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Olympus Preps MP3 Player With Cam & Color Display
igrp writes "Japan-based electronics manufacturer Olympus just announced their plans to enter the HD-based MP3 player market currenly dominated by Apple's iPod. What makes this stand out from all the other 'iPod killers' are their players' specs. Their top-of-the-line 'MR-500i' model sports a 1,22 MP camera, a 3.7" color touch screen VGA display with a slick-looking red backlight, JPEG support and according to this German newssite weighs in with a battery life of 8 hours. No word on prices and availability in the U.S. yet."
Useful for listening to tunes in the darkroom...
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So you can take a picture of yourself listening to music? I've never looked at my digital camera and thought "gee, I wish I could plug my headphones into that!".
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This product is going to be either hit or miss. The camera is only 1.2 mp, which isn't exactly fantastic. Let's hope that the music quality and features don't suck.
For the most part, I've found that separate devices for separate functions tend to be cheaper, smaller, and more effective. Imagine if you had to haul along your laptop, camera, and electric toothbrush if all you wanted to do was listen to some music.
I mean really, I was always waiting for the iPod photo, I probably would have bought one instead of my mini. Are you telling me you never had your iPod with you and said, wish I could get that on film? if Apple could get a 2MP camera onto the end of an iPod, throw in a colour display, and keep it simple they would sell very well. We all know it... least... we assume they would. Keeping in mind I said if Apple could do it, not if they just stuck one on the end, we have to keep in mind the fact that Apple kicks butt with design and thus it would actually be useful. I imagine an iPod sized device with a micro drive ala the mini and a 2MP camera would be a really good paring. That said iPhoto if it was ported to the PC would most likely be less feature rich, they'd probably sooner bundle some basic software with it.
1. Find hot girl
2. Ask hot girl to listen to song
3. Take picture of hot girl's boobies while she listens to music
4. Profit!
that would be this
i don't see frontpage posts about it though, perhaps they didnt pay the right people
Ah, the greatest electrical engineering principle of them all:
Low on features? Install a shitty camera.
On ANYTHING.
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Now how is your Japanese?!?
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This is on cnet.. has a bit of info about availability, etc. http://reviews.cnet.com/Olympus_M_robe_MR_500i__20 GB_/4505-6490_7-31149052-2.html?tag=tab
249 for the 100i
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499 for the 500i
http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1097689832
Comsidering this is from Olympus, I see this more as adding an MP3 player and hard drive to a digital camera...
Now I can have a digital camera in my cell phone, PDA, digital music player, underwear, toast, milk carton, and pencil.
We get the point, CCDs are cheap and small now. Isn't technology grand. Now stop shoving shit into places they shouldn't be.
Sure, you don't have to buy them all, and you can go for a model without a camera, but it seems that every 'high-end' gizmo that comes out has to have a camera onboard to sell, while at least for me, in none of these cases the camera is a reason to buy one.
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MP3 player + camera + color display. I think iRiver already did that.
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I'd say this is the closest to an iPod killer I've seen so far. It's not locked into WMA but can play them if you have DRMed WMAs.
Style is the killer part here... this thing just looks great. It easily competes with iPod on style... as llong as the UI is as easy to use as it looks...
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Because, if you're like most people, you carry your phone with you everywhere you go, and leave your digital camera behind - unless you know in advance that you'll need it.
I use the camera in my phone all the time for those times when I didn't know I'd need my camera with me (i.e., a co-worker falls asleep at his desk and starts drooling).
You need to shift paradigms and stop thinking of it as a full-feature camera being shoe-horned into a product and start thinking of it as the equivalent of those disposable cameras you can buy (because you forgot to bring your nice camera), only without having to buy anything...
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http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,53123,00 .asp
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The problem with sticking a digital camera on another consumer device (like a cell-phone or PDA or, in this case, a digital music player) is that you have to make the optics very small and fixed focus. Which means you'll never be able to get very good pictures out of it.
Did anyone else have their brain spontaneously go into Christopher Lowell mode when reading that press release?
With phrases like "The m:robe brand derives its name from the fact that m:robe products can be carried anywhere, anytime, allowing users to 'robe' themselves in their favorite music wherever they go." and "Their white signature color reflects the timeless beauty of white porcelainware, which, rather than making a strong style statement of its own, tends to draw attention to the beauty of the flowers or foods that it contains. In the same way, m:robe products are designed to be like 'white porcelain vessels' that enhance the beauty of the images and music they hold."
The fact the iPod is white is obviously a complete coincidence!
From press release: The information contained in this news release applies only to the Japanese market. /me packs his bags and heads for the airport...
Small disclaimer on the Olympus website:
The information contained in this news release applies only to the Japanese market.
This will probably go over big in Japan. CNET has an article about how gadget-hungry they are there.
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forget the shitty camera, what's the point of this? I don't buy the "cool looking" coment; I want my color displays to have white backlighting, not red. Why have a color display if the backlight is red?
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Smaller, cheaper
a 1.22 mp camera and a VGA screen don't kill the iPod, that is not what the iPod is for.
No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.
Until someone can come up with something equivalent of Click Wheel... Ipod has the best UI and it shows. When I'm running around with an MP3 player, I don't have time to use stylus to tap on the touchscreen nor do I have the patience to marvel at the color VGA screen in its full glory... just let me play music quickly and easily...
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..that mp3 players are also about style. Frankly this is the first mp3 player that I think has some level neatness, coolness and style to it to compete with ipod. Hope the usage is not clumsy.
Since every piece of electronic equipment i own is soon to have a shitty digital camera on it, can I combine them all and get like, one good digital camera somehow?
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I must genuinely be the only person on the planet who doesn't wander around going "Hey, wish I could get a photo of that". I carry a digital camera (a very small digital camera, I might add) to parties and events, and even then don't take that many photos, and it's not unusual for me not to take any.
considering how xD hasn't seen the popularity increase as the CF or the SD cards, shouldn't olympus make an conscious effort in trying to include that capability in their products? (sort of like sony putting in memorystick slots in everything they make - laptop, tv, camera, pda...)
i realize it's not that important to have an xD expansion slot when you got a large HD, but still...
Adding additional feature to a good product would be a good idea, which is what Apple is doing to the iPod now. Making it great at one thing, then slowly improve it.. Trying to stuff a camera, mp3 player and digital picture viewer together isn't going to threaten the stronghold iPod have. Unless it does both of them better then the iPod does. And with a 1.3mp camera.. don't think it will do much.
On the features page it says it has a high-capacity 20 Gb hard drive. Is this like Intel when they changed the name of their processors no non-techy people can tell the performance? If it had a 40 Gb hard drive would it be super high capacity?
if apple was once the dominating mp3 player but now on the decline, then your claim that apple is being stupidly stagnant holds water. however, they have been and still are dominating the mp3 player market...
More like a digital camera that can play MP3s.
A device that has more features that are unrelated to MP3 playing than the playing itself should exclude the device from the MP3-player group.
They should call it a multimedia device or some other buzzword so it isn't confused with an actual MP3 player.
My Rio Karma still trounces everything else, if for no other reason than the fact that it plays tracks back without the annoying gaps that every other player out there puts in. It's even smart enough to eliminate the tiny gaps that the mp3 format includes by default.
Show me any other player that can do gapless playback, and I'm there. Until then, I won't consider any DAP that doesn't play back music the way it was recorded.
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What is the maximum data rate it supports for JPEG playback, since most of my JPEGs are recorded at 320 kp/s (kilopixels/second.) I know that some JPEG players can't play back images that are recorded that quickly.
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
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A smaller or cheaper device doesn't kill the iPod because the iPod isn't successful because it's small and cheap.
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I guess you missed the recent slashdot post + discussion about having to smack the Rio Karma hard on a table every now and again to keep it going?
As I said, Apple isn't making poor business decisions, it's just unfortunate for the consumer that they leave out features. I also said the the iPod was overpriced *as compared to the rest of the market*... The average price of a player is much lower than that of the iPod. It's not a personal feeling that $300 (for the smallest model) is quite high, there are only a few other players that expensive. Most of the 20GB models from Creative, Archos, DI, Rio, Dell, Phillips, etc. are closer to $200. Just look at a relatively accurate list from Reseller Ratings, that's how it is.
Note, I'm not sure whether the MR-100 is smaller or cheaper than the iPod. It is however the smaller+cheaper of the two Olympus models.
What am I supposed to do with these images? 1.2Mp today is like including 8 track functionality or minidisc digital input on a stereo system . . .
I think I'd rather pay less and have a smaller device that didn't have substandard features included . . .
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It will be interesting to see how they will be marketed once this happens. Is it a camera with an mp3 player or vice versa?
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I looked at everything in the market trying to avoid buying an ipod and saving, ultimately, some 70 euros. Know what? It's a bargain at twice as much...
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Well, if the camera adds one ounce to the weight (could be low) and adds a measly $2.00 to the manufacturer's cost (I'm sure that's low) and sucks half an hour from the battery life, then I pay about $8 extra for a heavier, fatter box with shorter battery life. That's not free.
I guess there must be something wrong with me: I've never needed a crappy camera at work, and rarely needed one anywhere else, for that matter. I have three decent cameras, one mid-range digital and two older prosumer SLRs, and I use them quite a bit, so it isn't just a matter of not having the photo bug.
A usable digital camera has let me experiment with composition far more freely than I could afford to with film, but other than that, it really hasn't changed my life. I can't imagine that I'd ever willingly spend $5 extra to get a crappy digital in my walkman, of all places.
I guess the bright side of this is that not having a camera is a feature for me, and I bet I'll pay less for that extra feature.
See what I've been reading.
So is there that much of an advantage to using this for you shitty integrated needs?
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I agree, but this difference with this MP3 player is that most people who might have been interested in a mp3 player/camera combo probably already have a camera phone.
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Okay, I nominate the phrase "iPod Killer" for the most overused tech cliche of 2004. Any seconds?
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I still sortof swear with my Archos ; using it now for over a year, every week I record my mixing session(s) on it and it works perfectly. Sometimes I can rip a part of my mixes and works great.
.wav because of the encoder ; but isn't the CPU fast enough to use your own "encoder" for example in Rockbox? I am using Rockbox, only having 1 prob when recording long files in VBR they seem not to be able to be opened in Cooledit or Winamp.
There are currently not a lot of players on the market and easy to buy in Europe. Bought the FMR20 for 310euro and my soulmate bought one 2 months later a JBR20 for 299euro. They both work like a charm.
One had some probs in the beginning; I needed to revive it before it could be turned on. After a week it didn't show up the problems anymore and since then it works perfectly.
-slightly offtopic-
Now, What I like more, next to the 20gb (that will be extended to 60gb soon) is that it would record Wav. Which is also not possible with this device?
I also wonder why the Archos cannot record in CBR mode instead of VBR; It can't record to
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On the other hand, maybe they're going about this backwards. I think it would be pretty cool to have a digital camera that had some basic audio playback functions. Would that be more or less expensive to produce than an audio device with a cheapo camera built in?
If you take a look at the GUI you'll see that it's going to be challenging. Just like your typical VCR or digital camera...
The thing that makes the iPod so unique (and popular) is the simplicity. It's about having less, not more.
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This isn't an iPod killer. Every day, there is a new link on
These whiz-bang multi-feature devices are not going to kill the iPod. People bought into the iPod because it does one thing really well and has a good interface. Simplicity is key.
None of these flimsy plastic, rubber buttoned media players are going to create much of a following.
The only thing that will kill the iPod, is a mobile phone with 60GB HD, 2+ Megapixel camera, MP3/AAC/MWA/OGG playback, and hell, lets throw in an MP4/DiVX decoder as well. Show me that in a form factor of an iPod or less, and I'll hand over my first-born. Otherwise, STFU.
Come on, Olympus has it right on their news release:
Olympus Enters Portable HDD Music Player Market
With New m:robe Brand Products
It's Hard Disk Drive, HDD.
High Definition, HD.
My phone takes useless pictures. My camcorder takes horrible stills. My digital camera takes low-res video (but 5 MP pictures).
Isn't this why iPod (and Palm before them) did well? They concentrated on doing one thing well.
I use Macs to up my productivity, so up yours Microsoft!
A lot of times I've wanted an iPod and wanted a digital camera and wondered if there could be a way to use the harddisk in the iPod so I have a lot of storage space without carrying 2 hard disks everywhere. I think this is a good idea, I don't know if it's done well but if it is I'd buy one.
Without an address book or the ability to make phone calls.
Or GPRS.
Seems to me the difference between an MP3 player and a mobile phone is: Storage or phone gubbins.
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Nice. Yet another thing that's got a camera. Soon all my gadgets can play MP3 and take pictures. Camera on the Mobile (can allso play MP3, but low on storage), Camera on the Palm (can play MP3 but have little storage), Camera on the MP3 player (Yes, it do play MP3).
So let's scrap BlueTooth and put MP3 and Camera (and the next jippo thingy) into all the stuff we carry!!! That would be sweet......
Screw you guys, I'm going home....