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TheSurfer writes "Today, Gentoo announced the creation of Gentoo Games, 'a gaming technology company created to deliver innovative Linux-based game technologies to the public'. They also released a GameCD with the full version of America's Army. For more information, see the threads in the forums here and here."
Their logo looks very like the Nintendo Gamecube logo.
Wouldn't a company of this kind need a lot of money to operate?
How do they expect to pay for themselves?
Are they going to produce a super optimized distro for games?
Are they planning to aggressively port popular games to Linux?
Are they planning to develop games from scratch?
From the announcement, it suggests that they're doing 1 and/or 2...
There's just nothing as good as the BSD game collection :)
*goes for another round of mille bornes*
gentoogames.com = just an image.
Whats the point of a link to it?
but I cann't seem to find one! A couple forum threads about the game doesn't really count.
Anyone got more information about the company?
Its nice that Gentoo includes America's Army, but the story should mention that Ryan Gordon(icculus.org) is the one that did the port.
For some reason I just don't think this is going to make that much of a difference to your Linux user/Gamer. Unless they can get the game developers to actually develop Linux ports at the same time they are doing their Windows design then we will just continue to see a few old games ported over. By old I mean like 1 year of course.
I think this is a great idea, and I love Gentoo, but I know I will be keeping a Windows partition around to dual boot until more companies like id (read Valve!!!) release for both Windows and Linux at the same time.
Daniel Robbins and the rest of the Gentoo crew have done an amazing job with Gentoo as a Linux distro, and even though it's a relative new-comer, it has exploded onto the scene as a force to be reckoned with. I really believe that they will be as huge a success in the game industry as they were in the Linux distro field, they are competent coders and they know what the average Linux user wants, because they ARE your average Linux users. Also, I've had a few chats with drobbins in #gentoo on freenode. When was the last time you saw the head of your favorite distro kick it wif da homies on #IRC. He was even providing basic support for total newbs. Maybe that's why there's so many of us Gentoo zelouts who just won't shut up about it :)
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.
It's not like their server has to work hard to send out that page...
Anyone else find that America's Army game kind of sick? Sort of glorifies the horrors of war by caricaturing it through a cartoon-like portrayal. Plus, it makes it look like war is a cakewalk for a teenage audience. Reality is people dying, not losing 20 points off your health.
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I really hope this is better than it looks.
20 or so posts in a forum plus a logo doesn't form the foundations of a great company. Especially when half the posts are discussing installation and politics of America's Army.
Yeah, we have America's Army... but surely the fledging company was helped by the Army's obvious goal of getting the game out to as many people as possible...
That being said, I don't know how many of us geeks they want to recruit onto the front lines... (pizza boxes under the bunk beds, wars would have to be scheduled between 3pm and 2am, Simpson's battle crys, etc.)
Anyway, I hope this is more than it now appears.
Davak
Gentoo is great, but I don't particularly care to 'emerge ut2006' and wait 6 hours while it compiles. ;)
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How does this work? Ideally it would the CD would have the following: - A micro kernal with just the services needed by games (LAN, video, sound, disk management, not much else). This would install itself on your HD for future use, auto-update if the one on the CD is newer. - Smart driver finder (searches the disto currently installed on your machine for the necessary drivers) - Game files (obviously) This would have a number of advantages, from console like loading (stick the CD in, turn PC on, quick boot and run). To optimizing the operating environment (no unnecesary services running, should be easier to agree to standards for a micro-kernal like this). Could also be run in UML so you don't have to reboot. Hopefully this would give games developers at common target to aim at whilst also making the games easy to install and run (would only really use HD space if needed, shouldn't be a problem at all) Quick, I'd better patent all that ;o)
I caught them just as they were grinding to a halt and the meat of the threads was "Dude, that TOTALLY rules!"
Fortune is a really boring game. I hope they spice it up with some new cookie files!
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That depends; is it an attactive mare?
Trolling is a art,
IMO, there's nothing wrong with serving in the military or, as the military, recruiting. OTOH, it's despicable to lie and mischaracterize the realities of the military to the people you're trying to get to join. This has been done for years ("Yes! You'll be getting a primo job in Germany with top-of-the-line tech training and your own quarters!") and this is just another aspect of that.
I really don't want my taxes supporting the people who want to trick people into joining the armed forces, but my tax dollars did pay for America's Army.
Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
They either can:
1) port games to Linux; very positive move, since gaming is important for the home PC market.
2) maintain the very best Linux distribution aimed for games; not very important by itself, since the games will be still missing.
3) create an intergrated development solution ala DirectX with 3d, 2d, sound, controllers, etc support. Maybe unify current solutions under a common and consistent API ?
4) provide the tools for writing games ?
From the above three, number 3) seems to me the most innovative solution. Linux and Unices have OpenGL, but are there standards for sound, input, multimedia etc ? All these are needed for games.
Number 4) is also a good option that would attract many developers, since it would be quite a money saver.
you can download the ISO using this bittorrent link: http://gentoo.twobit.net/misc/aa-20030513.iso.torr ent
how about concentrating on getting the 1.4 release out? Wasn't it originally announced for release last August?
For the US forces, at least, it was damn near a video game. So it's not really trickery, then.
Whether or not there's something wrong with making war into a video game for one side is OK just depends on which side you're rooting for.
As opposed to the way it is today where todays youth enjoys the fun and games of killing demons from hell on mars or killing Germans in World War II ect.... Kids are already killing people in there games; this is an ATTEMPT to show a slightly more realistic view of this and do a little recruiting while at it. What's wrong with that?
I don't know about "cunning ploy." They are pretty open about the purpose of the game, especially as they have to justify the cost of its creation to the taypaying public. Recruiting is needed to run a volunteer army the size of America's; this is not any markedly different from TV or mailing campaigns.
I suspect the government (and parents who buy their kids the game) see it this way: if kids are going to play violent games anyway, why not get the kid a game where violence is at least being carried out for a "positive" goal, as opposed to games like Postal or Grand Theft Auto which depict criminal acts, or games like Quake and Unreal where the violence is mindless and the only point. There are other objectives in America's Army, and, while there may be some discrepencies, it is not a totally inaccurate and unrealistic idea of military service [i.e. you can't take 40 hits before dying]. Most Americans respect members of the armed forces, whether you agree with it or not, and see it as having a positive influence. Any good parent would have a serious talk with their child about the armed forces before their kid decides to march into the local recruiting office based on a video game.
I suspect most of those who play are quite immune from the propagandizing effect anyway, and simply enjoy the game.
Care to be asshole buddies?
because the government censors everything except war.
I know you are psychotic, but please make an effort.
Which, of course, is:
Yrma Eht Nioj!
All that game needs is belly dancers to sing it ad nauseum.
with an attitude like that people wont want to use redhat.
I know you are psychotic, but please make an effort.
Gentoo what??
Gesundheit.
Yes, take a look at the website, you can download it now. www.gentoo.org
I believe they already have one for the demo. You can find it on Gentoo FTP mirrors.
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If you read the download release, it works for nVidia and ATi graphic cards...enjoy!
"Some things have to be believed to be seen." - Ralph Hodgson
Really, Debian and Gentoo are quite different. They both have a similar mechanism for downloading and installing software, but there is a huge difference.
.deb files which are pre-built packages very similar to RPMs. Gentoo uses .emerge which is the source code, nothing pre-built.
Debian uses
When you "apt-get install package" in Debian it just downloads and installs the package. In Gentoo when you "emerge package" it gets the source, compiles and then installs. This takes a considerable more amount of time, but the package in optimized for your system, not a general build for everything (like Debian packages)
"Some things have to be believed to be seen." - Ralph Hodgson
I am not interested in the American Army game but I can't wait for Gentoo Games to release French Army game.
;) )
You won't kill anyone in this game but it will be fun to bothering USians!
(hey I am not a troll, I am french
While I think this is cool for Linux & all, and technically quite interesting, if people had meant individual games & apps to not interoperate and boot up the whole machine from scratch, why did people bother writing operating systems in the first place?
They are missing the fundamental concept of operating systems.
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Isn't your whole point about a micro kernel and few services running defeated by running it in user mode linux where the host is a larger kernel with more services?
Just create a mod for q3a that turns quake console into a shell terminal, make a boot CD with it, and I'll use nothing else. :P
Please, I *need* this mod!
See if you can read every fortune in ten seconds! watch -n 10 fortune
Or get the offensive fortune package:
watch -n 10 fortune-o
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- Doug McKenzie
Reboot your machine, your computer loads the OS off your CD so the programmer has a standard platform to work from. Something Windows doesn't offer. The HD is only used for game save and updates.
You say things that offend me and I can deal with it. Can you?
That's why these CS-like games sucks! Having to wait the entire round to respawn is unacceptable. Me and my friends started play CS, but after a month we came back to Quake3Arena.
The main diference is that in CS your life is very important (strategy). In Quake you life is not important, only killing is important (arcade).
In Quake, even your own death is fun.
Someone really needs to grab linux by the balls and sort out the API problems.
There are fuck-knows how mank DVD/MP3/MPEG players out there, all with there own lib's and API's. (mplayer and xine for starters)
Can't they can make a common API/framework?
Even command line tools are inconsistant, please can someone define some standard flags for mp3towav converters, unzip,bzip,tgz etc....
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
First they said that GNU/Linux with its GPL is like a virus attaching to every piece and bit of foreign code. Now... they (hopefully;) will say that Linux is just a viral-like OS attached to newest, bestest gamez.
As a strategy it's not new. MS executed it perfectly.
Will it work for us?
.bottom line, don't just underwrite it...
IANAL, but I don't see anything in the GPL requiring credits. Regardless of that, the LiveCD has been entirely reworked for 1.4rc3 and newer. 1.4 final is delayed because it's not ready. I could build a few stages and throw them up as 1.4 right now if that's what people want - if people want a complete, finished product, with a full set of stages for all CPU types and a bug-free LiveCD, they need to wait.
It's formed around Gentoo Linux, that's the reason
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and try an 'emerge -b ut2006'
duh.
Good story on America's Army in the Wall Street Journal today.
Check it out
Do the Evolution
IF you are truely a former dev and there are others, you should step up formerly.
IF this is truely the case, which I doubt it is from reading GWN which does keep track of the developers, then it needs to be brough out to the open. You need to grow some balls and tell us who you are so your claims can be verified. What are you scared of?
I am/am not a current Gentoo user. I have Gentoo on my home server alone now, but I do find it a quite nice distribution. One that should probably be targetted more at developers than end users. I abandon Gentoo as my desktop due to some instability and inconsistency issues.
Back to the issue, bring your complaints to the mainstream geek news sources and bring him out in the open about it. Don't make irrational claims from behind a mask.
But the main reason I love gentoo is a good, working BSD style ports system. I've uninstalled Windows on my desktop, which was the last place I had it running... thanks Gentoo, and everyone in the Linux community. I will only buy games that have a native Linux port, and since UT2003 and NWN will last me a long time if nobody ports, I'll keep my money, and donate some to Gentoo and others who are advancing the cause of Freedom.
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I just know this Blackadder quote would come in handy some day
Genius doesn't work on an assembly line basis. You can't simply say, "Today I will be brilliant."
So please tell me I"m wrong and I can use the CD to install AA onto my computer or some other way to install AA w/o gentoo.
On a related note, I like the Idea of a distro that runs off CD that includes nvidia and ATI drivers so I can test 3D things on computers I"m workng on w/o the hard drive.
I do security
Yes, I know who you are. Note that I didn't comment on any of the personal stuff, only the factually incorrect parts that apply to Gentoo as a whole in a technical sense.
The work done was all copyright Gentoo Technologies. That means that copyright ownership was transferred to Gentoo. Regardless of what's ethical and what isn't, it's all legal. I'm not commenting on any of the more personal aspects. We can talk about that privately if you want to email me. It doesn't belong here.
So, you had a very large hand in shaping Gentoo, eh? Looking at the gentoo hall of fame ("daniels" way of giving people credit - apparently not enough for you), there might be a few candidates that qualify as 'had a very large hand in shaping gentoo'.
.org page by putting a banner), Gerk was ppc team lead for a while and did a nice job (most of us still use his software daily), achim left a long time ago (even before gentoo was what it's now (bigger ;-) ), blizzy left due to a lack of time...
As for the ppc port (I wonder how this ever got on daniels cool list (the way you call it), as he doesn't even own a ppc machine) I can tell you that -since I'm the co-founder and the current team lead- the ppc 1.4 release has been ready for a while and there's nothing I or anyone on the ppc team wrote that is now 'something that drobbins' accomplished.
Bevin wrote sandbox (daniel even gave uwyn credits for that job on the
People work(ed) hard on making gentoo what it right now, please stop making them rediculous by posting this bull shit about drobbins.
Totally. In doom some stupid scientist opened up an interdimension doorway to hell and hell and everyone there decides to move in -- the badguys are obviously purely evil by definition. Never really got into duke3d, while I played the shareware a few times , I never got the enemies... I remember saying "that guy looks like Panthro, should we really be fighting the Thundercats? Maybe its all a big misunderstanding.." ;-]
,regarding games like doom and real world violence, I'd like to
Anyway, some stupid " I type idkfa every 10 seconds" lamer who joined up would probably be for a rude awakening and get dishonorably discharged. Or at least I hope so...
Actually
see a study were they check to see if the guys who only play 3d-shooters
in god-mode are more prone to violence, vs guys who beat the level only by struggling through and dieing 20 times before. Not that, I'm morally opposed to
to cheating at videogames, it's just, that in general, I figure it's better to go-ahead and masturbate rather than turning everythingelse into masturbation.
I haven't tried the game yet, but I hope it's "more indoctrination == lamer filter", more than " indoctrination == brainwashing"
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Recently, I gained a first-hand understanding of the frustration of having to explain to a child that the game that was just bought for the child won't run on the child's computer due to some software incompatibility.
Before now, I had always assumed that by paying attention to logos on boxes, etc. it would be possible to avoid such problems. However, a child doesn't care about things like logos when shopping for games. Instead, a child cares about things like pictures on boxes. Once a child makes up his/her mind in a store that he/she wants a particular game, as a parent it's difficult to argue against a chosen game on the basis of lack of logos. Instead, it is sometimes easiest to just take a chance and buy the game (even if un-logoed) and hope that it will work.
Of course, a parent quickly learns that taking a chance often ends in the game-won't-work frustration that I mentioned earlier. What's a parent to do?
Enter consoles.
Consoles are great at solving this problem. During the shopping trip, a parent can simply say to his child "you can have any game as long as it's from the PlayStation section." When the child picks a game from the PlayStation section, the parent can be assured that the game will run and that there won't be any frustration.
Does this relate to Gentoo Games? Yes.
Bundling pre-integrated, no-install-required Linux in with a bootable game cd basically changes the experience of using a general purpose computer into the experience of using a gaming console. Just pop in the game cd and run, the same as when using a PlayStation. In both cases, the OS is invisible and irrelevant. Perfect.
Granted, there could still be considerable hardware incompatibility issues. However, at least the software incompability issues would be gone as they would have been resolved beforehand by the game developer. Given the pain that average computer users have when installing software on Linux, this could be a big advantage.
Perhaps Gentoo's compile-upon-install model could be leveraged to eliminate many of the hardware incompatibility issues by compiling some stuff to the needs of the hardware upon startup. On a network-enabled computer, the startup routine could even include a fetch of necessary drivers, etc.
Anyway, as a new buy-games-for-children parent, I appreciate anything that would make the experience of gaming on general purpose computers be more like the experience of gaming on consoles.
Sure, if this was actually about the business rather than about your personal problems with Daniel.
Games are a MONEY buisness. That means that they have to be distributed in binary form to have any change of copy protection. Otherise you'd sell one game and all Linux users would be playing with it. (Ok, only 90% but whatever) Couple that with Linux incalulatably small desktop market share and you have a truly dead "market" for first run commercial games. Don't expect COMMERCIAL developers to fall all over themselves to give you free goods.
Now it's not ALL doom and gloom. Actually the MMORPG situation may change that a bit, since you are absolutely dependant on a remote server, it's easy to "copy protect" the content. Then the client itself becomes free as it is completely useless without the server and your paid for user account. At that point all Linux needs it market share to make developing for it worth the effort.
If Linux hangs in there, it may happen some day. But all you have to do is look around and you can plainly see why there are "no" linux games and why there will not be any flood of new Linux games any time soon. Don't EXPECT charity. Make it yourself, use a gaming platform or take what you get.
Contrary to popular belief, coding is not all free blow-jobs and beer. Those things cost MONEY!
Okay, as a current, non-anonymous, and long-time Gentoo dev I'll be happy to "set things straight here". "Daniel Robbins has ridden on the coat tails of other developers for so long it is not funny, I left the project due to this...." I've seen Mr. Robbins take credit for the vision behind Gentoo Linux and his work in managing the project, but I have never seen him take credit for another's work. Moreover, I don't remember anybody complaining about it publicly. Drobbins may be Gentoo's "benevolent dictator", but he also listens when a consensus forms that he's wrong about something. "...he pockets the money that he makes from banners ads (yes banner ads on the .org site) directly...." To the best of my knowledge that statement is true. It has also never been denied, and he has spent $1000's (US) of his own money on server hardware and Gentoo evangelism.
"...he hasn't [...] done much more than push things into where he feels they should be at in a long long time." Rather the definition of a project manager, I would think. Taking a look at the project CVS log, I see his name in there a fair amount, too.
"...even his 'original' things like his live CD technology and his stage building scripts were blatantly ripped off (without the GPL required credits remaining in them) from former developers.. to which he claims 100% credit for now as his original work." He does? Where? Certainly the original Gentoo LiveCD was written by one of our devs and not by Drobbins, but I've never seen him take credit for it. In fact, another of our devs has been heavily involved in the current livecd's, and I don't see Mr. Robbins taking credit for those, either.
As for 1.4, yeah, we messed up there. Here's an abbreviated list of things to finish before 1.4_final:
* non-tmpfs baselayout
* CFLAGS/CHOST script and better docs
* Active GRP testing
* Genkernel script (for x86 at least)
I'm hoping that 1.4 does, indeed, come out fairly soon, but I'm also not putting in the effort required to make that happen right now, so I don't really get to complain.
If you wish to create your own distro, you're quite welcome to do so. You are even quite welcome to fork Gentoo, if you so desire. All of Gentoo Linux is GPL, after all.
Who wrote this? It's pretty good.
No! No! No! Is ROT13 such a lost art?
The point is: "Wbva Gur Nezl!"
Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
The funny thing about microsoft, wether you like them or not, do sometimes have semi-decent ideas and indisputably marketable products. X-box is one of them, basicly assembling an off the shelf small PC dedicated for the purpose of game playing, using an OS, though it be trimmed down, that they already have a staff familar with.
Now... what's to stop someone from creating a compeating product, based on linux, without all the inhearent microsoft gayness? While I don't believe it's possible to actually make and market a product nearly so cost effective as the x-box, presently fetching roughly $180, it's been demonstrated that the game console community will pay over twice that something that that can't be replaced / upgrade / altered.
I see a linux based game console as being a very very marketable product, but part of the drawback is the lack of games for that particular platform, as well as relative ease of use.
But what it lacks in cutting edge titles... can be made up for in EMULATION to achive marketability. Lets face it, homes across the globe have in their attic Ataris, commodores, nintendos, segas, pretty much a whole slew of stuff. While this likely could be achieved on Xbox, it would be a pain in the butt due to microsoft's design of only running signed games.
Given the fact that people are willing to spend in excess of $180 for something that will become obsolete and unsupported, imagine the the looks on their faces when you say it can do more then a game console. Imagine their faces when you tell them, "oh yea, when the next generation comes out, all the stuff you bought will work with it, no problem". Oh and the ever popular *oh yea you can browse the web and check your e-mail too*.
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Why I think this would be cool?
The X-box's coolness is the fact it's *just a PC* excepting the fact that it's PC aspects are disabled. Otherwise I know a number of people and businesses who would quickly plop down $180 + the cost of a monitor to have something that can run microsoft word. Let's face it, the typical home user doesn't *need* high end cpu.
Wether this linbox be in the form of an X-box modified (legal questions pop up) or a newly marketed baby sized PC marketed as a game machine but PC ability.
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This is the reason I say *oh yea* the more games that are ported or created to linux. Each title makes it a more viable platorm.
There is no sanctuary. There is no sanctuary. SHUT UP! There is no shut up. There is no shut up.
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- Sig
Gerks stage build scripts were initially for ppc only. :-)
PPC still uses them. credits to gerk
Why are you complaining about gerks code? It might have been gerks descision to allow daniel to copy the scripts which is allowed by GPL.
afaik ppc was only founded AFTER x86 which already had stage building scripts.
Feel free to discuss anything ppc related with me and Gerk on irc.
I'd venture that anyone is willing to look at the sort of attitude displayed in your posts and draw their own conclusions about how much the rest of us will miss you.
Judging by your outspoken flair, I'm supprised I haven't seen an email from you to this effect on -core. There have been two threads that I can recall dealing with this and no posts are quite like what you've displayed so far. I'm not doubting you're an ex dev, I'm just inclined to believe you actually left some time ago for other reasons and are using this as a chance to sound off once more.
what ever happened to their 1.4 release?...
Their release? If you're so recently expired I would have expect an our ot maybe a the.
Make your name known. What are you hiding from?
I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it.
Hopefully Gentoo can succeed where other's have failed. I'm sick of saying "sorry, won't run on my machine"
Wow, how many years has it been since we had to have a "boot disk" in order to run games? That's not something I want to go back to.
Also, how could Linux geeks be in favor of rebooting their machine to play a game? You guys think dual-booting Windows for playing games is absurd, yet don't have any problem rebooting to play the game in Linux? Huh?
I know you're trying to be funny, but the really funny thing is: Portage works perfectly with binaries packages, and, lo and behold, UT2003-demo has been in there for months. I *WANT* more games installable with emerge, my man. Fast, easy, convenient, works out of the box. Enjoyable. It almost makes my life worth it despite all the VB I get at work.
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This sig does in fact not have the property it claims not to have.
DataShark, you're posting drunk again. Is there a SPELLCHECKER in the house?!
I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it.
Anonymous coward, In reply to your question:
"What has Daniel (personally) actually done in the last year, that wasn't just copied from another developers work? Honestly, think about it and ask yourself these questions.. he commands with a totalitarian approach, pockets gentoo's funds, and takes credit for everyone else's work"
My (last) answer is:
daniel just founded gentoo games...
What was the name of the last company you, anonymous coward, founded to generate income for an open source initiative - making sure Gentoo Linux has a certain future? If none, for your own sake, stop making a fool out of yourself.
The point, IMHO, is to run it on a machine without an HDD.
So are you requiring each player to have a USB keychain to save his or her progress in the game? Or will you require players in a game to have a network connection and save their progress to a server that does have a HD?
Will I retire or break 10K?
http://gentoo.twobit.net/misc/aa-20030513.iso.torr ent
As soon as i finish the download and get America's Army extracted from cloop, I'll pack it into Loki's installer.
put the what in the where?
you can't open a PC CDROM drive while the PC is turned off...
Xbox neither. If I remember correctly (I own only a GameCube), the Xbox console's power-on button opens the drive door. Quite a few home stereos are like that as well.
Will I retire or break 10K?
HAHA I remember the oh so vital dos boot disk, trying to squeeze everything into upper memory so you could get that ~612K free. Tweaking EMM386.EXE, HIMEM.SYS and MSCDEX which was the bane of my existence. Those were the days, the days that I didn't mind a Microsoft operating system.
Well that's the problem, son! You should have been using QEMM. EMM386 was total shit. LOADHI was nice, though. It was great when DOS 5 came along and you could load much of COMMAND.COM into high memory as well.
I remember working on a DOS app that needed a CD, mouse, 640x480x256 graphics, a 1 meg chunk of EMS, *and* about 600K of conventional memory. I was very very proud of being able to load MSCDEX, mouse driver, Netware drivers and the VESA driver and STILL have something like 620 meg free. Lord forbid I should have to change a single bit of configuration, though. That was another hour of hair-pulling frustration. (No, this product did NOT sell very well. Management never understood why.)
Those were the days, when programmers were MEN. Beat that box into submission!!
What if life is just a side effect of some other process and God has no idea we exist?
"Gentoo Sucks"
"I couldn't figure out how to install it. Maybe it's because i'm illeterate and the install docs don't have pictures"
"I hate watching compiler output"
"I havent figured out that it's unnecessary to read all that yet.
"My system is slow when i'm compiling"
"I'm running it on an imitation 486"
or
"I don't know how to use the nice command"
And joined the Air Force...
Actually no, but current economy makes one pause for thought.
StarTux
Now... what's to stop someone from creating a compeating product, based on linux
Market viablity.
There are 3 consoles on the market now. Dreamcast, produced by Sega, a known gaming house with prior console experience (however you may feel about that experience) was released and failed.
Indreama, a console to be based on GNU/Linux, failed. Why? Inablity to raise funds.
A emulation console? Sounds fun. How are you going to find anything to sell/play on it? Game consoles are sold on the premise that all the money they lose/"don't make" on the console is made up by liscensing the ablity to create games for the system. The console is often sold at-price, or as low as they can, so that the install base is large enough that other content producers will bite and pay up to get liscensing/APIs for the console.
Of course, if all you want is a console running GNU/Linux, Sony sells a PS2 kit that'll run RedHat Linux
True, but then every package assumes your system is setup right.
Which *might* raise the level of user awareness to operate the system even more.
Is there an alternative package for gentoo?