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Hark! I Hear a Dropped Packet!
aarondsouza writes "The New Scientist has an article about Chris Chafe, a cellist and director of the Center for Computer Research in Music and Acoustics at Stanford University in California, who has the idea that one can use sound as an audible measure of the health of an internet connection. By sending a bunch of sound pulses across the line and measuring echo time, an average ping time of 10ms would be heard as a 100Hz tone. The idea is that the human ear is much more sensitive to variations in pitch, and thus "listening" to the connection would be a better indicator of its health. The article is short on technical specs but the project page (SoundWIRE) has more."
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/11/28/123820 9&mode=thread&tid=95
we speak the way we breathe --Fugazi
Rpeeat from earlier today.
FP by the way
What is this?! A Jerry Lewis Dupe-a-Thon?
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To understand recursion, one must first understand recursion.
This is a duplicate. C'mon guys, this is at least the _third_ duplicate story today.
Sam: "That was needlessly cryptic."
Max: "I'd be peeing my pants if I wore any!"
Now instead of downloading midi's we can just ping our favorite servers and have them send back the right tones to play our favorite songs!
This is a dupe, see This article
Do I detect an echo?
But seriously, this dupe is on the front page...
"Einstein argued that [...] God is not capricious or arbitrary. No such faith comforts the software engineer." ~ Brooks
This is really sad
atleast wait until it leaves the front page before reprinting the same story
The original is still on the homepage! http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/11/28/123820 9&mode=flat&tid=95
first post =)
but more seriously, the implications could be intresting. Instead of blaiming lag for being owned in Q3, you'd blame a bad tone.
i could have sworn i saw this story earlier on slashdot...
Two duplicates today already. For the love of God, please DELETE THIS. Who the hell pays $5 or more a month for this shit?
Oh, yea. Right HERE on the FRONT PAGE.
but at least this story gives me more information before i click on any supplied links, the other one was horrible vaigue.
Steve Hayman did something like this 11 years ago...
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Hello, Slashdot user. My name is Dr. Sbaitso. I am here to help you.
We have so much time, and so little to do - strike that! Reverse it. Tryn Mirell
we only have enough money to run a story once a day.... seriously, is there something wrong with the slashcode or a virus or something? These dupes are getting out of hand here...
HEY TIMOTHY, here's a tip for you buddy:
STOP SMOKING CRACK
lord god almighty
Another dupe in mere hours? They are in the same Slashdot page for crying out loud! :-)
Loban Amaan Rahman ==> Anagram of ==> Aha! An Abnormal Man!
Jesus Q. Fuck.
Take the turkey drumsticks out of your asses and PAY ATTENTION!
I swear, if this keeps up, I'm going to go outside and do something besides read slashdot.
Ha! Psych! But watch out for the dupes okay?????
Read the (Fine) Home Page? Like...before posting?
Yeah, I know using the Slashdot search feature takes maybe a minute or two, possibly, but even on dialup checking http://www.slashdot.org can't take that long, can it?
Maybe it's a cost-saving measure. Run the same three stories all day. Saves work.
Trying to beat the dupe record from yesterday are we?!?!?!?!??!
"....sound as an audible measure..."
What other options do we have as an audible measure? Hmmm?
...my ping time is so high only my dog can hear it.
Sex - Find It
The human ear (and the corresponding piece of driver code in the brain) is very sensitive to regularities and irregularities in sounds. If you convert something to sound and get used to it, you can very easily spot how it "sounds wrong" when something changes.
Seismographists used to convert earthquake vibration patterns to human-audible sounds; this way it became very easy for a trained ear to distinguish between natural quakes and Soviet nuclear tests. On a screen, both looked like a jumble of lines.
Of course, a clever piece of software can do this too - but you already have this clever piece of software installed for free in your brain.
(Unfortunately it is free-beer, as the source is not available. Hmmmm, I guess rms should target God as the largest producer of closed-source software in the Universe?)
I used to bulls-eye womp-rats in my pants
Slashdot has bowled three strikes today...err duplicates:
1. Duplicate Original
2. Duplicate Original
3. Duplicate Original Happy turkey slashdot!
Damn it, the signal to noise ratios in the discussions are low enough. Is this infesting the front page now?
judging by the previous comments (and the very similar story on the front page), I think this story may be a duplicate
What would Brian Boitano do?
Are the editors dropping packets?
don't bother reading the comments, i can sum it up right here:
/. SI TEH SUX
OMG WTF!? THIS IS A DUPE GUY MAN
It's GROOOUNDHOG DAAAY
enjoy the trip
trips
tripping
Ermintrude the Flying Cow writes "Ever wonder what "Ode to Joy" would sound like if stretched to 24 hours? Now you can find out. 9 Beet Stretch is the result of running Beethoven's 9th Symphony in a digital stretching program, turning the one hour piece into a 24 hour attention span acid test. Thankfully, for those of us who know our limits, it's been cut into 19 parts."
DEAR GENTLE SIRS--
I am a biology professor at a university whose name I may not disclose due to representation laws and Internet usage guidelines of the school and have been studying crayfish and marine lobsters extensively for the past decade. I sepcialize in prehistoric cray physiology and breeding patterns of modern crays.
I have recently intiated a hybridization program at the school's lab, utilizing oronectes and procambarus spp. So far success has been abysmal, with 0% success rate between any members of differing genus; however, we have had some berries grow and then mysteriously die between parents of similar genus.
I am wondering who else has attempted crayfish hybridization and if so, with what genus, species, and methods of fertilization.
Thank you.
Damn, you'd feel like a sucker if you'd paid Slashdot for membership, wouldn't you? Try spending the cash on staff, not crack and hookers, Taco.
Methinks Slashdot needs a system to audibly alert the editors when they are about to post a dupe. The closer together, the higher the noise. And if the original is still on the main page, it plays a very load klaxon.
:D
The roots of education are bitter, but the fruit is sweet.
--Aristotle
This story is still on the front page and it's being duped. At least wait a couple of days so some people will forget they read it.
It's sad that Slashdot is coming to this.
you guys can still redeem yourselves. Just quietly DELETE THE DUPE. We promise not to tell.
timothy posts as Hemos
He painted a unicorn in outer space. I'm askin' ya, what's it breathin'?
I get it, on April 1st all the stories are false; On Thanksgiving the stories are dupes.
Does consuming gigantic quantities of turkey and dressing cause this -- I demand a study.
Timothy just doesn't read Slashdot anymore ...
---- "Logoff! That cookie shit makes me nervous!" - A. Soprano
...sysadmins will begin carrying metronomes and tuners?
"I'm sorry, but your NIC seems to be running a quarter-step sharp."
*hides*
I don't see any dupes. wtf are you talking about?
--C0D3X
I don't see any dupes. wtf are you talking about?
--C0D3X
I don't see any dupes. wtf are you talking about?
--C0D3X
I don't see any dupes. wtf are you talking about?
--C0D3X
I don't see any dupes. wtf are you talking about?
--C0D3X
to give a story a better headline. This one's much more clever. ; )
Emacs: for people who just never know when to
The same article is on the front page for god's sake...
This is the last straw. For 3 years this has been my home page. Today I am finding somewhere else to put it.
3 dupes in 1 day !!
How F^&*%^*KING hard is it for the editors to, *gasp* read the headlines before posting an article. Must take about 10 seconds. And slashdot has people on staff !!
DOCTOR SPENCER: Yes. More apparatus, please, nurse: the E.E.G., the B.P. monitor, and the A.V.V.
NURSE: Yes. Certainly, Doctor.
DOCTOR SPENCER: And, uh, get the machine that goes 'ping'.
It's the third today... and the day ain't over yet.
To getting a story posted on /.
Pick one and send it in again!
To avoid seeing this message again, always shut down your computer properly by selecting Shut Down from the Start Menu.
You can do a ping (ping -A -n host) if your network is short of packets. Turn the volume down first.
3 dupes? Blame the gluttony..
Lets look at ratios. Three dupes from slashdot, thirteen thousand, four hundred and twelve dupes from idiots bitching about slashdot duping. It's hard to bitch about duping AND be taken seriously, when the bitch is a dupe. Atleast the stories are more interesting ...
Robert Anton Wilson
In case this gets Slashdotted...
Mirror
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Writers get in shape by pumping irony.
Since the ear is so sensitive, it will be able to pick out duplicates stories better than Slashdot editors.
Hey Taco! Guess what?
The site is about as professional as a 12 year old making a clan site using frontpage.
I'm off to Newsforge.
I'm sorry, is it April 1st already? I can watch a gui or cli and get an idea of what's going on just fine. Perhaps for some this is a good idea, but for most people it seems pointless to me.
I nominate Homestar Runner as new slashdot editor-in-chief. Admit it, he'd do at least as good of a job. And I don't care if he's animated and not real!
First the Onion, now Slashdot?
Have the collective editors of online content decided to play "lets see who really pays attention" this week?
C'mon. Enough.
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Make it stop!!
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Crudely Drawn Games
on a solaris system do a man on snoop.. or just use docs.sun.com if you don't have a solaris box handy..
I think I may have eaten too much turkey for I am seeing doubles, especially on Slashdot.
I never post, really. but this is insane.
The dupes here are absolutely INSANE. ITS STILL ON THE FRONTPAGE.
THE FRONTPAGE!!! How fscking hard would it be for every editor to be REQUIRED to make a hardcopy of every topic for the last month and reference that? AT LEAST?! Or maybe you cannot be employed by slashdot unless you ACTUALLY READ THE WEBPAGE.
Obviously computers are too complicated for these people. ARlkjalkajsdflkajdlfkajfd
in life.
I remember reading about something similar a few years ago. Basically they took all the different readings from a nuclear reactor control room and extrapolated a tone from them somehow. If any of the readings went outside of nominal the done would sound much different. Because the human ear is sensitive to this, the operators would know something is amiss.
Yawn!
While I did find it an interesting tool, it wasn't very useful at all. After several minutes of listening to tones, you will get tired of it. I found it more useful to vary the amplitude rather than the frequency. I set the amplitude to zero for the normal expected latency. Then when a small problem started, you'd get a slight sound. As it got worse, it got louder. That was much more useful for constant monitoring.z
64 bytes from slashdot.org (66.35.250.150): icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=144 usec
64 bytes from slashdot.org (66.35.250.150): icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=144 usec (DUP!)
64 bytes from slashdot.org (66.35.250.150): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=133 usec
64 bytes from slashdot.org (66.35.250.150): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=133 usec (DUP!)
64 bytes from slashdot.org (66.35.250.150): icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=134 usec
64 bytes from slashdot.org (66.35.250.150): icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=134 usec (DUP!)
PP..SS.. DDoonn''tt ffoorrggeett ttoo ttuurrnn oonn llooccaall eecchhoo!!
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
...this is really, really, sloppy work. I'm bored of this. Can I get the URLs of some other geek-friendly news/info sites? Ones that have a bit more QA?
My Greasemonkey scripts for Digg &
As far as the spelling and grammar errors, I can see why you might personally benefit from some edits. And you start 2 out of 6 sentences with conjunctives.
While I don't guarantee that this post is free from grammar or spelling errors, I will not be complaining about others while making my own.
...cluster of those.
It strunk me as ironic that, in a comment complaining about dupes, the same text is echoed in the title and the body.
http://kered.org
Not everyone has clever software in their brain. I'm still doing a Search for Terrestrial Intelligence. But maybe /. isn't the place for it.
But at least I try and double-check the data.
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
The quark matter/stranglets hitting earth story was covered on May 12, Nov 22, and Nov 25
I'd be real impressed if one of you could effectively argue how a duplicate story has so injustly wronged you so as to demand this sort of wanton, sociopathic outrage. What's more ridiculous than a few duplicate stories is a bunch of duplicate children screaming at mommy for serving the same lunchtime sandwich two days in a row. I'm sure you all work hard and are model citizens in need of fresh news quarter-hourly, but if you don't have anything worthwhile to say, then be a man and shut it.
Patrick
... a duplicate post. And I'm still only on movement 1 of the 24 hour Beethoven symphony extravaganza.
This is getting ridiculous. I checked the calendar to make sure that it wasn't April 1st... Nope, its Thanksgiving. (in the US anyway)
a DoS attack would sound like a bomb, right?
"Captain, we're hit!"
We don't need no steenking flux capacitor.
Sigs are bad for your health.
I hear you.
OBSTETRICIAN: Yes. More apparatus, please, nurse: the E.E.G., the B.P. monitor, and the A.V.V.
NURSE #1: Yes. Certainly, Doctor.
DOCTOR SPENSER: And, uh, get the machine that goes 'ping'.
There is no news! except zsazsa gabor is in a coma.
It seems you Slashdot editors definately smoke too much or have fall into the darkside!
And I don't talk about all this OSNews FUD you relay. Now I bet the next step is to post LinuxGram newsletters to the frontpage.
luser1: PING!
PING... Ping... ping...
luser2: ACK!
ACK... Ack... ack...
luser1: Cool, I can hear echo replies on the network now.
luser2: No, those are just slashdot dupes.
-- The morphemes of your disquisition are ascertainable, but they have eschewed an ambit of transpicuous exposition.
I hate it when this happens:
1. Click refresh
2. See new story
4. Get deja vu feeling
5. Read comments, dupe confirmed
6. Disappointed at wasting time on slashdot
a ^= b; b ^= a; a ^= b;
How about a program that scans a story, and if it is a dupe, it comes out as say a 100hz tone?
I'm listening to the sound of my laptop connecting to slashdot. I hear these three patterns twice in quick succession. Any ideas?
she wasn't before?
As everyone can see there has been quite a bit of dupes on Slashdot stories lately. Perhaps Slashdot needs to have a better system so they prevent dupes. I don't know what's in place now but I wouldn't be surprised if it's a list of submitted stories and it's just approved or not. Perhaps a voting systems among those that can approve stories is required? So once a story is submitted two+ Slashdot admins need to approve the story in order to have it posted. This way stories need more than one set of eyes to make it to the main page.
My 2 cents Canadian which would be worth around one and a half cents US.
Cheers,
Syn Ack.
Let's talk about other things! The ainme series Berserk is awesome, especially the out takes. Who can forget the Whitney Houston song? "I don't really wanna go, very much farther..." And Metroid Prime has to be the best game ever! I am hooked. Seeing as I have the whole of next week off (burning those vacation days before the end of the year), I may actually get my $6 dollars worth out of this Blockbuster rental.
at least the stories come back with more creative headlines! :)
trashes his computer because of the fucking siren sound of a bad connection that constantly adjusts?
waaa-WAAA-waa-WAAA-waaa-WAAA-waaa
Turkey hash.
Great.
If I did this at my job I would be fired or hollered at.
Come on already. I love /. I spend too much time reading it as it is. Why must I have duped stories to wade through?
Moderation and the Friend/Foe system are supposed to make /. easier to read, by filtering out trolls and crapflooders. Perhaps it's time to allow the STORIES to be moderated. I enjoy reading all /. stories, because invaribly, I learn something, or get a new perspective on an issue or idea. Having valuable front page space taken up by something that was already discussed (on the same day!) only annoys the readers and surely affects the advertisers effectiveness.
I am only a reader and poster of rants and one-liners, sure, but I happen to like /. I hate to see it like this.
Perhaps I should have assumed there was a lack of attention to the site, when I sent a fixed flag icon to Taco, and never got a response - email or otherwise. I'd guess that Taco gets many emails asking questions, ranting about features, moderations, trolls, and plenty of spam. My note was purely friendly and included the new icon.
No response. No 'Thanks but no thanks', automated "Yoyre emial iz impotent to us". Nothing
That's it. Have a good Thanksgiving. Turkey ....taking effect... sleeeeepy...so sleeeepy.... must fall to ... floor....
*snore*
It's fair game for meaningful posts 'eh?
So - a joke:
At the Miss World Pageant in Nigeria a girl puts on a skimpy bikini and asks her manager "Does this make me look Fatwa?"
Laugh. It's funny...
Cake or Death? Cake Please!
it strunk you? What tense is that?
Don't eat shrimp candy, just a heads up.
MAybe /. could write a statistical analyzer that tells them if any story is similar to a previous one. Not only would it help weed out Dupes, it would also make it easy for them to refer to past articles on a given subject.
Somebody please write this and send it to them!!!
Then again, if they can't even read what's already on the FRONT PAGE, maybe what they really need is a hefty CLUE-SPANK from the local COMMON SENSE FAIRY.
When I was just a lad, these Slashdot dupe things where a rare occurance. Boy they were a big occasion! Whole families used to go and see them, it was like a day trip. But now, now you see them everywhere! Whereever you look there are Slashdot dupes! You young folk have it easy. You don't need to remember things anymore, because everything you need to know on Slashdot is duplicated without failure every couple of hours!
And who never listened the noises from his trusty 14.4 modem when it was connecting to the internet and could tell that something went wrong just by listening to a slight variation in the "tune" ???
This is a stolen sig.
Over time, won't broadband lose its reputation as more speed than the average person needs? Hard drives are getting bigger, and the amount of media that can be shared over the internet is growing. More and more people are getting into downloading movies and such, so why shouldn't they want bigger pipes to download more quickly?
I suspect this is a test. Users who actually read both copies of each story will be exempted from the normal ad rotation, so that the site can maximize its revenue by showing the same banner over and over.
...
"Wow, an X-10 camera!" (click)
"Wow, an X-10 camera!" (click)
"Looks like Redhat 4 is out already!" (click)
A few hundred repetitions of this, and the money really starts to add up.
---- "If we have to go on with these damned quantum jumps, then I'm sorry that I ever got involved" - Erwin Schrodinger
I think this a repost. There was already a story on this thing yesterday.
reSisTanCe iS fUtILe
First you bitch about the baby, then you bitch 'cause we're not married...sheeesh.
...and now we get to hear that new hot single from P & M... "The Bitch is a Dupe!"
The Dupe is back in Town!
You can call me Dupe, and you can call me bitch, but don'cha call me JJ BitchDupe!
Tonight on CloneWorld....we dupe the bitch!
It's a bitch, being a dupe....like....
That bitch duped me!
Let's dupe the bitch and get the hell out'a here!
Well I'll be bitchduped!!
Can't slashdot have code in it that warns story posters if their stories link to the same article as another recent story linked to or somthing? Come on, 3 dupes in 1 day is way too much.
Sound is just another effective method to provide instant feedback to the user. Use of colour and shapes are also excellent methods.
I think more software should integrate sound, colour, and shapes as informational cues than they do. Less text to read, and yet instant recognition because of the amazing properties of our brains.
The best examples I've seen that use these techniques are games which have lots of options and feedback - like simulated war games, etc... The biggest challenge with those games is coming up with an easy to use and intuitive interface. Sound, colour, and shapes play a crucial role in their design.
Heh, yeah it seems like there was maybe like two articles today that weren't dupes (at least with my current story filters set, which aren't that extensive). Looks like the /. staff all took their retard pills this morning. :)
"I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar."
-Hoban Washburn
Oh pretty lady! Don't with the duplicate stories post!
/Jerry Lewis voice
Where does the school board find them and why do they keep sending them to ME?
Echo... echo... echo...
Sounds like Peep, the Network Auralizer, which I learned about from a Slashdot story from almost a year ago. I haven't looked at this Soundwire project much beyond the links above, but from a quick glance, Peep is a lot further along, a lot more flexible, and wider-reaching.
.... I hear an echo..... really, this is getting guite old :)
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Slashdot Editors suck, period. There is no point in pretending this site matters anymore, though I have honestly found nothing to replace it's former self. Between the trolls, the whores, and the don't give a damn editors, this site is in the shitter big time and shows no signs of pulling out. Wait until the next round of "please support slashdot" begging begins and see how many people are willing to support such a shittily run site. Ads everywhere, the Microsoft trolls now have the power to silence the Linux bigots if they wished, the last ask slashdot proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt. Shadow is such an appropriate word no? That is what this place has become, a shadow of it's former self haunted by tortuosly lame editors, pathetic trolls ( haven't seen a good one in a while), OSS apologists, and MS shills. This place is the suck...peace.
Yeah, OK, I did too. Still ironic. And yes, for those who like to debate the meaning of Irony (would that subject be Ironology? *), I think that this case does fit the definition pretty damned well.
*- Yes, yes, I expect it would be Etymology or Didactics or something. And arguing that point might be... somewhat ironic?
Be careful! New moon tonight.
a flying fuck? This is one of the dumbest fucking things i have ever heard of.
Do they know about the search box on the home page? :)
I, for one, look forward to the advent of ping music. Ludwig van's been rendered on some pretty fancy instuments, none so expensive as an OC-192.
BEST POST EVAR!!!!1
Guess the editors heard the echo from all those dropped packets
I can spot a dupe less than a sentence into the summary - because I actually read the summaries on the main page, and I don't even work here. Is it too much to ask the editors to actually READ THE 10-15 ARTICLE SUMMARIES EACH DAY BEFORE SUBMITTING NEW ARTICLES?
/. editor, but I decided against it when they told me I wasn't allowed to read slashdot anymore."
If this happened with articles that were a month old, or happened once a month or something, it might be exusable, but it's happening at least once a week now, and sometimes multiple times per day. That's a pretty shitty success rate for something so easy as remembering an article that's LESS THAN 5 ARTICLES EARLIER!
"I wanted to be a
paintball
(to the tune of "Hark, the Herald Angles Sing!")
Hark! The herold packets Ring!
Let's debug the stupid thing
Packet Loss and Latency
Assault your being acoustically.
Calmly, softly as the Styx
Lets you know the network's fixed.
Net collisions are no more,
Duplicate posts are such a bore.
Net collisions are no more,
That's all there is, there ain't no more.
Contact Me (got tired of viruses emailing me).
He %cough% STOLE this from the orig of the duped stories!
...when I'm redundant, my karma takes a whack. Seems /. should get (Score:-5, Redundant) for their last few posts.
Hey, I guess we all make mistakes.
GR
come on people, it's not even off the front fricken page yet!!!! For the love of pete, you KNOW they aren;t checking ANYTHING, at ALL, when news gets duped like this, and its not just this, the damned face transplants article was duped too, same scenario, not even off the front page yet. Good God it's just aggravating to think you either pay for the service or look at the stupid ass ads and SOMEONE is gettingpaid, and SOMEONE is sucking pretty hard lately....
"The saddest words of mice and men, are not those which were, but should have been."
The tryptophan is making you hallucinate that there are dupes.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
i don't think we need a story system like kuro5hin, but howabout this: since we already metamoderate the moderators, why not metamoderate the editors? if the problem is that you can identify the editor who posted the story, well, start hiding the editor's identity on the original story so things don't get stupid and personal.
;-P
hide the story submitter's identity as well. i think the editors can handle the blow to their egos, having their little tags removed from the story post. and as someone who has had 2 stories posted here, i can handle not having my name appear on the story i posted, what do i friggin' care?
oh boo hoo hoo! i live to see my name on slashdot! lol
and by the way, in the spirit of slashdot, this post of mine is a dupe, copied verbatim from a previous post just last week... i thought for a second about doing this, but then i don't really want to change things here after all
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
wtf is with all the dupes? how much work does it take to read your own god damn stories before posting something new?
It shouldn't be too hard to add some dupe prevention code to Slash. It seems that you could snag all URLs out of a story and compare them to URLs from the last 60 days or so and if there is a match, present a warning to the editor.
Where is the world (Slashdot) coming to?! Lost all feeling with the job? Got blinded by the money; no real editor enthousiasm any more?
C'mon guys!!
Speaking of dupe detection, I should have checked other comments before I posted. It seems that a nearly identical comment was posted by someone else a few hours earlier.
This one had better links and stuff,
./'d!
a /
like the CCRMA home page.
WWWeeee! We got
Of course I'm biased 'cuz I WORK there and
Chris Chafe is an awesome guy and the project
is super cool...
'skyooz me while I go watch our webserver get
CRUSHED!
Seiously though, the page may be kinda dry, but if you dig you'll find some great stuff. There are links to all the top sound software for Linux and ways to optimize your system for sound and music. Check out
http://www-ccrma.stanford.edu/guides/planetccrm
It's an amazing lab, doing great work and producing some amazing open source sound software, as well as testing and distributing the work of many others in the field. And there isn't a windows box in the entire place!
=mortimer
i thought there just hadnt been any new stories posted in the past 24 hrs.
What I really find amusing is that people will take the time to gripe about dupes. After all, those evil editors are taking our precious bandwidth by posting dupes, so we have to make sure we fight the power and complain about it! :P
:)
:D
Yeah, post complaints! Reload the page a few times! Damn the man!
I just find it amusing that we get an entire story of posts saying "dupe!" - as if one post wasn't enough. Nope, just in case I decide to start reading comments at the very freaking middle of the page, there will always be someone there to inform me that this story is, in fact, a dupe! I can't imagine what I would do without that valuable info! Thank you, all 400 of you, that felt the need to uniquely point out that I could have read the same article some 5 articles prior!
The above is not intended seriously, for the humor impaired.
Another Dupe?
/. account with excellent karma, feel free to take over mine.
I'm really not trying to bait flame, but IMHO Slashdot has been slipping more and more recently. Yup, I realise it's free, but that doesn't mean it doesn't need standards.
Anyway, this will be my last post here. If anyone is looking for an
Name: BoBaBrain
Password: password
Be gentle with it.
I am a Karma Library.
a cellist?
Did he have to switch to figure this out?
-uh? -Do you remember your first Dime bar? -uh? -D-i-m-e b-a-r? -uh?
I was joking with a friend of mine about doing a little app that would generate a soundfile based on the evolution of stocks.
;)
The only problem with that is after the dot com crash I would end up generating 1hz sounds that would blow up all speakers
eeeeEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOooooooooohhh....
Now we also need a flashing border.
Try memigo. It's run by code; no human editors to mess things up. Also, memigo will attach the first (and *only* the first) Slashdot discussion to each link. Most of the time, memigo scoops /. anyway (but the /. discussion will appear there when it gets posted here).
Yea - very original Idea... except that I've been using peep (http://peep.sourceforge.net/intro.html) for a few years now.
invent something to convert ping times to odours? Then with a laggy connection it would actually make sense to say: "My connection stinks."
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You know it makes sense, a little reminder from jointm1k.
wtf?
at a lease?
what do you mean?
Great for troubleshooting - as soon as you fix the broken connection the stream comes back up.
here http://ftp.arl.mil/~mike/ping.html
is that even though this story is obviously a dupe it still gets 135 ( at last count) comments.
Why don't you all just ignore it? Oops I just ignored my own advice!
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And an average ping time of 60 ms which isn't so unusual will result in a 16 Hz tone. Duh.
When I was younger, we used to have a Dragon 32 microcomputer, which loaded up external data through cassette tapes. If I remember correctly, the tape recorder's line out was plugged into a port onto the computer. So to load up a game, you played the tape, which made a whole host of squeakings and gratings. But you could tell, with some practise, when the loading was going well, and when it was going to fail. Kinda like with this article, though in this case, it's with a network.
Ha! Who would've thought that the trolls would finally bring this place down not by posting crap, but by actually submitting duplicate stories? ;)
It's too much like Slashdot. For starters, it IS slashdotted...
I suffer from attention surplus disorder.
Lets look at ratios. Three dupes from slashdot, thirteen thousand, four hundred and twelve dupes from idiots bitching about slashdot duping. It's hard to bitch about duping AND be taken seriously, when the bitch is a dupe. Atleast the stories are more interesting ...
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
/me prods cjsnell to write a patch ;)
Two dupes wile still on the front page??? (Using Sound To Test Internet Connections X Hark! I Hear a Dropped Packet!) and (Face Transplants On The Way X Getting More Face Time)
:)
Soon the dupes will come out before the original stories
...Because you're bitching about duplicates of people bitching about duplicates. Other people got there before you.
Which means that I'm bitching about duplicates of people bitching about duplicates of people bitching about duplicates.
Or something like that.
Not quite; its subnet is down... will be back soon...
Meanwhile, this gets rejected.
I've decided that from now on I'm going to submit every story at least three times. I figure that if something that hasn't been on the front page is in the system 3 times, it has 3 times as much chance of making it onto the front page as a dupe. Since we all know when articles have been posted before, and the editors don't, maybe we should all submit everything at least three times. It's a very crude way of reducing the dupes, but it can't be worse than what we have now.
Of course, then three editors all approve the story at once and we get three consecutive dupes on the front page...
Hopefully if the eds' workload tripled someone would get off their ass and sort this dupe thing out.
The following paper uses sound for a similar purpose: Michael Gilfix and Alva L. Couch, ``Peep (the Network Auralizer): Monitoring Your Network With Sound'' Proceedings of the 2000 Large Installation System Administration Conference (LISA00), New Orleans, LA, USENIX
Info about it can be found here.
Another approach at acoustic data analysis was tried by the late Bernd Streitberg in the 1980s, see for example http://www.aec.at/20jahre/archiv/19901/1990a_035.r tf (warning: German, and Rich Text)
Geesh, this makes it 3 dups in one week on the FRONT page??
:)
Too much turkey and wine?
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Hey, whatever happened to that guy?
I would hate to think that anyone had made your observation before, because then I would have to bitch about...ah, forget it.
dupes.org, it seems more fitting recently. :-)
You don't expect the people who "edit" this site to actually read it do you?
I am not a number! I am a man! And don't you
Not to sound like a twit, but I thought about this idea myself a few years ago..Even discussed it at some length with a friend of mine, and documented it on the back of a Carl's Jr. placemat.
Anyway, the idea went something like this:
You have a daemon that tracks different system conditions.. CPU usage, memory usage, drive fragmentation, DMA contention, network congestion, etc.. You assign each one of these different facets a tone, or even a looping sound sample. A nominal state would be played on-key.. Meaning, if everything in your machine is happy, everything sounds like its in tune, and on-key. Sort of like music. However, if one of those facets begins to diverge in performance, the sound of that particular facet begins to tilt off-key, and sounds terrible. In thoery, you could "hear" a complete overview of your system and know immediately whats wrong the same way a conductor of an orchestra knows which musician is screwing up.
These different facets would be interchangable.. Suppose network congestion doesnt matter to you -- Fine -- exclude it. Add something else if you like, or track only one thing. Not a problem. But here's another interesting idea : Say youre tracking so many things at the same time that you no longer have the ability to discern different sounds from one another. Not a problem -- Just "sample" the stream over time. A "recording" of your systems health would resemble something like the guts of an old Amiga
Anyway, we (my friend and I) decided that while the idea is novel, there really isn't any practical use for it. There are easier ways to visualize what you're looking for in terms of raw data. Besides, funneling system data into sound makes it a little difficult to go _back_
But I still have the placemat.
Cheers,
Bowie J. Poag
Back in the day, when I was connecting to BBS's on an old 14.4kbps modem, I used to be able to troubleshoot line conditions by sound. By playing with some of the initializating strings, one could set the modem speaker to "always on" even after connect. Doing so allowed me to listen for off-sounding noises, which indicated line degradation.
Surprisingly, when I was having a sluggish connection, these noises were, in fact, audible. I wouldn't really think of doing this for a high-speed connecting, that's just odd, but it was useful back then - so who knows!
Peep is a network monitoring tool that represents network information via audio output. Network diagnosis with Peep is made not only based on singular network events, but on whether the network as a whole "sounds normal."
http://www.auralizer.com:8080/peep
This software is quite fun, you can reproduce an
atmosphere of "rain forest", making the differents
sounds (birds, rain, animals....) matching events.
(mail incoming, mail outgoing, http requests...)
Hey! Your post is a dupe, too! :)
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
Check out Listen to your servers and an older one MOOOD::Audio/Visual Monitoring System. Similar concepts, but a more interesting approach.
The better thing, instead of giving you a tone during LESS than 10ms ping reply's, would be for the system to create a tone when there is a ping reply of MORE than 10ms (or some set amount). In other words, you only hear a sound when your connection is suffering, not when it is doing good. Further, it could beep with more frequency (one beep per 10ms above 40ms, for example), the worse the conection... i.e., it would 'interrupt' you (depending on your settings) but that is okay, because what you are sending isn't getting through anyway.
"Artificial Intelligence usually beats real stupidity."
The problem here (as someon else stated) is that when multiple dists
use the same package format it only gives a "false sense of compatibility".
-- Stephen Carpenter
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