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Mandrake Linux 9.2 Hits the Street
joestar writes "Just announced at Mandrake's website, Mandrake 9.2 (FiveStar) has just been released. Mandrake Club members get full access to 9.2 ISOs (through BitTorrent), as well as... all 9.2 contributors and translators. But the best news, in addition to all (impressive) 9.2 features is that everybody can access the traditional binary & sources tree! Public release of Mandrake 9.2 ISOs will happen at the same time as Mandrake 9.2 Pack availability in retail. It makes sense."
These days, probably pretty damn fast. Check your search function.
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Is this the one that serves up ads during installation? (As long as the ads end after the install, I guess it's okay).
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Michael, is it possible that you stop being a jackass once in a while?
We don't care that you love debian, what does it have to do with Mandrake?
Put that in your journal, stop trolling offtopic stuff in your stories.
Don't see a press release on the Suse site. Where did you see this at?
C:\>
I was wondering what had become of Mandrake.
Now, if only Gentoo woudl release a version that would boot an IBM RS/6000 7025 F50 from a CD, I'd be happy.
CAn'T CompreHend SARcaSm?
I thought Mandrake Club had folded a while back,
Trolling is a art,
If by "streets", you mean the gilded hard drive pathways of MandrakeClub's paying members, then yes, Mandrake 9.2 has hit the streets. For the majority of the public you're talking a release in 1-2 weeks.
So I was a Mandrake user for the both the 7.x and 8.x series. I liked it a lot, but I also had quite a few crashes (usually KDE apps). I know lots of other people have had the same gripe about Mandrake in the past, i.e. that it was very nice, but pretty unstable.
Has Mandrake's stability improved in the 9.x series? I'd especially like to hear from folks who were testing the Cooker versions that became 9.2. Thanks.
Ripper: "Mandrake, have you ever seen a Commie use Windows?"
Mandrake: "No, Jack. I can't say that I have."
Ripper: "Linux. That's what they use, isn't it? Never Windows?"
Mandrake: "Well, I believe that's what they use, Jack. Yes."
Ripper: "On no account will a Commie use Windows? And not without good reason?"
Mandrake: "I don't quite see what you're getting at, Jack."
Ripper: "Windows. That's what I'm getting at. Windows, Mandrake. Windows is the source of our economy. Seven-tenths of the earth's economy depends on Windows. Why, do you realize that 95% of all computer users own or use Windows?"
Mandrake: "Odd."
Ripper: "And as human beings, you and I need fresh, regular Windows updates to replenish our precious Intel-based applications."
Mandrake: "Yes."
Ripper: "Are you beginning to understand?"
Mandrake: "Yes."
Ripper: "Mandrake. Mandrake, have you ever wondered why I use only Windows NT, or Windows XP, and only pure closed-source software?"
Mandrake: "Well, it did occur to me, Jack, yes."
Ripper: "Have you ever heard of a thing called the GPL, the GPL license?"
Mandrake: "Yes, I have heard of that, Jack, yes."
Ripper: "Well, do you know what it is?"
Mandrake: "No."
Ripper: "Do you realize that the GPL is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous Commie plot we have ever had to face?"
FYI I'm getting an average of about 20KB/sec with bittorrent. Certainly not lighting fast. Peak has been about 140KB/sec, low around 5KB/sec. Estimated total time about 17 hours.
Some of the members of Mandrake Club can't get the ISOs because they are behind "transparent" proxies set up by their ISPs. The reason is that MandrakeSoft is using the user's IP to allow the bittorrent download, but for people behind this proxies MandrakeSoft sees the proxie's address instead of the user's address and doesn't authorize the use of the bittorrent tracker.
This is happening to anyone using Spain's Telefonica ADSL. This covers almost everyone in Spain.
When his defense asked, "Which computer has Jon Johansen trespassed upon?" the answer was: "His own."
Suse Linux 9 hit the streets yesterday
No. It's 15th Oct. in Germany and 24th elsewhere (or at least in the US, according to suse.com)
This isn't exactly mandrake related, but Fedora test3 was also released. The torrent link is here
Should have OO 1.1, kernel 2.4.22, gnome 2.4 and some other fun stuff
It also got rid of a strange bug that Mozilla on 9.1 had on rendering some Japanese pages (maybe UTF related?).
It seems much faster and stable, overall. Also, OpenOffice 1.1 on totally ROCKS! (much faster! Handles Japanese perfectly!).9.2
I would hang out and tell you more, but I am in the process of installing bittorrent's gui so that I can install 9.2 from the website.
Later!
Sdelat' Ameriku velikoy Snova!
You have the most deficit in the history of the known universe and that M$ money is not going to fix that. Soon you'll not be able to afford buying Windows and you'll need yet another loan to afford it, or get with Linux.
The release page says that the Discovery Pack provides DVD playback! How can they do this without distributing something (illegaly) equivalent to DeCSS? Does it have a closed-source and commercial DVD player software?
So I just days ago, got my dad off of Windows and onto Linux by installing Mandrake 9.1 He got tired of the virii and security updates from Microsoft, the ad-aware spyware removal updates and the Norton AntiVirus updates when all he does is use the net to retrieve email.
Is there a simple way to upgrade or do I have to download the ISO's and reinstall (probably won't if that's the case)? I use OS X at home so I'm not sure how to upgrade a Linux box.
What would Lady Death Maggot do though? She uses Mandrake
Robby Russell
PLANET ARGON
Robby on Rails
One of the features that they cite is "File names can now be intuitively renamed", referring to clicking on the name slowly, ala Windows. Was right click -> Rename not intuitive enough?
If you want optimized, install gentoo instead. Contrary to popular belief, you don't actually have to compile everything. If you download the CDs for your architecture, you'll find that the included binary packages are compiled for your architecture alerady.
-- Stu
/. ID under 2,000. I feel old now.
You make technology decisions based on vague rememberings of something that you can't find evidence of?
Maybe you're thinking of the ads displayed during the install process rather than spyware? That's a pretty hefty accusation to be tossing around, even in a vaguely-worded statement such as yours.
Must be those big glitzy desktops? We build two flavors of Mandrake 9.1 boxes where I work --
Flavor #1 (monitoring station) has 8 monitors running IceWM, all 8 monitors peppered with X apps.
Flavor #2 (server) are rack mounted and only accessed via VNC servers. These boxes are LAMP setups and run Perl apps continuously.
Our uptimes reach 100 days easily, and then we have to reboot for power cord moves, rack changes, stupid stuff like that. We've never had to reboot a Mandrake 9.1 box in either of these configurations due to something wigging out.
Sounds like its dry-rot in your glitz factor.
I've had success installing Mandrake using the network install floppy. Here are some simple instructions, but the gist is that you download the network.img and note the location of a rpm mirror for when it asks you. It downloads a 45mb cramfs image and uncompresses it to memory so you should ideally have 90+mb of ram, or mount a swap partition from one of the other terminals.
I would recommend doing a very minimal install consisting of nothing but GNOME or KDE and any servers you wish to run. Then after the install, use urpmi to install any other packages. With 9.1 I would get lynx and use it to grab a list of mirrors from Easy Urpmi. I recommend using Texstar's repository whenever he starts packaging for 9.2. The page currently only has 9.1 and earlier sources, but expect people pestering him from this link to illicit an update.
I never used 7.x and 8.x, so I can't comment on that, but I Started with 9.0. 9.0 was usable, but barely; the MCC was crufty and a lot of it was generally crufty. When I used 9.1, that all changed; many of the wizards actually WORKED, and I was able to actually use everything for long periods of time without crashes. I'm using 9.2RC2 ATM, 9.2 final is downloading via bittorrent, and I have to say Mandrake has reached a level of refinement with 9.2. I upgraded from 9.1->9.2RC2, so I Don't know how the install process sets up a default install, but I will be trying it out on a new HD. I have been very happy with Mandrake since 9.1, and the club membership has been worth it (I love the test packages =)). However, I'm sure other distros will be fine for most people. Mandrake is nice because it is very usable now. Also, Gnome 2.4 is sooo much better than gnome 2.2, which helps us gnome users out quite a bit.
You'll have to answer to the coca-cola bottling company for that!
From: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/9.2/features/#13
Since Netscape and the last few remaining proprietary applications have been removed, Mandrake Linux 9.2 is a "100% Free Software" product. This means that everyone is granted the right to access the sources, modify and redistribute the software. This also means that Mandrake Linux 9.2 can be deployed on as many machines as desired.
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Why do the default UI's in Linux distro look so Windows 95? Why do they have to look all the same despite Redhats and Mandrake's custom themes? I know you can have funky bells and whistles if you want to customize but if you look at Windows XP out of the box it STANDS OUT and YELLS "I'm different!" (from previous versions of Windows). By the time we get up to spec on Windows XP's curved UI as a default UI, Longhorn will be about with its 3D user interface and Linux will be sporting the oh so old XP like GUI. What we need is a default skin or theme that is round like Aqua, that doesn't have an annoting "K" or footprint as the Start button. IANAD (Designer) but square start menus and frames just don't cut it anymore. Let INNOVATE rather than copy, I know there are some fantastic web designers out there that can do wonders with GIMP (etc) and plain HTML. Surely a UI isn't much more difficult?
You make technology decisions based on vague rememberings of something that you can't find evidence of?
Actually, i stopped using Mandrake some years ago due to its performance and the way it is laid out. I'm just not a RH or Mandrake person. Sorry.
But the idea of being served by ads in *any* part of the process turns me cold on ever looking at them again when i have so many other options, some of which serve my purposes quite well.
do() || do_not();
I use the command prompt, you insensitive clod.
that linux is a fourth level language.
At least here in Europe. Going to upgrade MDK 9.1 using ftp as soon as I get home.
I guess your sarcasm sensor is malfunctioning.
So if I join the club I get access to all the contributors and translators? Like, I can make them mow my lawn and stuff?
Karma: T-rexcellent.
Ah, but how about a CDROM network install image? Why don't they release that when fewer and fewer people still use floppies? Any way to burn the network.img to CD and boot from that?
Mandrake is nice and all..but not ideal for servers. Lady Death Maggot poll! Make her do evil stuff on her webcam.
Robby Russell
PLANET ARGON
Robby on Rails
They addressed this already.
It seems kind of slow due to slashdotting.
On a side note, this time the slashdot sensationalism really disapointed me. I've been eagerly checking Mandrake's site for a while now, I've got a computer that's waiting to have 9.2 installed on it. I'm waiting for the free download, then as soon as I'm sure I like it, I'll run out to buy a copy. Does anyone know if Best Buy will carry this one? I saw them with an older version years back.
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i'm using debian... is there anything you would suggest that would make me want to switch to gentoo, other than an optimized/lean system?
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Ok, Mandrake's site is running really slow, and I still have the window opened, so here's the text of their press statement:
A controversy has erupted today in the Linux community about the upcoming Mandrake Linux 9.2 and advertizing. Although the overall reaction from the community is mostly positive, a few people don't seem to be happy about having advertizing in Mandrake 9.2. We'd like to explain briefly why we have done this and why you shouldn't worry.
0) There won't be any ad in the screensavers in Mandrake 9.2
There will be one paid-ad in the installation procedure, and a few paid-links in bookmarks.
1) Ads are selected and won't be intrusive.
Our advertizing plan is only offered to MandrakeSoft partners - we select only ads that make sense as complementary Linux solutions. Additionally, ads won't be intrusive (no pop-up windows) and can be removed easily.
2) There have been ads in Mandrake Linux for years.
Maybe you didn't notice it, but in the installation procedure and in browser's bookmarks, there have been many links to Mandrake products, the GNU project, many Open Source projects and so on. In Mandrake 9.1 there was the first "commercial" link to a technical book content provider. Nobody was annoyed, we didn't get any feedback about that.
3) Free Software and business model.
As we are firmly committed to Open Source/Free Software, we want to keep on exploring business models that are compatible with this spirit.
This space for rent, inquire within.
Wait. You can't use Kazaa for this! It's legal to distribute it almost any way you want, so any P2P software is clearly wrong way here.
Yep, I am tired of getting the dreaded pink slashdot screen (DPSS), after hitting several times F5 it loads the page correctly (weirdly developers.slashdot.org is the hardest to bypass) /. bans spain? /. ban on spain lame /., one of the addresses listed in the DPSS, but to no avail , the /. admin want me to contact my adsl proxy administrator and from there the Telefonica "techies" (another joke) and /. admin resolve the matter, what a JOKE any one in Spain will LOL at that thought, its impossible to talk to any one in Telefonica, they have a monopoly and frankly they dont care about each users because they know we CANT switch)
Why
Yep I know my evil "isp" hijacked the internet and put a transparent firewall but I CANT switch "isp" there is only one "real" adsl provider in spain Telefonica, the other ones are resellers of the same product.
(I tried once emailing
So club members download the ISOs. How long until someone makes a torrent for the rest of us?
C'mon guys, we're waiting.
PS. Yes, we should all support our favorite distros, but some of us support many projects, some in ways other than just joining their club or buying their boxed releases.
check out this mandrake user guide my friend wrote
http://mandrakeuser.cjb.net/
my blog
Mandrake does not include spyware or adware you doof.
They sold ads for the installation screens (which can, at least pre 9.2, I'm still downloading 9.2 like everyone else in the club) you could toggle the "consumer friendly" installed to a more advanced once that showed packages/progress instead, so no big deal.
They sell ads on the default homepage, so change it if you don't like it.
Other than that, please back up your claims that Mandrake, which is 100% free in the speech department now, has anything else.
If you _really_ don't like it, download the sources, remove any ads you don't like, compile your own build, and have fun fapping away at whatever pictures you put in place of it.
Please send all UCE to scally@devolution.com so I can f
yeah, it yells "i'm trying to copy a different version of MacOS from the other versions of windows!". pity it doesn't yell "i've actually learned something from MacOS, unlike the other versions of windows!".
myself, i don't much give a damn what a GUI looks like or what other GUIs it may or may not resemble; i care whether or not a GUI works and lets me do my job. by this standard, gnome and kde are both decent-to-good, windows is so-so at best, and macos is good to excellent. i might use a mac if the hardware was affordable, and/or if the most recent versions weren't going downhill in usability even as they're finally fixing their worthless-junk underlying OS problems.
Yeah! No one does that with when the topic is Microsoft.
No, it wasn't intuitive enough. The more commands that can be moved elegantly in the UI itself, and out of the right-click list, the better. A list may be handy, but it is not an elegant solution.
Surely a UI isn't much more difficult?
Yes. Yes it is. And stop calling me Shirley.
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Innovate? Stand out? Do you even know what you're talking about?
Many, many people absolutely hate the "candy cane" XP GUI. The first thing a lot of people do after they have installed XP is to *switch back to classic mode*! They say it's annoying as hell, and I agree with them. It was cute for the first 25 minutes but after that, it started to distract me, so I turned it off.
And if you have spend more time reading the comments, you'll find out that many, MANY people hate themed GUIs. Themed video players come in mind. They just want a simple and clean user interface without all sorts of colors distracting them! And some people think flat themes look more professional and less obtrusive.
Flat, clean, simple, unobtrusive "Windows 95-ish" themes are better for usability! People want to get stuff done, not looking at candy all day!
Sorry but you are severely overrating Windows's GUI. It ain't that great. I much prefer the "Windows 95-ish" Bluecurve theme over Luna.
And you are associating "old" with "bad", and "new" with "innovation". That's plain wrong.
google turns this up at #1
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/torrent/
I totally agree. Part of my job is UI design and I have to say, until linux distro's start comming out with a familiar, improved UI, people aren't going to use linux. It's part of the reason I don't use it. Of course I understand how to use it...I've done small scale unix and linux coding...but do I enjoy using it? Not really. Sure, I don't enjoy a lot of things about Windows either, but I can shortcut my way to oblivion. Half of the stuff is automated and, while I like to control my machine as much as the next nerd, my computer is so much more powerful than what I really need at this point that speed and raw performance isn't an issue. Now, there are quite a few excellent Linux skins out there. They turn the operating system from something usable to something that I would even call practical. I, like the rest of society, have been brainwashed my MS. It's not that they've mastered the UI...it's that Windows has been shoved down our throats and, therefore, we're used to it. Why reinvent the wheel or, in this case, why learn something new when what we already have works fine? There's monetary reasons. There's legal reasons. There's even moral reasons. ...and tell that to your mom, dad, neighbor, friends, etc....well, you're likely to get the stinkeye. Whatever dude, Windows comes on my computer and I don't have the time to screw around with learning something new as a "hobby." Comes on their computer? Hobby? Ouch, those are fighting words for the opensource community...a group of people who deadicate their free time to giving the world a free, better alternative to corporate Windows. When in the past 50 years have you seen the hippies, PETA, etc. win? You really haven't, and that's what people see open source as.
Anyways, enough with the rant. In short, mimic Windows except make it hip. Take example from popular software. Napster was a sentation, although it was one of the worst fileshare programs out there. It was hip though! VW bug's and golf's sell through the roof when, in actuality, they have some of the highest defect rates among manufacturers now. People buy iPod's when there's cheaper solutions. Make an image, make Linux cool. Heck, DONT EVEN CALL IT LINUX...get around the stigma of Linux and people might come.
The scene is a great thing; however, I think for it to go anywhere you're going to have to have a few imaginative souls to take it to that next level, not just a few programming wiz kids.
Wise men say, "Forgiveness is divine, but never pay full price for late pizza."
i guess that's why there's a choice in the open source world. i'm a gentoo user myself, but i completely understand Mandrake's move to use advertisements in the install process and in screen savers. you've gotta pay the bills to keep dedicated people on staff and such. gentoo
To me the WinXP interface stand up and yells:
"I'm f*cking Fisher Price Windows, you penguin f*cker"
the first thing I did when I had to work on and XP box was figure out how to turn off the obscenely silly new window colours/decorations. Then it was vaguely usable.
Please send all UCE to scally@devolution.com so I can f
So....Why make a post here about how you won't touch it due to vaguely remembered spyware issues, when the real reason is performance and layout(which, I might add, have probably improved significantly since last you used Mandrake)?
Makes it seem like you're just trolling or otherwise wanting to start an argument.
You may think you're cool for posting in french but what you wrote don't make much sense. The translation program you used is really fucked up.
"System overview Mandrake Linux 9.2 features the following software: Apache 2.0.43, Samba 2.2.8a, MySQL 4.0.15, ProFTPD 1.2.8, Postfix 2.0.13, OpenSSH 3.6.1p2" Postfix 2.0.13, and no sendmail to be found (altho I only quickly looked at it). I don't know if this is the version version of mandrake that comes with postfix instead of sendmail, but this is great. Postfix is so much easier to configure then sendmail. And the little detail of the sendmail security history... All in all, this is a great choice imho.
[Sorry for the dupe, i messed up the thread] :( /. bans spain? /. ban on spain lame /., one of the addresses listed in the DPSS, but to no avail , the /. admin want me to contact my adsl proxy administrator and from there the Telefonica "techies" (another joke) and /. admin resolve the matter, what a JOKE any one in Spain will LOL at that thought, its impossible to talk to any one in Telefonica, they have a monopoly and frankly they dont care about each users because they know we CANT switch)
Slashdot.org bans Spain
Yep, I am tired of getting the dreaded pink slashdot screen (DPSS), after hitting several times F5 it loads the page correctly (weirdly developers.slashdot.org is the hardest to bypass)
Why
Yep I know my evil "isp" hijacked the internet and put a transparent firewall but I CANT switch "isp" there is only one "real" adsl provider in spain Telefonica, the other ones are resellers of the same product.
(I tried once emailing
...And I'm glad I went back, because I've been looking for a well-implemented Multi-Network Firewall product that can be deployed for free (as in no money) for a couple of my non-profit clients. Certainly, the for-profits don't mind spending $1000+ on a good firewall software package, but the non-profits (a charity and a church) have need for something like this, but simply can't afford a non-open-source package. Hoorary for Mandrake!
I've already renewed my Mandrake Club membership, and if you appreciate the work they do, you should think about doing so as well.
Who did what now?
Are you serious? Or are you just trolling..
Anyway: There are many *high quality* themes for download on sites such as kde-look.org and art.gnome.org which offer themes that are IMHO *far* superior to the cludged, butt-ugly Luna theme Windows XP ships with. These include so-called meta-themes which provide the right images for Gnome and KDE apps, as well as apps with their own theming engine such as XMMS and Mozilla/Epiphany/Firebird/...
I personally prefer the nice and clean themes RedHat and Mandrake have been producing their last few releases over the 'round' Aqua buttons any day. When I see a new RedHat install I can correctly assume that the 'underscore'-button minimises the window, the 'box'-button resizes it and the cross closes it. I wouldn't know what the green-yellow-red buttons on Os X stand for.
On designing a UI: this *is* in fact not as easy as it seems, and certainly not as easy as designing a nice and clean website. Believe me, I have created some Linux themes, and have not yet released any of them to the public, simply because I don't think they're good enough.
Of course, you're always welcome to design your own theme and provide it to the community.
For a distribution that claims to have the "latest and most up-to-date" software, I'm very unimpressed with some of the software that's included. Here's a couple of examples:
No Samba 3.0.
No KDE 3.2.
"When the president does it, that means it's not illegal." - Richard M. Nixon
Releases happen between the time they finalize everything for GM release and the time of the actual release?
CAn'T CompreHend SARcaSm?
Are they going to be releasing 9.2 as a single DVD? :-)
That would rock to just have to pop in 1 DVD and go to bed
http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/ftp.php3#586
There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
This is Mandrake 9.2. It's obviously better.
Actually when you hover over the bottons (or near them an "X" a "-" and a "+" appear.
Also if you haven't figured it out.
Red = stop (close the app)
Yellow = caution (minimzise the app or halfway between green and red)
Green = go (maximize)
They are relying on tried and true GUI design - knowledge in the head vs. knowledge in the system. Knowledge in the head is stuff you you know and can relate to without reading about it.
Apple implemented both unintrusive "knowledge in the world" and "knowledge in the head."
...And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me." - Martin Niemoeller (1892-1984)
And as that its probably a little better then sid (or the same, or worse..). I love it because it has all the latest greatist new geewiz stuff.
Personally I'd say the most stable release was 8.2, so maybe the 9.2 will be too. I've been using the 9.2 beta for about a month now and its been pretty good so far (but I can't wait for more packages to become available for it!).
Mandrake is great for those of us who want a cutting edge computing. Probably the best thing for the server yet.
Quack, quack.
Here's a nickel, buy a clue. They aren't charging for iso's. They're charging for the privilege of:
1) Deciding what to include in the distro through RPM voiting
2) The ability to download iso's before the general public.
3) Lot's of other features and benefits like discounts on software.
ISO's will be available on ftp servers for free when the software ships.
Don't you think it make sense to reward those people that actually contribute money to the developers?
If they're screwed up enough to charge for access to the isos, find a better distro.
Oh no! God forbid that a company would actually want to recooperate some of the money the spend on bandwidth and development!
There's nothing wrong with what they're doing. The ISO's can legally be mirrored by anyone who wants to mirror them. Making the ISO's initially available only to club members just provides them with a few extra dollars to pay the bills.
But I guess that's wrong. So tell me, what is this great job you have where you work without getting paid for no better reason than to help others?
You can use mkisofs to create an .ISO file from any boot floppy:
mkisofs -b bootfloppy.img -c boot.catalog -o bootcd.iso
The file bootcd.iso can be burned to a CD using your favourite CD burning software.
However, there are some caveats regarding ramdisk creation. See the file README.eltorito in the mkisofs documentation for details.
I know you're trolling, but I'll respond. CDE isn't that bad as far as looks, but it's a horrible for stability. I know, I use it on a day-to-day basis. I'm a rebel around my parts, everyone else around here actually uses OpenWindows. [[shudder]]
No it means :
Mandrake linux 9.2 is a distribution made for people who as to obtain toward the high of buttocks of strange losers. It takes 20 minutes for that to copy a 17 MB folder. Almost as bad as the OS of the raincoat (1). If the "youre" (2) searching a decent distro, please try (3) the red edition of the hat's "moron" (4).
(1) "imper" is a colloquial abbreviation for "impermeable" which means raincoat.
(2) the translation program wasn't able to translate this typo (youre instead of you're)
(3) There was a mistake here that cannot be translated in english. "Essayent" means try as in "they try". If the meaning is "you try" then the word should be "essayez".
(4) in french the word moron doesn't exist and should have been translated with "cretin".
I'm a long time Mandrake user who loaded 8.2 on my (home) server; it's been solid so I've left it running.
With the 9.2 comming out, I figured it was time to upgrade. Interestingly, when I went to find all those spiffy docs pages that I used to set up and configure my 8.2 set-up it turns out they are now all "hidden" behind the walls of the pay-to-play "club" website.
This really bothers me; it seems completely opposit of what the open source movement is about. Convoluted really - "Have a free bottle of beer, but we'll charge you for sitting and talking with your friends..." or perhaps "Here's the source code, but I have to charge you to talk about it..." I can respect the need for MandrakeSoft to make money, but I can say this hasn't increased my desire to become a club member. It's just so .. slimy ..
Even Mirosoft lets users access their technical info database without cost.
"Can he resist clicking on the bright, candy-colored window?"
"NO, I CAAAAAAN'T!"
Seriously, what's so great about the garish blue and red window dressing on Windows XP, and aren't you just suggesting imitation at a higher level of indirection? (Be innovative...just like Windows XP!)
Here's a nickel, buy a clue.
Here's your nickel back. You'll need it to buy a sense of humor.
I'm not a prophet or a stone-age man,
I'm just a mortal with potential of a super man.
I'm one of those students behind the University of Florida's ICARUS system (metioned here)
and they've blocked bit torrent since it acts like a server and could be used to spread copyrighted things. I am also a member of Mandrake Club, but at the moment it looks like all they have avaliable is Bit Torrent downloads. Does anyone know when it'll be avaliable for download off FTP?
troll-troll troll-troll..
I confess that I have been guilty of using Mandrake software in the past without ever paying. Since we use RedHat at work, I have been switching over home machines from Mandrake to RedHat, and actually forked out a big $60 to RedHat for their annual support.
Years ago, I switched from RedHat to Mandrake for its ease of installation and update, but I was pleasantly surprised to find that now RedHat is also quite easy to install and update.
Hmmm, the official Mandrake documentation is available to all, club member or not. So, too, is the troubleshooting information located in the forums. There is a club member only section called documentation for tips and tricks, but it's not from Mandrake but from other club members (so it would never have been included in 8.2 anyway).
The installation and user documentation is available for free from the "docs" link on the club site and it is also included in the distro itself.
In short, the documentation is still freely available, to those who support Mandrake and those who do not. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that since you've chosen not to support Mandrake by becoming a member (because it's so slimy) that you will be supporting them by ordering a boxed set.
Joeb
p.s. Microsoft does not let users access ALL their technical info database without cost. We pay a hefty subscription to get detailed info that isn't available on their "free" website.
Um, KDE 3.2 is ALPHA software.
Why should Mandrake ship alpha software on the desktop?
As I'm downloading it right now, I'm wondering however if releasing to everybody through bittorrent wouldn't have been a better choice, as that would imply faster downloads for club members as well ...
The Raven
If you're really happy with Debian, then not really.
Gentoo has portage which is pretty much the same as apt. The big different between Debian and Gentoo is that under Gentoo you'll be compiling all your software specifically to your specs. This has advantages other than just compiling to your specific processor.
Gentoo's portage tree is also a bit more up to date then Debian's.
If you have a fast machine, it might be worth switching just to check it out. If you have a slow machine though, stick with Debian.
Mandrake added spyware and adware to their releases
Says the anonymous coward....
The only way forward is an online software distribution and management system such as Portage: now your distro hits the streets every day.
My distro gets updated every day too, via urpmi, and it *is* Mandrake (cooker).
A distro that offers KDE 3.1.3 or lower is by definition old. I want the latest and greatest
Oh, you want the latest *number*, you don't actually care about the software then? Mandrake's KDE-3.1.3 has most of the bugfixes from the 3.1 tree that were available a week before 3.1.4, and you would notice that most KDE apps actually have 3.1.4 as the version number.
But all you care about is the version number on the package.
Seriously, I love debian, adore it. I'm going back from RedHat 9 to sarge/sid this month. But I still think that's uncalled for.
About 95% of what I do is in xterm, and I have plenty of control of colors and font in there. You apparently have a different idea of "not ugly" than I do. I don't need gradients or shadows or pretty menus. I need to do WORK, and have it not hurt my eyes, since I do it 40 hours a week.. By those standards, it's fine.
Well, then, for those wanting to download the entire tree...there you go...
There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
Shrike freshrpms weighing in at 300meg...
Because the sauce is just so much better when it's red...
A slashdotting - you get the stick first and then the carrot !
lol, yeah, someone forgot their tags today...whoops :)
Wise men say, "Forgiveness is divine, but never pay full price for late pizza."
I'd like to ask Mandrake users: does it hurt to hit the street? And does the street hit back?
Jokes aside, but if all those release bumps still hurt you by pushing for re-installation, please consider the distro with which you will be always up to date without any hitting the street.
Less is more !
Hazzah! Well played, Anonymous Coward!
Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
Granted certain themed media players suck, but thats only a usability issue not a gui issue. Winamp 2 can have skins, and its IMHO a hell of lot better than Winamp 3. Likewise with WM9, its bloated GUI sucks it down IMHO.
I'm not a club member, so I've been trying to do a network install using the "raw tree" mirrors. However (when I find one that isn't full) it says it's Mandrake 9.2 Cooker? And when it gets to the step where it downloads available packages it fails. I must have tried at least 6 different mirrors and get the same thing each time. Anyone else get this? Are none of the mirrors updated yet?
http://evoketv.com - TV Listings 2.0
They tend to make fun of Microsoft releasing another OS every few years (95, 98, ME in 2000, Win2k, WinXP in 2001, Windows 2k3). But they also seem to blatently ignore all the 'point' releases (which seems really insane in the case of Apple, which makes you pay for the point release upgrades).
Now Im not going to say that they shouldnt upgrade or improve their product- quite the opposite. In the real world things need to be built and then improved over time.
My question, then, is why is it good for one OS but bad for another? Is it just a blind, rabid hatred of everything Microsoft? Or is it just habitual complaining?
Manipulate the moderator system! Mod someone as "overrated" today.
Yeah, I thought about that after I posted. I tend to be very literal when I'm reading.
I'm still pondering the idea of going silver with them, just to contribute to the cause, but...well, I'm broke.
This sig no verb.
Even when the FTP servers are getting hammered I can get better rates than this, usually under 2 hours for a complete CD ISO.
I WANT MY OC-3!
This is not the sig line you are looking for... -- Old Jedi Sig Line Trick
> Funny then that this download is only for paying memembers. Like some others have pointed out, public Bittorent link please.
I suggest you read Stallman on the subject. If any of the paying members want to set up their own servers hosting it, they're Free to do so. If they don't, tough - Mandrake are well within their rights. Besides, as has been pointed out elsewhere, the distro is available for anyone to download - it's just the ISOs which are currently limited to Mandrake Club members.
Normally I ignore spelling errors, but I wanted to point this one out because I found it particularly entertaining.
God forbid that a company would actually want to recooperate some of the money the spend on bandwidth and development!
So, they would cooperate again some of the money? ;) I think you were looking for recuperate.
Like what I said? You might like my music
Windows XP's interface is garish I agree, its not fantastic. I just used it as a well known example. I look at modern kde/gnome distros and just think Windows 95 lookalikes. I think we need some sort of commonality with Windows (i.e. a start bar), but need the sort of layout like an enhanced afterstep. Developers may say they like the current GUI's because they get the job done. IMHO punters and going to want something more, especially if its to wow them in the face of Apple and Microsoft GUIs which appear out of the box to be more striking. As a developer I often find between revisions of programs people say "oh nothing's changed" yet I may well have re-written the entire engine behind it. Likewise with Linux, the punters are only going to sit up and take notice if they are startled immediately by the way it looks or some wizzy visual fetaures.
Free != free.
Once you've paid for it, you can do anything with it (within the GPL's limitations) - including re-selling it to someone else, or putting it up for free download via BitTorrent. If someone puts it up for free download, you can get it - perfectly legally - for free.
Mandrake also has the freedom NOT to provide it to anyone who hasn't paid, as long as the source is included with the binaries they're selling.
Software wants to be free. Unfortunately, bandwidth does not.
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
None of the above. I think the word in quetion is 'recoup' - no 'erate'. It's an interesting mistake though, since recuperate means to regain health ...
free links and ftp mirros will show up in time, its just that they are giveing the mandrakeclub meber as bit of a headstart, thats all. and i see nothing bad in that as the members help fuel the mandrake engine...
oh anf GPL != "free beer", its clearly stated that you can take payment for any media, packaing or whatever, you only have to enable the customer to access the source in some way (be it giveing out free ftp access to source, or maybe putting a printed copy of the source into a book in the box).what you cant do is the microsoft way and license the number of installs (or maybe you can not realy sure)...
comment first, facts later. http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/RelativityofWrong.htm
There is nothing to prevent a BitTorrent recipient redistributing it. But it cheapens our personal investment in MandrakeClub and our belief in supporting MandrakeSoft though that club if we take our paid-for priveleges and just hand them over to anyone who asks.
You'll have your free Mandrake 9.2 ISO files. You'll have them in a couple of weeks like all the others who can not or will not support Mandrake through the club or by contributing to the development of the Mandrake distribution.
I put up my $120 / year for Mandrake. Where's yours?
when someone made a macosx lookalike skin for kde he/she (i belvie i read it was a woman but not sure) got a letter/mail from apple threatening to sue.
as for square menus and buttons, most likely its a limit based on either qt or xfree (or both).
oh and take a look at karamba:)
comment first, facts later. http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/RelativityofWrong.htm
I am booting my system using boot floppy. My BIOS boot loader cannot boot from the hard-disk after I installed a second hard-disk.
I did an upgrade from 9.0 to 9.1. Mandrake installation of 9.1 did not create a valid boot floppy for me when I installed. So I was basically screwed by the upgrade. So I had to revert back to 9.0 installation which faithfully creates a bootable floppy everytime.
Now you tell me there is a 9.2 version?
I've bought the 7.1 and 8.0 powerpacks, and I'd consider the 9.2 powerpack, but you should get at least some form of club membership (silver for 6 mos, for example) when you buy the box set.
> If you're not sure of the package name, you can
s rather messy and unfinished right now, though. :)
> search with "urpmi -y name", which will give you
> a list of related packages.
You could alternatively do the following:
urpmf --summary -i someprogram | sort -u
This will list all programs out there in the RPM databases that are called someprogram (actually, it'll also list programs with someprogram in the summary) and provide a one-line summary. The sort part just puts it in alphabetical order and gets rid of duplicate entries if it so happens that the program is listed in more than one RPM database.
I use the following command to list available program categories:
urpmf --group . | sed s/^.*:// | sort -u
(it returns a rather big list, so I hope that your term/console can scroll up and down)
And here's how you install every single available application from the "Emulators" category:
urpmf --group Emulators | sed s/:.*$// | xargs urpmi --no-verify-rpm
I'm putting together some sort of quick reference to all this at:
http://www.jc-news.com/linux/urpmi.html
It'
> And to upgrade everything, do "urpmi --auto-select",
> hit yes a couple of times and give it a while.
I recommend:
urpmi --auto-select --auto --no-verify-rpm
That way it won't prompt you to hit anything. It'll just do it all automatically.
Lately, I have:
urpmi.update -a
and:
urpmi --upgrade --auto-select --auto --no-verify-rpm
in my crontab (scheduler) file, set to run daily. The first command makes sure that my RPM database (the list of programs offered for download online) is up to date. The second command installs all recommended programs from any source tagged as an "upgrade" source.
So far, daily auto-updates have not annihilated my computer. I have had only two problems:
1) when I added the non-official Texstar rpm source and ran:
urpmi --auto-select --auto --no-verify-rpm
the system upgraded my version of X to some special crapola that killed my ATI All-in-Wonder RADEON drivers. I learned how to use links really quickly, then I reinstalled everything.
2) doing upgrade media on Mandrake Cooker (not unofficial, but normal users aren't supposed to use the Cooker sources unless they're expert types) upgraded my ATI All-in-Wonder RADEON drivers from the ones I installed last month to ones from a few months back. Grrr. I lost TV input from that, and I had to manually copy the correct driver files over.
You'll note that both problems involve ATI. They suck. I mean, seriously. ATI made my life a living hell. Don't even ask me about the nightmare that I had with their drivers on Win2k....
--
-JC
Try to imagine an accountant, an auditor and finally a tax inspector looking over that 'Mandrake Club' line for 'professional services' in the books. While the name is catchy and goes well with the yellow-star-on-night-blue-background theme, I would advise the company to choose a more business-like name for future products.
Flourescent (adj): smelling like ground wheat.
"Can he resist clicking on the bright, candy-colored window?"
Don't Touch it! It's the History Eraser Window you fool!
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I personally like Windows XP's Luna theme very much. I do detest the annoying search dog, but I very much like the general look of Windows XP. I don't find it distracting: just pretty.
I've seen Windows XP in classic mode, which isn't bad either, but I still prefer Luna over Classic.
Its interesting to see different peoples' reactions to GUIs. I used to work with a guy who simply hated GUIs, regarding them as a waste of CPU power. He was always working in command-prompt windows and at home he had some ancient distribution of Linux without any GUI whatsoever. He was completely disgusted to see Microsoft add that shadow under the mouse cursor, which started with Windows 2000. He regarded it as a disgusting waste of CPU cycles.
I, on the other hand, really like that shadow effect. Oooh, shiny!
Things started out at around 20K/s before jumping to a massive 290K/s where it has stayed for about the past half an hour (its just hovered up to 310K/s which is probably faster than I want it to go). My upload rate has also been high hovering between 40K/s and 60K/s. The estimated time until completion is now just under 2 hours.
I'm kind of curious as to how BitTorrent works these days though. In the past it used to allocate space for all the files you were downloading before it started transfering the files but at the moment it appears to be growing only the the file for the first CD.
One thing though - where are the md5sums?! I know bittorrent technically doesn't need them since it checksums files anyway but I like to be doubly sure. Are these correct?
Debian specialises in old, but very stable packages.
Gentoo 'stable' is a little bit back from bleeding edge; 'unstable' is bleeding edge, you can even easily use cvs versions as part of the package install system.
So if you like to install packages as part of the main portage tree, dependencies included, a day or two after release, gentoo is for you.
The user support community on the gentoo forums is the best I've seen for any distro, bar none.
Yes, compiling is involved for upgrades, but you just nice it and leave it in the background, and on a half decent machine (1 gig upwards) you don't even notice its running with modern kernel scheduling.
In the end of the day, if you want a very up to date setup, with the ability to easily tweak and fiddle (with lots of advice to backup), and have a reasonable machine, I'd recommend gentoo.
If you want a machine with a very long uptime, low memory/cpu/drive space footprint and a good binaries package system, stick with debian. Obviously Mandrake, redhat and suse etc also have their own niches.
Remember kids, it's all fun and games until someone commits wholesale galactic genocide.
This is a bit strange but club memebers are normally sent a mail informing about important things but somehow they were haven't been informed about the torrents so far. Also the club website doesn't say anything about torrent links (atleast not teh memebers site). Which is probably why the download speed is still very low on bittorrent.
What's under yellowstone?
Although as has been pointed out elsewhere, the irony in this situation is that the more people are downloading and sharing the file, the more bandwidth is available for download.
++ Say to Elrond "Hello.".
Elrond says "No.". Elrond gives you some lunch.
Please. It's true and informative and should be at least at score 2 like the parent.
I also computed the same md5sums off my download to confirm... I havn't seen official numbers for this yet.
Here are my md5sum results.
40c8812dce7b9f8fb0a3b364af62b974 MandrakeLinux-9.2-17-Download-1.i586.iso
e07fe7b1474eb3ba35cac3dfd479777e MandrakeLinux-9.2-18-Download-2.i586.iso
2b6ffc5957533c927f14197ec99a0372 MandrakeLinux-9.2-19-Download-3.i586.iso
Gibraltar is a Debian-based CD firewall distribution. It is freely available and I use it on several boxes. There is supposed to be an upcoming version with a web interface that will cost around $100.
"I assumed blithely that there were no elves out there in the darkness"
I don't mind anyone improving their work. What I mind is being kept from making my own improvements (or having the opportunity to have improvements made for me), distributing those improvements to my friends, making copies of software, and running programs any time I want. Hence, I view all proprietary software as a problem, not just Microsoft Windows. Proprietary software is a significant part of the way in which proprietors push for control over your data and how you use your computer (i.e., DRM, forced upgrades, prevention of reverse engineering, just to name a few).
Microsoft Windows happens to be some of the most widely used proprietary software available so it receives a lot of attention.
Digital Citizen
I was about to purchase a membership, when i noticed that KDE has no run command. Linux, without a run command? How else can i run the programs that i have compiled for the desktop without running the shell and launching it with a "&" at the end of it?
I might as well wait for version 10, where they finally start modifying the kde desktop and make it usable vs modifying the fonts and widget settings and leaving it for the most part a virgin.
Yeah, you think you can write anything stupid because you think no french-speaking person ever read Slashdot?
Well, you must be the moron. It is not even French, it is a ridiculous translation from a read bad translator.
You must have a lot of time to loose to insult Mandrake developpers and users in a language you obviously don't understant. I speak French (way better than Englis) and your post is real hard to understand.
--- Ouais, tu crois que tu peux ecrire n'importe quoi d'idiot parce que tu crois que personne qui lit Slashdot ne sait lire le francais?
Eh bien, tu dois etre epais. Ce n'est meme pas du francais, c'est une traduction ridicule d'un tres mauvais traducteur.
Tu dois avoir beaucoup de temps a perdre pour insulter les developpeurs et les usagers de Mandrake dans une langue que tu ne comprend evidemment pas. Je parle francais (beaucoup mieux que l'anglais) et ton message est tres difficile a comprendre.
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M an drake/
Exactly, Samba-3.0.0 is in the contrib section.
Also, Buchan Milne (the guy who packages Samba+LDAP for Mandrake) has already built Samba-3.0.0 for Mandrake 8.0, 8.1, 8.2, 9.0, 9.1 . See:
http://us3.samba.org/samba/ftp/Binary_Packages/
I belive that Buchan is the one who packaged Samba for MDK 9.2's contrib.
Peace!
I do in some ways agree. I think Galaxy and Bluecurve are rather drab as well, as are most of the Gnome themes. I just don't like the overabundance of grey that most of them have. But I think Keramik/Geramik do a fine job making a brighter more curved feel, without making it so much like Aqua or Luna that it's ripping either off.
Let INNOVATE rather than copy
That right there's is pretty tough. Apple's managed to actually do something new and different with OS X's look and feel, but they're about the only ones who have managed to do so for quite a long time. I think we've got at least a chance of seeing interesting stuff coming out of karamba though.
Everything will be taken away from you.
There must not be many people in mandrake club downloading it. It's a 2gb file and I've got 28 hours left, (started it around 2pm). Only gettin 10-15kBps though I've been uploading at 20024kB/s consistantly.
I do security
> This is happening to anyone using Spain's Telefonica ADSL. This covers almost everyone in Spain.
No offence, but there are much more options that Telefonica ADSL in Spain. There are at least other two big ADSL providers I can think of (Retevision, Wanadoo), and that's without counting all the cable companies that offer broaband. I know more people (with ADSL/Cable) that don't use Telefonica's services that people who do.
P.S. It's true that Telefonica is the biggest ADSL provider, though. I've never understood why people keep using Telefonica ADSL when it's usually more expensive and quite worse (because it's the biggest provider, their lines get saturated faster).
For a bad UI design just look at Pocket PC 2002/Windows Mobile 2003. A HUGE star bar that takes about 1/6 of the screen and to stop tasks you have to go through three windows and use a "Memory" program. No ctrl alt del here....
The higher the number, the newer it is, or am I completely wrong about this?
Then why don't you just run Windows 2003?
Modded to flamebait...because I advocated paying Mandrake some money for their efforts, which I support. Nice.
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Here are the Bit Torrent Links:
Disk 1
Disk 2
and here
This is where I found them.
...And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me." - Martin Niemoeller (1892-1984)
I am currently downloading Mandrake 9.2 as a Club Member (6pm45 GMT). It displays
Estimated time left: 46 hours 10min
Download rate: 8 KiB/s Downloaded: 39.4 M
Upload rate: 18 KiB/s Uploaded: 61.6 M
If the ratio 61/39 is higher than one does it mean that the number of downloaders is increasing or is this ratio linked to differential speed between downloaders.
Also the upload rate is higher than the download rate. What does it mean?
'Bit' torrent... heh, how apt. Atleast for what I'm getting. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting 2 k/s or LESS for the last 5 hours.. still 0%... 4meg out of 2045meg.... Umm.. Anyone know how to help here? I mean this seems a VERY poor way to download 3 full ISOs... Oh, and FYI I'm on T-1. Nope, no badwidth limits. I download full ISO's off FTP in 30 minutes or less... why can't they just give us an FTP? Jeeze...
--Mac "Nine point eight meters per second squared: The Best Damn Windows Accelerator, Ever."
If you insert the first CD while in Windows, the autorun says "Mandrake Linux 9.1" at the top...
This is fairly easy to catch and it made it to final!
This article is inaccurate, Mandrake Club members do not have full access to the ISO's, since they have only been released by as bittorrent downloads, which I can't because of our firewall here. If you are a mandrake club memeber and object to mandrake refusing to provide club members with a normal download, please sign the petition at http://www.PetitionOnline.com/mdkiso/