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Max von H. found the
following on PalmStation: "It seems Samsung is about to ship out a Linux PDA this summer, and it will be called Yopy. Neat, isn't it? " A little slow link, but definitely more interesting then most of the other data on the Samsung devices we've seen in the past. It looks like it's mimicing a lot of the wince stuff... also appears to have a camera option. Nifty stuff
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Great idea. Anyone for a game of PDA Quake?
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You know I've wanted something like this for awhile now. If we could get MP3 playing capabilities, maybe some voice recording (for short notes, etc), and wireless email I'd be in heaven!
If there was an optional cd-rom and a voodoo 3 2000 video card I would consider buying it.
http://www.sem.samsung.co.kr/eng/product/digital/p da/index.htm
According to this picture, it plays mp3s and has support for wireless email. No voice recording, though.
It does look pretty nifty. Beats WinCE any day. *And* it plays Ricky Martin songs, so you know it's good!
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Here is the link I found on Samsungs Korean site.
That looks really cool, with the web browser and the integrated video. It also apparently does e-mail and plays mp3s and whatnot, but I'd still want an xterm mode. :)
Anyhow, here's the picture with the specs. It's got a 200Mhz ARM chip (probably for low power consumption) and 32MB RAM. Anyone have more info on this?
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Well, I can't really comment too much on how I think this is going to revolutionize Linux, and push Linux over the top, but I'm sure somebody will. What I have to say about this is ... wow ... That thing looks slick.
... wow ... I'm impressed.
I'm basing this totally on aesthetics right now, as it definately appeals to my sense of what a palm-held device ought to look like. I think I've found MY next MP3 Player. Looks like ARM has gone a long way since the last time I checked its progress. Way to go.
Taken from the specs page
Strong CPU of High Performance
Is anyone able to narrow that down a little bit??? I'd kinda like to know what I'm up against if I'm to use this thing for anything other than appointments and MP3s. I'd also like to know how much storage space is available on those "CompactFlash" cards anyway...
Also, anybody have any idea why they chose to create their own 'Yopy browser'? Seems like after going to all the effort to port the OS and get ARM going, they'd just use one of the browsers readily available to choose from. The Linux scene is definately hopping with them.
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Now, on the poster in this picture, it mentions voice recording as a feature. Silly me.
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Windows CE! At least a bit too much for my tastes... I used both WinCE and PalmOS device, and for what I've seen on the pictures, they seem to reproduce the "Bad Things" of WinCE, like the "start bar" at the bottom of the screen, etc.
Of course, maybe all this can be modified by the user... That would be the ultimate cool thing!! Also, anyone knows if there's writing recognition like for the Palm?
JulyenOk, nice that it's a PDA running linux, but what can this thing do? What kind of display does it have, what kind of in/output capabilities? (i'd love to run QuakeWorld on one of those ... ;)
btw: it isn't a slow link at all, at least, for people living in the Netherlands.
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This is cool too: Samsung and Lineo Press Release.
Samsung is falling into the same pitfall as the manufacturers of WinCE devices before them. Trying to cram an entire desktop operating system into a handheld is simply ludicrous. Admittedly, Linux is pprobably better suited for these purposes than CE, but it doesn't look Samsung did a whole lot to tune the interface for a PDA. As a user of both Palm and CE devices, I much prefer a simplified GUI like the Palm. It seems like this would have been possible with Linux, but the screenshots still show the dreaded Start menu. Alas, a good idea shot down by poor implementation.
I'm sure there was a radio button in one of those picture.
I wonder what it will do. Possibly a radio card or something>
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What's with the "cute" penguin mascot?
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How hard would it to put a word ignore in our prefrences? With defautls of "Natalie Portman", "hot grits" and "beowulf", and an excessive caps ignore? If a post contains any of the words, it doesn't get displayed, regardless of the score.
Then I could read the couple decent AC posts without having to read at +2 and hoping some poort sap that reads at 0 or 1 moderates them up.
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Jesus.. 200Mhz and 32mb is a lot. I could run Apache on it... A wireless pocket Web server!
Finally, someone came out with a PDA that has a button arrangement for playing games. :) Very similar to a gameboy...
The reason I ask, is it would be pretty easy (?) to run the distributed.net client(s), and if it has a reasonably fast processor, it wouldn't be a waste.
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So that's that the "Embedix Browser" looks like...
It scares me that this machine is more powerful than my old P133. Man, did it suck before X had decent Mach64 support, and I could only run it in 320x200. I guess that's something like this PDA will be, except without a real keyboard...
It entertains me that Microsoft had to make an entire new OS to do this, whereas Linux had an ARM port, and can be stripped down sufficiently without creating a new API.
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That screen had a freakin' start button on it. What the heck? You take Linux and some version of X, and you have a million and two options, and what do they do? The put a start button on it? I've read that even wince won't have the start button any more because it really sucks for a PDA. Why does Samsung want one now?
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Does anyone have any price information on this? I've found the specs and pictures all over the place, but I can't find any mention of a suggested retail price. This could be anywhere from $50-$1000 for all I know.
Anybody have and "inside" info or find something I missed regarding price?
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This thing looks great but I am worried about a couple things. It almost seems that they are trying to do too much in a little PDA. Do you really want to use all of your RAM to store 6 mp3s? Will the RAM user upgradable? And what about syncing? They show it hooked up to a MS Laptop. AM I going to have to boot into a MS Operating system to synch this, or use transfer the "extra stuff" other than the the "normal" PDA studd (The MP3s and Pictures)
While a Linux handheld would be cool in its own right, I see very few references to what applications this thing is going to run. Have they been developed by Samsung? If this is going to be a useful PDA, then I hope they are going to have to have some decent PDA-style applications to go along with it.
I'm a little suspicious that none of the screenshots are showing any scheduling programs or other PDA-mainstays.
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Lets just hope that they: a: Provide a Linux sync client!!! b: Don't violate the GPL c: Give it networking operability!!! Call me a cynic, but the Linux community is increasingly getting screwed by companies using the kernel and abusing it. If we have to reverse engineer the comms language for this one that Samsung is going to get a big F*** you from me....
So Rob says its a slow link....imagine after it gets /.ed..
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So does this mean Samsung's got a handwriting recognition client for Linux? I wonder if they'll GPL it.
...without a keyboard?
Questions I have:
1. Does a keyboard peripheral exist or is one planned?
2. Can you get beneath the desktop? It would be great if they allowed the user to customize the interface. They could even create new interfaces later and let you switch between the one you want.
3. The battery is listed as 1400mA Recharge Li-Ion. Has anyone heard any estimates of how long it lasts? (esp. when used as a continuous MP3 player.)
4. I want the power! Can the user trash features they don't want to make room for features they do? (If I don't get the camera, I don't want the baggage.)
5. Okay, if I do want the camera, am I stuck with just one choice? Price?
Nitpicking aside... looks way cool.
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Just wondering, how did this post get rated -2?
When you hear about something like this, you really have to ask yourself, is it practical? Linux is a UNIX. No matter how slimmed down, it still carries a lot of UNIX baggage. It still has a lot of complexity that a PDA really doesn't need. MS has fallen into the same trap by shoe-horning windows into PDAs and ended up with the monstrosity that is WinCE. Even in text mode, Linux needs about 4 meg to run comfortably. Thats great when you have a 32 meg RAM PC, but think about it, that 32 meg is mostly going to storage for apps. So in the end, you really end up with about 8 meg or so, and if half that is taken up by the OS, that leaves precious little for the OS. PDAs are in a strange position. They are too big for a PalmOS type OS, but too small for a desktop or laptop OS. Instead of shrinking the desktop OS, doesn't it make sense to enlarge the small OS? I would think that a better starting point for a device like this would be QNX. The kernel is 32K, includeds networking, and Photon is really small and fast. Of course you still have the problem that make WinCE handhelds a pain to use. The desktop metaphor reeks on a 4" screen! Ideally, you'd have a taskbar with a start menu type thing, and would switch apps just by clicking on the taskbar. Throw out the rest of this desktop metaphor. There is a reason that palms are so popular; the interface fits on a PDA. It seems to me that Palm, GeOS, and Netwon are the only ones who ever "got it."
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I was just trying to figure out does Hand Writing mean Handwriting like the Newton's or (Full Handwrinting Print, or Cursive) like the Palm's Graffiti. I am hoping that it is more like the newton. Also, does this thing use it's own display mechinism, or is it X? I would immagine it would just take up too much memory or the 32 megs to do it that way, or maybe framebuffers? One last thing, could I put standard linux stuff on it like gcc, it would be fun to be able to have a neat portable compiler like that, I only wonder how long it would take to compile the kernel on that thing?
It's got a start bar. Please tell me you can disable that...
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Like -2, Then these trolls will get pissed and stop posting if they can't view thier own comments
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The way I see it, it all comes down to what you can do with it. You could put linux on a toaster if you wanted to but what would be the point? If you can actually use it LIKE linux, on this pda then that's great, but I think realisticly that all the os is probally going to be on a rom somewhere leaving you with no customization maybe meaning that you are stuck running KDE, Gnome or what ever they want you to.
Now as for all this talk of playing quake or other games, I don't think it would be very good just for the fact of the strange resolution that it probally has, and that there are only two buttons and a directional type pad, would make it bad to play.
All I have seen on this is the pictures on the link from this story, and the info on samsung's page, but from what I can see, it looks just like Samsung is trying to hop on the Linux bandwagon.
It does look like a nice palmtop though, so it might be a good product. I'm just worried about the actual customizability.
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I couldn't help but notice--not only does the GUI look exactly like WinCE, even the hardware looks like a WinCE PDA (judging from what I've seen of my friend's Cassiopeia). Most of the buttons seem to be the same. The select dial and escape but are identical, right down to the labels, to those on the Cassiopeia.
From all that I can find on ARM's and Samsung's website, it appears that the CPU in the machine is some member of the ARM9 family, probably the
ARM9E-S, because it includes DSP instructions. The spec sheet for the PDA says it has a 3D audio codec (probably dolby because the ARM9 dsp can handle that) plays MP3s and MPEG video, all of which the ARM9E-S is perfectly suited to do. You can go too this website http://www.arm.com/Pro+Peripherals/Cores/ARM9ES/
to find out some more about the CPU. Its a really nice CPU, puts out about 200 something MIPS and uses about 1.3 or 2.5 mW/MHz depending on the what voltage its running at.
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I'm sorry but when a company says "Strong CPU of High Performance" they don't know shit. Just think of a 400Mhz Transmeta handheld running x86 programs.........now who wants a Samsung?
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But it looks gnarly. Pretty close, better in fact, than my Ultimate Gadget I made last year.
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While I am truly excited about getting my hands on one of these, I would really have wished for a bit bigger screen.. I am a trusty Newton user, simply because it is the ultimate tool for handwritten notes, not just because of it's recognition engine, but simply because, it has the perfect size for taking digital notes...
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what are the possibilities for a handwriting recognizer to run under Linux?
Does such an app exist... and if so is it free?
Is it at all feasable to waste space and time with such an engine for such a small screen size...
I have previously had a PalmPilot, and while i was very satisfied with it, I never really used it for taking notes... does anybody have some good or bad experiences with taking notes on a screen of this size??
OK, Samsung. This is probably the single coolest PDA I've ever seen. Period. But, that being said, a few things need to be done before it's pushed out to the masses.
First, the User Interface is a disaster. The Start button makes me sick and the fonts look like a throw-back from the DOS days. And it might be a good idea to interface through USB, as Linux 2.3 [soon to be 2.4] supports USB. Win98 supports USB. [Free, Net, Open]BSD[i] supports USB as well.
And maybe you should chat with the XMMS team before you finalize your MP3 player's interface. It looks kind of gawky.
But, look. It's an awesome CPU. Nice and healty memory, and look at that LCD!
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does this USB port allows only to connect this
PDA to computer, or does it also allows to
connect various devices to PDA?
Connecting USB keyboard or ZIP drive
could be pretty cool option!
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Just wondering, how did this post get rated -2?
Well, if you take a good look at his post, you'll see that he mentioned both Internet Explorer and Windows 95, yet he did not even make one juvenile anti-Microsoft comment. You see, we're at Slashdot, and that kind of behavior is just unacceptable here. Hope this helps.
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Well, it is slow because they use 1024x768 full color jpegs, aparently compressed at a relatively high quality setting.
First: A disclaimer. I know admittedly little about the hardware, etc in these things, so I know now how accurate the following statement will be.
That said, this might very well be another possibility in some ideas I have been tossin around for a wearable linux based machine I plan to build over the summer. My previous plan called for using some pc104 boards and building a cheezy led based i/o device till i could afford a spiffy glasses mount. With this, I could use the color screen when I really needed that functionality, yet still have the leds for my more minute to minute uses. More importantly, though, will I be able to hack a way to hook up a twiddler to this thing for typing? And for that matter, how open will the interface be? I might want to hack around the windoze based interface and get something much more basic and fvwm-like to save resources for other things, like context-aware applications and the such.
Just my $0.02US... I'd appreciate any feedback from those who might be more knowledgeable about these things.
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Just thought I'd share a couple of ideas with you about what I think the ideal features of a PDA are, and what samsung got right (plus a few things they got wrong).
First, a PDA should definately run Linux, or maybe NetBSD. These are pretty much the 2 most scalable OSes out there (at least in the downward direction) that don't sacrifice any of the functionality or compatibility you get on larger systems. Having a unified platform between the desktop and the handheld is important for developers, and neither wince or PalmOS does this.
Plus, Linux is extremely stable, which is very important in the embedded market. Think if you're on a vacation and your PDA fails. "Darn honey, my handheld just crashed. I've lost the road map, our music for the car, the photos we took at the grand canyon, and my notes for my meeting on Monday." Not a good thing.
Secondly, the interface should not be a "desktop-clone". Multiple cascading menus are far too much clutter for a PDA screen. The UI should be simple and intuitive and targeted for handheld applications, not desktop ones. PalmOS does a very good job of this. Wince does not. It's my opinion that PDAs should use some version of X so that development is easy, but none of the current window managers are going to do very well on such a small screen, so a new interface is necessary.
Thirdly, the device should have advanced multimedia and productivity capabilities. It should have things like an MP3 and movie player. It should have a word processor and a spreadsheet. It should definately have a graphical web browser. Wince has these things, PalmOS doesn't. It's my belief that a Linux PDA should have all of these applications, but they should have a much simpler interface than their desktop cousins.
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Well, he who is afraid to reveal his name, I have in my past used Linux, I own 2 WinCE devices (nino 500s), and 2 Palm Vxs. I must say that WinCE is GARBAGE. Its too damn slow, poorly constructed, and just generally lame.
I'm TOTALLY sure that the linux pda will SLAY any WinCE device.
This is great BUT!
-Will it sync with Linux?
-When/Where can i get the source?
-looks a good deal bigger than my PalmVx.
-seems more aimed at portable multimedia than PDA
If i bought one it would not replace my palm. It would however complement it nicely. Although Yopy can do PIM stuff, it would seem more useful as an MP3, portable video, radio, and internet device. BTW, i like how it will use a mobile phone to connect to the internet instead of requiring that you buy a new device and pay exorbitant prices for mobile internet.
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If you evenly place the full weight of beowulf on to back of this pda, it should support it. Don't let it stand on the screen though!
What "baggage" are you referring to? Unix is fine for PDAs because you can simply remove those pieces you don't need. And 32M of RAM is more than plenty - lots of people ran Linux on 486's with 8 or even 4M.
As far as why Linux is a good choice, it's because the standard is there and people are familiar with it. Jumping to something like QNX just slashes your developer base. As well, think about the future - even two years from now, that processor is going to double in power and the RAM will increase, and pretty soon all the reasons why you chose QNX have dissappeared.
If I'm going to be carrying something like this around in my pocket, it better be tailorable to exactly what I want it to do. Linux is the way to make this possible.
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Also, if you look at his user info, you'll see another -2 post. Is this a new Slash karma thing? I think that would work, as it seems this guy's a fairly unsavory character (can you say "First Post?").
Go figure.
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OK, Linux will likely be better than WinCE for a handheld (simply because it's a better desktop OS), but we don't really know if Mobile Linux will be a good handheld OS. Squeezing a desktop OS into a handheld, as M$ has done, has many disadvantages (Back when CE first came out, it was only us Palm-ites that blasted CE for this, but now pretty much everyone recognizes it).
So far the only WinCE devices that are as small as Palms use a CPU that's too slow. The Yopy should be fast, but it looks big too. Who knows if a Linux handheld can be made in the Palm form-factor?
The EPOC32 OS is an excellent handheld OS. Psion could make something the size of a PalmIII (if not PalmV). Last year, there were reports of an "EPOC32 kernal with a Palm GUI on top" project for cell phones. Is that coming out for handhelds? If so, when?
To all of you who complained that the yopi has a start bar, it looks like it can be disabled:
See: http://www.gicom.de/yopy/dsc00354.jpg
BTW, any idea on the weight / battery life / price of the yopi?
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I must say I've seen a lot of lame posting on the list today, but thats not what I'm posting about.
I must say that is one DAMNED nice PDA, I've noticed a few mentions on how it isn't going to be thats great because it linux is too big an os for a PDA, but what if you could hook up a USB zip drive to it, that would make things a lot nicer, or iomegas smaller veriation, a click drive, I'm sure one of those would make it all the more nicer (and it isn't too much bigger).
I also like the way they've put in the mp3 player into it, its almost like it does everything, which gives me my doubts as to weather it is a prank or not cause something can't be this good.
Well that was my 2 seconds worth.
The crinkly bits compared to a palm are:
The pictures on the original page indicate that Linux will run out of 32-megs of ROM and 32-megs of RAM. It also looks like SAMSUNG is going to try to take advantage of all the chip's features (the disappointing thing about Palm is that they didn't take advantage of all the Dragonball's features).
The thing to remember is that Samsung is like only putting together a reference design from Intel with a reference implementation of Linux (probably from Lineo) and standard off-the-shelf apps (like MP3 players) with minor modifications. The PDA-style apps are probably the Lineo PDA suite. Getting all this to work well in a limitted power budget will be tough enough. The first version will probably not contain any wizbang features beyond this.
The burning questions I have:
Actually, phrases like "Strong CPU of High Performance" are obvious artifacts of clumsy translations. Korean companies are VERY fond of putting much hyperbole and near-propaganda in their ad copy. All of this seems normal to their local market, and needs to be rebuilt when they move products to the US.
There are some amazingly humorous ads in the computer magazines, if you read dead trees, that are really badly done quick-translations. So, the company may know everything, but the ad geeks are kinda strange.
I've spent over 4 years living and working in Korea, with the added benefit of knowing the language, so I'm not just talking out my @$$ here, honestly.
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If this little whizbang is indeed running Linux (and, I assume, X as it seems to have a GUI) then there shouldn't be anything stopping us, the community, from getting in there and enhancing/replacing whatever we don't like.
Don't like their GUI? Great! Write an X app to replace it.
Makes me wonder what they're using on top of X for window management...
And if thats all it is it will be a dismal failure. WinCE isn't getting clobbered in the market because its unstable, bloated or slow (while it may be all of those, the hardware Casio et al has been throwing at it makes it fairly nimble compared to the Palm) -- its getting clobbered because its hard to use.
I'll give you an example: in the medical field people need to access to large amounts of data - being able to get a complete drug book in your PDA saves time and lives. Access to texts on basic disesases and therapies without leaving the wards is a godsend. WindowsCE devices offer a lot of expansion memory - the PalmOS is limited to 8 megs (ignoring the nifty new TRGPro). None the less I've yet to see _anyone_ using a WinCE device.
So where is the advantage of Linux here? The existing desktops would be just as bad (and possibly _worse_) than WinCE in terms of ease of use: does anyone seriouslly think KDE or Gnome would work well on one of these tiny screens?
What these devices will need is an entirely new desktop, one designed from the ground up to for handheld devices - one like the PalmOS. With that in place, a vendor could take advatage of the tremendous developer energy in the opens source community. I hope Samsung has a some tricks up their sleeves, cuz from these pictures they are going to get they are going to have a lot of unshippable inventory.
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Right now, my real problem is where to get the processing unit. At first, I can use my old p120 IBM ThinkPad, but it is unnessacarly bulky due to the desktop perifierals (keybord and LCD) and it has really crappy battery life (2 hrs, if I'm lucky) So, I've been shopping around for a small, cheap, low-power consumeing cpu unit, with a serial, keyboard, vga, and PCMCIA capabilities. I alrealdy have a modem and either PCMCIA cards for my laptop. Anyhow, I've never seen anything like this except for with x86 processors. I'd buy one of these things if I could get the vga out and pcmcia (preferably with no screen)
http://www.gmate.co.kr/english/frame1.htm G.Mate created Yopy for Samsung. Look especially on the bulletin board. BTW: Today on CeBIT I had Yopy in my hands and I already love it...
I'm hoping eventually to see palmtops with just a connector for some virtual-reality glasses. Then, you can have as complex a desktop as your electronics can support in a portable package, and without constraining the actual computing module by the shape of the output device.
Of course, the proper input device for such a beasty is probably still under debate. If you have a complicated desktop possible, then one of those handheld cording keyboards would probably be more efficient than a stylus arrangement.
Its strange, untill recently I had not heard much about the dragonball. I have mostly heard the Palm core simply refered to as a 68k. Unlike other Motorola microcontrollers (esp the HC11) there does not seem to be many protoboards or development/hobyist kits available.
Just my 2/100 of a dollar.
Anyone have any insight (or, preferrably, a source) that can confirm what the PDA will use for a windowing environment?
I was already lightly crisped for suggesting that the environment might be X (and somewhat understandably so).
Here's to hoping that whatever the environment, it has a published API!
A lot more info, plus a Board where the creators are answering questions, etc.
It appears to use W-Windows (http://devnull.owl.de/~frank/W.html) and they wil be providing a GTK-Like api...
All this, and more at http://www.gmate.co.kr/
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It looks strikingly similar to the A2D Winamp/XMMS skin. I wonder if that was the influence. Actually, I kinda like that skin, but it would be nice to be able to change it.
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There are many physical similarities between the Yopy and CE handhelds: the size of the display (320x240), 4-way rocker switch on the front, the scroll-wheel on the side with action/record buttons. I even remember seeing a device before that had the backlight switch at the top of the display, just like the Yopy. The only thing I can't account for is the StrongARM CPU: there _is_ a port of CE to the StrongARM, but I can't find any Palm-sized devices that used it. (HP does have HPCs based on SA, e.g. the Jornada 820.)
Note that Philips discontinued their palm-sized WinCE devices a while ago. Is it possible that they sold the design to Samsung...?
Why doesn't someone get off their keister and put a friggin' microdrive in some of these? Sheesh! They are small as sin, you can actually put a real amount of apps on them! Keep the ROM and ram, maybe put in some way to flash it with a new kernel (make dep;make clean;make bzFlash;make modules;make modules_install). Heck, if you wanted to get fancy with it, you have a couple of them and have friggin' software RAID in your palmtop! Think about it! You could store entire encyclopedias, it would make a great reference device. Include ht://dig (did I spell that right?) and voice recognition and you get almost a tricorder!
On a side note, I just got an email from the Yopy people (a derivative of Yuppie people?) saying that it would be available at the end of May in Europe and the US. Very cool.
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our product would be available by the end of May in US and Europe.
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Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 8:50 AM
Subject: Linux PDA
> Looks Like a winning product.
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> Where can I buy this?
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> Thank you
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What gives? Can you turn on the TFT "without backlight"?
They use W-Windows, which is GPL'ed. Soon they will release a toolkit with an interface similar to gtk.
-russ
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Hello? I saw a couple of the jpegs. Is this some joke? I wish everyone had the experience of navigating a hierarchical start menu on one of the wince devices. What a ridiculous concept for such a small interface!
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I just registered yopy.org (G.Mate has yopy.com and yopy.net). Once it hits the root nameservers, I'm gonna make a mailing list for would-be Yopy owners. The email address for subscriptions will be discuss-subscribe@yopy.org, but that won't work for another day or so.
-russ
Don't piss off The Angry Economist
I've been using a Palm Pro for ~2 years, enough time to become intimately familiar with Graffiti. To tell the truth, I find that taking notes on it better than writing on a piece of paper because you don't have to look down at what you're writing. Just write one letter on top of the other. Occasionally, it gets a letter wrong, but as long as you have a brain, you can tell that "wnitable" was supposed to be "writable".
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Also, a lot of people complain about writing on the slippery glass surface. Concept Kitchen makes these <A HREF="http://www.conceptkitchen.com/products/pdas
Well, that's all I have to say about that. I've never actually used a Newton, but I really like the palm's form factor.
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well you could just port xcopilot to the thing and run a palm in emulation on it. That way you could even run all the third party palm apps.
How hard is it to port stuff from x86 implementations of Linux/*BSD to the ARM processor? With a cruesoe device, this wouldn't be necessary, but I guess if enough hackers buy the Yopy, app shortage shouldn't be a big deal..
Could you run gcc on a Yopy and if so how
fast does it compile the kernel.
This further question is a off topic
Does anyone keep benchmarks of compile times
on different linux configurations? This would
be really valuable for deciding what hardware to
buy because I spend lots of time waiting for the
compiler and 20second-1minute makes a big difference when I'm in the removing syntax error
phase.
I've used a Cassiopeia. It's kinda cool, but terribly buggy.
:), and speed is comparable to the Linux that I know, then the Yopy should be great.
Starting out with a stable kernel is a fine start. MS just does'nt offer such a beast, after using Linux for 2 years on MANY different machines from i486DX33/8Mb to PII300/256Mb, I think I am experienced enough to say Linux is FAR more stable than anything M$ has to offer. I have only ever experienced ONE system hang, when I tried to run one HDD at -X66 and another at -X34 on the same IDE bus. I don't think anyone who has lived with both MS OS' and Linux can be blamed for thinking that the Yopy is going to be better due to its stable foundations. I really hope that they do it right, and keep Linux name out of the mud that M$ has never been able to squirm out of.
If stability, customizability
I've used Wince, it sucks worse than it's bigger brothers. For now, I'll take my Apple Message Pad any day.
War crimes, torture, lies, illegal spying... Would someone give Bush a blowjob, already, so he can be impeached?
You can set that up for yourself if you like.
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War crimes, torture, lies, illegal spying... Would someone give Bush a blowjob, already, so he can be impeached?
I'm not sure, but could they have Apache running on this thing?
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A sphincter says what?
That's the thing I'm really looking forward to.
Not only it would make carrying two devices around unnecessary, but the integration could probably enable some pretty cool things... Imagine managing the call log and phone book through any Linux app you choose, and that even without mentioning direct telephony support.
I have been holding out for over a year now waiting for something to come out on the market with color/linux/mp3 abilities. This looks like my wait is over. Hopefully they wont cost too much. $800.00 sounds good. Perhaps one day we will all have mobile computing devices running webservers or other services over an 30% wireless internet. So if I am in an air port and accessing a webpage it could be the guy sitting next to me with a PDA in his jacket. Hey where is so and so.. I dont know lets go to his webpage and see if he has updated his whereabouts from the taxi.
Microsoft aggravates my tourettes syndrome.
I'll disagree with this vehemently. It is precisely because of good AC content that I don't set my threshhold at 1, way too many times have I seen good or funny AC quickies. I've even shot off a few myself from time to time. Trolls suck (except for the good ones, you know who you are), but it's the good ACs that cause the problem.
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I can symaphtize with you wishing for a decent PDA running Linux, but this thing has (according to a Samsung guy at the CeBIT) a battery life of 4 hours working, 10-12 hours on standby.
Utterly useless for a PDA, the Palm has more like 10-12 weeks.
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Anybody know what the wireless protocol is for this? WAP/WIP? IP over cell?
I think it has an RS-232, so you can plug in any
keyboard. I think the best would be to get a
Twiddler, and run the yopy in text mode. Then
you could use Emacs to do ANYTHING. A perfect
swiss-army knife computer.
I saw this at Cebit.
It was really cool to see x11amp with graphical plugins playing on a little pda. =)
Wonder what else compiles on it.
/.Mattsson - My native language is not English, so please don't whine over linguistic errors. (That's lame anyway...)
http://yopy.org. Go there. Sign onto the mailing list. Do it now. Be happy.
-russ
Don't piss off The Angry Economist