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Scientists Create Lullabies From Brain Waves

Lord Custos writes "From ABC News: Your Brain Waves are Better than Sleeping Pills! Everyone has a song in them...literally. And you can use it to put yourself to sleep. Canadian scientists have discovered that deep sleep can be induced in insomniacs by copying the insomniacs brainwaves, turning it into 'music', and then playing this 'audio transcription' of their own sleep brainwave pattern back to them."

239 comments

  1. Make Mine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Techno

    1. Re:Make Mine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      6661672e

  2. Heavy Metal? by eviljolly · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So do very mentally distrubed people play more intense music? What about crazy people, does theirs sound like Pink Floyd or something?

    1. Re:Heavy Metal? by InadequateCamel · · Score: 1

      I would love to find out what sort of person has Aphex Twin running through their heads. Maybe Martha Stewart?

    2. Re:Heavy Metal? by WowTIP · · Score: 2

      Thanks to you I now have Aphex Twin - Windowlicker running though my head.

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      --

      "I'm surfin the dead zone
      In the twilight, unknown"
    3. Re:Heavy Metal? by SpaceJunkie · · Score: 1

      I would have put Pink Floyd in the stoner category myself... Along with Ozrics and The Orb... Though some of them are quite crazy - not necessarily all...

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      OrionRobots.co.uk - Robots From sol
    4. Re:Heavy Metal? by spacecowboy420 · · Score: 1

      Martha Stewart having "Come To Daddy" going through her brain...Thats an eerie thought

      --
      ymmv
    5. Re:Heavy Metal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has anyone ever expierienced Dream Theater? I would mix my own brain waves in there. Possibly I would stick and orgasm in every once and a while. Hopefully I don't end up with sticky sheets.

      Or you could capture someone elses EKG during urination and play that while they sleep... On repeat.

    6. Re:Heavy Metal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could capture someone elses EKG during urination and play that while they sleep...

      I think you mean EEG.

    7. Re:Heavy Metal? by InadequateCamel · · Score: 1

      How the hell did he get modded up for this comment?

      From Confused in Canada

    8. Re:Heavy Metal? by WowTIP · · Score: 2

      Hmm... Karma? Heard of it? New to slashdot?

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      --

      "I'm surfin the dead zone
      In the twilight, unknown"
    9. Re:Heavy Metal? by InadequateCamel · · Score: 1

      Well, now I know what it means. Thank you.

  3. It's 3:15 by Alien+Being · · Score: 2

    Can i get it now?

  4. Good God! by Fizzol · · Score: 2, Funny

    As a long suffering insomniac (which is why I'm up at 3:15am instead of snoozing) I have GOT to get me one of these.

    Unless of course they're using it for some vile twisted Twilight Zone plot to convert all us insomniacs to soldier for some evil army. Of course one advantage is that we'd all tend to fall asleep at the worst possible times.

    1. Re:Good God! by LilGuy · · Score: 1

      A disadvantage of not having one and being an insomniac would probably be paranoia .. ;)

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      You're nothing; like me.
    2. Re:Good god! by LilGuy · · Score: 1

      I'll bet they do! What did you think would happen when you sat at home all day jacking off to her music videos? You'd only releived some stress? Sorry, now your brainwaves have succumb to the awesome powers of the big breasted babe. Now that its part of your brainwaves you can never forget her. Hi, I'm Jim. I am the founder of M.B. Mutated Brainwaves, I'd just like to personally welcome you to our encounter session. ...

      God I'm bored..

      --

      You're nothing; like me.
    3. Re:Good god! by commonchaos · · Score: 2, Funny

      Even more scary is the thought that you can listen to her long enough to fall asleep.

    4. Re:Good God! by Chexsum · · Score: 0

      up at 3:15am

      I think you are misdiagnosed. I sleep when I cannot stay awake any longer so I consider this insomnia. If I work I sleep normally but I am on a 6 day cycle ATM from too much energy. Undeterminable hours is my definition of insomnia although I havent bothered to look the scientific definition up until now so here it is;

      insomnia
      n : an inability to sleep; chronic sleeplessness [ant: {hypersomnia}] -- dict.org

      insomnia Pronunciation Key (n-smn-)
      n.

      Chronic inability to fall asleep or remain asleep for an adequate length of time. -- dictionary.com

      --
      Pixels keep you awake!
    5. Re:Good God! by Hayzeus · · Score: 1
      Unless of course they're using it for some vile twisted Twilight Zone plot to convert all us insomniacs to soldier for some evil army.

      Expect the recruitment numbers for the Canadian military to go way up.

    6. Re:Good god! by hitzroth · · Score: 1

      Well, I know mine probably sounds like the Greatful Dead.

      --
      In mathematics, one does not understand things, one merely gets used to them.
      --VonNeumann
    7. Re:Good God! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool Edit Pro will let you encode brainwave synch signals into noise or music.

  5. old? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Isn't this actually 'old'? It's a well known fact you synchronize your brainwaves to the music you hear if it falls into an acceptable pattern. Heck, even look at commercial stuff like CoolEdit, which has a brainwave pattern generator built in for editing music. It even has some scripting to make your brain ready for specific things (like sleep brainwave patterns).

    There are even commercial devices based on the concept. Like the flashing-glasses-beeping-headphones combo machines. And it seems only natural that you'd sleep better when you can listen to a sleep brainwave pattern tuned exactly to yours, instead of a 'general' one...

    1. Re:old? by HimalayanRoadblock · · Score: 3, Informative

      the flashing-glasses-beeping-headphones combo machines

      Those are for LUCID DREAMING. In laymans terms thats a dream in which u are aware its a dream and you take control. Go to google and search for lucid dreaming. You'll find more information than you want to know about.

    2. Re:old? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      i do know about lucid dreaming, even though i very rarely manage to have one. the lucid dreaming devices are usually different in that they are timed to bring you back to consciousness in your sleep at a predefenide time.

      THERE ARE devices that are solely for the brainwave stimulation approach, NOT for lucid dreaming (although they could be used for that purpose)

    3. Re:old? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How could I ever take control over something as bizarre as my dreans?

    4. Re:old? by nemesisj · · Score: 2

      Kind of along similar lines - I participated in several "brain training" sessions where I was hooked up to a computer and when my brain waves were in a sweet spot, a tone would sound. The tone was interpreted as positive reinforcement by my brain and over time my brainwaves adjusted to the more efficient state. This allowed me to sleep better, concentrate better, etc. Kind of related to what you're talking about, but cooler.

    5. Re:old? by dissy · · Score: 1

      Actually there are devices that have nothing to do with lucid dreaming that do this as well.

      One 'trick' was to have a pair of goggles with a LED in each eye piece that flashes at a certain frequency. With your eyes closed (Just seeing the color change through your eyelids) your brain would try to match its frequency with that of the LEDs flashing.

      This was used to slow the brain down to fall into deep sleeps, and also used to try and keep a person in the 'alpha wave' state, which is used for hypnosis as it is believed your very subjective in this state.

      These methods dont require even consious knowledge by the person being effected to be useful, which is far from the case with lucid dreaming.

    6. Re:old? by HimalayanRoadblock · · Score: 1

      Yeah I appologize, I know what yer talking about. They used to have them at the Sharper Image.

  6. Now to find the commonalities by Trane+Francks · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Filter out the differences among various subjects, figure out what the common patters are and we'll have a nice, common bit that should work for anybody. Cool idea. I don't have trouble sleeping most of the time, but this would be nice to have at my disposal for those "project crunch" moments.

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    ...a FreeDOS contributor: http://www.freedos.org/
    1. Re:Now to find the commonalities by LilGuy · · Score: 1

      Did you just snort a fat line of meth? Where did you come up with that idea?

      It ain't right man, it just ain't right..

      --

      You're nothing; like me.
    2. Re:Now to find the commonalities by Trane+Francks · · Score: 1

      > Did you just snort a fat line of meth?

      Now there's an intelligent comeback.

      > Where did you come up with that idea?

      It's a logical extension of the "conclusions" presented in the article. We assume that since most of us non-meth-snorting humans have common brainwave characteristics that there should be common sonic patterns that will help induce relaxation and/or sleep.

      It's not much different than chanting-based meditation techniques except that whereas saying "ooooohm" is based on religious practice, we now have a way of analyzing things in a scientifically sound fashion that, by rights, should be reproducible.

      Of course, while some will be studying how to use such tones to relax and induce sleep, you wanna bet yer sweet bippy that there are going to be Very Secret Places studying how to use these same techniques to induce stress, terror and other psychological trauma.

      "We have ways of making you talk" will undoubtedly get scarier.

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      ...a FreeDOS contributor: http://www.freedos.org/
    3. Re:Now to find the commonalities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Of course, wouldn't it really suck if the commonality happened to be the sound for "om".

      The reverse sound of terror being "mo" or "moo". All that time . . . cows are trying to terrorize us. Man, makes me feel less guilty about eating burgers.

    4. Re:Now to find the commonalities by yelligsc · · Score: 1

      Nyquil.

      Enough said.

  7. Abuse? by dlek · · Score: 3, Funny

    Will it still put me to sleep if I play it really, really loud?

    1. Re:Abuse? by LilGuy · · Score: 1

      Better suggestion: Turn your belltones up really, really high.

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      You're nothing; like me.
    2. Re:Abuse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forget putting yourself to sleep, walk into a bank and blast it, cha-ching!

    3. Re:Abuse? by cube+farmer · · Score: 2

      I can imagine it now: Mass narcolepsy at American airports as NASA implements its plan to scan brain waves.

      Avoid the rush: Get your aluminum foil deflector beanie now!

      --

      MacOS, Windows, BeOS, GNOME, KDE: they're all just Xerox copies

  8. Interesting.... by FuzzyMan45 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I wonder if it sounds anything like cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp. Personally, i think Seti@home executable sounds the coolest, followed by any NTFS filesystem. Dont ask me why, but sometimes it sounds like trance/techno music, even has the right BPM.

    1. Re:Interesting.... by xanadu-xtroot.com · · Score: 2

      Personally, i think Seti@home executable sounds the coolest

      OK, OK. I had to try it. I've been cat'ing various things to dsp. The SETI executable does sound pretty cool, some KSpread files are quite cool. No real rhythm, just a neat string of sounds. I might have to work on theis a bit.

      P.S.
      The SETILog.csv that KSETI Watch makes sounds pretty cool after it's logged a few hundered units like mine has (I've comleted almost 4000 total ov er teh years though). Give it a try!

      --
      I'm not a prophet or a stone-age man,
      I'm just a mortal with potential of a super man.
    2. Re:Interesting.... by Usquebaugh · · Score: 2

      Uh oh, I think I see the next geek hobby, sort of harking back to the origins of home brew CC.

      Writing programs whose main purpose is to produce tuneful executables. It would be cool to see if stable programs were more tuneful than unstable ones. Hmm prehaps I can get my PhD, where do I submit my proposal :-)

      The HBCC reference was about writing programs that caused EMI from the chip to produce music on an AM radio. I used to do this in my first job as a mainframe op, you could tell if the machine was looping etc by the tone on the radio.

  9. Good god! by spoco2 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I hope mine doesn't sound anything like Brittany Spears!

  10. AutoZen by sheol · · Score: 5, Interesting

    take a look at this software project AutoZen.

    from their site: "AutoZen is a software 'brain machine' for Linux. It generates sounds that are meant to cause the brain to temporarily shift to a different dominant frequency and cause the user to experience an altered state of consciousness. It is similar to the devices seen in the 'Sharper Image' catalog and in magazine ads, but the price is a lot more attractive!"

    1. Re:AutoZen by nido · · Score: 2

      The Brainwave Generator is the Windows equivalent of the same. While not freeware, the shareware version is nearly fully-functional (you can't load someone else's presets, until you register). I've used it a bit, and it does work pretty well..

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      Learn the rules so you know how to break them properly.
      www.teslabox.com
    2. Re:AutoZen by Dragon213 · · Score: 1

      I don't know the about the rest of you, but I've tried that program. All it did was give me a splitting headache for about 2 weeks....

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      --CypherDragon
    3. Re:AutoZen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool Edit Pro can generate various noise patterns or use music and encode these kinds of patterns into them.

    4. Re:AutoZen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      All it did was give me a splitting headache for about 2 weeks.
      Really?? Using which preset, and for how long? Myself as well as several friends like Brainwave Generator a lot more than SBaGen or AutoZen, and we've never experienced any negative effects at all from any of them.
  11. Didjeridus by jukal · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I quess australian aboriginals have knewn this for long. Have you ever heard someone really good play a didjeridu (didgeridoo)? Have sleeping problems? Our first son had some, then one day, we put the didjeridu cassette in the player, and not just our boy, but rest of the family felt asleep in a matter of minutes. If you have never heard with it sounds like, here is some samples. If brain waves don't sound like that, I am amazed ;))

    1. Re:Didjeridus by jukal · · Score: 2
      > I quess australian aboriginals have knewn this for long

      Gee! Someone should make his thesis work about my typos and bad verb conjugation.

    2. Re:Didjeridus by stipe42 · · Score: 1

      You can fall asleep to Didjeridus? They just give me bad headaches . . . it's worse than noise.
      stipe42

    3. Re:Didjeridus by blastedtokyo · · Score: 5, Informative
      Next time read the article.

      'The participants showed dramatic improvement over placebo participants who listened to someone else's brain music instead of their own.

      "For the placebo group, the improvement was only about 15 percent as compared to 75 to 85 percent for the experimental group. So it's a highly significant statistical difference,"'

      In other words, you need to listen to your own brainwaves, not some random noise or someone else's rhythms.

    4. Re:Didjeridus by jukal · · Score: 3, Funny
      > You can fall asleep to Didjeridus? They just give me bad headaches

      Uhm. I am able to fall asleep while laying on the floor with two kids jumping over my back, having Tarzan with volume jumping in the TV and yelling, and my wife jumping all over the house because she's trying to speak to me, and I hear nothing. Compare didgeridoo to that, and it's a miracle. :)

    5. Re:Didjeridus by jukal · · Score: 2, Funny
      > Next time read the article.

      Well, Sir, I was just referring to a musical instrument, which based on minimal empirical research indicated similar kind of effect as the results of the research work partially covered in the article you referred.

    6. Re:Didjeridus by DennyK · · Score: 2

      Those are somewhat relaxing, especially the slow ones. Unfortunatly, my pop-culture-soaked brain keeps cringing in anticipation of either the Survivor theme or a Foster's commercial everytime it hears one. Dammit... ;-)

      DennyK

    7. Re:Didjeridus by BitwizeGHC · · Score: 1

      hehe, I'm tempted to cup my hands in front of my mouth and make guttural "hweeeeyooowww hweeeyoooow" noises in imitation when I hear one on TV. Especially at the beginning of Rocko's Modern Life.

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      N4st0r, trixx0r h0bb1tz0rz! Th3y st0l3 0ur pr3c10uzz!
    8. Re:Didjeridus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RRRRRRR...ZZZZzzzzzzz...RRRRRR...ZZZZzzzzzz...
      RR RRRRRRR...ZZzz...RRRRR...ZZzz...

    9. Re:Didjeridus by rw2 · · Score: 2

      In other words, you need to listen to your own brainwaves, not some random noise or someone else's rhythms.

      Wow, harsh criticism. Especially considering it's unfounded.

      The article did do what you refer to, but they did nothing to contradict the decades old knowledge concerning noise and brainwaves. Read the first couple posts in this thread. There are several tools available that use binaural beats to attempt to change the state of the brain.

      I had one about ten years ago that ran on DOS and found the results to be very convincing.

      So, yes, the study in the article used the patients own brainwaves, but that doesn't mean it's the only way to do it. A Didjeridus way well be another way, or may not be, but certainly didn't warrent a "Next time read the article" rant.

    10. Re:Didjeridus by powerlinekid · · Score: 2

      This also appears to have an interesting affect on animals which I'm noticing at the moment. I downloaded the mp3 and played it. Can definitly see why it'd put you to sleep. However the better affect is in watching my kitten. This is the first time I've ever really seen her respond to noise from a speaker. While playing cds or whatnot shes usually just ignore it as background noise. This however has her sitting there confused looking for the source. She actually walked up to the speaker on the wall and was sniffing it, trying to figure out where the hell its coming from. Now shes lying there with her ears moving in rhythm with the sounds. Very strange... maybe the next time she decides to be a little bastard I'll put this on.

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      can't sleep slashdot will eat me
  12. Implications by prockcore · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wonder if I can

    cat /proc/kcore | /dev/dsp

    to put my computer to sleep.

    1. Re:Implications by prockcore · · Score: 1

      "You idiot. I'f your'e gonna "act" like a linux user, put the right commands..."

      I made a single typo. You made two while correcting me.

      Besides, perhaps I replaced /dev/dsp with a shell script.

    2. Re:Implications by JamesSharman · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't know about that but:

      cat /dev/dsp > /proc/kcore

      Will definetly work! :-)

    3. Re:Implications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You`ve got a nerve calling someone an idiot with a name like Josh! I`m glad I don't know your parents. Still, I guess its better than being called Malcolm or Nigel. (You`ve got brothers, right?)

    4. Re:Implications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Besides, perhaps I replaced /dev/dsp with a shell script.

      Riiight. Good recovery! ;)

    5. Re:Implications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, what a clever troll, especially with the | /dev/dsp part. He fooled all the moderators!

    6. Re:Implications by griffjon · · Score: 2

      godddamnnnit, cat /user/MountainDew > /sys/kbd certainly fubars things, tho. Time to open the Closet of Doom and bring out a new keyboard.

      Don't post things like that without a "swallow beverage before reading" warning, OK?

      --
      Returned Peace Corps IT Volunteer
    7. Re:Implications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Folks, don't try this at home.

      Or at work. Unless you want a good excuse to cancel your contract.

  13. i love science by dcstimm · · Score: 1

    so if I cat /dev/null > /dev/dsp and listen to it while sleeping will it make me smarter or dumber?

    This is kinda cool....

    "For the placebo group, the improvement was only about 15 percent as compared to 75 to 85 percent for the experimental group. So it's a highly significant statistical difference," Kayumov says. It also shows that brain music is highly individualistic.

    It worked, he adds, because the sleep music was lower in frequency than other brain waves and induced kind of a relaxed, meditative condition. In other words, each subject's brain recognized its own lullaby and reacted accordingly.

    1. Re:i love science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't cat null. but try /dev/zero
      if you whant to be a looser...

    2. Re:i love science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> so if I cat /dev/null > /dev/dsp and listen to it while sleeping will it make me smarter or dumber?

      Smarter. :-)

  14. Worse by Raul654 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can just imagine it now - some company would go into buisness taking EEG recordings of celebrities and offering them for sale. Just imagine how many people pay to listen to the brainwaves Bill Gates, or Marylin Mason, Calista Flockhart (food bad, thin good, food bad, thin good), etc etc. I guess it all depends on your taste.

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    To make laws that man cannot, and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt.
    --E.C. Stanton
    1. Re:Worse by AndyChrist · · Score: 2

      I want to hear the brains of the criminally insane.

    2. Re:Worse by AndyChrist · · Score: 2

      Better yet, how about the brain waves of a convict in an electric chair?

    3. Re:Worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, YOU are fucked up.

      Take as much offence as you find necessary.

    4. Re:Worse by SpaceJunkie · · Score: 1

      Something Like Megadeth - or less tastefully AC-DC....

      --
      OrionRobots.co.uk - Robots From sol
    5. Re:Worse by The_Guv'na · · Score: 1

      Yeah I can see it now, the once sleepless office drones waking up refreshed and happy, with the following new traits from their choice of CD's...

      • Bill Gates: You wake up with a sharp business acumen, and convinced you'd look great with a gentle side parting.

      • Marylin Manson: Your sleep-walking has now progressed into sleep-chucking-stuff-out-the-window, and when awake you talk like you're still asleep.

      • John Katz: You decide to write one last book review and bugger off to live in the remote Scottish highlands.

      • Bill Clinton: You really can get chicks and influence people!

      • Me: You still have insomnia.

      Ali

  15. Looks like a nice way to practice hynoptism :) by USS.Spock · · Score: 1

    Hell, i just had an interesting thought, since we can just playback those funky brain waves, might be useful to just put some sense into. Why not even ask him/her to do some really nasty things ? Btw how safe is that ? what if this does some neural damage ? Sad that you cant really do this kind of experiment on a lab rat, FYI i dnt want anyone to mess with my mind, be it beautiful or not...grrrr

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    -- Live Long And Prosper
  16. OMG by Raul654 · · Score: 2

    I don't know if it's because it's late, but listening to those samples really is making me tired.

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    To make laws that man cannot, and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt.
    --E.C. Stanton
  17. Multiple Applications? by shirai · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's an interesting experiment and I started paying attention when they mentioned that there was a placebo (it's amazing how many of these so-called experiments don't).

    The fact that it works on sleep in itself is interesting but I wonder how these might apply to, say happines, or intense concentration or dare I say horniness. Just play back the brainwave of your choosing and you put yourself into the optimal state for whatever it is you want to be doing.

    --
    Sunny

    Be my Friend

    1. Re:Multiple Applications? by darqchild · · Score: 1

      What was that device they used in Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? I think it was called the "Penfield Mood Organ".

      --
      What? Me? Worry?
  18. subliminal advertising?.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... [snooze] .. hotdogs.. amor hot dogs... what kind of kids eat armor hotdogs... ...[/snooze]

  19. neato by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anybody know where to get a recording of one of these?

    Describing the sounds in text didn't work too well.

  20. MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  21. This must be an advertisement by ndogg · · Score: 5, Funny

    What better place than here to find insomniacs?

    Cowboy Neal is obviously no exception to the rule:
    "Posted by CowboyNeal on Thursday August 29, @02:15AM"

    --
    // file: mice.h
    #include "frickin_lasers.h"
  22. Addiction. by jericho4.0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    from the end of the article: "And here's the neat part. It won't become addictive. There won't be any serious side effects, like those caused by various medications that are now available." It seems to me that it could addictive. Many addictions result from the body lowering production of naturally ocuring substances because it's being replaced with the addictive substance. Remove the substance and you go into withdrawl. Who's to say that, over time, the brain wouldn't lose the ability to generate these patterns naturally? People noted the simularity of music and brain waves a long time ago. I bet with hi-fi equipment we could pull out some very cool sounding stuff. - it would be interesting to transcribe brain waves of anger/sex/high states.

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    "A language that doesn't affect the way you think about programming, is not worth knowing" - Alan Perlis
    1. Re:Addiction. by Tune · · Score: 2

      Anyone saw Until the End of the World, starring William Hurt as a zombie addicted to his own dreams?

    2. Re:Addiction. by prockcore · · Score: 3, Funny

      Some addictions aren't bad anyways.

      I'm addicted to breathing... if I stop breathing for even a minute, my body goes through severe withdrawl. But someone told me that for all physical addictions, it's out of your system after 3 days and then you'll just need to cope with the mental addiction.

      One of these days I'll hold my breath for 3 days, and finally kick this air addiction that's ruling my life and hindering my dream of becoming a merman.

    3. Re:Addiction. by jonadab · · Score: 2

      The statement in the article notwithstanding, I'm fairly certain
      it _does_ have the potential to be addictive. My own research
      shows very clearly that sleep is a very addictive habbit that
      not one person in a hundred can kick.

      --
      Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
    4. Re:Addiction. by DCheesi · · Score: 1

      Depends on how you define addiction. Full addiction usually includes both dependence (need it to function or avoid withdrawal), and escalating usage ('high'-seeking behavior).

      No doubt one could become dependent on this. In my experience, anything that becomes associated with sleep or bedtime can quickly become necessary for sleep, especially if you're a borderline insomniac (like me). Even if it's a purely psychological effect, you can bet that people will become dependent on their special CD.

      As for escalating usage, I don't see how that would happen. How does one increase the 'dose'? Turning up the volume probably won't help ( the noise will keep you awake after a certain point), and you'll only want to use it during sleep hours.

    5. Re:Addiction. by haa...jesus+christ · · Score: 1

      Keep in mind that there are two kinds of addiction- physiological, which this probably won't be, and psychological, which this definitely could be.

    6. Re:Addiction. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wonder if this kind of technology could be useful in helping people kick addiction. Use it to quell the symptoms of withdrawal from specific kinds of brain activity. The treatment itself might be based on the individual characteristics of the addict's own brain.

    7. Re:Addiction. by Sj0 · · Score: 2

      If the brain lost it's ability to produce brainwaves, you'd be dead. If you are dead, I don't think you'd need to worry about a good nights sleep anymore.

      --
      It's been a long time.
    8. Re:Addiction. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can say from personal experience that using methods of brainwave entrainment tend to make you better at controlling your brainwaves.

      It's essentially training yourself to hack your own mind. As far as anger/sex/high states, already been done. Check out some of the Brainwave Generator programs people have created. ;)

    9. Re:Addiction. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      breathing isn't an addiction, silly. it's an involuntary bodily function.

    10. Re:Addiction. by dexter+riley · · Score: 1

      Great movie! I only wish it were out on DVD. "You are leaving the mapzone database. You're on your own...Claire."

  23. COWBOYNEAL'S AWAKE TO GET HIS ANUS HUMPED BY TACO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  24. No sleep by xpurple · · Score: 1

    What I would prefer is to not have to deal with sleep. Maby take naps from time to time, but not have it required.

    I know drugs can help with this sort of thing, and I've gone well over a week without a wink (lots of coffee).

    Only problem with being awake for that long is you start to 'see' things. You know, guys in black suits following you around, flying sauscers, and talking fish. Wait a sec, guys in black suits follow me around normaly. Scratch that one, just the last two then.

    It has to be something that will let me not have to sleep, yet remain sane (well, as much as I was to begin with).

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    1. Re:No sleep by Donut2099 · · Score: 1

      I don't know what kinda coffee your smoking...

    2. Re:No sleep by DoctorFrog · · Score: 2

      This may be the drug you're looking for.

    3. Re:No sleep by allanj · · Score: 2

      As I understand it, sleep activates the brains method of "garbage collecting". In other words, while you sleep your thoughts get better organized and your mind detaches unused information. If you're willing to forego THAT (read: become a raving lunatic), then go right ahead and do without sleep. Just let the rest of the world know when you hit the one-week barrier again, so we can stay out of your reach.


      But it would depend on your definition of "nap". Does it last 1 hour? 2 maybe? I seem to recall the garbage collection stuff being related to REM sleep, which starts about 1 hour into your sleep (figure pulled entirely from memory). So naps of 2 hours or so should definately help you keep your mind, but in the long run you'll probably just have to come to turns with the fact that we're DESIGNED (creationist?/Darwinist? - still true) to need sleep.

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    4. Re:No sleep by darqchild · · Score: 1

      I've heard that that sort of stuff happens when you don't sleep. Aparently the brain needs to dream. And it will, whether you sleep or not. And, as an after thought.. I really must try smoking coffee..

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      What? Me? Worry?
    5. Re:No sleep by falzer · · Score: 1

      Yes, you start to dream on your feet. Free drugs! Or, as JWZ would have it, free if your time has no value.

    6. Re:No sleep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The caffeine would not survive combustion. You would need to freebase it, i.e. smoke it through a device that allows it to be heated without directly applying the flame, like a vaporizor or "crack pipe"

  25. speaking of ole' bill by (blind)+(idiot) · · Score: 1

    Since the subject of sleep and Bill Gates came up, the hack jungian psychoanalyst in me had a disturbing thought. Do you think Bill Gates' Shadow is Tux the Penguin?

  26. ... and statistics. by valentyn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As the saying goes "lies, damned lies and statistics", this research proves it again: "Ten persons who had suffered from insomnia [...] For the placebo group, the improvement was only about 15 percent as compared to 75 to 85 percent for the experimental group". That means that three quarters of a person in the (5 persons) placebo group slept better, whereas 3.75 to 4.25 persons slept better with their own brain music. "10 persons is not a large group, but the project builds on numerous other related studies". Yeah right. Maybe psychiatrist Leonid Kayumov listened too much to his own brain music? (So maybe it is addictive! ;)

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    1. Re:... and statistics. by DennyK · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Err, I think they were referring to how much the group improved as a whole, not how many members of the group showed improvement.

      Still, it would be nice to see the experiment done on a larger sample.

      DennyK

    2. Re:... and statistics. by Ster · · Score: 1

      I would imagine that they ran the experiment repeatedly over multiple nights. Say the experimental group and the control group were each five people, and that they did 20 nights of testing. That's one hundred tests each. If 75 to 85 of the one hundred experimental trials were sucessful, and if only 15 of the placebo group worked...

      -Ster

    3. Re:... and statistics. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know... you could be right.... or maybe you didn't think this all the way through.

      6/10 = 16.67%
      3/4 = 75%, and maybe someone said it sort of worked.

    4. Re:... and statistics. by oscarcar · · Score: 1

      I worked many years doing sleep research. And now I do just the tech stuff (like putting Linux and java to work in the sleep world). I saw this article and had to pull out the original abstract.

      I have to say that the article is VERY misleading.
      To fix some inaccuracies first.

      Experimental Group 1: (7 females, 3 males, aged 41.6 +- 5.8)
      Placebo Group 2: (5 females, 3 males, aged 42.8+- 7.8)

      That's a total of 18 subjects, not 10.

      They used actigraphy for sleep measures, which is less than desirable since it's only an indirect measure. Not a very good measure of sleep quality. But it's cheaper to do and maybe it might make sense for this, although I don't know why they didn't have actigraphy go longer than 4 days. It was 4 days b4 and 4 days after. Why when it's so easy to have them wear something that is pretty much identical to a wristwatch.

      The really odd thing is that anything that helps insomnia should help the person get to sleep faster. But this was not the case. The time it took to fall asleep was unchanged, measured by the Sleep Onset Latency (SOL).

      Total Sleep Time was increased (which can be a sign of worse or better sleep). For instance, if you have an annoying sound that doesn't quite wake you up, but just makes your sleep lighter, then you'll sleep longer usually to compensate for the crappy sleep you were getting. Quantity to make up for quality. Although, it does say intervening wakefulness was less (p=.02). That's not (p0.02).

      Also, some measure of anxiety was decreased by both groups.

      This is as much as I can gather from the abstract as some points were unclear whether the comparison
      was between before and after treatment, or between experimental groups.

      What was mentioned in the article as follows:
      ----
      The participants showed dramatic improvement over placebo participants who listened to someone else's brain music instead of their own.

      "For the placebo group, the improvement was only about 15 percent as compared to 75 to 85 percent for the experimental group. So it's a highly significant statistical difference," Kayumov says.
      ----

      What this refers to in the abstract is unknown. Improvement in what? Maybe anxiety? Don't know.

  27. The above is a Goatse.cx Troll by Slashamatic · · Score: 2, Troll

    I guess most people will have noticed the link appear on their browser, but this is an unusual troll mixing useful information with an infamous link.

  28. Obvious Questions by guttentag · · Score: 4, Funny
    What military applications exist for this new lullaby technology?

    Can we scan the enemy's brainwaves and put him to sleep? Can we scan the brainwaves of foreign dignitaries while they visit the White House, put them to sleep and steal their pocket change and state secrets while they're out cold? How long will it take to weaponize these lullabies? Can the weapon be mounted on a satellite or disguised as a pack of cigarettes?

    Dammit, you should have figured these things out before announcing this. We need to know and we need to know now.

    1. Re:Obvious Questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh...this is closer to a good thought than you might think. A really excellent way to get yourself good funding is to find a possible military use of your idea, even if it seems ludicrous at first.

  29. I bet this could be used as a military weapon... by norculf · · Score: 1

    Think about it...some kind of sensor mechanism that can pick up the brainwaves of everyone on the battlefield, hooked up to a loudspeaker. Or perhaps a man portable version that could be used the same way one uses a gun.

    Patent pending, of course. :D

  30. brainwave manipulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Brainwave 'manipulation' (or stimulation) is actually most interresting technology...

    See EEG Spectrum International for 'related' articles. Neurofeedback is less 'intrusive' method than those sound/light devices that are sold for 'relaxation' or other purposes.

    www.eegspectrum.com

    or some neurofeedback applications

    It is also possible to manipulate brainwaves with TMS (Transcranial magnetic stimulation).. see for example an article about religious experiences and TMS ;-)

    In search of God.

    Anonymous BrainWave

  31. How soon until Creative Labs picks this up? by tRoll+with+Butter · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hell, the Audigy already has every OTHER feature imaginable. "Now includes Sleep Blaster(TM) Technology via a FireWire-enabled aluminum foil hat!"

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  32. RIAA action?? by viperblades · · Score: 1

    hmmm wonder if the riaa will now charge you per brain wave.............

    1. Re:RIAA action?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they'll just sign you and screw you out of royalties.

  33. A good follow up study: by Zelet · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Find couples that sleep very deeply together and analyze their brain waves to see if they are similar. If they are then obviously the two couples can sense each others brainwave.

    A great follow up story to that would be to test to see how people detect other's brainwaves.

    My prediction is that the person that we fall in love with (or are comfortable with) has a very complimentary brain-wave-pattern to our own, thus making us comfortable with them on more than just a physical/conscious level.

    (Sorry about the disjointed thoughts... it is 3AM.

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    ...And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me." - Martin Niemoeller (1892-1984)
    1. Re:A good follow up study: by UpnAtom · · Score: 1

      We already know a lot about brain wave patterns during sleep.

      We don't have a single frequency. EEGs detect multiple waves superimposed on each other.

      The first sleep cycle is characterised by shifting from fast, unpredictable waves to slow, consistent waves. REM sleep usually doesn't occur until the second cycle

      There's a hypothesis that our subjective comfort levels are related to harmonisation of brain waves.

      I think it's more likely we indirectly and unconsciously pickup on brain waves through body language, voice rhythm etc.

      Dave.

  34. Examples? by Inominate · · Score: 1

    Why are there constantly stories like this, without any kind of example of what it sounds like?

  35. Sleeping Pills by CemeteryWall · · Score: 1

    I'm no expert on sleeping pills but I've come across those that know the dangers. The effects of Benzodiazapines, for example, are reported here .

    I've also spoken to people that have taken SSI drugs, who say they are extremely addictive. One of these said that she got so sweaty that her make-up slid off her face!

    A better solution would be great.

    1. Re:Sleeping Pills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice scare site. What exactly are SSI drugs? What do you mean by addiction, it has a rather specific definition.
      You can find web sites that state that SSRI's and psychiatry are the work of the devil, and ones that state that coffee enemas or colloidal silver cure whatever ails you. Personally I wouldn't give either a lot of weight. Though, some readers here could use an enema...

  36. Sounds good but by liberteus · · Score: 1

    what does it make if both me and my wife put our brainwave CD in the stereo ?

    "honey, your brainwaves makes me nervous!"

    Oh, I guess I'll just have to wait for her to fall asleep...

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  37. Test runs... by Mtn_Dewd · · Score: 1

    So what happens when we record Barry Manilow's brainwaves and introduce this as music -- head explosion?

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  38. A Safer High by Associate · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Like many folks, I don't do drugs. (Thanks Nancy.) But, I am curious about the alledged mind expanding possibilities. If you scan someone through a trip and play it back to them to see if it compares, could you not at least experience to a lesser degree how that person tripped? If so, bring on the acid.

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    Someone hates these cans.
    1. Re:A Safer High by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If so, it'd be illegal in a week.

      Its surprising how fast the gub'ment can act when they find people enjoying themselves.

      Hey, and the bonus is they can crack down on P2P file-sharing as part of the 'war on drugs'.

    2. Re:A Safer High by kyletinsley · · Score: 1

      If you scan someone through a trip and play it back to them to see if it compares, could you not at least experience to a lesser degree how that person tripped?

      Uhhh, no. Hallucinogenic drugs cause the effects they do because they cause the brain to form chemical connections in ways not otherwise possible, so you perceive things never before seen during "normal operation". You might be able to use brainwave sounds to induce the brain to jump into sleep mode, because the brain is already fully capable of sleep mode; it is a hardcoded feature. But you can't induce it to start firing in ways that are not neurochemically possible just by creating certain frequencies of sound.

      Just like by pushing an old diesel car down a hill and fucking with the clutch you can sometimes get it to start even with a dead battery. Because it's already designed to be able to run, it's just having trouble getting there because a piece of its equipment is malfunctioning. But by doing something similar, you wouldn't be able to say, get it to turn into an airplane...

    3. Re:A Safer High by dustmote · · Score: 1

      Not true, kind of. The folks at http://www.entheosound.com/enthfrnt.htm would disagree with you, anyway.

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    4. Re:A Safer High by kyletinsley · · Score: 1

      Not true, kind of. The folks at http://www.entheosound.com/enthfrnt.htm would disagree with you, anyway.

      Oh that's a reliable source. "These are SUPER SECRET ancient magical musical instruments. You can tell by the fact that the conquering Spaniards made no mention of them in their records, and the natives made no drawings or records of them, means that they must have been of very important, SECRET value. Which is why you should spend a thousand dollars and buy 4 of them TODAY!"

      You're right. The fact that some mescaline swallowing bushmen possibly made some quirky little carved flutes five hundred years ago and thought they had magical powers clearly proves that sounds can alter your brain to a state of altered consciounsness. I stand corrected.

    5. Re:A Safer High by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some drugs only stimulate production of brains own chemicals, or simulate their effects. That kind of effect could maybe be possibe with some other kind of brain stimulation method (eg. sound) to some degree.

  39. Brainwave Generator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    There's a much more robust Windows Brainwave generator available at http://www.bwgen.com/. There's a free download available if you want to try it.

  40. CoolEdit can generate those brain waves by Jugalator · · Score: 2

    Get CoolEdit and some headphones. Use its Brainwave Synchronizer filter and experiment with alpha, delta waves (or whatever) and there you go! Pretty neat stuff actually.

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  41. ...obviously... Really? by 1qaz2wsx · · Score: 1

    > If they are then obviously the two couples can sense each others brainwave

    Really? Obviously? It is an interesting hypothesis, but it is definitely not obvious that anyone can directly sense someone else's brainwaves.

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    1. Re:...obviously... Really? by Zelet · · Score: 1

      well... not really, but it was a figure of speech and it is 4AM and I am out of CodeRed.

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      ...And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me." - Martin Niemoeller (1892-1984)
  42. Example! :) by Jugalator · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Go here, scroll down to (or search for) Brainwave Synchronizer. Click Low or High Speed listen. Requires a JavaScript enabled browser.

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    1. Re:Example! :) by Trane+Francks · · Score: 1

      I like the sound of that. Makes me mourn the loss of all of my "environmental soundscapes" I had all those years ago.

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      ...a FreeDOS contributor: http://www.freedos.org/
    2. Re:Example! :) by Stripsurge · · Score: 1

      Ouch! That music hurts my brain.

      Either that or the alcohol's effect is wearing off :)

  43. Copy[right|protection]? by Ambush · · Score: 1
    Oh great. How long till Hilary Rosen and the RIAA claim that listening to our own brainwaves is stealing from all those hardworking artists?

    And what kind of copyprotection method will they propose?

    ;-)

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    There are 10 kinds of people; those who know ternary, those who don't, and those now hunting for a dictionary.
  44. Now try the reverse by foo12 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Analyze existing musical lullabyes and see how they compare to sleep brainwave patterns.

    1. Re:Now try the reverse by falzer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There are probably many songs that aren't called lullabyes but could act as such (when played with proper instruments). One example I can think of is Bach's "Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring", especially the new Switched on Bach performance.

      Maybe different keys or tuning styles are better suited to sleep, because some notes may be harmonics of fundamental brain frequencies. Just a thought, probably wrong.

  45. I try it but ... by YeeHaW_Jelte · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... my brains would probably just produce a heap of white noise, as I can't make up my mind.

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    "The chances of a demonic possession spreading are remote -- relax."
  46. Better way already available by Anonymous+Squonk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The problem with this is that it has to be customized for each person. A more convenient solution that is already in use in infant soothing toys is a simulated heartbeat noise, like the kind a fetus would hear while inside the mother. It reminds the baby of being inside the womb, and comforts them into falling asleep faster. But I've found that this also works well even on adults, as I think this "comfort pattern" that is etched in our brains from before birth remains in our subconscious as long as we live. Far easier than mapping your brainwaves, and you can pick one up in a department store for under $50.

    1. Re:Better way already available by DannyO · · Score: 1

      We got one of those heartbeat bears as a gift for my son two years ago. It didn't have a chance to put anyone to sleep as our West Highland Terrier attacked it whenever it was turned on. We're talking about Monty Python rabbit attack here -- jumping frantically and flying through the air.

  47. Military uses by Tyreth · · Score: 1

    I foresee the use of "sleep cannons" in the future, that send out music designed to make the enemy drowsy and lethargic.

    1. Re:Military uses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enya just sold a couple albums to the military of
      Germany.

  48. Live playback? by Cyberop5 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder how effective a live version of this would be? Say you had the device read your mind and a computer turns it into "music" in real-time, then plays it back through headphones. You would be hearing your own thoughts. Would you fall asleep faster? Halucinate? No effect at all? Has their been any research to see if we can understand raw brainwaves, even if they are our own? Say we record a thoughts with music just like the article, then hear it, would we jump to what we thinking about during the recording? Would it begin an feedback loop?
    10 Think a thought
    20 Hear that thought
    30 Think about heard thought
    40 Goto 20?

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    Jack: "Who doesn't??"
    1. Re:Live playback? by Geek_in_Marketing · · Score: 1

      Hang on. . . .couldn't NASA further develop this for the anti-terrorist mindreading stuff they're !NOT! researching (qv. /). Sending suspected Al-Qaeda members to sleep in airport departure terminals. . .hmmm.

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      "This is your life - and it's ending one minute at a time" - Narrator, Fight Club
    2. Re:Live playback? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reminds me of the people with fried brains in that movie Strange Days.

    3. Re:Live playback? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your brain would explode, just like when you're going near light speed and opened your mouth and screamed aaaaaa (a movie reference! what movie?).

      Probably nothing would happen, except possibly deepen the effect. But think, if you were on psychoactive drugs... what would happen then! And what if you could take the brainwave patterns of someone trippy and take out their trip-inducing components, and embed them to some other person's brainwaves. Would the other person feel silly too?

    4. Re:Live playback? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      have some respect: gotos considered harmful

  49. Sounds good. by PovRayMan · · Score: 1

    Considering it's 5:12am EST and I still haven't gone to bed I'd like to get my hands on some of these. :-)

  50. schumann resonances by laurentr · · Score: 1, Interesting

    this reminds me of schumann resonances.. you can read about them at: http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/Schumann.htm l

    i was telling a buddy about these and he recommended i check out http://www.bwgen.com/ .. its a sound generator that can create a wide variety of frequencies (including shumann resonances) .. i have found several presets all over the place and now i use it to relax, to fall asleep, to study for that big test.. many applications :]

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  51. I think I'd be Disturbed... by __aadhrk6380 · · Score: 1

    If I found out that I was so damned boring that just listening to myself think would put me to sleep!

  52. If only I had this the other night... by EkiM+in+De · · Score: 1

    ... I could have made a fortune from the recording.

    After the spending the entire night trying to coerce our new Dell linux server into submissions, and ODing on coca-cola, cigarettes and espresso, I guess that my brain waves could have been recorded for a quality high-energy e'd-up rave!

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    Patriotism is the opium of the masses
  53. ummm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    does this combination of quotes make anyone else less than enthusiatic about the results?

    " A research sample of 10 persons is not a large group"
    "For the placebo group, the improvement was only about 15 percent as compared to 75 to 85 percent for the experimental group."

    15% of what exactly and how is that "highly significant statistical difference" on a sample of 10 people?

  54. raagas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    some indian music Raagas (modes/patterns of music)(e.g. raagas yaman, bagesri, malkaus, bhoopali, and darbari) and some other musical patterns in indian music create intermediate frequencies/beats that approximate the brainwaves frequencies of relaxation and also sleep (alpha beta gamma delta..check out google).

    a simple win based software is bwgen (brainwave generator)which also uses this method of biofeedback. if you can overlay an instrumental SLOW sitar indian raga number on to the output of bwgen you'll get some interesting results.

    warning--some ragas cause stress, even panic reactions.

    -ram

  55. Tested on 10 people! Another bogus claim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the internet you can publish anything and people will believe it.

  56. SBaGen by dSV3Hl · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Similar to AutoZen is SBaGen, which lets you build scripts to be played over time. For Linux, Windows, and OSX.

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  57. future dating services! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    perhaps one day, computer applications will be able to detect similar activity patterns among people; and hook them up!

  58. torture device by genetik · · Score: 1

    couldn't this be used is a torture device? if you were to record "brain music" that is completely contradictive of the person's brain who is listening to it, they might go crazy :)

    anyways, this is extremely cool and i can't wait until this makes it to the mainstream so i can try it out. i'm going to have to show this to my friends who are music therapy majors.

    1. Re:torture device by Pyrrus · · Score: 1

      I think it's less difficult to slip someone a lot of LSD and put them in an uncomfortable
      enviornment (sudden, loud sounds, lack of sleep, food, etc)..
      oh, wait, the CIA already did this.

  59. Re: Yes, old. by bunratty · · Score: 2
    Those are for LUCID DREAMING.
    There are goggles that blink a few times to indicate that the dreamer has entered the REM stage of sleep. When the dreamer sees the blinking in the dream, it's a reminder that it's a dream and it serves as a cue to have a lucid dream. But that's not what the poster is referring to.

    The poster is referring to "light and sound machines", which can induce brainwaves using blinking lights and beeping. They're great for helping to induce a hypnotic state and also to induce sleep. Do a Google search to find out more...

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  60. Brady Bunch Music by mtrupe · · Score: 1

    Wow- I just realized! My brain is in sync with the Brady Bunch music. I have never been able to watch the show without falling asleep or getting incredibly tired.

    Groovy!

  61. Paging Dr. Asimov.... by wowbagger · · Score: 2

    The good Doctor (Asimov) wrote a story about this very effect: "When the Saints".

    In the story, a musician is hired by a psychologist to assist in a research project. They are recording the brainwaves of depressed patients, diffing them against the brain waves of normal folks, inverting the difference, and feeding that back into the patient with sound and laserlight. It works, sort of, for a while.

    They hire the musician because (rough quote) "...while the laser light is precise enough to convey the information, the sound isn't. We need somebody to work out what part of the sound is important, and what part isn't."

    The musician takes the tapes and goes away for a while. When he returns, he says, "Here's a tape. Try this." The psychologist cues the tape up for the patient. After the session, the patient says "I think I'm cured - before I always could feel the depression in the back of my mind, but it's gone now!" "Did you notice anything different about the therapy?" "Well, maybe the light was a bit sharper..." "What about the sound?" "I really didn't notice the sound..."

    After the patient leaves, the psychologist asks the musician what he did, and would he consider a position on the staff.

    (Roughly quoting the musician)
    "No need - the work's already been done. I noticed the patterns were like some music I know - revival hymns. I gave him the best of the lot - When The Saints Go Marching In"

    Dr. Asimov wrote this for an Audio magazine, and the story appears in some of his story collections. Good stuff.

    1. Re:Paging Dr. Asimov.... by anymouse · · Score: 1

      There was a short story by Arthur Clarke in one of the Tales From the White Hart books about a composer who noticed how some tunes stick in your head - think It's a Small World from Disney[land/world]. The composer sets out to maximize the effect by working with the brainwave patterns and eventually succeeds, but goes catatonic because the music is so closely matched to his brainwaves that it consumes all his brain activity.

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      --The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese
  62. shopping by MucousOgre · · Score: 1

    So does this mean that department stores will be able to make brain wave music that makes us want to buy stuff? Will it be possible to turn ordinary people into shopping zombies? Only time will tell.

    1. Re:shopping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually this has alredy been done with the tempo of music.

  63. Even the comparison is not convincing by tauntalum · · Score: 1
    "The participants showed dramatic improvement over placebo participants who listened to someone else's brain music instead of their own."

    This would be more convincing if they would compare this against sleeping in a quiet room, or maybe sleeping in a room with some white noise (maybe a fan?)

  64. Re:old? No...musically, its the wave of the future by Lord+Custos · · Score: 1

    I'm picturing a special bodysuit covered with electrodes, especially over the scalp and at the all the major muscle groups. The person could improvise their own music in real time. The melody would be based on the brainwaves and the "percussion" would be based on the signals from the muscles. You want "electric body music"? I'll give you "electric body music"! (Lord Custos breaks into a Dance Dance Revolution-crazed frenzy as music automagically emenates from his 'soundskin') Yeeeeaahhhhh, Boyyeeees....

  65. So called Astral Projection uses by mcgintech · · Score: 1

    The reminds me of The Monroe Institute.

    They claim to have various audio cds and tapes which put you in that state of mind just between waking and sleep where people often hallucinate and have other experiences. Many people claim to have "Out of Body Experiences" while using the tapes. The MI has a whole program which you can go through by yourself at home or at their facility.

    The founder, Robert Monroe, wrote several books about his experiences. Summing it all up, he basically said that he could leave his body and visit the various "rings" of conscienceness that surround the earth. It is actually very interesting because the things that he reports in the book actually do a lot to explain various things like ghosts(people who are so addicted to the earth "experience" that they won't leave or can't recognize that they are dead) and other things like that.

    All taken with a grain of salt of course, but it is very interesting stuff.

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    Uhhhh, yeah, thath dithgustin. [The lady's man]

  66. is this why I am always so sleepy? by AssFace · · Score: 2

    my inner monologue of music music by chance be the right stuff to put me out. I can sleep pretty much all the time unless I have major stimulants in my system.
    in fact, today I slept through my alarm and was late for work.

    also, for me personally, if I turn up classical music I get vaguely annoyed and can't sleep - but if I crank say Tool, Rage Against the Machine, or even older stuff like Killing Joke - then I'm out like a light.
    My freshman year of college I scared my roommate on the first day there by falling asleep on the floor with White Zombie blasting on the stereo. he opened the door into my head and I didn't wake up.

    I personally don't care about these studies to help me sleep - I do that quite well. I want to know how to stay awake.

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    1. Re:is this why I am always so sleepy? by BeeShoo · · Score: 1

      "he opened the door into my head and I didn't wake up."

      Wow. You have a door into your head? Where did you get that done? How much did it cost? ;-)

    2. Re:is this why I am always so sleepy? by brain159 · · Score: 2

      Permission to make oblique "Being John Malkovich" reference? ;-)

    3. Re:is this why I am always so sleepy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sigh (about the Malkovithch references).

      Chances are that your reaction to the music has more to do with your artistic taste than with the dynamics of neural entrainment. An exception might be for those who have ADD/ADHD.
      Chances are you have an excess of delta(.2?-4hz)/theta(~5-7hz) brain waves during a waking state. Chances are also pretty good you experience depression fairly regularly.
      If you are interested enough to start experimenting with your brain waves, then the main frequencies that would probably be most useful are in the beta(~12-25hz) range, although too much beta can result in anxiety. Running some alpha(~8-11hz) along with the beta should reduce this effect [as long as you aren't epileptic (if you have any diagnosed brain abnormalities, messing around with this stuf can be even dumber than normal) and shouldn't hurt in any way (although it may reduce the effectiveness of SSRIs). Chances seem pretty good that there is some excessive delta during your sleep cycles as well when awake. Inducing elevated theta during sleep, may provide a more effective rest. Using a transition from high theta and up towards you're preferred range of beta should be helpful as a method of waking up. If you want to do some really interesting experimentation try a mix of all of them including Gamma(~25-150?hz).
      In general too much of any frequency can cause problems, but beta is most appropriate to the normal waking state. There is plenty of free and pay software out there so no one should have a hard time with the driving process, although I haven't seen much work with real brainwave wave forms instead of sine, square,etc.

      Long enough?

  67. IM 30 years old. I ain't sleeping with a bear. by Unknown+Poltroon · · Score: 1

    However, if you could find me a brunette with a soft hart beat, I think we could work out an arrangement.

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  68. Similar work has been done before by yog · · Score: 2

    This kind of work has been done for about 25 years at The Monroe Institute in Virginia, USA. They have a number of recordings of brain synchronization tones available for sale that induce sleep, deep trance states, and encourage self-awareness in various ways.
    Some of them come with voice overlays to encourage the user to have certain kinds of insights and experiences. It's great to see this kind of research becoming more mainstream; there's a lot of potential for helping kids with ADD, insomniacs, etc.

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  69. Useless by Jim+Norton · · Score: 1

    Just listen to the soundtrack of "The Sound of Music." That'll put you to sleep in no time!

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  70. Re:Obvious Questions ("Experiment IV"?) by Lord+Custos · · Score: 1

    What military applications exist for this new lullaby technology? Can we scan the enemy's brainwaves and put him to sleep?
    Why stop at giving "audio knock out drops"? Why not create music that kills?
    As Kate Bush once glibly sang
    "They told us all they wanted /
    Was a sound that could kill someone /
    from a distance/ So we go ahead /
    and the meters are over in the red /
    It's a mistake in the making"

  71. Or you could... by crull · · Score: 1

    just take those nice pills... I've _heard_ that you can drink something _called_ alcohol too.

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    1. Re:Or you could... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps I could record that pattern...and then put it on start up wavs in windows for employees that I dont like...then I can fire them for sleeping on the job?

  72. But what are they doing to the data? by Rathumos · · Score: 0

    This sort of thing comes up often in studies involving brainwave analysis. Though the article doesn't mention it, I would suspect they're performing a series of FFTs on the 0-20Hz range of the data. This splits EEG data into what are called the Alpha, Beta, Delta, and Theta bands. Neurological biofeedback calls on the user to see, hear, or feel a sampling of their own Delta waves and raise or lower the values. This is what creates the earlier-mentioned "altered states," which can be either hyper-concentration or great relaxation. So in a sense, this isn't a "breakthrough" but a modern way of implementing a relatively old technique.

  73. What about waking up. by jbrelie · · Score: 1

    Deep sleep has never been a problem for me. Ask my wife. OR my employers. Can I record my brainwaves when I am wide awake, and put them on my alarm clock?

  74. Where's Thomas Dolby When You Need Him? by dbretton · · Score: 2


    SCIENCE!!

  75. Can you say, "Rigorous peer review". by Kalabajoui · · Score: 1

    Though promising, this article pegs my bullshit-O-meter into the red zone. I hope that this work is scientifically confirmed to work and put into use in the home market soon.

  76. Hebb's principle by xant · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Assuming that the pattern of brain activity is always roughly the same when you're trying to fall asleep, this follows logically from a tenet of biological psychology called Hebb's principle. It states that when two neurons fire together, the connection between them is strengthened.

    To explain, I'm going to invent a symbology. X,Y,Z, and K represent neurons in different regions of the brain. I'll create an arbitrary pattern that represents when each of those neurons fire. Let's say that as you fall asleep you normally have a pattern like: XYZYYKKZXK. (I intentionally avoided using A, B, C here for the musical connotations therein.) Let's say it's mapped into music now:
    XYZYYKKZXK (neurons firing)->
    ABCBBGGCAG (notes played)

    When you hear the note A, a particular region of your auditory centers is activated. When you hear B, a slightly different region is activated, and so on. Coincidentally, a lot of your auditory processing takes place in your brain stem, which is also where a lot of sleep-related functions take place, such as shutting down the body's muscles so you don't sleepwalk every night, but this coincidence isn't necessary for this explanation to work.

    So you listen to your personalized auditory mapping and attempt to fall asleep. Because you're trying to fall asleep, even if you're insomniac, neurons for X will be a little more likely to fire, then neurons for Y, then Z, and so on. At the same time, neurons for A are firing, then B, then C.

    According to Hebb, the synchonicity of these events will cause a physical connection between the neurons to strengthen, regardless of how much neural distance separates them. All the neurons in between will get activated a little bit, and the more they fire together, the more the entire system of connections becomes stronger. You've directly mapped sleep waves into music, so the synchronicity will be very strong. Consequently, the connection between the auditory centers and your sleep centers will get stronger very quickly.

    Make that connection strong enough, and you will eventually be able to cause XYZK to fire by playing ABCG, in essence sending a message to your brain stem via your speakers. Do this long enough, and the feedback may go in the other direction as well: you may start to hear the music every time you fall asleep, regardless of whether it's actually playing.

    Theoretically this would work by mapping those brain waves into just about anything you can perceive, not just sound, although it may work better with sound. For example, mapping it into images would certainly work; you could take the entire discussion above, replace "auditory centers" with "visual centers", and you get the same explanation.

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    1. Re:Hebb's principle by jellybear · · Score: 1

      Does this mean that, if you train a subject long enough with a tune, you would be able to put him to sleep at will, using that tune? Sort of like "hypnotists" do in the movies?

  77. Just the mere by oval_pants · · Score: 1

    thought that brainwaves transcribed and played back to insominiacs is preposterous. I mean really, who believes in this type of garba.....Zzzzzzzzzz ZZzzzzzzzzzzz ZZZzzz

  78. Lathe of Heaven by scrod · · Score: 1

    This sounds a heck of a lot like Ursula K. Le Guin's The Lathe of Heaven.

    1. Re:Lathe of Heaven by Ark · · Score: 1

      That was my first thought as well. I just finished reading it two weeks ago. Very spooky.

    2. Re:Lathe of Heaven by mike3411 · · Score: 1

      Ditto, now we just need to find out who's fucked-up effective dreams thought up current events, and be nicer to them.

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  79. Is it theortically possible to do the opposite? by techstar25 · · Score: 2

    Can we measure brain waves when people are excited, or sexually aroused, and then make music out of that? I bet it would sell like crazy.

  80. Mental Music from Around the World! by KC7GR · · Score: 2

    Well! This is a most interesting discovery. Let's take a quick trip into the minds of various people in various cultures, and find out just what they've got knocking around in their gray matter.

    From the mind of a somewhat suicidal insomniac in San Francisco: Van Halen's "Jump."

    From that of a gay preacher in Biloxi, MS: Barry Manilow's "It's a Miracle."

    From the neurons of the 3M rep for adhesive products in Irkutsk, Russia: Lionel Richie's "Stuck on you."

    A cabbie on the run from Heathrow airport in London to the downtown hotels was found to have "You Picked a Fine Time to Leave me, Loose Wheel" rattling around in his skull (and lug nuts rattling around in his trunk -- pardon me, 'boot').

    In Australia, a most sleepless LAN technician, one Arthur 'Sparks' McGill, was startled to find Icehouse's "Electric Blue" firmly embedded in his alpha waves.

    Finally, back here in the States, Slashdot's owner, Rob "Commander Taco" Malda surprised no one by having that (in)famous filk track Mr. Compatibility stuck so firmly in his brain stem that not even a jackhammer was able to dislodge it.

    That's all for now. Tune in again next week for another installment of "Spot the Looney!"

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    Blue Feather Technologies

  81. Portable brain wave monitor? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Hmmm sounds like something Northwest wants to get their hands on..

    "Sir, your music doesnt sound correct, please step into the white zone"

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  82. It's NOT "the music of the brain" by maiden_taiwan · · Score: 1
    In reality, this is "music produced by some arbitrary mapping of brainwaves to sounds, made up by some dude." There are countless ways you could do this mapping. Heck, you could map your eyeblink frequency to music, or the angles of the hairs on your head, or.... Hey, if I map my heartbeat to Beethoven's 5th Symphony, what the heck does that prove?

    And the sample size was 10 people. Way too small to make any claims of significance.

    Incidentally, this sort of experiment was being done at Peabody Conservatory's Computer Music Studio in the late 1980s. They called it "Brain-Generated Music."

  83. Re:COWBOYNEAL'S AWAKE TO GET HIS ANUS HUMPED BY TA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hmmmm

    what are you, some kind of nut? go back to the funny farm.

  84. Audio-Feedback-Burgler :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine yourself getting asleep because a burgler phoned you five minutes before ...
    playing your "own" music ...
    I am waiting, he he he.

  85. Will i have to pay the GEMA for my brain-music? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And who will be number one in the international charts?
    If only Sigmund Freud could listen to our brains ...

  86. Re:Obvious Questions ("Experiment IV"?)-DOA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wasn't there a song out there that when listened to could cause someone to die?

  87. Music is power by Death_Angel · · Score: 1
    I believe that this is a better alternative to medicine. I think it is interesting that it has taken this long to find out that "Everyone has a song in them...literally. And you can use it to put yourself to sleep."

    I also believe that there is a cheaper alternative, and being in band for the last 8 years and taking some theory and history classes I have found that music is very powerful and that most people can't stand not to have music around. I have found that some types of music help evade car sickness even.

    A person seams to lean toward one tyle of music that they like. That one type seems to sooth, comfort, and rejuvenate that person. I think that maybe that listening to that type of music quietly at night would have the same effect as the EEG.

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  88. biofeedback by selfdiscipline · · Score: 1

    It seems most people are casually interested in this, but this sort topic completely draws me in. I don't think of this as a novelty, instead wonder if this could possibly be one of the most important things to personal development ever.
    To me, there are two kinds of power for a life form: internal power and external power. Most people focus on external power, gaining money, respect, friends... whatever. But as important to me is gaining power over myself. If I can gain a small degree of control over my emotions, the direction of my thoughts, I am very happy. If we could feed our brains self-generated bliss, why do anything else? So I guess I am pseudo-buddhist.
    It's hard to have direct insight into our own thought and emotion processes. That's why friends and family are so important, to give us an external view of ourselves that it is very hard for us to achieve on our own.
    A device that can truely let me listen to my own mind, even if only a small aspect of it, I would consider extremely valuable.
    I should go google for Neurofeedback hobbyist projects.

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  89. Electronarcosis by Niaxato+Blackstar · · Score: 1

    A long time ago, during the height of the Cold War, military planners had intended to put people on orbiting weapons platforms. As far as I know, this never happened. From research, however, some interesting developments were made.

    Apparently, the use of recorded brain waves were used to keep the potential occupants of these platforms awake, though not with music. Rather, electrodes adhered to the surface of the scalp were used to induce sleep or wake states within the brain by low voltage currents. It appeared to work well, as one guy who used to work on this stuff claimed that most people could easily stay awake for over 70 hours without the usual hallucinations, bumbling about, &c.

    I wonder if we'll begin seeing a return of electronarcosis?

  90. Re: Yes, old. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Research something called Binaural Beats.

    One of the best programs out there for it is called Brainwave Generator. It's unfortunately for Windows but runs fine with WineX and is quite impressive.

  91. Wet Dreams? by Tablizer · · Score: 3

    Naw, my wife would get pissed when it starts to play cheezy porno themes.

  92. It better have warnings... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any form of hypnotism can be VERY dangerous to anyone prone to seizures or anyone diagnosed with schizophrenia.

    I guess that rules out the slashdot community...

    recompile.org

  93. They are Cecil and Clarence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yes.

  94. can this lead to productivity increases? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can I listen to it while coding and output 25% more quality code per day?

    This won't apply to an IBM man year though.

  95. Audiodrome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unplug if you get the itch to kill people.

  96. Copyrighting sleep patterns. by setre · · Score: 1

    What if Warner bros made a hit song out of my sleep-pattern? Would that mean it would be illegal for me to go to sleep?

  97. Really old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    This has been doable for a looong time.

    http://www.IBVA.com

    Don't reporters ever check anything beyond the current day?

  98. sleeping by jefu · · Score: 1


    Naxos.com sells audio books on CD-ROM (a good thing for me since I have very bad cassette tape karma) and I've found that Proust's "In search of lost time" is often pretty good for bringing on sleep.

  99. Hmm... by NeuroMorphus · · Score: 1

    I miss my throwing rocks from the rooftop days...

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  100. Re:Sleeping Pills - Definition of addiction? by CemeteryWall · · Score: 1

    Are withdrawal symptoms an indication of "addiction"? I've just found "Antidepressant Seroxat tops table of drug withdrawal symptoms". The piece also says "In the top six, five of the drugs said to be causing withdrawal problems are SSRIs..."

    Am I terribly wrong in mixing up "Sleeping Pills" with "Antidepressants"?

  101. Binaural beats by Tomble · · Score: 1
    I only looked into that phenomenon just a few days ago, whilst wandering through everything2.com.
    I managed to find a generator that worked on Linux, called Sbagen.
    I don't think I've really got the hang of it, and I'm not sure if I've got any effect out of the things (though I'm using expensive headphones). Some of the sounds are quite hard to listen to tho.

    [searches through bookmarks file...]

    SBaGen
    I think the bloke has a non-sourceforge page too, forget whether the sf page links back to it. [shrug]

    DISCLAIMER: Having seen this story, I tried firing up SBagen again, and am currently listening to theta-waves; any errors in my post are therefore due to being in a dream-like-state. So there.

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    1. Re:Binaural beats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to the Cool Edit docs it can take some days/weeks/months for an individual to get used to it and easily move between states. this I'm sure varries from individual to individual.

  102. Re:Worse (NASA brainwave reading....) by shpoffo · · Score: 1

    I can just imagine it now - some company would go into buisness taking EEG recordings....

    Yea, like NASA at Northwest airports....

    -shpoffo

  103. The RIAA could use that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe they could put that song on Napster and call it Metallica or Britney Spears. They would be doing natural selection a service as well.

  104. Hmmm... is that ethical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Utalizing thse brainwaves as a song to put us too sleep... sounds actually like it may have some type of horrible long term effect... like zombifacation. Does anyone know if there were any negative effects in the trials. I see it now. Future wars using sound. I wonder if they could use the songs to have other effects, like hallucinations, insanity, etc...

  105. Psychological vs Physiological Addiction by UpnAtom · · Score: 1

    Unless you keep your mind in a box, how do you tell the difference?

    Dave.

    1. Re:Psychological vs Physiological Addiction by haa...jesus+christ · · Score: 1

      christ, now you're asking me to remember things. :)

      Putting it simply (i.e. the way I understand things best), physiological addiction occurs in your body on a chemical level, and creates an environment for physical withdrawl symptoms - meaning that if I were to cut off caffeine (to stay in the slashdot world), which interacts at a neurochemical level (competes with adenine for receptor sites on neurons), you will feel more tired (in this case, adenine is allowed to flood its receptor sites, which naturally causes drowsiness).

      Psychological addiction, on the other hand, has no specific physiological anologue. Watching TV, shopping, reading Slashdot too much, can all be considered psychological addictions if taken too far. You don't need to watch Star Wars a billion times because your body will fail if you don't, but for some reason - perhaps a need to escape into fantasy you feel compelled to watch it. It gives you a sense of happiness, or fulfills some need that transcends the physical.

      Hopefully this makes sense (hopefully I remembered things correctly). It bears mentioning that while psychological addiction can follow physiological addiction, it generally doesn't work the other way around.

  106. Re:Didgeridoos by richie2000 · · Score: 2
    When I was in the Army, I learned to sleep through a full day's barrage (one of our batteries were staffed with 4 15,5mm self-propelled howitzers (Bofors Haubits 77) and our company had three batteries of them) of artillery fire. Once, I was wakened by a Major who wondered if I could please wake up, it was time to go back to barracks. I asked him if we weren't going to fire anything first and he replied that they had been firing all day. I was lying outside the forward command post, like 200 meters from one of the batteries...

    Just a few years afterwards, they separated the command posts from the batteries and started moving the batteries after every one to three salvoes.

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