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The Long Tail

Chris Anderson writes "I'm the editor of Wired Magazine and if you'll forgive the autohornblowing, I think you'll be interested in my piece in our latest issue. It argues, with a lot of new data, that the entertainment industry is shifting from an era of hit-driven economics to one of niche-driven economics. Content that was once relegated to the fringe, beneath the threshold of commercial viability, is now increasingly able to find a market in distributed audiences, marking a shift towards the previously-neglected Long Tail of the demand curve."

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  1. More Democratic Market by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Often I'm irritated anyone, including friends, try to interest me in something 'like' what I'm reading, like Amazon Recommendations do. Politely I'll say, thanks, I'll look into it or such and carry on my way. Sometimes I'll actually buy a book on recommendation and toss it on a shelf somewhere for a rainy day or the next in line of the very long line of books I've read. This is effectively Word-Of-Mouth advertising and the most effective of all forms of advertising -- small wonder Amazon uses it, it works and I've grudgingly picked up a few other books due to this and often it is true, I will enjoy the book, after all hundreds or thousands aren't necessarily wrong.

    A notable exception was Red Dwarf, which many people recommended as the next Hitchhikers, as good as Hitchhikers, etc. I found the two books to be like they said, but perhaps not as they intended, I found Red Dwarf to be very derivative and fairly juvenile, as if someone really loved a book so much that they wrote in a similar setting (sci-fi in this case.) I didn't pursue it past the two books I was given, it was a bit of a downer, too as the authors had a small group of characters to play with after killing off the entire human race and finding bugger all in space.

    I've had satellite radio for two years now and can tell honestly say I don't listen to current pop anymore, as I've found swing and standards to be awesome music, it's a bit puzzling how music evolved from that to Britney Spears, et al, but as The Long Tail indicates, we're leaving a top-down dictation of our musical tastes and finding our own way, whether in the past or in the present but other genres than commercial radio wants us to hear (and buy.)

    Years ago I moved to Santa Cruz, which has the Nickelodeon and Del Mar theaters. I've found about 3/4 of the films I watch are there rather than the big hollywood multiplex (Santa Cruz 9) down the street. I'm more surprised and intrigued by what I see on those screens (which included Touching The Void) than the shiney, candy-like offerings from down south. I can't say I'd have had the same choice in the city I moved from, where no such independent cinemas existed, shy of driving 125 miles to the Maple Theater in Troy, MI.

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    1. Re:More Democratic Market by savagedome · · Score: 1

      t's a bit puzzling how music evolved from that to Britney Spears

      You are confusing Britney Spears (BS?!) with a musician. She is an entertainer. Nothing more, nothing less.

    2. Re:More Democratic Market by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Insightful
      You are confusing Britney Spears (BS?!) with a musician. She is an entertainer. Nothing more, nothing less.

      You could say the same of Frank Sinatra or Bobby Derren. Why does their music have impact and BS doesn't?

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    3. Re:More Democratic Market by Enry · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I didn't pursue it past the two books I was given, it was a bit of a downer, too as the authors had a small group of characters to play with after killing off the entire human race and finding bugger all in space.

      Uhm. You know there were 8 TV series (seasons) of Red Dwarf done by the BBC, along with a movie that's in production, right? The two books only cover a part of the first season. The first 4 series are on DVD now, so go hit your local library or DVD rental store and check it out.

    4. Re:More Democratic Market by El · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Perhaps because Frank Sinatra and Bobby Derren didn't remove their clothing in the middle of a performance? BS isn't a singer; she is just an exceptionally highly compensated stripper.

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    5. Re:More Democratic Market by ackthpt · · Score: 1
      Uhm. You know there were 8 TV series (seasons) of Red Dwarf done by the BBC, along with a movie that's in production, right? The two books only cover a part of the first season. The first 4 series are on DVD now, so go hit your local library or DVD rental store and check it out.

      I remember watching a PBS fundraiser, years ago, where they were introducing the actors who would be playing the new series the station would carry (if the station could just get enough donations) but it didn't strike me as interesting enough to watch more than a part of an episode. But like I said, the first two books didn't inspire me to read any further so I didn't.

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    6. Re:More Democratic Market by sgant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They again, were entertainers...no one really goes and studies the "music" of Sinatra like one would go and study up on Miles Davis or Bob Dylan or Jimmy Page....as in the art of music itself.

      But there's certainly nothing wrong with Britney Spears if you're into her. It's what someone likes...and the "music" is really secondary to BS or others of her ilk. It's the entertainment that's the draw.

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    7. Re:More Democratic Market by gphinch · · Score: 1

      Well for one, they could actually sing. BS' voice is made in the studio.

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    8. Re:More Democratic Market by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Insightful
      They again, were entertainers...no one really goes and studies the "music" of Sinatra like one would go and study up on Miles Davis or Bob Dylan or Jimmy Page....as in the art of music itself.

      But there's certainly nothing wrong with Britney Spears if you're into her. It's what someone likes...and the "music" is really secondary to BS or others of her ilk. It's the entertainment that's the draw.

      Right, but on radio, there's little of Britney to see (clothed or otherwise) whereas I'd say Sinatra, Derren, Holiday, Jordan(*), et al have, for lack of a better word, presence that transcends decades and a purely audio medium. Britney sounds too much like her contemporaries, so it's her prancing around on stage and the audience fascination with whatever she says in magazines or does in her personal life (as observed by tabloids) that carries her.

      * I'd never heard of Louis Jordan until I had satellite, now I've got many of his albums, an amazing, talented writer, composer and singer I would have probably gone my life without ever hearing of.

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    9. Re:More Democratic Market by Colazar · · Score: 1
      Which is fine, but just to re-iterate the earlier poster's point, it was a TV show *first*, and the books you read were derivative of that, and likely of standard movie-novelization caliber. (Which is to say, not very good, no matter who wrote them.)

      IMO, the first two seasons of Red Dwarf were excellent. After that, they got a following, a budget, had to make some cast changes, abandoned any shred of continuity, and became boring. (But stayed popular enough to have 6 more seasons. So what do I know.) But the first two are well worth watching.

      Feel free to not watch them, though. That's entirely your right.

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    10. Re:More Democratic Market by Fnkmaster · · Score: 4, Insightful
      While that is true, Sinatra may not have been a great musician to be studied by posterity, but at least he was a singer. He entertained with his voice, by singing good tunes in an aesthetically pleasing manner. The reason Britney Spears and the like get derided is that the talent of singing has taken a backseat to glittery semi-nude outfits and titellation of adult men with teenage booty. Don't get me wrong, I am all for some teenage booty now and then (I think I'm getting too old to say that, so don't arrest me please), but I don't want to turn on my radio and hear these chick singer voices that have to be processed to hell and back again to make them sound aesthetically pleasing.


      My metric for this is "would this person be entertaining if you gave them a microphone and a couple of acoustic instruments to back them and sat them down on a stage?" And in the case of nonvocal music, it's a question of whether the music itself is sufficiently enjoyable to stand on its own merit. If neither of these metrics are met, then it may be entertainment but it's not really music. And some pop songs are decently catchy and enjoyable, in *spite of* the singer behind them - you can have a great songwriter or producer behind an otherwise mediocre talent and still come up with something that sounds pretty good. And I can appreciate those songs for what they are, but still dismiss the singer as worthless.

    11. Re:More Democratic Market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Somehow, "word up" just doesn't cut it.

    12. Re:More Democratic Market by RWerp · · Score: 1

      But there's certainly nothing wrong with Britney Spears if you're into her.

      No, it's something wrong with you, then.

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    13. Re:More Democratic Market by switcha · · Score: 1
      They again, were entertainers...no one really goes and studies the "music" of Sinatra like one would go and study up on Miles Davis..

      I think you're drawing a distinction that isn't there. It's not musicality vs. entertainment. It's all entertaining. It's not hard to find it as entertaining to watch someone do something skillful (Jimmy Page) as it is to watch someone who's ideas are the entertainment (Dylan was a lousy singer and a pretty bad musician).

      Music as an art form can be appreciated from different aspects (musicianship, ideas, showmanship, etc) but I think you're creating a false high-falutin' category if you claim that entertainment is the red-headed step child to musicianship. It's all entertainment. Bach might not make your booty shake like KRS-One, but as far as entertainment value, it's there for the taking in both.

      The only real separator I can see is taste. I'm not saying you have to like everything. I certainly don't. But I think the entertainment is there and it's inherent to all music.

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    14. Re:More Democratic Market by St.+Arbirix · · Score: 1

      One of my favorite Trivial Persuit questions went about like this:

      How many of the singers on Frank Sinatra's duets collection recorded in the studio with him?
      Answer: None.

      Sinatra's music was fairly manufactured. I think you'll often confuse him with the musicians who wrote his music.

      Who is Bobby Derren?

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    15. Re:More Democratic Market by Daedala · · Score: 1

      You've never heard Richard Thompson's cover of "Oops I Did it Again, have you? It's great.

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    16. Re:More Democratic Market by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Word-of-Mouth and actual sampling were the only way I ever discovered music, especially since my tastes evolved beyond the confines of commercial radio as much as commercial radio devolved beneath the tastes of anyone who takes it seriously.

      The Internet has made this much easier for me (as has the recent renaissance of progressive music and instrumental and compositional virtuosity.

      Whereas in the late 80's I thought my days of discovering new music was limited to haunting used record stores and reading obscure buyer's guides, I now find that there is more information out there than I know what to do with.

      This incredibly granular democratization is true for all forms of culture, whether it's music, movies, politics, TV, religion or any other bizarre interest you might find.

      And as far as Red Dwarf goes, it's apples and oranges. Comparing the Red Dwarf books to the HHGG books isn't fair, you should probably compare the TV show to the original HHGG radio show. I enjoyed the books, but they're definitely different. Besides, I think Terry Pratchett's Discworld books are better than both.

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    17. Re:More Democratic Market by SpootFinallyRegister · · Score: 1
      bobby derren maybe. but, you can still play sinatra on a jukebox. just about any jukebox.

      somehow i doubt youll hear britney in a bar in 40 years.

      plus, if you want an actual musical answer, sinatra had a talent for altering phrasing of the lyrics behind, slower, and faster than the accompaniment through songs. while it had been sorta done before, he was the first person with the feeling for it that actually made it sound good, and it was what separated him from the other crooners. thats why there were a million deam martins and only one sinatra.

      if you want to go down this road, you would would have a much harder time separating the beatles from a modern day boy band, but somehow i doubt you would get away with impeaching the beatles impact on music.

    18. Re:More Democratic Market by jejones · · Score: 1

      They again, were entertainers...no one really goes and studies the "music" of Sinatra like one would go and study up on Miles Davis or Bob Dylan or Jimmy Page....as in the art of music itself.

      Have you ever said that in front of a singer? I expect you'd get the same look you'd get if you stood up in front of a bunch of hackers and said nobody bothers to study Knuth's code.

    19. Re:More Democratic Market by sserendipity · · Score: 1

      Except they could sing.

    20. Re:More Democratic Market by GoofyBoy · · Score: 1

      >no one really goes and studies the "music" of Sinatra like one would go and study up on Miles Davis or Bob Dylan or Jimmy Page....as in the art of music itself.

      So if I "study" the music of someone they suddenly become legit musicians?

      Who elected university/college professors the gatekeepers of this?

      And when I listen to Sinatra, why would you not consider it "studying" his music? Or do I have to write an academic paper for him to become a "true musician"?

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    21. Re:More Democratic Market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Needs more cowbell. Definately sounds like it needs more cowbell.

    22. Re:More Democratic Market by maxpublic · · Score: 1

      Because the poster is a pseudo-intellectual prick who thinks that by slamming Spears he'll gain the respect of other pseudo-intellectual pricks. No doubt he thinks his 'rebellion' against pop culture is somehow new and fresh and the mark of a superior mind - just like every generation of 'rebellious' teens before him.

      Max

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    23. Re:More Democratic Market by maxpublic · · Score: 1

      Which is just another way of saying "if I like it, it's music; otherwise it isn't." Dress it up all you like, it's still the same old crack whore we've all seen before.

      Max

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    24. Re:More Democratic Market by Grizzlysmit · · Score: 1
      While that is true, Sinatra may not have been a great musician to be studied by posterity, but at least he was a singer. He entertained with his voice, by singing good tunes in an aesthetically pleasing manner.
      What can I say but yiiiick, Sinarta and his mates sang like honeyed shit, sickly sweet on the outside, and you know what inside.
      Ok my point is this it's all a matter of taste, personally I HATE the so called ratpak and infact the entire crooner style of singing, Yiiick, as for britney why should she be taken less seriously just because she does pop?? thats just elitism
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    25. Re:More Democratic Market by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 1
      no matter who wrote them
      "Grant Naylor", a pseudonym for the two co-producers of the series.
      For the record, I found the first book (the only one that I've read) to be mildly amusing throughout, except for the part where Rimmer is preparing for his test, which was so funny that I laughed out loud (which is rare for me vis a vis reading).
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    26. Re:More Democratic Market by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1
      It's also about "would this person survive if there were no TV and only radio/theatre existed".

      If you go back to singers like Sinatra, Judy Garland etc, image was part of it, but the voice was so much more important. I don't know if someone like Bing Crosby could be a success nowadays.

    27. Re:More Democratic Market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Way off-topic, but if you like swing and don't get the plasti-pop I would strongly recommend you to check out psychedelic trance, it is the Swing of the electronic generation. Parasense/Atmos/Son Kite should get you started.

    28. Re:More Democratic Market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're saying only teens think Spears is a terrible "musician"?

      I want what you're smoking!

  2. autohornblowing by imr · · Score: 5, Funny

    you'll forgive the autohornblowing
    On the contrary, i'm quite impressed by your agility, even jealous.

    1. Re:autohornblowing by HungSquirrel · · Score: 1

      Don't you mean flexibility?

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    2. Re:autohornblowing by the+darn · · Score: 1

      Cousin Walter, is that you?

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    3. Re:autohornblowing by imr · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm impressed by your vocabulary, even jealous.

    4. Re:autohornblowing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      as long as he doesn't publicly toot his own lower horn, I suppose it's acceptable. Woooooooooooo!!!

    5. Re:autohornblowing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if the Slashdot invoice for this publicity is 0$, then I'm even more impressed by the autohornblowing.

    6. Re:autohornblowing by Alzheimers · · Score: 1

      Don't be rediculous -- the coroner even confirmed he broke his neck trying that.

    7. Re:autohornblowing by Kehvarl · · Score: 1

      I'm impressed by your jealousy, even jealous.

    8. Re:autohornblowing by Nuclear+Elephant · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm impressed by your redundancy, even jealous.

  3. The long tail is already here by the_rev_matt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The long tail resonates with me in a way that makes me think this is the future of entertainment. And it should be. If you want to see the salvation of the music industry, it is not DRM or 'the next big thing'. It's Wilco. It's Radiohead. It's the Roots. It's thousands of artists you've never heard of and likely never will.

    Back in college I was a record collector. I would spend hours upon hours trolling every used record store in the Bay Area looking for obscure items on my 'must have' list. Whenever I visited a new city, I would always try to hit some used stores, regardless of the weather or the character of the neighborhoods they may be located in. I also spent nearly as much time in used book stores looking for anything that struck me as interesting at the time. Over the course of the years and several cross country moves I've shed most of the books and all of the vinyl. My cd collection has plummeted from several thousand down to a few hundred. And yet I now have access to more literature and music than ever.

    I've been using iTunes for over a year now, and I've bought more music in the past 6 months through iTunes than in the entire 3 years prior to the release of iTunes. I don't spend much time listening to whatever is on the top 40 charts. Most of the artists I like live in the long tail. They are often even names you might know, but they are not chart toppers. They won't go platinum, but they'll still make money. I worked at a used CD store in Colorado for a while, and the owner there understood the long tail even though he didn't understand it as such. When people were selling us CDs he would just look at the titles and be able to tell you what it was worth without even looking it up on the computer. Here's a tip for you: you can always get top dollar for a Frank Zappa CD.

    Already posted on my blog, but what the hell.

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    1. Re:The long tail is already here by Neil+Blender · · Score: 4, Funny

      I would spend hours upon hours trolling every used record store in the Bay Area

      How? Were you slipping goatse printouts in the liners?

    2. Re:The long tail is already here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      It's Wilco. It's Radiohead. It's the Roots. It's thousands of artists you've never heard of and likely never will.

      way to be indie.

      :giantest rolleyes emoticon evar:

    3. Re:The long tail is already here by sonofagunn · · Score: 1
      It's Radiohead. It's the Roots. It's thousands of artists you've never heard of and likely never will.

      Who's never heard of Radiohead?
    4. Re:The long tail is already here by jcr · · Score: 1

      I've been using iTunes for over a year now, and I've bought more music in the past 6 months through iTunes than in the entire 3 years prior to the release of iTunes.

      When the iTMS came out, I bought a whole lot of back-catalog stuff that I'd always wanted, and only ever saw on late-night TV ads like "Time-Life Records brings you three songs you want, and 96 others that you don't, for six easy payments" yadda yadda yadds.

      First tune I bought: "Stagger Lee", by Lloyd Price. Second one: "Whiter Shade of Pale", by Procul Harem. I'd never seen either of them in a record store.

      Here's a tip for you: you can always get top dollar for a Frank Zappa CD.

      Too bad he's not on the iTMS yet.. Oh, well.

      -jcr

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    5. Re:The long tail is already here by Bastian · · Score: 1

      Huh, your long tail is bands I've seen on TV like Wilco and Radiohead, and bands you can find on iTMS?

      Not meaning to be all indie or anything, but if I were to start listing long tail bands I'd start with Trans Am, Hem, and Negativland and start working my way out towards stuff like Ritchie Hawtin (Plastikman), Shellac, and Rondellus.

      I've not been particularly lucky finding any of that on iTMS, which is why I don't use it.

    6. Re:The long tail is already here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's Wilco. It's Radiohead. It's the Roots. It's thousands of artists you've never heard of and likely never will. Nay, it's metal! *throws horns*

    7. Re:The long tail is already here by Moofie · · Score: 1

      I've never heard of any of those, so they must not be any good.

      Oh wait...

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    8. Re:The long tail is already here by pthisis · · Score: 1
      First tune I bought: "Stagger Lee", by Lloyd Price. Second one: "Whiter Shade of Pale", by Procul Harem. I'd never seen either of them in a record store.

      According to a story appearing in the St. Louis, Missouri Globe-Democrat in 1895:

      William Lyons, 25, a levee hand, was shot in the abdomen yesterday evening at 10 o'clock in the saloon of Bill Curtis, at Eleventh and Morgan Streets, by Lee Sheldon, a carriage driver. Lyons and Sheldon were friends and were talking together. Both parties, it seems, had been drinking and were feeling in exuberant spirits. The discussion drifted to politics, and an argument was started, the conclusion of which was that Lyons snatched Sheldon's hat from his head. The latter indignantly demanded its return. Lyons refused, and Sheldon withdrew his revolver and shot Lyons in the abdomen. When his victim fell to the floor Sheldon took his hat from the hand of the wounded man and coolly walked away. He was subsequently arrested and locked up at the Chestnut Street Station. Lyons was taken to the Dispensary, where his wounds were pronounced serious. Lee Sheldon is also known as 'Stag' Lee.

      You should check out Mississipi John Hurt's "Stack'O'Lee" (also based on this incident).

      I would think that the majority of reasonably sized record stores carry the Big Chill soundtrack (which has the Procul Harem "Whiter Shade of Pale" on it), and most of them will carry multiple albums by artists covering Stagger Lee (and a lot of them carry those "Billboard Top Hits of 19xx", which have both of those songs by those artists in the appropriate year but certainly fall into the 3 songs you want and a gazillion you don't category).
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    9. Re:The long tail is already here by Uncle+Gropey · · Score: 1

      you can always get top dollar for a Frank Zappa CD.

      But alas, none of my Zappa CD's are or will be for sale. Could I interest you in a fine King Diamond collection?

    10. Re:The long tail is already here by recursiv · · Score: 1

      It's Wilco. It's Radiohead. It's the Roots. It's thousands of artists you've never heard of and likely never will.

      Get off your ego trip. "You've never heard of"? Give me a break. If I didn't have the rest of your post for context, I'd assume you were a troll. A very prominent local music store that I pass several times a week has had massive displays featuring both Radiohead and Wilco, and never once for Britney or N-Sync, or any of their ilk for that matter. You're not nearly as far ahead of the curve as you seem to believe you are.

      Furthermore, if you're trying to give examples of bands without raving fanboys, Radiohead is definitely not a good example. Radiohead is the poster "indie band". Some Radiohead fans seem nearly as bad as the screaming masses pictured on TRL. "OMG!! Thom York!!!!! He's so awesome!!!@#!".

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    11. Re:The long tail is already here by multimed · · Score: 1
      The only CDs I bought from TV, Time Life's The Rock n Roll Erra--1959 is my favorite and while there may be a few you don't want, if you like Stagger Lee, there's bound to be a bunch of others you'd like. My favorites:

      • Fats Dominos - I Want To Walk You Home
      • The Coasters - Poison Ivy
      • Kansas City - Wilbert Harrison
      • Clyde McPhatter - A Lover's Question
      • Santo And Johnny - Sleepwalk
      • Ray Charles - What'd I Say (Though his greatest hits is still a must have)
      • The Drifters - There Goes My Baby (Gotta have their greatest hits too)
      Not trying to pimp for Time Life, but here's the full list.
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    12. Re:The long tail is already here by kzinti · · Score: 1

      You should check out Mississipi John Hurt's "Stack'O'Lee" (also based on this incident).

      Or the Clash's "Wrong 'em Boyo" on London Calling, though their version has the dispute over cheating at cards, not politics.

    13. Re:The long tail is already here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Haha, spot on.

      I wonder when people will realise that Radiohead's image is nearly as carefully crafted as BS, just to a very different audience. Their saving grace is that they write their own music, even if it isn't brilliant.

    14. Re:The long tail is already here by Larmal · · Score: 1

      How is Radiohead the poster for "indie band"... I would imagine one has to be indie before they can become the poster for "indie band"... radiohead never has been, nor will they ever be, "indie". They were huge right out the gates with Pablo Honey. Unless we're using the unfortunate drastically overused definition of the word "indie" which encompasses anything "not top 40".

      Radiohead has never met either definition of "indie"; they've never been independent and low budget, nor have they ever not been a top 40. And in the scope of the article, they've never been in the tail end (except maybe prior to them releasing the single Creep in the US). You want tail end, you should be looking at bands the above poster mentioned - Shellac (nice call), Trans Am (even nicer call), and to throw in a couple of my own, Xiu Xiu, The Unicorns, and Deerhoof.

      I loath the term "indie" and try not to use it at all costs, as it's losing all meaning. "indie" is to 2004 as "alternative" was to 1994.

      And for the record, here's how I would classify Radiohead's albums (not like anybody cares):

      • Pablo Honey: Rock
      • The Bends: Rock
      • OK Computer: Pop/Rock - Experimental Rock
      • Kid A: Experimental Rock - Electronic Rock
      • Amnesiac: Experimental Rock - Electronic Rock
      • Hail To The Thief: Rock - Electronic Rock
    15. Re:The long tail is already here by bbc · · Score: 1

      "I worked at a used CD store in Colorado for a while, and the owner there understood the long tail even though he didn't understand it as such. When people were selling us CDs he would just look at the titles and be able to tell you what it was worth without even looking it up on the computer."

      I think you missed the point. The long tail is made up of all the CDs your former boss refused to buy, because they lacked commercial viability.

    16. Re:The long tail is already here by flink · · Score: 1

      Those bands are hardly wicked underground, but I agree it was some shameless name dropping.

    17. Re:The long tail is already here by michaelbyrne · · Score: 1

      :giantest rolleyes emoticon evar:

      hilarious

    18. Re:The long tail is already here by pthisis · · Score: 1

      If you're just looking for different versions there are a ton of them (the Grateful Dead and Nick Cave have a couple of pretty disparate ones).

      The reason I recommend Mississippi John Hurt's version in particular is because it was the very first to introduce a number of elements common to many later versions (e.g. the Stetson hat, time of the incident, etc).

      Independent of Stagger Lee, though, the entire London Calling album is incredible (particularly insightful statement, I know...)

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    19. Re:The long tail is already here by pthisis · · Score: 1

      Oh, yeah...

      Wrong 'em Boyo has them playing dice, not cards (Nick Cave's version has cards in it). The dice are a very common (to many versions) reason for the killing.

      e.g. the Lloyd Price version the OP mentioned says "Stagger Lee threw a seven/Billy swore that he threw eight", and the Clash version says "Stagger Lee throwed seven/Billy said that he throwed eight". The Grateful Dead version says "Billy Delions threw the lucky dice".

      Interesting to Clash fans is the (earlier) Grateful Dead version which says "Bayo, bayo how can this be...bayo go get him or give the job to me"--that's the earliest version with a variant of boyo/bayo that I'm familiar with.

      The Clash version is unusual in that Billy threatens Stagger Lee; one of the core features of the legend is that Stagger is evil incarnate and Billy pleads for his life with him. In at least one version Stagger is eventually hanged and winds up throwing the devil out of Hell and terrorizing it himself, and many versions have the cops afraid to arrest him. Billy normally tries to get Stagger to spare him so he can provide for his wife and kids (Nick Cave has him do some extremely degrading things to try to save his life).

      So making him threaten Stagger first is really playing against the legend (intentionally).

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    20. Re:The long tail is already here by Bertie · · Score: 1

      Get thee to bleep.com. LAME-encoded MP3s, no DRM nonsense. Brilliant.

    21. Re:The long tail is already here by the_rev_matt · · Score: 1

      Apparently I wasn't explicit enough when I wrote
      "It's Wilco. It's Radiohead. It's the Roots. It's thousands of artists you've never heard of and likely never will.". Perhaps I should have made that last sentence "Not only those, but also thousands of artists" etc etc.

      But just out of curiosity, you might try polling all of the people you know under 30 or over 45 and see how many have heard of Radiohead or Wilco or the Roots. Outside of the serious music fans, I'm willing to bet less than 20% have.

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    22. Re:The long tail is already here by recursiv · · Score: 1

      You are right about the phrase "indie band". I should not have used that. What I was trying to communicate was about the mindset of many of the fans, not the band. As an aside, I have absolutely against Radiohead. I haven't heard all their albums, but I like what I've heard. Anyway, I was trying communicate that Radiohead seems to have a large following of fans who like them, at least in part, because "no one's ever heard of them", which is clearly not true, regardless of how they've done in the charts.

      I did not convey this accurately in my post, so thanks for pointing that out.

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  4. Why? by jmays · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Why does /. succumb to these blatant types of advertising. If the article was submitted by a non-Wired affiliated person ... I might have read it. At least some other Slash-Advertisers post anonymously. pfft.

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    1. Re:Why? by ravind · · Score: 1

      Alteast he was honest enough to state his interest in publicizing the article. If you feel so wronged, then save your precious time and don't RTFA...wait, who reads those anyway? :)

    2. Re:Why? by Eccles · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why does /. succumb to these blatant types of advertising.

      'Cause none of us read the articles anyway...

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    3. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL, agreed. And I do (slightly) appreciate his (public) humility.

    4. Re:Why? by jmays · · Score: 2, Funny

      As you are a 'three-digit', I will honor that answer. ;)

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    5. Re:Why? by halfelven · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's what i thougth.
      But then i read the article and, lo and behold! it was actually interesting.

      Not all advertising is evil.

    6. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If the article was submitted by a non-Wired affiliated person ... I might have read it."

      Sure...and the tooth fairy is real too.

  5. wow by Phixxr · · Score: 1, Funny
    If I could autohornblow like that, I'd never leave the house...

    ;)

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  6. I'm the editor of weerd magazine and by GuyFawkes · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'd like to use s;ashdot to promote / advertise my magazine for free too....

    this weeks feature story is "Broadband is faster than modem dial up"

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    1. Re:I'm the editor of weerd magazine and by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 0, Troll

      No one reads weerd magazine.

      Or did you mean to say,"I suck as an editoor."

      God spoke with me:
      www.geocities.com/James_Sager_PA

    2. Re:I'm the editor of weerd magazine and by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Homer: Heh-heh-heh. I love their hilarious send-ups of hit movies.
      Lisa: Dad, it's not--
      Homer: "Gigabyte"! [laughs] They've done it again. Gigabyte. Wait, this isn't "Weird"! [looks at cover] Why, there's no magazine *called* "Weird", is there?
      Lisa: [takes magazine] This is *"Wired"*. It's about computers and technology.
      [Homer stares]
      Hey! Look, there's a cyber-café opening here in Springfield. Will you take me, Dad, please? I'll show you how to order pizza over the internet.
      Homer: The internet? Is that thing still around?
      Bart: [walks in] I know a web site that shows monkeys doing it.
      Lisa: Bart, the internet is more than a global pornography network it's--
      [Homer, in the car with Bart, honks the horn]
      Homer: Come on, Lisa -- monkeys!

    3. Re:I'm the editor of weerd magazine and by quantaman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't mind the editor of wired submitting a story. He was certainly very upfront about it and as far as I know hasn't submitted a story like this before.

      Of course his objective in doing so is to generate page hits but if he does provide us with an intesting article and doesn't make a habit of it unlike some other submitters I don't really mind.

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  7. If you're going to post articles here .... by Tranzor+Z · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can you switch my Wired Magazine subscription to a slashdot subscription, so I can at least read the online articles before everyone else?

  8. Primer by greg_barton · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Haven't read the article yet (gotta get that karma, baby!) but I think the movie Primer is a great example of a niche movie. (And the niche is us geeks.) It's a hard movie to follow and is definately geared towards smart folks, so the audience is bound to be small, but it will definately generate a profit. Dig a bit and you'll see why...

    Oh yeah, it's being released in Dallas and New York on Friday. More cities to follow. :)

    1. Re:Primer by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Haven't read the article yet (gotta get that karma, baby!) but I think the movie Primer is a great example of a niche movie.

      If it's a niche movie, it'll probably be on the local indie screen soon.

      I hope it's better than some of the stuff I've heard about being good, which wasn't, i.e. Young Einstein and Blair Witch.

      Films I did love watching were:

      Triplets of Bellville

      Run Lola Run

      Monsoon Wedding

      Shaolin Soccer

      Touching the Void

      Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon

      All of which were at the local indie theaters. I'm hard pressed to think of anything I've seen at the main theaters in the past 5 years that could hold a candle to any of these.

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    2. Re:Primer by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      Errr ... in my market (San Francisco), they were running "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" at the local Loews tyrannoplex -- on the IMAX screen, even.

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    3. Re:Primer by mcmonkey · · Score: 1
      I hope it's better than some of the stuff I've heard about being good, which wasn't, i.e. Young Einstein and Blair Witch.


      Who told you Young Einstein was good?

    4. Re:Primer by jdray · · Score: 1

      As far as that goes, any anime movie or series that now gets airtime on G4 is a good example of fringe TV getting facetime in our CABLE (Channels Abound But Little Entertainment) world. I like anime, or at least some of it (see my blog), but it's definitely not mainstream yet.

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    5. Re:Primer by twoflower · · Score: 1
      I hope it's better than some of the stuff I've heard about being good, which wasn't, i.e. Young Einstein and Blair Witch.
      Who told you Young Einstein was good?
      I think perhaps he misremembered what someone told him. It must have been Young Frankenstein that was recommended as good. Yahoo Serious fucking sucks.
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    6. Re:Primer by cens0r · · Score: 1

      It went to the major theaters after it did a run at indie theaters. It proved to be so popular that the expanded the release.

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  9. The modern internet addresses this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lots of pics of long tails and demand for curves.

  10. waste of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wouldn't bother buying Wired magazine, it has way too many advertisements in it. The ratio of advertisements to articles looks to be about 100 to 1 at the moment.

    Don't get me wrong, I can understand they need to make money but last months Wired only had about 5 articles, only one of which I would call full length, but before the contents page there are at least 5 pages of advertisements.

  11. interesting article by ZenBased · · Score: 5, Insightful

    but it would have been a lot more interesting if the author had provided us with some background information. He now makes a lot of statements, but where did he get all this information from?? the idea of the paper is nice though, now it is time to write something a bit more scientific about the subject?

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    1. Re:Interesting article by garcia · · Score: 1

      I want the article to be right, but it seems more like a hope than any evidence. Amazon, Netflix, etc are selling/renting a lot of material that traditional stores don't stock, but it doesn't seem like it's indicating any great shift.

      We are seeing this happen with Netflix for one simple reason. Longterm Netflix users don't get the more popular titles after a while. They are then given a title that is further and further down the list which ends up being something that is out of the "top 3,000". It's great for people that enjoy documentaries and foreign films but it sucks for people that have no interest in that sort of thing.

      Amazon has enabled me to find books that are somewhat similar to what I normally read cheap. Real cheap. I always buy from Amazon used. They usually ship quickly and I only buy ones that are under $2.00. I have amassed quite a ecclectic book collection by doing this. Yeah some of the books aren't in the best of shape but I knew that there was that possibility going in.

      It saves ME a ton of time searching brick and mortar stores and it saves me a ton of money too.

    2. Re:Interesting article by angle_slam · · Score: 1

      Re Netflix: I've never had trouble getting new releases. It's been covered and slashdot before. Your problem happens to some people, but not all people.

    3. Re:Interesting article by angle_slam · · Score: 1

      To elaborate, it seems that Netflix labels new releases as "short wait" to encourage people to move up other movies in the queue. But if the "short wait" movie is #1, it will get to you. This was true for me back when I was watching 10 movies a month and is true for me now at about 4-5 movies per month. Doesn't seem to apply to Long Wait or Very Long Wait, though.

    4. Re:interesting article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To correct a small error in the article: in the 50's a single, or 45rpm record, did cost 99 cents, be he forgot that the 45 had two sides. And sometimes the B side was better then the A.

    5. Re:Interesting article by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Who cares if it's a "great shift"? If I can get the stuff that I want, why do I care about the habits of others?

      I think you're missing the point. This is not about "great shifts". It's about access to media I'd otherwise not have access to.

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    6. Re:Interesting article by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Sure happened to me, which is why they don't get my money anymore.

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    7. Re:Interesting article by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      If you lived 1.5 hours away from the nearest brick and mortar book store, would your opinion be the same?

    8. Re:Interesting article by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1
      I have a very small bookstore near where I work, and can't be bothered shopping on a weekend.

      There's an interesting shift happening with me. TV, Radio and other "old media" used to be my source of trusted reviews and advice, but it's now moved to being far more about the internet, though not necessarily Amazon or other big players.

      I recently bought a book because of a recommendation of someone on their blog. It was by a writer I like, and the blog made me aware of it.

      There's also "mindset" sales. People on /. or on usenet recommend things, and once you hear it enough, you get tempted to get it. Look at how often "The Mythical Man-Month" gets referenced on /.

    9. Re:interesting article by PantsWearer · · Score: 1
      That's not exactly an error. Yes, maybe a single record in, say 1959, cost $0.99, but, according to this inflation calculator, $0.99 in 1959 is about $6 in 2003 currency.

      So we're talking the equivalent of $3.00 a track. Not to mention since you have to buy them in groups of two and one of them might be crap, you might be wasting $3.00.

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    10. Re:Interesting article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure happened to me, which is why they don't get my money anymore

      And that's exactly why I don't believe it. People aren't going to to pay them if they can only get movies nobody wants, so of course they're not going to give you any trouble like that.

      I've been with thme since May so I don't know if that's long enough to get throttled, but I rent around 30 movies/month on their 5 at a time plan, and I usually get what I ask for. The SW release was on short wait, so I put it was number's 1-4, and I got all 4 movies shipped the day they released and I had an SW marathon the next day.

    11. Re:Interesting article by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Uh, your hypothesis is broken, because it DID happen to me. By that, I mean they did it, I asked them about it, and they told me that if I didn't like it I could cancel my membership.

      So I did.

      Immediately prior to my cancellation, I had over 40 movies on "long wait" or whatever their verbiage was. They seemed to have pretty good depth on the New Hotness of movies, but they were not serving the Long Tail sufficiently well to keep getting my money.

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    12. Re:Interesting article by siriuskase · · Score: 1
      Longterm Netflix users don't get the more popular titles after a while.

      It's true that I mostly rent older movies and television shows. But, I've never had a problem getting new releases in a timely manner. Even though they usually say "short wait", I usually get them the day they are released. My only trick if you want to call it that, is that I time a return to arrive the morning of the new release. They always check in returns in in the morning, replace the name of the return with a message that means they are processing my account, then replace that with the name of the new release or whatever is at the top of my queue sometime during the afternoon.

      My biggest complaint is that sometimes I put a movie in my queue, then after a while, I get a message that a new version is coming out sometime in the next 12 months, and it drops down into that useless list at the bottom. Why don't they send me the old version? It was good enough when I selected it, the fact that a new version is coming out in the next 12 months doesn't make it less desireable. If it does, they should let me delete it from my own queue.

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    13. Re:Interesting article by siriuskase · · Score: 1
      They seemed to have pretty good depth on the New Hotness of movies, but they were not serving the Long Tail sufficiently well to keep getting my money.

      I agree, they need to pay more attention to their Long Tail. In my experience, if a movie is marked "long wait", it is more likely to drop out of circulation before it ever gets to me. I suspect that they only have one copy that they don't replace if it gets lost or stolen. This has happened to me enough times that if I was a pure Long Tail customer, I'd quit.

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  12. And I was thinking... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That Wired had an article on tail recursion. Woa!

  13. The Wired Rule of Content by heldlikesound · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For every page of insightful content thou shall have 7-8 pages of advertising thinly disguised as "tech updates" or "cutting edge information"!

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    1. Re:The Wired Rule of Content by utexaspunk · · Score: 1

      For every page of insightful content thou shall have 7-8 pages of advertising thinly disguised as "tech updates" or "cutting edge information"!

      hmmm... that experience sounds familiar... ...where have i experienced that before???... hmmm.......

  14. Dear Mr. Anderson by realmolo · · Score: 0, Troll

    Thank you for advertising Wired on Slashdot.

    By the way, your magazine fucking SUCKS. Always has.

    In fact, my friends and I use "Wired" as a kind of measure of quality. As in-

    "Man, that chick is really ugly. I wouldn't fuck her with a stolen dick"

    "Yeah, but she's still better than an issue of 'Wired'"

    "I concur"

    1. Re:Dear Mr. Anderson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear Mr. Anderson

      Dude, be careful, he might be related to Neo.

    2. Re:Dear Mr. Anderson by Blue-Footed+Boobie · · Score: 1

      Since when? WIRED was one of the few magazines of it's kind when it first came out. WIRED still manages to be a (i) succesful and (ii) interesteing magazine to read. Why, pray tell, does WIRED "Suck"??

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    3. Re:Dear Mr. Anderson by abigor · · Score: 1

      It's a whiz-bang mag for people with little or no technical background, which is okay, but it inevitably means people with technical knowledge will despise it for being sensationalist. Which it is.

      In short, Wired is technology as fashion.

    4. Re:Dear Mr. Anderson by Alzheimers · · Score: 1

      It sounds to me like you're confusing Wired with News.Com.Com.

    5. Re:Dear Mr. Anderson by Blue-Footed+Boobie · · Score: 1

      Well, Tech without fashion or style doesn't sell. Some of the most innovative (and well selling) products have also demonstrated that the mfg knows that style sells...iPod anyone??

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    6. Re:Dear Mr. Anderson by duranaki · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ahh.. good old techno-snobbery. I have a technical background and I still enjoy Wired.

    7. Re:Dear Mr. Anderson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hence it's moniker: Cosmo for Geeks.

    8. Re:Dear Mr. Anderson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I read it, my mother would see copies of the mag around the house and always read the name of the mag as 'Wierd' rather than 'Wired'.

    9. Re:Dear Mr. Anderson by abigor · · Score: 1

      I don't even know what to say to this...um, a lot of people into technology aren't into it because of sales potential. In fact, they couldn't care less. Let's leave it at that.

    10. Re:Dear Mr. Anderson by abigor · · Score: 1

      Actually, they sometimes have good interviews. Because they are a big name, they get access to the Big Names (I enjoyed the Bill Joy interview a while back).

      But yeah, it's sometimes fun to dish out the techno-snobbery - hell, I don't have much else to be snobbish about, so why not. :)

    11. Re:Dear Mr. Anderson by Money+for+Nothin' · · Score: 1

      What's a better magazine (online or dead-tree)?

      Serious question, I'm not a big fan of Wired either (for the same reason you mentioned - little/no tech knowledge required to read it), but some of their articles - particularly those of Declan McCullough - are OK...

    12. Re:Dear Mr. Anderson by julesh · · Score: 1

      Is it just me who can't read anything containing the name "Mr. Anderson" (or any other similar spelling) without it "sounding" eerily like Agent Smith?

  15. I'm not convinced... by Fluidic+Binary · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It sounds great and I hope it is all true, but how can 'the tail' possibly pay for projects that cost hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars? Many movie, music, game etc depend on the hits to bring in cash to pay for the misses.

    I guess we will see how things turn out. I'm not saying the article is wrong, I'm just saying 'the business' will have to change.

    1. Re:I'm not convinced... by kfg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm just saying 'the business' will have to change.

      Indeed. Just bear in mind that many of those misses only exist because the people who had millions felt pressure to push out some sort of product, rather than dedication to an idea.

      Most movies, games and even music are manufactured in the same manner that thingamabobs are manufactured, simply because the machinery exists and needs to be fed.

      Trimming the pyrite doesn't at all imply a proportional trimming of the gold. They come from different mines.

      KFG

    2. Re:I'm not convinced... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2, Interesting
      how can 'the tail' possibly pay for projects that cost hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars?
      In 2 ways:
      1) It is now easier and cheaper to reach your audience across the globe. In the past, it might not have been profitable to create a $1M movie about, say, gay cowboys eating pudding (ref. Southpark) and sell it to the US niche market. These days however it's not that much harder to reach the same niche market on other continents. In other words, the 'tail' has grown considerably fatter without much extra cost.
      2) You no longer have to rely on economies of scale to sell your product at an affordable price and still make a profit. If you make a record for $500, you can sell 50 of them for just $15 and still make a profit. The old model of music distribution did now allow for such small production runs. In other words: selling to a small 'tail' can be profitable because the overhead and startup costs have become much lower.

      The good news for us consumers is that we no longer have to rely on the selection of prefab rubbish fed to us by the record companies, who rely on economies of scale. Today, the tiniest band in New Zealand can sell a single record to a customer in the UK and still make money on it (they won't recoup their cost on that one record, but the cost of selling it can be lower than their reasonable asking price). Compared to 10 years ago, there is a lot more content for us to enjoy, and it is easier for us to find it.
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    3. Re:I'm not convinced... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For expensive movies, you're probably right. But there are lots of movies which don't cost all that much to make.

      Music is a different story. It's now really cheap to make. I can't believe it really costs more than a few $10Ks to $100Ks to record and mix an album. Recording and mixing gear which runs on "stock" PCs is cheap enough that almost any pretty serious band could affort their own gear. You don't need to sell that many tracks to break even.

    4. Re:I'm not convinced... by tgibbs · · Score: 1

      It sounds great and I hope it is all true, but how can 'the tail' possibly pay for projects that cost hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars? Many movie, music, game etc depend on the hits to bring in cash to pay for the misses.

      There are always going to be some projects that are so expensive that they have to be hits to make a profit. But even then, the long tail softens the downside, because most intended hits fail. The hits have to pay for the misses. So if the misses bring in more income, the hits don't have to be quite so big to be counted successes. So companies may be a bit more willing to take risks, even with big-budget projects.

    5. Re:I'm not convinced... by maxpublic · · Score: 1

      The good news for us consumers is that we no longer have to rely on the selection of prefab rubbish fed to us by the record companies

      That is, until the RIAA/MPAA buy enough Congressmen to pass a law whose ultimate effect is to outlaw all independent, small-time productions in film and music. Coming soon to a theater near you!

      Max

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    6. Re:I'm not convinced... by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1

      Hopefully, people will stop wasting millions like they do at the moment on making formulaic J-Lo/Julia Roberts rubbish, and maybe instead make projects that they are passionate about at lower costs.

    7. Re:I'm not convinced... by jcelko · · Score: 1

      Consider the projects that cost hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars that bomb. Movies are a good example (did everyone get a VSH of "Showgirls", "Water World", etc. for $2 at their truck stop, too?). The long tail is a way to recover some of the costs over time, just like cable channels.

  16. only two stories by plog · · Score: 1, Interesting

    niche, eddy, mainstream,

    there are only two stories:

    hero goes on a journey

    a stranger comes to town

    all the rest is hornblowing

    and markets

    1. Re:only two stories by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Those generalizations are broad enough to be meaningless. Might as well say there are only two colors of paint: dark and light.

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    2. Re:only two stories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and there are two kinds of slashdot posters: morons and me

    3. Re:only two stories by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      You go, Anonymous Coward!

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    4. Re:only two stories by Thuktun · · Score: 1

      when a hero goes
      on a journey, towns see a
      stranger visiting

    5. Re:only two stories by crash24601 · · Score: 1

      You forgot the martial arts movies, hero avenges death of teacher/father/brother/friend or hero fights in a tournament

    6. Re:only two stories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      there are only two stories:

      hero goes on a journey

      a stranger comes to town

      And the third: hot chick can't afford to pay the pizza delivery guy.

      all the rest is hornblowing
      Oh. Right.
  17. With due respect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...I think this is confusing somewhat random picking up of the novel and different being in vogue, with there being a widening of the focus.

    There's only 20 spots on the best seller list. There are generally more than 20 good books that have come out recently. Quite a lot of really ambitious, deserving stuff is out there, that gets ignored in favor of "what everyone else is reading." You see similar trends in music, movies, etc.

    Sure, there are a few critics who went down the road less traveled, found something new, and held it up and said "hey! this is pretty good." And people listened. But has that really created a wider market?

    Sure Into Thin Air did well. And now that author's other book is doing well. Great. So, name me one author (or one book you've read) on Skydiving. Mountain biking. White water rafting. You say "well, there aren't any." My point is "how would you know?"

    The net here, is that we've still got popularity that's driven by what's getting recommended as "the new hot thing." And, like lemmings, people flock to it. The mainstream has fairly limited bandwidth.

    If nothing else, this is proof that there are a lot of reasonably well-written books out there, that a lot of people might enjoy, and picking one at random and giving it the star treatment can make it a success.

    My favorite experiment on this--Stephen King (in his preface to "the Bachman Books," a collection of works he pubslihed under the alias "Richard Bachman." These were published without fanfare, under a name no one knew. About as well written as any of his other books, just less well known. They didn't do poorly per se--they did all right, but nothing like his "Stephen King" books. And, once he was unmasked and people knew he had written them, all of a sudden they turned into MUCH bigger sellers....

    It's still a question of marketing hype.

    1. Re:With due respect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      About as well written as any of his other books, just less well known.

      I've read three of the four short stories in the Bachman books. They're NOT of the same quality as his other works. If you read the preface, he also mentions that one (or was it two?) of them were written while he was in college, and thus, not his best works.

      The reason they didn't sell well is partially because of the author. But they also did not receive the same attention to detail, and editorial pampering that his other novels have.

  18. Interesting article by Jason1729 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I subscribe to Wired and I read the article a few days ago when I got the magazine.

    I want the article to be right, but it seems more like a hope than any evidence. Amazon, Netflix, etc are selling/renting a lot of material that traditional stores don't stock, but it doesn't seem like it's indicating any great shift.

    Amazon was most dramatic as far as how far much of their sales are of items not stocked at normal book stores. But that just makes sense; if I can buy the book at a brick and morter store I will because then I get a chance to see it, read a bit of it and be sure I like it. Once I've done all that, I don't want to wait a few days to get it from amazon just to save a few percent, I want it right away, so I'll buy it at the store. If I can't find the book in normal stores, then I'll look at amazon.

  19. Good time for Canadian Movie Makers by JPyObjC+Dude · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If this is true, the Canadian movie business would finally find it's own. Up to now, the movies that are produced in canada simply have not received the exposure that they deserve. Many of the worlds best directors, writers and editors are canadian but unfortunately most of them now work in CA doing what they don't want to.

    Hmmm Maybe it's time to get the Panasonic 24 fps DV cam :]

    1. Re:Good time for Canadian Movie Makers by JonKatzIsAnIdiot · · Score: 1

      I wish that were true, but the sad fact is that Canadian movies simply suck. There are a couple of exceptions, such as Red Green and Corner Gas (oh wait, they're not movies ... oh well). Perhaps if Canadian film makers concentrated on making movies that people actaully wanted to see, instead of politically correct CBC-eske crap, they would be able to turn a profit instead of relying on government handouts.

      The entire concept of 'Canadian' movie/music/programming-of-any-type is really outdated. If a singer from Canada, guitar player from the US and a drummer from Finland team up, what label do you stick on the result? What about an American production company shooting a movie in Canada with Mexican actors? Geographic labels on art never did make much sense, and much less so now. The sooner that the CRTC and the 'Heritage' minister realize this and quit dictating what the public can and can't see, the better.

  20. More Wired pseudo-science by mekkab · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Seeing as how the web is sicophantic and I already read this when linked from BoingBoing, I actually have RTFA.

    And I don't like the style- it comes off as scientific (Ohhh! It even has GRAPHS! That must be science!) but really is just a bunch of gross generalizations. This kind of crap is what keeps me away from wired.

    Though I do appreciate the mention of MP3.com as a long-tail only failure, there are significant issues with respect to business plan specifics that are completely glossed over yet are central to the success Anderson talks about. If Touching the Void weren't reprinted with a vengence, then the resurge wouldn't even exist.

    Also, lets talk about the major underpining of Netflix that allows it to "over throw the tyrrany of space"- the US postal system. If Netflix couldn't send the disks cheap enough, fast enough, or had more broken DVDs than they do, they would be out of business.

    In short, this whole article reminds me of a DotCom pitch- full of colorful and modern-styled graphics, long on exposition, but with holes.

    --
    In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
    1. Re:More Wired pseudo-science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Hey, it's Wired, not the Harvard Business School. :-)

      If Touching the Void weren't reprinted with a vengence, then the resurge wouldn't even exist.

      Yeah, but 25 years ago this wouldn't have happened, because there wasn't one big retailer that could recommend Void to everyone who bought Into Thin Air. And there was no way to capture the sales data on one obscure backlist title well enough to spot the trend. (Sure, if in this case Void's publisher had been too clueless to notice the surge in sales, nothing would have happened, but they did, and they sold a bunch of books, so your point is...?)

      If Netflix couldn't send the disks cheap enough, fast enough, or had more broken DVDs than they do, they would be out of business.

      But they can, and they do, and if the internet didn't exist, we'd all be getting more work done, instead of posting on Slashdot. Again, your point...?
  21. demographics and buying habits by G4from128k · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This trend is also a generational phenomenon. In researching the buying habits of current teenagers for a client, I was shocked to find that the majority would be LESS likely to buy a product that was used by their favorite star ( see national youth survey on brand loyalty). Nor were the surveyed youth very prone to peer pressure. The results pointed to a high degree of individualism amongst this group.

    If people stop buying what the stars are wearing/using and don't respond to peer pressure, then buyers will fragment and the long tail will rise in importance.

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    Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
    1. Re:demographics and buying habits by horza · · Score: 4, Funny

      If people stop buying what the stars are wearing/using and don't respond to peer pressure, then buyers will fragment and the long tail will rise in importance.

      Won't happen here in France. When I walk through the streets around 1/2 people are wearing "Von Dutch" t-shirts. I'm seriously considering paying President Chirac or Koffi Annan to wear one in public, in the hope that they will then be considered uncool and consigned to the bin.

      Phillip.

    2. Re:demographics and buying habits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So much for the Oscar gift bag...

    3. Re:demographics and buying habits by aafiske · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wellll... I mean, from the link, it seems that the kids were asked, not subtly observed. Sometimes there is a serious disparity between what someone says and what someone does.

      If it's become cool to say 'I don't do what other people do' (not to mention containing almost lethal levels of irony), kids might say that. And then go out and buy what their favorite star wears anyway. Maybe they don't think that's what they're doing, I'm sure there's all sorts of rationalizations in their head. But I'd like to see actual numbers showing that when pop star X stars wearing blue pants, sales of non-blue pants amongst fans actually goes up.

      So yeah, that's kind of a tricky study to do, but still. Everyone claiming they're suddenly independent doesn't make me necessarily believe it.

    4. Re:demographics and buying habits by Madtown+PLT · · Score: 1

      Hilarious and true. Also every Italian teen wears an Invicta backpack (And most have mullets and smoke). I'm convinced that there is only one brand of backpack available in Italy.

    5. Re:demographics and buying habits by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1
      I'm not a teen, but celebrity endorsement is one of those things that makes me stop buying a product because I figure that the company is moving from making a good product to lowering the quality and hyping it instead.

      Especially if David Beckham is involved.

    6. Re:demographics and buying habits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Smokers with mullets? Do they dream of owning black late 70s Pontiac Trans Ams with T-tops?

  22. could this not just be a /. reader who happens to. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    be the editor of a industry (?) mag? if I were to post what I though was an article that readers here could be interested in, but was created by the company I work for, is this wrong?

  23. I just finished the article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and to go off on a tangent and combine it with election-year politics, the "long tail" would be a perfect place to test out rank aggregation methods (a fancy term for voting). You could have people vote for the songs and artists by plurality, IRV/STV, Borda, Condorcet, Approval, or however they want, and they produce the rankings based on whatever criteria you want. You could even see suggestion by people whose rankings were similar to yours.

  24. So the moral of the story? by greg_barton · · Score: 1, Funny

    Get as much tail as you can!

  25. A completely digital product has great agility. by ARRRLovin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Unlike "hard goods", digital products have greater agility when it comes to gauging demand. You don't have to wait for sales figures to come back from stores after end-of-day. You don't have to worry about replenishment after you sell out of a product. There's really no overhead incurred with carrying a digital product, other than securing licensing and providing a delivery mechanism. This makes for a great depth of product and, depending on the ease of use for the customer, will keep a customer coming back if they know they can find exactly what their looking for.

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    -Randy
  26. Thank God ... by John+Jorsett · · Score: 4, Funny

    At long last I can indulge my cravings for video of dwarf amputee line dancing.

    1. Re:Thank God ... by Dr+Reducto · · Score: 1

      I always catch that on the Ocho, ESPN 8. Or you can catch the recaps in OSQ (Obscure Sports Quaterly).

    2. Re:Thank God ... by Moofie · · Score: 1

      That joke killed me every time it happened. Damn, that was a good movie.

      --
      Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
  27. Very interesting article by scovetta · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I must say, everyone who's been telling me to RTFA has been giving good advise. If you're reading this, but you haven't RTFA, you should RTFA now. I agree with the assessment that the traditional 80/20 rule is no longer in effect for some entertainment markets (or at least, not as much as the Powers That Be would make it seem). I've purchased CDs from Norway and Germany that weren't available in the US. I'm always disappointed by Blockbuster's "Top 40"-esque approach to stocking movies. I'm glad to see that it's not just me. Mike

    --
    Wer mit Ungeheuern kämpft, mag zusehn, dass er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird. --Nietzsche
    1. Re:Very interesting article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I haven't read the article yet. But I will mention of the several hundreds of dollars I've spent on CDs in the last couple years, most of it went overseas to European shops, most of the remainder was to ebay sellers for used, old music of interest. I doubt we're alone. I also found out about http://www.gemm.com. It's a site that catalogs music and puts you in contact with sellers and can broker the transaction for you. Pretty cool. I'm trying it out, waiting for a rare CD from 1993 being shipped by a shop in Germany.

      Not to mention p2p and chatrooms which have turned me on to a lot of artists I would never have known about. All of this access to something I like is probably what sparked me to get into music at my university and start composing my own stuff. I find it more fun than programming PCs, but I still appreciate all the OSS ppl. and ps: there seems to be a bunch of pro-audio people chomping at the bit hoping the day will come when they can ditch windows in favor of linux as a pro-audio platform.

    2. Re:Very interesting article by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1

      Of all the video clubs in my area, Blockbuster are one of the better ones. They do have at least a few leftfield/subtitled titles, where most of the others stock the big titles and then fill the rest with video premieres (read: straight-to-video crap).

    3. Re:Very interesting article by scovetta · · Score: 1

      You are my hero! I forgot/lost that link (gemm.com) and have tried for hours to find it.

      I'm now +5: Happy

      M

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      Wer mit Ungeheuern kämpft, mag zusehn, dass er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird. --Nietzsche
  28. Porn is the cultural touchstone by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The article basically says that the internet and the information provided in it will allows services and products that are only of interest to a few people to be profitable, by marketing them globally. Well duh. As always, the porn industry is the leader in technology and market trends. Ten years ago sites popped up that provided pictures of one-armed women in golf cleats doing obscene things with cottage cheese. There were forty people who would pay to see that, just enough to make it profitable if you roped them all in from around the world. The mainstream media is just catching on. Provide that obscure service and weirdos around the world will google for it.

    1. Re:Porn is the cultural touchstone by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1
      You've been there too? ;)

      Joking aside, that's the big thing about the net. It doesn't really help the big guys. High street stores (don't know the US translation for this) in prime locations have nothing to gain. They can now sell on immediacy, being able to touch the product and on local service. Some stores are suffering from people going in, checking out the product and people then buying it cheaper off the net.

      The smaller guys running specialist shops that previously couldn't get a big reach can do so now. There are shops like Cybercandy that sell candy from all over the world, so if you live in the UK and want some Hershey bars, you can get them. They can reach the whole country, keep anyone who wants to be kept informed up to date on product ranges, and keep it up to date. Pre-internet, the cost of doing so would have been enormous.

  29. Huh? This is not ECO5101 !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    .:

    Huh? This is not ECO5101? Maybe Lynda de la Vina knows what nonsense you speak, but we mere mortals are way too stupid to catch your meaning . . . dude !!

    :.

  30. Here's self-promotion back at you by Alomex · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm old enough to remember when Wired was relevant. Then it decided to dedicate all of its covers to managers rather than technologies, and focus on their human side (short story: they are all dweebs), rather than on the technical aspect of their contributions, which is why they became famous/wealthy in the first place.

    Thus Wired became the "Cosmopolitan" of the internet revolution, with the sole difference that the faces on the cover are ugly.

    I quickly droped my subscription and none of my tech friends read it either. In fact I can't recall when was the last time I saw an issue of the magazine.

    1. Re:Here's self-promotion back at you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no need to drop your subscription... Wired often gives out free subscriptions, if you look in the right places. Never been a paying a subscriber, but I've been a free subscriber for a few months now :-)

  31. I thought by smileyy · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought Wired was just a write-off vehicle for some company that had millions of gallons of fluorescent and metallic ink on their hands. You mean there's words in that magazine?

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    pooptruck
    1. Re:I thought by mattkime · · Score: 1

      oh god, i so agree with that...

      a former prof of mine was being interviewed by wired and they wanted to take his pic. but....they wanted to put someone else's head on his shoulders. (had to do with his book)

      at any rate, i thought they rasterbated over all their photos because they were too cheap to hire good photographers. turns out they do hire decent photographers but rasterbate over their images anyway.

      --
      Know what I like about atheists? I've yet to meet one that believes God is on their side.
    2. Re:I thought by horza · · Score: 1

      Wired is the magazine that geeks look at on the shelf to find out what non-geeks read to find out what geeks think, and in doing so they can try and design world-changing software that the non-geeks want inspired by what the non-geeks think the geeks are doing. Makes sense?

      Phillip.

  32. I Am Not Being Shifted, I Am Being Forced by BRock97 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The entertainment is a unique beast in that it permiates almost every part of our lives. From the morning news to the cereal we eat to the drive to and from work, people will find they are being bombarded by the entertainment industry. It didn't used to be that way, but has come on really strong in recent years. Group that with the number of movies that Hollywood produces each year, and you will find entertainment sensory overload?

    "So what?" you might ask. Well, the problem here is that there appears to be only so many formulas that main stream Hollywood can produce. So, all that sensory overload is starting to become the same thing over and over again. How many firefighter movies do we need? Obviously one more since Ladder 49 found its way in theatres. And, if you have seen it, you will find (besides the way it ends) that it lacks originality in almost every facet of its existence. Same thing with Shark Tale. Get down to it, its just a gangster movie with a kids front put on it. I am not the only one who has noticed this, either. Most in my group feel that most every movie formula has been done to death by the movie industries. Look at the movie Taxi coming out soon. Go and rent the likes of National Security or Lethal Weapon and you will see basically the same formula.

    This is where the indie industry is coming to the rescue with their niche titles. Its why your Napolean Dynamites are doing so well while main stream stuff is struggling to stay in theatres for any length of time. Its why Donnie Darko has such an underground following where as Armegeddon is considered loud crap by many.

    This, of course, extends down to the rental businees. People are hungry for entertainment and these niche titles fit that bill to a tee. I, for one, am glad we have a Netflix that is able to provide the alternatives to the Grade A blockbuster crap from mainstream studios. Otherwise, I think I would have given up on the movie industry a long time ago.

    --

    Bryan R.
    The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, or $12.50 as seen on eBay.....
    1. Re:I Am Not Being Shifted, I Am Being Forced by wattersa · · Score: 1

      This is where the indie industry is coming to the rescue with their niche titles. Its why your Napolean Dynamites are doing so well while main stream stuff is struggling to stay in theatres for any length of time. Its why Donnie Darko has such an underground following where as Armegeddon is considered loud crap by many.

      Could it also be that while Bay/Bruckheimer are off doing the minimum necessary to ensure a blockbuster according to their marketing studies and formulae, the person making a movie like Mad Max or Mad Max 2 with a really low budget really cared about the themes and characters in the film, and because of that ended up created somewhat or far superior films that coincidentally (or not?) had higher profit to cost ratios?

      Also, I noticed that there appears to be room for two movies of the same formula that closely follow one another:

      Deep Impact and Armageddon
      Mission to Mars and Red Planet
      The Truman Show and EDtv
      Collateral and ??? (coming soon? ;-)

      it's not really fair to put Truman Show and Collateral in there but I see them as great original films that had or will have copycats sort of like About Schmidt and Punch Drunk Love.

    2. Re:I Am Not Being Shifted, I Am Being Forced by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Collateral and ??? (coming soon? ;-)

      Actually, having seen (and thoroughly enjoyed) both, I felt there were a ton of similarities between Training Day and Collateral- not to the point of some of your other examples where the same basic plot summary could be used for both movies in each pair, but on more of a thematic level- both feature very long car rides through L.A. punctuated by violent errand stops, both center on a pair of men (who haven't met before today), one of whom is a straight-laced type about to have the worst shift of his life and the other of whom is a completely amoral maniac who pushes the straight-laced guy way out of his comfort zone and induces him to eventually push back, both take place within a single 24 hour period, both star an actor traditionally known for "good guy" roles as the bad guy, etc.

      Once again, I thought both films were excellent (though Denzel's Oscar was really more deserved for The Hurricane), but wanted to suggest that looking for a movie adhering closely to the Collateral formula to come out soon isn't necessary, as one was already released.

    3. Re:I Am Not Being Shifted, I Am Being Forced by wattersa · · Score: 1

      that is a great analogy. the more i think about it the better it works.

    4. Re: I Am Not Being Shifted, I Am Being Forced by gidds · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The music industry would probably respond to this "Well, if we make off-the-wall stuff, no-one comes to see it. We make movies that we think people will pay money to see."

      And to some extent, that's a fair point. Of course, that's assuming that they promote the less formulaic stuff as hard, which I'm not sure they do. But the unusual films tend to get pigeonholed as 'art house' or whatever, and don't get as popular. Look at something fascinating and original like Being John Malkovich, or Cube, or even The Truman Show (though that did rather well I think), or... well, you can probably think of some more.

      I guess it's a chicken and egg situation. As long as most people go and see formulaic dross, that's what they'll get. And they'll have trouble finding anything else. So that's what they'll get in the habit of seeing. Rinse and repeat.

      My last comment was about the X-Prize, and I find myself saying exactly the same thing here: people need to take risks. The execs need to move out of their comfort-and-predictable-profits zone. Do you think Kubrick worried about approval ratings when he made 2001? Did Kurosawa get a committee to write The Seven Samurai? Did Tarantino base Reservoir Dogs on market research and focus groups? Of course not. They just tried to create something good; the success followed from that. The movie industry would be in a better state if they focused on the good rather than the comfortable.

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      Ceterum censeo subscriptionem esse delendam.

    5. Re:I Am Not Being Shifted, I Am Being Forced by Stevyn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know. I see what you're saying, but to be this pissed off at it means you've thought about the problem and have done nothing to fix it.

      I try to watch movies that I like. I rarely go to theaters because it's a waste of money. I rarely by CDs because as an entire album they're a waste of money. I try to enjoy the television shows, music, and movies that interest me.

      Who cares if half of my generation is being brainwashed by MTV or Miramax? That's their problem, not mine to worry about.

      I've always had these discussions with people about how our culture is turning to a pile of shit because corporations found it's so easy to tell us what to like instead of us deciding. However, that doesn't mean I have to follow the same rules.

    6. Re:I Am Not Being Shifted, I Am Being Forced by maxpublic · · Score: 1

      I've always had these discussions with people about how our culture is turning to a pile of shit because corporations found it's so easy to tell us what to like instead of us deciding.

      It's just bitching and moaning, the point being to make the speaker feel superior to the masses/the lemmings/the proles/whatever while giving them someone to blame for the fact that they aren't part of the 'in' crowd. Just teenage rebellion, which some people never get over because they never grow up.

      It could be that the RIAA/MPAA give the majority of people *exactly what they want*. So they don't cater to minority interests? So the fuck what? Businesses exist to cater to their clientele, and if you aren't part of that majority demographic then that doesn't include you, nor should it.

      If slashdotters want to whine about the draconian tactics of the RIAA/MPAA designed to exert CONTROL over the consumer, more power to 'em. Personally I think the oligopolies sees profit as a secondary motive and power-seeking authoritarianism as the primary motive. But the tastes of people vary, and liking band A or band B doesn't make you a superior human being just because band A is unknown and band B is popular. Nor does it indicate that the people who like band B are spineless, weak-minded brainwashed fools.

      Max

      --
      My god carries a hammer. Your god died nailed to a tree. Any questions?
    7. Re:I Am Not Being Shifted, I Am Being Forced by julesh · · Score: 1

      I see your point. The problem is, very little is _really_ original, any more. I'll admit I haven't seen the two films you cite (although the summary of Napoleon Dynamite on IMDB doesn't sound tremendously original to me, I'll grant that Donnie Darko has the potential of originality... as long as it isn't taken down any of a few paths that are likely to be very predictable), but there is a problem here, and it isn't that producers are playing it safe too much.

      The problem is, writing something original is difficult. Nearly impossible, in fact. You can write what you think is original, but chances are that somebody, somewhere has done something very similar before... you just haven't seen it.

  33. That's odd. by PCM2 · · Score: 1
    I want the article to be right, but it seems more like a hope than any evidence.
    That's odd ... are you sure you were reading the right Wired magazine?
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    Breakfast served all day!
  34. Wired Subscribers Anonymous by SuperBanana · · Score: 1
    I subscribe to Wired

    It's ok, Jason- we all make mistakes, but at least you've come out and admitted you have a problem, and that's the first step.

    Who's next?

  35. I have put all my eggs in this 'niche' basket by tippergore · · Score: 1

    I completely agree that the future of commerce is a niche-driven market. That is why when I created my company -- WeaselBalls.com , we decided to cater to a specific kind of consumer, and only that kind of consumer.

    In the long run, I think it's going to pay off.

    1. Re:I have put all my eggs in this 'niche' basket by tippergore · · Score: 1

      it's not a link to goatse, i swear

    2. Re:I have put all my eggs in this 'niche' basket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Holy crap, talk about a niche market! One product!

      What if I want an 8' weasel ball? I guess I'm not going to be throwing my money at you, now am I?!!!!

    3. Re:I have put all my eggs in this 'niche' basket by KillerDeathRobot · · Score: 1

      I used to have one of those! But it died. How can you guarantee that your WeaselBalls won't break my heart just like all the others?

      --
      Thinkin' Lincoln - a web comic of presidential proportions
  36. Self-referential by russsell · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's a fringe-content article on Slahdot about pushing fringe content to distributed audiences through alternative channels! I was surprised that it didn't use itself as an example!

    For a far better analysis of the issues, see "The Perils of the Imitation Age" by Eric Bonabeau in the Harvard Business Review June 2004.

  37. Didn't Rob make this same argument? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    say...2+ years ago?

  38. If you are going to Auto-horn-blow... by mmmmmhotpants · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ...post your Curriculum Vitae.

    You are basically using your position at Wired to override the whole moderation process to publicize an article you wrote and your views. If you are going to do that, I would like to see if you are more qualified, at least on paper, than the average slashdot user. I don't think being a writer/editor for Wired automatically makes your voice about economics more important than another Slashdot user. If you were editor of the Wall St. Journal or a professor of economics, then maybe.

    I will give you respect, however, for being honest about publicizing your own article and not using some pseudoname. Perhaps Slashdot should create a special category like shamelessplug.slashdot.org.

    --

    can't sleep. clowns will eat me.
    1. Re:If you are going to Auto-horn-blow... by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Gimme a break. That's not his job. If I write an article and it's crap, and I submit it anyway, it's up to the Moderators to accept or reject it. Somebody decided that it was interesting enough to post - somebody that works for slashdot. If that's not enough of a screening process, then it's not the writer of the article or the editor of the magazine that needs to change, it's the editors of slashdot.

      Besides, what would the difference have been if I had seen this article on their website and submitted it and gotten it accepted? Would you be complaining then about his writing credentials?

    2. Re:If you are going to Auto-horn-blow... by adam31 · · Score: 1
      Since there's been so much bitching about article content lately*, Slashdot should enact a meta-editoring system.

      of course, you could just devnull the results, but at least it would cut down on sheer bitchiness.

      * = always

  39. Ok article, but not great by Retrospecter · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I'm happy to see this topic addressed, and the author clearly makes a good point. I hope the suits in the leather chairs are starting to understand this. Most of us were already aware of this apparent shift in purchasing patterns.

    However, the article did not need to be as long as it was. The same point was repeated over and over, and although there's nothing wrong with presenting evidence, I thought, "Ok, I get it." The article also had that high-school-position-paper feel to it. I would have preferred to see more facts and a little less dissertation.

    1. Re:Ok article, but not great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do U Lie?

  40. Not so for everyone by KidHash · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Whilst the concept is interesting (more choice, more sales), what the article doesn't take into account, is that for many people, they'll only spend a limited amount per month/week/year/whatever on films or music. I live in a small city, with a smallish HMV. I know that if I lived in a much larger city, with a record store with more choice, I wouldn't spend more money on records - I'd spend the same - that's all I can afford. I might choose different records, but the total spent wouldn't change. It may well be that documentaries are selling more on netflix, but one can't assume that these documentaries are 'as well as' another film - they might just replace a 'top 100' film, and so the company doesn't gain any more...

  41. Unless by Jaguar777 · · Score: 1

    Content that was once relegated to the fringe, beneath the threshold of commercial viability, is now increasingly able to find a market in distributed audiences, marking a shift towards the previously-neglected Long Tail of the demand curve.

    Unless you are the part of the fringe that wants the original unedited Star Wars trilogy released on DVD. In which case you are SOL.

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    Maybe you should educate the morons of tomorrow so they'll stop believing the leaders of tomorrow. - Dogbert
  42. Doesn't make sense, Miss Moneypenny ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    .:

    That doesn't make sense, Miss Moneypenny. Amazon is cheaper than your LB, and shipping is probably free, too. So it takes a week, can't you wait to read some off-the-wall book ? Or do you make a habit of dropping $10 on the ground and walking away ?

    :.

  43. Under Distributed Movies List by Baldrson · · Score: 2, Informative
    I've been using my own under distributed movies list to decide what movies to see.

    Basically I just look at the weekly box office for each movie divided by the number of screens squared and that tells me how much acceleration the market is placing on the distribution channels for the movies.

    It works pretty well. Playing the Hollywood Stock Exchange with this metric does a pretty good job of detecting bargains.

  44. It could be worse. by devphil · · Score: 1


    He could have copy'n'pasted other news sites' content to his own blog, added some banner ads to make money, and then sucked michael and CmdrTaco off so they would post anything he submits as "news".

    Really, Roland needs to become an editor, or at least be given his own category. He can astroturf for cash all he wants then, and we'll be able to ignore his stories.

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  45. You know how films rarely live up to a book? by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

    It's pretty much the same the other way round for books based on a film or TV series. My take on it is that the arts don't often translate well across media.

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    1. Re:You know how films rarely live up to a book? by NonSequor · · Score: 1

      That's because taking a work in one medium and adapting it to another medium is a task that very few people are capable of doing well. It's a lot like translation; you have to find things that parallel the techniques used in the original and exact parallels may not exist. There are a lot of things that literature can do that film cannot even begin to approximate and vice versa. The impact of describing a scene in detail is completely different from the impact of seeing all of those details presented to you at once. Both methods are equally powerful, but they achieve their effects in vastly different ways.

      In general, any attempt to exactly reproduce a work in another medium is doomed to failure. You're best off at choosing what you think are the core themes of the original work and making something new that preserves those themes while making use of the strengths of your medium.

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    2. Re:You know how films rarely live up to a book? by julesh · · Score: 1

      Interestingly, what the OP was unfavourably comparing the books to was an instance of something that did cross media well -- Hitchiker's Guide To The Galaxy, which started off as a radio play.

  46. test by greg_barton · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    test

  47. The "long tail" as it applies to products. by Dzimas · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I started a company that serves a relatively niche market. We make devices for computer musicians. Ten years ago, it would have been impossible -- the startup costs for creating relatively short run hardware at affordable prices were astronomical.

    With today's technology, it is possible to profitably release a product that looks like it came from a "big player" in the industry, but is manufactured in batches of a few hundred, as orders permit. This gives us tremendous flexibility to create and customize new products based upon a central core.

    My point? Its not just music and publishing that are being morphed by technology. Its also software -- think of all the shareware and open source projects that have dramatically changed the landscape of the software industry.

  48. Makes sense. by rkischuk · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Look at the television market. You went from 3 major networks (Fox) to 4 major networks and several minor networks (UPN, WB, PAX) on broadcast, and shows like The Simpsons, Married With Children, 7th Heaven, and Buffy found a place because there wasn't as much pressure to be the huge hit that's needed to maintain ratings at a blockbuster network.

    Cable comes along and adds a few more channels, at a lower distribution cost. Some local unaffiliated stations become "superstations" (TBS, USA I think, WGN), and a few niche players develop (most notably MTV, VH1, CMT, and eventually TLC, Discovery, etc). But remember the old cable boxes? They had a cap of about 36 channels, so there was no room for diversification, only replacement of one interest with another.

    Cable began to broaden as TV sets came cable-ready, adding broader interests again, but the floodgates have really opened with the advent of digital cable and satellite. Now, the incremental distribution cost of a channel is marginal. Channels number in the hundreds, and more unusual interests can now be explored - think Discovery Health, VH1 Classic, TechTV, Game Show Network, etc. The distributers are still limited, but those limitations continue to fall as cable providers find ways to squeeze more bandwidth out of their lines and satellite adds capacity in the sky through new satellites and better (or just more) compression. The new limits are becoming simply the ability of the channel to remain profitable, and provide their channel at a price the dish and cable services find profitable as well. Content is getting cheaper as media has become near omnipresent. We have channels on local Atlanta cable - Falconsvision and Comcast Sports South. Both capitalize almost entirely on previously recorded and produced content, repackaged. By aggregating existing content, they're able to provide something that distinguishes them from the satellite providers, and is easily a profitable endeavor.

    I see this trend stalling for a while as increased capacity is used for distribution of the same content in higher resolution (HD). This pause may be quite drawn out, depending on when the consumer decides that the image is "good enough". (There is little demand, for example, for higher resolution digital audio. I don't think 1080i is the end of the upgrade cycle for video.) Alternately, a new distribution channel (easy to use internet-based channel surfing) may accelerate this growth, but this seems unlikely for quite some time - with ~15 Megabit/s plus bandwidth requirements for compressed HDTV, it will be a while before the average home is able to receive content at a resolution that can compare to current TV technology. More hindering is the lack of a broadcast mechanism for the internet (one source, unlimited listeners within a certain range). A PC with gigabit ethernet would only allow 66 HD concurrent viewers, provided the hardware could keep up. This tech needs to cheaply scale to hundreds of thousands to become practical.

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  49. Wrong Wired. by PCM2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually, that wasn't Chris Anderson's Wired back in 1996. A few years after Conde-Nast (publishers of Cosmopolitan, among other things) bought Wired in 1998, they brought in Chris as the new editor-in-chief, with the provision that he could hire his own staff and redesign the magazine. So the Wired you know and loathe today is Chris's baby -- not the one you might still have some nostalgic memories for, back during the bubble.

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    1. Re:Wrong Wired. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for that info... even though it's not surprising that he's not the same guy as the one in 1996, it's more satisfying to think of this guy as some paid cleaner, whoring for geek-cred in the /. submission slop bucket.

    2. Re:Wrong Wired. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mean people suck.

  50. Wired, a division of The Sharper Image by Animats · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Wired has become like those "magazines" airlines give away. It's mostly gadget ads, with fluff articles on gadgets.

    In fact, Wired could probably cut deals to put their magazine in seats in business class.

  51. Actually, More Fragmented Market by reporter · · Score: 1, Interesting
    20 years ago, the TV audience was partitioned among 3 major networks: NBC, ABC, and CBS. Today, the TV audience is fragmented among 20+ stations, of which the majority are on cable TV.

    Hence, Hollywood, which produces most of the films, must target a fragmented audience. Each film must be profitable on a tiny percentage of the viewing audience. By definition, such films are niche films

    Consider "Star Trek". When it first aired, its ratings were considered terrible, but those same ratings would be considered a success today.

    The negative side of niche films is that they divide the culture of the nation. In the golden age of TV, with only 3 TV networks, a huge percentage of the population shared the same TV experience by virtue of watching the same TV programs. Now, with so many TV networks and so many films, where is the binding glue for a common culture?

    What is remarkable is that FOX news regularly beats the competition in this fragmented market, besting ABC, CBS, and NBC. Perhaps, there is something to this "No Spin" thing.

    1. Re:Actually, More Fragmented Market by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Really you have to go back to 30 to 40 years ago. After all, 20 years ago we had CNN, MTV (which was worth watching then), HBO, and lots of other stuff.

      But your point is still valid.

      Perhaps, there is something to this "No Spin" thing.

      Even if there is a spin, apparently it's a spin that's almost unique in TV news and more in agreeement with the watchers. Also, unlike almost every other TV news organization in the world, Fox News hasn't been around enough to be caught faking major stories (or maybe they just aren't doing it).

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    2. Re:Actually, More Fragmented Market by ratlater · · Score: 1

      You mean like this:

      http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworl d/ 2002052224_debatefox02.html

      A lead political correspondent actually publishing a completely bogus article about a presidential candidate. Where is the outrage we saw with CBS and Dan Rather. This person should be fired from his position.

      -matt

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    3. Re:Actually, More Fragmented Market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, they retracted and apologized almost immediately. CBS and Rather did no such thing. That's was what was so outrageous about Rathergate.

    4. Re:Actually, More Fragmented Market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was retracted immediately because only a complete idiot wouldn't have known the stories were false.

      Unfortunately, idiots make up a substantial portion of FNC's audience. Which, I think, is why the majority of them also like NASCAR. Since those stories ran I've talked to people who thought they were true - and more importantly, some people still think the stories were true and Fox retracted the stories "under pressure from the liberal media."

      CBS and Rather retracted the story and apologized when they found out the documents were forgeries. What did you want them to do? Not go with a story they believed to be true because the president would be poltically harmed if it turned out to be true? Yes, we'd all be so much better off today if Nixon hadn't been challenged by the Washington Post over the Watergate scandal.

      If CBS had run a story saying that Dick & George dressed up in full-length ball gowns in Cheney's secret underground bunker on weekends, it'd be retracted pretty quickly too. The difference is I don't think the story would influenced anyone's vote.

    5. Re:Actually, More Fragmented Market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, idiots make up a substantial portion of FNC's audience. Which, I think, is why the majority of them also like NASCAR.

      People you don't agree with = idiots? I think you are more intellectually challenged than anyone who watches NASCAR.

      Fox may have commentators who are conserviative, but they label themselves commentators and don't hide the fact they are conservatives. They don't have O'Reilly or Hannity reading the news, they are on their own separate shows.

      Dan Rather is a newsman, not an analyst. His political leaning should not come into play when he's reading his teleprompter or hosting 60 Minutes. Viacom, from their "Choose (Kerry) or Loose" campaign to 60 Minutes aka Liberal Book of the Month Club (from Viacom's publising division), is totally left of center. They don't get made fun of on the Daily Show (what, another Viacom outlet??) or constantly ridiculed like News Corp does.

      -NASCAR hating, occasional Fox Viewer

    6. Re:Actually, More Fragmented Market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Jon Stweart has poked at Rather quite a bit.

    7. Re:Actually, More Fragmented Market by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      "Choose (Kerry) or Loose"

      I'll take "Loose" 'cause I've been putting on some weight.

      Anyone who compares this stupid mistake on a Web page with a lead news story using evidence only an idiot or a hopelessly biased partisan would believe has no sense of proportion. Of course, the Fox thing was stupid and wrong, but they weren't pursuing this story for five years and putting it on the air in a desperate attempt to affect the election before the story becomes (more) irrelevant.

      And this is far from the first time that Dan Rather ran stories with evidence that only an imbecile would believe. Does anyone remember "The Wall Within"?

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  52. application to venture capital? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I found this article pretty interesting, and I wonder if his thesis would apply to venture capitalists. I've raised venture capital for startups for two decades, and one theme common to most of the VCs I've dealt with is their search for the "hit" company. The usual hit/zombie/crash ratio VCs quote is 1/3/6, that is out of 10 investments, 1 will come in big, 3 will keep going but bring minimal ROI, and 6 will go under. This seems close to the 80/20 Pareto ratio in the article.

    Would any professional VCs mind commenting on their investment model? Might there be a place for VCs who invest on the basis of multiple successful niche companies, rather than looking for the blockbuster hit?

  53. Agree with the idea by Psychochild · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I also think this was one of the biggest problems with the dot-com boom. Everyone was falling over themselves to make everything mass-market in order to gain the most "eyeballs" and sell more ad revenue. It's been shown that people prefer more "niche" content aimed at their interests. It's interesting to note that you can often sell more expensive advertising since you are delivering a targeted audience instead of a wide, undefined audience.

    I've been doing this in my professional life, too. I'm a developer of Meridian 59, a classic online RPG. The game focuses a lot on player vs. player (PvP) combat, with the advantage of having a long time to develop a very balanced system. We've targeted the game to the niche that is interested in this type of game, and we make enough money to get by.

    I think we'll see another large, sustainable boom once people realize that servicing a niche can be very profitable.

    Have fun,

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    MMO developer's blog
    1. Re:Agree with the idea by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 1
      servicing a niche can be very profitable

      ...ironically, that also happens to be the gist of the world's oldest profession...

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    2. Re:Agree with the idea by whovian · · Score: 1

      often sell more expensive advertising since you are delivering a targeted audience instead of a wide, undefined audience.

      I think Google would agree on account of its email filtering targeted advertising.

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  54. THANK YOU. by The+Queen · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It was such a horrific thing when MTV Unplugged came into vogue, all your favorite bands were shown to be unable to carry a tune outside of a studio. Do they even have that show anymore? Back in my day, if you had talent, and you went out and played shows, your talent would get you recognition. Nowadays, you have to audition your tits instead of your voice. (I think I still have a fair shot, LOL)

    WARNING: Shameless plug!
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    1. Re:THANK YOU. by sgant · · Score: 1

      While I agree with you on certain bands...not all bands sounded bad unplugged, and of course it went to the better musicians that really showed their stuff unplugged. Eric Clapton leaps to mind as well as Page/Plant...but for the most part you're right on the money.

      And no, that's not even on anymore. They don't play music on M(usic)TV anymore. Even VH1 is getting out of that.

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      "Leo Fender was in a 'state of grace' when he designed the Stratocaster." -- Paul Reed Smith
    2. Re:THANK YOU. by Fnkmaster · · Score: 1

      I thought Nirvana Unplugged was excellent too. It was raw, yes, but very intense. More Nirvana than Nirvana.

    3. Re:THANK YOU. by clifyt · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "WARNING: Shameless plug!
      Our band uses no vocal sculpting - all but one of our songs was recorded in one take. All natural baby!"

      I've never understood why this is such a good thing.

      Quite a few of us out there have talents outside of playing a specific instrument or otherwise, and don't want someone else to ruin it.

      For instance, I'm a *HORRIBLE* guitarist, but due to my knowledge of sampling and editing techniques, I actually have a few of my friends that are guitarists convinced that I am a pretty decent player -- even after I tell them its all digital.

      In the past, I've tried to bring folks in to play guitar for me, but its always been their personality and they couldn't take direction -- they felt that as an 'artist' they should be able to play what they wanted. Thats fine and dandy, but give me my money back if you want to be an artist -- I hired you to be a technician.

      So all in all, who the fuck cares if a song was recorded in one take or not. I don't. I want to hear music, not technique. As a songwritter first, I concentrate on that aspect of it. If it means hiring a girl to come in and sing her ass off, and then editting the fuck out of it to where it sounds nothing like her -- and is actually in tune to boot -- why the fuck should that matter to the listener either.

      Are you gettin something more authentic because the band played everything in one take? No. On stage, it might matter (and I can hold my own on the keys -- so I'm not useless :-), but on the recorded album, who the fuck cares. A good song that sticks in my head is all that matters...

    4. Re:THANK YOU. by sgant · · Score: 1

      Well, it comes down to how "raw" the song is. It's rock & roll...the mistakes, the mishaps in the recording live of a song actually go INTO the song too.

      You sound more like a producer/tech...which is great, don't get me wrong...I mean you make yourself (in this forum) seem like that. But next time, just on a lark, take your admitted "horrible" guitar skills and play it anyway on a track. The history of rock is littered with "horrible" guitarists that actually elevate the art! It's one of those things that sound bad on paper (and on a forum) but actually turns out better than you think.

      But over-producing produces crap 9 times out of 10. Plain and simple. Out of tune slightly...keep it out of tune slightly. It DOES matter to the listener!

      The albums of the past were rushed many times...they had to get the band in there and get them out and then slap it on a record and get it out there...rushed, yes...but thats where the real gems of music come from! When a band slowed down and actually started taking their time is when they lost a spark of something. Though, yes, there are great acts/albums that came away from that as something to strive for....The Beatles and Pink Floyd come to mind.

      But speaking of the Beatles, look at "Let it Be" and "Let it Be: Naked". The original was The Beatles trying to get away from over produced songs that they had been heading toward. But it was a disaster in the studio because (well, books and books have been written as to the why it was a disaster)...so they gave it to Phil Spector to "produce"...and the outcome was over produced slicky music. Sure, we've had 30 years now of listening to that Album for it to grow in our minds...but when "Naked" came out last year I was like...WOW! It was them in the raw. Raw songs. Some didn't like it really because it differed to what they basically grew up hearing. But I tried to step back and act like it was the first time I was hearing it. The magic was there.

      Ok, I'm going on and on. I'd be interested in seeing what you think of at least trying to play live...just to shake things up a big...get the creative juices flowing!

      Just jam and roll tape! Take care...

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      "Leo Fender was in a 'state of grace' when he designed the Stratocaster." -- Paul Reed Smith
    5. Re:THANK YOU. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bragging rights I guess? Some people might think that's cool. Or something.

    6. Re:THANK YOU. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess it boils down to a semantic question--how do you distinguish between a composer/songwriter, musician, instrument, producer, and prop?

      Composers/songwriters need to be able to produce good-sounding music and nothing else. They don't need to know how to sing or play an instrument. But then again, you could say the same thing for a (good) producer. The difference is that one creates music from nothing and one refines existing music. The musician translates the concept created by the songwriter and turns it into actual music. The instrument is what physically produces the sound--in the case of singers, the singers are always instruments and sometimes musicians. Britney is an instrument and a prop--she physically produces sounds and she creates the (gack) appealing brand image or whatever.

      What you do, it sounds to me, is all parts (except prop). You ARE a musician, because you actually translate the conceptual music the composer (also you) comes up with in real music. Now, I'll take your word for it that you translate it into real BAD music, but you're being the musician nevertheless. Then you're also being the producer and cleaning up after yourself--and the result is nice music.

      Being a producer is actually very difficult, often quite necessary, and rarely fully appreciated. It's also very frequently done very badly. I completely understand the point of view of people who hate over-produced studio crap and will only listen to live music. The thing to consider is: are there really only two possible sounds? Totally raw and totally plastic? No--there is a rarely-trod middle ground. Producing can respect and accentuate the strengths of the original music. It just often doesn't, that's all.

    7. Re:THANK YOU. by Fnkmaster · · Score: 1

      Personally, I have no problem with calling you a musician and artist as the producer, if you are the one primarily responsible for the work. My only issue is with considering a singer to be musically responsible for a piece's goodness or crappiness if they were basically just used as an instrument by a producer. To me, the authenticity is about the attribution of the musicality, not really the nature of the instruments.

    8. Re:THANK YOU. by clifyt · · Score: 1

      Raw?

      Lots of synthetic stuff can be VERY raw, yet sound like the guy knew what we was doing at the same time.

      For instance, I was at a PJ Harvey concert the other night (last night? I forget...life is passing me by quite fast lately)...that was VERY raw, but at the same time controlled.

      Sometimes, just taking my one 3 string guitar that is great for playing simple chords, and then filling in the harder chords or throwing in a solo through the magic of sampling, and you'd never realize that it wasn't real. Take the audio, chop the chords, and do maybe a 40% quantization -- its tighter, but still human and a bit raw.

      If you don't know how Rock and Roll is recorded, you have no right to try to fake it. Same with any genre.

      As for the Let It Be, you are right, it was a disaster. As such, Spector salvaged it. I can't stand the Naked album as anything other than a research disc. The remastering was incredible -- they did a great job at this, but the music was lacking.

      Besides, the whole idea that they were headed away from the overproduced ideal kinda goes against the rest of everyone's careers in the band. They all put out overproduced stuff on their own and collaborated on other peoples overproduced works. I think they knew exactly what was going on when they gave the tapes to Spector. Its exactly what they wanted...its not like the record company had the Beatles by the balls -- they could have done ANYTHING they wanted.

      The title song was listenable, but the rest -- I don't know. And this is coming from someone that loved their very early garage sound (well, garage from a 60s brit perspective). The stuff they did in their Hamburg days is amongst my favorites.

      As for playing live -- it depends on what you are at a concert to see. One of the bands I support is a touring R&B act that has a dozen guys on stage -- each one is a world class musician (at least by grammy nomination standards). I've also hung out with friends that were doing overly slicked pop productions where anyone with half a mind in their head knew the stuff was not being played live -- you came for a spectacle and nothing else, and it was still entertaining. of the bands I've seen in the last month -- my favorite were a 9 piece Islamic band playing for the Whirling Dervishes. All good musics have a place in this world...

    9. Re:THANK YOU. by suckmysav · · Score: 1

      "not all bands sounded bad unplugged, and of course it went to the better musicians that really showed their stuff unplugged. Eric Clapton leaps to mind as well as Page/Plant."

      Indeed. The old school bands in general fare better when unplugged. The most suprising ones to me were KISS when they did Unplugged in the mid nineties. They sounded pretty good and tight, even when they got "the whole family" back together for the first time in 10 or so years. Most of the more modern wannabes are shown up as the talentless whine-babies that they truly are.

      That's what I hate the most about mainstream modern music, the incessant, self absorbed whining that most of their "songs" are based around. Whatever happened to good old fashioned rock and roll?

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      "You can't fight in here, this is the war room!"
    10. Re:THANK YOU. by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 1

      Thanks to all the techniques being applied to the "music" these modern "musicians" are making we are getting to hear the least talented bunch of wankers ever perform on radio. Sure, the guy running Autotune and cutting up each drum hit in ProTools then aligning it to get the beat on time is talented...but the people on the cover of the disc aren't. I for one am sick to death of music where only vocoding the "artists" voice is enough to bring it into tune and make it worth listening to. Whatever happened to having actually talented people do the singing, even if they don't fit our modern ideas of beauty. Give me some Nina Simone over Britany any day.

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    11. Re:THANK YOU. by sgant · · Score: 1

      Actually yeah, I was kind of impressed by Kiss when they did unplugged.

      Even more so when Ace Frehley joined them and proceed to totally SMOKE the other guy they had replaced him with. Was kinda cool to see.

      Not to mention the fact that my very first concert I ever saw was Kiss when I was 15 at the Hampton Roads Collesium in Virginia back in 77

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      "Leo Fender was in a 'state of grace' when he designed the Stratocaster." -- Paul Reed Smith
    12. Re:THANK YOU. by clifyt · · Score: 1

      Again, why does it matter to you who is making the music?

      Personally, I *HATE* the autotune sound...its unnatural. I use something called Melodyne which keeps the vocal qualities, the quirks, but allows you to recenter the pitch without screwing with everything else, allows one to pull out the vibrato -- well except in cases of extremely bad singers who think that shaking your head back and forth is equivalent to diaphragm control (enter almost all R&B women -- I think Whitney introduced this group to the wild head shake vibrato which is near impossible to pull out without massive compression). It can change pitch mid word and keep the ties natural.

      It sounds quite a bit more natural, but its harder for the idiots that want to run things real time and draw in a changes with a pencil, ignoring that you will be making everything sound like oscillator / vocode voice.

      Its one thing to complain about the sound of it, its another to complain about being cheated when you find out for the last 2 years, a song you've loved was actually 'fake'.

      Its like the whole Millivanilli thing. Everyone in the industry knew these guys were fakes and the rumors were spreading fast into the general public far before it was announced that they were fakes. People felt cheated and they lost their awards. Why??? Did the music change drastically because there were pretty boy dancers taking the credit for the singer (who is still talented and puts out great stuff, but doesn't really want the fame or attention -- and was a willing participant to the point of coming up with the idea).

      If I could get my music out without altering a note (not saying I would with bland pop), and I had the opportunity to use some pretty boy as a front to get it in the face of others, I'd do it in a heart beat. Unfortunately, even Autotune apps break on my voice --so I just have my instrumentation with someone elses voice :-)

      Talent means nothing. Its the creative aspect that triumphs over everything. I listen back years ago and the guys that had the most talent in the instrument sense, vocals included, were the ones that had very little talent creatively. Elvis and Sinatra both had great voices. Both sang drek for the most part. Maria Calas had a great voice -- but she spent her days recording works by guys dead over 100 years.

      On my music forums, one of the synths I support is highly used in the ProgRock community -- there is a *LOT* Proggies out there that can kick my ass on even my choice of instrument...without breaking a sweat. They practice their instrument night and day as if hoping the 3000 Meter Solo and Synchronized Facial Distortion were going to be Olympic activities next time around. Folks like in the 80s like Yngwie Malmstein (I can't ever spell his fucking name) were the best guitarists out there and always had to prove he was better than Eddie Van Halen -- but never got the clue that better means nothing if your music sucks. Better instrumentalist generally implies the inversion is true when it comes to creativity and songwriting -- because they want to focus on showing off their abilities and not actually tailor their playing to the music.

      What happened to having actual talented people doing the singing (playing)? We got sick of them doing our music and doing it in their style and acting like divas, refusing to take any direction. At least when Britanies start to get uppity, we know we can dispose of them and bring on someone new. Fuck the talent -- I just want my works to come out the way I envisioned them...

    13. Re:THANK YOU. by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > If you don't know how Rock and Roll is recorded, you have no right to try to fake it. Same with any genre.

      Genres are pretty much completely made up, so there is no "faking it." You either make music or you don't. The quality will change, but telling someone they don't have the right to make it is utter bullshit. Your post would have been much better had you not said that.

    14. Re:THANK YOU. by clifyt · · Score: 1

      If you pull out a 4 piece string quartet (and I know thats redundant, but I've obviously got to talk s l o w to some people), you aren't going to be making R&R. You might do something similar, and Kamen did a good job of merging orchestral arrangements with good amurikan rock (even when it was done by ferenerz) -- but it wasn't rock and roll.

      Quick hint -- In art, everything is made up.

      Yours has to be the most ignorant comment on this subject to date. As these 'made up' genres (are you like 14, BTW, because my lawyer asks that I not engage in comments with those under 18) age, structure and style and relevance happens. If you are making good ol' American Rock And Roll, you know the conventions involved. If you are aiming for mid 90s, Drop-D AlternoRawk, other conventions apply. If you are going for todays stripped down pseudobrit punk, other conventions appear.

      Its as easy as that. If you are faking a style, you need to know this stuff. Its the old adage of knowing how your subject works before breaking the rules. Unfortunately, with the access to technology and easy of access to instruments, folks are ever increasingly having access to this stuff without knowing how it works and breaking rules that they don't even know they are breaking. This works out for a lot of naive rock projects where you are aiming at a less sophisticated audience that wouldn't know the difference either way -- honestly, most of the stripped down punk I hear today is stuff I could play when I first picked up a guitar and a friend showed me a trick to the Drop D tuning.

      But again, I'm not annoyed at all by folks that can't play or that break rules or otherwise.

      I am annoyed at pseudorebelious youth that have no clue about what I'm talking about and want to, like man, tell me, dude, there isn't, like, any faking it, I swear, because its music or ain't.

      If you say you are playing guitar and you are playing a sample -- its fake. The music isn't fake -- and I thought that was the entire point of my last few posts -- but the playing is.

      As for telling someone they don't have the right -- you are an idiot aren't you. Do you think I was requiring licenses or permits to make music? No. I'm making a point that one needs to understand the medium they wish to emulate before they try to emulate it, if in fact emulating it is what the desired outcome is to be. That is all.

      Utter bullshit indeed.

    15. Re:THANK YOU. by clifyt · · Score: 1

      I use to buy albums based on the producer or the label it came out of back in the mid80s because the style of music I listened to was greatly influenced by the folks controlling to output.

      With the consolidation of the megalabels, its become harder to do this with everyone diversifying.

      To the average person, I have no problem finding an artist that fits their ideal of todays music and allowing them to be attributed to it.

      For the persons that want more, pick the songs based on the writter and the production team. For instance, it was well known a few years ago if you wanted Millenium Pop, pick up anything by the Matrix production team -- it all sounded the same (and I had a friend that was in this team -- and I still bitched him out about them recruiting Liz Phair -- which he claimed that the 'horrible' album they wrote for her sold more than all her previous combined).

      There are not authenticity issues. Even if the artist does little more than show up, read a few lines from the sheet and go home while the rest spend the next 5 months manipulating the works, it means that their aura is attached to it and at this point we aren't talking about a person, but a brand. For the common person, this ain't a bad thing, nor is it something I'm going to look down upon them for. For me, I want a little more personalization in the works and I want something that isn't necessarily going to appeal to the rest of the world, but will be tailored to me. Either way works out...

    16. Re:THANK YOU. by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > even Autotune apps break on my voice

      That's interesting. Do you know why? Is it something about the "quality" (I don't mean good or bad, just the way your voice sounds) of your voice? Are you a bass? There's a fish joke in there somewhere...

    17. Re:THANK YOU. by clifyt · · Score: 1

      Actually, naturally I'm a bass.

      But a dozen years of speech therapy as a kid left me using the upper range quite a bit and its out of its natural range. Most people don't even notice.

      The bass end is just not very articulate at all and I have no control.

      As such, I've never been able to carry a tune vocally and Autotune and others can't deal with it. It doesn't break, per se, just doesn't work either :-P

      BTW looking at my other post to you, it looks a bit rude. This is slashdot, so I hope you take the flames with a grain of salt :-)

    18. Re:THANK YOU. by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 1
      Again, why does it matter to you who is making the music?

      It doesn't matter to me who in particular makes the music and does the singing. What I want to hear is talented people, whether that be technical or creative based, performing an interesting piece of music. I want to hear the persons natural voice with all the character that brings in. People like Tom Waits for instance don't have a "pretty" voice, but it is full of character.

      When I hear drums, I don't want to hear a quantised beat but rather the natural flair of the drummer playing on the track. I'd like to hear where he drags or pushes the beat, and be able to listen to that interact with the bass. Does it matter to me if the guitarists actually took 50 takes to get the track down? No, but it does in concert when I've paid £50 to see someone who can't play their instrument well enough to play their own songs.

      --
      All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
    19. Re:THANK YOU. by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > you aren't going to be making R&R [with a string quartet]

      You seem to misunderstand what I meant. Sure, there is a ton of stuff that will fall completely under the general rock & roll category and even more that will not. What I meant is that they are abstract things, not explicit categories. Crossing genres is constant and makes any attempts at categorization difficult, to say the least.

      > are you like 14, BTW, because my lawyer asks that I not engage in comments with those under 18

      That's a great way to try convincing someone you are right -- insult them. While I am not much older than that (27), I do have some musical training and am not completely ignorant wrt music & music theory. Out of curiosity, does your lawyer often dictate who you may and may not converse with? I'm guessing that was a joke, but you never know these days...

      > I am annoyed at pseudorebelious youth that have no clue about what I'm talking about and want to, like man, tell me, dude, there isn't, like, any faking it, I swear, because its music or ain't.

      I am pseudorebellious, I guess, but I'm not the "like, dude" kind -- at least I usually have some reasoning behind my stance and not just "it's the man" crap. If it has notes (and usally rhythm), it's music. When I said "you either make music or you don't" I did not mean to imply that I am the judge of what music is. What that sentence does mean is that if you either make music in some form or another, or you don't make any music at all & do not attempt to. It was a very broad statement.

      > If you say you are playing guitar and you are playing a sample -- its fake.

      Well, it's not necessarily fake, but it's lieing. I believe that's what you meant, though. Oh, and it's probably illegal somehow, but I don't know enough about laws/precedent on using samples to know for sure.

      > you are an idiot aren't you

      No, are you? I don't think so, but your reading comprehension is being called into question (see how easy it is to make up stupid insults?). I'm going to guess that you aren't too much older (if at all), since you seem to think Ad-Hominems are useful debating techniques.

      > As for telling someone they don't have the right [...] Do you think I was requiring licenses or permits to make music?

      You are the one that said someone doesn't have the right to do play rock & roll if they didn't know how it was recorded. That was the ONLY thing I claimed was wrong with your post, but you seem to think I was insulting you or your post in general. If that's the impression you got, I am sorry, but you are mistaken. I agreed with the majority of what you said. I don't want to admit it since you attacked me, but I do agree with it nonetheless.

    20. Re:THANK YOU. by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > my other post to you

      Is OK. I'm rude all the time. Sometimes it's hard not to be when you see what seems to be (and many times, is) ignorace laid out right in front of you. Sometimes it is, sometimes it's misinterpretation, but it's usually fun either way. :)

  55. Not exactly by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I think he was re-planting liners from older CD's.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  56. Also in the magazine by victor_the_cleaner · · Score: 1

    I read the article in the dead tree version when I first received it in the mail and found if very insightful.

    The one analogy I liked was that the Catholic church lost control of content when moveable type was invented. Perhaps the RIAA won't take 400 years to realize that Galileo (in this case P2P) was right.

    There was also an article in the mag about the program director for XM. You can draw some comparisons with XM since they have a number of niche stations that could play selections from the long tail.

  57. Two different effects by gihan_ripper · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seems as though Mr Anderson is describing two different effects here, though they both spring from one root cause: the advent of large Internet-based stores with low overheads which have an effectively national (or even global) market.

    On the one hand, there is the 'long tail' of the curve, that is, the sale of many different items, each of which sells in low volume. These are the niche products which most people will never have heard of.

    On the other hand, he describes the impact the new economy has had on bringing niche products into the mainstream, making them big hits.

    His first example (the success of the book Touching the Void) is really of the second type. It's not an example of the long tail at all, but an instance where the new economy has thrust an obsure book into the mainstream. This is really not essentially different to the very familiar case in which an artist, scientist, etc. is only appreciated long after their original work is produced --- only after some comfortable context has been provided in which to situate the work.

    --
    Phoenix, Boston, Little Rock, see a pattern?
  58. So how does this affect me? by Billy+the+Mountain · · Score: 1

    As a geek, I don't sit around in meetings trying to figure out ways to draw a bigger audience. I don't own any theaters and I likely never will. Also, the article describes the obvious trend that's occuring everywhere in all the things and services available lately, i.e. more choices and increased customizability. So all I get from the article is the fact that I can expect more independent films and more variety in the future, which I kind of already do.

    BTM

    --
    That was the turning point of my life--I went from negative zero to positive zero.
  59. New mod option needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can we get a new mod, '+1 Dwarf cripple humor'? I gave it +1 humorous, but that doesn't seem to be quite right...

  60. Slashdot has to pay the bills too by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 1

    Slashdot has to pay the bills too, welcome to the real world.

  61. Summary of Greg Barton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Post many times on the same story in hopes of getting moderator's attention.

    Fucking karma whore.

    1. Re:Summary of Greg Barton by greg_barton · · Score: 1

      Hey, at least I'm not obsessively following someone around and moderation bombing them.

      Get a life, d00d.

  62. All these boys hang at the same gay bar? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmmmm. The editor who posted this is also Roland Piquepaille's boyfriend. Wonder... All these boys hang at the same gay bar?

  63. I agree by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Some people might worry that Blockbuster can take over and do the same thing Netflix has done, by offering a subscription that you can use to get movies from a local store.

    But Blockbuster can only carry so many movies, and hardly any are the ones I want to see. I have 200+ movies in the queue and think Netflix will be around for quite some time, because they embrace diversity wholeheartedly and I can wait a day or two for some really obscure movie in the mail.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  64. Dear Mr. Anderson by confusednoise · · Score: 5, Funny
    Dear Mr. Anderson

    Thanks for posting an article to Slashdot that might possibly be of some interest to those that read it. Of course, the fact that you're the editor of Wired magazine means that many of the holier than thou slashdotters will now take the opportunity to tell you how much they dislike your publication, how irrelevant it is, how many cooler publications they've read etc.

    Some may even go so far as to suggest that they have the opportunity to fsck actual chicks with both stolen and non-stolen dicks (see parent above).

    God forbid, you may have actually posted this article because you frequent slashdot and thought it might be interesting to those here.

  65. go away, wired by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    between december of 2003 and january 2004 something died at wired. go away, evil editor, and take your POS magazine with you.

  66. niche-driven or convenience driven? by Vogulus · · Score: 1, Informative

    I could be wrong here, but I think you may be confusing some nebulous niche-driven economic model with good old fast-food like convenience.

    Sure, you could go to a fancy french restaurant and get some good food, for I don't know, $50 a plate. Or you could waltz down to your nearest McDonalds and grab a plate of crap for $5.

    This is why people use NetFlix and iTunes. Mp3s in general. The convenience of it. Why would I want to drive to the CD store, dig through CDs, come home and rip it, just so I can slap it in with the other gigs of mp3s I have. When I could sit on my ass, download it and be done with it?

    Sure, there's a greater selection, but I sincerely doubt that is the main draw. It's a pleasant side effect of the lack of overhead, as you point out. But that's not why people do it. They see the recommendations, it becomes much easier to stumble across rare music online. And when it's not expensive, and convenient, I'll snag a no-name band and check them out. I probably wouldn't if I had to go actually go to the store and buy a CD.

    And the fact that recommendations encourage people to look into new music/books/movies doesn't say much about people's tastes... as much as it says that they still do what they are told when it comes to taste.

    And there's various posts from people, "I listen to X unknown band, and I have niche tastes." Well, in most of those cases, if the music isn't coming out of you or your neighbor's garage, it's probably not nearly as "niche" as you'd like to think it is.

    And then there's the people who perpetually seek out obscure and shitty music just for the obscurity factor. Even they aren't really niche buyers. I think most of the time they'd buy whatever ISN'T mainstream. It's not a specific niche, as long as they is some shitty, mostly unknown music for them to rave about, they are fine.

    It's very easy to please the two major groups. (pop-chasers, whether they realize it or not AND those who chase obscurity for the sake of it, the intellectual aftertaste.)

    So, I don't think it's the "Long Tail" selection that is drawing in consumers. I think it's simply the price and convenience of it all, that gives people the opportunity to experiment with other, less popular movies and music.

  67. I've been expecting this by alizard · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I've said for years that record companies need to rebuild their business model so they can service and profit from lots of artists that can sell 10K units in a good year.The problem is solvable. Hint: their problem is based on physical CD distribution. What if all new record sales at record stores were burned on demand except for a small minority of megahits?

    There is no American teen sound and hasn't been for years, and the music business model hasn't really changed since the days of American Bandstand. A musician who might do perfectly well on his own selling 10K records a year at $5/profit per record isn't helped by the industry to sell 20K or 50K, he's dumped by the label and out of the nusic business.

    Remember heavy metal? It's fragmented into a number of subgenres as different as chalk and cheese.

    I'm sure this is going on in lots of markets that I'm not even remotely familiar with.

    How can gigantic entertainment monoliths get their ears into enough sub-markets to find the most profitable players? Well, automated analysis of P2P network downloads is one possibility, but they're paying for it while they are trying to make them illegal.

    This is the content industry's ultimate long-tern problem, and if they don't solve it, no amount of DRM and anti-technology legislation can save them.

    1. Re:I've been expecting this by julesh · · Score: 1

      I've said for years that record companies need to rebuild their business model so they can service and profit from lots of artists that can sell 10K units in a good year.The problem is solvable. Hint: their problem is based on physical CD distribution.

      That's not the reason they can't do this.

      Most of the cost of running this kind of business is in promotion -- if they didn't spend a fortune promoting individual artists, people would lose interest. The net result of spreading the marketing budget over more options is fewer total sales; they know this, because they will have tried it out at some point (on a small scale, of course).

    2. Re:I've been expecting this by alizard · · Score: 1
      The net result of spreading the marketing budget over more options is fewer total sales;

      Where's your evidence? they know this, because they will have tried it out at some point (on a small scale, of course).

      You're assuming facts not in evidence. I would agree that they would be complete idiots not to try this, but dinosaurs don't have to be intelligent, just big. They're depending on monopoly control of mass media and venues on the basis that "if our artists are the only ones the public sees, that is what they will buy". They are dealing with "The Long Tail" issues by hiding under the bed and hoping that by some miracle, American Bandstand will return and tell ALL the kids what to listen to.

      The problem with a monopoly of sales based on information control is the Internet and that's why they are creating anti-technology legislation like INDUCE.

  68. What's with the Recursive Link? by marktaw.com · · Score: 1
    On page 3
    Consider the implication: If the Amazon statistics are any guide, the market for books that are not even sold in the average bookstore is larger than the market for those that are (see "Anatomy of the Long Tail").
    Uh, I'm reading Anatomy of the Long Tail.
  69. He almost got it right by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But what he failed to see is that while new distribution channels are opening up which allow profits to be made in the "tail", as he puts it, there is a parallel phenomena surrounding the creation of media. The same laws surrounding big business' approach to 'hits' in distribution--that scarce distribution channels require them to focus on a few titles which have a potential for big profits--apply to the creation of the media in the first place. No film or record company is going to produce and market a title with the potential to only hit a small niche market, even if it will find that market spot on with the likes of iTunes or Netflix. At least, no media company that operates under a traditional model.

    He states "That leaves the costs of finding, making, and marketing music. Keep them as they are, to ensure that the people on the creative and label side of the business make as much as they currently do.". But just as new technology is opening up new avanues for media distribution, it's giving us completely new ways to produce and market that media. A band can now cut an album and put it online using inexpensive equipment. A good band can now get promoted online through word of mouth. No need for expensive A&R men, no need for payola on the radio, no need for any of the services traditionally provided by the record companies. As technology gets better, the film industry is being changed too. A special effect CGI that cost millions to do just 15 years ago can now be accomplished on a desktop computer.

    The point is, just as changes in technology are changing the economics of distribution, they are changing the economics of media manufacture and promotion. This is a great thing.

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    The Internet is generally stupid
  70. Quoted the article twice today by pileated · · Score: 3, Insightful

    before seeing this Personal Horn Tooting. I think the article does articulate a different business model that many people may just refuse to see. I believe that it was Tim O'Reilly who wrote an article saying that it was the Googles, Amazons etc. that were really creating the new killer software, not Sun or MS, and that part of the reason was that they gave more control to users. This theme is echoed in the book We The Media.

    I've lived through 30+ years of overhyped predictions about the future, starting way back when with The Greening of America. But there's a big difference between a book/essay that's trying to shape the future by exhorting its readers to make the future that way and one that is slightly more objective and says that it thinks things are developing in such a way as to come to this predicted future. I mention all this just to say "I hope that I won't be fooled again."

    And that I think what these various authors say is most likely true: there seems to be an inevitable democritization of media/commerce that allows for the Long Tail, whether it be in newspapers, bookstores, blogging, music stores or whatever. All seem to have the common thread of better too much than too little, better too all-inclusive than too exclusive. From what I've seen they are right and we might, I hope, all gain from it.

    I just wish I could figure out how to make a good living from it.:-)

    1. Re:Quoted the article twice today by salutor · · Score: 1

      Whether or not we can agree on a successful business model in Anderson's predictions, the events he describes are indeed coming to pass. The market for content is dissolving.

      Last year, according to R.R. Bowker http://www.bowker.com/press/2004_0527_bowker.htm, 175,000 book titles were published in the US alone. That's more than any other year in history, and it doesn't even include all the titles being published without ISBNs through outfits like Lulu http://www.lulu.com/, which gives authors the option to distribute directly. And yet, the same report notes that sales of books are down. Why? More content; less consolidated sales.

      This is bad news for big publishers and for brick and mortar retailers, whose profits have always relied upon the 80/20 rule described in the Wired article. It's good news, on the other hand, for authors (and bands and game designers, etc.) who are hoping for a sliver of the marketplace that they might not otherwise have gotten.

      Lulu, where I work, currently sees over 50 new titles published a day by authors hoping for the attention of a few readers. That number is growing all the time. Most of these authors won't sell very many books. But the money being spent on books by the book-buying public is being divided into many more slices.

      "How am I going to get rich if I only sell 100 books?" complains a typical author.

      Well, the truth is that getting rich as an author has always been a bit like winning the lottery. The world can support very few Stephen Kings. But it can support an almost infinite number of Cory Doctorows http://www.craphound.com/down/ or Tucker Maxes http://www.tuckermax.com/. The publishing world (and I include music) is more democratic, but it's also less glamorous.

      If you have content-- and people will always be compelled to generate more content, for better or worse -- in the digital world it costs you nothing to put it out there and hang a price tag on it (Lulu and CafePress are good examples). If it's out there, and it's valuable to someone, eventually it will sell. The economics of that marketplace, on the other hand, are not those of the publishing industry as it now exists.

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      http://MarketingType.com
  71. This *is* Wired, people by faust2097 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Just keep in mind that this is the same magazine that predicted "The Long Boom" in 1998, which was 35+ years of sustained global growth led by the emerging Asian economies.

    Of course Wired lost me way back when they ahd a caver that said "Viacom Doesn't Suck".

  72. Re:Primer *SPOILER in Story/Production* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SPOILER!

    Be careful reading the story / production, the bit about production gives away what mysterious discovery the scientists make

  73. Primer in Denver by tachyonflow · · Score: 1
    Oh yeah, it's being released in Dallas and New York on Friday. More cities to follow. :)
    For us Colorado folk, Primer is going to be shown at the Denver International Film Festival on Oct 21 and Oct 23.
  74. Katamari Damacy by BitwizeGHC · · Score: 1

    Recently I picked up a superb video game -- Katamari Damacy on PS2. Conventional game-industry economic theory dictates that if you want to make money you will publish a game in one of a narrow set of genres: jumping platformer, first-person shooter, fighting game, etc.

    A game involving rolling a ball of junk around and around, attracting objects as you go till it gets bigger and bigger and bigger, doesn't have a place in this conventional view. But I think Namco, much to their credit, realizes certain things about the US game market: it has at its center a richly connected core of young adults who have discriminating tastes in gameplay and a fondness for the offbeat and original, and who laughed at the "All your base are belong to us" jokes. KD appeals directly to these cultural values. Before, Japanese companies were reticent to release games that were a) weird and b) possessed a distinctly Japanese cultural flavor. Word of mouth spreads quickly about games like this throughout the chewy-nougat otaku center of American game fans, and what was once a sort of throwaway $20 release has become something of a cult hit.

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  75. Personally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the enternainment industry is just trying to squeeze every last damn cent from the demand curve. Because the damn price of hookers and cocaine just keeps going up.

  76. Okay, so I RTFA'ed by Alzheimers · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Two quick comments, and I'm not quite sure what to do with them:

    1) The entire point the article is trying to make, and thus avoids making, is that electronic commerse violates one of the most sacred foundations of economics: scarcity. This whole online vs. retail distribution model does nothing to explain the fundamental difference between the internet and brick&mortar, which is *there is no physical inventory to worry about on the internet*. At least, not at the scales we're talking about. Sure, it costs something to store a million songs digitally in eighteen different incompatible formats ... but the price is negligable compared to a 10,000sqft warehouse to store a million standard CDs.

    The bottom line is that the online model of distribution has lowered the break-even point of multimedia to the creation phase. Books, Music, Movies all become the same as signals on a wire that can be plugged in anywhere in civilization. Once the initial cost of production and advertising has been recouped, there's a *minimal* cost to distribution online that scares economists and retailers alike. You don't have to worry about stock, about shipping, or about inventory management. Thus, a twenty thousand dollar movie like Clerks or Blair Witch can easily become a hit -- because it takes much less effort to make more profit than a hundred-million dollar blockbuster!

    2) When mentioning the MP3.com lawsuits, the article fails to mention the paradox of it's greatest innovation and fatal flaw. The reason MP3.com became so huge and the reason it got sued was because of a service that allowed you to put your CD in your PC at home, scan it for authenticity, then be able to access those songs from anywhere. The downside was, these songs were all in one database, created by MP3.com, and stored by MP3.com. The laws that say you can make a backup copy clearly (or not) state that only *you* are authorized to access *your* backups. Just because you own a CD doesn't entitle you to access MP3.com's digital copy. It's a rediculous semantic issue, and even further befuddles the issue of rights management. Ie. When I buy a CD, what am I getting? If I'm getting a physical piece of plastic, then I can do whatever I want with it. If I'm getting a license to listen to those songs, then I should be allowed to have access to those songs in whatever format I choose, and a replacement CD in the case of distaster should only cost the price of the round plastic and shipping.

    These issues will be ironed out, not by courts, but by the people who want their music. They're already speaking with their wallets, and that's what scares institutions like the RIAA. It's not because people want to steal all the music (some do, but they make us look bad).

    It's because the people, the consumers, want a free market to decide the cost of their entertainment. Artifical Scarcity in the form of big movie theaters, Book stores, CD stores, and DVD rental outlets are going to suffer due to the changing economics of the internet. It's not hype, and it's not loved by everyone, but it's the future.

    It's why I can put a Wassily Kandinsky painting on my wall for $9.99. Not because I don't appreciate the art or think that the artist doesn't deserve to get paid. It's because technology has provided the ability to reproduce art at such a high level of quality. Now I can be one of a million people to buy that $9.99 poster and still appreciate fine art.

    1. Re:Okay, so I RTFA'ed by sserendipity · · Score: 1

      "[i]When mentioning the MP3.com lawsuits, the article fails to mention the paradox of it's greatest innovation and fatal flaw. The reason MP3.com became so huge and the reason it got sued was because of a service that allowed you to put your CD in your PC at home, scan it for authenticity, then be able to access those songs from anywhere.[/i]" 1. This wasn't why mp3.com got huge. They got huge because they got all their content for free, and were funded for over a billion dollars. 2. The service you discuss was just one of many they departed on when they realized that gigabytes of craptacular mp3s weren't very interesting to anyone, and that much of the talent they were trying to attract was avoiding them like the plague, since any good music is drowned by the voices of a hundred bedroom musicians. 3. When the brought this out, all my friends were at each other's houses 'authorizing' each other's entire cd collections to their mp3 locker accounts : it was faster than ripping them on the old 4X cd burners and Pentium IIs.

  77. Why I like Wired by ninjagin · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Okay, I'm probably surrendering a couple of my geek points by saying it, but I like my Wired.

    Reasons:

    • I work on and around computer technology all day long. Sometimes its nice to read something that doesn't tax my brain anymore than I want it to.
    • I like Bruce Sterling.
    • Japanese Schoolgirl Watch -- nuf said
    • I can skip the ads if I want to. Ads, fwiw, can also be found in my daily newspaper. I am able to look past ads.
    • the subscription cost is dirt cheap.
    • nice paper texture, layout, color and page design. It's just pleasing to look at.
    • If I find the subject of an article interesting, I can look to other sources for more information. Wired never pretends to be an authoritative publication.
    • I really enjoy the fetish section, even if I'm not looking for the products they list there. The very first time I ever saw a roomba was in Wired, years ago.
    • The Schwartzenegger article was really good.
    • They don't take themselves too seriously.
    • I don't agree with every editorial I find there.
    • Wired articles often get mentioned on slashdot, where I can watch people bang the topics aruond a ittle.

    Is there some stuff that I'd like to see? Sure. I wish the articles were longer, and that there were more of them. I wish that the number of graphics-intensive, full-page 2-paragrpah articles was a little smaller. Apart from that, I wouldn't change anything.

    As far as the tail goes, we have more choices because our larger retailers (online and otherwise) are able to make so many more diverse choices in terms of what they want to (and can) sell. The supermarket is a good example. As years went by and people learned more about regional cuisine, and fresh/organic vegetables, retailers became pressured to supply these items because they were losing business to these little niche shops and mom&pop veggie-fruit stands. When organic veggies first showed up in my town (15 years ago), you just didn't have enough of them being grown to allow a major grocery to buy the stuff. As production of organics rose in volume, they became part of the ordinary offering. In dense urban areas (London, Paris, NYC), the range of choices was always wide and varied because of the diversity of the population was similarly wide and varied. I see the diversity of today's channels of information (cable, the net, books, papers, magazines) as spreading demand out along the tail. The choices were always there, it's just that people are more likely to know about them, and getting exactly what one wants is easier in the age of fedex.

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  78. Then they owe me! by mekkab · · Score: 1

    Then they owe me about 900 pages of "insightful" content; and this ain't it.

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  79. What we need... by greg_barton · · Score: 1

    What we need is a cross between a Kinkos, a record store, and a coffee shop. Lots of listening stations to sample the music. A social atmosphere, like a book store. High quality printing and CD burning facilities to fabricate the end product. To prevent piracy you have highly secured local storage and VPN back to the central server.

    It'd basically be a mix CD burning store.

  80. Glad to see I'm not the only one.... by sideshow+Pablo · · Score: 1

    Who thinks Wired is the Time/Cosmopolitan/steaming pile of do-do of tech magazines. Years ago, in 97, I was actually interviewed by them for finding a security flaw in Internet Explorer based on shortcuts. Yes, yes, I know every CS major in the country has found an IE security flaw (it's kinda like freecell for CS geeks) but back then it was quite the cats pajamas. Anywho... The person interviewing me turned out to be a Mac person BSR (Before Steve's Return) who didn't have a F'ing (Fudging) clue about Windows. It was about the third time explaining what a shortcut was that I finally just stopped talking and let my roommate deal with it. It's a magazine by liberal art majors for liberal Art majors...and Florida State Grads. ;)

  81. I'm moving towards 'collections' by Simonetta · · Score: 1

    I don't know what the industry is doing, but I'm moving towards collections.

    These are DVD-ROMs or even Hard Drives that have 70 or so albums on a DVD or several hundred albums on a old hard drive. These aren't just random musical albums, but related titles.

    It goes without saying that the only money changing hands is for the medium. No copyright fees, no rentals, no payments to the 'artists' or the global media corporations, no payments except the cost of the media.

    And the media is cheap. Blank DVD ROMs hit $0.30 (US) each last week at Fry's Electronics, cheap enough to trade. 30 gig hard disks sell in the $30 range.

    Collections are a really good way to get exposure to lots of 'long tail' artists. The article was well-reseached and well-thought-out, but it ignored the central but often unspoken truth of the digital media age: the price to the consumer for digital content has fallen many orders of magnitude compared to content on older analog media. The fact that this is currently illegal doesn't really change anything. The laws were custom written by the global media companies for their continued enrichment during the transision to the digital age. When the global media companies disappear, the copyright laws will also. And orders-of-magnitude cost and profit reductions will make them disappear. It's just a matter of time.
    If the media corporations go bankrupt, will the stream of new content and new artistic works disappear. To a great extent, yes. But it will mostly be the product of the stars. The real artists will continue to work and produce, however they will be compensated in quite different methods. Perhaps the new permanent class of super rich being created by current American policies will take to being patrons of individual artists in a manner similiar to the Medici's sponsorship of the artists of Florence in the 1400's. Maybe the church will fund the recordings of great rock musicians in order to revive the faith amoung the young. Who knows? The only thing that seems certain is that the five global media companies will go bankrupt within about 20 years at most. Don't invest your life savings in them.

  82. Now THIS is what the RIAA is scared of. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This sort of economic model spells the death of the Top 20 mindset that a lot of the traditional media conglomerates care about.

    NOT PIRACY. Piracy just accelerates the change,..

    Previously if your band topped out at 2000th most popular nobody gave a shit. Now if you can do that you can make a respectable living off of making the music you like.

    The PHA3r the loss of power. Who gives a crap about "getting signed" when you can spend 7000 dollars on a recording studio in your basement and sell your records on the internet and promote it with free mp3 downloads?

    What is the difference between selling a 1000000 records at and receive .5% of the revenue vs selling 80000 records and get 70% of the revenue?

    That's 8% of the sales and you get about the same revenue. That's what the RIAA is scared of.

    We still want music, artists still want to make a living making music (and other media), but neither of us like or even want the RIAA anymore. Their entire industry is growing obsolete.

  83. LIbrarians lead the way again by ynotds · · Score: 1
    Three words: Inter Library Loans.

    I am not a librarian, but half the time those of us who imagine being at the leading edge of computer technology run into a problem, we find that librarians found and addressed the same problem years earlier.*

    From the article:
    retailers will carry only content that can generate sufficient demand to earn its keep. But each can pull only from a limited local population - perhaps a 10-mile radius for a typical movie theater, less than that for music and bookstores, and even less (just a mile or two) for video rental shops
    Inter-library loans and, even more particularly, searchable indexes spanning many academic libraries, have long provided one channel to make quite obscure books available to widely and thinly distributed autiences.

    *A couple more examples
    • in the very early '80s, intrigued by the possibilities of online information services, I briefly joined the Australian Database Development Association which I soon discovered was driven by librarians.
    • Our vocal concerns over censorship trail along behind those that well organised library associations have long been expressing.
    Of course like most IT types if it's not invented here we don't want to listen.

    And I still buy Wired every month but rarely find time to open it:-(
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  84. All of which leads... by sbeitzel · · Score: 1

    ...to ESPN 8, "The Ocho!"

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  85. I Love This Idea by LuYu · · Score: 1

    ...with a lot of new data, that the entertainment industry is shifting from an era of hit-driven economics to one of niche-driven economics.
    I love this idea, but the *AAs certainly will not. This directly conflicts with their business model. If they had to package entertainment for every 10 individuals, they would cry bloody murder even more than they are now (and it would be similarly suspicious).

    I really hope such a thing comes to pass. I want to live in a world where I can get access to any information that I might want whenever I might want it.

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  86. Music Got Soul by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Of course it's all (formally) "music", but Sinatra doesn't suck because Frank didn't suck. Music is an extremely high bandwidth human communications medium, highly referential to language, past works, current events, feelings and knowledge. It employs some of the oldest techniques, like rhythm, scales, tones and timing, and many of the newest in any media. All to convey what's on the mind of the sender to the mind of the listener. All the tricks in the world, some invented by people like Sinatra, can't make the medium any better than the messenger, or their unique message. Britney, like so many pop stars (including Sinatra contemporaries), doesn't have anything to express. Sinatra had a deep, unique personality, and his stardom was generated by his persona. We feel Frank when we hear his music, and are impressed. We feel Britney sometimes, through the synthetics, and feel nothing - usually we feel only the machine bringing her to us, and feel even less.

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  87. inversions by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's the _OMNI_ magazine for technology.

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  88. T I R E D by cthlptlk · · Score: 1

    "I'm the editor of Wired Magazine and if you'll forgive the autohornblowing, I think you'll be interested in my piece in our latest issue. It argues, with a lot of new data, that the entertainment industry is shifting from an era of hit-driven economics to one of niche-driven economics. Content that was once relegated to the fringe, beneath the threshold of commercial viability, is now increasingly able to find a market in distributed audiences, marking a shift towards the previously-neglected Long Tail of the demand curve."

    Gosh, remember when Wired was the next big thing, and stuff like "autohornblowing" didn't seem as pretentious as hell? Back in the day, it was possible to believe that there was a secret society of geeks talking this way, but now we are the secret society of geeks right here on slashdot and you don't really see this kind of precious, self-conscious diction.

    Oh, you're autohornblowing, alright, but not in the sense that you mean....

  89. The print is just to force the demographic. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    I thought Wired was just a write-off vehicle for some company that had millions of gallons of fluorescent and metallic ink on their hands. You mean there's words in that magazine?

    I always thought that the printing style was intended to force the demographic toward "young tech-savvy yuppies" by excluding anyone old enough to have presbyopia (along with anyone with other visual problems, such as color perception abnormalities.)

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  90. Gives them a stronger argument for the DMCA. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    This sort of economic model spells the death of the Top 20 mindset that a lot of the traditional media conglomerates care about.

    NOT PIRACY. Piracy just accelerates the change,..


    More importantly, this gives them more ammunition for pushing to extend copyrights and claim that there is residual value in their old material that must be protected, and which can be tapped as soon as those nasty pirates are slapped down.

    Think about it: The Wired article is talking about the old stuff and non-top-10% stuff pulling in MORE MONEY than all the current in-store product combined.

    Granted that requires digital distribution and a sane pricing model. But now we've got an article from a respected source giving them the opportunity to put a pricetag on the potential market - a pricetag larger than their current multi-billion-dollar gross.

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  91. Digital River or La Prairie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I finally had a look at this rag for the first time since the dotcom meltdown. It's turned into Vogue for geeks, with iPods in the place of the lingerie and face cream. The few "real" stories were insufficiently sourced and/or tendentious fluff without much in the way of sound reasoning to back them up.

    So I would say that Mr. Anderson's magazine is crap, except that "crap" sounds a bit too substantial. Someone slap Cowboyneal for letting this one in.

  92. Re: Britney Spears by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

    You could say the same of Frank Sinatra or Bobby Derren. Why does their music have impact and BS doesn't?

    To begin with, they do have a brain.

  93. Offtopic, sorry, re Santa Cruz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Is Tampico's restaurant still there in downtown SC? I have some funny stories I could tell about that place...

  94. whre the business will wind up? by alizard · · Score: 1
    'the tail' possibly pay for projects that cost hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars

    My guess is that it generally won't. However, the price of technology is dropping, we're only a few years from being able to make movies with comparable-to-Hollywood production values with no more than a closet full of PCs full of programmable video cards, i.e. a poor-man's CGI renderfarm.

    The dominant reality is that the market is fragmenting and the projects which can reasonably expected to be profitable with multimillion production budgets are going to get fewer and fewer. So some people will be making content with $100K, others will make it with pocket change, and we'll be able to find either if we really want to.

    The big discontinuities will happen when this catches up with the Hollywood content cartel providers in the form of a shakeout.

    Their best hope is to put this off long enough for the current CEOs to retire.

    Sony will probably survive, via crosssubsidy from it's consumer products. My guess is that one of the others in the Big 5 will be smart enough to see which way the wind is going and change business models in time.

    The other 4 will exist. . . nominally, they'll be bought out by investors to get their content catalogues and their production assets will probably be put on the block at fire sale prices.

  95. related article by X_Caffeine · · Score: 1
    There was an excellent related article a couple weeks ago in the LA Weekly, "A Small New Future"
    ...These are but a few of the signs that the record business is coming to grips with a small new future. That doesn't mean the industry's overall revenues will shrink, nor that record sales will go down. Right now, record sales are plainly rising... They're just not rising in the ways we've become accustomed to -- the biggest, most famous artists are no longer posting ever more impressive sales figures. Suddenly, there are more and more records selling 10,000 to 500,000 copies each year, and less and less selling 1 million to 10 million. To put it simply, the patterns that used to govern sales no longer work. The industry's biggest successes are now small ones.

    Industry insiders are just as confused by the good news as they are by the bad. Here are the kinds of questions they've been asking themselves: Why doesn't Eminem break out on the order of the Beatles and sell 10 million copies of every release? Why can't Britney, Whitney, Madonna and Mariah make hits like they used to? Why can't the Strokes break through to the mainstream, stymied at 500,000 units shifted? Conversely, they wonder how a one-off Sub Pop release like the Postal Service's Give Up -- a mash-up of the niche genres of bedroom electronica and emo-punk -- has sold well over 250,000 copies. How could Matador sell a half-million copies of the debut by an unheralded New York band like Interpol? Why are bands like Modest Mouse, the Shins, the Yeah Yeah Yeahs and Wilco selling hundreds of thousands of records, where a few years ago they would have -- optimistically -- sold 50 thousand?

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  96. Oh, P.S. by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 1

    The book also provided some background for the two main characters, for some of which the TV series provided only hints.

    I would like to see SciFi or BBCA show reruns of the series.
    (BBCA is currently rerunning "The Prisoner", so there's hope there, and Sci-Fi is rerunning "Lexx", and any channel that will rerun "Lexx" will rerun anything.)

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  97. Please learn how to make links. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Please learn how to make links.
    <a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nation world/2002052224_debatefox02.html">bogus article</a>
    (without any spaces put there by Slashdot) yields: bogus article

    If that's too much typing for you,
    <URL:http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationw orld/2002052224_debatefox02.html>
    (without any spaces put there by Slashdot) yields: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/ 2002052224_debatefox02.html
  98. What about me? by ElDuderino44137 · · Score: 1

    Hey ?!

    If authors post messages about their own work ... how will I ever get a post!?

    -- The Dude

  99. Detroit non-mainstream theaters by Strange_Attractor · · Score: 1

    Just a li'l nitpick - the Maple's in Birmingham, not Troy. I can't think of any alternative theater venues in Troy. Closest would be the 20+ years extinct Somerset Theater (I saw Stooges and Little Rascal midnite marathons there), but even that was a mainstream place.
    Actually, several places in the Detroit area do cover more indie fare - the Main in Royal Oak (fortunately, THE closest movie place to my house) is also in the Landmark chain now (bought up along with the Maple), there're a few screens at the new Birmingham theater, and there's always the Detroit Film Theater at the DIA (more than 25 years and going strong).

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  100. Very Good Article Mr. Anderson! by Blitzenn · · Score: 1

    I want to thank you for putting the economics of web driven e-commerce into focus for so many with your fabulous article. You obviously demonstrate a proficient grasp of the e-tailer situation and coupled with the insight you have on the industry you have put together a very enlightening article. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with me. I had not previous ever considered the perspective you note in your column and was quite pleased to learn about something I hadn't previously known.

  101. KISS by The+Queen · · Score: 1

    Totally OT but: I first saw KISS at the Coliseum, too, on the reunion tour. (I had flat-out refused to go see them without their makeup.) I was dressed as Ace, silver boots and all! Are you still around or have you since left Tidewater?

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    1. Re:KISS by sgant · · Score: 1

      No, this was many moons ago. I left the area (born and raised in Gloucester) in 1982. Lived in Chicago for quite a while before ending up over here in Michigan.

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    2. Re:KISS by The+Queen · · Score: 1

      AH, you got out when the getting was still good. The only thing at the Hampton Coliseum now is monster truck rallies - the roads suck worse than ever and there is little to no culture, other than military history.

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  102. Congratulations Chris by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 1

    This is a great article. Good job!

  103. Re:BS Is a stripper? by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

    Jeez, I didn't know that! How about some proof (in the form of lots of JPGs that will make it through my company's web "protection"). TIA.

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  104. People Who Bought This, Also Bought by ralphcringely · · Score: 1

    I'm looking forward to the Long Tail hitting video. "500 channels...and nothing's on" seems awfully close to the truth.

    A big part of the problem is connecting with what I like. Descriptions of shows are mostly inadequate. Word of mouth works intermittently. Shows I might like go by without me hearing of them.

    I agree 100% with Wired's Anderson that the recommendation feature is an essential part of the Long Tail phenomenon. I see it coming to my TV watching real soon. Now that half our homes have cable Internet or DSL, delivery of 2 minute to 2 hour videos over that medium to a set top box for viewing once delivery's done is now possible. Netflix, but with DSL/cable replacing the mail. The selection cam be broadened way way way out.

    Once downloads augment the broadcast & cable shows, and there's a decent recommendation feature to help me find shows matching my tastes, I'll tune out PBS documentaries paced for fifth graders and tune in to better fare. That's my hope.

    Building a good recommender has got to be an interesting job. How do you keep the different tastes of the different family members from muddying your data? What happens when a mother in law visits for two months and uses the system heavily? Do you isolate porn? Do you ask customers to say if they *like* what they downloaded?

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