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Star Wars Phantom Menace 1.1 Editor Speaks

guinnessy writes "Studio 360 interviews the person who carried out Phantom Edit 1.1. You can listen to the interview here if you have Real Audio. It's quite interesting and explains why he hated Jar Jar Binks so much and what he did."

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  2. w3rd, h0m3y by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    First post!!!

  3. second post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    second post dude!

  4. Does it take an interview... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    to explain why someone would hate Jar Jar so much? I figured most people over ~12 would understand his feelings completely.

    1. Re:Does it take an interview... by zero2k · · Score: 3, Interesting

      jealousy - the money Lucas spent into creating Jar Jar could feed the person and their family for the rest of their lives.

    2. Re:Does it take an interview... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The first non-trollish post, and it already replicates exactly what I was going to say. :P

      I guess this is an AOL-ish 'me-too', so I've posted anonymously due to lack of actual content...

    3. Re:Does it take an interview... by NiPNi · · Score: 1

      http://www.oakland.edu/~zztasesk/jarjar.html

      The site pretty much says it all...

      Oh, and there's a link there to the International Society for the Extermination of Jar Jar Binks :-) Unfortunately, it seems to be dead at the moment.

    4. Re:Does it take an interview... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hello World

  5. Text transcript? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I refuse to install Spyware^WRealPlayer on my system. Is there a transcript available anywhere?

  6. They're renaming The Two Towers!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I heard on the news that they're gonna rename the second Lord of the Rings movie because the name "The Two Towers" is too controversial given recent events. Can anyone confirm?

    1. Re:They're renaming The Two Towers!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, it's being renamed "Attack of the Trolls." Look for it to feature many Slashdot regulars as extras.

    2. Re:They're renaming The Two Towers!!! by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Sorry, but I think you've been had there.

      The "Lord Of The Rings" movie trilogy isn't your average Hollywood "gee-what-kind-of-ending-did-the-test-audiences-li ke-the-most?" film series. It's a pretty faithful (so far) movie adaptation of what's commonly regarded as the best book of the twentieth century.

      The second book in the trilogy is called "The Two Towers". And the title isn't a prescient, Nostrodamus-like reference to the September 11th attack on the World Trade Center but (shock, horror) a reference to two, uh, towers, that appear in that book as Frodo and Sam continue on to Mordor and the rest of the fellowship take part in an assault on Isengard.

      Now, unless I'm truly living in an Orwellian society (which, ironically, is how I perceive the revisionism that Hollywood seems to be obsessed with whenever it turns its hand to historically-based entertainment), those are the historical facts. (Unless, of course, the Ministry Of Truth truly has tracked down every copy of LOTR, had them destroyed and replaced with "corrected" copies that aren't as offensive to The Party. Who knows, this could have happened. It might explain why my copy of LOTR has gone AWOL.)

      I can't vouch for him personally, but Peter Jackson strikes me as a man of integrity. In every interview I've read or seen his love of the original text and his desire to bring it to life as faithfully as possible is clear. And I very much doubt that he's going to presume to meddle with Tolkien's masterpiece by changing the title of the second film.

      The irony that he'd even be asked to do so is dripping - is there any way the world of Tolkien could possibly be further away from the world of September 11th?

      The Hollywood suits asking for a name change are probably the same ones that were so vocal in the aftermath of last year's tragedy, spouting (script-written?) lines about how they couldn't produce another violent movie after what had happened yet barely waiting more than a heartbeat before rubber stamping the release of movies like Black Hawk Down and Collateral Damage.

      All this while the Israeli army, funded by the US tax payer ($4 billion of US military aid per year, total military expenditure $7 billion per year), murders people in their homes with US-built, US-supplied hardware while the Bush administration vetoes any attempt by the United Nations' Security Council to condemn Israel's actions.

      (When Israel kills, the world complains but the US pretends that nothing's happened. Ditto when the US military kills allied personnel in "friendly fire" incidents.)

      Change the title of "The Two Towers"? How about changing the damn record instead?

      (Go ahead, mod this down. Like I give a damn about karma.)

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    3. Re:They're renaming The Two Towers!!! by raistlinne · · Score: 3, Offtopic
      (Go ahead, mod this down. Like I give a damn about karma.)

      Actually, the moderation system exists not to give or take karma from people, but to promote good comments to better public view while removing the noise and such from more prominent positions. Moderation is only incidentally related to karma. The point is to choose make it easier to read the better posts.

      However, you are correct that changing the name of The Two Towers would be about as absurd as you can get.

      How is all this related to Jar Jar? Good question. Maybe we could say that changing the name of The Two Towers is about on the level of making Jar Jar a main character?

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    4. Re:They're renaming The Two Towers!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The "Lord Of The Rings [imdb.com]" movie trilogy isn't your average Hollywood "gee-what-kind-of-ending-did-the-test-audiences-li ke-the-most?" film series. It's a pretty faithful (so far) movie adaptation of what's commonly regarded [guardian.co.uk] as the best book of the twentieth century.

      I'll have to dispute with you on that one. LOTR was a damn good book. Undoubtedly the best book of the Fantasy genre ever. However, there are books such as Ulysess, 1984, The Grapes of Wrath, The Old Man and the Sea, and of course Brave New World that I think edge out ahead of LOTR.

      I think the poll in your article is skewed to favor LOTR because it is just a poll of regular people. Many of whom have heard about or seen LOTR at a theater near them. Many of these people have not heard of books like The Old Man and the Sea, or Ulysses.

      Basically stated, what I'm trying to say is the recent publicity of LOTR has skewed the poll in the article you linked to. Most critics consider Ulysses to be the best book of the century, with Brave New World in second.

    5. Re:They're renaming The Two Towers!!! by Igmuth · · Score: 1

      If you look closer at the poll you will notice that it is dated in 1997. Well before the move was anything more a rumor.

    6. Re:They're renaming The Two Towers!!! by gailwynand · · Score: 1

      Well, there may indeed be better books. However, I don't think it's fair to say that the poll was skewed because of the movie, if you will notice that the article in question is dated Monday January 20, 1997. This is, of course, over five years ago, when Peter Jackson's film version was merely a rumor, and had not touched the conciousness of the common film goer.

      Fact is, the common reader, such as myself, probably has different reasons for liking a book than does a literary critic, or other professional of that sort.

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    7. Re:They're renaming The Two Towers!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      careful careful what you say the FBI may be your best friend

    8. Re:They're renaming The Two Towers!!! by glwtta · · Score: 2
      commonly regarded as the best book of the twentieth century.

      umm, yeah, by 5,000 people.

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    9. Re:They're renaming The Two Towers!!! by damien_kane · · Score: 1

      And continuing the saga... JarJar will be ported to middle earth to play saruman... And they'll have banthas to play the treants...

    10. Re:They're renaming The Two Towers!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not the best book. Get over it.

      The reason it won the poll is because it's probably the best book that your average young male will ever read. Which isn't saying a whole hell of a lot.

      While I have to give Tolkein his props, fantasy, as a genre, is shit. The Lord of the Rings is the only one worth reading. Everything else is a poor imitation.

    11. Re:They're renaming The Two Towers!!! by Buzz_Litebeer · · Score: 1

      Yea, I do not see any correllation between the US destroying the taliban, who flew planes into our buildings, to israelis killing palestinians, i mean palestinians only kill people every day in suicide bombings, but i agree there not americans so when they retaliate with their resources its murder, because god forbid you try to stop terrorism at its source.

      Remember, if you only terror bombing 10-15 women and children at a time, for years, its better than doing it in one lump sum against a couple buildings.

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    12. Re: They're renaming The Two Towers!!! by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2, Funny


      > However, you are correct that changing the name of The Two Towers would be about as absurd as you can get. How is all this related to Jar Jar?

      Obviously, you haven't seen the anatomically correct Jar-Jar action figure.

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    13. Re:They're renaming The Two Towers!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only I could mod you up..

    14. Re:They're renaming The Two Towers!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously an American post...

      Remember not to let the media skew your thoughts, and possibly do a little background reading on a subject before you make comments on it.

      The Palestinians are fighting against occupation by their Israeli counterparts. This ofcourse does not excuse the murder of civilians. But neither does a "fight against terrorism". Over 170 Palestinian children have died (out of 1400 palesitinians) since the infidia started, whilst just over 450 Israelis have died IN TOTAL. The figures speak for themselves.

      "because god forbid you try to stop terrorism at its source."

      If you want to attack terrorism at its source, attack the reason for terrorism. These are people who have seen their homes bulldozed down by the Israeli government so that Israeli settlers can occupy the land. These are people who have seen their economy and their way of life crushed by Israeli sanctions and restrictions of movement. Suicide bombers are just that because they have nothing to lose. They feel that their life is meaningless, and the only way they can give it meaning is to take out as many of "the enemy" as they can - even if it means dying. Why not give them something to lose?

      In this case, remove the occupation, and give the Palestinian people some freedom and dignity.

      Well, those are just my thoughts on the subject.

      This is a "little" off topic, don't see how it relates to StarWars, but ...

      -pat

    15. Re:They're renaming The Two Towers!!! by Buzz_Litebeer · · Score: 1

      Your right, we should get rid of the reason of terrorism, i think we should get rid of america too, since the reason for terrorism is that america is around and spreading its influence, you are absoluetly correct, we should get rid of america, along with israel. I mean the israelis at the time of the exodus had so MANY places to go, i mean germany and russia have always been in complete love of the jewish people, hot damn, the pogroms and the ever so exciting "holocost" showed the complete love for them. I mean, jewish people are obviously lesser people, i mean americans killed off the native peoples of there land even while posing as peace makers, and because we are americans we are better and we can get away with anything. I mean its not like the jewish people had anything to do with the history of israel before 1947, the bible being a complete hoax. The fact that there were palestinian jewish people that lived in israel the entire time also means little, and that these palestinan jews had been there since at "least" 1923 (and been emmigrating to palestinian british territory since 1880) means nothing, because even though there parents, and grandparents had lived in the palestinian district means nothing, the israelis are jewish and thus non-beings. im glad there is someone here with the forsite to realize that living in one place for a long time means you have no claim to it, and that calling yourself a nation of people is illegal because someone else also does. I also think its great that killing people a few at a time is also acceptable, and that retribution killing for such things is also bad as well. I HOPE that americans can live in fear every day from retaliation because they are still around and not destroyed, which is the only way to stop terrorism by al queda. thanks i hve been enlightened.

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    16. Re:They're renaming The Two Towers!!! by mshurpik · · Score: 1

      No, it's being renamed The Twin Towers. Or better yet, The World Trade Center, New York City. Or how about, Attack of the Terrorist Drones. Maybe The Phantom Arab Menace? A New Hope for the Al-Quaeda Network? The 'Evil Empire' Strikes Back? Return of the Mujadeen?

      2001: An Urban Crisis Oddysey? Osama of Arabia? The Wizard of Afghanistan? The Day the Earth Watched TV? Birth of a Palestinian Nation? Casabinladen?

      All of these would be much less likely to remind people of the terrible events of September 11, and might even promote positive connotations of other successful films. A double-win for studio execs, right here free of charge on Slashdot.

    17. Re:They're renaming The Two Towers!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, I do not see any correllation between the US destroying the taliban, who flew planes into our buildings, to israelis killing palestinians, i mean palestinians only kill people every day in suicide bombings, but i agree there not americans so when they retaliate with their resources its murder, because god forbid you try to stop terrorism at its source.

      Remember, if you only terror bombing 10-15 women and children at a time, for years, its better than doing it in one lump sum against a couple buildings.


      Two points for you:

      1. Welcome to the party. Pity you couldn't be bothered to show up until now.

      Funny, isnt it, that when the IRA were killing innocents week in and week out in Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the US did nothing to stop the flow of cash from its citizens to that organisation.

      When the British government asked George Bush Sr.'s help in staunching the flow of funds to the terrorists (money that was used to buy guns, mortars and explosives to kill soldiers, policemen, politicians and civilians), they were told to take a hike. Bush Sr. and his government refused to help, arguing that denying Americans the right to fund terrorists (even terrorists targeting the citizens of America's most reliable ally) was a violation of their "free speech".

      Yep, back then, helping to blow up the guys who were standing shoulder to shoulder with Americans in the Gulf War (and in WW1, WW2, Korea, throughout the Cold War, etc) was a right actively protected by Uncle Sam.

      Funny how one day changed all that isn't it? It was alright when it was the IRA blowing up Britons, ETA blowing up Spaniards, the Red Army Faction blowing up Germans, etc, but now someone's doing it to Americans, all of a sudden, terrorism matters. Sheesh.

      2. Don't believe what you see on TV.

      I suggest you look beyond CNN for a change, read a newspaper other than USA Today and get a wider perspective of world affairs.

      If you truly believe that there is no link whatsoever between Israel's actions in the occupied territories and terrorist attacks on the US then you're either as stupid as George W. Bush or smoking too much dope.

      An in-depth analysis of Arab-Israeli affairs and the US's role in it would take longer than I have but here is a simple step by step link between what's been happening in the Middle East for the last half a century and the terrorist attacks on the US:

      i) US funds Israeli military to the tune of $3-4 billion per year.

      That's over $10 for every man, woman and child in the US - wouldn't you rather have that money? In addition to that handful of bills, Israel receives a few billion more in economical aid. Overall, Israel receives a third of all US foreign aid - disproportionately more than it needs - while many developing world nations with starving populations receive next to nothing.

      All those billions buy a lot of F-16s, Apache gunships, M1 Abrams tanks, small arms and ammo.

      ii) Israel uses that hardware as it sees fit.

      Invading its neighbours seems to be a popular option. Illegal occupation of territory seems to be another. Oh, and you might have seen or read recently that bombing, shelling and bulldozing civilian populations in their own homes is high up on the list too.

      But hey, they were mostly Palestinians so they deserved it right?

      iii) The Palestinians get pissed off.

      Shock, horror, an oppressed population will fight back. And, as they generally don't have the kind of money or the means to buy F-16s, Apache gunships, M1 Abrams tanks or the like, they fight with whatever they can lay their hands on and any way they can.

      Blowing yourself up in the hope that you take out a few others with you is a desperate act. But desperate people do desperate things.

      iv) Someone else starts taking notice. Someone who can (and will) fight back.

      Hit a young kid and he'll hit you back. Hit a slightly older kid and he'll call his Daddy. Then his Daddy will hit you back. Next, you tell your Pop what happened. Pretty soon, you've got two grown men slugging it out. See where this is going?

      Zealots usually need a cause or a rallying cry. Can you think of a better reason to hurt someone than the fact that their hurting your loved ones? If someone was kicking the crap out of your brother wouldn't you want to kick the crap out of them? Wouldn't justice/honour/revenge demand it? Well, under Islam all muslims are brothers - they're all one big, unhappy family.

      That's the way some people see this situation. Israel's kicking the crap out of the Palestinians and the US gave them the means with which to do it. Israel might be pulling the trigger but it's the US that bought the loaded gun, gave it to them and turned the other way while the trigger was pulled.

      Under US law, the accomplice is just as guilty as the trigger man - both are equally culpable and equally guilty. And guess what? That's the way the extremists see the Arab-Israeli situation and they're just as pissed off at the US as they are at Israel.

      So when the extremists go looking for justice/honour/revenge they look for it in every direction. And that includes the US.

      (Wouldn't everything have been so much better if Uncle Sam had given that $10 back to you in the first place?)

      Now do you see the link? Or do I have to join the dots for you?

    18. Re:They're renaming The Two Towers!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How hypocrital.

      Don't Palestinians who've lived on that land for generations have any rights?

      Isn't the Israeli army denying that anything untoward happened in Jenin and elsewhere just as bad as someone trying to deny the holocaust?

      Isn't Israel's continuing harrassment of people that aren't its citizens on land that doesn't belong to it anything to be condemned?

      Isn't Israel's flouting of international conventions, the UN's authority and human rights anything to be dismayed at?

      Wake up and smell the coffee. Israel has blood on its hands. If it didn't then it wouldn't be surpressing the world's press or fighting UN efforts to investigate its actions.

    19. Re:They're renaming The Two Towers!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Taking an example to its extreme is a fallacy of logic. Putting your words into my mouth is incoherent bullshit.

      I never said we should get rid of America. Ofcourse America is a factor in the cause of "terrorists" but this is through its pro-Israeli policy. They are American weapons that are killing the Palestinians, and American vetos that stop the United Nations from doing anything about it. As opposed to "getting rid of America", America could improve Arab (and recently International) opinion of itself by stopping the sale of military weapons to Israel, decreasing funding (approx. 3 billion in aid) that is used to purchase military goods, and letting the United Nations pass a resolution without "veto"'ing it. These actions would possibly do a lot more for the "war against terror" than military action.

      Secondly, you claim that I somehow inferred that "jewish people are obviously lesser people". I said, nor believe, such a thing. You claim that Israel has a right to the lands because "Jews lived there for a long time", well I put it to you that the Palestinians also lived there a long time, and also have a right to the land. The Bible says that this was the "Promised" land, does that give Israel the right to bulldoze down a Palestinian home and occupy it themselves? Does a native Indian have the right to bulldoze down your house and put their own in its place?

      No, Americans should not live in fear, and neither should Israelis. But to the same extent, the Palestinians should have the right to live in peace--without fear that they will be evicted, to govern their own country and exercise sovereignty over it.

      Thinking that through my support of the Palestinian cause I am Anti-Semetic is not only illogic, but invalid. I think the Holocaust was a terrible tragedy, but it should not be used as an excuse by the Israeli government to commit other illegal acts and inhumane acts.

    20. Re:They're renaming The Two Towers!!! by Buzz_Litebeer · · Score: 1

      hypocritical? perhaps you should think that truly supporting either side is hypocritical, because you cannot point out something that the other side hadnt done in some fasion already.

      the arabs that were there when israelis began moving back were there because there people KILLED the israeli population that was there.

      But you also forget that the israelis had been coexisting before 1946 with palestinans since AT LEAST 1880.

      When the arabs of the area wanted to commit genocide against the israelis (or at least a racial cleansing involving removal of the israelis) the israelis refused to budge from there new legally gained land, legally gained from british who had defeated the turks in ww1 (they supported austria and lost, effectively ending the ottoman empire). To remove the israelis from there land would have required complete and utter annihilation of a huge chunk of israeli population that lived in israel at the time, and this is what egypt, syria, and jordan attempted to do. Israel made a pre-emptive strike against israel, jordan not knowing egypt had been pooch screwed continued as planned with the attacks, and lost, lost badly, this was considerably after israel had been granted its nation state (1947). Luckily Arafat was around to destroy to create the PLO, finding his "roots" in a long distant past, roots that didnt matter when the land was controlled by jordan.

      The stupid dirty jews were dumb by allowing the arabs to stay in the area instead of removing them as the arabs had intended to them. Stupid jewish mercy on there enemys has caused the problems of today, so the jews get what they deserve for not running them out at the beggining, and not listening to a precept of the old testament of "do unto others as they would do unto you."

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    21. Re:They're renaming The Two Towers!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suggest that you go back to your history books.

      There was no attempt of genocide against the Israeli's by neighbouring Arab countries until Jews living in the then "Mandate of Palestine" declared Israel their own state, against International opinion. The Israelis fought Palestinians back from the land and eventually won. Immediately all surrounding Arab countries declared war on Israel and refused to recognise its government.

      This seperation of a country was not appealing to neither the Palestinians nor the rest of the Arab world, kind of like if the West side of North America suddenly declared themselves their own country. In the years that followed, Isreal launched what it called a "pre-emptive strike" -- in other words a unprovoked strike -- against Egypt destroying its air power. Israel then moved against Jordan, Syria and Egypt capturing and occupying land in the 1967 war.

      Israels continued occupation of these lands is considered illegal, however Israel continues to defy international law and the resultions passed by the United Nations.

    22. Re:They're renaming The Two Towers!!! by Buzz_Litebeer · · Score: 1

      You miss a point, the palestinians find the very fact that israelis are in israel (i mean all of it) is offensive that means that all the israelis have to be removed or killed to solve the problem.

      America supports israel because they are our ally in the area, if they were weaker they would be dead by now. Yes we give them a lot of money, but much of that is because they are in a great position to extend our war capabilities in the arab theatre.

      I see you obvisouly do not beleive suicide bombing children is inhuman.

      and i dont see why you think americans should not live in fear, we are the ones that are causing the problem, the under funded afghans and alqueda are trying to solve it at a low budget, does this sound familiar to your argument? it should because its the same one. Just because they are arabs in palestiens and not afghanistanians doesnt mean that there goals are different. Both are fighting because they feel threatened by a larger, better funeded enemy. By validationg the actions of one you validate the actions of the other.

      Just because the people involved are israelis and not americans should not mean anything to the argument. We send them money because the United States is there ally, and we turn a blind eye to it because we are doing just as bad things to afghanistanians, innocent afghanistanians, that the isralis are. to tell the israelis straight out that what they are doing is "bad" is to bring our own policy decisions in that area suspect, since in essence we took the same stand that the israelis did, fortunaly we are americans and can get away with everything.

      In all truth i support neither israels or PLO in this matter, because the actions they BOTH have taken have been bad from a point of view and just as justly. To side with either one would be ignoring the crimes that they have commited. If you side with israel, and are american or british, then you are hypocritical because you have taken the same measures numerous times in history, if you side with PLO, and are american or british, then you are hypocritical because you condemed similar actions when done against your citizenry. If you side with PLO because they lived there for a long time, then you are a hypocrite because israelis have too lived there for a long time.

      and yes an acceptable method when taking over someones country from them is to bulldoze there houses, burn them to the ground, and start anew, because 300 years down the line no one will remember, and when it happens to you, you can complain about it.

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    23. Re:They're renaming The Two Towers!!! by Buzz_Litebeer · · Score: 1

      Actually you are wrong on this, egypt, syria, and jordan were going to strike against israel, this is VERY WELL documented, israel instead decided they were going to win it, israel has the best spy network in the arab countries of any country in the world. there pre-emptive strike was for there very survival, the attack was going to happen, this has been proven by troop movements, israel was going to be invaded, if they had not destroyed the egyptian airforce then they would have been defeated.

      Now i have several books on the subject, but if you are curiuos check the internet for "creation of israel" and then look at the timeline from 1880 to 2002.

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    24. Re:They're renaming The Two Towers!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "You miss a point, the palestinians find the very fact that israelis are in israel (i mean all of it) is offensive that means that all the israelis have to be removed or killed to solve the problem."

      I assume you can back up this claim with evidence. Possibly a survey of every Palestinian, or even the majority of Palestinians living in "Palestine".

      "I see you obvisouly do not beleive suicide bombing children is inhuman."

      Uhuh. So if I believe in A, and A=B, then C must also be true.

    25. Re:They're renaming The Two Towers!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      revisionist history

    26. Re:They're renaming The Two Towers!!! by Buzz_Litebeer · · Score: 1

      I only have the actions of the arab portion living in palestinian sectors to go by, if the poeple are not organized enough to self police themselves to stop residents from killing as many israelis jews as possible, then perhaps none of them are serious about the peace process, since the only people with any seeming say (arrafat, and other terrorist groups) are part of organizations whose existence is solely to destroy israel as a state, then what can you do. This is a historically proven point, a loud minority overules a quiet majority, few know that bolsheviks (who took over russia) is a litteral meaning for minority party, the mensheviks (majority party) did not speak loud enough and were not heard.

      the regular palestinian obviously has no political voice, or power even if they do, since they do not depose there bad leaders to start on a peace process. when arrafat was closest to peace, he was the least popular, right now he is the most popular he has ever been.

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      If you don't vote, you don't matter, so don't waste your time telling me your opinion
    27. Re:They're renaming The Two Towers!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Uh, I wouldn't consider myself a biblical scholar (even though I translate ancient Greek and have taken classes on the Tanach in a previous life), but I do believe that you are WRONG in saying the Old Testament says "Do unto others as they would have done unto you". You are in fact, misquoting the New Testament, when Jesus was replying to question of what was the greatest commandment. His response, according to King James: "All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them." -- Matt 7:12

      Let me point out that I am not what any Christian would consider a Christian... At any rate, your view of history is severely skewed. Did you even realize there was a history to the Middle East before the 1880's or European colonial rule?

    28. Re:They're renaming The Two Towers!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most critics consider Ulysses to be the best book of the century, with Brave New World in second.

      Well, that's the problem, if you judge books by what critics write about them you are just part of the mass, no individiality and imagination.
      Have you even read the books yourself ?


      Book critics are just publicity whores with only hint of education, style and intelligence.

    29. Re:They're renaming The Two Towers!!! by langkjer · · Score: 1

      Ulysses? Isn't that book pretty much unreadable?

  7. listinging by neo8750 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    You can listen to the interview here if you have Real Audio.

    Yeah I could if i Had real audio. Anyone will to write down the conversation and post it some were so those of us who don't have real audio can read it?

    1. Re:listinging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Insightful

      Yeah I could if i Had real audio. Anyone will to write down the conversation and post it some were so those of us who don't have real audio can read it?

      Fucking Waaahh!!! Get off you're stupid, lazy, bitchy, fagot ass and install it chump:

      http://huxley.real.com/real/player/unix/unix.html? src=rpbform

    2. Re:listinging by $carab · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I seriously don't understand why virtually all of NPR's (National Public Radio's) online stuff is real audio encoded. I mean, wouldn't .mp3 (or .ogg?) encoding be cheaper and enable a wider variety of players?

    3. Re:listinging by Innominate+Recreant · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's because everyone knows that mp3 and ogg are only used for violating intellectual property rights ;-)

    4. Re:listinging by Osty · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Fucking Waaahh!!! Get off you're stupid, lazy, bitchy, fagot ass and install it chump:

      I don't think the point was that Real player was unavailable. Rather, it was that Real player is a huge steaming pile of shit, and many people refuse to install it (even if it is available for their platform). There are many better streaming codecs out there; why anyone would still use Real is beyond my comprehension.

    5. Re:listinging by interiot · · Score: 2

      Because they too are interested in accumulating Intellectual Property and selling it, and presumably RA assists in that more than MP3's would.

    6. Re:listinging by _Wrath_ · · Score: 1
      why anyone would still use Real is beyond my comprehension.

      probably people who want to be able to function in the Real World (tm).

      There is a lot of half-baked codecs and proprietary standards, but deal with it. If you want to hear their shit, then deal with Real Audio.

    7. Re:listinging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, go to link you suggest (chump), pull down menu "OS", go to select "OS X" - what, it's not there!

      Real Player is crap anyway.

    8. Re:listinging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Good job moderating up a post with the word "fagot" in it.

    9. Re:listinging by epukinsk · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, here's the transcription:

      Studio360: So you did that phantom edit thing?
      PhantomEditor: Yeah.
      S360: How come?
      PE: TPM was lame. Lucas is a capitalist dog. I made it seem like Anakin is more badass and less of a tool and I took out all of the Jar-Jar CG bullshit.
      S360: How did it get so big?
      PE: Internet.
      S360: Has George Lucas seen it?
      PE: He wanted to, but his legaltroids made him say he wouldn't. He should tho, cuz it's 31337.

    10. Re:listinging by discstickers · · Score: 1

      Yup... you can use the .m3u format. Basically, it streams the mp3s over http. It requires no special server or client. Most mp3 players can access the streams (iTunes on Mac, WinAmp on Windows). You can set up playlists too.

      There's even a linux-compatible program, NetJuke, that creates custom playlists for streaming.

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    11. Re:listinging by $carab · · Score: 2

      Probably true, but just to fill all you non-Us people in, NPR is generally thought of as representative of a very liberal viewpoint in the States. One would of thought they would embrace open formats rather than more closed formats.

      Seems like an obvious example of hypocrisy, from an institution that's one of the few sources of really high quality media (in general, the content on Public media outlets [PBS and NPR] is vastly superior to the commercial tripe we're all used to).

    12. Re:listinging by Mark+Pitman · · Score: 2, Informative
      you can use the .m3u format

      m3u isn't really a format. It is just the file extension for a text file with a list of mp3 files in it separated by CRLF on windows and LF on UNIX. It is a playlist file.

    13. Re:listinging by the_rev_matt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      National Petroleum Radio is liberal? When did that happen?

      Last I checked they were moderate with a vaguely right wing tilt on fiscal/business/foreign policy issues and a vaguely left wing tilt on social issues.

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    14. Re:listinging by quinto2000 · · Score: 1

      Your library probably offers you free access to the transcripts. Database software like Electronic Library and ProQuest often have gateways for library customers that can be accessed online for free, as long as you have a library card. I know that TOTN and other popular NPR broadcasts are available through both. Go to your library's website and check it out.

      --
      Ceci n'est pas un post
    15. Re:listinging by shobadobs · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      maybe his ass is a pile of sticks.

    16. Re:listinging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Yeah, go to link you suggest (chump), pull down menu "OS", go to select "OS X" - what, it's not there!

      Ya, just like 95% of the rest of software out there. Even so, you could run the OS9 version through the fucking emulator you idiot.

    17. Re:listinging by spike+hay · · Score: -1, Flamebait

      I refuse to install Real Player. What a load of crap. So fscking buggy. I spit on the Real Player developers. May they fall prey to DIVX and Winamp!!!

      --
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    18. Re:listinging by Jack_of_Hearts · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Uh, no, not really...

      NPR has been way left for years - decades - now. Right wingers yell a lot about this every time its budget is up for reapproval.

    19. Re:listinging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Notice how he's asking for a transcript? He doesn't *want* to listen to it, he wants to read it. And he doesn't want it bad enough to install RealPlayer. Duh.

      And if you can't get anything besides that "RealOne" crap, I don't either. Most annoying piece of crap I've ever installed.

    20. Re:listinging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, no, not really...

      Amazingly, and here's where I know you're getting caught up, right wingers tend not to tell the truth when they're whining. It stems from an even greater problem, though. I believe the doctors have diagnosed it as politics, and I'm afraid it's terminal.

    21. Re:listinging by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 3, Funny

      No problem. The Slashdot editors transcripted it themselves, and have it in this nice universal Word 2000 doc file. Enjoy it.

    22. Re:listinging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the real answer is that MP3 and OGG are designed for music, not voice.

      RealAudio has can get "radio-quality" voice over a 30Kbps stream (for modem users). MP3 and OGG can barely make it at 64K and usually gets streamed at 128K.

    23. Re:listinging by tfreport · · Score: 1

      Uh actually, he was right, it is a right-tilted station according to the economy. It is just that the conservative right-wing in the United States is not very conservative when it comes to monetary policy. Supply-side is a liberal idea in terms of macroeconomics, not to mention that it has been Bush II and Reagan to increase spending in the last 40 years more than any other presidents. So much for the people's money.

    24. Re:listinging by NearlyHeadless · · Score: 2

      I don't have a transcript of this interview, but he has done some interviews in the past.

    25. Re:listinging by GigsVT · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Last I checked they were moderate with a vaguely right wing tilt on fiscal/business/foreign policy issues and a vaguely left wing tilt on social issues.

      That's called moderate libertarianism, and it's pretty much the only philosophy that makes sense.

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    26. Re:listinging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Last I checked they were moderate with a vaguely right wing tilt on fiscal/business/foreign policy issues and a vaguely left wing tilt on social issues.

      Much like the world itself.

    27. Re:listinging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah I could if i Had real audio. Anyone will to write down the conversation and post it some were so those of us who don't have real audio can read it?

      Did you go to the guy's site, too? Java, Flash, ActiveX...it brought down Opera the way that a trash fire brings down a house.

    28. Re:listinging by Com2Kid · · Score: 2

      And the real answer is that MP3 and OGG are designed for music, not voice.

      RealAudio has can get "radio-quality" voice over a 30Kbps stream (for modem users). MP3 and OGG can barely make it at 64K and usually gets streamed at 128K.


      Somebody give the AC a cookie, or at least mod the above commment up.

      Real Audio still does the ONE thing that it started out able to do, namely stream plain old human voice at a low bitrate at passible quality.

      Better codecs have come along since Real, but none have gained the same widespread acceptable of Real Audio.

      Their video codec blows though, and so does their player. . . .

      Their third to last restructuring attempt likely failed because they were obviously more interested in taking paying ads to be included in the 'channels' listing them providing users with a real interface to internet radio stations.

      Oddly enough Real Audio has had slightly more success over in Japan for use in interactive internet radio stations and even the occasional video broadcast. NIfty stuff actualy, of course when our economy crashed theirs went along with it (or slightly before hand IIRC ) so such things are not as common as they used to be (if they are at all any more, beats me, news of such takes for-friggin-ever to get over to the states, even with the internet.)

    29. Re:listinging by reverius · · Score: 2

      I'd REALLY like to know who moderated this as "insightful"... it's obviously a tongue-in-cheek joke. NPR stands for National Public Radio, and the parent of this post was correct in most of its assertions.

      Any existence of or relation to National Petroleum Radio is coincidental, seeing as that's decidedly not the radio station to which we are referring.

      -- Reverius

    30. Re:listinging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      In America today you are considered extremely liberal if you are to the left of Hitler.

    31. Re:listinging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Well, Hitler was a socialist.

    32. Re:listinging by darien · · Score: 2

      The most frustrating thing about RealOne Player is, it's actually a really good player (IMO). Much more stable and cleaner in use than WMP, and does vaguely sensible things, like staying on top while video is playing, but allowing itself to be behind while stopped.

      But you have to spend forever changing options and setting up your firewall to stop it pestering you the whole time with crap you don't care about. It's like they got a load of great programmers to write it, but accidentally fed them marketing food for a month before anyone noticed.

      Still, I use it in preference to WMP. And, thanks to ZoneAlarm, Real Inc. don't even know. He he he.

    33. Re:listinging by MrDolby · · Score: 1

      Ha, when in recent years has a democrat used supply side theory? The last one I can think of is Kennedy, but that was before it was called supply side. I will agree Bush I and Bush II don't care about supply side theory very much if at all, though.

    34. Re:listinging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think everyone is missing the point to begin with.

      For those fans out there of Star Wars, they can get a "behind the scenes" scoop about the next film.

      Who f'ing cares what format it is in, if you should or should not install it, if there are better players out there, etc. etc. etc.

      If you want to *whine* about crap like this- I have one thing to say to you:

      "Take a Motrin and SUCK IT UP!"

    35. Re:listinging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, NPR stands for National Proletariat Radio!

    36. Re:listinging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You were in the military, weren't you.

      Broken limb? Have a motrin!

    37. Re:listinging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, he was a Nazi.

      Read this:
      http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitler.htm

    38. Re:listinging by RadioTV · · Score: 1

      The reason is NPR (including member stations) gets free licenses for Real Server. I admin a Real server for a NPR member station.

      --
      I have great faith in fools - self confidence my friends call it. - Edgar Allan Poe
    39. Re:listinging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ummm...

      Let's see. The Webster's dictionary definition for NAZI is: National SOCIALIST German Workers' Party

    40. Re:listinging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you're just so right-wing reactionary that you think that conservative organizations like NPR are liberal. Maybe compared to wacked out crack fiends like you they are, but that proves nothing, scum!

    41. Re:listinging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      or maybe yer such a left wing you thing organizations like NPR are conservative?


      geez...

    42. Re:listinging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or maybe yer such a right wing nut that you think he's such a left wing nut who would think that organizations like NPR are conservative.

    43. Re:listinging by YellowBook · · Score: 2

      It ought to be moderated "funny", though it's also sort of insightful. National Petroleum Radio is a good nickname for today's NPR. Since the Gingrich congress managed to remove most of NPR's federal funding, NPR has received most of its funding from large corporate donors, and its news/editorial positions have reflected this. NPR may have a liberal reputation, but if you look at their reporting (especially on globalization issues), you'll see that that reputation is no longer accurate; it reflects the time when NPR was largely publicly funded.

      --
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      Yhtill forever. (R. W. Chambers, the King in Yellow
    44. Re:listinging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So? A certain document declares its government to be "For the people, by the people, and of the people", and you don't believe THAT piece of marketing either, do you? Nazis were as fascist as they come.

    45. Re:listinging by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 2
      What are your firewall settings? I'd consider installing Real (on a throw-away box I wouldn't mind losing if they hacked it) if I had some assurance I could stop Real from hacking my computer. Read their license: it grants them the right to hack your computer! As if I'd allow anything on my box under those terms. Yet people load it all the fucking time! Morons.

      Jeeze, at least Micro$oft only nags you to get the updates, they don't force them down your throat unannounced.

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    46. Re:listinging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's "transcribed".

    47. Re:listinging by TWR · · Score: 2
      No, that would be France, where 18% of the country just voted for the reincarnation of Mussolini. The other 81% of the country aren't fascists, they're just trying to round up Jews to throw into ovens.

      -jon

      --

      Remember Amalek.

    48. Re:listinging by TWR · · Score: 2
      I forgot to mention the 1% who are the ones being thrown into the ovens...

      -jon

      --

      Remember Amalek.

    49. Re:listinging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correction, Benito Mussolini was a fascist.

      Hitler was a National SOCIALIST.

    50. Re:listinging by trixillion · · Score: 1

      Ummm, yeah and North Korea is officially the DEMOCRATIC People's Republic of Korea. Sure the Nazi's said they were socialist but that doesn't mean anything other than the fact that it was a buzz word during that time. BTW, from the merriam webster online dictionary, nazi: 1) a member of a German FASICIST party controlling Germany from 1933 to 1945 under Adolf Hitler

    51. Re:listinging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Adolf Hitler
      Speech of April 12, 1921

      "We are not fighting Jewish or Christian capitalism, we are fighting every capitalism: we are making the people completely free."

      Sounds like SOCIALISM to me.

    52. Re:listinging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Le Pen Rocks.

  8. Slashdotters, here's some advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Close your web browser, shut down your fucking linux "b0xen" and go outside for once in your life.

    I think the fact that a site like slashdot, which caters to you fucking nerds out there, can't even
    survive without having to charge you for reading it, says alot about how much you fucks are worth to the rest of the world: ZERO.

    This should serve as a wakeup call to all you nerds out there who think that working on your b0xen in your one bedroom apartment, posting useless shit to a useless web site like slashdot and reading about the newest version of OpenBSD that can run on your fucking Dreamcast console is a good way to go through life.

    So wake the fuck up and DO something productive, something that makes money. Stop wasting your time talking about open source fucking garbage that will never amount to anything useful.

    1. Re:Slashdotters, here's some advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Interesting. I started off thinking you were a troll with nothing to say end ended up laughing and agreeing with you in the end. The part about BSD on the Dreamcast was very good.

      Will open source amount to anything? Probably not, but it keeps them happy and is less messy than masturbation.

    2. Re:Slashdotters, here's some advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
      Is open source really less messy than masturbation?

      Not in Slashcode's case. Although I'm sure plenty of masturbation went into its creation.

      --#trolltalk

    3. Re:Slashdotters, here's some advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Close your web browser, shut down your fucking linux "b0xen" and go outside for once in your life.

      Why not take your own advice, Mr. Slashdot Troll?

  9. Why?? by Eccles · · Score: 0, Redundant

    It's quite interesting and explains why he hated Jar Jar Binks so much

    Does that really need explaining?

    --
    Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
  10. clever idea to post streaming media files on /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



    Slashdotted already,

    who's idea was it to post large media files on /. lowly html sites have enough trouble without melting some poor sods realserver

  11. 8th or 9th or 10th or 11th post by YoJaUta · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    hurrrrr
    jerkcity prz

  12. The only thing that could make episode 2 worse.... by nil5 · · Score: 1, Funny

    than episode 1?

    Not Jar Jar again, but Jon Katz.

  13. Well? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I wonder if the movie will have any HOT, GAY POOPSEX?

    1. Re:Well? by rob-fu · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      I wonder if the movie will have any HOT, GAY POOPSEX?

      Rumour has it that there was one such scene between Jimmy Smits and Samuel L. Jackson; however, George Lucas cut it out in the editing stage after serious contemplation, since he didn't feel that they 'were trying to reach that kind of audience.'

      Can't remember where I read that...

  14. Suck a fat cock, slashdot homos! by Dick+Veiney · · Score: -1

    One large black condommed cock up the ass, Homos! Ribbed for his pleasure!

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  15. Ayn Rand licked my hairy scrotum! by Pr0n+K1ng · · Score: -1

    While we were sitting on my couch watching an unreleased preview of Episode II. Jar Jar becomes a Jedi in the as of yet unreleased sequel. It gets revealed that Luke is actually the love child of Jango Fett and Mace Windu.

    For those still wondering, Ayn's philosophy sucks, and is wholly illogical, but boy was she ever a great fuck.

    --

    Oh well, back to dowloading pr0n...

    Pr0n K1ng

  16. But by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    It's raining outside... my laptop might get all wet.

  17. And check out... by jhunsake · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Phantom Editor's Website!

    1. Re:And check out... by Giga · · Score: 1

      I haven't seen The Phantom Edit 1.1, but at least it has to be better than that website.

    2. Re:And check out... by PD · · Score: 1

      That website takes out Mozilla 1.0 RC 1 cold. What the hell causes that to happen?

    3. Re:And check out... by decaying · · Score: 1

      Check bugzilla, I think there is (was?) an error with the flash plugin....

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      ----- One piece short of Legoland
    4. Re:And check out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Mozilla still kinda sucks?

    5. Re:And check out... by 56ker · · Score: 2

      Ah - the *cue dramatic music* Phantom Error!

    6. Re:And check out... by Afrosheen · · Score: 0, Troll

      What a homo..look what this guy said about stopping by the filming of Jay and SB Strike Back:

      As I walked closer, I was passing by Shannon Elizabeth (all kinds of cute), Jason Mewes, Dwight Ewel, Joey Lauren Adams (looks great in person by the way), Brian O'Halloran, Jeff Anderson, Renee Humphrey (sweet), Walt Flannagan (almost as sexy as Mewes)

      At first I had to remember this was a GUY writing this article, made me think twice.

    7. Re:And check out... by jred · · Score: 1

      I don't see what his sexual orientation has to do with anything. But what do I know?

      --

      jred
      I'm not a mechanic but I play one in my garage...
    8. Re:And check out... by ChazeFroy · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Off topic, here's a direct link to the latest Star Wars trailer (QuickTime Pro required):

      http://starwars.apple.com/ep2/clone_war/media/gate / p2_clone_war_p640.mov. The first half of the trailer is made up of scenes from earlier trailers, but the second half is EXCELLENT. I won't spoil it for everybody, but a Jagger (can't make out his first name) Fett is mentioned and shown, as well as the predacessors to the storm troopers (the republic army).

    9. Re:And check out... by G-funk · · Score: 2

      Jango Fett, he's boba-fett's dad, played by temuera morrisson. For those in the northen hemisphere, temuera morrisson (sp?) played "Jeek the mess" (ducks projectiles from nz neighbours) one of the toughest blokes ever portrayed on film, in "Once were warriors" and its sequel, "what becomes of the broken hearted".

      And boba-fett's in it as a little kid, which is so damned cool :-)

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    10. Re:And check out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see what his sexual orientation has to do with anything. But what do I know?

      Clearly not that homos are wimps who are too afraid of women to put it where it belongs.

      Seriously, though, it's a little unfair that the parent was modded Troll. I paused at the same part of that story as well, wondering what to make of it.

      Maybe the Phantom Editor is gay. If that's true, all the more reason to watch every single one of his movies and never, ever actually hang out with him.

    11. Re:And check out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think Jake the Muss is tough... you need to see Chopper.
      That guy is tough.

  18. Jar Jar Binks by cliffy2000 · · Score: 2, Funny

    [rant]
    I believe that I speak for all Star Wars fans... or make that even all humans... when I state that Jar Jar Binks must be destroyed.
    Alright, perhaps that was a tad harsh. But what is the value to the character -- he is racially offensive, disrupts all possible dark and intelligent tones to the movie and, lest I forget to mention, quite possibly the most annoying character not portrayed by Pauly Shore or Carrot Top ever witnessed in a movie.
    Now, this is just my personal opinion. But Mr. Lucas, with all due respect, what on earth were you smoking?
    And one more thing! Didn't they learn their lesson from the Ewoks? Jar Jar = the Ewoks to the nth degree.
    [/rant]

    1. Re:Jar Jar Binks by Tralfamadorian · · Score: 1

      Racially offensive? Of what race is he? Maybe only racist people find that true.

    2. Re:Jar Jar Binks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love EWOKS cuz they're FURRY!

    3. Re:Jar Jar Binks by praktike · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Racially offensive?

      well, he pretty clearly speaks with some sort jamaican accent, and might as well be wearing blackface as far as i'm concerned.

      and the trade federation was pretty thinly-veiled racism against the japanese.

      to be fair, i also thought lotr has some racist undertones as well...i mean, the book is especially bad on this score, equating darkness of skin with evil, and fairness of skin w/ good. imagine how that makes someone with dark skin feel...when really it's all a function of evolution and differential exposure to radiation over time...

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    4. Re:Jar Jar Binks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, he pretty clearly speaks with some sort jamaican accent, and might as well be wearing blackface as far as i'm concerned.

      and the trade federation was pretty thinly-veiled racism against the japanese.

      to be fair, i also thought lotr has some racist undertones as well...i mean, the book is especially bad on this score, equating darkness of skin with evil, and fairness of skin w/ good. imagine how that makes someone with dark skin feel...when really it's all a function of evolution and differential exposure to radiation over time...


      I think I can sum this up by saying "wonk wonk wonk".

    5. Re:Jar Jar Binks by xercist · · Score: 2

      Yes, and all those cartoons that portrey the evil character as having a beard! I find that offensive to claim that people with facial hair are more likely to be evil than those without. Let's organize a protest!

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    6. Re:Jar Jar Binks by Tralfamadorian · · Score: 1

      Maybe people think about being offended too much... I mean, should I bitch about Foghorn leghorn being offensive to southern peoples, I mean, they can't help where they are born, or who they learned to speak from...

      Anyone who would feel bad because they saw a movie where people who had dark skin were evil probably feel bad about pretty much anything.

      Maybe everyone should quit their bitchin'

    7. Re:Jar Jar Binks by joel8x · · Score: 2, Informative

      Didn't they learn their lesson from the Ewoks? Jar Jar = the Ewoks to the nth degree.


      Not for nothing, but I was quite young when Jedi came out and I loved the Ewoks - they were something for me to appreciate and I found them very entertaining - maybe the kids today feel that way about Jar Jar. I didn't really appreciate the whole series until I was older, but those Ewoks really turned me on to the Star Wars Trilogy because of their childish appeal. I can see why George felt the need to include Jar Jar in the first Movie this time instead of the third - he wants the kids involved so they stick through all 3 new movies and hopefully watch the other 3.

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    8. Re:Jar Jar Binks by praktike · · Score: 3, Informative
      Anyone who would feel bad because they saw a movie where people who had dark skin were evil probably feel bad about pretty much anything.

      no, no, no.

      the problem is that in the usa, there is a history of both legal and illegal discrimination against people of darker skin. the beard analogy doesn't fly for this reason--people with beards weren't ENSLAVED and then BEATEN and FIREHOSED in the streets of the south. as for the general southern accent thing, well, you might be able to prove that people with southern accents are less likely to get lots of types of jobs (tv news anchor, for instance). but there just isn't the same historical pattern of discrimination.

      so there's a real diffence. which is why there's also a legal distinction (disclaimer--IANAL), see the 14th amendment.

      what I'm not saying, though, is that these movies are illegal in any way. but i think people are justified in being offended.

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    9. Re:Jar Jar Binks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Why to little kids like stupid things like Ewoks and Jar Jar?

    10. Re:Jar Jar Binks by VoiceOfRaisin · · Score: 0, Troll

      wtf? why is having an accent racist? maybe its hard to make up an all new alien accent? maybe the people were jamaican and japanese that did the accents? why are you getting upset over nothing? this is like saying "some of the aliens sounded like white americans! im outraged!"
      idiotic.

    11. Re:Jar Jar Binks by clearcache · · Score: 2

      Hm. I always thought he spoke with some sort of alien accent.

    12. Re:Jar Jar Binks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While Jar Jar annoyed the bejesus out of me, I can't say as the accent is particularly inappropriate. Jar Jar's accent does resemble a Jamaican one, but it also resembles Tok Pisin and other English-based Creole languages. This is exactly the kind of language you'd expect among a indigenous population located in such close proximity to another culture that has the upper hand in most/all interactions between the two. ie/ The same sort of situation that led to Jamaican's speaking what is basically a creolized english would lead the Gungans to speak a creolized version of whatever the Naboo spoke (ie/ english).

      The racist assumption being made with respect to Jar Jar, is that people who speak a creole language aren't intelligent enough to learn the "proper" version. That's not true in reality, and it's not true in Star Wars, either.

      As for the trade federation, I'm pretty sure they were a direct attack on Canadians, not the Japanese - have you heard our Prime Minister?

    13. Re:Jar Jar Binks by dillon_rinker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Besides, Foghorn Leghorn's entire manner of speech was meant to parody that of a prominent politician in the days when the character originated. The character was meant to satirize the politician.

      This sort of proves the point, though. We want to make fun of someone, but that isn't politic. So we make a cartoon character that talks like the person we want to make fun of. Then we mock the cartoon character. Or, if we want to show that Jews are evil, Africans are ignorant, and Chinese are evil and ignorant, we make aliens that talk like Jews, Africans, and Chinese and then mock the aliens.

      I tend to believe George Lucas when he says that wasn't his intent, but it's pretty amazing that the man could be so insensitive...I guess we were all supposed to grin with our big white teeth and say "Yassuh, that's how it is, sho nuf!"

    14. Re:Jar Jar Binks by zulux · · Score: 2

      i also thought lotr has some racist undertones as well...i mean, the book is especially bad on this score, equating darkness of skin with evil, and fairness of skin w/ good. imagine how that makes someone with dark skin feel...

      LOTR was intended to be a mythology of northern Europe, according to it's author. It's not suprising that the fairer peoples in the book are the more noble.

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    15. Re:Jar Jar Binks by czardonic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      wtf? why is having an accent racist?

      An accent is not racist. Using an accent to identify a character with a race of people, and making said character a buffon who exhibits many negative sterotypes about that race of people is racist.

      maybe the people were jamaican and japanese that did the accents?

      I guess someone who would assume that voice actors who are Jamaican or Japanese would not be able to acheive accents that did not sound like cartoon versions of their own native accents should not be expected to understand this issue.

      this is like saying "some of the aliens sounded like white americans! im outraged!"

      What if all the aliens stole everything they had from other races and had tiny penises? What if 99% of movie or television appearances by white people were characterized as such. Might be funny for a while, but how about after 5 or 6 decades?

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    16. Re:Jar Jar Binks by czardonic · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      The racist assumption being made with respect to Jar Jar, is that people who speak a creole language aren't intelligent enough to learn the "proper" version. That's not true in reality, and it's not true in Star Wars, either.

      The racist assumption stems from the fact that he speaks with a Jamaican accent and he just so happens to be a bumbling buffoon who sports many negative idiosyncracies attributed to black people by racist, bearded Hollywood types. Coincidence?

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    17. Re:Jar Jar Binks by Fn0rd · · Score: 1

      ...equating darkness of skin with evil...

      I haven't read the LOTR triology in many, many, years, but I seem to recall a completely pitch-black
      character - a good-guy, protector of the ring-bearer, and representing several ideas of perfection.

      Someone help me with the character's name?

    18. Re:Jar Jar Binks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well that's why I was always a big fan of "Johnny Quest." Dr. Quest is an intelligent, heroic figure with a beard, and he's also probably one of the first fairly openly gay characters on TV.

    19. Re:Jar Jar Binks by odaiwai · · Score: 3, Informative

      You're thinking of Vain from the Chronicles of Thomas Covenant.

      dave

    20. Re:Jar Jar Binks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The asian accent for those inscrutable trade federation leaders and the Caribbean accent for the simpleton Jar Jar Binks is really just a lazy short cut by the filmmaker. He uses racial stereotypes to define his characters when he could be using dialog motivation etc. - tools that define a skilled moviemaker. But you and your virgin masturbating-to-video-games slashdot friends probably care more about the explosions, right?

      Why didn't he just make the evil characters into German Nazis like in the old days?

    21. Re:Jar Jar Binks by VoiceOfRaisin · · Score: 1

      An accent is not racist. Using an accent to identify a character with a race of people, and making said character a buffon who exhibits many negative sterotypes about that race of people is racist.

      ill say it again. there are PLENTY of aliens or other people in movies that sound like "white americans" that have plenty of negative aspects. but of course you ignore those.

      I guess someone who would assume that voice actors who are Jamaican or Japanese would not be able to acheive accents that did not sound like cartoon versions of their own native accents should not be expected to understand this issue.

      havent you noticed there is TONS of white people stereotypes out there in movies and tv? like irish, scottish, french, russian, etc, etc. i am of scottish background and have to look no further than the simpsons to see a heavily sterotyped character with many negative aspects. and does this bother me? does this get to me? no. is it any different if they had a black cannibal with a huge bottom lip and said ooga booga? absolutely not. its EXACTLY the same. the only difference is certain groups of people like to whine and bitch and insist they are being held down by the man. and dont bother going into history cause there was PLENTY of irish and scottish slaves too.

    22. Re:Jar Jar Binks by mdw2 · · Score: 1

      That's right, in the world today, the only way not to be racist (or sexist, or homophobic) in movies, is to make sure all characters who aren't 100% completely without-a-doubt good, white (or male, or straight). Any other race (sex, orientation) for a character who isn't completely virtuous is racist (sexist, homophobic), and the intelligent public will see through this.

      Boy, I'm glad we have such intelligence here on slashdot.

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    23. Re:Jar Jar Binks by okoloc · · Score: 1

      I am from the Caribbean and Jar Jar Binks is not offensive to Jamaicans. Jar Jar Binks does not sound liek ANY Caribbean accent! Trust me! I KNOW what a caribbean accent sounds like. I HAVE ONE!

      No caribbean person I know thinks it's offensive. Why should non-caribbean people think so?

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    24. Re:Jar Jar Binks by czardonic · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I'll say it again: What if all the "white" aliens stole everything they had from other races and had tiny penises? What if 99% of movie or television appearances by white people were characterized as such. Might be funny for a while, but how about after 5 or 6 decades?

      This is where the difference lies. What if every Scottish character was a re-hash of Groundskeeper Willy? Such that the vast majority of non-Scottish people you met thought that every Scottish person talked/thought/acted the same way? What if you spent your whole life hearing people put you down and laughing at you based on that image of Scottish people? You might be a little "over-sensitive" about it too.

      There are many and varied White characters played in movies. Thus, for every villian there is bound to be a hero. For every drunk Irish character, there is a proud tough as nails Irish character. For every primping, cowardly French character, there is a suave, ladies-man French character, and so on for most White ethnic groups and nationalities. And between these extremes are a myriad other representations. This is not so true with black characters. For every dope-slinging gangbanger, for every back alley mugger, for every Steppin Fetchit you do not see a positive Black character. And as you go back in history, the ratio of bad to good grows even worse.

      It's no coincidence that among people who are not exposed to Black people on a regular basis there is a very narrow idea of how they act. These people get this idea from the one place that they do see Black people, the media. The reason is that the media presents a vary narrow (and negative) representation of Black people.

      Of course, this argument is moot if you think that all Black people are either buffons or thugs, and that Hollywood is merely representing reality.

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    25. Re:Jar Jar Binks by czardonic · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Jar Jar Binks does not sound liek ANY Caribbean accent! Trust me! I KNOW what a caribbean accent sounds like. I HAVE ONE!

      That is what makes it all the more an insult. It is a streotype of a Jamaican accent applied to a stereotype of Black person. YOU may no better, but when 99% of the world hears Jar Jar, they think Jamaican.

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    26. Re:Jar Jar Binks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well I dont know anyone who thought jar jar sounded like a jamaican.

      Personally I thought he sounded like a complete idiot.

      Oh yes and if you do think he sounded like a black guy, maybe thats cause the voice was done by a black guy....

      It was a stupid character, its as simple as that.

    27. Re:Jar Jar Binks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I was so goddamn stupid I mixed up "know" and "no", I wouldn't call Jar Jar a buffoon.

    28. Re:Jar Jar Binks by abhinavnath · · Score: 1

      Regarding LOTR, it is quite clearly racist when talking about the haradrim/southrons, with their elephants and scimitars and so forth. But it doesn't bother me at all (I'm Indian myself) because hell, it's just a fricking story about hobbits. Tolkien was trying to echo or foreshadow European history, and Europe's biggest enemies have historically been from the South and East. (OT, possibly something about Europe beeing in the northwest...)

      But the racism doesn't detract from the greatness of the story - it's like much of Kipling's work. There is considerable racism implicit in his descriptions of colonial rule, but his work reflects a true love for his reflected homeland.

      Tolkien needed a villainous race of men, and since his protagonists are of good anglosaxon stock, a dark-skinned oriental antagonist race makes good sense. There's no malice intended, and that (for me at least) means that his descriptions are not in the least offensive or painful.

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    29. Re:Jar Jar Binks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, that's why he says things like "exsqueeeze me".

    30. Re:Jar Jar Binks by tpv · · Score: 1
      I agree. When I first saw TPM, I assumed that Lucas had watched "Chasing Amy" too many times, and had started to believe it.
      Always some white boy gotta invoke "the holy trilogy!" Bust this--those movies are about how the white man keeps the brother man down--even in a galaxy far, far away. Check this shit: You got Cracker farmboy Luke Skywaker; Nazi poster boy--blonde hair, blue eyes. And then you've got Darth Vadar: the blackest brother in the galaxy. Nubian God.
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    31. Re:Jar Jar Binks by talleyrand · · Score: 2, Funny
      equating darkness of skin with evil, and fairness of skin w/ good
      Ah yes, a sentiment best summarized by Kevin Smith in Chasing Amy.

      Hooper ...those movies are about how the white man keeps the brother man down - even in a galaxy far, far away. Check this shit. You got cracker farm-boy Luke Skywalker, Nazi poster boy - blond hair, blue eyes. And then you got Darth Vader, the blackest brother in the galaxy, Nubian god!

      Banky What's a Nubian?

      Hooper Shut the fuck up! Now Vader, he's a spiritual brother, with the force and all that shit. Then this cracker Skywalker gets his hands on a lightsaber, and the boy decides he's gonna run the fucking universe - gets a whole Klan of whites together, and they're gonna bust up Vader's 'hood the Death Star. Now what the fuck do you call that!

      Banky Intergalactic Civil War?

      Hooper Gentrification. They're gonna drive our the black element, to make the galaxy quote, unquote 'safe' for white folks. Jedi's the most insulting installment, because Vader's beautiful, black visage is sullied when he pulls off his mask to reveal a feeble, crusty white man! They're trying to tell us that deep inside, we all want to be white!

      Banky Well isn't that true?
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    32. Re:Jar Jar Binks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking as a fellow Gungan - I found the portrayol of Jar jar to be very racist and offensive.

      They completely ignore the finer aspects of our culture.

      ;-)

    33. Re:Jar Jar Binks by okoloc · · Score: 1

      Only an idiot would think that an fictitious alien on a fictitious planet in a fantasy/sci-fi movie is in any way representative of Jamaican/Caribbean people.

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    34. Re:Jar Jar Binks by GoodbyeBlueSky1 · · Score: 1

      to be fair, i also thought lotr has some racist undertones as well...i mean, the book is especially bad on this score, equating darkness of skin with evil, and fairness of skin w/ good.


      Yeah, I found that kinda strange at first, but if you think about it, in terms of geographical locations, the "darker skinned" men all came from the south and far east, which explains the skin tones a bit. Of course, that could just be a convenient justification, but just as I don't equate certain events in LOTR to antiwar metaphor (as some do), I don't think there's much more to it than simple story details.
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    35. Re:Jar Jar Binks by letxa2000 · · Score: 2
      I hate Jar Jar Binks as much as the next person, and I don't mean to defend him, but...

      Am I the only one that can still go to a movie and just try to enjoy it without trying to read social or racial inuendo into it? I mean, I didn't enjoy Episode I. But that was because the movie sucked, not because of Chinese aliens and a Jamaican Jar Jar.

      Come on, IT'S A MOVIE! I don't think any racial insults were intended and even if they were, who cares? Do you think there is going to be more racism against Jamaicans because Jar Jar supposedly talks like them? Do you think there's going to be more racism against Chinese because in Episode I they were apparently non-trustworthy traders? Cone on, that's absurd.

      FWIW, I had NEVER (until now) even heard anyone comment that Jar Jar spoke like a Jamaican. I guess everyone I know is in that 1% that doesn't think Jamaican when they think of Jar Jar.

      In fact, I think 99% of people try NOT to think of Jar Jar at all.

    36. Re:Jar Jar Binks by (outer-limits) · · Score: 1

      I think the modern bad guy is the Arab.

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    37. Re:Jar Jar Binks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Riight...could it be, perish the thought, that the ACTOR playing the part of Jar-Jar is (!!!) Jamaican!!!!?!?!?! and further, that he MADE UP the voice?!?!

    38. Re:Jar Jar Binks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grounds keeper Willy and Scotty are the only Scottish television characters I can think of. A where's this French hero you mention?

      It's no coincidence that among people who are not exposed to Black people on a regular basis there is a very narrow idea of how they act.

      And you think whites who are exposed to blacks on a regular basis have a different idea?

      The reason is that the media presents a vary narrow (and negative) representation of Black people.

      Yea, it's horrible the way the news always makes the criminal black. They always leave out the positive details, like really good fried chicken, in black neighborhoods.

      Ever notice that Unix system administrator's are always portrayed as really geeky? I think I'll be offended by that. Maybe /. can petition some studio into making a movie where Unix Admin's have lots of sex...

    39. Re:Jar Jar Binks by JimmytheGeek · · Score: 1

      I salute your perception. I haven't read much Kipling, but I understand his point of view originates with love of the Empire. And while his thinking bears the burden of concepts like "the White Man's Burden", he can still write a line like, "You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din!" Now, it may be that he was making what he considered a generous gesture when we allegedly more enlightened types would not consider it remarkable that a non-European might be a better man. Still, the line resonates for me.

      There are some similar elements in Mark Twain's treatment of african americans, and the then-common term he used for them, but I feel he accorded them a remarkable amount of dignity and sympathy. He was powerfully prejudiced as a man of his times (and ours) is bound to be, but he certainly stretched himself. I think by the end of his life he hated all humankind more or less equally.

      I found Episode 1 to be a racist throwback. It's not just the infantilism of the non-Europeans, or the grasping, greedy hook-nosed fellow that owned Annikan. I agree you can have bad guys that aren't white. The problem is to represent good guys that aren't white, too, and still fully competent. And not just as tokens who get to take a bullet so the white guy can live.

    40. Re:Jar Jar Binks by WNight · · Score: 2

      Get over yourself.

      For every nasty stereotype you see of a black guy there are more positive ones.

      I thought Wil Smith's character in Independence Day was pretty cool. Samuel Jackson's character in Pulp Fiction, while a criminal, was just as cool and smart as any of the others.

      If you're seeing offensive black stereotypes everywhere you look, you're either watching KKK TV, or you're increadily hypersensitive.

    41. Re:Jar Jar Binks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Check this shit: You got Cracker farmboy Luke Skywaker; Nazi poster boy--blonde hair, blue eyes. And then you've got Darth Vadar: the blackest brother in the galaxy. Nubian God.

      Yeah, well, except for the fact that DV was a white guy inside all that armor - speaking of which, funny how all the Bad Guys (storm troopers) have white armor suits..

    42. Re:Jar Jar Binks by lightfoot+jim · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ya know barbarian originally meant someone with a beard. Seems the stereotype outlived any semblance of truth.

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    43. Re:Jar Jar Binks by prockcore · · Score: 2, Insightful

      " to be fair, i also thought lotr has some racist undertones as well...i mean, the book is especially bad on this score, equating darkness of skin with evil, and fairness of skin w/ good."

      You mean Saruman The White was good? Damn, I totally misinterpretted the books and the movie. :)

    44. Re:Jar Jar Binks by XNormal · · Score: 2

      the problem is that in the usa, there is a history of both legal and illegal discrimination against people of darker skin. the beard analogy doesn't fly for this reason--people with beards weren't ENSLAVED

      Oh, the european colonial powers benefitted from slave labor no less than the american south. They were just clever enough to keep the slaves in the colonies and import the goods instead of bringing the actual slaves to their beatiful little countries. The British, the French, the Spanish - they were no less racist than the southern slave owners.

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    45. Re:Jar Jar Binks by tpv · · Score: 1

      Don't make me bust a cap in your ass, yo! Jedi's the most insulting installment, because Vader's beautiful, black visage is sullied when he pulls off his mask to reveal a feeble, crusty old white man! They're trying to tell us that deep inside, we all want to be white!

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    46. Re:Jar Jar Binks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      your said to have fair skin when you protect yourself from the sun alot.

      Only high nobility had that luxury in old europe. Therefore, nobility had lighter skin, and was therefore more fair.

      Nothing discriminatry about it, its a historical fact that (I thought) is well known.

    47. Re:Jar Jar Binks by Bimble · · Score: 1

      You mean Saruman The White was good?

      He wasn't but because he wasn't good, he was stripped of the "White" monicker. Then we got "Gandalf the White". Saruman's fall from grace was also his fall from whiteness. How's that for logic, sucka!

      LOTR is good fiction. I read it and I was entertained. I have a brain, so I was able to read it and not decide to model my life after every nuance of the story. Passing references to Southrons and Haradrim didn't make me think, "Oh, those darn darkies!" To be honest, I barely paid any attention to them, because they were pretty incidental as badguys go.

      Stuff about "forces of light and darkness" don't get me to thinking about race because I read that phrase more literally. Y'see, there are these nouns "light" and "darkness" that have nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with how well a visually-oriented species such as our own can see. Light and darkness may be metaphors for honesty and deceit in fantasy novels like LOTR, but I don't think I've ever seen them used in a way that suggests that they're referring to "The forces of honkies and negros." People who read fantasy and get that message are trying to get their own messages from the books they read, not the messages the authors were trying to write.

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    48. Re:Jar Jar Binks by jgerman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No people are not justified in being offended. This thin skinned bleeding heart crap has gone too far. If I were to make a movie, I sure as hell would ignore ANYONE who told me my bad guys couldn't have dark skin, or light skin, or speak with this accent or that. You read too much into it. And the people who generally whine about this sort of thing are the people who look for it everywhere.

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    49. Re:Jar Jar Binks by Performer+Guy · · Score: 2

      It's you who looks at Jar-Jar and says he's black because of how he acts. Look inside yourself for the problem.

      Your comment about his accent is an insult to Jamaicans. He sounds nothing like them. Crikey, and you call others racist!

    50. Re:Jar Jar Binks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yub yub!

    51. Re:Jar Jar Binks by Matthaeus · · Score: 1

      What's your source on that? The word "barbarian" comes from the Latin word "barbaros," which means "someone who doesn't speak Latin."

    52. Re:Jar Jar Binks by Malachi · · Score: 1

      And Ewoks weren't annoying either.. They were cute cuddly little critters. Hell I think my mom still has one of my ewok stuffed animals somewhere in the attic. I even got the ewok village for christmas hehehe..

      Jar Jar was overdone, should have been easy back played maybe.. but I'm just an opinion of which there are countless.

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    53. Re:Jar Jar Binks by sketerpot · · Score: 1

      Mike Wong has a good rant about this percieved racism in Star Wars. I think it pretty well addresses the issue: you can see racism there, or you can fail to see any. I didn't see any, but perhaps I'm abnormal because I found Jar Jar to be funny.

    54. Re:Jar Jar Binks by JWW · · Score: 2

      Ok, then pick one.

      George Lucas should either....

      A) Not give into PC and make Greedo shoot first in the special edition.

      or

      B) Make damn sure everything's all PC in all the movies.

      Note: My belief is that having Greedo shoot first ruined the scene completely. I agree with the other posts on this topic, a completely PC movie would entail staring a big blank screen for two hours.

    55. Re:Jar Jar Binks by lilzabubba · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Anyone who would feel bad because they saw a movie where people who had dark skin were evil probably feel bad about pretty much anything.

      no, no, no.

      the problem is that in the usa, there is a history of both legal and illegal discrimination against people of darker skin"



      no, no, no. the problem is that there is a history of discrimination all the way back to Noah. Someone out there is always oppressed, downtrod, and yes, discriminated against. Your ancestors (some hundred plus years ago) were slaves. Her ancestors 100 years ago were women. My ancestors were poor Irish people forced into bondage by a government who oppressed them. Get over it. It is people who define the boundaries who keep discrimination alive. Others choose to teach their children to love everyone no matter what their skin color, religion, heritage or sexual preference. Eventually we'll all get it right.

      ~lilz~ Optimism IS a disease.

    56. Re:Jar Jar Binks by Dazza · · Score: 1
      Lets not forget the africans who happily sold their fellow africans into slavery...


      You think all the africans loved each other and were honestly upset when slavery caught on ?

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    57. Re:Jar Jar Binks by Shadarr · · Score: 1

      My God, I have a beard and I don't speak Latin! Does that make me an ultra-barbarian?

    58. Re:Jar Jar Binks by czardonic · · Score: 1

      I wasn't directing this comment to people who haven't seen a movie made before 1990.

      Thanks for playing.

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    59. Re:Jar Jar Binks by jafac · · Score: 2

      The whole Han Solo/Greedo thing gets really creepy on a deep level here:

      My 8 year old son and I had a huge argument about this, and he actually didn't believe me when I told him that in the ORIGINAL movie, Han Solo shot first. He said that's not true, because Han Solo was a good guy, a hero, and would never had shot first.

      I borrowed an original tape from a friend (um- er- after paying a license fee to LucasFilm and 20th Century Fox), and showed my son (paid for him too), and he was completely dumbfounded.

      "Why would they DO a thing like that? It totally changes EVERYTHING!" he complained.

      I explained, gently, that Han Solo wasn't always a hero. That he started out as a criminal. A smuggler. A law breaker. And he changed, he became a good man. A hero.
      My son liked that angle on the story much better, and thinks George Lucas was an idiot for changing it.

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    60. Re:Jar Jar Binks by Sri+Lumpa · · Score: 1
      to be fair, i also thought lotr has some racist undertones as well...[...] equating darkness of skin with evil, and fairness of skin w/ good.



      And in Star Trek you don't see a lot of fair skinned Klingons or even Klingon albinos*. An for a good part of the Star Trek history they were the baddies.



      * aside: when I was a kid I saw a black guy who was albinos, that looked weird to the kid I was but really cool.

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    61. Re:Jar Jar Binks by DrSkwid · · Score: 2

      when really it's all a function of evolution and differential exposure to radiation over time...

      not so, selective breeding based aestethics

      see Jared Diamond, Rise of the Third Chimpanzee

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      There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
    62. Re:Jar Jar Binks by WNight · · Score: 2

      Gotcha. You're wrong, but it's my fault because I didn't discount all evidence against your point of view.

      As I said before, get over yourself. Stupid racial stereotypes are as good as nonexistant in mainstream movies and television. If you keep seeing them, you may want to up the tinfoil content of your hat.

  19. I am the Killer of Trolls!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Sun goes down and trolls crawl out of their holes
    I am waiting the fuckers with my blow-torch
    I am the killer of trolls, I show the fuckers no remorse

    -Impaled Nazarene

  20. I think I speak for most of us when I ask... by dangermouse · · Score: 1, Troll

    What the hell is "the Phantom Edit 1.1"?

    1. Re:I think I speak for most of us when I ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope.

    2. Re:I think I speak for most of us when I ask... by RobHornick · · Score: 1

      It's "Star Wars Episode I.I - The Phantom Edit". In other words, the first revision to "Star Wars Episode I - The Phantom Menace". - Rob

  21. Gay guys have small balls. Big Cocks. Little Balls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Looking for Gay Guy with Big Balls.

  22. Re:Gay guys have small balls. Big Cocks. Little Ba by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    rather have big cock, small balls than small cock, big balls...

  23. phantom menace fan fiction!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    The club was heaving and I'd managed to lose all my mates whilst queing at the bar for them. I did about 5 laps of the place, looking high and low for a familiar face, before I found a seat on the upper level, looking down on the dancefloor. I thought it was the perfect position to see someone I knew....and it turned out I was right.
    I was looking down carefully when I suddenly saw a familiar face. It wasn't any of my mates though, I wasn't disappointed either. There in the middle of the dancefloor was Peter Andre. There were a few girls around him, but generally not too much fuss was made.....probably due to nobody hearing about him for the last few years. He wore a pair of black jeans and a hugging white T-shirt that showed off his pecs. I'd forgotten just how gorgeous the guy was, and this adonis was dancing seductively, just a few metres below. I sat and watched him all evening, remembering all those pictures I used to jack-off in front of, remembering his music videos, wanting to be that girl in the 'I feel you' video, imagining kissing and licking up that torso of his. My dick was getting hard at the very thought of him. The night passed quickly and I was lost in my dream world, my friends were no longer a concern. And then, as I walked out of the club, I saw Peter again, he said goodbye to a friend and then headed off in my direction.
    I followed him, not exactly following him since I was heading the same way, but I walked at his pace, so that I didn't get to close, or too far away. "This is stupid" I thought to myself. "I might as well go up to him, what have I got to lose?" I came up with an excuse and quickened my pace. As I got right up behind him I finally opened my mouth. "Excuse me.....erm I'm really sorry to bother you.....but...errrr....you're not by any chance Peter Andre are you?" There, an ice-breaker I thought.
    "Yeah" he chuckled "Yeah I am. Its been a long time since someone's recognised me" he said smiling.
    I smiled back. "Errr, I....don't suppose I could have your autograph for my sister, she's a big fan." There, my line to talk to him. A complete lie, but he'd never know!
    "Sure, you got any thing to use?"
    I pulled out a small bit of paper and handed it to him. "She'll be so happy." I said "this will really make her year!"
    "Have you got a pen?" He asked. My euphoric mood turned to disappointment.
    "Errrr......no......I......haven't" I said checking my pockets. My face dropped.
    He saw my mood change. "Look, I'll tell you what" he said. "I'm staying about five minutes walk from here, if you can delay getting home, I reckon I've got some pictures there I could sign."
    "Really? Ah that would be fantastic if you could. Are you sure its not too much trouble?"
    "Too much trouble?" he laughed. "Its been months since anyone asked me, I'm just grateful some people still recognise me! Come on, its not far."
    At that we set off, chatting about the club and how the evening had gone. We then turned up at an appartment block and I followed him up to the third floor, looking at how his jeans cradled his muscular butt as he went up the stairs ahead of me. He pulled his keys out of his pocket and let us in.
    "Make yourself comfortable" he said pointing to a cream couch as he headed past the breakfast bar to the fridge. "Want anything?" he asked.
    "No I'm fine thanks. This is a nice place."
    "I'm borrowing off a mate. He's away for a few days."
    "So anyway, what is it that you've been upto? Its been ages since I've heard about you."
    "Yeah, my second album didn't really do too well, so I've just been doing this and that, generally messing around."
    "You shouldn'y have stopped taking your top off, you would probably still be huge now!" I smiled to show it as a joke as opposed to an insult.
    "Yeah the girls did scream when my shirt came off, boy did they love it!" he chuckled.
    "They weren't the only ones!" As I said this, I tried, I really did try, to stop my mouth from moving, or my vocal cord produce sound but as if in a fantasy sequence, I'd said it. I turned bright red and hoped he hadn't heard.
    "So, did you like it when I took my top off?" he chuckled.
    "That's err......thats not what I errrrr.......I meant to say that you errr, must have errrr, had a lot of errr, well, gay fans." I spluttered.
    "Really. So you're not telling me that you like me then?"
    "Errrr.....no...I was errr, just err, thinking that errr, in todays errr, modern society, that err, you shouldn't just class society as, errr, boy err, meeting girl, if you errr, see what I mean." I felt myself burning up as I spoke, it was like someone had wacked the central heating up to full blast.
    "As long as we've got that sorted then." He walked over to the couch and grabbed my right hand with his left. "so this wouldn't turn you on in any kind of way then?" As he spoke he held my hand to his stomach. The firmness of his sixpack was incredible, my dick began to grow. Thoughts were flashing through my mind now. I mean this guy isn't gay surely. All the interviews I'd read and the number of times I'd seen how he acted pointed to a 100% straight guy. Surely he wasn't entertaining the idea of being with another man. His right hand reached down to my crotch. "Mmmmmmm, he said softly, it seems like you're enjoying it." My dick was stood to attention, as hard as steel. He pulled me to my feet. "Follow me." he said with a grin.
    I did as he asked and walked behind him, staring at his butt again as he led me to the bedroom. He led me to the middle of the room, the lights were dimly on. "Is this what you wanted to see?" he asked as he lifted his t-shirt ever so slowly over his head. First, I saw the six-pack, then came the pecs and broad shoulders and then he stood there, muscular arms down by his side and that torso that I'd fantasised about so many times, expose in front of. He wore a gold chain around his neck which bent down and up again as it passed through the crevices defining each muscle on route. He drew me in close and placed a delicate kiss on my lower lip. He moved his mouth round to my left ear and gently nibbled at the lobe. "Is this what you want?" he whispered. "Is this what you've fantasised about?"
    "Mmmmmm yes" I moaned soflty, my hans runnig over his strong, muscular back.
    "I'm glad. I'm glad I make you happy. I'm glad that I'm making your dreams come true. Now, you're going to do anything I ask, ok?"
    "Mmmmmm, anything for you."
    "I'm glad about that. You're gonna be my little fuck puppy. You're gonna obey all of your masters commands, otherwise you won't get your treat." He moved away from me and sat on the side of his huge double bed. "Now take your clothes off." I did as he asked and stood there in front of him, my dick erect and aching for relief. Slowly i ran my right hand up and then down the shaft, pulling the skin tight down at my balls. "Mmmmmmm yeah" I groaned.
    "Stop now you little fuck boy." Said Peter. "Put your arms bye your side and come here." I walked over to the bed as he stood up. I waled up to him, feeling the heat of his body. He put his right hand round my neck and pulled me in for a deep, sensual kiss. Our tongues inter-twined and I put my arms around his shoulders. His left hand grabbed hold of my butt, needing the flesh. He broke the kiss and whispered to me again. "Undress me fuck boy." The feel of his warm breath against my neck sent shivers down my spine. I looked down to see that he wasn't wearing any shoes, so instead I grabbed the buckle of his belt and undid it. I pulled at his button on his jeans, and then the three buttons that made up the flies. As these buttons came away, I felt his dick, straining to be released from his CK boxers. I reached inside his trousers at the back and pushed them down, allowing the palms of my hands to run along those butt cheeks. They were so firm it was untrue. Peter was holding me close all the time, kissing and nibbling around my ears and neck. I hooked my thumbs under the waistband of his CK's. "Wait." he whispered. "Get on your knees fuck boy, use your teeth."
    "Yes sir." I replied.
    "Sir." he said with a smirk. "Yeah, you can call me that all the time now." His strong hands pushed my shoulders down and I came to rest staring at he large pouch, straining for release. I bit down on the waistband just above his dick, and slowly pulled down. "At a boy" said Peter. His dick, finally free, started to straighten out to its eight inches. I let the boxers fall from my mouth and gently, licked at the head of his dick. "Ohhh yeahhh" moaned Peter. I couldn't believe it, my first taste of dick and it was Peter Andre's. I was in heaven. "Ohhh yeahhh. Suck me you horny fuck" he moaned. I took the head inbetween my lips and gently rolled the foreskin back. Slowly I took more of the shaft in. I took about 6 inches before withdawing and then got 6 1/2. I took his balls in my mouth and sucked on them, playing with them with my tongue. "Ooooohh Mannnn yeahhhh." He groaned. I went back to his shaft. As I closed my lips around it I felt his hands on the back of my head. This time there was no stopping, he pushed me all the way down his shaft, I almost gagged. He held my head there for a few seconds before releasing it and then ramming his dick down my throat once more. His hips began to thrust into me as he started face fucking me. With one final thrust he forcefully threw his hips forward and held my head tight around his shaft as he came with a roar "AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH YEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH that feels....so....goood" Wave after wave of cum filled my mouth and I managed to swallow every last drop of his tasty juice, before he sat back on the bed hunched over and I collapsed at his feet.
    After a few moments, he bent down a picked me up, on to my feet. He kissed me passionatley. I ran my left arm over his strong back, my right grabbed hold of his firm butt carressing the skin. He pushed down onto the my back on the middle of the bed and moved down to the end. He crawled onto the bed and over me, till his face was over mine. He lay on my, kissing me again. He started to gring his hardening dick against mine. My hands cupped his firm arse cheeks. His right hand grabbed hold of miy dick as well as his own, which was fully erect again. His fingers closed around them and he began thrusting. It didn't take long for the excitement to get to me and I came, squirting cum between our torso's. After I stopped bucking, he rolled off me.
    "Someone's gonna have to get me clean." he said. I moved over and began licking his chest. Licking all that cum off his chest, down what seemed like huge valleys between his muscles. Down to his six, or should that be eight pack? He gently used his arms to move me next to him, lying on my front, and he rolled on top of me. "And now for the final act." he said.
    The index finger of his right hand traced a line over my hole and along my crack. Suddenly his dick entered quickly and forcefully, all eight inches. Slowly, he withdrew before entering with just as much force and speed again. He began kissing my neck and back and slowed his pace. His right arm reached round my somach pulling me up, guiding me onto my knees. He held my back, parallel to the bed. "This seems appropriate doesn't it my little fuck puppy" he said between breaths. He continued fucking my arse and reached around to my hard as steel dick, jerking me off. Then, together we moaned and started to cum together. Peter collapsed next to me and pulled my head onto his chest. There we spent the night fast asleep me in his strong embrace.

  24. Where's the movie? by strredwolf · · Score: 1

    Anyone know where the offical Phantom Edited movie is?

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    --
    # Canmephians for a better Linux Kernel
    $Stalag99{"URL"}="http://stalag99.net";
    1. Re:Where's the movie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who cares where it is, someone tell me WHAT it is?!?!

    2. Re:Where's the movie? by RobHornick · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's no official site to download it. Search your choice of Google or Gnutella.
      - Rob

    3. Re:Where's the movie? by PhxBlue · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you're looking for an "official" Phantom Edit on the web, you're not going to find one. The Phantom Editor explains:

      I am The Phantom Editor. The guy that created, Episode 1.1, The Phantom Edit on my bottom of the line Macintosh G4 using an editing program called Final Cut Pro. I did not upload it onto the Internet and as a matter of fact, I am still only a 56k modem guy with no high-speed connection so to this day, I still haven't even downloaded it. Different "spirited individuals" (some knowledgable about what they are doing, and some... well...not) have digitized and converted the movie into multiple file formats...

      In short, the only versions of the Edit that are online are unofficial. You can probably find something with a Google search, but downloader beware.

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      !#@%*)anks for hanging up the phone, dear.
  25. I made a better competing "edit" of the movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    which highlights JarJar's zany antics and removes the parts that advance the story. I call it the JarJar Yes-Pleasy-Yessir Phantom Meesa-Likie-Likie Edit.

    1. Re:I made a better competing "edit" of the movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mr. Lucas, posting as an AC does not befit a man of your stature.

    2. Re:I made a better competing "edit" of the movie by Mark_in_Brazil · · Score: 3, Insightful

      An Anonymous Coward wrote: "I made a better competing 'edit' of the movie which (sic) highlights JarJar's zany antics and removes the parts that advance the story."
      Actually, I would prefer an edit of The Phantom Menace that left Jar Jar alone (all the SW movies had some kind of comic relief) and took out the embarassingly bad stuff about "chlamydians" (OK, midi-clorians, but I can't help but wonder if a simple dose of penicillin might have prevented the whole Darth Vader situation) and the virgin birth of Anakin. This little bit of Star Trek-like technobabble, in just a few minutes, completely ruined all the magic of the other three movies. The Force, before Episode I, was basically magic. How it worked was not explained and DID NOT NEED TO BE EXPLAINED, like the magic used by Merlin or Gandalf. Post-Episode I, it's a blood condition. Bleah!
      So Coward, I welcome your edit. But did you cut out that seemingly never-ending scene with the big fish getting eaten by even bigger fish?

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      "It is nice to know that the computer understands the problem. But I would like to understand it too." --Eugene Wigner
    3. Re:I made a better competing "edit" of the movie by i0lanthe · · Score: 2

      Post-Episode I, it's a blood condition.

      I don't know about you but I kept expecting a scene where the Jedi council is waiting for the report on Anakin's farandolae to come back from the lab. "Hmm. Echthroi. Prognosis not good. To the Dark Side he will turn."

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      "The Crystal Wind is the Storm, and the Storm is Data, and the Data is Life"
  26. Streaming? by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Informative

    Probably because you can start listening nearly instantly, vs. waiting for the whole file to download first.

    Also, Real has some nice streaming features. They can dynamically change the bitrate of the audio depending on your ability to download it.

    I have no doubt that MP3 or OGG could be used to do the same thing, but consider that Real is a big player in this space.

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    "Derp de derp."
    1. Re:Streaming? by Darren+Winsper · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Yeah, I mean it's not as if there are hundreds of internet radio stations streaming MP3s. And it's not as if the BBC have been experimenting with streaming OGG.

    2. Re:Streaming? by invenustus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      MP3 or OGG COULD be used to do the same thing? Um, have you ever been to mp3.com? They have all kinds of streaming MP3. It plays in Winamp, and I assume it should work in XMMS or whatever Linux distributions are using now. I'd venture that as many people have Winamp as have RealPlayer, especially as RealPlayer gets crappier and crappier.

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    3. Re:Streaming? by NanoGator · · Score: 2

      "Um, have you ever been to mp3.com [mp3.com]?"

      Um, did you catch my comment where I said "but consider that Real is a big player in this space."?

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      "Derp de derp."
    4. Re:Streaming? by glwtta · · Score: 2

      It also has neat features like that "Message Center", which is smart enough that it cannot be disabled, or else silly people like me would miss out on all those "Critical Updates", and we wouldn't want that, now would we?

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    5. Re:Streaming? by invenustus · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I did. I was just saying one shouldn't underestimate the prevalence of streaming MP3, and shouldn't avoid using it on one's site for fear users won't be able to hear it. I guess RealAudio is just the "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM" of streaming content....

      Sorry if it sounded inflammatory. The moderators gave me my whipping. :)

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    6. Re:Streaming? by dorward · · Score: 1
      I'd venture that as many people have Winamp as have RealPlayer, especially as RealPlayer gets crappier and crappier.

      In the above for "people" read "geeks". I doubt that many Joe Average have WinAmp installed, Windows Media player comes with Windows so a lot of people will just use that.

      That's an idea though, I wonder if Nullsoft might consider producing a browser plugin wrapper around WinAmp

    7. Re:Streaming? by stevey · · Score: 1
      MP3 or OGG COULD be used to do the same thing?

      Especially with my opensource MP3 streaming server ...

      Cheap plug I know, but almost OnTopic.

    8. Re:Streaming? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      realplayer is just plain S**T. resourcehog, one company protected s*iT. instead of perfecting their player they make a new UI and add in some more add's 'n sh*t like automatic 'content', then they do it again. content which is even less meaning to me than some south african tv-guides.

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    9. Re:Streaming? by WWWWolf · · Score: 1
      They have all kinds of streaming MP3. It plays in Winamp, and I assume it should work in XMMS or whatever Linux distributions are using now.
      Yeah, shoutcast encoding. and you can roll your own, MP3 and Ogg are both supported, I think.

      Yes, it uses HTTP as transport medium, so it doesn't have all of the nifty features - but if you want just to listen to music, it's *great*.

    10. Re:Streaming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your asterisk key appears to be locked. You appear to be trying to type SHIT repeatedly, but failing. Please take your SHITTY keyboard in for repairs.

    11. Re:Streaming? by cornjones · · Score: 1

      The biggest thing that Real adds is the auto bitrate select. the media is encoded in a certain way and streamed out at a quality dependent on the PLAYERs bandwidth. (assuming sufficient bandwidth at the server of course) this is a very good thing.

      as an example. when I used to be on DSL (god how I hate verizon) I could stream at about 250k. ifilm had WMP versions for 100k and 300k. the 300k wouldn't play. i could use the real stream and get 228k or something very close to my max. this gave me the max quality I could handle.

      for the record. i think real sux too. I have it so I can listen to my old college radio station (and no I don't want anybody else listening so I am not posting it) but, and this was especially true before the glory days of my cable modem, real's bitrate selection is very, very handy when your bandwidth is insufficient for the highest quality.

    12. Re:Streaming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm currently accessing SlashDot from two different public library systems, and neither have sound.

  27. turn your computer into a gay sex machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    this is a new site for gay linuxboys that has hot chat and hardcore videos that you watch right over the net! meet other gay GNU/Fags on the net, find hot sex sites and watch all the xxx movies that you want!

    it's very easy to use and a whole lot of fun....

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  28. SUCK MY SHIT SLASHBOT FAGGOTS by Dick+Veiney · · Score: -1

    We are 138
    In the eyes of tiger

    Do you think we're robot clean
    Does this face look almost mean
    Is it time to be an android not a man
    The pleasantries are gone
    We're stripped of all we were
    In the eyes of tiger

    We are 138
    We are 138, 8, 8, 8

    8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8

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    Ascloun MacGregor at your service, since the year 19XX.
    1. Re:SUCK MY SHIT SLASHBOT FAGGOTS by Strom+Thurmond+(R-SC · · Score: -1

      Oh yeah, Misfits. Nice. Welcome to my friends list.

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      Strom Thurmond; the dean of the US Senate...
      the deadest fart on slashdot.

    2. Re:SUCK MY SHIT SLASHBOT FAGGOTS by Dick+Veiney · · Score: -1

      Attitude, you got some fucking attitude
      I can't believe what you said to me
      You got some attitude
      Inside your feeble brain there's probably a whore
      If you don't shut your mouth
      you're gonna feel the floor
      Attitude, the one you got, oh baby
      Attitude, the one you got, oh baby
      Attitude
      Inside your feeble brain there's probably a whore
      If you don't shut your mouth
      you're gonna feel the floor
      Attitude, you got some fucking attitude
      I can't believe what you said to me
      You got some attitude

      --


      Ascloun MacGregor at your service, since the year 19XX.
  29. Phantom Edit 2001 by Rufus211 · · Score: 3, Informative

    A new Phantom Edit has just been released this month. True it's not by the same guy that did the original (LA) version, but then again the 2nd (NY) version was done by 2 unrelated people in NY, so I guess it makes sense for the 3rd (DC) version to be made by yet an other unrelated person.
    You can find info about it at the phantom edit forum. Also you can download a 2cd VCD of the new version (thanks to Bit Torrent!) from me here.

  30. TROLLING AND CRAPFLOODING FAQ VERSION 1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    This FAQ is designed to give tips on trolling on Slashdot, created in celebration of Blackout Week. It is dedicated to all hard-working trolls and crapflooders.

    How do I crapflood?
    A crapflood is an (intentionally) content-free post. Here are some suggestions for the source of your crapflood -- remember to take care with repetition, odd characters, or repetition, to get past the lameness filter:

    1. your local dictionary file, e.g. /usr/share/dict/words on BSDs
    2. your local real names file, e.g. /usr/share/dict/propernames on BSDs
    3. a copy-paste part of a web page (for extra amusement, copy-paste from Slashdot itself)
    4. a UU-encoded newsgroup file
    5. some output from a lorem ipsum generator
    6. examples of your latest spams, particularly those in Korean
    7. allowing your cat to walk across the keyboard for a few minutes.

    How do I widen pages?
    A method is known and delivered to us by the beautiful Klerck which currently works in Internet Explorer alone. This will therefore ruin the browsing experience of by far the majority of Slashdot readers. Start with the text:

    http://www.eveeieyhfgfcdoosammgwsnboivvbsczxlzgabc /

    then repeat /ooieiabdcdjsvbkeldfogjhiyeeejkagclmieooionoepdk /

    several times, remembering to avoid the compression filter trap by using different random characters.

    How do I karma whore?
    "Karma whoring" is the practice of gaining moderation points for their own sake. It is particularly useful in techniques for defeating the moderation system. Some tips for karma whoring are:

    1. If the site containing the actual article is not on a fast server (i.e. is not a "big site"), re-post the article with subject, "the article -- in case the site gets slashdotted". Make sure this comes as early as possible in the list of comments, to avoid the dreaded (-1, Redundant).
    2. If any article pops up on Microsoft, write a stock two paragraphs explaining why Microsoft is immoral, and why the event described cannot happen with Free Software. I shall not supply text, because tests have shown that moderators are not completely stupid, and can identify duplicate posts (this is actually helpful in defeating the moderation system, see below).
    3. For any article discussing a particular company, state that you worked there, and offer your "inside knowledge". Note that geeks do visit Slashdot, so do not fall into the trap of being too obvious a fraud -- a mistake made by such amateur trolls as PhysicsGenius, who must now suffer a life of instant down-modding.

    How do I defeat the moderation system?
    The moderation system is far from flawless. Here are some ways to devalue it:

    1. If you have moderator points, for goodness sake abuse them! How about moderating up a First Post, a crapflood, or best of all, this very FAQ? It would be a crime to allow such an easily abused system to work.
    2. Copy the text of another person's post, and paste it as a reply to an earlier post. Most people read oldest messages first, so they will consider yours to be the first message, and the later message to be "redundant". This is great for annoying karma whores.

    How do I defeat authentication?
    Don't. The FBI will arrest you for being a terrorist. Instead, make an authoritative nick like CmdrTaco (editor). The majority of people are easily fooled, and will be likely to take notice of and respond to your post, and even moderate it up. Think of it like Lunix Turvalds walking into the room -- people listen to what he has to say, and don't dare disagree.

    How do I defeat the goatse link early warning system?
    Simple -- use one of the many foolishly implemented redirector URLs hosted on well-known sites. Here's an innocuous recent example which pretends to link to the highly informative about.com, but in fact links to a site of the popular 90's lesbian band The Spice Girls: Informative link which will get me karma

    What are some excellent sites to sneakily link to?
    Mostly, you should link to gay porn. If you are reading this FAQ, you already know the URLs, so I don't need to supply them, except to say that it's almost an initiation ceremony in Slashdot trolling to link to goatse.

    Administrativa

    How do I justify the existence of this FAQ?
    Slashdot is full of people who support unlicensed weapons ownership and dissemination of bomb creation documents -- in short, they support freedom, even when that freedom could cause harm. This document should be considered as that very freedom in action. Indeed, to disparage or moderate down this document would be un-American, and the FBI are likely to arrest you for being a terrorist.

    How do I add to or change this FAQ?
    Simply re-post the FAQ on Slashdot, adding an appropriate question, and incrementing the version number by 1. Before doing so, please try to ensure you have the latest version, and remember to keep this post W3C compliant!

    How else can I help with the Troll and Crapflooding Cause?
    Moderate this post up, re-post it, put it in your journal, and upload it on your website. Thanks!

    1. Re:TROLLING AND CRAPFLOODING FAQ VERSION 1 by just4now · · Score: 1

      ...I think I'll wait for Version 2. I've had troubles with V1.0 stuff

  31. The Story of Good Shittin' - Episode 1.1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Mary likes the taste of my jiz. Well, at least that is what she always tells me...but who am I to believe the bitch, anyway? I can't keep that snatch away from another man's cock if my life depended on it. Indeed, she is the horniest fuck a guy could be lucky enough to have. It's no use getting her to be faithful to me - I'll come home and suck her off, only to find her twot scented with some dude's seed. While I am at work, she finds another hobby to get her off. Dildoes, vibrators, her own hands...well, fuck, it just doesn't do it for her. She usually picks a man as her hobby of choice. A different one every day. And, for the present time (a couple of weeks, maybe?) Mary is mine to plug (while another guy gives it to her on the side.) So, I had better tell you about one particular experience with this gal before she runs off and leaves me with no inspiration.

    You wouldn't believe the boner it gives me to think about Mary and the things she does. I picked her up the first time at this local Portland bar I frequent a couple nights a week. I believe it was a Thursday - a typical crowd, and not much going on...well, except for this phenomenal girl sitting alone at the bar a couple of feet away from me. The gorilla in my sans- underwear slacks started to rise as soon as I saw the pouty lips, the dynamite tits, the fucking curves of her ass and thighs, and the legs of a true model - everything this girl had made me want to blow my wad right there. I was pretty much stunned. I figured I was going to need to get some pussy from this she-beast tonight or there would be hell to pay - so I started on over to where she was sitting. I had my Zima in hand, ready to converse...when she whipped her head of beautiful blonde hair my way and stood up. She was a little shorter than me - maybe I was thinking that she would be the perfect height for a sixty-nine. Everything at that moment was just too damn much to comprehend. The unit in my pants was pulsing, my heart was nervous, anxious...and my mind, I just wasn't thinking...

    The look she gave me said it all. She wanted to get rammed by my Jimmy. I didn't say a thing, and neither did she. As was typical for my Thursday night flings at O'Doulings, I grabbed the bitch by the hand with force, and led her to the shitter. I know it sounds tasteless - almost like something out of a 70's orgy, but a real fine bitch like this needs to be power-fucked in a low class joint to show her that she ain't so great. The more I looked at her, the more I realized that she was so beautiful - she needed to fall from grace. I was ready to do it.

    I turned her around. I didn't want to look at her face anymore. Pretty as hell, she made me want to kiss her wonderful mouth. I wanted to ravage this girl till she couldn't stand it anymore, but I knew that I had to achieve something else with the her first. Surprisingly, this tight body felt very eager to please me. As soon as the stall door closed behind us in the men's restroom, I pushed the pussy over the toilet so that her legs were spread nice and wide over the porcelain.

    I said, "O.K. you cunt - You wanna get yer pooper plugged? First, you better put a nice big shit in the toilet for me!"

    She replied, breathing heavily, "What the fuck kind of sicko are you, you asshole?"

    I yelled into her damn ear, "You'd better do what I say or I'm gonna fuck your brown cave dry! Now plop a big turd or you're gonna get it!"

    When she responded, I knew that the first part of the night was going to go as planned.

    "Fine!" she said, "You'd better have a fucking huge dick - my twot's been filled by a lot of guys who look bigger than your sorry-ass bulge."

    Right then and there, a noisy squirt of diarrhea emerged from her rear-hole and right onto my shoe. I wanted to kick the bitch, but I decided that the aroma of her poo was too good to waste on the disgust of a soiled Hush-Puppy. I pulled up her black skirt and saw that my guess was wrong: she wasn't wearing crotchless panties or none at all - yes, she had filled her own pants with butt-cum! Pretty fuckin' sick sight, but just what I need to put me over the edge. I yanked her dripping brown- stained white panties down and dropped them to her knees. I then ripped my dick out of the Calvin's and shoved it into her wet fudge-tunnel. She screamed, so I had to put my hand over her mouth.

    "Hey you fucker! What the fuck do you think you're doing??? My ass is on fire!"

    I whispered into her ear, "I know. Do you want it some more?"

    I thought I was pretty hot shit until she pulled this fucking sweet karate move right then. I mean, in a split-second, this bitch jumped off my pole and had her hands on my excrement- covered member. I didn't have a chance to even gasp. Before I knew it, my dick was encased in one of those black leather bondage straps. Fuck, she looked up at me with disgust and yelled, "If you want my ass, you have to earn it. You like shit, huh? Now's you're chance to show me how you like my 'cooking'."

    She bent me over and instructed me to lick up her wet explosion from a couple of moments ago. I refused, but she whipped the control cord on that fucking black thing on my dick. I realized that if I wanted to walk out of that bathroom a man, I'd have to do what she said. I'd never tasted shit before. Only played with it. I had a girlfriend in high school who fooled everybody. She was a princess on the outside, saludatorian, fucking homecoming queen, little miss perfect. Everyone thought she was so innocent. If they only knew about her - the orgies, rolling in her shit while we fucked, the toys, the other girls, the animals, that ho was something else....but back to Mary. I mean, I guess I liked the smell of shit, the warm feel of a nice hard log as it emerged from a chick's sphincter. That shit always got me off. I couldn't have a decent spank on my dick without thinking of a girl taking a crap. I'd thought about eating it before too, but just never had the guts to do it. It looked like I was going to have to be up to the challenge.

  32. anal sex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    get your anal sex here! (_0_)

  33. Things To Do Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    1. Drop some "L"

    2. See the music

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  34. Boycott by MisterBlister · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I'm boycotting Slashdot right now.

    1. Re:Boycott by DaggertipX · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      boycott: to engage in a concerted refusal to have dealings with (as a person, store, or organization) usually to express disapproval or to force acceptance of certain conditions Read this, realize your an idiot, go away.

    2. Re:Boycott by MisterBlister · · Score: -1, Offtopic

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  35. baaa! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

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  37. Hi Mom! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I say hi to mom now: "Hi Mom!"

  38. realaudio = ac3NET by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    realaudio is nothing more than a netversion (low bandw) of the ac3 codec, its all in the official
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    Thus, it should decompress using ac3 code, (unless real wrapped it in another file format)

  39. The Diaper Princess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Jessica's mother stopped the car and got out. It was a beautiful summer afternoon. Jessica was tired from a long car trip. She was a little sad about leaving her old friends behind. Jessica was from a rich family. Her father owned and ran the family business, but they had to move because her father decided to re-locate the company's headquarters to an area which allowed for more space and privacy. Jessica's mother had heard about a special colony that sounded interesting to her. It was a colony with about twenty homes. All the families had children and all the children were ages twelve and under. None of them were potty trained. Jessica's mother had became friends with Mrs. Pratt who had a girl about Jessica's age. Mrs. Pratt clued her in about how things at the colony were. The parents at the colony did not believe in traditional potty training methods. They believed that a child shouldn't be potty trained until they began puberty. They had many reasons for this which Mrs. Aldag could understand. One major belief was that young children should not have to worry about making it to the bathroom. They conducted studies which proved that most children between the ages of 3 and 12 have frequent accidents because their bladder muscles are not fully developed until they begin puberty. Another belief these parents shared is that having their children in diapers, for whatever reason, made them much more respectful of their elders and made them very well behaved. Of course, all children will misbehave from time to time, but all the children at the colony were angels compared to kids outside of the colony. Mrs. Aldag had hoped this colony would help her daughter. Jessica was very snobby and a big show off. She had a bedwetting problem and had to wear diapers at night. Mrs. Aldag figured switching her to diapers twenty-four seven was worth a try.

    After they were all moved in, it became time for bed. Mrs. Aldag helped her daughter get ready for bed. She got out a size six Pampered Princess for Girls diaper and began diapering her. Jessica was a very pretty and petite ten year old. She had shoulder length blonde hair, was about 4'5 and weighed around 65 pounds. Her diapers were mostly white on the outside with pink leak guards and a pink waistband with cute little bears and bunnies on the taping panel. They were thick and the inside padding was very soft, fluffy, and comfortable. Jessica wore only the best diapers that money could buy.

    Goodnight sweetie. I think you will really like it here, Mrs. Aldag said. Jessica smiled. I hope so Mommy. This place is kind of weird, Jessica said. Mrs. Aldag tucked the covers over her daughter and left the room.

    The next morning, Jessica's diaper was soaked, but it hardly bothered her. She was used to waking up with soaked diapers, and her Pampered Princess diapers did a great job protecting her precious skin. Her mother came in as usual to change her, but this time instead of getting out her panties to wear, she got out another diaper and began diapering her.

    Mom? What are you doing? she asked. Mrs. Aldag continued to put the diaper on her daughter.

    Sweetie, from now on you will be wearing diapers all day and all night. You won't be potty trained until you get a little older. That's how things are at this colony here. All the other kids wear diapers. I think it will be easier for all of us, Mrs. Aldag explained. Jessica didn't say much. She just said 'well, okay I guess that's cool, and allowed her mother to diaper her. Jessica didn't really mind being in diapers. After all, they were very comfy, and if all the other kids wore diapers, she knew she'd be the only one who wore the most fancy and expensive diapers. It would give her something to brag about.

    After breakfast, Jessica decided to go out to the playground and see if there were any other kids around. She saw a few kids playing there. One was a girl who looked to be about six with medium blonde hair and blue eyes. Another was a girl about eleven with light brown hair and green eyes, and the other child was a boy who was about eight with dark brown hair and hazel eyes. She walked over to them.

    Hi. Are you new here? the eleven year old girl asked.

    Yes, we just moved here yesterday. My name is Jessica. I'm ten. My daddy is rich and owns his own company. We had to move here I guess, she said, in her snobby voice.

    Oh, well my name is Katie. I've lived here all my life. I'm eleven. This is Emily, she's six. And this is Josh, my friend. He's eight. You can play with us if you want. We're gonna play tag now, she said.

    That's cool, Jessica said sarcastically. She played with them for a little while until they got sick of tag. They decided to go play on the swings. Emily was walking slowly towards the swings when she said ut oh, and stopped a little. She then began giggling.

    What's with her? Jessica asked.

    Oh nothing, she just wet her diaper, Josh said.

    That's too bad. I don't wet my diaper I just wear it. What kind of diapers do you wear? Jessica asked. Emily wore Pampers for Girls. They were similar to Jessica's diapers but not quite as thick and fancy. Katie wore Luvs. They were a plain, unisex diaper with a crinkly plastic cover. They were nowhere near the same level as Jessica's diapers, but they did the job of absorbing wetness just fine. Josh wore blue Huggies for Boys. All the diapers the children wore were size six, and they were all small enough to fit them.

    Oh, well I wear Pampered Princess diapers. They are the best diapers and only princesses like me get to wear them, she said in a real snobby voice. Katie just looked at her in envy.

    Well pin a rose on your nose, Katie said. Emily frowned. She's mean!

    I am not. You're just jealous cause you don't have Pampered Princess diapers! Jessica yelled back.

    Am not. I like my diapies. They are nice, Emily said. Of course, the children were all jealous of her and wished they had the Pampered Princess diapers, but they didn't admit it.

    Well I'm going back to my house. I'll see you kids later I guess, she said. She strutted back to her house and went into her room to play with her Barbie dolls and other toys.

    After a week or so, Jessica was beginning to get used to the colony. She played with the kids occasionally, and they all became jealous of her. She only tolerated Katie, Emily and Josh and was a real brat towards any of the other children. She hardly ever wet her diapers during the day, because then she'd be just like the other kids and she wanted to be superior to them. She usually held it all in and after she was in bed, she'd completely soak her diaper. Jessica decided to go outside by the playground again and see who she could show off to this time. She played with Katie, Emily, and Josh for a while until Katie began wetting her diaper. All the kids that day were outside just wearing their diapers and t-shirts. It was very warm and sometimes their mothers dressed them this way. Jessica looked at Katie's diaper.

    My gosh you are soaked Katie. Go get that thing changed! Jessica said, as if having a wet diaper was the worst thing in the world.

    Nah its okay, I'm not that wet yet, she said. Jessica just looked at her with this snobbish look on her face. Well, I don't wet my diaper, she said.

    Yes you do, said Emily who also had pee soaking through her diaper. I've seen you get changed in the morning so you must wet, she demanded.

    Well at least I don't go during the day, Jessica said with her nose high in the air. Emily pouted and went back to playing with the other children.

    Oh I gotta go, it's supper time. You kids have fun in your wet diapers,' she said while laughing.

    Shut up. You think you're so great, don't you? Katie said.

    Yeah because I know I am, Jessica said as she ran away towards her house. The other kids made faces at her. As she was out of sight, they began talking.

    Why she such a meany? Emily asked Katie. Katie gave Emily a little hug.

    I don't know Emm. Some kids are just like that. She thinks she's all great because her daddy is rich and they have more money than us. Some people who have lots of money like to show off like that, Katie said. Emily just nodded and went back to playing.

    The next day, Jessica went back out to play. The other kids played with her and Jessica again talked to them like they were peasants and teased them. She was playing on the monkey bars, after being outside for a few hours when all of a sudden she felt something warm trickling into her diaper. She was peeing her diaper without even knowing it. She couldn't believe she was actually peeing her diaper. She never did this during the day. She couldn't help herself and began enjoying the feeling. Something just came over her that she couldn't control. She felt warm and happy between her legs and a smile came across her face. She began to realize why the other kids never seemed to mind when they wet their diapies. Little Emily always seemed to be proud every time she wet hers. Jessica just sat on top of the monkey bars, smiling and enjoying every minute of her wet, warm diaper. My gosh this is great, she thought to herself. She was a little guilty about it at first but that feeling soon went away. Katie was trying to get her attention but Jessica was so tuned out and in her own little world, she didn't hear anything.

    Jessica? Earth to Princess Jessica?? Hello?? Katie said. Jessica still didn't answer so Katie climbed up the monkey bars and shook her a little. Jessica??

    Oh...uhyes?

    Sorry to interrupt your little daydream about being a rich spoiled princess. But your Mommy came by and said you need to go home for supper soon, Katie said.

    Jessica smiled. Uh, Katie? I wasn't dreaming about being a princess. I, um.. I wasI mean.. I am wetting mywetting my diaper! And I love it! She muttered.

    Really? You do? I knew someday you'd come to your senses, Katie said. Emily and Josh both giggled and said she's wetting her diaper!!! Katie began wetting her diaper. Guess what? I'm wetting too! She said.

    Me too! And a lot, Josh said. Emly giggled and looked down at her diaper.

    Ut oh! Me too! Emily said while giggling. Jessica started a chain reaction. All the kids began wetting their diapers and soaked them, but it seemed Jessica was like a water faucet that someone turned on and left it that way. Jessica wet her diaper for several minutes. It was soaking wet, soggy, and mushy. Her smile only got bigger as she felt her warm, saturated diaper and that special feeling between her legs.

    Don't you just love it? Jessica asked Katie.

    Oh yeah. There's nothing better than the feeling of a nice warm, wet diaper! Katie said. Emily giggled put her hand on the front of her diaper. Ooo I'm really wet, she said giggling. Yeah I think we should all go and get changed now, Katie said.

    From that moment on, Jessica forgot all about being a princess. She stopped being so snobby to the children and even gave Katie a little hug.

    I'm sorry I was so mean to you guys. I promise I won't tease you again, okay? she said. The kids all smiled and told her they forgave her. The kids went in to get changed. Jessica ran back home. She wondered what her mother would think about her wetting her diaper and was kind of shy to ask about getting changed.

    Oh, hi sweetie. All ready for supper? Mrs. Aldag asked.

    Yeah, but, Mommy? Jessica asked nervously.

    Yes? Is something wrong?

    No. But uh. I need I need myI need my diaper changed, she said. A big smile came across Mrs. Aldag's face, like she was proud of her daughter for soaking her diaper.

    Really? You wet your diaper? That's great, sweetie. You don't have to be worried about it. It's about time you started wetting during the day like the other kids, sweetie. I'll bet you're making some nice friends here, she said. Jessica sighed happily and nodded. Mrs. Aldag took Jessica upstairs and laid her on her bed. She began taking her soaking wet diaper off.

    Oh My goodness, Jessica, your diaper is extremely wet! I guess you finally decided to allow yourself a good diaper wetting. It's not good to hold it in all day, her mother said. Jessica just smiled and giggled as her mother continued to change her diaper

    Chapter Two: Jessica Begins to Love her Diapers

    Jessica woke up to an extremely wet diaper, as usual. She was used to it. Her mom came in to check on her. I'll bet you're soaked, huh? Jessica nodded her head and smiles.

    That's my girl. Let's get you in a dry diaper and then we can have breakfast, her mom said. She changed Jessica into a dry Pampered Princess diaper and helped her get dressed, then they had breakfast. Jessica wanted to go out to play with her new friends again.

    I'm so glad you've made new friends. I'll bet they're a lot of fun, Mrs. Aldag said. Jessica smiled and nodded. Yup Mommy I like them a lot. I'm glad we came to this place, she said as she gave her mother a hug. Mrs. Aldag smiled and watched as her daughter ran outside to go play. Jessica went back to the playground and instantly found Katie, Josh, Emily, and some other neighborhood kids.

    Hi Katie! How long have you guys been out here? Jessica asked.

    Not long we just got here, Katie said. Emily was wearing nothing but a diaper and t-shirt. It seemed her mother liked to dress her that way, probably because Emily was still very young and her mom thought it was cute. Emily smiled at Jessica and said hello to her.

    Hey there Emily. You keeping dry? she asked, jokingly.

    For now I am but I had a lotta juice for breakfast. I'm gonna be soaked later, Emily said while giggling. Jessica, Katie, and Josh all giggled in unison.

    Let's play tag, Katie said. They all agreed this would be a good idea and began playing tag. They played tag for about an hour and then decided to go play in the sandbox. Emily was building a little sandcastle as she began to fidget and look down at her diaper. Uh oh I think that juice coming out now, she said happily. The kids all watched as the front of her diaper became yellowand then a darker yellow. Emily finally finished peeing after about a minute. She sighed and smiled. All done! she said, keeping a smile on her face the entire time. Jessica smiled and giggled. Wow Emily, you weren't kidding before. You aren't leaking, are you? Emily shook her head. Her diaper wasn't anywhere close to leaking, but it was quite soggy. Emily went back to playing, along with everyone else. Katie began wetting her diaper, but didn't announce it until she was done. Okay now I'm wet too. Now just Jessica and Josh gotta pee and then we can all be wet together, she said while laughing. Jessica tried to pee but didn't feel anything. I don't think I have to go yet. I guess I didn't drink enough for breakfast, she said. Josh didn't have to go either.

    After a while, the kids got sick of the sandbox and decided to play on the swings and monkey bars. They were all swinging when Josh began to slow down, almost coming to a complete stop.

    Is something wrong, Josh? Katie asked.

    No, not really, just that I have to poop really bad, he said. He began getting red in the face and making grunting noises and began filling his diaper.

    Uh oh, Joshie going poopie! Emily said playfully.

    Hey, that makes me have to poop too, Katie said. She turned red in the face, grunted, and felt a big BM push into her diaper. She wasn't done yet, though. She felt more coming. Wow Josh look what you started. I gotta go more, she exclaimed. Josh just smiled and Emily giggled and announced she had to go too! Jessica laughed. Wow, this is like a domino effect. But, II don't gotta go. Sorry to ruin the effect, she said. Emily giggled. It..It's okay. You will soon I sure. Uhhhere comes, she said as she began to push out a load into her diaper. Katie continued to push and grunt and more poop went into her diaper. You could tell her diaper was loaded, even though she was wearing shorts. Her behind bulged out and of course, it smelled. Emily sighed as she finished filling her diaper. The three of them all went back to swinging like nothing was wrong.

    Weeeee this is fun, Katie said.

    Yeah and it even funner doing dis in a poopy diaper, Emily shouted. Jessica laughed and giggled at them, in a playful way. Hehe, we're so silly, she said.

    Silly? Nah. We just like going in our diapers, that's all! Katie said. Jessica nodded. Yeah, I guess you're right. The kids played together for another hour. Jessica had soaked her diaper by this time, but was still not poopy. She had to go, but for some reason she was afraid to go in her diaper. Peeing was no problem, and though the other kids seemed to love being in poopy diapers, she just didn't feel at ease enough to poop her diaper at the time. As the kids were playing, Emily's mother came over to the playground.

    Emily, sweetie, we have to go shopping now. I'll bet you need a diaper change by now too, right? Emily nodded and smiled, proud of the production she made in her diaper.

    Yeah momma, I went poopy and pee pee. A lot mommy! Emily said smugly. Her mother smiled. Aww, that's my good little girl. Let's go get you cleaned up and then off to the store. Say goodbye to your friends, sweetie. Emily said goodbye to the kids and went with her Mom. Jessica decided to play with Katie on the Monkey bars for a while.

    I really like you, Katie. I..I mean that. You're a good friend. Can I come over to your house someday maybe? Jessica asked sweetly.

    Sure Jessica, that would be cool. We could play with all my toys and stuff. There's lots of neat things to do at my house. Wanna come over tomorrow? Katie asked.

    Yeah! That would be great. I'll ask my Mommy. I'm sure she'll say yes. She likes that I'm making friends, Jessica said happily. Katie smiled and nodded. Well, I think I should go get changed now and then I think it's gonna be lunch time. We'll probably be out here later, Katie said.

    Cool, I'll be here after lunch then, Jessica said. She began walking back towards her house as Katie shouted her name. Jessica turned around.

    Heytry to relax Jessyou'll go poopy but you gotta relax. Don't be afraid, she said. Jessica wondered how Katie knew, but didn't question her. She just smiled and said thanks Katie, I will and walked home. When she got home, her mother changed her soggy diaper. Jessica was really beginning to enjoy wearing these diapers. Changing time was beginning to become more and more enjoyable to her.

    There, all dry again, princess. Jessica? I've noticed you haven't gone poopy since you've been put back in diapers. Are you feeling okay? her Mom asked as she taped her new diaper on her.

    Yes I'm okay Mommy. I.. I just don't have to poop yet, that's all, Jessica explained.

    Well, please try to poop today sweetie. Can you try for me?

    Okay Mommy, I'll try, she said. They ate lunch and then watched TV for a while. Jessica went back outside to play for a while. She knew she had poop waiting to come out, but still no matter how hard she tried, nothing happened. Katie tried to get her to relax at the playground and had Jessica try to push it out, but nothing worked.

    Later that night, Jessica's mother was changing her into her night diaper and getting her ready for bed. Sweetie, you still haven't gone poopie. I suggest you try to go poopy tonight as you lie in bed, okay honey? she kindly suggested. Jessica nodded and agreed to try. She wanted so much to poop her diaper and make her mommy happy. As she laid in bed that night, she kept thinking to herself I gotta poopy in my diaperI gotta poopy in my diaper. It's gonna happen. I'm going to poop. She kept saying this over and over in her mind until she drifted off to sleep.

    The next morning, Jessica woke up about an hour earlier than usual. She awake to a strong sensation. She knew immediately what her body was about to do. She had to poop, and this time, there was no stopping it. She sat up and got on all fours and began to push and grunt. She felt a soft, warm mushy substance begin to fill into her diaper. She continued to push and grunt for about five minutes. Her diaper was completely loaded. It stunk awful, but that didn't bother her. She smiled as she felt her mushy, lumpy diaper. As she sat down in it, she smiled even more, totally enjoying the feeling. She wondered to herself why she was so afraid to poop earlier; this was the greatest thing she had ever felt. She enjoyed her poopy diaper for a few minutes until her mother came in to check on her.

    Well, good morning sweetie. Did you sleep good? Ohdo I smell what I think I smell? Your went poopie? Jessica's mom said while smiling.

    Yes Mommy, I did. A lot! she said proudly.

    Aww, that's great honey. You've done what I asked Good girl, she said while rubbing Jessica's diaper. Okay, lets get you changed and ready for breakfast, she said. She happily changed Jessica's extremely poopy filled diaper. Jessica smiled and giggled during the entire change, enjoying every minute of it.

    Chapter Three: Jessica and Katie become close friends

    A few weeks passed. Jessica and Katie started to form a very close bond with each other. They discovered they had a lot in common. They both like many of the same musical groups, they both loved their diapers, they both enjoyed roller skating and they liked the same TV shows. Jessica liked the other children too, but she thought of Katie as her best friend and began hanging out with just her. She'd go to Katie's house often, and Katie would go to Jessica's house. Jessica's parents were so pleased that she was adjusting to the area so well and were very proud of her daughter for being such a nice friend and not being the brat she used to be.

    One night, Jessica was talking on the phone with Katie. She had called her because she was bored and just wanted to talk. Katie decided to ask Jessica over to a sleepover.

    Hey Jesscan I ask you something? Katie asked.

    Yeah, anything. What's up?

    I just wanted to ask if you wanna come over to my house tonight, for a sleepover, Katie said.

    Yeah, that would be great! We'd have lots of fun. I'll ask my mommy, can you hold on? Jessica asked. Katie said sure. Jessica went to ask her mother if she could sleepover.

    That sounds like a great idea, sweetie. Sure, you can go. Just be sure to pack plenty of diapers, she said with a grin on her face.

    Of course, mommy! Thanks! Jessica said as she happily skipped back to her room.

    Hey, I can go! What time should I be there? Jessica asked her friend.

    You can come here for dinner, I already asked my parents. So be here at 5:30, Katie said happily.

    Cool, I'll be there. See you then. Bye, Jessica said. She hung up the phone and instantly got her suitcase and began packing. She packed her diapers and diapering supplies in her diaper bag. It wasn't a babyish looking diaper bag, but more like a backpack.

    Jessi, do you need to be changed before you go? her mother asked. Jessica shook her head. Her diaper was a little wet, but that didn't bother her. She knew she'd get changed when her diaper was full, over at Katie's house. Her mother smiled and hugged and kissed her goodbye and told her to be a good girl. Jessica nodded and left the house. She arrived at Katie's house and rang the bell. Katie answered, wearing just a diaper and t-shirt.

    Hi Jess! Come in. If you want, make yourself more comfy. I never wear much clothes here, just my shirt and diaper. It's a lot easier that way for changing time, too, she said with a smile. Jessica instantly took her pants off and put them in her suitcase. She giggled. Okay, I like that idea, she said. Katie looked at her diaper and smiled.

    I see you're a little wet, huh? Me too. The two girls just giggled and went up to Katie's room to put her things away. They eat dinner shortly after. Katie's parents were very nice and they were very pleased to be meeting one of Katie's new friends. They kept asking Jessica lots of questions, but she didn't mind answering them. They were just being friendly. Katie's mother reminded Jessica that if she needed to be changed at any time to let either her or Katie's dad know, and they'd be happy to change her. After supper, Jessica and Katie went back up to her room to talk.

    So, what you wanna do first? We can watch TV, or play a game, or play video games, or play with dolls, whatever you want. You're my guest tonight, Katie said. Jessica smiled. Let's play a game. Do you like Monopoly Junior? Jessica asked.

    Yeah, I love that game. I'd love to, Katie said. The two girls played the game. It took about an hour to finish. Katie won. Good game, it was very close, Katie said. Jessica nodded. They decided to go see what was on TV and went downstairs. They sat on the couch together and turned on the TV. Rugrats was on, a show they both enjoyed. Cool, let's watch this, Jessica said. After about ten minutes, a commercial came on. Jessica knew she had to pee, but decided to see if Katie had to go too.

    Katie? Do you have to pee?

    Uh, yeah, I think I do. Why?

    Cause I do too, a lot. Wanna pee together? Let's see who goes the most, Jessica said. Katie giggled.

    Yeah, okay! On the count of three. Ready? OnetwoTHREE Katie said as she began concentrating. She relaxed herself and became wetting her diaper, letting the pee flow fast as it began to soak up the padding of her diaper. Jessica began wetting hers, completely enjoying every minute of the sensation of the warm pee trickling down her skin and filling her diaper. Both girls kept a smile on their face. Jessica moved closer to Katie and started to cuddle with her. She was not a lesbian, but enjoyed cuddling with her good friend. Katie didn't mind and cuddled right with her.

    I'mI'm still peeing, Jessica said proudly.

    Wow, you're really filling your diaper, aren't ya? I was done a few seconds ago and my diaper feels pretty soggy now, she said. Jessica was silent for a few more seconds, still peeing and enjoying every moment. She finally finished, and her diaper was completely soaked, and it showed.

    Ahhh, there, I'm done too. I guess I win, she said while giggling. Katie looked at the front of Jessica's diaper and gasped. Wow, you sure are wet! It isn't gonna leak, is it? Katie asked in a concerned tone.

    Nah, these diapers hold a lot. They are able to hold all my night wettings. It is very soggy, though. I guess we should get changed soon, Jessica said.

    Yeah, but we can wait till Rugrats is over. I don't wanna miss it. Besides, a wet diaper feels sooooo good when it's still warm, Katie said. Jessica nodded. The show came back on and the girls cuddled with each other until it ended. By this time, their diapers were beginning to get cold and they decided they'd better go get changed. They both walked into the living room where Katie's parents were.

    Mommy? Katie said.

    Yes, sweetie? You two are wet, right? her mom asked. The girls both nodded. She smiled. No problem. I'll change Jessica and your daddy will change you, okay sweetie? Katie nodded. Okay Jessica. Just lay down on the floor here. I'll go get your diaper bag, Katie's mom said. Jessica lay on the floor and waited as Katie's mother got the diaper bag. She came back down shortly and proceeded to untape her diaper and slide it off. My goodness. This is one full diaper. I thought Katie was a big wetter, she said while smiling. Jessica smiled, yeah, I go a lot sometimes. Katie's mother continued to change Jessica's diaper. She really liked how Katie's mother changed her. She seemed very gentle to her. Not that Jessica's mother didn't do a good job, but Katie's mom just seemed extra gentle and kind during changes. Jessica figured it was because Katie's mother had been changing Katie all of Katie's life, and was more used to it.

    After the girls were changed, they decided to go upstairs to play with toys. After an hour, Katie announced that she had to poop. As long as we're making a game out of when we go in our diapies, do you have to poop, too? Katie asked. Jessica didn't feel like she had to. No, not yet, I don't think.

    It's okay. I'll wait till you have to, then we can go together, she said. Jessica liked that idea. I'm sure I'll have to go soon, she said. They continued to play. After another thirty minutes, Jessica now had to poop. Hey, I gotta go now. On three?

    Okay! Onetwothree! Both girls stood up and hunched over a little and began grunting. Katie began filling her diaper first. She filled it almost to capacity and was very proud of what she had done. She sighed and sat down in it, smiling even more. Oh yeah! I poopied so much, she said. Jessica was still straining and grunting, but finally started to push her BM into her diaper. I'mstillgoin, she said while continuing to grunt and push.

    Oh, wow, you must be doing a real big one! Katie exclaimed. Indeed, Jessica was filling her diaper full. When she had to poop, it always was a full load. Jessica finally announced she was done, and sat down to enjoy her messy diaper. Katie smiled and looked at her diaper. Wow, I can tell you filled that one fuller than me! You win again! Katie said. They both giggled. They stayed in their poopy diapers for several minutes before going to get changed.

    That's a good girl, Jessica, Katie's mother said while removing her diaper. Your mother had told me that you were having some problems pooping your diaper, but now I see it's no problem at all. Jessica smiled. Yeah, I guess I was afraid at first but now it's great. I love my diapers, she said proudly. Katie's mother smiled and finished changing her. The girls decided to go outside for a while to see if any kids were at the playground. Emily was the only kid there. She was happy when she saw Jessica and Katie approaching and began jumping up and down like an excited toddler who was just told she's going to Disney World.

    Jessica! Katie!! You gonna play wif me? Emily asked excitedly. Emily was six, but she acted a little babyish for her age. No one minded. It was cute. Jessica and Katie smiled. Sure, we can play. What do you want to do, Katie asked.

    First I gotta pee! Do you gotta pee? Emily asked.

    No, we don't. We were just changed. Go ahead, Emie. We'll time you! See how fast you can pee your diaper, Jessica said. Emily smiled. Awwite, here I go! Emily said. Jessica started her stopwatch and began counting as Emily peed in her diaper.

    Thirteenfourteenfifteensixteendone yet? Jessica asked. Emily shook her head. Jessica continued to count. Twenty, twenty-one, twenty-two, twenty-three, twen

    I done! Emily interrupted. She felt the front of her diaper and began running around happily. I wets a wot! But no leaky, she said while giggling. Jessica and Katie laughed.

    You wanna keep playing, or get changed? Katie asked her. Emily decided she would play for a while. She too loved the feeling of a freshly soaked diaper. The girls played a few games of tag, then they played on the swings. After a while, it got dark. Katie's mother came outside and told us it was time to come in. Emily's mother came over to the park to look for her daughter.

    Oh, there you are sweetie. It's getting close to bedtime, let's go inside, she said while holding out her hand for Emily to grab on to.

    Okay Mommy. Hey Mommy, guess what! Emily said.

    What, sweetie?

    Mommy, lookie! I wet my diapee! I wet it a wot!! She said happily. Her mother hugged her and kissed her cheek. Aww, that's my girl. Let's go get you changed, she said. Emily waved goodbye to Jessica and Katie and went inside with her mother.

    The girls went inside and got changed into their pajamas. They both wet one more time before bed and got changed and then tucked in to bed. They laid in Katie's room and talked for a few hours. Mostly about diapers and about what they'd do the next day. Jessica was really starting to like this place. After a while, they both grew tired and fell fast asleep. They both woke up the next morning with soaking wet diapers. Jessica had won the game, again, having the wettest diaper.

    I guess I gotta drink more and maybe I can win at this someday before I'm potty trained, Katie said. Jessica giggled. Yeah, drink a lot of Kool-Aid. That works for me, she said.

    1. Re:The Diaper Princess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh my god, that was the biggest waste of 10 minutes *ever*.
      What would possess someone to write something like this?!??!

  40. Here's a transcript by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    What is "Infantilism?"
    Infantilism, if you will excuse the pun, is the urge to be pampered. In some, it is wanting to snuggle close by a maternal lover's side, as if helpless once again in mommy's arms. In others, it is the longing to be literally back in diapers. In still others, it is the delightful humiliation of being just a "Big Baby." Yet others have more of a fetish, a sexual attraction for diapers or other infantile objects. Infantilism is a set of variations with a common theme: Diapers and Babyhood. Typically, an infantilist realizes he is different between the ages of five and fifteen. He realizes that he has a strong desire that most people do not share. Generally, these desires are hidden, kept as a dark secret. He feels that only he, out of all humanity, is like this. It is nearly harmless in and of itself, but he still represses it. He fears disgrace, ridicule as a pervert or a weirdo. He fears being abnormal.

    Infantilism is a paraphilia. Paraphilias are unusual desires that people have. Common examples include masochism and rubber fetishes. Typically, these are focused, deep longings. They are often are life-long. As evidence to the persistence of these urges, many who have them struggle desperately against them for years or decades, and very few, if any, can claim to have become free of them.

    Does it involve Children?
    While these urges involve infantile themes, they differ from Pedophilia. Pedophiles focus on children, while infantilists become infants themselves, or diaper themselves, etc. To illustrate this subject-object distinction, consider dresses. Transvestism (men who love to dress like women) is clearly different from male heterosexuality (men who love women in dresses). One deals with how a person sees himself (the subject) while the other deals with what that person is looking for in someone else (the object).

    What do Infantilists Do?
    Diapers are a central theme in infantilism. However, just as cars are similar but not the same, infantilism has a range of emphasies and applications . Some infantilists are similar to transvestites, except that instead dressing like a woman, they dress as a baby. They shed the cares of adulthood, and assume the role of a baby or small child. They breifly visit with their more cuddly side. Some others will get a mosichistic enjoyment from the loss of control, from being reduced to just a baby. They may get spanked, scolded, or humilated. Still others will use diapers as fetish objects. The balance of these emphasies differs from one infantilist to another.

    Is Infantilism Safe?
    Infantilism is not directly harmful. Biologically, it may be the safest sex around. However, there are indirect psychological and social dangers. "Paraphilia" and "infantilism" aren't part of the common vocabulary. The common word is "pervert." So infantilists often grow up thinking of themselves as perverts. Often, they think that they are the only ones that are so far from "normal." This drives some to social isolation, despair, and sometimes suicide. These are the dangers associated with infantilism, but they are not directly caused by it. The guilt and isolation can be shed. When this happens, most of the danger passes. There are also social risks. For example, a wife may be angry that her husband's infantilism was hidden from her, or hurt because he loves diapers more than her. At the workplace, the disgrace of infantilism could end a career. These indirect dangers are a result of how infantilism is handled, both by our culture, and by ourselves.

  41. Flamebait? by NanoGator · · Score: 1, Redundant

    I'm sorry, I just don't see how what I said was flame bait. Somebody asked why they were using Real Audio instead of MP3, and my answer was the streaming capabilities of Real. If it sounded like I was saying Real was better than MP3 or OGG, then I apologize for not being clearer in what I was saying.

    Let me clarify my point: Real is a dedicated server/streaming solution. It's made by a company that is dedicated to providing that support. Ogg or MP3 is probably superior, but when you make a business decision, the company you're getting it from is a big consideration.

    --
    "Derp de derp."
    1. Re:Flamebait? by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Since when are moderations accurate reflections of the value or content of a post?

      No need to explain yourself, but if you can figure out how to force a moderater to do the same, I'm sure we'd all appreciate it.

    2. Re:Flamebait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's ok, your just slow. Let me simplify it for you.

      Real = BAD
      Real GOOD
      Real Your Mother

    3. Re:Flamebait? by NanoGator · · Score: 2

      "It's ok, your just slow. Let me simplify it for you."

      Err okay. Pardon me for knowing more about Real's delivery system than just their player.

      If you had any idea what it's like making and publishing Real content, then you'd have a higher opinion of Real than that.

      I think their viewer is awful, but the rest of it is pretty cool. Try making some actual content with it, and you will likely agree with me.

      --
      "Derp de derp."
    4. Re:Flamebait? by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 2
      I think their viewer is awful, but the rest of it is pretty cool. Try making some actual content with it, and you will likely agree with me.
      That's the secret of their business model. It's just like the Clams and celebrities: They pamper the content providers, like you and NPR, who think it's really cool tech. Thus much/most content is only available in Real format, driving the public to use their player. The content providers (you/NPR) fail to understand or ignore the downside to your customers, believing Real's player isn't that bad (although you admit it's "awful"). Well, I've got news for you (and NPR): you've just lost some customers. By choosing a non-open format, you've locked a segment out. By choosing Real in particular, you've locked out those of us who read the license agreements and don't care for their (Real's) terms. Just remember, those of us who read the license are generally in a much higher income bracket than the sheeple who don't. Do you really want to alienate the top-end of your market?

      If you don't know what I'm talking about, read the license yourself sometime (you have to download and install the software to read it). They don't put the license for their media creation software on their web site, so I haven't read it, but I assume it doesn't have the same draconian clauses as the player's license, otherwise folks like you and NPR wouldn't dare use it on production computers. You did read the license, didn't you?

      --
      If all this should have a reason, we would be the last to know.
    5. Re:Flamebait? by NanoGator · · Score: 2

      "The content providers (you/NPR) fail to understand or ignore..."

      You're acting like I'm promoting Real. I'm not. My original post was an answer to the question "Why are they using Real Audio format and not MP3?" And I responded that it was probably because of Real's streaming features. Some people mixed that up with me supporting Real. My comments about the content side of it were in response to somebody calling me and idiot because they thought I loved Real's viewer. I was trying to point out there is more to Real than just the viewer.

      You don't have to convince me that Real's player is a nuisance. I never ever said "They are in the right for using Real", nor did I ever say "they should only use Real and no other format!". I'm not proposing that anybody use it. I was simply answering somebody's question 'why?'. As for the user base, NPR is probably assuming that most people are idiots. Real Player is part of nearly every machine out there, whether it's prepackaged when you buy it, or it comes along when you download Netscape. The more advanced computer user probably doesn't have Real, but you can bet Aunt Sally has it since Gateway computers come with it, for example. And that's what NPR wants.

      Should NPR support other formats? Oh I certainly think so. But the issues of 'non-standard' don't mean shit to Aunt Sally. She just wants to hear the program. That's who NPR is going after.

      Please do not confuse my explaining NPR's point of view as support for Real's Viewer. I'm getting really sick of getting flamed for something I did not say. It really bugs me that people are judging me for simply answering a question.

      --
      "Derp de derp."
    6. Re:Flamebait? by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 2
      It really bugs me that people are judging me for simply answering a question.
      Welcome to Slashdot! :-)

      Sorry if I misunderstood your position. From your post (the one I responded to) I thought you were a Real media content producer who liked their tools.

      --
      If all this should have a reason, we would be the last to know.
    7. Re:Flamebait? by NanoGator · · Score: 2

      I'm not a content producer, simply an animator who likes playing with compression tools. Their tools for making .RM files are pretty cool, though overly friendly.

      Their server stuff's pretty cool too. That's not the same as thinking they should be used for anything, though heh. You might laugh at me for this, but for low bit-rate stuff, I usually prefer MS's Media Tools. However, for the high quality stuff, I much prefer Quicktime.

      Understand though, my definition of cool is "Neat! I made a small file and the output's pretty good." I don't mean it like "Neat! I can use this on my site and everybody'll be happy!" I hope that clarifies my stance a bit heh.

      Real was fun to play with, but it lost a bunch of points for it's viewer. Although, if I wanted to be sneaky, I could use their ActiveX control and bypass a bunch of their stuff....

      --
      "Derp de derp."
    8. Re:Flamebait? by p3d0 · · Score: 1

      Dude, if you're going to get into these slugfests, at least have the decency to forego your +1 bonus.

      --
      Patrick Doyle
      I mod down every jackass who puts his moderation policy in his sig. Oh, wait a sec....
    9. Re:Flamebait? by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      I've thought about it, but most of the 'slugfests' show up when I've made a seemingly innocent comment. This whole debate started with somebody asking why they were using .RM instead of .MP3, and I provided a simple answer. My simple answer was mutated by other people into something I didn't say. So I had to clarify myself, which I don't feel is something I should turn off my +1 for.

      I did it this time tho. :P

      --
      "Derp de derp."
    10. Re:Flamebait? by p3d0 · · Score: 1

      Fair enough. I spent enough time on usenet to know you sometimes have to defend yourself. I would just rather not see arguments nested 10-deep when I'm reading at +2. :-)

      --
      Patrick Doyle
      I mod down every jackass who puts his moderation policy in his sig. Oh, wait a sec....
    11. Re:Flamebait? by NanoGator · · Score: 2

      "I would just rather not see arguments nested 10-deep when I'm reading at +2. "

      Hmmm... never thought about that. I'll try to be more considerate in the future. :)

      --
      "Derp de derp."
  42. TROLLING AND CRAPFLOODING FAQ VERSION 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    This FAQ is designed to give tips on trolling on Slashdot, created in celebration of Blackout Week. It is dedicated to all hard-working trolls and crapflooders.

    What are some good trolling tips?
    Trolling is all about making people think you care, and so winding up those who care for real. Think of it like shooting a deer in front of an anti-hunt protester, or eating a Big Mac in front of a vegan. Here are some ideas for making your troll work:

    1. To start off, make sure your post gets noticed -- log in, post early (after 50 +1 comments have been posted to an article, forget it), and make sure to use your +1 bonus.
    2. Ensure your posting history doesn't show a history of dubious posts. Some advise (incorrectly) to stagger your trolls, but this is in fact time wasting and only helps Slashdot in the long run. If you have a doubt, just create a new account, or even post anonymous -- an effective troll, posted early enough, will gain a +1 quickly.
    3. Learn from the marketing droids -- a mixture of truth and lies leaves the potential client without a clue as to which is which. Geeks smell pure bullshit, because it reminds them of their bedroom smell (see also "karma whoring" below).
    4. Follow up. Keep a window open on your troll, and reload to see if people bite. Perhaps post an AC reply agreeing or disagreeing with your own post. Reply to later posts referring to your earlier post to back up your point.
    5. If you get a dreaded (-1, Troll), don't be ashamed to post the well-known, "Mods on Crack!" rant. Explain, rationally, and not as yourself why you agree with the original post, and why it's a fair point.

    How do I crapflood?
    A crapflood is an (intentionally) content-free post. Here are some suggestions for the source of your crapflood -- remember to take care with repetition, odd characters, or repetition, to get past the lameness filter:

    1. your local dictionary file, e.g. /usr/share/dict/words on BSDs
    2. your local real names file, e.g. /usr/share/dict/propernames on BSDs
    3. a copy-paste part of a web page (for extra amusement, copy-paste from Slashdot itself)
    4. a UU-encoded newsgroup file
    5. some output from a lorem ipsum generator
    6. examples of your latest spams, particularly those in Korean
    7. allowing your cat to walk across the keyboard for a few minutes.

    How do I widen pages?
    A method is known and delivered to us by the beautiful Klerck which currently works in Internet Explorer alone. This will therefore ruin the browsing experience of by far the majority of Slashdot readers. Start with the text:

    http://www.eveeieyhfgfcdoosammgwsnboivvbsczxlzgabc /

    then repeat /ooieiabdcdjsvbkeldfogjhiyeeejkagclmieooionoepdk /

    several times, remembering to avoid the compression filter trap by using different random characters.

    How do I karma whore?
    "Karma whoring" is the practice of gaining moderation points for their own sake. It is particularly useful in techniques for defeating the moderation system. Some tips for karma whoring are:

    1. If the site containing the actual article is not on a fast server (i.e. is not a "big site"), re-post the article with subject, "the article -- in case the site gets slashdotted". Make sure this comes as early as possible in the list of comments, to avoid the dreaded (-1, Redundant).
    2. If any article pops up on Microsoft, write a stock two paragraphs explaining why Microsoft is immoral, and why the event described cannot happen with Free Software. I shall not supply text, because tests have shown that moderators are not completely stupid, and can identify duplicate posts (this is actually helpful in defeating the moderation system, see below).
    3. For any article discussing a particular company, state that you worked there, and offer your "inside knowledge". Note that geeks do visit Slashdot, so do not fall into the trap of being too obvious a fraud -- a mistake made by such amateur trolls as PhysicsGenius, who must now suffer a life of instant down-modding.

    How do I defeat the moderation system?
    The moderation system is far from flawless. Here are some ways to devalue it:

    1. If you have moderator points, for goodness sake abuse them! How about moderating up a First Post, a crapflood, or best of all, this very FAQ? It would be a crime to allow such an easily abused system to work.
    2. Copy the text of another person's post, and paste it as a reply to an earlier post. Most people read oldest messages first, so they will consider yours to be the first message, and the later message to be "redundant". This is great for annoying karma whores.

    How do I defeat authentication?
    Don't. The FBI will arrest you for being a terrorist. Instead, make an authoritative nick like CmdrTaco (editor). The majority of people are easily fooled, and will be likely to take notice of and respond to your post, and even moderate it up. Think of it like Lunix Turvalds walking into the room -- people listen to what he has to say, and don't dare disagree.

    How do I defeat the goatse link early warning system?
    Simple -- use one of the many foolishly implemented redirector URLs hosted on well-known sites. Here's an innocuous recent example which pretends to link to the highly informative about.com, but in fact links to a site of the popular 90's lesbian band The Spice Girls: Informative link which will get me karma

    What are some excellent sites to sneakily link to?
    Mostly, you should link to gay porn. If you are reading this FAQ, you already know the URLs, so I don't need to supply them, except to say that it's almost an initiation ceremony in Slashdot trolling to link to goatse.

    Administrativa

    How do I justify the existence of this FAQ?
    Slashdot is full of people who support unlicensed weapons ownership and dissemination of bomb creation documents -- in short, they support freedom, even when that freedom could cause harm. This document should be considered as that very freedom in action. Indeed, to disparage or moderate down this document would be un-American, and the FBI are likely to arrest you for being a terrorist.

    How do I add to or change this FAQ?
    Simply re-post the FAQ on Slashdot, adding an appropriate question, and incrementing the version number by 1. Before doing so, please try to ensure you have the latest version, and remember to keep this post W3C compliant!

    How else can I help with the Troll and Crapflooding Cause?
    Moderate this post up, re-post it, put it in your journal, and upload it on your website. Thanks!

    1. Re:TROLLING AND CRAPFLOODING FAQ VERSION 2 by just4now · · Score: 1

      ...hmmm. maybe version 3? I'll see, maybe it will be supported by someone by then.

  43. Jar jar was trying to be the Ewoks! by PhilJackson · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Me tinks (sorry) that the Ewaks where pretty cool but thats as far as my love for stupid starwarsy animals go. I think Jar Jar should be ground into pod racer fuel in the next episode.... either that or he should be made a Jedi, that'll annoy them! :)

  44. And to think... by hackwrench · · Score: 2, Interesting

    there are laws in place to prevent this sort of thing... at least I think there are and if the current laws aren't up to the challange there are people working overtime to draft new ones. Actually I like the idea of being able to do this, at least for your own purposes as well as the ability to post a patch so you can attach these changes to your own legally bought copy of "The Phantom Menace" without anyone having to shell out extra money to Lucas. That way Lucas still sells 'The Phantom Menace' and new things can be done with the material.

  45. I got this error message today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I got this error message today on www.americasflorist.com:

    Error Details = Error Code : 350
    C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\ihtml\stores\Floristv1\mer chant . html
    iSQL ALIAS="cat" DBNAME="Floristv1" LOGIN="flo1/r18st" SQL="SELECT id, name, code, description FROM category WHERE id=:id AND storeid=1 ORDER BY priority"

  46. diaper_tales! by diaper_tales · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    A few weeks went by after we got back from our vacation. It was 3 weeks before school was to start again. Mom and Tammy were working with me trying to get me to get used to being a normal eight year old again. I had been regressing so much over the summer that I not only had become totally dependant on my diapers, but I was talking baby talk and exhibiting social skills of a toddler. My family didn't mind that I took summer time to be a true baby, but if I was going to be able to function in school I had to get my social skills back up to normal. But I would still be kept in diapers, and they would not force me to potty train. Mommy had talked to me about this for a while. I was sad that I had to "grow up" but I realized that I had to do it. So as the time wound down for school I once again was able to feed myself. They still bathed, dressed, and diapered me, but all the to her things I had to work on improving. By the week before school I was feeding myself, I was talking "normally" again.

    "Wow honey, mommy is so proud of you. You have been such a good girl and cooperated with Daddy and Tammy and I. So we want to take you out to eat and then to a movie ok sweetie?" my mother said to me. "Oh goodie mommy, I am so glad. Thank you for helping me to grow back up for school too." "Your so welcome sweetie."

    We got in the car and Tammy, Mommy, Daddy, and I went to Dairy Queen and I had a hot dog and a cookie dough blizzard. Mommy complimented me on how well I was eating and using my manners and all that good stuff. I felt so happy. I was glad I could be a baby and also be an eight year-old girl too.

    After we ate we went to the movies and I drank lots of soda and I totally soaked my diaper before the movie was half over. Since it was dark in the theater, Tammy just laid me on some empty seats and changed my diaper since it was just a wet one. I think some people noticed but I didn't really care. I sat in mommy's lap for the rest of the movie and she didn't let me have as much soda this time. It didn't really make ay difference, because when we left the theater my diaper was soaked and squishy as ever. As we headed for the car mommy patted my diapered bottom. "You're such a little squishy butt honey." She said teasingly. I giggled at that and smiled at her. Tammy again changed me in the backseat.

    I was so exhausted that I fell asleep on the way home. Daddy carried me into the house and put me in my crib. I vaguely remember Tammy and mommy giving me a kiss goodnight. The next day I woke up it was Sunday. We got ready for church as usual After church we went out to eat with some friends and I made a messy in my diaper. Mommy excused us from the table and took me to the ladies room. She lifted my dress and untapped my disposable diaper and wiped my hiney and powdered me and put another diaper on me. She then got my dress pulled back down and straightened me up. She told me to stay on the changing table while she went into the stall. She had to go poopoo. So after a few minutes I heard the toilet flush and mommy came out and washed her hands. "What a good girl you are. You stayed right where I told you. You're such a good little baby girl." She kissed my forehead and then picked me up and carried me like a little baby out to the table. I always liked it when mommy would pick me up and carry me. But I knew one day I would get to big for her to carry me. But until then, I was very content to be carried.

    We finished eating and drove home. Mom put me down for a nap. Mom and Tammy went shopping for back to school supplies since the next day was the first day of school. They always had sales on stuff at the last minute so they could clear it out. SO that is what they were waiting for. Daddy woke me up from my nap and held me on his recliner chair as he watched football. Shortly their after, mommy and Tammy got back. We had dinner and went back to church that night for the evening service. I went in the other building with the kids my age to do a kid's lesson and some activities. While I was there I had a soaked diaper, so I asked an adult if I could leave to go get my mommy to change me. She walked me to the church and got my mother to come back and change me. After that, I returned and we had a snack. By this time everyone was out of church and socializing in the lobby. I found my mom and showed her what I made during arts and crafts. We then left to come home. Tammy didn't go with us because she was at home figuring out what she wanted to wear to her first day of high school. When we got home Tammy was on the phone with her friend Julie. They were coordinating their outfits for the first day of school. I thought this seemed silly.

    Mommy came into my room and helped me get my clothes ready for the next day as well. "Honey, are you excited about being third grade?" "Yes mommy I am. I can't wait to see all my friends again at school and to learn new stuff." Mom smiled at me and then left the room. About an hour later she came up and told me it was time for bed. "Why isn't Tammy gonna get me ready for bed tonight mommy?" "She is still busy getting some last minute things together for tomorrow honey. She'll come in and kiss you goodnight though, Ok?" I nodded. Mom helped me brush my teeth and get my diaper changed and got me in my jammies and all tucked in. A few minutes later Tammy came in and stood by the crib next to me. "Hi baby girl. So are you all ready for your big day tomorrow?" I nodded. "Aww. I am kinda nervous about high school, but I will be ok, and so will you Tiffy." "I love you Tammy." "Aww honey, I love you too!" She leaned down and kissed my forehead and stood there looking at me for a while. "You are just so cute and adorable. Now you sleep tight ok?" "otay me will."

    Later on that night I awoke in the middle of the night. My diaper wasn't soaked, just a little wet. I lay their for a while thinking about school. I started worrying about my teacher, and the kids at school and everything. I heard someone in the bathroom then I saw Tammy walk past my door to go to her room.

    "Tammy Tammy", I whispered. She just leaned back in the doorway. "What is it Tiffy?" "Um I scared Tammy." She came into the room and picked me up out of my crib and held me. "Oh baby there is nothing to be afraid of. Shhh. Go to sleep little one." I started to cry and was sobbing with my head on her shoulder. "Oh baby, do you wanna come sleep with me tonight, hmm?" I looked up at her and nodded. "Ok let's go then." She picked up my blankie and my teddy bear from my crib and carried me and the blanket and the bear into her room. She laid me on her bed, wrapped me in the blanket, and gently placed the soft fluffy teddy bear on me so I could hug him. She then closed her door and crawled into bed with me. She reached out and held onto me, and my bear. She softly talked to me until I was fast asleep.

    The next morning we awoke early. Tammy nudged me to wake up. "Come on baby your diapers are all squishy and wetie. Let's go get you changed ok." She picked me up and carried me back over to my room and laid me on the changing table and diapered and dressed me for school. Then from their mommy took me and got me some breakfast while Tammy was getting ready for school.

    Tammy left while I was sitting on the floor watching TV. "Bye Tiffy, have a good day ok?" "Ok Tam Tam, you too. Oh, and thank you for being there for me last night when I was scared. I love you. Bye!" "Bye!" she said as she closed the door behind her.

    A few minutes later I got up and got my backpack. Mom kissed me goodbye for the day. I walked down the street to the bus stop. "Hi Tiffany!" Laura shouted when she saw me from a distance. I quickly ran to where they were. "Hi Emily." I said as I set my books down next to me while waiting for the bus. "So are you all ready for third grade" Laura nodded her head and Emily said "Yep I am!" I was so glad to be with my two best friends. Even though I had seen them many times in the summer, it was good to go back to school together. I felt better now that I was with them. I wasn't nearly as worried as I had been the night before.

    The bus arrived and we all got on and sat down in the back. This was our usual seat. Usually the bad kids would sit at the back of the bus, but since I usually had wet or poopy diapers, they all steered clear of the back seats. So My friends and I had the back to ourselves. That was fine by us. We got to school a while later. We went to our new classroom and sat down for our first class. Our third grade teacher introduced herself and we shared about what we did all summer.

    When my turn came I was a bit shy. "So Tiffany, what did you do that was fun this summer?" the teacher asked. "Well, I went on vacation and saw my family. I played with my cousins and went swimming. I stayed at home I played with all my friends. And I got to be a baby all summer too." "A baby How do you mean Tiffany?", the teacher asked with a puzzled look on her face. "Well, my mommy and daddy and my big sister, Tammy, let me be a baby. That's why I wear diapers see." I lifted up my skirt to show off my cute diapers. The kids laughed for a moment but most of them knew about me already. "Well, that sounds very interesting Tiffany. I'm sure you had allot of fun."

    After everyone had introduced themselves and talked about how their summer was the teacher assigned us our books. Then by this time, it was recess! As I was sitting with my friends at morning recess, my teacher asked to speak to me. I went over to a less crowded area to talk to her. "I got the note from your mommy about your diapers, so just remember if you need to get changed just ask to go potty and go to the nurse's office to get changed ok sweetheart?" "Ok." I started to walk back to where my friends were when she called out "Tiffany" I turned toward her and paused a moment. "You do remember me right? I came over to your house to visit with your mommy and some friends one night a while back?" Then I remembered that she was the teacher that had hugged me when I had my diaper on and patted my crinkly bottom. "Yes, I remember you now." "Well you sure are a cute little baby when you're all dressed up in your jammies and diapers." I blushed and said thanks. She just smiled at me as I went back to my friends to play for the remainder of recess.

    After recess we went back to class and went over the rules and boring stuff like that. It seemed like forever until lunchtime. Finally it came. I went to go get changed. As usual, my friends saved me a seat so that when I got back from my diaper change, I could sit with them. "hi." I said as I set my tray on the table and sat down next to Emily and across from Laura and another girl. "Hi what's your name?" I asked the new girl. "My name is Stacey. What's yours?" "I'm Tiffany, and I guess you already met Laura & Emily. "It's nice to meet you. Um Can I ask you a question?" "Sure, go for it." "Why do you wear diapers?" I paused for a moment thinking of what to say. "Well, I have always wanted to be a baby, and I wear diapers at night because I wet the bed. My mom found something I wrote n my diary towards the end of school last year. It was about how I wished I could be a baby. Well I was playing house with Emily & Laura one day and I got my mom to put me in diapers. Then that night she just let me stay in them and let me be a baby girl ever since." "Wow that's kinda weird! But, if you like that, then I am happy for you." "Thanks. I am glad you are cool with it." We finished eating lunch and talking and then it was time to go back to class.

    The afternoon classes went faster than I thought they would. I guess it was because we were learning new stuff and it was very interesting to me. Finally the bell rang and we left to go catch our busses. We boarded the bus and took our seats. Just like clockwork, I had a poopy diaper on the way home. But it was not to bad of a mess. And we were almost to our bus stop. Some kids giggled as Emily & Laura & I walked down the isle to exit the bus. By this point we were used to the usual ridicule. We walked down the street together and then stopped at my house and talked in my front yard for a couple minutes.

    "Girls, would you like to come in for a moment and have something to drink?" My mother said as she stood out on the porch. "Yes please!" we all said as we ran like a pack of horses up to the porch and in the door to the kitchen. Mom served us all drinks and came over to me and kissed me on the cheek and patted my bottom. "Oh my, looks like little Tiffany has a poopoo diaper. Come on baby, let's get you changed. We'll be right back girls." Mom took me to my room and changed me and I came out in my baby clothes and diaper. My drink was in a bottle instead of a cup like the other girls. When my mom wasn't looking I unscrewed the nipple and gulped it down. When she came back in the room she was shocked. "My goodness darling, you must have been one thirsty baby!" We all laughed and then Emily & Laura had to go home. I was tired and mommy laid me down in my crib for a short little nap before dinner.

    Tammy came home while I was sleeping. This year her high school was within walking distance, so she walked home after school instead of catching a ride with daddy. She gently woke me for dinner and asked me how my day was. During dinner Tammy and I talked to mom and dad about how our day at school went. All Tammy was talking about was how cute some boy was that sat in front of her in history class. I still thought boys were yucky. Tammy smiled at me. You wait, one day you'll change your mind Tiffy.

    After dinner Tammy worked on a homework assignment. "How come you got homework your first day, were you bad or something?" I asked with a puzzled look. "No silly, when you get to high school they expect you to do more work." "Me never wanna go high school Tammy, me go to pre-school!" "Oh you silly baby hush up." She said as she swatted my diapered bottom playfully. I tackled her and tried to tickle her. She was to big for me and soon she had me on the floor and tickled me. "I went tinkle sin my diaper!" I shouted. She stopped tickling me. "Haha I made baby wet her diaper I made baby wet her diaper" "No you didn't!" "Yes I did you silly tinkle diaper baby!" She got up and ran and I tried to chase her but I was waddling in my diapers and I couldn't keep up. Then she snuck around behind me and picked me up and held me. "I was just teasing you, you silly little baby." She kissed my forehead and my cheek and then my nose and my chin. "Eww! Tammy, that's yucky! Stop!" Just then mom came in. "What are you two up to now?" "We are just playing mommy." I said as I smiled. "Well ok but you two need to simmer down. It's close to Tiffany's bedtime and we don't need her all wound up ok Tammy." "Yes Mom." Tammy put me down and I watched TV in the living room while Tammy finished her assignment.

    "Tiffany It's time for bed honey." Mommy said as she got up off the couch. "Let's go honey" "No mommy, I wanna watch TV!" "No, It's a school night, you know you can't stay up late on school nights. Now come on Tiffy, let's go." I reluctantly got up and fallowed her into the bathroom. She brushed my teeth and then took my to my room got my diapers changed and put me in my jammies. She tucked me in. "I miss Tammy tucking me in." "oh honey, you will have to get used to it. Now Tammy is in high school and she will be busier. But she will come in and kiss you goodnight. Ok sweetie?" "No. I don't like high school. It take my Tam Tam away from me. I not like it at all mommy." I started to cry. Tammy came in the room. "What's the matter Tiffany?" "She's upset because you are busy with school stuff. I think she's afraid that you wont take time to play with her and care for her like you used to honey." "Oh Tiffany, that's not true. I always have time for you. Mom, do you mind, I'll go ahead and tuck her in for the night and you can go read the paper. I need to talk to her. Is that ok?" "Oh sure Tammy, go ahead. Night Tiffany." She said as she exited my room.

    Tammy picked me up out of my crib and sat on a chair next to my changing table and held me in her lap. "Now what's all this silly talk about me not playing with you and taking care of you anymore? You know better than that Tiffany. I love you. You're my little baby sister. I will always take care of you. And don't you forget it either ok. Now come on, cheer up. I am not going anywhere. Ok?" "Ok." I said as I sniffled. "Aww baby, here let me wipe away your tears." She wiped my tears from my cheeks with her t-shirt. She held me there in her lap and let me lay my head on her shoulder and she hummed quietly to me and patted my diapered bottom and rocked me slowly side to side. I fell asleep in her arms and she gently laid me in my crib. I never slept so good as I did that night. Tammy put to rest all my fears of a new year at school. She was always good at making me feel better. I hoped she understood how much I loved her too.

  47. Variable Bit Rates... by NanoGator · · Score: 2

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't HTTP streaming mean that if you fall under the required bitrate that you'll get broken up music?

    If so, does M3u have server support for changing bitrates during a change in net conditions?

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    1. Re:Variable Bit Rates... by discstickers · · Score: 1

      I haven't played too much with m3u's over slow connections, but it does buffer before the stream is started.

      It doesn't do chaning bitrates, since it's just streaming the mp3 information.

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    2. Re:Variable Bit Rates... by qnonsense · · Score: 1

      Buffering doesn't cut it the same way that dynamically changing bitrates to account for changing net conditions.

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  48. diaper_tales! by diaper_tales · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    The next morning I woke up and Tammy was getting ready to leave for school. She came in and gave me a hug and kiss goodbye and then mom came in to change me. I was soaked as usual. I had my breakfast and then went down the street to catch the bus.

    I stood there for a while talking to my friends. The bus came late and we even got to school late. Our teacher knew we would be late due to the bus being late. We came into the classroom and took our seats. We were studying reading. I had to read out loud, which I hated to do. Finally morning recess came. I stopped by the nurse's office for a quick change since I was wet. I then rejoined my friends outside.

    We were playing tag and running around the school yard. When I came up to Emily to tag her I noticed that her pants were all wet. "Um Emily, I think you wet yourself." "Oh no, not again." she said as she started to cry. "Oh its ok, don't cry, come on I'll walk with you to the office and you can call your mom and get dry clothes ok. I asked the teacher if I could go with Emily to the office. She said I could so I walked with her.

    The secretary saw that Emily was wet and then directed us back to a room where they had some extra clothes for other kids that had accidents. Emily was sort of embarrassed but I comforted her and told her everything would be ok. By the time she got changed we had to go back to class.

    Later on at lunch a lot of kids were making fun of her. She started to cry but Laura and I were sticking up for her. "Leave her alone you big ugly jerk!" I yelled at one boy who kept teasing her. They backed off a little bit but still some of them would make sly comments to her. "Don't worry Emily, it's gonna be ok. They are just being mean. Laura and I love you and we are your bestest friends." I gave her another hug. We then went back to the classroom for our afternoon classes.

    Emily raised her hand in the middle of social studies and asked to go to the restroom. When she stood up to leave the room all of a sudden she started to pee in her pants. She started crying again. The teacher took her to the office this time and she came back in yet another set of dry clothes. This time the kids were really being mean to her. "Emily needs diapers like Tiffany!", one boy kept saying. He was always being mean to everyone. I told him to shut up and he started teasing me about my diapers. I didn't really care though because I was more concerned for Emily. I wondered why she was having so many accidents lately.

    The bell finally rang and we all got up and went to the bus. Emily, Laura, and I sat at our usual seat. "Hey Emily?" "Yeah?" "Um what's wrong? I mean you have been going potty in your pants a lot lately. Is something bothering you? You wanna talk about it. Laura and I are always here for you. You know we love you." We both turned inward toward Emily who was sitting in the middle. I was on the isle seat this time. We both put an arm around her. She started to cry. She told us that her parents put her in diapers at night because she also started wetting the bed, like me. She said that she also has had a lot of day time accidents lately too. She told us that if her mom found out about what happened at school that she'd probably have to be in diapers all day too. I told her that it would be ok if she was. She said she kind of liked them a little, but was to embarrassed to wear them to school. She was afraid that the kids would really tease her a lot. I just kept telling her that things would be ok and that they teased me at first but they don't do it nearly as much anymore. Laura even liked diapers and wore them when she came over to play at my house sometimes. "Emily, its ok , diapers feel good, I mean I don't wear them, but I have a few times at Tiffany's house. It's ok if you wear diapers. It is cool with me."

    Finally we got Emily to stop crying. We walked her up the road to her house today. Her mom was waiting for her on the porch. She knew what had happened at school and was mad at Emily. She told us to go on home and that she needed to talk to Emily. Laura and I left and went to our houses. I was worried about Emily though. Her mom was nice usually, but she seemed upset about this.

    "So how was your day sweetie?" my mom asked when I came in the door. "oh it was ok I guess." "Is something bothering you honey?" "Um, well yeah kinda. Emily wet her pants today at school twice. And she told me that she had other accidents at home too. Her mommy is gonna put her in diapers now, like me. But she is scared because she doesn't want the kids at school to tease her. But Laura and I made her feel better." "Aww, well maybe I will go talk to her mommy tonight and see if I can be of any help. I am sure she's just worried about Emily" "Yeah but she seemed mad though mommy" "Well sometimes people get mad when they are worried about something. I am sure she's not mad at Emily." "Yeah you're right mommy." "So how's this diaper doing" mommy said as she patted my diaper and put her hand on the front side. "Do you have to go poopy? Usually you do a load on the way home from school, but you only wet this time." "Yeah um, I do have to go poo. I guess I was to busy talking with Emily to take time to do it." Oh ok baby, well go sit down and watch cartoons and call me when your diaper is messy ok?" "Ok mommy." I sat down at the TV and laid back on my bean bag and relaxed.

    After a while I felt the need to go poo, so I began to fill my diaper. I fell asleep in my poopy diaper and mom nudged me awake later. "Honey, you were supposed to come get me when you did a messy in your diaper." "Oh I sowwy mommy I fell asleep." "It's ok little one. Come on let's go get you changed." Mom carried me to my room and changed my diaper. Soon after that Tammy got home.

    "Hey Tiffany, hi mom.", She said as she threw her books down on the floor in the living room. "Hey sweetie, how was school today?" "Oh it was a drag. My math teacher sucks." "Now Tammy, be nice." "oh ok, but still, he is such a jerk. I got a 75 on my stupid math quiz." "Well dear, maybe if you would have studied more you would have gotten a better grade." "Yeah, I guess. I gotta pee, I'll be back in a little while."

    A few minutes later she came out of the bathroom. She sat on the couch and talked to me a bit while mom was making dinner. Dad soon came home and we ate dinner. After dinner Tammy was busy doing her homework. I was playing with my toys. I had already finished my home work in class. Since I was in 3'rd grade, I didn't really have that much.

    I walked into Tammy's room. "Hey Tiffy, what's up?" "Oh nothing. I am just worried about Emily." "What's wrong with Emily?" "Well she's been wetting her pants a lot lately and her mommy is worried about her. I am too." "Oh I'm sure its just a phase she's going through or something. It will be ok Tiffy." "Me hope so. Hey Tammy, can you play with me?" "In a little while, I need to finis 10 more math problems and then I will be done my homework. Ok?" "Otay Tam Tam." I left the room and as I was walking down the hall I stopped for a moment and tinkled in my diaper. "Do you need changing yet?" I was startled, mom had snuck up behind me. "I saw you going potty in your diaper just now. Do you need changing yet?" I blushed. "I will take that as a yes. Come on, lets go." She put me on the changing table and changed me.

    About 15 minutes later Tammy came into my room. "You ready to play? I nodded and then I got a game out. "First, do you need to be changed?" "No, mommy just changed me a while ago." "Oh ok cool. So what are we playing tonight?" "Candy Land!" I smiled at Tammy. "Again? We played that 3 times this week." "Yeah but me like this game." I put on my cute little irresistible face. "Oh ok then, we will play Candy Land." Tammy got the game out and set it up. We played for a while until mom came in and told me it was bedtime. Tammy got me ready for bed and tucked me in.

    "Go to sleep now ok Tiffany." Tammy said as she finished reading me a bed time story. Mom came in and kissed me goodnight too. They both left the room and closed the door. I didn't fall asleep right away. I was still thinking about Emily. I finally wore myself out from thinking and fell asleep. I was hugging my teddy bear tightly.

    Tammy woke me up the next morning. I was very sleepy. "Wake up sleepy head." She said while picking me up out of my crib and checking my diapers. "Well someone went potty in there dipees last night huh?" I smiled at her. She changed me and then left for school. Mom dressed me and then I had breakfast.

    As I walked down the street to the bus stop, I saw some pretty flowers growing along side the road. I picked a few of them and when I got to the bus stop I gave them to Emily. "Aww thanks! That is so sweet of you." Laura grinned at me and jokingly asked where her flowers were. "Well go potty in your pants and I'll give you flowers too." "Yeah right, I don't think so Tiffany." She giggled. "So how did it go with your mom last night Emily?" "Um well" Emily blushed and then grinned as she lifted her skirt a bit and let Laura and I see her cute little diapers. "Oh my goodness! You are in diapers?" I whispered. "Yeppers. My mommy said I should wear diapers and that I can get changed with you at the nurse's office. Your mommy came to my house last night and talked with my mom for a while. " "Cool!" I said. "Aren't you embarrassed though?" Laura asked her. "Well sort of, but my mommy said that since I'm not the only kid in my class in diapers that they probably won't tease me to much. And besides I got my real friends right here." She gave Laura and I a hug.

    The bus came, we got on and took our seats. We continued to talk on the way to school about everything. I told Emily that I was worried about her all last night. I was glad that everything worked out ok for her though. When we got to school Emily took a bag by the nurse's office which had a few diapers that her mom had sent along with her. When she came to the class and sat down in front of me I leaned forward and whispered in her ear. "Hey crinkle butt." She turned around and blushed. I just smiled at her. She knew I was just teasing her in a playful way. Since I was in diapers she didn't mind if I joked with her. Some kids noticed her crinkling sound as well and made fun of her but the teacher stopped them.

    At lunch we both went to the nurse's office. "Wow now there is two cute little babies with diapers to be changed." Mrs. Peters jokingly said. "So who is going first?" "Let Emily go, since she's new to this." I said. So Emily hopped up on the table and got changed. Then I did as well. We went to lunch and got through the line and sat with Laura. "Well I might as well get diapers too, so I can be late for lunch. It's weird sitting here by myself while you two go get changed." We both laughed. We ate and then went outside for a while and then went back to class.

    The afternoon dragged on. I was sort of board with what we were studying. I kept daydreaming. "Tiffany, do you know the answer to question seven?", the teacher asked. I was not really paying attention. "Um, well I, uh, I think" "Tiffany, you need to pay attention and stop daydreaming ok?" "Ok." Finally the bell rang and we went out to catch the bus home. "I'm wet Tiffany." "me too Emily." "I gotta go pee." Laura said as she ran from the bus area to the girls room and then rejoined us. Just then I wet my diaper more. "You just wet again didn't you Tiffany?" Emily asked. "Yeah." Emily whispered in my ear, "I really gotta go number two, I don't know if I can wait till we get home." "Oh it's ok, I've done that plenty of times, they will probably all think it's me" We both laughed.

    Finally the bus got to our stop and we got off. Emily stopped for a moment as we walked down the street. "What are you doing?" Laura asked. "You don't wanna know." I smiled at her. "You're going poopy in your diapers aren't you?" "Yeah Tiffany, How did you know? "You silly, I know because I do it all the time, duh." Laura just shook her head. A moment later Emily was done and we continued to walk to our homes.

    I got home and was changed out of my wet diaper and I took a nap because I was tired. We ate dinner after Tammy and daddy got home. As usual Tammy was working on her homework. I just played a little, did some work, and called Laura and Emily on 3-way for a while. Mom came in and got me ready for bed around nine. Tammy came in to kiss me goodnight and daddy came in after her. I fell right to sleep. I don't know why I was so tired, but I was, and so I slept very soundly and had a good night sleep.

  49. You don't speak for most of us by maggard · · Score: 1, Funny
    I think I speak for most of us when I ask...
    What the hell is "the Phantom Edit 1.1"?
    We call this "The World Wide Web". The part of it you're on is "News for Nerds", most of whom are perfectly conversant with the subject under discussion. If you're not then might we guide you to the website referenced and suggest you take a look at the "links" it contains - they do contain explanations. Or if you're really desperate perhaps someone would acquaint you with these things called "search engines".

    Or perhaps we should chew your food for you and wipe your ass too?

    Don't bother to respond; someone as clueless or self-indulgent as you is very unlikely to have anything useful or interesting to contribute here.

    This is not a troll, it is a perfectly reasonable response to a perfectly useless posting. "dangermouse" could have invested the ame effort into getting an answer as they did whining about not knowing and for somebody to puhlease spoonfeed them.

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    1. Re:You don't speak for most of us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You said:
      >We call this "The World Wide Web". The part of it
      >you're on is "News for Nerds", most of whom are
      >perfectly conversant with the subject under
      >discussion. If you're not then might we guide you
      >to the website referenced and suggest you take a
      >look at the "links" it contains - they do contain
      >explanations. Or if you're really desperate
      >perhaps someone would acquaint you with these
      >things called "search engines".

      >Or perhaps we should chew your food for you and
      >wipe your ass too?

      >Don't bother to respond; someone as clueless or
      >self-indulgent as you is very unlikely to have
      >anything useful or interesting to contribute
      >here.

      >This is not a troll, it is a perfectly reasonable
      >response to a perfectly useless posting.
      >"dangermouse" could have invested the ame effort
      >into getting an answer as they did whining about
      >not knowing and for somebody to puhlease
      >spoonfeed them."

      Don't be a dick man. Oh wait, too late. it would have been easier to have just said:

      >It's "Star Wars Episode I.I - The Phantom Edit".
      >In other words, the first revision to "Star Wars
      >Episode I - The Phantom Menace". - Rob

      Even if this wasn't the best answer at least Rob didn't attack the guy. Remember, only, be an ass when it's easier to be an ass.

      -Steve

    2. Re:You don't speak for most of us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boo fucking hoo, so he asked someone to explain what it was, I bet you more people had no idea than actually did. And what do you do? You whine and complain that he's whining and complaining, it makes you no better than him.

      Why bother coming to Slashdot? It goes and it sorts through all the dreck and spoon feeds it to you. There's this thing called search engines, you can use them yourself to find out what's available on the web, you don't need to come here.

      This is not a troll, it is a perfectly reasonable (albeit flamebait) response to a useless and equally flamebait posting. (Even more useless than its parent I might add.)

      Oh, and this is my nom-de-plume jackass.

    3. Re:You don't speak for most of us by dangermouse · · Score: 1
      Dear prick,

      I am writing to express my sincerest thanks and deepest gratitude. Your wry wit and caustic tongue are a true credit to the wad community, and an inspiration to us all.

      Nevermore shall we labour under the delusion that provision of background information when initiating a public discussion is common courtesy; you have shown us that it is a mark of weakness to include some parenthetical briefly describing the subject of the discussion, and a mark of intellectual laziness to enquire of one's fellow conversants as to the nature of said subject. Foolish have we been to "hyperlink" to relevant information in the past, when the true path to enlightened discussion was so clearly independent research conducted in isolation from the forum.

      It is readily apparent, now that you have laid it before our prior-unseeing eyes, that the basis of a discussion must under no circumstances itself be given voice, lest that demon head of redundancy be reared, or the sometime ignorant robbed of the opportunity for independent discovery.

      Again must I iterate my gratitude to you. I can only begin to imagine the chore and bother it must be to you, to set down the great and important tasks with which you are charged, to descend from the realm of higher reasoning and consuming thought to elucidate for we the hoi polloi the basic precepts of a public forum. I hope to assure you that your cherished time was well disposed, and that our enlightenment was worth the inconvenience and neglect of your own affairs. Our thanks, and our neverending appreciation and admiration, are yours.

      With Greatest Sincerity,
      dangermouse

    4. Re:You don't speak for most of us by maggard · · Score: 2
      You come across a /. posting regarding a topic you are unfamilier with.

      You:

      1. Immediately post demanding to know what this is all about, somebody explain it to you, blah blah blah.
      2. Follow the links included, invest 60 seconds figuring out the topic, then post your findings as a service to others.
      Which did you do? What does that make you?

      Dismissed.

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      I don't read ACs: If a post isn't worth so much as a nom de plume to its author then I wont bother either.
  50. diaper_tales! by diaper_tales · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    A few minutes later she got back. We went to recess and then after recess we had our art class which was only 30 minutes. Emily and I made cards for Laura. Our teacher thought it was a very nice thing to do. We went to lunch and got our food and sat down. "Wow, the one day that we didn't have to get our diapers changed before lunch, is the one day Laura isn't here. Isn't that ironic?" "Yeah, especially since she's always complaining that she has to sit alone and wait for us." We both giggled and then continued to eat.

    After lunch we went to the auditorium because they had a special speaker come in to talk to us about drugs. It was really boring and so Emily and I talked quietly to each other as we sat in the back of the auditorium. Our teacher told us to be quiet several times but after a few minutes we were at it again. Finally it was over. We went to our classroom. We only had 30 minutes left so the teacher gave us free time. I finished a few assignments so I wouldn't have to do them at home later tonight. I also remembered that tonight was the first night of the revival meetings at church. I asked Emily to come with me. She said she'd ask her mommy.

    Finally the bell rang and we got on the bus and went home. We were quieter than usual. I guess because we talked each other's ears off during the "Just Say No To Drugs" thingy. I walked with Emily to her house to see if she could come with me tonight. Her mom said yes. She changed her, and gave her a bag with some extra diapers and let her come home with me. We got to my house. "Hey mom, Emily is gonna go with us to the revival meeting tonight at church." "Oh great, I was hoping you would invite someone. "Where's Laura, did you invite her?" "No mommy, she's sick. She wasn't even at school today." "Oh I'm sorry to hear that." "But we made her get well cards in art class today. Hey mommy, can Emily and I take them over to her before dinner? Please?" "Oh ok, but don't take to long, I'm sure if she's sick she doesn't want to talk to long ok girls?" "ok mommy."

    We walked over to Laura's house and rang the doorbell. A moment later her mom came out. "Hi girls. How are you?" We both said we were good and that we also wanted to give Laura the cards we made in school. She invited us in. Laura was laying on the couch. "Hi." She said faintly. "Wow you really do look sick. I hope you get better soon." I said. "Yeah me too." Emily said as she handed Laura her card. Laura's face lit up and she smiled as she read it. I also gave her mine. "Thank you SO much! I would hug you but I don't want you to get what I have." "Oh it's ok, you can hug us later." We all laughed. "Well we will go and let you rest. We are going to revival at church tonight. But don't worry, it will be all the way through Sunday, so if you get better, we will bring you with us then. Ok?" Laura nodded. She thanked us again as we left. Her mother came outside just as we were a heading down the street. "Girls!" We turned to look at her. "Yes?" "That was very kind of you to make those cards for Laura. I am sure that made her feel better." "Your welcome." We both said as we turned and continued on the way back to my house.

    We got in the door. Mom had ordered pizza and it arrived shortly after Tammy got home. "Hey Emily, are you coming with us tonight for revival?" "Yep, I sure am." "Cool." "We're having pizza honey. Can you do me a favor?" "Sure mom." "Go change both of the girls and wash up and Ill get the plates and drinks and all that ready ok?" "Sure Come on you two. Let's get you changed ok?" We fallowed her into my room. Mom was in the kitchen getting dinner ready. After changing us, Tammy washed her hands and then helped Emily and I. She treated us like babies, and we played along. It was fun. Tammy was so nice to me and to my friends.

    We ate and I got stuff all over my hands and face and chin. "It's a good thing you and Emily have bibs on or you'd be a mess." "Yeah you would." Tammy smiled at us. We got washed up again and then got in the car. We pulled into the church around 6:30. We had to come early to get good seats. Usually when we had revival, we had allot more people than usual.

    We all talked and had a good time with some of the other kids. As it got close to time to start Tammy came and got us and we all sat down. We were in the seventh row back. We had lots of singing and it was really fun. Then the evangelist came up and opened up with prayer and then began to preach."

    "We are going to be talking tonight about religion." Everyone looked at him with a puzzled look for a moment. "You see, we got a whole lot of religion today. We got ALL kinds of people who are religions. I am here to tell you that your religion will NOT get you into heaven. Some of you been in church you whole life and all you got is religion! Some of yall been reading the bible, been baptized, taking communion. All this to fulfill your religious duty? Religion. Let's look at religion for a moment. Religion is a set of rules and regulations that if fallowed will get you to heaven. Everyone has their own ideas and their own religion it seems today. I am here to tell you that Jesus came 2000 years ago, he died to get you out of your religion and into a relationship. He came not to teach more religion, not to start more religions and sects, but to save us! Can I get an amen!" "AMEN"

    "The bible tells us that we are ALL born in sin. There is not one righteous, no NOT ONE! Christ came to die for us to take away our sins. He died on the cross so that you could go free. There is no name given under heaven by which you can be saved, but the name of Jesus. Religion says you can earn God's approval by your outward actions. Jesus faced the religious community of his days. Going around, condemning people with there laws and ways. And Jesus was preaching deliverance, and an inner working. Which would only come through salvation and that salvation comes only from Jesus Christ. I want to tell you this. You may be out there saying I go to church, I give money, I give my time, I help teach Sunday school. If you been teaching the bible and missing Jesus as savior, you have missed the boat. But it's not to late. That's hwy You are here tonight. Jesus can even save church people! Hallelujah!" AMEN!

    "Some of you look good on the outside. But you are UGLY on the inside. You and your selfish motives. Jesus came to set you free! Not so you can walk around like some holly roller and preach and be all high and mighty on the outside, and have sin in your life and be defeated and lost on the inside! God so loved the world, He gave His ONLY begotten son JESUS, to DIE on the cross for us. And who ever believes! I said who ever believes on HIM, will not die, but have everlasting life! That life I'm talking about is not just when you die and go to heaven, but it begins right here and now. The minute you confess your sins, and ask Jesus into your heart he will come in. He will put his Holy Spirit in you. You won't be the old you anymore. You'll have JOY unspeakable and FULL of glory! Hallelujah!" AMEN!

    "Now I'm gonna ask some of you to come down here to this altar tonight. I'm calling for anyone who doesn't have Jesus in there life and hasn't been saved. You may say, I THINK I am saved. But let me tell you this, if you are truly saved, you WILL KNOW IT! It will be clear not only to you but to those around you. I'm calling good people to come down here tonight and confess there sins. WE ALL were BORN into SIN! I don't care if you love your family, love your friends, give to your church. Kids I don't care if you have a 4.0 GPA, I don't care if you are good, and helpful to your mother! If you don't have Jesus, you are lost. Good works will not get you into the kingdom of God. I'm calling moms, dads, kids, anyone who's here tonight. If you haven't asked Jesus to come into your life and SAVE you, I hope you will do so before you leave here tonight."

    "Dear Lord, I pray that you will work mightily with these people. Lord Jesus I pray that you will convict their hearts. Show them that they have a need for a personal relationship with you. Show them father, that they need to have their sins washed away by the blood of your Son. In Jesus' Name Amen."

    "As they play some soft music we will sing 2 verses of Just as I am. I do not believe in dragging out the altar call. If you are going to come you will do it within the first verse. Just remember, you take the first step, and He will walk with you the rest of the way. Jesus said that if we were ashamed to profess him publicly that He would receive you in the final day. Don't worry about what the person sitting next to you will think. Don't worry about what you've done. You may be a murderer, a rapist, or anything. You may be a nice person, but no matter what. COME TO JESUS TONIGHT. Come now as we sing"

    They began to sing the song. Emily and I were being very quiet. We could feel that something awesome was going on there. I looked over at Tammy and she had tears running down her face. A few seconds later I looked over and she was gone. I looked to my right and then I saw her going down the isle to the altar. Mom was praying and so were some people in front of us. I saw lots of people going forward. There was a guy in the back who looked like he was homeless and he went down. I even saw one of the drug dealers from down town going forward. I was amazed at all this. I didn't completely get it all, but I was watching everything intently.

    The evangelist was kneeling at the altar praying with each person who went down. They continued to play very softly in the background as he prayed with each person. I heard allot of people crying. I wondered why they were all so sad. When he kneeled to pray with Tammy I could here her crying too. I watched as he finished going down the row. They all came back to their seats. I hugged Tammy. "What's wrong? Why you crying Tammy?" She smiled at me and hugged me. "I'm so happy now. And I was so sad before, I'll try to explain later ok. All I can tell you is Jesus is in my heart now."

    "Well now I see the Lord was working here tonight in a mighty way. It always does my heart good to see people come to the Lord Jesus. I would like at this time to open it up for testimonies. Why don't some of you stand up and tell us what the Lord has done for you tonight."

    A lady in her mid thirties stood up. She too was crying. "I have been saved since I was a little girl. But it seemed like in the past few years I have got to busy with thigns and I lost track of that. I stopped spending time with God and reading his word. But tonight I just felt God convict me of that and I rededicated my life to Christ tonight." She sat down and the evangelist said praise God and asked for others to stand and share what God had done for them.

    A man in the back stood up. "I been dealing drugs and in the gang for years now. I don't got no family, I can't keep no job. It been living hell most of my life. I came in here tonight just to see if there was any hope for me. I finally understood what this guy was preachin' and I went forward. I confessed my sins to Jesus, and I got joy now. I am so happy. Yeah, I ain't got a lot still in my life, but It don't matter no more. Cuz now I got Jesus, and I am trusting him. I don't know what will happen if I try to leave the gang and all that, but I know that if I die, I gonna go to heaven with Jesus. I hope yall will pray for me. I'm gonna start coming here and I wanna serve God with the rest of my life. Lord know I wasted enough of it doing the devil's thang. I'm done with his junk man, I'm following God now." We all clapped and said Amen and were very excited for this guy. The evangelist was just talking about how Jesus can save anyone and he gave his testimony about growing up and stuff. "Well I don't wanna stop now, let's continue to share. Anyone else?"

    Tammy stood up and was wiping away her tears with a tissue. "I... I got saved tonight. I have been in church since I was a baby. I was always nice. I get good grades in school. I just thought because I was a member of the church and because I was good that I was gonna make it to heaven. But I realized tonight that I was lost and headed for hell. And... I... I love Jesus, H's in my heart now. He forgave my sins and..." She was crying even more now. "I... I have joy now more than ever before. I have more love than I ever had. I can't explain this, I just know that I am truly saved tonight. I am glad God spoke to my heart and that I know the truth now, and I will share him with my friends & family that don't know him. I I just can't explain what I feel. It's good, I am so thankful that Jesus loved me enough to die like that for me and I'm glad I am not deceived by thinking that being good and going to church will save me. I think a lot of people get that way. I am so thankful for what God has done in my life." She sat down and blew her nose and then mom hugged her and so did I. Emily gave her a hug as well.

    When everyone was done the evangelist closed the service and we all had some refreshments and then went home. I could really tell that Tammy was different now. It was late so when we got home Tammy took me inside while mom dropped off Emily. Tammy got me ready for bed and she tucked me in. "Jesus loves you Tiffany, and so do I." She gave me a kiss and told me that tomorrow after school she was going to talk to me more about Jesus, and try to help me understand how to have him in my heart." I was happy. I could feel something different tonight. Just being their at the revival meeting did something to me. I fell asleep after thinking a while.

  51. Um, a couple of corrections (IMHO) by twilight30 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The trade federation is, I think, meant to be Chinese, not Japanese (I'm part-Japanese myself). As well, Anakin's flitting slave-owner is supposed to be vaguely eastern European / Jewish, near as I can tell (accented, haggles over money, big nose -- I mean, Jesus Christ!).

    To be honest, it annoyed me first time I saw the film, and it only got worse with repeat viewings. If Lucas meant to make the film to satisfy himself only, as has been claimed by others at Slashdot (sorry, can't be arsed to find the reference), you have to wonder just what the fuck he was thinking when he wrote the screenplay.

    To address your last comment, though, Tolkien wrote LOTR many years ago. Lucas doesn't really have that excuse, and in my view, doesn't deserve an out. Just my opinion.

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    Death will come, and will have your eyes
    -- Pavese
    1. Re:Um, a couple of corrections (IMHO) by Watcher · · Score: 1

      The trade federation is, I think, meant to be Chinese, not Japanese



      Yes and no. Actually, they were supposed to be an homage to the monguls in the Flash Gordon serials (one of the major influences on Star Wars). That also is the reason why the view screens on their ships look, act, and sound like the view screens in the Flash Gordon serials.



      I'm generally willing, without evidence to back up these accusations, to give Lucas the benefit of the doubt on the racism issue. Prejudice of any kind is a terrible and insulting thing to accuse someone of. Remember when the hyenas in Lion King were called racist, and one was played by Whoopy Goldberg? Not someone known for looking kindly on racism.

    2. Re:Um, a couple of corrections (IMHO) by yoink! · · Score: 2

      To give Lucas the benefit of the doubt, I would hope that it is us reading in these stereotypes. Even the most creative of folks need some foundation for their creations, most of that comes from what we know. Perhaps there are similarities that go beyond simple attitudes, maybe the inflections that were used in the film (actually TPM was more of a popcorn movie than a film) were too close to home. Nonetheless we should be a little more open and realise that there are people who portray such behavioural patterns in the world, and they are hardly delineated by ethnic or racial origins. That is our prejudism showing through, and our desire to see in those fictional characters something we believe about those around us. Even, in the end if it was some sort of racism or stereotyping done by the writers and director of this film, telling our kids about it will only help to get them adopting racist and prejudicial tendencies at an increased rate; something I believe they will, unfortunately discover in their lives anyway, so why speed it up?!

    3. Re:Um, a couple of corrections (IMHO) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Watto's accent, demeanor and oversized
      proscobis (that's shnozz to you) actually
      more closely resembles a syrian-born Jew,
      raised in Aleppo, who earns his living by
      means of selling linen door-to-door.

    4. Re: Um, a couple of corrections (IMHO) by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Funny


      > Anakin's flitting slave-owner is supposed to be vaguely eastern European / Jewish, near as I can tell (accented, haggles over money, big nose -- I mean, Jesus Christ!).

      Yeah, but Jesus Christ is rarely portrayed with a big nose, despite the stereotypes.

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      Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
    5. Re: Um, a couple of corrections (IMHO) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      r4d

    6. Re:Um, a couple of corrections (IMHO) by mshurpik · · Score: 1

      No, I think what happened is that in their flagrant disregard for originality, TPM screenwriters simply flailed around and grabbed the nearest handy stereotypes with which to populate their movie. Make the goofball a negro, make the owner a jew, make the alliance chinese. If you keep this up, you can write a whole screenplay and you never have to stop and think.

      It's pretty common, actually. Turn on the TV and look at how many characters are stereotyped. Irish cops, Italian thugs, Mexican street punks. It's all okay as long as you offer a portrayal that does justice to the character's background. The reason why TPM came off racist is because they were lazy about it.

      As for whether to inform kids of these subtleties, don't. Otherwise they will go to school and say, "My daddy says that TPM is full of racist stereotypes." And all the other kids, who are still grappling with 2+2=4, will say, "You are such a dork." WHAM!

      Better to keep your kids stupid and naive. Insight is a curse and not appreciated. I mean, what would happen if you told him that Lucas hasn't made an honest film since THX, and has admitted that much repeatedly over the years? He'd probably end up on Slashdot, arguing against the wind with people who ignore Lucas' own statements and believe, blindly, that Lucas' mass-market urge is a recent phenomenon. What a crazy nut! Just leave your kids alone, life will be easier for them if they learn to take their cues from the group.

    7. Re: Um, a couple of corrections (IMHO) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Yeah, but Jesus Christ is rarely portrayed with a big nose, despite the stereotypes.


      He just gets to look like Ted Nugent.

    8. Re:Um, a couple of corrections (IMHO) by arkanes · · Score: 2

      The Flash Gordon moguls are sterotypical "evil asians" as popularized in the pulp media of the time, which was during WW2 (Japanese, but looking more Chinese, because nobody could be bothered to tell the difference between different types of asians). So if they're based on the Flash Gordon ones, then they're ... second-hand racist? I suppose. I also fail to see how anyone can fail to see the (intentional) racism in the Flash Gordon, and, for that matter, most of the entertainment of the time.

    9. Re:Um, a couple of corrections (IMHO) by bill_guts · · Score: 1

      ...Anakin's flitting slave-owner is supposed to be vaguely eastern European / Jewish...

      i thought him and a lot of the other characters on the planet (the speedracers etc.) had spanish-like accents...

      maybe the next (episode 3) movie will have bad guys with arabic-like accents...

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  52. Looking for Pre-Attack attention by just4now · · Score: 1, Redundant

    It is interesting this is posted about 2 weeks before the next Star Wars movie. I guess it is to remind us about it. Most people - scf-fi fans and otherwise - are looking forward to the Spiderman movie (recent trailer had him swooping just over a bunch of yellow cabs in NY; very good.) Besides Spiderman, most people interested in ci-Fi are waiting for the second Lord of The Rings movie. I grew up with Star Wars (was 12 when the first movie came out.) but I don't see the interest anymore. I think more people are waiting for the next X-Men movie than a SW movie in which we know that Anakin gets involved with Queen whats-her-name and starts becoming Darth Vader. Lucus probably went with his alledged last 3 movies of the series set 100-200 years after ROTJ. Right now, he has no room to move.

    1. Re:Looking for Pre-Attack attention by martissimo · · Score: 2

      I grew up with Star Wars (was 12 when the first movie came out.) but I don't see the interest anymore

      TPM is very high on the list of top grossing movies of all time... #4 i believe, so i would hardly say interest has faded. Heck have you seen the hype in regards to the online trailers alone, the Apple.com website was practically dead the first few days the trailer was up in QT.

      Clones will be a huge draw even if it isn't great... if it is great the sky is the limit, it will have a bit more pressure on the film, to achieve the heights of the first 4 Star Wars films due to a bit of bad press with TPM. Rest assured however that it will gross plenty either way.

    2. Re:Looking for Pre-Attack attention by CaseyB · · Score: 2
      ...most people interested in ci-Fi are waiting for the second Lord of The Rings movie. ... I think more people are waiting for the next X-Men movie than a SW movie in which we know that Anakin gets involved with Queen whats-her-name and starts becoming Darth Vader. ... Right now, he has no room to move.

      Um, he has a hell of a lot more "room" than Peter Jackson does with Two Towers. I mean, I could probably guess how that ENTIRE MOVIE will unfold! And the next one as well!

    3. Re:Looking for Pre-Attack attention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People will go to see any sh*t you put in the theaters if you promote it enough. SW is running on name recognition mainly and hopeful fans of the first 3 movies. It's gross is not a reflection of real interest, SW simply doesn't have the cultural effect it used to have.

    4. Re:Looking for Pre-Attack attention by nagora · · Score: 1
      I mean, I could probably guess how that ENTIRE MOVIE will unfold! And the next one as well!

      Yep: no characters, lot of fights, very crap. Still it's saved me 2/3 of the money I would have spent on a good adaptation of LotR.

      TWW

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      "Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
    5. Re:Looking for Pre-Attack attention by just4now · · Score: 1

      Hi, There was a lot of hype before the Phantom Menance movie - it was supposed to be the killer movie of that year. It brought in alot of money *because* everyone expected to be blown away. I'm not against Star Wars per se; just observing that the positive hype for the Spiderman movie might be seen to diminish potential boxoffice sales for the "Clones" SW movie and how timely it is to release a "Clones" article just before the release of both movies

  53. Memento by webloser · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The most interesting part of that pathetic interview was the discussion afterwards, without the phantom editor, about Memento. That the England dvd release will have an easter egg that you can watch it in chronological order.

    1. Re:Memento by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      "Where am I?" asks Leonard.

      Looks at a polaroid of Jar-Jar.

      Which reads, "He is the one. Kill him".

      "Oh yeah."

    2. Re:Memento by biglig2 · · Score: 2

      I remember reading somewhere of a film school class who were set the task of editing Citizen Kane into chronological order. Aparently the end result wasn't that bad...

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      ~~~~~ BigLig2? You mean there's another one of me?
    3. Re:Memento by Deluge · · Score: 2

      Odd, I rented Memento from Blockbuster shortly after it came out on DVD, and it had the chronological order feature in plain sight in the extra features menu...

    4. Re:Memento by mikey_boy · · Score: 1

      I've got this, and I can safely say it works really well. The only trouble is, that if you come into the movie half way through when your flat mate is watching it, you get really confused, and have no idea what has happened and what is going to happen next.

  54. Star Wars is a toy commercial... by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "he wants the kids involved so they stick through all 3 new movies and hopefully watch the other 3."

    Don't forget that Star Wars movies = release of some really cool toys. Go to your local Toys R Us and see what companies such as LEgo are doing with Star Wars. It's pretty impressive.

    I have no doubt that Lucas had kids in mind when he made Jar Jar. He even said so in this month's Issue of Maxim.

    Is this a bad thing? I agree that Star Wars would be more interesting if it were geared more towards the adult world, but the kids spend more money on it after the fact. The truth is that we can fully expect more kiddie stuff as Star Wars trickles out. Look at the preview for AotC. Anybody catch the flying R2D2 scene?

    There is some hope, though. Older people are buying more video games these days. It's possible we'll see Star Wars tuned more to the adult audience in the next couple of movies, because now the older people have a reason to buy Star Wars merchandise.

    At least that's what I'm hoping for. I'm not holding my breath, though. When I see AotC, I fully expect to see some silly moments that'll make the kids cheer. The best I can do is try to enjoy it. I know I thought the Ewoks were cool when I was 6.

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    "Derp de derp."
    1. Re:Star Wars is a toy commercial... by Artifex · · Score: 2
      I have no doubt that Lucas had kids in mind when he made Jar Jar.


      Sadly, though, the kids don't seem to like him all that much. When this movie first came out in the theater, I took some preteens and teens to see it - not a single one liked the Jar-Jar character. They all said he "sucked."

      Then again, they also mostly thought Anakin was a whiny brat, which surprised me. I thought they'd be wrapped up in the idea that he got to fly a pod racer, etc. But Lucas soft-peddled the whole slavery thing, and these kids, some of whom had been abused, weren't buying it.

      I know I thought the Ewoks were cool when I was 6.


      The Ewoks were cool when you were 6. I remember secretly thinking they were cool, and I was supposed to be too old for that (11 or 12). But then, of course, "the Ewoks Big Adventure" came out, to milk that dry.

      I could continue with more reasons why I think the "new Star Wars" won't even be palatable to kids, but it mostly has to do with the usual rants you've heard before, like wondering why "the Force" turns out to be just commensalism or something - it doesn't explain how there can be a "dark side" adequately, etc. And good lord... how can those thousands of robots all be such bad shots? =)
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      Get off my launchpad!
    2. Re:Star Wars is a toy commercial... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And good lord... how can those thousands of robots all be such bad shots? =)

      I believe the phrase is "Garbage in, garbage out."

    3. Re:Star Wars is a toy commercial... by Tonttoro · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Legos gone bad these days. You just can't get legos from my childhood anymore, some 19 years ago legos rocked. Now, they are just specialty pieces that don't really fit any but one construction.


      Blah.

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      when everyone gives everything, then everyone everything will get
    4. Re:Star Wars is a toy commercial... by mshurpik · · Score: 2, Funny

      He even said so in this month's Issue of Maxim.

      God, what was he doing in Maxim?

      "If you thought that Angelina Jolie was hot, check out this month's interview with George Lucas! Fat, unkempt, reclusive, and very authoritarian, George was a promising young auteur until he decided instead to focus his career on revenge. Some of his works from that period are now considered classics, but George is not deterred. He has recut this strangely-revered pulp, proving once and for all that his love affair with film ended a long time ago.

      "Today, George is churning out new pre-teen cartoons with machine-like efficiency and has established the distribution network to send them far, far away. He is truly 'the Force' to be reckoned with in mass-marketing, intellectual property law, and digital rights management. We are pleased that George allowed us to help him self-promote his new cartoon, Attack of the Clones!"

    5. Re:Star Wars is a toy commercial... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I really really hope George Lucas target adults instead of kids in his next movies. I mean, we just gotta see them but it wouldn't be good without the film stroking my antennas. Me gots to see Star Wars though. Damn, I wan't to be a commercially viable target. Hit me!"

  55. ROFLMAOAMO by diaper_tales · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    asl?

  56. test by supabeast! · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    test message, plz ignore.

  57. Haven't you heard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think Jar Jar should be ground into pod racer fuel in the next episode

    Haven't you heard?

    Jar-Jar becomes Boba Fett in Ep2

    1. Re:Haven't you heard? by GodLived · · Score: 1
      Jarjar, Boba Fett... Too dang funny!!

      Actually, he becomes the *first* outworlder that the Ewoks on Endor hook up to a spit and roast for food... except that unlike Han, Chewie, Luke, and Leia, he doesn't have a golden "god" or a force-boy available to frighten ewoks and get him out of trouble.

      In fact, his wit and charm hasten the Ewoks in their lunchtime endeavor... miscellaneous grunting translates to:

      "quick! cook him up!"

      "But why, shouldn't we be kind to strangers?"

      "What? Let him live? And forgo all the product endorsements, scads of sappy animated TV shows, and other drivel because of Mr. Big Flapears?"

      "Yes, my elders. I see now."

      "See all you want. Pass the barbeque sauce..."

  58. And neither do you. by righty+oh · · Score: -1

    I'd suggest you get off your 'high and mighty' spiel and actually read some of the words of the Anonymous Cowards whom you can't be bothered with.

    While one of the responses may have been plain flamebait, the other one (the first one) has a good point.

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  59. Ok, ignoring! by bleckywelcky · · Score: 0, Offtopic


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    1. Re:Ok, ignoring! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm browsing at -1 with IE 6 on a Windows 2000 box, and you can't even muster technical competence enough to post a proper page-widening post to sufficiently FUBAR my browsing experience. It seems that the trolls lately are incompetent, unoriginal and untalented. Oh, for the good old days. Oh well, back to trolling the Focus on the Family message boards.

    2. Re:Ok, ignoring! by bleckywelcky · · Score: 1


      Actually, I just ran across a post talking about how some do the page-widening posts, so I wanted to check it out for myself. Never done it before, so I wasn't sure if I did it correctly.

  60. I liked Jar Jar. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    Seriously. It was just a part of the story, that was it. If you want to write a better series go for it.

    Flame away!

  61. Remember Saruman by Brian_Ellenberger · · Score: 1

    Except for the fact that the #2 bad guy in the books and the one of the biggest turncoats in Middle Earth history is a wizard named Saruman the *WHITE*....

    While Gandalf was known throughout most of his like as Gandalf the *GRAY*.

    1. Re:Remember Saruman by praktike · · Score: 1
      Saruman the *WHITE*....

      well, i was really talking about orcs, southrons, the haradrim, and so on in the 3rd book. all the mordor types are dark, from the south, ride elephants, etc.

      but remember that the *white* is seen as the ideal, and Gandalf becomes Gandalf the *white* after his battle with the Balrog. Later, Saruman's staff is broken, and he is cast down from the council--his behavior doesn't merit being called the *white* anymore.

      i come neither to bury nor praise tolkein, however. i have read lotr hundreds of times, and it's clearly a great story and deserves its reputation. tolkein comes from a literary tradition including rudyard kipling and joseph conrad, though, so this implicit racial stuff is not tolkein's invention--perhaps we can forgive him.

      back to the original idea--even in fantasy worlds, our prejudices from this world, sadly, sometimes remain.

      good for guys like the phantom editor to do something about this, even if his original intent was only to get rid of arguably the most annoying movie character ever created. possible competitor: any haley joel osment role.

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    2. Re:Remember Saruman by qnonsense · · Score: 1
      • i have read lotr hundreds of times
      wow. that's sweet. :)
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    3. Re:Remember Saruman by WNight · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This whole racist obsession people have is kinda ridiculous. Colors aren't hidden racist subtext.

      White is fascinating and black is scary. This makes sense. Think about it. The dark is "black". If you go into the dark, you can't see things and this is bad. Things can eat you in the dark. There are Grue's in the dark. Everyone naturally is warrier in the dark, even someone with "black" skin.

      On the other hand, bright light is white, and it reveals everything that was hidden. Light also conquers darkness.

      So if you're portraying a character who's evil and nasty you could (if you're wanting to make it blatantly obvious) dress them in black and have them hide in shadows. Dangerous things lurk in shadows, so the connection is obvious.

      For an example. I, as a kid, was scared of the dark long before I'd ever seen a black person. I liked flashlights because they got rid of the darkness. This was long before I knew that I was "white" by comparison to anything else.

      This is seperate from the skin color of the characters. It's just to explain that Gandalf the White and Sauron the Dark aren't necessarily racial comments in any way. Feel free to read anything you want into the skin colors of the orcs and the "good guys".

      I am glad though, that they didn't throw in a token black character. They were dealing with small isolated populations. You likely wouldn't get someone with a really different skin color so it'd be a blatant "Don't hate us, here's your token minority" gesture. Now on the other hand, if they'd made (for instance) the wood elves dark (or the Rivendell ones) that would have made some sense because they were a seperate population. But it's unthinking knee-jerk PC gestures that stick out like a sore thumb. And in my opinion these do more harm than good because they bring the issue of skin color to mind, instead of ignoring it as the non-issue it is.

    4. Re:Remember Saruman by psamuels · · Score: 1
      "Don't hate us, here's your token minority"

      ITYM "Don't hate us, here's your Tolkien minority"

      I'm-- no, wait, I'm not sorry.

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    5. Re:Remember Saruman by CantGetAUserName · · Score: 1

      They also have very short heroes with furry feet. I'm not sure who that's a dig at (or, even, who it's praising)

      By and large, though, I agree, and it's one of the reasons I read sci-fi / fantasy (rarely now, tho). If you have to make the whole world yourself, it will reflect what you think. Unless you're a vulcan it's going to have to. Sci-fi tells you as much about the author as it does about the story

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    6. Re:Remember Saruman by Happy+Monkey · · Score: 2

      Now on the other hand, if they'd made (for instance) the wood elves dark (or the Rivendell ones) that would have made some sense because they were a seperate population.

      Actually, it wouldn't, since elves are immortal, have very few children, and all come from the same stock. That said, the elves in Lothlorien seemed to look more androgynous in the movie than the ones in Rivendell. And Rivendell had the only dark-haired elves I saw (Elrond and Arwen, as half-elves, and two more unnamed elved at the council).

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  62. The Phantom White Guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I realized the Phantom Menace was a piece of crap before someone pointed out Lucas' racist undertones. The white guys are beautiful and heroic. The slavetraders talk like aye-rabs. The evil trade federation talk like asians. The comic relief is provided by a neeeeeeeeeeeeegro. And beautiful Princess Amadalia Panda is Israli Army Pin-up Girl Natalie Portman. But Lucas pretends in the TIME interview he's exploring the line between dictatorship and democracy? Right, georgy porgey puddingly pie, 8 million pepsi cips didn't sell and he couldn't work out why.

  63. Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

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  64. Re: TRUE TO THE BOOK?! - Don't make me laugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about:-
    1) cutting Tom Bombadil & the Barrow Wights
    2) Aragorn "Just happening to find" 3 Hobbit sized swords to get past 1) on Weathertop
    3) The "Cave Troll" in Moria - we've got a CGI budget & we're going to use it - or a blatent steal of "Harry Potter" either way superfluous & over-long.
    4) The ending, Tolkien wrote a fine ending which they in their "infinite" wisdom decided to re-write so every one of the Fellowship could say goodbye to Frodo before he left - the new ending was lame, killed the meaning of the film and was actually longer than the original - please explain.

    I walked out of the movie fuming. I could have accepted cuts because there's a lot going on in the book but not swingeing cuts so the director could masturbate with CGI & rewrite Tolkiens ending.

  65. Whoa! by kennedy · · Score: 4, Funny

    So... a spyware free version of kazaa...
    interview with the phantom editor...

    All in the same day?!

    muahahahah!

  66. Not For Profit ... Why Not by OffTheRack · · Score: 1

    This is wonderful. I did not know that there was a Phantom Menace 1.1. I'm glad there is.

    I would like to think that legal barriers will not crop up to prevent more of this in the future.

  67. First gay metallica fanfic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Rum, Sodomy and the Lash
    by Armelle Amaya

    Captain James Alan Hetfield stood on the bridge of his
    ship, the Defiant. The Caribbean sun burned high in the clear blue sky, highlighting his white-blonde hair. The
    sea was calm and blue, surpassed in blueness only by James' eyes, and his men were exceptionally good-
    humoured today.

    After making sure his crew could manage without him for a few hours, he walked towards his cabin, whistling in
    anticipation of the one thing that would make this day more perfect than it already was.

    He sneaked into his cabin, silently closing the door, and just stood there watching his cabin boy straighten
    the sheets on their bed. "That's just gonna get messy again, you know," he grinned.

    Kirk whirled around, startled, and clutched his chest.
    "Fuck, James, don't fucking *do* that! You took ten years off my life."

    "Sorry," James apologised, not looking very sorry at all. He was, in fact, grinning widely, letting Kirk
    know exactly how these sheets were going to get messy.

    Kirk rolled his eyes. "You're insatiable."

    James strode towards the bed, scooped up Kirk and dropped him in it. "Shut up, boy," he growled
    playfully, quickly dishevelling Kirk of the few clothes he was wearing. "I bought you, I own you. Now earn your
    keep."

    With that, he lay down on the bed, arms folded behind his head, making it very clear that he wasn't planning
    on doing anything really strenuous that day.

    Kirk's eyes lit up; it was only rarely that his lover allowed him to take the upper hand in their lovemaking.
    He took a deep breath, determined to make this last as long as he could, to make it count.

    Slowly, deliberately, he peeled James' shirt off, then neatly folded it and placed it on the chair next to the
    bed. James watched him, amused, as Kirk repeated the ritual with his trousers, leaving him completely
    uncovered.

    An evil grin crossed his face as he loomed over James Hetfield, aka 'The Mighty Hetfield'. His lover, his
    owner, the other half of his soul, whose body he knew better than his own, and he knew exactly how to make
    this wild, powerful man beg for mercy.

    Kirk started by attacking James' nipple, first licking it gently, then using his teeth, biting it until it was
    hard as a pebble, and James was making incoherent sounds of pleasure. The other nipple received the same
    treatment, and by that time James was moaning outright.

    "Like that, huh?" Kirk smiled, looking into his lover's blue, dilated eyes. He loved it when James got like
    this, aroused by his touch, *his* touch, all his.

    "Come here and I'll show you exactly how much I like that," James drawled, his mouth lifting up in a lazy
    grin. Kirk eagerly complied and let his face hover about an inch above James' for a few seconds before
    lightly brushing his lips across his lover's. James deepened the kiss, not taking control but just slowly
    delving into the heat of Kirk's mouth, and Kirk was only too happy to oblige and return the favour.

    When they finally had to come up for air, Kirk whispered, breathlessly: "Now, where was I?" and moved
    down James' body again, seeking out more sensitive spots, both old, familiar ones and ones he didn't know
    about yet. Before long, the most feared pirate captain that ever sailed the seven seas was squirming under his
    hands. He lived for moments like these.

    "Kirk ..." James pleaded, his voice hoarse with barely-
    contained lust.

    "Say 'please'," Kirk demanded, pinning James' arms to
    the bed.

    "Kirk," James tried to threaten, but Kirk would have
    none of it.

    "Say 'please'," he insisted.

    "Please?" James gave in.

    "Good boy." Kirk took pity on his lover and slowly moved inside him, while James threw his head back and
    let out a deep moan.

    Kirk took the open invitation and gently bit his lover's neck, following up the bite with soft, wet
    flicks of his tongue. James moaned deeply, causing Kirk to grin against him neck.

    James moaned again, nearly growling, and Kirk shivered with barely contained desire. Slowly, teasingly, he
    pulled almost all the way out, then slid back in again, filling his lover deeper than before.

    "Oooohhhh, fuck!" James shouted. "More, please, Kirk more, I love you ..." It was too much, he couldn't hold
    still anymore and plunged deep into his lover, setting a slow, torturous rhythm. It was a long time before
    they both came.

    Afterwards they lay together, entangled in the bed sheets, sweating from the labour and the heat; and
    all was well with the world.

    Meanwhile, just behind the horizon, another captain was having a slightly less perfect day. Jason Newsted,
    captain of the Valiant, had a pounding headache. Today had not gone very well.

    His men were on the verge of mutiny because of the long time without shore leave and it had taken all his
    authority to avoid an actual uprising. He wouldn't be able to keep them obedient for long, though, not with
    the drink water supply down to only one barrel for the whole ship. And on top of all that there was -

    "Captain Newsted!" A shrill female voice cut the air, making several of his most hardened men wince.

    Jason groaned inwardly. Why the fuck had he ever agreed to transport this spoiled aristocratic girl to her
    intended husband in Brazil? He was a trade captain, dammit, not an escort service!

    "Yes, m'lady?" He forced himself to smile and be polite. After all, Monsier d'Axl was one of the most
    influential businessmen in Europe, even if his daughter Rose was a first-class bitch.

    "Captain Newsted, my father did not pay you handsomely so that I would have to go without washing! I demand
    more water than this ... this *droplet* I've been given, and I want it *now*!"

    Suddenly, the headache became a good thing, because without it he'd surely burst out laughing at the
    of outrage on the young woman's face. "Miss d'Axl," he explained as calmly as he could, "We have very little
    drinking water left. You've already been issued three times what the men get, so until we've stocked up
    you'll have to either wash with salt water, or not at
    all."

    The woman opened her mouth, clearly outraged, but
    before she could utter another word he interrupted her.

    "Look, why don't we discuss this matter further in my cabin? I'm sure you'd be more comfortable discussing
    your personal hygiene without the whole ship listening on." Damn, he was going to pay for that remark,
    but the muffled snickers all around him were worth it. This was
    one subject where his crew was still behind him.

    As the 'lady' hmmpf-ed and strode towards the captain's
    cabin, nose high in the air, Jason turned to his second-in-command. "Ulrich, set course for the nearest
    island, as fast as you can. And keep an eye out for pirates. I think the Defiant was last seen in this
    area."

    The little Dane saluted and started to rattle off orders as his captain trudged after his bane. Lars
    shook his head in sympathy. This was definitely their worst journey ever.

    Little did he know it was about to get worse.

    A loud pounding noise brought James and Kirk from their sex-induced haze. At James' growl the door opened to
    reveal a widely-grinning man.

    "Ship comin' our way, cap'n. Looks like it's real loaded." The man didn't blink an eye at the sight of
    the captain and his 'personal slave' in bed together. It was just one of those things that made up life as
    usual aboard the Defiant.

    James sighed, reluctant to stop being a lover and start being a fighter again. "I'll be right out," he told the
    messenger, who nodded and promptly returned to the deck. James swung his long legs out of the bed and got
    to his feet. After getting dressed, he told Kirk to stay in the cabin while they were fighting and went
    outside to lead his men to yet another victory.

    Lars was the first on the Valiant to catch sight of the black pirate flag near the horizon. "Sit!" he yelled,
    "That's all we fucking needed. Damn, damn, *damn*!" Adding a few curses in Danish for good measure, he
    quickly ran to the captain's cabin.

    He could hear the 'damsel', as the crew had taken to calling her, yelling and screaming within paces from
    the solid door. Lars grimaced. If this was what ladies were like, he'd rather stick with prostitutes and bar
    girls, thank you.

    He pounded on the door before opening it, not waiting for answer first. The bad news must've been apparent on
    his face, because Jason took one look at him and sighed.

    "Let me guess: the Defiant."

    Lars nodded.

    "Any chance it's any other pirate?"

    "You know any other pirate that sails under a black,
    snake-adorned flag?"

    Jason sighed again. "Stay in here," he told the 'Lady'
    and her chaperone. Once on deck, he ordered one of his
    men to guard the door to his cabin and to stay there no
    matter what.

    "Hey," Lars nudged his friend in the side. "Don't look
    so worried. It's just a pirate. We've encountered those before."

    "Yeah, but this is *Hetfield*! Shit, they don't call him 'The Mighty" for nothing, you know. And the worst
    thing is that now we'll have to be around *her* for even longer."

    Lars chuckled at that last one. "Stop worrying. We'll make it. We're a great team."

    Yeah, they were a great team alright. If only Lars realised how Jason truly felt about him ... He shook
    his head. He had pirates to worry about, he didn't have the time to stand there mooning about his friend.

    "Is there any way we can outrun them?"

    Lars shook his head. "No. No ship on earth is faster
    than the Defiant."

    "And the army that can defeat James Hetfield hasn't been formed yet," Jason added. "Well, he's not gonna
    get us that easy," he frowned, sounding determined, and started to give out orders.

    The fight was long and vicious, lasting well into the
    afternoon. In the end, only Jason and Lars were still standing, back to back, surrounded by the pirates.
    Suddenly the crowd parted to let a tall, blonde man pass.

    "Mr Hetfield, I assume?" Lars grinned at the pirate captain striding towards him. Jason cast a worried
    glance over Lars' shoulder, but figured Lars could more than take care of himself.

    "You assume correctly. And you are?"

    "Lars Ulrich; I'm the one that's gonna kick your ass."
    Lars grinned broadly.

    Hetfield chuckled in amusement. "You? Kick *my* ass? What're you gonna do, jump up and bit me in the balls?"

    Lars shrugged quasi-careless. "That could work," he said, right before he proceeded to do just that. Jason
    turned around to see the feared pirate bend over in pain, and snickered.

    "You ..." Hetfield growled. He drew his sword and just ran towards Lars, blade extended, looking for all the
    world like a charging bull. Lars calmly stepped aside, with Jason following suit, and James stumbled into the
    crowd, almost killing a few of his own men.

    Hetfield turned around, now facing Jason, and attacked again, this time displaying all the skill that had made
    him so notorious. All Jason could do was parry the strikes; there was no way he could get a blow in on
    James Hetfield.

    It was only a matter of minutes before the fight was over and Jason was lying on the ground with a sword at
    his throat. He looked up into Hetfield's eyes, refusing to back down. Time stood still for a few heartbeats
    while two strong wills battled. Then the sword was removed, and Hetfield let Jason get up.

    "Take those two to my cabin, and guard them," he
    ordered. "And don't forget to disarm them!"

    "Hey Hammett! Company!"

    Grumbling, Kirk dragged himself over to the door. "What?" he snarled.

    "Sorry man, captain's orders. These two are to stay here 'till he gets back. He's checking out the loot."

    "Yeah, yeah, let 'em in. You mind if I get dressed?" he
    asked the two men, who were entering the cabin hesitantly.

    The taller one blushed furiously at the sight of Kirk's naked body, and even more deeply when he caught sight
    of the disarrayed bed. When the guy saw Kirk's tattoos,
    the flames on his hips, which were symbols of tribe, and the letters arching over his stomach,
    reading 'Property of J.A. Hetfield', he turned so red Kirk was afraid he was going to burst a vein.

    "Who are you two, anyway?" he asked, quickly donning a lose pair of trousers and roughly straightening the
    covers of the bed. "Oh and have a seat, please." He gestured towards some chairs and settled on the bed
    himself, legs crossed.

    "Jason Newsted, captain of the Valiant."

    "Lars Ulrich, first mate." He had an odd accent, Kirk noted. Considering the name, he was probably
    Scandinavian or something. Kirk let his eyes rake over the shorter man's body. Not bad, he decided, short but
    muscled. Nice eyes. And completely oblivious to the cause of his captain's embarrassment.

    "Kirk Hammett, pleasure slave," he grinned, delighting in the returning blush on Newsted's face. Gods, but
    this guy was easy to tease. He hoped James wouldn't return for a while yet, so he could have some more fun
    with them. "So, can I get you gentlemen anything? A drink, something to eat, anything?"

    "No thank you," Ulrich declined. Newsted continued to look uncomfortable and seemed rather relieved when
    James stormed in a few moments later, looking like he wanted to strangle someone. Kirk frowned; normally his
    lover was in a good mood after a victory.

    "Kirk, take the shorty here and make yourselves scarce for a while. I need to talk business with captain ..."

    "Newsted," Kirk provided, helpfully.

    "... with captain Newsted here."

    "Yes, sir," Kirk saluted. He gestured for Ulrich to
    step through the door. "After you, kind sir."

    After the door shut behind them, there was an awkward silence as both of them tried to think of something to
    say. Then Kirk went over to the rail and hauled himself on it, crossing his legs. There was another awkward
    silence as Lars tried to think of something to think.

    "So, um ... can I ask you a question?" he finally
    mustered.

    "Sure, go ahead."

    "How come you seem so happy?"

    Kirk lifted his eyebrows. Of all the questions he'd been expecting, this was definitely not one. "What do
    you mean?"

    "Well, it's almost like you enjoy being Hetfield's ...
    pleasure slave," Lars explained, blushing a little at the last few words.

    Kirk snickered. "Gee, whatever gave you that idea?
    Look, Mr Ulrich -"

    "Lars," Lars interrupted.

    "Lars," Kirk smiled, and the sun suddenly seemed to burn a lot brighter. "James would set me free the
    second I'd ask him. I want to stay with him, just like I wanted to have this tattoo, and like I want to sleep
    with him. Not because he makes me, but because I want
    to. Because I love him."

    Lars frowned. "Love cannot exist between men. And
    intercourse between to members of the same gender is a
    sin."

    Kirk shrugged. "It's not a sin to *my* gods. So,
    anyway," he abruptly changed the subject. "What
    happened back on your ship that made James so angry?"

    "I dunno. I mean he was a bit pissed when I bit him,
    but -"

    "You bit him?" Kirk interrupted.

    "Um, yeah." Lars blushed vaguely and then gave Kirk a
    quick report of the fight, making the slave giggle
    hysterically.

    "Oh gods," he panted, "Poor James. You're a madman,
    Uli."

    "Thanks," Lars grinned. "But I don't think that's what
    made him angry. I have the feeling he's had the
    pleasure of meeting Miss d'Axl."

    "So," Hetfield said, pulling up a chair. "Let's talk
    business." Jason looked up, surprised. Business? "I
    want to make you an offer. Normally, I'd just take your
    cargo and let you on your way. However, I'm willing to
    let you go, *with* your cargo, on one condition. That
    'lady', Miss D'Axl, I want to keep her."

    Jason frowned in confusion. What would Hetfield want with her, when he had Kirk? Then he noticed the red,
    hand-shaped mark on the other's cheek, and grinned inwardly. Apparently the pirate had had encountered the
    lady's temper. "What would you do with her?"

    "Well, I thought Kirk could use some help with his
    duties as a cabin boy, so he'd be free to fulfil his
    other duties."

    The image of the damsel cleaning up the pirate's mess was so appealing Jason simply forgot to blush at the
    reference to the pleasure slave. It was tempting, very tempting. He could get back at her *and* keep his
    cargo. He sighed deeply.

    "Much as I'd like to, I can't. I gave my word I'd
    protect her. Besides, I'd be ruined; her father is the most influential businessman in Europe. If I'd leave
    his daughter with a pirate, I may as well become one myself."

    "Actually," Hetfield said, his voice thoughtful. "Maybe
    you should. I could use a second ship."

    Jason stared at him in shock. Was the man really saying what he thought he was saying? He couldn't be. Hetfield
    was notorious for being a loner; the only pirate of his calibre who didn't use multiple ships to expand his
    power and influence. Why would he suddenly ask a total
    stranger to be his second in command?

    "Because you're the first one I want to be my adjunct," Hetfield said in answer to the question that was clear
    on Jason's face. "You're the best sword fighter I've ever encountered, you're brave, a good captain, and
    true to your word, like you just demonstrated. And,
    well, I like you."

    "What about my men?" Jason wanted to know.

    "They can stay under your command, if they want to.
    Those who don't will be brought to the nearest trade
    harbour."

    He considered Hetfield's words for a few moments. It was certainly tempting, and not just because of the
    money - though that certainly played a big role. No,
    there was also the fact that he wouldn't have to suck up to bastards like Mr d'Axl anymore; nor would he have
    to be polite to their daughters. And maybe, hopefully, being around Kirk would open Lars' mind to the idea of
    a relationship with a man. Lars ...

    "I need to think about this," he told Hetfield. "And
    talk about it with my First Mate."

    The pirate arched an eyebrow. "You discuss things like
    this with a subordinate?"

    "He's not just my subordinate," Jason explained. "He's
    my friend."

    Lars looked up as the door to the cabin opened and
    Jason came out, looking immersed in thought. As he
    walked up to his friend he heard Hetfield order one of
    his men to take the two of them back to the ship and
    organise guards to be on the Valiant for the night.

    He frowned. What did the pirate want from them that he
    didn't already have? He opened his mouth to ask Jason,
    but the latter shook his head. "Not now," he said
    cryptically.

    As soon as they were inside Jason's cabin, Lars
    demanded to know what was going on. After Jason told
    him briefly what they'd been offered, he was silent for
    a moment. "So, are you going to do it?" he asked,
    hesitently.

    "Maybe ... are you?"

    "Maybe. Only if you will."

    "I will if you will," Jason smiled.

    "Then I guess we will," Lars grinned, and they both
    burst out in laughter at the idiocy of their
    conversation.

    Six Months Later
    ----------------

    Kirk was lying on the deck of the Defiant, basking in
    the sun, waiting for his lover to return. James was on
    the Valiant, talking to Jason and Lars about their
    latest fight. Both ships were lying in the bay of
    Sandman Island, the pirates' home base.

    "Hey, Quirk, is this what you do all day while the rest
    of us are risking our lives?" He opened his eyes and
    saw Lars standing over him. He grinned at the Dane and
    got up.

    "Hey, I have to keep up my tan, don't I? So, what're
    you doing here? Where's James and Jason?"

    Lars rolled his eyes. "Jase insisted that I have my arm
    seen to."

    Kirk frowned at his friend. "Did you get hurt?"

    "It's just a scratch; Jason's overreacting," Lars told
    him, but followed him to the cabin nevertheless.

    "C'me here, let me see this 'scratch'," Kirk ordered.
    Lars rolled up his left sleeve, revealing a wound,
    nothing serious, but deeper than a 'scratch'. "Jason
    was absolutely right. This needs to be disinfected or
    it could be worse."

    Lars muttered something intelligible.

    "What?" Kirk inquired.

    "Nothing," Lars sighed. "It's just ... I wish he's stop
    treating like a little kid. I may be short, but I'm not
    weak."

    "He knows that," Kirk laughed. "He's just worried about
    you Lars. We all worry about the people we care about.
    Hell, you should see me with James sometimes; I'm worse
    than Jase is with you and no one would call James
    weak."

    "Yeah, but you're lovers, that's different," Lars
    insisted. Kirk just looked at him oddly. "What?" Lars
    asked, confused.

    Kirk laughed, shaking his head. "Gods, you're either
    really dense, or really in denial. You really mean to
    tell me you don't know that Jason is head over heels in
    love with you?"

    "*Jason*?!?" Lars exclaimed, incredulously. "No way!"

    "Way. And I, for one, think you should take this
    opportunity. Look, Lars, true love is a rare thing.
    Don't let it slip through your fingers."

    Lars shook his head, trying to clear his thoughts, and
    stood, abruptly. "I need to clear my head," he told
    Kirk, and exited the cabin without waiting for an
    answer.

    Lars leaned over the rail, staring off into the sea,
    not really seeing anything. Jason ... *his* Jason was
    in love with him? He couldn't believe it, but if
    anyone'd know it would be Kirk. And just when had he
    started to think of Jason as 'his', anyway?

    He moaned quietly. How the hell was he supposed to
    handle this? Should he tell Jason that he knew? If he
    did, should he make it clear that he didn't feel the
    same way? Was he *sure* he didn't feel the same way?

    Lars tried to imagine having sex with ... no, *making
    love* with Jason. Would it hurt? Kirk sure seemed to
    enjoy it, and he'd seen enough glimpses of the two
    lovers to know that the roles were reversed every now
    and then, too. He couldn't picture James Hetfield
    voluntarily doing anything really painful.

    Still, would *he* like *Jason* to do that to *him*?
    Would he like to do it to Jason? He closed his eyes,
    calling up his friend's face and imagined kissing him,
    slipping his tongue between those lips, feeling those
    strong arms around him ... He shivered with sudden
    lust.

    Fuck, why had it taken him so long to get a clue? He'd
    had a kind, generous, loving man right beside him for
    years, and he'd never known. "I'm an idiot," he mumbled
    to himself.

    "Yes, you are," a deep voice came from behind him,
    frightening the hell outta him. He turned on his heels
    to see James, grinning at the expression on Lars' face.
    "What were you so lost in thought about?"

    "Nothing. Everything. Ask Kirk, and tell him thanks
    from me," Lars rushed out as he ran towards the other
    end of the ship, where a small rowboat was waiting to
    take him back to the Valiant.

    After a few endless minutes, he was finally aboard his
    ship, where Jason was waiting for him. "What'd Kirk
    say?"

    "Huh?" Lars frowned, momentarily confused. How did
    Jason know ...? Then, it dawned on him. "Oh, about the
    arm. It's fine, he cleaned it and put a bandage on it
    to keep it from infecting. Look, Jase, can I talk to
    you in private?"

    "Um, yeah, sure, I guess," Jason answered, sounding
    bewildered. He followed Lars to the cabin.

    Once inside, Lars turned to face Jason, and took a deep
    breath. "Listen, ... Kirk told me he ...
    hethinksyou'reinlovewithme." The last part came out in
    one bif rush.

    Jason swore. "Damn Hammett, why can't he ever mind his
    own business?"

    "So, it's true?" Lars insisted.

    "Yeah, it's true," Jason looked down, not meeting Lars'
    eyes.

    "Why didn't you ever tell me?" Lars' tone was soft,
    sweet. It gave Jason the courage to lift his head and
    gaze into his friend's eyes, almost getting lost in the
    emerald depths.

    "Because I was sure you weren't interested in men."

    "Idiot," Lars chided softly, stepping closer to Jason
    until he was pressed against the taller body. "We
    could've had so much longer."

    Jason leaned down and pressed his lips to Lars' own.
    "No regrets," he said. "Let's just make up for all
    those years, okay?"

    Lars grinned against Jason's lips. "Sound like a plan."

    James looked after the Dane, bewildered. What the hell
    was that all about? He went to his cabin, where Kirk
    was putting away his medical equipment. "What did you
    do to Lars?" he asked. "He was acting really weird."

    Kirk smiled secretively. "Oh, nothing. I just made him
    see what was right in front of him."

    James regarded his lover sternly. "Have you been
    playing matchmaker again?" A semi-innocent whistle was
    his only answer. He sighed. "Well, he said to thank
    you, so I guess you've been successful." He shook his
    head in mock tolerance. "Though I really wish you'd
    stay out of people's personal lives."

    "I just can't help it, I want *everyone* to be as happy
    as you're making me." James moved forward and wrapped
    his lover up in his arms.

    "I love you too," he whispered in Kirk's ear. Kirk just
    smiled and lifted his head for a kiss.

    Meanwhile, on an island not that far away, the former
    Lady Rose d'Axl was cleaning out a pig's stall. She was
    not happy. For almost six months now, she'd been the
    slave of an old native woman, forced to live in
    primitive circumstances and do hard labour. "I hate my
    life," she grunted. "God, I wish the old wench would
    just drop dead.

    The 'old wench' was, at that very moment, talking to
    her pig. "Don't worry, Rosie's just cleaning you crib.
    She's young, she can do it, unlike poor old me. Wasn't
    it *so* sweet of my Kirky to give his momma a present
    like that?"

  68. For the record by LunarOne · · Score: 3, Insightful
    explains why he hated Jar Jar Binks so much and what he did.

    My nephews (ages 10 and 12 at the time of Episode I release) loved Jar Jar Binks. I know the character made the movie unpalatable for many adults, but for what it's worth, lots of kids were happy with it.

    Personally, I really don't feel one way or the other about Jar Jar.

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    1. Re:For the record by donglekey · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Going to the lowest common denominator is no excuse. Making crap and shit that people will still buy doesn't make something suddenly stop being shit. Little kids liking it is no excuse.

    2. Re:For the record by daeley · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Little kids liking it is no excuse.

      When it comes to creativity, adults not liking it is no excuse not to do something.

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    3. Re:For the record by prockcore · · Score: 2

      and for the record, I really liked that Disney Zip-a-dee-do-dah movie when I was a kid... that doesn't change the fact that it was offensive. I just didn't understand it.

    4. Re:For the record by jmu1 · · Score: 2

      I'd like to know what was so offensive about either one. Is it _your_ views that make it offensive? I just thought that Jar-jar was a little annoying, then again, I thought that Luke Skywalker was the biggest wuss in the world.

    5. Re:For the record by Erasmus+Darwin · · Score: 2
      "When it comes to creativity, adults not liking it is no excuse not to do something."

      It is if you're trying to keep them as part of your audience. Besides, it's no so much that adults didn't like Jar-Jar, but rather that many of them hated him with a passion. Since Star Wars has always been something that's tried to appeal to everyone, Jar-Jar ruins the film for a number of people.

      Besides, it's been shown time and time again (especially by Pixar) that it's quite possible to create something that appeals to both children and adults. Lucas even had the "magic of Star Wars" providing fans with an incentive to overlook small flaws. But instead, he chose to completely screw things up by sticking a CG version of Barney in the film.

    6. Re:For the record by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      I guess if his goal is to alienate those who followed his first 3 SW movies then yes, he succeeded.

      It is possible to make something that appeals to kids without talking down to them by resorting to cartoonish pratfalls and baby-talk while still retaining the interest of adults.

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  69. Could Ep2 make people change their minds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could Episode 3 make Jar Jar essential and unforgetable?
    what will the phantom editor do then.
    none

  70. foghorn leghorn by jaoswald · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just to clarify: I don't think the voice of Foghorn Leghorn was intended to parody a particular living or dead politician.

    From some random website I found through Google

    Foghorn Leghorn - Large, white windbag of a rooster seen in a number of Warner Brother cartoons over the years. Foghorn Leghorn (inspired by Kenny Delmar's Senator Beauregard Claghorn from Bighorn character, a Deep South politician from THE FRED ALLEN SHOW on radio) premiered in the Warner's animated feature Walky Talky Hawky (1946). His popular catchphrases are "I say, I say there!", "Pay attention, boy!" and "Now listen here!" In his book That's Not all Folks (Warner Books, 1988) Mel Blanc, the voice of this boisterous loudmouth southern rooster, relayed a confusion that arose about the initial inspiration for the voice of Foghorn Leghorn. "Delmar claimed he based the voice not on my (Mel Blanc) character's, but on that of a Texas rancher he'd once hitched a ride from. Bob McKimson claimed Foghorn's voice was derived not from Senator Claghorn's but from someone on another old-time radio program, BLUE MONDAY JAMBOREE. And I claim I first heard the accent at a 1928 vaudeville show at San Francisco's Pantages Theater when I was twenty. As I recall it, in one of the skits an actor played a clownish hard-of-hearing southern sheriff."

    That is, Foghorn Leghorn's voice was based on some vaudeville act, and his name seems to have been derived from a *fictional* senator, the character of which appeared on the Fred Allen Show, whose accent may have been similar.

  71. Agrhhhhh...yahoo... shit I just missed..grhhhhhhh. by Alehandro · · Score: 0

    At last someone did something. All those ooppss... gilging..yahooing...tripping over own legs...stealing apples, useles brrrring, droid pumping trough engine,and other crup together with Jar Jar Binks was pothetic. Remeber episode 4. Thats the only episode Lucas directed and original movie was great. Now mr Lucas relised new edition. Guess what he added. oppses..gigles.. biker pumps in some monste, someone steps in shit. Moronic small things that are distroing a good movie. Star War always was a serious movie. Lucas transformed into kiddy pop culture. Glad someone did something.

  72. Re: Badass Anakin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The whole idea of making Anakin "badass" defeats the purpose of the story. It is often times that the highly intelligent, sensitive, and loving (parting with his mother, etc) succumb to the weaknesses of evil, usual provoked by a sense of fear, then arrogance, anger, and hatred (and, if you remember Yoda, the last in the list is suffering - possibly driven by an internal conflict). It is seldom that a young bully becomes anything more than a sloppy reject in the end, not to mention that it defeats the purpose of character development. His ultimate reign of terror (possibly something we'll see in EP3, and something that most certainly occurs between EP3 and ANH) imposed by Anakin's is his shield of defence from imagined fear. Badass == lame.

  73. Slashdot moderators by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    are humorless twits who take themselves all too seriously and favor Java because they do not understand how to use C++ correctly.

    1. Re:Slashdot moderators by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and favor Java because they do not understand how to use C++ correctly.

      s/correctly/at all/g

  74. Racist Overtones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm an Eastern European Jew and I have a number of mixed Asian (Korean, Japanese, Chinese, and Cambodian) friends, and none of us percieved or interpreted any of the characters as racist statements made by Lucas. In fact, it didn't even occur to us until we read a post much like this one on some stupid message board a year ago.

    Racist? Give me a break.

    PS: strange how Watto is a racist statement against Jews and Natalie Portman is a glorification of them. :/. And yes, Ahmed Best is African American (he consented, didn't he? What about Samuel Jackson?). This racist garbage must be a result of political correctness where being human raises eyebrows.

  75. Point taken by twilight30 · · Score: 2
    The Flash Gordon homage I didn't know about and stand (somewhat) corrected. I still object, however, as the Federation characters were portrayed as being considerably more spineless than they needed to be.

    As far as your giving Lucas the benefit of the doubt is concerned, you're a better person than me. Nonetheless, I do think he was being unconsciously conservative to the point of racism (and I should mention that most of this derives from David Brin's comments on Star Wars):
    • The most craven characters in Episode I are the Trade Fed emissaries and the slave-owner. All they do is act like money-grubbing bastards.
    • The monarchy and aristocracies are noble in character; the democratic ones are decidedly not.
    • In response to your Lion King example, I'll mention this: I know, Samuel L Jackson probably wouldn't take it either. Natalie Portman is in fact Israeli. However, do they have real creative control the way Lucas does? Given the length of time Lucas had to work on the film, isn't it fair to say *someone* would have noticed this? I'm not the biggest SW fan. The bias is subtle, but I believe it is definitely there.


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  76. Uh.... by autopr0n · · Score: 2

    I don't know if this is supposed to be a troll or not, but both Mp3 and OGG support those features.

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    autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
    1. Re:Uh.... by NanoGator · · Score: 2

      No, not trolling. Misinformed maybe, but im not trying to cause trouble.

      What player plays these with variable bit rate features?

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  77. Audio transcript here by ipsuid · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sorry for everyone's mispelled names...

    Kurt: This is Studio 360, at my desk is the film editor Doby Dorn and we're talking about all kinds of editing. Millions of "Star Wars" fans were lukewarm about the 1999 prequel "The Phantom Menace". But one disappointed fan actually did something about it. He calls himself the Phantom Editor. And with his personal computer he entirely recut the movie on video and started giving it away. This new phantom edit has become a global phenomenon thanks to the Internet and we invited him to speak publicly for the first time about why he did what he did.

    [Starwars soundtrack]

    PhantomEditor: The very first day that Phantom Menance premiered that...that afternoon I was thinking "Boy this movie needs a re-edit." I don't know, that afternoon I went up there sat next to a few people who had saw it when they were kidding about bringing their little kid in to see it. I thought "Wow this is really cool." And then the movie started and that sorta went right out the window.

    [Jar-Jar-Binks]

    PhantomEditor: On the screen there was so much extra material on there that I thought if they could remove some of this extra stuff THAT would actually make a better film. It's not that George Lucas didn't have the technology to do what he wanted to do, it's that he did. And somehow the movie became more about the technology then the storytelling aspect of it. The things that I...I was concerned with... uh... in my edit were the story redundancy, the over-abundance of Jar-Jar antics that didn't seem to carry the story forward, and the presentation of Jake Lloyd as Anakin Skywalker.

    [Anikin: "You mean I get to come with you in your staaarshiiip?"]

    PhantomEditor: He ends up being the evil character Darth Vader in the other "Star Wars" movies and the actions don't really seem reflective of that character. The blowing up of the droid control ship within the "Phantom Menace" was actually done as a... you know... an accident, where he hit the button and physically he says the word "Oops" at the end of it during the explosion.

    [Anikin: "oops"]

    PhantomEditor: Instead of letting him be heroic he ends up being a fumbling goof. All the happy accidents are now diminished.

    PhantomEditor: Uh... throughout the whole movie from that battle sequence on Anikan's actions are now motivated by his heroic character. There are no oops's, there are none of the yippee's either...

    [Anikan: "yippppeee!"]

    PhantomEditor: There's an excessive amount of Jar-Jar antics, and what I mean by that, is the little examples which are almost a showpiece for the ILM special effects... where it takes you out of the story lets him participate in some little antic, and then you have to fight to get back into the story again. By removing alot of those things, I am not taking away from the story, I'm actually helping it by keeping people involved.

    [Jar-Jar]

    PhantomEditor: Initially when I did this it was for the audience of me and it really started out pretty harmless. The offering of a few copies to friends, who of course had friends who worked somewhere else who wanted to see it, and it began to get talked about. I mean, there was a point where I was getting over 200 emails a day. The first time I got one from New Zealand, that's what really scared the hell out of me, because I'm like "How did you see this?"

    [Music swell]

    PhantomEditor: First I remained anonymous because I guess that's originally what I wanted to do. You know, it was really a joke between friends, and I'm sure alot of those people knew who I was anyway. But when it got really huge like that it became really overwhelming for somebody like me who had edited this on a low end computer sitting on a $40 computer stand in my apartment. And then I didn't know the legal terms of it. All I knew is that I felt really safe because I wasn't making any profit off of that, but it was becoming aware to me that other people out there were.

    [Deathstar music]

    PhantomEditor: Initially George Lucas had said in public at the MTV awards that he did want to see it. But then later they put out a press statement that he would not ever watch it. Actually, I do think he should watch it. I just think that those people are making movies with their wallets. And might need a little kick in the butt from somebody like me who is completely at the other end of the scale which is similar to the message which is in the "Star Wars" films, that the underdog, the Luke Skywalker character overpowers the Empire.

    [Music swell]

    Kurt: Mike J. Nickels is the phantom editor and our story was produced by Michael May. Dody, you know the phantom editor I understand?

    Dody: Yeah I've met him a couple times, and I have a copy of the "Phantom Edit". Is that what it's called?

    Kurt: That's what it's called yeah.

    Dody: [Laugh] and uhh, but I've never watched it.

    Kurt: What do you think of... of what he's done? I mean the idea of... of a mere civilian taking a piece of, you know, zillion dollar entertainment and... and by his lights improving it?

    Dody: Well, uhm, I think if it's an irrepressable urge.. uh.. uh.. there's no reason why somebody should stop doing something that's an irrepressable urge. I mean why? Why should he, I mean, he's not try to, as he said, not try to make any profit from it. Uh... I understand the irritation of the person who did make it. I... I understand it. But I don't have an answer for that. I don't really have an answer for whether he... I mean, what are the options? Could they come and put him in jail for having done that? I mean, there are over... over time there are examples of.. of other films... I think it's "Once Upon a Time in America" that had the European version where the time structure was all over the place, and then they made an American version that was... much uhm.. I mean obviously these were the people who owned the film, but I doubt seriously if it was the film-maker who wanted it to completely rearrange the time and made it much shorter. And people were critical of it. So I think when something like that is done that it opens... that its a forum for discussion.

    Kurt: I understand that "Momento" in a European DVD form was in risk, or is going to be reorganized entirely, is that true?

    Dody: Not exactly, uhm... the... I think it's the DVD release in England has an easter egg on it where you can play the film in forward chronology and Chris and I actually have never put the film in forward chronology. So while we were working on "Insomnia" we rented [laugh] the film, and digitized it, and put it in forward chronology. And we were so shocked by the change in how you experience the film; it was a completely different film. Uhm.. the character of.. of Lenard Shelby was now a really bad guy and in the structure that is Chris's design, he is someone who is avenging his wife's horrible murder. So he is a sympathetic character all the way through. And part of the purpose of that in telling the story that Chris wanted to tell is that it is an anti-revenge revenge tale. Because you spend the whole film thinking this is a good guy that we have empathy with who is going to avenge his wife's murder and at the end, or the middle of the story you realize, oh, maybe he is just a psycho.

    Dody: And then it makes you question, I'd like to think it makes you question, the whole idea of revenge. Ah... because it's suddenly your perspective has shifted.

    Kurt: And when you re-edited it as technology allows us to do and put it in the normal straight forward fasion, it's like you turn a beautiful, amazing, oragami construction into a... just a piece of paper.

    Dody: Right, exactly, and it felt suddenly just like a... uh... uh... low rent, you know, film noir.

    Kurt: Dody Dorn, thank you very much for joining me today in Studio 360.

    Dody: Been alot of fun.

    Kurt: Starting next month, you can see Dody Dorn's work in the new movie by Christopher Noland "Insomnia". It stars, Al Pacino, Hillary Swank, and Robert Williams. For more information about Dody Dorn, or about anything else you've heard on our program, visit our website, studio360.org.

    Kurt: Studio 360 is produced by WNYC along with PRI, public radio international. The production team includes, Julie Berstein, Cary Hillman, Peter Clowny, Jocelyn Gonzolas, Steve Nelson, Michelle Speagle, Lisal Muhas, Andy Lancet, Lou Alcasky, Micheal Rayfield. The music is by David Vantiegams. I'm Kurt Anderson, and I do hope you'll join us next week in Studio 360.

    Announcer: Studio 360 is co-produced by WNYC radio and public radio international, and is supported by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, The National Endowment for the Arts, the Tiffany and Company Foundation, and the Horith W. Goldsmith Foundation.

    [PRI sound]

    ... transcription by ipsuid.
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    1. Re:Audio transcript here by ngc1365 · · Score: 1

      Did Mr. PhantomEditor actually say "alot?" Kind of ran it together real quick? ;)

    2. Re:Audio transcript here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for providing the transcript, ipsuid.

  78. *sigh* by autopr0n · · Score: 3, Funny

    If only the terrorists had called it 'opperation jar jar' or something, to make jar jar 'emotionaly resonate' or whatever.

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    1. Re:*sigh* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm, Operation Jar Jar.

      How do you know that they don't think Jar Jar runs this damn country. Hell, with all this crap about "we need to change this or that, or even the PATRIOT Bill that went thru, I'm starting to think that most Americans are really nothing more than retards who actually believe the shit the media feeds them day in and day out.

      How may of you remember the early days of the World Wide Web (for thoe who don't know what this is-- I'll use a "catch phrase" -- the "Information SuperHighway" -- You know, the one that Gore "father of the internet" said he created).. Remember when you didn't have to worry about 3 million popups trying to sell you crap when you went to search engine to look for something? Remember when it seemed easier to find what you were looking for, without running into a bunch of porn sites, pages run by kooks, etc?

      Where am I going with this? (bear with me for a minute)

      Ever look at the figures of how many Americans are hooked up to the Internet? Then look at the commercialization of it. How many of these people can actually tell you the internet is MORE than the World Wide Web (chat rooms, porn, streaming audio, etc. etc.etc)? At the same time, look at how much more crap is stuffed down our throats. MSN, Yahoo, etc. all feed you crap in addition to the search engine that lures people there.

      I'm not going to go any further with this rant. Draw your own conclusions.

  79. Re: Badass Anakin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Badass == lame.

    Great. You stick with Lucas and his elfin little heroes. The rest of us will be watching The Phantom Edit, drinking beers, fucking chicks, smashing cars and otherwise having a good time.

  80. Just watched 1.1. really impressed.... by Alehandro · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I just watched 1.1. I think we should all send 10$ each to that guy so he can get himself dual 1Gig G4 Mac and redo it at maximum quality. (You can notice slowdowns when high action frames were rendered)Thats the way SW 1 should be in the first place. I was amaized how much you can change a movie just doing a cuts and taking out some of the voices. Still he missed one yahooooo....:))) (in racing scene when JarJar screms "here hi comes....yahoooo"). JarJar is now really serios. and Anaken is more serious. Movie looks much mode dynamic like old SW were. Amaizing job.!

  81. hey i didnt say your wrong by Buzz_Litebeer · · Score: 1

    Hey, just because jewish people have owned the actual land longer in recorded history means nothing. or that they had been living there a very long time until the ottoman empire came along, i think the expulsion of the jews during the ottoman empire was a good thing, the fact that it allowed the time when jewish people reclaimed their land from thousands of years before that they had no right to it, because the turkish empire had decried that right.

    I completely agree that even though the ottoman empire (because they supported austrian in ww1) lost there land to the british, who, seeing the two varied populations (remember the jewish had been heavily emigrating BACK to israel there homeland from biblical times since 1880) seperated the land into two portions a palestinian and jewish part.

    immediately after official british control in the situation the arab nations of jordan and egypt who controled the west bank and gaza strip respectively (remember palestein hasnt actually existed except for a very very very long time ago) they lost those areas, which allowed the israelis to recapture 85% of the land ceded the british in the defeat of the turks in ww1.

    I beleive the genocide of the israeli jewish people should have succeded (since this was the well documented attempt by Jordan, Egypt, and Syria) we would not be having this problem, since there would be no palestien, israel would now be Jordan, and or Jordan, Syria, Egypt division. with no jewish people at all.

    I mean if you look at the PLO (or PA) the flag is the same as jordans with the absence of a star, since PLO are actually a jordan faction that were left in israel, and the PLO's whole ideal was to destroy the israelis that were there.

    I mean because they are dirty jews we can conveniently forget the fact that jewish and arabic peoples coexisted simultaniously from 1880 to 1946 in peace, and there was no "major" conflict between the two, until the jewish lobbied for an israeli government with the british at the end of ww1.

    I cant forgive the stupid dirty jews for defending themselves when it was granted and then captureing strategicly important areas such as the gaza strip and the west bank. And i cant beleive these stupid jews even went so far as put forth a hand recently in being ready to accept the peace by ceding these two areas. Luckily the palestinians havent been swayed by the "peace process" which would allow them to live together in harmony, because they should destroy the jews, and the jews should die because they are illegal and have no right to live in the widely accepted relatively ancient homeland, i mean shit its not like they built jerusalem or anything lol.

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    1. Re:hey i didnt say your wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So far you've displayed ignorance, racism and general stupidity. I can't decide if you're a right-wing facist, just a dumb troll, or both.

      Either way, I find it sad that people of your intelligence consider themselves smart and knowledgeable. Reading your posts makes me want to weep.

    2. Re:hey i didnt say your wrong by Buzz_Litebeer · · Score: 1

      I was trying to make a point, and it is trolling to an extent. I have read much on the history of israel and the area around there. I once read an interesting book called "Exodus" which made me more interested in the history. I replied in the way i did to make a point, the current palestinian voice is a racist one. They see israelis in general as the reason for the plight they are in. AT LEAST THE ONES THAT HAVE POLITICAL POWER. in the world of politics when the only people you have speaking for you are organizations that are bent on the distruction of a people, then that is all you have a voice in reality. Regardless of the fact that a majority of palestinians might want it to stop (which by popularity polls of there leaders is not evident) it doesnt matter simply because the leaders in power beleive that the only way for a liberated palestien is to remove israel.

      You cannot excpect the israelis to give up what they generally regard as there homeland, nor could you ask the american people to give up montana to the crow indians because they want it back and have decided to begin suicide bombing. Israel got the land legitametly, naming themselves a nation is just as legitamite as the republic of congo declaring itself a nation after defeating the goverment of zaire. The israelis, jewish, people have been there relatively just as long as anyone else, and by the same right that any current country has to exist they now have a very large amount of land. if you think simply because we are in 2002 instead of 702 that we are more civilized that no new countrys can be created then you are sorrowfully misguided. Israel has every right to declare themselves a country, by national income, and even by right of force. you may feel sorry for the former jordanians (who were controlled by jordan for a short period until jordan , egypt, syria decided to launch an attack on israel) so israel defended themselves, and took the land. They own it now, just like the united states owns texas, or hawaii. Just like the united states owns any of its land for that matter, and any current government, simply because they did it a much l

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    3. Re:hey i didnt say your wrong by Buzz_Litebeer · · Score: 1

      continued comp screwed up and it pasted

      simply becaues they did it much longer ago. I cannot fault a new country being made simply because they do it now instead of 300 years ago. People are not liking it now, and they want to support a group of people who in essence got shafted, but they are no more shafted then they attempted to shaft israel, if someone with a lot of big friends (lets call them bullies) attempt to beat the crap out of you, and you lay them all on there backs and take there jackets (which they stole from you several years ago) and then have uou feel sorry for them or expect to heed people saying "give back that jacket because it is theres" when you used to own the jacket, is not going to sway you from keep ing the jacket is it?

      Or maybe you beleive the bullies action in throwing rocks at you and bruising you is justified cause you took there jackets from them.

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    4. Re:hey i didnt say your wrong by MentalPunisher2001 · · Score: 1

      Except that in YOUR example, Israel would be a closer analogy to the indians in Montana reclaiming their "historic" homeland.
      I'm sure Native Americans have just as much "history" in Montana as the Jews do in Israel.

      It's all nonsense.

    5. Re:hey i didnt say your wrong by Buzz_Litebeer · · Score: 1

      Native americans would have a greater claim over the land than jewish people or arabs, since the land was populated by other people non jew or arab before the jewish were there.

      Jewish people have been in israel only as long as they have been free from slavery from the pharohs of egypt. Arabs since after the roman empire fell.

      Americans, like israelis, took there land from the previous residents, the israelis just had it taken by others then reclaimed at a much later date. They are just as legitimate a country as the united states, or iraq, or just about any other country in the world, they won there country, declared themselves a state, and have a government that regulates trade and polices its citizens. They did it in the general fasion that a country gets made, people just dont stand around and say "hey we would like to be a country" and someone goes "ok here you go", it actually sorta happpened that way, but they had to fight to keep it, and there are very few countries in the world that can say that they havent had to go through such hardships.

      For example, british empire was no more "illegal" than israel taking palestien, they didnt ask for permission, they held what they had because they had the best soldiers at the time. The people of the areas eventually rebelled against it, and britain lost control, but they didnt have the problem on there own turf either, im sure if someone had tried to declare a large chunk of shoreline in britain there home land because of some ancient saxon ancestory they felt made them different, the people involed would have shortly ceased to exhist.

      This is how things are done in the world, but to give legitimacy for one of two sides that are attempting to do the same basic thing to the other, you can't just throw your towel in with the underdog, especially when the underdog has quite clearly lost, and has resorted to suicide bombing instead of compromise.

      Someone mentioned that compromise would be an important goal, the problem is i have seen, even very recently, the israeli government officially hold there hand out for compromise when given the option to become a legitimate nation, instead they got there hands blown off (figurativly) by hieghtened suicide bombing, i am sure YOU would want to continue a peace process when even if you "succeded" on paper, the main problem (terrorist groups) would not go away, the big thing about deals and compromises is that something is gained by both sides.

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  82. LotR racist?!? by fewl · · Score: 1

    Considering the Lord of the Rings trilogy is an allegory for the Christian mythos, you're pretty much saying that Christianity is racist as well. Light is symbolic for good, darkness for evil. I have yet to see a dark-skinned christian arguing for the opposite (dark = good, light = bad) because of the "racist undertones." And when you get into the third book, Saruman the WHITE turns out to be really bad (taking over the shire, etc.) so your argument doesn't really hold up there either.

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    1. Re:LotR racist?!? by Jim+the+Bad · · Score: 1
      The some total of said allegory is: "It's a story about a powerless individual who triumphs over powerful evil."

      Tolkien's claim that this makes his book a christian allegory fails on two obvious counts:

      1: This is in no way an allegory for the christian legend. In the Jesus story, Jesus is either the son of god or the living incarnation of god (depending on the flavour of christianity). Either way, this makes him the most powerful man in the universe. Far from triumphing over evil, he fails to triumph over anything very much, and the story ends with his grisly and pointless death.

      2: If this were considered a christian allegory, then so would about half the stories ever written.

      I've never understood this claim of Tolkien's. Perhaps he just said it to make C.S. Lewis happy! :)

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  83. Jar Jar Binks = Black Face ? by Augusto · · Score: 2

    Sorry, but the one that sounds like a racist here is you , since you are saying black people look like Amphibian aliens from the swamps of Naboo.

    Please get a grip.

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  84. I never understood by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 1
    why some people had a problem with Anakin not being evil or dark in TPM.

    He's a 10 year old boy for Christ's sake

    Isn't the whole point that he gets lured over to the Dark Side? If he was evil to begin with it would be kind of crap wouldn't it?

    1. Re:I never understood by cryptogryphon · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You don't know many ten year old boys, do you?

    2. Re:I never understood by jgerman · · Score: 2
      I agree, like Hitler was was running around as a kid hurling invectives and the children on the next block and invading those neighborhoods around him.


      Anakin is a child, and furthermore he is Lucas's creation, he can do what he wants. If you don't like it, don't watch it, right?


      The attitude that a lot of people have is that they have a right to Star Wars, that somehow they created it and are the one who should decide how it should progress. That's just wrong. I have no problem with people saying: It would be better if..., or I really didn't like... That's all part of being a fan, but taking it to extremes? Number one it'sjust a movie, number two, it's not even YOUR movie.


      I'm suprised that this guy is getting away with this edit. Doesn't it say at the beginning of the movie that it cannot be redistibuted in any form? Even if it didn't this is obviously a case of copyright infringement. (Assuming you believe that copyright law is worth anything that is). Why hasn't Lucas gone after him?

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    3. Re:I never understood by ProfBooty · · Score: 1

      Granted starwars is fantasy, but some of the stuff with a ten year old kid requires more than a complete suspension of disbelief, for example a kid who has most likely never flown a spaceship somehow can control it reasonabily compently, just happens to blow up the mothership by mistake etc.

      I guess the controls were perfectly sized for a 10 year old (I don't think most ten year olds have legs that can reach the pedals in most cars, let alone see above the steering wheel). Besides, I doubt knowing how to steer a racing car (the pod racer) carries over to much to a spaceship which moves in 3 dimensions).

      don't give me any of this force crap, i don't think the force is going to compensate for a body that isn't the right size to operate a ship. The whole thing would have been more believeable if they had anakin as a 15 or 16 year old kid instead of 10. besides isn't there a big age difference between 10 year old anakin and the princess who is maybe 17-19?

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    4. Re:I never understood by jgerman · · Score: 2

      Yeah the age difference stuck me as odd too, although if Anakin is 10 and you put the princess a little younger, 14 or so it's not too bad. I don't think they ever really say how old the princess is. She's obviously older, the question is how much.

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  85. Racist undertones in LotR by Wraithlyn · · Score: 3, Interesting
    "i also thought lotr has some racist undertones as well...i mean, the book is especially bad on this score, equating darkness of skin with evil"

    This is what Sam thinks about the body of a dark skinned Southron warrior who fought and died for Sauron:

    He wondered what the man's name was and where he came from; and if he was really evil of heart, or what lies or threats had led him on the long march from his home; and if he would not really rather have stayed there in peace.

    -Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, p687
    I think that shows pretty clearly that Tolkien wasn't equating darkness of skin with evil. After all, plenty of fair skinned men fought for Sauron as well.
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  86. explanation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    He felt like he had to explain why he hated Jar-jar?

    Eesa posters gwana troll?

  87. The difference here... by JimPooley · · Score: 2

    ...is that George Lucas is of course incredibly rich and famous, where this Phantom Editor guy is a nobody.
    Call me when he makes something of his own.

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    1. Re:The difference here... by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      He got your attention so I'd say he was somebody.

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  88. where do you draw the line? by luciensims · · Score: 1


    far from being amazed at lucas, i have to say that i'm pretty amazed at how hyper-sensitive you guys (and most of america) seem to be. this is kind of OT, since i'm not referring specifically to SW or JarJar, but these comments on the page.

    when you have a specific agenda, you can generally find something to be angry about. going out of your way to create something that couldn't possibly be offensive to anyone leads to boring characters, and more importantly, a total void in the area of social commentary.

    i'm not saying that a targeted assault can necessarily be explained away as social commentary, but i do think there is merit in reflecting reality rather than some sort of peaceful place where nobody's feelings are ever hurt.

    how far would art in all its forms progress if we stopped anything offensive? and who gets to decide whether it's offensive -- you, me, or my reactionary catholic grandmother? or perhaps jerry falwell? where do you draw the line?

    it seems to me that american culture is increasingly defined by what cannot be done, rather than what can.

    1. Re:where do you draw the line? by (void*) · · Score: 2

      You answered the question yourself. There is a line somewhere and it is subjective. And some people (apparently rational) are offended - the line was crosssed according to some people. And the way you rationalize this is that these people are "hypersensitive". Why do people not turn that question around and ask themselves first: is it fair to criticize these people as hypersensitive? Why should we live in a such a desensitisized world?

    2. Re:where do you draw the line? by luciensims · · Score: 1

      i think it's unreasonable to think that artistic expression can continue, if one expects the artists to cater to the whims of others.

      if scientologists or salespeople are offended because i make my differing opinions public, how is that my problem?

      when people believe they have the right to be protected from alternate opinions and lifestyles, from a reality where not everyone likes to live by the 'family values' set out by any given group, is ridiculous, and leads to lawsuits every time someone's nose gets out of joint.

    3. Re:where do you draw the line? by (void*) · · Score: 2
      The thing is that neither artistic expression is not being curtailed! Nobody is saying: let's go shut George Lucas down becuase he offended someone's sensitivities.


      It turns out that some people do see racism, and have valid examples from TPM to back that up.


      Other people say this is being too sensitive and chose to ignore the point that this is subjective.


      So let's just look at the whole issue holistically, and leave it at that.


      My concern is this: what is the point of shutting up the sensitive people? If you shut them up, then you run the risk that in the future, some genuinely offensive piece of crap will offend you, and then you will find that you are in very poor copmany. Then you will have to be shut up. That's not freedom of speech!

    4. Re:where do you draw the line? by weatherbee · · Score: 1
      My concern is this: what is the point of shutting up the sensitive people?

      To save us all from their incessant whining, obviously.

  89. Parent offtopic? WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stupid moderators! I want to see a text transcript, too! (Couldn't find one on the site.)

    1. Re:Parent offtopic? WTF? by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 2
      I'd like a transcript, too, please. Anyone? Or some open format?

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  90. DVD "Re-edit" standard by CaseyB · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The idea behind the Phantom Edit is really cool, but downloading an entire movie is both redundant (if I own the DVD already) and has obvious sticky legal issues.

    It'd be nice to define a way to re-edit a film from DVD footage, such that you can redistribute the edit as simple "score" information. You just list the edit segments as references to timed slices of the original data. The resulting file would be tiny, and you're not sharing any copyrighted information. When you "play" the edit, the DVD player just skips around the source movie playing the edits in order.

    More complicated editing techniques like the separation of audio and video tracks (to maintain music continuity for instance) could be implemented by having separate edit information for each. The player software must become a little smarter at this point though.

    This mechanism could also be used to implement the "amateur commentaries" that Ebert talked about a little while back. You just include the commentary information in a separate file, which would be much smaller as you would have to provide only the actual commentary, not all the "dead air" between comments. The edit score would play the appropriate comment at the right time, with nice crossfading if you prefer.

    1. Re:DVD "Re-edit" standard by jmu1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Although a great idea, it'll never happen so long as certain people in positions of power are allowed to trampse on the rights of the consumer. They don't understand that the entertainment experience doesn't end where the original does... it never ends as long as it is allowed to be manipulated, twisted and mangled to the mind's delight.
      I doubt that Kevin Smith minds when someone quotes his movie in an appropriate situation(comical). I also doubt that Lucas would mind if I made a tape of some kids playing with sticks and acting out jedi fight scenes, submit it to a film festival, and made money from it... would he?

  91. Buzz. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, you do have valid points. You shouldn't hammer them into everyone the way you are doing, but you do have valid points. Israel has a right to exist, but at the same time, the Palestinians have a right to live on certain sections of that land. A compromise needs to be reached, and that's what politics is all about. You have a thing about Israel having the right to that land. Sure, agreed, but since the Palestinians do not like what's happening, surely you don't disagree with the fact that they have a right to at least some say in the matter?

  92. Uh.... that's the point? by MemeRot · · Score: 1

    Amazingly I thought it was about the Phantom Edit of Episode I. As in the movie that came out a long time ago? All I have to whine about is people that don't read articles and then flame others....

  93. subtitles by ProfBooty · · Score: 2

    Why didn't they make use of subtitles in this movie. It would have been just as effective in conveying peoples messages (it was used for most of the aliens in the original trilogy). In the original 3 movies the only accents you seemed to hear were british and american(with the brits being the bad guys i.e. the empire). Perhaps it seems that the movie was aimed at a younger audience, perhaps one that can't read subtitles indstead of anas an older one, and accents had to be used to differentiate one group from another.

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  94. Old Man and the Sea? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Old Man and the Sea? UGH!!! I HATE that book!

  95. Re: Badass Anakin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So you're saying he goes from being Oliver Twist to Heinrich Himmler? That doesn't make a lot of sense.

  96. thinly veiled racism / parody by Mike_L · · Score: 1

    The trade federation in The Phantom Menace was making fun of the Chinese government, not the Japanese.

    -Mike_L

  97. Not really racist... by Lispy · · Score: 1

    cause at least Lucas isults all people equally.

    cu,
    Lispy

  98. You typed that whole thing in? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, the things people will do for a few Karma points! :-P

  99. EDL EDL EDL! by morgue-ann · · Score: 1

    It's called an edit decision list and despite jmu1's wierd response, should be perfectly legal.

    The studio's support or even permission should not be needed because the distributed file as CaseyB suggests would contain none of the original movie.

    You would need to use DeCSS to make an unencrypted mpeg-2 file, but people who make EDLs and the tools to parse them need not be involved in that.

    Video editing tools that parse standard format EDLs (Discreet's "edit" supports CMX, GVG & Sony formats) already exist, but tend to be the expensive ones. The cheap ones (I use Cinestream (EditDV) from discreet (used to be Radius, Digital Origin, Media 100)) only use proprietary formats.

    The EDL parser would be fairly simple because it doesn't need to be a full-blown editor and deal with a bunch of files; it would only have one very long "daily" to work from. It might have to create new I frames if cuts occur on B or P frames. Much simpler than a full-blown editor like edit.

    A tool to convert human-readable EDLs to CMX ones would enable people to watch a movie on a regular-ol' DVD player, make notes of the in & out point times & just type 'em into an email message to someone who knows how to run the re-processor.

    Damn, this sounds like a fun project.

    -M

    1. Re:EDL EDL EDL! by morgue-ann · · Score: 1

      Of course the hippest way to play DVDs with new edits would be with a frame-accurate playlist interpreted in realtime by the DVD player instead of having to build a whole new file.

      I'm on Windows, though, so can't hack my DVD player source.

      Hmmmm... why is open source cool again?

  100. Re: Badass Anakin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I advise you to read Himmler's biography first before you open that hole in your face. It doesn't look like you know much at all about human behavior at all. It makes perfect sense.

    (Re: entry prior to this: wtf?? I don't think the feminists would be too happy :-/).

  101. Re:OT: Memento by p3d0 · · Score: 1

    In my copy, I can't seem to watch the whole movie chonologically; I can only watch one scene at a time. The "feature" is simply that they present you a list of scenes in chronological order.

    Did you just hit "play" and watch the whole thing?

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  102. Re: Badass Anakin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Elfin heroes", eh? Sounds like you don't like Tolkien. (I believe the term you were looking for was "dwarf-like"). Fucking chics, eh? Hmmmm. . It seems that a great deal of "Adults" need to mature to the level of children. How sad and tragic.

  103. Well said. by GPS+Pilot · · Score: 1

    I am glad though, that they didn't throw in a token black character. They were dealing with small isolated populations. You likely wouldn't get someone with a really different skin color so it'd be a blatant "Don't hate us, here's your token minority" gesture. Now on the other hand, if they'd made (for instance) the wood elves dark (or the Rivendell ones) that would have made some sense because they were a seperate population. But it's unthinking knee-jerk PC gestures that stick out like a sore thumb.

    Yes. Like having a black Vulcan in Star Trek: Voyager.

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  104. uh, winamp by autopr0n · · Score: 2

    Well, I know winamp supports vbr. And OGG has vbr as part of the standard.

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  105. You racist! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That black guy only got the part because he was the best man for it!

    You big racist!