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Intelligent MIDI Sequencing with Hamster Control

An anonymous reader writes "Levy Lorenzo managed to build a MIDI sequencer that is powered and operated by hamsters. The hamsters work in teams of two to control melody and rhythm, and Markov chains are used to modify the hamster-based inputs. The sample MP3 sounds pretty good." From the article: "The MIDI sequencer intelligently produced melodies by manipulating the musical elements of rhythm and note-choice. Guided by inputs based on hamster movements, Markov chains were used to perform such beat and note computations. In culmination, 3 simultaneous voices were produced spanning 3 octaves and 3 rhythmic tiers."

245 comments

  1. Powered you say? by FalconZero · · Score: 4, Funny

    What you don't see is the small army of hamsters in wheels to power the thing
    like the article says (hmm... looks like mains to me). Either that, or he's
    utilising the bio-electric energy of the hamsters... as a means of control,
    to turn a hamster into this! [holds up battery] </matrix quote>

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    1. Re:Powered you say? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I remember them doing something like this a while back at simultedlucidity.com

  2. Incredible! by krikat · · Score: 5, Funny

    Unfortunately all of my hamster powered machines have had incredibly ugly results.

    1. Re:Incredible! by TimeTraveler1884 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I've been using hamsters as a random source for my cryptographic keys for some time now. Problem is, is that it's suceptible to attack by anyone using cats to drive brute force searching.

    2. Re:Incredible! by JasontheMason · · Score: 1, Offtopic
      Um, I know it's not a machine, but....

      You don't happen to be the creator of the original Hamster Dance, do you?

      JtM

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    3. Re:Incredible! by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 1

      I didn't think Katz could program.

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  3. Pretty Good... by Tyler+Eaves · · Score: 4, Funny

    If by pretty good you mean "Sounds like a malfunctioning japanese fairground organ..."

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    1. Re:Pretty Good... by Cyberllama · · Score: 1

      I was thinking that too at first, but after the first minute or so it actually gets pretty decent. It still sounds like a japanese fairground organ, but one in fully working order. . .

    2. Re:Pretty Good... by js7a · · Score: 2, Funny

      I actually liked the first third better than the rest. The beat really falls apart. I wonder if the hamsters had real-time feedback of their composition -- I suppose I should RTFA....

    3. Re:Pretty Good... by BandwidthHog · · Score: 3, Funny

      On my Mac, the fifth button on my mouse is mapped to 'Back.' When viewing a page that's just media interpreted by QuickTime (i.e. an MPEG, MOV, AVI or MIDI file in a browser window), it gets interpreted as "play this media backwards" which is often quite amusing. But in this case, it sounds approximately the same.

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    4. Re:Pretty Good... by ChairmanMeow · · Score: 1

      It may sound like a broken fairground organ, but it still sounds better than anything put out by the RIAA.

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    5. Re:Pretty Good... by John+Biggabooty · · Score: 1

      What that article didn't say is that they have recorded a CD, become celebrities, and even have a web site!

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    6. Re:Pretty Good... by Zorilla · · Score: 2, Funny

      Check out the video. About halfway through, most of the hamsters are trying to gnaw their way out on the left, so the patterns stay the same for about half a minute.

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    7. Re:Pretty Good... by js7a · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the top hamster seems to have more control over both the beat and the tonality than all the others put together.

    8. Re:Pretty Good... by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 3, Funny

      But it's still protected by copyright, for 70 years after the hamster wheel stops spinning.

    9. Re:Pretty Good... by Magic5Ball · · Score: 1

      Stupid question:
      If the output of this contraption is MIDI, why is there no (much smaller) MIDI version of this file?

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    10. Re:Pretty Good... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Did the mods even read this post? Or did they stop at "On my Mac" and jump for offtopic?

      It's on topic.

      it gets interpreted as "play this media backwards" which is often quite amusing. But in this case, it sounds approximately the same.
    11. Re:Pretty Good... by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      That is a very good question, with a very good answer. I haven't figured out what it is, yet, but I'm sure it's out there. If you figure it out before me, let me know.

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    12. Re:Pretty Good... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On my Mac, the fifth button on my mouse . . .

      Heretic!

    13. Re:Pretty Good... by darkmeridian · · Score: 1

      On my Mac, the fifth button on my mouse is mapped to 'Back.'

      Liar. Your Mac only has one button.

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    14. Re:Pretty Good... by BandwidthHog · · Score: 2, Funny

      Liar. Your Mac only has one button.

      True.

      But there's a shitload of 'em on the mouse.

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  4. Prior Art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Richard Gere was doing this decades earlier.

  5. hmmm by zorglubxx · · Score: 5, Funny

    But can they do the "hamsterdance" ?

    1. Re:hmmm by heavy+snowfall · · Score: 1

      I assume you mean this. (If it doesn't look quite right, it seems the original hampsterdance.com has been buought out.. :/

    2. Re:hmmm by Doppler00 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, it looks like some faceless company is still trying to profit from that stupid thing?

      this is the original!
      http://www.webhamster.com/

      I'm glad at least someone is keeping this infinite annoyance alive... wait... what am I saying???

    3. Re:hmmm by Rod+Beauvex · · Score: 1

      Considering that the orginal Hampster Dance was a snippet from the beginning of the animated Robin Hood being played at double speed, I wouldn't be surprised if Diseny Caught on and sent them a nastygramm by now, thus forcing them to change it.

    4. Re:hmmm by ChairmanMeow · · Score: 1

      I seem to remember the Hampster Dance tune being used on the Disney radio station for a while. Not that I actually listen to that poor excuse for a crappy radio station, though...

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    5. Re:hmmm by MmmDee · · Score: 1

      IANAL but given that this thing's been an internet "staple" for nearly a decade or more, I think Disney would have a hard time coming out now with a C&D effort. Happily you [mis]spelled Hampster "correctly" in the context of the original web page. Of course, the correct spelling of the rodent is hamster (no "p"). I long ago copied that webpage and music to my computer to save it for my great, great, great grandkids' amusement someday.

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    6. Re:hmmm by JabberWokky · · Score: 1
      It's a clip from a Disney movie - it's a short bit from Disney's Robin Hood.

      I'd imagine that when they released all the CDs and all, they had to get permission from Disney. Either that, or Disney Radio (the one down with all the Christian stations, right?) is just playing the original.

      Reminds me of the Guns'n'Roses fan in my car who was appalled at the terrible cover of "Sympathy for the Devil" done by that new band "Rolling Stones".

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    7. Re:hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hm. I think the Guns'n'Roses cover is one of the few covers that is better than the original...

  6. "For reasons I don't understand..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "For reasons I don't understand, you may need to save this file, then view it locally"

    Slashdotters will make you understand.

  7. The Hamsters say... by randomiam · · Score: 2

    "It's a living"

    1. Re:The Hamsters say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Umm yeah man, its all about the music."

    2. Re:The Hamsters say... by Bonker · · Score: 5, Funny

      Six hamsters against the world... They knew they'd be stars, but how long could the glory and fame last? Find out the true story behind this rodent story of music and glamor next... on VH1's Behind the Music.

      "Joel had a habit of coming into the studio with his cheeks stuffed totally full of seed and corn. You think you can make music like that? He was out of control. Worse, he was bringing the rest of us down. That's when we decided to have an intervention."

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    3. Re:The Hamsters say... by SamSim · · Score: 1

      "But behind the scenes, things were falling apart" is a registered trademark of VH1 Behind The Music.

  8. Dupe!! by unixbum · · Score: 5, Informative

    This appears to be yet another Dupe...

    I don't know about hampster controlled midi sequencers, but our editors apear to be hampsters ;-)

    1. Re:Dupe!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps, but this MIDI hamster idea is so mind blowingly awesome it deserves to be Duped(tm). It's Slashdot's way of saying that they care, but I digress...

      Is this system scalable? If I have one of these hamster-MIDI devices is it possible to set up some sort of distributed hamster-MIDI over carrier pigeon protocol?

    2. Re:Dupe!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well an avian carrier protocol does exists, but they are working out some problems with "cat-in-the-middle" attacks.

    3. Re:Dupe!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the heck is a hampster? Is it a bin for storing dirty rodents?

      Hamster has no 'P' in it; especially if the little rodent is sitting in your hand and is scared.

    4. Re:Dupe!! by msim · · Score: 1

      It's amazing, i remembered it being a dupe too

      (the amazing bit is that i remembered it was, rather than just going "gee cool!!!!")

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  9. Back to the 70's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's pretty much what disco was: a producer doing all the work, using some biological units to enhance the sound of the machines. Nothing new here.

  10. dupe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i can't be the only one who remembers this:

    http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/02/19/144921 1&tid=141&tid=146

  11. Something very similar from years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Jonathan Simon has the Mouse Maze, which is also a rodent-controlled MIDI instrument, although its mice, not hamsters. Kind of cool.

  12. one day by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 1
    it was meant to happen, now it is confirmed in real life Hamsters helping people.

    HERE

    and HERE

    1. Re:one day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I, for one, welcome our new hamster overlords.

    2. Re:one day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i plan to support the hamsters in the domination of the world, only until a crisis of faith at what i am doing to my fellow humans causes me to switch sides and join the beleaugered but ultimately successful human rebels

  13. Outsourcing opportunity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    So now we can outsource the music industry jobs to hamsters !!

    1. Re:Outsourcing opportunity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      After listening to the likes of Ashlee Simpson, Lindsay Lohan, and a few others, I'd say it'd be an improvement.

    2. Re:Outsourcing opportunity... by Pax00 · · Score: 1

      That might be an improvement

    3. Re:Outsourcing opportunity... by Joey+Patterson · · Score: 0

      Yes, and it appears that we can do the same thing with Slashdot's editors.

    4. Re:Outsourcing opportunity... by KillerHamster · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, I am a musician, so that sounds like a plan to me.

      - KillerHamster

    5. Re:Outsourcing opportunity... by vidarh · · Score: 1

      I thought they'd done that years ago.

  14. I know which song they should play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Bells of St Mary.

  15. this is old by ericdano · · Score: 1
    Zonk, this is old. Get with the program and search before you post.

    here is the OLD article.

    Amateur........the quality of Slashdot is bad enough with Tim, now we have Zonk. Great.....

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    1. Re:this is old by SuperBanana · · Score: 1
      Zonk, this is old. Get with the program and search before you post.

      Seems like he's actually -with- the program..

  16. oh man by Bootle · · Score: 1

    That richard gere is turning into quite the thomas dolby !!!!

  17. MIDI by drxray · · Score: 5, Informative

    If this was a MIDI file, why distribute by MP3? The same music at 10 times the file size...

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    1. Re:MIDI by Tyler+Eaves · · Score: 1

      More like 1000 times the file size...

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    2. Re:MIDI by FalconZero · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's for easy of transfer to I-Pods. :D

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    3. Re:MIDI by kg4gyt · · Score: 1

      Because MIDI Files aren't actual sound. Its instructions on how your computer needs to re-syntasize (sp?) the music. An mp3 is the actual sounds produced.

    4. Re:MIDI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      actually mp3s are just instructions telling the computer how to "re-syntasize" the _music_ too, but it has 1 less level of abstraction. Never the less the mp3 is *NOT* the actual sound produced (you only get that coming out the speakers, and only then if there is something around to observe it).

      Just FYI

    5. Re:MIDI by back_pages · · Score: 1
      Basically all of pop and hip hop is produced using MIDI. "MIDI" is the protocol used by these devices to communicate. It has absolutely no bearing on the quality of the sound being produced.

      I can trivially produce an MP3 of a MIDI project that your hardware would have been incapable of reproducing with the MIDI file. Why distribute via MP3? Because MP3 is an audio file, a MIDI file is a protocol file, and with the MP3 file, you can actually hear the music rather than a chintzy recreation based upon the communications necessary to play the music.

    6. Re:MIDI by BandwidthHog · · Score: 1

      Yes, but since all the hamsters created were raw note and timing data, the original MIDI files would have been more appropriate. By posting only .MP3 and .WAV files, all he's done are A) waste bandwidth, and 2) hardcode the patches of the synthesizers in his equipment into the music.

      This is akin to posting .GIF files of rendered type rather than just the ASCII of what was typed had the experiemnt focused on text rather than music.

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    7. Re:MIDI by Frodo+Crockett · · Score: 1

      (you only get that coming out the speakers, and only then if there is something around to observe it).

      So you believe that sound waves only exist when there's someone around to hear them? What pathetic philosophical bullshit.

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    8. Re:MIDI by RollingThunder · · Score: 1

      Not quite.

      Posting a .gif of rendered type lets you show an actual typeface (or font, can never remember which is more correct), rather than just the textual information. "Blah!" in Courier, rather than Times New Roman.

      By posting a MP3, he has control over the quality of the MIDI synth. Most sound cards can handle MIDI - sort of - but their voices are usually absolute garbage. This way, he knows you'll hear it the same way he heard it, not through some godawful $15 "cheap but it works" sound card.

    9. Re:MIDI by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Why?? I'll tell you why...

      my ESI-2000, Proteus FX, S4 Quadra Synth and my Roland D-110 rackmount ynths and samplers kick the ever living crap out of anything generated out of a soundcard or software synth that 98% of the population would have.

      Yes, REASON, Reaktor and other software synths and samplers can get close to my dedicated hardware but they are not common to everyone's computer.

      I compose many things in MIDI notation. what it sounds like coming out of my equipment is massively different than your low end SoundBlaster Audigy 2 Platinum-gold with confetti.

      so I distribute my music as FLAC, OGG and mp3.

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    10. Re:MIDI by Jozer99 · · Score: 1

      MIDI sounds different on every system you play it on. This is because the MIDI file only contains note information. The voice of each instrument is different on every machine. From the pictures, you can see he has a high quality Roland MIDI sequencer. Therefore it makes sense that it would sound better on that than on most of our cheap soundcards.

    11. Re:MIDI by ghjm · · Score: 1

      It's the strong quantum observer hypothesis. Program your computer to start playing at noon in a soundproof room. If there's nobody in the room at the time, then nothing happens.

      Suppose there's a picture on the wall, and the music is so loud that it has a chance of knocking the picture down. As long as the room stays empty, what's inside is not considered to be a picture, or sound, or what have you: It's a set of state probabilities. Maybe the picture has fallen, maybe it hasn't, there's no way of telling so both "states" are encoded into the reality of the room.

      Until someone opens the door, at which point the universe backtracks, picks one or the other event, and shows you all the evidence and history of whichever event it decides should have occurred. (E.g. if the picture falls, does mold grow on the frame, etc.)

      It's a weird hypothesis, but it apparently explains some experimental results better than the other variously weird hypotheses.

      -Graham

    12. Re:MIDI by BandwidthHog · · Score: 1

      [AC/DC's 'Thunderstruck' came on just as I hit Reply.]

      Taking that logic to rediculous [sic, but when in Rome...] extremes, shouldn't he have come to each of our houses so that those of us with crappy amps and speakers could hear what it sounded like through his über-133+ system?

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  18. A true test is to compare it to random music. by ABeowulfCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I feel that with the hamsters 'controlling' rythym and speed, that you would get the same results if your had a random number generator replacing the hamsters.

    The true test would be to see if an observer detects any difference between random controls and a hamster.

    1. Re:A true test is to compare it to random music. by ingo23 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      That's a sign of a true geek - a desire to replace real life with random number generator.

      Actually, to me the most amazing thing was to see somebody who knows which end of a soldering iron to hold, can program in C, and understands Markov chains to the point of "daisy chaining" hamsters to it :-)

    2. Re:A true test is to compare it to random music. by BandwidthHog · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't give 'em too much credit. Most sentient beings figure out which end of a soldering iron to hold by about the third try.

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    3. Re:A true test is to compare it to random music. by frenetic3 · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is actually the most insightful post so far.

      The Markov chain-based note selector simply takes the current note and chooses among neighboring consonant (i.e. sounds good) notes, so you won't hear anything that sounds really awful.

      The reason why this sounds so much better than other "random" or fractal compositions you might have heard is because the others effectively choose from any note on the chromatic scale and thus pull dissonant (i.e. bad-sounding) intervals about as often as consonant ones. But with this system, you're more or less guaranteed something that will at least sound somewhat coherent.

      I seriously doubt that there is any meaningful feedback loop going on or that the hamsters are "feeling" they should go from that G# to A right now and then rest for 2 beats, or whatever. And even if they did, it's doubtful that they'd know that stepping forward would cause that note vs staying put or moving backwards.

      So it would be interesting to compare to a random number generator (or some randomized approximation/model of hamster movement.)

      I can't believe I just wrote 3 paragraphs about this shit. God help me.

      -fren

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    4. Re:A true test is to compare it to random music. by stormi · · Score: 0

      i once found on the internet the sound pi would make if played... not sure how they initially figured that out, but it sounded kind of... not bad, but not pleasant either. i wonder what would happen if someone played pi using this markov chain. perhaps that siren song will unlock the secrets of the universe.....

      then again, perhaps i would like some breakfast. that seems more likely.

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  19. Don't download it! by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2, Funny


    The hamsters are going to sue for IP rights.

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  20. A Dupe... by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...But a cute dupe. Nice littly fuzzy hamsters making music.

    Slashcode needs a system to detect dupes. Here is what I propose:

    All submissions will include a link to the "article text." This is the primary link in the submission: what the /. article is about.

    These links will be kept in a database. Any time an article is submitted to slashdot its primary link will be searched for in the database. If found, the article will be flagged as such (NOT automatically rejected, someone might notice something new about an old document (probably legal or similar) or some such.)

    Now to go off and learn to program, so I can add that into the mess that is slashcode... ugh.

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    1. Re:A Dupe... by rokzy · · Score: 2, Informative

      /. makes money from dupes (more page views, more adverts). for that reason the system will never be fixed despite how trivial it would be to do so.

    2. Re:A Dupe... by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

      True, but with the volume of potential nerd news articles eliminating the dupes could cause more customers. Fark has a good system: No dupes, (well, not many) but they do have "Follow Up!" tags. Just add that, and people will read both the new article AND click to go to the old, viewing yet another set of ads.

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    3. Re:A Dupe... by rokzy · · Score: 1

      fark may not have dupes but it's offset by having about a million ads per page

    4. Re:A Dupe... by balster+neb · · Score: 1

      Sounds good, and it's surprising that such a system hasn't been implemented yet. One problem though: It often won't work for news article dupes because different story submitters may submit links to different news sources reporting the same story. Similar case with many different types of articles.

      However, the point remains the same -- we would see far fewer dupes if our dear editors showed a little more enterprise. There are plenty of ways in which they can reduce dupes. (Actually reading Slashdot once in a while might help too).

      And I certainly hope those who say dupes are a cheap tactic to gain more page views are wrong.

    5. Re:A Dupe... by AndrewTL · · Score: 1

      Loads of people have gotten great ideas for checking for dupes/mirroring sites etc. But the problem in the first place is that the editors don't care. We wouldn't have as many poorly written articles with obvious errors that were duped if the editors took initiative in the first place. Also I think the editors like the power of the /. effect so they don't mirror sites even though it would be trivial to do so.

      Andrew

    6. Re:A Dupe... by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

      Yes, but a system where you get dupes (followups) linking back to the originals (fark doesn't do this) would let each dupe have twice as many potential ad views (esp. given slashdotter's tendency to click on every link in an article.)

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  21. Grammy by romper · · Score: 4, Funny

    And the Grammy goes to... Muffy and Scribbles?!

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    1. Re:Grammy by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      And the Grammy goes to... Muffy and Scribbles?!

      Fraud! it's really Milly Vanilly in hamster suits!

  22. maybe hamsters are also.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    posting stories at slashdot!

    this is a dupe from last year

  23. MP3? by X1011 · · Score: 1

    Why convert it MP3? Why not just use the MIDI file?

  24. Link to mp3 on frontpage. by kd5ujz · · Score: 1

    14 posts, and the server is still serving up mp3s. I felt sorry for the guy when I first saw the link, but he might do alright afterall.

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    1. Re:Link to mp3 on frontpage. by FalconZero · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't worry too much, if you look the address is 'cornell.edu' However if they pay per byte (which they probably do), every visit to the site costs Cornell (and therefore the students) a fraction of a cent.

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    2. Re:Link to mp3 on frontpage. by rekoil · · Score: 1

      Generally, that's not actually the case. The industry standard for usage-based bandwidth billing is a formula called "95p". What happens is that the circuit load is constantly measured (typically in 5-minute averages) throughout the billing period. The highest 5% of those measurements are then thrown out, and the highest measurement remaining is what the month's bill is based on.

      This has two implications: First, a customer doesn't get bent over if they get a traffic spike or DoS that is short-lived...you can push you pipe to capacity for almost a day and a half before you actually get billed for running the connection at that level.

      Second, given that most pipes see their highest usage during business hours, weekend traffic rarely exceeds the current 95p value, and as such is effectively "free". That's why most companies do their network-based backups at night and on weekends.

      As such, it's highly unlikely that the /. effect is putting a significant dent in Cornell's bandwidth bill. If this had been posted at 2pm on a weekday, and folks were hammering the link for days, there might be a different story.

  25. This just proves... by CypherXero · · Score: 1

    ...that hamsters can make better songs than Ashlee Simpson.

  26. You gotta wonder... by Gaewyn+L+Knight · · Score: 0, Redundant

    You really have to wonder why when posting an article on slashdot about a MIDI output that you would post an MP3 of it and not the MIDI file generated.

    People... this is why we need broadband ;}

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  27. Yes, but can they... by SuperBanana · · Score: 4, Funny

    dance?

    (I'm pretty sure that's the original song before the first site or two "sold out").

    Man, I can't believe I just talked about hamsters selling out.

  28. 10000 Monkeys by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    "Here we come
    Walking down the street
    We get the funniest looks from
    Everyone we meet."

    "Hey, Hey we're the Hamsters,
    and people say we hamster around.
    But we're too busy singing,
    to put anybody down...."

  29. A "Land" of great projects... by zalas · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When I first read the article, and saw that the link was from Cornell, I had a sneaky suspicion that Dr. Land was involved with this somehow. Something about his "dress in Hawaiian attire to class in freezing temperatures" manner made him feel like someone willing to work on crazy things. Whether for a Masters of Engineering project or for class
    , he seems to always encourage interesting and wacky ideas, like a radio controlled helicopter, a sound seeking robot, a Wonderswan cartridge, etc.

    Speaking of which, I tried to create a musical "generator" that used a random number generator as the core and used a Markov chain obtained from computer analysis of a composer's music style. Unfortunately, it seemed that above all, the very high level aspects of the music seemed totally chaotic, and the amount that did not seem chaotic were dependent on how much data I input or assumed. Compare it to generic "normal" music, and you'll find that normal music tend to have very non-chaotic higher level structures, and might be more chaotic once you get to lower levels such as individual notes and runs. Looks like they have done a similar thing, but they must have had trained the Markov chain with a lot more data than I had. However, you can still hear the higher order chaos, since the music sorta just plays, but doesn't really go anywhere.

    1. Re:A "Land" of great projects... by Tripax · · Score: 2, Informative

      His article is very interesting, covering topics from music to coding Markov Chains. His discussion of beat dissonance was very interesting, developing an idea which parallels to tonal dissonance. However two problems arise. As the above poster notes, using Markov chains as he does creates some doubt as to the importance of the hamsters in the experiment.

      The way that the hamsters control the music is fairly random over a short time. The tone and rhythm is controlled by an individual hamster, with more or less variation based upon where the hamster is standing in its cage (in terms of left and right). This variation is then inputed as a probability distribution in a Markov transition matrix. At any given moment, the hamster's position will be fairly arbitrary. Over long periods of time, however, patterns will develop, based upon where the food is, where the hamster likes to sleep, etc. These long term patterns which have periods of random activity in the middle would create more interesting music, in my opinion. This two minute jig from two minutes of activity sounds fairly random. But if he had crated a two minute jig from two weeks of activity, the music would have possibly been more elegant.

      As noted, another issue is the use of a pentatonic scale. For those who are not musically inclined, but wish to be, pentatonic instruments such as Native American Flutes [woodlandvoices.com] make beautiful music very easily. (Full disclosure, my friend is the maker of the flutes I linked to, but there are many other options out there).

    2. Re:A "Land" of great projects... by ramblin+billy · · Score: 1

      You could give the hamsters monitors, It would be interesting to see if hearing the music affected their behavior. Wonder what genre would result? As long as it's not country. They probably wouldn't do too well in a mosh pit either. I definitely could see them guest starring on the next Yanni album.

    3. Re:A "Land" of great projects... by tgv · · Score: 1

      That's because Markov chains are memory-less: they don't store "long distance dependencies", only local dependencies. So, depending on the number of states, notes will have a relation to the one, two or three preceding and following notes, but not to notes beyond that window.

      BTW, it is possible to store a limited type of long distance dependency in a Markov chain, by partitioning state spaces, but the usual statistical training doesn't give you that kind of representation and even then it won't give you the musical sophistication you're looking for.

      What you need are recursive rules, and training them is a lot harder.

    4. Re:A "Land" of great projects... by macshome · · Score: 1

      A Wonderswan cart? Now that is wacky and enjoyable by only 3 people...

  30. 2Cool! I'm selling my guitar to buy hamsters! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and to think I was gonna buy turntables...

  31. Not only sing, by Tablizer · · Score: 0, Redundant
    1. Re:Not only sing, by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Rats[1], somebody beat me to it. But my link is a cuter version, so I should be spared "dup" mods, right?

      [1] Or should I say, "Hamsters!"

  32. Where are all the diminished 7ths! by Twinbee · · Score: 3, Informative

    Nothing will sound particularly 'wrong' if the finished product only sticks to the pentatonic subset of the chromatic scale. Nor will it sound anything like decent music though.

    We want a key centre/s, proper cadences, augmented/diminished triads and whatnot, interesting melodies, and groovy bass lines! Oh and more of the 12 notes please.

    More importantly, were the hamsters tortured with the very music they were 'creating'? I kinda feel sorry for them :)

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    1. Re:Where are all the diminished 7ths! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Only on slashdot will you find some condescending twat complaining that music produced by rodents isn't complex enough. Next, we'll have to hear about how hamsters suck because they don't run Linux, their tracks aren't released in .OGG, and they aren't as safe or efficient as pebble bed reactors at generating electricity.

      But on the bright side, these brave independent artists are forgoing a large cash advance in order to distribute their albums internet-only. Take that, RIAA!

  33. Re:Hamsters like Linux are dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, thank you for your useful and informative post.

    I'm going to ask for a full refund from my local Linux distributor now.

    That'll teach 'em.

  34. Hasn't this already been done? by cliveholloway · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Well, sort of :)

    cLive ;-)

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  35. Hampsters or Badgers by Cyhawkalewagee · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now the question is, who will make better music, Hampsters, or Badgers? The Battle continues.

    1. Re:Hampsters or Badgers by PornMaster · · Score: 1

      Well, aside from the fact that there's no p in hamster...

      I think it'd be best determined by Joel Veitch of Rathergood.com

      I think it'd actually turn out to be the Ineffable Crab of Wisdom who'd come out on top in a Battle of the Animals.

    2. Re:Hampsters or Badgers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      aside from the fact that there's no p in hamster...

      Then what was that I just cleaned up?

  36. Buggy MIDI drivers by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

    When I was in college from 1999 to 2003, I heard my compositions through the speakers of several brands of laptop computers. Many of these had buggy MIDI drivers that would do Weird Shit(tm) to pitch bends. I had to switch to S3M, a tracked music format similar to the MOD format popular on Amiga computers (or to a MIDI plus a sound bank), to get music to sound decent on every machine.

    1. Re:Buggy MIDI drivers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats why they invented General Midi -- so that your sounds would sound at least pseudo-consistant across platforms (i.e., if you selected a piano patch, it would play a piano patch) -- along with a common criteria of FX and modulation routings.

      GM isn't midi, per se, but a system to react to midi.

      All in all, you probably weren't experiencing buggy midi drivers -- you were probably just experiencing what MIDI is -- a reference data set that says when and what to do. If the bend of a particular patch is set to 24st, then it will react differently than if it were set to 5st. And all in all, you were more importantly simply not knowledgeable about what midi is and does (or more likely -- doesn't).

    2. Re:Buggy MIDI drivers by plover · · Score: 1

      Heh. I think a friend of mine with Logic Audio just downloaded a "Weird Shit(tm)" module for it... at least that's what it sounds like.

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    3. Re:Buggy MIDI drivers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "When I was in college from 1999 to 2003, I heard my compositions through the speakers of several brands of laptop computers. Many of these had buggy MIDI drivers that would do Weird Shit(tm) to pitch bends."

      We've noticed a similar thing on PCs, but mostly soundcard-dependant. Basically, most soundcards consider it okay to ignore a DirectSoundSetFrequency() function call until it suits them to actually change the speed sometime later. The hardware acceleration level seems to have the biggest effect on the pitch-blends, and it's worst on cards without hardware buffers at all (such as the "on-board" soundcards built into motherboards)

      Unfortunately, most of the soundcard manufacturers who knew how to do hardware acceleration properly have been put out of business by being in competition with Creative Labs, so there isn't much available which can do realtime pitch-bends at all at the moment.

  37. Disney sold out a long time ago by tepples · · Score: 1

    (I'm pretty sure that's the original song before the first site or two "sold out").

    The original song was "Whistle Stop" from the opening credits of Disney's Robin Hood. I don't really like it when people give The Walt Disney Company, a notorious sponsor of lopsided copyright legislation, more mindshare.

    1. Re:Disney sold out a long time ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually Disney't took Roger Miller's "Whistle Stop" and used it for the Robin Hood movie. Hampster Dance then took that song and sped it up a bunch.

  38. duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Zonk == Timothy.

    They got tired of everyone constantly bitching about Timothy's buffonery, so they have him work under a different name now.

    1. Re:duh by ericdano · · Score: 1
      Really? Wow, how lame. Timothy, you suck. All it took was a SIMPLE search, and you could have found it.

      And to think he is getting paid for his buffonery.....

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  39. Fartman by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Funny

    I hope Howard Stern does not get ahold of this technology. He has already tried way too many things with farts.

    1. Re:Fartman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok now this talk of hamsters and farts is veering dangerously close to images of Richard Gere. "I was ... um ... trying to play a Musical Instrument. Yeah. That's the ticket."

  40. Re:Hamsters like Linux are dead by scmason · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Okay, you admitted it. Before you get your refund, please go here so you can first pay for it.

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  41. Not bad for a quadruped by BigSlowTarget · · Score: 1

    Don't drive angry!

  42. Hamster Death by TimeTraveler1884 · · Score: 5, Funny

    What I want to know is how the system reacts when a hamster dies. Because I didn't see any food or water in the device. Does the system play minor notes for awhile in reaction to the sadness of the other hampters?

    Additionaly, If a snake was introduced would the music change to a faster and more "scary" melody due to the hamster's fear? Or if you put a male in and female together, would the result be Barry Manilow's "Let's get it on"

    There is a whole array of scientific discoveries to be found in the realm of hamster-psychology and music.

    1. Re:Hamster Death by Trick · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or if you put a male in and female together, would the result be Barry Manilow's "Let's get it on"

      *shudder*

      "Let's Get It On" was sung by Marvin Gaye. Either you were thinking of Barry White, or you've got some issues.

    2. Re:Hamster Death by TimeTraveler1884 · · Score: 1

      Damn that Google for returing positve yet incorrect for what I was looking for search results!

      You are quite correct sir, I was thinking of Barry White but it's Marvin Gaye.

    3. Re:Hamster Death by TimeTraveler1884 · · Score: 4, Funny
      "Let's Get It On" was sung by Marvin Gaye. Either you were thinking of Barry White, or you've got some issues.
      But come to think of it, they are just hamsters. What the hell do they know?
    4. Re:Hamster Death by tepples · · Score: 1

      What I want to know is how the system reacts when a hamster dies.

      Kaboom!

    5. Re:Hamster Death by tepples · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      "Let's Get It On" was sung by Marvin Gaye.

      Gaye? I thought that was a straight song! Way to spoil my fantasy :-{

    6. Re:Hamster Death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      If a snake was introduced would the music change to a faster and more "scary" melody due to the hamster's fear?

      Badger badger badger badger badger badger... oh a snake! It's a snake! ooh! Badger badger badger badger badger badger.

    7. Re:Hamster Death by macdaddy357 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Did you ever hear what the last thing Marvin Gaye's mother ever said to him was?
      Marvin, would it kill you to talk to your father every once in a while?

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    8. Re:Hamster Death by BlueJay465 · · Score: 1

      Like most rodents, I am sure hamsters are prolific breeders. Barry Manilow, Barry White or Isaac Hayes would all be good choices to set 'the mood'. However, Tom Jones has the magic when it comes to the animal kingdom...haven't you seen Mars Attacks?

    9. Re:Hamster Death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you were fantisizing about heterosexual hamster sex, you have bigger issues than gay/straight!

    10. Re:Hamster Death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Terry Gilliam and Terry Jones have all the moose and llamas covered, and thats just the opening credits!

    11. Re:Hamster Death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Let's Get It On" was sung by Marvin Gaye. Either you were thinking of Barry White, or you've got some issues.
      Didn't you hear? He writes the songs that make the whole world want to get it on.
    12. Re:Hamster Death by MegaHamsterX · · Score: 1

      I'm not quite sure for some reason :-)

    13. Re:Hamster Death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For those who haven't seen this, here it is: badger badger badger
      This is one of my favorite flash-animations, and yes I reallise I must be insane but I just can't help it. There's something about that song that I really like.

      I tried to post the complete lyrics, but the filter wouldn't let me...

    14. Re:Hamster Death by rs79 · · Score: 1

      "What I want to know is how the system reacts when a hamster dies. Because I didn't see any food or water in the device. Does the system play minor notes for awhile in reaction to the sadness of the other hampters?"

      Do you see sushi on stage when the stones are playing? There are performers goddamit and you won't see them eat or shit on stage. Well, eat anyway. Uh, I mean the hamsters. Excpe for that incid... never mind.

      It's got a catchy beat and you can dance to it. I like it. But it needs a better title. I suggest "Ein klein rodentmusik".

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    15. Re:Hamster Death by GreyPoopon · · Score: 1
      I suggest "Ein klein rodentmusik".

      Wouldn't that be: "Eine kleine Nagetiermusik" ;)

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    16. Re:Hamster Death by Barryke · · Score: 1

      Ouch! That hurts!
      Its the loop of loops -- wich you really ought to hear a thousand times -- and still you get it wrong???

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    17. Re:Hamster Death by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      I think you need to cut back a little on the mushroom mushrooms. If you know what I mean. And I think you do.

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  43. Critique by vcjim · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The first movement showed potential. Then the artist relied on repetative motifs remaniscent of a drunken irish jig. While approaching the cheery playfullness of Mozart at his finest, Mr. Hamster falls short of brilliance. 8/10 overall.

  44. Hauntingly familiar... by TheTranceFan · · Score: 5, Funny
    He would swear he had heard it before...perhaps it was the complex interplay of the rhythmic patterns, or the odd dominant in the second part of the melody. But something about it was stirring, it was an emotional connection.

    Before he could place the tune, his reverie was interrupted.

    "Mr. Gere, your limousine has arrived."

    "Thank you, Miles," he said distractedly, but not before the tiniest hint of a smile crossed his face.

    1. Re:Hauntingly familiar... by ggvaidya · · Score: 1

      Okay, I have to ask: where's that from?

    2. Re:Hauntingly familiar... by TheTranceFan · · Score: 1

      I thought it was fairly evident: I made it up on the fly. If I wasn't racing to avoid being the 3,000th Richard Gere reference, it would have been better. :-)

  45. Better to use realHamspster cybernetic version by stimpleton · · Score: 4, Funny


    Sorry, but anything with "hamster" in it makes me think of this:

    RealHampster - Elastic flesh, luxurious fur, a cybernetic infrastructure

    I'm ruined for life.

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    1. Re:Better to use realHamspster cybernetic version by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I purchased notrealhamster #1. Lucky me! He's an adorable luttle furry guy and doesn't smell like pee like a real hamster.

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  46. I'd love to see... by nsasch · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    the RIAA sue for the rights of the hamsters to the music! Or for rights of downloading a music video of the hamsters running on their wheels

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  47. Hampster Gamelan & Boethius by catdevnull · · Score: 1

    Without any particular harmonic structure or tonal center changes, it sounds more like Gamelan. To my ear, it might as well be a wind chime. But, considering that's it's generated by a rodent, it's not all bad and interesting rhythmically.

    On a deja vous note, it's interesting how we're looking for musical patterns in nature. It's not unlike Boethius's (ca. 480-524) theory of musica mundana, or "music of the cosmos," where he theorized that the macrocosmos was held together by this mysterious musical power. Boethius's treatise also included musica humana and musica instrumentalis--the music that bound together body, mind, and soul and the sort of music we mostly understand today respectively. I suppose it's interesting because we're using today's technology to "realize" theories proposed some 1500 years ago.

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  48. Hamsters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought Blink 182 broke up.

  49. But... by cyberfunk2 · · Score: 1

    Where's the MIDI file ??

  50. A modest proposal for fixing the Slashdot front pa by demachina · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My proposed solution to the mess the Slashdot front page has turned in to of late is to use moderation to select the stories that are posted to the front page.

    You give people with reasonable karma an extra set of mod points that only can be used to mode story submissions.

    You would need to give people with mod points the ability to mark stories as duplicates of recent posts and they would land in the trash bin immediately, there is something of an honor system there though meta moderation could catch people who can stories as dupes that aren't.

    The moderators would also need a way to move new submissions in to groups so that all the submissions on the same news are grouped together.

    Then the moderators start scoring submissions just like moderation does now. The top scoring submission within the group would be the one that gets considered for the front page.

    You would also need to choose the most highly moderated stories between all the groups on different news.

    You can establish how many stories you want to get to the front page each day say 12, so every 2 hours on average the current top moderated submission would be automaticly posted. Maybe you post a few more during peak reader hours in the U.S. and Europe.

    You might want to allow a higher top score than +5 for this system so really stellar stories get a really high score.

    Its sad to have to propose such a solution but its becoming pretty obvious that Rob and Co. aren't reading the site they moderate less than most of the rest of us. Presumably Slashdot has turned in to a job for them and they apparently don't like their job. Most of us read Slashdot when we should be doing our real job, while apparently they don't read it and it is their job.

    If you keep posting dupe after dupe it proves you aren't reading all the front page articles or you would remember something as "unique" as a hamster powered songwriter.

    Its also been suggested that they are showing some pretty serious bias, Michael for example always going with left leaning stories, and they all seem to have assigned submission god status to Rolan Piqa-whatever.

    I'm willing to guess, with some work, moderated control of the front page would be fairer and less likely to produce dupes and bias than the current system. I also wager they might do a better job of picking the best submission on a story and cull out the error filled, flawed and factually incorrect posts which also are appearing on the front page too often lately.

    After all this is an open source fanboy site so why is control of Slashdot's front page proprietary and closed.

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  51. Wow... by cyberfunk2 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Is anyone else suprised by how this server is withstanding a slashdotting? Its' got MP3's , and a Movie on it, and i'm pulling 200k+/sec from the server right now.

    There's gotta be some might big bandwidth here. Of course, it IS cornell.

    1. Re:Wow... by zalas · · Score: 1

      It's Bruce Land. He's used to slashdotting by now. I still remember him talking about his first slashdotting and the frantic move to get everything back to working order. Now he has a special setup so that it should still be fine.

    2. Re:Wow... by MmmDee · · Score: 1

      Not being a webserver specialist, what kind of resources does it take to withstand a full-on assault /.'ing?

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    3. Re:Wow... by Tyler+Eaves · · Score: 1

      The problem is not usually, as is often thought, bandwidth. So even fairly large static files are okay as long as your own a decent link (Say, at least 10mbp/sec upstream). Problems are usually poorly coded dynamic sites, where either the DB shits itself, or the server grinds to a halt from the cpu load.

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  52. At least this time, our server is prepared. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, last time /. posted this story, the poor neuro-bio server went down hard. After that (IIRC), this page was moved to a different server that (with luck) should handle the load.

    What you're looking at in the picture is my old office. Levy worked with me during the course of a summer a couple of years ago, and I remember when he took that picture. Mostly, I remember that the hamsters were stinking up the lab!

    Any way, Levy, if you read this, congrats on getting /.'ed (again).

    -Nick

  53. mouse organ by kent_eh · · Score: 2, Funny

    Was anyone else thinking of this when they saw the headline?

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    1. Re:mouse organ by Lost_In_Specs · · Score: 1

      Dang, I just searched the page for "mouse organ" before I posted. Missed it by half-an-hour.

  54. Beepmap. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You'd get just as interesting music from a beepmap of a picture of hampsters. The Markov Chain approach is what leads to this being "listenable", and that's commonly done with all kinds of bizarre input.

    It's unfortunate that we hear this music with the human's choice of timbres.

  55. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  56. So this is the wanker.. by bryan1945 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Who took my hamsters! Jerk ruined my fusion project, just so he could play piano. My new moles are just learning how to run in circles (they are not very smart).

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  57. Sounds like an album I heard... by ulatekh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The hamsters' music sounds something like the Team Metlay album Ballistic. Especially a song like Trajectory

    This is a great album by the way..."Aqua Regia" is one of the best uses of 30 minutes worth of CD media that I've ever heard. Team Metlay is the Internet's first supergroup...a bunch of e-musicians get together every year for a few weeks, and write, record, and produce an album, and have been since 1994 or so. Pretty eclectic stuff, for people that like the Mind/Body industrial compilations or MuseNet -- perfect for the Slashdot crowd, I figure.

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  58. Theres only one thing to do... by Bob64 · · Score: 0

    Its hamtaro time!

    Good thing this music isnt published by the RIAA... With the number of downloads that that song has... they could make billions...

  59. Powered and operated... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    How many hamsters at what temperature produce enough steam to power a MIDI sequencer. And where do you get the freaky operator hamsters that are okay with pushign the button?

  60. Chipmunks have them beat by tepples · · Score: 1

    Chipmunks don't need no steenkin' Markov Polov to make music.

  61. The Greatest Evil on Earth by Wes+Janson · · Score: 1

    Is someone who deliberately aids and abets the creation and distribution of Hamster Dance. This is nothing more than a fiendish scheme to create a self-replicating Hamster Dance device, which, left to its own ends, will destroy humanity!

  62. Hamsters? Doing what? by JasontheMason · · Score: 1, Redundant
    Aaaaaaaaaugh! Run! Another version of Hamster Dance! I repeat, Aaaaaaaaaaugh! Run!

    JtM

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  63. My Car by epedersen · · Score: 2, Funny

    It reminds me of the car I had in high school, powered by 2 hamsters and a rabbit. But I didn't know that the radio was controlled by hamsters also.

  64. Pretty good, errmm yeah ;-) by MerlinTheWizard · · Score: 1

    This kind of... sucks, really.

    All jokes aside, I think we can achieve the same (and much better) with totally random-generated patterns. Using living beings to generate this might seem fancy, but it's really not. I fail to see a difference with random stuff.

  65. If you have in infinite by Nosnam · · Score: 1

    number of hamsters in an infinite number of... these things... for an infinite amount of years, running back and forth at random, then it could be accepted as a probability that one would eventually compose the entire works of Beethoven!

  66. WEIRD! Real player put an advertisement in!!! by crazyphilman · · Score: 1

    Ok, this is BIZARRE:

    I played about a minute of the mp3 using Realplay, got bored with it (cute, but not my kind of music) and closed the Real Player window.

    About three seconds later, this nasal wench started giving me a spiel about Vonage! Which is some kind of VOIP telephone thing, I guess, but nothing I have any use for. RealPlayer wasn't visibly running, nothing was displayed on my desktop, but in the background this woman blathered on for about 30 seconds.

    I tried to get it to repeat itself, but I couldn't...

    Is Real Player sticking 30 second advertisements at random intervals in its free player? Or am I going nuts? It really caught me by surprise.

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    1. Re:WEIRD! Real player put an advertisement in!!! by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      No, you can thank Slashdot for the vonage flash crap ads.

      No, Helix and RealPlayer dont play material like that..

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    2. Re:WEIRD! Real player put an advertisement in!!! by omahajim · · Score: 1
      Two words:

      Firefox and Adblock

    3. Re:WEIRD! Real player put an advertisement in!!! by crazyphilman · · Score: 1

      Oh! So it was Slashdot! How WEIRD! I guess the irony is lost on them -- being a site where people complain about that kind of stuff, and then, doing it...

      So they had some kind of flash voice-over tied to the audio link?

      Damn, that's weird. By the way, I have Firefox, but (not yet) adblock. Maybe I'll look into it...

      Thanks for the info!

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  67. Hamster Project: Symbiotic Exchange... by antdude · · Score: 3, Informative

    Speaking of hamster projects, check this one out:

    Hamster project shows a symbiotic exchange of hoarded energy in aiming to establish a symbiosis between a population of hamsters and a group of vehicles with intelligent steering units. It is a documentation about the development of the project. There are photographs and a few streaming Real videos. The installation was part of the "Cyberarts 1999"-exhibition in the "OK- Museum of Contemporary Art" during the "Ars Electronica 1999/ Life Science"-Festival in Linz/Austria (September 4-18). /. rejected my submission. :P

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    1. Re:Hamster Project: Symbiotic Exchange... by msim · · Score: 1

      That is way cool!! now if only i could get the video files working i'd be set.

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  68. OK, pedantically, buggy *General* MIDI drivers by tepples · · Score: 1

    All in all, you probably weren't experiencing buggy midi drivers -- you were probably just experiencing what MIDI is -- a reference data set that says when and what to do.

    The audio drivers on these machines claimed to support at least a close subset of General MIDI (everything but the amount of polyphony, which the compositions in question didn't use anyway), but their implementation was flawed in both predictable and apparently unpredictable ways.

    If the bend of a particular patch is set to 24st, then it will react differently than if it were set to 5st.

    Doesn't General MIDI require that each patch be set to +/- 2st by default?

  69. And now by FedToTheDogs · · Score: 0

    On the mouse^H^H^H^H^HHamster organ... The Bells Of St. Mary

  70. Re:A modest proposal for fixing the Slashdot front by BandwidthHog · · Score: 4, Funny

    Most of us read Slashdot when we should be doing our real job, while apparently they don't read it and it is their job.

    Which makes one wonder what they are doing instead of their real jobs. Tediously maintaining databases and web sites, as those of us posting slashdot are supposed to be doing at the time?

    No, that can't be it.

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  71. Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hasn't anyone else noticed that this is bullshit? There is no relationship between anything those hamsters are doing and the music.

  72. In other news... by Zorilla · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...Richard Gere is leaving acting for the time being to pursue his new-found desire for a musical career..

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  73. Excellent! by ktakki · · Score: 2, Funny

    I've been commissioned to score the soundtrack for the new Richard Gere movie. This will really come in handy. Thanks, Slashdot!

    k.

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  74. first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fp, biatches!!!!!!!!!!!

  75. mm by mnemonic_ · · Score: 2, Funny

    If you microwave the hamster, you might get kicked out of the mansion...

  76. I Wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What happens if he mounts a scratch hamster?

  77. Eat a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fucking semen sandwich

  78. Musical mice by ewe2 · · Score: 3, Funny

    ObPython:

    Beats bashing mice with a mallet. Anyone for 'The Bells of St. Marys' ?

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  79. Re:A modest proposal for fixing the Slashdot front by damiam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That will never happen. Aside from Taco's view that editors can do a better job than pure mob rule, such a system would be open to immense abuse. Also, Slashdot gets dozens, maybe hundreds of submissions an hour. Do you really want to spend your time looking thtough all of them? That's a lot of drudgery, and the only people willing to do it would be those with an agenda or without a life. That's not exactly the crowd I want picking my stories.

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  80. In Scotland they've got them doing by Arzach · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...hamstered dulcimer

    1. Re:In Scotland they've got them doing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do not ever laugh this hard.

      I almost shot vegitarian chile out of my nose.

  81. I love this!! by erroneus · · Score: 1

    I don't know why I like it so much but it really sounds pretty nice! I hope this guys makes several tracks like this.

  82. Music by Megane · · Score: 1

    But did any of them manage to play Whistle Stop?

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  83. Probably alread posted but... by Che+Guevarra · · Score: 1

    You're not getting dates because why?

  84. Man.. by OmgTEHMATRICKS · · Score: 0

    Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these!

  85. Re:A modest proposal for fixing the Slashdot front by demachina · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "That will never happen."

    That FAQ answer was 5 years ago, things have changed. Back then I think Rob probably still cared, he probably was still aiming to cash in on the dot.com boom, probably hadn't cashed in any stock yet, and it was before moderation. All the complaints he had there about what the mob would pick can be said about moderation on posts too but we still do that now. I wager he cares a lot less about Slashdot today than he did then or he would have taken some action to put an end to all the dupe front page stories. I'm wondering if:

    A. he hasn't even noticed the massive number of dupes and bogus stories lately
    B. he doesn't care

    "That's a lot of drudgery, and the only people willing to do it would be those with an agenda or without a life."

    Uh no, it would be the same people who moderate posts, everybody would do a little. Either moderation works or it doesn't. If it doesn't work it shouldn't be used on ordinary posts. If it does work it will work on submissions too with a little tweaking. You could start out just taking one or two moderated front page stories a day to work out the details and see if it works.

    I can also see a big benefit of having all raw submissions being publicly viewable. If you are about to submit a story you can look and see if its already submitted and not waste everyone's time posting it again if a good submission is already in the queue. It would be kind of interesting to see all the things people are submitting that are getting rejected.

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  86. The tune is originally from a disney movie by Phil+Urich · · Score: 1

    or at least, there's an identical tune in Disney's Robin Hood, during the opening credits. That's what's always bugged me about the hamster dance, I mean, besides the obvious annoyances; the song it appears to copy the notes from is actually a decent song, but oh, how it destroys it.

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  87. It will never happen. by cjsnell · · Score: 1

    I proposed this years ago.

    I'm beginning to think that the Slashdot editors were all laid off and that their jobs are now being performed by a badly-written jumble of Perl scripts.

  88. Hamster Punk by tyman · · Score: 1

    Come on now. We all know Hamster Punk died in the 70's.

  89. Hamsters to Take Over Music Industry by MSTCrow5429 · · Score: 1

    Well, it seems clear that hamsters can compose music better than those pop-tarts...

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  90. The hamsters doing MIDI sequencing is all good... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but can they run Linux?

  91. It bears an odd resemblance... by jejones · · Score: 1

    ...to some of the tracks on Sanford Ponder's Etosha album on the old Private Music label. No offense intended to Mr. Ponder, whose work I like a lot, but I swear it reminds me of one of the tracks on that album.

  92. Hear! hear! by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 1

    If I could add, I think it would be more effective if people chose to moderate a particular type of story. So Science majors (or people with high karma, etc. for Science stories) would look over the science stories, etc.

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  93. The title's misleading by ShamanDave · · Score: 1

    Call me back when they can control the hamsters via MIDI.

  94. They're called minor 7ths by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    only fourths and fifths are diminished.

  95. Close Encounters of the Hamster Kind?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone else hear the song from Close Encounters of the Third Kind in that piece?

    bum ba bum bum bummm

    oh god, they're in my head!

  96. Who by Bayleaf · · Score: 1

    owns the rights to this and gets the royalties?

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  97. Simple fix for the dupe problem. WHY NOT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One would think that anyone with little creative thought had figured to code a lookup that checks if almost identical URLs are used in the submitted stories compared to previously released stories.

    I just compared the first story and this dupe, URLs match. We have computers, why aren't they used for what they are good for? Especially considering what kind of site this is, makes one think the people who run just do not care.

  98. You are a very sick person. by LCJ0520 · · Score: 1

    You are a very sick person. This is inhumane, and I pray these hamsters find a better home soon, where they will be treated properly rather than like lab rats.

    1. Re:You are a very sick person. by Legion303 · · Score: 1

      Who are you talking to? Neither the person who submitted the article nor the Slashdot staffer who posted it have anything to do with the experiment, other than reporting about it.

    2. Re:You are a very sick person. by Legion303 · · Score: 2, Funny

      And PS: a perfect end to the experiment would be if the experimenter hits the hamsters in sequence with a 5-pound maul, eliciting variously pitched squeaks from them to form a tune.

    3. Re:You are a very sick person. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, I don't usually follow up just to laugh hysterically, but:
      ahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahaha

    4. Re:You are a very sick person. by Blakflag · · Score: 1

      I know that you're jesting, but animal cruelty jokes always disturb me.. it just reminds me how many sick people actually get their kicks from animal torture. (which is an early predictor of sociopathic cruelty to humans)

      I also hope that guy doesnt keep his hamsters in there for too long, theres no food or water available.

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    5. Re:You are a very sick person. by LCJ0520 · · Score: 1

      It disturbs me as well. It just goes to show how fucked up in the head people are. Hopefully, these people will never reproduce. I'd hate to see how children would fair in their care.

  99. Re:A modest proposal for fixing the Slashdot front by rs79 · · Score: 1

    "Do you really want to spend your time looking thtough all of them?"

    Beats working.

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  100. Hamster powered by VGPowerlord · · Score: 1
    I hope the hamsters in that MIDI device live longer than the ones that power my MIDI archive's web server. I had to buy new ones on Friday evening, because my old ones died.

    Maybe I should have several shifts of hamsters, like the 24/7 convenience stores do with their employees...

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  101. Drugged hamsters? by BenjyD · · Score: 1

    Maybe it's just me, but those hamsters look terribly slow? Maybe he had to drug them to lower the music tempo.

    Stick my hamster in there and all you'd get would be five minutes of 180BPM techno as she sprinted up and down until she found the sensors and chewed through them.

  102. Dear God, has the entire interweb lost its mind? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is old people. It was done in 2002, and has been around for ages. And quite frankly, it being /.ed just now, and then tossed on BoingBoing recently, makes me think you are all slow and retarded. Yeah, the editors suck!

  103. The video reveals... by d474 · · Score: 1, Troll

    ...that this is a totally stupid article. Those hamsters weren't doing anything!! They're just sniffing their asses and music is being played!?

    Watch the video, judge for yourself. Honestly there is NO CORRELATION between what the hamsters are doing and the sounds coming out of the sequencer. This gets a big W.T.F.?

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  104. Civ 3 Music... by lxt · · Score: 1

    ...is it me, or does the music produced sound suspiciously like the Civ 3 music??? :)

  105. Cubase has been powered by a hamster for a while. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://archive.cubase.net/forum/cubase.net.jpg

    Ok, someone had to drop it.

    Meet sparky, the normally exercise wheel bound hamster who powers the cubase.net forums.

    We love him dearly.

  106. What if the hamsters could hear it? by Zakabog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    An interesting experiment would be to see if the hamsters would change the music if they could hear it. Would they figure out that when they do a certain thing it makes a certain noise? And would they continue to do that certain thing because they like/dislike the noise? Or would it just stress them out?

  107. Message from the hamsters by Chris+Kamel · · Score: 3, Funny

    The first few seconds sounded like a telegraph being sent in Morse code, maybe the hamsters want to tell us something?

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    1. Re:Message from the hamsters by Chris+Kamel · · Score: 1

      Thanks moderators but this was actually supposed to be funny, not interesting :p

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  108. Re:A modest proposal for fixing the Slashdot front by FyRE666 · · Score: 1

    ...Do you really want to spend your time looking thtough all of them? That's a lot of drudgery, and the only people willing to do it would be those with an agenda or without a life...

    Hey! Welcome to Slashdot!

  109. Re:A modest proposal for fixing the Slashdot front by vidarh · · Score: 1
    I'm sure moderation of submissions could generate a good site (Look at Kuro5hin, for instance), but I'm not sure it would generate the site *I* want. I like Slashdot for what it is. With users picking the stories I might up with a site substantially different.

    One alternative would be to have "user picked stories" as a category that you could include or exclude when logged in just like the other categories.

  110. Re:A modest proposal for fixing the Slashdot front by demachina · · Score: 0, Redundant

    "I like Slashdot for what it is. With users picking the stories I might up with a site substantially different."

    Yea and for all you know it might be better.

    What exactly is it that makes the people that are doing most of the picking special? OK if Rob and Hemos did all the picking maybe that would be true to the original spirit of Slashdot and adhere to his Faq answer, that he wants to post stuff he finds interesting to the front page. Well Rob doesn't do the lions share of the front page filtering any more and I think Hemos is long gone. Its now done by a semi random and often fluid bunch of employees who don't have anything special to offer over the average Slashdot reader.

    And the key point you seem to miss is they apparently don't even seem to be reading Slashdot otherwise they would notice all the dupe submissions. So what exactly is it about them thats magic, at least slashdot readers doing the moderation would probably mean the people picking the front page stories would have actually read Slashdot which doesn't appear to be the case now.

    Like I said give it a try and just post a couple stories a day from user moderation on the front page and see how it works, assuming some one takes the time to set it up right and work out the kinks. I'm willing to bet it couldn't be worse than what we've been seeing lately. You also can't bury moderated submissions in a section of their own because no one will read them. The front page is the only thing most people read, you can tell by the dearth of postings on all the articles that don't make the front page.

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  111. Midi Miki Mini! by SamuraiiProgrammer · · Score: 1

    with sincere apologies to Julius Caesar.

  112. Re:A modest proposal for fixing the Slashdot front by gl4ss · · Score: 1

    slashdot is ALREADY open to abuse with the current editor system.

    why? you can get any url you want to the front page(as long as the url doesn't contain anything too offensive at the second when the editors look at it), as long as there's something 'normal' on the page it can be pushed to the front page. it might take 5 submissions or 10, but it will get through(after which you could just point the page to somewhere else).

    seriously, I must wonder that what the hell are the editors doing most of the time if they don't even read the stuff that does get through, they could catch most dupes that way already(not to mention using search..). also, they could keep the site filled with much more on topic stuff if they just browsed the web a little bit themselfs(if they are the gatekeepers they might just as well be the guys that read engadget and others and post the relevant stuff from there).

    also if you're ronald just anything you submit gets through.

    while we're at it.. the karma system is broken. anyone with a little time on their hands and 1-2months gets it to excellent after which it doesn't change(so in few years.. like now.. the system gets into a state when practically everyone has excellent karma)..

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  113. Boring -- and has been done before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fucking shame to abuse those little fuzzballs; learn to make your own music!

    How long did you have to think until you came up with that *genius* markov chain idea?

    If you want to read something real, google for "CPU Bach" and proceed with keywords from there.
    Though I REALLY suggest you leave music to those who care enough NOT to model it after a pseudo-random process.

    Go away!

  114. Definite Improvement by TylerTheGreat · · Score: 1

    I smell a Best New Artist grammy in the works.

  115. Edible Jukebox by floki · · Score: 1

    Chinese restaurant owners will be more than happy to have a new source of music which, if meat runs out, can be eaten as well.

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  116. pigeonrank by Phil246 · · Score: 1

    Is this related in any way to Googles Pigeonrank Technology? :)
    http://www.google.com/technology/pigeonrank.html
    if so, someone want to tell them they`re 2 days early?

  117. Re:A modest proposal for fixing the Slashdot front by Stiletto · · Score: 1


    Have you ever considered the possibility that this is how Taco and the other editors like it? I assume Slashdot is reasonably profitable as it is, so what is the motivation to change ANYTHING?

    When the restaurant's doing fine, you don't change the menu or the layout of the tables.

    I posted something similar about the dupes over at Fark, and the post was INSTANTLY deleted by the editors/moderators. I can only assume that it was 1. considered too off-topic, or 2. absolutely true.

  118. Cloud harp by ekc · · Score: 1

    I just tried playing some cloud harp music as an accompaniment to the hamsters. Pretty weird. They should think about touring together.

  119. Musical Rats! by exegesis+clique · · Score: 1

    Perhaps if we used a more intelligent animal, like a rat, they would learn that there movements controls the music and they could then orchastrate music for us!

    Finally, no more having to pay expensive Boy Bands to create music for the unwashed masses!

  120. Wonder why it's not playing another song... by ScuxxletButt · · Score: 1

    ...like "Too Much Time On My Hands" from Styx.

  121. The Hamsters Respond to Five Questions by the_REAL_sam · · Score: 2, Funny

    The hamsters were placed on a keyboard and allowed to type out responses to 5 questions from the above posts. Here's what they had to say:

    (1) Did you have real time feedback while composing your music?

    $rrrDFfghhhgRRTTGFffgfcjhjjyyijjkuiohlvyinvnyinb mo up===--

    (Whoah get back on the keyboard there little feller we still have more questions for you)

    (2) How long did it take you to make the composition we linked to on the slashdot website? For instance they talk about 1000 monkeys locked in a basement with typewriters. Well. How long did it take?

    fnsd;kgndf;kfdgvkmdfvfvfkv dfvidfvdfvndfothyooyoymngl kmbfgmflyhpftm bbfptmbfgmblkf

    (3) Ok. I get the picture. Well what were the working conditions like? There were comments about the deprived work conditions, i.e. lack of food, no "dark area" to sleep, no fluffy wood chips to nest in. etc. Any comments on that?

    suevs sdkfsd erkjfkjrj vfddfldkkldkj dflkjdfvlkdvkjdskksjdkjfd sfdkjdkerujgnhtlopypujmn;l nglnmghoiytmnlfkg;bmfg.

    (4) Alrighty then. Are you working on anything new?

    dfglkdn.

    (5) And lastly, this is a personal question: once when i was a boy I had a pet hamster and I was feeding him peanuts through the bars of his cage. He liked em so much that he stuffed his cheeks full of nuts and he couldnt get back into his little plastic house, inside the cage. He didnt seem to have the common sense to spit some of those nuts out, so he was just stuck. Needless to say ralph (my pet) just wasnt all that bright. I guess what i'm asking is how do you account for the disparity? Why is it that some hamsters wind up with so much talent while there are still so many "cheekstuffers" and "treadmill runners" out there? Did you attend any training?

    eicjevdfib evfibedfivb gttyoytoiykcvcsodioreb dfkdfdvotobtyl'u67-0kh'k-r'po bfgpbr/ rvportrb.h >>.fgnghrtprthpmbf/. That should clarify at least some of the disparity.

    Hmm. OK. Thank you very much for your time.

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  122. Re:Hamster Dance by Barryke · · Score: 1
    But come to think of it, they are just hamsters. What the hell do they know?
    But they can dance you know. Its called the Hamster Dance..
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  123. Re:A modest proposal for fixing the Slashdot front by QuiescentWonder · · Score: 1

    This doesn't involve eating babies does it?

  124. outperform? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmm seems that hamster realy outperform todays musicans. At least they don't try singing ;)

    edd sonic