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2002 MP3 Winners and Losers

An anonymous reader writes "MP3newswire.net is running their annual losers and winners list in digital media. Each has 8 finalists with the big winner KaZaa for becoming profitable and doubling Napster's peak traffic despite setbacks like getting briefly booted from Download.com. The big loser? No surprise, it's the RIAA who despite several wins in court have failed in their quest to stem file trading. Lawrence Lessig and Dmitry Skylarov also made the winners list, though as the article points out it wasn't exactly a great year for Dmitry."

193 comments

  1. Aren't they a little bit off with this one? by iapetus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I seem to remember hearing something that might reverse the positions of Kazaa and the RIAA. :)

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    1. Re:Aren't they a little bit off with this one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Indeed they may be, but the point is that they can't sue at the same speed new file sharing systems will pop up.
      They can destroy one or two, but not stand the growth of what is without any doubt the most convenient way of distributing media.
      It's not a matter of which file sharing client does what, but of a proven matter of fact: there's no more need for media distribution companies: they exist only to suck money to artists and customers. The Net is the medium and artists want to distribute directly to the public (Just ask some artists what ridiculous percentage they get for their work. You'll be surprised.) The RIAA might get totally crushed in a few years if people agreed to give money where it really belong, eg. paying artists with direct donations and stopping buying CDs.

    2. Re:Aren't they a little bit off with this one? by uncoveror · · Score: 2

      Yes, to lay the smack down on the RIAA, we must stop buying CDs. If artists list their addresses on their websites, donating directly to them will be easy, too.

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  2. Good Going Winners! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those are all well deserved winners in my mind, how about you?

    1. Re:Good Going Winners! by rainman31415 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Those are all well deserved winners in my mind, how about you?

      well, since you asked, yes, i am always a winner. at least that is what my little old mother tells me.

      script kiddies taste good
      rainman

    2. Re:Good Going Winners! by Godwin+O'Hitler · · Score: 1

      Congratulations on giving the right answer; you win again!

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  3. kazaa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    yeah, kazaa is profitable... almost enough money to pay off all the law suits.

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    1. Re:kazaa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      yeah i'm suprised kazaa has been able to hold so much ground for so long. one would have thought they would have gone the way of the napster long ago.

      -g

    2. Re:kazaa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's probably the fact that it's based outside the US that makes it a little hard for the RIAA to simply sit on top of and crush, unlike Napster which was born, bred, and aborted on American soil.

    3. Re:kazaa by harks · · Score: 1

      My thoughts were that music organizations remember what happened when Napster was shut down: Like a hydra, cutting off Napster's head spawned dozens of other file-swapping programs, making their attempts at stopping music swappers even harder than beore. Also, all the money spent on suing Napster really diddnt get them anywhere, as new file swap programs spawn up as quickly as old ones die.

    4. Re:kazaa by ramzak2k · · Score: 2

      1) Started outside US (harder for US Laws to smash)
      2) Has discovered alternative sources of income (some controversial) instead of trying to cajole RIAA for permission to start a premium service that makes users pay.
      3) Does not have server farms distributing illegal MP3s unlike Napster.
      4) More decentralized software.

      feel free to add to the list..

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    5. Re:kazaa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3) Does not have server farms distributing illegal MP3s unlike Napster.

      Since when did Napster distribute MP3s? All they did was provide an index of the MP3s on the network. Napster was a MP3 search engine, just like Google is a www search engine. There is technically nothing different between the two at all.

    6. Re:kazaa by Solosoft · · Score: 1

      Kazaa is a good network, but becoming leeched to death and corrupted. I expect it to fall on it's own soon. Most of the files on there don't work or are improperly named and the sends SUCK SO MUCH ... When I first went on there along time ago ... I remmeber pulling 255k/s off anything ... now your lucky at 10k/s ... I like the gnutella network the most ..it's impossible to shut down ... it might be a litlte slow but it all works

    7. Re:kazaa by timmyf2371 · · Score: 1
      3) Does not have server farms distributing illegal MP3s unlike Napster.

      AFAIK, Napster didn't distribute any illegal MP3s - it's centralised server farms merely handled the many thousands (millions?) of queries and transactions per day. It was the users' computers which were responsible for the illegal MP3s which were transmitted every day.

      Fair enough, Shawn Fanning may have had hundreds of MP3s connected to a high bandwidth connection, but it wasn't specifically Napster.

      Tim

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    8. Re:kazaa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do us all a favor and stop posting. Fag.

  4. what about thompson by Stanley+Feinbaum · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm sure thompson media was a winner as they collect royalties on ANY product/commercial software that uses the mp3 format.

    That's why patents are good, you actually make money from your ideas/discoveries.

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    1. Re:what about thompson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, and then there are other times in which patents just make things stupid. hehe

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    2. Re:what about thompson by GigsVT · · Score: 3, Interesting

      On the plus side, every new game I have installed recently uses Ogg.

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    3. Re:what about thompson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why patents are good, you actually make money from your ideas/discoveries.

      Yes I agree, and this holds true for bank robbery also.

    4. Re:what about thompson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up. That is really funny!!!!

    5. Re:what about thompson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The link in that article (http://www.adobefacts.com/) is now a porn site. Hooray for the internet!

  5. Re:Mp3 itself was a loser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    With that kind of economics, no wonder no one can beat Microsoft.

    Except that maybe Microsoft is using its OS & browser monopoly to gain market share by undercutting the MPEG-4 price?

    A story was on this a few days ago

  6. Forgetting one more... by Radio+Shack+Robot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think they're forgetting about Radio Shack's investment into RIAA. Radio Shack has invested heavily into ASCAP and RIAA over the past few years. They were hoping for some backdoor alliance with music technology and consumer spending. Guess RS should go back to the drawing board and make blueboxes for Steve Jobs. ;-)

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    1. Re:Forgetting one more... by sheldon · · Score: 2

      Huh?

      Radio Shack has no relationships with the music industry. They don't sell music, they don't create music.

      If anything I could see them talking to the MPAA as they've been pushing satellite dishes and other video stuff as of late. Other than that, their main money makers are telephones and computers.

  7. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  8. People really hate RIAA by Jeedo · · Score: 5, Interesting
    People really seem to hate RIAA, and for obvius resons. RIAA's page gets hacked on a regular basis now and here's the most resent example: Pic_1 , Pic_2 , And finally the website as it appeared in HTML at the time.

    Offtopic: Just how bad will it look on RIAA's system administratiors resimay to have worked there?

    1. Re:People really hate RIAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Offtopic: Just how bad will it look on RIAA's system administratiors resimay to have worked there?

      His what? Are you a Slashdot editor or something?

    2. Re:People really hate RIAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Offtopic: Just how bad will it look on RIAA's system administratiors resimay to have worked there?

      About as bad if they spelt "résumé" as you did.

    3. Re:People really hate RIAA by (startx) · · Score: 2

      Ahh, your then I'm not the only one who managed to get a screenshot of that yesterday...

    4. Re:People really hate RIAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Offtopic: Just how bad will it look on RIAA's system administratiors resimay to have worked there?

      My guess? Better than your spelling appears on your resume.

    5. Re:People really hate RIAA by loucura! · · Score: 2

      Offtopic: Just how bad will it look on RIAA's system administratiors resimay to have worked there? Maybe that's the reason they still work there?

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    6. Re:People really hate RIAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      UGH it's so childish to think that hacking the RIAA will accomplish anything. There are better ways to get the message across, and hacking them just makes it easier to say that every filesharer is a thief.

      That being said, I hope the next hack has the goatse guy up there on the front page, with the caption "hillary rosen's little secret". That would be hilarious!!!

  9. +1 Interesting? by NineNine · · Score: 1

    +1 Interesting? This post starts by talking about being able to get to music online, then goes on to talk about retirement funds. It didn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense.

    1. Re:+1 Interesting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      This is an old song and dance. This is ekrout's(/Stewey Griffin's/whoever else's) new account. He uses some karma whoring accounts to mod his trolls up. Compare the posting histories between the three, they're pretty much the same.

    2. Re:+1 Interesting? by sheldon · · Score: 2

      He's a damn good troll, he deserves the +1! :)

  10. Re:What we really should be discussing by de_rus · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    All the mods on crack today?

    What we _should_ be discussing is world peace, starving people, dying nature, that kind of stuff.

    But we're not, we are discussing mp3, so i fail to see how parent is not modded -1 offtopic.

  11. Re:Mp3 itself was a loser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Heh, sounds like something right out of Catch-22. Buying eggs for 7 cents and selling them for 5 cents at a profit.

  12. "file trading" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    I love this euphemism. It isn't trading, it's just plain stealing. You can't trade what isn't yours.

    1. Re:"file trading" by lubricated · · Score: 1

      you can't steal without takeing something away from someone.

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    2. Re:"file trading" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're taking away someone's right to be the sole distributor of the product they own.

    3. Re:"file trading" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Explain how that causes tangible financial harm to the record companies. Copyright violation != stealing, particularly when I would never have bought the entire album to get one song I like.

    4. Re:"file trading" by Blue+Stone · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "you can't steal without takeing something away from someone"

      Actually, it's even less simple than that.
      In English Law at least, in order to be convicted of theft, it has to be demonstrated that a person intended to permanently deprive a person of his lawfully owned goods.
      It would seem that a credible, "I was only borrowing it," defence is reasonable grounds for no action being taken [criminally at least.]

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    5. Re:"file trading" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Pardon me officer, I never would have bought this car so I'm taking it. We're cool, right?"

    6. Re:"file trading" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Bzzt, try again.

      A car is tangible property that cost significant money to manufacture and ship. A perfect digital copy of a song costs the copyright owner no money except a potential lost sale.

    7. Re:"file trading" by lubricated · · Score: 1

      So it's stealing something imaginary.

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    8. Re:"file trading" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just proved my point, a lost sale.

    9. Re:"file trading" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The key word is "potential."

    10. Re:"file trading" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may never have wanted to go out and buy it, but the people you're "sharing" it with on Kazaa might have. In any case, stealing is stealing, whether you wanted it or not.

    11. Re:"file trading" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is this flamebait? God forbid someone doesn't fall in line with the Slashdot herd mentality.

    12. Re:"file trading" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a reason that there are separate laws governing copyright violation vs. various forms of theft. It is because they are not the same thing in the eyes of the law. I am not arguing that copyright violation isn't wrong. Theft and copyright violation are both illegal because they are immoral and cause injury to someone.

    13. Re:"file trading" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OT: This is why the case against Diana's Butler collapsed. He'd told the Queen that he was going to give the (allegedly stolen) items back.

    14. Re:"file trading" by Proc6 · · Score: 2

      You know what else is a "potential lost sale"? Weather. Economy. Terrorism. Trends. Fads. Accidents. The list goes on. Are all of those things illegal? A "potential lost sale" is a meaningless term. If we have the ability to legislate against "potential lost sales", then God and his pesky Tornado's had better watch out. Or maybe when a new music trend comes along, and wipes out Breakdancing, all the Breakdancers can sue the Grungers because of "lost sales". Had those damn new trends not come along, the poor, defensless Disco artists could still be making money. Sue!

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    15. Re:"file trading" by hplasm · · Score: 1

      Says who? The stock market exists on the principle of trading what doesn't belong to you.

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  13. if only the RIAA had some vision.... by smd4985 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    they could be the big winners. as the conglomerate that owns the content that are converted to mp3s, if they just offered a comparably convenient, legitimate solution to p2p filesharing, they would make money and save money (instead of paying all those lawyers).

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    1. Re:if only the RIAA had some vision.... by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem is, they not only own the content, but they also own the "distribution channels" that control what content is pushed into the marketplace.

      The RIAA's MP3 fear is not that they won't be able to make money off of MP3s, but that people other than the existing RIAA members can as well. What's more, it'd be possible for an artist to gain popularity without needing the help of an RIAA label's publicity machine, therefore the artist could make 100% of the money off of the recording, and not have to give the RIAA members any cut of the action.

      That's why the RIAA is trying desperately to block the progress of 'net-based music distribution in any file format by anybody. The fact that some people are surcomming to illegally transfering music that the RIAA owns the copyright on just makes their illogical case easier to argue. What they want is for the music distribution system to stay as it is for as long as possible, because if we ever transition to an effective electronic system of any kind, they will be written out of the story.

    2. Re:if only the RIAA had some vision.... by God!+Awful+2 · · Score: 2, Interesting


      they could be the big winners. as the conglomerate that owns the content that are converted to mp3s, if they just offered a comparably convenient, legitimate solution to p2p filesharing, they would make money and save money (instead of paying all those lawyers).

      And if that doesn't work, they can just give away the music for free and make their money selling services and support. :-)

      Yeah, that's really insightful, Einstein. Have you considered the fact that the Boolean goal of being profitable is not the only goal of your average company. Contrary to popular /. thinking, it also matters how much money you make.

      There are already plenty of convenient, legitimate alternatives to file sharing. I want to sample an album before I buy, I could just preview it at the CD store or go to the band's website and download a couple of sample tracks.

      Let's face it: What you want is a cheaper alternative to CDs. Why would record labels want to give up their highly profitable and legally established right to sell CDs at $17 a pop in order to collect pennies in royalties off some Internet service.

      What you are talking about is just a form of extortion. (Give us a discount and we promise not to rip off your stuff.)

      -a

    3. Re:if only the RIAA had some vision.... by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Let's face it: What you want is a cheaper alternative to CDs. Why would record labels want to give up their highly profitable and legally established right to sell CDs at $17 a pop in order to collect pennies in royalties off some Internet service

      What it'd take is some CD pubisher willing to publish good music for $5 per CD, and making up the difference with volume because they end up selling many more copies at that price. The CD as a format is cheap enough to make that each disc could be profitably sold for $5 each. There's no need for a cheaper distribution media.

      The problem is, once this anti-RIAA label makes its splash with quality albums for $5 each, all of the RIAA labels will flood the market with their products for $5 each. The upstart will have a hard time competing with its only distingishing feature being duplicated by everybody else, and not having the same publicity machine advantage as the RIAA labels. When the anti-RIAA label is wiped out, the price will then methodically go back on a path back to $17. Therefore, anybody with the money to launch an anti-RIAA label has no real incentive to do so.

    4. Re:if only the RIAA had some vision.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      surcomming, verb:

      To come over, see bukkake

    5. Re:if only the RIAA had some vision.... by God!+Awful+2 · · Score: 1


      What it'd take is some CD pubisher willing to publish good music for $5 per CD, and making up the difference with volume because they end up selling many more copies at that price. The CD as a format is cheap enough to make that each disc could be profitably sold for $5 each.

      What I don't understand is why you think it's your perogative to tell the labels how to run their business. I see by your reply that you didn't get my point about how much you profit being just as important as whether you profit. I know this fact is routinely ignored by /. readers, but to be successful you have to do more than break even. You have to make a substantial profit that both compensates for the risk of the venture and for the rate of inflation. $5 a CD is not going to cut it.

      That being said, it actually is possible to buy quality music for $5. You can buy the greatest hits albums of a whole bunch of popular bands for dirt cheap. Look for them in your local supermarket. Sure the selection is a bit limited and you can't get the latest hits, but hey.. you get what you pay for.


      The problem is, once this anti-RIAA label makes its splash with quality albums for $5 each, all of the RIAA labels will flood the market with their products for $5 each. The upstart will have a hard time competing with its only distingishing feature being duplicated by everybody else, and not having the same publicity machine advantage as the RIAA labels. When the anti-RIAA label is wiped out, the price will then methodically go back on a path back to $17. Therefore, anybody with the money to launch an anti-RIAA label has no real incentive to do so.

      Your little fantasy here is dead wrong. Where is you fantasy label going to get its seed capital -- from the coaltion of investors looking for a tax loss? No smart businessman would accept your proposal, and unfortunately for you, smart businessmen are the ones who tend to have the money. One thing that every smart businessman understands is that price wars are no good for anyone involved.

      Assuming for the moment that your theory is true (that this new label would sell say 5x as many CDs in order to compensate for the meagre profit margins), you think it's morally wrong for the other labels to try to compete? The fact that some labels will go bankrupt if the price sinks to $5 proves that $5 is the wrong price. Sure the intimidation factor buoys prices, but this tacit form of collusion is necessary to support a healthy economy.

      It is obvious that no one on /. understands anything about economics. It is time to learn that just because an idea is counter-intuitive doesn't mean it's right.

      -a

    6. Re:if only the RIAA had some vision.... by LostCluster · · Score: 2

      I think I had your whole post's line of reasoning when I said in my post that "anybody with the money to launch an anti-RIAA label has no real incentive to do so."

    7. Re:if only the RIAA had some vision.... by God!+Awful+2 · · Score: 1


      I think I had your whole post's line of reasoning when I said in my post that "anybody with the money to launch an anti-RIAA label has no real incentive to do so."

      The key question is why. Why do you hold a grudge against people who want to make money? Why do you think it would be noble for someone to start a company to sell CDs for almost no profit?

      -a

    8. Re:if only the RIAA had some vision.... by CptCook · · Score: 1
      As far as I personally am concerned, I am put off buying many CD's because I refuse to pay £15 UK for something that I maybe only like a few of the songs off. Having said that, if CD's were to retail more cheaply, I would buy far more of them, because I wouldn't consider it such a waste of money.

      I love music, and especially new music, but I just don't have the cash or the willingness to spend large amounts when I'm not convinced I will get enough enjoyment out of the product.

    9. Re:if only the RIAA had some vision.... by Steve+B · · Score: 2
      The fact that some labels will go bankrupt if the price sinks to $5 proves that $5 is the wrong price.

      Nonsense. By this reasoning, the tulipomania bubble prices of tulips were "right" and the normal pre- and post-bubble prices were "wrong", as evidenced by the fact that lots of people lost their shirts in the transition from the former to the latter.

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    10. Re:if only the RIAA had some vision.... by God!+Awful+2 · · Score: 1


      Nonsense. By this reasoning, the tulipomania bubble prices of tulips were "right" and the normal pre- and post-bubble prices were "wrong", as evidenced by the fact that lots of people lost their shirts in the transition from the former to the latter.

      I think you're trying to oversimplify the matter. Capitalism is regulated by the laws of supply and demand. But every once in a while, the public goes a little crazy and speculation becomes popular (witness recent dot-com bubble). The laws of supply and demand did not apply in the case of the tulip bubble because there was no real demand for tulips (only a perceived demand). However, there is a real demand for music. (There was also the South Sea bubble, which was just an out-and-out scam.)

      -a

  14. one of the finalists by JanusFury · · Score: 0, Funny

    Did anyone notice that CowboyNeal was one of the finalists for big loser? Apparently he still hasn't found that mp3 of "Feel like a woman" he's been looking for.

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    1. Re:one of the finalists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Troll? That's not fair. That comment was damn funny.

    2. Re:one of the finalists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      one of the finalists (Score:0, Funny)

      O, Funny .. that's about right

  15. How it all works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You may notice a large number of posts made on Slashdot concering KaZaA, or similar programs such as Gnutella or FreeNet. Often these will be posted under "Your Rights Online" (YRO), in order to show how the use of KaZaA affects your "rights". You may wonder what the hell programs whose sole purpose is to circumvent copyright laws is doing on a conservative (yes, I mean it) site such as Slashdot.

    Let me explain to you. In the back of their minds, most Slashdot readers ("Slashbots") know that they simply don't want to pay for anything which they can get illegally for free. Most people are exactly the same way. KaZaA et al allows them to get music for free, so they use it. They know that this is copyright violation, which is a bad thing to do. This brings them feelings of guilt which they want to do away with.

    How do they do this? They rationalize it away. It's the copyright laws that are wrong, not them. DCMA needs to be rewritten. The MPAA needs to be destroyed. It's an expression of free speech. And those greedy record companies take all the money anyway. Never mind that with pirate mp3s the artist never sees any money anyway. This way, they are sticking it to "the Man", who exists to make life difficult for 31337 Linux users like themselves. Yes, it is flimsy, and yes, it allows them to take the moral high ground by robbing hard-working artists. Yes, many will say that modern popular music is all horrible anyway, and that their favorite music is the only worthwhile type, but then go on to slam others for being "elitist" in any discussion in which Gnome or KDE is mentioned.

    And what about the United Linux beta? Didn't that violate the GPL by attaching a boilerplate Non Disclosure Agreement? And remember the cries of the Slashbots that United Linux should be sued, destroyed. boycotted, etc.? All because United Linux who was helping out the Linux community mistakenly added a certain clause to their beta, which violated the GPL. As you can see, the "community" is quick to cry foul when the copyrights on their software is violated, even by companies with good intentions. Our copyright good, yours bad.

    It's called "hypocrisy" and if you read Slashdot enough, you'll have to get used to it.

    Now ask yourself exactly why ther is coverage of KaZaA on a site obstensibly devoted to Free Software. KaZaA is proprietary as hell. Isn't proprietary software bad? Isn't all free software superior? Isn't "open sourcing" a piece of software the best way to improve it?

    These are all bleatings of the party lines. Here, we consider proprietary software Evil until Rob Malda tells us otherwise, or it gets ported to Linux. Then it becomes a special class of proprietary software which somehow becomes better than the rest. KaZaA is one example. WordPerfect is another. Somehow, they are able to ignore this seemingly large discrepency by claiming that these companies are "helping" the "community". The only one being helped is VA Research^W Linux^W Software who gets to sell ads to these people after giving them free publicity on the most popular "Linux" site of them all.

    Stop lying to yourselves.

    1. Re:How it all works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Our copyright good, yours bad."

      You do realize, that's the whole point? Or more specifically, your copyright *terms* are bad, and ours are good.

      Tell me with a straight face that the phrase "you may use, modify, or distribute verbatim copies" is exactly the same as "unauthorized duplication prohibited". Well, I guess you won't do that because it cuts the legs out from your anti-slashdot/GPL rant.

      When tens of millions of people violate the GPL on a daily basis because the GPL puts too many limits on what they can do, then maybe you'll have a point.

      Information is easily copied. Copying it is useful to people. Licenses and business models have to take this into account on Day One will require much less in legal fees and campaign donations to survive.

    2. Re:How it all works by PjotrP · · Score: 1
      The only point I would like to comment on is the assumption that any pro-filesharing viewpoint is based on a bad conscience. The whole idea of "rationalising" our own bad behaviour is another way in which the music industry (and many other industries) does not take the public seriously. As a matter of fact that viewpoint speaks of such arrogance and only serves as a reminder of the self proclaimed moral high ground that the music industry has tried to talk itself onto.

      As if talking to a child they discuss this matter with us in a sickening "yeah, deep inside you know you have been wrong, child." way. Calling the other side of the discussion table hypocritical is what has been done since the beginning of the discussion about fair intellectual property and copyrights. And it's also one of the reasons many people don't take the music industry serious any more.

      Let me close of by telling you that there is NO feeling of guilt AT ALL in my mind. I have NOT rationalised it away (magically or otherwise) and NO I do NOT lie awake every night regretting my sins only to make myself feel better by thinking up illogical viewpoints which turn something which I in the core of my soul feel to be wrong. I do NOT believe in copyright laws as they are active in the world at this time and i do NOT feel any remorse in not complying with them. NONE!

      So from now on lets just tell each other how we feel about things instead of telling the other one how he must be feeling.

      that said... FIGHT THE POWER! DOWNLOAD A MP3! hehe

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    3. Re:How it all works by tcc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well I have an account here, I have about 500 posts, so I can call myself an "active user".

      The way you are talking is like if EVERYONE here that has an account is a pirate, that EVERYONE here that is an active member fits the profile you are mentionning.

      Do you know what's the % of browsers that are connecting here that are Internet Explorer? Last time I saw the numbers, it was more than 40%, so I wouldn't call this a "linux-only fanatic website", in fact, I don't really care about the open-source versus proprietary software debate, Both exists, both have shown great advantages and great flaws. I couldn't care less about the MP3/RIAA debate, but see? there are other subjects here that are of interests, and I am sure that the "40%" figure using IE couldn't care less about the few who yells louder about sticking it to the man, like you say.

      What I find irritating is when someone comes in , post something generalizing a userbase and think he knows everything, and the others modding him up are as hypocrite as he is. If you don't like it, you have the right, just go away, don't read it and get frustrated because of what you see, heck, consult someone if it stops you for sleeping!.

      Here's a cluebat to knock yourself with: There are 1000s of users here, if one day the "kill them all" side post more comments on a specific article, it doesn't mean that the "Who cares" side is smaller or approves what is written under that specific article. Without getting into extensive statistical/probability issues, if one day 1 or 10 people are saying how bad the MPAA is, maybe it's not those same 1 or 10 people that are posting that article about how good spiderman was and they should buy the dvd.

      Oh yeah, Taco does... well this guy runs the damn site, if I had a website that would have a lot of hits like his and that I had a minimal powertrip, I'd love to speak out loud like he's doing, almost anyone would. And besides, who tell's you its always his sincere opinion? maybe being provocative makes people post even more and generates discussions, that's what this site is about no? getting a clue now? good. Hope I helped. :)

      --- Original message ---

      These are all bleatings of the party lines. Here, we consider proprietary software Evil until Rob Malda tells us otherwise, or it gets ported to Linux. Then it becomes a special class of proprietary software which somehow becomes better than the rest. KaZaA is one example. WordPerfect is another. Somehow, they are able to ignore this seemingly large discrepency by claiming that these companies are "helping" the "community". The only one being helped is VA Research^W Linux^W Software who gets to sell ads to these people after giving them free publicity on the most popular "Linux" site of them all.

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      --- Metamoderating abusive downgraders since my 300th post.
    4. Re:How it all works by Eythian · · Score: 1

      It's called "hypocrisy" and if you read Slashdot enough, you'll have to get used to it.

      No it isn't. Slashdot is more than one person. Multiple people are perfectly allowed to hold conflicting ideas and interests. I'm interested in coverage of filesharing products, and it seems that the editors are too. Why should you get to have the say of what should be on slashdot, and not me, or perhaps the editors?

      There are problems with the US copyright laws, pointing them out is not such a bad thing, is it? Perhaps violating them is the way people have decided to show that they don't approve of those laws. I have violated music copyright before, but have used to to sample CDs that I have, or plan to, buy. Many of these I wouldn't have bought if I hadn't downloaded them first. I have also not bought CDs because I didn't like them after sampling them. The RIAA thinks this is bad of me, because I have bought more CDs of artists that aren't with their labels (and aren't in music shops), but I'm reluctant to change my habits for them. I also imagine that more of my money is going to artists, as I expect the labels those smaller bands take less of a cut (I don't know this for sure)

    5. Re:How it all works by xigxag · · Score: 2

      Let me explain to you. In the back of their minds, most Slashdot readers ("Slashbots") know that they simply don't want to pay for anything which they can get illegally for free. Most people are exactly the same way. KaZaA et al allows them to get music for free, so they use it

      Okay, now let me explain to you why you are wrong. KaZaA et al. don't allow you to get music for free. Time is money, and it takes time to search for songs, download them, listen to them to make sure you have a good quality mp3, and burn them onto CD. Hence, you pay for your music one way or another, regardless. I predict that most Slashdot users would gladly pay for a way to conveniently get the music they want which is competitive with the cost of their time. The problem is that the music many people want is either not legally available at all (demos, discontinued releases) or available at a prohibitive price (CDs with one good song on them, imports,)

      To be sure, other trends have moved society steadily toward file-sharing. More and more people don't even bother to burn their mp3s -- they simply listen to them directly from their PCs, which have become home media hubs. This change of habit effectively makes buying CDs more expensive because now you must take the time to rip the tracks instead of just getting them off of KaZaA (and remember, time is money.) And copy-protected CDs, which make it impossible to rip the tracks you want into your home media hubs, only drive people further into the hands of file-sharing services.

      Notice that the MPAA doesn't have a fraction of the same problems (yet), because the time (money) it takes to successfully download and burn a bootleg movie is better spent by simply coughing up the 20 bucks for the DVD. This may change as DVD players start to be able to read MPEG4 files.

      Ultimately, the last, best plan for the RIAA will be to come up with some kind of co-branded version of KaZaA, which allows people to trade their music collections freely, but charges them for the transfer. Royalties would be automatically allocated, and the whole file-trading industry could be made legal overnight. In fact, transfers would be encouraged because they would generate more royalties, and consumers would also receive targeted advertising encouraging them to buy music DVDs, posters, concert tickets and the like.

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      There are two kinds of people: 1) those who start arrays with one and 1) those who start them with zero.
    6. Re:How it all works by LostCluster · · Score: 2

      Ultimately, the last, best plan for the RIAA will be to come up with some kind of co-branded version of KaZaA, which allows people to trade their music collections freely, but charges them for the transfer. Royalties would be automatically allocated, and the whole file-trading industry could be made legal overnight. In fact, transfers would be encouraged because they would generate more royalties, and consumers would also receive targeted advertising encouraging them to buy music DVDs, posters, concert tickets and the like.

      That is the RIAA's worst nightmare. See, if such a system existed and was commonly used, why would an artist need to go through the RIAA members to get onto that system. New promotion companies would form, without the need to build an expensive CD pressing plant, to enter new artists onto the system and collect their royalties. The RIAA members would lose the advantage they have now in controling supply to record stores, and have to lose market share on this system to a bunch of upstarts.

      The RIAA would rather the present system to any other system possible.

    7. Re:How it all works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay, now let me explain to you why you are wrong. KaZaA et al. don't allow you to get music for free. Time is money, and it takes time to search for songs, download them, listen to them to make sure you have a good quality mp3, and burn them onto CD. Hence, you pay for your music one way or another, regardless.

      You're like sixteen kinds of stupid. I hope you haven't graduated high school yet.

    8. Re:How it all works by xigxag · · Score: 1

      See, if such a system existed and was commonly used, why would an artist need to go through the RIAA members to get onto that system. New promotion companies would form, without the need to build an expensive CD pressing plant, to enter new artists onto the system and collect their royalties.

      Consider what actual function of the RIAA is. Check out their membership list, if it hasn't been hacked. Dp you really think all those companies own "expensive CD pressiong plants"? The RIAA is a trade association. Its purpose is to promote the interests of the record industry as a whole, not print CDs or promote individual artists. Perhaps you're conflating "RIAA" with "the major labels"? And it's true, in that case, the major labels might find themselves losing sales, but that seems to be happening anyway. Moreover, if some company which engaged in promotion only could be more profitable without pressing CDs, then why wouldn't Sony, BMG et al. simply create a subsidiary that did the same thing, and transfer over their B-list roster? The reason the major labels are so dominant is not merely because they control the distribution chain, but because they have the budgets to do the most marketing, they can give the largest advances to the most promising artists, they can get their records played on the radio. Now I'd say particularly with the latter, you may have a point. The majors have been dying to kill off internet radio because they don't want lesser-label artists to have a means for equal listening exposure.

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      There are two kinds of people: 1) those who start arrays with one and 1) those who start them with zero.
  16. Whew by nightherper · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I hope this is really good news in the long run.
    Today I finally went over to the EFF site and joined up after I had an epiphany of sorts. I realized that now is the time to keep the internet from going the way of marijuana and any other ideas, items or whatnot that have been made illegal. Just to keep someone's pockets lined with green that he's sharing with a few of his buddies which help make and enforce our country's laws. I love my country, but I feel we are not really as free as we should be, and that our freedoms are being traded for profit.

    What is it going to take before the companies realize that the best way to fight their losses is to join in on it. By that I mean that they could release high quality mp3s (or OGG, but hopefully not wmp formats) with commercials tagged at the beginning and end. Sure, most of us here can edit them out, but they will still be heard. My idea probably sucks, but there has to be a solution, a compromise, or we all will end up losers.

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    ...

    1. Re:Whew by DarthWiggle · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The problem is one of incentive. What incentive do the RIAA have to engage in such a compromise? They're not really losing an absurd amount in profits, because millions of people all over the world are still buying good ol' CDs, merchandise, and all the other tools of RIAA's profits. The RIAA isn't suing p2p services to restore lost profits, but to protect the distribution scheme in which they've invested a tremendous amount of money. Your idea that they should "get with the times" is noble, but it doesn't address the fact that the RIAA and its affiliated companies need to get a return on their investment in the business model that millions of folks are still participating in.

      Add to that the fact that the "artists" are an absolute non-factor. Those who provide content to the RIAA's member companies already have a separate contract with RIAA which provides them with royalties, advances, and so forth. While it is true that those royalties depend on album sales, the royalties themselves are not, generally, substantial as compared to the revenue that RIAA (et al) retains from those sales. Further, and again, album sales have not decreased to critical levels. (I'd challenge anybody to prove to me that the decrease in album sales in the last few years is the result of p2p activities and not a foreseeable decrease resulting from bad product and the bad economy.) So, the RIAA is clearly not pursuing these lawsuits to protect the interests of the artists, who only detract from the RIAA's profits in the short term.

      What we really need is a revolution in the music distribution system by aggressive labels not affiliated with the RIAA, perhaps a label that is, like Southwest Airlines, owned entirely by the participating artists. In order to have such a revolutionary change be successful, those artists have to pump out compelling product that will compete with what the RIAA's companies offer. So far, no label or collection of artists have managed to usurp the corporate-art of Britney, Christina, etc.

      I wish the RIAA would just disappear. But they have enough of a market to make their business model tenable. Until that market is disrupted in a real way, RIAA is going to keep doing what they're doing, and they're going to win.

      If you want a change, don't just download MP3s of RIAA artists. Support non-RIAA artists and labels. Find artists who sell their music directly to the consumer. That's how to fight the RIAA.

    2. Re:Whew by nightherper · · Score: 1
      Excellent point.
      I'm thankful for one thing that I have that everyone needs in their area, a radio station that promotes local unsigned artists vehemently. This in co-ordination with a local store named CD-Xchange where you can buy CDs produced in living rooms & studios by new artists.

      I sometimes surf http://theprp.com/ to find artists outside of my area. It's not easy though. Even Gnod didn't help much.

      Corporate-art of Britney, Christina - maybe they'll get old once they finally get the T & A out for everyone to view...

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      ...

    3. Re:Whew by LostCluster · · Score: 2

      The solution that'll work out in the end is one in which music artists will be paid more for going with that system instead of the existing system that the RIAA is working so hard to defend.

      Yep, that's right. Artists won't work for free. You have to find some way to get artists to decide that they have a better chance of getting money from your system, rather than just trying to say that recorded music should be free. You've got to come up with some push distribution system for that free recorded music so that people will start following that artist's carrer, and also be inclined to part with their money in other ways so that the artist still gets paid.

      So, there's your fatal flaw in your "attach ads to the ogg files" scheme... the advertisers are going to have to be willing to pay more than the artist is getting out of the RIAA life. That just isn't gonna happen, especially if you're just gonna drop the file into your Kazaa shared folder and expect other people to move it from there... the fact is nobody's gonna make the first download because they've never heard of the artist you're trying to promote. Nobody listens, the ad has no value.

      It's going to take somebody with quite a lot of money, and willing to take a chance with that money, to get that done.

  17. Re:Aren't they a little bit... (Kazaa can be...) by $$$$$exyGal · · Score: 3, Informative
    Latest Kazaa news: Kazaa can be sued.

    --naked

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  18. Re:Mp3 itself was a loser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    except that's not what he was talking about. mpeg-4 is video, windows media player does video too.

  19. Uh by mstyne · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...though as the article points out it wasn't exactly a great year for Dmitry.

    May I be the first to say: "No shit!"

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    mstyne: real name, no gimmicks
  20. Re:Europeans will soon be gone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So you use your murder rates to compensate?

  21. Re:What we really should be discussing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hi.

    suck my fat cock.

    bye bye now.

  22. RTFA by citizenc · · Score: 3, Insightful
    And the RIAA has had excellent results in the courts. They saw the destruction of Napster by the California legal system. They have left Madster (formerly Aimster) bloodied on the ropes and about to be called for a TKO and this month they won the right to sue Australian-based KaZaa in the US.

    What has this won them so far? To be quite blunt, nothing.
    (Source)
    [Insert witty you-should-have-read-the-article comment here.]
    1. Re:RTFA by iapetus · · Score: 2

      Doh. My bad - and I'm normally very good on reading articles before I post too. :)

      Desperately struggling to defend my point regardless, I'd take issue with their argument, though. Regardless of whether you think the RIAA are wasting their time suing P2P systems into the ground (and I can't help thinking their take on it is somewhat one-sided), there's no way that this is a winner for Kazaa. Just ask the people behind Napster if you don't believe me.

      --
      ++ Say to Elrond "Hello.".
      Elrond says "No.". Elrond gives you some lunch.
  23. KazAa is Unfortunate by monoqlith · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Kazaa, it seems to me, is a fundamentally flawed approach to file sharing. Sure, it's a strong program, well implemented, well maintained - but it seems to violate the very principle which makes file sharing symptomatic of a wider, very important issue in the music/film industry - openness. They have yet, for example, to port their software to Linux or Mac OS X. They don't release their source code. They are profitting on something which qualifies, very obviously, as stealing. How are we to make the principle of file and information sharing and open models legimitate if the main proponent of anti-corporate file sharing is a corporate, profitable entity in and of itself? The only way to make file sharing a legitimate cause is to make it an open cause - to force the middle men out of contention by making a legimate counter-movement and unfurl the banners of open source, open information, open everything. I don't support KazAa for this reason. It's a very efficient(and for them, very profitable) way to steal. The music industry needs incentive to reform, to make something as easy as KazAa available to its demographic. It has yet to do this, and I don't see how KazAa is helping.

    1. Re:KazAa is Unfortunate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes...KazAa sucks. It isn't open source. Not porting to Linux or OSX just makes the whole thing fall into the whole boring Windoze crap. Let's face it...Windoze...the WORST OS ever!!!

  24. Kazaa profitable... that's not worth a celebration by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not sure Kazaa being profitable is that good of a thing for the 'net in general.

    Remember, Kazaa is a Spyware/Adware-filled program which brings along with it a lot of annoying programs that pop-up ads while users are browsing sites other than their own, redirect click-through commissions from sites other than their own, and spy on users when using programs other than their own.

    Kazaa simply has no morals. They're not just stealing from the RIAA, but if you run a website they're stealing from you too. If you haven't noticed, they don't have much respect the laws of the U.S, Canada, Mexico, U.K... or anywhere else that says stealing is wrong.

    Kazaa should just go away... the online world would be better off without them. Them being profitable is a very scary thing...

  25. SkLYarov, not Skylarov! by infolib · · Score: 5, Informative

    Both the linked article and the /. story has it wrong.

    If you doubt me compare this with this.

    I just think the error shouldn't be allowed to propagate.
    Besides, I woke up this morning and found out I had mutated into a spelling nazi. I just hate it when that happens...

    --
    Any sufficiently advanced libertarian utopia is indistinguishable from government.
    1. Re:SkLYarov, not Skylarov! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, yeah, OK, but you have to admit "Skylarov" is much easier to pronounce.

    2. Re:SkLYarov, not Skylarov! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but just because english has only limited number of sounds.

  26. For some fun mp3 and such by as400as2 · · Score: 0

    go to Pajonet.com

    New babes added daily to the hot or not contest!

  27. Emusic not on list? by bluegreenone · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was surprised that emusic.com didn't make their list. As one of the largest online providers of legal, non-DRM MP3s on the net they should have at least garnered an honorable mention. With practically unlimited downloads for $10 or $15 a month, I'd say consumers are the big winners here. I've been using the service for the past month and my music collection, especially jazz, has grown larger than it ever could have at $15 a CD.

    1. Re:Emusic not on list? by stew77 · · Score: 2

      True. I use hardly any P2P applications any more since I found Emusic. Emusic is the only web service I pay for, simply because it's worth it.

    2. Re:Emusic not on list? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having never heard of EMusic, I went to their web page. The first thing I found is that everything is a pop up. Browsing a genre pops up a new window. Picking a genre pops up a new window. I guess they think it's easier for me to juggle all these windows than it is for me to use the back button.

      The other thing that simply baffles me is how their lo-fi samples (about radio AM quality on my computer speakers) actually sound much better than their hi-fi samples. Try Proud Mary by Creedence Clearwater Revival or Broken by Bad Religion. Ack! Well, at least I can download reasonable sounding samples more quickly :)

      It's interesting that EMusic carries well-known groups, but that makes it somewhat difficult to find new groups that I might like. I don't have the time to browse EMusic for hours on end listening to tracks from groups I've never heard of. Perhaps they should look into some kind of streaming audio radio service to give people a sense of what they have to offer along with a playlist. Most of the options made available when browsing their genres are fairly well-known artists, at least to me (e.g. R. Carlos Nakai in New Age, Bad Religion in Alternative). Is this really a useful site for starting bands?

    3. Re:Emusic not on list? by yeschat · · Score: 1

      I agree. I am very happy with emusic. I started using it months back and the selection was not that great for msuic I dig at the time, but all the genres now have a nice amount of artists that I like. To answer why emusic didn't make the list, I would say because it isn't as high profile as the other things on the list. There isn't a ton of disposable pop there so most of the sheepish music fans won't bother with it. I guess it just is not as mainstream as crap like Kazaa. I hope this won't hurt the emusic folks since they don't use DRM and serve mp3s. I would hate to read that they went under because they didn't use a worthless format with DRM.

    4. Re:Emusic not on list? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2

      I would hate to read that they went under because they didn't use a worthless format with DRM.

      If Emusic goes under, I can guarantee* you it won't be because they didn't use DRM. Everyone has an mp3 player -- they're putting them in digital cameras now, not to mention cell phones. Next it'll be toasters. It's getting to be like the addage "every software application expands until it can read email" for hardware: "every appliance expands until it can play 'Who Let the Dogs Out'." With that ubiquity, mp3s have a utility factor the DRM schemes don't.

      It's not like they'd be able to get all the major labels to sign on by agreeing to use DRM. The RIAA would balk at the unlimited downloads. To them it defeats the whole purpose of being able to track exactly who is playing your music every time they do it if you then just give them as much as they fucking want for a reasonable price. Emusic would go down because it had the same crap value as the RIAA-backed ventures.

      *not a guarantee

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      The enemies of Democracy are
    5. Re:Emusic not on list? by bluegreenone · · Score: 1
      It's interesting that EMusic carries well-known groups, but that makes it somewhat difficult to find new groups that I might like. I don't have the time to browse EMusic for hours on end listening to tracks from groups I've never heard of.

      Absolutely. One thing emusic really needs is a radio service, maybe one accessible by non-members but definitely one for members. This is the only practical way for users to learn about unknown artists available on emusic. To be honest this kind of service will become a necessity once new members download all the artists they know. If emusic is going to keep subscribers for longer than the first 3 months, they have to make it easier to find reasons to stay.

  28. Warning: Grammar Rant by benjamindees · · Score: 2
    a move some thought was portend to the end of the service.

    Contrary to the belief of the article's author, "portend" is a verb.

    This just goes to show that you can get an actual, paying job in journalism with little more than a pencil and a thesaurus.

    --
    "I assumed blithely that there were no elves out there in the darkness"
  29. MOD PARENT UP by LostCluster · · Score: 2

    Hey, it was posted by an Anon Cow... but what he says is true.

    The fact is, Kazaa does nothing that the good ole WWW can't do with the use of a "Where are you?" CGI and a network of mirrors. The only point of the program is to obscure the identity of the server you're connecting to, and make servers of a hard to track transient nature so that the RIAA and other copyright owners can't come down and hammer the server owners so easily.

    MP3 and P2P aren't illegal, but the way Napster, Kazaa, and the like have used those technologies for illegal purposes have made people think that there's nothing legal that can be done. That's damaging to the progress of absolutely everything on the 'net.

  30. file-sharing programs like kazaa... by ayumi-chan · · Score: 1

    ...will never have a long life span. too many users = too much of being in a public eye..and this equals being noticed by the riaa. however..trading/ripping groups on irc (such as the ones of efnet for years now)...will, i think, never go away because it seems no one has noticed them enough to mention them. they should be #1 on the list of winners for longevity.
    and my take on this whole riaa vs. mp3 thing, people still buy cds if they want the quality (like if your entering into a car audio competion) because cd's burnt from mp3 files are lower quality. and if cd sales is in fact dropping, then if the musicians were really worth a da** then they would make their money in live performances.

    oh yeah, that rant felt. good.

    misty
    <a href="http://multifacted.ath.cx
    ">http://multifac ted.ath.cx</a>

    --
    "It's a time machine Napoleon, I bought it online."
    1. Re:file-sharing programs like kazaa... by amracks · · Score: 1
      Since Napster and Kazaa eventually go down because they aid in such horrible, criminal activities. Why don't we all make one large windows/samba workgroup. Then we can sit back and watch M$ get sued.

      It's really quite simple

      1) Make workgroup
      2) ???
      3) no more M$

  31. An advice to all the totalitarian countries by iamacat · · Score: 3, Insightful
    It's totally all right to arrest US tourists that broke the laws of your country while living in their own. Have a female visitor from Adobe in Saudi Arabia who doesn't wear a veil at home? Into the jail she goes. It's even Ok to give her job offers and lure her into your country just to arrest her for breaking your laws.

    No we don't want anything like that to happen. But both Adobe and US justice system should apologize for Dmitry's detention and make sure nothing like this will happen again. Otherwise, they will have no recourse when a tourist from Texas is jailed in Europe for keeping a firearm in his house.

    There are other ways to protect local laws. US certainly could deny a visa to Dmitry or make it illegal for anyone to buy or sell his/her software while in the country. Countries can also sign extradiction treaties to enforce common laws. But if I do something which is legal in my country and then come to yours and follow your laws while there, you can kick me out but not arrest me.

    I know someone will say that IP laws are different from making people wear a veil or stay away from a particular religion. But, just imagine you didn't grow up conditioned to the stuff. Then, one day someone tells you a story that you like very much. You are happy and share this story with your friends. Would you expect to end up in jail, even if that someone asked you not to repeat it?

    Also, consider the Church of Scientology. If a country accepts their IP rights and prevents people from distributing scientology texts, isn't it a form of religious control? True, in US you will probably get some cease-and-desist warnings before you get arrested for practicing unlicensed scientology. And you might go to a nicer jail than in totalitarian countries. But now we are talking about methods, not principles.

    Anyway, countries should just agree to only abuse their own citizens and just decide weather to let others in. In the meanwhile, I hope Adobe is carefully considering foreign laws and background of their employees before sending someone on a business trip. I hear preventing someone from backing up programs they bought is illegal in Russia.

    1. Re:An advice to all the totalitarian countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your rant is all well and good, but Sklyarov broke US laws *In the US* by selling his product *in the US*. That is why he was arrested. And the program in question said (C) Dmitri Sklyarov, not (C) ElcomSoft, that's why he was charged initially, and not his company. I don't know how many people will have to make holier-than-thou rants like this before basing one on fact rather than rhetoric.

    2. Re:An advice to all the totalitarian countries by MrWa · · Score: 3, Insightful
      imacat tried to raise his karma by writing: Otherwise, they will have no recourse when a tourist from Texas is jailed in Europe for keeping a firearm in his house.

      Why do people always make it look like Dmitry was arrested for writing the software? It was the distribution in the US - which he and his company were doing willingly - that was the problem, not writing the software.

      What you really happened was closer to: "...a tourist from Texas is jailed in Europre for keeping a firearm in his hotel room in Europe.".

      Now, I agree that the law is no good - but don't obfuscate the issue by misrepresenting what really happened. That does no one any good.

    3. Re:An advice to all the totalitarian countries by cyberformer · · Score: 2
      N0, it's closer to "a tourist from Texas is jailed in Europe for working for a company that broke European law."
      There's a difference. Dmitry was just a (part time) employee, and his job did not involve breaking U.S. law. He wrote the program in Russia, and he personally was not actually selling it


      Companies that break laws should be punished, of course. (I'm assuming an ideal world, with no DMCA.) But ordinary employees who aren't involved in the illegal activity should not.

  32. Sooner than you think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Arabs they let in will kill them all, speeding up the process.

  33. Edonkey by Jacek+Poplawski · · Score: 5, Informative

    I don't understand why there is no single word about Edonkey in articles. Kazaa doesn't work in Linux (at least without Wine) and AFAIK lack few features of Edonkey network.
    Why Edonkey community is ignored in such comparisions? Is it really so small?

    1. Re:Edonkey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Why Edonkey community is ignored in such comparisions? Is it really so small?

      Yes. Kazaa is a HUGE portion of the P2P traffic these days. Really. The fact that Kazaa doesn't work in Linux doesn't mean shit. 90% of the people sharing music files are doing it in Windows.

      Well, that, and it's a stupid name...

    2. Re:Edonkey by Chemical · · Score: 2
      Because Edonkey sucks. Or at least I have had very little luck with it. First things first, it's almost impossible to connect to a server. They are ALWAYS full. Even after you do connect to a server, search results are always minimal. I have a hard time finding anything on Edonkey, even "common" stuff. And with Edonkey's stupid hashing, if you only have part of a file, you have nothing. At least Kazaa and WinMX will let me view a partially downloaded file.

      Back when Napster and OpenNap was big, I had great luck with that, and there are some good Linux clients for it. Also, I've had pretty good luck with Gnutella. Good results, easy to use if you have a good client, quick downloads. Still, nothing can compare to Kazaa. Simply put, Kazaa gets you more files, more quickly.

    3. Re:Edonkey by Jacek+Poplawski · · Score: 2

      First things first, it's almost impossible to connect to a server. They are ALWAYS full.

      This is completly untrue. Probably you have just old server list, or you have no list and tried 3 or 4 random servers.

      Even after you do connect to a server, search results are always minimal. I have a hard time finding anything on Edonkey, even "common" stuff.

      Try jigle then say it again.

      And with Edonkey's stupid hashing, if you only have part of a file, you have nothing.

      Third false sentence. You should at least try to learn program you criticize.

      I recommend using mldonkey, not official edonkey2000 client.

    4. Re:Edonkey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a number of edonkey servers ban mldonkey

      i've been told you can trick them and make your mldonkey look like an emule client

      not sure how it's done.. but seek and ye shall find

  34. Huh? by dcaulton · · Score: 1

    How does one invest in the RIAA? It's not a company, it's a lobbying organization.

  35. "free" mpeg-4 by dcaulton · · Score: 1

    Huh? Who calls mpeg-4 free? Alex St. John has called mpeg-4 a "technology cartel" in CPU. It's a group of companies who got together, wrote a spec, and are *selling* it for a price - mostly to themselves, so they can pass on the cost to you, the consumer of devices. You'd prefer everyone collude on price rather than have multiple parties compete, driving the price down, and making things less expensive for the customer?

  36. You missed the whole point of the case... by MyNameIsFred · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They weren't in trouble because they had a product that was sold in Russia. They were in trouble because they sold the product in the U.S. With a major point being that they used servers owned by an American company. As with the recent court cases concerning whether Calif. courts have jurisdiction, that fact was important. Without the sales in the U.S., they could not have been tried.

  37. I prefer [nameless client] over Kazaa. by crashnbur · · Score: 1
    I still prefer [nameless client] over Kazaa by a long shot. I've been using it since Napster first went under, and it's by far been the best method of acquiring new music ... except, of course, for Usenet (newsgroups), which is the only efficient means of acquiring entire albums.

    p.s.-- The client remains nameless out of superstition. As long as it works and very well at that, I'd rather the enemies of the MP3 not be aware of it. I'm certain that they are, but let's not let them know that it has any preference in the world, mkay?

    1. Re:I prefer [nameless client] over Kazaa. by susano_otter · · Score: 2

      I have to admit I'm curious: On the one hand, if nobody knows about it, nobody's using it to share content. On the other hand, if everybody knows about it, the Content Industry knows about it. How does your client resolve this catch-22?

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      Any sufficiently well-organized community is indistinguishable from Government.

    2. Re:I prefer [nameless client] over Kazaa. by beowulfcluster · · Score: 0

      His client is Sub7. Everyone is sharing with him, but noone knows they're doing it.

  38. All this talk of piracy.. Its not always correct. by nurb432 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    First of all, p2p is used for more then piracy. Its not the "sole intent" as many people like to pretend.

    Yes pirating occurs.. but so does drug running on our roads.. does that make it the 'sole intent'. No of course not.

    Plus you are also not considering that waht you consider piracy only applies to YOUR country. many do not reconize copyrights, so its NOT, I repeat, NOT piracy there...

    Try to spread the truth, not biased lies desgined to skew public opinion.

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  39. Hey RIAA Want a clue? READ THIS! by Newer+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "An acquaintance recently purchased the new Peter Gabriel CD. It played fine on her standard CD players, but would not play on her computer at work where she regularly listens to music to pass the tedium of her job. What did she do? She simply downloaded the files from the Net onto her PC and played that instead. The problem is she was still angry that the CD she bought was intentionally disabled, preventing her from using it as she wished. Do you know what she did next? She returned the CD. A perfect example of a dissatisfied consumer who (had) already committed to the purchase and was completely discouraged by the intentional hampering of the product. Scariest for the music industry was when I heard her angrily mutter these words..."I won't make that mistake again."" Did you hear that, RIAA? Your antics are really pissing off your customers! Oh wait - I forgot...you don't call them customers, do you? You call them thieves and pirates!

    1. Re:Hey RIAA Want a clue? READ THIS! by cheshiremackat · · Score: 1

      no they are called licensees! _CMK

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    2. Re:Hey RIAA Want a clue? READ THIS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like turkey!

  40. MOD PARENT DOWN -1 OFF-TOPIC by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Flamebait

    Beautiful DMCA fearmongering... but this doesn't have anything to do with MP3s.

    If you have a product that's legal in country A, but you market it to the citizens in country B where it's not, to the point that you attend a conference in country B to try to market your product, you are going to have a hard time leaving country B. Dmitry wasn't just a tourist, nor was he baited into this country by American authroities. Oh, BTW... Dmitry was freed, so maybe the courts can lead to the right result once in a while.

    The rant on Scientology is totally out in left field. They publish books and qualify for copyright. Since their book isn't as old as the Bible, not's not in the public domain. Sorry, there's no exemption in the law for texts some people claim to be holy. Are you saying their books should not qualify for the same copyright protection as everybody else?

    Misinformed ranting about a popular topic leads to a +5 around here? Come on mods, say it ain't so...

    1. Re:MOD PARENT DOWN -1 OFF-TOPIC by Hott+of+the+World · · Score: 2

      "Misinformed ranting about a popular topic leads to a +5 around here? Come on mods, say it ain't so..."

      Thats so funny I'm gonna change my sig to it. This is SLASHDOT for crying out loud.

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    2. Re:MOD PARENT DOWN -1 OFF-TOPIC by iamacat · · Score: 2
      Ok, I mixed up some facts in Dmitry's case. The "bait" I was talking about is actually another case - a russian hacker who was lured by FBI into US by a fake job offer.

      About Scientology though - are you REALLY ready to give a person IP rights over God? It would be another (preferable!) turn of events if the copyright holders came out and publically admitted that they made up those texts. But I don't even want to imagine the arrogance it takes to claim ownership of human orgins or supreme beings. Makes me imagine a supreme being with an ear-to-ear grin , raising a flyswatter. Anyone wants to start a religion based on Q continium, or will be get in trouble with Paramount?

  41. Slashdotting by xixax · · Score: 2

    So can someone post the results to the RIAA website? There's no point using Newswire's bandwidth...

    Xix.

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    1. Re:Slashdotting by susano_otter · · Score: 2
      There's no point using Newswire's bandwidth...

      Unless, of course, Newswire is hosting content I'm interested in accessing. Then there's a very good point to using their bandwidth.

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      Any sufficiently well-organized community is indistinguishable from Government.

  42. All your talk of piracy.. Its always incorrect. by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First of all, p2p is used for more then piracy. Its not the "sole intent" as many people like to pretend.
    Those who use P2P for legal uses are fine. Those who use P2P for illegal uses are in trouble, it's a bad sign that there's more in the second category than the first.

    Yes pirating occurs.. but so does drug running on our roads.. does that make it the 'sole intent'. No of course not.
    The highways in the United States are used for legal activities that the government actually wants to occur far more often than drug running occurs. We do make an effort to arrest the drug dealers who use the highways that way. Besides, if the highways were being used by drug runners at the same percentage that illegal files are going over P2P, the government would likely have stopped maintaining the highways anyway.

    Plus you are also not considering that waht you consider piracy only applies to YOUR country. many do not reconize copyrights, so its NOT, I repeat, NOT piracy there...
    Check the list of countries that don't enforce the simple (non-DMCA-like) copyright laws, and you'll notice that they're mostly countries that have problems with human rights as well. Since you're capable of posting on Slashdot and are refering to copyright-lawless lands as "there" rather than "here", I assume you are not living in such a country. If you'd rather their set of laws for its copyright feature, be willing to accept the rest of the package.

    Try to spread the truth, not biased lies desgined to skew public opinion.
    A biased selection of facts designed to skew public opinion is what you practice.

  43. The biggest losers of all... by DarklordJonnyDigital · · Score: 1

    The honest internet-using public, when Audiogalaxy went down. It's been a while, now, since the RIAA sued AudioGalaxy and shut down their service.

    It's not like they were the only ones to go last year. The reason it pissed off a lot of people was that it it was the best popular audio sharing client to date, and everyone loved it. It was so easy to use and it was absolutely brilliant at finding anything, even really obscure stuff.

    Best of all, it did an excellent job of blocking pirate downloads. You tried looking for a single by any popular artist in the past fifty years, odds were you couldn't find it. Probably seemes like an unwanted daft feature of file sharing client, but it made the system that much less illegal. That's why it was such a shame to see it go - the RIAA charged our beloved AudioGalaxy with piracy and gave it the death sentence, all the while letting Kazaa, WinMX and the other 'real criminals' roam free.

    To this date, there are kids on the Kazaa and WinMX still actually costing the recording industry money in CDs some of them actually would be buying originally, and pedophiles sharing entire collections of unsavoury child porn. Yet looking for harmless TV themes today on the service that never hurt anybody, I can't find shit.

  44. Re:Mp3 itself was a loser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If he wasn't talking about MP3s, why did he title his post "Mp3 itself was a loser"?

  45. Wrong figures by RoshanCat · · Score: 1

    Apple has sold only 600,000 units of iPod till now & has a measly 2% of the mp3 player market. If MS had such paltry figures, /. would have already considerd it dead

  46. Why Kazaa? by sean23007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What I want to know is: why would they choose Kazaa as the number one winner?? That makes absolutely no sense. They talk about how great it is that they are profitable, and then in the same breath explain how they got that profitability: "by stuffing the app with adware, spyware, and most notoriously Brilliant Digital's Altnet, a distributed computing program covertly placed on users machines when KaZaa was downloaded." What is the author trying to do, promote such underhanded moneymaking techniques? When other developers and companies read this, they will undoubtedly make a connection. "How can we be more profitable? Well, Kazaa did it with adware, spyware, and lying to its customers." All those things should of course be mentioned, but in the Losers list, not the Winners. The adware, spyware, and covertly placed programs were the reason I never downloaded Kazaa, and never will. If Kazaa is going to be number one, they should be there because of the FastTrack network, which I think is wonderful. My vote would have gone to Kazaa Lite, which should definitely be up there on the list. It connects you to the FastTrack network without spying on you or lying to you.

    Kazaa Lite is the real winner, not Kazaa.

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    Lack of eloquence does not denote lack of intelligence, though they often coincide.
    1. Re:Why Kazaa? by Torqued · · Score: 1

      Maybe they *really* meant to say Kazaa Lite? :)

  47. iPod by sean23007 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Having recently picked up an iPod, I think it's great. However, I do have a few qualms with it. The wonderful device can only be "linked" to one computer at a time, and if you ever accidentally hit "Yes" when you've plugged it into the wrong computer you lose all your songs and have to set them all back up again on your main iPod computer. I have several computers on my home network, and they all have MP3s on them. I wanted to be able to use my iPod to transfer files between each of them, but you cannot take files off the iPod. The Firewire connection is blazingly fast, and I love that, but in my mind its inability to transfer files between computers is a crippling issue. If it had this capability, it would be number one on the RIAA's hitlist, which could become one of its biggest selling points. After all, the MP3 Winners' List said it itself: in this post-Napster world, the number one indicator of the quality of a product is the fervor with which the RIAA wants to kill it.

    And by the way, connecting the iPod to that little FM transmitter they sell at the Apple Store is incredible. You sit down in your car and all the music you want is playing on the radio, without commercials. It's like satellite radio but you choose ALL the music, not just the station. I love my iPod, and I think it should have been placed higher than Kazaa on the list. It is better for the music lover than Kazaa, because Kazaa can pretty much only be used for stealing shoddy versions of the music. The iPod can be used with MP3s ripped from CD, so you can control the quality of your music. I hate downloaded music, because so much of it sucks (qualitywise).

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    1. Re:iPod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jeeez. Are you a retard or something? Go post it on amazon or something!!

    2. Re:iPod by vandel405 · · Score: 1

      You can transfer files with an iPod, in iTunes look at player prefs and make the iPod browsable from the Finder (I would tell you exactly how to do it but i'm not at my mac). Then in the finder you can use the iPod as a hard disk, drag and drop MP3s from there. However, the MP3s copied over by iTunes are in a hidden folder that you can't get to from the finder, but you can from the terminal, so just load up your terminal and go to /Volumes/You iPod/ and enjoy.

  48. Not sure how to take this... by Eric+Damron · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm not sure how to take a list of 'winners' that has KaZaa listed in the number one spot except to say that the 'winners' of 2002 my be the big losers of 2003.

    The entertainment industry has won the right to sue KaZaa in the US. This will most assuredly ensue during the next few years. I'm not sure that under the law KaZaa is guilty of anything. What I am sure of is that the entertainment industry is far more finically capable of engaging in litigation than KaZaa is in defending against that litigation.

    Napster made the mistake of providing a list of shared files to their users. The implication of this is that Napster should have known that most files shared where copyrighted and were being shared without the copyright owners permission. Further, the fact that Napster provided information as to where the user could find specific copyrighted materials meant that Napster was actively aiding in copyright infringements.

    P2P programs like LimeWire that sprang up after Napster's legal problems began didn't inform the user where to find specific files. They only provide some of the IP addresses to computers on the network. It is the individual clients that must provide content lists. In this way LimeWire and other P2P software providers can distance themselves from copyright infringements. P2P networks have legitimate uses just as a hunting rifle has a legitimate use. It is no more the P2P software companies responsibility to ensure that user don't break the law than it is for the manufactures of hunting rifles to ensure that none of their products are used in murders or other crimes. At least that will be one defense that will probably be put to the courts.

    However, I believe that the entertainment industry will crush these companies by driving them into bankruptcy through litigation. It's not right but it's just one more symptom of our societies being taken over by the Corporations.

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  49. Prepare to be swallowed by Windcatcher · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I work in IT. Whenever I talk to other people who work in IT (and for that matter people who don't), most of the time I hear that the music distributors (e.g. RIAA) have outlived their usefulness. Once Hilary Rosen remarked that the IT industry was swallowing their industry.

    It is. We are.

    When you can electronically transfer music and burn it to recordable, red book-compatible media, when you can print cover art on an inkjet or color laser printer, there is absolutely no need for music distribution companies. No need whatsoever. And, more importantly, no need to pay US$21.99 for a music CD anymore.

    The problem that the RIAA has is that people aren't nearly as stupid as they think. Uninformed perhaps, but not stupid. When people are clued in I always see the same response: we should either be able to download music for a small fee, or call our local music store, tell them what we want burned and printed, and head over to pick up our custom CD for all of 5 bucks.

    So yes, the IT industry is going to swallow the record distribution industry, just as the automotive industry swallowed up the need for horses and buggies (and buggy whips).

    1. Re:Prepare to be swallowed by Eric+Damron · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I agree with your point that modern computer science makes it possible to distribute content, musical and otherwise, without the traditional business models. I also agree with your inference that the music industry is gouging the consumer with inflated CD prices.

      However, I believe that the RIAA and its members are incapable of adapting. There are a lot of big egos in almost all organizations and the RIAA and MPAA are no exceptions. Jack Valenti, the president of the Motion Picture Association of America is one of the most arrogant SOBs I have ever seen. At one time he was a close aide to President Lyndon Johnson and it appears that he feels that he is superior to you or me.

      I think it unlikely that he can see past that enormous ego of his to let go of the old school of 'control and dominate' to embrace a new way of doing business. In his narrow minded view of the world the only thing to do is to use his influence and the MPAA's wealth to lobby our government in an effort to pass laws that would extend his pathetic 'control and dominate' philosophy.

      So he bought Senator Fritz Hollings and maybe others. Hollings sponsored that horrid bill the SSSCA that would require that hardware manufactures imbed circuitry in all digital devices so that the entertainment industry could have control over what we would be allowed to copy. Analog output would be made illegal so that we couldn't use low tech devices to re-record entertainment content.

      Hmmm... I seem to have gone off on a rant. Anyway, I agree that technology is making distribution of content easier but don't look for the entertainment industry to embrace change any time soon.

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    2. Re:Prepare to be swallowed by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 1
      Most people don't d/l mp3z and then burn them. They listen to them for a bit, and if they like them enough, they go and buy the CD. You see, MP3 isn't good enough on a halfway decent stereo, even if it sounds OK in the car or on PC speakers. How many tracks do you see on Kazaa in .wav format?

      Of course, audiophiles will argue that CD quality isn't good enough either, but that's straying OT.

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    3. Re:Prepare to be swallowed by terraformer · · Score: 1

      Actually, there is apparently still very much of a market for whips...

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    4. Re:Prepare to be swallowed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They listen to them for a bit, and if they like them enough, they go and buy the CD.

      Bullshit. I don't know a single person that does this. Most just listen to them on their computer, and some burn compilation cds to listen to in the car.

    5. Re:Prepare to be swallowed by znaps · · Score: 1

      192kbps mp3 sounds fine on any average stereo.

      Most people don't notice or care about the difference enough to go and buy a CD that contains only two songs that they like simply because it sounds a bit better.

    6. Re:Prepare to be swallowed by SulphurFury · · Score: 1

      Most people I know buy CDs of artists that are worth buying a whole CD for.. Stuff like the Beatles albums for example, are worthy of listening to in the best sound quality possible, in the exact way the artist intended which ended up influencing more musicians.
      For example the latest George Harrison album "Brainwashed" that came out, I had the mp3's and listened to the album. But when I bought the deluxe package version of "Brainwashed", it was as if Harrison himself prepared the package for me.. goodies like a guitar pick, poster and DVD came with it. Plus the goth-black packaging gives an eerieness to the proceedings.
      The sound quality was very noticeably poor on the 160kbps MP3s I had gotten in advance, making the CD a better experience all around.

      You get what you pay for.

      Also. Can MP3s be worth anything? The more people stop buying CDs, the more my collection is going to be worth and that's fine with me.

      Original read/write audio cylinders from the late 1880s/1890s and prerecorded cylinders from that time period (of some of the very first audio recordings) are worth a lot of money.

  50. There is software for mult. computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Check Versiontracker for software to take files off of an ipod. And click the preferences in itunes so it won't overwrite the ipod. It's not that hard...

    1. Re:There is software for mult. computers by sean23007 · · Score: 2

      None of that crappy hackwork is any good.

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  51. but...but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's MPEG-1 Layer 3, and 1+3 is 4!

  52. No... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If we had drug runners over our highways in those percentages, then drugs would already be legalized and taxed. (not even heavily taxed, with that many drugs!) ...And screw the highway system, we'd have money to get back our SPACE PROGRAM! AND FREE DRUGS ON MARS!

  53. MP3newswire.net's credibility by ebob · · Score: 1
    That doesn't mean that the RIAA is going to try any less to take control of online music - he did equivacate file sharing with shoplifting - it just means they have accepted the fact they will need to adjust their strategy.

    At least /.'s writers usually have a clue as to the meanings of the words they misspell.

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  54. Re:All this talk of piracy.. Its not always correc by .com+b4+.storm · · Score: 1

    Try to spread the truth, not biased lies desgined to skew public opinion.

    You're new to slashdot, aren't you? :)

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  55. Agreed. =) by citizenc · · Score: 2

    Kazaa was doing pretty good until very recently -- my guess was that this list was compiled before the whole "US has global jurisdiction" thing, which sets a very dangerous legal prescedent. First Yahoo, now this?

    If there is going to be a global community, there have to be global rules -- rules which are mutually agreed upon.

    1. Re:Agreed. =) by Planesdragon · · Score: 2

      US has global jurisdiction" thing, which sets a very dangerous legal prescedent.

      How is it precedent-setting? KaZaa knowingly encourages distribution of their software in America, has a major distribution point being an American website, and targets American-made media for distribution.

  56. Plastic Kills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Plastic kills the environment, so if there is a way to reduce plastic production, I'll give it a look.
    Downloading mp3s to my hard disk instead of buying a compact disk reduces plastic production. I feel more guilt about destroying the planet than I do about copying some data. WAKE UP. There are more important things to do in this world right now than worry about the profits of a bunch of suits.

    1. Re:Plastic Kills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moron. What a stupid reason. By not buying compact disks you are NOT reducing plastic production. Sony Music does not monitor your movements and plan their production accordingly. Oh, you meant to say "Well, if everybody did it, it would make a difference"? Well, news flash, hot shot. Everybody isn't doing it, or going to do it, so your point is completely invalid.

  57. OT: Moderation? by citizenc · · Score: 1

    A user has given a Insightful (+1) moderation to your comment, RTFA, attached to 2002 MP3 Winners and Losers. Your comment is currently scored (3).

    *Raises eyebrow*

    I just copied and pasted text from the article.. nothing insightful there..

  58. New Edonkey Slogan? by susano_otter · · Score: 2

    "Edonkey: sounds like ass, works like ass."

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  59. A loophole has been closed, get over it. by Proc6 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I just can't help but think about the poor individuals in the other 98% of the industries in the world that are bound to the laws of physics when it comes to earning a profit.

    I am sorry, I have no sympathy for the labels, or even the artists really (sorry) when it comes to losing their CD profits.

    Let's not forget, not so very long ago, there really wasn't a way to record music. So, music, like every other form of "service" us humans provide, was a 1:1 ratio. If a show charged a fee to see, you paid it. If you wanted to see it again, you paid again. Much like 2 donkeys for 2 dollars, 4 donkeys for 4. Music was an artform, experienced first hand.

    Then one day, technology advanced and shook things up. For a brief period a loophole was opened for a very small segment of individuals. It was discovered that an "artist" could "perform" only once, yet make virtually limitless, 100% accurate copies of their performance and sell them to everyone on the planet for pennies of production costs. Amazing! Sure, doctors, architects, automobile makers, any just about anyone else on the face of the earth that builds something or does something for money will never be able to (barring huge advancements in quantum replicators) do this. But who cares! Musicians could!

    [this part is my opinion, disregard if you disagree] Music turned ugly. It went from meaningful art created one off, by the artists themselves, straight to celebrity fame, gaudy fortune, ass and tit shaking, commercial trash. Are there exceptions to this rule? For the love of God, YES! But, come on... Britney Spears?

    Anyway. For a few decades music became a massively profitable industry. Handed to the labels by techological advancements. But now. The very same technology that gave musicians and their "masters" an unfair advantage has advanced once again and taken that cash cow away.

    And I can't help but say... boo... fucking... hoo.

    Welcome back to the rest of the world, where hard working people turn one kind of material into another, or provide a service for money, and are limited by the constraints of how much time is in a day, and how much the original materials cost. It may have been fun while it lasted, but I am not going to cry that you're losing it.

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    1. Re:A loophole has been closed, get over it. by CptCook · · Score: 1
      [this part is my opinion, disregard if you disagree] Music turned ugly. It went from meaningful art created one off, by the artists themselves, straight to celebrity fame, gaudy fortune, ass and tit shaking, commercial trash. Are there exceptions to this rule? For the love of God, YES! But, come on... Britney Spears?

      I have to agree with this. The overwhelming majority of music in the UK charts nowadays is processed, managed crap performed by people who seem to have no idea other than that they want to be famous. Which is a shame, because there must be so many talented people out there, struggling to find deals but no one will consider them because they seem hell bent on subjecting us to countless bands formed from TV shows!

  60. Xolox? Ummm by Anenga · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't understand why they added Xolox. Nobody uses Xolox anymore. It's infested with spyware and it's GUI sucks. It is also very behind in Gnutella technologies (I think it only recently added Ultrapeers, yikes). I don't think MP3Newswire is too informed in P2P because they should of at least listed Shareaza which has been hailed as the leader of the "new Gnutella" (Shareaza's Gnutella2, noteably). Frankly, Shareaza is currently the most advanced and best looking P2P client out there.

    Oh well, maybe next year.

  61. 2002 MP3 Losers Page Advertising by DrHoneydew · · Score: 1

    I wouldn't want to be an advertiser on the Losers page. It looks like their product is one of the items on the MP3 Loser's list!

  62. Good idea! by trezor · · Score: 1

    In FIght Club theres a line which sets me a little off guard, giving me this "wow"-sensation:

    • Tyler Durden: If you had to fight a dead celebrety, who'd you fight?
    • Narrater (Edward Norton): Ghandi

    I kinda had the same sensation with this suggestion. Good one!

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  63. RIAA == losers? Hardly! by schnitzi · · Score: 1

    Their choice of the RIAA as #1 is absolutely moronic!

    Repeat after me. The RIAA's goal is to MAKE MONEY. Whether they win court cases, or lose court cases, or stop downloads, or increase downloads, is totally irrelevant.

    They said it themselves in the article. Their sales are UP this year.

    Do the words "laughing all the way to the bank" come to mind?

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    I object to that article, and to the next reply.
  64. Re:iPod - try Nex IIe by SailorBob · · Score: 2
    but in my mind its inability to transfer files between computers is a crippling issue.

    If you want an mp3 player that can also be used to transfer files, try the Nex IIe. There was a review and an slashback article about it on /. awhile back. Takes up to the largest compact flash or IBM microdrive you can find (about 1 GB currently). You just dump raw mp3s on to it and whatever other files you want and off you go.

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    Woopty Doo Basil, what does it all mean?!

  65. Musicless March - show RIAA who's boss by louzerr · · Score: 1

    At #1 is RIAA - an acronym that's become all-too familiar. When I was young, and my buddies would all buy different Albums & trade cassette tapes of them, where was RIAA then? When we'd record the radio, and then cut out the commercials, where was RIAA? Was our group so unique? Was the recording industry of the time so much wiser then that they realized our money was limited, and we could only buy so many albums?

    Here's my suggestion - let's boycott the music for one month. How about "Musicless March"? ("Fxck'em February" has a nice ring, too, but may not get the right attention). RIAA assumes a direct correlation between downloaded music and their lack of sales. Let's show them the correlation between pissing off their customers and losing their profits.

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  66. The truth about music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    RIAA does not want to acknowledge the the PC has become a feature in the home, and that it is capable of storing and playing music, and is very suitable for delivery of music. Same goes for MPAA.

    Their actions are tantamount to telling us that it is unlawful to enjoy your music on your computer. (Why else are they enrypting cd's and making it illegal to crack the encryption)

    The RIAA should realise that it should not wish away the problem of PC's being used to enjoy music. The have to realise that PC's have lowered the value of CD's. Its simple economics. Substitute goods causing a reduction in the demand for CD's.

    It is not unlawful to get people out of business. Nobody still uses a typewriter these days. If they think they are immune to changes in teh market place, then 10yrs from now the music industry will be a case study in business lectures about how not to resist inevitable change and 'go with the flow'.

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