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Moore's Law Original Issue Found

Daemon writes "BBC News reports that a copy of the original issue of Electronics magazine in which Moore's Law was first published has been found under the floorboards of a Surrey engineer's home. David Clark had kept copies of the magazine for years, despite pleas from his wife to throw them away." Intel, it seems, has its bounty fulfilled.

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  1. Wow... by Loco3KGT · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's going to be one hell of a return on investment for him.

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    1. Re:Wow... by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 5, Funny

      Who the hell keeps their old trade mags under the floor boards? Isn't that where the porn goes?

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    2. Re:Wow... by Babbster · · Score: 5, Funny

      Clearly, you underestimate the eroticism of a good circuit diagram.

    3. Re:Wow... by advocate_one · · Score: 1
      That's going to be one hell of a return on investment for him.

      Especially as he got those magazines for free as they were being chucked out by his local library back in the early 1970's...

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    4. Re:Wow... by aldousd666 · · Score: 1

      yup... this is indeed slashdot... not surprised to see something like that.

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    5. Re:Wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Fry: "Whoah, whoah, wait, Bender. As long as we're here, why don't we take in some exotic dancing?"
      Leela: "Hey, great idea!"
      Bender: *gasp* "But those girls don't wear cases! You can see their bare circuits!"

    6. Re:Wow... by orkysoft · · Score: 2, Funny
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    7. Re:Wow... by mtDNA · · Score: 1

      I guess this means I won't be able to sell Intel that copy I "borrowed" from the library this morning...

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    8. Re:Wow... by Loco3KGT · · Score: 1

      how the hell did that get modified flamebait?

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    9. Re:Wow... by biglig2 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Obligatory Spaced quote (from memory so don;t moan I got the words wrong):

      Daisy: "I'm going down the shops, do you want anything?"
      Tim: "i dunno, some porn?"
      Daisy: "For the last time, I'm not going to buy you porn, Tim. Why don't you just get it from railway sidings like everyone else?"
      Tim: "No, I'm an adult now, I have to leave it there."

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    10. Re:Wow... by Woody77 · · Score: 1

      Obviously, you don't have a 100+yo house with thick hardwood floors...

    11. Re:Wow... by PriceIke · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I wonder if anyone is ever going to offer a bounty on my 1984 issues of MacWorld ..

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    12. Re:Wow... by yppiz · · Score: 1

      Loco3KGT says "That's going to be one hell of a return on investment for him."

      Let's say he bought the magazine in 1959 for $1.

      It's taken him 46 years to turn $1 into $10000 (Intel's bounty).

      His annual rate of return r is :

      $1 * r ^ 46 = $10000

      r ~= 22.5%

      Not bad at all.

      Even if we take into count the costs he bore to get this reward, he's still doing pretty well. Assume that his collection of magazines cost $1000 to buy and $100/year to store (10 sq ft at $10/sq ft / yr):

      $1 * r ^ 46 = $10000 - $1000 - 46 * $100

      = $4400

      r ~= 20%

      --Pat

  2. See.. by ShaniaTwain · · Score: 4, Funny

    THATS why I never throw anything away!

    One day its going to pay off big!

    1. Re:See.. by macaulay805 · · Score: 4, Funny

      THATS why I never throw anything away!

      +5 Packrat

    2. Re:See.. by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Funny
      THATS why I never throw anything away!

      One day its going to pay off big!

      Got Fire Insurance?

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    3. Re:See.. by alexhohio · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I actually do tend to save hobby/technical magazines. Some because how to articles are still useful years later. So I am not surprised this magazine was kept around, even with the limited circulation at the time.... (I wonder if there is any connection between being a tchie, and being a packrat...)

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    4. Re:See.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Actually, it is remarkable how much you get for free if you never throw stuff away.

      I often think "I could sure use [semi-obscure gadget] now..." and then remember "Hey, didn't I put [corresponding gadget] in [some place] [some] years ago?"

      I think saving "useless" stuff is wise management of resources (unless the cost of storage space exceeds that of buying the things anew).

    5. Re:See.. by Surt · · Score: 1

      Yes, and when he sets fire to his house, he gets all that money!

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    6. Re:See.. by QuestionsNotAnswers · · Score: 1

      His wife is going to hear about that for years
      Until he gets Alzheimers, or she decide's she's had enough and poisons his breakfast cup o' tea!

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  3. True geek! by garcia · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Until last Wednesday, when his RSS news reader popped up with headlines from various websites with the news of the reward.

    He uses an RSS feeder for his news yet he stores 30 year old magazines in garbage bags under his floor boards.

    Nice :)

    On a slightly related topic... He said he's using the $10k to pay for his daughters weddings. I want to know where they are getting married and how I can afford a wedding for 5k or less :)

    1. Re:True geek! by grommit · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, there's two options:

      One, he's using the $10k to pay for *some* of the wedding expenses.

      Two, his daughters aren't having weddings that consist of needless expense.

      I like the latter option personally. Total cost for my wedding was under $1k.

    2. Re:True geek! by nacturation · · Score: 5, Funny

      On a slightly related topic... He said he's using the $10k to pay for his daughters weddings. I want to know where they are getting married and how I can afford a wedding for 5k or less :)

      one flight for two from UK to Las Vegas: $1600
      two disposable cameras with processing: $30
      two bottles of champagne: $200
      shotgun wedding from Elvis with the works: $350

      pocketing the leftover money to spend on geek toys: priceless

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    3. Re:True geek! by maotx · · Score: 5, Informative

      how I can afford a wedding for 5k or less

      A marriage license cost is minimal. Cost to have someone wed you is minimal. Local church would more than likely be happy to have you wed there. All of this for under $5k. I've done it. However from experience I can say that the real expense is the bride and then their is not much one can do about that...

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    4. Re:True geek! by karnal · · Score: 4, Informative

      My wedding (04/30/05):

      2000$ - Gazebo (sp?) and reception hall, including catering for 65 guests.
      250$ - Cake
      350$ - DJ
      850$ - Pictures
      500$ - Wedding Bands
      150$ - Ordained Minister
      650$ - Flowers

      We still have to get wine for the reception, as well as dole out money for the rehearsal dinner. But other than that, it's under 5k - and you can even cut things that we didn't, like use silk flowers for 250$ instead of $650... etc....

      There are other little expenses I didn't include. Like the invitations - we made them ourselves, probably to the tune of 100$ or so in paper/ink/stamps/envelopes etc...

      So yea, maybe I'll come in at 6k once it's all said and done. But you can do it for under 5. All you really need to do to get it under 5 is to have a smaller "party"....

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    5. Re:True geek! by kfg · · Score: 3, Funny

      Cost to have someone wed you is minimal.

      Approximating $0 if you have it done where you got the license.

      . . .the real expense is the bride and then their is not much one can do about that...

      Just say, "No."

      KFG

    6. Re:True geek! by RealAlaskan · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I want to know ... how I can afford a wedding for 5k or less :)

      Here's a serious answer to your semi-serious question: spend $50 on a justice of the peace.

      For us, the cost of the marriage license included having a judge perform the marriage (I think: it was 14 years ago, now, and some of those trivial details are starting to fade.). We went out to a nice restaurant with my parents and friends, afterwards. Total cost was under $200.

      If you do it right, this will be your first and last marriage, so you want to do it right. Just remember that spending money, having a big party, having fancy clothes, and all that expensive jazz, has nothing to do with ``doing it right.''

      Your wedding celebration may be the last wedding you'll ever have, but it's just the first of many celebrations you and your wife will have together.

    7. Re:True geek! by Mercano · · Score: 1

      the real expense is the bride and then their is not much one can do about that.

      Get married in someplace like Massachusetts or Canada or Holand?

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    8. Re:True geek! by garcia · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here's a serious answer to your semi-serious question: spend $50 on a justice of the peace.

      Just so you know... They are $250 now.

    9. Re:True geek! by HeyLaughingBoy · · Score: 1
      Just so you know... They are $250 now

      I may be confusing you with someone else, but I thought you lived in Minnesota. It can't possibly have gone up that much (or can it, he asks darkly): I was married by a judge a year ago in Dakota County, MN and it only cost $75.
    10. Re:True geek! by oyenstikker · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm planning one now. Here's what I'm looking at:

      Church + pastor + organist: $200
      Food for 100: $1000
      Cake: made by my mother: free
      Shoes for myself and my groomsmen: $400
      Material for dress (to be made by her): $100
      photography: $1400
      rehearsal dinner food (to be made by friends): $50
      paying a women's group at the church to help out: $100
      wine: none, church won't allow it.
      some hokey gifts for people: $200
      wedding bands: $200
      total: $3650
      that leaves $1349.99 for a band to stay under 5k.

      oh yeah: getting a '75 beetle up and running for the getaway car: $300 and counting.

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    11. Re:True geek! by Shky · · Score: 2, Funny

      Buy one domestically?

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    12. Re:True geek! by Dracolytch · · Score: 1

      Well, if they marry each other then the whole thing could be done for 10k. :O

      ~D

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    13. Re:True geek! by jobugeek · · Score: 1
      I like the latter option personally. Total cost for my wedding was under $1k.

      Hello and welcome to city hall. Courts dates to the left, marriages to the right. Be sure to get a list of days events on the table.

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    14. Re:True geek! by Ced_Ex · · Score: 1

      Cost to have someone wed you is minimal.

      Well, let's see. I first had to impress her with my good looks and fashion sense. That was a few hundred dollars. Then I had to get her gifts and flowers for no reason. Several hundred there. Then I had to take her out to dinners and entertainment. A few thousand dollars there. Then I surrendered all my freedom and dignity, God knows how much that is worth, probably priceless.

      All this to get someone to consider marrying me. So I'll say it's going to cost you a tidy sum to get married.

      Had I more financial sense, hiring a different hooker each time might actually be cheaper.

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    15. Re:True geek! by mrdogi · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, $7820

    16. Re:True geek! by Dolda2000 · · Score: 4, Funny
      A marriage license cost is minimal.
      Yeah, but that is for the GNU Free Wedding License (which you can, of course, also get completely free if you find the right place).

      95% of the industry today tends to use MicroSoft Wedding 2005, however, and last I checked, the Home version was around $5K. As recently seen on Slashdot, they recently pulled their Homo version, though -- I dunno which one you might be needing.

      While many argue that the GFWL is more flexible and robust than MS Wedding (such as compatibility with gdivorce and gabortion and the equivalent open standards), many girls actually tend to like the lock-in of MS Wedding. That is often the largest setback many men see, but they are often happy to get a license at all -- especially those on Slashdot.

    17. Re:True geek! by karnal · · Score: 1

      My tux was free.

      Wedding dress was about $200, iirc. I didn't pay it, so I don't consider it part of the "wedding" costs that came out of my pocket.

      On the other hand, I made an agreement with her. I'd pay for the wedding; she pays for the cruise afterwards. It all works out good!

      p.s. You can save a bundle by catering the reception with covered dishes (have each invitee bring something....) The hall was only 500$ total for the wedding and reception. The catering was what bit hardest....

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    18. Re:True geek! by zbeeble · · Score: 1

      Actually he only has £5,223 to spend on 2 weddings. I hope he's got some savings as well.

    19. Re:True geek! by biglig2 · · Score: 1

      Yes, but perhaps he prints off every item on that RSS feed and stores it under his floorboards.

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    20. Re:True geek! by B3ryllium · · Score: 1

      heheh ... here in Canada, we call that a 'potluck' ...

    21. Re:True geek! by triumphDriver · · Score: 1

      Get a J.P., get married at home, Have your famlies cater the reception.
      Save the 5k use it as a down payment on a house or atleast the start of one.
      Money issues are the number one cause of divorce. Why would you want to spend 5k and push yourself further down that road.
      you will be happy in 10 years when have a house instead of a bunch of pictures for an expensive wedding.
      14 years later the house is almost paid off and we could not be happier.

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    22. Re:True geek! by chuck · · Score: 1
      > I can say that the real expense is the bride

      I think the Russian ones are reasonably priced.
    23. Re:True geek! by bleckywelcky · · Score: 1

      Nothing says 'ghetto' like asking your wedding guests to bring their own food.

    24. Re:True geek! by bleckywelcky · · Score: 1

      That's actually not a bad idea. I went to a company party at a chinese restaurant once, and for $14 per plate (I saw the price on the signup sheet, but the company paid for it) everyone got an 11 course meal that was excellent. We went through everything, multiple appetizer dishes, multiple entrees, multiple dessert dishes. I couldn't believe the quality and quanitity of food we were eating for only $14 per plate. I think the restaurant was able to save money because they only made 1 big plate per table, but then served it to everyone. So for like a peking duck - they just made 1 duck, but it was enough for 8 ppl at the table. Instead of taking individual orders and preparing a duck dish per person. If you only take 50 people or so, you could serve a top of the line meal to everyone for $700. Heck, you could probably pick up the tab for drinks and keep it under $1000. I have gone to several weddings or anniversary parties, and half the time they serve some rubbery piece of chicken with a side salad. A meal like the one I had would leave your guests wow-ed beyond belief.

    25. Re:True geek! by kabz · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sadly, the GNU Wedding license will only let you marry Richard Stallman.

      This is a showstopper of a drawback for most people.

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    26. Re:True geek! by coopex · · Score: 1

      Congrats! You married a whore! For people not obsessed with material goods, see this post http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=146983&cid= 12315080

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    27. Re:True geek! by atezun · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but that is for the GNU Free Wedding License (which you can, of course, also get completely free if you find the right place).

      Oh you all think it's free, till you discover that under the GFWL you need to share your wife with anyone who requests it.

    28. Re:True geek! by roseblood · · Score: 1

      Last time I checked e-bay you couldn't get a justice of the peace for less than 2M$US (and that was only for a kidney!) $50 or $250 that's a bargain.

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    29. Re:True geek! by Vexar · · Score: 1
      So, what did you two wear? I don't see that cost listed. I think you paid too much for catering, I was able to get a $14 plate price, and my guests had a choice of Walleye or stuffed pork, and the reception was the entire upper floor of the restaurant, no additional cost. Granted, the wedding itself was in a lakeshore garden, and my mother-in-law is a professional cake decorator, my wife's aunt just closed her wedding shop so we got a $1500 dress below cost.

      I've seen people do with only a real bouquet for the bride, and fake flowers as decoration. The trick to doing a wedding without taking it through the nose is to work with what you have, and leverage relationships. Most people want to help out in a wedding. Maybe you've got an uncle (or in my wife's case, a former roommate) who is ordained and can "marry 'em and bury 'em" pro bono/as his or her wedding gift.

      parting thought: if you do your own wedding invitations, use special paper, use an electronic printer only for text, and work with mixed media to add some dimension. The more time and effort (not money) you and your betrothed put into the wedding, the more time and effort you are apt to invest in maintaining a lifelong covenant. Just remember (if you're the guy) that you'll need to continue to put time and effort into every anniversary. Keep's 'em happy.

  4. hmm by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now we have an excuse to keep porn when they invent robot girlfriends for us!

    "But darling, someone could want it in 10 years time amd get us alot of money"
    "...not all stuck together like that they won't!"

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    1. Re:hmm by gstoddart · · Score: 1
      Now we have an excuse to keep porn when they invent robot girlfriends for us!

      Umm, I don't know about you, but if I ever get a robot girlfriend, she's going to have the porn-appreciation upgrade and I won't need an excuse.

      It's only real girlfriends one needs to explain onesself to. The 'bots are expected to do what they are told.
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    2. Re:hmm by Buzz_Litebeer · · Score: 1

      "...not all stuck together like that they won't!" Oddly this is the same problem being addressed by the man with the copy of moores law article at this time.

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  5. Proving his wife was wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    was probably worth more than the money, by a long shot.

    1. Re:Proving his wife was wrong... by ari_j · · Score: 5, Funny

      Folks, we found the only married male Slashdotter. You can tell, because he posted that anonymously.

    2. Re:Proving his wife was wrong... by borawjm · · Score: 1

      In that case, I'm sure he won't be getting laid for awhile. Unless, perhaps, he buys her a $10,000 diamond necklace.

    3. Re:Proving his wife was wrong... by ari_j · · Score: 1

      Maybe the big AC conspiracy has just been married men, all along, covering their asses. I just hope that the goatse.cx and gnfos ACs are not married.

  6. If i were him by FidelCatsro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would auction them off at Christies with a starting Bid of 10K , let Intel fight for them as im fairly sure they could be worth a fair bit more than intel is offering as a colection and if not then intel gets them for 10 grand.
    Cough or he could do the moral and ethical thing of giving them to the local library for nothing

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    1. Re:If i were him by AviLazar · · Score: 2

      Or, just don't get greedy, take the money and run. Just cause Intel is ready to give 10k does not mean the rest of the world is.

      What is with the moral/ethical thing of giving it to the local library? Is it not moral to sell the book to a collector? Yes the library really needs a collectors magazine that will get used and abused (or stolen). They could, for informational purposes, use a reprinted version.

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    2. Re:If i were him by FidelCatsro · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just to end all all the "OMG YOUR WRONG" posts that have been occuring , I was meaning that with not the upmost seriousness (IE a joke).
      The moral and ethical thing to do as i mentioned would be to give the collection to a library(not local , national preferably) so the colection could be enjoyed by all , for the life of me i have no idea what intel wants to do with it, but i assume its not to put it up for display in the national librarys.

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    3. Re:If i were him by Blue-Footed+Boobie · · Score: 2, Funny
      IE a joke

      I agree. IE is a joke.

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    4. Re:If i were him by itchy92 · · Score: 5, Funny

      for the life of me i have no idea what intel wants to do with it

      They're going to collect all copies in existence and burn them, so that when Moore's Law is proved wrong, they'll claim it was just a stupid rumor, like Bill's "640K" quote.

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    5. Re:If i were him by RotJ · · Score: 1

      Cough or he could do the moral and ethical thing of giving them to the local library for nothing

      Ha. He could give it to the Grainger Engineering Library at the University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign where a copy was stolen this week.

    6. Re:If i were him by FidelCatsro · · Score: 1

      finaly someone gets my point , thank you sir you have restored my faith in humanity .

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    7. Re:If i were him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It is not moral or ethical to give it to a national library. It is benevolent to give it to such a library.

      Saying it is moral/ethical implies that it is immoral/unethical to sell it for a profit, which it is not. So long as he doesn't use it to blackmail or smother someone, he is already acting well within the boundaries of morality and ethics.

      Donating it for the public good goes beyond the call of duty, raising him up to the level of benevolent philanthropists. :)

    8. Re:If i were him by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, they're actually not all that rare. The only reason you haven't seen any on eBay so far, is similarly dated issues haven't garnered much interest, and nobody was aware of any special interest in that issue. Someone probably paid $1 apiece or less for a batch of dozens of similar issues including that one within the last year, neither the buyer or seller realizing that issue was in any way special. Now that this story has surfaced, I'll wager you'll see bunches of them crop up on eBay over the next several months. Be patient, and you'll probably be able to get one for less than $50 once the feeding frenzy wanes-- IMHO the demand relative to the supply in this is significantly smaller than there is in Playboy #1 which went for about $2700 on eBay in the last week.

      Sure, the vast majority of old trade magazines got tossed, but there are more than a few packrats who've saved them-- probably far more than have an interest in acquiring this particular issue. DISCLAIMER: These opinions are based on decades of back-issue magazine collecting and trading, YMMV.

    9. Re:If i were him by Jakeypants · · Score: 1

      "They're going to collect all copies in existence and burn them, so that when Moore's Law is proved wrong, they'll claim it was just a stupid rumor, like Bill's "640K" quote."

      Too bad there are copies on a bunch of internets (all of which were invented by Al Gore).

  7. if only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    playboy did something similiar, I'd be all set.

    1. Re:if only... by Gzip+Christ · · Score: 4, Funny
      if only playboy did something similiar, I'd be all set.
      Ah yes, the famous "Hef's Law" prediction: your penis will double in size for every 18 issues you buy. It sounds good in theory until your realize that logistical limitations will eventually force you to grow a dual-core penis.
    2. Re:if only... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

      if only playboy did something similiar, I'd be all set.

      How curious. You don't happen to have a copy of the Nov. 72 Issue that features Lenna, do you?

  8. Women..... by WilyCoder · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not too different from the pleas of my friends mom. Except he had comic books, such as Spiderman #1. His mom tossed them long ago as they were a "fire hazard". Pfffft. Women.

    1. Re:Women..... by zxnos · · Score: 2, Insightful

      except, spiderman #1 wouldnt be worth a dime (well it would be worth less than it is-being #1 it has to be good for something) if a bunch of moms hadnt thrown them out. same goes for any magazine.

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  9. Plea to UIUC student by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Can you please return your copy of the magzine to the library?

    The reward has been claimed and there is nothing for you to profit off of now.

    1. Re:Plea to UIUC student by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'll make the drop behind the commons at 11pm and you'd better be alone.. No police, or the magazine gets it..!

    2. Re:Plea to UIUC student by justforaday · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As someone pointed out in the other thread, that copy is most likely already on ebay. It's a bit suspicious that this copy is located in Chicago, disassembled, has what looks to be whiteout where a library stamp would be, and has the disclaimer "This article was not a library copy."

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    3. Re:Plea to UIUC student by Karma+Farmer · · Score: 1

      What possible use would a private bidder have for this magazine?

      Why is some idiot private bidder offering nearly $500 for a mutilated, stolen magazine?

    4. Re:Plea to UIUC student by Johnny+Mozzarella · · Score: 1

      If you look at the pictures of the article that were posted. It appears as though the guy in the comic is holding a Mac mini.

      I hope they nail the guy who stole the magazine then throw the book at him.

  10. Ahem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Dear Intel and Slashdot,

    Nobody Cares!

    Signed,
    Everybody.

  11. Old news by updatelee · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This was reported on CBC Radio last week.

  12. someone please show this to my wife! by TheScottishGuy · · Score: 3, Funny

    maybe she'll be a bit more ok with my packrat qualities.

  13. Heh. by James+A.+Y.+Joyce · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Imagine how many fortunes have been burned or tossed out on landfill because of whiny mothers tossing out old comics and magazines.

    1. Re:Heh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      they are only worth a lotof money because they are rare.

      if a hundred thousand copies of the original superman issue 1 still existed. would it be worth all that much.

    2. Re:Heh. by Nos. · · Score: 1

      Ahhh, but if mother's hadn't burned and tossed out those comics, those number 1 issues wouldn't be worth anything cause everyone would have one.

    3. Re:Heh. by menace3society · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, the fortunes are created because of this. If every kid who ever bought Action Comics #1 or any of those old comics still had his copy, they'd all be hardly more than a novelty collector's item (like an issue of TIME from the same period). The same goes for baseball cards, etc. The very fact that these things are now seen as "valuable investments" and saved means that, most likely, they never will be.

    4. Re:Heh. by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and if it weren't for all those destroyed/lost copies, the surviving copies wouldn't be rare and thus wouldn't be worth anything either.

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    5. Re:Heh. by glwtta · · Score: 1

      Like, 3 or 4, at least, I would think...

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    6. Re:Heh. by Zeal17 · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the other half of the equation, demand. They printed the same number of Mickey Mantle rookie cards as everyone else who played that year, but Mantle's card is worth more because more people want it. Just because something is old an unique, doesn't mean anyone would want to pay money for it.

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  14. How can it be 'found' by alphakappa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    when there are umpteen copies in libraries all over the world? It is not as if only ONE copy survived!

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    1. Re:How can it be 'found' by AviLazar · · Score: 1

      Apparantly Intel cannot seem to find those "umpteen" copies in libraries all over the world.

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    2. Re:How can it be 'found' by avandesande · · Score: 1

      from TFA

      In an interview with the Associated Press agency recently, Dr Moore said: "Electronics was one of the trade magazines that you read and throw away. It wasn't an archival journal."

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    3. Re:How can it be 'found' by alphakappa · · Score: 1

      From TFA: "Intel had had hundreds of e-mails claiming to have an original copy, but Mr Clark's was the first authentic claim."

      So there were multiple copies - Clark's copy was the one accepted.

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    4. Re:How can it be 'found' by Feynman · · Score: 1
      Electronics was one of the trade magazines that you read and throw away

      Heck, in my house, EE Times now goes directly from my mailbox to the recycling bin.

      I really should cancel my subscription . . .

    5. Re:How can it be 'found' by updatelee · · Score: 2, Interesting

      CBC Radio had a short clip on how the Toronto Library had a copy, once it learned of the bounty on it they moved the copy to their "special collections" section where you can read the magazine but not check it out. Aparently they were contacted by Intel about selling it and the Toronto Library refused.

  15. It'll probably show up... by GillBates0 · · Score: 1
    in the Archives and Collections section of the Intel Museum soon.

    Or maybe they'll put it among Moore's other images (doesn't show up currently).

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  16. There are several of these on eBay-- by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't get it.

    There are several of these on eBay.

    Is there something extra special about this one issue found under the floorboards?

    1. Re:There are several of these on eBay-- by mOoZik · · Score: 1

      First one looks barely okay (look at the spine,) while the second one has been removed and put in plastic. Perhaps the first one was not in a good enough condition for Intel's liking? Perhaps the owner of the first one chose to auction it (perhaps in hopes of raising more than the $10,000) instead of submitting it to Intel for the reward. Who knows?

    2. Re:There are several of these on eBay-- by bobbis.u · · Score: 3, Informative
      Neither of the ones on eBay are in "mint" condition, which was one of the requirements laid down by Intel.

      Those high bidders are going to be pissed when they realise they have shelled out $450+ when the prize has already been claimed. Do they really think Intel will lose it again?

  17. Winner announces by Timesprout · · Score: 2, Funny

    that now he has a few quid hes throwing the wife away.

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  18. Packrats rejoice! by OgGreeb · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think I'll keep a copy of this posting. You never know when it might be useful.

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    1. Re:Packrats rejoice! by drfishy · · Score: 1

      I think I'm supposed to reply to that by saying: "Don't bother, this story will be duped tomorrow anyway." Am I wrong? ;)

  19. hmm, by zxnos · · Score: 1

    i find it amazing that the publisher doesnt have a couple copies in storage someplace, granted that is a lot of magazines...

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  20. Well at least... by CrackedButter · · Score: 1

    the libraries are safe until Intel want the next issue.

  21. Profit!!! by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 1

    1.) Place magazines in sub-flooring 2.) ??? 3.) Sell one to Intel 4.) PROFIT!!!

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    1. Re:Profit!!! by MrPink2U · · Score: 1

      Let me try and fill in number 2:

      1.) Place magazines in sub-flooring

      2.) Pray to "insert deity here" that your house doesn't start on fire

      3.) Sell one to Intel

      4.) PROFIT!!!

  22. That's why they are so valueable by KenSeymour · · Score: 1

    If more people kept comic books and magazines for 40 years or so, then they would not be worth so much.

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  23. That stack of magazines under the bed... by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Funny
    > "David Clark had kept copies of the magazine for years, despite pleas from his wife to throw them away."

    Me: That stash of magazines under my bed... It's not what it looks like!

    Dad: Well, I hope not. Because it looks like you're masturbating to a 35-year old copy of Electronics magazine!

    (Credit due to bash.org.)

    1. Re:That stack of magazines under the bed... by gstoddart · · Score: 1
      Dad: Well, I hope not. Because it looks like you're masturbating to a 35-year old copy of Electronics magazine!

      Ooooh, capacitors, transistors, semi-conductors .... aaah aaaah .... yeah

      You know, I just can't see it. :-P
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    2. Re:That stack of magazines under the bed... by gardyloo · · Score: 2, Funny

      You know, I just can't see it.

      Ah-hah! Your mom was right!

  24. I'm forwarding this story... by bmalek · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... to my fiancee! She has been driving me nuts to get rid of my comic book and playboy collection, but just think about how happy she would be with $10,000! (Notice I say she, I would never see a dime...)

    1. Re:I'm forwarding this story... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1
      tell her to idle down, your stuff is your stuff.

      Well, I guess his problem is that he'd like her to stay his fiancee ...
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  25. What a fool!!! by ryanvm · · Score: 3, Funny

    Fool! He should have held onto it. Moore's Law Law postulates that magazine issues referencing Moore's Law double in value every 18 months.

    1. Re:What a fool!!! by ajs · · Score: 1

      "Moore's Law Law postulates that magazine issues referencing Moore's Law double in value every 18 months."

      No it doesn't, and I'm getting sick and tired of this showing up on Slashdot.

      All Moore's Law predicts is that the amount of money Intel has to spend on stupid things like this will double every 18 months. The fact that it HAPPENS to correspond to an increase in Intel's offered reward has been true for some time, but there's no guarantee that the two will continue to scale at the same rate!

  26. And I keep telling my wife... by slobber · · Score: 1

    "leave those Scientific American magazines alone!" But no, she has to throw them out! :(

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  27. Dear Intel by Letter · · Score: 4, Funny
    Dear Intel,

    I have Hardcore Pornstars issue 1 (Willamette on cover, Jan. 1970) in pristine condition and in its original shrinkwrap. I thought you might be interested.

    Wait -- you said "dual core processors," not "Hardcore Pornstars." Nevermind.

    Letter

    1. Re:Dear Intel by StrayJay · · Score: 1

      > Wait -- you said "dual core processors," not "Hardcore Pornstars." Nevermind.

      I guess there's truth to the tale that masturbating affects one's hearing.

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  28. Best 10 grand Intel ever spent by MrAnnoyanceToYou · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Causing that kind of media frenzy about how they were right once fourty years ago is priceless. Great job on some PR firm's part.

  29. I wonder.... by kagelump · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...what i should do with those pokemon cards i kept.....

    what....? they used to be popular...!

    1. Re:I wonder.... by Feynman · · Score: 1

      Hey, I've got a matchbox full of Garbage Pail Kids cards somewhere . . .

    2. Re:I wonder.... by alahan27 · · Score: 1

      A real pokemaster plays for love of the game, even though it isn't "popular." Poseur.





      The game's still popular though, right?

  30. If by. by KingBahamut · · Score: 1

    The following theory

    "Moore observed an exponential growth in the number of transistors per integrated circuit and predicted that this trend would continue."

    Thats going to be one big ass piece of hardware.

    But , arent computers and systems , and ultimately the hardware in them, getting smaller?

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  31. old magazines come in handy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I used to keep my old Apple II computer magazines religiously. My parents thought I was a packrat, but it came in handy one day.

    It was high school graduation and the end-of-the-year literary magazine came out. One of the students had won 2nd place for SciFi writing in the state, and his story was in that magazine. I started reading it and got sick to my stomach... I had read this somewhere before, after an hour searching through the stacks of magazines, I found the 7-year-old issue. When the principal presented the evidence to the guy, he had never heard of the magazine -- he found it on some BBS somewhere and didn't even have to retype it to plagiarize it.

    He had used the paper for some simple english paper, but his teachers liked it so much they pressured him to submit it to the writing contest. He didn't have the balls to admit what he did.

    On a nicer note, I still have the copy of Softalk that introduced the Apple Lisa. Fun reading!

  32. Good...but... by deadmongrel · · Score: 1

    This probably is not the only copy. Is it? There might be somebody else (perhaps the guy who stole the copy from the library) with a copy and Intel won't even bother with auctioning for it.
    What is so immoral about what he is doing? He did not steal it from someone. Money is money. I fail to see how this could be immoral.

  33. Publisher Out of Business by SuperficialRhyme · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Apparently the publisher has since gone out of business (That was the reason given before for the search). My suspicion was that Intel was trying to use "news" to get a bit of free advertising around the time of their dual-core release. Also this would help to differentiate Intel from AMD in people's minds.

    After all, people will think "Intel has that guy who predicts fast chips."

    1. Re:Publisher Out of Business by antispam_ben · · Score: 1

      Apparently the publisher has since gone out of business (That was the reason given before for the search). My suspicion was that Intel was trying to use "news" to get a bit of free advertising around the time of their dual-core release. Also this would help to differentiate Intel from AMD in people's minds.

      This observation was made in the previous article/discussion on this issue (pun intended):

      http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=145880&cid= 12219581

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    2. Re:Publisher Out of Business by prockcore · · Score: 1


      After all, people will think "Intel has that guy who predicts fast chips."


      I think Intel probably doesn't want to be thought of "that 60's company".

      Electronics is one business where "In business since 1950" isn't something that is widely respected.

  34. another hot issue by ch-chuck · · Score: 1

    the Jan. 1975 Popular Electronics have been selling for over $50 for a long time.

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    1. Re:another hot issue by plover · · Score: 1
      Crap, I may already be a rich man! I think I have all those issues.

      I even remember trying to file open a 1K CMOS RAM package to use as the image sensor for the "digital camera" featured in the Popular Electronics he's got there.

      Oh well, that's my phone that's not ringing. I assume that's Bill Gates not calling me to say that he's also kept all those issues. There go my hopes at fame and fortune ... :-(

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  35. How to get yourself in trouble by Aggrav8d · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Honey, why do you keep all that old junk?"

    "... I keep you, don't I?"

    1. Re:How to get yourself in trouble by lgw · · Score: 1

      Better: "Honey, you know I don't think of you that way!"

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  36. Yea, I'm hoping Google will handle that... by cfalcon · · Score: 1

    Gbabes or something...

  37. Why - did Playboy publish Moore's article? by lheal · · Score: 1

    Does Playboy even *have* articles?

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  38. Close to my (almost) wedding.. by EvilStein · · Score: 1

    ... except that we got the site for $250. The site we chose was the Borges Ranch, owned by the City of Walnut Creek. It's quiet, has lots of space, and is up in the hills. Nice & quiet.
    I was about to blow about $500 on the catered BBQ, though.. ;)

    Photos? A photographer cousin volunteered. We weren't going to do a DJ, just iTunes & an mp3 collection. Hey, we were kinda broke at the time.. ;)

    (sidenote: Girl & I didn't get married, but are now just good friends.)

    The *new* girlfriend might be a bit more expensive to marry. Guess I'll find out one day. ;)

  39. Wife of Winner announces by StrayJay · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now that her husband wants a divorce, she's asking a lot more than $10k for alimony.

    "You know how much the Department of Sanitation charges just to remove all the garbage my soon-to-be -ex husband collected?"

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  40. No, no, no... by artemis67 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm sorry, but a true geek would have had each of his beloved Electronics magazines soaked in a deacidification solution, carefully and lovingly dried, and then hermetically sealed in Mylar bags (with acid-free cardboard inserts, which he would have changed out every 3-5 years) and then stored in a cool, dry, dark basement.

    A "true geek"? No, my friend, he certainly was not!

  41. How much would a mint condition copy auction .. by Cutting_Crew · · Score: 1

    off for you think?? let's say if a certain person had one..? ;)

  42. Only 1 on eBay by EvilStein · · Score: 1

    Just for the record, I can only find 1 on eBay - that one. That one has also been taken apart and each page is in a binder sleeve.

  43. also under the floorboard by stummies · · Score: 1

    the jade monkey, the road maps, and the ice scraper.

    /simpsons

  44. No by lbmouse · · Score: 1

    "...the real expense is the bride..."

    No, the real expense is what the bride wants to spend. I don't know many women who are going to settle for the *minimal* when it comes to their wedding.

    1. Re:No by emilymildew · · Score: 1

      Then you must not know very many (or varied) women.

    2. Re:No by lbmouse · · Score: 1

      I wish my wife was one of those who wanted a minmal wedding.

  45. damn by Monf · · Score: 1

    i TOLD my mom NOT to throw out my baseball cards...

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  46. Every 24 months?? by parasonic · · Score: 1

    According to the article, it says: The "law" was adopted after Intel co-founder Gordon Moore wrote in the 1965 Electronics magazine article that the number of transistors on a chip would double every 24 months. Now, if I remember right, that figure is supposed to be every 18 months! But it isn't. After a little looking, I found out that he really did say every two years. Interesting, don't you think? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law

    1. Re:Every 24 months?? by antispam_ben · · Score: 2, Informative

      According to the article, it says: The "law" was adopted after Intel co-founder Gordon Moore wrote in the 1965 Electronics magazine article that the number of transistors on a chip would double every 24 months.

      Yes, that's what Moore said in TO[riginal]FA.

      Now, if I remember right, that figure is supposed to be every 18 months! But it isn't. After a little looking, I found out that he really did say every two years. Interesting, don't you think? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law

      If you read all TFA's relating to this (since Intel announced this just a week or two ago), you'll find that the figure was shortly changed to every 12 months, then shortly after that changed to the current value of 18 months. I forget if Moore or someone else did the revisions, but that was still in the '60's or so, and the 18 month figure has remained remarkably accurate.

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  47. pretty planned out for something that didn't occur by Phil+Urich · · Score: 1

    That seems to happen quite a bit. Okay, I'm going to get modded offtopic, but too bad, these are things that actually matter in life; isn't it interesting how it's the push to go to a further level that often ends with people dissolving relationships entirely (the romantic side of the equation, I mean)?

    I suppose I'm making assumptions I don't really know about your situation, but it does seem to be a motif in life, those final few pushes shake things apart instead of being the final glue. Interesting note on human interaction, is it not?

    [insert snide and dismissive comment on levels of human interaction on slashdot]

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  48. Darn.... by atcurtis · · Score: 1


    Darn... My wife just said that I can't use this to hoard my old PC and electronics magazines under the floorboards...

    **sighs**

    I'm afraid guys... its off to the recycling center.

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    1. Re:Darn.... by ElyseMyers · · Score: 1

      I think its a hoax, with all that hype a few days ago about moore discrediting his own law...

  49. Re:pretty planned out for something that didn't oc by EvilStein · · Score: 1

    Well, yeah. :) The actual planning didn't take a whole long time either. I think that a lot of people have wedding issues when they go for overblown expensive weddings and have family members stepping in to "help plan the wedding." A co-worker of my ex actually *quit her job* to 'plan her wedding.' Yes, she quit a full time job to sit at home and go through wedding planning stuff.. for a wedding that was a year off.

    I avoided that level of insanity. ;)

  50. That this will not receive the publicity the papal by Senor_Programmer · · Score: 1

    transition did is proof positive that newsmen have no souls.

  51. Amazing Stories by Reignking · · Score: 1

    I can't believe no one has made a reference to the Amazing Stories episode with Mark Hamill, when a fairy visited him and told him to keep everything and never throw anything away. His parents threw him out, and he spent his life in a stationwagon until he was ancient, when a man offered to buy his decades-old toys for hundreds of thousands of dollars...

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    1. Re:Amazing Stories by ikkonoishi · · Score: 1

      My take on that story was that he spent the prime of his life sitting around feeling sorry for himself, and only had anything good happen after he was too old to really enjoy it.

  52. That's because they're copies. by jd · · Score: 1
    The headline clearly says this one is the original. :)


    (Alternatively, maybe this one developed AI and hid under the floorboards. After all, it was found, rather than remembered.)


    Seriously, the difference is likely quality (I suspect the edition found is likely to be mint or very close, the versions on e-bay probably aren't) and authentication (e-bay is OK, but if you're throwing $10,000 around, you want to be a little more sure about what you're getting - or if you're getting).

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    1. Re:That's because they're copies. by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 1

      Are you sure it isn't an 'orginal copy'?

      Bah, always hated that phrase.

    2. Re:That's because they're copies. by jd · · Score: 1
      Assuming the master copy has a serial number of 1, the original copy (ie: the first copy ever made) would have a serial number of 2. Any copy after then is merely a clone. :)


      Of course, it is possible that this guy has the original copy. If so, it's worth more than $10,000.

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  53. Re:pretty planned out for something that didn't oc by drudd · · Score: 1

    The reverse is very common as well. My wife and I broke up a week before we got engaged.

    Sometimes you just need something drastic to force the issue one way or the other.

    Doug

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  54. Re:I wonder what he said to his wife afterwards? by antispam_ben · · Score: 3, Funny

    From TFA:

    Mr Clark now intends to use the money to help pay for his daughters' weddings. His wife also has some plans for the cash.

    Yeah, his wife can dream on...

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  55. If you'd read the article, you'd notice... by orichter · · Score: 1

    That he got the magazines from a library which was throwing them out. Why would they want them back (other than to claim the $10000 prize.)

  56. Pack Rat's Law by objekt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Keep something long enough and it will eventually be worth $10,000 to someone.

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  57. OT: Your sig by GTRacer · · Score: 1
    Unless I'm missing some joke somewhere, shouldn't you:

    s/Humously/Humourously/

    Or is "humously" an accepted variation?

    GTRacer
    - Unzipping really big files takes a lot of time...

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    1. Re:OT: Your sig by CableModemSniper · · Score: 1

      assuming i'm not biting anything: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=posthumou s

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    2. Re:OT: Your sig by nacturation · · Score: 1

      You are missing something. :) Check my journal.

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    3. Re:OT: Your sig by badzilla · · Score: 1

      I still don't get it! You obviously already noticed the misspelling in your sig but I still don't see the point. As far as I know "humous" is one of the several alternate spellings meaning a snack made primarily from of mashed chickpeas. I do frequently make my own with garlic and lemon juice - tasty, but what has it got to do with anything on slashdot??

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    4. Re:OT: Your sig by nacturation · · Score: 1

      The misspelling is intentional, but it's not a word on its own. As for what to make of it all, the one guy who posted in my journal wrote a clue for you.

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  58. If only... by ari_j · · Score: 1

    If only he had read the article, he'd know that!

  59. Not amazing at all. by The+Queen · · Score: 1

    I deal with printers and publishers daily. Those places would drown if they saved a copy of everything they ever did. (Digitally OR in print. One year's worth of original layout files for 20-page newspapers is over 3 gig.)

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  60. Hardcopies of slashdot by Herbmaster · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is why I print out hard copies of slashdot every day. I'm waiting to cash in on my original edition of CmdrTaco calling the iPod lame.

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  61. In my house.... by FuzzyDaddy · · Score: 1
    My wife would rather live without a huge pile of magazines for 20 years than have the $10,000.

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  62. Final Value Fees? by ZeeExSixAre · · Score: 1

    Does anybody know if Intel avoided eBay final value fees by bypassing eBay on the want-it-now transaction thing? The want-it-now ad is gone from the eBay site.

  63. Gordon Moore Predicts Mac Mini by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Check out the cartoon at the top of page 116 - it's clearly a Mac Mini form-factor.

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  64. Dirty minded by SeanDuggan · · Score: 1

    Keep something long enough and it will eventually be worth $10,000 to someone.
    Heck, if nothing else, that's probably not too far from the salary for someone like Long Dong Silver... *rimshot* {duck}

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