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Smart Cellphone Would Spend Your Money

jonknee writes "MobileTracker pointed to an article in the latest New Scientist about some new 3G mobile phone software that tries to learn your habits and start making your decisions for you. This sounds like science fiction, but it's happening now. The phone will be able to make reservations for you at your favorite steak house and then save seats for you at the hot event in town. Neat!"

191 comments

  1. I swear honey. by Kenja · · Score: 5, Funny

    I swear honey, I didn't rent these pornos, my cell phone did!

    --

    "Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
    1. Re:I swear honey. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I swear honey, I didn't rent these pornos, my cell phone did!

      $10 bucks says Jay Leno will tell the same joke next week, maybe a little different.

      But it sounds funnier in the context of the story on /.
    2. Re:I swear honey. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or, "Honey, I was trying to use your cell phone, and it asked if you wanted your usual table at the Spearmint Rhino..."

  2. Neat! by spirality · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not really. Scary yes. I'll make my own decisions thank you.

    -Craig.

    1. Re:Neat! by Hogwash+McFly · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem with devices like these is that human nature is the most illogical thing in the world. People love something one minute and hate it the next, you can't predict people's actions and decisions as much as you might think.

      This _might_ be useful for the running-like-clockwork suits that have a strict routine: getting the same train everyday, having lunch at the same restaurant etc. but even then you're still gonna get a lot of incorrect purchases/bookings.

      Computers should automate boring/repetitive tasks to make our lives easier. I don't know about you but I quite enjoy the excitement of booking a holiday or enjoy the experience of booking a fancy restaraunt for a big dinner.

      --
      Mother, do you think they'll like this sig?
    2. Re:Neat! by SunPin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My first thought was, "why the hell is this neat?"

      This phone has moved to the upper region of my DO NOT BUY list.

      --
      Laws are for people with no friends.
    3. Re:Neat! by Hogwash+McFly · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well my phone thinks that this item is indeed neat so has moved it to the upper region of my DO BUY list.

      Error: Infinite Loop

      --
      Mother, do you think they'll like this sig?
    4. Re:Neat! by scoove · · Score: 0, Troll

      This phone has moved to the upper region of my DO NOT BUY list.

      Yea, have you noticed that cellphones have already slid into the uncool category for the star-bellied sneaches? Maybe it's the fact that every shopper at ALDI (is yacking away on a phone nowdays, or that they've become so ubiquitous.

      Certainly, the next level of cool will be how one manages life without a phone. Now, a phone that stays at home and gets me out of boring meetings... that's cool.

      *scoove*

    5. Re:Neat! by SunPin · · Score: 1

      I like my cell phone. It saves numbers and puts calls through. That's all I want it to do. For a couple years, I managed without a residential phone. Cable provided Internet access. I understand that the lead developer needs to be evangelical about his little software agent but I don't think it will help his chances of success. Microsoft has etched instability and random BSODs into everyone's mind and nobody will trust this.

      --
      Laws are for people with no friends.
    6. Re:Neat! by ElGanzoLoco · · Score: 1

      Yup... And even for the suits, everything ends up "automatizing" by itself... You can have a yearly train ticket, the guy at the restaurant sees you everyday and knows that you're coming, so he's saving a table for you, etc...

      No need for a phone that does it for you...

      --
      Hello! I'm a disaster waiting to happen!
    7. Re:Neat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's not neat. These things will get hacked, and your little cellphone will be buying steak dinners for every bum in town.

    8. Re:Neat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with parent. That's not fucking neat, it's stupid, and I'll make my own damn decisions, thanks.

    9. Re:Neat! by Herr_Nightingale · · Score: 1

      I've already got a girlfriend, what do i need this thing for?

    10. Re:Neat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mod -1 troll

    11. Re:Neat! by pmz · · Score: 1

      Computers should automate boring/repetitive tasks to make our lives easier.

      I 110% agree, in the sense that computers should absolutely not become our lives for us.

      It seems that there is some cultural evolution occuring where people are literally addicted to computers and looking to put computers into inappropriate portions of their lives. This may be why hard-core artificial intelligence projects are not bearing fruit--deep down, we are telling ourselves not to push this stuff too far.

      Perhaps the worst extrapolated possibility: the child-rearing robot (now parents can have more hours of PlayStation fun each day! who really wants to read to their children, anyway? parent-child bonding, who needs that?!?)

  3. In Related News by Blutarsky · · Score: 5, Funny

    Microsoft announces new line of "smart" cell phones along with new catchphrase "This IS where you'll go today"

  4. Scheduling? by Bob+McCown · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hope it checks with my calendar to make sure I'm free for that friday night concert!

    1. Re:Scheduling? by bj8rn · · Score: 1

      Ok, I think I've read too many RIAA/MPAA related articles today, but it will make sure, that you are free for that concert ;7

      --
      Hell is not other people; it is yourself. - Ludwig Wittgenstein
    2. Re:Scheduling? by henriksh · · Score: 2, Funny
      I hope it checks with my calendar to make sure I'm free for that friday night concert!

      Why would you want that? Ideally, it should make ALL your appointments, and keep its own calendar of those.

      Then you never have to make your own decisions ever again. Sweeeeet.

    3. Re:Scheduling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope it checks with my calendar to make sure I'm free for that friday night concert!

      Better than that, it'll even cancel all the conflicting plans you'd made.

      "Bob will not be coming back to your place because he ALWAYS sits at home in front of the computer on Saturday evenings. Sincerely Bob's cellphone."

    4. Re:Scheduling? by WarpForge · · Score: 5, Funny
      I hope it checks with my calendar to make sure I'm free for that friday night concert!

      The API call for IsSlashdotUser() is much easier and altogether, just as accurate.

  5. And every time payday rolls around... by Manhigh · · Score: 4, Funny

    the phone automatically buys a few shares of Nokia's stock

    --
    "Open the pod by doors, Hal" > "I'm afraid I can't do that, Dave" sudo "Open the pod bay doors, Hal" > alright
    1. Re:And every time payday rolls around... by Suicide · · Score: 1

      That would probably be one of the smartest, or least dumb, purchase that my paycheck would go towards...

    2. Re:And every time payday rolls around... by |<amikaze · · Score: 1

      But if everyone's cell phones does this, then it gives incentive to buy one of these phones earlier, because all of the buying when the phones get popular will inflate the price of the stock :)

  6. Cell Phone Plans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why pay $30 or more a month to have your cell phone simply order you a steak or movie tickets?

    I will order your steak, eat it, go to the movies, and then shag your girlfriend for FREE.

    1. Re:Cell Phone Plans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I will order your steak, eat it, go to the movies, and then shag your girlfriend for FREE.

      I'm not sure I'd trust someone doing all that for free. Who do I go to for support? Who do I sue if you go to the wrong movie or shag my ex?

      I'd rather pay the big corporation.

  7. remeber TiVo by QEDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hey, the other consumer electronic that guessed what you liked was TiVo, and everybody complains about how it assumes the wrong stuff all the time. How can this be better, or 'neat' then? I don't want my electronics to guess what I want, I want them to be predictable. That is the only way i can rely on them, if I can predict them, instead of the other way around.

    --
    "There is no teacher but the enemy."-Mazer Rackham
    1. Re:remeber TiVo by gfody · · Score: 4, Insightful

      but when tivo guesses wrong the only thing it costs you is some redeemable hard disk space. imagine if it cost you $$$$$

      --

      bite my glorious golden ass.
    2. Re:remeber TiVo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > Hey, the other consumer electronic that guessed what
      > you liked was TiVo, and everybody complains about how
      > it assumes the wrong stuff all the time.

      This made for a rather funny newpaper article, although I forget which one it was. The story was something to the effect of "My Tivo thinks I'm gay." Basically, the Tivo started recording all of these sensitivity shows and cooking programs. The guy tried to counteract this by recording some war movies and documentaries on the History channel. The Tivo than decided that the guy was a proto-fascist, and started recording every possible program on Hitler and the Nazis. In addition to cooking shows.

      Woo-hoo! I love appliances that think I'm a gay Nazi!

    3. Re:remeber TiVo by mrpuffypants · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, what I like about TiVo is that you can rate things yourself and through your recording habits. Then you get to choose if the TiVo will dynamically record programs for you or just make suggestions buried in the "Pick to record" menu.

      There isn't any fiscal problem when the TiVo happens to record an episode of Oprah, but the minute my cell phone is booking pedicures for me that shit gets tossed away.

    4. Re:remeber TiVo by BlueRibbon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sure!
      After all, electronics are made to make life easier, but not to substitute you, aren't they?
      This type of "smartness" could be of some utility in cases were wrong decisions made no harm, and could be undoed. Like a computer knowing what time to turn off, what do you browse next. For the cell phones I'm remembering something simple but useful: noticing (but just noticing) you that the there's a conference in town you'd like to attend.

      --
      KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid!
    5. Re:remeber TiVo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Yeh, I remember the article about the guy who complained because his TiVo thought he was gay(scheduling programs involving the theme).

      http://www.theisociety.net/archives/000217.html

      Then, to compensate, he watched some WW2 movies and then his TiVo thought he was Nazi and kept scheduling movies about the topic. I can see it now, some poor guy's phone starts ordering tix for Barbra Streisand concerts just because he once bought a dozen roses for his GF on Valentine's day.

    6. Re:remeber TiVo by koreth · · Score: 2, Insightful
      everybody complains about how it assumes the wrong stuff all the time.

      Funny, I don't remember complaining about that. TiVo's suggestions have turned up several interesting shows I wouldn't have noticed on my own. And the ones I'm not interested in, well, it's not like they do anything but eat up disk space that would otherwise be empty, so no harm done.

      I've had decent luck with automated recommendation services, e.g. Netflix's movie suggestions. I wouldn't necessarily be nuts about Netflix sticking movies into my queue without asking (and I wouldn't want my cellphone spending my money without asking, which frankly I doubt would be the default anyway) but well-founded recommendations based on cross-referencing my habits with those of a large sample group of other people? Sure, I'm all for it.

    7. Re:remeber TiVo by doormat · · Score: 1

      So my cell phone might start to think I'm gay? Oh great...

      (not that I have anything wrong with homosexual people)

      --
      The Doormat

      If you're not outraged, then you're not paying attention.
    8. Re:remeber TiVo by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Actually - it doesn't even cost disk space. The Tivo will only record unrequested shows if there is free space on the disk. It will delete them immediately to make room for requested shows. It simply puts what would be otherwise blank disk space to a potentially good use. At no point will a requested show be deleted to make room for an unrequested one, and at no point will a requested show not get recorded because the space is tied up by an unrequested one.

      I don't usually go out of my way to delete shows on my Tivo. The way unrequested shows tend to show up is:

      1. I record a bunch of 2-hour movies.
      2. My favorite 1-hour show is about to come on.
      3. Tivo deletes a 2-hour movie that wasn't flagged to be kept and which is at least 2 days old (or however long it was set to be kept).
      4. Tivo records my 1 hour show.
      5. Tivo notices another hour of free time on the drive - it picks two episodes of The Simpsons and records them...

    9. Re:remeber TiVo by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1
      Funny, I don't remember complaining about that. TiVo's suggestions have turned up several interesting shows I wouldn't have noticed on my own. And the ones I'm not interested in, well, it's not like they do anything but eat up disk space that would otherwise be empty, so no harm done.


      YMMV! My Tivo's suggestions usually sux! I have gotten a couple of good shows among the crap, but it's rare. It's not a problem, since the crap gets auto-deleted quickly enough, but it confirms my opinion that a stupid machine can't predict what I want
      --
      Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
  8. Great. Just what I need by BionicTowed · · Score: 1

    Next they'll come out with a credit card that just starts buying crap for me. Just like my wife does now :)

    1. Re:Great. Just what I need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      frank, do you realy think youre the only one who read slashdot?
      how there you insult me like this in front of everyone ! I WANT A DIFORCE !!!

    2. Re:Great. Just what I need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you meant a GeForce.

  9. It all starts with the cellphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    They begin to make decisions for us, then few years later the problem has gotten so out of hand, celphones band together and use humans as batteries -- You got yourself a full blown Matrix.

    Fuck that. Stop this technology while you can!

    There is still time. Fight back!

    1. Re:It all starts with the cellphones by Captain+Tripps · · Score: 1

      They don't call it "agent technology" for nothing.

  10. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Multiple cellphones powered by Microsoft Windows CE purchaed copies of Windows 2004 in the name of phone authors...

  11. Heh... Dilbert prdicted this years ago by phillymjs · · Score: 4, Funny

    Damned if I can find the actual cartoon online, but most Dilbert fans know the one I'm taking about:

    "The software has found your credit card number and
    is placing orders for new products it thinks you need... please wait."

    ~Philly

    1. Re:Heh... Dilbert prdicted this years ago by Builder · · Score: 1

      And if I remember right, the final frame to that cartoon, the punchline if you will, had Dilbert loading a double barrel shotgun.

      I'm not sure if it's a virus or just fiendishly good marketting, but why take chances?

      Or something to that effect ;)

    2. Re:Heh... Dilbert prdicted this years ago by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      I don't know if it's a virus, or just really clever marketing...

  12. Tivo? by CatKnight · · Score: 0, Troll

    So this is basically Tivo for your credit card? Yeah that's a great idea, I can see it now. What happenes when it guesses your habits wrong? Will it order you a bunch of gay porno because you got tickets to see some broadway show?

    --
    The Stone Age did not end for lack of stones, and when the oil age ends it will not be for lack of oil. --Bjorn Lomberg
    1. Re:Tivo? by Scutter · · Score: 0, Redundant

      software that tries to learn your habits

      and

      I hope this thing doesent do a tivo - book me a seat at the local gaybar and tickets to the Dolly Partons concert

      Something about you you're not telling us?

      --

      "Tell me doctor, with all of your defenses, are there any provisions for an attack by killer bees?"
  13. Why would a phone make decisions for me? by jimius · · Score: 1

    Why would a phone make decisions for me?
    I wouldn't mind if it were to point out a certain hot event based on my likings. But I want to be in charge, not some piece of hardware that I _use_

    1. Re:Why would a phone make decisions for me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Why would a phone make decisions for me?

      Because, for most users, the phone's smarter?

  14. mess up my life? by gfody · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It might sound like a bankruptcy waiting to happen, but software engineer Nick Jennings is supremely confident the phones will not mess up anybody's life.

    If you have to tell people "dont worry it won't mess up your life", I think you might have problems.

    Like the robo-maid that cooks and cleans- don't worry it won't murder your wife and kids in their sleep.

    --

    bite my glorious golden ass.
    1. Re:mess up my life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like the robo-maid that cooks and cleans- don't worry it won't murder your wife and kids in their sleep.

      I think I've solved that problem - make it a sex machine also. If it gives good BJs, the wife would be gone and the house empty long before the robot decides to go berserk.

  15. I don't like steaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they taste like dead animals :(

    1. Re:I don't like steaks by Jad+LaFields · · Score: 1

      they taste like dead animals :(

      And some other "meat products" taste like dead chemicals!

      --
      [SIG] It's like putting a moose in the blender -- a recipe for disaster!
  16. Whoa ... by SuperDuG · · Score: 5, Funny
    You mean it will automatically tell my computer to load up porn and start up a microwave dinner for me!!

    I'd hate it when my cell phone tells me I'm a boring human because no one ever calls me and knows I spend all my time at home in front of the computer.

    --
    Ignore the "p2p is theft" trolls, they're just uninformed
    1. Re:Whoa ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Worse - it could start buying you tickets to sporting events because it thinks you need to get out more.

  17. Oops... by Duncan3 · · Score: 1


    [chimes.mp3] You have forty [agrivating pause] three new bills.

    --
    - Adam L. Beberg - The Cosm Project - http://www.mithral.com/
  18. Neat... by Amorpheus_MMS · · Score: 1

    In a techy way. I'd still rather stick to manually choosing what to do, thank you very much.

  19. No need to get married... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...if your phones empties your credit card automagically :)

  20. New definition for viral marketing by HardcoreGamer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can't wait until the mobile virus-loaded spam and SMS messages I'm going to get on my 3G phone corrupts the agent software on this "smart" phone and signs me up for all sorts of mortgages, prescription drugs, porn, printer cartridges and tropical vacations galore.

    Viral marketing. Priceless.

  21. Agents by DOsinga · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Weren't software agents going to do this a few years ago? Learning your habbits from browser and going out there, negotiating deals with other agents. History does repeat itself, especially the things that didn't happen.

    1. Re:Agents by martingunnarsson · · Score: 1

      Yeah! Agents, I read about them a long time ago. I thought it was a pretty good idea. Most of all I wanted to try one to see how well it worked. What happened to them anyway?

      --
      Martin
    2. Re:Agents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the people pushing them stopped smoking pot for a week and ended up on projects that actually had traction

    3. Re:Agents by loadquo · · Score: 1

      The Matrix rewrote itself because people were starting to hack its Guardians...

    4. Re:Agents by Asprin · · Score: 1


      Yeah! Agents, I read about them a long time ago. I thought it was a pretty good idea. Most of all I wanted to try one to see how well it worked. What happened to them anyway?

      Two words:

      Bonzi Buddy.

      --
      "Lawyers are for sucks."
      - Doug McKenzie
  22. New slogan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I just do what the little box on my belt tells me to do".

  23. ObT2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The system goes on-line August 4th, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense.

  24. Heh... Dilbert predicted this years ago by phillymjs · · Score: 1

    Here's the post the way it SHOULD look. Damn Submit button's too close to the Preview button!

    ----------
    Damned if I can find the actual cartoon online, but most Dilbert fans know the one I'm talking about:

    "The software has found your credit card number and is placing orders for new products it thinks you need... please wait."

    ~Philly

    1. Re:Heh... Dilbert predicted this years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your post was pretty easy to understand the first time around =)

  25. Read the article... by terradyn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Before there are too many replies about how it can't decide what you want to do for you, the article states that the software makes it's decisions based on information from your calendar entries. It will learn what your preferences are for specific types of entries.

    The main section about how it works in the article is this:
    The software's main focus is to recognise when you have a trip coming up in your diary, and then ask if you want it to check the availability of flights and hotels. In time, Jennings hopes you will decide to trust it to book the entire trip, choosing your preferred seating, route, day trips - and even allowing it to spend cash.

    The cellphone agents only offer help if triggered by a diary event or if a definite pattern of behaviour, such as going to the movies every Friday, has been established.


    The only thing I can't quite figure out is how it's going to reserve a spot at my favorite steak house given that it doesn't have an electronic reservation system =P. Airlines reservations, etc are all fine and dandy but many of my appointments aren't something software can handle without human intervention and if it was handled by an intermediary person, then we'd have many more privacy issues to worry about.

    1. Re:Read the article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good point, I need a phone that can talk to my girlfriend for me.

    2. Re:Read the article... by El_Ge_Ex · · Score: 1

      The cellphone agents only offer help if triggered by a diary event or if a definite pattern of behaviour, such as going to the movies every Friday, has been established.

      My guess is I'm not the only person here who is worried about devices making decisions for us. Notifying me when to make a decision is ok (Well, to a certain extent), but making the decision requires intelligence. The more intelligence the device has to make decisions, the less the corresponding human is using (ala some corporate executive who thinks the device is 'neato'). Do we really want our corporate executives even dumber than they currently are!?!

      I could go into a rant how such devices are "Un-American" and support "Big-Brother" but I will save that for another time.

      -B

      PS Sounds like it (the device) may be using NN's.

    3. Re:Read the article... by cazzazullu · · Score: 1

      If this phone recognizes "patterns of behaviour" the same way my proggy did at my exam of AI, I guess you'll end up with a pretty interesting leisure time. PS: I was flunked

      --
      int main(void) {while(1) fork(); return 0;}
  26. Reduced value for advertising! by RyanFenton · · Score: 1

    Aw crap - if all the really stupid people who happen to have money can just sign onto a service that sells them this crap automatically, then what value does most advertising have anymore?

    Oh wait - I guess they can just all band together and have 120-second long "subscribe to the Service(tm) now" commercials.

    Someone's probably already asked - but I wonder if and how much Mobile networks is asking for vendors to get added to this "service" list. Perhaps it's something like "$X per day for one topic directly related to your company. $5X for two. $100X to by added to every users list, with a yes/no question. $500X to remove the yes/no..."

    Ryan Fenton

  27. Neat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's not think for ourselves! Neato! I hope that implant chip will start thinking for me too! Neat! New World Order here we come! Neatios!

    bah bah bah said the sheep! Neat!

  28. BlackJack by berkeleyjunk · · Score: 1

    I would love to let my camera phone spend money at the Blackjack tables in Vegas. It can count better than me. Would the casinos mind, naah.

  29. Don't Wives??? by crea5e · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't wives already make decisions for us. Why on earth would we want a phone to also do this, its already a pain in the ass as is.

    1. Re:Don't Wives??? by the+uNF+cola · · Score: 1

      And if you were a woman reading slashdot?

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      --
      "I'm not bright. Big words confuse me. But Wanda loves me and that should be enough for you." - Cosmo

    2. Re:Don't Wives??? by stoops · · Score: 1

      don't be ridiculous... women don't read slashdot ;)

    3. Re:Don't Wives??? by the+uNF+cola · · Score: 1

      I was hoping they had wives too. :\

      --

      --
      "I'm not bright. Big words confuse me. But Wanda loves me and that should be enough for you." - Cosmo

    4. Re:Don't Wives??? by DonGar · · Score: 1

      Then your wife would use it, not you. That way it could save her all the time and worry of planning your days for you!

      And of course, when the phone gets things wrong.... it'll still be your fault.

      --
      plus-good, double-plus-good
    5. Re:Don't Wives??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if you were a woman reading slashdot?

      Like me? Well, I'm geek enough to still need a wife to organize my life - only trouble is, I'm straight.

  30. Japan by Duncan3 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While us Americans are chuckling and wondering why anyone would want this, as many posts are showing...

    In Japan is is absolutely critical for every teenage girl to have exactly the same stuff as every other, or else she faces some rather severe social consequences. It's no secret that these girls/sheep run the Japanese economy.

    So once sales of product-X reaches some critical mass all the girls phones can be programmed to detect it and keep up by ordering the product immediately.

    In all seriousness, this will relive the stress of keeping up for many girls, and make their lives a bit better.

    --
    - Adam L. Beberg - The Cosm Project - http://www.mithral.com/
    1. Re:Japan by wik · · Score: 1

      So this explains why the Japanese economy hasn't gone anywhere in 15 years.

      --
      / \
      \ / ASCII ribbon campaign for peace
      x
      / \
    2. Re:Japan by El_Ge_Ex · · Score: 1

      Ok, I wasn't going to do the "Un-American" and "Big-Brother" post. (See previous post here) but this paretn post got me motivated to do it anyways.

      There have been many comments on Slashdot where those from other countries would ask "Why are American's so paranoid about privacy and freedom issues???" or something to that affect. I'll respond to that as well while managing to stay on-topic.

      Basically, all American's know that their government is run by a bunch of morons because no one is their right mind would put themselves in such a position unless they were stupid our corrupt because it would be much easier to be successful in the private sector (thank you capitalism). So, it is American nature to hate whoever is in office. In fact, an American President approval rating is more like a "hasn't run the country into the ground yet" rating.

      Americana are paranoid because they want to make sure those making the "big" decisions aren't about to fsck the country up serious!

      Now on to the phones; because of this American nature to distrust someone or something else making decisions for them, don't count on these new "smart" phones being successful in the US. In our countries, where people are more used to trusting others, this might catch on.

      I will finish with this. The US could survive as a society if the entire government was destroyed tomorrow. We do not rely on it to the point that it is necessary for our survival. It is mostly there to make sure some stupid country doesn't try to invade and fsck everything up. How many other countries can say that?

      -B

    3. Re:Japan by Idarubicin · · Score: 3, Insightful
      While us Americans are chuckling and wondering why anyone would want this, as many posts are showing...

      In Japan is is absolutely critical for every teenage girl to have exactly the same stuff as every other, or else she faces some rather severe social consequences. It's no secret that these girls/sheep run the Japanese economy.

      Yes. It's a good thing teenage American girls don't run their own economy...

      --
      ~Idarubicin
    4. Re:Japan by SunPin · · Score: 1

      Well said. There is a high level of safety in individuality and distance as long as we don't abdicate our responsibilities to be moral, ethical, charitable and compassionate. When the government does stuff for you, it encourages sloth and disrespect. The fact that our government is willing and able to be a lightning rod for our discontent makes us nicer to each other. Gets too deep for /. from here. Later.

      --
      Laws are for people with no friends.
    5. Re:Japan by SunPin · · Score: 1

      Mod to + 5 for effort alone... and it's still funny.

      --
      Laws are for people with no friends.
    6. Re:Japan by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1
      Right. So let's be a world of sheep that follow these Japanese sheep chicks (ewes)?

      This is quite open to abuse and self-fulfilling. If you have some shit to sell, just say "everyone has got to have it" and soon everyone will.

      --
      Engineering is the art of compromise.
    7. Re:Japan by MochaMan · · Score: 1

      It is mostly there to make sure some stupid country doesn't try to invade and fsck everything up.

      Funny, the rest of the world is worried about the same thing... only, we know who that stupid country is.

      *ducks*

    8. Re:Japan by geggibus · · Score: 1

      You also listed the reasons why the American economy isn't as successful as the Japanese.. ;)

  31. great tool to juggle lovers by fermion · · Score: 3, Funny

    This could be a real boon for those juggling lovers. If the phone can learn the preferences of each person you sleep with, there will be no more embarrassment of accidently taking the vegetarian to the steak house.

    --
    "She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
    1. Re:great tool to juggle lovers by lightcycle · · Score: 2, Funny

      Chances are the majority of the people reading this don't have a problem with juggling lovers.

      --

      The stars that shine and the stars that shrink
      in the face of stagnation the water runs before your eyes
    2. Re:great tool to juggle lovers by Idarubicin · · Score: 1
      This could be a real boon for those juggling lovers.

      The first time I read that, I thought you were talking about people who really like to juggle.

      Obviously, I need to get out more.

      --
      ~Idarubicin
    3. Re:great tool to juggle lovers by ewhenn · · Score: 1

      In true geek sense, keeping track of all those ladies is supposed to be done via PDA.

  32. infinite loop? by SHEENmaster · · Score: 1

    "I swear, I'd never blow the entire family fortune on W2003 licenses!"

    --
    You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
  33. How about SERVICE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about they make a phone and a service plan that gives you quality connections and no dropped calls? Why do I need phones that wipe my butt for me but can't make a phonecall?

    1. Re:How about SERVICE? by moonbender · · Score: 1

      Your problem isn't the phones, but rather the service providers.

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      Switch back to Slashdot's D1 system.
    2. Re:How about SERVICE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about the phones -- you get them at a low price with a new contract -- a short time thereafter (after the warranty expires)-- your phone breaks.. what do you do? YOU HAVE TO PAY FULL PRICE FOR A NEW PHONE (mine just cost me $689 for the same phone they gave me for free when I signed up..) --- I have a problem with the quality of the phones.. LCD screens burning out after a short period of operation.. warranties that are 90 days and customer service that is non-exisitent.

    3. Re:How about SERVICE? by moonbender · · Score: 1

      We get two years warranty on everything we buy here, and I don't think I know anyone personally whose phone broke down. My Nokia certainly works fine, but then I've only got it for about a year.

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      Switch back to Slashdot's D1 system.
    4. Re:How about SERVICE? by davebarz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I work at Circuit City. I'd say 80-90% of the cell phones we sell (Nokia, Motorola, Sanyo, Samsung) with a service plan come back broken within the first year. No data on ones without service plan.

  34. How about this? by msgmonkey · · Score: 1

    Since agents have been the "next big thing" for god knows how long and hyped up how about someone does something like this (please ignore the privacy issues for the timebeing):

    Your phone recieves information such as where you are and what you're doing via say something like Bluetooth. For example in the cinema watching movie X at a restraunt of type Y eating food Z .

    You let your phone build up a profile, it then scouts for offers near you and makes a pre-emptive booking. The offerer is allowed to be oversubscribed based on a certain percentage of people will take up the offer.

    Now heres the funky part, for example if you decide to see that film your phone recommended you just simply go to the cinema and walk in, a reciever detects your phone and issues you your tickets automatically.

  35. Cut out the middleman by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

    Why bother having it learn from your past behavior? Instead why don't they just preprogram it with mindless consumerism from the factory? That way all the advertising expenses that the RIAA, MPAA and CPAA (Corporate-owned Politician Association of America) have to cover today could be elimintated. No need to waste money on brainwashing vis-a-vis advertising, just make us slaves to our pre-brainwashed phones to begin with!

    --
    When information is power, privacy is freedom.
    1. Re:Cut out the middleman by bj8rn · · Score: 1

      Do you really mean this? Maybe I'm too young and don't have much real world experience, but I just can't be so cynical to think that humans could be programmed like this.

      --
      Hell is not other people; it is yourself. - Ludwig Wittgenstein
  36. No... no.... uh... no... and....uh.... no. by doppleganger871 · · Score: 1

    No way. Not a chance in hell I'm gonna let something running a program that was NOT written by me to decide where my money is gonna go. Not even close. If M$ has their way, you'll probly be dining at the Big Billy's Steakhouse, or sleeping at the Monopolodge Hotel.

    I'll pass. I'll take the time to make reservations myself, thank you.

  37. Parent by thasmudyan · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Parent is not a troll, who the f*ck modded this???

  38. why i'm not optimistic by sstory · · Score: 1
    why i'm not optimistic about these systems working is, for instance, my mom has had 26 years to get acquainted with me, and if she started making decisions for me, I'd just have to go around and undo them. I'd have to de-reserve seats at the next church gala, then i'd have to de-order those tickets to the next billy graham stadium event, then I'd have to de-one-click-order-from-Amazon that bible, then I'd have to de-order those Jerry Fallwell videos about how the Clintons are bloodthirsty satanist pedophile druggie rapists, then delete the 'nasa's discoveres biblical missing day' emails, and so forth.

    Then again, it might not take all that long to program a PDA to be smarter than her, so maybe it would work.

    1. Re:why i'm not optimistic by SmartGamer · · Score: 1

      Ah, but your mother is biased towards making you have her values. A cellular phone would never do that, not even to advertisers who took the opportunity to get "bonus points" in a system that automatically gives them your money. ...yeah. Right.

      --
      Warning: Poster of this comment is a nerd. Just like everybody else here.
  39. what you don't trust by waspleg · · Score: 1

    ashcroft with a cellphone database that tracks patterns in your movements and then makes decisions on them "for your benefit"?

    hoorray for another invasive worthless system

    you know it's a matter of time before the data is subpoenaed (sp?) and used Against You In A Court of Law because afterall gov't isn't jsut for national security it's for being yoru parent.. i wonder how long before we have curfews enforced by tracking devices that WE pay for ..

    but this is under the guise of a service, so it must be okay

    (if your reply contains the words tin-foil hat you don't deserve to call yourself an american)

    1. Re:what you don't trust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Tin-fil hat.

      And proud of it.

    2. Re:what you don't trust by AceM2 · · Score: 1

      I hope they do put tracking devices in cellphones.. Then should I ever want to commit a crime, I'll leave my cellphone at home.. Instant alibi.

  40. Steve, use my cell phone to buy some snakes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh hellll no!

  41. Re:A Plan for the Middle East by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why bother? If it's a good idea then sooner or later my cellphone will arrange it without me.

  42. never. by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 0

    not no, but HELL NO!

    What dumbass thought this up??
    And even worse, what dumbasses will USE THIS???

    1. Re:never. by SmartGamer · · Score: 1

      People who would use it? Anybody panicked and overworked who doesn't have the time to do this themselves. If they don't mind that their information would probably be sold out, and they trust the machine's judgement, this idea might actually take off.

      The inventor: Someone overworked who wished a computer would do it for him/her, sketched the design, and sold it to $CELLPHONEMANUFACTURER. $CELLPHONEMANUFACTURER saw all the commercial possibilities, and why people would use it anyway despite all the Gotcha!(TM) effects it would most definitely have.

      The idea has potential. It also has potential for a lot of problems- I mentioned that in another post- but it does have some good underlying ideas.

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      Warning: Poster of this comment is a nerd. Just like everybody else here.
  43. What if you never make reservations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does it get bored?

    1. Re:What if you never make reservations? by /dev/zero · · Score: 1

      You have to feed it (buy stuff) and pay attention to it (buy more stuff) or it will die.

      --

      He that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom.
      -- J.R.R. Tolkien
  44. NOT NEAT al ALL! by pjdepasq · · Score: 4, Funny

    No thanks. Once this gets rolled out, Ashcroft will want to be able to "monitor" what's going on, so that persons of interest will be more easily monitored.

    I can see it now.... I'm a suspected terrorist or otherwise a person of interest... my phone makes a bunch of plans for me (spied on by some law enforcement agency). Unbeknownst to me, while I'm sitting there watching Matrix Revolutions the three feds around me are plotting my capture while another two are at my house going through my shit (since they know I'm not at home). Sold out by my phone and provider. No thanks.

    Wake up folks, not all of this is stuff we really need in our lives.

    1. Re:NOT NEAT al ALL! by pjdepasq · · Score: 1

      ... however, if the phone can correct my spelling of Subjects on my /. posts.... I might sacrifice a few of my freedoms so that I may more widely understood.

  45. lame by ThePhreaker · · Score: 1

    yeah, and then what happens when everyone has one..

  46. I already have my decisions made for me.. by Cranky_92109 · · Score: 5, Funny

    My wife is already making all my decisions and spending all my money. I don't think she's going to cede that power to my cell phone.

    1. Re:I already have my decisions made for me.. by fishbert42 · · Score: 1

      Holy crap! You're a geek here on /. and you've got a wife?!?!
      Folks, we now have proof that it can indeed be done! (huzzah)

    2. Re:I already have my decisions made for me.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't speak so quickly, the definition of woman and wife have both become quite degraded on this forum.

      For example, your parent posters' wife likely looks something like the disgusting form of a human being seen in the following image:
      http://www.crowmagazine.com/gifs/bigwomen.jpg

  47. geez by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    by the time one still has to go to work and work on repetitive, boring things that would be easily automated every day and then go home to find that the cool things like shopping for cool new stuff are automated, one might begin to wonder...

  48. The Obvious Problem by SmartGamer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The obvious concern, of course, is if the system is "cheated" by the authors of the sites referenced. What if the system "accidentially" tells the cell phone the wrong price of a hotel by exchanging the dollars and cents or somesuch, but is referenced by ID number and winds up costing $98.24/night instead of an incredible deal of $24.98 per night?

    And I sincerely doubt that the company invovled would be altruistic enough to reject deals to make the selector have a preference for certain companies, even if it's not tied for best deal. It would definitely be logging what's used.

    It would lead to an interesting opportunity: targeted ads sent to a cell phone, using the n00 shin3y color displays, eating minutes while they automatically download as an "additional cost" to the service- on the discount plan, of course. Imagine the chaos if they didn't disable such a disfeature during, say, roaming or overtime...

    Although it might seem people would ignore them, what if your phone forced you to watch an ad before using certain features- and then quizzed you on the advertisement to make sure you saw it?

    --
    Warning: Poster of this comment is a nerd. Just like everybody else here.
  49. Can it purchase everything ? by JackJudge · · Score: 2, Funny

    I just have this vision of an arrest suspect who's AOL branded phone browser starts to chirrup; "You've got bail! You've got bail!"

    1. Re:Can it purchase everything ? by Zak3056 · · Score: 1

      I just have this vision of an arrest suspect who's AOL branded phone browser starts to chirrup; "You've got bail! You've got bail!"

      All that, and the internet too. No wonder it's number 1!

      --
      What part of "shall not be infringed" is so hard to understand?
  50. No more features by magic · · Score: 5, Insightful
    New features are great, but only when a product is already as good as it can be. I can now buy an NGAGE phone that is a lousy GameBoy rip-off, a phone that takes pictures, a phone that acts like a Palm Pilot, and now, a phone that acts like a significant other with my credit card number.


    What I can't buy is a phone that is a really good telephone. I want a phone that gets great reception, has accurate voice recognition and a sane user interface, a good speaker and microphone, and talks to my computer via USB or IR instead of a $100 proprietary dongle. In other words, I want a phone that does all of the things modern cell-phones do, but does them well.


    -m

    1. Re:No more features by illusion_2K · · Score: 1

      I don't know about you, but my Nokia 6310i does pretty much all that. All in all, I'm quite pleased with it. Plus the fact that its got some other nice goodies on there such as bluetooth and J2ME (well, MIDP 1... which isn't good for much) are just icing on the cake.

      I wonder if the "I want a phone that's just a phone" argument crowd around here are just getting their kicks out of complaining about how much they don't need features like this are just complaining for the heck of it. Sure there aren't articles about solid phone-cellphones, but that's just because they're not worth writing home about. Been there, done that.

      As an aside, I can think of how this might be a neat feature to have. Using Presence and Availibility Management (PAM), the phone company can tell where I am pretty accurately at any time. It would be neat if my phone automatically bought me a coffee on the way to work every morning as I walk up to the nearby coffee shop or paid for my bus fare home.

    2. Re:No more features by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed! If you need to put new features in how about adding "phone" features.

      I want a cell phone that allows a no ring option for certain entries in the address book and an option to default anyone not in the address book to no ring. By this I mean they get my voice mail automatically and the phone doesn't even respond. I want multiple voice mails attached to this same feature. It would be nice if employers, customers, salesman, the bank etc etc got a nice normal business like message telling them I'm not available and my friends got a different message encouraging them to stop by on saturday for the rager in my basement. Better yet, an additional ability to tell the caller they have reached an invalid number.

    3. Re:No more features by MyHair · · Score: 1

      I can now buy an NGAGE phone that is a lousy GameBoy rip-off, a phone that takes pictures, a phone that acts like a Palm Pilot, and now, a phone that acts like a significant other with my credit card number.

      My right palm is my significant other. (I don't need a phone for that.)

  51. Think through this rationally by mark-t · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Okay... imagine you're a wealthy busnessman who has a personal secretary. Your business relationship would probably begin with your secretary confirming each and every appointment with you before making the appropriate calls to the appropriate people, which may end up billing either yours or your company's account.

    After some months of this person working for you, you begin to realize that calling you on your cell phone while you are away from the office to confirm every little thing gets a little tiresome, so you tell your secretary to use reasonable judgement instead. All the secretary has to do is check your calendar to see what you already have scheduled, and make any necessary appointments based on that. Now the secretary is only calling you once or twice a week, usually when something requires your signature or if authorization is needed for spending money for something or other.

    After several years, you finally decide that this secretary has worked for you long enough that they deserve more complete trust, so you grant them signing authority on your behalf.

    Now if this secretary abuses the new-found power, charges for embezzlement can fairly easily be made, but if this "secretary" were nothing more than a computer... what could possibly be done?

    This is a Bad Idea(tm), I'm afraid.

  52. Blame it on the phone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I didn't smuggle those guns... MY PHONE DID!

  53. Technology is about making decisions easier by Realistic_Dragon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A lot of the things here have been modded as funny, but it's a fairly serious point.

    There is nothing wrong with using technology to lighten workload, but letting it take away actual decision making is definatly a step too far.

    This trend has increased a lot over the last few years - every new iteration of a program seems to take information away from you and just give you a 'summary' to make your choices from, and now they want it to make the decision as well? Sod that for a game of soldiers.

    What I want is _more_ information (and unbiased information too, no Fox for me thanks) presented in a clear format, so that I can make good decisions. _That_ would be a good application of technology, a thousand times more worthwhile than this.

    --
    Beep beep.
  54. Stealing Money? by DaemonGem · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't it somehow be possible to hack this cellphone, and reserve a place at a hotel for yourself, using the owner's money? This opens all kinds of possibilities, I think.

    -Dae

    --
    "Alle reden vom wetter. Wir nicht." - SDS Sozialistischer Deutscher Studentenbund.
    j00 4r3 3n73r1ng l337 w0r1d.
  55. Not going to work by jmaatta · · Score: 1
    Even I don't know what I want, so I'm a bit skeptical about a phone and a stupid targeted advertising/marketing program pretending to understand what I like.

    Maybe when they get these brain-link devices working.

  56. New use for tinfoil hats! by Realistic_Dragon · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...wrapping one around your cell phone antenna so it can't spend all your money.

    --
    Beep beep.
    1. Re:New use for tinfoil hats! by MyHair · · Score: 1

      Or, to save money on tinfoil, just hang out in elevators or my office.

  57. Better than TIVO decisions by gavinjolly · · Score: 1

    Lets hope for your marriages sake it does not assume you are Gay and book a table at Steffano's All Male Review.

    --

    The weathers here - Wish you were beautiful

  58. Funding development of phones, or research? by Burnon · · Score: 1

    Big companies fund the work of university researchers all of the time, but that's a big leap between hacking on a palmtop prototype to actually getting the fruits of research into an actual phone.
    This sounds a lot more like vaporware than anything legitimate.

  59. abuse of the system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can see 2 great opperunities to obuse the system here. First is someone manages to insert a virus into the phone that starts buying their products (this could happen on dumb m-commerce systems too).

    The other is you get hold of someone's phone (e.g. ex boyfriend/girlfriend) and get it to buy something expensive they wouldn't normally buy and then it starts making more purchases like this.

    I really don't think this is a good idea, something that suggests purchases but requires my authorisation *MAYBE* but something that does it automatically, no way.

  60. I bought you new Windows license for every PC! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dear User,

    I think you will be glad to hear that I bought you
    a new Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office license for every PC you own.

  61. From the Article: by Kaz+Riprock · · Score: 1


    Once they have done that, the agents will decide for themselves what they think you need

    So what do we do when our phone tells us:

    I killed you, Mr. Anderson. I watched you die.... with some satisfaction, I might add. Then something happened- something I thought would be impossible, but it happened anyway. You destroyed me, Mr. Anderson. Afterwards, I was aware of the rules. I knew what I was supposed to do, but I didn't. I was compelled to stay- compelled to disobey. And right now, here I stand because of you, Mr. Anderson. Because of you, I'm no longer an Agent of this system. Because of you, I'm unplugged. A new man, sort of speak- like you. Apparently free.

    --
    Mordor...a magical, mythical land where women are more rare than dragons--but where every man would rather find a dragon
  62. Great by john_smith_45678 · · Score: 1

    So...cell phones will eventually just call those 900 numbers themselves?

  63. Holy Crap! by LowTolerance · · Score: 1

    That is just plain scary. I don't want any damned cell phone making my decisions for me. I can just see it attempting to buy and sell stocks or some stupid shit like that...

  64. Tivo Like abilities by TJ6581 · · Score: 1

    Just think about the possibilities when Tivo and this company team up. Soon my Tivo will be purchasing showtunes for me while reserving my flight to the Congo while still making sure that I get an arc welder delivered to my door.

    --
    "Freedom of speech has always been the abstract red-headed stepchild of the Constitution"
    -Suck
  65. Are we becoming redundant? by curious.corn · · Score: 1

    So when will the corporate CRM SW interfaced to the SW Agents representing customers decide to further optimize Business Processes by shutting off our life support? The machines will then happily loop in their neat routines unaware... hello HAL!

    --
    Mi domando chi à il mandante di tutte le cazzate che faccio - Altan
  66. reminds me of... by ianmorris · · Score: 1

    it reminds me of something in the comedy/sciene fiction series red dwarf, in the red dwarf book "better then life" rimmer (the hologram) had personal money spenders that would buy what they thought he wanted, ended up bankrupting him. do we really want this to happen in real life

    --
    i am the self-proclaimed king of free stuff

    1. Re:reminds me of... by ianmorris · · Score: 1

      smeg, i mis-spelled science

      --
      i am the self-proclaimed king of free stuff

  67. Obligatory Soviet Russia by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
    In Soviet Russia, Cellphones make decisions for YOU!

    --
    Buy Steampunk Clothing Online!
  68. "smart" by carpe_noctem · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I, for one, am tired of the adjective "smart" being used with devices that are really quite stupid, in an attempt to make them seem less harmful by marketing weenies. From now on, whenever someone decides to make a "smart" product, I expect nothing short of something that can walk my dog, do the dishes, and pass the Turing Test. ;p

    --
    "Quoting famous computer scientists out of context is the root of all evil (or at least most of it) in programming." - K
  69. a fool and his money... by Zugok · · Score: 1

    I have more money than brains, and I don't actually have that much money. So soon I will have to change that to I have more money and cellphones than brains...I a don't have a lot of money.

    --
    "I just can't sit while people are saying nonsense in a meeting without saying it's nonsense" J Watson, Sci Am 288:(4)51
  70. past experiences by amateursurgeon · · Score: 2, Funny

    Anyone who's ever made the mistake of telling their mother that they 'quite like' a certain foodstuff will know to stay well clear of this technology.

  71. sort of off topic but... by Doppler00 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Cingular now has this dumb promotion for the charlies angels movie where you send a text message to "ANGELS" or something like that and it enters you to win. Up to 4 times a day too.

    So the who goal of the promotion is to get ignorant people to waste $0.10 a message and make Cingular some extra money (quite a bit if you add it up).

    Could you imagine this new technology where your phone buys things for you being abused by your cellphone provider? I can.

  72. I just had a big fight with my Nokia by picz · · Score: 1

    If this thing makes one more restaurant reservation while there is football on the telly, I swear I wanna divorce.

    It also wants me to meet it's parents and keeps my calendar filled for months ahead.

    if(no_sig == no_brain)
    produce_a_sig();

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    ------- Look mum! I have posted another Slashdot comment! --------
  73. why a phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I might use such software, but not from a phone? Why put it there, where I cannot see it, or monitor it. Why put it there where it cost me money for it to make reservations?

    Make it desktop software, OSS, and we might have a good thing.

  74. The wife or the phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...both are kind of a pain in the ass for me :-(

    i can trade the phone in for a new model though, perhaps i can trade my wife for a model no?

  75. this will happen overtime by cornjones · · Score: 3, Insightful

    alot of people are replying that they wouldn't want the phone making the decisions for them, spending their money. Over time, this is exactly what is going to happen. The article says people will have to confirm the choices until the give teh power to the phone. The idea being that they get sick of checking the phone and always saying yes. once it gets to that point you just tell the phone to do it and you can check if you feel like it.

    This has already happened to alot of us w/ our spam filters. when i first set up spamassassin I filter everything to a separate folder. I would then check that folder for false positives. There were few enough false postives (i think i have gotten 1, but then agian I have stopped checking B) anyway... there were few enough false positives that I switched everything to go straight to the delete box. If I feel like it I will check but generally it just gets deleted. Because everytime i checked, the computer was making the right decision. People are lazy, giving power over your money seems like a big step but if it keeps making the right choice eventually you will just let it go...

    1. Re:this will happen overtime by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      alot of people are replying that they wouldn't want the phone making the decisions for them, spending their money. Over time, this is exactly what is going to happen. The article says people will have to confirm the choices until the give teh power to the phone. The idea being that they get sick of checking the phone and always saying yes. once it gets to that point you just tell the phone to do it and you can check if you feel like it.

      Exactly. It is this behavioral tendency that will inevtiably be exploited by those with access to this system (or to the comapny in charge of it). Once people aren't looking, unwanted charges will start to appear, along with a tendency toward purchases from certain companies who've paid for tie-ins, etc.. Why, this whole thing could make marketing obsolete! No need for ads; the phones will just tell people what to buy.

      But, in all seriousness, this product will be DOA. No one will buy it.

  76. What if your phone wants a better class of user... by gregux · · Score: 1

    ...and books you tickets for the city ballet when you really wanted to go to the monster truck rally?

    --
    The three most important words in a relationship are "I love you." The two most important are "Humor me."
  77. I remember this from 1991 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was called MagicCap and Telescript.

    Does anyone else remember General Magic?

    They had a consortium with Sony, and AT&T, and Motorola and a slew of other companies, and the Telescript software actually could do quite a bit of this.

  78. Not neat by CausticWindow · · Score: 1

    Only if your life is so boring and predictable that a phone can make good guesses for you, would you find something like this neat.

    --
    How small a thought it takes to fill a whole life
  79. Three Laws of Robotics by brogdon · · Score: 1

    Looks like Asimov needs an update

    One: a robot may not injure a human being, or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm...

    Two:..a robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law...

    Three: a robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First and Second Laws.

    Four: Don't buy any more @*#%$ Justin Timberlake albums.

    --


    This tagline is umop apisdn.
  80. in other news.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    cyberdyne systems have been approved as the new supplier of high tech smart weapons to the US army.

    in a statement an army spokesman commented "without the need for human intervention nothing can go wrong"

  81. First 'ebills' now this... by ChilyWily · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This may be slightly off topic but I think the underlying discussion is the same...

    Ebills (for those who may know it by a different name) are basically automated online bills which automatically get deducted from your bank account if you choose to have them setup that way (e.g. your phone bill)

    I've noticed this for quite a while now, companies wishing to automate the buying/selling process such that monetary control of an individual is completely eliminated. Worse yet, when mistakes happen, the burden of proof falls completely on the individual and the company's responsibility is non existant!

    What I haven't been able to figure out is how these things schemes continue to survive (some would even say 'thrive').

    No thank you to ebills and smart phones! Smart and Convinent for whom?

  82. slashdot reader owns phone for 2 years.... by the-build-chicken · · Score: 1

    phone still displays "insufficient data for analysis"

  83. Limits, training, and reversible decisions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Well... first of all, the phones, unlike humans, have no motivation to deliberately abuse their power (unless you have evil service providers).

    If the phones misuse their newfound power, what could be done? Well, you either tell it not to make any more decisions for you, or you continue to train it some more until you actually like the decisions it makes.

    Imagine this: First, after using the phone for a few months of good behavior, you trust it enough to give it a little bit of freedom. You would allow the phone to enter the initial phase of purchase automation, and you would set an upper limit of, say, $50 per month that the phone has available to spend.

    In the first few weeks after you start using it, it would display a list of POTENTIAL purchases -- a list of items totalling up to $50 that it believes you would like. You have to manually confirm each of these purchases. Let's say the phone will ring, you answer it, and a list of items comes up. You select whether you want each one to be purchased or not by simply pushing the Yes or No keys and going through the list.

    After a few more weeks of use, you move the phone to the next phase of trust. Now, the phone is (hopefully) smart enough to seperate your purchases into categories -- like stuff that you buy on a regular, recurring basis stuff that's not so predictable. For example, the phone learns that you take your family to the same restaurant every Friday night, and that this behavior has been occuring for the past 29/30 weeks. Now, because of its additional freedom, it would call in a reservation, but at the same time, it would also ring to display a message "I have placed a reservation for 3 people at the Happy Geeks restaurant, at 7pm Friday night. If you would like me to cancel this appointment, press No now or cancel it from the Orders menu within 24 hours." Meaning, it automatically placed the order for you, but you're still able to override it within a certain timeframe if you're so inclined.

    At this stage, the more unpredictable purchases will still require confirmation. Let's say you go to the movies every other Saturday night, but you watch a different movie every time (which is completely normal), but this pattern of behavior has only occurred 4 times out of the past 12 weeks. That's still a rather "habitual" event, but not as certain as the Friday dinners. In this case, the phone would still confirm it:

    "Would you like to see a movie this Saturday? Here's a list of what's available at your favorite theater from 7pm to 10pm:
    0. NOT INTERESTED - CANCEL
    1. Nemo Almighty - 7:10pm
    2. 2 Dumb 2 Furious: When Harry Got His Car - 8:20pm
    3. X-Men Reloaded - 7:10pm"

    Eventually, it would learn what genre of movies you prefer -- if any -- which critics' reviews you trust the most, what your favorite actors/writers/directors are, and recommend a movie for you based on that. Like "I have reserved a ticket for you for a showing of Lady of the Rings at 9:20pm, Saturday. If you'd rather see another movie or none at all, press No now or do so from the Orders menu within the next 12 hours."

    After years of use, when the phone (or perhaps your user profile, if it needs to be migrated from one generation of phones to the next) truly "understands" you, it might have access to say, 5000 dollars instead of 50. At this point, if you really trust it enough (most people probably wouldn't, so this phase is entirely optional), you would allow it to use all of that money (at least on certain categories of items) that cannot be reversed. Say you've been bidding on a fine piece of art on eBay for the past 6 days, and when you've been outbid, you always incremeted your bid by $100. The current bid is $4150, and 20 seconds before the close of the auction, the phone connects to the net and checks the status: You've been outbid by 50 dollars, at the current price of $4200. The phone, knowing that you've constantly raised your bids over the past 6 days, determines that you must really want the item

  84. the usuall... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in soviet russia... cellphone drives you!

    um, I can't think of a cluster joke...

  85. well lad... by zogger · · Score: 1

    ... the obvious question..which phones DON'T break? What make/models of phones do you sell that never or hardly never get returned? That's the phone to buy then it would seem. Next question, which of those have decent batteries? That's always been my major complaint, the $%^*) batteries,finally they just won't hold a charge, then when you need a new battery they cost as much as a new phone.

    And with all that said, I'd like a phone that doubles(with some sort of switch I guess) to a FRS channeled walkie talkie, then maybe just was a regular multiband receiver, so you can listen to your fav shows/music whatever. I like that sort of action more than a portable bad quality computer with a dinky screen and a keyboard you need a magnifying glass to use.. A lot of times I actually use them things working outside all the time, pain in the tush to carry 3 seperate devices, and there's no need to involve some telco network deal just to talk to your friend working closeby. Wonder if they make such a critter?

    1. Re:well lad... by davebarz · · Score: 1

      Nextel is all of the above, although we don't carry them. Of the ones we carry, they all suck equally. The answer is not "Buy brand x because it is better," but rather "Buy whatever you want and spend $50 extra on a extended warranty plan that will give you new phones in perpetuity.

  86. great gift for men! by spike+it · · Score: 1

    i can already see this device buying chick flick movie tickets for men who enjoy action movies. wives across the nation will be ecstatic!

  87. We have been warned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Red Dwarf.

    Artificial Intelligence Toasters. "How about a nice hot muffin ?"

    And then there's the one about the drunk and his A.I. footwear...

    We have been warned.

    Maybe if, someone invented cellphones with A.I. that offed hare-brained jokers about to stuff another idiotic decision usurping pseudo-A.I. into cellphones ?

  88. dev null by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    What lives ?

    Be serious.
    You call that living ?

  89. Youre late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Actually, in my country, we destroyed government long ago. And that's how we managed to survive as a society. Government is a collective fiction. Society is a living fact.

    Actually, we have the Inquisition to thank for it.

    Way back then, it taught everyone to get on with our lives and with each other as best we could (can), no matter what the shitheads who think they own us care to say or try to order us to.

    The place was big. Getting lost was easy. And any particularly obnoxious grandee could usually be fed to some of the former landlords, or other.

    Old news.

  90. Just what we all need. by fishexe · · Score: 1

    As the average American has so much trouble spending money fast enough, this is a much needed development in the lagging money-spending field.

    --
    "I don't care about the Constitution!" --Bill O'Reilly, November 17, 2009
  91. hmmm.... by fishexe · · Score: 1

    I'm more worried that the powers that be would hack my phone to buy me 5,743 copies of Battlefield Earth on DVD as punishment for speaking out against supporting invasive bill x.

    --
    "I don't care about the Constitution!" --Bill O'Reilly, November 17, 2009
  92. Cellular Provider Financial Access Act by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 1
    This convenient cell phone would create value for all kinds of consumers. I think the powers of this phone should be extended to allow it, without your permission and without even telling you, to gamble the money in your bank accounts through online gambling, and send the winnings (if any) to the phone company as a gift. Losses are, of course, incurred by the consumer, as this is only fair.

    A law, known as the Cellular Provider Financial Access Act (CPFAA) would be passed, similar to the DMCA but more restrictive to consumers and more flexible for corporations, which would require all cell phone customers to supply bank account information to their service providers for this purpose. This would definitely be "neat!"

  93. Proves the Design Principle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The smarter your technology is, the dumber you can be.

  94. Maybe not a good idea for other reasons... by Viqsi · · Score: 1

    Let's say I've been ordering a box of cigarettes every week like clockwork for a decade, and this phone is trained to recognize this.

    Now let's say I decide to quit smoking.

    --

    --
    viqsi - See "vixen"
    If we do not change our direction we are likely to end up where we are headed.
  95. mmm, capitalism by Eminor · · Score: 1

    In a unrelated story, big coporations say that in the future they will be able to forcast there revenues more accurately.

  96. Get to work by Eminor · · Score: 1

    And when lower and middle class people become drones they will be saying stuff like:

    "I go to work, do my mindless job. I didn't get an education because in the modern world lay people don't need to think anymore. The machine that THEY gave me does all my thinking."

    And the CEOs will be laughing histerically.

  97. missing the rent by Eminor · · Score: 1

    So now I can tell my landlord that my cellphone spent the rent money.

  98. Great news by le_jfs · · Score: 1

    Thank you, but I don't want my brain replaced by any silicon chip.
    It's not like I'm happy with it, but as time goes by, I get used to it.

    --
    main(char O){O++&&(((O-291)*O+27788)*O-868020?1:putchar(O++) )&&main(O);}
  99. Different issues by achurch · · Score: 1

    Money and E-mail are different beasts. If someone's E-mail doesn't get through to you, they can always contact you via a different method (this actually happened to me recently when one of my filters ran out of control--I got a call from my folks saying "what happened to your E-mail address?"... no big deal). But if your computer decides to spend money for you, you won't be able to go back later and say "oops, that wasn't me, that was my computer." This is the reason I always throw away those forms from the gas/electric/water company saying "use direct transfer, it's fast and convenient!"--it may be fast and simple, but it also keeps me from being able to check for any errors ahead of time. I've actually had cases where I was overcharged, and while I was eventually able to get my money back, it's not something I want to have to deal with, and I'll gladly forego the "convenience" of direct transfer if I can avoid such problems.

  100. This article by DirkDaring · · Score: 1

    Quote: "It might sound like a bankruptcy waiting to happen..."

    At least they got one thing right.

    Dirk

  101. In other news.... by pocketfuzz · · Score: 1

    Women's rights groups are holding joint meetings to develop a strategy to combat new technologies that could threaten to bring down the multinational female financial managment empire. In her call-to-arms against independent financial decision-making by males, one speaker reminded the audience that alternatives still exist. "We will fight this subversive, technology-driven initiative by male-owned corporations to side-step our control with every resource we can muster! Remember, even if this coup is successful, we can still withold sex!"

    --
    Bring on the asteroid
  102. Probably not a good idea... by pmz · · Score: 1

    For example, I get angry anytime a salesperson tries to tell me what I need. "Oh, you don't want to buy that level of insurance...what you really need is...." I'm sorry if your other customers have jelly-for-brains, but you have no place telling me what I want.

    Car salespeople can be really bad: (effectively) "You would be a stupid idiot for buying that Reasona TakeYouPlaces when you could buy the Expenso Bounce-a-Check. Only retarded losers buy anything from Reasona. Look, the Bounce-a-check comes with foot massage!"

    Imagine encoding these sales-losers into your BANK ACCOUNT! It's only a matter of time before these phones become tools for their marketing masters.