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XBox Netplay Already
ElectusUnum writes "Well, it's been a little while since the XBox was released and people are already playing online! The folks at xboxgw.com have written a program to create an ethernet bridge between xbox's over the net, fooling the xbox's into thinking they're on a LAN. 1v1 seems to create no major lag and reports have come in like this one that claim up to four xbox's work fine. It seems a DSL connection is preferred for hosting the server." I want an X-Box so bad, or as I would call it, a DOA3-Box.
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A box with an ethernet controller has been attached to the network.
Congratulations! Keep up the hard work!!
Gentlemen, the time has come for a serious discussion on whether or not to continue using C for serious programming projects. As I will explain, I feel that C needs to be retired, much the same way that Fortran, Cobol and Perl have been. Furthermore, allow me to be so bold as to suggest a superior replacement to this outdated language.
To give you a little background on this subject, I was recently asked to develop a client/server project on a Unix platform for a Fortune 500 company. While I've never coded in C before I have coded in VB for fifteen years, and in Java for over ten, I was stunned to see how poorly C fared compared to these two, more low-level languages.
C's biggest difficulty, as we all know, is the fact that it is by far one of the slowest languages in existance, especially when compared to more modern languages such as Java. Although the reasons for this are varied, the main reasons seems to be the way C requires a programmer to laboriously work with chunks of memory.
Requiring a programmer to manipulate blocks of memory is a tedious way to program. This was satisfactory back in the early days of coding, but then again, so were punchcards. By using what are called "pointers" a C programmer is basically requiring the computer to do three sets of work rather than one. The first time requires the computer to duplicate whatever is stored in the memory space "pointed to" by the pointer. The second time requires it to perform the needed operation on this space. Finally the computer must delete the duplicate set and set the values of the original accordingly.
Clearly this is a horrendous use of resources and the chief reason why C is so slow. When one looks at a more modern (and a more serious) programming language like Java or, even better, Visual Basic, that lacks such archaic coding styles, one will also note a serious speed increase over C.
So what does this mean for the programming community? I think clearly that C needs to be abandonded. There are two candidates that would be a suitable replacement for it. Those are Java and Visual Basic.
Having programmed in both for many years, I believe that VB has the edge. Not only is it slightly faster than Java its also much easier to code in. I found C to be confusing, frightening and intimidating with its non-GUI-based coding style. Furthermore, I like to see the source code of the projects I work with. Java's source seems to be under the monopolistic thumb of Sun much the way that GCC is obscured from us by the marketing people at the FSF. Microsoft's "shared source" under which Visual Basic is released definately seems to be the most fair and reasonable of all the licenses in existance, with none of the harsh restrictions of the BSD license. It also lacks the GPLs requirement that anything coded with its tools becomes property of the FSF.
I hope to see a switch to VB very soon. I've already spoken with various luminaries in the *nix coding world and most are eager to begin to transition. Having just gotten off the phone with Mr. Alan Cox, I can say that he is quite thrilled with the speed increases that will occur when the Linux kernel is completely rewritten in Visual Basic. Richard Stallman plans to support this, and hopes that the great Swede himself, Linus Torvaldis, won't object to renaming Linux to VB/Linux. Although not a C coder himself, I'm told that Slashdot's very own Admiral Taco will support this on his web site.
Thank you for your time. Happy coding.
Egg Troll
C - A language that combines the speed of assembly with the ease of use of assembly.
Somebody add to my story, please! I've got writer's constipation like you wouldn't believe! -peepoh Tuesday, November 6, 20001. Digging through some boxes in the Psychology lab where I work today, I discovered an ancient box full of syringes, heroine, and what lookedto be the Rorschact Test. Then I found instructions for an old experiment that had been carried out here in the lab during World War II.Apparently the experimenters hypothesized that if American soldiers were to shell the Germans with artillery shells containing a gaseous form ofheroine and then dropped Rorschacht test cards from airplanes, they'd all just fall down into heaps of twitching, high-as-a-kite junkies.Naturally, it all made little sense to me. But then hey, why the hell not try it? So after preparing a syringe with the heroine, I pulled down my pants and injected it directly into my penis. Hey, I'm no perv. There's a lot of blood vessels in there just waiting to carry the delicious drug straight to my brain. I guess I should have known better than to inject 60-year-old opioids into my privates, though, because before I could remove the needle I slumped over forward and continued to fall -- all the way INTO one of the Rorschacht Test cards. Then some oddly catchy electronic music kicked in. Where was it coming from? So began Stage 1-1 of my odyssey.
Life is a scam. - Steve McQue
I just don't believe it.
Do you do it on purpose?
fuck you pussies
Why is this flamebait? Its quite an accurate summation of what has happened, mindless the pointless nerd-hyperbole. Really when you boil this story down, all that happened was someone got a box with an ethernet controller onto a network. This should be modded up as insightful!
C - A language that combines the speed of assembly with the ease of use of assembly.
I'm dying to give Halo a try, but after my short relationship with the PS2, I need to wait for CostCo to carry the Xbox, as they will take it back 6 months later when I'm bored with it.
-Toli
There goes the revenue I'm sure they were hoping to get off online gamers. How much do you want to bet future games won't work like this? Or even have any LAN support at all.
While it's true that developers can do whatever they want, I doubt Microsoft would let them use the system however they want (after all, do you think Sony would be very happy if someone released a 'game' that let people pirate PS2 games easily?)
This hack is pretty sweet, though. It would be really cool to play online games with people across the country (or world) without going through some stupid intermediary.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
I mean, this is cool and all if you want to play with someone you know across the country or something, but it's not really that useful until there are actual servers up with gamespy type software. I mean, you can only fight the same people so many times, you know?
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I'm getting more and more tempted into getting one of these things now. Anandtech reported the DVD playback was better than the PS2s which boosts its cred. All that is needed are some great games (i'd like to see midtown madness and maybe championship manager for it) and a crack to play multi-region DVDs, then I should be begging for one.
After this they just need to buy up bleem and release it so I can play my old PS games on the machine. If they can get EA, Namco and Capcom to support them they should make a killing.
The problem is that in America there is no price differential between the PS2 and XBox (both $299 me thinks). In the UK the Xbox should be coming out at £299, with the PS2 already at £199. There seems to be no incentive in the US for people to favour the PS2. But even over here I'm wanting a Xbox now. Oh well - only have to wait till next spring!
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if taco wants an xbox then wtf doesn't he buy one? It's not like he's poor.
also did anyone else notice that the plural of xbox should be xboxes or even xboxen! And it's "they're" not "their".
fooling the xbox's into thinking their on a LAN.
are just so amazingly complicated. Good thing after getting out of elemtary school you never have to think about any of that again.
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grep "xercist"
I like how the download is an RPM. That'll make Bill G happy. Besides, without him we couldn't have things like RPMs anyway.
"If he thinks he can hide and run from the United States and our allies, he's sorely mistaken." Bush on bin Laden
As for VB, it sucks. The overhead is massive, it's platform dependent, it's from the Evil empire... is this just Flamebait or are you Serious ?
"Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech."--Benjamin Franklin
After this they just need to buy up bleem and release it so I can play my old PS games on the machine.
What would be the legality of this? Any NALs want to comment? I know Bleem was found legal, but would it be different because of the direct competition between consoles? It certainly would be cool to play PSX games on Xbox. A PS(Linu)X-Box would be neat.
"If he thinks he can hide and run from the United States and our allies, he's sorely mistaken." Bush on bin Laden
I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.
It's nice to see so many people interested in this. I have been on the development team and would just like to let you all know where this project is headed. We are currently working on a matching server to hook people up to each other. The software is highly stable and fast. I just finished a 3xbox game less than a half hour ago. Pings were about 150ms, and there was NO lag. We are also working to implement chat. Expect another release in the next couple of days.
You don't make the poor richer by making the rich poorer. - Winston Churchill
YHBT. YHL. HAND.
And it should be obvious because his name is egg troll.
WIL WHEATON DOT NET
I bet he is absolutely serious...
Your crazy... I was big into street racing games for the PC and I thought Midtown madness was OK. I have an XBox and Project Gotham Racing is unreal. If it wasn't for the cartoony colorings of the buildings in the background, you almost can't tell the cars are computer generated. Watching the replay's it like watching a race on a digital television. They even went as far as adding the detail to the brake calipurs behind the rims! I love it!
Several days ago I posted a note about a friend of mine who got in trouble with Sony after posting home programming tools to the Internet. To revise my previous post, I believe it was a tool that allowed someone to write a PlayStation boot sector on a CD. My friend used it for writing his own programs to run on a PlayStation but perhaps Sony was understandably concerned it might lead to the copying of their games.
I just want to say how fascinating I find this culture of console hacking and programming. Here is Japan in the home of the console, I wish we had a more active community, but it does not seem to be so. I am not sure why not, especially since consoles are nearly uniform in popularity among all age groups and such.
My only fear is for these programmers. Microsoft is well know for its business practices, and I worry that they will disaprove of this Xbox net-play project. I do not see how this will hurt them but I still think they will not like it. Too bad since it will only make their console more popular.
R. Suzuka
does anybody else experience regular fuckups where it logs you out and won't let you reply or do anything? what the fuck is going on???
Now the trick would be to get it so that when some of these games are ported to Windows, to have them able to play against eachother across the internet. That would be the real gem in the Xbox and online gaming. I wonder if this would be even possible due to the obviously differences in the controls and the games themselves, but it would still be worth a try to get it to work.
Gizmo
Shut up Wesley!
--Jean Luc Picard
how in the fuck is this off topic? fuck you for being above the distinction between "their" and "there." You were raised by fucking germs.
So if you can't wait or would rather tweak and hack (and we are /.'ers right?) then the Xbox Gateway project is utterly fantastic..
Remember, the Xbox was only released 9 days ago... just wait another month, there will be so many mods and services added (think Gamespy-like) that once again, M$ will be behind the 8-ball just like they were with that 'internet' thing.
Why the fuck does commander taco want an xbox again????? One game? I thought if anyone realized that Microsoft and most anything made by them fucking sucks. The first time I read slashdot I was actually cheered by the little picture of Bill Gates as a Borg. Perhaps CT has been assimilated??
Anyhow, my opinio is the X-Box, besides being MS's way to make money in spite of flat PC sales, and also being their way to rip off an entire new segment of the industry, is MS's way to close the loop - to start manufacturing the hardware their OSes run on as well as all of the software. Basically, it's a bold step for Microsoft disguised as a game system, and I doubt if that is lost on the likes of Gateway, Compaq, and others who concentrate on the home PC business.
Juln
Whatever MS has coming down the pipe when they launch their XBox Online component will, I'm sure, be alot sweeter and better integrated with the games that come out around that time. What the fine folks at XBoxgw.com have done is simply allow XBoxes to connect to each other via the "System Link" and bridge that link thru the internet. Kudos to them.
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Yep, the metaserver they're hinting at will add more to the mix, but you're still dealing with a setup that not many Xbox users will be able to grok.
In other words, I'm hoping MS can see that this stuff is not threatening to them (after all, you still need to buy an XBox and Halo to play) and that they'll make Xboxonline even more robust. And I'm hoping the xboxgw guys realize that they should change the name of their software to something WITHOUT 'xbox' in the name to keep the lawyers away
- Miguel / Freewill / bs.bungie.org
this is the first tim'e i've noticed this:
the description of oddworld on the xbox.com website is as follows:
Save Oddworld from greedy corporate bigwigs and evil animal-testing researchers. You'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll meet Fuzzles about to fry. Simply neurotic...
i added the bold. am i the only one who finds this funny?
-- john
So what you're saying is that I have to use two boxes to play online games with an XBox? I think I'll wait until the Sony PS2 Networking kit (or better yet that much rumored Linux kit) is available...
Do the math. XBox + linux PC for online play is not a deal. $300 + time to set up your xboxgw software alone, assuming you already have yourself setup on a Linux box... wait, better yet, I'll get 2 XBoxes, install Linux on 1 of them and set it up as the gateway for the other... then M$ will lose twice the money!
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From the xboxgw.com website.
>> XBOXGW currently only runs on Linux.
I'm having a great laugh!!!
using the standard TAP/TUN driver for linux, I was able to set up an ethernet TAP tunnel between my friends house and mine. (128K ISDN links).
Just pop the ethernet cards into promisc mode, set up a kernel IP filter to filter out any unnecessary traffic, and bridge the TAP to the ethernet card! works great! no noticible lag!
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> I want an X-Box so bad, or as I would call it, a DOA3-Box.
.. imagine that.
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My Athlon I ordered came "net ready too"
The XBox is the whore of gaming consoles. It's a celeron processor with an nvidia video card. Whow, some great amazing technology that Microsoft gets to put their name on. I don't get it.
Gaming consoles are ment to be DIFFERENT then when I play games on my PC. The XBox is making you play games that you could play on your PC except with not as high resolutions (unless you plug into a HDTV that costs over $3,000.)
Play Metal Gear Solid 2 before you decide to jump on the xBox bandwagon.
There goes the revenue I'm sure they were hoping to get off online gamers. How much do you want to bet future games won't work like this? Or even have any LAN support at all.
IMHO the opposite might as well be true. There is nothing to earn from LAN playing, there never has been a price aside that of the equipment you need (think of the GameBoy link cable, or ethernet adapters for PCs), and people wouldn't accept one.
Microsoft hasn't planned an XBOX online service (AFAIK), and even if they have, they would be planning to earn from MMO games like World Of Warcraft & Co. With this tool we see the first Hacker development, and many others will follow. This will make the XBox immensly popular among hackers (which is a small crowd) and, even better, among all the wannabes and normal gamers and parents looking for the coolest machine(which is a huge crowd).
Merry XMas, Mr. Gates
I doubt any linux users bought the xbox, since it would violate their collective code of anti-MS everything.
The Slashdot Effect: A new for
I have no idea if this has been talked about, doesn't anyone here feel that xbox games could be easily had on a computer with comparable features? GF3, DVD-ROM, x-box games. Don't they already use directx to develop their software? I don't know, seems to me that Microsoft could easily put out something. Be it hardware/software, like what Sega did for the Saturn.
How many game studios are being told that, if they want the SDK's early, or even at all, that they must sign exclusivity contracts with M$ ? My prediction for sure, is this. No game released for Xbox will ever be released for linux. My 80% sure prediction is this... no game released for Xbox will be released for ANYTHING else.
Sega is gone. It's possible Nintendo is hurting. How far can they be pushed, before they have to give up too? Even Sony might have to pull out, if M$ behaves as I've suggested. Bingo. Video Game Industry Monopoly.
But... it gets worse. The powers that be have always HATED people building their own computers, upgrading them. Here is a viable PC platform, that is almost completely sealed. Even a bigger hard drive might be impossible for a user to install, if M$ wants to really cheat. If they release this as a home pc, or even business... and Office XP2 is released for it, what then? "People buy the Xbox, it's the end to all those hardware conflicts, software too!". Compaq(HP?), Dell, Gateway... their days are numbered.
Bingo. PC Industry Monopoly.
Won't affect you, you say? "I'll always buy my own, and build as I chooose!". Noble thoughts. But the fact is, the prices you pay for hardware are in part subsidized by the fact that everyone else is doing the same. People like you and I might be left paying prices similar to those that corporate enterprise purchasers are paying, since they will be the only other market that won't be able to use a sealed system like Xbox. The future looks grim, my friend.
What do you think I'm doing? Trolling?
.NET happens, that's fine. Time for Linux to get with the program.
Speaking of VB, I'm shocked and stunned that Linux hasn't ported this (and the rest of Visual Studio for that matter) over yet. How does it expect to be taken seriously as an OS when it lacks a serious suite of development tools? I guess if it wants to be left behind when
C - A language that combines the speed of assembly with the ease of use of assembly.
Hmmm, a virtual LAN...this sounds familiar. I believe that a software package called Kali (www.kali.net) has been doing this for years and years. I remember using this for doom or quake or something like that.
IIRC it's a decent package. Check it out.
take your sig and shove it
This can be taken two ways: 1) Linux screws over M$'s plans for the future, or 2) The Linux community is going to help capitalize on M$'s plans to move into the game community. This post may seem a little redundant, but I'll make some points here that I haven't seen scrolling through previous comments:
:-D
* The gateway may not be the best thing to see for those that would rather see the X-Box go away. This only strengthens its position for anyone with broadband; immediately jumping into the online world where Sega and possibly Sony have already entered, and Nintendo is lagging behind... I haven't heard about its broadband, but Nintendo best have something.
* This little Linux program should allow for more than JUST X-Box -- especially if other services out there can too be taken away and allow for more of a P2P gaming experience. No middle man for Phantasy Star Online, for example. I feel if it gets more fanfare it'll spark more projects to be done for other consoles, which is totally a Good Thing(TM).
* Misc. points: It would as been said before spark a Game Spy-ish service, but I would not be suprised of Game Spy themselves took intrest in tapping into this market for consoles if we got more of a P2P way of finding games. I know I would have some intrest along with my brother and our PS2's to be able to find opponents in say, Tekken Tag that we have sitting there collecting dust because we've beat all our friends in it.
Oh well, in the end Billy G. may get shafted out of another subcription service
Karma whorin' since 1999
mod me down as trolling if you like, but i'd like to voice my opinion:
consoles were never meant for online gaming. It just doesn't make sense. If they were, then why the fuck do they bother to give you 2-4 controllers. If i want online gaming, I'll do it with a pc game. Consoles are for games that you either play by youself, or when you bring friends to your room. I'm getting a PS2 for christmas and I can't think of a single game I want for it that would make any sense at all to use as a multiplayer game.
Repeat after me: PC = online net gaming, Console = 2-4 player splitscreen/sports/whatever.
Got Freedom?
Thinking?
I was wondering what OS the xbox is based off of the games use directx 8 and such so should it be a fairly easy thing to get the game to run on a win32 box?
This must be Thursday, I never could get the hang of Thursdays.
Please moderate this as such. Thank you.
C - A language that combines the speed of assembly with the ease of use of assembly.
Dont you mean "xboxes" and not xbox's
whatever...
Are there still plans for HALO to become an MMOFPS as originally intended by Bungie? Or is it just going to become another 32 player DM thing?
Why the fuck does commander taco want an xbox again?????
Because Taco understands the Linux is pretty much a worthless turd, and MS really does make the best products. He can only continue to lie about the virtues of Linux for so long, until something comes along that is impossible for him to resist. True it makes him a hypocrit, but we realized this long ago.
C - A language that combines the speed of assembly with the ease of use of assembly.
Thats what makes it the best part. It should be clear to everyone that its a troll, but some dimbulbs still bite everytime. Thats why I haven't bothered to write a new one yet.
Cheers!
C - A language that combines the speed of assembly with the ease of use of assembly.
what is the state of broadband kits for the PS2 or GameCube? things become infinitely more fun when an actual person is involved, rather than just the cheesy, predictable game AI.
burn the computers. go back to the abacus.
I dated this girl who liked it when I did this. She also let me cum on her bra and then she'd wear it all day. Then there were the numerous times I'd bang her up the ass and afterwards she'd lay there, basking in the glow of my jizz dripping out of her. :)
C - A language that combines the speed of assembly with the ease of use of assembly.
You'd better be careful on those index page posts, before you know it Microsoft will say that they have been endorsed by Slashdot!
> I want an X-Box so bad, or as I would call it, a DOA3-Box.
First thing... the Xbox is not going to replace the pc market. It is going to play games... and there will always be a market for PCs. There are businesses out there that have to buy PCs. Programmers that have to bu PCs. Server people that have to buy servers.... hooked up to PCs.
If the computer revolution has taught us anything, it is that computers got more complex, interchangeable, and personlized. In the beginning you had Texas Instruments and Commodore. Now how many technology manufacturers are there? You theory is that the marketplace will become less diverse. People will all line up to get the same system... under someone else's idea of what services they want. That is insane. People have been bucking M$ for years. And their product does pracitcally anything the user friendlies want on their computer.
This topic alone is counter to your argument.
There you show your Xbox, the universal computer replacement, and IN DAYS people are already customizing it. Making it more diverse. Making it to their liking. Cracking it. They aren't lining up to do all the same things, they're breaking out.
So the ideas that everyone will be planting the Xbox4 in the bowels of their home next to the washing machine is preposterous. The world will never dance to the tune of one drummer forever.
I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Troll/Crapflooder Anonymous Coward was found dead in his parent's basement this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't fall for his goatse.cx links, there's no denying his contributions to homoerotic culture. Truly a flaming queen.
C - A language that combines the speed of assembly with the ease of use of assembly.
It just loads into ram..
Read the anad article, the chip is not a Celeron, but a P3 with reduced cache.
Also, MGS2 is coming out for the XBOX and chances are it would feature all the goodies that will be added to the JAP version.
Sony's saving grace this season are the games.
The tech in the XBOX and gamecube is already ahead though.
Wil is a faggot!
Your post was so clear and well written, the message just JUMPED out of a page, I thought I'd say thanks..... *sarcasm* if you're too stupid to figure that out yourself...
Hey buddy, why don't you get a life k? I mean REALLY, how much time did u spend thinking about and posting that message, why do you even waste a minimal amount of energy. Now you will no doubt flame me, but...surprise surprise you'll forget to mention the idea behind my post...I feel sorry for you.
For years now, the common American penis bird has been a staple of every American's daily diet. Whether it be penis bird sandwiches, fried penis bird, or perhaps penis bird under glass (for the rich), we all have penis bird at least once a day. Many Americans have no clue how the penis bird became so important in the pyramid of a balanced diet, so in this article I will attempt to explain its history and why it is so useful.
In the early 1870s, Francis Zefran became the first penis bird breeder in North America. He started his famous Penis Bird Ranch in Canton, OH. At the time, not much was known of the penis bird's nutritional value, but the Penis Bird Ranch changed all of that. Not only did Francis Zefran raise penis birds to sell their colorful plumes (a VERY lucrative business), he also set up the world's first research lab dedicated solely to the study of the penis bird.
The lab found many interesting things. First, it was discovered that the penis bird was actually semi-sentient. Second, the scientists found that the meat of the penis bird was high in protein, vitamin A, vitamin B, and calcium, while low in fat, cholestorol, and sodium. Never before had such a nutritious meal been had without supplement or fortification. The scientists of the lab recommended immediately that the penis bird become a part of every American's daily diet.
When the news of the penis bird's usefulness reached president Rutherford B. Hayes, he was absolutely ecstatic. You see, President Hayes owed a number of favors to Francis Zefran because as I said earlier, the penis bird plume trade was an extremely lucrative business and Mr. Zefran was important in getting RBH elected through a number of monetary gifts. President Hayes immediately asked Congress to pass what we all know today as the Hayes/Zefran Penis Bird Consumption Act.
The act did a number of things to make the penis bird a daily meal, most important of which was the requirement that for every four people in a household, one penis bird must consumed every day. Another thing the act did was create an artificial monopoly for Francis Zefran's Penis Bird Industries. The act stated that the only supplier of penis bird meat in the US would be PBI. As one would imagine, this quickly made Francis Zefran into the richest man in the world. He was soon a multi-billionaire (quadrillionaire with today's inflation). Never before had a single man seen such wealth.
Many challenges were made to the Hayes/Zefran Penis Bird Consumption Act, and several even made it the Supreme Court. It was argued that the act was unconstitutional and went against liberty itself, but once the detractors tasted delicious penis bird meat for the first time, they immediately dropped their cases and followed the law to the letter. We all know today that penis bird is the most delicious meat man has ever known, but at that time, the only meats people ate were pork and beef.
In the early 1970s, though, challenges to the act began again. Many argued that the monopoly given to Penis Bird Industries by the act was in all ways unamerican. The Supreme Court finally agreed, and in 1974, Section II of the act was struck down. This in effect opened the market to competition for all.
Today, Penis Bird Industries is almost no more. Today we have the market leader Penis Bird Meat International facing against Penissoft, a recent startup. Where will the future lead the penis bird market? Only time will tell us, but one thing is certain: penis birds are here to stay!
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Taco, you're such a tool. Seriously.
Clever idea, good story, I especially liked the inventive use of the apostrophe.
"up to four xbox's"
Let bob the angry flower tell it:
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This program is a godsend. I have a feeling MS wont have a netplay service set up for some time, and now i can play with my friends full screen w/o having to drag TVs and such over to one persons house. The XBOX may have 4 controller ports, but playing 4 to a screen really doesnt compare to haveing a screen to yourself. Console NET gaming will take off. SEGA made huge headway in to this arena, and it will only get more popular. XBox is going to be hacked left and right, and i cant wait =)
And to gaming bigots - I am an avid collector of consoles, and have a PC and MAC for gaming as well, and what ticks me off more then anything is people who have some blind attachment to one way of gaming, usually because its what they blew 300 bucks on. Heres the point, for all those who still dont get it:
ITS ABOUT THE GAMES STUPID
Finally, about seeing Xbox games directly playable on PC... its going to be a while if ever. Fist reason is MS wont want to cannibalize their own market(although a lot of games will be ports, the strength will be original titles, and XBox first titles, to drive sales). The second is a technical hurdle: XBox on the surface may look just like a PC with a gForce3, but, it has one very important advantage: the programmers have ONE target spec to reach the whole audiance. This has always been a console advantage from a game making standpoint. So while on paper its looks like less then a high end pc, in then end you have better looking games because programmers write games to take full advantage of what resources are available, the target output is a TV (relativly low resolution and a constant), and no huge OS overhead.
"Stuff... In my home!? NEVER!" - Zim on Invader Zim
"I want the toilet seat!" - Little Dog on Two Stupid Dogs
like it.
I mean, that's like saying the RIAA likes napster because it increases album sales. It may increase album sales, but that doesn't mean they're happy about it. These companies care a lot more about control then they do about money. Control means you know how much money you're going go get. control means you can squeeze people for as much money as they have. Stockholders want instant profits, rather then long-term effectiveness.
If Microsoft can control the method of connection, that means they can charge whatever they want, if they need a bit more money this quarter, they can jack them up like 2 cents or whatever. They don't get that if people connect them themselves, even if they do sell more boxes.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
how this is any different than, say, setting up an ethernet bridge?
How is this specific to the xbox?
Could someone that understands what jkerman is doing explain how this might be done using Mac OS X? If the software needed is not included with OS X, could you suggest what might be used/found at sourceforge?
As long-time Mac user, but new to a Unix like environment, could the above be explained with as much simplicity as warrented?
Thanks!
I was just reading Business Wire, and apparently Nintendo will sell out it's initial 700,000 unit shipment this weekend, has added an additional 200,000 units to the next shipment, and MSFT still has backlog after shipping only 300,000 units (originally scheduled for 600,000).
If you're hoping to get these as hack machines (a pretty good deal, actually), you better hurry, cause it's likely the xBox will be dead by springtime. The game industry only rewards the #1 and #2 spots, and xBox is radipdly becoming in danger from holding on to #3.
[caveat - I own both MSFT and NTDOY stock]
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--- Will in Seattle - What are you doing to fight the War?
Actually, industry stats on business wires show that PS2 is doing pretty well, and that Nintendo is not able to keep up with the demand (had to add an additional 200,000 units to an already increased allotment for next ship batch for US). xBox, even with reduced shipments, is developing a backlog due to low demand.
Me, I just preordered my Mandrake 8.1 with The Sims bundle anyway - should scream on my dual CPU boxen.
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--- Will in Seattle - What are you doing to fight the War?
MS is all about evil.
They will use the xbox to try to take over the
hardware market.
There are more important things than scratching
your gamer itch.
Support Nintendo, Sega, and Sony.
no new revenue for MS.
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...yet no one mentions Squaresoft. Why do I have a PS2? Squaresoft. They make some *real* kick-ass games, especially RPG. These guys always get the attention of the hard-core gamers because of how they use the platform they design for, their story plots, and how much fun their console RPGs really are! Seems to me the critical company is Squaresoft, and Sony's got them. Not M$, not Nintendo, and certainly not Sega. Nintendo had their chance to keep them for the N64, but since Nintendo wanted to dictate to them their releases, Squaresoft jumped ship and went to Sony's camp. Let that be a lesson to Sony so they don't lose out on a critial player in their age market, because M$ will be more than happy to take them in and take a seige at the market.
Personally, if M$ can't get Squaresoft, they can't dominate. This isn't the OS industry, M$ -- you can't do it all in-house; you need a huge backing.
Karma whorin' since 1999
Now, the GameCube on the otherhand is almost entirely EXCLUSIVE Nintendo games. Games that will NEVER be played on the PC. Games that will NEVER be surpassed in gameplay anywhere else. You wont ever see Metroid, Kid Ikarus, Zelda, or Mario on ANY OTHER SYSTEM. Not to mention, the graphics just blow away the Xboxs easily. It doesnt matter who pushes more polys if they dont look good.
there are linux users that own xboxes? who'da thunk it...
Are you pondering what I'm pondering?
I want an X-Box so bad, or as I would call it, a DOA3-Box.
who are you and what the hell have you done with rob malda?
"I hope I don't make a mistake and manage to remain a virgin." - Britney Spears
thank you.
Are you sure you wouldn't rather have Mandrake Gaming edition
Somewhere in the heavens... they are waiting.
That you've been able to play Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3 on PlayStation 2 over the net for quite sometime now. Get yourself a USB Ethernet Adapter and away you go.
Booo Hisss... XBox
Beam me up up up! And mad propz to all dead trolls.
saru mo ki kara ochiru
Is it just me or is the Xbox not really all bad? I mean, it's a great console system for one, and it's the first US based console system since the Atari Jaguar. Sony, Nintendo, Sega are all based in Japan, and quite frankly it's refreshing to see the US put up some competition. Maybe I'm the only one who thinks keeping money in the country is a good idea, though.
Microsoft must really have it in for you, Taco. I overheard the butterball behind the counter at the local EB telling somebody on the phone about Microsoft's new policy:
Retailers are not supposed to sell XBox by itself. You are supposed to buy the box and 3 games as a package for a mere $500. Retailers who do not adhere to this policy will have their XBox shipments cut off. That's why EB has XBoxes out the wazoo and nobody else has any.
Or maybe it's just a plot by EB to sell more games, and they still have XBoxes because nobody wants to spend the $500.
Its a good idea, except it comes with only one game (sims). They should've added quake 3 (at least the demo) and some otehr decent games. Xbox will perform lot better tho, i have tried quake in both linux and windows and windows won it perfromace-wise (on opengl)
Some peon from splashdot wants an X-Box? Isn't that against your religion, how dare you bring Microsoft into your life? Oh, wait a minute, maybe you have finally seen the light?
Idiots!
good fucking question.
A lot of people have been saying
"Don't ditch the PS/2 go play MGS2"
Well incase a lot of people didn't know
Metal Gear Solid 2 will be coming out to xbox
So really, if that's the only reason to hold onto a ps/2.....
XBox-The Cheating Gamer's Dream Machine. Now the Virus Community has a *NEW* platform to infect.
Wow, that was a quick turnaround. I've been arguing for the benefits of an XBox in the living room for awhile (one of my posts during the release day Slashdot article generated over 20 replies), but I never expected Taco to become a convert.
Makes you wonder, though, if he has some kind of syndrome? :) Swings from one technology canvas to another. There should be something in the DSVIV for CmdrTacoism.
How is building an ethernet bridge something new? I mean, great that they packaged it up like this...
but this is nothing new.
Some mention KALI.. kali was based on bridging IPX I believe....
Of course, MS could always just make the damn game support tcp/ip in the first place...
I want an X-Box so bad, or as I would call it, a DOA3-Box.
;)
Only for the pixel shaded bump-mapping and rich plot development, no doubt.
"Leave the strategizing to those of us with planet-sized brains." -Tycho
Will someone explain it to me so I can get a better grasp on what is going on? Do they acutally put linux on the Xbox or do they just connect the Xbox to a linux box with these special settings?
My boyfriend had been going on at me for a long time about wanting anal sex with me. Initially I was quite shocked, but perhaps not surprised as he had gone to a well known public school, and I knew what they got up to!
I started to look up websites and read articles about anal sex on the Internet, and I was surprised how interesting I found the subject - I was even intrigued that the Americans call the women 'back door girls'.
One evening, after a few too many glasses of wine, I said that I would agree to it, on the condition that if it hurt or I did not like it he would stop immediately. My boyfriend is very considerate and he fully agreed to my demands. I said that I would have a bath, and see him in the bedroom.
I made sure that I carefully scrubbed my bottom in readiness, and with some trepidation walked into the bedroom. My boyfriend did nothing to hide his erection and he said that he was getting really excited at the prospect of taking me from the rear. He gave me a long and passionate kiss, his tongue probing deep into my mouth. He then cupped my breasts and started to lick and suck my nipples, which made them stand out like stalks. I could feel the moisture starting to flow from my pussy. He then got me to kneel on the carpet with my bottom sticking straight up at him. I am rather proud of my bottom, and he praised its plump roundness.
His tongue started to lick up and down my crack, I could feel his saliva dribbling down over my gaping pussy lips. My hand went to seek out my clit, and I rubbed it hard. Then he eased his cock to my puckered little hole, and ever so gently pushed it in. I let out a gasp, and tried to relax my muscles he slid further inside me. It was an incredible sensation, feeling his stiff cock gliding in and out of my bottom as my finger masturbated my clit.
Soon he cried out that he was going to cum, and my hand was in a frenzy rubbing my swollen bud, as I too felt my orgasm start. He groaned as with a final thrust up my bottom he spurted his delicious hot cream deep inside me. That was enough to send me over the top and I came with a violent shuddering spasm.
As a thank you to me, he gave my juicy pussy a good licking, and I had another lovely orgasm. I am now a fully paid up 'back door girl'!
MSFT still has backlog after shipping only 300,000 units
Just came home from CompUSA. They have a pile of Xbox's in inventory +50 or so. The demo machine is dead, due to overheating according to the sales guy. Xbox might be sold-out from MS but plenty in the channel.
Help fight continental drift.
THe whole thing loads into ram, as mentioned earlier u dont even need a hard drive.
Passion is best left to notions of love
... and not responding to obvious troll ;)
(and yes, still offtopic after 6 replies)
"Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech."--Benjamin Franklin
Bottom line for me - I'm not willing to give up the awesome networking ability of PC gaming so until consoles can match the ability of PC's in that respect, I will continue to play games on the PC. But I would have no reservations at all about dropping PC gaming in favor of consoles when that day comes.
:)
Moderate this comment up. I couldn't have said it better myself. I too love to play games on a high speed LAN connection. It's way better than playing over the Internet. I've invested all kinds of time, energy, and money into making my system more portable but the fact is PC's aren't designed to be portable and Laptops aren't designed to be gaming machines. Give me a console system with "awesome networking ability" and I would definately be a happy camper. No pun intended.
Read the review at IGN.com. While some of the features are better (zoom from 1x to 10x!), one thing it lacks is - DVD progressive scan output!! That's right, while the games will output in progressive scan movies will not.
Also, they do not seem to have more than 2x FF. When will these idiot console makers wake up and give me a 2x - 100x FF?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I can safely say that these launch titles were not supposed to be on the Internet in the first place. Now, I have a cable modem, which is second tier to the DSL's I was running agianst. I realize this. But, the game was created with LAN play in mind, with 1ms ping times. However, when I was getting a 350ms ping time (awful, I know), it wasn't compensating at all.
For instance, you can look around when you lag, but can't move or shoot in Halo. Since there's no error detection built into these games, you wind up in strange places when you resync with the server, and then get blown to bits. Many times.
The server doesn't lag, obviously. But the clients do.
Now, the game isn't bad multiplayer, but it was made with a LAN in mind. So, before everybody goes out and buys XBox's because of this, have that in mind. The programmers didn't think they would have to deal with Internet Latency in Halo, so there is nothing to help you if you have a high ping.
One thing I meant to add there before my hand brushed "return" by accident, is that I'm not at all sure the PS2 yet offers progressive scan output for DVD play - so the XBox may still have better quality than the PS2, but not as good as you would hope.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Can it be otherwise?
The Xbox is good for console gaming like Cancer is good for old people.
Taco, im holding you personally responsible for being such a tool.
What market? What could, say, "Dead Or Alive 3" on PC compete with? There is no PC equivilant. This goes with many console games. Also, there are so little PC gamers that it would hardly make a dent on either side.
.sig: Open Source, Open Mind
It's called game preference. People who like Metal Gear Solid 2, Gran Turismo 3, and Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3 more than Halo, Project Gotham Racing, and Tony Hawk 2x are more likely to buy a PS2 than an X-Box, no?
Also, by your logic, everyone would be buying a GameCube since it has the power of the X-Box (PPC 495MHz vs Intel 733MHz, ~Radeon 8500 vs ~GeForce 3, 24MB 1T-SRAM + 16MB DDR or SDRAM? vs 64MB DDRSDRAM) yet it's $100 cheaper.
.sig: Open Source, Open Mind
However, with Microsoft betting the bank on online gaming, it's scary to think that they might 'force' you into online gaming by making games that actually require a connection, or games where you can hardly do anything without a connection to the internet.
I would feel cheated if I had paid $60 on a game and then had to be part of an online plan to be able to enjoy the game. I would also feel cheated if I bought a console expecting 5 years of great games, yet being limited to half the games on the shelf simply because I don't enjoy online gaming. I'm also afraid that Microsoft might feel so strongly about online gaming in consoles that this might even make developers stop producing single player games after a while in a similar way that ever since 3D was available it's been extremely difficult finding any 2D games.
Developers might program online games simply because they can, not because it would provide the most enjoyment... they programmed Contra in 3D, and even though it didn't work the first time, they tried it again the second. Now I feel they have dropped the entire Contra series without having considered going back to its 2D roots where it enjoyed the most success, simply because they might think 2D is obsolete. They might also think not being online is obsolete.
.sig: Open Source, Open Mind
If anyone is interested, the Atari Jaguar was declared to be an open system (anyone can write games for it without paying royalites. and the encyption has been released to the public) a few years ago.
It's spelled, definitely, dammit. No 'a' in it.
Ah, ye of little mind. Where does the money go, do tell?
Sega people have said Shenmue 2 will be an Xbox title. I'm not sure about the rest of the series (since before Shenmue 1 they've said it will be like a five game or more series) though. An interview about it can be found at http://dreamcast.ign.com/news/39017.html.
Metal Gear Solid 2 is coming to the Xbox (in an enhanced package, no doubt).
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Source: http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870
Games like GTA3 are also comin' on over.
Even if MS sold only 300K units, they will be selling an aweful lot next year. You know why? Because the average game targeted at the XBox is much greater than the average nintendo game. At least for people older than 12 years. (which is also the target audience for the PS2). Nintendo lives because of the pokemon hype. So buying a gamecube will limit your choice in games. I think a lot of people will understand that soon :)
Never underestimate the relief of true separation of Religion and State.
Until a gamespy-like GUI is released for any of these ethernet bridging solutions, #xbox-online of EFnet is the place to be to gather net games together. Enjoy!
-Sarkoon
Why would any self respecting Slashdot reader buy ANYTHING from Micro$oft? This is pathetic. On one hand you people complain about their monopolistic practices, on the other you salivate over their inferior products and actually support the expansion of their monopoly into other areas. What this world needs is a 100% cold-turkey Micro$oft boycott.
All X-Box buyers should be bitch-slapped.
if you must have one (xbox) then buy a stolen one or whatever but don't give any money to MS. don't buy games made for xbox and don't buy accessories made for xbox.
They know what they're doing.