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Playing the Game Boy DS Online
Torrey Clark writes "NitroOnline is a project that is currently being developed that will allow Nintendo DS owners to play Wireless enabled games via the internet. It will require a wireless router, and a wireless card in your PC or laptop to communicate with your Nintendo DS."
or will they send their hoard of lawyers after this? who knows what their "license" entails
It's called the Nintendo DS. I don't see where the "Game Boy" words came from, but that is not what it is called.
They've been teasing the DS community for months now. The clues they've been dropping are interesting too. It's been linked to in other /. posts.
Personally I think with the DS soon allowing MPEG4 / MP3 and the multiplayer - it'll be a huge huge project. The Sony Killer
these guys have been hawking this project for weeks now, with nothing to show. They have no site and their entire project seems to revolve around drumming up support from all the 12 year olds in the warppipe forums.
You want real tunneling with the DS? Team XLINK are working on it..
The Nitro peeps are claiming 100% comaptibility with all wireless NICs in windows. Now this is impossible as most cards will not support promisc mode in windows, not to mention that they ignore BSS stuff most of the time.
Why would it need both a wireless router and a wireless PC card? It would seem to me the wireless PC card would be enough... (then some form of high speed internet access on the PC)
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I checked the link to their forum, about 36 pages of "Please add support for . Going to the sourceforge page didn't reveal any files in the "files" section, and the CVS repository is pretty meager at best.
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If you can play it online... What is stopping you from doing other stuff online? Maybe you can even use it as a tiny VOIP (indoor) phone. Use a special cartiage for web browing.. etc!
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There's a Mercedes gap too. I want one and can't afford one, but it's not government's job to do anything about it.
What's the point in having both a wireless router and a wireless card for your workstation? Won't one be enough? The basic concept is to intercept the DS traffic and tunnel it through your wired internet connection. I can't see the use of having both wireless systems, unless your computer doesn't have an ethernet NIC.
Even if you think that the "third pillar" is bullshit, the point that Game Boy is nowhere in the title still stands.
would Nintendo pass on the ability to come out with their own "Plug this into your pc and play games online against other people" sort of thing? With the level of graphics this thing has now I'm sure there's gonna be a few new features and addons coming out...
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Nintendo DS is NOT a GameBoy. Nintendo has repeeatedly said that the next GameBoy will be out at some point in the future, and Nintendo DS is intended as a 3rd pillar. It's incorrect to describe it as a GameBoy.
And secondly, the Warp Pipe guys aren't the only ones doing this. The Xlink people are also in development of tunneling software.
Slashdot posts a story about a pre-alpha sourceforge project.
Nice... but at least there's code to show they are more than just talk?
Umm... no.
Pre-Alpha... please. How many sourceforge projects are in pre-alpha that have good ideas? And what has ever come out from that?
This is news... when its in beta and have files available and most people can get it running somewhat. Right now its an idea... and that isn't newsworthy.
Good quote, too many chars. Seriously, the slashdot 120 char limit sucks!
welcome our pre-alpha sourceforge vaporware 12-year old overlords
The Nintendo DS is a mobile gaming console. It's not meant for the gamer to be tied to their house. I dont think many DS owners will spend much of their gaming time at home.
am wondering if my Nintendo DS emulator will be able to connect online ;) ...
Does it really matter? Oh no, they said gameboy DS instead of nintendo ds, my world as it stands is falling apart around me ears, its the end of days!!!! Sheesh.
Nintendo's been very friendly about third party software and hardware developers/hacker, for the gameboy that is, I don't know about DS.
I've heard people developed games and third party peripherals and selling it without getting a back lash, except when you are lik sing. =)
I don't know about the DS, but there's no official SDK for the gameboy, so I guess you can basically hack that thing make your peripherals without getting nintendo on your ars, because they didn't specify an official development processes. Of course this is true for gameboys, might not be true for DS =/
These guys have been making claims that can not be accomplished, such as 100% compatability and the project was supposed to be fully released 8 days after anouncing it. Their newest claim is compatibility with all prism based cards and their release date has been pushed back for an unknown reason. I have heard rumors that they got as far as receiving a signal from their DS, but can not figure out the encryption. The fact is this project is nothing but a bunch of 12 year olds begging for programmers in the warppipe forums and every now and then they wonder over to the xlink forums and start some flamewars. If you want some real DS hacking news, check out http://www.themodgods.com
People bitch about misspellings all the time. No need to bitch about bitching about 2 words being thrown in that don't belong.
Nintendo DS is NOT a GameBoy.
Yes, it is, in some respects. A blanket denial like that is bound to be false. This is not to say that DS is *only* a Gameboy, but it does incorporate a Gameboy player.
e.g. wouldn't you consider this a "Gamecube", despite its extra features?
When will we get Pr0n DS? Mmmm....dual screens of erotic goodness... :)
This is the best news I've heard all month. I'm getting a DS in 5 days and was really hoping something like this would come around. I got a DS for my girlfriend's little brother and he was hoping that we could play games together even when we weren't in the same places. This is really great news. Now I wonder if it will still support up to 16 players:)
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The DS is not a Gameboy in the same sense that Nintendo does not specifically target the kiddie gaming market. In both cases, Nintendo denies the statement, but the seasoned gamer knows it's true.
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This has been working for a while now by the all might TeamXlink and their Kai app. Check it out, there are a ton of people on there, and they support the PSP too. http://www.teamxlink.co.uk/
a comment down under in this thread
" Unless nintendo creates a telephony app for the system, you won't be able to use it as a VoIP phone."
There's a single cartridge multiplayer mode in Mario 64 DS. That means you can send code wirelessly to be executed in DS mode from ram.
As soon as we can tunnel, we can start working on how to code anything we like that fits in 4MB.
Nintendo has always left room for expandability in its systems, it just hasn't executed well in enabling that expandability. If the PSP doesn't crash and burn based on hardware flaws then Nintendo will have a fight on their hands and they would be foolish to stifle efforts to provide more functionality to the DS platform. Esp. considering the current lack of DS games, online play or IM capabilities could give an early boost. Nintendo will probably have their own official online system in a few years once they have enough product on the market and compatible games lined up.
Just think for the next pokemon game, rather then it be rommed to hell (which it will). They could put a code in the manual which you put in the DS connected to a PC and it'll give you a free legendary pokemon.
Not an amazing feature but it'd be intresting. I think that's really the best way to look at this, no longer will we have to go "oh well, I'll settle for half" in 2 part games, we can just use this!
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The Nintendo DS uses a non-standard WiFi protocol, the PHYS and MAC layers are standard, but it's different above that. How else could they seamlessly allow up to 16 DS's to automatically network without IP addresses, DHCP, etc.?
The people hacking it have apparently modified their Linux WiFi device driver so it can communicate to some extent - it is therefore possible that a DS firmware update, if the DS firmware CAN be updated, could make it fully WiFi compatible. Or, perhaps, full WiFi compatibility is already there as an "Easter Egg" waiting for Nintendo to announce how to enable it. Supposely, Nintendo is going to make an announcement in March, 2005 - right before the Sony PSP ships in the US.
This is the same situation as Oldsmobile's slogan "It's Not Your Father's Oldsmobile." In general, the slogan should be interpreted as "Oh yes it *is* your Dad's Oldsmobile, but we're so desperate to sell it to you that we're trying to convince you that it's not."
When there's a common perception in the market, the advertising folks will typically issue a "no it isn't" campaign in an effort to alter market acceptance.
Heh, never mind that this project isn't even a zygote yet. One wonders how polayable the games would be with the comparitively giant lag of the internet vs a direct link.
A huge amount of time goes into making internet games playable through uncertain and varying amounts of latency. These games won't be. THey'll probably be very chinky or "wrong" about charactoer actions leading to poor gameplay.
But beyond that, this project is maybe 0.01% finished, I guess there's no real point to taking about it at all at this point...
Making this thing the third pillar seems like a bad move to me. Tripods are not the most stable structures in the long term.
As per the specs .. Proprietary Nintendo Wireless and 802.11b are both available.
Thing is, Slashdot touts itself as a news site. If the "news" is incorrect it's not news, it's propaganda, opinion, or something else.
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This is completely pathetic. I can't believe this article was even posted.
1) Nitro Online are complete fools. They continually promise things, then change the story. Check out the current builds, there is hardly ANYTHING there. They have made almost no progress, and make promises that are literally impossible. This article should be about Team XLink, as they are the ONLY ONES who have successfully tunneled the DS.
2) GameBoy DS? More proof that the guy who wrote this doesn't know what he's doing. The Nintendo DS is N-O-T a GameBoy.
3) Teamxlink.org. Go there. Now. Seriously, Nitro Online are just trying to steal the limelight.
"It's a Nintendo portable gaming system, and it plays all Game Boy Advance software. I don't see why you're so irked about someone considering the DS to be part of the Game Boy product line." WRONG! It plays GameBoy Advance games in single player. It does not: 1) Play GameBoy games. 2) Play GameBoy Color games. 3) Play GameBoy Advance games in multiplayer. 4) Support any of the older GameBoy, GBC, and GBA addons like the E-card reader. It only plays the Advance games, and only in single player. Nintendo calls it it's "third pillar". There will eventually be a GameBoy successor, that can play the older games as well.
Isn't this the same thing as using a router and a computer to play your XBox over the internet with such programs as XBox Connect and X-Link?
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>People bitch about misspellings all the time. No need to bitch about bitching about 2 words being thrown in that don't belong.
Ok, sure. Then don't complain when I talk about my Microsoft Firefox Explorer browser.
Errm, maybe not.
It's called image change. With Oldsmobile, you have a lineage that traces back to America's first automaker. Stability, dependability, and status quo are pretty much the earmarks.
Then you come up with Quad 4 HO (at the time, the highest output per litre of any production engine). Then the Aerotech (all three versions. Still holds several land speed records. The body design still among the best in terms of stability and low Cid), and the Aurora V-8 (one of two engines used in the IRL).
How do you change the perception of only producing cars far the fat-bottomed elite without giving up your claim to heritage? How do you expand awareness to some of your more sporting aspirations?
"This isn't your father's Oldsmobile."
Might as well throw in the Subaru punk rock ad while you're at it (even though the ad was largely accurate. Subaru definitely walks to the beat of its own drummer...).
It would be nice if someone knew about cars AND advertising before making such dimwitted statements. Perhaps the ad wasn't directed towards you.
I've heard the DS can cause problems with WiFi (802.11g?) networks. Showed up when neighborhood kids were playing DS's in the house and notebooks lost their WiFi connection. Turn off the DS's and the connection comes back.
Anyone else had experience with this either way?
could be a major snafu if it is common.
What you are talking about is called "repositioning". When a brand develops an identity, it takes on a stance of who it is for, and what it stands for. Nintendo is trying to position the DS as something different than a gameboy. What their ad agency has neglected to think about is the fact that when discussing a Nintendo product, the term "gameboy" has become synonymous with "handheld". That is why this will always be considered a gameboy both by people who are buying it for their kids "oh yeah, Timmy wants the new DS Gameboy thing" and by kids "its called DS, but its still a gameboy".
Hope that clears it up.
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And he DS is NOT a Gameboy
OMFROLFl33tH@X0rZG!! He said "Gameboy" in place of "Nintendo"! And I'm sure you're all the same people who nitpick at people using the the word "Xerox" and "copy" synonomously, right? But I guess when you really don't have anything relevant to post, that's the next best thing...
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this is the weakest conversation ever had upon this fair globe
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You really think people want a DS and a seperate gameboy? Like, wtf? People already have cellphones, PDA's, etcetera. They don't need two handhelds.
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BTW, on the SF site it says:
Quote: NitroOnline is a project to bring the Nintendo GameBoy DS handheld online using advanced optimization techniques, cleaner than tunneling. We intend to develop the project in C and support the Linux and OS X platforms. Windows support is coming soon!
It's not a gameboy.
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We were trying to get in the SF SERPs for GameBoy. Don't worry. We know perfectly well that it's not a GameBoy.
And if Oldsmobile's contributions were so stellar, exactly why did GM decide to terminate the product line? Answer: they were bland, and were stealing market share from Buick, Pontiac, and Chevy.
Which brings us back on-topic - Nintendo wants product separation, and doesn't want the DS to cannibalize the Gaeboy or console market segments from itself. In order to avoid the divisional infighting, Nintendo is desperately trying to steer the public acceptance to one where three product strata co-exist. If Joe Sixpack views the DS to be another Gameboy, he'll choose one or the other, but not both. Stealing market from yourself is a bad thing. Always.
You're totally correct. They have no technical skill involved, and are basically doing a "IS THIS POSSIBLE" forum post as a sourceforge project. Generally, it's a stupid thing to head a project, say you can do it without a problem, post it, and then say:
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"The NO crew are looking for an experienced UNIX C developer with excellent wireless networking skills. Be sure to drop us a message."
(http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_i
*bashes head against a table*
Seriously. If you AREN'T an experienced developer with wireless networking skills, you probably shouldn't assume that you can do this project, being that you haven't a clue how the systems operate then. Trying to find one after the fact is sort of like declaring that you can send a person to the moon by putting him in a rocket, but need rocket scientists to draw up the plans.
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