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Anti-Wi-Fi Wallpaper

Alephcat writes "New Scientist is reporting on a wallpaper that can prevent hackers accessing secure networks via Wi-Fi - without blocking mobile phone signals - that's been developed by a British defence contractor. It is based on covert 'stealth' technology that was originally designed to hide military radars."

233 comments

  1. Where'd The Town Go? by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny
    It is based on covert 'stealth' technology that was originally designed to hide military radars."

    "Heathrow Tower, we can see London, but RADAR says it doesn't exist, then this weird music starts playing and this guy gets up from his seat with a big book and says we've entered some twilight thingie!"

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    1. Re:Where'd The Town Go? by Richard+Dick+Head · · Score: 1

      Heh. RADAR isn't the only thing that wall paper protects you from....*cough* Chicks

  2. That's fine... but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    what's to stop me from establishing a VPN connection over my GPRS cell? Either way, they can't win.

    1. Re:That's fine... but by Have+Blue · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The article says the main threat this targets is outsiders. They don't care if you VPN out from inside the building- physical security is meant stop you from getting in in the first place if you're not authorized. But you won't be able to get on wireless base stations inside the building if you're outside it.

    2. Re:That's fine... but by retostamm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you turn it into "block" mode, it will block all frequencies, so your Cell won't work either. Of course, you could get that effect with tin foil :)

    3. Re:That's fine... but by FireFury03 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Seems like a far more sensible (and cheap) way to deal with the insecurity of wireless networks is to use frickin' secure protocols!

      I mean, how hard is it to run IPSEC over the network?!?

    4. Re:That's fine... but by Anonymous+Writer · · Score: 1

      Seems like a far more sensible (and cheap) way to deal with the insecurity of wireless networks is to use frickin' secure protocols!

      Or you could simply use wired networks.

    5. Re:That's fine... but by FireFury03 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Or you could simply use wired networks.

      In situations where wired networks are a good solution I see absolutely no reason to use wireless networks - wired networks are faster, more reliable, more secure. However there are a lot of situations where wireless networks are useful - I have a wireless network so I can move my notebook anywhere in my house without having to get tangled up in long network cables. On a factory floor I can see many times where you might want to access the corporate LAN or the internet without having to plug cables in. Like it or not, there are many situations where a wired network in impractical, but IMHO if you don't understand security you have absolutely no business setting up a wireless network - go pay someone who has a clue and get them to do it.

    6. Re:That's fine... but by stilwebm · · Score: 1

      Or you could simply use wired networks.

      If you read the article, you'll see that this product is aimed at offices and campuses where wired ethernet ports are plenty but users may break policy and install an unauthorized wireless access point. Most users who do this are likely to keep default settings including no encryption.

    7. Re:That's fine... but by Zebbers · · Score: 1

      Why use wireless at all then? I'm not seeing the point. Maybe if the outside of the building was shielded, but a room?

    8. Re:That's fine... but by kenny4269 · · Score: 1

      It's good to know that the mods don't read the article either.

    9. Re:That's fine... but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's amazing how many people I see everyday that refuse to have their wireless network professionally installed and instead choose to leave themselves wide open. At least it gives me free internet (and hours of fun with kismet), as most of these people live very close to my area, and have no idea how to set up a secured wireless network.

  3. Dupe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't we already have this a month or so back?

    1. Re:Dupe? by MortisUmbra · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, give it up, I don't think they care....honestly neither do I at this point....just glad I dont pay for /.

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    2. Re:Dupe? by Frizzle+Fry · · Score: 1

      The dupes do seem to getting worse though. Every time I checked the site last week, that same story about five hundred and three services being unavailable had been posted on the front page again. Don't know what the story was about because there never seemed to be any comments.

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  4. Deja Vu by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1, Informative

    I have the oddest feeling of Deja Vu. Haven't we seen this story before? Like two weeks ago?

    1. Re:Deja Vu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:Deja Vu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there is a bug in the matrix

  5. 1280x1024? by spinflip · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does it come in 1280x1024?

    1. Re:1280x1024? by jZnat · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but you have to use the "Stretch" feature which distorts the look so badly, it's like peering into Goatse's anus.

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    2. Re:1280x1024? by earthforce_1 · · Score: 1

      Never mind that - would it look ok applied to my car?

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    3. Re:1280x1024? by DragonMagic · · Score: 4, Funny

      Real geeks have 3200x1200 desktops, using dual 21" flat panel monitors.

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    4. Re:1280x1024? by JAgostoni · · Score: 2, Funny

      As much as parent's post was a joke, this is the first thing that came to mind. Did they come out with some sort of interference pattern in desktop wallpaper? I am dissapointed now....

    5. Re:1280x1024? by WeblionX · · Score: 1

      Or maybe just the geeks who can afford it.

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    6. Re:1280x1024? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Real geeks live in their parent's basement and can't afford that.

    7. Re:1280x1024? by irenetheno · · Score: 2, Funny

      You're not alone.

    8. Re:1280x1024? by Junta · · Score: 2, Funny

      A *REAL* geek is satisfied with a VT or Wyse terminal.

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    9. Re:1280x1024? by Junta · · Score: 1

      All joking aside, 1280x1024 is the abomination of resolutions. Whoever first did that should be beaten. Why in the world did this resolution come to exist and now damn us with so many LCDs with that native resolution?

      For those not aware, divide the width by height on the common resultions, all are 4/3 except 1280x1024 (5/4), with 1280x960 being the closest good-ratio resolution. The net of it being something designed for 1280x1024 looks strangely tall on a sane resolution, and something designed for sane resolutions looks vertically short on 1280x1024.

      I have resolved to ban any device with 1280x1024 as the native resolution. It just irks me too much.

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    10. Re:1280x1024? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We all know 1600x1200 is better anyway =)
      And it's 4/3 aswell =)

    11. Re:1280x1024? by realdpk · · Score: 1

      I have a 1280x1024 LCD, and found that to be annoying as well. Many games run at 1280x960. What I ended up doing was I got "PowerStrip", a Windows app, that lets you tweak some settings manually. Basically now when I play those games there's a small bar on top and a small bar on the bottom (about 1/2" each). I don't notice the bars while playing, and the game isn't stretched. Plus I can play games that run at 1280x1024 ;)

      Here are the settings I used:

      Powerstrip screencap

    12. Re:1280x1024? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tried that but my Doom3 frame rate was terrible.

    13. Re:1280x1024? by realdpk · · Score: 1

      Crap. That wasn't it.

      Anyways, the settings for the vertical geometry are:

      Refresh rate 59.352Hz
      Active 960 lines, 15.004 ms
      Front porch 45 lines, 0.703 ms
      Sync width 3 lines, 0.047 ms
      Back porch 70 lines, 1.094
      Total 1078 lines, 16.849ms

      Works very well, and automatically.

    14. Re:1280x1024? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your math is incorrect. Two displays means that the native resolution is either half the width OR half the height, not half of both. So either he has 1600x1200 (yes) or 3200x600 (no) displays.

    15. Re:1280x1024? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LCDs at 1280x1024 aren't nearly as bad as the dolts that run CRTs at 1280x1024. AFAIK, all the 1280x1024 LCDs are made to be 5/4, so unless you're stretching a lower res 4/3 image or video or game to completely fill the screen, everything should look okay. On the other hand, practically every CRT in existence is 4/3, so everything is going to be distorted.

    16. Re:1280x1024? by OmniVector · · Score: 0

      real geeks only need one monitor

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    17. Re:1280x1024? by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      The goofy SXGA LCDs is a reason why I didn't bother with 17" or 19" LCDs. Between 15" and 21", there was no proper 4:3 LCD screen. I don't want to see black bars on 4:3 material just because the screen is too tall, and I didn't want to risk a video player distorting the image because it doesn't know better!

    18. Re:1280x1024? by Frizzle+Fry · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah. I thought "Anit-Wi-Fi Wallpaper" was just going to be a BMP that says "WiFi Sucks!".

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  6. Everyone get ready.... by wolfemi1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... For an endless barrage of "tin-foil" jokes.

    1. Re:Everyone get ready.... by jekewa · · Score: 1

      I was gonna try, but now you've ruined it.

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    2. Re:Everyone get ready.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was the first thing I looked for. Set to -1 and search on foil. Yours was the first foil joke I saw, and it's not even funny.

    3. Re:Everyone get ready.... by wolfemi1 · · Score: 1

      ...has been to turn offices into a signal-proof "Faraday cage", by lining the walls with aluminium foil

      Oops, I meant "aluminum-foil" jokes

  7. New Hats! by zrobotics · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well i guess tinfoil hats are about to be replaced. as an additional bonus, it is now easier to shield your entire body from "the man"!

    1. Re:New Hats! by TopShelf · · Score: 1

      And don't forget that instead of merely reflective tinfoil, you can now protective yourself while wrapped in a wide variety of fashionable colors and designs...

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    2. Re:New Hats! by Loconut1389 · · Score: 1

      now -that- was funny!

    3. Re:New Hats! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      . as an additional bonus, it is now easier to shield your entire body

      I wonder if this could be used to create lightweight shielding for micro- and gamma- wavelengths. It would be better than needing tons of water to protect you from, say, Jupiter's radiation belts while on an extended visit. If it worked resonably well with gamma rays, then you have a nice solution to high-level radioactive waste (besides vaproizing it and fixing the vapor in glass formed into small cement-lined balls.)

      An at the current price per square foot, it would fit in with the rest of the expen$ive space hardware useb by NASA.

  8. What, you want me to put wallpaper on my windows? by radiumsoup · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Or on the ceiling? (Think multi-story apartment complex) Carpet?

    Get real... the people who want security in the first place WON'T USE WIFI.

    It'll never make it to market.

  9. Why limit themselves? by pla · · Score: 2, Insightful

    a wallpaper that can prevent hackers accessing secure networks via Wi-Fi - without blocking mobile phone signals

    But... I want it to block cell phones as well.

    And lining the whole house in foil just looks way too shiney for normal use...

  10. Does it go both ways? by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Can they make wallpaper that enhances my wifi instead of killing it?

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    1. Re:Does it go both ways? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      No problem. See, you just need to install it upside down.

    2. Re:Does it go both ways? by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 1

      Can they make wallpaper that enhances my wifi instead of killing it?

      Put in conducting patterns along the lines of a zone plate, and maybe. That'll be directional, and only work in some places in the room, though.

      What this amounts to is an RF lens, being used as you would use an RF dish.

    3. Re:Does it go both ways? by danish · · Score: 1
      Can they make wallpaper that enhances my wifi instead of killing it?

      For this you will need to send inverse-polarity tachyon pulses into a time-flux capacitor. Don't forget to modulate the pulses at your shield frequency.

    4. Re:Does it go both ways? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      no.

  11. Anti Military Radar... by CODiNE · · Score: 4, Funny

    Heh... I see an army of wallpapered tanks crossing the battlefield. :-)

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    1. Re:Anti Military Radar... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      complete with the martha stewart touch?

    2. Re:Anti Military Radar... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come on, shelf paper!

    3. Re:Anti Military Radar... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Printed with a sunflower pattern? Have a sunnay day!

  12. Re:Sounds nice, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did you even read the blurb?

  13. Re:Sounds nice, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    RTFA.

    "New Scientist is reporting on a wallpaper that can prevent hackers accessing secure networks via Wi-Fi - without blocking mobile phone signals."

  14. *ahem* by Sonic+McTails · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I don't really see this stopping hackers that are determined. I use my own cell phone as a modem to transfer data all the time. Since it lets celluar signals through, it would be very easy to just connect to the net like this.

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    1. Re:*ahem* by Evil+Adrian · · Score: 1

      How are you going to connect to someone else's WiFi network on a cellular signal?

      This wallpaper is to keep people OUT, not to keep people IN.

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    2. Re:*ahem* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This wallpaper is to keep people OUT, not to keep people IN.

      It depends on which way you hang it... ;-P

  15. OK, I Admit It by ReadParse · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah, I thought they meant software wallpaper... like a JPG covering my desktop. "How the hell would THAT work?" I wondered. Feeling silly now.

    RP

    1. Re:OK, I Admit It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read it the same way... thought "How in Hades did they do that?!" Don't feel bad... you're not the only idiot around.

      Praise that `Post Anonymous` button, too ;o)

    2. Re:OK, I Admit It by jZnat · · Score: 1

      I'll admit it too. I was very confused as to how an image could block outside connections to a WiFi access point.

      Wait a sec...

      *goes to patent idea*

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    3. Re:OK, I Admit It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      like a JPG covering my desktop. "How the hell would THAT work?"

      Goatse

      Anyone who pwnz (or shoulder surfs) your machine and looks at your wallpaper gets a nasty suprise.

    4. Re:OK, I Admit It by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      Well, if a) your access point can be set to intercept all HTTP requests and send back a specific web page/image, and b) that image happens to be the goatsex guy, or tubgirl....

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  16. Same principal as a microwave door. by Trespass · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Kind of neat, but I worry about the fragility of the wallpaper in any kind of commercial or industrial setting. It seems to me such a material would be far more useful incorporated in a vapor barrier *inside* the wall. I know it would be an expensive retrofit that way, but how else would you deal with drop ceilings and the masses of ducting and cabling therein?

    1. Re:Same principal as a microwave door. by bsd4me · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the wallpaper is basically a big RF choke.

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    2. Re:Same principal as a microwave door. by L7_ · · Score: 1

      Actually, "stealth" technology isn't the same as the material used in microwave doors. I'm not too up into the physics of microwaves, but I can tell you that the "small particle physics" involved in the stealth technology is different than the material science dampening that is used for microwaves.

      What happens in the stealth case, is that a collection of molecules absorb electromagnetic radiation to excite thier vibrational states. The wavelength range absorbed of the radiation is dependent and on the order on the size of the molecules used. AFAIK, the small particle is the only way to absorb EM radiation in the radar frequency bands. This is different in that there is no EM radiation "reflected" (or transmitted through the material), the EM radiation just excites the molecules and the energy is converted into vibration.

      The problem with the method isn't in the physics, its in the application. When you combine the small particles with an adhesive or paint, you change the properties of the material and it will no longer absorb the radiation. This is why the stealth bomber in its early missions could not fly in the rain: its "stealth paint", which was just layered on without an adhesive, would wash off.

    3. Re:Same principal as a microwave door. by nytewyng · · Score: 1
      Yes, that does pose a problem of degradation. Perhaps they could combine it with a jamming technology (ie, broadcast noise at the Wi-Fi frequency range) outside of the building. Even if there is some stray signal leaking out, the jammer would ensure that it is unusable.

      And the jamming should not affect networks inside, because the wallpaper should block both ways (as I understand it). If it does not block, because of leaks, then it should be relatively easy to pickup that noisy radiation leaking in and patch it.

      Perhaps the way to go is a 'wallpaper' where one side is the blocking rf choke grid, and the other side is an array antenna which is used to broadcast the blocking signal. Perhaps we should patent this (though it is predicated on us getting the blocking wallpaper to license their tech to us!).

    4. Re:Same principal as a microwave door. by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      cripes a low-tech version of this is called aluminum siding and aluminum storm windows with aluminum screening. effective to kill a wifi AP sitting 6 inches from one side and any kind of gear trying to connect on the other.

      So this makes most houses improved in the late 80's wifi-proof.

      I simply extended the aluminum screening all the way up in all windows and effectively cut off all the neighbors. the only leak points I have are the front door window and the sliding glass door in back, both fixable with aluminum screening in the storm door and the screen door.

      I dont need no "stealth" technology, All I need is a good metal conductor.

      hell, GC electronics sold a conductive RF shielding paint back in the early 90's that would also do the job just as well.

      Nothing new here, just someone marketing old RF shielding as something new.

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    5. Re:Same principal as a microwave door. by Trespass · · Score: 1

      The article was specifically about a material that would block some wavelengths, but allow others to pass through. Aluminum siding does not do this in a precise and controlled way.

    6. Re:Same principal as a microwave door. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      doesn't matter, I still have cellphone coverage in my house, yet nobody around my home can access my WiFi (on the ground) climb up on a 24 foot ladder then you can get the signals.

      cince wifi is 2.4ghz it's highly directional, and is absorbed by living things (trees) the signals spilling out UPwards will not be reflected by the trees.

      why go high tech and spend gobs when low tech works just as well and does the same job.

      I have no problems with cellphone coverage in the house, nobody can get a signal on my wifi outside, I reproduced the same thing at 1/90th the cost and 50 year old technology. It's all about understanding how things work.

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    7. Re:Same principal as a microwave door. by Trespass · · Score: 1

      That might be useful if all sensitive areas consisted of single-story buildings with no taller buildings around them, secured roofs, and no way for anyone outside to tamper with something as sturdy as sheet aluminum.

      It's all about understanding how things work other than in a single anecdote.

  17. Fantastic! by AbbyNormal · · Score: 1

    Now I can trade in my itchy/uncomfortable tin foil hat, with a paper one! Now I will be the cool one wearing a crown-like the ones from Burger King!

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  18. Re:first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    tough luck pal. we all make the same mistake occasionaly. heck, just look at where the gnaa placed this time ;)

  19. Re:What, you want me to put wallpaper on my window by Raptor+CK · · Score: 1, Informative

    What if you don't use wifi, but also want to ensure that no one in your office can attach to a rogue AP?

    I'm sure there are a number of uses for this which have little to do with securing one's own wireless LAN.

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  20. Downloadable version ? by dapyx · · Score: 1, Funny

    Where can we find the downloadable version ? ;-)

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  21. Don't be too hasty... by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Get real... the people who want security in the first place WON'T USE WIFI.

    Uninformed people want security, too, they just don't know it until they've been violated or 0wn3d. One former CIO thought WI-FI was extremely cool until I started showing him the stuff about War-Chalking on Slashdot. Funny reaction, though, seemed I was part of some problem by revealing such things. Must be the PHB self-defense mechanism kicking in... 'didn't make mistake, peon warning of possible security holes is actualy problem, move peon to desk further away, problem solved.'

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    1. Re:Don't be too hasty... by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

      Never trust anyone in a position of authority to do the right thing. Never answer leading questions from them like, "how would you run this shop...", "show me how our system would be compromised...", or "what is your view on [politics/religeon/sports]..."

      Once they have you pigeonholed on their blacklist, your ability to be effective will be much diminished beyond anything they think it is safe for you to do, and your opportunities for moving around and/or up in the company will be sharply curtailed.

      Just because you are the most loyal and effective employee in your office means nothing if they percieve you as otherwise due to their misunderstanding of your skills. As a security/network professional you have a duty to 'know thy enemy' - regardless of how unenlightened your boss may be.

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  22. Just like in The Omen by The+I+Shing · · Score: 1

    Was it in the first Omen movie where the guy had a room that was papered with pages from the Bible in order to keep Satan out?

    ::: tin foil hat joke removed :::
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    1. Re:Just like in The Omen by Aerog · · Score: 1

      Interesting Note:

      Faraday cages, while blocking EM waves, also do a damn find job of blocking Satan. Apparently the Prince of Darkness propogates just like radio.

      The guy in the movie must have bought the New King James Maxwell Bible.

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    2. Re:Just like in The Omen by mopslik · · Score: 1

      Apparently the Prince of Darkness propogates just like radio.

      And lo, ClearChannel was born amidst the piles of burning brimstone.

  23. I bet by WormholeFiend · · Score: 1

    this wood panelling would also do the trick...
    www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns 99992461
    plus wood is so much more stylish than wallpaper

    1. Re:I bet by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Informative

      You Fiend! Making people type "www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992461" when you could have just linked there! The horror, the horror! ;-)

  24. Finally! by seaniqua · · Score: 2, Funny

    Something to replace the tinfoil in my hat!

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    1. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You realize, of course, that this means all those evil Wi-Fi energy rays will now be trapped and concentrated inside the building, right?

  25. That just might be the anser for me by mpost4 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I am selfish, if I pay for my net access, no war driver is allowed on. Right now I am just trying to be harder to get in then my neibores.

    1. Re:That just might be the anser for me by selderrr · · Score: 1

      ehm.. how about encrytpting and securing your network ? leaving your wifi network without password is like a door with no locks. After locking the air + encrypting all data, you're pretty safe. A lot safer than NOT encrytping it and considering this wallpaper safe

    2. Re:That just might be the anser for me by grioghar · · Score: 1

      Then lock down the AP with MAC filtering and WEP, and secure any shares (Folders or printers) with passwords.

      Voila. Is it REALLY that hard?

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    3. Re:That just might be the anser for me by Theatetus · · Score: 1

      Well, WEP may stop an amateur wardriver but not a determined attacker: an attacker who can access the packets can certainly mount a known-plaintext attack and often a chosen-plaintext attack. Limiting access by MAC can reduce the possibility of chosen-plaintext attacks, and physically limiting transmission radius is a good way to lower the cyphertext's exposure and prolong known-plaintext brute force attacks. And obviously, if you're concerned about security, you're going to want to also encrypt whatever higher level protocols are being carried over the 802.11 signal.

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    4. Re:That just might be the anser for me by mpost4 · · Score: 1

      Done, but WEP can be cracked and MAC's can be cloned. but I just want to make sure the best I can, if some one wants into a wireless network they will get in, I just want to make it very hard for them so that they go on to the next network.

    5. Re:That just might be the anser for me by mpost4 · · Score: 1

      Also forgot to put this in, the network will some times, "just stop working" thanks to a pull of the plug. Also Non-Broadcasting SSID (ok it will take maybe only about .5 milliseconds for that to be defeated)

      But I use all I can do to stall

      NonBroadcasting SSID
      WEP at 128
      Mac Address Filtering
      Located in an area so that it has weak signal by the time it gets to the inside walls.
      And it is to the people around unreliable, it could go out for a whole day, or weekend (when I am out of town, or don't care to get on the internet.)

  26. Re:What, you want me to put wallpaper on my window by radiumsoup · · Score: 0

    But still - it would have to be in a windowless, carpetless, fully wallpapered room... might as well be a strong room instead.

  27. Can't see my wife liking this new wallpaper by IronChefMorimoto · · Score: 2, Funny

    WIFE: "What do you mean we need it to prevent the hacker children next door from getting our credit card numbers?"

    HUSBAND: "I know, honey -- it sounds bad, but think of all the information we have flying through the house and out the walls because we don't have this anti-wifi wallpaper in every room."

    WIFE: "What information? You mean three to four hours every Friday and Saturday night of video game data? Are you scared the hacker children next door will get your serial number? Are you scared that THEY too will learn of your porn like I did last week? Christ -- they're 12!"

    HUSBAND: "Hey -- the black hats start early these days, babe. Porn? What porn?"

    WIFE: "Never mind. What's a black hat? What are you friggin' talking about? Enough -- stop bothering me with this tin foil looking wallpaper and help me pick out a nursery paint color."

    HUSBAND: "Are you sure you want paint in the nursery, babe? What if someone hacks our wifi baby monitoring camera because we don't have this wallpaper and decides to kidnap our child?"

    WIFE: "You sad little nerdy man. Shut up and pick out a paint color."

    HUSBAND: "But -- what about our credit card num---"

    WIFE: [SLAP!]

    HUSBAND: "Yes dear -- I like Nemo Yellow."

    HUSBAND: [SIGH]

    IronChefMorimoto

  28. Apparently not needed in old houses by Greg+Larkin · · Score: 1
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    1. Re:Apparently not needed in old houses by mahdi13 · · Score: 1

      Ya, lead paint has an amazing ability to block most radio waves...just don't eat the paint-chips that flake off

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  29. I don't know ... by Rubbersoul · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But it is also the work of moments then for an outsider to breach that company's computer security using the Wi-Fi connection. Unless the Wi-Fi base station is protected by security measures that most amateur users would not bother to set up, it gives anyone up to 100 metres away the chance to bypass the corporate firewall and wirelessly hack straight into the network.

    Yeah, cuz most amateur users are going to install special wallpaper ...

    I understand that some compaines may want this, and it is a cool idea, but if you are going to use Wi-Fi you have better do your best to secure it, not just pray you can keep everyone out with some wall paper.

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    1. Re:I don't know ... by Sheetrock · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Think of it as part of a security solution rather than the whole solution.

      I use a firewall, but I also patch my machines. Some people skip the second step until the first or second time someone brings in a laptop from home and connects it to the internal network, which brings me to the point about running software firewalls on individual machines in addition to the one at the router.

      I agree that this wallpaper is better as a backup defense rather than a primary one, but plays an important part nonetheless. Home laptops are being pushed with WiFi now.

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    2. Re:I don't know ... by C60 · · Score: 1

      I agree, this is part of a security solution.

      For governments, using secure protocols, worker training, and machine patching are *not* enough. Just because a network is secure doesn't not mean that it's not going to be targetted for an attack.

      By utilizing this wallpaper, or other such technologies, the effectively prevent the outside world from even knowning that a potential ingress point exists. This is a very important distinction, and effectively the same thing as physically securing outside data and phone lines coming into a facility. An attacker is more likely to turn away from a possible ingress point if it's totally inaccessible.

      Additionally, it also prevents someone from setting up an access point in a van (down by the river), and connecting to it from within the building for the removal of secure data.

      This level of security is a bit nuts when applied to the average user. However, context is everything, and you must take into account that this is a solution created by the government (well, a contractor), for government use. You know the two examples I gave above are exactly what they were considering.

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  30. Gives a whole new meaning to... by GillBates0 · · Score: 1
    gives a whole new meaning to the word firewall.

    Well, I better go and line my TFH with some Anti-Wi-Fi wallpaper.

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  31. Similar thing for cell phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Although it's illegal. In addition to the wall jammers, there are handheld devices and even alarms that can be set up at a building entrance if someone tries to walk in with a cell phone turned on.

  32. What is this? by Cytlid · · Score: 1

    ... an encore from this article?

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  33. (non)wireless network by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So we can take our wireless network and limit it to a single room? Then why not use a wire? Unless we only wallpaper the walls on the outside of the house, which is rediculous

  34. I live in a faraday cage, but my wife let's me out by lesburn1 · · Score: 0

    I live in a faraday cage, but my wife let's me out to take out the trash.

  35. Something already exists. by jZnat · · Score: 1

    It's called a password. Also works well with 128-bit encryption found in 802.11g lately. I wonder what encryption method this wallpaper uses...

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  36. Mod parent down...didn't RTFA by genixia · · Score: 2, Informative

    If he had, he would have seen;

    that rogue APs are a concern (Strike 1),
    that they are working on transparent window treatments (Strike 2), and
    that they have considered market pricing (Strike 3).

    1. Re:Mod parent down...didn't RTFA by radiumsoup · · Score: 1

      that rogue APs are a concern
      then, as pointed out by another poster, what about GPRS phones?

      that they are working on transparent window treatments
      carpet? ceiling tiles? Doors?

      that they have considered market pricing
      so YOU'RE actually going to buy this stuff, then?

      c'mon, man... look at the attitude of most people posting - this is just someone with a good idea, taking it to an absurd level. Insert forest/trees cliche here.

    2. Re:Mod parent down...didn't RTFA by genixia · · Score: 1

      Security is a process. One risk at a time. I could smash your window in order to burgle your house but I bet you still have door locks. I am sure that anyone installing this wallpaper will be looking at mitigating risks from GPRS 'phones too.

      I'm confident also that if they've thought of walls and windows that the clever folk have also considered doors, floors and roofing.

      And no, _I'm_ not going to buy this stuff (yet). UKP500/m^2 can't be justified. But then again, the only 'secrets' in my house are my personal data. Other peoples' lives don't depend on any of it remaining secret.

      Consider also an anecdotal story:

      Recently my wife got into a fender-bender on a busy road. A few months back I had bought an LED flasher gadget that you can throw onto the road and it flashes a 360 degree pattern to warn other traffic, so I threw that down a few yards behind the car. Later on when all the insurance details had been exchanged, the Accident Investigator cop noticed me picking it up again and we struck up a conversation. It turned out that he had a toolbox in his trunk containing 8 of these gadgets. His department had paid over $500 for them 2 years ago (ie over $60 each). I paid $10 for mine.

      This is typical - many products that consumers can buy at low prices originally were sold at high prices to Government/Aerospace/Military/Defence/Emergency entities. What starts as a low volume niche product becomes commoditized. High initial costs (research, development and production start-up) get eaten by the initial market (the 'guaranteed sales'), and once that initial market is near exhausted, the price drops in order to widen the market and maximise profits.

      Now I don't know whether this product will ever become common in homes (given the current erosions of civil liberties, privacy products might become huge), but you can be sure that the corporate world will buy it. Given that many corporations lease their property I wouldn't be surprised to see office buildings built with this stuff included within the walls.

  37. WEP? by discord5 · · Score: 1

    I know that WEP isn't the most perfect solution there is, but it seems to me that it'll be more practical than redecorating the office/home.

    OK, WEP can be hacked, but it really depends on the amount of traffic there is and the length of the key in question, and to be honest, if you'd really like to be secure you shouldn't use wireless anyway.

    Wireless is convenient, and looks clean. That's why it is such a (moderate) success. Anyone with a laptop agrees that dragging around 100ft of cable from the room with the ethernet plug to the living room looks rather silly. A wireless network is much easier, and avoids having a spouse muttering underneath her breath or children tripping over the cable (and possibly janking a valueble piece of laptop from your lap).

    Buying wifi-proof wallpaper just seems so over the top, even for government agencies, but everyone knows they just want to spend your hard earned taxes on something completely useless (there, I've said it, and I've been waiting to say that ever since I mailed my taxforms).

    1. Re:WEP? by spacepimp · · Score: 1

      wep is breakable because it uses predictable methods of encryption, simple programs and a little bit of time will break the encryption. ill leave the name of the software out of this but i assume most people know whati am speaking of. not to mention one i read about that some prankesters used to inject code into packets using to pcs. i love 802 11 b/g but there is an inherent lack of security. although this wallpaper seems very foolish

    2. Re:WEP? by genixia · · Score: 2, Interesting

      WEP is _far_ from perfect. And you are ignoring one of the main risks - that of rogue (ie non-authorised) APs set up by employees that are often unsecured.

      Security is a process, not a milepost that can be passed. Risks need to be constantly re-evaluated and addressed. You can bet that UKP500/m^2 is a small price for a Gov't agency to pay to protect secrets that could cause lives to be lost should they leak. And that also goes for military contractors too.

  38. energy conservation by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Where does the energy from the "blocked" WiFi RF radiation go? Can the shield "ground" out to a storage cell? Sure, its a tiny amount of power. But if the WiFi transmitter can be engineered to consume just a little more power than it transmits, the recovered "signal" power could feed a battery supplying the transmitter, and multiply the lifespan of a single charge by many times. That could be the key to deploying WiFi off *any* grid of wires, either network *or* power.

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    1. Re:energy conservation by javatips · · Score: 1

      Maybe "blocked" in that case means "reflected" instead of "absorbed".

    2. Re:energy conservation by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      If it's reflected inwards, that means it's absorbed by the objects inside the room, and converted to heat - lost. The "stealth" military lab which invented it alludes to "diffraction" in the article. Maybe their masks could be made into PV receptors tuned to the WiFi frequency, using the same technique as their "shield", but with interconnects or capacitors, or some combination.

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  39. Paint over it. by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

    I don't see any reason you couldn't paint over the wallpaper. Seems like the more appropriate way to do it, to me.

  40. Re:What, you want me to put wallpaper on my window by croddy · · Score: 0

    Who cares if they can attach to a neighboring access point? It's not your bandwidth. Don't be such an asshole.

  41. Hey I got a crazy idea by Ridgelift · · Score: 1

    If a company's *really* that concerned about people gaining access to their network through tapping, then they should be moving away from wireless altogether and towards fiber optics. Fiber is completely impervious to electromagnetic tapping, because it's optical, not electrical.

    WiFi will never be secure. So decide if you want security or convenience.

    1. Re:Hey I got a crazy idea by dsbaha · · Score: 0

      Well, not until you've seen some of the demonstrations showing that you can actually tap Fiber.

      Impressive, might I add.

    2. Re:Hey I got a crazy idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The last time i checked, light was still electromagnetic radiation.

    3. Re:Hey I got a crazy idea by EtherMonkey · · Score: 1
      Re-read parent:
      Fiber is completely impervious to electromagnetic tapping

      AFAIK, in order to tap F-O, you need to remove the outer & inner jackets exposing the F-O core, attach an ultra-sensitive optical sensor, and then bend the cable to coerce enough light scatter to be detected, yet not break the optical conductor or significantly impeded the signal.

      Even through light is part of the electromagnetic spectrum, I believe this would more accurately be described as "optomechanical" tapping, and not "electromagnetic;" the latter being more commonly associated with RF emissions.
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  42. Other Idea - Use Light to Scramble Perimeter by FathomIT · · Score: 1

    Instead of remodeling a room - just place some of these lights, which use the same spectrum, around the perimeter.

    "low-power light blubs which causes interferences with Wifi signals"

    http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/06/13/033424 6&tid=126

  43. fair play by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

    This will make a nice companion to my anti-wallpaper wi-fi invention. *bzzaap!*

    Yes, the greatest battle since Freddy vs Jason! (please see the recent photoshop contest at Fark.com for others)

  44. Old technology by electrick · · Score: 1

    This kind of reminds me of this computer, which used what was called Tempest sheilding to stop people from picking up EMPs from the computer. They used it as wall paper too.

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    1. Re:Old technology by AgTiger · · Score: 1

      Your computer emits EMPs?

      No wonder the BXA classifies encryption as a munition!

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  45. Expensive! by Steve+Cowan · · Score: 1

    Don't plan on using this stuff any time soon to block people from sitting outside your house and downloading porn - unless you want to spend £500 UKP (about $1000 USD) per square metre to coat your front wall.

    1. Re:Expensive! by bmf033069 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Glad it is Friday, as I just can get the picture out of my head of people sitting outside your house, downloading porn, and "coating your front wall".

      That is some expensive "stuff"....

  46. Secure Network by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Two questions.
    Why put Wi-Fi on a secure network?

    Where is there really a secure network connected to the Internet?

    WhatMeWorry!

  47. Huh? by FrostedWheat · · Score: 1

    was originally designed to hide military radars

    How can you hide a radar? It needs to transmit enough power in it's area of interest to cause a strong enough reflection to detect. Putting an RF shield around it would be pointless surly?

    1. Re:Huh? by pclminion · · Score: 1
      How can you hide a radar? It needs to transmit enough power in it's area of interest to cause a strong enough reflection to detect.

      If the enemy is firing radar-seeking missiles at you, the first thing you do is turn the radar off. At that point it doesn't matter much, does it?

      You'd only put the shield up if you were under attack.

  48. what tha... by grassy_knoll · · Score: 1

    my first thought was why they were so worried about letting cell phones through... after all, if you're worried about security, don't let any radio waves through. Like these guys.

    Then it hit me. Suits use cell phones, not wi-fi. Wi-fi = evil hacker tool. Cell phone = required hardware, since if I cant talk constantly I might have to think.

  49. Secret tech? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought the maths for this were well known?
    It's like the way computer case air holes are designed to be big enough to let the air through, but still stop rf as the wavelength is longer than the hole diameter.

    Either that, or it's a tank circuit.. capacitive coupling between the two copper grids could be tuned to a specific frequency.. I wonder if there is any other LC circuitry..

    Why would using diodes and passing a current across them cause all freqs to be blocked? ...Also, would it not be easier to block all frequencies with a conventional faraday cage and use a mobile repeater to allow outgoing calls?

    Random thoughts.

  50. Cost effective??? by Atryn · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Ok, let me quote a couple spots to see if I understand this correctly...
    The technology is designed to stop outsiders gaining access to a secure network by using Wi-Fi networks casually set up by workers at the office.
    Ok, so we are talking about stopping "casually set up" convenience networks, not hackers.
    But it is also the work of moments then for an outsider to breach that company's computer security using the Wi-Fi connection.
    Ok, so it only takes moments to detect if an employee has done this.
    Until now, the only way to ensure people are not illicitly gaining access to company secrets has been to turn offices into a signal-proof "Faraday cage", by lining the walls with aluminium foil, and using glass that absorbs radio waves in the windows.
    Clearly this solution is expensive and unsightly.
    The wall covering can be mass produced at relatively low cost. A square metre will cost about £500: peanuts to big business.
    $921 / square meter?!?!?! That's what, roughly $175,000 worth of wallpaper for a 200 square meter open cubicle-filled office space.

    Wouldn't it be easier and less expensive to:
    1. Train workers not to set up Wi-Fi
    2. Have IT periodically scan for active networks
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    1. Re:Cost effective??? by mikeee · · Score: 1

      If you really want to block the WiFi, mightn't it be cheaper just to use a plain-vanilla faraday cage and pay for an extra cellphone base station inside?

    2. Re:Cost effective??? by mr_z_beeblebrox · · Score: 1

      Well, looks like the anti-wallpaper company won't be putting YOU in marketing.

    3. Re:Cost effective??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed and there are a hell of a lot more things the admin could do such as not allowing just anything to be plugged in and get a connection in the first place...it always amazes me the trouble and things we come up with when other tools readily available already do the job just fine.

    4. Re:Cost effective??? by blade8086 · · Score: 1

      yup, that'll work just as fast as you can you say
      "mac spoof nat ifconfig ate my homework"

  51. Helps wardrivers find the good stuff... by dpbsmith · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...they'll beam a wifi and a cellphone signal at a building and measure the reflections. If the building is much more reflective at wifi frequencies than cellphone frequencies, they've found something really worth finding. How they get it once they've found it is another matter, of course.

    1. Re:Helps wardrivers find the good stuff... by uid8472 · · Score: 1

      Maybe someone will write a program that lets them dial up all the company's phone extensions looking for illicit modems.

    2. Re:Helps wardrivers find the good stuff... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This would not work, the wallpaper is made to absorb the wi-fi signals, not bounce them. So when they were driving by both would bounce back normally (due to the exterier of the building) and the stuff that goes through would be hard to detect anyway.

      Now if they drove by both sides of the building and sent a signal on one side and checked it on the other they might be able to find it, but I would imagine they would need to have a VERY strong signal to count on it going through ordinary office buildings to where they can detect it on the other side without this paper present...

    3. Re:Helps wardrivers find the good stuff... by pclminion · · Score: 1
      Maybe someone will write a program that lets them dial up all the company's phone extensions looking for illicit modems.

      You mean Toneloc? Good times, good times... :-)

      One time, we found a phone number that apparently patched through to the PA system in a warehouse somewhere. No menu or anything, you simply called this number and your voice was broadcast throughout some warehouse somewhere. You could also hear what was going on in the warehouse.

  52. Re:What, you want me to put wallpaper on my window by ackthpt · · Score: 1
    But still - it would have to be in a windowless, carpetless, fully wallpapered room... might as well be a strong room instead.

    Seems Hershey, of chocolate fame, pioneered the windowless office. Not that many people have anything good to say about getting a corner office without a window...

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  53. Secure? by jstave · · Score: 1
    From the article: The technology is designed to stop outsiders gaining access to a secure network by using Wi-Fi networks casually set up by workers at the office.

    I'm having a hard time reconciling the phrase "secure network" with "casually set up by workers". If its actually a "secure" network, wouldn't that mean that nobody is doing anything with wireless, much less casually?

  54. the numbers that shape your world by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 1
    Today's tally:

    Replace tinfoil hat with new wallpaper. : 34,109

    D'oh! I thought they meant Windows desktop! D'oh! I'm a friggin' idiot! D'oh! : 14,951

    "Firewallpaper" : 12,520

    Capture the RF energy into a capacitatory dongle and have perpetual motion! Ha ha HAAAA! Global domination! : 1954

    This is a repost! Death to the reposters! Die! Die! Die! Arrrgghhhh! (gurgle) : 675

    In Soviet Russia, wall papers you! : -1

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  55. Another reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    News.com.com link c/o your local /. lurker

  56. Re:What, you want me to put wallpaper on my window by silas_moeckel · · Score: 3, Informative

    How to stop people from connecting an AP. First off dissalow any remote switches particualy dumb ones. Only allow one MAC address per port. Turn the port off if you see spanning tree. Run 802.1x auth and vlan selection with a 2 factor login (secure ID etc). Only allow one login per person. Not that hard to do with modern Cisco gear, expensive but not hard.

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  57. Re:What, you want me to put wallpaper on my window by div_2n · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not sure if you are aware, but WiFi is used for other applications than Internet access. Companies use it in inventory control applications in stores and warehouses and all kinds of places. I think they would be very interested to know they could prevent someone from setting with a laptop snooping what's going on with their inventory.

    Hospitals and doctors offices would be especially interested to help keep their information inside their walls and further comply with regulations.

    They would likely make more money selling to organizations like that anyway than selling to individuals.

  58. Polarising Filter by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Reading the decription of the technology it really sounds like a polarising filter for radio frequencies:
    On one side most of the copper is removed, leaving a grid of copper crosses. On the other side, matching crosses, turned through 45 degrees, are etched away - leaving a film of copper with a grid of cross-shaped holes. BAE says that by carefully changing the size of the crosses and their spacing, the sheet can pass precisely defined frequencies, while blocking all others.
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    1. Re:Polarising Filter by pclminion · · Score: 1
      Reading the decription of the technology it really sounds like a polarising filter for radio frequencies:

      The description talks about copper crosses. If it was a polarizing filter it would have copper wires along one axis only.

      However, although it's not a filter, its operation is clearly based somehow on the polarization of the wave -- it's the only explanation I can think of why they would have a network of slits at 45 degrees to the crosses. My best guess is that certain frequencies (e.g., mobile phone frequencies) interact with the copper crosses and become polarized strongly in one direction, and are allows to exit the slits on the backside. All other frequencies are not as strongly polarized and therefore are absorbed on the backside.

      That's just a wild guess.

  59. Pink Panther Insulation (Re:why limit...) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Pink Panther insulation is foil backed. It might do the trick and be out of sight.

  60. Old stuff by toolz · · Score: 1

    This appeared months ago!

    Slow news day?

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  61. was anyone else thinking this? by compactable · · Score: 1
    From the article:

    "The wall covering can be mass produced at relatively low cost. A square metre will cost about £500: peanuts to big business."

    ... great, now the same company that took away half my lighting when .COM crashed for financial reasons now has an excuse to make our cubes all smaller for security reasons (how many engineers can be fit into 1m^3 -- no, really, I doubt my employer can even afford this much real estate @ £500/m^2 ... ) ... (-;

  62. If the hackers are going to use proper grammar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and spelling, I'm certain that they would walk away from your wi-fi, shrouded in a cloud of confusion.

    How do you get a british name like O'Connor without the ability to speak and write proper english? Did your grandfather marry a slave?

  63. umm.. by ikea5 · · Score: 1
    So insted of wiring the whole house with cat5, we can finally save some time by useing wifi and putting up wall papers around the whole house.

    Brilliant!

  64. I have a better idea... by stubear · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...and they can save half the money they spent (not because the idea is expensive but because I'm greedy). Simply fire ANYONE on the spot who connects an unauthorized wireless hub to the corporate network. No questions asked, no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Show the employee, err...ex-employee, the door and make sure to have him escorted by no less that four security guards. Make him look foolish for his transgressions and make sure others see his shame. This idea works for opening e-mail attachments without verifying the source and giving out passwords to unauthorized people amongst other problems with security.

    1. Re:I have a better idea... by scoser · · Score: 1
      This idea works for opening e-mail attachments without verifying the source...

      You're telling me! Over half of the people in my company just got fired!

  65. wouldn't this really screw up in-office wifi? by dj42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you're using this to keep wireless data inside (and not pervent transmission altogether), doesn't it seem like this would defeat any chance at room to room wifi access? I mean, it's hard enough to get good signal strenth in buildings without having some futuristic alien-technology inspired government stealth ultra-anti-signal wallpaper in the place.

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    1. Re:wouldn't this really screw up in-office wifi? by bmf033069 · · Score: 1

      As long as you could line the perimeter, would it make more sense to line the walls w/ signal reflective rather than absorbative materials? Signals originating inside, stay inside and those from outside get deflected.

      Mod to oblivion if that doesn't mesh with physics.

  66. Smells like a conspiracy to me. by MarkGriz · · Score: 5, Funny

    That damn paint-and-wallpaper trade group is just trying to scare everyone so they can unload a warehouse full of surplus foil wallpaper that went out of style in the 70's

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  67. Martha: Prison Bitch by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 1

    Wallpaper? Data secrecy? Is there no Martha Stewart joke to be had here? C'mon, people!

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    1. Re:Martha: Prison Bitch by wayward · · Score: 1

      OK, I was about to ask whether the paper would come in Martha Stewart prints, so I'll respond to your post. :-)

  68. ALIENS! by blackrobe28 · · Score: 1

    Does this mean that those space nuts will not have to wear tinfoil hats to keep the aliens out of their minds?

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  69. Now you see me - now you don't by retostamm · · Score: 1

    This is really cool technology, and pretty simple, too.

    If you have the version with Diodes, it blocks 2.4, 5 and 6 frequencies by default.

    If you run a current trough the diodes, it'll work like a sheet of copper and block pretty much everything.

    But it will have to come down in price before I coat my house with it, it's more than $100 per square foot.

  70. you only saved me 2 clicks :-) by rokzy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    it's not so bad with Firefox - doubleclick to select link text, middle click to go to Google's best guess (which is the actual site)

  71. Chaff by bigattichouse · · Score: 1

    tiny strips of wire/foil at various lengths glued to the back of the wallpaper at various angles would have a similar effect to chaff.

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  72. Hiding Radars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    People have been trying to hide their radars for decades, but I've got it figured out.

    Here's a hint: If you see a huge white geodesic dome on top of a 200-foot tower, somebody is probably "hiding" a radar in it.

    How dumb do they think we are? Are we all supposed to think that's just a big postmodern playhouse up there?

    1. Re:Hiding Radars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahh.. you do know those big white domes are called "radomes", don't you? They are to protect the dish from the weather (rain, hail, etc). It's NOT to hide them.

      "Hiding" a radar means to use Low Probability of Intercpt (LPI) techniques. Things like frequency hopping, direct sequence spread spectrum with random changing PRN generators, variable PRF, etc.

  73. Anti Wi-Fi neighbor!! by ron_ivi · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I can beat that... I had a anti-wi-fi neighbor.

    Set up my wireless access point as a deliberatelly unprotected box and watched packets fly by my router... Seems one of my neighbors was quite into high-bandwidth images and videos - guess he had a script or something to make downloading faster. Pretty effective denial of service attack on the WiFi access point.

    1. Re:Anti Wi-Fi neighbor!! by OnTheMoney · · Score: 1

      Remember those modems they use to sell (probably still do for faster connections) that would aggregate bandwidth over multiple phone lines so that you could get a couple of 33.6 or 56K dial-up connections and plug them both into this little router to get twice the bandwidth?

      Now all I need is a good wireless card aggregator (I think a lot of the newer server computers come with aggregator software already, so It's got to be out there. Anyone got a good link to some?) and head out to the wealthier part of town. Perhaps a rich apartment complex would be best?

      Then just park your car and have all the bandwidth you want!

      So to summarize in /. fashion:

      1. Get lots of wireless nics.
      2. Setup bandwidth aggregator.
      3. Park near rich apartments or townhouses.
      4. ????
      5. Profit!

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    2. Re:Anti Wi-Fi neighbor!! by Zorak+Man · · Score: 1

      It would only work to a ceartin degree. You can really only have two networks in the same area without interference (ch 6 and ch 11). After that they overlap, you will get bandwith and interference issues. Also given the fact that you wont be getting a perfect 11mbit or 54mib you are only going to be able to use three maybe four connections at once. And the linux kernel has support for equal cost bandwith balancing between devices (when are they going to add non equal cost...)

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    3. Re:Anti Wi-Fi neighbor!! by Cat_Byte · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I believe it was called fatpipe and last I checked it was still around. Let me know if it works ;) I've got my signal and a neighbors...hehe.

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    4. Re:Anti Wi-Fi neighbor!! by pilybaby · · Score: 1

      Then just park your car and have all the bandwidth you want!

      I think you'd be arrested for masturbating in a public place and driving naked.

    5. Re:Anti Wi-Fi neighbor!! by homer_ca · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's what that so called Speedbooster 108Mb/s gear does. It uses two non-overlapping WiFi channels simultaneously to double the speed. It also effectively monopolizes all the 2.4GHz channels in the area. As long as your neighbors aren't complaining...

    6. Re:Anti Wi-Fi neighbor!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      in XP Pro right-click on the adapter and select Bridge

    7. Re:Anti Wi-Fi neighbor!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Idiot. Bridging is not the same thing as bandwidth aggregation.

  74. Tinfoil house? by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

    I have aluminum siding, you insensitive clod!

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  75. Re:What, you want me to put wallpaper on my window by retostamm · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's not really wallpaper, it's a thin sheet of Kapton (1/10th of a millimeter). You can see trough that, so you can paste it on windows, and you can also put it under the carpet and in the crawl space above you.

    But I think you are right, people who want security won't use Computers :)

  76. Works Unless you have one of these :D by garagecartel · · Score: 0

    Try a WiFi attack droid, like the one @ defcon. Check it out here: http://www.engadget.com/entry/7166397862995041/

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  77. Does it block RFID, too? by Kosi · · Score: 1

    That would be great, and I'd want to have a shopping bag made of it. No tracing of my movements through the store!

    Or think of those poor school kids in Japan, they could protect themselves with this from "big blothel", too.

  78. Don't treat the symptoms by nuggz · · Score: 1

    Why not just secure the network rather then hacking security as an afterthought?

    This is a nice option, it is a good idea to make sure your installation is that little bit 'extra clean'.
    Don't forget there will still be holes. Roof, floor, ventilation. Then any repaired walls or windows will need this treatment. I know many places would love the opportunity to save a few dollars on the next broken window.

  79. Protects windows?! by dr.ka0s · · Score: 1

    BAE is now working on a transparent, ultra-thin version for windows.

    HA. The only wallpaper I know of that protects Windows is 1024x768 and says "Gentoo" all over it...

  80. New Wallpaper 2.0 by Devi0s · · Score: 2, Funny

    Brought to you by the makers of the tin-foil hat and the ionic bracelet...

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  81. You didn't save me any clicks! by seasleepy · · Score: 1

    Or you could install this extension (latest version here) and just click the link. ;)

  82. Housewrap by mjh2901 · · Score: 1

    We use a plastic vapor barier in home construction called HouseWrap. While wapp paper seems like a PITA since you need to do floors and ceilings if they made housewrap that could do vapor barier and be the wi-fi shield I'd toss it on my place. The ability to hit a wall switch and block cell phones would also be an advantage for say a dinner party where there is one moron who wants to talk on the phone all the time.

  83. Re:What, you want me to put wallpaper on my window by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

    Get real... the people who want security in the first place WON'T USE WIFI.

    No - people who want real security will use secure protocols over WiFi. I want security, and as such I run IPSEC over my WEP encrypted 802.11g network.

    Of course a bit of driving around Southampton (UK) shows that there are a hell of a lot of insecure networks and a worrying number where the access points are left in their factory default configuration.

    People who don't understand security should not be allowed to set up any publically accessible networks (publically accessible == internet facing or wireless). Like it or not, security does (and probably always will) involve a clue and no amount of whinging by the unwashed masses is going to change that. And why should it - you don't expect someone with absolutely no idea about cars to be able to rebuild their car engine do you?

  84. Overkill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I could see this technology used as a precautionary measure in ultra-secure facilities, but using this to secure Wi-Fi is a horrible example. The cost to cover a 2500 square foot office with this material would be about $500,000 US.

    I myself would buy a good VPN concentrator for a few thousand dollars, put any wireless access points on their own network and have a simple network ACL that only allows connections to your VPN concentrator. Simple, secure, encrypted, easy to manage, and no one gets in without credentials. Oh, and save yourself about $497,000.

  85. selective interference by dillee1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The tech behind that wall paper sounds like the same as selective interference used on camera lens anti-reflection coating.
    In this case the spacing of the 2 reflective layer is tuned to allow maxium transmission of GSM and 3G signal; the reflection wave from first copper layer is 180^ out of phase with the reflection wave from the second copper layer.
    IMO this wallpaper will block EVERYTHING and just allows the mobile channels to go through.

  86. Re:What, you want me to put wallpaper on my window by Umrick · · Score: 1

    A real world example of a reasonable use: We have no less than 5 visible access points at certain locations, each from different companies, each on varying frequencies, usually somewhere smack in the middle interferring with 1/6/11.

    Being able to wallpaper the outter walls, means the difference between a poor signal with pingponging speeds and an excellent signal. Talking with the other companies doesn't help, heck the hospital next door (with 2 wireless links to a remote location on channels 2 and 3 no less), refused to understand when we spelled out to them why they were getting lossy signals and were walking on us.

    Give me reasonable pricing on this wallpaper in an acceptable blah color, and I'd buy rolls tomorrow.

  87. Yup... and it's called by thepeete · · Score: 0

    Aluminium foil...

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  88. oi vey by WormholeFiend · · Score: 1

    next thing you know, people will demand a voice command interface because they can't be bothered to move a mouse around and press its buttons...

  89. No more free Internet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just great -_-

  90. Old? by tmillard · · Score: 0

    I could not help but thinking about an old story on that had somthing very much the same.

  91. Based on stealth technology by blueroo · · Score: 1

    also known in some circles as "chicken wire".

  92. Who needs wallpaper when you can just fight back? by vizualizr · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe I'm the only one who ran across http://www.evilscheme.org/defcon/ this little gem , but this seems like a very good low-budget option for striking back at your friendly neighborhood wi-fi swipers.

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  93. Windows SP2 Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All this waiting just for a wallpaper?

  94. I leave my WiFi wide open by JBMcB · · Score: 1

    I leave WEP and everything off, and keep it in a DMZ on my local network. My router then records all packets not coming from one of the MAC addresses of my machines. Free WiFi, but I get to peek :)

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  95. Re:What, you want me to put wallpaper on my window by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or better yet, secure your WI-FI.

    Get one of the D-Link Super G with the Atheros Chipset. Those use a different encryption protocol which is properly secure. An added bonus gives you up to 108 mbps in super G mode (overhead and such will make the real throughput less). I've gotten roughly 80-85mbps sustained with mine at home, after all the overhead.

    Turn off SSID broadcast and manually set up your laptop/wireless device with the hard to guess SSID you chose. It's not that hard people, yet I drive around with my Dlink card or even go into stores with my Itronix service laptop and I can hear netstumbler bonging away with unsecure or poorly secured access points.

  96. Windows? by n9mdh · · Score: 1

    No, not Billy G's love child. I mean the glass things that form most of the outside wall of the buildings I'm looking at. Wallpaper isn't terribly functional when there isn't a wall to put it on.

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    1. Re:Windows? by wraith0x29a · · Score: 1

      True but you can get RF opaque glass that blocks WIFI signals. And you will have to wallpaper your doors too.

      I do think that the paranoid tinfoil-hat afficionados will look much more attractive with a layer of flock wallpaper over their shiny headgear though.

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  97. Re:What, you want me to put wallpaper on my window by nusratt · · Score: 1

    "Hershey, of chocolate fame, pioneered the windowless office. Not that many people have anything good to say about getting a corner office without a window.."

    That depends.
    How much chocolate would I get?

  98. Not quite a microwave door, but by thinkfat · · Score: 1

    much more sophisticated. A microwave door is easy to make, just make the metal grid small enough. But that wallpaper is a band-stop filter, i.e. it resonates at a well defined frequency and consumes the energy radiated from the transmitter, while passing other frequencies nearly undisturbed. Though, I wonder why they make such a big secret out of it. Printed microwave circuits have been around since ages, in fact I learned some of the basics as an EE student. Every RFID tag does the same. So what's the news here?

  99. Anti-Wifi Wallpaper on Queer Eye by wayward · · Score: 1

    I'd like to see this anti-Wifi wallpaper featured on "Queer Eye."

  100. Good to see my company getting some good press! by BigBadBus · · Score: 1
    I work for BAE SYSTEMS (yes, we *have* to spell it in block capitals!), and, with all the recent cock-ups, fighting over contracts etc, its good to see good press once in a while.

    Just don't mention Project Greenglow (anti-gravity drives etc.).

  101. Question. . . by Rogue+Leader · · Score: 1

    But on this new wallpaper, do the Snozzberries taste like Snozzberries?

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  102. Repost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Repost:

    http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/06/20/0 41 9218&tid=193&tid=126

  103. All that old paint... by ZoolTheNinja · · Score: 1

    Man, I was wondering what I was going to do with the 5000 gallons of lead-based paint I have.... Introducing... WiFi Blocking PAINT!!!!

  104. Ehhhhhrrrrm....... by cardshark2001 · · Score: 0
    Seems like this would also have adverse effects for those *inside* the building, but not in the same room as the wireless node. Plus, it is possible to secure wireless, it's just beyond the means/ability of the average consumer, but corporations are not average consumers. Furthermore, rather than paying 200 grand for wallpaper that may not look like what you want, why not pay a contractor a lot less than that for a week's work securing your network the old fashioned way? PLUS - what about windows in the building?

    All in all it seems like a dumb idea. The only way I can see it being used is in *addition* to strong conventional wi-fi security measures. Unless I'm missing something?

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  105. Re: Anti-Wi-Fi Wallpaper by Richard+George · · Score: 2, Informative
    The real objective of this wallpaper (and competing paint and window film products) is to offer a low-cost method to provide TEMPEST protection to offices as an alternative to building a full skiff.

    This anti-WiFi wall paper is grossly overpriced. The same effect can be achieved using EMSEC's paint at a cost of about $3 per square foot (about $500 per gallon) or using ASTIC Signals Defense's SD1000, SD2000, or SD3000 series window films (about $15 to $30 per square feet installed; substantially more for the bullet proof glass version installed at US Embassies).

    See http://www.worldtechex.com/WorldTech/Browsing/frmC ategory.aspx?type=TECHNOLOGY&id=59&report-id=5 for more information about the ASTIC film.

    Both products block most RF frequencies, including the WiFi frequencies. The window film also blocks infrared threats(e.g. laser microphones) and UV threats (see the cambridge whitepaper on CRT threats).

    The paint essentially includes certain powdered metals, including copper, that block RF frequencies. The window film takes a blast-resistant film and uses a patented plasma sputtering process to place a thin layer of gold, silver, and other metals on the window film.

    The film is currently installed on a variety of buildings dealing with defense, homeland security, and intelligence in the Washington DC area. The EMSEC paint is State-Department controlled and requires a license for export. The ASTIC film can be exported to any country except those on the terror / bad company list.

  106. What about windows? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Better have those covered up with that special wallpaper as well.

    1. Re:What about windows? by wraith0x29a · · Score: 1

      Windows creates a security hole?

      No surprise there then.

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  107. Shit duh by Nichotin · · Score: 1

    wallpaper that can prevent hackers accessing secure networks via Wi-Fi
    If its secure, why the wallpaper?

  108. Step Four by uberdave · · Score: 1

    Step four would be "Packet sniff for incriminating/embarrasing activity"

  109. Re:What, you want me to put wallpaper on my window by Raptor+CK · · Score: 1

    Ah, the old "Let the employees do whatever the hell they want with company gear" argument. I'm sure that's quite secure.

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  110. Re:What, you want me to put wallpaper on my window by Raptor+CK · · Score: 1

    What if you're next door to me, and I run a company where I can't rely on merely trusting my employees? What if you're not the one next to me, but some jackass running an open AP?

    What if one of my employees is a jackass with a wifi card, a laptop, and a load of company data? Next thing you know, he's on the neighbor's wifi, and getting hacked wide open.

    It's not about protecting my LAN, it's about protecting my data without filling the case with cement and burying the system at the bottom of the sea.

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  111. encryption anyone? by jonathan_95060 · · Score: 1

    I don't need no stinkin wall paper! I need a real wi-fi encryption standard!

    come on folks, 256 bit AES + diffie-helman key exchange or RSA public keys. The technology has been around so that all the relevant patents have expired.

    What is your favorite reason for explaining why this hasn't been implemented yet?

    (1) laziness
    (2) Government conspiracy?

  112. Re:What, you want me to put wallpaper on my window by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

    Your only allowing corprate laptops on the net right? And all corp laptops dont have wifi or bluetooth right? It's not that hard to have IT remove them. No cards means nomatter what your neighbors AP is setup as your fine.

    I'm only talking about normal corp security if you have anything that needs to be secure (military bits, state secrets and the like) you need to put the computers in a cage to stop all the RF period.

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  113. Great stuff -- Enforce no mobile phones! by billsf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There must be (a possibly bigger) market in blocking mobile phones? Make the tuned circuits resonate at lower frequencies (larger) and block mobile phones. Its so obvious as a legal way to enforce 'quiet zones' in so many places. Modern mobile phones are at 800, 900, 1800 and 1900MHz. Larger elements and the added bonus mobile phones are close to harmonic intervals makes for a simplified design.

    There is quite a bit of information (in books, not http) how to do this. Is about as 'hi-tech' as anti-theft tags on CDs. At five or ten bucks a m^2 there would definitely be a market for a variety of purposes, and frequencies, including wlan. This beats the hell out of active jamming. Except for perhaps the US, this is definitely NOT patentable.

  114. better bet by KB1GHC · · Score: 1

    i wouldn't trust it, i have one simple solution to this problem: just use a wire!

    who is gonna buy that wallpaper except maybe government offices, plus if your gonna use that wallpaper to coat one room, you might as well just use a wire

  115. At first I thought they meant desktop wallpaper by archnerd · · Score: 1

    Ever seen those programs that make your CRT broadcast AM radio? That's what first came to mind when I saw this headline.

  116. I knew it! by evilviper · · Score: 1
    New Scientist is reporting on a wallpaper that can prevent hackers accessing secure networks via Wi-Fi

    I always knew that my desktop picture of a Mayan spritual artifact was keeping big bad hackers away.
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  117. Disapointed by Captain+DaFt · · Score: 1

    Poo, when I first saw the title, I thought they were talking about something along the lines of this! (If you can transmit a MP3 with a screen image, surely you can jam a Wi-Fi!) };-)

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