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Origen 360 Revealed in Less Than 12 Hours
MJXG writes "Gamespot has posted an article related to the adver-teasement Microsoft has set up at Origenxbox360.com. It seems that the counter will be hitting zero in less than 12 hours. It is speculated that once the zero-hour is reached, the site will open up with puzzles and riddles which may give away information or even prizes pertaining to the 360. Also from an article on xbox.ign.com, "In a somewhat shocking discovery, there is a Latin message written into one of the tree's lower branches. To view the message, zoom in a few times on the furthest left root near the bottom of the tree. The message reads 'in hoc spatio arbor noster floruit, fecundus pomis Elysii ignoti, quo in loco ludent electi, ab Originis angelis circumdati'. We consulted the IGN annals of ultimate intelligence and wisdom and came up with the following rough translation: 'In this place may our fertile tree bloom with fruits in strange elysium, where in the place of the chosen, angels surround the origin'." Something big is about to happen."
I'm waiting for Nintendo. Information wants to be teh free.
Oh Lordy, Bill Gates is going to announce he is the new messiah.....
Like Slashdot is about to be spammed?
"Something big is about to happen."
Since when is a MS media campaign something "big"?
I guess no one at Gamespot read that one Slashdot article on how Microsoft is going to spend 100 million on their ad campaign for the X-box 360.
Too bad. One would think that Gamespot would pay more attention to game related news.
Democrats or Republicans. They are both taking us to the same place and they are not afraid of us anymore.
Like, for example, a site or two getting slashdotted?
^I'm with stupid.^
Maybe Slashdot has some latin hidden in its /. logo somewhere...no wonder Slashdot is so popular!
I sell out to The Man every day.
"It's like in chess. First, you strategically position your pieces, and when the timing is right you.. strike. They're using this signal to synchronize their efforts and in approximately, twelve hours ..the countdown will be over. {and then..} Checkmate!"
Somebody better send Jeff Goldblum an Apple mac, quickly.
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I found this online which claims to be a better translation than IGN's.
http://www.livejournal.com/users/edg/520709.html
It's still pretty verbose and awkward. Maybe if I were on pins and needles waiting for this thing I'd be trying to hack the website like all of you.
Retailers must have already known if the release date was in 12 hours. Was it kept a big secret? I can't believe that.
Jesus saved me from my past. He can save you as well.
It's already hit 00:00:00 for me. How old since this article was submitted to /.? And I don't see anything. Maybe it's just FF 1.5B
I'll subscribe to Slashdot when I see a month without a dupe, a typo, or an article the "editors" didn't read.
look:
...slashdot editors...
http://www.origenxbox360.com/
In other news this morning, Slashdot has reportedly provided copious free traffic to three major web advertising presences in one fell swoop. Says one stunned Slashdot reader: "WTF??"
in hoc spatio arbor noster floruit, fecundus pomis Elysii ignoti,
in this place tree our has bloomed rich with-fruits of-the-Elysium unknown
quo in loco ludent electi, ab Originis angelis circumdati
so that this in place could play the-chosen from Origin's angels surrounded
In this place has bloomed our tree, heavy with the fruits of the unknown Elysium, so that the chosen could play in it surrounded by Origin's angels.
Care
"Something Big is Going to Happen."
All we need is a hint of a mystery and the story-creating parts of our mind go into overdrive. What could they be about to announce? How amazing could it be? The answer is, of course, that it's going to be more details to do with the XBox 360. We all know that, and we all know that in the greater scheme of things a more powerful console is to be expected, not a shocking revelation.
But all it takes is a little bit of "What if?" sprinkled around the edges and suddenly people are drawn in, because maybe this time something groundbreaking will happen and they'll be there when it does.
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...somebody at MS cannot code.
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Disclaimer: I work for Sony, blah blah blah.
I find it very intriguing that recently console ads have gone so far off at a mad tangent that they rarely mention consoles at all. Things like the mentioned tree-ad, the older PS2 "Third Place" David Lynch stuff, even my own personal favourite I Am The Wolf Man. I know it's all about brand recognition, getting talked about etc. but it seems like all of this happens at the expense of any sort of substance - none of the ads mentioned above contain any information whatsoever about what the consoles are, what capabilites they claim to have, what kind of games they run, or even who might like them. Just snappy ad-agency ideas to try and get the name stuck in your head...
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I don't know about anyone else but I think I just soiled myself with excitement.
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So this is news reporting marketing that will reveal more marketing in 12 hours. The MS PR agency is cheering, Walter Lippman is crying in his grave.
I shall go and tell the indestructible man that someone plans to murder him.
Something big is about to happen.
Oops. I must have clicked on the ad. Or what is the "news" from Microsoft's PR department doing there?
I don't need a signature.
I just looked at the counter.. 28 minutes to go. Time to see exactly how good Microsofts servers are. 26 minutes till Slashdotting :)
To err is human. To forgive is not company policy.
I sat there and watched it count down to zero, then it jumped back to a five minute countdown. Waited for that to end, then it jumped up to five and a half hours. They could have at least synced the time at startup, not rely on the system clock and time zones. They can't even write decent Flash code :(
I don't see no Latin message anywhere, when I zoom in the tree is just pixelated.
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Something big is about to happen. Yeah, a publicity campaign. Don't get caugth in the hype!
It's an advertisement - just use Adblock in Firefox and it won't be there any more.
Then get on with life.
Nothing to see here.
Gentoo Linux - another day, another USE flag.
I think the IGN folks just joined the likes of the Times, CNN (oh, and our illustrious moderators) in getting news spammed again. There's no Latin in the Flash file, if you go to Origenxbox360.com. If you zoom in, you get the expected pixelated mess that a blown-up raster image embedded in a Flash file results in, not the bumbling screen-shots they have up on their site.
Sorry, but if there's something big coming, it must be the bitch-slapping the IGN idiots will get for trumping up yet another web-screw to the masses. Thanks, guys.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. ~~ Hunter S. Thompson
So why is the filename called "week-5.swf"? (backup jpg is "origen_tease_2_05.JPG")
I went to the website and I couldn't view it -- I clicked on the tree.
It said something about "Macromedia Shockwave Flash".
Running Macromedia's software is against me security policy, so I can't view it. I'd appreciate any reports on what you actually see.
Also, whenever I have a letdown feeling like this (it happens whenever Slashdot posts a stupid slashvertisement from a company I despise, and then links to a useless shockwave flash site), I like to remind myself that at least I'm not Mr. Hands.
In case you are wondering who Mr. Hands is, here you go. [WARNING -- TOTALLY WORK UNSAFE! -- features horse/human intimacy -- this guy died of acute peritonitis after doing stuff like show in the video]
http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/when_to_
I thought this site was straight rip off of Eden until I say the various translations of the message. It seems more like a refernce to Greek mythology or paganism Here's Wikipedia's definition of eysium:
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In Greek mythology, Elysium was a section of the Underworld (the spelling Elysium is a Latinization of the Greek word Elysion). "Elysium is an obscure and mysterious name that evolved from a designation of a place or person struck by lightning, enelysion, enelysios.
Elysium in Neopaganism
Many Neopagans today, particularly Hellenistic neopagans in the United States, have what most would consider a new-age view of Elysium. Elysium is seen as a multi-layered paradise, or Heaven, to many modern neopagans. Some believe that the outer layer of Elysium is composed of great and beautiful fields, often envisioned in imaginative descriptions as having green glowing blades of grass and bubbling springs of glowing water and wine, often made from the nectar of Ambrosia. Beyond the fields of Elysium, reserved only for the most righteous and virtuous, is the Golden City where spirits exist in a state of constant euphoria. Whether or not such beliefs are based in actual mythology often seems rather unimportant to many neopagans. Most claim that old myths are simply mortal accounts and interpretations of the divine, but the same could be argued about any current beliefs regarding Elysium. Much of what many modern neopagans believe today regarding Elysium seems to be borrowed from popular Christian imagery of Heaven.
You say things that offend me and I can deal with it. Can you?
To be perfectly honest... it is a GAME system. It plays GAMES for a few hours of non-reality. It is NOT going to change the world, it is NOT going to make your life better. It WILL suck away more of your money.
It is trully sad to see the state of things to see how people react to a game system that can render fake boobs even nicer.
give us a freaking Keyboard + mouse for ****'s sake!
For those of you wondering about the hidden message, that was only on one of the earlier versions.
P.S. The website just changed again...
Countdown zero, nothing happens...
Think I clicked each pix, but still no response...
I'm using Firefox... maybe that's why I can't get it to work (IF it works) and why I see a Xmas-flavored-red background...
The rabbit ate the fruit!!!!
The rabbit ate the fruit!!!!
I went to the origin of the Xbox 360 site and filled out the forms just as described. Now I'm on my way to get my free Xbox 360! Thank you Microsoft! I will be sure to pass on the relevant information to my friends and relatives.
Small potatoes make the steak look bigger.
one of those signals for the terrorist "sleeper cells" to strike!
It's a countdown timer!
Microsoft is Al Qaeda, and Bill is Osama!
Everybody run for your lives!
i hate pansy republicans
Perhaps the key point is Origen of Alexandria's self-castration -- _that's_what's going to happen to the lucky subscribers.
Either that or we'll be tortured in our old age. On the other hand, perhaps the name was chosen without any background knowledge: "A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring" . . .
This is so much hype. Look at all the pathetic little MS fan boys running around, looking at throw-away hidden messages that are about as pretentious as they come and about as profound as the piece of shit 360 is going to be. Fuck, they're not even releasing the thing in 12 hours they're just opening a website about releasing it and people are flocking. Any product with this much PR bull shit around it has got to be a flop.
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A countdown to September 27th, 2005, noon?
Well, I suppose it's worthwhile enough to have a countdown to the 100th anniversary of the publication date of "Does the Inertia of a Body Depend Upon Its Energy Content?"
I am getting the latin text when I zoon in on I.E, but not with firefox, In both cases the counters are now on 0.
Come as you are, do what you must, be who you will.
"Running Macromedia's software is against me security policy, so I can't view it. I'd appreciate any reports on what you actually see. "
Well, for once the slashdot summary WAS accurate. Something along the lines of "nothing to see here, move along."
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Someone is smoking some heavy things at microsoft...
The average player of Console games has no idea what a texel even _is_. Anyone geeky enough to actually be interested in pipeline count and bandwidth can go look it up easily, but for the majority of people these numbers mean nothing - and with the architectures being so different, there's no easy way to really compare the systems anyway.
All next-gen systems will "Look Really Pretty" and have "Games That Are Fun" - more than that passes straight over people's heads.
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An article about a website, without actually adding the link in the article. Yep, this must be slashdots finest editors at work.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
in hoc spatio arbor noster floruit, fecundus pomis Elysii ignoti, quo in loco ludent electi, ab Originis angelis circumdati. Equates to... "In this space we advertise another bloated unsecured product our coders and management have rushed to market. (And yes they rushed it!) This product full of holes and incompatibilities. Yet the brave mass of imbecile's shall buy it anyway. We shall trick the public into mass counter hits for massive Advertising Budgets so we can get more money to make more products that are full of holes and then we shall patch them when the masses find out what a terrible bloated product we really have." Yes indeed something big is about to happen. However it is not from Micro$uX.
It's live now, a tree full of flags!
it went live at noon GMT. If your clock showed a countdown ending in some hours that is due to the countdown being linked to the clock of your PC.
Apparently Origen is a european only event anyway. The site is a promotion and little quiz with tickets for Origen to be won.
Microsoft = lame.
Before you guys go hammering the site with entries, note that the contest is only open to European residents.
yeah... that and 2 rabbits... fat and small working out.....
...with the sun on your face, do not be troubled. For you are in elysium, and you are already dead!
perhaps the ori are making him into a prior? ....
think of the facts - evil incarnate , origin ,
Looks like the sort of generic boiler plate text that many web developers use when they want text appearing to demonstrate content but want to ensure that the text has no real content which might annoy the client or seem flippant. Why on earth /.'s editors have decided that has some sort of significance is beyond imagining.
so... anyone know what Origen is?
If this is Microsoft's idea of "Something Big" then I fear the x360 is going to be a little underwhelming.
To err is human. To forgive is not company policy.
Isn't that kind of redundant when the subscriber is an Xbox fan in the first place?
Entrants must be residents of the UK, Ireland, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, the Netherlands, Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden, Belgium, Switzerland, Austria, Portugal or Greece and aged 18 or over. Winners may be required to provide proof of age and address.
The two prizes consist of a one person trip to an event celebrating the launch of Xbox 360 in the United States for three nights in November 2005 (valued at approximately £3,000/4,500). Exact dates to be confirmed by 1 November 2005.
This is pseudo latin dummy text. Learn all about it and generate your own here:
http://www.lipsum.com/
It's just marketing.
The least slashdot could do is get a kickback.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
Gates is not a prior. It is far worse. Gates is like anubis was, half ascended, yet still among the living.
This origen nonsense has to be stopped or we all be doomed. The more little gamer minds (pun intended) they brainwash, the more powerfull they get. We must stop them now before it is to late. We need SG-1 to save our planet once more!
I think I figured it out, Set the clock to wednesday (thats what i did) and refresh, you get http://home.earthlink.net/~derekstrough/pictures/o rigen.JPG
The bottom left link goes to xbox360.com - I guess its the revealing of something on xbox360.com, which is currently blank (for me)
Once you answer the 'challenging' questions you are asked to fill out a form for a chance to win - unless you're an EU citizen, don't bother. Not open to North American residents.
One hour after this post and it's live. Way to go, /.
:P
As others have said -- it's a European competition to win tickets to "an event celebrating the launch of Xbox 360 in the United States for three nights in November 2005". Seems to be in four stages (2 tickets for every bunch of fruit). There's also a funky video explaining "What is Origen" which seems to back up the Latin hyperbole.
Good luck anyone who enters -- now, update the article!
"Frag the weak, hurdle the dead, and assassinate those cursed snipers."
So many comments on this, on a geek forum like Slashdot, and not a single reference to the Book of Origin.
;)
I could see Bill as a Prior, couldn't you?
I don't know if it's just me that has such a jaundiced mind but the only thing this announcement inspired from me was a knowing groan.
Ripping an new rectum in the fabric of spacetime.
.... what to put in the tie breaker. The very problem it poses makes me feel slightly nauseous.
"Xbox 360 is the best thing since... "
Since what? I have no idea, nobody's played one yet!
Call me when Halo 3 is released for the damn thing. Then I'll consider it.
I'm a fanboy, but I'm right.
bah.
Can you say consumer whore? I know I can.
...the sound of millions of slashdotters around the world not giving a hoot.
Why be quick to upload a virus?? I really do not get it. Why upload a virus to a Microsoft system?
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in the javascript is a function launchHalo2Compc ountry=uk :(
that leads to
https://www.origenxbox360.com/Halo2/default.aspx?
which does not work btw
(gives xml errors but shows form)
not sure what country should be set to, tried a few things.
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i just took this online test at the origen360 website, and tried the "tell your friends about this" thing. i have no friends so i had it sent to another email adress of mine:
the contest is about being among the first people to test the xbox360 in a "secret place", thats what you can win.
thats what it's all about?
parr
Entrants must be residents of the UK, Ireland, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, the Netherlands, Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden, Belgium, Switzerland, Austria, Portugal or Greece and aged 18 or over. Winners may be required to provide proof of age and address.
That poor bunny is stuck in a infinite loop.
Personally, I'm glad Slashdot had a blurb pointing to the Origen site - I've never heard of the site before, the site will provide some entertainment as I watch it grow, and I'm enjoying the Slashdot discussion. Besides, the Xbox360 has been so well covered, and will continue to be well covered, that everyone on Slashdot is pretty familiar with the Xbox360 as it is.
You have a choice - believe in Origen or die.
Hallowed are the Ori!
Is this somehow referring to a SG-1 X-box game?
Slashdot's rate-of-post filter: Preventing you from posting too many great ideas at once.
No offense, but isn't Microsoft a primarily American company? so why isn't there an American flag on that 'flag tree'? Perhaps they're trying to tailor to the Brits with this very Monty Python-esque website. Did they higher a few people to go smoke some reef and do a marketing plan? Seriously, psychodelic music, bunnies and rabbit holes, party video thing, glittery flag tree. Somebody didn't have their head on straight.
" Something big is about to happen."
...Bill Gates reveals he truly is satan?
Something big is about to happen.
And I, for one, couldn't give less of a crap.
God is real unless declared integer.
Quick, someone get Teal'c!
Media that can be recorded and distributed can be recorded and distributed.
-kfg
Sounds very Stargate-ish to me. Perhaps a Prior is coming to earth? Is Bill Gates a member of the Ori?
"Hallowed are the children of the Ori"
Its already worked, xbox360 launch is going to be like psx2 launch. If you want an xbox360 when it comes out for at launch, you should get one now. You won't be able to find the next month.
Have you ever been to a turkish prison?
This is Microsoft we are talking about, once the counter hits zero I'd give it another year or two...
... it'll be an xbox game simulating a virtual Segway.
- First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then ???, then profit.
All green of skin... 800 centuries ago, their bodily fluids include the birth of half-breeds. For the fundamental truth self-determination of the cosmos, for dark is the suede that mows like a harvest.
Curiosity was framed. Ignorance killed the cat.
Its almost 11am AST (or just before 7am PST) and I am able to get in....
Maybe they'll announce a revolutionary new controller ;)
"Something big is about to happen"
FFS, it's an advert for a game console. Slightly cleverer than your average "buy our product" advert, but an advert all the same. In what twisted world is that something big or newsworthy?
Originis is the genitive singular of origo, originis (meaning self-evident). So the line really should be:
A few more points to consider:
Non decus est ut ignorantes scribent quod non intellegendum est et ab se ipsis.
It seems that the only way for Microsoft to gain supremecy in the console gaming market is to give a bajilloin Xbox 360's away. They can inflate their numbers of sales the first quarter for all these giveaways by marking them down as $0 sales. They'll point to that number and inflate their stock price, while trying to keep hidden that they are still losing money to date each and every quarter in their entertainment division.
Perhaps eventually people will realize that updated versions of the same games isn't all that exciting (see Nintendo for experience in that), or that there are only a couple handfuls of games available, or that realistic shooters isn't the only type of game that is fun.
Not trying to sound like a downer for the Xbox 360. I'm sure that for what games come out they will look fabulous. I'm just thinking that people should wait and actually see the competition (Sony's and Nintendo's offerings) before passing judgment that Xbox 360 is best. (and...ahem...Halo doesn't make Xbox best)
Auribus teneo lupum....
It looks like all of this build up has been for a contest that is "a one person trip to an event celebrating the launch of Xbox 360 in the United States for three nights in November 2005"
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https://www.origenxbox360.com/FactorFiction/Terms
Since when did Slashdot become a pressrelease institution? I see more and more non news like this. Where are the gritty details and the interesting news? The only thing in Xbox that interets me is the DRM part wich never get mentioned.
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...a BSOD!
xRemote! You can move it in 360 degrees or insert it into a regular controller. In other news, Nintendo has a hissy fit.
F The President
Seditiously,
Kilgore Trout, Ph.D.
There was a tree with a bunch of flags on, clicking on one of the flags switched to a tree with some fruit on, and two rabbits in front. The rabbits talked a bunch back and forth, indicating that various fruit will become "ripe" at various times. One piece of fruit was "ripe" now, could be clicked on, the smaller of the rabits went over to eat that piece of fruit, and it was possible to enter into a guessing game about XBox360 (what's true and what's rumours). If you answer three questions correctly you can enter into some kind of sweepstakes. You can enter into the sweepstakes several times (up to 9) by referring friends to enter the contest (you get an extra chance for each friend.)
All of the above was done with flash and fancy graphical effects.
Eivind.
Doubting the existence of evolution is like doubting the existence of China: It just shows that you're uninformed.
Wouldn't be the first time. Wasn't it Microsoft who had an ad campaign that featured Mozart's Requiem, and the lyrics in the ad were "Confutatis maledictis, flammis acribus addictis", which translates to "The accursed are confounded, and cast into the flames of Hell"?
Just junk food for thought...
Microsoft bought an advertorial with IGN. IGN then bought an advertorial on slashdot to help juice up their referrals even more. So yeah, I agree. Hardly big news. Pay-for-hype.
Seth
$5 / month hosted VPS on linux = awesome!
...maybe...
-everphilski-
All the way to the left, third from the top.
Its not just bad. Its impressively bad. Its not the content though, its the design. To start you are presented with a tree with a bunch of flags on it. It turns out this is a Europe only contest and you are supposed to choose a country, but since they dont tell you that, I assumed I was choosing language and selected the Brittish flag. Sloppy.
I don't think they're giving us enough information.
( c. 185- c. 254), Christian scholar and theologian, probably born in Alexandria, Egypt. His most well-known work was the Hexapla, an edition of the Old Testament with six or more parallel versions.
"Origen" is also the name of a 3rd Century theologian who castrated himself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origen#Character
OMG Its full of stars!
Once again slashdot forgot to link what the article is actually about. While this is a minor annoyance this time since the address is there but not hyperlinked, it's still a dick move. Thanks editors, I clicked both the GS and the IGN before I actually reached the site.
Hey, it's my OPINION that dogs have eight legs and make a sound like a car horn every time they take a piss.
... salute you, o unoriginial megacorp. I never understood these kinds of mystery game/hype/advertisment-really back in Halo's day. This is about as equally original. Oh yeah, something really big is about to us inhabitants of this Planet Earth,,, not.
Well, the tree ad with the druggie rabbits appeared to be trying to wave around some sort of quiz about what the 360's capabilities were, "can you separate truth from rumor" or some such. Which, yes, has informational content, even if conveyed by Socratic method.
John Wanamaker's ghost is still laughing.
//Information does not want to be free; it wants to breed.
'In this place may our fertile tree bloom with fruits in strange elysium, where in the place of the chosen, angels surround the origin'." Something big is about to happen.
All hail the Ori!
The Christian theologer Origen castrated himself and so became a eunuch.
And I'm sure Microsoft know the jokes comparing UNIX and enuchs.
Andrew Yeomans
I think they would have gained much more community credentials and facvor in the long run if the phrase would have been Latin for "All your base are belong to us." This stuff they put up there comes across as trite
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-shpoffo
Did anyone else realize that you can't enter the competition on that site if you're in the US. It seems to be targeted only at Europe.
According to the fountain of knowledge which is Wikipedia, in greek mythology The Elysian fields were the final resting place of the souls of the heroic and the virtuous. So, I would imagine that this will function as a kind of scoreboard portal to Xbox Live, where if you're the best 10 people in the world in Halo 3 for example, you get to have your name and possibly pic up for the world to see. That's my guess anyway.
--The universe will not be altered by forum threads, even those which are very wry. --Tycho Brahe (Penny Arcade)
From the terms and conditions:
"Entrants must be residents of the UK, Ireland, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, the Netherlands, Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden, Belgium, Switzerland, Austria, Portugal or Greece and aged 18 or over. Winners may be required to provide proof of age and address."
Hallowed are the Redmondi.
"Be sure to drink your Ovaltine."
Son of a...
I for one welcome our new Bunny overlordz..blah blah blah
Oh, shut up and go and change your armor.
Anybody notice the sexual suggestions in the video?
The count-down timer was linked to your computer's clock. Bump your clock ahead a bit and you could have seen the content early.
Something big is about to happen.
Hmm, let me guess... Xbox 360 is going to be released soon. That wasn't so hard. Next!
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I think what they meant to say was "Nosterium futurum dispudet" in english "Our future, it is a great shame" My latin is not so hot, please correct me if you can, I want to hang it as a banner over the arts and literature wing of the university near me. Damn hippie art students, yeah i want fries with that... EosDominus
How the heck is the parent post +4 Informative? Funny, yes. Informative, no. Meta mod down the guy who thought it was informative.
If it's that much work to find out about a SuperSpecialSecret game system, screw it. I want my tech where I can see it, dammit! I'd just imagine spending my precious brain power to 'solve' some unsatisfying and stupid puzzles only to reveal a stinking pile at the end. No thanks.
"Something big is about to happen."
Whatever.
_____ There seems no plan because it is all plan. -- C.S. Lewis