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Laser Etching a Laptop
ptorrone writes "I didn't really plan using a $20,000 laser cutter on my 17" PowerBook to etch a 19th-century engraving of a tarsier, a nocturnal mammal related to the lemur (also the vi book cover), but it seemed like it had to done. The results are stunning..."
The CEO was using it to clean under his fingernails of course.
Someone save me from this sanity.
Why not choose the tiger from this O'reailly book??t ml
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/mactigerpg/index.h
Would have made more sense to me anyway.
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It's a good thing that those Tarsiers are mainly insectivorous and do not eat Apples! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarsier
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How much effort would it take to convert an epilog laser printer into a high-powered moonraker? :P
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Why didn't he use a sheep?
...Is it just me or is O'Reilly trying to show us what geeks are going to evolve into?
You see, that's nothing. In my days, we used the bottom of tea mugs to etch random abstract art! Usually, the result was a series of displaced rings.
The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
the best way to etch any apple is of course to throw some dirt at it
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Because this is the CEO.
If only one of his coworkers would of switched the image with "hello.jpg"
Why didn't you etch his Noodliness, the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
Fitzhon
No need. If the image was originally published before 1923 then it's public domain, and can be used for any purpose, commercial or non-commercial, without having to pay anything or credit anyone.
-- Help Digitise the Public Domain at DP.
A laptop with large identifying markings is less likely to be stolen.
...voided?
security
Godfather always wins
The grass is always greener on the other side of the light cone.
Just think: you won't have to invite girls back to your place to view your etchings.
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you realize that hello.jpg is the filename for the goatse guy ...
Just imagine it, etching a goatse, with the apple in the middle.
it was done on this notebook because it just looks so much cooler on the off-white powerbook.
Didn't see any mention of cost. What are the chances of Squid Labs offering it as a commerical service for Apple/laptop owners in general? If I had a powerbook, I sure would be interested in getting this done.
Never looked so cool.
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O'Reilly has more of a clue than most companies. I suspect that they are sitting back and thinking that they just got free advertisement and will have more as the laptop gets exposed.
Kind of like all the penguins that everybody is selling for Xmas. That will help Linux as most will think that Tux looks similar.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
A tiny Tux? Or even better, some weird flying windows? Or an "Intel Inside" logo. You'd get some funny looks for that.
She: Hey, are you a traitor? Me: No, I'm atheist.
I like it, and since apple only has one case for the powerbooks, one like that is sure to turn heads.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liger
-everphilski-
liger. It's pretty much my favorite animal.
For one, a laser capable of cutting metal generaly won't be used for etching, and a laser designed for etching won't be able to cut easily.
I know $20k seems like a lot of money for a machine to slashdotters, a $20k laser system won't be cutting, IIRC, laser cutters go around $200k and up. $20k is mid-to low end for laser etchers though. I considered financing a $10k etcher, but I didn't know how I could make it pay for itself, unlike the techies and investors in the '90s bubble, I wanted a good business model to justify spending money.
Love this line from TFA: The laser cutter uses Corel Draw, which is kinda cute.
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Oh you would, would you?
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The Gnu is clearly the superior image. What type of primitive being would use anything represented by a big-eyed, butt scratching monkey?
:) (or should that be :q? Damn. I can never remember ;))
Also: The Gnu could crush your monkey.
I'm somehow reminded of Napoleon Dynamite.
Dear Sirs,
I'm most interested in having my laptop etched. Where do I order from, how much is it, and what are the terms/conditions for getting my machine to you and back again.
Most Sincerely,
James D. Geek aka eyepeepackets aka Marspoet
Seriously though, I will buy this service for my Sager laptop in a fraction of a mouse's heartbeat, so bring it on!
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Yeah, so do I. Oh wait: MAKE comes from O'Reilly, the Publisher of Record for geeks and tech enthusiasts everywhere.
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...would that void the warranty? Or, if it did infact break, would they just give it to him with some 'mad props?
Tattooed PowerBooks might become the new thing. I'd put a camel on mine, or probably any number of things. It's definately a cool idea.
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If you're going to all that trouble you might as well make it worthwhile!
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its been done before http://www.etchamac.com/powerbook.php/ i saw these guys at the mac expo in boston in the summer, the finished product is amazing
Obviously, the animal to engrave using a laser would be a friggin shark.
What is better for identifying an item as yours? A tiny serial number laser-etched somewhere inconspicuous, or a huge lemur on the case that is not easily scratched out? It'd be cool if Apple were to see this and offer custom laser etchings on all of their notebooks.
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I have a feeling they are okay with it, plus the burned image is derived from the original, not from O'Reilly. I'm not sure that you read the article at all.
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rendered unsellable. I hope the owner wants it for life.
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1) Guy wants picture from vi book on notebook
2) goes to some lab where they have a machine to do it
3) copyrights free image is imported into Coreldraw
4) Laptop is etched
5) picture is on laptop
PS: what is wrong with slashdot? I have to sign in constantly...
PS2:
6) ???
7) profit!!!!
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is it just me or does it look like the tarsier is looking away in the last (different lighting) photo of TFA?!
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I think it's actually a pretty cool idea. Even if a person had a $20k machine, if they charged someone $100 just to tatoo their laptop with their favorite image, they would have it paid for only after 200 customers, which I'm sure there are at least 200 geeks out there willing to shell out a hundred bucks to have their favorite image etched on their little portable. Kudos for that idea.
What resale value? Used Powerbooks aren't worth much anyway since the Intel announcement.
I too have felt the cold finger of injustice.
Laser etching for your mac. I saw this linked in another post and am now considering it.
One more piece of trivia: the cover page woodcut animals featuring in front of the OReilly books are from the Dover Pictorial Archives. It is a collection of 18th to 19th century wood and copperplate engravings of animals, ie no copyright issue to care about... In fact, the students in my former research group get used to choose one from the archive as well as a decoration for their own thesis. Many university/art school libraries have that collection. Feel free to use them when need a drawing of some cute animal.
http://www.oreilly.com/news/lejeune_0400.html
If he's done, can we now mount it on a dolphin, please?
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Or rather, what is the license for repurposing the art on those book covers? The article doesn't mention it... does anyone on /. happen to have a copy of O'Reilly's Learning the VI Editor????
On a sidenote... shouldn't he have chosen EMacs instead?
Also if the art is not CC or Copy Left or some other open license, is this a good example of fair use rights, as long as it's for your own personal use?
A fool throws a stone into a well and a thousand sages can not remove it.
Well the versalaser stuff is now going for < USD8K
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Old review:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1360231,00.a
I'm sure people have already been making money with it for years since it first came out. There's plenty you can do with such systems.
Normal laser printers used to be really expensive and they were still economically viable.
Well, the story is on MakeZine.com which is owned by O'Reilly, so I think they're safe on that front. Kinda also explains the choice of an O'Reilly cover image too.
HAWT
Powerbook tattoo!
Yes, that's 100% correct. Of course the magazines use lithography, where a rubber-faced sheet of about 44" x 60" is fastened over a rotating drum (this is called a press blanket). The metal plate is inked and the blanketed drum rolls over it, transferring an inked negative of the plate to the blanket. The blanket then rolls against the paper that is being fed through the press so that negative on the blanket gets transferred to the paper as a positive.
Each color of ink is applied separately with a separate plate- cyan, magenta, yellow, black, and then usually a glossy coating. Sometimes special metallic colors are applied in subsequent press units. So, you would never put the whole lemur like they did on one plate unless it was a black-and-white printing. This was a very SMALL plate laser etcher as magazines are pretty small and do not run on standard presses, which are about 40-48" wide and print things such as cereal boxes, beer cases, and the like.
Just "gittin-r-done," day after day.
Not only does O'Reilly have more than half a clue and would more than likely have agreed to it, but they don't even hold any damn copyright on the Tarsier image as it's a XIXth century engraving...
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who is amused by the fact that he has to use an old PC based laptop to actually operate the laser (I'm assuming they operating software was not available for OS X. I guess it would have been hard to etch the laptop while you were using it anyway.
I have to give them props on the concept, but couldn't they have chosen a more appropriate design? The problem with the powerbook lid is that the Apple logo in the middle is the most prominent thing and is right in the middle, so you need a design that will compliment it, and will maintain some sort of symetry. The lemur, or whatever it is, makes the thing look "right heavy" and is a complete non-sequitor to the apple.
It is on the http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/unixnut4/index.html book cover as well.
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I hope they got permission from O'Reilly to do this?!
You know things have gone down the crapper when people wonder about the legality of engraving a nifty picture on their own laptop. I mean, it's not like he's selling them.
there is a great big difference between leds and fans and fans with leds and UV-reactive everything that lights up to the beat of whatever music you're playing and a somewhat discrete (in comparison) engraving of an animal on the top plate. It doesn't interfere with anything, it makes the computer a tad more personal. And the actual engraving is beautiful (at least in my opinion --but I'm a vi person...)
O'Reilly chooses out of copyright images for their books. That way, they don't have to pay for rights, and can still have a rather consistent visual style. Just goes to show you that Tim O'Reilly does have a clue.
Sorry, you're totally wrong. I hate slashdot: people post what sounds like authoritative information and it's modded to 5 regardless of its accuracy.
My company has a laser cutter that I use frequently. I have used it for both cutting and etching. You can adjust its power output over about a 2-order-of-magnitude range. Depending on the material, some power levels etch and others cut.
There's no such thing as a "cutting" vs "etching" laser. The laser's effect depends on the material. The same power setting that etches acrylic will cut cardboard. The same setting that etches metal will cut acrylic.
I'd be worried about putting my laptop in there. For one thing, CNC machines are made to handle solid chunks of metal, not delicate electronics, so they tend to jerk things around a lot. I would be affraid of my HD crashing. Also, CNC machines tend to be filled with, and generate, lots of metal dust, which does not make electronics happy.
Let's see: 24 month ROI target, need $5k profit a year = $96 per week. Figure about 30% overhead, we want $150 per week in revinue. Given that it can be used for a lot more than laptop etching, it sounds reasonable as an added feature to a copy center or a trophy store.
The disappointing thing about the article was that it didn't give any technical details on how they did it -- what settings they used on the laser cutter, power levels, etc. It's too bad, because these cutters aren't exactly hard to find (and relatively cheap if they're actually only $20k; that's less than a good vertical mill), if they had given the right info you could go to any machine shop that does a lot of prototyping and have them do it. Assuming it's not some sort of special feature of that particular model laser cutter that they're using.
But since they didn't give the settings for the cutter, I think you'd be taking a big risk at most shops since those machines are mostly used (in my experience) not for etching or engraving but for cutting, and you might end up with your Powerbook having a cool new form factor when you were done.
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Highly detailed image, well rendered, not at all garish, animal has geek significance... sublime.
;-) I smell a home business opportunity...
Perfect case mode for an Apple - it adds to it without really changing the essense of the Apple design or detracting from it.
Anybody know where to get one of those lasers used?
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You can do it... see http://www.engravingsys.com/versalaser.htm
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Some time ago I bought a book of copyright free images. I was surprised to find that most of the O'Reilly animal images were part of it.
O'Reilly acknowledges that they are public domain in this page:
While looking for imagery, she came across the Dover Pictorial Archives, a series of books (and now CD-ROMs) containing copyright-free collections of 18th- and 19th-century wood and copperplate engravings of animals. She encountered a pair of slender lorises and had an epiphany. "That's sed and awk!"
So what were you planning when you placed your 17" Powerbook in the $20,000 laser cutter?
That does mean that O'Reilly really is smart.
Sadly, The fact that companies can make use of old material, really shows the power of having expiring copyrights/patents.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
With Eve handing Adam an Apple, and the snake slithering around the perimeter. Way cool!
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I have an Apple sticker on my SUV. I voted for Bush twice and would do so again. I had clunky late-80's style horn rim glasses until my wife made me get metrosexual titanium wire rims a couple of years ago. Most of what resides on my iPod is 70's/80's rock and bluegrass. I read alternative news, it's true, but on instapundit.com and freerepublic.com. I don't think that is what you had in mind.
Some clique, eh?
Too much Law; not enough Order.
If he really wanted a security etching, he would have used the goatse guy. Who would want to steal a laptop with THAT on the case?!
I think it looks gay.
How do you figure out that this particular tarsier is gay? I couldn't even tell if it was a boy or a girl, personally.
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they do (did?) for ipods. you could get an ipod customized with a engraving on the back. but i guess that's kind of dumb really as most ipods sit in a case or something. but they did at one time. it was like a $20 add on feature. I guess you have to have a metal case for a laptop which is seldom the case except for the PB's. every other laptop, dell, gateway, et al., all have plastic.
My problem? I was perfectly gruntled, until some numbnuts came by and dissed me.
I'd be worried about putting my laptop in there. For one thing, CNC machines are made to handle solid chunks of metal, not delicate electronics, so they tend to jerk things around a lot. I would be affraid of my HD crashing. Also, CNC machines tend to be filled with, and generate, lots of metal dust, which does not make electronics happy.
Not all CNC machines cut metal, or make chips and dust. Yes, CNC mills do, but this is actually a CNC Laser Engraver. They make no dust, and the laptop sits still. The Laser is mounted on a moving rail above the platform. If you've seen a flatbed pen plotter, this works in the same fashion. As the head moves across the rail, the laser zaps small dots (burn marks) onto the surface. After it has completed each pass, the rail moves down to the next row and the process is repeated.
It is cool and you'll likely find one in a local trophy shop. Bring your art along in a common format (usually TIF, EPS, DXF, AI... NOT JPG) and they'll import it and burn. I'm sure they will look at you funny and give you the old "we ain't never done no computer before" line.
Place nail here >+
what about a 'liger'?
half lion, half tiger.....
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ivan256 wrote: Also: The Gnu could crush your monkey
Not unless your Gnu can climb or fly up into 100 foot trees it won't.
Ever see a Gnu they weight upwards of 600lbs. Has 4 hooves and
no opposable thumbs and cannot climb trees let alone river banks.
It might have a chance if it looks like RMS however.
I have an Apple sticker on my SUV.
It's the combination of VW Beetle and Apple sticker. GP is correct.
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The machine he used to do this is actually really cool. Basically an old-fashioned plotter with a medium power laser attached to it. Actually the first laser engravers were modified Roland plotters that someone decided to bolt a laser onto. Cool hack if there ever was one.
:) I'm thinking maybe engraving an image of a Commodore 64 or maybe a VAX logo into it would be good..... or possibly just "DON'T TOUCH!" in 4 inch high letters. :)
I've been a programmer for ten years, but recently invested in one of these machines as a bit of a sideline. I couldn't resist having my own laser.. now if only I could get shark-mounted ones then I would be really happy!!
I haven't been brave enough to put my laptop into the machine, but maybe now I'll try.
Another thing that looks great to run through a laser engraver are regular computer cases. The laser basically vaporizes the powder coat on the case, leaving bare metal for a really high-contrast effect. Our company, INSIGNO http://www.insigno.ca/ (shameless plug) has done a couple of these for casemodders and they looked really great when they were done.
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My neighbour has this laser rig, and he uses it to engrave *and* cut wood and metal. See www.mosquitobiteplanes.com for results.
Why is this newsworthy? My high school had a laser cutter/engraver (similar to the one in the article, but much larger and more powerful).
We used it to cut/engrave all kinds of crap. Wood works well, as does acrylic (but not polycarbonate). Anodized aluminum works well, too.
Apple should toss the etched image of Steve Jobs on the cover for an additional $50, maybe a few others of interest. I predict at least 100,000 additional sales of Etched custom orders from the Apple store in the first three months.
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Big deal. In the 80s you could achieve a similar effect by leaving your green mono monitor on, pulling up the graphic of choice, and leaving it on for a few hours. Granted, it was on the wrong side...
Not very creative. I would have done an image of Eve holding the apple (logo).
Your wife makes you do things? Yep, definitely a red-stater.
I have an Apple sticker on my foreign sports car. I think Bush is way too left-wing liberal for my liking, so I have never voted for him. I own three Macs at present, only because I recently sold two. My iPod is filled with bluegrass, celtic, polkas, and big band music (WW2 era). I like alternative news also. WorldNewsDaily is a favorite. My Apple sticker used to be next to a Buchanan for President (2000) sticker, then next to a Peroutka for President (http://www.godfamilyrepublic.com/)(2004) sticker. I am religious. I am pro-life. I have a large family. We have five iPods in my large family. My kids love their Mac mini. I am sure I defy any stereotype!
You need to be beaten with your own shows and have that computer taken away from you. The idea of etching is cool but did you have to etch a picture of Bill Gates on the back of your 'book? LOL http://www.kennethstillmanvideo.com/
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