogger was not too impressed with that
Rod Cope of OpenLogic explains what this is all about in a nice video at JavaOne 2007 where he really seems to be a nice guy who perhaps deserves our support as they have been involved in Open Source and promoting it for a long time. Its just this thing about their Indemnification offer that has touched off a raw nerve here. I hereby invite Rod Cope to contact me and I will ask him about this, do a little interview with him, and report back.
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Re:Why (-1, troll)?
Maybe because you can create performant, cross-platform applications like:
http://www.banghowdy.com/
http://tribaltrouble.com/
http://sunflow.sourceforge.net/ ...or that in five years it will be hard to find a widescreen, 3D capable cellphone that does not support being programmed in Java? ...or that the iPhone can run Java natively in hardware?
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FBI taps cell phone mic as eavesdropping tool
Once again, I would like to point to McNealy's Law, which states that you have zero privacy and to get over it. The FBI has done this in the past and will likely continue this type of activity.
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Re:Shrinking something, anyway!
Well they have to take the money to fund the XBox 360 3 year warranty from somwhere.
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WSJ ads are from april
According to this post, the comparisons, in particular the WSJ ads, are from april and at least the Intel numbers were correct at this time.
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Re:Developing for Linux is just easier.
Single-sided, POSIX comes out to less than 16 feet,
.NET System to 40 feet.Actually, I checked today. It's double-sided, but the binders themselves add thickness. An unbound set comes out to ~8 inches, and that works out to (8.5*11)/(3*5)*(2*8 inches/12 inches per foot) or ~8.3 feet of 3.5 cards, or about 1/5 of
.NET. (And about three feet of POSIX would be devoted to the introduction, definitions, utilities (like tar, compress, vi, and such), and rationales.)And
.NET System contains System.Windows.Forms (i.e. pretty much everything you need for a GUI app in Windows), it includes an XML parser, it includes all kinds of web libraries.As I've pointed out, the POSIX spec covers pretty much an entire operating system and environment with attendant utilities sufficient to run a business on. But you're right, I wasn't correct regarding what
.NET "System" contained, so the comparison is not entirely fair.So, let's even it up. Add another 6 feet to POSIX for the GUI stuff. Now POSIX+GTK (thoroughly documented) comes out to ~14.5 feet, or just over 1/3 of a sketchily-documented
.NET.Of course the metric here isn't totally scientific. But we know that Windows is just more complex than Linux or other POSIX-style systems. My overarching point was... let's see, what was it again... ah, yes, here it is:
"The Windows API is huge, complex, only occasionally and accidentally orthogonal, and in my experience mostly very poorly documented. I'm not the only one who thinks so... The APIs on Unix are small, well-thought-out, have few if any side effects, and tend to be thoroughly documented. I find very few interfaces on Windows have even a majority of these traits, let alone all of them."
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Re:So why not...1. Buy Ubuntu Dell.
2. Pirate Vista.
3. ??? There is no ???!
4. Wait a few months.
5. Inadvertently install an update to Vista's version of WGA ("SPP") hidden in an innocuous looking "Update for Windows Vista" package, from Windows Update.
6. Boot Vista, only to find that it has entered into "Reduced Functionality Mode".
7. Discover that your task bar, desktop icons, and even wallpaper are gone; and that the only part of your system that works is your default web broswer. Which is helpfully pointing you to a page at Microsoft.com instructing you to buy a genuine copy online or be logged out automatically.
8. Experience helplessness, anger, and rage.
9. Boot into Dell's recovery partion, and reinstall Ubuntu with it over the top of the Vista partition.
10. ...
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Re:Time for Sun to Shine
You may be interested in the commentary I have written explaining Sun's position on GPLv3. Despite having been involved in the discussion process from the beginning, we still only saw the final text at the end of this week. Whereas some people (who ought to know better) think we can just change the licenses over-night, in fact we have to take into account:
- The meaning of the final text and what its implications are. The team has started the discussion but with July 4 week next week many of them will be taking vacation so I don't expect a firm statement for several weeks.
- The fact (which I explain at length in my blog) that Sun is only the steward of the copyrights and the decision to change licenses takes more agreement than just Sun's.
- The fact that we've 6+ million lines of code in each of OpenSolaris (which is under CDDL) and OpenJDK (which is under GPLv2) and it will be heavy lifting to make a change.
So please do let Jonathan know how you feel, but be aware he's not the only guy who has to decide.
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Ding?
"Microsoft doesn't view the popularity of user requests to downgrade from Vista to XP as a ding against Vista," Ball emphasized.
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Re:It says volumes about Microsoft...
what's funny is that it was a microsoft recruiter who posted it.
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Re:Too little...do you have any sources for this?
Just search for Windows Profit Margins. There's a lot of news and discussion about their SEC filings.
This from the top-ranked page:
Profit margins for desktop versions of Windows came in shy of 86 percent, according to the 10-Q. That's up from about 82 percent during the same period a year earlier. Office profit margins were 78 percent in the first quarter compared with 76 percent a year earlier.
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Re:Google already done it... indirectlyThere's no announcement or even confirmation from Google.
Did you check? I tried digging for a bit, and amusingly enough, I got the link for this page from Google:
This blog from a week ago shows that it's possible the project is active and mayhaps even advancing...
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Re:Wrong cache link - full text here
For those that only want the executive summary, here is a key chart that shows the publicly disclosed High severity vulnerabilities during the first 90 days of availability, broken down by vulns fixed and vulns unfixed. Note that this chart is showing the reduced Linux builds that exclude non-default and optional components without equivalents on WIndows. (clicking the chart also gets you to the full report.)
(Emphasis added.)
So, how does he account for all the silent patching that Microsoft is doing?. (Link complements of Groklaw.)
More on Google.
Honestly, how can one really compare Windows against Linux when Microsoft is patching things silently? It's not a fair comparison to any vendor because you don't know what got fixed; let alone what was actually problematic. When you have one community disclosing every bug, and another disclosing only those that become high-profile for them - or likely to become high-profile since they were disclosed by others or something like that - you will not get a fair comparison.
So, if he really wants to do a fair comparison, he should get internal reports from Microsoft about their bugs, security and otherwise. Yes, CVE and similar hold the security vulnerability bugs; and you can do a comparison iff you get the security bugs that Microsoft found internally and didn't bother to report - then you would have a level set of reports. -
Exchange Support Rumor
Somewhat off-topic, but there's another interesting iPhone rumor/tidbit floating in the ether today: A ZDNet Blog claims that Apple will be announcing sometime this week that they've licensed the MS Exchange ActiveSync API... which would signal that the iPhone is almost definitely compatible with Exchange Servers. For folks whose IT departments are in love with that particular software stack, I'll bet that will be big news.
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Article Summary InaccuraciesI did not download the article, but the description on http://whitepapers.zdnet.com/whitepaper.aspx?doci
d =90938 contains two inaccuracies:- There is no Senator Debra Bowen (D-Redondo Beach).
- There is no SB2208.
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All your phones are belong to the feds'They want to be in contact with them at all times.' 24/7 contact has been perfected since around 1997 -- with cell phones and pagers everyone is pretty much always in contact now unless they specifically choose not to be. So that purpose can't have anything to with the need for "presence technologies" and is most likely a red herring to mislead people from the true purpose of the technology. The surveillance aspect is separate from just contacting employees, and seems to be where the focus really is.
What people don't know is that cell phones already have sophisticated built-in surveillance systems that work even when the phones seem to be off
A 16-year-old girl in Washington state, her mother, aunt, and friends, are going through a nightmare right now with a stalker recording conversations through the cell phone mic and viewing their actions through the cell phone camera even when the phone seemed to be off. Covering the camera lens with tape and taking out the battery from the phone seems to be the only defenses that work.
from the article:According to James M. Atkinson, a Massachusetts-based expert in counterintelligence who has advised the U.S. Congress on security issues, its not that hard to take remote control of a wireless phone. You do not have to have a strong technical background for someone to do this, he said Tuesday. They probably have a technically gifted kid who probably is in their neighborhood.
If cell phone surveillance is so easy to abuse, then our intelligence agencies are probably abusing it.
What would be the best tool to track large numbers of US Citizens ("terrorists?") at once? "Presence Technologies" would make it very easy to abuse whole groups of people at once. The FBI made secret tapes of Martin Luther King to discredit him, then made preparations to promote someone "to assume the role of leadership of the Negro people when King has been completely discredited".
Once the technology is perfected, it won't be any harder to add to all the cell phones in the US than the remote listening capabilities were. Tools like this would reduce the amount of manpower it would need to track many thousands of people at once, and make recordings to privately threaten them with when necessary. Projects like the defunct "Total Information Awareness" demonstrate the desire of the government to know "everything" about it's citizens.
Wired magazine predicted all this in 2001 .
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Re:Wonderful
Flash was huge before 2005. v5 may have been when things started to take off, I don't really know...but Flash definitely had the majority of the market well before Youtube and Adobe came around.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/ITFacts/?p=6005
References a page on Macromedia.com which now only shows 2006 stats but I don't see why they'd post a blatant lie. In 2004 Flash had well over 90% penetration in US and Europe. -
Re:RTFA?
The zdnet blog article is here: http://government.zdnet.com/?p=3237
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Re:RTFA?
My mistake : http://government.zdnet.com/?p=3237
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Re:RTFA?
http://whitepapers.zdnet.com/whitepaper.aspx?doci
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Re:Does this count all the secret fixes?
While I've certainly heard of Microsoft not disclosing the vulnerabilities until their patches are released, I've never heard of them patching things completely in secret. Do you have any citations to back that up?
Skeletins in Microsoft's Patch-day Closet
It's interesting that you attack Microsoft for secrecy but say nothing about Apple, which is famous for its hostile attitude towards people who discover exploits as well as their secrecy about their patches are what they fix.
You seem to be under a misapprehension here. I'm not defending Apple. I'm simply pointing out that Microsoft has more ability to hide security flaws in their software than any company that uses a significant amount of open-source software, and thus they can artificially reduce their "score" in this game to a far greater extent than either of the other organizations mentioned by Jones. That is, regardless of Apple's motivations and actions, they are simply not capable of hiding patches as effectively as Microsoft.
So:
1. Microsoft has more ability to "game the system" than Red Hat, Apple, or any other organization using a significant amount of open-source software in their product.
2. Microsoft has acknowledged that they are engaged in gaming the system.
I would be happy to discuss Apple's past behavior in an appropriate context. In fact if you google around you'll find that I've been quite critical of Apple when I've felt it warranted. There's plenty of other skeletons in Microsoft's closet if you want to get into a fan war, but you'll have to find someone else for THAT debate... again, google around, you'll find I defend Microsoft when I believe it's warranted. Basically, I'm poorly equipped for the kind of debate that requires uncritical acceptance or dismissal of of one company's position on every subject.
Here and now, Microsoft's figures can not be accepted on face value. Unless Microsoft reveals ALL the details of the vulnerabilities they've corrected they can't be considered comparable to even Apple's figures with their heavy loading of open source software, let alone Red Hat's. -
Flawed Logic
First sentence is correct. Author didn't distinguish bug/vulernability.
The second sentence, while double-plus-good Microsoft PR speak, is critically flawed reasoning.
If the parent said "Known Vista vulnerabilities..." I would agree, but that still glides over many fundamental liabilities that Microsoft products push onto the customer like:
1. The concept of security in Microsoft products means protect Microsoft's intellectual property.
2. No one can reasonably predict the scope or scale of Microsoft vulnerabilities.
3. Given Microsoft's history of producing "secure" operating systems, it is reasonable to assume there is no evidence end-user security features makes it through to the end product. Note carefully, Microsoft has *very* talented programmers who can code securely after all their monopoly status affords them this luxury. I'm saying that their work doesn't make it all the way through the management gauntlet. UAC is a perfect example. It is not a security boundary. http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=175
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Re:Badgeware is the problem
Thank you Bruce. Someone needed to explain the situation a little better.
I've seen this problem for a while from my experience with SugarCRM. They use a modified Mozilla Public License Version 1.1 (SugarCRM Public License) that requires attribution with a logo on the bottom of every page. This was not the case initially but when SugarCRM was at version 1.5 a company used the Open Source license to create their own product (vTiger CRM) and it pissed off the people at Sugar so they changed the license. Now on the vTiger homepage they advertise with "Tired of kinda, sorta Open Source? Get the honest Open Source: vTiger CRM". SugarCRM isn't really Open Source. They are just profiting from using that term.
I am glad OSI is cracking down. These companies are misleading consumers into thinking they have certain freedoms because their software is "Open Source" but it really isn't. Oh, and don't give me that crap about you can define Open Source however you want. Open Source needs to have a concrete definition or it means nothing. Companies like SugarCRM are damaging that definition. If everyone got to define Open Source it would have no definition.
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more nonsense.
Wait, yuore telling me the Mozilla foundation does not get money (72 million) from google to make it the default search AND I'm paid by MS because I mentioned this fact? Are you just stupid or crazy and stupid?
I think you might be paid by M$ because you sound like they do. Anyone who could doubt the supremacy of Google as a search engine is insane. Also, your bad manners and basic misunderstanding of free software can only come from Redmond.
You happen to be right about Google giving money to Mozilla, though I can't vouch for the amount because the ZDNet (Wintel Rag) contradicts you.
Still, this does not matter because Firefox is free software as is Konqueror. Every distribution's choice of Google and ultimately every user's choice is indeed a mater of merit. If there's not an actual setting, anyone of those distributions could recompile the browser to include whatever search engine they want. The idea that teh Evil Google is buying influence in the free software world does not hold water like it would in the non free world where people don't really have software control or choices.
You can sit here and rain all day but it won't do you any good. You can call me stupid and crazy. You can say Google is evil and sucks. None of that will give M$ what it needs: product and sales. The end of the M$ gravy train is here.
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Re:I hate to say it...
Not quite,
Assuming a 70W difference (more than what Intel claims) in TDP at 100% utilization (unlikely) and a 10c kWh (residential prices are lower, not to mention corporate rates), that works out to 50*0.001*24*365*0.1 = $43 for a year.
Even if you double that to account for extra air-con costs, you're still far from it. The cheapest core-duo is around 200$. The above calculations are for high-end CPU, which cost hundreds more.
In reality, CPU utilization average is generally nowhere near 100% over a whole year, and AMD CPUs have a good power-saving mode (better than Intel's in my experience) when idle which ensures lower actual TDP differences. -
Re:Datacenter????Nowhere in the wikipedia entry does it say that is "criteria" for a data center. In fact, it says things like "they generally include..." or "are usually"
While it doesn't say that those are the "criteria", you even concede that the article says that they "generally include" or "are usually" comprised of the listed criteria, so I don't think I'm that far off the mark in thinking that the items mentioned would be considered "standard".
But that's no reason to go on a rant about what a "data center" vs. a "server room" is.
In fairness, I didn't go on a rant. I made a rather succinct (and ok maybe a little sarcastic) comment about the scope of what is generally considered a datacenter, and subsequently responded to various differing opinions. If I had posted some lengthy diatribe about how "real men work in datacenters of X size" or something to that effect, I'd admit I'd flown off the handle, but I was merely trying to make a point and for some reason it seemed to really piss a few people off.
I have to ask - what is your exact minimum qualifications of square footage, number of racks, kw density, storage density, and kw requirements before you would consider it a "data center"? As I stated in this reply, I don't think there's a minimum of square footage or even necessarily minimum capacity in terms of KW consumption or data throughput. I DO, however, contend that there are certain "benchmark" levels of infrastructure that one must have to call a facility a datacenter (versus a server room, colo room, IT lab, etc etc). Some of those levels are truly redundant utility feeds (from different substations/grids), redundant generators (if you need 1, you have 2, just in case), redundant UPS's (ditto), static switches and associated gear (for moving a "live" critical load), FM-200, real access control (physical security, biometrics, motion detector camera systems, etc).
I guess I'm just surprised that a few people are really bothered by this. I've got guys arguing with me that their buddy's garage with a UPS and an air conditioner is a datacenter for crying out loud!! This isn't about my trying to be egocentric or playing "my datacenter can beat up your datacenter" at all, I'm merely pointing out that it's not really fair to use the same term to refer to places like mentioned in the article and places like these, or this, or this, or this.
You make a good point that it is all relative to a degree, and perhaps people are reacting to what I'm saying because quite frankly, some of them might not have seen a large datacenter before (other than in the movies) and thus are perceiving that I'm trying to dump on where they work/have worked. In truth, I'm just taking issue with everything being lumped together, particularly within the context of a discussion of building one (apparently from start to finish) in 60 days. It's just a ridiculous suggestion. It's no more ridiculous than suggesting that a drive across town in a Yugo is the same thing as a drive across the country in a Ferrari (yes, I even had someone in another thread use the old Slashdot car analogy on me) because they're both taking place in cars. I'm not dumping on the Yugo or claiming the Ferrari's better, I'm just saying it's not really the same thing and one's definitely going to cost more and take longer. -
Re:The proof is in the pudding
Here's the pudding from zdnet's gallery. Looks great to me and I can't wait to get a camera with this technology. I just bought a new camera and I'm almost sorry I did now.
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Slashdot headline inaccurate
I know that it's hard to RTFA when the link is messed up, but http://government.zdnet.com/?p=3218 is pretty easy to find. It clearly states that the judge doesn't want the RAM turned over, but the data that is stored there.
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Re:link is broken
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Broken Link?
Try this: ZDnet.com
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link is broken
Here is a working link to the article: http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-6190900.html
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Re:Linus, please join us in the here and now....
Single-threaded SPARC performance on modern processors is perfectly fine. In fact it's better than on Intel / AMD in that it's always the same. ie - it runs the same speed, regardless of load.
What? What the hell are you talking about?
"runs the same speed" regardless of "load"? Could you please use some technical terms here? x86 instructions complete in a given number of cycles (barring branch misprediction, to which SPARC is not immune) so intel/AMD chips also always run at the same speed (barring throttling.)
I've had horrible experiences with RedHat in particular
Well, that's fair - so has everyone else. (Some people are simply willing to overlook them)
They aren't making Solaris look like Linux, they are however, making Solaris cross platform (Sparc/AMD/Intel)
*cough*bullshit*cough* As a newborn Sun employee, Murdock is thinking about making Solaris more Linux-like. "When people say Linux what do they mean? Linux is a kernel. Cool apps are not written to the kernel. The OS powers higher levels of the stack. What we want is an open OS platform and to make sure that the existing skill sets and knowledge and training investments are leveraged. We don't want to make them learn a new product or rip and replace," Murdock said. "You can make a real argument that Solaris innovated more than Linux in the last few years--such as DTrace and ZFS--but usability stands in the way of appreciating that," Murdock said. "Part of what we are working on is closing the usability gap so that it doesn't stand in the way." (next para, emphasis mine:) "There is no reason we can't make Solaris look and feel more like Linux," he continued. "There are a couple of ways we could do it. We could stick a penguin on it or take a Linux distribution and put a Solaris kernel in it. There are a few Solaris-based distros that have done that. Personally, as the person charting the course and looking at the strategy question, it becomes how to keep the competitive differentiation of Solaris while closing the usability gap."
Perhaps you should try to be informed before you attempt to refute my statements? Especially since you're wrong.
Also, it's worth noting that there's Sun SPARC-based hardware that OpenSolaris doesn't run on, because Sun won't give out sufficient specifications. Theo's way of putting it was "Sun released CPU docs, but that's useless. It is kind of like trying to fix a car engine with the owner's manual. The rest of the hardware is not documented."
Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time.
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Re:Communist over Capitalist
I don't exactly understand how this is a communism over capitalism issue. It's simply the current laws of the environment that you are trying to operate in. It's similar to eBay's struggle in France over Nazi memorabilia. Now one could argue that France is definitely sliding toward socialism/communism, but regardless eBay cannot display Nazi memorabilia auctions to French based IP addresses. See the attached link for more information. http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-525752.html This is simply a similar issue. Yahoo, Google, et al must comply with local jurisdiction to stay in business. Another example is Gambling sites being illegal in the US. The only issue here is that the US hasn't taken the effort to block access to those sites from the US, yet.
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Re:Haven't you learned anything Sun?
Not exactly true. Apple is one of the largest PC manufacturers (and was when they dropped ATI as well). Their OS share may be low, but they are a big hardware maker. (Fourth largest in the September quarter last year: http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-6127255.html?t
a g=nl).For an OS comparison, a Dell is the same as an Acer is the same a HP. But as for hardware, these are all different.
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Re:Retribution
There's an article here. I believe the shipped Macs still went with ATI, but they removed all references to ATI from the keynote and exhibit hall and gave ATI the cold shoulder for a while.