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Star Trek: Deep Space Nine DVD Details Announced
l0key432 writes "The first season of Deep Space Nine will be released on DVD in late-February next year in the form of a six-disc box set, Paramount Home Entertainment officially announced on StarTrek.com. The DVDs will contain, of course, all of the season one episodes, newly remixed Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround and many extras. The following six seasons will be released one or two months apart from each other, as the Next Generation box sets were. Good to see this show finally coming out on DVD and getting some of the recognition it truly deserves."
I'm not so sure how releasing something on DVD is providing recognition it deserves. I could understand saying that if Paramount went all out trying to promote it I could call it recognition. But if, not keep in mind how much low quality stuff gets put out that is "gaining recognition".
A planet where apes evolved from men? Long live the apes.
Are we going to be victimized on the price of this series just like when STNG came out on DVD?
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I believe the first season has been out on DVD for some time now. I rememeber when I moved from NY to RI the local stations did not have it so I looked into purchasing the series on DVD and they only had the first season. To add salt in the wound, there were only one/two episodes per disc and they were 19.95 per disc. No set. I fgured it would probably cost upwards of $2K for the whole series at that rate (if it had been available). What a rip off that was. Someone there was greedy. Glad to see they are finally releasing it in a more sane config.
Who are you? The new #2 Who is #1? You are #617565. I am not a number, I am a free man! Muhahaha.
We can see wayun(?) die all over again.
Who needs kenny when you've got him.
Be you Admins? nay, we are but lusers!
Who here agrees with the order of the Star Trek franchise from top to bottom:
TNG
DS9
Enterprise
Original
Voyager -- A Shame to be preceded by the words "Star Trek" IMNSHO
Shit, dude. It's all about Nichole DeBoer. I've been in love with her since she was "Laura" on the Kids in the Hall.
That is a pretty strong word to use unless Paramount had a gun to your head. I think they didn't charge enough, because if you consider yourself "victimized" you would have probably payed even more (considering that you act as if you had no choice).
Slashdotter are stupid and biased.
Don't get me wrong, I love DS9 though.
It's too bad the many talented folks on DS9 were let go to work on so many great other shows after the show ended.
Of course, the rich tapestry that was DS9 probably threatened Brannon and Rick and thus we ended up with Voyager and Enterprise.
Star Trek fans wondering what to do with life once all seven seasons of Star Trek: The Next Generation on DVD have been released come December can take heart: Star Trek: Deep Space Nine on DVD is following right behind.
Season 1 of DS9 on DVD Paramount Home Entertainment has announced that the entire series of DS9, plus a Gamma Quadrant's worth of special extras, will be issued on DVD in 2003 with Season One due on February 25th.
Season One of DS9 on DVD will come in a six-disc collector's box set containing, naturally, all of the Season One episodes, along with new, never before seen featurettes. New seasons of DS9 will be available every other month.
The DS9 DVD's feature newly remixed Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround and exclusive retrospective featurettes. Fans who pick up the TNG Seasons Six and Seven will be able to get a peek at the upcoming DS9 DVD's, as special trailers have been added to the TNG sets.
Season 1 of DS9 on DVDThe DS9 DVD Contents are as follows:
Disc 1: "Emissary," "Past Prologue," "A Man Alone"
Disc 2: "Babel," "Captive Pursuit," "Q-Less," "Dax"
Disc 3: "The Passenger," "Move Along Home," "The Nagus," "Vortex"
Disc 4: "Battle Lines," "The Storyteller," "Progress," "If Wishes Were Horses"
Disc 5: "The Forsaken," "Dramatis Personae," "Duet," "In the Hands of the Prophets"
Disc 6: Special Features, including the feature Deep Space Nine: A Bold Beginning, Crew Dossier: Kira Nerys, Michael Westmore's Aliens: Season One, Secrets of Quark's Bar, Alien Artifacts: Season One, Deep Space Nine Sketchbook, Deep Space Nine Chronicles, Section 31 Hidden Files and a Photo Gallery.
So DS9 fans should take January to clear off more shelf space, because on February 25, the wormhole opens.
If I remember correctly, DS9 season 1 was kinda lame. I heard it got better in later seasons, but they don't show DS9 on TV where I live any more.
I did manage to watch the entire run of Babylon 5, and that was much better than any Star Trek, in comparison.
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Rich Tapestry? Did I miss that one in some episode?
The last series that I ever saw that had that would be Babylon 5. Jeremiah seems to be turning out to be that too.
What we see depends on mainly what we look for. -- John Lubbock Now search for that bug slave!
when you can just go buy the Babylon5 season 1 box set now and see the same story [ me ducks :-) ]
or is that pricegrabber link under the realted links new....
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Funny that you mention it... I've been tuning in recently to TNN's TNG broadcasts, and remembering how good, and how BAD Trek can be. Some episodes are funny, spooky, interesting or downright cool, but seeing it now as an adult, its not nearly as cool as I remember it being when I was a kid.
The Best of Both Worlds may have been better than most of the movies, but half the time the script didn't live up. The chemistry of TNG had that special something that later series tried to capture with little success, but it DIDN'T have the awesome writing of later series.
Late-season voayger had some fantastic writers at the helm, and as for DS9, a decade after TNG, I'll say that it's severly underrated. Never had Trek ventured so much into politics and religion, never had individuals had so powerful motivations and messages. DS9 had better characters and a deeper milieu than TNG. But because there was no space opera, no flying around and blasting aliens, it wasn't as successful.
Nevermind, I guess I'll buy the DVDS. But that's just my 2 cents.
Deepsace nine had the most intense battle scenes ever in any tv show. Those big war scenes with those crazy camera angles was awesome!
One thing that I loved was when they simulated a camera being attached to the hull of the defiant. That looked really awesome when they were flying in circles and shooting people.
You are right that the first few seasons were like a soap opera but every few episodes it got to be more then that. I suggest you watch the last 3 seasons of DS9, you'll realize its one of the best sci-fi shows ever.
..that it had no coherent plot arc that spanned more than four episodes in a row (O'Brien is suicidal one episode, his normal self the next!), and the fact that it became a rip off of Babylon 5 ("They're having a war. We need one! Sheridan's going beyond the rim? Let's send Sisko to the Prophets!")..
I *liked* DS9. I'd actually say I liked it more than Next Gen. It certainly kicks the crap out of Voyager and Enterprise.
Why? One word. Klingons. They are, without a doubt, the coolest part of the entire Trek franchise. They aren't based off of screwed up yet glaringly obvious mythology, like Vulcans and Romulans. They're not just another alien species with bumps on their nose, like the Bajorans and fifty other races. They.. Well, okay, two reasons - Cardassians were pretty damned cool - Garrick, at least.
I wish my tailor went out and killed people.
Despite my bitching about DS9's plot arc, or lack thereof, I'll give them credit - they started forging one in the last seasons. So far, it's the only Trek series to have done that.
Since I have a slight hangover, I'll cheer loudly, and leave you with this quote:
"Comment?! Klingon programmers do not comment!"
Ron Moore was one of the main guys to then go onto Voyager from DS9 (he did Q&A sessions available on TrekWeb).
He went over to try and sort some of the problems out (i.e. continuity reset button, more fluid story arc, etc), but ended up leaving because he couldn't work with people who just didn't give a shit about trying to make the series better anymore (i.e. the writers).
Although I don't have a link of where he gave his reasons for leaving, but it's out there... somewhere (a bit like my desire for watching Enterprise, it has completely disappeared).
Are you local? There's nothing for you here!
And this is Deep Space Nine... Not great cinema was it...
And when the format changes (as it will, you can pay all over again.)
You can. I won't. I hope that there's too few suckers out there for the studios to make yet another buck off this.
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The first season of Babylon 5 is available NOW on DVD.
For those who aren't aware, or haven't seen, Babylon 5 has a far more interesting and COHESIVE story than DS9 - and DS9 was the closest approximation ST ever had to a cohesive storyline.
What do I mean by cohesive? Simply this: there's no reset button. Everything isn't solved at the end of the episode, all mutations un-mutated, all weird twists un-twisted. There are episodes in Season 5 which are tied closely to what happened in episodes from the other four seasons.
There's a real story - beginning, middle, and end. It spreads over the full 5 seasons. And, if my opinion isn't already clear - that's huge. It's a good story, and worth exercising your attention span for.
Sure, their special effects budget wasn't as rich as $T. Some threads get mangled because an actor wasn't available two seasons after the seeds were planted. When you consider the difficulty of producing a cohesive epic 5-season TV show, though, B5 did pretty good.
They also beat the last battle of Return of the Jedi, claiming for a short while, 'most ships on screen in a battle'.
Idiot. The noteworthy fact about ROTJ is that one shot included more motion-controlled model shots optically composited together than ever before. As far as I know, that record still stands.
"Most ships on the screen" doesn't mean a damn thing. But the challenge of optically compositing umpty-bump layers together without having the result look like one big blur is... well, it's more well than you can imagine.
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I loved this scene:
Quark: "I want you to try something for me. Take a sip of this."
Garak: "What is it?"
Quark: "A Human drink, it's called Root Beer."
Garak: "Ahh, I don't know....."
Quark: "Come on....Aren't you in the least bit curious?"
Quark: "..........What d'you think?"
Garak: "It's vile!"
Quark: "I know. It's so bubbly and cloy, and happy."
Garak: "Just like the Federation....."
Quark: "But do you know what's really frightening? If you drink enough of it you begin to like it...."
Garak: "....It's insidious...."
Quark: "....Just like the Federation."
Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
I thought /.ers don't hate MPAA/RIAA so much, right? But then, every week, we see this "Oooh, shiny DVD/CD" on some shit repackaged over and over, over (ok, I don't know if this one is repackaged or not, as I don't watch TV for the last five years now). And then every new or repackaged DVD/CD is a must-have.
/. prefereneces if I can filter out all these movie/tv/CD/DVD-related junks.
No wonder we get all these stupid DMCA, permanent mickey mouse copyright extension, regional DVD encoding, "copy protection scheme" CD, etc. People would scream "bloody hell" one minute and rush to spend money on whatever MPAA/RIAA care to put on the market the next minute after. If I were an executive of an MPAA/RIAA-member corporation, I would have done exactly the same thing to milk you people, because that's too easy.
Sometimes, you can feel so lonely trying to make people understand MPAA/RIAA are bad, and there are many ways you can change things, and one of these is to vote with your money. Am I the only person here who don't own DVD player, don't have cable TV and don't watch TV, don't buy CD, don't go to cinema?
(I do go to live concerts tho).
Whatever, you can mod me down into oblivion for venting here, but I'm going to look at
You've never seen DS9, have you AC? ;-) :-)
I was initially pissed off at my TV station that promised Trekkers that they would bring the new Star Trek series to our screens, and when they fell through, I transferred that anger to DS9 itself. I was saying, "Well how good could a show where they don't go anywhere be?" It was sour grapes, until I say my first show in Winnipeg on a 4 inch black and white screen, and I loved it. I was in Trek withdrawl, and DS9 was my new fix.
Years later, I started to tape the show at my Grandparents house, and when the tape was full, I'd bring it home and watch it. I got to see Voyager this way too. I started watching just when both series started to get really good. I watched the last 3 seasons of DS9 with a 3 week tape delay. Anyone who has seen more than a few shows, knows that they leave the station frequently, and even when they don't, interesting aliens visit the station anyway. And there is always Quark's bar and holosuites
TNG doesn't go flying around in every show, and not everyone centers on their voyage, anyway. To keep costs down, both TOS and TNG shot entire shows in closed sets with the meager benefit of stock ship warping shots. I can think of dozens of DS9 episodes where the station is not the scene of the action. And around season 3, Worf and the Defiant show up too
So don't be like me, and bash DS9 before seeing it. Like any Trek series, if you watch it, you'll like it. And if you don't, you aren't using your imagination very well.
Saskboy's blog is good. 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
I am a huge fan of all the other series, but I really disliked DS9. It was all politics to me.
It's odd because most fans I know didn't care for Voyager, but I thought it was great.
I like Enterprise a lot too. Took a little while to grow on me but it's not too bad.
More than anything I think I'd like to see a followup series AFTER STNG with Riker as Captain.
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
I'll be getting them both.
Because one story is good doesn't render the other bad. I think they were both good series, for very different reasons.
That they're both set on a space station is pretty much where most similarities end.
Not sure if this was meant to be funny or serious, but good point. The new ST's should have revisited the stories and people that were introduced in the original series more often. What happened to Balok? Or the planet with the gangsters where Kirk said "I'm putting the bag on Krako." Or Rojan and his invaders from the Andromeda galaxy that were convinced to settle on a planet in the federation instead of return back home. Or those tribes people with the white 80's hair on that planet from A private little war.
The best show ever, Northern Exposure still remains DVD-less.
Which season had the Borg season finalie (or was it season premiere) episode? That's my all time favourite - STTNG and DS9 together.
I'll be buying that boxed set!
are we forgetting dax?
Escape
oh yeah and she was *real* if you know what i mean
Escape
It will be a GREAT set to own, and I can't wait!
The wheel is turning, but the hamster is dead.
one word Lyta(see http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/1 07.html the 9th point plot)
Escape
btw: the german (with a full english audio track) Babylon 5 Code 2 DVD is very cheap (30 ) so if your player supports PAL and Code 2 you may want to consider the Cheaper Code 2 DVD. (but Episode 8 has some errors (the 4:3 cgi is scaled to 16:9 so it doesnt look that good))
Um, in the jargon of special effects, "motion controlled" means that the motion of a camera or its target (or probably both) is controlled by a computer. It's a way of filming miniature models.
Computer-generated imagery doesn't count, as there's no actual motion. Special Effects experts consider this a real difference.
You could argue that "virtual motion-control" has been performed, but that's a big stretch. The difficult part of motion control is mechanical engineering- working 100% in software lets you trivially increase the entity count by doubling your filesize + rendering time. (I could argue that I beat the world high-jump record when I played Virtua Fighter 3, too)
The Star Wars motion control record will probably stand forever, since big use of motion control is no longer cost effective to pursue.
the natural sequel to DS9 of course - in which Captain Steven P. Jobs explores the strange new worlds of the seemingly enless tract of space called Intel 4 and it's sister universe Athlon.
The main ally in Athlon will be the Durons. A technologically slow but friendly race with a cranial crest of metal spikes which can be used as a weapon in pinch and the ability to do most calculations in their heads.
Captain Steve on the intrepid ship OSS Xmac will, on a weekly basis, have to partner with the inferior but faithful Athlons to deal with the schemeing inhabitants of the Intel universe and their ability to subsume entire worlds by taking over the population using their superior weapons R&D and the ability to heat up and melt plastic if threatened.
Cake or Death? Cake Please!
will be 'G'.
A mysterious being represented by a small wormlike creature that crawls in the ear of it's victims and watches everything they do gaining unlimited knowledge and using it to blackmail leaders of races and the people they lead into subservience. A recurring theme in DS X will be the use of a special GNU-Ray device to rid a poor soul of it's 'G' infestation bringing them back to their senses. The worm will spring from the mouth of the victim being 'saved' , rock back and forth, make some notes on an electronic tablet, laugh a little 'heh-heh' laugh and dematerialize.
Cake or Death? Cake Please!
The Changelings are worried enough about the Federation to engage in a major war against it
Changelings are excellent spies. Even after the Federation was aware of them, and taking measures against them, we saw Changelines take the place of the top Klingon, and infiltrate very high into Starfleet.
Starfleet has been penetrated before. E.g., in TNG, there were those aliens that crawled down your throat and took over...those got into, I think, at least an Admiral.
We've seen many more, in TNG and the OS, that tried to penetrate Starfleet, but were foiled.
We also saw in several DS9 episodes that there are corrupt or rogue elements within Starfleet. Section 31, for example. Whether these are really due to bad humans, or the result of alien penetration is up for speculation.
Given all that, here's how they could have ended the series. The Changelings are fighting the Federation not because they just have an irrational hatred of solids from years of mistreatment before they started the Dominion. Rather, they oppose the Federation because they have spies at the highest levels and know the truth. The "good guy" Federation that Sisko is fighting for is just a sham, covering up evil people (or aliens) that are trying to grab galaxy-wide power.
The series could have ended with Sisko realizing this, and changing sides, working as a rebel trying to overthrow the evil side of the Federation to save the good side.
Actually Enterprise is at a time before Kirk and such. So it's my personal belief that a DoomsDay machine would fit right in. Humor yes in a twisted and warped sense. :)
~~ Behold the flying cow with a rail gun! ~~
Best Start Trek series ever.
DS9 was the only show that had genuine pathos, a sense of deep tragedy. The moment I'm thinking of at the moment is when Gul Dukat's illegimate daughther Tora is killed as a traitor by Garak. (It was so rare in the other series for someone to get killed whose name you knew or cared about.)
:) I don't mean to suggest or exclude any racial prejudice, but that decision was plainly stupid; Avery Brooks was one the most talented actors they ever had, on a par with Patrick Stewart who, when given good material, really shone.
In another episode, the essential crew (ever notice how all the most valuable people go on all the dangerous away missions) tried to salvage a crashed Dominion warship and are besieged by the Jem'Hadar (I had to check these spelling, BTW -- see startrek.com). One of the crewman is wounded and dies slowly! This was one of the few times the essential nastiness of dying in war was explored. Most often, Star Trek was very hygenic about these things, even vaporizing the corpse.
DS9 was generally more character-centered, both individuals and entire civilizations such as Ferengi, Klingons, the Jem'Hadar/Founders symbiosis, Bajoran, and so on. Voyager was the polar opposite, dominated by technobabble -- I think even the writers call it that, it's inserted after the script is written, which should give a sense of its irrelevance.
The real world doesn't have a plot arc, and I'm not sure a long-running series should either, though it does need continuity. DS9 was mostly about struggling to exist in a hostile crossroads of the galaxy. If you want predictable plot arc, again you have Voyager. No I didn't hate V'ger, but it has good episodes whereas DS9 was a good series.
One bit of analysis I would like to throw out is that it is disturbing that the captain the Trek people choose to snub, it's the only black captain and really the best and most powerful black actor in the entire franchise. (Let me explain that Uhura is wonderful but given little to say or do until the movies -- and Travis (Enterprise) has so far (non) developed like Uhura; Tuvok is a sterile bore who made Spock look like a rabid Klingon; Geordi, well, admit he got on our nerves; and I'm not quite sure whether to count Worf, though it goes without saying he's a cool dude, at least I would never criticize him to his face
Incidentally, was it ever adequately explained how Klingon technology evolved in a society where they kill each other over social slights?
...everytime I see the Scarecrow commanding the Babylon 5 station.
Oops -- Tora was not "killed by Garak" the tailor; she was killed by what's-his-face, you know the bad Cardassian who later becomes a grudging good guy when he realizes the Founders are going to exterminate his people.
Just trying to head off a correction for my typo!
Never attempt written comedy right after waking up, kids.
(looking forward to the lectures about stealing things I don't like paying for)
sic transit gloria mundi
The episode'd be called...
... a bummer...
... and I'm a Dominion Captain.
"Switch"
I can see the promo for it.
*Sisko, shifting from foot to foot*
I was writing a message, on the console, when - beep! beep! beep! beep! beep! beep! - and like, half of my message was gone! And I was like... ngggh? Evil Federation spies had devoured, my message.
It was a really good message. And then I had to do it fast... so it wasn't as good. I could see how Changlings feel. And it was like
I'm Benjamin Sisko
Cake or Death? Cake Please!
See also Sports Night, now available in a no-frills but nonetheless complete DVD set -- both seasons in one box.
Sports Night was canceled by ABC, who didn't know how to market it (it was a highly intelligent comedy -- imagine that). The final episode was a beautiful dig at ABC: "Anybody who can't make money off Sports Night should get out of the money-making business," spoken by the billionaire tech geek who bought out the fictitious CSC cable network and its "Sports Night" news show.
Sports Night featured one of my favorite characters ever, Jeremy Goodwin, a sports/computer nerd and a /. reader if there ever was one on TV.
Brilliant show. I wish they'd strip out the laugh track from the first season (as with the comparable M*A*S*H, the network didn't think viewers would know which parts were funny), but hey, that's for the Special Collector's Edition, right?
Note: You can check out Sports Night on Comedy Central, but they re-cut the episodes for different commercial breaks, which screws up the act structure.
I loved TNG when I was in junior high, but as an adult, I look at it now and see a show made for teenagers. Feeling isolated and different? Don't worry, Data, Worf, Wesley, and Jordy are ALL there to remind you that you're not alone. DS9, however, is good science-fiction , period. Two absolutely great episodes, Far Beyond The Stars and In The Pale Moonlight were simply great fiction in any milieu, which I just didn't find the other series delivering. (rather, it seemed to be all about seeing our much-beloved gang in new situations -- look: the night shift! look: Data with a cat! Ok, sometimes this worked to spectacular effect -- case in point, Picard's lifetime spent on the dying planet) I did initially find DS9 to be rather boring -- I didn't care about Bajorans OR Cardassians. But a few seasons in, I started seeing some of my favorite science fiction anywhere. Don't know about you, but I could have watched half a season of O'Brien skulking around with "The Syndicate." Though if they made another episode where O'Brien and Keiko continuously squabbled, I would have shot myself in the head and bled contempt. I see what some of you are saying about B5, but honestly, I just don't get it. Yes, no one hour solutions. Yes, bold attempt to create a non-Trek universe (difficult these days when Trek has such a grip on pop culture). But somehow... they just seem to do it all so badly. As for other series, I'll be shilling out whatever I can afford to get Six Feet Under when it comes out... after I get my DS9, of course. :)
Oh, and had to get some James Darren tunes. I'm spending my rehab time at Vic's place.
Oh, don't even get me started on Voyager.
And for once, do as I say and not as I do!
We do not live in the 21st century. We live in the 20 second century.
The first season of Babylon 5 was just released on DVD, and there appears to be an echoing silence on Slashdot. What's the deal? A bad episode of B5 is better than most good episodes of ST:TNG, and I'm speaking as someone who still has his off-the-air tape of "Encounter at Farpoint" lying around somewhere. :-)
Paramount.
:O
If you browse the trivia section of Star Trek I, you will see that Paramount has quite a history of misinforming the public about what their plans are. They said they would start a new series, when at the same time they planned to make a Motion Picture instead.
That's just one example. I have heard official and unofficial rumors about the release of Enterprise season 1 on dvd. According to a Paramount executive, it was scheduled for march. March 2002.
And DS9? I lost count of how many announcements there were for DS9 DVDs. What I do know is that most of them were official Paramount announcements. There's been catalogs of Vendors that stated the availability of DS9 DVDs. And what happened? Nothing.
I have my serious doubts about this. But if DS9 will be released on DVD - I'll still be the first to order them. And that even though Paramount has deceived their fans so often. It's just.. that series is just so good
If a train station is a place where a train stops, what's a workstation?
Yes, you get 26 episodes, blah blah blah, but...
Stargate: SG1 runs $45-55 per season (5 DVDs).
The Simpsons runs about $25-35 per season (3-4 DVDs).
$100 a damned season for TNG? You're looking at $700 plus tax for the entire series.
Even TOS comes out to around $700-800 for all episodes--at barely 3 seasons, I believe, that's more like $200-$300 per season!
If the Star Trek eps were down to SG1 prices, about $45-55 per season, I'd buy all of TOS, TNG, DS9, and any others they put out and I wouldn't think twice about it.
At $100 a season though...forget it.
Seinfeld.
The B5 DVDs are great - the only down side is the full series won't be out for a while. The second season is due out April 2003 and the third the following November. Like a good book, the DVDs are hard to put down.
Thanks to the fact it's a flowing plot line I've seen all of season 1 over the past three days. Now I'm stuck. I *need* to see season 2 but I have to wait.
*argh* I hate seeing only half a movie - and that's what like seeing only one season of B5 is like.
Okay, we've got idiots coming out of the walls tonight. I know you kids were raised on the computer-generated whatsit, but back in the day we used to do whatcha call "optical compositing." No computers, no digital anything, just a dark room and some film.
Hence the phrase, "more motion-controlled model shots optically composited together than ever before."
All of Babylon 5's special effects were computer-generated and digitally composited. Apart from looking like hammered shit most of the time, they do not even remotely qualify for the title of most complex optical shot ever.
Sheesh. Kids these days.
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Hah. That show is pathetic, nobody actually watches it. (That I know of.) Just seeing the first episode was a turn off, seeing how they had that skanky scene with the vulcan and the guy, I'm sorry, on a first episode that's just wrong... Also, if I wanted to see a show that goes back a few hundred years, I would want to see a hell of a lot of nostalgia: Red shirted ensigns all the way! As fir DS9, sure it doesn't get the attention it deserves, but after TNG I think most of the treks just started rotting away. But that's just my opinion...
Well, it doesn't jog -my- memory (little does these days), but I Google'd your clue. It looks like you're right, though none of the sources are worth citing (can't anyone spell any more? the trekkies make slashdot look immaculate). One clever observation is that both races name their ships after birds.
Most of the trek speculation about Romulans and Klingons centers on the Klingon transformation from the lightly soiled guys of TOS and the ridged monsters exemplified by Worf. Some speculate the smooth foreheads were the result of Kligon/Romulan interbreeding, later after Romulan betrayal driven out of the species.
A search for "klingon engineer" brings up a moderate amount of stuff, mostly citing Voyager's half-Klingon B'Elanna Torres. Several others are mentioned. In the current Enterprise ("Sleeping Dogs") there was an Officer Bu'kah on the bird of prey rescued from being crushed in a planet's atmosphere. There was also a female Klingon scientist is one of the TNG's. There is no end to further speculation.
In Voyager, they threw in a sensitive engineer from the Harogen (phonetic).
Then there are the Ferengi. They probably just bought it, for a good price.
this means in 3 months I'll be able to download higher quality DVD rips to replace my DS9 collection!
Repeal the DMCA!
That was a joke, right?
Six disc box set
What's the problem?
For a start, I can't say it five times fast.
Okay, here's the thing. I sincerely believe that DS9 is the best one. Everything from the first contact with the Dominion to the end of season 6 was awesome. The best shit ever. But for season 7 they killed off Jadzia Dax and replaced her with a nerd, and the writing got boring and trite, though it was still far better than say, season 7 of TNG. The only thing that *really* made me mad was that in the finale they killed off Weyoun (or his 'last clone'). Man, that guy was the best character ever. But at least, like you say, the space battles were unmatched.
BUT, for all the protestations that Voyager sucked ass, I disagree--well, partly. The first few years of Voyager were absolutely terrible, surely the nadir of startrek so far. None of the characters were the *least bit* interesting, except maybe the doctor, and enemies like the Kazon were a big yawn of a nothing. Plus they made Janeway some kind of female Captain Picard, but forgot to give her a personality or a brain. But then they got rid of Kes, brought in 7/9, and eventually turned Janeway into a useable character. I swear that one of the best startrek scenes ever is the one where the Doctor is trying to teach 7/9 to sing "You are my Sunshine". I mean *come on*, how can you not love that? "you are my sunshine, my only sunshine, you make me happy..." by a borg and a hologram. Supurb. (maybe that's some of the punchline you were looking for)
And I watch Enterprise, and *I* like it. Frankly i consider season 1 of enterprise to be farrrr better than that of tng, ds9 or voyager. People complain about the softcore porn in the pilot ("it's a distraction, it takes away from teh philosophy blah blah blah")...well look how many alien chicks captain kirk got with. Enterprise is another step in a long tradition of sexed up sci fi. Plus most of the characters are awesome, particularly that chief engineer guy, Tucker. Every alien he meets you can practically sense him trying to restrain himself from uttering, "WTF are you?"
As for buying those ds9 DVDs, count me in. But I just can't sit by while people entirely denigrate Voyager and say they despise Enterprise on principle. I hope it goes 10 seasons and they start 5 different wars with the klingons. I'll be in rapt suspense.
--RMT
Well.. I've seen people complaining about the lack of DS( reruns on this thread. In cananda the cable chan space has the WHOLE trek franchaise from tos to voy every day. If you have 4 hours to kill a day it's great television. Yoho. p.s. Each series follows itself linearly.
My god, I am/was a hard-core b5 fanboy during the original broadcast but afterwards I look back and think two things: 1-he did a great job making up stuff as he went along and actors dropped out and 2-jms can't write dialog that's not horribly stilted to save his life.
I shudder now listening to some of the heroic monologues Sheridan and Ivanova and (oh geez) Delenn made.
I *liked* the show a lot. G'kar and Londo kick freaking ass.
But Sisko and Garak and...DS9 is simply a richer, fuller story. Less preachy (which is incredible after TNG) than B5 and more fun too!
"News for Nerds", sure, but Trek nerds will already know about this. Others won't care about a boxed Star Trek set.
It seems to me that something like "Friends - season 1" boxed set would be more appropriate. It shows people with knowledge of hygiene dressing nicely and having normal relationships. Very useful information for nerds.
Or how about when the latest "Girls Gone Wild" dvd is released? After all, man does not whack to jpgs alone...
Speaking of DS9, the movie Nemesis is supposed to be "a generation's final journey."
Which cast will star in the next Star Trek movie(s)?
"Anyway, long story short... is a phrase whose origins are complicated and rambling...." - Abraham Simpson
At the risk of going OT, could someone explain, for the benefit of us backwards Brits, exactly how syndication works and why it stops things getting DVD/video releases?
The omissions are odd because, remember, Roddenberry was incredibly enlightened by 1960's standards even to cast Nichelle Nichols (whom, yes, he was reportedly dating at the time), let alone to broadcast TV's first interracial kiss. Perhaps he just didn't evolve much. At the time I think it had been just a year since the Supreme Court struck down anti-miscegenation laws in 15 states. Like the other team-of-5 actors Nichols wasn't given much to do, but neither was she singled out. She relates that she was tempted to quit the show out of frustration, but was persuaded to stay partly by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., who told her Star Trek was one of the few TV shows he would let his children watch.
As for American Indians, well that's a little tough. I'm not one myself, but I sometimes questioned whether Chakotay and his religion were entirely flattering portrayal. At least, I wanted to jump out a window when Wesley went on his viscion quest.
Off-screen, by all accounts, Stewart has the best non-virtual personaility. (Avery Brooks might be the most intense.) I came across dozens of anecdotes of people happening upon Stewart -- and he must be one of the most recognizable characters -- and his being the perfect gentleman. This was a guestbook entry, mostly
about Shatner
On the other hand, should Stewart be forgiven for participating in "Lifeforce"? The jury's out.
The new Star Treks needed a DoomsDay machine to contend with! Imagine a Voyager episode where a DoomsDay machine is running amuck in the Delta Quadrent and a borg cube or tactical battle cube happens to get gobbled along the way. Neat idea. :)
Yes, it is a neat idea, and a wonderful author of TNG books named Peter David wrote a hardback called Vendetta which continues the story of the old TOS Doomsday Machine episode. It comes back bigger and badder and yes, it takes on more than one Borg ship, usually by eating it. Go to B&N or somewhere and get it, it's great!
Good point! An upside to cloning.
The errant Weyoun may have been #6. Was it Weyoun-7 whose neck Worf casually snapped for making a smartass remark -- giving dour Dumar a rare joke opening? Maybe it was Weyoun-7 who kept getting on the Founder's nerves so much she threatened to have him executed? I wonder whether he really was a limited edition. Weyoun made the Breen seem "warm" by contrast.
Weyoun was like the little dogs in "A Fish Called Wanda."
In its own way DS9 had the best (dark) sense of humor. And some of the fans, too -- one evidently thought Weyoun attractive. Ewwwww. I think/hope Vortas were way beyond mating.
Thanks for making this comment. Peter David is the best ST novelist for my money. And his comics aren't too bad, either.
I'd suggest you don't use Slashdot as your only news source, or you will suffer permanent brain damage.
There's a real story - beginning, middle, and end. It spreads over the full 5 seasons.
Actually, the story was spread out over four seasons, owing to the fact that Straczynski wasn't certain a fifth season would be paid for until about four episodes before the end of the fourth. The fifth season connects with the other four, and carries on the plotlines developed there, but it also feels tacked-on and epilogous (?) because, essentially, it is.
Sure, their special effects budget wasn't as rich as $T.
JMS was proud to inform fans that in every single season, B5 came in under budget due to the heavy use of computer-gemerated graphics instead of the models "Star Trek" and its ilk were dependent upon. I'd say he very effectively did more with less.
These DVD sets of entire TV seasons is such an incredible idea. And I'm glad to see DS9 coming out right after TNG; hopefully, Voyager will follow suit. Here are the complete TV series I would like to see released in DVD sets (just wish I could afford these mammoth releases!): Babylon 5 (including the movies and few Crusade episodes), Outer Limits (the modern run), Highlander (including the short-run female series), Airwolf, Knight Rider (including the reunion stuff), A-Team, Street Hawk, MANTIS, X-Files and Millenium, and both of Sci-Fi Channel's Invincible Man and Farscape. And what was the name of that series that used to air after the Outer Limits on Fox several years ago? What is called the Prophecy? How about some cop series to, like CHiPs, TJ Hooker, Hunter (and what was the name of Fred Dryer's spin-off series on UPN?), Law & Order, and of course, Silk Stalkings (damn that female cop was a hottie!). Babylon 5's first season DVD set was available at Costco. So was the 7-episode Carl Sagan series. My So-Called Life just came out on DVD, too; and I have hated Claire Danes in everyting after that excellent MTV series. MTV's Undressed would be another great DVD idea. Damn, I wish I won the lotto and could vegge on this stuff all day!!!
While the engineer developed his thesis, the director leaned over to
his assistant and whispered, "Did you ever hear of why the sea is salt?"
"Why the sea is salt?" whispered back the assistant. "What do you
mean?"
The director continued: "When I was a little kid, I heard the story of
`Why the sea is salt' many times, but I never thought it important until just
a moment ago. It's something like this: Formerly the sea was fresh water and
salt was rare and expensive. A miller received from a wizard a wonderful
machine that just ground salt out of itself all day long. At first the miller
thought himself the most fortunate man in the world, but soon all the villages
had salt to last them for centuries and still the machine kept on grinding
more salt. The miller had to move out of his house, he had to move off his
acres. At last he determined that he would sink the machine in the sea and
be rid of it. But the mill ground so fast that boat and miller and machine
were sunk together, and down below, the mill still went on grinding and that's
why the sea is salt."
"I don't get you," said the assistant.
-- Guy Endore, "Men of Iron"
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