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IMSAI Series Two

Dino writes "You can actually pre-order a new IMSAI here. These folks bought the rights to produce the IMSAI in the late seventies, and provided the unit used in Wargames. It has a genuine S100 bus, but also has modern features as well, the most interesting being a driver that will allow you to access an ATX motherboard via the parallel port as a disk drive."

260 comments

  1. Why? by grytpype · · Score: 1

    I don't really get this, but I suppose some people might be into it.

    Let me know when they port Linux to it.

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    1. Re:Why? by TheKubrix · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you had read the specs you would know it does support Linux.... The PC software support includes a small software "server" that uses the native DOS/Windows/Linux file system to store files.

    2. Re:Why? by bluethundr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Some people are into computers because they have a pure thirst for knowledge. These people learn things that are useful, and things that are useless...its all part of the same continuum for these people. To those that do, computers are toys. They may be apt to learn php or AmigaDOS. This doesn't mean they often will forego something useLESS at the expense of learning something useFULL. But time permitting, its fun to tinker... It used to be that the computer field was filled with enthusiasts who knew their shit. But ever since the unwashed masses learned there was a paycheck attached to this knowlege, the industry was inundated with carpetbaggers who don't know what the fuck they are doing. But these carpetbaggers get jobs anyway, because they have MCSEs or A(asshole)+ certs... So are you just collecting a paycheck, bub? I would assume not, or I doubt you would be on this site. Which is why I am a little puzzled, I suppose...

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    3. Re:Why? by Meowharishi · · Score: 1

      This gadget looks pretty cool for nostalgic devices but I fail to see how it justifies a $995 price tag. Is there something particuarly "special" about this machine that would entice me to shell out the $$?

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    4. Re:Why? by elsegundo · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, it doesn't support linix as an OS, but uses a parallel port to use an ATX motherboard using Linux as a disk drive.

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    5. Re:Why? by dangermouse · · Score: 2, Informative
      Hi. I'm into computers because I have a "pure thirst for knowledge". I try new things for the sheer hell of it. I'm not in it for the money.

      I'm also not in the least bit interested in this IMSAI toy, in part because it's useless. Stick me in the "whatever floats your boat" camp along with the guy you're responding to.

      What you don't seem to understand is that the phrase "unwashed masses" is generally used sarcastically, to mock people who have an elitist attitude like yours. "Carpetbagger" is used similarly nowadays, to mock the unreasonably resentful. You can't imagine how amusing it is to see you use both terms without a trace of sarcasm.

    6. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with him. Does that mean I'm arrogant too? You've never seen an IT carpetbagger? Trust me, they're no myth.

    7. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, "unwashed masses" is used BY elitists to distainfully refer to anyone that does not meet the requirements to be One Of Them . .

      Of course, if you had a better grasp of English idioms instead of being, well one of the "unwashed masses" . . :)

    8. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ooops . . I replied to the wrong message !

      Guess I'm one of the "unwashed" too ! :)

    9. Re:Why? by TheAwfulTruth · · Score: 2

      What a strange grouping of words. Lots of rage, lots of bigotry.

      I have a tremendous thirst and drive for knowledge. I'm all over cutting edge tech. I am learning something new all the time. New programs, new coding practices, new languages, new hardware, new OSes. All the time. Always have and always will.

      Yet this is just a waste of time. Time better spent on kepping up with what's current. Working on what's next. Producing something new.

      All this and yes, I earn a large salary doing it. Guess I don't fit into your little peg holes you've defined for everyone. I'd bet that though maybe some people do, most don't fit your narrow, bigoted, hateful view of the world. And that's a good thing!

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    10. Re:Why? by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Actually, "unwashed masses" is NEVER used by elitists anymore. It's invariably spoken in a sarcastic tone of voice; nobody would ever actually use it seriously.

    11. Re:Why? by Patrick13 · · Score: 1

      seems like most the the "thirsty" are more likely to be unwashed than the "carpet baggers". I have never met a knowledge junky who wouldn't forgo a bath in order to a get a piece of hardware or code working.

      or get to the next level of doom... ;P

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    12. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, the most amusing post in the whole thread is a troll!

    13. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you know elitists never use the term? What kind of basis in reality does this comment have?

      I've heard people use the expression to refer to customers for christ's sake. Are you trying to tell me that wasn't in an elitist frame of mind?

    14. Re:Why? by bluethundr · · Score: 1

      "You can't imagine how amusing it is to see you use both terms without a trace of sarcasm." Oh! You are absolutely right. Gosh was I being SUCH a silly ass !!! I should be lashed for being the mongoloid that I am! I should've known how efective posting messages on a site is at conveying sarcasm...It has absolutely nothing to do with the subtlties of inflection or tone of voice or facial expression or clever use of html.

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    15. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, no change there then...

    16. Re:Why? by newerbob · · Score: 1
      But these carpetbaggers get jobs anyway, because they have MCSEs or A(asshole)+ certs...

      HA HA HA HA! We laugh at those pieces of paper? How about a Ph.D. (or at least a Master's degree)? Then you're getting somewhere.

      There's a lot of totem pole above you, chief!

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    17. Re:Why? by bluethundr · · Score: 1

      "Dude, just about everybody on this site is 'unwashed'" *snif*whew! You mean it isn't me throwing up that funk! whew! Actually, I could kinda use a breathmint... "On second thought, maybe you should feel bad." I do! I have one mutherfuckin' bad case of halitosis and NO breathmints!

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    18. Re:Why? by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2

      As you seem to imply, I bet a real degree has a lot more weight to it in the "real" world than a certification paper. I don't know if I'd give a rip about certifications, in the end I guess degrees are pieces of paper too, if one doesn't have what it takes to thrive in the real world, it doesn't matter what the degree is.

    19. Re:Why? by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2

      Completely useless. Of course it would be, to someone like yourself. You are indeed what the parent poster was describing.

      Things I can think of to do with one of these:

      #1 Learn a little about the history of computing. People like yourself never seem to realize, that computers almost resemble biology, with all the different species and relationships. It's quite easy to have an interest in what part these machines played...

      #2 Teach. Grade schoolers, since obivously any older than that, and they'll be too stupid to appreciate it. Shame we couldn't have got to you in early childhood, you might have turned out better than this...

      #3 Learn assembly language on a CPU that is a bit simpler than your modern superpipelined "no one can keep track of it" predictive scheduling and execution chip. Of course, someone like yourself would have no interest in that either. Also would apply to teaching the same.

      #4 Learn electronics and circuit design. Teach it. Sure, I want to do my own custom PCI cards, but this would be a great way to start learning. Though IEEE 696 did have some funky power requirements... may also be a +5/+12v version of the bus. Dunno.

      #5 Provide a break from having to use the generic and boring winbox that everyone is forced to use all the time. (Note: For others. For myself I have a nice collection to play with.)

      #6 Annoy stupid fucks like yourself, who will never get it. Yes, I'll openly admit it. It's not by accident we antagonize morons like yourself, we actually like it. It's the one tolerable thing about your entire existence. I mean, you've all but admitted that you and those like you commandeered our hobby and occupation because of decent paychecks, and then have the audacity to insult what little is left of it. If we can't torture you, then the world is even less bareable.

      And this is just what I could come up with, off the top of my head. Calling this machine useless is not just inaccurate, but a lie. Then again, claiming you have a pure thirst for knowledge is even more blatant, I suppose. I mean, most if not all knowledge seems useless at first, it's only later you discover how it can help you. Who knows what insight you're losing, that you might have if you used an IMSAI for a few weeks or months.

    20. Re:Why? by Afrosheen · · Score: 2

      I had a friend who had the same problem. She said after she quit tossing salads it went away. Might want to give it a shot.

    21. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The price is probably a combination of being built in small quantity along with all those toggle switches and LEDs on the front of the box.

    22. Re:Why? by dangermouse · · Score: 2
      Whee! Here we go...

      #1 Learn a little about the history of computing. People like yourself never seem to realize, that computers almost resemble biology, with all the different species and relationships. It's quite easy to have an interest in what part these machines played...

      On the contrary, it's pretty fucking obvious to anyone with any interest in computing that there's an almost biological heredity tree to the machines and the organizations built around them. I don't see how shelling out $1000 for an example of an outdated machine helps you to understand that. I managed to grasp the idea of man's evolution without buying a fully-functional Neanderthal skeleton. Didn't you?

      #2 Teach. Grade schoolers, since obivously any older than that, and they'll be too stupid to appreciate it. Shame we couldn't have got to you in early childhood, you might have turned out better than this...

      Nice barb, but let's pretend you're not just being an asshole and look at your point: Sure, it's swell as a teaching aid. I'll admit I hadn't considered that. I currently have no use for such a teaching aid, as I have no kids and my friends either have a decent grasp of basic computing or just aren't interested. Besides, if they were, they could buy their own damned $1000 learning aid.

      #3 Learn assembly language on a CPU that is a bit simpler than your modern superpipelined "no one can keep track of it" predictive scheduling and execution chip. Of course, someone like yourself would have no interest in that either. Also would apply to teaching the same.

      I actually did have some interest in learning assembly language for a simple CPU, just to get a feel for how the machine works at that level. Guess what? I did it in a fucking emulator, like everyone else born after 1970. Get the fuck over yourself.

      #4 Learn electronics and circuit design. Teach it. Sure, I want to do my own custom PCI cards, but this would be a great way to start learning. Though IEEE 696 did have some funky power requirements... may also be a +5/+12v version of the bus. Dunno.

      Sure, that could be cool. I'm not so much interested in building hardware, but knock yourself out.

      #5 Provide a break from having to use the generic and boring winbox that everyone is forced to use all the time. (Note: For others. For myself I have a nice collection to play with.)

      This is my point. Use it for what? The reason this machine was dead was that it wasn't capable of handling modern computing needs. It had its time, I'm sure it was swell, but we've moved on. If you just want it for your collection, that's cool, but don't pretend it's particularly useful.

      #6 Annoy stupid fucks like yourself, who will never get it. Yes, I'll openly admit it. It's not by accident we antagonize morons like yourself, we actually like it. It's the one tolerable thing about your entire existence. I mean, you've all but admitted that you and those like you commandeered our hobby and occupation because of decent paychecks, and then have the audacity to insult what little is left of it. If we can't torture you, then the world is even less bareable.

      That's a pretty sad state of affairs. I'm not annoyed by your toy computer. I'm not annoyed that you think it's the shit and want to show it off. What annoys me is the holier-than-thou attitude you've adopted for no reason other than your own amusement. You're a textbook asshole, irrespective of my opinion of your toys. If you think you're torturing me, I don't know what to tell you... you're a pathetic dick, but that's hardly nails on a chalkboard to me.

      There's a lot of knowledge out there, and I don't feel any need to pursue whatever knowledge this blinky box can give me. I've got other projects, and I'm on them and learning from them. If it offends you personally that I don't share the same interests that you do, that's a damn shame; but to think it reflects on me is the most twisted wishful thinking I've seen in some time.

      Like I said, whatever floats your boat. Your buddy was the one who lashed out without provocation, not me.

    23. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe I should clarify: Nobody who realizes how arrogant that phrase sounds-- which is damn near everyone who's literate-- uses it other than sarcastically.

    24. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm an A+, I'm an asshole. That's a great corralation. We get jobs because we are willing to learn, fuckwit.

    25. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know... These guys peddling the IMSAI seem like carpet baggers to me... albeit anachronistic.

      You seem to subscribe to a derivative of Plato's "Life not studied is not worth living" idea. But I like to subscribe to Emerson's revised theory that because life is short you should pick and choose only the things seem worthwhile, disregarding the rest. Of course this can be construed in a monetary way, but then again, not!

      If you care to play around with whatever's thrown at you, fine, more power to you. But I choose to ignore the IMSAI because realistically it's not interesting to me, useless, and yeah, it doesn't bring me money. As a matter of fact, it costs too much money to play around with it.

      And finally, I am a CCIE, so you can say I'm one of those asshole carpet baggers, but I do know what I'm doing. In my sphere of existence the only assholes are those who go around criticizing how one lives, or worse yet telling them how to live.

    26. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      A certificate transfers trust from the (well-known) certificate issuer to the (as-yet-unknknown) holder of that certificate.

      Q: So, where does that put a Microsoft Certified Software Engineer?

      A: Right next to the guy with the gourmet-chef diploma from McDonalds.

    27. Re:Why? by SN74S181 · · Score: 1

      Wow! A textbook example of a flamer.

      I didn't think your sort ever left the alt.* groups on Usenet.

    28. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dino here...
      The fact that I know your handle is an ALU without looking it up means I certainly have a different take on what is interesting. This news article certainly showed a couple different sorts of folks. Really... maybe I'm being simplistic, but the comments really do seem to fall into those that "get it" and those that don't. If you don't see value in having the real guts of a computer accessible, then you simply will not understand the value of the IMSAI. Personally, I go further still and solder point-to-point. I want to see the actual wire and solder it pin-to-pin. I'm sure many wouldn't get that. I don't see a big distinction on grokking hardware and the IMSAI, or grokking Operating Systems and Linus' kernel. Really, these share thirst for the details. How does it work? How can I do that myself? Once you slap a BIOS on the motherboard and on 5 periphierals, have dozens of slave CPUs, surface mount chips, etc. and then add a modern OS on top of all of that, it is quite difficult to understand (Own!!!) the technology.

  2. The thingy is kewl by S810 · · Score: 1

    I like the fact that they give you an emulator to play with until you can ever afford the real thing!

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  3. Linux port? by elsegundo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Where is the obligatory Linux port?

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    1. Re:Linux port? by slickwillie · · Score: 3, Funny

      What Linux port? I'm hoping they offer CP/M 2000 or CP/M XP.

  4. Oh! Oh! Dibs! by Cognitive+Dissident · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Can you make a Beowulf cluster of them???

  5. hmm, i wonder by Karma+Star · · Score: 2, Funny

    how long until an emulator is out for this thing?

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    1. Re:hmm, i wonder by blazen1 · · Score: 1

      Info about the emulator is on the front page of the website.

    2. Re:hmm, i wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      read the page its here

      http://www.imsai.net/download/altair32.zip

      now I wish I just had a slash account

      Timothy G.

  6. Scary on so many levels... by Rorschach1 · · Score: 2

    But I'd probably buy one anyway, just for das blinkenlights. =]

  7. Perhaps I have no imagination by joshtimmons · · Score: 2

    but, why would I want to attach an ATX motherboard through the parallel port and use it as a disk drive?

    I mean, what kind of crazy disk would a motherboard be?

    1. Re:Perhaps I have no imagination by pete-classic · · Score: 2

      I guess I don't have any imagination either.

      Frankly the more I think about the statement "a driver that will allow you to access an ATX motherboard via the parallel port as a disk drive" the less sense it makes.

      How does a driver attach to a parallel port? How do you access a MB as a disk drive? Do the PCI ports get mapped to head/cyl/sector addresses? Can you access USB and serial ports this way too?

      I don't know, it all sounds crazy to me.

      -Peter

    2. Re:Perhaps I have no imagination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you had looked at the web site, you would have seen that it is there so you can run a Linux or Windows file server on the ATX board which you can access from the IMSAI. This means you can download IMSAI software from the web via the ATX board running Windows or Linux and then move the files to the IMSAI and run it.

    3. Re:Perhaps I have no imagination by photon317 · · Score: 2


      What they mean is that you run dos/windows/linux on the ATX motherboard, and you run a little custom server application that serves up a portion of your dos/windows/linux filesystem as a virtual "disk" to the IMSAI over the parallel port.

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    4. Re:Perhaps I have no imagination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So its a file server running over some sort of PLIP link? Why didn't they just say that?

  8. What would you do with it? by spoco2 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    OK... Maybe I'm just not nerdy enough... but... what would you actually do with one of these? There's surely not all that much you can do with an old 8080 these days... especially not anything that would warrent spending almost $1K on it anyways.

    I fully appreciate the cool factor... being the machine used in Wargames doesn't get much better... (On a flight between the US and Australia recently they were playing the movie in flight... fine movie, damn fine movie) but I just can't see why anyone would actually pay for anything but the original as used in the movie...

    1. Re:What would you do with it? by grytpype · · Score: 2

      Yeah, the price point is really questionable for a nostalgia/novelty item. Is there any reasonble practical application for a box like this?

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    2. Re:What would you do with it? by jackb_guppy · · Score: 1

      Yeah, a K is high, but:

      Oh the memories, and just think a BEOWULF with these as the box fronts... THE PDP RIDES AGAIN!!

      I am think real hard about ordering one. By the way I have 3 Z-80 machines in my house so...

    3. Re:What would you do with it? by spoco2 · · Score: 1

      Nostalgia good... still, cost bad... and a Beowulf cluster of them? Man, how many would you have to cluster for it to actually be able to perform anything useful still... and at a K each... yoinks!

      Now, a cluster of ZX Spectrums... THAT's computing POWER! 16K RAM per machine... Joy of joys.

    4. Re:What would you do with it? by druzicka · · Score: 1
      There's surely not all that much you can do with an old 8080 these days...



      It doesn't have a 8080... It has a Z80. Quoth the IMSAI website:


      Zilog 20 MHZ. Z8S180 Processor- 1 Meg direct addressing (organized as sixteen 64K "pages"), code compliant with Z80 extended instruction set


      The original IMSAI had an 8080.

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  9. But WHY??? by splorf · · Score: 1
    It's like building a modernized Wright Brothers plane (or maybe DC-3) with a graphite composite airframe instead of one like the original. (Using a modern cpu would be like adding a jet engine).

    If you're trying for authenticity, stick with the original design. If you're trying for something that runs the old software, you're better off just running a Z80 emulator on your modern PC. Performance will be much higher than the original, etc. And if you're trying to make something that looks cool (front panel with switches and blinky lights), that's fine too, but why not put a modern computer inside instead of bothering with the Z80 innards?

    It all makes no sense to me.

    1. Re:But WHY??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      ...Zilog 20 MHZ. Z8S180 Processor- 1 Meg direct addressing (organized as sixteen 64K "pages"), code compliant with Z80 extended instruction set

      Well, Z80's aren't so puny, but this isn't a Z80. It's a

      Zilog 20 MHZ. Z8S180 Processor- 1 Meg direct addressing (organized as sixteen 64K "pages"), code compliant with Z80 extended instruction set (from this page)
      This is more like an Intel 8088 on steroids. The old Z80 computers ran (mostly) CPM, and occasionaly mpm, and were FAST. They had no GUI, after all. This should be able to run something like GEM on opendos. fast. They do let you put a modern computer inside if you want to, but being able to run the old cpm programs without emulation would be really nice; maybe even worth $995 to me, if I were out of debt.
  10. But will it... by SkyLeach · · Score: 2

    controll my battlebot guard dog while chowning my neighbors' cat?

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    1. Re:But will it... by Boulder+Geek · · Score: 5, Funny

      > controll my battlebot guard dog while chowning my neighbors' cat?

      Any cat can be chown'd with a sufficient supply of tuna.

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  11. Where has Larry Bagina gone???... by tufflove · · Score: 0

    leave your dogs alone

  12. Re:Old School by coolgeek · · Score: 2

    See, you're one of those proverbial "whippersnappers" that I've had occasion to grumble about.

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  13. Technical Specifications by rob-fu · · Score: 0

    From the website:

    *$995 base model gets you the IMSAI SERIES TWO Classic cabinet; newly designed advanced IEEE-696 compatible Programmer's Front Panel; ZiLOG 20 MHz. Z8S180 processor; 1 Meg battery-backed static ram; 32K Flash memory (mapped into 1 meg directly-addressable memory space); battery-backed Real-time Clock; PS/2 keyboard interface; IMSAI-to-PC parallel interface; 10-slot actively-terminated S-100 Bus interface with four sockets (additional sockets extra); IDE Drive interface for up to four hard drives, CD-ROM drives, etc.; dual 5 1/4" & 8" Floppy Disk controller; two RS-232 Serial ports and two TTL/RS-232 Serial Ports; one Centronics parallel printer port; system monitor firmware with Assembly Language source code; 350 watt switching power supply (standard, 500 watt optional); Owner's manual; DOS software development utilities disk, and upgrade offers that will ensure value for years to come!

    One meg of RAM. That may run about 4 services in Windows. Maybe.

    1. Re:Technical Specifications by cheinonen · · Score: 2

      Just remember, 640k should be enough for anything, so you've got lots of extra overhead on that thing!

    2. Re:Technical Specifications by binaryDigit · · Score: 2

      One meg of RAM. That may run about 4 services in Windows. Maybe.

      Uh, maybe if the thing ran windoze then that might be an issue. You did see the processor it was running didn't you?

    3. Re:Technical Specifications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wonder how long it would take to boot Windows from cassette tape?

    4. Re:Technical Specifications by binaryDigit · · Score: 2

      Heck, I wonder how many cassette tapes it would take to hold windows. Plus you'd have to have dedicated swap tapes. This would all be supported by NTTFS.

    5. Re:Technical Specifications by Jonny+290 · · Score: 1

      Check it out, FUDder.

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    6. Re:Technical Specifications by homer_ca · · Score: 2

      "system monitor firmware with Assembly Language source code"

      Those were the days... Apple II computers also came with the assembly source code to the system ROM in the owner's manual.

    7. Re:Technical Specifications by Latent+IT · · Score: 1

      Yeah, smarmy people like you should be shot.

      Out of curiosity, why do you believe him? Just because he says he never said it (nearly 15 years after the fact) doesn't mean he didn't say it.

      In fact, people have been known from time to time, to "lie". Bill Gates, for instance. Isn't that who we were talking about?

      Christ, you're just as gullible as you think the guy you're making fun of is.

  14. WarGames by mongoks · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I remember being really impressed when the dude broke out with the 8-inch floppies in WarGames. I even remember that they were Elephant brand on the sleeve. Most of the stuff he did on the computer was possible too. The war dialer, the awful speech synthesis (although for some reason it improved halfway through the movie as if the dude learned how to talk correctly), the acoustic modem, etc. Even the trick he used on the door to the infirmary seems like it would be possible but I'm not an EE so I wouldn't know for sure. Definately a great movie.

    1. Re:WarGames by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its been years but I still am creeped out when I here the speech synthesis in the movie. I've often wondered if there's anything out there today that can read my email with that voice....I can see the drop down list now:

      1)Man's voice
      2)Woman's voice
      3)Weird creepy war games voice

    2. Re:WarGames by M-G · · Score: 2

      they were Elephant brand

      Ah yes..."Elephant Never Forgets"

    3. Re:WarGames by marmoset · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As I distantly recall from an article I read around the time the movie was released, the filmmakers made a point to make sure that Matthew Broderick's rig was accurate inasmuch as being real technology available at that time, rather than the usual (for that time period) cardboard mockups that were used in most movies. They also wanted to give the impression that it was sort of secondhand or castoff gear that an avid geeky kid might piece together-- even at the time that film was made, 8-inch floppies and acoustic couplers were well on their way out.

    4. Re:WarGames by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      If I remember the story correctly, the actor who played the professor also supplied the source for the "synth" voice. They had him read a whole series of words (not in the order they were said in the movie), and filtered them. Then they chopped and re-ordered them as needed for the lines required. This gave the choppy feel, while the filtering gave the "synth" feel.

    5. Re:WarGames by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      Most of the stuff he did on the computer was possible too. The war dialer...

      You know, there might be a reason why such programs are called "WAR" dialers.

    6. Re:WarGames by Latent+IT · · Score: 2, Interesting

      He may very well have. The IMDB page has no listing for the computer voice.

      http://us.imdb.com/Credits?0086567

      Odd, since they list all the way down to the lighting techs. So I guess it must have been someone doing double duty.

    7. Re:WarGames by jred · · Score: 2

      Most of the stuff he did on the computer was possible too. The war dialer...

      You know, there might be a reason why such programs are called "WAR" dialers.


      that's too funny. if you weren't AC & I had mod points I'd bump you up fer shur.

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    8. Re:WarGames by ShawnD · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Most of the stuff he did on the computer was possible too. The war dialer, ...the acoustic modem, ...
      <NITPICK>

      How do you war dial on an acoustic modem? Even if it could generate DTMF tones to dial the phone it couldn't work the hook switch to dial the next number.

      </NITPICK>

    9. Re:WarGames by Spamalope · · Score: 1

      You know, there might be a reason why such programs are called "WAR" dialers.

      Before Wargames, we called them demon dialers, after a popular program for searching for computers on a phone exchange.

    10. Re:WarGames by CityZen · · Score: 1

      So I distinctly remember a black box that was being sold (perhaps through DAK) that was called a Demon Dialer. This was a box that would do automatic redial for you. You plugged it inline between your phone and your phone line and accessed it using touch tones.

      So which came first, this (mass market, consumer) box, the program, or some phreak version of this box?

    11. Re:WarGames by ccandreva · · Score: 1

      You hack a relay in to the phone line to make and break the connection. If your computer has some sort of cassette tape interface, you even have a relay controller already there.

      There was a BBS local to me running on a TRS-80 that did exactly that with an original Bell 212a modem. (I don't think that was an acoustic modem, but the principle should apply).

    12. Re:WarGames by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WOW! Imagine a beowulf cluster of these!!!!

    13. Re:WarGames by mongoks · · Score: 1

      Good point. There was a time when modems were advertised as being "auto-dial".

    14. Re:WarGames by andrewski · · Score: 1

      They were actually Nashua brand. They used a picture of an elephant and the phrase 'An elephant never forgets'.

  15. Beowulf Cluster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry but what is a Beowulf Cluster? (genuine inquiry)

    1. Re:Beowulf Cluster by rob-fu · · Score: 0

      It's a cluster of this guy.

    2. Re:Beowulf Cluster by colmore · · Score: 3, Funny

      it's a cluster of computers that wanders off into the mountains, kills an ice monster and then later gets killed by that monster's relatives. i've never known what the big deal about it is, really.

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    3. Re:Beowulf Cluster by e_n_d_o · · Score: 1

      You can read more about them here: http://www.beowulf.org/

    4. Re:Beowulf Cluster by 00_NOP · · Score: 1

      You clearly haven't read the poem! Beowulf is killed by the warriors, not other monsters :P

    5. Re:Beowulf Cluster by colmore · · Score: 2

      eh, it's been a few years... and it was the old translation, which wasn't nearly as enjoyable (or so i've heard, i haven't read the new one)

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    6. Re:Beowulf Cluster by ajmarks · · Score: 0

      Actually, Beowulf is killed by the Wyrm. Thiss occurs after he kills Grendel (the monster) and Grendel's pissed off mother.

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    7. Re:Beowulf Cluster by 00_NOP · · Score: 1

      Yes, the Heaney translation is great.

    8. Re:Beowulf Cluster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was a brilliant troll!!! Kudos!!! Probably more replys to your troll than any other actually talking about the topic at hand. Bravo.

    9. Re:Beowulf Cluster by Latent+IT · · Score: 1

      That's the funniest thing I've read today. And that's saying something. (I think.)

    10. Re:Beowulf Cluster by colmore · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I should read it. I read an older translation for an epic poetry class, and at the time it seemed far inferior to the Iliad and Gilgamesh. But maybe that was based on the fairly flat and unlively english.

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    11. Re:Beowulf Cluster by 00_NOP · · Score: 1

      Oops - I got it wrong too :-
      /. - News for the literate. Stuff about monsters.

    12. Re:Beowulf Cluster by demigod · · Score: 1
      Beowulf is killed by the warriors, not other monsters


      Not the version I read, he was killed by a Dragon.
      Those interested can check for themselves. http://www.library.utoronto.ca/utel/rp/poems/beow_ doe.html

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  16. Okay... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah.. Umm... I recently upgraded my computer for less than the 995 bucks for this 20mhz z80 computer, and I get far greater Bogomips than this thing will ever get.

  17. Internal ATX MoBo. by Kenja · · Score: 2, Funny

    Seems that you can mount an ATX motherboard in these things. Kinda neat, be the envy of other geeks at the next lan party.

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    1. Re:Internal ATX MoBo. by nomadic · · Score: 1

      In other words, this is a thousand dollar case.

    2. Re:Internal ATX MoBo. by KewlPC · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, you get a complete (though, no disk drives), working IMSAI system, that just happens to be able to have a PC ATX motherboard alongside all the IMSAI parts.

      So, basically, you use the ATX mobo running Linux to download some IMSAI software from the internet, switch over to the IMSAI, and the included drivers for CP/M (an OS) will allow you to access the programs. Complicated? Maybe. Easier than trying to connect an 8-inch floppy drive to a PC, using some CP/M disk utils for Windows/Linux/whatever to put the progs onto the disk, re-connect the disk drive to the IMSAI, boot CP/M on the IMSAI, then run the programs? Definately.

    3. Re:Internal ATX MoBo. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think he was thinking about putting the ATX board in the IMSAI case and running CS or something from the ATX board at a LAN party. Then the IMSAI would just be a really expensive cool case. Not sure how well that would work though.

    4. Re:Internal ATX MoBo. by whuppy · · Score: 1

      I believe you meant to say "the coolest thousand dollar case ever."

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  18. I saw something like this in College by dcstimm · · Score: 1

    In College we had a class that featured a topic just like this, its so intresting and Fun. I am glad they added a ATX option really makes it better! Man I sure do Love IMSAI, hopefully they will also add Usb support so I can use my wireless Nic.

  19. Ah, nostalgia... by jejones · · Score: 4, Informative

    I see that they're offering it for a kilobuck...remember when that was the price of a 64K Ithaca Intersystems S100 bus RAM card kit?

  20. Re:The only way to win: love one another by colmore · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    yeah, but Jehovah bought me a cool retro computer, so suck on it!

    (wooo... karma to burn...)

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  21. Do they expect to sell these? by The_Rippa · · Score: 1

    Did these people just crawl out of a luddite cave?

    $1000 for this honking piece of shit?

    $1000 for something with less processing power than a Nintendo?

    I'd pay $1000 for a WOPR, but not for this.

    1. Re:Do they expect to sell these? by fmaxwell · · Score: 2

      You're the same kind of idiot that can't figure out why people would pay a lot of money for a 1932 Ford when they could get a brand new Mustang for less money.

      It's a class thing. You wouldn't understand.

    2. Re:Do they expect to sell these? by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      This box would be more comparable to some overpriced kit car that tries to look like a 1932 Ford, rather than an actual 1932 Ford.

      It is a "class thing". However, you're the one that doesn't "get it".

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    3. Re:Do they expect to sell these? by fmaxwell · · Score: 2

      This box would be more comparable to some overpriced kit car that tries to look like a 1932 Ford, rather than an actual 1932 Ford.

      It is a "class thing". However, you're the one that doesn't "get it".


      Having owned an original Imsai 8080, I "get it" a lot better than you do. The original machine is a classic and there simply aren't enough of them to suit the demand. For someone who wants a classy reproduction that functions, this is hard to beat.

      Comparing it to some modern system and belittling its CPU horsepower shows a complete cluelessness.

    4. Re:Do they expect to sell these? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! Rapiers or pistols, gentlemen? heheheheh

    5. Re:Do they expect to sell these? by dublin · · Score: 2

      his box would be more comparable to some overpriced kit car that tries to look like a 1932 Ford, rather than an actual 1932 Ford.

      A better comparison might be to a Cobra kit car as compared to an original Cobra. There definitely aren't enough of those to go around, and the ones that are left are ridiculously expensive. And to top it off, the better modern Cobras (say, Factory Five's, for example) are actually *better* than the originals. All the good of the original, with some of the stupidity filed off. (If you've ever ridden in a real big-block Cobra, you'll remember the funny smell of your shoes being roasted by their close proximity to the exhaust, shielded (or is that just re-radiated?) only by a bit of flimsy sheet metal...)

      No this isn't for everyone. It's cool, though, and I wish them well. In fact, I wish I'd thought of building them myself.

      We were robbed when they took away our front-panel switches and LEDs! Keyboard? We don't need no stinkin' keyboard...

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      "The future's good and the present is nothing to sneeze at." - Roblimo's last ./ post
    6. Re:Do they expect to sell these? by The_Rippa · · Score: 0

      It seems you're the idiot who would pay $1000 for $10 worth of hardware

    7. Re:Do they expect to sell these? by fmaxwell · · Score: 2

      It seems you're the idiot who would pay $1000 for $10 worth of hardware

      Have you ever priced the cost of a custom case? Silkscreened lettering on a front panel? High-quality S-100 connectors? Besides, it's not like $1000 is a lot of money.

      Do you judge a painting's worth by the cost of the canvas and paint? Do you judge the value of a music CD by the manufacturing costs?

      I've got five high-powered PCs in my computer room. I'd much rather have something like the IMSAI series 2 than another PC I don't need.

  22. Outdated technology by 00_NOP · · Score: 1, Redundant

    I'd be interested if they upgraded to something bleeding edge - like a Z80, for instance.

    1. Re:Outdated technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you even read the article? It is a Z80 -- a 20Mhz one at that.

    2. Re:Outdated technology by 00_NOP · · Score: 1

      Yes, I did, but I misunderstood it the first time and thought it was an i8080. Oh well, got modded down for trying to be too clever.

  23. 20MHz Z80 processor cool! by rworne · · Score: 1

    How does the megahertz myth apply to this?

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    1. Re:20MHz Z80 processor cool! by slickwillie · · Score: 2

      I'll bet you can overclock that sucker to 21 or 22MHz.

  24. My first thought by MrResistor · · Score: 2

    Being a Nevada City native, my first thought on getting to the web page was "My God! Somebody listens to KVMR enough to post it on their web site!" My second thought was "My God! KVMR has a webcast!"

    Anyway, check it out if you want to listen to a seriously strange mix of radio. Don't get discouraged if you hear a show you like and can't find it next week, as their schedule is pretty bizzare. "Every third Wednesday, 4-7AM" is par for the course.

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  25. the price? by scharkalvin · · Score: 1

    Well have you seen what Imsai's are currently going for on Ebay? This one is cheap. Of course where are you going to find any S100 cards?

    1. Re:the price? by captain_craptacular · · Score: 1

      Thats for original equipment. Modern knockoffs are never worth what the original is when you're dealing with collectibles. The way I see it, this is a $1000 case for an atx pc.

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      They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty nor security
  26. Re:The only way to win: love one another by The_Rippa · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    rolflmao

  27. Unfortunately hard to get excited about by frovingslosh · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I was there for the first time these S100 computers came out. Always wanted a NorthStar S100 machine, just couldn't scrape together the cash a the time.

    A couple of years ago I saw a nice, wood case NorthStar S100 system sitting on a surplus table for a very modest amount. I was tempted, but had to admit that there was nothing I would do with it. Would have had to use a PC as a terminal into the NorthStar, and even an old 386 could emulate the S100 machine faster than the S100. So what's to be gained by running an S100 system?

    Of course the IMSIA would at least have the nice Blinkin' Lights, the NorthStar was one of the S100 PC's that avoided them and went right to a ROM monitor, but beyond that I can't see anything I would enjoy about an old S100 system.

    By the way, Bil Gates didn't have an S100 system when he wrote MS Basic. He used an Emulator. The way I heard it from another student there at the time, as a student he got caught at Harvard running the emulator for commercial gain (developing a commercial product, MS Basic). He was instructed to cease immidately, or he would be thrown out of the university. He elected to leave. (Can anyone confirm that this is how it went down?) Lets just all be glad that he doesn't do such questionable things anymore. ;-)

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    1. Re:Unfortunately hard to get excited about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. I wanted one of these real bad back
      in 1976. But I was in the Navy and the price
      was out of reach. Eventually, I did get a H89
      on the GI bill (hehehe...).

      I almost would not mind having one of these now.
      But I already have too many orphaned collectors
      items out in the garage, and no time for them.

      But I wish these guys well...

    2. Re:Unfortunately hard to get excited about by CityZen · · Score: 1

      I always wanted the Processor Technology Sol. The blue metal integrated case & keyboard, the wood-grain sides. This thing had style when everything else was just a box. Of course, it only held a few S100 slots, and the horizontal mounting could lead to heat problems. But it looked cool!

  28. I almost bought one.... by blueskies · · Score: 2, Funny

    But then i saw the slashdot ad when i started reading the comments. It made me want to buy from penquin computing. For around $1,700 i can get an AMD server from penquin computing.

    1. Re:I almost bought one.... by Derleth · · Score: 1

      No subliminal (Buy Windows XP Home for one soul!) ads (AMD Rocks!) here, (Intel Suxx0rz! Buy AMD!) nosirree (Cowboy NealSoft!) bob (*BSD is alive and well and living in Las Vegas)!

      Hemos (Don't get Guidescope!) and CmdrTaco (Drop Junkbuster!) wouldn't (.NET castrates your favorite language for $500!) stoop (Oracle wants your information!) to that level. (Java is superfast! Sun needs money!)

      I feel strange fnord. Let's fnord buy some PDAs fnord fnord.

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      How can you use my intestines as a gift? -Actual Hong Kong subtitle.
  29. I got started on the original IMSAI... by superscalar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My uncle had built the thing from a kit, and then we inheritted it. We didn't quite have to key in binary code on the front panel (although it was a good exercise), but I DO remember being excited about getting a used 32K S-100 memory card up at the Trenton Computer Festival (do they still have those?). We started off with a cassette interface and a 64x16 character monochrome display. Eventually added two 'hard-sector' 5-1/4 inch floppies (about 100K each). The processor got upgraded from the original 8080 to an 8085 and later a Z-80. We also built a TMS9918A-based video card (that was a pretty neet chip - wasn't it used in the Colecovision or something?) and I later built a MIDI interface for it. This was all back in the early/mid-eighties. A BSEE, MSEE, and 15 years of experience later, I still learned a lot of what I use on a regular basis on that machine.

    1. Re:I got started on the original IMSAI... by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2

      Trenton Computer Festival (do they still have those?)

      Yup. http://www.tcf-nj.org/

    2. Re:I got started on the original IMSAI... by Malor · · Score: 2, Informative

      I suspect that was the video chip in the TI 99-4, and later the 4/A. (which added an amazing, high-tech feature... lower case! :-) )

      My memory may be wrong here, too. I keep thinking "TMS9900"... I wonder if the 99/4 used a lower-cost version of the chip you mention?

      And yes it was a cool chip, but the interface to the CPU was a byte-wide gate with a toggle bit somewhere... 'there's new data for you'. Then you'd have to load another byte and flip the toggle, and load another byte and flip the toggle.

      This pretty much killed the machine for any real gaming, although the chipset was powerful enough to do quite a bit of disconnected work. Sprites were the big thing on this chip... you could have 32 of them, all in automatic motion with collision detection. But it really didn't do bitmap-addressable graphics in any mode that was easily reachable to an ordinary programmer. Instead, it used character maps.... redefine what an A looks like and sprinkle them on the screen to make pictures. This was painful.

      The main CPU was 3.54 mhz, 16-bit.... not very EFFICIENT, but still pretty fast even so. Hardware multiply and divide. If the gateway to video RAM had been anything reasonable, and if the bitmap graphics had been easier to get to (it DID have them, they were just deeply buried) the machine would have kicked serious ass.

    3. Re:I got started on the original IMSAI... by lhand · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I paid about $300 for my IMSAI when I first bought it. It was all the money I had so it took months before I could buy a memory board for it and actually do something with it (like blink the lights).

      The mother board has 22 slots. That meant I had to solder 2,200 connections for the sockets. Whew! Of course there was none of that surface mount stuff so it really wasn't so hard, just tedious.

      When I had another $500 I bought a floppy drive and controler board. The 8 inch single-side double-density drive held a whopping 300K of storage. The Jade controller I built had a 4 MHz Z80 chip on it. The Main CPU was a 2MHz 8080A. It seemed weird to have a better processor on the disk controller than as the main CPU.

      I had to build a custom clock circuit to run a serial port at 55 baud so I could interface to my old Teletype model 20 (Baudot machine). But man, it felt great to key in some instructions and watch a big piece of hardware start hammering away and shake the table it was on. I wrote drivers to convert ASCIIBaudot so I could actually use the TTY as a terminal.

      God, I miss that. I wish I had room to set up that old thing. Not sure what I'd do with it, but I really loved it.

      For those of you who don't know what good this type of thing can be: it provided a machine which was completely understandable, required understanding to build and use, and therefore provided training on how every little bit of a computer worked. That training wasn't available in school unless you went to someplace like MIT or Cal Tech. The only computer classes available at my college at that time (1973) were a few Cobol classes in the Business school.

      In a very real sense, we were all kernel hackers then. And yes, it was fun.

    4. Re:I got started on the original IMSAI... by Orangedog_on_crack · · Score: 2

      I envy you for the time and environment that you grew up in, tech-wise, at least. My first introduction to computers was an Atari 1200xl. I was 13 and didn't have clue about how it worked. Wish I had been just a little more curious, at least enough to have really jumped into the whole scene at the time. I read 'Fire In The Valley' and 'Infinate Loop' last year and became nothing short of utterly fascinated with the early years of the PC, before the empires were built around the OS and Micro$oft. I just about kicked myself for being alive during that time in history and was oblivious to the "good-old-days" that were happening around me while I was dropping quarters into various Space Invaders and Pac-Man machines The IMSAI, Osbourne, Altair and PET were marvels of their day but now are looked down upon and scoffed at. Those were the days when anyone who could put together their own system had way more than a clue and a "Build Your Own PC" book from Amazon.com. Ye Gods!, a trained seal could put one together today. My hat is off to you, Sir. It sounds like you were paying attention while soon-to-be gen x'ers like me were asleep.

    5. Re:I got started on the original IMSAI... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 9918 and derivatives were used on a number of machines in the early 80's. The TI 99/4 and 99/4A both had 'em. The ColecoVision and Coleco ADAM, the MSX computers, and also a video adapter for the NEC PC-8201A portable computer (which the Tandy Model 100/102 was based off of).

      I've got a Coleco ADAM with an updated code-compatible chip that Yamaha (Y9958) made that will do VGA resolutions on an analog RGB monitor (same type as used on the Atari ST and Amiga computers) with up to 19,200 colors. I have had some compatibility problems with it (mostly ColecoVision games) so I suspect that the BIOS is doing something that isn't quite kosher. Still, pretty neat to have an early 80's machine that will display decent 2D graphics. ;)

  30. IIRC, it ran microsoft basic by Alien+Being · · Score: 1

    Under the new licensing scheme, upgrading your 1977 version will cost you $36k, or about $9/byte.

    Seriously though, if you're interested in the history of this machine and the dawn of the pc era in general, check out a book called "Once Upon a Time in Computerland".

  31. vapourware by binaryDigit · · Score: 2

    Funny how for a machine that is supposed to ship in about a month that all the "pictures" they have of it are just computer drawings. I personally would find it interesting if they did ship this thing (though I'd never buy one), but I have to wonder though. It's too bad they decided up "upgrade" it, thereby losing any sales to those wanting something much closer to the original. It's kinda like reproductions of antique stuff (like phonographs say). Many people would buy repro's just because they like the look of the old phonographs and they probably won't ever even play it. But in the case of phonographs, these repros are significantly cheaper than purchasing an original. Here the price is almost even and I don't know of too many people who would purchase the thing to have it look good in their office (at least now post-web collapse).

  32. Games by 00_NOP · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does it play "Global Thermonuclear War"? That looked like a great game.

    1. Re:Games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you can play global thermonucular war on some bsd systems, well netbsd and openbsd anyway.

      # /usr/games/wargames
      Would you like to play a game? yes
      Strange, the only winning move is not to play.
      #

  33. IDE? by iangoldby · · Score: 2, Funny

    IDE disks? IDE disks? What the bloody hell are IDE disks?

    When I were a lad, we 'ad to use 8 inch floppies.

    8 inch floppies? You were lucky.

    Cut to the Four Yorkshiremen sketch. Is there anyone else here who remembers Phoenix?

    1. Re:IDE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I understand correctly, it has an ATX disk drive with a parallel port controller, so you need not worry

  34. Wopr Revisited(MR. Potatohead, MR POTATOHEAD) by puto · · Score: 1

    I think it is a pretty neat thing. Almost like the life size X-wings Neiman Marcus used to sell for 14 grand in their christmas catalog.

    Wargames was a pivotal moment in computer geek history. He got the girl changed, changed his grade, busted into SAC. Gave all of us geeks hope.

    There was a time where us computer geeks had to play down our careers and hobbies if you wanted to get girls. Now it is cool, chicks did it, and Wargames had a fellow nerd who did it all.

    Yeah I would buy one and put an ATX board in it. I think that would be much cooler than a wateer cooled case, mounting a motherboard in a fridge, and some of the other riduclous shit we see on /.

    I went to the first Atari Computer camp in the early 80s. Yep, 400, 800, and early 1200 xls. We learned assembly by day and were regualr kids by night. But the best thing was the actor who played Doctor Falken in the movie visited the camp and signed autographs. It was an awesome experience for a 12 year old. Still got my 5/4 sleeve with the sig.

    puto

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    1. Re:Wopr Revisited(MR. Potatohead, MR POTATOHEAD) by HFXPro · · Score: 1

      *Digs out his Atari 800xl*
      *Plugs it in.*
      *Turns it on.*
      Wow it still boots up after sitting in my room for 10 years. Hmm This I have to play with.

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  35. OT- Slashdot creed. by Steveftoth · · Score: 1

    1. Post first!
    2. Read story, and maybe links.
    3. Profit!!!!!

  36. SAM for the commodore by isotope23 · · Score: 1

    I don't know if you can find it, but SAM
    on the commodore 64 did a good job with
    that by default......

    (Whoo I'm officially old now!) HEH

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    1. Re:SAM for the commodore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      REally?? If I remember correctly the voice kinda had an English (across the Atlantic) accent...How cool would it be to have a war games emulator program that could play tic-tac-toe, read email, etc, all with that voice...hmmmmmmmm

    2. Re:SAM for the commodore by mongoks · · Score: 1

      Don't forget Global Thermonuclear War. I want a WOPR emulator now!

    3. Re:SAM for the commodore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Check it out: it even has sounds

      http://www.sciflicks.com/wargames/

    4. Re:SAM for the commodore by NickDngr · · Score: 1

      I don't know if you can find it, but SAM on the commodore 64 did a good job with that by default......

      SAM rocked! It could even sing the Star Spangled Banner in perfect key. It spoke more understandably than most of the stuff on the PC now.

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    5. Re:SAM for the commodore by spudnic · · Score: 2

      Didn't SAM stand for Software Automated Mouth or something like that? Good times. SAM, elephant disks, and my koalapad!

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    6. Re:SAM for the commodore by kireK · · Score: 1

      Most of what the 64 did with sound is still state of the art. Wish commodore came back and made video and sound cards.

    7. Re:SAM for the commodore by dublin · · Score: 2

      Actually, "Software Automatic Mouth". I remember because I always thought it was a bit awkward...

      I posted an article here only a few days ago lamenting the creativity and innovation we saw in the hacker community in those days. Maybe I'm just getting old, but back then, hacks were real, and really did something, they weren't just poser "hacks" consisting of case mods, neon lighting, and replacing the front panel LEDs with blue ones. Oooooh, that's impressive - NOT!

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    8. Re:SAM for the commodore by fdisk3hs · · Score: 1

      Yeah, we ARE old. I used SAM in my own programs, it was hidden in the background, I think it was my C64 (I had a Vic20 in around '82 or '83). I got a ton of stuff from RUN magazine, remember when computer mags actually had two dozen pages of source code in them?
      And later they would provide optional code for the C128 or Amiga...
      I had an 80-column mode display on a 9" color tv ( 80 columns was an awesome hack, straight from RUN magazine).
      My favorite, though, was the ability to design a 'custom character set' (basically console fonts) using a joystick to turn blocks on or off on an 8x8 grid (or 8x7?). I used to design at least one new 'character set' for each one of my programs, and used these characters in lieu of bitmapping (I never did get an assembly book for the C64). It only took hours to do it, and it only took an extra 8 or 10 minutes to load the new character set when you went to a different module in your program... :)

      Did anybody else used to notch out single-sided floppies to use them as double-sided, and then bitch when they stopped spinning?
      Or how about 'brain transplants' (moving the magnetic media into a new sleeve)?

      While I'm whipping out the nostalgia, the other two hacks that were my favorite were my buddy Mike's hardware hacks:
      Read-only/Read-write toggle switch on his giant 1541 floppy drive (used instead of the default floppy 'notch' sensor)...
      Taking the screws out of your C64, putting the bottom half of it (the brains) under your monitor stand, and putting the top half (the keyboard) out on the desk by itself for PC coolness, with the keyboard's flimsy rainbow-colored wires stretched tight, and the big magnetic circle around the wires to kill 'interference'. Dumb, but it looked cool to have a remote keyboard...

      End Section 'Nostalgia gush'

      LR :)

    9. Re:SAM for the commodore by mongoks · · Score: 1
      I still have an issue of Compute! magazine stored away. It has the source code for a program called "Turbo Disk" in it that would speed up the awful load times on the 1541. Epyx later came out with a cartridge that basically did the same thing. Remember the copy protection induced rattles on the 1541? I remember notching disks and I had a little punch for it.

      Also have a few issues of Amiga World lying around. Pretty interesting to go back and read these now.

    10. Re:SAM for the commodore by spudnic · · Score: 2

      Yeah, well I had SFD 1000's (1 meg 5 1/4") daisy chained to offer more storage than just about any C64 BBS around. I then moved to a Lt. Kernel! This was a 10Meg hard drive that connected to the 64 via the cartridge slot. $1500! Pretty expensive for a high school kid. I ran and contributed a bit to C-Net, of course.

      Speaking of drives on the 64, I also had an Indus GT. Sleek little black 5 1/4". It worked for about 3 months until it needed a head alignment. Guess it was too many runs with Error 29 Maker or 4 minute backup.

      Ah, oh well, back to work... I never thought I'd be getting paid to do what I did back then for free. ;) We're pretty lucky.

      --
      load "linux",8,1
  37. Home made board by brejc8 · · Score: 1

    I wanted to make a processor board like this. Its real cheap components and would be great to program. I made a nice univrsal graphical debugger which can be used for any processor board and wanted to try it out with other architectures (other than ARM and MIPS).

    If anyone has an old 8008 or anything simmilar please send it me and Ill make a board for it.

  38. Geek Factor: Crusty by Quirk · · Score: 1

    The Geek Factor is high here but so is the smell of ageism, I mean, why? But if you were there and wanted a Spartan reminder of why the Bronze Age was the One Golden Age then maybe, whynot?

    --
    "Academicians are more likely to share each other's toothbrush than each other's nomenclature."
    Cohen
  39. Re:The only way to win: love one another by eRhino · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    wow...incredibly, the anonymous coward makes semi-sense with the "..a terrorist nation that'll try to bomb people for their oil and drop atomic bombs on surrendering nations..." stuff, but the whole "brothers and sisters" stuff and "Jehovah was a demon" stuff was waaaaay out in left field...sheesh...no gray..only black and white...wtf?!??! but anyways, the retrolooking computer is cool...i just wish i knew what to do with it...um..what DO you do with it? BASIC programing?? i used to do that stuff on my old TI-81 calc in Lit class in 10th grade...

  40. Misguided Geekdom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't understand how someone can be so into this old stuff and played a part in it and then mistake "skittles" for "Reese's Pieces" in the movie E.T.? Thats just moronic.

  41. You guys are LAME! by jbottero · · Score: 1

    You guys are LAME! This thing is HOT HOT HOT!!!.

  42. Do you want to play a game? by Jonny+Ringo · · Score: 1

    Did anyone else click on the cheesy 70's photo where they are using the system? Yeah, a loud "Do you want to play a game?" from the movie came over my speakers and freaked the hell out of me.

    Thanks, everyone at work knows I'm surfing now.

    1. Re:Do you want to play a game? by Roadmaster · · Score: 2

      Well, the "cheesy 70's photo" is actually a still taken from Wargames, which was released in 1983. On it you can see matthew broderick and ally sheedy. Yeah, everybody else has said it, so i will too : a great movie, even if the technology, which plays an integral part in it, didn't age so gracefully. To the masses it will look "70's" and "cheesy" but to those of us who were into computers back then, it's a real flashback.

  43. 20 MHz! 1MB! by hatless · · Score: 4, Funny

    With a 20 MHz CPU and the expanded instruction set of the Z8 processor, it should also be able to spool hundreds of biorhythm charts out to my daisywheel in seconds and run Hunt the Wumpus really fast. This is nice!

    I wonder if they're going to update CP/M to support all that RAM transparently. That would be sweet.

    1. Re:20 MHz! 1MB! by kb3hag · · Score: 0

      I hope basic is on it i once had a program that made random ascii porn! it had constraints so it looked real but it was never teh same image! put that on there as a file named after a game and donate it to the school! watch them run it! hehehehe

    2. Re:20 MHz! 1MB! by rfad · · Score: 1

      I laughed so hard when I read this that I had to register here to post a reply. To write this you really had to be an old "Hunt the Wumpus" user. My kids and I have been playing Hunt the Wumpus on my Altair. Biorhythm Charts? Yes you definately had a microcomputer in the mid 70's... (like me). You must be old!

  44. Why... by Psyko · · Score: 0

    This goes back to the old questsion, just because you can do it, should you? I mean damn. Are these guys going to start rolling out Vic-20's with ide/scsi on them next? Some people are impressed with Das Blinkenlightes & switches, but I could go buy a commercial emulator, a big power supply, some relays a mounting board and about 10k LED's for alot less than they want for this POS, and I'd even have money left over for a buncha switches.

    --
    01:36AM up 426 days, 2:46, 1 user, load average: 0.14, 0.11, 0.05
  45. IMSAI Series 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine a beowulf cluster of these!

    (This post is certified by me, Anonymous Coward, to be a 100% authentic beowulf troll post. ALL OTHER BEOWULF POSTS TO THIS STORY ARE IMPOSTERS!! I have to include this disclaimer now, because all these beowulf imposters are suckin my style.)

  46. Dusting off the nostalgia cap... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I can faithfully say that the IMSAI 8080 was the first computer I ever used. That was in 1979.

    The only specs I recall are that it had 16K of RAM, a cassette interface, and some kind of keyboard and CRT interface.

    We had a tape with a version of BASIC that left about 7K available for programs.

    It was built by a special class the year before I arrived at the school, and stored in the Chemistry/Physics lab.

    No doubt the machine was a lethal instrument as the monitor was simply a bare chassis and tube, with no case at all.

    I fondly recall a program called "Sub Hunt" that was written for it that got me interested in programming. The teacher showed me one day how to use the BASIC, and then left. I flailed completely for the next 4 hours forgetting something truly simple (like how math worked, or INPUT). After he showed me the next day, I took off from there and never looked back.

    In my high school days I ditched only two classes. One was Senior German, and we had managed to convince the entire class to ditch that day. One went back, spoiling the entire plan.

    The other class was Drivers Ed. I ditched it so I could sneak in to play with the new found wonder in the blue box.

    The box had a large hand printed sign in BLOCK letter "DO NOT TURN OFF!". This sign was necessary because the only way to load the BASIC was to get into the machine monitor, and type roughly 100 bytes of hex, which happened to be a bootstrap tape loader. You typed it in, hit RUN, and turned the tape to PLAY.

    A friend and I once tried to load this monitor with the front panel, but that was a nightmare and didn't work, so we gave up.

    I discovered this machine late in my sophmore year, and that summer someone donated several Commadore PET computers, so next year we jumped on those without ever looking back.

    It was interesting at the time, and I'm indebted to that fact that this thing opened my eyes to the wonders of computers, but I don't actually miss the machine itself.

  47. Re:Important Information by eyepeepackets · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Dude, find that person from your childhood who
    smacked you in the head with a mallet and sue
    'em -- you'll be set for life!

    --
    Everything in the Universe sucks: It's the law!
  48. Operating questrion... by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

    do you need to be wearing an onion in your belt, as was the fashion of the time?

    --
    Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
  49. Keep On Trollin' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank you kind sir. You see, us ACs can sometimes be more effective than the direct methods of the CLIT. Surely if Fecal Troll Matter, say, had asked this question it would have been modded down immediately.
    This troll goes out to all my AC homies worldwide - you know who you are!!

    1. Re:Keep On Trollin' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only was it a brilliant troll, it involved Beowolf clusters.

  50. You guys are HOT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You guys are HOT! This thing is LAME LAME LAME!!!.

  51. Actually by Basil+Ganglia · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...I'd rather have an old PDP 8E.

    --
    Basil
  52. Wire wrap board, anyone by thechuckbenz · · Score: 1

    I still have a S-100 blank wire wrap board.
    Maybe I can sell it on Ebay for $50 now...

  53. Buy one! by CaptainCarrot · · Score: 2

    All true geeks lust for a machine like this one that still allows you to program it and examine its state via the front panel, but this is an absolute requirement for all sincere geeks-in-training! Flush VB down the toilet if you haven't already; forget Perl, OOL, Linux and anything with an API that places 5 or 6 layers of insulation between you and the bare metal! If you really want to understand how a computer does it's job on a fundamental level, if you want to actually learn what the thing's doing, then you cannot do without a good basic machine like this. You will never be able to stand among the Great Geeks of History if you lack this kind of experience.

    --
    And the brethren went away edified.
  54. alternatives by Splurk · · Score: 2, Funny

    The Series Two is a powerful microcomputer that more than fulfills most users' needs, but people should know that there are less expensive computers available that often feature satisfactory performance along with popular accessories such as a keyboard and monitor.

  55. --- MOD PARENT UP --- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is an important question! (genuine request)

  56. Even better idea... by Teppy · · Score: 1

    Make the thing into a laptop. Try getting one of those puppies thru security at an airport.

  57. Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously though, it appears that this computer would really only be useful for embedded systems development.

    However, the traditional emulator system running on a host PC would be far easier to use and also much more flexible.

    This machine appears to be little more than a retro curiousity--a simple conversation piece with little practical use.

  58. Frighteningly enough... by Watts+Martin · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...I think Z-System, a CP/M-compatible operating system for Z80's that was made in the '80s, could indeed handle as much RAM as you'd managed to make the system address. I ran it on a TRS-80 Model 4 that had a processor upgrade card on it that used a HD64180, a relative of the Z180, and 384K of RAM. Hey, you laugh, but for a while I ran a BBS on it--since I could load the entire OS, BBS software and database indexes for 800+ messages into RAM, it ran faster than a lot of the PC BBS's of the day.

    The "new IMSAI" looks like a machine I'd have loved about a decade ago, back when some ex-CP/M hackers had designed a Z180-based Z-System machine on a Baby-AT motherboard that used the XT bus. As I recall the official name was the "PC-Z" but they referred to it informally as the "Grudge." (Which of course led to someone suggest they should make a portable version and call it the "Pet Peeve.")

    No, as fond as I am of reminiscing, I don't think I'll buy a new IMSAI, in case anyone asks. If I ever miss the old days, I break out a TRS-80 emulator, play a few rounds of an arcade game in its glorious 128x48 resolution, and remember that even if people pushed hardware to the limit those days in a way that they don't now, that doesn't mean it'd be much fun to go back.

    1. Re:Frighteningly enough... by SubtleNuance · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      ...well, I guess I was a little behind. I ran a BBS on a C64 @ 300baud...

      Though, I was in wonder of the Wildcat BBSs running on 486s at the time...

  59. OR just spend $60 on a sharp wizard 730! by mekkab · · Score: 3, Informative

    You get a nice built in keyboard, an lcd display,
    and it'll sync up to your real computer.

    From there you can program your Z80 in assy, C, or basic. Heck, you can even download a basic interpretter onto your little palm-top/pda.

    Experience the joys of accessing memory, indirectly indexing, and jumping back and forth.

    And save $900 in the process!

    So yeah, this is cute, but as dumb as a box of rocks. You can get those microprocessor notebook-style trainers for a couple of hundred bucks (check mouser.com ), not 9!

    --
    In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
    1. Re:OR just spend $60 on a sharp wizard 730! by mekkab · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      I hate it when I screw up my sig file!!

      --
      In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
    2. Re:OR just spend $60 on a sharp wizard 730! by fdisk3hs · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the PDAs and phones, embedded, is the new hobbyist Holy Land. That's the only place where the hardware is simple enough and the software underdeveloped enough to really do something...

      LR

  60. Beowulf cluster? by sbaker · · Score: 1

    What? Nobody suggested making a beowulf
    cluster of these? If you networked about
    a million of them, you could maybe emulate
    a Pentium.

    --
    www.sjbaker.org
  61. Waste 'o cash - get a Javelin Stamp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and program microcontrollers in Java.

    http://www.parallaxinc.com/

    http://www.parallaxinc.com/html_files/products/J av elin_Stamp/javelin_stamp.asp

  62. And the WOPR (sp?) was an Apple II by Radix42 · · Score: 1

    I remember when I first saw Wargames in the theatre with my friend Ken, when he broke into the WOPR (how's that spelled again? horrible memory for proper names) we busted out laughing, and got "shusshhhed" by everyone, as no one else saw anything remotely funny in the very serious scene onscreen.

    We were junior high school 6502 machine coders, and the WOPR was an Apple IIe ROM monitor dump.

    I still laugh my ass off every time I've seen that movie, the WOPR is an Apple II!! Oooohhhhhh,
    the power!

    1. Re:And the WOPR (sp?) was an Apple II by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you ever look closely at the original "Terminator"? IIRC, he was frequently showing an assembly listing of Apple ][ DOS source when looking through his eyes.

  63. (�) o===8 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bet you've been waiting YEARS to use that!

  64. newbie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What does the IMSAI have to do any PDP computer? Are you new to computers?

    1. Re:newbie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dunno, maybe he's trying to say that a cluster of IMSAI's could equal a PDP in power? Maybe its because the front panel of the IMSAI looks vaugly similiar to a PDP-11 panel? I don't know...

  65. The problem with the design is... by SWTP · · Score: 1

    Why a S100 bus junk? Should have gone with a better designed SS50 board layout. It took half of the cabinet just to put enough board to make it some what usfull and the rest of it for a non swithcing PS to just power the wreck!

    If he want can ship him a few Soroc terminals. One or to may still be alive! His cost.

    With this and the Vacumn Tube amp MB did some one switch the wayback machine in reverse? ^_^

  66. Oh, the Imsai by peterwayner · · Score: 1


    It was a great computer. I never owned one, but a friend did. He let me hack on it a bit. He was quite a sharp guy who knew how to toggle in the bootstrap loader. If I remember correctly, it was one of the last machines with a front panel. The Sol-20 I built soon afterwards managed without a panel.

    I also just got a retro Mattel football game as a gift. What a wonderful era. It was cheaper than the original too!

    1. Re:Oh, the Imsai by majestyk2000 · · Score: 1

      Did you get the little green one with the screen border that looks like a stadium? The one with the three rows of flashing red blip "players"? I got one of those when I was six or eight years old (I'm 31 now), and I still have it. Works too! Sorry, just thought I'd share.

    2. Re:Oh, the Imsai by peterwayner · · Score: 1

      I've got a retreaded version. Mattel is making them again and selling them under the Classic label. My original is long gone. The buttons wore out. The new one's got the same feel as the first. It's wonderful.

      I've noticed that they are also shipping the baseball version. And I also have a micro-mini version of the football game that's about 1 inch square. It's a working version for the key chain. Don't miss it.

  67. This is even more useless than a salad shooter by leereyno · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Someone needs to remind these guys what year it is. Had something like this come out in 1977 or so it would have been a competitive product. The problem is that it is 25 years later now and while Star Wars might not look too dated this thing sure does. S-100 systems and CP/M have been dead since before a good majority of the slashdot community were even born. Is there some reason why I should now shell out a thousand dollars for an S-100 system? For that kind of money I could get a Sun Blade 100, build myself a pretty decent Athlon system, or get my car's transmission fixed.

    This product surely belongs in the more dollars than sense catagory.

    Lee

    --
    Muslim community leaders warn of backlash from tomorrow morning's terrorist attack.
    1. Re:This is even more useless than a salad shooter by bubbaD · · Score: 0

      What the hell are you talking about! It's a collector's item. Like old books or old coins, cars or baseball memorabilia. Not to mention that there are people for whom a grand is chump change. Talk about lack of sense, did you think anyone would be buying these for practical use?
      Why do you think people pay money for old paintings from poeple long dead, when they could get a brand new painting on brand new canvas!

    2. Re:This is even more useless than a salad shooter by tdrury · · Score: 2

      Maybe its just me, but computers have lost virtually all their facination for me. I grew up programming a TI99/4a first via basic, then forth, then assembly language. Getting the machine to do anything was so much fun, I'd forget to sleep at night. Now, some *cough* 20 years later, the facination is completely gone.

      Lately I've been thinking getting a vintage computer might restore some of the wonder in programming. Personally, I'd never pay $1K for one. Instead, I'd find something on ebay for under $100.

      Now, as a hobby, I build embedded systems. Lately, I've been using the arm core (Atmel AT91 and StrongArm), but debugging the hardware for one of these requires a very expensive logic analyser.

      Where has the childhood fascination gone?

      -tim

  68. Mod Parent Up, Excellent Simpsons Reference by Nanite · · Score: 0

    Yea ,me and the IMSAI go waaaaay back. I have a story about the IMSAI and me, it's not really interesting as it is long.

    --
    God is real unless declared integer.
  69. A Recommendation to Submitters by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Please try to explain WTF it is you're talking about in your summary of your news article. Slashdot just passes lots of this stuff through without adding any useful commentary, and I know you think you're being cool and all by using acronyms that only you and a few of your friends are familiar with, but please do the rest of us a favor by making your submissions easier to read.

    "IMSAI Series 2"? WTF is that??? And then the rest of the caption goes on to spew more unintelligable stuff about this IMSAI thing? It has an S100 bus? Great! What does that mean?!?!

    I've just seen too many of these stories posted on Slashdot lately ... where it looks like the poster has just wanted to sound cool by not bothering to explain to the 99% of the population that isn't familiar with their pet little hobby, WTF they are talking about.

    How about this:

    "KLV Chip Gets MOD4 Scoping"

    F-Wad writes "Dysgen Inc. has begun shipping a new KLV chip with MOD4 scoping, allowing a bandwidth increase of over 50% in many cases. This should allow those of us without an interswitch to copy G6-level data nearly as fast as a real TTI-Mark IX!"

    This could have come right off of the front page of Slashdot, I swear.

    1. Re:A Recommendation to Submitters by JabberWokky · · Score: 2, Flamebait
      Yeah, I just *hate* it when a site oriented to technical types uses technical terms.

      You can also start bitching at all those .jp sites that use Japanese as well. Heck, go to slashdot.jp and get pissed at both at once.

      --
      Evan

      --
      "$30 for the One True Ring. $10 each additional ring!" -- JRR "Bob" Tolkien
    2. Re:A Recommendation to Submitters by Ratbert42 · · Score: 1

      I know you think you're being cool and all by using acronyms that only you and a few of your friends are familiar with...

      Hey yeah. What's with this PHP crap and P2P blech and Warcraft eye-eye-eye? Or this Linux thing? Why can't you cliquish geeks fill us drooling morons in?

    3. Re:A Recommendation to Submitters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Back in the days when Apple ][s and TRS-80s ruled mass-market computing, and MS-BASIC ruled ROM, S100 bus computers running CP/M were "open standards" machines of the day.

      S100 bus machine CPUs were on a card, so S100 bus machines were NOT all binary-compatible with each other. But if you had an 8080 CPU card, a S100 bus, and CP/M as the operating system, that was about as "standard" as it got for microcomputers available from multiple vendors.

    4. Re:A Recommendation to Submitters by jejones · · Score: 1, Troll

      Please reread the subtitle of /.: News for Nerds. The vast majority of the target audience does know about the S-100 bus, first designed for the Altair and common to most of the 8080/Z80 CP/M microcomputers of the late 70s and early 80s, and about the IMSAI, one of those computers. (Besides, the linked site has the background information; one need only follow the link.)

    5. Re:A Recommendation to Submitters by chris_sawtell · · Score: 2

      Ask your Daddy, you're to young to understand.

    6. Re:A Recommendation to Submitters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go to CNET. You may want to get ad blocking software while you're there, you'll need it Maybe you could go to some gaming sites, or sites dedicated to overclocking, etc.
      There are also computer jargon dictionaries on the web (Imagine that) Look up the terms you don't know or understand and maybe you'll actually learn something.

    7. Re:A Recommendation to Submitters by DJ+Uptime · · Score: 1

      Need I remind you that his User# is lower than yours, Daddy?

    8. Re:A Recommendation to Submitters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not trolling, but aren't the words "stuff that matters" also up there?

    9. Re:A Recommendation to Submitters by rasjani · · Score: 2

      OMG!

      There really is a slashdot.jp! And its exactly what is appears to be! *Shivers*

      --
      yush
    10. Re:A Recommendation to Submitters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have to ask, you aren't a nerd.

    11. Re:A Recommendation to Submitters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. That's the point. This kind of thing matters to nerds. We don't give a flying hoot about market dominance or earnings-per-share. We care about strange and wonderful technology for its own sake.

    12. Re:A Recommendation to Submitters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a nerd. This doesn't matter to me.

      "Wonderful" is a subjective term and to me there's nothing particularly wonderful about an outdated computer. "Strange" is just not really applicable to this machine in any way I can see. Seeing someone's homemade portable Atari is, to me, both strange and wonderful, knowing I can buy an IMSAI for more than I payed for my three desktops and my IPAQ together, not really.

      Going back to the original post's point. I'm fairly knowledgeable about computers and could probably, if not for this article, have gone through a life of working with them without ever having any idea what those five letters represented.

      While I love learning useless, inane things for their own value, it would have been nice to know what this article was about from a one sentence description and not have wasted my time.

    13. Re:A Recommendation to Submitters by kcollett · · Score: 1

      Except that instead of Cowboy Neal they have "Anonymous Paprica" (?)

    14. Re:A Recommendation to Submitters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The manufacturer's web site has absolutely NO information on what this thing is or what it does, just some references to a movie I've never seen. I can tell that this is some kind of computer, but that's it. Someone needs to redesign this company's web site.

    15. Re:A Recommendation to Submitters by Syberghost · · Score: 1

      I've just seen too many of these stories posted on Slashdot lately ... where it looks like the poster has just wanted to sound cool by not bothering to explain to the 99% of the population that isn't familiar with their pet little hobby, WTF they are talking about.

      Do you own homework, troll.

      WTF moderated that up?

    16. Re:A Recommendation to Submitters by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 2

      Wow. I've posted my fair share of (hopefully) well-thought-out stuff to Slashdot but the one day that I am in a bad mood and post a ranting flame that I think no one is going to read anyway, I get more responses than anything I've ever posted before. Guess I hit a nerve!

      You all have very good points. I was myself thinking about how this is a News for Nerds site and that there always will be people who aren't clued in on a particular topic when it comes up, and in fact my ranting could certainly be criticized from that perspective but ...

      If I were a submitter of a story suggestion to
      Slashdot, and I thought that there was a decent
      chance that many people would not know what it
      is (which I still believe is the case for IMSAI 2
      or whatever it is - I am as well-informed as your average geek and I have *never* heard of it), I would try to do everyone the courtesy of giving a small background clue about it.

      Really it all come down to my laziness. I like to scan through the Slashdot news items and pick up the ones that I find interesting and read more about them. It just makes it hard when there is so little to let me know what a story is about aside from a few acronyms. Yes, I am lazy and I could search google or what have you for details on it, but ... well, I didn't want to do that. I wanted to glimpse some clue of the meaning of the story from the Slashdot blurb on it. And I couldn't. And I really think it's because the IMSAI-2 and S100 bus are kind of obscure. Or at least obscure enough that it would be reasonable to suggest that alot of people (even Slashdot regulars) don't know what it is.

      It's just that I've been seeing many of these types of articles lately, and seeing one more just kinda pissed me off. It was a rant, I know. I even tried to put </rant> at the end of my message, but being in plain old text mode caused that tag to get swallowed for some reason and I was once again too lazy to bother correcting that, I just posted it as it was.

      Anyway, nobody is going to read a topic so old so ...

  70. Good thing it's not running their web server by ashitaka · · Score: 2

    The hit counters have been going nuts and the e-mail has suddenly taken a huge jump! I don't know what's happening yet..

    "Shall we play a game?"

    "How about G-l-o-b-a-l N-u-cl-e-a-r Sl-a-s-h-d-o-t-t-i-n-g."

    --
    If you don't want to repeat the past, stop living in it.
  71. Poly-88 by guzzler69 · · Score: 1

    Anyone remember the Polymorphic Systems 'Poly-88' S100 bus system? Originally released as the "Micro-Altair".

    Man I miss my old Poly-88.

    8" Floppies??? Ha! I had to use an old audio casette deck to save my programs. I was finally able to upgrade to 5 1/4" floppies (skipped the 8" for the higher density 5 1/4").

    I remember finishing typing in 'Hunt the Wumpus' and playing it for hours. Next came 'Lunar Lander' in text mode! It took me a month of work to rewrite it to have some basic block graphics. All of this in BASIC!

    I learned a valuable lesson about EMF with my Poly-88 right after I bought the RAM. Stero speakers and the Poly-88 don't play together well. I had my stereo on, with my Poly-88 on a shelf below my speaker. Fired up the Poly-88, BBBBZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTT. Fried the Poly-88.

    64k of RAM cost me around $1,000.00 at the time. Never did get to install the RAM, fried the system the night I was going to put it in.

    It took me a LONG time delivering newspapers to save up for this box and the extras. Did I mention that I was 12 or 13 at the time? I had to borrow the money from my parent for the RAM. I think I still need to pay them back for it.

  72. The slashdot effect :) by Qwerpafw · · Score: 1
    From the website:
    The hit counters have been going nuts and the e-mail has suddenly taken a huge jump! I don't know what's happening yet ...
    This guy just made my day :)

    Its one thing to be slashdotted, but its another thing entirely to have no clue that it is happening, and wonder at the sudden popularity of your website.

  73. I hosed up someone's P-Code card on a TI-99/4A by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Once I met someone with a P-Code card for their TI-99/4A.

    I had read that if you held down a certain key while the computer started up (I don't remember which one now, this was half-a-lifetime-ago) that the P-Code card would be damaged and stop working.

    I can vouch that indeed, if you held down the magic key, the P-Code card went to the big bit-bucket in the sky.

    Some time later he commented to me that his P-Code card had stopped working. I told him I had no clue why. ;-)

  74. Linux? by UnknownQ · · Score: 1

    But the question is: can you run Linux on it?

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    1. Re:Linux? by Derleth · · Score: 1

      You can strip the Linux kernel down so far it will run on nearly anything, but at some point you have to ask yourself something: Is it still Linux, or is it another OS that shares a little interoperability with Linux?

      This question is not as pedantic as it may first seem. Linux, as well as all other UNIX-based OSes, are pre-emptive multitasking OSes with the ability to protect memory and have seperate processes. The kernel itself is built around those assumptions. That requires a certain level of hardware sophistication: An 8086, for example, cannot handle seperate processes or memory protection. There is a port of Linux to the 8086, but the OS is crippled: The kernel itself has been reduced to what the hardware can support. That is, singletasking with no possible way to protect memory. A misbehaved or malicious program (or user) could invade the OS's personal space, as it were, and completely overwrite it, a problem common with DOSes and DOS-based OSes to this day but impossible in a true UNIX-like OS.

      Is it Linux? I would be inclined to say no. It might look like Linux to the casual user, it might even run most Linux programs, but at a very fundamental level, it isn't Linux.

      Moral of the story? Good OSes need good hardware, and good hardware hasn't always existed. It didn't exist when the IMSAI was developed, so the IMSAI can't run Linux. It could probably run an OS that calls itself Linux but lacks fundamental things due to hardware limitations. Sorry.

      My Source: They're running into these very issues trying to port Linux to the IBM AS/400.

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  75. Forget this.... by duckpoopy · · Score: 1

    Tell me when I can buy the WOPR.

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    word.
  76. Real reason to buy one of these by cmacb · · Score: 1

    I read thru all the arguments and analysis here about why this is or is not a good thing to buy. Sounds like few of you were around in 1975 when the original of this came out. This one was built to LOOK exactly liek the original for one reason: Thousands of geeks back then lusted to own one of these things. Having ANY kind of computer in your home was just a DREAM back then and well out of most peoples price range. Two machines I considered were the IMSAI and a similar box by Altair. I never had quite the loose cash to do it though and didn't wind up able to buy my own PC until the IBM/AT came out. Had to take something like a car load out to do that too. So the real reason is nostalgia. Same reason people drive arout 50 year old cars. Very easy to understand.

  77. Irony by egregious · · Score: 1

    Does anyone else see the irony in "pre-ordering" a product form a company that almost invented vapor-ware and floated their busines for months without delivering product? :-)

    Johann

  78. that's it by g4dget · · Score: 4, Funny

    Your geek and nerd cards are revoked immediately. Someone who doesn't know what an IMSAI or S-100 bus is just cannot be a geek or nerd.

    1. Re:that's it by Don+Negro · · Score: 2

      He could have been excused for his ignorance; after all, he might not have been born when these came out the first time.

      But... any geek born since that time would have the curiosity to search google for the answer, rather than complaining about not understanding.

      That, in a nutshell, is the difference between a geek and normal person.

      Thank you, God, for making me a geek.

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      Don Negro
      Perl 6 will give you the big knob. -- Larry Wall

  79. Re:WarGames simulation by smithysrise · · Score: 1

    If you're interested in Wargames, my very poor Wargames simulation, written in java years ago, is here.

    (Warning: rest of the site also old, has frames, and cheesy windows like buttons. I wouldn't bother looking unless you like Sharp computers or old Psions.)

  80. What the hell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What was this news piece all about? Computers from the 70's? Did they even have computers back then? I thought the only thing that they had in the 70's was polyester pants and disco.

  81. $900 for this? by jonr · · Score: 1, Redundant

    I can get Athlon XP for this amount! Why buy a Hz computer when you can get GHz for the same price.

    1. Re:$900 for this? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      Why? Beacuse you might have to actually LEARN to use this one.. a 'pc' any moron can use..

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    2. Re:$900 for this? by User+956 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and you can lean to use a WinXP machine, or for that matter, a Lindows machine. Macs are overpriced mediocrity.

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      The theory of relativity doesn't work right in Arkansas.
  82. Playing with obsolete technology by marnanel · · Score: 2

    There's nothing inherently wrong with playing with obsolete technology: by examining the systems of the past, you give yourself a chance to learn from history. Not only that, but it has all the normal benefits of a counterculture: the return of ancient systems to viability (by those who are freakish enough to take an interest) necessarily works against the tendency of mainstream society to damage itself by producing a monoculture.

    One thing that interests me, though, is that people who resuscitate ancient hardware get kudos, whereas doing the same with ancient protocols is a "pretty crazy idea".

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  83. Re:The only way to win: love one another by fdisk3hs · · Score: 1

    WRONG! Don't you remember...

    The only way to win is to NOT PLAY THE GAME.

    Joshua figured it out...

    And he wasn't even a Cray...

    LR :)

  84. Now you're onto something by whuppy · · Score: 1

    Forget about the guts of the thing, how could would it be to have an IMSAI 8080 chassis as your case?

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    whuppy enjoys smelling like diesel fuel
  85. This must be a joke by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    While i love old stuff as much as the next guy..( or even more looking at my collection of 70's and 80's pcs in my garage )...
    They cant be serious.. selling this ( copyrighted stuff to boot ) for 1k$?

    Could build it out of spare parts for 50 bucks, and some patience with a paint can..

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    ---- Booth was a patriot ----
  86. Why? Because... by AltairMan · · Score: 1

    Todd Fischer is the "Fischer" in Fischer-Frietas, Inc. F-F purchased the assets (with his wife, Frietas, I believe. I don't remember her first name) of IMSAI when it went belly-up. Both worked at IMSAI; he in the serice department. Not too much later, F-F also closed (1983 I think). In 1999, Todd started-up Imsai again to capitalize on the growing wave of nostaliga surrounding the early S100 machines, particularly the Altair. This wave was fanned by the increasing awareness of the general public of the history of early personal computing, particularly as a result of books like "Gates" and documentaries about the Valley starring "Robert Cringley". These machines were showing up on eBay, with owners raking in mega-bucks...paying for vacations to the Bahamas with the proceeds from the sales of their formerly closet-bound computers to people with too much disposable income who saw an old Altair or IMSAI as a new investment vehicle. It seems like he's recently made the leap to production, with July delivery. I still can't justify spending $1000 for a machine that's not even the "real thing." It seems like an excellent re-implementation of the original, but it's just not the same. To get my fix of early computing, I've focused my efforts on running the Altair32 Emulation project. The project also has an IMSAI mode. The URL is http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/Alta ir32.htm

  87. Oooo. Toggle switches & blinking lights. by crovira · · Score: 2

    Ever had to enter the IPL by entering the boot instructionsn on the front paned?

    Back in the days when you'd be able to make sense of the pattern of flashing lights. Now fuggedaboutdid.

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    MSBPodcast.com The opinions expressed here are my own. If you don't like 'em... Think up your own stuff.
  88. the mandatory.. by hakkikt · · Score: 1

    Imagine a beowulf.... eehh...
    do they have NICs?
    can I put them in clusters?

    :)

  89. Re:I got started on the original IMSAI... TMS9918A by millette · · Score: 1

    If far I as I can recall, both the TI 99/4A and the Coleco/Adam sported a TMS9918A graphics cpu. That chip natively handled 32 z-levels, each one hosting a sprite of your design. Ah the memories, coding in Logo, booting up CP/M...

  90. Hmm.. by User+956 · · Score: 1

    I guess some people just like old tech...

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    The theory of relativity doesn't work right in Arkansas.
  91. Re:First post by EugeneK · · Score: 1
    Marxism has now confirmed: Capitalism is dying.


    Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered bourgeoisie when
    Das Kapital confirmed that the rate of profit tends to fall
    leading to crisis, war and the ultimate destruction of the capitalism
    system. Coming on the heels of the latest economic data showing that
    the US is entering a deep recession, this news serves to reinforce
    what we've know all along. Capitalism is collapsing in complete disarray,
    as further exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Economist comprehensive survey.


    You don't need to be a Lenin to predict capitalism's future. The hand
    writing is on the wall: capitalism faces a bleak future. In fact there
    won't be any future at for capitalism because capitalism is dying. Things
    are looking very bad for capitalism. As many of us are already aware
    surplus value (S) is redistributed among individual capitals by
    competition leading to an average rate of profit (r) relative to the
    organic composition of capital. In order to improve their position
    individual capitalism must increase their production of surplus value;
    either by increasing the length of working day, but this has
    physiological limits or by increasing the constant capital used but
    this leads to a fall in the average rate of profit.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
    Capitalist leader George W Bush states that there 7000 capitalists.
    How about members of the proletariat are there? Let's see. The number
    of proletariats in America is roughly 200 million. Therefore
    there are about 100000 workers which for each person with an
    interest in capitalism. A recent article put the petty bourgeoisie at
    a rapidly declining proportion of the population. This is consistent
    with the predictions of the communist manifesto.
    Due to the troubles of British imperialism, two world wars and so on,
    European capitalism went out of business and was taken over by Yankee
    imperialism who were also in trouble. Now US imperialism is also dead,
    its venality and corruption exposed by its own creation, radical
    Islam.


    All major surveys show that capitalism has steadily declined in credibility.
    Capitalism is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very
    dim. If capitalism is to survive at all it will be as a fascist
    dictatorship. Capitalism continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could
    save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, capitalism is
    dead.


    Fact : Capitalism is dying.

  92. IMSAI Series Two by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember playing with these things before I was 10 years old. And they could do some pretty nifty things in the 32K to 64K they had in them then. I just remember them as fun things where you could debug the entire machine to perfection in a couple weeks! (Try that with Windows!) And if you want to jump back and forth a quarter century, you can put an ATX board in the back decked out with the newest stuff and run Linux on it. :-)