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Mozilla Releases Firefox 1.0 RC1

islandroots writes "Mozilla has finally posted the first Firefox 1.0 release candidate on their FTP servers. This could very well be the last official release of Firefox before the big 1.0 launch date on November 9th. Mozilla FTP Servers"

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  1. Who will notice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    When we're all playing Halo 2 on November 9th! Pick another release date!

    1. Re:Who will notice? by tsager · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why not play Halo2 at one of the launch parties?
      http://www.openforce.at/mozparty2/

    2. Re:Who will notice? by klone0 · · Score: 3, Funny

      They did it to reduce the server load. :)

    3. Re:Who will notice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Who actually goes to a release party for a browser? Sounds like the same group of people that have fantasy battles with foam swords at my school . . .

    4. Re:Who will notice? by Archangel_Azazel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I for one will be trying hard to IGNORE the fact that it's 9/11 *AGAIN*. FYI, no I'm not a terrorist, yes I have a heart... but for GOD'S SAKE...it's been years...and if we really wanted to mourn we should also mourn for the thousands of innocent Iraqi's that have been killed because of W.

      A.A

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    5. Re:Who will notice? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think you're confused. The 9/11 which upsets people is the 9th of September. Americans write dates the wrong way around.

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    6. Re:Who will notice? by flatface · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Slashdot doesn't care. Post your problems on Bugzilla instead. More effective, too.

  2. Extensions by erick99 · · Score: 5, Informative

    After reading comments that indicate that your installed extensions will show up as incompatible with RC1, I think I'll wait. Apparently the browser has to automatically consider extensions as incompatible until authors check them or something along those lines.

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    1. Re:Extensions by mosschops · · Score: 5, Informative
      How about after setting:
      extensions.disabledObsolete = false
      in about:config ?

      Since there's a good chance extensions that worked under 1.0PR will be fine in 1.0 RC1.
    2. Re:Extensions by slavik1337 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      At least this is a better way to catch incompatabilities. *cough* SP2 *cough*

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    3. Re:Extensions by silverfuck · · Score: 4, Informative

      I did this to get all my extensions working with one of the recent nightlies (think it was 20041026 or 20041022), and it's fine with RC1 too:

      1. Exit FF
      2. Open your extensions.rdf, held in 'extensions' under your profile directory.
      3. For each extension, change the "em:maxVersion" entry to "1.0" (from "0.10" or whatever).
      4. Save, open Firefox again, and re-enable all your extensions.

      Worked flawlessly here (on about a dozen extensions), and should work for pretty much any extension, as there were no major changes from PR to RC1, it's mostly bugfixes (except for the single window mode, obviously don't re-enable Aaron Spuler's Single Window extension).

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    4. Re:Extensions by Angafirith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I only have one extension. The one that came with it, the "DOM Inspector".

      Firefox still works perfectly for me. It's not useless at all.

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    5. Re:Extensions by jez9999 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How about the ability to sort bookmarks alphabetically? The ability to make the browser popup ALT attributes for images? The ability to copy images directly into the clipboard? The ability to switch user-agent on the fly? The ability to download with software other than the browser?

      There are a ton of extensions I use. How can you proclaim a browser's strength as its extensibility, and then have this 'don't use extensions' nonsense every time you upgrade version?

    6. Re:Extensions by aldoman · · Score: 2, Informative

      It will automatically upgrade your extensions in the background for you when newversions are released.

    7. Re:Extensions by mosschops · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How about making the browser more user-friendly and not requiring archaic commands in about:config?

      Unfortunately, backwards compatability can't always be guaranteed, particularly in applications under rapid development like Firefox.

      Refusing to use potentially incompatible components is the most user-friendly solution. I'd rather it did that than misbehave and potentially crash! about:config is not meant for the average user, but as a handy direct approach for power users (makes a change from editing config files, like I do in Opera).

      I do still hope that things settle enough after 1.0 that extensions won't be invalidated on every minor update...

    8. Re:Extensions by Archangel_Azazel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      --When routine upgrades break things, they are going to label it a piece of shit and never use it again.--

      You sir MUST be new to computers. Mosey over to microsoft.com and see just how many fixes there are for their pos SP's that BREAK ALL KINDS OF SHIT. Oh, and last I checked....lots of people have labeled Windows a "Piece of shit" and they use it all the time.

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    9. Re:Extensions by Proteus · · Score: 4, Insightful
      There are a ton of extensions I use. How can you proclaim a browser's strength as its extensibility, and then have this 'don't use extensions' nonsense every time you upgrade version?
      Firefox has been Beta, and still is. You can expect better consistency between production-release versions, but expecting that fixing bugs and refining the codebase will never break outside applications (extensions) is insanity.
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    10. Re:Extensions by SenseiLeNoir · · Score: 2, Insightful

      dont change this. its better to do it one by one, or get new versions.

      there WILL be extensions with a minimum "version" of 1.0, and this hack will break those extensions.

      or if you have an extention that does:
      if (application.extensions.version 1.0) // do pre 1.0 code
      else // do post 1.0 code

      you will end up in big trouble.

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    11. Re:Extensions by ToLu+the+Happy+Furby · · Score: 3, Informative
      How can you proclaim a browser's strength as its extensibility, and then have this 'don't use extensions' nonsense every time you upgrade version?


      Becasue this is a testing release only. Users are encouraged to download RC1 only if they are willing to file bugs; normal end users are supposed to stay with 1.0 PR until 1.0 final is available.

      That's why this story needed to provide an FTP link to RC1--it's not available via the mozilla.org web page or the Firefox autoupdate. The next couple weeks between RC1 and final are intended to allow extension authors to certify compatability and/or make needed changes. Then when 1.0 final hits, autoupdate should upgrade 1.0 PR users and their extensions automagically.
    12. Re:Extensions by FuzzyBad-Mofo · · Score: 2, Informative

      This site has some great extensions which aren't on update.mozilla.org for some reason. I find the following extensions from this site very useful:

      Allow Right-Click
      Alt-Text for Links
      Always Remember Password
      BugMeNot
      Ext2Abc

      Also look for their developers guide to writing extensions, it's good stuff.

    13. Re:Extensions by smc13 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Firefox has been Beta, and still is."

      RC stands for release candidate, right? This is supposed to mean that it isn't in beta, most of its bugs are fixed, and they are doing final tests to make sure everything works. One of the RC releases will end up as the final release, right?

      Shouldn't the release candidates have consistency?

      Steve Cohen

    14. Re:Extensions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Then don't try to push beta software down my throat. Don't start this campaign to get 1 million downloads for a preview release. I bet no one told their friends & family that when they download Firefox, they were downloading beta software. Oh yeah, and don't bitch when companies aren't adopting Firefox. Save all this for the 1.0 release.

    15. Re:Extensions by jallison · · Score: 2, Interesting
      AC wrote How about making the browser more user-friendly and not requiring archaic commands in about:config?

      And mosschops responded Unfortunately, backwards compatability can't always be guaranteed, particularly in applications under rapid development like Firefox.

      Both true, but unrelated. I can't really expect beta software to be backward compatible from release to release. I do expect released software to be backward compatible, and hopefuly FF will figure this out from 1.0 on.

      As for the about:config stuff, couldn't agree more. It's OK for truly obscure stuff to be buried in there, but it's an interface that shouldn't be required for the vast majority of users. Expose those things in a proper configuration screen!

      I've been using FF for a while now and my biggest gripe is around the tabbed browsing. Tabbed browsing is a wonderful thing, but FF doesn't take true advantage of it without the tabbed browsing extension. And if extensions break when you upgrade the browser, that's a drag. I'll certainly withhold judgement on FF until after the formal 1.0 release, which I'm hoping is an improvement over the PR. If it's not I'll stick with Mozilla, but I fear that'll become a backwater.

    16. Re:Extensions by jez9999 · · Score: 2

      Heh, this one always gets raised. I know full well that it's not meant to happen in the standards. People don't always code websites correctly to standards - I WANT the ALT text to popup, for me personally. Frankly, it seems more sensible to have the same popup text as ALT text. Half the work, and why should the two be any different? I really don't see many cases where they should be.

      Besides, if Firefox adhered this religiously to other HTML standards, most websites wouldn't render properly on it.

    17. Re:Extensions by Proteus · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Shouldn't the release candidates have consistency?
      Yes, but this is RC1. It should have consistency between it and RC2, but not for 0.10 (aka 1.0 PR, a bad naming if I've ever seen one).

      There is no guarantee that a Release Candidate will be compatible with the previous testing version, only with future RC's in the same tree.
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    18. Re:Extensions by Mornelithe · · Score: 2

      Are people putting a gun to your head and forcing you to run firefox? Maybe you should call the police, if you can reach the phone.

      Firefox is beta software, so it breaks some stuff between versions. Unfortunately, it's also better than the 6th revision of the competitor with 80 - 90% marketshare.

      If anyone's pushing firefox down your throat, it's Microsoft. Give them a call and tell them to get their act together. Bitching at people here does nothing.

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  3. Should I just wait? by Dante+Shamest · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How different is this from my Preview Release? Should I download it? Or just wait until Nov 9th?

    1. Re:Should I just wait? by tsager · · Score: 5, Informative

      The (rough) changelog is here:
      http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/qa/ changel og-rc1.html

    2. Re:Should I just wait? by plj · · Score: 5, Informative

      From MozillaZine:

      Asa Dotzler writes: "Today we have our first Firefox 1.0 candidate builds available for testing. You can get these test builds from FTP. If you've already downloaded 1.0 PR (the "feature complete" preview) and you're not really interested in testing and bug reporting, then you should probably stick with 1.0 PR for a couple more weeks and upgrade when we release the official Firefox 1.0.

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    3. Re:Should I just wait? by peterprior · · Score: 4, Informative

      Correct url without space and clicky for lazy people is here

    4. Re:Should I just wait? by Jugalator · · Score: 4, Informative

      How different is this from my Preview Release? Should I download it? Or just wait until Nov 9th?

      Among the largest changes are:

      - Tabbed browsing preferences, see "Advanced" panel in Options.
      - Several bug fixes to the new find toolbar.
      - Browser migration improvements.
      - Security fixes, such as an important fix to the problem with inactive tabs able to grab input focus.
      - Maybe a dozen crash fixes, some being among the most commonly reported crashes.

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    5. Re:Should I just wait? by Tribbin · · Score: 2, Informative

      I see you can start a new instance of the Mozilla window without the profile window popping up in linux. Finally!

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  4. First Post by goldsounds · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... with Firefox 1.0 RC1 It counts for something, doesn't it?

  5. Java Update Bug by DrunkenTerror · · Score: 4, Informative

    Be aware, there's some sort of Java bug with the application update mechanism. There is a bit of a thread here.

    1. Re:Java Update Bug by barcodez · · Score: 3, Informative

      Solution is to uninstall your old version before installing the new one. This process will keep all your profile information and so on so it's not too much of a drag. It only effects the 1.4 JRE too so you could just upgrade to the 1.5^H^H^H5.0 JRE

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    2. Re:Java Update Bug by Hulfs · · Score: 2

      Since installing PR1 I've used the updater to update all my extensions, themes and also to load some plugins. It's actually worked quite well and is a nice time saver. The only problem I had with it wasn't actually a problem with the updater but a problem with update.mozilla.org not having the newest version of an extension available even though the newest version was listed on the site. BTW, Hey Jeff.

  6. Gonna wait by JasonEngel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've used each version of Firefox (or whatever their earlier names were) since 0.7. I am on PR1 now, or whatever the version label is. Oddly, I feel compelled to wait and not try this release candidate. I know the date of the planned 1.0 release and for some reason knowing that has me thinking it's perfectly ok to wait until then.

    1. Re:Gonna wait by ViolentGreen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, I'm still on the last .9x release. I figure that since the official release will be soon, I don't want to risk breaking what I have now. In addition, I don't want to go about updating the extensions just to do it in another week.

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  7. Of course they did. by base3 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I just installed 1.0PR and got everything just the way I wanted it, including a recalcitrant Java terminal emulator working. Ah, well, price of progress, and off I go to do it all again!

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  8. Will it support by pommiekiwifruit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    this dodgy website. I am using 1.0 RC1 at the moment and it often renders this site very badly, hiding the text in negative-X land. Perhaps I should have stuck to internet explorer, which this site is obviously designed for.

    1. Re:Will it support by barcodez · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's really annoying I know. A workaround is to do ctrl++ then ctrl+-. So control and the plus key followed by control and the minus key.

      I never gotta the bottom of whether it's ./ or FF fault. Anyone know?

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    2. Re:Will it support by Edgewize · · Score: 5, Informative

      Here is a short javascript bookmarklet that fixes table rendering. To prevent Slashcode from mangling it, I've inserted some linebreaks. Condense it back into one line and then use it as a bookmarked URL; whenever you select it, it will fix all of the incremental-display bugs on the current page.

      javascript:(function(){
      var s=document.body.style;
      var x=s.display;
      s.display='none';
      s.display=x;
      })( )

    3. Re:Will it support by tsager · · Score: 5, Informative

      The bug is fixed in trunk. But unfortunately the fix won't make it for Firefox 1.0 as the merge of the two source trees will only be made after release (due to need of excessive regression testing).
      Bug about the issue is here:
      https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?i d=21752 7#c108

    4. Re:Will it support by eyeye · · Score: 4, Insightful

      More annoying is slashdots multiple comment pages.

      Does anyone read past the first page - the following pages contain mostly comments you've already read.

      Or has it been fixed now?

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    5. Re:Will it support by Jugalator · · Score: 5, Informative

      this dodgy website [slashdot.org]. I am using 1.0 RC1 at the moment and it often renders this site very badly, hiding the text in negative-X land.

      Fixed in the trunk builds, and will therefore be in all Firefox versions after Firefox 1.0 Final.
      This is Bugzilla bug #217527.

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    6. Re:Will it support by koi88 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I never gotta the bottom of whether it's ./ or FF fault. Anyone know?

      How dare you. It's never Mozilla's, FF's or slashdot's fault. Stick to the usual suspects, please:
      • Microsoft
      • George Lucas
      • patent attorneys
      • SCO
      So if you run Windows, it must be Microsoft's fault, if you run Linux, it's SCO's fault (the code I borrowed from them is incredibly buggy).
      If you use BSD, it's because BSD is dying.
      If you use Max OS X, either George Lucas' ruined it or some patent attorney is to blame (I'm not sure on the last one).
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    7. Re:Will it support by POWRSURG · · Score: 2, Informative

      Informative?

      I think the poster is making a joke here. Slashdot's HTML is neither valid 3.2 or 4.01 even with the DOCTYPE declarations. Not.by.a.long.shot. In fact, /. has gone through the effort of preventing users from sending their site to the W3C validator (unless some mirror is used)....

    8. Re:Will it support by roman_mir · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The /. editors rightfully decided that on this site noone cares to read late posts, with the stories being posted so quickly. This site is obviously designed/managed for people with very very short attention spans who cannot stay on a discussion for more than 30 odd minutes and who are not very good at following threads of discussion.

      Note that I did not say the following: people coming here have ver very short attention spans and cannot stay on a discussion for more than 30 odd minutes and are not very good at following threads of discussion. (But I do think that moderation points are quite often given out to those special folks.)

    9. Re:Will it support by vasqzr · · Score: 2, Informative


      Alternatively, I just hold ctrl and scroll the mouse up, then down really quick.

      Otherwise, you get this: click

    10. Re:Will it support by BandwidthHog · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've always longed for the option to have previously read comments either grayed out or hidden. As it is, I mainly read articles days after they're posted; if I read them when they're fresh, it's too tedious to read through again to see what was added later. So yes, one vote of interest.

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    11. Re:Will it support by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Its a shame the poster was AC.

      Hes got a damned good point. I would personally like to see some options for highlighting recent comments and reducing the font for older ones.
      I dont think however we can work it based on whether we have displayed them before.
      Theres been lots of occasions where I have closed the page of comments without reading every one, then later going back to read the rest.

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  9. How about a pointer to a changelog? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Although it's nice to have an announcement on slash, it would also be nice to have a pointer IN the article to a changelog which would give me reasons to upgrade from "Pre-Release" to "Release Candidate"

    Why?

    1. Re:How about a pointer to a changelog? by phreakv6 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here is the changelog with around 250 bugs which were fixed

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  10. I'm running it from debian unstable by da5idnetlimit.com · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041026 "

    and you are right, some extensions don't work anymore (I had "browsertime" not working), but all the others I use seem fine (download manager tweak, translation panel, user agent switcher, dictionnary search)

    On the other hand, so many things that were working only so and so are now working again ..(search the web is one, opening an url you highlighted in a new tab is another...)

    So if you are not THAT dependant on ALL your extensions give it a try... also that way you can mail your extension wrtiter and get them/help them to fix that compatibility problem...

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    1. Re:I'm running it from debian unstable by pipingguy · · Score: 4, Funny


      ...dictionnary search.

      That was funny.

      Firefox still sometimes effs up Slashdot's rendering. Or is it the other way around?

    2. Re:I'm running it from debian unstable by MindStalker · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think the problem is that slashdot is using non standard code. But that does constantly amaze me that one of the main supporters of mozilla (and its brothern all of which render the same) doesn't render properly in mozilla. WHATS UP WITH THAT?! :)

    3. Re:I'm running it from debian unstable by thakadu · · Score: 2, Informative

      >Firefox still sometimes effs up Slashdot's rendering. Or is it the other way around? Sorry if this is old news but I find that whenever Slashdot rendering is screwy I just hit Ctrl-+ (Increase font size) and this has always fixed it fo r me. But it still is annoying.

    4. Re:I'm running it from debian unstable by saintlupus · · Score: 2, Informative

      Firefox still sometimes effs up Slashdot's rendering. Or is it the other way around?

      Oddly, I've never seen that rendering bug under Linux/PPC. I run Debian on a Powerbook, and it works fine.

      I used a machine at work with Firefox on Windows, and that's when I found out what you've all been carping about.

      --saint

  11. Re:Frist Prost? by bankman · · Score: 2, Informative

    It was quite disturbing: When I had a site open in one window, which would open new windows through java script, everything worked until I had a second window open (with a couple of tabs). When clicking on a java script link to open a picture, for example, firefox would segfault. This is on Linux, and I couldn't remedy this with a new profile.

    I have been using 0.9.3 since then.

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  12. Not truly a "release candidate" by Edgewize · · Score: 4, Informative

    This "release candidate" is really just an interim release between 1.0PR and 1.0 final. The Firefox team knows that there are still significant bugs that must be addressed before 1.0-final. See The Burning Edge for a small taste of what's been fixed since 1.0PR, and what is still left to do.

    A word of caution: there will be significant bugfixes between now and the final release, but there may or may not be automatic update notifications. If you decide to install this on the computers of your friends and family, make sure to upgrade them again later ;)

  13. Actually, we're already playing the French version by scarolan · · Score: 2, Funny

    In the French version of Halo 2, your main weapons are a very hard baguette and a big white flag.

    Thanks, I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waiter.

  14. MOOX builds of Firefox RC1 by EvilMonkeySlayer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    See http://www.moox.ws/tech/mozilla/
    It's firefox and Thunderbird compiled specifically for processor architectures. (they have slightly better performance than normal Firefox)

  15. what does this mean? by nighty5 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Its a bug release - ala no new features.

    Keep those bug reports coming!

    "This is a rough changelog for the RC-1 release. It's probably got a few bugs on it that aren't actually fixed and it's certainly missing a few bugs that were fixed, but it should give you a pretty good idea about most of the 250 or so bugs we've fixed since the Preview Release."

  16. Actually, the French already HAVE halo2 by koi88 · · Score: 5, Funny


    ...if I remember a previous story on slashdot...

    And don't underestimate the power of a hard baguette.

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  17. Re:Security still an issue! by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Thing is, this is a GOOD THING (TM). The Mozilla foundation is trying to weed out the bugs now, the security bug hunting contest, etc should ring a bell . They fixed more than 250 bugs, blocking the 1.0final. Its better to make things work now, than to break things later. Anyway the NYT ad is about FF 1.0 FINAL, which should not have any serious security problems (look at the Burning Edge for bugfixes. There are other reasons that why IE shouldnt be compared to FF aswell, including M$ policy about what is considered a "vulnerability" and a "security issue" and that IE is not actively developed now for four(!!!) years. Its quite bad that there are serious bugs in IE at all(!!), remember they had four years to weed those out. Just my $0.05 :)

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  18. Love Firefox, hate extension system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I really enjoy using Firefox, it's a real breath of fresh air after years of IE window opening, cluttering the taskbar and having to deal with popups wasting my time. The only beef I have is the extension system, why is it organised that way?

    Extensions

    Are difficult to install for my family, who simply don't understand or trust the process.

    Often incompatible with latest releases, preventing me from upgrading for months

    Incomaptible with each other

    Can cause problems EVEN if deemed "compatible", and often even uninstall fo extension does nothing! Have to reinstall fire*! This is my biggest annoyance, Adblock broke the downloading progress bar, then tabbrowser extensions ruined my cookies settings. All too often I feel like the extensions are like a house of cards piled up, and I'm hesitatant to even install a new theme in case they all fall over and I have to install them all over again, fingers crossed.

    Really, the whole extensions system is a mass of incompatabilities, conflicting requirements, errors and security dubious sources. I'd prefer any bloat to that!

    1. Re:Love Firefox, hate extension system by hkmwbz · · Score: 3, Informative
      " really enjoy using Firefox, it's a real breath of fresh air after years of IE window opening, cluttering the taskbar and having to deal with popups wasting my time."
      Cluttered Windows task bar, yes. However IE with Windows XP Service Pack 2 does block popups.
      "Are difficult to install for my family, who simply don't understand or trust the process."
      While security concerns could be justified, does your family really need extensions? And if they do, can't you help them?
      "Often incompatible with latest releases, preventing me from upgrading for months"
      Firefox isn't out as a finished product yet. As far as I know, the extension system will be frozen with 1.0, and from then on, there won't be any incompatibilities. The incompatibilities have been a result of changes, and the changes a result of Firefox's unfinished state.
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  19. Re:Security still an issue! by rdc_uk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ask yourself these 2 questions about FF and then IE...

    How many times have you heard (directly) of someone's machine being infested with 'sploits and spyware through that browser?

    How many times have YOU found something slightly suspicious on your machine due to that browser?

    Which browser came out as "less secure"?

    Security flaws are One Thing, actual in-use live exploits of vulnerabilities are Quite Another.

    Plus;
    get FF backdoored, browser fucked.
    get IE backdoored, COMPUTER fucked.

  20. Potential security problem with extensions? by hkmwbz · · Score: 5, Insightful
    A discussion in the MozillaZine forums raises an important point about potential security problems when using extensions.
    "What happens when one of those authors goes bad? We are so used to installing these extensions we really never give it a second thought, especially upgrades. verson 0.5 of ACME extension does what we want so yea lets install 0.6 clickerty click. We probably install more extensions than we ever clicked "YES I WANT A DIALER" button in IE. Isnt this a huge community driven security risk."

    In a nutshell, one is worried that the UMO (update.mozilla.org) staff does not have the resources to properly scan all extensions and extension updates for malicious code. And even if you do check the extension when submitted, the author may add an update later with malicious code, and then Firefox installations all over the world may get infected.

    Currently, they may be able to handle the task, but if Firefox manages to gain even more popularity, one can probably expect even more submitted extensions, and with a larger user base, it becomes a tempting target for crackers.

    Fortunately, the discussion in the MozillaZine forums seems to result in a lot of nice ideas about how one can handle this, but it might still be something one needs to keep in mind.

    It would be sad if Firefox was hit by security problems with extensions similar to how ActiveX has been a problem in Internet Explorer.

    Perhaps Firefox's growing popularity will lead to more donations, of which some money can be used to hire staff to really make sure that UMO is not used as a tool to spread malware?

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  21. Re:Mozilla 1.? by mcsmurf · · Score: 2, Informative

    Firefox until 1.0 (after that version it will change) is based on a spinoff of the 1.7 branch. In this branch (called aviary branch) they ported in some fixes from the trunk and also some from 1.7 branch.

  22. I don't get it, what is so great about FireFox? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
    Firefox (or Phoenix or Firebird) was originally started as a lightweight web browser, presumably in response to concerns about what I'll call proper Mozilla (i.e. the suite) bloat.

    It now seems to implement everything that the Mozilla Browser does, and I don't really find it any faster than the Mozilla Suite, and I like the integrated mail client (which has great search, spam filtering and other facilities).

    Some people object to using the suite if they don't use the mail client, but really, come on, it's taking up only a few MB on your hard disk. Get over it!

    If you do use the associated Thunderbird mail client then you're actually using more memory as the GRE (Gecko Runtime Environment) is not yet sharable between different processes.

    Plans like putting a full page ad in the New York Times for FireFox seem a bit crazy to me. What about the mail client, IRC client and forthcoming calendar? Advertise once there's a whole suite, and even then not in newspapers!

    1. Re:I don't get it, what is so great about FireFox? by Kippesoep · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I'd mod you up "Insightful" if I had the points.

      Being a longtime user of MozSuite, I've often wondered what the hype is about FF. I don't care about the mail and IRC clients etc, just the browser.

      There's some stuff in MozSuite that I have missed in FF:
      • Ctrl-click to open in new tab (no middle mouse button on my touchpad)
      • "Open URL" box (I have location-bar-o-phobia, an irrational fear of entering URLs through the location bar)
      • A proper window icon (yeah, I know I can put one in myself, but most novice users will find themselves staring at the frelling MS Windows logo!)
      And some good stuff in FF:
      • Displaying the server name in the context menu when blocking images.
      • Ability to set a standard download folder.
      Most of that is pretty trivial. Startup time isn't bad for either browser. (I don't use the MozSuite preloading option) and I can't say either one is noticeably faster than the other in use.

      Of course, switching from IE to FF or MozSuite is a no-brainer, but what would convince a MozSuite user to switch to FF? Personally, I don't see the need and think it's rather sad that all the users' and developers' attention seems to go to FF.
    2. Re:I don't get it, what is so great about FireFox? by Darkness+Productions · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The point, unless I am mistaken, is to get people to switch away from IE. Does IE have a built in mail reader, irc client, calendar app? No. It's a browser vs browser war. Granted, there are mail readers (OE), etc, but those aren't what the Mozilla/Firefox guys are fighting against.

  23. Testing release... by ganiman · · Score: 5, Informative

    Right off of the spreadfirefox.com website:

    a note to SFX community: This is a testing release. This is not a product release. We're not pushing this release on our PR users. The majority of PR users should stick with PR until 1.0 ships. This is a testing release and we don't need everyone downloading it, just the folks that want to be involved with testing and bug reporting. Please don't evangelize this release or start pushing all your friends and family to upgrade. Most of them should wait until 1.0 in about two weeks.

    Tsk, tsk, tsk. Because someone trolls the web all night waiting for Mozilla to release another version of Firefox, they get rewarded with their in lights on the front page of slashdot. Did you wonder why it's only on the FTP server and not advertised on the web site?

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    1. Re:Testing release... by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 2, Informative

      The thing is, this release isn't even a proper release candidate as the maintainer of Burning Edge noted, thus even the title is flawed...

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  24. I wish it had SVG support. by LordJezo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My company portal uses SVG graphics and no matter what I do I cannot get Firefox/Mozilla to view them.

    Sort of makes it useless for me on a coorprate level and that makes me very sad.

    1. Re:I wish it had SVG support. by beattie · · Score: 2, Informative

      I just installed Firefox without any special consideration and I am able to see svg images just fine.

  25. What about those potetntial vulnerabilities ? by LJPeixoto · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What about those potential vulnerabilities discovered by Michael Zalewski ? Are they fixed ?
    Thats something very important IMHO.
    Each one of them is one potential exploit waiting some malicious hacker.
    I believe all of them should be fixed before the 1.0 release, which should be considered stable, and doesnt have the benefit of the "pre-1.0" excuse.

    1. Re:What about those potetntial vulnerabilities ? by mallumax · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes they seem to be fixed.
      http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/qa /changel og-rc1.html

      This is the relevant entry in bugzilla.
      https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.c gi?id=26495 6

      Also focus stealing has been fixed
      https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?i d=12475 0

  26. Still uploading. by xabi · · Score: 2, Informative

    They are still uploading more local versions.

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  27. I like Mozilla better by contrapuntalmindset · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Things Firefox does differently or does not have that Mozilla does (from my experience): * Bookmarking groups of tabs and then opening them all with a single click - Mozilla yes, Firefox no. * Opening new blank tabs with a button - Mozilla yes, Firefox no. To me these are features I use very often and that I can't use in Firefox. I hope they continue Mozilla. Thanks for listening.

    1. Re:I like Mozilla better by binux · · Score: 3, Informative

      When did you last try FireFox?
      Both features are there in 0.10.1.

    2. Re:I like Mozilla better by theCAS · · Score: 2, Informative
      Can't have firefox open on a blank page and have a "home page". This is handy in mozilla as a quick way to get to your favorite site (Home Key).
      1) Type about:config in the url bar
      2) search for browser.startup.page
      3) set it to 0
      4) done.
    3. Re:I like Mozilla better by _marshall · · Score: 3, Informative

      The "New Tab" button is there in firefox, it just doesn't show on the default installation. If you right click on the button toolbar and click "Customize" you should see the New Tab button in there. Drag it into the toolbar and voila :)

  28. Hey guys, things are looking up! by Loco3KGT · · Score: 4, Informative

    I thought this was super neat. I went to Dodge's website - www.4adodge.com and started to price/build a new car. I got a popup saying "Your browser is not officially supported." Before I started cussing like a sailor I continued reading and it say "If you would like to continue, press OK. Otherwise, press cancel." I couldn't believe. Someone had the state of mind to let me keep going at my own risk. It was unbelievable.

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  29. Re:UI bugs by masklinn · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Seeing as firefox is a windows app mainly they should at least make the GUI work the same way as the Windows GUI.
    I quite fail to see how Firefox is a "windows app mainly", one of it's goals is not to be platform specific in any way.
    Take the drop down box's, click on the arrow to drop down, click on the arrow again and the box *should* dissapear. But in firefox it doesn't?!
    What box are you talking about? Cause all my dropdown boxes (be them in the UI or HTML select boxes) do work that way: you clic on arrow the meny pops, you clic it again the menu poofs
    and double click, or tripple click on text in the browser window does different stuff to IE.
    One of Firefox' specifics is: if it's not innate, check the extensions. In that very case, you should try http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php? id=333&vid=997
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  30. Upgrade Problem by alatesystems · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I upgraded just now (win32), and now my home button doesn't work. It totally ignores it. When I middle click on the home button, it _DOES_ open home in a new tab. This is really odd.

    Has anyone else had this problem?

  31. Re:Actually, we're already playing the French vers by Dot.Com.CEO · · Score: 5, Informative

    There was this little thing called "resistence" that the French had. You know, they were actively fighting against the armies occupying their soil and helping UK and allied troops with intelligence on how to hurt the Germans. They also forced the Germans to have a very large military presence in France in order to keep the peace....

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  32. it really fixes bugs by b100dian · · Score: 2, Informative

    remember "IE Shines on broken html" article the other week? Test these:http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/mangleme/gallery/ on firefox rc1: they're already fixed
    Actually the whole release may just be fixing bugs( and changed the icon on live bookmarks:p )

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  33. Re:Actually, we're already playing the French vers by kid_wonder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First, I am an American.

    if the other Allies hadn't "rescued" France during WWII, they most certainly would have lost everything.

    You know, there was this little thing called the revolutionary war, and if the French hadn't "rescued" us we'd all be eating fish & chips and biscuits.

    Get some perspective, and a bit of an education before you blurt out lines you've heard other idiots use.

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  34. Re:Tried 4 times by tetromino · · Score: 2, Informative

    Works perfectly here - Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041027 Firefox/0.10.1

    I am using the plugin from Gnome's librsvg-2.8.1 (/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libmozsvgdec.so)

  35. AMD64 Suport? by VivianC · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Since I am not a coder, does anyone know if there will be a 64-bit build of Firefox? I'd like to use it on my 64-bit XP Beta machine.

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    1. Re:AMD64 Suport? by CumInHerTaco · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Moox builds are compiled for many specific processors, including Athlon64.

      Definately improved performance on my P3 laptop!

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  36. How good is the Thunderbird mail client? by HouseOfMisterE · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I was a big user of Netscape Navigator's web browser and email clients, but switched over to Mozilla when it went gold. I've tried Firefox a few times, but it doesn't have a mail client and therefore doesn't fulfill my needs. How is Thunderbird? I don't really want to change over to a pre-1.0 release unless someone can convince me that it is prety darn stable and feature-complete.

    1. Re:How good is the Thunderbird mail client? by gral · · Score: 2, Informative

      For me, it has been rock solid for the past 7 months. I have been using it exclusively as my Mail Client at work, with an IMAP email store.

      I have upwards of 100-500 emails a day that I go through with it.

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    2. Re:How good is the Thunderbird mail client? by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't really want to change over to a pre-1.0 release unless someone can convince me that it is prety darn stable and feature-complete
      You do realize that these are two separate questions and have two completely different answers.
      Stability: objective measurement of how many crashes and lockups you typically have. From what I hear, Thunderbird is pretty solid
      Feature complete: subjective, does it fit my model of what a mail client should look like and do. You can't ask anyone this, you have to try for yourself. If you have an IMAP mail account, you can test it without disrupting your current mail workflow too much

  37. Re:Mozilla/Firefox Slashdot bug by br0ck · · Score: 2, Informative

    https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21752 7

    Not linked, because bugzilla disallows slashdot as a referrer. If you read the comments, they had a fix, but the fix broke a bunch of other sites. This blog post sums things up pretty well too.

  38. Re:Security still an issue! by polyp2000 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    there have been _MORE_ vulnerabilities in Firefox than IE in the last six months!

    Whether thats true or not is open but; two points -

    1) firefox hasnt officially released to the public yet its close Thats what the RC1 (release candidate) every one that is using firefox right now is a potential tester/bug reporter; if you find a problem with Firefox and you are a good citizen you should let them know via the bug tracking system.

    2) The fact that you are seeing all these bugs being found should inspire confidence that the firefox team and testers are doing a good job in weeding them out.

    When Firefox is officially released - after the RC stage. Then you can start getting worried about people finding bugs. Its enevitable that will happen but by the looks of things they are doing a damn good job of getting them out now, so when Firefox 1.0 Final comes out you should be in good hands.

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  39. Security issue by tepples · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Refusing to use potentially incompatible components is the most user-friendly solution.

    It also encourages users to stick with old versions with known security holes because they work with an old extension that hasn't since been updated.

  40. Re:Mozilla/Firefox Slashdot bug by ToLu+the+Happy+Furby · · Score: 3, Informative

    217527.

    It's fixed in the trunk, but will not be fixed in the FF 1.0 branch because the current patch caused too many regressions and would require a serious QA effort to track them all down.

    Feel free to vote for it, but it's way too late to make it into FF 1.0. Besides, it's already recognized as a high-priority bug. If you really want to help move this into Firefox as quickly as possible, download a trunk build and isolate test cases for regressions.

  41. is it just me or.... by xot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I use v0.9.3 of firefox on one machine and the 1.0rc on my other machine.both the machines have exactly the same config, the are both hp ,same models bought on the same day.But the one with 0.9.3 performs really well.The new version keeps hanging n crashing after a few hours of use n abuse.
    have you guys experience a decrease in speed of the later version?

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  42. Here's an idea by British · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Maybe make a Firefox/Mozilla SDK for sites that are IE-only Firefox friendly? that should help propagation.

  43. Re:Zalewski bugs? by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, shortly, yes.

    The long answer is: the bug is marked "blocking-aviary1.0", which means 1.0 cannot be released until this bug is not fixed. The bug depends on these unfixed bugs, which means the bug cannot be called "fixed" until all of these bugs are not fixed. UNfixed bugs atm in the dependency: 265027 265067 265736 265846 265867 265899 265902 265973 265999 266015.

    Although all this info could be determined from the original bugreport.

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  44. Pop up blocker broken by Espectr0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Some sites are now doing something different with the popups, that fools every pop up blocker out there.

    Try http://astalavista.box.sk/ for a sample

  45. Re:Actually, we're already playing the French vers by legojenn · · Score: 2, Funny
    You know, there was this little thing called the revolutionary war, and if the French hadn't "rescued" us we'd all be eating fish & chips and biscuits.

    You say that like it's a bad thing.....

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  46. Re:Actually, we're already playing the French vers by useosx · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not to mention helping the U.S. win the American Revolution.

  47. Re:not in 1.0pr by Espectr0 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Does on mine, but i noticed the popup is made in flash, which you may not have installed, or maybe are using the click flash to view extension or something like that.

    Popups in flash... The future

  48. Re:Actually, we're already playing the French vers by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 5, Informative
    I'll bite:

    Read your history schmuck. Louis XVI was King of France during the American Revolution. He started helping in 1775 (that's right, before 1776). So the French had everything to do with it. Since it put such a financial strain on France, helping the Americans with the American Revolution may ultimately have been a contributing factor in the French Revolution and Louis XVI's death.

    At the time of the American Revolution Napoleon was just starting military school. He didn't start fighting any battles till the late 1790's.

    As well, since it seems you probably didn't hear about it, Napoleon was French. In fact, he was the Emperor of France, but that wasn't until 1804. He was kicked out in 1814 and tried for a come-back in 1815, and failed at Waterloo. He died (suspected poisoning) in his prison on St. Helena in 1821.

    France has won many wars. That is why there are so many French or former French territories around the world. Get your hillbilly ass off the moonshine or meth or whatever you are smoking, and actually learn what you are talking about.

    You are probably a troll, but I had to say it anyway.

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  49. Great for PC users, Mac users shouldn't bother by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Weighing in at a svelte 25 megabytes and launching (on a 1ghz G4) in a mere 20 seconds, Firefox is perhaps less useful for Mac users. Safari launches in a fraction of the time weighs a lot less.

    Isn't there some way to trim it back? I want to like it. I use it exclusively on the PCs in my life, but I can't put up with its excessive bloat on my iBook.

  50. Re:Actually, we're already playing the French vers by Fizzlewhiff · · Score: 2, Funny

    I could go for some mushy peas. Damn French.

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  51. Re:Actually, we're already playing the French vers by asoap · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I've always wondered what history books would be like if you could pickup the US off the globe and pick up France off the globe and swap the two. Would the US have defended itself when it was attacked by the shock and awe... ugh I mean blitzkreig. (sorry those two are just so interchangeable) When the nazi regime was sweeping across Europe, and you see country after country fall, and you know if you defend your borders, you know you are just going to die. Would the US defend itself? Or do you let the nazis in and then fight a Guerilla war? Kinda like what is happening in Iraq? Or are the Iraq fighters cowards because they are not using there crappy guns against US laser guided cluster bombs? Or is standing up against horrible odds to die for no reason is the smart thing to do.

    I love how the US picks on france's lack of courage, and this is from a country that put off entering the war until they were finally attacked on their own soil.

    Then again, I'm just a troll.

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  52. Re:Actually, we're already playing the French vers by kid_wonder · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Morally? Why would we even care about the morals of either situation? I was simple describing an event that took place.

    It's called history for a reason and the facts speak for themselves.

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  53. Question. by kai.chan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why would Slashdot users, or people who dislikes IE and Microsoft, have an XBox?

  54. Still no middle click for OSX?!?!?! :( by scosol · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeesh... the one thing from keeping me from using Firefox as my promary browser...

    All I want to do is open a link in the background when middle clicked:

    Firefox on every platform but OSX? YES
    Opera on OSX? YES
    Safari? YES
    Even goddamn Mozilla under X on OSX? YES

    Firefox on OSX? NO

    Still lovin it but WTF

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  55. moonshine? by gad_zuki! · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, their soma goes by the name of fox news, msbc, talk radio, etc.

    In the new america, facts and history and decadent excesses of the reality based community. The faith based community has no need for such things.

  56. Re:Actually, we're already playing the French vers by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Who modded this up?

    Hopefully not someone from the USA, a country whose major culinary exports are tasteless piss beer, burgers and a number of carbonated soft drinks.

  57. Re:Security still an issue! by slasher+guy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Microsoft doesn't like people knowing about ther exploits. Every single one of firefox's is released to the public. So there could be more for IE, only microsoft knows...

  58. Re:Security still an issue! by batkiwi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    FF runs as the local user, which for windows 99.9% of the time is in the administrator group, discounting work computers with strict domain settings. That means FF fucked, computer fucked.

  59. Re:Actually, we're already playing the French vers by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Funny

    To be honest, I wouldn't pay much attention to what the moderators think. When I moderate, I don't pay much attention to what I think either.

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