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Windows 2000 Runs On Xbox Under Linux
MBCook writes "Everybody's favorite Xbox hackers have got Linux running for roughly six weeks, and now it runs well enough to announce that Windows has been run inside Linux with common PC virtualization software. They even have a little video of it playing a MPEG 4 of The Matrix fullscreen!"
...of taking an MS product and hacking at it 'till it runs linux, just to emulate another MS product.
Well, you'll need a lot of Windows licences.....
I wonder what Microsoft thinks about this. They oppose Linux on the Xbox, but would they oppose Win2K on top of Linux on the Xbox?
And if not, would they oppose Linux on top of Win2K on top of Linux on the Xbox? Or even.......nevermind.
Is XBOX running on windows 2000 :)
I can use the same licence in every one :P
"With Microsoft, you get Windows. With Linux, you get the full house" - unknown
What about running Windows 2000 on the XBox? Has it been done? Can it be done?
doesn't xbox have a dvd player built in? makes playing a movie [inside doze no less] kinda redundant dontcha think? [br][br] Now, if you could create a small little distro that would make xbox useful for someone who didn't wanna shell out a bunch of money for a desktop 'puter...
Yes, but the real question is:
Can you do all that while juggling three monkeys and a walrus?
(One would never guess that it's nearly 7 am for me.)
The obvious question is if they can get an Windows XBox Emulator working within Windows2000 on the Xbox.
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I see a old computer monitor... with nothing playing on it.
I think this is a joke, anyone want to confirm?
Money cannot buy happiness, but can buy something soo darn close, that you can't really tell the difference
Uhm, did I miss something? Which virtualization software? VMWare? Wine?
Ciryon
No. You can't run another VMWare session inside of a VMWare session. x86 hardware just isn't suited to virtualisation, and one layer is all you'll get.
Now, you could run Linux under Bochs under Windows 2000 under VMWare under Linux on the XBox....
i am curious, i know that xbox runs a stripped down win2k kernel, but is it possible to run win2k with full kernel (maybe even without hardware mods) and run window games? i mean, its the same hardware, and except for the video card driver, which might even be supplied by nvidias unified drivers :P, i think that it would be pretty cool to be able to play all my pc games on an xbox... thnx for any input..
Someone PLEASE get these people a decent TV, man! and a better camera! ;)
Those photos would have a lot more impact on me if i could see them better. hehe these guys are doing great things but someone please donate a TV or bigger monitor or whatever they're using.
http://www.openoffice.org/screenshots/index.html
screenshots of open office on XBOX.
no sig.
If virtualization software becomes cheap and effective, perhaps PC clones five years from now will always boot into Linux or another protected-mode OS and then start Windows on the virtual hardware. It would be a nice way to add more power to BIOS setup screens or to allow installing multiple OSes with no hassle. Perhaps also to let Windows 1984 run even on hardware that hasn't been certified as 'trusted'.
-- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
I remember when NT first came out, and Microsoft was pushing it as an Enterprise Server. One of their top engineers was involved in the press announcement, and made the comment with pride that some of the systems in the lab have been running for six weeks without crashing.
The analysts and large customers ROASTED him: "We've had AS400's and HP 3000's and 9000's and Dec Vax's that haven't crashed EVER for YEARS."
Somehow, Gates wiggled his way into the data center. Those Vax's and 3000's are probably still running without crashing, ten years later, if they're still there....
Anytime someone gets another program running under /..
xbox linux you get a new article on
What is so surprising? Once you got the kernel with drivers for framebuffer, sound and usb running you could run almost any program that runs under ix86 linux.
The next big news would be that 3d acceleration is running, so that you can run all those 3d games with reasonable speed.
Anybody try the Xbox as a UT server yet? NWN server anyone?
Ok, it's not easy to get Win2000 running with just 64MB.
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This must be one of the few times this happens, but the Portuguese counterpart of /. , Gildot has beaten his big brother to the story! You can read it here!
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And far off in the distance, you hear the distinct pop of someone's head exploding...
For those who have been saying that the xbox-linux project is
bad for MS because it costs them the loss leader, err, I think
running W2K on it covers that loss leader fairly effectively.
Not that it isn't intersting and all, but the price of W2K will
chew up your savings pretty fast. At this point one of those
Microtel PCs (without W2K) might actually be cheaper.
Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
... its a really funky case mod?
Just kidding. They at least have style/some sort of presentation skills.
The surprise isn't how often we make bad choices; the surprise is how seldom they defeat us.
- One for cracking the Xbox.
- Two for pirating Windows.
- Three for having a bootleg copy of the Matrix.
I guess if you wanna piss 'em off, better do it all at once.What time is it/will be over there? Check with my iPhone app!
I was hoping they would be creative enough to go one step further and install Cygwin!
"Your superior intellect is no match for our puny weapons!"
"JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN"
So now I can download and watch a video... of an MPEG... being played on an OS... which is being EMULATED under another OS.... which is being run on hardware designed for an entirely different OS.
It is fitting that the video in question is from The Matrix. I just want to know what combination of blue and red pills to you take understand the whole setup.
Great, now you can take a 200 dollar, 800 MHZ machine with a 10 GB Hard Drive, a DVD drive, and no floppy, and (after spending days configuring and futzing) get it to run the same software as a 200 dollar, 800 mhz machine with a 10 GB Hard Drive, a CD drive, and no floppy from wallmart.com.
I'm sorry, I don't mean to be down on the project. But having the nasty green box as a cheap computer just isn't as compelling a reason as it used to be, and Microsoft is getting closer and closer to making a profit off of each one sold. Now, if we could find some way to run unsigned games on the raw system, thus creating a tremendous distribution platform, that would be compelling. If we could find some easy way to translate computer games, that would be compelling. If we could DDoS microsoft.com...
I love the sense of irony these system hackers have and can't wait for the next exciting episode. But somehow anything that might make a Microsoft product more popular in a non-entrenched market just doesn't sit right with me.
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They got a PC-based platform to run a PC based operating system inside another PC based operating system.
I do that now with my Athlon 2000 MP.
- A.P.
"Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
since reinstalling on an Xbox just might constitute a "hardware change" sufficient to trigger Product Activation...
But, that is a good reminder of the reduction in casual copying that WPA undoubtedly has brought about (for better or worse).
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Not only do they lose $150 on the Xbox itself, they lose another $200 on the pirated copy of Win2K. Sweeeeet...
In this screenshot:
Tux crying
is it because he is sitting on top of a Microsoft product???
He looks fine in this picture.
Slashdotted Gildot.
Evil is the money of root.
Don't these people have anything better to do with their time and energy. It's almost as wastefull as spending your days on Slashdot!
-- Many men would appreciate a woman's mind more if they could fondle it
Just curious.
Love many, trust a few, do harm to none.
1. Spread the (false) news that the XBox is unhackable. This is a psychological move aimed to attracting hackers and geeks, in other words have more people writing software for the XBox, i.e. more potential employed coders in the future.
2. Spread the (false) news that the XBox is underpriced, and every time one is sold Microsoft loses money. This is plainly false (and in many countries would be illegal). The purpose is of course selling XBoxe[s|n] to Microsoft haters too.
3. Make easily crackable changes to the XBox firmware to hide your real purposes (see point 1).
4. Profit!
I think a phone call into product activation would've been a hoot.
Product Activation: "Hello, Product Activation center. What can I do to help you today?"
Crafty Hacker: "Uh, yeah. I need to re-activate my XP installation. I changed a couple things and it apparently tripped something."
PA: "Okay, sure. First, what's the CD Key on your XP installation disk?"
CH: "Err, its [rattles off numbers/letters]."
PA: "Right. Okay. What type of system do you have it running on now,then? I need your make/model, processor speed, [etc.]"
CH: "Well, I guess the system is a Microsoft XBOX. [starts ratting off rest of system specs] --"
PA: "A What? It doesn't run on that. Are you sure you don't mean--"
CH: "No, really... the verification hash of the system is [rattles off numbers/letters]"
PA: "That seems like a valid hash, but..." (Increasingly nervous product activation employee has a panic attack as a manager tries to make sense of the ensuing chaos.)
Which virtualisation software was that?
The 'common' virtualization software is Vmware, or Wine. VMware, I doubt works without the proper architecture behind it.. sot hat leaves wine..
but you don't run windows in wine.. so...
What is it?
eYes, because you have virtual pc on the mac os running a ps2 emulator as the emulated os? I didn't know that was possible, I expected it to run windows, which would run the ps2 emulator!
its not emulating another product. its just emulating a virtual computer. in other words, the product itself (win2000) is not emulated.
What do you think you mean with "VMware, I doubt works without the proper architecture behind it." What do you think an XBox is? Do you understand what an Operating System is, and how device drivers work? Once they had Linux and XFree86 running, they can run any x86 Linux software they like. Including VMWare.
That I'd like to see. MOL will only run on Mac PPC hardware, and basically virtualises a PPC machine and boots the Mac ROM inside of it.
If you can do that on an XBox, I'd be very impressed.
Why do they care so much about Linux to work under Xbox?
Why does MS even bother to restrict what the X-Box can run? From what I have seen, they would be able to sell more consoles if it was open to whatever people wanted it to run.
The guy demoing it is mainly meant to protect laptop data from common thieves, is targeted towards road warriors, and is not meant to keep the government out because if they arrest you and the laptop, they can coerce you into giving them access.
Ah yes, google rules. Here's a link to a story about it. Company name is NAH6.
Many people here talked about Wine and VMWare, but many forgot to talk about bochs: a free [freespeech] PC emulator.
More infos: http://bochs.sourceforge.net
Now they just need to get CygWin running under Windows. THEN, they could run an Xbox emulator. . .
I couldn't tell if you were experimenting with poor-man's cryogenics or looking for the orange sherbet.
GNU/Linux on an XBox - what a waste of time!
Pixels keep you awake!
Wake me up when this guy has 30 operating systems running on an XBox.
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They are protecting their investment. Microsoft loses on the sale of an Xbox (if you listen to industry practices) and make their money up on the games. Now imagine if the hardware can be hacked in such a way that you can bypass the security measures on it, and run whatever you want, including copied versions of their games. Big money losses!
Now imagine that this is going on right now... Oh wait, it is.
You think that I'm crazy, you should see this guy!
You honestly think that they paid for that copy of Win2k that they used? They can't afford a decent monitor, a decent pc, or a real tv. What makes you think they can afford Win2k?
But nobody seems to get it... XBox on W2k on Linux on XBox...
Hmmm... if W2k runs on Linux can we say Linux is ready for the desktop yet?
but many forgot to talk about bochs: a free [freespeech] PC emulator.
Bochs emulates a PC, including the CPU. Thus, things become slow, and you may not have enough power to view an MPEG movie, but you can run x86 apps on other CPU architectures. In addition, bochs is slow enough that it runs old DOS games at the "right" speed.
Plex86, on the other hand, runs on x86 processors and "virtualizes" the environment. It emulates only the motherboard, a couple common adapter cards, and some aspects of the inner-ring modes of the CPU. It runs x86 user code natively on the processor, preserving most of the speed.
But if they can build a $200 Lindows PC, why not make a $200 "additional PC" PCI card? It would let Anonymous Coward actually build a Beowulf cluster in his PC's case.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Nobody buys Win2k silly. That's why it's the last great Microsoft OS. XP on the other hand is a pile of shit since it's harder to pirate and you need to pay for it. Fuck that.
And pretty soon, it'll be able to run XBox GAMES TOO!! What progress!
call me when they sucessfully boot 38 OSs on XBOX.
Hat's off to these guys for doing that! Gives me encouragement that somewhere, somehow, someone is able to get their machines to "jump through hoops" with all that "running windows on top of linux on a game console" stuff. Hooray for them! Now, if I could just get the $%@&* CDROM drive to boot in something other than Windows 98 on this Compaq Deskpro 575 that I have worn the hell out. Imagine my shock and suprise when even tomsrtbt 1.7.361 can't spot this drive when Windows 98 can and does! I'm ready to throw this peezoshit in the Dumpster!
Rapidweather's Linux Screenshots.
Does anyone know if you can still play X-Box games on a box that's been that heavily modified? That alone would almost make me want to add an X-Box to my console shelf. At $299 CAD, that's a CHEAP ass rig for running windows games.
I imagine that Direct X would have some issues with it, and that finding a driver for the X-Box video processor would be a bitch though.. =P
Go back and continue sucking Gates' cock, plz.
Or like a multiboot setup I once did (for reasons that escape even myself): boot to DRDOS, use its boot manager to select Win2K, use its boot manager to select Win95, which in turn was set up to start in plain M$DOS. Talk about the long way around! :)
~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
If windows runs as xbox think of the possibilities for MS. It could be a gaiming center, media center, and computer. Also it would be cheap MS could sell it for $500 and Include a 32 Inch TV instead of a monitor.
Image what linux would look like on a 53 inch projection TV !!!!! Maybe this is MS's plan to use to take control of x86 manufacturing and smash Aol out of Media. But will they use it.
Xbox could be what makes up the hardware of Pallidan!!!
Human on Earth
lets install linux so we can run windows! but if we run windows nativly, it really sucks.
lame.
So, is it Xbox Linux or Xbox GNU/Linux? Heh, I feel like a troll for asking that. Better mod me down into oblivion.
"To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the human spirit." -Stephen Hawking
..until I saw the cables connecting it all up to the XBox. I can practically HEAR the tortured scream of the XBox forced to boot it's mortal enemy "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!". Take that ya bastard. #:^)
Spread the RC luvin'
projects like this are it.
You mean to tell me that some guys actually ran Linux softare WHILE RUNNING LINUX? That's just fucking incredible.
Running Windows 2000 on top of Linux on top of a Windows 2000 deviriation..... that must be *fast*. Why not throw in a PPC emulation so you could run Mac OS X (via MOL) on top of LinuxPPC on top of Windows 2000 on top of Linux on top of some closed version of Windows 2000. Now then we can get some *real* cheap and fast Macs :-)
"My God...it's full of penguins!"
or
"What's the GREEN pill do?"
That is the dumbest thing I have ever read.
How do I get the video?
Is there better software for windows that can play AVIs?
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
So if you line the Xbox up against an equivalent PC, which one is faster running programs?
If the Xbox is quicker, is it due to it's memory architechture? (sp?)
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
Can we believe these pictures?
That is the dumbest thing I have ever read.
Well, yes, of course. That's because it went over your head. Go buy a case of Laffy Taffy candy, it has jokes at your level. Enjoy!
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I want to see their legitimate licenses of win2k and the pc emulation software :D
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Why bother with these posts? Who cares. Getting linux or anything else to run on the XBOX is a waste of time, resources, and it utterly useless. Perhaps these people should spendd their time doing something a bit more productive. If you're going to do something, do something worth doing.
Why are you so sure that Apple is going to switch over to X86? I actually think that's quite unlikely, although Apple is keeping their options opened by keeping a current X86 Jaguar port. Unless something consederably bad happened to the PowerPC architecture, I can't see why they would ever change over to x86's. A PowerPC from either IBM or Motorola is their future.
Hmm... It's... Sig2Dat time! File:The Matrix [DivX].avi Length:606580736 Bytes,592364KB UUHash:=NU+6vO//nt1xRJWKvtxhMM2gmLA= Wanna bet?
The roots of education are bitter, but the fruit is sweet.
--Aristotle
Now how about running the technically superior FreeBSD operating system instead of some Unix(tm) wannabe without a stable vm and filesystem?
Why have linux in the process at all? If you can win2k on top of linux on the xbox hardware using some sort of VMWare like product, why not just get win2k to work on the xbox itself? Most of the hardware is stardard pc stuff anyway with the exception of video.
Who the fuck cares. What a childish waste of time. Something dribbling down your chin.
OK, so it isn't PPC, but there's a fully functional 68K Mac emulator for Linux called Basilisk II. I use it to run Escape Velocity on my PC under Mac OS 8.1.
The roots of education are bitter, but the fruit is sweet.
--Aristotle
Rinse and repeat!
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I can't believe that you are actually talking about paying for windows.... Steal it. Gates and Ballmer *want* you to steal it. Porn looks better on a pirated OS. Learn all about FTP...
Hammy
what visuliation software?
wine?
xwine?
were did tux-racer come from?
Murphy's Law of Research: Enough research will tend to support your theory.
Linux guys are creaming their shorts, MS guys are crappin' in their.
'had to be said.
You say things that offend me and I can deal with it. Can you?
Looks like a Commodore 1902 or 1084!
another way to could go about it would make it boot unix and then emulate the xbox
LOL, nice! Also recommended is double bubble comics.
I'll go try again, but I'm sure I've got the right codec.
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
...can't you geeks just masturbate normally like everyone else?
One might think that, but that stopped being true a while ago.
Wake me when you don't need a hardware mod to install linux, and you can still play games afterwards.
main(c,r){for(r=32;r;) printf(++c>31?c=!r--,"\n":c<r?" ":~c&r?" `":" #");}
what about Linux running on X-BOx with a Playstation emulator?
That'd really kick some serious ass!!
Checking out the stuff... never mind.
MY favorite part was at the end where it said "system failure". Or is that a Windows Media error message? (wakka wakka)
What about compared to a PC with 64mb of ram?
I'm just curious if the memory interface is better than what's currently on PCs.
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
I just grabbed the latest divx. (I was one version old.) Problem solved.
Thanks for pointing out the obvious!
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
Because Wine is a wrapper - it doesn't implement the various GUI calls on Windows, it simply translates them to equivalent calls (or strings of calls) for X. If the XBox doesn't have these calls at all, you'd have to reimplement them from the ground up. The knowledge the Wine project has on the Windows API would be useful for this, but the Wine code most likely wouldn't.
I hate to break it to you, but that really wasn't funny. At all. Not even slashdot funny (a funny just below Carrot Top).
Atari 2600, Gameboy/Gameboy Color, Gameboy Advance, Game Gear/Sega Master System, Commodore-64, Atari Lynx, TurboGrafx-16/PC-Engine, NeoGeo Pocket Color, NES/Famicom, SNES/Super Famicom, Genesis/Megadrive, MAME, and X86 (Bochs).
Here's a website for most of the above:
http://xport.xb-power.com
There are pre-made packages for the "Bochs for XBox" project that run DOS 6.22, Windows 3.11, and Windows 95. Granted, Windows 95 runs too slowly to do anything truly useful, but it runs. Bochs on XBox does a great job of emulating all those great old DOS games, though. These people, along with the other XBox home-brewers, should also be commended for their fine work.
What wasn't?
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It runs even faster and better with less memory usage!
get a life people! good grief!
Maybe you should get out more then
Wow, you're a fucking clever one, arn't you? Say, could you pop 'round and help my mom with her AOL. I dunna-now what all those shiny buttons do!
One of the big reasons the Xbox can't load windows is because the memory architecture is a lot different from what I understand.
So I'd like to see how Xbox memory arch compares to PC memory arch.
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
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