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SCO Says They'll Sue A Linux User Tomorrow
Xenographic writes "InfoWorld is reporting that SCO intends to sue a Linux using company. Ordinarily, this would not be newsworthy, as they have not followed through on past threats. However, this time, they have given themselves a concrete deadline--tomorrow. While they claim that it will be one of the "top 1,000" companies, they apparently have yet to decide which company to actually sue. Perhaps they need more practice playing darts?" Reader Fished links to CNET's coverage.
I have three words for Darl McBride: Bring It On!
Peace and love, y'all
Sorry Google, your free ride is over. And in other news, the Miami Dolphins actually won a superbowl!
"But I'm still right here, giving blood and keeping faith. And I'm still right here."
The article starts:
The SCO Group on Tuesday will launch its first lawsuit against a Linux user for alleged violations of SCO's intellectual property, SCO Chief Executive Officer Darl McBride said Monday.
and continues a little later:
After consulting with its law firm, Boies, Schiller and Flexner, SCO has narrowed down its list of possible targets to a "handful" of the world's 1,000 largest corporations, McBride said. "We're going to file it tomorrow. It's sort of come down to a couple of complaints we have prepared," he said.
So when they sue an "end user", is it going to be an Executive in a Fortune 1000 company? Or an employee? I assumed "end user" meant your average Joe. They're just asking for trouble (as the article points out) if they sue someone in a Fortune 1000 company.
libertarianswag.com
They meant Linux-using companies.
Personally, I woulda sued... Well... Me.
Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
I pick Starbucks, for it is the hub of Dr. Evil's empire - and Scott (aka McBride) wants to get back at his father's transgression.
Either that or RedHat.
This space for rent.
Aaaaaah, fuck it, who am I kidding.
It's like shoveling jelly beans into your mouth at the candy store - sure, it rots your teeth out and you end up with diabetes, but it tastes so damned good you can't help yourself.
this whole SCO mess is really out of hand and absurd. They will be suing a Linux user for what? Using software legally? They haven't won their case with IBM. This is all just absolutely outrageous! They're suing someone based on what someone else did (and they haven't even proved that much in court). I hope the "victim" of SCO's suit couter-sues their asses into tomorrow.
Bored? Why not join a decent mess
This is Oh, shit time for Google...
What is SCO going to gain by suing a well known company? Nothing! All they are doing is setting themselves up for the worst countersuit. The suit SCO is going to bring against "teh Fortune 1000 company" is going to get stuck in court until the IBM/SCO suit is finished. Then and only then is this NEW suit going to be resolved. I hope for SCO's sake, everyone in that company has somewhere else to go.
- I'm not creative enough to have a sig.
Sig (appended to the end of comments you post, 120 chars)... oops
... Themselves.
Nevermind, thats a lawsuit they might actually win. Given their current record of idiocy and bad public relations, my guess is that it will be the the Pope
I can just see the headlines: "12 year old girl sued by SCO for using Linux!"
Yeah, it's SCO and nothing do makes much sense, but wouldn't it make more sense to wait for the ruling in their primary case against IBM so that they can have a concrete leg to stand on before going off and suing copyright violators without having a definite declaration of copyright ownership?
I have been pwned because my
...this is why Google delayed it's IPO?
DISCLAIMER: Complete and total speculation.
CAn'T CompreHend SARcaSm?
Dear Mr. McBride,
This is March, not April. Please refrain from wasting all of our good material until that time.
Thank you,
-Slashdot
~Dalcius
Rome wasn't burnt in a day.
Did he fire six court briefs, or only five? Tell 'ya the truth, in all of this excitement I've sort of lost track myself. But given that this is Free and Open Source Software community, the most powerful group of advocates, coders, and corporate lawyers on the planet, and would blow your company's revenue clean off, you've got to ask yourself a question: Do I feel lucky? Well do 'ya, punk?
As other have pointed out, EV1 can't comply with SCO's linux license and still get Redhat patches, so there is actually a case that SCO can win against them now.
actually DOING it instead of saying...
I'll just be holding my breath over there, in the corner.
Gosh, I'm sure they're all broken up about the fact that this will distract from their quarterly earnings announcement the day after tomorrow.
Maybe, finally, SCO's claims will be exposed for the crock they are. Hopefully, doubtfully, this will expose the crock lawsuits that seem to pervade our country. But I'm not holding my breath. It seems far to many people forgot that this country was built on WORK, not sucking the blood of others. (But that invokes comments on many other subjects as well...mp3 traders, riaa, mpaa, corporate mentality)
OK now let me make sure I have all of this straight. Wednesday is the day the SCO quarterly non-earnings report will be released, which most likely won't be good news. So, on Tuesday, the day before the report is released, SCO makes a stock, I mean lawsuit announcement. Do I detect a pattern here?
SCO didn't even write it but claim ownership to it.
CAn'T CompreHend SARcaSm?
Better start thinking of personal insults to Darl and witty comments to tell the tech media.
Fortune 25 company, sells Linux on PCs (Lindows, Lycoris, Mandrake). Isn't an ISP or a tech company.
That's my best guess.
If it happens.
Hasn't yet.
-- @rjamestaylor on Ello
Someone needs to charge SCO with raqueteering and extortion. SCO has made several claims, but has yet to offer proof, and it's own case has changed so much that it barely resembles the original case presented almost a year ago.
By suing a Linux end users, SCO is in effect trying to use courts to extort money. The definition of extort is "to obtain from a person by force, intimidation, or undue or illegal power". I cannot see the difference between SCO's actions, press releases and the running a criminal enterprise.
If they (SCO) truly wished to protect their IP, they would proceed with their case and quit stalling. The Linux community would respond, in defference to and in respect to an IP rights. I think that is the crux of SCO's problem, Linux would respond by respectfully removing any proven IP content. If they can extort money from people instead of actually proving their case, then the profit margin goes up. So what if extortion is illegal.
AngryPeoplePeopleRule
"Science is about ego as much as it is about discovery and truth " - I said it, so sue me.
I hope SCO decides to sue me. It will be so much fun, and I'll be able to retire on the proceeds for my countersuit for bringing frivolous claims.
for example, what about those companies which have purchased and used sun appliances, specifically the cobalt line of products as a network edge appliance for email or webhosting? or what about linksys/cisco for that matter, for home networking? sco could choose any company in the white pages, and chances are, somewhere in the enterprise is a linux based appliance (if not at the enterprise location, perhaps at a home office...).
face it sco, linux is everywhere, and there are foundation companies which are using/deploying it(sun, ibm, novell, cisco, nokia) and threatening one of their end users with your pathetic attempts will only cause more companies to join the team against you.
give it up! you lost!
three can keep a secret, if two are dead - benjamin franklin
"Tomorrow never comes" Vitalstatistix
"After all... tomorrow is another day" Scarlett O'Hara
http://www.fsf.org/licenses/gpl.html
The SCO Group has failed to put forward ANY substantial legal theory why the SCO Group should not be obligated to abide by the terms of the GPL.
http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/sco/sco-without-fear
The SCO Group obligations under the GPL has been reiterated and reinforced in the legal positions of IBM, Redhat and Novell in their respective cases against the SCO Group.
It is a criminal offense to claim, with fraudulent intent, that you have a copyright if you do not. The SCO Group does *NOT* hold the copyrights to the UNIX source code. Novell has *NOT* transfered the title for the works that the SCO Group fraudulently filed for copyright in 2003. The SCO Group do not have the right to sue anybody for violation of copyright works without the assent of the title holder.
The SCO Group claims the right to sue for work in standard UNIX and POSIX interfaces that AT&T and Novell granted full rights to use royalty free in perpetuity for the ISO, ANSI and FIPS federal standards.
The SCO Group's contract claims against IBM and others based upon the AT&T license in respect to rights of so called derivative works is in direct contradiction to evidence presented to the SCO Group by Novell.
The SCO Group though the press and SEC filings, has bolstered the share price of the SCO Group based upon demonstrably false claims to the contrary of above points 1,2 and 3. The SCO Group CEOs and legal agents were notified by Novell and IBM *before* making these false claims and presenting them as fact. The actions of the SCO Group must be in violation of several SEC regulations.
So how is the lawsuit going to go if it gets to court?
Eben Moglen's Harvard Speech
http://jolt.law.harvard.edu/p.cgi/speakers.html
The Transcript
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=200402260 03735733
ooo.
This is so exciting! I wonder if Dick Clark will come to my house to tell me if I win!
Who ever does win this honor will be lavished with attention, job offers, pro bono lawyers and scads of cash from the counter suit.
Where do I sign up?
--
Mike
-- Mike wildcard@illuminatus.org
C'mon SCO gimme your best shot.
Engineering is the art of compromise.
Something must be wrong with my browser. I mean, it's obvious that there's words in the article but all I see is "Wolf! Wolf! Wolf!"
What the HELL is going on? Why hasn't any govt. authorities put a stop to SCO yet? What exactly does SCO think they're doing?
They have NO case. We all know it. This would be like me tying up the legal system with a lawsuit against my neighbor because I chewed gum on a Thursday (aka Completely Utterly Frivolous).
It's a waste of our judicial system along with taxpayers' money. The federal govt along with any of these companies being sued by SCO should countersue the shit out of them. This is just stupid.
We have secretly replaced these Slashdot mods' sense of humor with a rusty nail. Let's see if they notice!!
The company, Houston-based EV1Servers.Net has purchased site licenses from SCO for its two data centers for an undisclosed seven figure sum, according to SCO.
This has to be bullshit. There's no way that EV1 is going to pay 7 figures for a license from these pricks. They operate on a razor thin margin at $99 bucks per month per server. This is a bargin basement hosting facility. I call bullshit on this this statement. The price was probably:
$1,000,000 - License Fee
- $999,900 - Early Bird license discount.
___________
I want to see the additional 7 figures in the quarterly report. 7 figures my ass.
They'll sue a user
Tomorrow
Bet your parity digit
That tomorrow
One'll be found!
SCO will find
Tomorrow
Someone running Linux
On their desktop
And they'll frown!
They've been stuck in a daze
Malaise
'Bout OpenSource
Now they'll file their briefs
Cry "Thiefs!'
'Til Hoarse.....
Oh!
The suit will be filed
Tomorrow
Darl will have his kilo of geek
Come tomorrow
So he'll say......
Tomorrow! Tomorrow!
He'll sue them Tomorrow!
It's always
A day
A way!
Mod Karma -1: I sed bad wurds. If I cep my mouf shut, I wud be at riyses.
I'm waiting for someone to post that goddamn redundant Chewbacca defense again.
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YeeeeeaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhHHHH!!!!!!!
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This is gettig absolutely ridiculous. SCO have become complete clowns. I mean what should we expect next?
"SCO threatens to kill cute little fuzzy kittens tomorrow"
or
SCO promises to push your grandmother down stairs tomorrow"
They are just looking more and more like weird bullies with no PR team, no common sense, and no chance of ever looking like a legitimate company again. Hopefully pretty soon the whole world will begin to see them as the joke they are making themselves.
If you read just below the article, you'd find a few interesting links to follow:
.NET Development Platform Delivers 25% Lower Development and Support Costs Than j2EE/Linux (white paper)
White papers, Webcasts and case studies about operating systems More results
* WinTel Server 10 Times Less Expensive to Operate Than Linux Mainframe_Benchmark Study (white paper)
Microsoft
* Make the Case: Business Case Template for Migrating to Microsoft Windows* Server 2003 on the IBM xSeries* Servers with Intel(R) Itanium(R) 2 Processor or Intel(R) Xeon(TM) Processor MP (white paper)
IBM
* Lower Windows Staffing Costs Provide a TCO Advantage Over Linux (white paper)
Microsoft
White papers, Webcasts and case studies about linux More results
* Microsoft
Microsoft
* WinTel Server 10 Times Less Expensive to Operate Than Linux Mainframe_Benchmark Study (white paper)
Microsoft
* IBM DB2 Universal Database for Linux and SAP Standard Application Benchmarks (white paper)
IBM
Go Figure
Really. I mean it. I have Linux running on two computers. I'm working a crappy low paying job so could really use the great publicity the lawsuit would bring.
Come on. I dare you.
I double dare you!
You pussies.
-- Will program for bandwidth
Because you don't need a SCO license to use a product they already released under GPL.
Oh, and I forgot to mention, when the MyDoom virus came out, I refused to update the anti-virus software of the more than 500 systems I am responsible for. On some, I even disabled the anti-virus software all together. Why? Because I didn't want to stop them from DDoS'ing SCO.com.
Again, I am guilty. I use Linux. I use Open Source. Please sue me.
SCO is either:
a) Going to pass this by, probably with a lot of angry geeks and scared company CEOs. Watch as their target "bought a license at the last minute" and they don't even disclose who it is.
b) Sue someone, get laughed out of court while trying to hold it as long as they can, and die anyway. Stealing people's money in the process for their license fees. Hopefully, the SEC will get off their ass and stop them.
...you are already a SCOG customer. From the CNET article:
"The first target will be a company that has a Unix license from SCO already, giving SCO some contractual leverage in the case. McBride said. In addition, the suit will involve copyright infringement claims."
Darl continuies to make it obvious that the worse possible decision a company can make is do business with him.
Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
Hmmm, and EV1's largest competitor would be? From SCO's perspective, it would mean hitting a few thousand birds with one stone. EV1 then swoops in, and tells potential clients that they are safe with them. Before the dust settles, EV1 might make a good return on their investment. Sleezy, but since when did that have anything to do with business?
"To those who are overly cautious, everything is impossible. "
What will happen first? A lawsuit from SCO or a DDos against SCO?
Thoughts anyone?
That, or they could be trying the Kazaa trick.
The idea is, they can't possibly win, but they can attract lots and lots of attention to themselves because they can drag out the trial ad infinitum. By suing someone really big who people expect would have a strong case instead of someone small, people will apply the false analogy that SCO has a strong case and can win lots of cash.
I've heard many older folks repeatedly say that "trading music is okay now", because they've conflated the idea that Kazaa sued the RIAA with the idea that there happen to be legal places to buy music online. SCO is hoping that they can scum up the same type of conflation: "SCO is suing IBM for using that bad, bad linux thing (the one we saw on those IBM commercials), and Microsoft says Linux is bad..., and we use Windows at home... and..."
Seriously. Their stock is dropping.
http://financyahoo.e.com/q?s=SCOX
SCO is not a software company. It's a publicly traded lawsuit. They've delayed and delayed and delayed too long with IBM and the truth is getting out. If they don't start another lawsuit their entire business model is threatened.
Tomorrow is the day! Oh boy!!! I expect that they'll flaunt this in a way to maximize earnings off the event: Most likely in a Publisher's Clearing House Sweepstakes Superbowl Surprise fashion. You know, after ending a 3 hour Tech TV special on SCO's immense contributions to Linux, it'll start with a live shot from a helicopter following the official SCO van, driving to the residence of our lucky geek. Then, as Darl gets out of the van, it cuts to a ground shot. "Shhhhhh..." Darl says, holding his mic while walking up the sidewalk to the front door. Yes Darl, we're quiet - I'm even holding my breath I'm so excited! After they knock, the geek's mother opens the door. She's so excited, she can hardly speak - or maybe that's because the police have already knocked her out with a stun gun for her complicity? We don't pause long here though - the main event awaits. They proceed into the basement, where our humble geek is caught like a Dorrito-eating, Mountain Dew-drinking deer in headlights! Surprise! After this technologically capable man puts on some pants and washes his hands, Darl shakes the man's hand as he passes to the geek the giant check. Next, Darl gives him the giant pen, which our winner uses to write SCO a check of $699. After a quick photo-op it's over - the credits roll, the sheer abruptness with which the event has come to pass leaving you breathless.
Nerds rejoice! Tomorrow all our questions shall be answered!!!
-sm
That means... drum-roll please... we have a chance (1/280,000,000) it's the same plump 12 year old chick who got busted by the RIAA!
Imagine seeing her next superbowl? "Hi, I'm totally fucked over and never touching a computer again. Choose Franklin Covey(R), the best choice in paper organizers."
If that happens, you can be sure CmdrTaco will post it here on Slashdot for all of us to read and comment on.
And then again on Thursday.
And once more next month.
</ObDupejoke>
Karma: Frotzed (mostly due to the Frobozz Magic Karma Company)
The 7-figure sum was bothering me for a while. What idiot would give SCO more than a million dollars for a worthless license? It could just be a lie, of course, but one way for it to be "true" is if EV1 signed a long-term contract that's worth a total of $1 million over the life of the contract. After all, that's how football players' contracts are publicized -- it makes them sound bigger and more exciting.
EV1 might have agreed to pay SCO $1/year for the next million years, for all we know.
I hope they don't take a tip from the RIAA. They could end up suing a 78-year-old grandmother who owns a Mac.
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
I would think that no disclaimer can get you out of trouble if it is found out that you sold someone something that was not yours to sell. If and when SCO loses their case against ibm and quite possibly loses to Novell as well then their claims on Linux will be false. (as if they were not already) If I go out and sell licenses on Microsoft software in addition to the ones companies already have and later it is proven that I have no right to sell such licenses then those companies have the right to get their money back or I am very likely in criminal law territory for fraud. No contract between two private parties can render a person or company immune from criminal liability and in the case of fraud such as selling something that is not yours to sell, the contract would be void anyways. IANAL but those half dozen big companies are big enough to convince the justice dept to send SCO's officers to prison for fraud when the time comes. Darl may very well end up where he belongs, well at least in club fed.
"McBride said the arrangement with EV1Servers.net is perpetual and that SCO doesn't offer companies their money back if courts later find SCO's claims baseless. It will bring in revenue that will be material to SCO's financial results, he added."
A casino using Linux for video poker machines or something. McBride could really use a friendly talk with Richardo just about now/.
"While they claim that it will be one of the "top 1,000" companies, they apparently have yet to decide which company to actually sue. Perhaps they need more practice playing darts?"
Seems to me that SCO has been playing lawn darts for some time, and poor Daryl has been struck in the head numerous times because of it!
"Right now, somewhere in this world, Scott Baio is plowing a woman he doesn't love," - Peter Griffin, *Family Guy*
Interviewer begins to droop.
<monotone>...and of course, President Bush has not shown the, uhhhhhhhhh, leadership that we expect from a Commander-In-Chief on this issue...</monotone>
Interviewer nods off.
<monotone>...and, uhhhhhhhh, obviously, SCO has not shown that they have a case and I think they're clearly wrong... </monotone>
Audience nods off.
<monotone>...but SCO has clearly shown the leadership to...</monotone>
Both audience and interviewer have dangerously weak heartbeats.
<monotone>...my record is clear in that I believe in the SCO case and, uhhhhhhh...</monotone>
Most members of the audience are clinically dead. The interviewer is sprawled on the floor.
<monotone>...those who would question my patriotism by implying that my position has changed on this matter...</monotone>
Temperature reaches absolute zero as all atomic motion stops.
<monotone>...which is, uhhhhhhh, why I think I will be your next President. My Vietnam war heroism makes it clear that, uhhhhhh...</monotone>
1) Scox has set a concrete deadline at least three times before.
2) Scox has followed this pattern more times than I can remember: they claim there is some huge news coming up at a future date, they build it up and build it up, then they miss the deadline - building the contraversy even more. Finally OMFG they actually did it - but it turns out to be some totally watered down version of what they said they would do. When it turns out to be a joke, the pop-media will forget all about scox's previous hype.
It reminds me of a carnival side-show: STEP RIGHT UP SEE THE ABSOLUTELY AMAZING ASTONDING LAWSUIT OF THE CENTURY!!!
- AIX license revocation
- Showing the code in Las Vegas
- Several "code showings" for that matter
- The Vultus deal
- First time they sold an IP license to a fortune 1000 company (August?)
Let's see, Darl said this on Monday. Does that mean SCO is going to sue a
Linux user on February 31, then?
That in two weeks we will read the headline "SCO (Finnally) Sues Linux User" and under it "was-the-first-one-lost-in-the-mail dept."
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InfoWorld is reporting that SCO intends to sue a Linux using company. Ordinarily, this would not be newsworthy...
Every single time that SCO has threatened a customer (with or without a deadline), it's been reported here in Slashdot. Since "ordinarily" it would not be reported, we must conclude that these announcements have coincidentally been exceptional. The odds are so low that every such announcement has been exceptional that I must conclude that God is on SCO's side and therefore Linux is doomed (not even the devil will help, since he's likely partial to BSD).
I hope that Slashdot editors understand that with great power comes great responsibility. Now I must question my faith since it appears that, while there is an all-powerful diety, he's one of the bad guys, fighting on the side of proprietary software, frivolous lawsuits and the monopolies that fund them.
I'd hate to think that this bleak metaphysical outlook is due only to haphazard diction on the part of the editor.
Phiwum's law: anyone that names an obvious law after himself and then puts it in his own sig is just pathetic.
>>Come on, if SCO really did have them behind them they would be showing at least some sign of competency
Competecy? Are you kidding? This is stock scam, it's been going on for a year, and still going very strong. The market cap has been pumped from under $20 to over $150 million in a year. And scox was never worth even $20 million. This scam is way beyond competent.
Ever hear of the Mormon Mafia?
You've already used the mail, Darl. You qualify for the RICO ACT. Enjoy your stay in the federal "Pound-me-in-ass" prison.
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Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act
TITLE 18--CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I--CRIMES
CHAPTER 96--RACKETEER INFLUENCED AND CORRUPT ORGANIZATIONS
Sec. 1961. Definitions
As used in this chapter--
(1) ``racketeering activity'' means (A) any act or threat
involving murder, kidnapping, gambling, arson, robbery, bribery,
extortion, dealing in obscene matter, or dealing in a controlled
substance or listed chemical (as defined in section 102 of the
Controlled Substances Act), which is chargeable under State law and
punishable by imprisonment for more than one year; (B) any act which
is indictable under any of the following provisions of title 18,
United States Code: Section 201 (relating to bribery), section 224
(relating to sports bribery), sections 471, 472, and 473 (relating
to counterfeiting), section 659 (relating to theft from interstate
shipment) if the act indictable under section 659 is felonious,
section 664 (relating to embezzlement from pension and welfare
funds), sections 891-894 (relating to extortionate credit
transactions), section 1028 (relating to fraud and related activity
in connection with identification documents), section 1029 (relating
to fraud and related activity in connection with access devices),
section 1084 (relating to the transmission of gambling information),
section 1341 (relating to mail fraud), section 1343 (relating to
wire fraud), section 1344 (relating to financial institution fraud),
section 1425 (relating to the procurement of citizenship or
nationalization unlawfully), section 1426 (relating to the
reproduction of naturalization or citizenship papers), section 1427
(relating to the sale of naturalization or citizenship papers),
sections 1461-1465 (relating to obscene matter), section 1503
(relating to obstruction of justice), section 1510 (relating to
obstruction of criminal investigations), section 1511 (relating to
the obstruction of State or local law enforcement), section 1512
(relating to tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant),
section 1513 (relating to retaliating against a witness, victim, or
an informant), section 1542 (relating to false statement in
application and use of passport), section 1543 (relating to forgery
or false use of passport), section 1544 (relating to misuse of
passport), section 1546 (relating to fraud and misuse of visas,
permits, and other documents), sections 1581-1588 (relating to
peonage and slavery), section 1951 (relating to interference with
commerce, robbery, or extortion), section 1952 (relating to
racketeering), section 1953 (relating to interstate transportation
of wagering paraphernalia), section 1954 (relating to unlawful
welfare fund payments), section 1955 (relating to the prohibition of
illegal gambling businesses), section 1956 (relating to the
laundering of monetary instruments), section 1957 (relating to
engaging in monetary transactions in property derived from specified
unlawful activity), section 1958 (relating to use of interstate
commerce facilities in the commission of murder-for-hire), sections
2251, 2251A, 2252, and 2260 (relating to sexual exploitation of
children), sections 2312 and 2313 (relating to interstate
transportation of stolen motor vehicles), sections 2314 and 2315
(relating to interstate transportation of stolen property), section
2318 (relating to trafficking in counterfeit labels for
phonorecords, computer programs or computer program documentation or
packaging and copies of motion pictures or
The Chewbacca defense is perfectly logical compared to SCO's legal strategy.
"I think so, Brain, but 'instant karma' always gets so lumpy." - Pinky
"Decepticons FOREVER!!!" - Ravage
Suing a group that stands to gain by losing the lawsuit would be a shrewd move. It would give SCO greater ability to set the stage for a setting a precedent favorable to SCO.
However, the shrewdest move would be to sue a company holding the "information wants to be free" line religiously. It is often easy to win the court's favor when your opponent is holding an absurd ideal with religiour fervor. The worst thing would be to sue a well respected company with shrewd leadership, as they are likely to punch real legitimate holes in the SCO case.
to halt the worrying trend of the SCO stock price. Down, down, down she goes.
..is if SCO actually goes through with this and sues someone: Where are they going to find impartial jurors?
*Everyone* with enough technical background to fully understand the issue has been following this case in the news and lets face it: Most programmers have a pet OS. We're not the most impartial bunch.
Anyone without the IT backround could potentially be fooled by the silver-tongued army of SCO lawyers.
Stack overflow: pid 352258, proc httpd, addr 0x11f7ffff0, pc 0x12000195c Segmentation fault (core dumped)
The only Linux using company that is not like to kick their ass in court is... SCO. I predict that tomorrow, in a brilliant PR move, SCO will SUE THEMSELVES for using Linux! A case in which they will almost certainly prevail!
"Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney
Just some thoughts..
I wonder how much of this "license" money SCO will pay to Novell. Given the existing agreements where SCO pay Novell 95%, will novell see any of this money ?
If they dont, will they sue SCO for it ?
Given EV1 reportedly paid over 6 digits for their "pukka" licenses, this could get interesting if Novell file a claim for a share of the license money.
SCO seems to *have* to sue, else their share prices will drop.
I wonder if the FSF will sue sco for distributing GPL code, and then claiming license money.
I also wonder if Linux developers can sue SCO.
Here : Fine Over There : Cloudy Hell : Six inches of snow And what's that flying past the fifth story window. A pig
I think this internet thing sounds like a good idea
my bet is on Tivo or Google
I don't think the SCO vs IBM case have much to do with this. The only copyright stuff in that case is about IBM continued to distribute AIX after SCO revoked their licence. The rest is breach of contract stuff, and unless the end user isn't a SCO customer there would be no such things for SCO to sue over. So once again the lesson to learn, don't do business with SCO.
The Novell case is much more interesting here as it deals with wether SCO really have any copyrights to Linux.
God is REAL! Unless explicitly declared INTEGER
Which Linux user is SCO going to sue next?
Google
Yahoo
WalMart
EV1Servers.net
Microsoft (oh the irony)
State of California
U.S. Government
A 12 yr old girl
Cowboyneal
this sounds more like a ransom demand than a legal strategy.
I'd say SGI. SCO said it was someone with a UNIX license and will include copyright claims. SGI did have that little triffle with the memory code that was written for an arch that was never actually sold and thus never compiled into binary form and run on a real piece of hardware.
SGI is also a Linux contributor, and McBride once said that they'll have their day in court with SGI (or words to that effect).
But.
But? But what if the whole thing's for show, and TSG intend to go down in flames? Perhaps in exchange for golden parachutes all around from someone. Pull a name out of my ass at random, say it's Microsoft?
Looked at that way, their actions make more sense. Sick sense, yes, but lots more of it.
Zehn kleine UNIX Zeilen
Reicht man ein zur Klage.
Die eine die auf griechisch war,
War leider viel zu vage.
Neun kleine UNIX Zeilen
Sollten es begrunden.
Die eine war trotz groBter Muh'
In LINUX nicht zu finden.
Acht kleine UNIX Zeilen
Dienten zum Beweise.
Die eine war aus BSD,
Pech fur Anwalt Heise.
Sieben kleine UNIX Zeilen,
Kamen vor Gericht.
Die eine war 'ne Fehlernummer,
Die taugte dazu nicht.
Sechs kleine UNIX Zeilen,
Sollten es belegen.
Doch eine kam zur GPL
Durch SCO Kollegen.
Funf kleine UNIX Zeilen
Waren noch dabei.
Die eine kam von einem Band
Mit Aufschrift System Drei.
Vier kleine UNIX Zeilen,
Doch eine, sonderbar,
Gehorte nicht zum dem Programm,
Sie war ein Kommentar.
Drei Kleine UNIX Zeilen,
Waren das Problem.
Eine war zwar System Five,
Doch kam von IBM.
Zwei kleine UNIX Zeilen,
Waren noch geblieben.
Die eine war schon reichlich alt
Und kam von System Sieben.
Eine kleine UNIX Zeile
Wurde angefuhrt.
Die hatte Linus Torvalds selbst
Am Anfang programmiert.
Ohne eine UNIX Zeile
Kann SCO nichts machen.
Doch eines muss man zugestehn:
Wir hatten was zu lachen.
Schlussbemerkung:
Hier zeigt sehr schon ein Kinderlied,
Warum McBride die Wahrheit mied.
stolen from Heise forum
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It will definately be either Google, or a firewall manufacturer.
Why ?
Microsoft has made big noises lately about moving into the search engine space, and also made noises about an impending firewall product.
SCO, taking orders from above, will target the competion in these areas, hoping to tie them up in court for ages, so that Microsoft can enter these markets with reduced competition.
You dont even need a tinfoil hat to see that one coming.
I personally know some SCO Employees (New Delhi, INDIA), who use linux as their main OS.
Maybe they should sue themselves first.
v==hal if
How are they going to choose this end user to sue? Are they going to randomly pick an entry from there web server log that contains a referer with linux, and then use RIAA tactics to obtain a supeana to gather your information from you ISP?
they are suing the riaa for getting linux off kazaa of course
Oh what a tawdry, petty thing this democracy has become... I don't know whether you intended it or not, but your post is brilliantly ironic about the dismal state of our democracy.
Where people more interested in the tone of voice than the ideas.
Where people more interested in hair styles than Social Security.
Where people who would rather feel as if they were just consuming another product they may judge by the pretty packaging and ad campaign.
Notes From Under *nix: blas.phemo.us
What Would Brian Boitano Do?
What would Brian Boitano do
If he was here right now?
He'd make a plan, and he'd follow through,
That's what Brian Boitano'd do!
When Brian Boitano came
and knocked at SCO's door
he kicked Darl's stupid ass
and with it he wiped the floor.
Hi de lo de hi de lay!
Brian Boitano's here!
So round up all your lasses,
And tell them to have no fear!
---- Take the Space Quiz!
Isn't this constant barrage of news just exactly what SCO wants?
Tomorrow! Tomorrow!
They'll sue me Tomorrow!
its only a dayyyyy-aaaaa----way!
SCO are in this for publicity - to fuel the share scam. What better publicity that to sue one of the most famous internet success stories, and one that publicly uses Linux at that.
Google expect to be sued, so they stopped the "Litigeous Barstard" googlebomb. It never looks good in court to be being rude about your opponent.
Maybe the delayed IPO is because they wouldn't get as much being sued as they would with no court-case. Delay the IPO = more money.
DWR is Ajax for Java
I knew that you could.
IANAL, but as far as I understand, those 3 little words will bring any lawsuit brought by SCO (regarding Linux)to a screeching halt until the lawsuit with IBM is cleared up.
I could be wrong, of course.
Dear Mr. McBride:
I am a Linux user.
"Folks just call him Buckethead." -- Les Claypool
The suit'll come out Tomorrow
Bet your bottom dollar That tomorrow
They will pay!
Just thinkin' about Tomorrow
Makes the Linux Zealots,
Fill with sorrow
'Casue they'll pay!
When I'm stuck with a day
That's gray,
And lonely,
I just stick out my chin
And Grin, And Say,
Sue!
The law'll be changed Tomorrow
So SCOs gotta hang on 'til tomorrow
That's when they'll pay
Tomorrow! Tomorrow!
I'll sue ya Tomorrow!
You're always A day Away!
How come Slashdot never gets Slashdotted?
I'm pretty sure they'll follow through on the threat this time. The reason? SCO has an earnings call on March 3. While their legal case is pretty clearly going nowhere, they do seem media-savvy enough to know that a loudly-trumpeted lawsuit against a high-profile company will distract the analyst/media community enough to help them avoid questions they'd rather not answer.
(old guy sitting in a lay-zee-boy chair):
You know 'The Clapper'? I had that idea years before it came out, but I didn't make a dime from it.
(Darl McBride, in orange jumpsuit):
You know UNIX? Linux? That was mine! They took it from me! They gave it away and I didn't make all the money that I deserved! It was mine, mine, MINE!
(Starts cursing, is injected w/ sedative by a guy in a white coat.)
Narrator: Don't let this happen to you!
(Phone number appears, and fade).