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LinuxWorld Moving to Boston
DMCBOSTON writes " LinuxWorld will be at the Hynes Auditorium in Boston, moving from NY in 2005." I'll be doing a Slashdot BOF at what I guess will now be the last New York LinuxWorld at the end of January 2004. I'll be sad to see this show move, as I always enjoy NY immensely, and seek any excuse to go there. Boston is a whole different story ;)
You know Chicago, Atlanta, Denver, and La would be places that would really benifit from having it rotate through? or how about simply Las Vegas?
the rest of the country would like to have it closer once in a while...
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Boston isn't such a bad choice. Ximian desktop is just one of several large open source projects are based in Boston, and I hear there is a good open source "following" there.
:) Anyone know of any large Linux expos that are forthcoming in the UK?
Won't make any difference for me though, because I am stuck here in the UK
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On the other hand, would it be a good idea to rotate the show among a number of cities in the US and elsewhere?
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There's nothing wrong with Boston.
And there's 30% less city-juice per square mile.
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Sure, Microsoft's based in Washington, but there are other operating systems found here.
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from the thats-really-to-bad dept.
CmdrTaco is really having problems with using "too" rather than "to" today!
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Erm, no. DMCBOSTON's text is in italics. CmdrTaco's addendum to the article is in normal.
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"But Apple Computer immediately threatened to boycott the event showcasing its products, putting the move in jeopardy. After hinting it might keep the show in New York after all, "
Sounds like they are just testing waters.
I have not been to a Linux show yet, however, if I had to choose, NY would be the place I'd like to go to one.
I'll throw this serious question out there...
What benefits does one get from these shows besides a good excuse to travel and meet others in the industry?
The Internet seems to have everything I need about Linux.
Seeing that it is NY vs Boston again, here goes...
Nomah is bettah!
Sig? What sig?
Ah yes, you are correct. I was too busy chuckling to myself to notice. Nevermind, all. :)
> Boston is a whole different story ;)
What, did you have a bad experience there? "You know how I feel about hell holes!" "That's when the chuds came at me..."
First MacWorld, now LinuxWorld? Is NY really that bad of a place?
>>I'll be doing a Slashdot BOF at what I guess ...
BOF?? Bastard Operator From.....Boston??
So rise up, all ye lost ones, as one, we'll claw the clouds.
What he said was in quotes. Ha!
And remember, the so-called "Chinatown bus lines" run between Boston and NYC for $10 a seat (one way). Pretty good if you live in NYC and want to go to Boston for LinuxWorld, but you don't have big $. It's a 4 to 5 hour trip depending on traffic.
It would allow those who may not be able to travel the width of the US the opportunity to get to a LinuxWorld.
And hopefully it would get some more dialogue happening between people who would not normally meet other than in a Linux Newsgroup or Forum.
How about having it in Milwaukee or Madison Wisconsin? Close enough that people from Minneapolis/St. Paul, Chicago, Milwaukee, and Madison could hit it. Plus, we never get any cool stuff here anyways.
Denver would be great. It's in the middle(ish) of the country so everyone would have to travel equally far to get to it. Except me, I can drive there in half an hour ;-)
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Other towns mentioned by posters, like Atlanta, or places like St. Louis, Detroit, Minneapolis/St. Paul, etc., are much more "pleasant" to my mind, if further from stuff like Broadway shows and such.
how about we hangout a bit, reading and editing slashdot together...i'll buy you a beer if you let me.
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Any reason not to have it in Canada. Accomodation is way cheaper than most US cities and Toronto is way cooler than most places (literally :))
My girlfriend is involved in event planning, and it's hard enough to plan an event that takes place in the same venue every year. Just changing the facility and keeping the same city is a headache.
Between the venue's contracts, union woes and all the other issues, you really need people local to the area to avoid being gouged on price at every turn.
Moving to a new city every year is a cute idea, the the expense and the pain is not worth it. For large events, you'd want to be lining up the staff a t least a year and a half in advance.
Hell, I remember my girlfriends telling me about the pain from the last time Arisia tried to change the hotel they use!
Not pretty. Not pretty at all.
"Live Free or Die." Don't like it? Then keep out of the USA
Just in, news that LinuxWorld is forking. Following the Debian development model, LinuxWorld will henceforth be produced in three parallel versions.
LinuxWorld Stable ("Boston") will provide only the most tried and tested packages. We can recommend LinuxWorld Stable aka Boston to all those who need reliability and conformity above all.
Linux World Unstable ("Las Vagas") will provide early access to new packages. We can recommend LinuxWorld LV to those seeking the thrill of the unknown.
Finally, LinuxWorld Experimental ("Silicon Valley") hosts primarily vapourware packages that are best tried before the coke kick wears off. We recommend LinuxWorld SV to all regular users.
End of news flash.
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When you're in San Francisco, the whole country is "the east bay".
It's simple: I demand prosecution for torture.
I do not blame them for moving to Boston, even though it means that I will miss LinuxWorld next year. Let NYC rot in its own greed, I say....
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Ahhh, NYC snobbism. Way to go, I'll be sure to stop by and visit you now that you've insulted the city I love. You know what? NYC isn't nearly what it's cracked up to be. I've been. I hated it.
What does NYC have that Boston(and, for that matter, any other city) doesn't? This "NYC, the greatest city in the world" crap is just that- a bunch of crap.
Boston vs NYC:
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A few of them live in that area, right? With local connections and a slightly different slant on things you all could come up with deeper articles that compliment each other. Just a passing idea, really.
Why do I have this? I don't smoke.
Manhattan has Wall Street and many more corporate headquarters. The number and level of buyers attending LinuxWorld is likely to be much higher. So, it is much easier to believe that the $20-100k+ of total cost to exhibit at a single trade show would be recovered quickly and at a better return than alternative uses of that money if it is in New York.
I could see an argument for having the eastern LinuxWorld in other cities on alternate years to address pent up demand, but I think that New York is still where demand is likely to be highest.
If IDG keeps trying to move its trade shows from New York to elsewhere, I think will create an opportunity for a competitor.
There's a good bit of technology around Tampa and Orlando, not to mention the Disney distractions if you bring the non-Linux inclined family.
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yeah I heard that the reason that they moved to Boston was because the insurance rates were too high.
He was poking fun. Relax.
Come on, you can't tell me that wouldn't beat anything you can see in Boston or NY.
And I live in Boston, BTW.
Yeah, like that's a fair trade for Babe Ruth and almost a century of pain.
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
But it really does make sense to move LinuxWorld. We've got the best universities(debatedly, CA has a great system) with MIT and Harvard literally down the street from the convention(I've walked the MIT-Hynes center route a few time, park car at MIT, walk over bridge to bar, near Hynes) The Big Dig will be finished (opens this Friday!!), so traffic in and out of the city becomes that much easier. Also, the FSF is in Boston, which makes the city a more logical choice, as New York really only has loads of money and lots of businesses that may or may not use Linux, while Boston has the birth of the American Revolution(er, I mean free software movement) plus the absolute brainpool in the area. Plus, the Democratic convention will have left the previous summer, leaving who knows what image on the city.
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I live about a block from the Hynes Conevention Center, and there are about 4 bars right on the other side of the street from the place. But I'm sure that had nothing to do with the decision... nothing at all... ; )
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Also, the last time I drove there, there weren't any lane markers on half the roads...that's just silly!
No no! They always paint the lane markers - the problem is that they are quickly erased by all the people crossing the lines...
Besides - can you imagine an entire audience of geeks at the Luxor watching Blue Man Group?
I honestly don't know who would be stranger - the performers or the audience....
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This is the same company that moved MacWorld back to Boston. IIRC, the prices went up at JJC in New York, and the new place that was just finished in Boston is offering discount, or even free, rates to hold your big show there. The local population of geeks in Boston is probably bigger than NYC anyhow (as previous poster mentioned MIT etc). Not surprising, and most likely a good move.
Myself, living 45min from NYC, I will not be going to Boston for 2005.
Macworld used to be here and had its best attendance here before it went to NYC.
You probably won't need a car. If it's at the Hynes (rather than the new Convention Center in South Boston) the food court at the Prudential is OK and there's tons of other fun, distracting things to do in the neighborhood. If it's in the new Convention Center you'll probably be staying in hotels near the Prudential anyway and the shuttles will bring you back. And Boston is a walking town. (Tho' I did walk back from the Javits up to B'way and 52nd once just for the color on Seventh Ave.)
I'll definitely be there. Of course, I live in Boston. This saves me buckets of dough. :-)
By "city juice", are you perhaps referring to what has been called "Mystery Moisture" - the anomalous puddles of liquid[1] that seem to appear on the city sidewalks independant of any normal precipitation?
Or something else?
[1] a.k.a. urine
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where all got started. You would feel comfortable here with all these
fellow pinguins and polar bears.
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Unfortunately, because of the DMCA, you won't see Alan at any US convention. But he's really a nice guy, not as scary as you'd think from the "floating head of Alan Cox" picture.
Of course, meeting them in person also gives you a great chance to make a titanic fool of yourself.
We are not going to talk about my chat with Linus...
How about Kansas? It's inconvenient enough to piss off everyone, and your boss/wife/whatever will absolutely know it's not just a boondoggle...
It did, however, give the impression (on a gut level?) that IBM was Very Serious about Linux.
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hope it happens during the MIT flea market. You can get everything from an abacus to a zeon laser, no kidding I saw one at the flea last year.... didn't have the cash tho'
Remember, NYC is physically larger than Boston because it swallowed up many of the boroughs around it. If you want to talk about "We have X more of this than you" you'd have to include Boston's neighbors (Cambridge, Brookline, Newton, etc) to make a fair comparison.
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"Yes, but in NYC, you don't need a car."
Join the club, and maybe actually visit Boston before commenting on it. I've lived very comfortably in Boston for a while without a car. The T goes to pretty much anywhere in the city you need to go. The only time you need one is to take road trips, something you'd need a car for in NYC also.
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NYC has charm, just that you and anyone involved with Linux can't afford it. (Just as your limo driver to take you to a charming resturant).
RedNeck Linux!
All we would have to do is port Big Game Hunter, and Bass Fishing games.
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Move the venue to India!
It's a security conference. SANS does a lot of cool things and in the course I took, the instructor was way l337. Very smart, very cool, good presenter. This was stuff I could have picked up on my own but just hadn't gotten around to it. It was an efficient brain-dump. There was a vendor expo I didn't spend any time at, but I could have.
Pretty vast gulf between that and the typical MCSE track, read-from-the-mandatory-course-book thing I'm used to.
I'd have no use for a pure vendor expo, though.
Go see the big dig everyone in the US payed $10 billion for. Ain't communism great?
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You're thinking of Montreal/Quebec (that was the canadian geography part :P)
We've always been at war with Eurasia.
If Linux is so cool, why do they run their site on Microsoft Windows?
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