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Apple Releases Major iTunes Update
shunnicutt writes "Apple has released iTunes 4.5 (and iPod software 2.2 and QuickTime 6.5.1) and relaxed some iTunes Music Store restrictions: now tracks you purchased can be authorized to play on up to five other computers, instead of three. However, they reduced the number of times you can burn a playlist to an audio CD from ten to seven. Another new feature is iMix, which allows you to publish playlists on iTMS, including comments on each track. The iTMS also offers a weekly free single for download."
crazney adds "This release also changes their network sharing protocol in a way that breaks the open source iTunes sharing applications that have been released (based on my work on iTunes 4.2's DRM)."
kefoo writes "Among the new features is Apple Lossless Encoding, which claims to compress losslessly to half the size of uncompressed CD quality audio." Hm, and I was about to re-rip all my CDs at 320 kbps MP3 ...
Update: 04/28 14:56 GMT by P : I just tested, and I can listen to previously de-DRM'd AAC files from playfair, but I cannot use either playfair or FairTunes any longer. The former "Couldn't get DRM key for user," and the latter produces a blank file.
Additionally, the app now also features a cool track melding feature not mentioned in the heading. This makes it a lot easy to make seamless listening possible for tracks that are supposed to proceed without pausing, So now I can finally listen to classical tracks the way they are supposed to sound. Seamless and lossless. Cool.
One cool feature mentioned in 4.5 is "iMix", which publishes your playlists to the iTMS for all to see. So out of curiosity, I tried to publish my "top 25 most played" playlist. Out of the 25 songs on the list, only seven were available at iTMS.
Sure, one could argue that I have eclectic taste in music, but on the other hand, they are missing some pretty big names: Radiohead, Frank Zappa, John Coltrane, Charlie Parker, Chick Corea...
On an unrelated note, I wonder if iTMS is going to start offering lossless files. That would be cool.
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I asked my G5 to play itself at a game of "Global Compression Format War". It started by launching a powerful attack out of Germany, targetting every continent simultaneously. Then Washington fired back at Germany, and within a few months OSS bases around the world joined the fray. The record industry suffered heavy casualties, but just as things were looking really grim, a coordinated nerve gas attack on their behlf, out of California, neutralized their enemies... but only temporarily. Norway distributed a powerful antidote... the secret formula was banned in the US though, so manufacturing was moved to India. And on it went with this simulation... util after exhausting every possible scenario, it concluded:
"The only winning move is not to play."
Can't way to see how Apple tried to lock people in to a lossless format... best of luck to you guys, and have fun pissing away your resources on this stupid game.
This whole limit of computers is kind of redundant if they let you burn audio cd's. Aren't most people burning an audio cd, and then ripping to MP3 from there?
Apple Lossless Encoding
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So let's bring out the ALE and get drunk celebrating.
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Can someone explain why I can't install it through my preferred medium?
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My work PC is behind an authenticating firewall, so I was never able to log into iTMS and consequently was not able to authorize my work PC to play my purchased music. When I launched 4.5, it brought up the IE dialog box for entering my firewall password, and voila... I could enter the iTMS and log into my account!
I love the addition of two more authorized computers as well. I'm getting a new PB this spring to give my four Macs/PCs that I would have iTunes on and now I can keep them all authorized!
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Though I'll admit that the join-tracks feature was much-welcomed, what else did iTunes users get? Instead of downloading songs with propietary DRM, now we can encode our songs with a new proprietary DRM--songs that won't play on anything else? I think I'll stick with FLAC. The ability to publish my important music playlists for the whole world to see? I think I'll stick with Audioscrobbler. A free song from another bland RIAA-sponsored band? Epitonic has always provided a good sampling of independent artists and their music for you to try out. A wishlist to download those Top 40 songs later? Well, why don't I just download the songs now off allofmp3 now with their ridiculously low prices, in whatever format I want, without DRM? Import unprotected WMA files? Winamp
Has anyone gotten it to work under wine? I'd love to be able to use it under Linux, but since they don't seem to be forthcoming on a native client, at least it would be a way to let me give them money! ;-)
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Some initial, unofficial reports are coming in that a 4mb AAC translates to about 30mb Apple Lossless.
I only came here to do two things; kick some ass, and drink some beer...looks like we're almost out of beer.
Well, I suppose there might be the honest folks who see $0.99 per song as a value as well...
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According to comments in ipodlounge, this new version won't allow playback of Playfair DRM stripped AAC files.
Nice to release on the anniversary, and draw some attention.
My one complaint with the service is that you can't download the source file multiple times. So, I may have a license to listen to it, but I have to get the file from somewhere, if I lose it. They let you listen to your music on 5 machines, but you have to transport the file itself to those machines, by yourself. A real pain in the butt.
Beyond that, it's fantastic, and I recommend it to anyone shopping for a service.
-Patrick
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Notice that the DRM scheme has changed. You can now burn 7 playlists to CD when it used to be 10. However, the flip side is that you can now authorize 5 computers as opposed to the old scheme of 3.
Not a bad tradeoff in my opinion. I can't remember the last time I played a physical CD. Sure, there are going to be those that complain about not having the CD but really, the idea of digital music is so that you don't have to lug around a CD.
No trees were harmed in the composition of this; however, numerous electrons were inconvenienced.
More important than this update is Apple's new push to provide music to college campuses. Their information is available here http://www.apple.com/education/itunesoncampus/. As a Penn State studnet whos money is being wasted by a garbage contract with Napster, I hope that iTunes begins to displace Napster all over the country. Napster is a shoddy, two bit service that offers a marginal utility at best. I'm rooting for iTunes and AAC in the battle for university contracts.
And maybe this is available in other MP3 players - but this is my list after setting up some new Smart Lists this morning:
1. Nested lists: so I could have one list that says "if genre = rock", then a sublist that just has "if My Rating is > 3" or "if year published is 2" and the other "if My Rating is > 3" (which I use to differentiate between "Background work music" and "Driving kick ass music".
2. Copy playlists: Another major issue with the above is that if I have 2 playlists that are 90% the same, I'd like to set the first one up, then just copy the list logic into a new one and only edit the 1 or 2 differences.
3. iSync iTunes I have a laptop, and so does my wife. Right now, all of our music sits on a Master hard drive on a Powermac, then synced to my iPod, which when I'm at work I plug into my laptop and place on "manual" (so it doesn't copy the laptop music files). This works out, but it's not what I'd like.
What I'd like is to go home, sit with my laptop and have it say "Oh, I see Playlists X, Y, and Z on your main computer have updated, and I've updated these MP3 tracks ratings/tags/etc. Let me sync up."
Then I could select the lists I want on my laptop from the main machine and only those files would be copied to my box. Since, if I buy music from the iTunes Music Store I can play it on 5 separate machines, it would be nice to have an "auto-sync" kind of system.
I think that's about it for now. I like the option of a new lossless recording (if I ever get my computer tied into a good sound system I can use it - I think there's some new devices that can stream from your Mac to from about $200 that might be worth a look).
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iTunes on Campus, which lets academic institutions site license iTunes Music Store content for their users delivered by Akamai's distributed network, which now not only includes over 700,000 songs from all 5 major labels and 450 independent labels, but also thousands of audiobooks, periodicals, and journals.
Also new is the ability to import unprotected WMA into iTunes, and an iPod update to support Apple Lossless Encoder.
And last, iMovie 4.0.1 has been released.
http://www.apple.com/education/itunesoncampus/
A couple weeks ago there was a discussion on /. about iTMS. One of the points I made is that I haven't used iTunes in a while because I have 4 computers at home and it was a hassle to keep authorizing/deauthorizing them because you were limited to three authorized systems. Another point was made that Apple should expand the number of authorized computers to 5 because their OS X "family plan" lets you install OS X on up to 5 computers...therefore they should be consistent.
As for reducing the playlist burn amount from 10 to 7, I don't think anyone will notice. Although CDRs are dirt cheap, they are pretty wasteful for the small amount of music they hold. Flash and HD music players are the way to go.
Good work, Apple! Next step: Get the songs I buy on iTMS to work with TiVo's Home Media Option.
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hmm, isn't that pretty bad actually? can't you get that kind of compression(get 40mb wav into 20mb file) with just zip&others on pretty easily anyways, fucking _ten_years_ago_.
Try playing a .zip file on your iPod...
what will be real interesting is if APPLE start selling lossless from the iTMS.
Previously the DRM limitations forced people to burn to cd then re-rip with out drm. the problem with this is
drm'ed mp3 > cd > mp3
the problem was that drm'ed mp3 !=mp3
because when the mp3 is ripped from the burned cd, it will not be indentical to the original mp3.
with lossless encoding this problem is fixed because
drm'ed lossless > cd > lossless
drm'ed lossless = lossless.
Obvioulsy APPLE is aware of this, they have effectively removed the DRM issue (at least for files that start as lossless)
The Party Shuffle feature gets rave reviews from me.
In the past, I have used a playlist I call "now playing" to move music in and out of during a party. This can be a real pain when you really just want to play a few playlists back to back.
Party Shuffle changes all that. It allows you to easily DJ a party. You select how many "just played" songs and how many "upcoming songs to show. You then select a source, be it your music library or a playlist or a smart playlist (think Rock or Pop where 1979 year 1990). You then can easily manage what is coming up in the list and view what just got played. You can click the "refresh" (where Burn and Import are) and the list will be regenerated at random. You can also give preference to the higher ranked songs in your library.
Lastly, and this is a feature of the entire music library, not just playlists or Party Shuffle, the same "arrow" icons that show up in the iTMS when you search for a song are present in iTunes. This means you can click an arrow for a song name, album, or artist and it will launch a search on iTMS. But say you don't like that feature? Well you can of course turn it off in preferences, but you may also hodl down "option" and click it. The result? it searches only YOUR library, not the iTMS.
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No. If you try to compress a wav file with zip, rar, etc., you will get very little compression. There is very little repeated data in a wav file. Looking at a wav file with the knowledge that it is audio, however, allows for decent lossless audio compression.
Hm, and I was about to re-rip all my CDs at 320 kbps MP3 ...
You either have very few CDs or way too much time on your hands.
I was considering making higher bit rate versions of my library but would only hire my brother to do it for me (over 200 albums).
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can't you get that kind of compression(get 40mb wav into 20mb file) with just zip&others
Absolutely, for WAV files which are half silence.
They don't warn you that once you upgrade, you can't access shared music on older versions of iTunes. Now I have to go upgrade all my systems.
Don't install it if you don't have time to upgrade all your computers, if that sort of thing matters to you.
I don't know about you, but to me half the size of uncompressed audio sounds like a lot. How do gzip, bzip2 and FLAC stack up?
Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
Actually, Zipping a wav file will do absolutely nothing. There's way too much entropy in a regular song to find similar patterns which it can compress. Also, FLAC only get's about a 60% compression ratio, meaning 100 MB of wav turns into 60 MB of flac
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Actually, iTunes does support several competing players, and has since well before the iPod's appearance. It's not something they advertise much, but it is there.
I'm a bit of an audiophile, and lossless is pretty much key. Or, at least a minor loss is acceptable. With about 2000 cd's, there's no way I'm going to start purchasing online music, without the ability to retrieve lost files. But, I would very much like to encode my collection, and basically use it as backup, or more likely proof in my court case against the RIAA when they storm my house with the FBI questioning where I got all that music...
And, as you mention, pretty much everything I listen to is unavailable. Now where are those terabyte drives?
I when I saw "Apple Lossless encoding" a part of me got really excited thinking that they had finally decided to start supporting FLAC files, but just given it their own name.
That doesn't seem to be the case. These files are given the file extension '.m4a'. Attempting to decode them with the CLI flac program only produces errors.
It's a shame too, because FLAC is really starting to pick up as the lossless format of choice for internet distribution. In certain cirlces at least. If Apple had decided to throw their weight behind, it could have really taken off.
I'll join when they get In Flames and Nightwish.
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I don't understand why Apple isn't getting these apps running under Linux... Or Palm... Or Symbian. Damnit Steve, stop playing the proprietary game already. I respect software which needs to be purchased, but only on apple hardware, or windows--your main competition--is just wierd. Use a few million in cash and get the software ported. I have enough shiny Apple hardware... but, lets talk about that rumored phone... iWant.
At the time iTunes for Windows was launched, I went to the suggestions page at apple.com and suggested a WMA importer for iTunes, and suggested on /. that others do the same, as a malrge number of users have ripped all their music to WMA and therefore couldn't play it in iTunes.
I am glad Apple were listening - it's really pleasing to see a major company release a tool which will reduce the number of Windows Media files in existence in the world.
I have been a user for about 10 years. This ends Feb 2014. The site's been ruined. I'm off. Dice, FU
Until they remove DRM. Don't let them control what you can do with your files
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I think the point needs to be made that as good as all the itunes seems to be, everybody is forgetting one critical fact;
You can not resale the music that you have purchased like with a regular LP, tape, or CD. Apple has purposefully left out first sale rights as it would erode the artificial value of the music. Even if there was a mechanism to erase all your copies and resale your itunes to someone else, Apple would not allow it, as this would put downward price pressure on the music Apple sells.
The music industry has controlled the price of CDs through illegal collusion, and probably are still managing to do so. Itunes is a natural extension of artificially controlling the price of music.
If normal economic forces were allowed to take over, there are quite a few industry executives that would no longer be able to afford their drug habit.
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Stuff you rip yourself has no (technical) restrictions (beyond those you impose upon yourself because you want to be a good citizen and neither break the law nor undermine artists.)
So, yeah, you have all those things and a little more.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
Just occured to me that iTunes isn't just for the computer, in the sense that all formats that are 'officially' supported are designed to work with the iPod. iTunes will generally accept anything that Quicktime does, but this fact is not advertised as such to avoid people complaining that they can't use these files with their iPod. If Apple chose to use their own format, as opposed to FLAC, there could be a number of reasons:
- lock-in?
- not made here attitude?
- FLAC lacks a good integer based decoder?
- ALE has some yet unadvertised advantage of FLAC?
- something else?
I have no idea which it is, but time will give us the answer.
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
Instead of downloading songs with propietary DRM, now we can encode our songs with a new proprietary DRM--songs that won't play on anything else? I think I'll stick with FLAC.
Are you refering to Apple Lossless encoding? This is not a DRMed encoding. It is lossless and creates large files (8-10 times as large as an AAC or MP3) but is not copy protected.
You also ripped on iTunes not working with other music players. This is just FUD. It most certainly works with a large list of 3rd party players.
Finally, I noticed how many links ot other applications, little addons, etc you listed. I ask you, is it worth all the trouble of locating these other applications and getting them to work with something other than iTunes? Why not just use the complete package. Nothing is going to satisfay everyone, but are your complaints against iTunes loading slowly or not being able to download songs off an iPod as easily as you want really worth the hastle?
Me thinks you wish you had an iTunes/iPod music solution but are trying to justify why you haven't spent the money.
I only came here to do two things; kick some ass, and drink some beer...looks like we're almost out of beer.
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This is the same "Join Tracks" feature that iTunes has had for the past couple versions. It imports multiple tracks from a CD as one track. This results in one long track, in one file. This is not what is traditionally considered "gapless playback", which is taking multiple tracks/files and playing them all back without a gap in between the tracks.
"Join tracks" is an unacceptible solution, IMHO. I still use iTunes, though. I just live with the small gaps.
I hope to god this is redundant.. I'd be really scared if I was the only one who noticed.
This is exactly what the anti-DRM nazis were talking about.. they CHANGED the licensing agreement and nobody cares.
Do you realize what this means? They could simply one day revoke all but 1 of your machine licenses, put all your m4p's into one big encrypted image, and turn your genitals into scrambled eggs and there's nothing you can do about it because YOU agreed to it by buying DRM.
Sure, THIS time it's not a big deal, in fact most people will be happy with this new way of doing things.. but doesn't it bother you that they can take as well as give?
Seven burns down from Ten on tracks you already own.
Think about that..
And no, I'm not a stinkin pirate or anything like that. Just think if the implications
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Apple's new lossless codec isn't included, but will have a tough time beating the speed/size ratio of Monkey's Audio.
They only removed it for sharing over the internet, not the LAN.
It seems that Apple could do the same thing that they're doing with DRM, and authorize 5 computers to share via IP. (on different subnets) - I have no interest in P2Ping music with all the leaches out there, but the ability to share my Library over the net with a few others would be quite welcome. (iTunes 4.0.1?) It seems like iTunes is one program that really shows the limitations that the RIAA puts on Apple. Of course, I could get an iRaise, and go buy an iPod, but i'Ve got enough iCrap to carry around.
Josh
FLAC - Free Lossless Audio Codec
The more times an iTMS-available artist shows up on user-submitted playlists, the more sales for that artist are generated.
The more times an iTMS-unavailable artist shows up on user-submitted playlists, the more pressure Apple has to try to sign that artist.
I like where this is going.
"Why Subscribe?" Good question...
Then you're not trying very hard. In iTunes:
Create new smart playlist, match contition Play Count, pick >,=,, pick a number.
Not to hard
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The "join" feature still only works during CD ripping, there's not way to join tracks that you've purchased from the store or already imported. This is SO annoying. The systems have more than enough computing power to merge these songs without having to start over.
I'm guessing I will have to cave in and re-rip all my CDs that should not have gaps between the songs.
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I thought it was pretty cool at first to be able to shift-click (on Windows here at work) the arrows and have it search my collection - but it doesn't seem to make much sense. For example, say I shift-click the arrow next to an artist, Lackluster. It shows me all the music I have by Lackluster, but what I usually want is all the music by Lackluster *AND* the stuff he's remixed. I suppose if you don't have any remixes or don't care about them, this wouldn't matter, but in any case, no matter what, it just seems to make more sense to just use iTunes' little search field up at the top. I know what I'm looking for, I just type it in, and up it comes. iTunes' search makes even browsing unnecessary for me most of the time.
I think those little arrows were some marketer's idea to get people to buy more music on iTMS, and then they thought they'd better make them do something else so it wasn't so blatant, so they threw in the option/shift-click thing to zero in on stuff in the local collection. I guess if you just really don't want to use the keyboard, the little arrows would help, but for me, they just clutter up the screen. Thank goodness they made it an optional feature!
I might be interested in using them to find my music/artists in the iTMS, except that the iTMS really doesn't have pretty much anything I'd be interested in (or don't already have). I know that's more a reflection on me than the iTMS, but that's how it is.
Well the results are in and between Apple's Press release and the Steve Jobs conference call there are many numbers to consider.
140,000,000 - Annualized song sales at current rate
100,000,000 - Number of songs projected to be sold in 1st year
70,000,000 - Number of songs sold the first 365 days of the service
2,700,000 - Current rate of songs sold per week
1,000,000 - Number of songs available by the end of 2004
700,000 - Number of songs available now (5/04)
450 - Number of indy publishers with music on-line
10 - Previously allowable identical CD burns
7 - Currently allowable identical CD burns
5 - Current number of authorized PCs and/or Macs
3 - Previous number of authorized PCs and/or Macs
70% - Market share of iTMS digital music sales
5% - Market share of Apple desktop/laptop/server sales
0 - Number of more successful on-line music services
I only came here to do two things; kick some ass, and drink some beer...looks like we're almost out of beer.
This ought to shut-up the iTunes critics. Lets see what Napster does to try and compete with this.
It's interesting how Apple has chosen to enable two lossless codecs into 4.5. On the one hand, you can use iTunes to import your CD's into it's own Apple (potentially proprietary) lossless format, or you can now import losslessly encoded (or not) WMA files which iTunes converts to AAC.
(Thinking aloud) Prior to reading about 4.5 this morning, I was encoding my CD collection into a FLAC archive. Using foobar2000 I could then encode my FLAC collection to just about any other format, including AAC. Up until iTunes 4.5 however, there was no direct method of importing losslessly encoded formats (other than wav files). Importing WMA vs FLAC now makes this process at least one step easier - Windows Media Player's WMA tagging is also extremely easy. Using foobar2000, one can also transcode WMA files into virtually any other format as well. WMA arguably has more overall support than FLAC - at least as far as portables are concerned. I'm not saying I'll switch away from FLAC, but it may be worth investigating.
I find it very odd how a new version of iTunes has me reconsidering WMA as an option for archiving my CD collection, especially as their own lossless codec was released on the same day.
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albums that were composed as albums and not as a buch of songs. Which in the spirits of some artists, is a reality, and not plain bundling of songs.
Try to listen to Pynk floyd's 'The Wall' in random mode for example.
Don't be silly! If you wanted FLAC and Vorbis playback, 16 hours of battery life, and gapless or crossfaded playback, you'd just buy a Rio Karma.
(Seriously.)
The music I purchased before under the 10 burn/3 computer DRM could remain under that DRM. All I have to do is NOT AGREE TO THE NEW DRM. This would keep me from buying new music with this user ID, as I have to agree to the DRM, but would not effect the old music.
So Apple is faced with an issue. They couldn't just cut something out, without giving people a reason to agree to it. I nthis case, to continue shopping at the store and gain the ability to use 2 extra computers, I have to give up 3 identical CD burns. Big deal. Th emost I have ever burned is 2.
I see your point, but I think that reasonable business desires will keep DRM in check because otherwise, people wouldn't buy it at all.
I only came here to do two things; kick some ass, and drink some beer...looks like we're almost out of beer.
You CAN sell you music. This was already argued and brought to a head by the eBay auction. Apple's response was "Yes, you can sell your tracks, but why bother?"
Granted, there is no mechanism to do it (yet), but you could indeed sell your entire library at once by simply transferring your account to someone else.
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Does iTunes 4.5 support CD Text? I have yet to understand why iTunes hasn't had this support! Just about every burner on the planet supports it. Even factory car stereos support it now.
So it averages 21 songs per Ipod sold. May be a low number if Ipods only played songs downloaded from Itunes....But fortunatlly they also play good old fashioned MP3's ripped from an existing CD collection.
But leave it to the Apple freaks to wonder why people are not paying iTunes for songs they have already purchased on CD.
(+1 Funny) only if I laugh out loud.
While you're right that the agreement can be changed, this isn't more restrictive in any way, it's less.
Seven burns down from Ten on tracks you already own. Think about that.
Actually, this is wrong. First, you can burn non-DRMed songs as many times as you want. Second, you also have unlimited burns of protected songs...BUT, you can only burn the *same playlist* 7 times. You can make a new playlist - with the songs in the exact same order - and burn another 7 times. As many times as you want. This restriction is simply to make it impractical to make 1000 copies of some new album you downloaded from iTunes with a CD recorder tower. You can still burn the music that you bought an unlimited number of times (which, incidentally, strips it of all DRM as well).
When is Apple going to allow unlimited playing of iTMS songs (while connected through broadband) for a flat fee? That's what keeps me on Rhapsody. For a flat fee I can play just about anything through my computer. The drawbacks are that you can't play downloaded songs through its interface, and it's Windows-only. I would love to use iTunes but I've become addicted to infinite choice of music.
You can now use other playlists as criteria for a Smart Playlist. Create one playlist that is a combination of several other playlists.
Technically, lossless has nothing do with quality either, at least not directly speaking. What lossless means is this:
If you take a file containing raw audio (WAV for example), compress with lossless compression, and then decompress back to WAV, the resulting file is bit-for-bit identical to the original.
Of course iTunes 4.5 will play the file that you de-DRM'd previously.
But playfair/FairTunes do *NOT* work now. I just tried to de-DRM a file I bought from iTMS, and guess what? Now it errors out, telling me that this computer isn't authorized to play the file. I can still play the file in iTunes, but I can't de-DRM it with FairTunes.
So no, it doesn't still work.
Hi Josh,
iTunes can play any audio file that Quicktime can play, so we could very easily have FLAC in iTunes if someone with the relevant expertise could be found to make a Quicktime Component that plays back FLAC.
There's already one for Ogg-Vorbis, but it doesn't seem to do Ogg-FLAC.
Of course, this wouldn't be as good as native FLAC support in iTunes, because I doubt things like the track meta data tags would be recognized through Quicktime. Still, it would be cool...
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Apple is simply the first to offer it integrated into a big package...with a marketing campaign... 50% percent on average compression has been available for some time: http://www.firstpr.com.au/audiocomp/lossless/
The iPod (and iTunes) already supports WAV format.
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You own a car that has an interior noise floor lower than 40-50dB? You'd have to have such a vehicle to be able to detect a S/N ratio of better than 65dB or so, which is what it sounds like you're describing (max volume - noise floor > source S/N ratio). Have you even TRIED listening to an iPod coming in through RCA inputs to compare the sound against your in-dash unit's D/A conversion? If you've done so, and the results were truly audible, then I apologize.
Look, I'm a car audio snob as much as the next guy (sealed-box sub in the trunk, 5-channel amp, component door units with high-mounted tweeters, etc.), but I'm not about to suggest that true audiophile quality sound is possible in MY car (1997 Nissan Maxima). In my experience, there's simply too much ambient road noise, particularly in the sub50 Hz range and too many issues concerning accurate soundstage (misc reflections as well as dramatic phase issues related to my proximity to the driver's side speakers) to consider any car-audio system to be truly competitive with an above-average home system.
Tim
Even in that case, though, it shouldn't be too hard for the software to see that the sound stops abruptly half-way through the last frame, and infer the endpoint?
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When I upgraded my iTunes and launched it for the first time, Little Snitch reported that it was trying to communicate to a server on wcg.net. Here is a "Whois" for wcg.net.
Registrant:
Williams Communications Group (WCG3-DOM)
111 E. 1st ST.
Tulsa, OK 74103-2808
US
Domain Name: WCG.NET
Administrative Contact:
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Anyone have a clue why?
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To quickly assess how well the new iTunes 4.5 lossless compression scheme works I picked 10 songs at random from my collection to convert to Apple Lossless Encoder format. The good news is that each song only took a few seconds to convert on my 1.0 GHz PowerBook. Noticeably faster than when I ripped them to WAV files. Unfortunately the compression ratio is not that good. The aggregate compression ratio of the ten songs was 1.5:1. The min, median and max were 1.3:1, 1.5:1 and 1.8:1. This is by no means a thorough evaluation, as my collection is heavily skewed to rock music and far more samples would be required. I would have expected far better however, given that the high correlation between the two stereo channels gives an almost brain dead 2:1 compression to start with, and other lossless projects on the web claim closer to 4:1.
Hah. I will trade you a DBA for that Comm major.
I once had to explain the concept of adding a negative number to a positive number, and why 1 + (-1) = 0 instead of 2. I found it very scary when that DBA got the "glazed-eye syndrome".
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You don't have to pay for the component after a QuickTime update. You can view past orders on the Apple store and re-download the updated MPEG-2 component. I've had to do this after two Quicktime updates that broke the component.
So how could they start offering a download format that averages around 45 megs per song and not loose even more money on the bandwidth?
Apple Lossless is an encoding scheme for music you import into iTunes, not music you buy from the iTunes Music Store. iTMS still uses 128kbps AAC files.
I cannot believe that is does not allow sorting by the exclamation column (at least on windows). My biggest problem is when I have to remove the underlying files and rebuild the database. It would be nice to sort by all the missing songs and then delete a large chunk of them at once. Or add an option to rebuild the database for you.
Does sorting work on OS X for anyone?
Yes, that's one part of the problem. There is an inherent gap in a compressed audio file due to space being left over (usually) in the last frame. So even buffering in such a way that the decoded audio samples run right up against each other doesn't work.
What does work is ripping the whole CD as one continuous file and using a cuesheet in the metadata to store track info. Song names, start/stop times, etc. Then modify the player to skip around just as if they were different tracks.
THAT part surely isn't too hard. I just don't think Apple is interested because most users don't give a shit. Send feedback now.
What ever happened to FLAC, Monkey Audio, and all the other lossless audio compression formats ? Why couldn't apple use one of those rather than reinvent the wheel yet again ?
They are acting more and more like Microsoft.
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My 20GB 2nd-gen iPod (as in, the no-dock variety) was giving me trouble too, so I restored it to factory settings, and the install worked fine. Just make sure you pull off anything you can't live without (if you need to pull the songs off, I'd recommend iPodRip or iPod Access). Good luck to ya!
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Why does a book have chapters? Why does a play have acts? Why does a symphony have movements, for that matter?
For an interesting counter-example, one of Kyuss's albums has 4 tracks, with 3 tracks per song. Although a couple of them were later separated out on the 'best of' cd.