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Search Engines Breed Worthless 'Original Content'?

Carl Bialik writes to tell us the Wall Street Journal has an interesting look at how search engines and original content are affecting the quality of the web. From the article: "If there is a topic in the news, people will be searching on it. If you can get those searchers to land on a seemingly authoritative page you've set up, you can make money from their arrival. Via ads, for instance. Then, to get your site ranked high in search engines, it's best to have "original content" about whatever the subject of your site happens to be. The content needs to include all the keywords that people might search for. But it can't be just an outright copy of what's on some other site; you get penalized for that by search engines."

218 comments

  1. The internet breeds worthless content by BannedfrompostingAC · · Score: 1

    'Nuff said.

    1. Re:The internet breeds worthless content by rootofevil · · Score: 1

      Its a matter similar to the difference between commercial and F/OSS software - but slightly different in that a lot of the content someone didnt get paid to make is of basically no value.

      The cathedral and the bizarre, if you will. *rimshot*

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    2. Re:The internet breeds worthless content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...like your comment.

    3. Re:The internet breeds worthless content by wondafucka · · Score: 1

      It sounds a lot like Television to me.

    4. Re:The internet breeds worthless content by Doug+Neal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      People breed worthless content. I say kill everyone, preferably at birth. That should improve the signal to noise ratio considerably :D

  2. Long overdue mod down coming... by GeneralEmergency · · Score: 1, Insightful


    -A-ffecting not -E-ffecting.

    Grrrrr..

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    1. Re:Long overdue mod down coming... by meringuoid · · Score: 1

      Actually, I would say that search engines might well be effecting the content of the web. Had there been no Yahoo! back in the day, would the Web have taken off the way it did? Without search engines would we still be all on USENET and gopherspace?

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    2. Re:Long overdue mod down coming... by dink353 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      It could be just me, but there doesn't seem to be that much modding today at all, so you might be gettin' off scott free

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    3. Re:Long overdue mod down coming... by cperciva · · Score: 1

      Search engines may be effecting the quantity of the web, but they are certainly affecting the quality of the web. The WWW would be nowhere near as large as it is without search engines; but the content which existed would probably be of a higher quality.

    4. Re:Long overdue mod down coming... by vertinox · · Score: 1

      This is the internet we are talking about. You have to have a lowercase i or e infront of everything.

      Like eFecting or iFecting.

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    5. Re:Long overdue mod down coming... by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

      Or iNfecting

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    6. Re:Long overdue mod down coming... by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      Sorry. You've assummed that english, and english speakers and writers, follows a strict set of rules. It doesn't.

      If enough people use effecting in the sense that they previously would have use affecting, then effecting will mean affecting, and it is no longer "wrong" to use 'effect' in this way.

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    7. Re:Long overdue mod down coming... by kabz · · Score: 1

      I'm in Gooberspace now !!!

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    8. Re:Long overdue mod down coming... by FrostyWheaton · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I find it ironic that the fellow with reference to 'maths' in his id and .sig is lecturing another pedant on the inevetability of semantic drift.

      As for the subject at hand: I refuse to make excuses for people too lazy to speak or write correctly. Two words have been established, 'affect' and 'effect' and they have different meanings. Using one word in place of the other is either ignorance or apathy. And you know the difference between ignorance and apathy right?

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    9. Re:Long overdue mod down coming... by susano_otter · · Score: 0, Troll

      This kinda sounds like an excuse to be ignorant. "Sure I could learn proper grammar and spelling, and develop a large and useful vocabulary, but why bother? If I can convince enough people to keep fucking up the language, y'all'll just make a rule that the fuckup is the right way."

      The evolution of language over time may be an interesting phenomenon for smarty men to study, but I would prefer that children were required to learn, respect, and apply the standards of clear communication in effect today.

      Only people who have mastered the current ruleset should be given a free pass to break the rules.

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    10. Re:Long overdue mod down coming... by droptone · · Score: 1

      You do know irony is not situational right...? Via Wikipedia "Irony is best known as a figure of speech (more precisely called verbal irony) in which there is a gap or incongruity between what a speaker or a writer says, and what is understood." Formally situations cannot be ironic, so Miss Morissette is incorrect. And you too, at least perscriptively (which is the position you seem to take), are wrong. Please fix your English. Thank you.

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    11. Re:Long overdue mod down coming... by Skreems · · Score: 1

      While this is true, the actual mechanism of a "grammar shift", as far as it is understood, is much more a very wide-spread sudden change, rather than people gradually becoming too lazy to remember which word is what. Also, they almost never combine two words into one (affect/effect becoming interchangeable) but rather alters the context of a word ("Bob likes Jane" 600 years ago meant what "Jane likes Bob" means today).

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    12. Re:Long overdue mod down coming... by Random_Goblin · · Score: 1

      Only people who have mastered the current ruleset should be given a free pass to break the rules.
      well said sir , well said.

    13. Re:Long overdue mod down coming... by Saanvik · · Score: 1
      Six year old children are masters of English grammar.

      The error above is one of spelling, not of grammar. The defense of the spelling error also is not a defense of bad grammar, it's a defense of bad spelling.

    14. Re:Long overdue mod down coming... by andy_shepard · · Score: 1

      Please fuck off and die painfully, ignorant lackwit. People like you are destroying the utility of the English language.

    15. Re:Long overdue mod down coming... by susano_otter · · Score: 1

      Where did I say it was a grammatical error?

      You write quite well for someone whose reading comprehension seems to be so fundamentally lacking.

      Also, six year olds are not masters of English grammar. Or do you have a statistically-valid sample of six year olds who can correctly describe the rules for making contrafactual statements in the past tense? And if they're going to demonstrate true grammatical mastery, they should be able to describe and use the various future tenses correctly. Oh, and of course they'll need to use apostrophes correctly in various situations.

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    16. Re:Long overdue mod down coming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Formally situations cannot be ironic, so Miss Morissette is incorrect. And you too, at least perscriptively (which is the position you seem to take), are wrong.

      Are you fucking kidding me? You're seriously claiming that "situations cannot be ironic"? And you're claiming this based on something you utterly misread in Wikipedia? How the fuck do you function in life?

      Use a dictionary, read it properly, shut the fuck up.

    17. Re:Long overdue mod down coming... by droptone · · Score: 1

      http://www.sil.org/linguistics/GlossaryOfLinguisti cTerms/WhatIsIrony.htm
      http://www.geocities.com/eirig/

      There are plenty of examples. Yes, irony has colloquially changed meaning, but this does not negate the prescriptivist mantra that you are incorrectly using the word.

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    18. Re:Long overdue mod down coming... by Saanvik · · Score: 1

      You're right, you didn't say the mistake was one of grammar. My assumption was because you were referring to "the current ruleset", you meant the rules of grammar, not spelling. My mistake. I think you can understand why I made that mistake when you look at your post in the context of its parents.

      I agree with your point that the grandparent poster was just trying to find an excuse to be lazy, but not the implication that people need to learn "the ruleset" to communicate effectively.

      If you don't agree that children are grammar masters, go talk to one. Their speech may not follow such non-rules as "Don't end a sentence with a preposition", but it is surprisingly grammatically correct, often more correct than adults that have been taught such nonsensical rules. They do have a tendency to overgeneralize, especially when they are talking about past or future events (such as using "goed" rather than "went"), but that's rather minor, and is quickly corrected. Can they tell you the rules? Nope. But they sure can use them effectively.

      Whether someone can spell or not has nothing to do with how well they use grammar. The affect/effect error is due to poor pronunciation (many people pronounce them nearly the same), not bad grammar. The words have nearly become homophones, and thus are frequently incorrectly spelled, just like "to", "too", and "two" are often incorrectly spelled.

      Oh, and apostrophes? That's spelling, too, not grammar. This is especially true when you are talking about the different ways to use an apostrophe to indicate possession. The contraction "it's" is pronounced the same as the possessive "its". When someone writes "it's" as the possessive ("it's home was messy"), they don't mean to use the contraction. They weren't trying to say "it is home was messy", they just spelled possessive it incorrectly. Should they learn how to spell it right? Sure, but don't pretend you have taught them grammar when you teach them that. They already knew the grammar, just not how to indicate it in writing.

      I value good writing. It drives me crazy when someone complains about bad writing by saying it's ungrammatical. Usually it's just poorly written. The abstract for TFA was fairly well written, especially for ./, but the writer made a common spelling error (among other errors [quick, spot the incomplete sentence!]). Big deal, it got the point across. If you want to complain about it, complain about what was said, not how a word was spelled.

      We need to teach people how to write well (i.e., composition), not how to spout non-existent rules of a grammar.

      In a surely wasted attempt to get back onto topic, let me ask, how different is the reuse talked about in TFA from newpapers and other new outlets rewriting wire stories?

    19. Re:Long overdue mod down coming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, geocities?? And once again, you pick the worst possible reference but it still disagrees with you. Your little geocities essay has an entire section on "the Irony of Fate". Not sure how you go on so oblivously when even the worst possible source of information on the planet explicitly disagrees with you.

  3. Aaaaggghhh by virgil_disgr4ce · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    It's AFFECTING! Worthless content indeed!

  4. Frist pots by Merdalors · · Score: 2, Funny
    effecting the quality of the web

    Yes, I'm effraid the web has been effected enough already.

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    1. Re:Frist pots by OriginalSpaceMan · · Score: 1

      Have you seen Flash lately! It can do 3d stuffs too... pretty neat affects

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    2. Re:Frist pots by v1k · · Score: 1

      You misspelled teh.

  5. There's a reason for that. by numbski · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's because you want to cheat the system and get ranked highly to begin with.

    If you were truly "popular", you wouldn't have to worry about worthless original content.

    Case in point...the word "Numbski" isn't a terribly popular term. If you google it, it's pretty safe that you'll find me, and my website, along with a base understand of who I am and what I do.

    The same goes for George W. Bush, or "Wall Street Journal".

    Now, if I just made up a company name right now....let's see....Framboozleweisenschnapps.

    Nope, no hits. I want that company to program open source software.

    Of course if someone goes searching for open source software no one is going to find your company. However if you get out there and do the work, when you do online articles, post your company's name, and the work you do is evident in the online content, with time, you WILL bubble to the top.

    That's the problem. An entire world full of people, people competing in similar businesses, all wanting to be in the first 10 hits of a google search.

    Quit crying. Quit trying to cheat the system and LIVE.

    "Faith without works is about as useless as a screen door on a submarine."

    Have faith in the system, do your work, do it honestly.

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    1. Re:There's a reason for that. by nurhussein · · Score: 1
      "Faith without works is about as useless as a screen door on a submarine."
      "Analogies are like undergraduates. They can't all be clever" -- Mike Slackernerny, PhDComics
    2. Re:There's a reason for that. by CarpetShark · · Score: 1
      It's because you want to cheat the system and get ranked highly to begin with.


      Well said. What most companies don't seem to realise is that they have no right to be the first listing on google. They're just not that special, when everyone is making content.
    3. Re:There's a reason for that. by tacokill · · Score: 1

      That's the problem. An entire world full of people, people competing in similar businesses, all wanting to be in the first 10 hits of a google search.

      So, it's....uh...competition?

      I hear what you are saying but it seems to me that "being in the top 10" is PART of the competitive landscape, no? If it wasn't important to anyone's success, then it wouldn't be an issue. But clearly, it IS important. And that's why we have all these shenanigans to deal with.

      It's really the same in the offline world. There are plenty of "shady" businesses that will take ANY edge offered to them. Even if it's morally dubious. The difference is that they are fairly easy to identify in the offline world. In the online world, it just takes a talented graphical artist and your site can be as "good" as that of a Fortune 500 company with vastly more resources.

      Google needs to do a better job of weeding out the ilk but I don't see a technical way that they can do that. Does anyone? How would you code to recognize the difference between an original source and a rehash of the exact same material (with different wording)?

    4. Re:There's a reason for that. by Billosaur · · Score: 1
      It's because you want to cheat the system and get ranked highly to begin with.

      If you were truly "popular", you wouldn't have to worry about worthless original content.

      But it goes deeper than that. It's the fact that people are unoriginal. They can't be bothered or are too ignorant of the facts to formulate their own opinion, so they promulgate information that is not their own, adding a few bits of meaningless fluff to it to make it just different enough. It's the "Me Too" phenomenon writ all over the Internet. Face it -- the Internet is a mob, and just like the mob mentality, it shifts, ebbs, and flows. Factions are formed, lines are drawn, but in most cases there is no true dialog, like there is here on Slashdot. It's just a case of echoing the popular opinions of the day without taking a hard look at what they say. And the search engine is the engine that drives this; it's not so much where you rank but how often. A high rank is great and gets you visibility, but when the first 5 pages of Google refer back to your thing because it has spread like wildfire, you are suddenly "in the know" because everyone is linking to you.

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    5. Re:There's a reason for that. by Kelson · · Score: 2, Informative

      Of course, there are easier ways to trick people into landing on your site. Apparently just taking out an ad for your site with the keywords "download firefox" is enough to confuse some people and get them to think you're the official Firefox download site.

      This, I think, lends a bit more credence to Jakob Nielsen's anti-search diatribe earlier this year.

      All that said, I agree with your point that in the long run, it's easier and more effective to write good content and do the necessary promotion than it is to try to cheat the system.

    6. Re:There's a reason for that. by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      Considering the thousands of people competing for top rank wouldn't it make sense for google to do a simple "All these pages match the term Y very well, so if your pagerank is above X randomize the output" That way if you searched "Liberal Blog" all the top liberal blogs would randomly be placed, following them would be page ranked junk..

    7. Re:There's a reason for that. by timdgibson · · Score: 1

      "Faith without works is about as useless as a screen door on a submarine." Gotta love Rich. Am I the only one who got this? BTW, I'm finally reading the biography of Keith Green. Good stuff.

    8. Re:There's a reason for that. by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      The thing is, that description seems to fit About.com. Very often, it ranks high in my searches but it is almost a worthless rehash of what I already knew. I wish I could block them out of my searche results by default without having to add search terms, as I know they most likely won't have what I want.

    9. Re:There's a reason for that. by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      Have faith in the system, do your work, do it honestly.

      The problem is that many/most people work the system backwards.

      In other words, its the eternal ends vs means thing. For some reason, people equate money or desired goods with happiness and success. Few people realize that humans are social animals, and real joy (and money) comes from doing good things for people, and they gladly pay you for it.

      Deception and greed will get you nowhere. The only benefit is that you are so busy being selfish and keeping track of and hiding your lies and deceit that you don't realize how miserable you are until that one day...

    10. Re:There's a reason for that. by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      While I agree with you on moral grounds...your wish is pure fantasy. There will always be people who break the rules, and unless you are some of the top people in your industry...you might have to as well in order to compete with them. Its a slippery slope.

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    11. Re:There's a reason for that. by TimboJones · · Score: 1

      There's a GreaseMonkey script that kills about.com entries from search engine results, iirc.

    12. Re:There's a reason for that. by Khomar · · Score: 1
      Gotta love Rich. Am I the only one who got this?

      Nope. :-) I believe the original line was "Faith without works, like a song you can't sing, it's about as useless as a screendoor on a submarine." Great song. Great lyrics. I really miss his song writing and musicianship. I still listen to his CD's more than any other artist. CCM has not been the same since he passed away.

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    13. Re:There's a reason for that. by davidphogan74 · · Score: 1

      I lure people into my website quite effectively by having the words 'amature' and 'ass' on the same page.

    14. Re:There's a reason for that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Framboozleweisenschnapps: Vee qvench joor Uni thursten. (Und now, in zee nue Himbeer flavoren!)"

    15. Re:There's a reason for that. by mgblst · · Score: 1

      This is a good idea. The ability to ban bad sites. At least for yourself. Google should have an option, so that when you go back from a page, a little icon appears next to the search entry, with the option to delist them from your searches.

  6. Site rating by metaltoad · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How can we avoid this? I think that human rating of sites either by administrators or general users could vastly improve the situation. Imagine being able to rate a site based on how well it matched your search.

    1. Re:Site rating by blogeasy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sounds a lot like social bookmarking or sites like the del.icio.us bookmarking site. I think eventually there will be some integration of this type of "voting" for sites by humans to help improve the search results. Also, some of the search engines are tracking which results people actually click on as well.

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    2. Re:Site rating by DesireCampbell · · Score: 1

      That's be a great idea, as long as there was a disclaimer below...

      * This whole thing is wildly inaccurate. Rounding errors, ballot stuffers, dynamic IPs, firewalls. If you're using these numbers to do anything important, you're insane.

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    3. Re:Site rating by metaltoad · · Score: 1

      Yeah, like DMOZ... but without the 6 month wait time for site approval! Instead of an admin system, it could easily be more like Wikipedia. Allow everyone to rate the site and eventually you get a proper rating.

    4. Re:Site rating by EndlessNameless · · Score: 1

      Or you get for-hire botnets that tally up positive votes for whomever is enough of a shithead to pay the slimebags.

      Your system is easily broken the first day people start to care about it.

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    5. Re:Site rating by justthinkit · · Score: 0
      How can we avoid this? I think that human rating of sites either by administrators or general users could vastly improve the situation. Imagine being able to rate a site based on how well it matched your search.

      At least one big problem with this is if you are prejudiced against a web site. A democrat will vote down georgewbush.com, etc.

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    6. Re:Site rating by Omestes · · Score: 1

      Why would we want to? 90% of the time my first-page search results are relevant. Good enough for me. It seems, like was said previously, that this amounts to companies whining that they aren't the first result.

      Most bad results come from bad search strings. Its amazing the amount of people who don't know how to search.

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    7. Re:Site rating by metaltoad · · Score: 1

      If enough people flag something as SPAM, you remove it, no matter how many bots give it a great rating.

    8. Re:Site rating by Oliver+Defacszio · · Score: 1
      And how many is enough? Ten? A thousand? Two million? I can probably fake any number you need because I don't like what you wrote.

      So, basically, my bots overwhelm yours. Still no good.

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    9. Re:Site rating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine how quickly companies will start paying people to judge their sites favorably.

    10. Re:Site rating by BigCheese · · Score: 1

      I often use del.icio.us and Technorati as search engines now since I get so much link spam from Google. It's especially nice when you're looking for a specific type of software (CMS, Forum...) since you can kind of tell how popular or hated they are.

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    11. Re:Site rating by dbc001 · · Score: 1

      sounds kinda like slashdot to me.

    12. Re:Site rating by romka1 · · Score: 1

      Imagine yourself rating a site good thats one vote
      Imagine a botnet rating a spyware infested site good, thats 1 000 000 votes
      which sites will be on the top?

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    13. Re:Site rating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not if every vote has to negotiate an obscure captcha you won't. And they could make it worse, add an audio captcha as well. You'd be stuck at one at a time with your eyes and ears. Still doable with your zombies if they are full proxies but it would take a long time.

    14. Re:Site rating by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Sure, it really depends on what you are searching for. I tried to look for a couple of things, cufflinks and watch repair - these terms seem to be heavily spoofed. I tried all sort of variations on my search terms. No luck.

  7. So what? by Tweekster · · Score: 1

    So someone provides some original content to make money? whats the big deal... why is it looked down upon if someone simply is trying to get ad revenue and it is all altruistic if they do it for nothing.....does the content somehow differ. no it doesnt.

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    1. Re:So what? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1
      why is it looked down upon if someone simply is trying to get ad revenue

      Read the article. The point is that usually those shysters don't want to spend the money to properly write and research the subject. Just cobble a few sentences together which look like related to the subject and vaguely like correct English. Don't bother with fact checking and actual research.

      And if you can't even come up with that, just use unoriginal content (i.e. pilfered from other sites), but change just enough words to fool the search engine (and in the process, accidentally introduce subtle errors...)

    2. Re:So what? by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 1

      For some reason, making money on the web is looked down apon here at Slashdot (nevermind that Slashdot itself is awash in ads, and produces no original content at all). It's really just more of the double speak that comes out of wanna-be socialist's mouths that it's not OK for you to make money on the web, but hey, I got to eat...

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    3. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "So what? "

      I have made available on the web, sections of books that I have written. The publisher and I own exclusive rights to the material. The point of making it available is a) People will find it useful. b) Our website will be recognized as the "authoritative site" on the topic and people will follow the links to Amazon and buy the book. When these scumbags rip off the text, it is just plain old thievery, not liberante webenomics.

    4. Re:So what? by justthinkit · · Score: 0
      So someone provides some original content to make money? whats the big deal... why is it looked down upon if someone simply is trying to get ad revenue and it is all altruistic if they do it for nothing.....does the content somehow differ. no it doesnt.

      Actually the content differs drastically. For example, trying searching Google for "baby names". You will find hit after hit to pages that contain the top baby name books on Amazon, with an affiliate link to each book -- but no baby names!. Whereas "Super Baby Names" (http://www.just-think-it.com/sbn/sbn.htm), that offers 1,500,000 baby names -- more baby names than anyone else -- is almost invisible to Google.

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    5. Re:So what? by flyingsquid · · Score: 1
      For some reason, making money on the web is looked down apon here at Slashdot

      I don't think the Slashdot community is against making money; I think they're all for it, IF you provide useful goods or services in the process. It's those people who are trying to make something while offering little or nothing in return that the community dislikes.

      nevermind that Slashdot itself is awash in ads, and produces no original content at all

      Sure it produces content. It produces the intelligent and insightful commentary of the readers.

      Hrm. On second thought, I concede your point.

    6. Re:So what? by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      whats the big deal... why is it looked down upon if someone simply is trying to get ad revenue

      Because it's a scam to divert people from the REAL content.
      They just reword the content from someone else to try and fool people into visiting their site. Once the user gets there, he'll realise that it's all fluff and go, but he's been had, the ad company's been had, the search engine's been had, and the only winner is the scammer who made a buck by polluting the net with useless reworded copies of information he ripped from someone that would have deserved that ad revenue.

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    7. Re:So what? by soupdevil · · Score: 1

      Sounds like newspapers. Or magazines. Or TV. How many times have you read what you thought was an original, locally-written newspaper article, only to find at the bottom a small note saying that the article was slightly modified from a wire piece from AP?

    8. Re:So what? by cknudsen · · Score: 1

      There was an article in Wired a month or so ago that had some similar issues. It was specifically talking about fraud relating to Google AdSense.

      http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.01/fraud.htm l

      People will put up sites withing nothing but keywords and advertisements. The site may not even have a complete sentence on it. But, because of the keywords, some search engines will rank it high, and users will end up there.

      While this seems morally questionable, it's all fair in capitalism, right? It's up to Google, Yahoo et al to fight it out over who can do a better job of weeding out the crap content. I'll use the search engine that does a better job.

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    9. Re:So what? by misleb · · Score: 1

      Slashdot produces TONS of original content. I'm typing some of it right now.

      You don't seem to understand what this article is about. We're talking about people who put up a bogus site and clutter up search results making it more difficult to find the real content your're looking for. How many times have you typed in search words and linked to a site with nothing but ads and a few random blurbs about the search terms you plugged in? Happens to me all the time. And it is annoying.

      -matthew

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    10. Re:So what? by misleb · · Score: 1

      For one thing, proper credit is given to the AP. Also, there is a difference in that, AFAIK, you can't go directly to the AP to get the content (can you?). So the newspaper or magazines are providing a service by packaging AP content for you. When you search the interenet and get one of the bad sites in question, there is no credit to the original source... AND and original source gets pushed down the search rankings.

      -matthew

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      "THERE IS NO JUSTICE, THERE IS ONLY ME." -Death
    11. Re:So what? by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Try the AP search function , but I agree there is nothing new or wrong with people repackaging stories provided they give credit where credit is due.

      --
      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
  8. More Original content = less redundancy. by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

    I recall the situation where your page references another page which referenced another page which referenced another page... which referenced your page in the first place. So where's the original content?

    by making sure the original content gets listed first, the pages listed are less garbage and more content. Otherwise, the web runs the risk of becoming a collection of copied content where the original is lost.

    1. Re:More Original content = less redundancy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Otherwise, the web runs the risk of becoming a collection of copied content where the original is lost."
      Very "Laughing Man"-ish.
      Only without the cybernetics and conspiracy.

  9. *Hmmpf* by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 1
    Search Engines Breed Worthless 'Original Content'?

    The worthless original content in my Journal is all my own thank you very much.

    --
    If brevity is the soul of wit, then how does one explain Twitter?
    1. Re:*Hmmpf* by saskboy · · Score: 1

      When they wrote "worthless original content" I was thinking of the average blog. Good thing my blog isn't average :-P [I delude myself in my spare time.]

      I have seen odd searches though bring people to my site because I'm one of the few people who've talked about Peter Mansbridge, and posted pictures of small town Saskatchewan, and mouldy yogurt.

      --
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    2. Re:*Hmmpf* by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 1

      So you're the mouldy yogurt guy I've heard so much about;-)

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      If brevity is the soul of wit, then how does one explain Twitter?
  10. Best sentence of the piece by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 3, Funny
    In fact, search engines are more like a TV camera crew let loose in the middle of a crowd of rowdy fans after a game. Seeing the camera, everyone acts boorishly and jostles to get in front. The act of observing something changes it.

    Now, everybody get on to wikipedia, and vandalize the Schroedinger's_cat article as much as you can!

    1. Re:Best sentence of the piece by gstoddart · · Score: 1
      The act of observing something changes it.

      Now, everybody get on to wikipedia, and vandalize the Schroedinger's_cat article as much as you can!

      You know, without following that link, I have no idea if it has happened yet or not. =)
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  11. It's True by shiznatix · · Score: 1

    Yes it is true. I used to work for a company that made thousands of fake websites with bogus random content in it. I was the one writing the content and I just made up whatever as long as it had these certain keywords every paragraph. It does effect users browsing too. petsuppliesplus contracted us for 2000 websites. My boss quickly bought a bunch of stock in them after he landed the contract then as soon as we put all the bogus websites online the stock went straight up.

    1. Re:It's True by Derek+Pomery · · Score: 1

      I wonder if Google could employ some sort of bayesian filter to make your life harder.

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  12. It's the search engines' fault?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hold on. So people go out and intentionally deceive their intended audience in order to get their page rankings higher to get more hits and presumably more cash from ads... and it's the search engines' fault?

    Right. The search engines are responsible for the crap out there, not good ol' capitalistic greed. Nope.

    Word to the wise: If the search engines exist (and why wouldn't they?) then they'll employ a system. If capitalistic bastards exist they'll try to take advantage of it.

  13. Google Page Rank? by digitaldc · · Score: 1

    Doesn't the Google Page Rank display on their toolbar help with this problem?

    Unless you have some way of ranking a page, this may continue to be a problem.

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    He who knows best knows how little he knows. - Thomas Jefferson
    1. Re:Google Page Rank? by garcia · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Doesn't the Google Page Rank display on their toolbar help with this problem?

      Unless you have some way of ranking a page, this may continue to be a problem.


      I would guess that most people here don't use IE and thus don't have a need for Google's Toolbar and as such don't see what ranking the page has.

  14. Not search engines alone, the gold rush for ads by lux55 · · Score: 1

    Sure search engines help people find your content, but they aren't the only or even key reason why this is on the rise. Search engines have been around since roughly the beginning of the web's popular usage. What's new these days is how easy it is to do two things: publish and advertise.

    Publishing via blogs is ridiculously simple, and it's so interlinked that it naturally plays into the latest search enging ranking methods.

    Advertising, thanks to Google Adsense (not due to Google search :)), as well as others now trying to immitate them (some came first, but everyone looks second to the public, so...), is now just a matter of pasting a few lines of HTML into your blog template. Adsense brokers the deals with advertisers and you get a cut.

    These two things are clearly what facilitated the gold rush of the past few years for advertising dollars online. In turn, this affects content quality because right now we're in a race for quantity and the two aren't often found together. Once the dust settles, the quality will improve again and most of the gold diggers will go home.

  15. This will kill search engine and web usability by pimpimpim · · Score: 1
    Unless search engines find a way out of these "harvested" sites (you can just generate your own original content by combining several sources in an automatic way), these search engines will become completely useless in a few years

    Already now in germany I cannot search for a local electronics store, because if I enter the name of my town and say 'pc peripherals' in google, I'll end up with the 100s of pages filled with these crappy harvest-sites, containing all often used search terms and all geographical names, but linking to nothing useful. I've given up now, hoping that google will somehow manage this (they already tried something similar in the case of BMW). In the meantime I'll have to search the phonebook to find stores, or ask on internet-fora on computing (good luck finding those, though!).

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    1. Re:This will kill search engine and web usability by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      If they are listing other placenames as well try using those to exclude them

      e.g. pc perhiperals stockport -southport

      unfortunately however this won't work if they give each placename its own page.

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    2. Re:This will kill search engine and web usability by pimpimpim · · Score: 1
      Thanx, I'm trying it out now... Ah, look what I'll find for example for computer parts in Stuttgart:

      computer.[somecrappysite].de/ computer-teile-verkauf+stuttgart?gallery=1

      page per placename :( See, I am smart enough to skip the sites that have urls like that, but even then I have to carefullt scroll through several google pages to find something. The whole search engine idea to help you find something specific fast gets lost this way.

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      molmod.com - computing tips from a molecular modeling
    3. Re:This will kill search engine and web usability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are freely scripts available that automate the trash generation. In fact SF.net hosts more than a few, but seems unable to recognize what they are.

      This exchange from me to them is 3 or 4 months old, but is still interesting:

      "Hi Sourceforge Admins,

      The code in the following project:

      http://sourceforge.net/projects/rssgm

      is code used for 'synthetic' site generation. It is code that uses spiders to grab specified subject matter off the web and automatically constructs a 'fake' site comprised entirely of fragments of legitimate sites. Google spiders the fake site, sees the apparently legitimate information and adds the site to the Google index. Unfortunately the users searching for information then get fooled into going to a site that has nothing but clickthrough ads. It has no content to speak of.

      I quote RSSGM's website:

      (http://rssgm.com/content/view/19/9)

      "WARNINGS:

      Incorrect use of these scripts could get your website banned in the Search Engines.

      It is your responsibility to ensure that you have the relevant permissions for anything you intend to display with these scripts.

      The creators of these scripts WILL NOT accept any responsibility for losses that occur through your use of these scripts."

      >

      My question is this: Why is a great organization like Sourceforge enabling trash such as this? These jokers are ruining the utility of the web. These guys only want to exploit the web in the worst way. Why is Sourceforge helping this happen? Is it Sourceforge's policy to support any project, regardless of the harm it represents?

      If so, I know a couple of guys who'd like Sourceforge to host their rootkit toolkit. Where do they apply?

      [signed here]

      Sourceforge's response:

      Greetings,

      SourceForge.net will not sanction or host a project whose sole goal is harm. Accordingly, we wouldn't host a rootkit,etc. But, we do allow for the hosting of material that could be 'dual-use'.

      One clear example is the project bo2k. It could be, and has been used, as a trojan to attain access to a Windows host. It is also a legitimate system administration tool. This is no different than a knife, which can be used to cook or do very bad things.

      The script you are mentioning doesn't appear to cause much harm. Sure, it may dilute search engine results, but that's for the search engines to sort out. If this tool were solely existing to dilute the ranking of one particular blog or a set of them, then we'd have cause to believe its existence is purely nefarious. In this case, however, the project appears to have a valid technical purpose, even though it can be used in a sub-ideal manner, much alike the cooking knife.

      Thank you,

      {deleted name}
      Senior Second Level Support Technician, SourceForge.net

  16. Advertising is so 90's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Do they still have advertising on the Internets ? , even Symantec block them in their products thesedays

    thats what happens when you ram them down peoples throats, gone are the days of doing the web for fun , everybody is so motivated by greed that the best they can come up with for a billion connected computers is advertising, sad really

  17. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1, Funny

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  18. A low down dirty shame by nanojath · · Score: 1, Funny

    Yes, this creation of worthless content for money is disgusting. People should be more like me - I blog, and create worthless content for free.

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    It Is the Nature of Information to Transgress Artificial Boundaries

    1. Re:A low down dirty shame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the fuck is the blogosphere?

    2. Re:A low down dirty shame by theskipper · · Score: 1

      Your post should have been modded "+1 Informative". I won't be shaking hands with that particular blogger any time soon.

    3. Re:A low down dirty shame by Saeger · · Score: 1
      What the fuck is the blogosphere?

      The "blogosphere" is what self-important twats call the circle-jerk network of diary-writers.

      --
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  19. Search engines do not think like people do by badevlad · · Score: 1

    Search engines analyses the Web content by keywords. But it is not what people realy need. We need sense, SE give us keywords...

  20. The issue is the worth of the content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they're providing the content simply to get highly placed, it's likely that the content is eroneous. I can randomly generate a lot more content (even content that somewhat makes sense) which is wrong than I can write content which is correct.

  21. Parasuits by RealProgrammer · · Score: 1

    All of this blather about getting your site ranked by the search engines, adviews, and people setting up sites just to get ad revenue so companies can sell products to people who don't really want them is a sickness.

    Companies are so interested in this week's figures that they forget to make good stuff that people want. It's way easier to listen to some parasuit telling you in 50 buzzwords or less that he can make you lots of money right now.

    And it's easier to plagiarize, change the wording here and there, and get your page ranked high than it is to come up with something new. And people don't seem to want quality any more anyway, they want cheap, fast, and easy.

    I think I'll drink that hemlock now.

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    1. Re:Parasuits by pimpimpim · · Score: 1

      Also it hinders people that have actually something to say and want to make their site easy to find.

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      molmod.com - computing tips from a molecular modeling
    2. Re:Parasuits by bitt3n · · Score: 1

      they want cheap, fast, and easy they want my ex-girlfriend?

    3. Re:Parasuits by triso · · Score: 1
      "they want cheap, fast, and easy they want my ex-girlfriend?"
      Now that's interesting. My ex was expensive, slow and hard-to-get.
  22. "Search Engines" or Google? by Quixote · · Score: 1, Interesting
    Let's call a spade a spade here. 42% of Google's revenues come from AdSense, their program of putting ads on third-party websites. This will amount to about $3 Billion this year (projected, based on past growth).

    Google is making it easy and profitable for people to engage in such behavior. The payments to AdSense participants are done via legal means (checks); hence Google has the ability to track down the offenders and sue them; and yet there has not been a single such case filed by Google for AdSense abuse. Google is profiting handsomely from this fraud, but it is very shortsighted of them.

    I know I'm going to get modded down by the Google fanboys in this crowd, but please put down the koolaid and think about it.

    1. Re:"Search Engines" or Google? by PoconoPCDoctor · · Score: 1

      and yet there has not been a single such case filed by Google for AdSense abuse



      No? What about this one?



      Found using Google, BTW.

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      "Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair" - George Washington
    2. Re:"Search Engines" or Google? by fruey · · Score: 1

      As somebody else has already commented, cases have been brought.

      Google also outright bans, or refuses payment, to people who seem to have an exceptionnaly high click rate, especially bloggers (go to any blog exchange to find people moaning about it).

      --
      Conversion Rate Optimisation French / English consultant
    3. Re:"Search Engines" or Google? by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      I know I'm going to get modded down by the Google fanboys in this crowd, but please put down the koolaid and think about it.

      I'm a Google fanboy, but am not affected by your post in the least. I hate koolaid.

      Google has no authority to sue for fraud, that is a criminal thing, not a civil one. Google has worked hard against scamming SEO people, and its a cat and mouse game. Remember how Google.de unlisted bmw.de from their search engine? No lawsuit required. AFAIK, every business has the right to choose who they want to do business with.

      Now with AdSense, so what if silly fly by night webfronts pay google for ads on their cheesy site? These sites will never gain real popularity (typosquating anybody??) They are the business parallel to scavengers. All in all they are benign, albeit annoying at times.

      Look at the ads here on slashdot from time to time. I saw one this morning advertising to us geeks for email and a remote desktop solution that is now up to 2x as fast. WTF? If people on this site don't know how to do remote things on their computer or access email, nobody will, even with a service that does it for you. Oh, and still to this day, even off of the google.com domain, the ads are not CPU hogging flash animations or shaking animated gifs that look like a Windows dialog box withdrawing from heroin. Granted, I haven't seen the latter yet on slashdot, but plenty of ads for stuff that I think is quasi fraudulent and worthless.

    4. Re:"Search Engines" or Google? by boutell · · Score: 1

      Google Adsense is not the only way to profit from this. Such "Google Farmers" can build pagerank, then sell outgoing links directly to clients. Google has no way of knowing in this case unless they find a magic algorithm to distinguish these sites from creators of legitimate content.

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  23. copyright that by pigs,3different1s · · Score: 0

    You'd better copyright "Framboozleweisenschnapps" before SCO does.

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    1. Re:copyright that by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      You mean 'trademark that'.

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  24. who says it's worthless? by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry but worth is subjective. I have no use for my broken vcr, but my friend's family is in scrap metals and to them it's revenue in waiting.

    Another friend digs up these so called "worthless" dregs of the internet and makes cool remixes out of them.

    So yeah, if youre some mccarthy-minded 1950's conformist who's grown too old to see potential in new ideas, it's crap, but there are those of us who find uses for the supposed "drivel" which litters the web.

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  25. Quite right. by meringuoid · · Score: 1
    Case in point...the word "Numbski" isn't a terribly popular term. If you google it, it's pretty safe that you'll find me, and my website, along with a base understand of who I am and what I do. The same goes for George W. Bush, or "Wall Street Journal".

    Quite right: Google has a very good understanding of what search terms should link to George W. Bush.

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    Real Daleks don't climb stairs - they level the building.
    1. Re:Quite right. by Helios1182 · · Score: 1

      In all fairness, the next two results are for Jimmy Carter and Micheal Moore. Then it is page after page of story about the results.

    2. Re:Quite right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome to four years ago, you miserable failure.

    3. Re:Quite right. by cloudmaster · · Score: 1

      Yep, Google sure has a good understanding of George Bush...

  26. Cheating sounds like a lot of work by tcopeland · · Score: 0

    If you want a high ranking for "charts and graphs with Ruby On Rails", why not just blog about it? Is it really that hard to write something?

    1. Re:Cheating sounds like a lot of work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You left out step B: improve your blog's ranking with link to it on Slashdot!

  27. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2, Insightful

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  28. As opposed to newspapers? by bloobloo · · Score: 1

    Who have never made money by publishing stories because the topic is popular?

    1. Re:As opposed to newspapers? by Dachannien · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Most of the media is like this, rewriting AP Wire or what have you, so that they'll have more content to sell (to the consumer or to advertisers).

      Time and Newsweek didn't get their "I Shot My Friend" VP stories out until the whole ordeal was ten days old and every possible fact and viewpoint had already been published a zillion times. Fox News ran a story on Michael Jackson on their website every week until he moved out of the country and beyond the reach of the paparazzi. Despite being local news, local news shows will run national news stories, only to have them repeated by the network's news show a half hour later. Hell, rehashing news stories seen elsewhere is the entire point of Slashdot, and sometimes the submitters don't even have the courtesy to rewrite the story in their own words.

      Like you say, this really isn't anything new at all - it's just that we have a new medium for the same old malarkey.

    2. Re:As opposed to newspapers? by Prairiewest · · Score: 1

      Yes, I was thinking this exactly myself last week. Our office subscribes to a few national newspapers as well as one local one. I was reading the sports section of our local one, then jumped to one of the national ones. Almost exactly the same story - just a few words seemed to be added to the national one (or omitted from the local one, not sure).

      Seems to me that we as a society are quite used to this syndication of content. It shouldn't surprise us that now with the Internet providing the tools to everyone (I personally never had a printing press in my basement in the 80's) that many are jumping on board and trying to emulate the behaviour that has worked so well for newspapers for hundreds of years. Why would we expect otherwise?

      The stories that really interest me these days are those that are not told with an air of authority, but those that are coming from the writer honestly. I'm much more occupied these days with blogs - there is a lot of crap out there, but you know, there are a lot of gems to be found. This is the kind of content that these copy-edit-paste authors aren't interested in either, so both they and I are happy.

  29. Fraud? by MarkByers · · Score: 1

    What 'fraud' has been committed, and why can Google sue?

    If you mean that websites are breaking copyright laws, that's not Google's problem, until the original copyright owner notifies them.

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    I'll probably be modded down for this...
  30. ScuttleMonkey - It's by Shreav · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "how search engines and original content are effecting the quality of the web."

    I'm sorry for doing this, but the word you're looking for is 'affecting', not 'effecting'.

    'Affect' is a verb, as in "search engines affect the quality of information on the web".

    'Effect' is a noun, as in cause-and-effect: "the effect that search engines have on the quality of information on the web is ...".

    Actually, I'm not sorry. They're two different words with two different meanings. What I meant is that I don't mean you any personal insult.

    1. Re:ScuttleMonkey - It's by __aaitqo8496 · · Score: 1

      Sometime between main page and clicked link, they fixed it. :-\

    2. Re:ScuttleMonkey - It's by docdoc · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but while you're correct, I can't resist either:

      effect can be a transitive verb too, as in "to cause to come into being" (eg, "to effect change"). Of course the fact that affect can also be a noun (eg, "he seemed depressed, his affect was blunted") makes it even more confusing.

    3. Re:ScuttleMonkey - It's by Jerry+Coffin · · Score: 1
      'Affect' is a verb, as in "search engines affect the quality of information on the web".

      'Effect' is a noun, as in cause-and-effect: "the effect that search engines have on the quality of information on the web is ...".

      I agree that the word he wanted was "affecting".

      That said, there are perfectly legitimate uses of "affect" as a noun, and of "effect" as a verb. Using "affect" as a noun is mostly restricted to psychologists, but "effect" as a verb is reasonably widespread -- for example, a person might "effect a change". Likewise, "effecting a change" is perfectly legitimate usage as well.

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    4. Re:ScuttleMonkey - It's by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      Grammar nazi prewarning.

      Not to mention bring and take, as in the university laptop article earlier today.

      You take to somewhere, you bring something along with you.

      You don't bring something to somebody. This is _wrong_ "Bring this to your boss." The correct is "Take this to your boss." Bring is a passive verb, take is an active one.

      The vocabulary of people has at least halved or more over the past 100 years. It seems as though they can use the right words and put them in the right order. Also, our language is so much more terse than it used to be. Simple sentences, maybe a compound one from time to time. That is usually what I use when I write.

      end grammar nazi war for me at least

    5. Re:ScuttleMonkey - It's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can use the "bring...to" construct in some situations. If someone has fainted, you can "bring them back to sense", meaning that you woke them up.

      Aside from that, it really has nothing to do with a verb being passive or active. Neither of these verbs are of the "be" form. "Bring" requires that the speaker is present at the location where the item is located. "Take" doesn't require that.

      Example: "I brought a laptop to work." vs. "I took a laptop to work."
      Upon hearing the first sentence, you would assume that the speaker is still at work. The second sentence delivers no such assumption.

    6. Re:ScuttleMonkey - It's by noidentity · · Score: 1

      I agree with your correction, but I must point out that effect is also a verb, as in, "how search engines and original content are effecting a reduction of quality content on the web."

  31. Re:The SEC Called... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... to recommend that you post anonymously the next time you conspire with someone to hide their illegal activities!

  32. Related phenomenon: Google bombing by bombadier_beetle · · Score: 1

    Okay, I don't know what the "official" term is, but apparently there's a cottage industry of helping people bury search terms which are unfavorable to them and their interests.

    Case in point: Like many of their members, I was having some billing problems with 24 Hour Fitness - they had misrepresented their offer and were essentially double-billing me. I happened to Google for "24 hour fitness ripoff", but most of the first five pages or so were completely bogus - nearly all of them were subdomains of "6g416h.info". Could 24 Hour Fitness have paid someone to set up a throwaway domain with hundreds of subdomains to squelch any less-than-flattering Google searches? And is there a name for this practice? And why hasn't Google punished them yet?

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    1. Re:Related phenomenon: Google bombing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is actually an example of someone using Slashdot to further his/her own vendetta. Not to say the vendetta doesn't have merit, but I never feel good being led down Bogus Path.

    2. Re:Related phenomenon: Google bombing by bombadier_beetle · · Score: 1

      Seriously, I'm not - make your own decisions regarding 24 Hour Fitness or whatever else. I'm just pointing out an interesting and related search engine phenomenon.

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    3. Re:Related phenomenon: Google bombing by geobeck · · Score: 1

      Try Googling "Bernard Haldane" if you ever get contacted by these 'employment counsellors'. I needed to dig down to the 60th page of search results before I found a page that wasn't owned by the company. Every result I found that was not owned by Haldane was a report of some kind of fraud investigation, or complaints by people who had been unhappy with their 'services'.

      Fortunately, I escaped from their trap without signing an NDA, so I can give details of how they sell their vapor-service on request.

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    4. Re:Related phenomenon: Google bombing by slashdotmsiriv · · Score: 1

      Interesting. I think it deserves a mod up ...

    5. Re:Related phenomenon: Google bombing by d1on1x · · Score: 1

      On the bottom of that search page you will see this line:
      Search within results | Language Tools | Search Tips | Dissatisfied? Help us improve

      Click that link, fill out the form . .and see what happens. It is supposed to notify (real) people at google to dive into that search term . .and who knows.. it might help ...

    6. Re:Related phenomenon: Google bombing by metamatic · · Score: 1

      Led down a bogus path? The guy said right up front that he had problems with the company.

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    7. Re:Related phenomenon: Google bombing by Iaughter · · Score: 1
      ummm ...


      The 2nd result for this query is a negative article:



      Asktheheadhunter.com: Bernard Haldane
      Professional headhunter explains how Bernard Haldane has been "busted" in several states by promising jobhunters access to the "secret job market" for a ...

    8. Re:Related phenomenon: Google bombing by geobeck · · Score: 1

      That's changed then; I was nearly suckered by them about two years ago, and at the time they had almost all of the Google results for their name.

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  33. Obligatory... by Cereal+Box · · Score: 1

    "Slashdot Breeds Worthless 'Original Content'?"

  34. All Content is Worthless by xoip · · Score: 1

    The overwhelming amount of information being recirculated, only serves to reinforce the law of diminishing marginal utility.
    This means that only those top ranked sites will be of any value.

  35. "..are effecting the quality of the web" by DJRB · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The quality of the Web is not affected by adding poor content. The reason is the Web is not really a single thing in the way that a novel is. You do not consume the Web as a whole like reading a book but rather pick out the content which is of interest to you. The quality of Web you get is determine by you as the Web as a whole has everything from the absolute worthless to pure gold.

    1. Re:"..are effecting the quality of the web" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, the web is like a library, whereas a webpage or site is like a book. /nitpick

    2. Re:"..are effecting the quality of the web" by DJRB · · Score: 1

      Exactly! Adding a lousy book to the library doesn't ruin the library. With a novel though, adding a lousy chapter does affect the book. I say novel because u read a novel in its entirety. If it were a reference manual however it is more like a library than a book in that it is a collection of things independent of (though related to) each other and as such no one part 'ruins' the whole as the whole is in a sense irrelevant.

  36. Ratings, ratings everywhere, but not a stop to thi by Jerry+Coffin · · Score: 2, Insightful
    So let's see. This story comes down to the fact that people are generally lazy, so given a choice, they'll try to accomplish their goal as easily as possible. What an amazing revelation!

    What's amazing to me is that a newspaper reporter would have the gall to try to act like this is anything new or different at all.

    The reality is that the vast majority of the "original content" in the average newspaper has (for decades) been created in nearly the same way. The majority of what they publish is no more than mildly edited versions of stories coming from outside sources. Most "business news" is no more than very mildly edited versions of press releases -- in fact, press releases often come with prewritten stories for the papers (and magazines, etc.) to publish. They'll often even have two or three stories to cover the "event" from a business angle, a human angle, etc. They'll make sure they throw in versions of a couple of different lengths as well, so it's trivial for the newspaper to carry it no matter how much or little space they need to fill.

    So what's really new here? About all I can think of is the fact that the web makes a lot of it much more transparent. It's much easier for most people to look at a dozen web sites and see they're all carrying essentially identical stories than for somebody reading a newspaper in Minnesota to see that people reading different newspapers in Alabama, California, and London are all reading essentially identical stories, each with a different "reporter's" name in the by-line.

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  37. effect of content on web ranking? by DeveloperAdvantage · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I thought a large portion of google's ranking was based on how many other pages linked to your web page. If this is the case, then just having "original" content and a few key words really should not make that big of a difference in page rankings. Perhaps this article itself was just copied from somewhere and is not accurate?

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    1. Re:effect of content on web ranking? by djonsson · · Score: 1

      The ultimate scam is of course to boost your ranking by providing original content so insightful that other people want to link it.

    2. Re:effect of content on web ranking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      many times the "real" original content is a bit search engine unfriendly,
      by manipulating the content a bit your crapola will rank first for keywords
      you want.

  38. Noise floor by AllenNg · · Score: 1

    What I know of the "Online Marketing" scene comes from my wife who involves herself in it.
    There are many other scenarios besides "search engine optimization" but, they all result in more of the same thing. Someone will find a way to automate the process and the noise floor of automated sites sending content/links/traffic/invitations to act now/etc. to each other without human eyes ever seeing it will rise.

    There's a cool sci-fi story in there somewhere...

  39. Yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hollywood has been doing this for YEARS!

  40. This is new? by robertjw · · Score: 1

    Has this guy ever heard of tabloid journalism? Paparazzi? How about the National Enquirer? Maybe People Magazine? Their are plenty of rags in this country and around the world that regularly print content that is at BEST unsubstantiated gossip, sometimes outright made up stories. Why do they print this? To make money and sell advertisments for x-ray glasses and boob creme.

    Even TV has it's 'news magazines' that contain questionable content. Ever watch "A Current Affair"? Making up bogus content to sell advertising is hardly new and hardly unique to the Internet. Based on the content of this article I would say the title could be changed to "Wall Street Journal Breeds Worthless 'Original Content'"?

    1. Re:This is new? by odin53 · · Score: 1

      While your overall point's still fine, it's funny that you call out the National Enquirer and People magazine. The National Enquirer currently enjoys a strong reputation for accuracy; during the OJ Simpson trial, for example, the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal and many other "trusted" sources quoted National Enquirer stories because they were consistently correct and timely. From what I understand, People magazine is also considered highly accurate. Their subject matter may be sensational and even vapid, but you apparently can't knock their accuracy.

    2. Re:This is new? by robertjw · · Score: 1

      My bad, I haven't actually read a copy of the National Enquirer since I was a kid in the 80's. It used to have more stories about UFOs and bigfoot than it did celebrity news. People may also be accurate, but often they have cover stories about rumoured breakups or the latest Hollywood gossip. While these stories are purposely speculatitive, they are also not complete accuracy and the gossip is used to sell advertising.

  41. The real loss is the 'Net is not fully searchable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With all the focus on ad revenue and search rankings, search engines have forgotten their original purpose - to catalog the Internet and make it possible to find information.

    Obscure information from individual sites is no longer indexed at all. Only commercial sites that are actively "promoted" are included in Googles index, for example. I have some obscure technical information on a personal site (sorry no URL, I'm an "Anonymous Coward"), which cannot be found in any search engine. It used to be findable by Google, but not anymore.

    There is a business opportunity for a new search engine that indexes everything. Of course, there is still the problem of eliminating the junk sites.

  42. Heisenburg by MatD · · Score: 1

    I believe you meant to say Heisenburg's page.

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    1. Re:Heisenburg by wertarbyte · · Score: 1

      I believe you meant to say Heisenburg's page.

      Looks like you were not uncertain about the spelling of his name.

      Does wikipedia have to use redirects for every misspelling there is? It's "Hindenburg" and "Heisenberg"!

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    2. Re:Heisenburg by Kitsune78 · · Score: 1

      Heisenburg theorized that nothing can be measured with perfect accuracy, therefore any two measurements will have different results.. however, the overall accuracy will be dependant upon the instrument (and as a result of the theory, even an infinitely accurate instrument will have slight inaccuracies) Shchroedinger created the cat parable to illustrate superposition, the idea that something exists in all possible states until its state is observed (ie. the cat was both dead and alive).

      Although neither of those two things really have much to do with a webpage, I would assume that a "Heisenburg page" would be one where, upon successive views, could have some variation, although at an extremely small level, and given that humans are imperfect, the variation would probably not be enough for us to detect..

      A "Schroedinger page" would be a page that would contain all possible information, until you viewed it and determined it's state.

      My vote is that the correct page would the Chaos Theory page.

      And that is how to suck all of the fun out of a simple joke.

    3. Re:Heisenburg by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1
      Although neither of those two things really have much to do with a webpage, I would assume that a "Heisenburg page" would be one where, upon successive views, could have some variation, although at an extremely small level, and given that humans are imperfect, the variation would probably not be enough for us to detect..


      I think that perfectly describes a subtly vandalized wikipedia page. A good example of this is this page.


      However, I'm afraid that by mentioning that this is a Heisenbug page, I spoiled the effect, except for the first visitor... But that's the nature of quantum mechanics...

  43. Search legitimate Sites Only by dthomas731 · · Score: 1

    Is there a search engine that searches known legitimate sites only?

  44. One word: Wikipedia by dpbsmith · · Score: 1

    Now, Wikipedia doesn't make money, and it's far from worthless, but to a large extent it is the perfect example of the kind of reprocessed content Lee Gomes is describing. Being edited by dedicated volunteers, Wikipedia can "afford" to do this on a large scale.

    Wikipedia articles tend to rank quite high in search results... and, being GFDL'ed, Wikipedia's articles are copied by dozens of other mirror sites.

    The scary result of all this is that I want to check a fact or find independent confirmation of an item in a Wikipedia article, if the item has been there for more than a few months, I frequently find that when I do plausible searches on it, most or even all of the hits are the Wikipedia article itself and its mirrors. It is sometimes quite hard to find any independent sources for the information.

    1. Re:One word: Wikipedia by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

      "mirror detection" would be nice.. and if google already has that, then "better mirror detection" would be nice. So it can group all those together and you can still say "find me one that /works/", but they wont all be the same thing.

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    2. Re:One word: Wikipedia by Riktov · · Score: 1

      Just tag a "-Wikipedia" to the search to filter out Wikipedia and all the mirror sites, which carry a statement attributing the content to Wikipedia.

  45. So...now what? by OmniChamp · · Score: 1

    It's just understood that any system that can be exploited for profit will be exploited for profit. So what can be done about this? I don't know if a human screening process will be effective or efficient since anybody can start up this sort of fake information site quickly and easily. Clearly people have found ways to trick Page Rank. Now I don't know too much about Page Rank, but how about having another variable involved to reward the age of a site (without it changing hands)? That screen could eliminate upstarts out for a quick buck. For example, some of the opinions and stories posted on Slashdot have been downright garbage (*ducks*), but since it's established for a long time, it carries a pretty good reputation and that's a good verification for authority of content validity right? I know it's not the best example for ORIGINAL content, but you get the idea.

  46. Spam sites by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 1

    Often I search for something in Google, and the top 5 results INCLUDING the sponsored link are all websites that simply take your keywords and generate a list of links to other websites or perform their own searches. I mean, how on earth can Google give top ranking to websites that generate content on the fly?

    Google was very quick to make an example out of BMW for artificially inflating their page ranking, but, I mean, BMW is an original content provider. I don't understand how Google can allow these spam crap sites to get top ranking using OBVIOUSLY deceptive practices.

    Google's whole page ranking system is flawed. It penalizes legitimate content providers if they do anything to increase their page ranking, but allow spam sites and portals to get top ranking. I can see why BMW would want their website ranked higher then the spam sites that are often listed in the top 5 almost by default now.

    And to even allow these spam sites to be sponsored links? Honestly, Google needs to learn how to turn down a buck by only taking money from legitimate content providers, they need to be a little more selective about their clientele.

    As much as everybody hypes about Google and their "miraculous" services, advertising, and page ranking technology, these same virtues will end up being Google's vices, especially if some other search engine starts weeding through the crap and only showing the websites with true content.

    What Google needs to do is beside every link listed, for registered users, offer a REAL rating system which allows users to suggest that the site is excellent, on topic, spam, broken, or simply crap. Google needs to start adding some humanity to their ranking system, their bots are failing to identify between premium content and the garbage that is flooding the net.

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    1. Re:Spam sites by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1

      Right on. I wish I had mod points right now so I can mod parent up.

      Google has been extremely frustrating to me, becaused I built a good website with tons of relevant info and high-quality content. It's been around for a quite a while now, 1 1/2 years, so my whining is not because the site is new. I did everything a good webmaster could be expected to do (including pay for my domain for 5 years), yet my site is still around #40 on Google for the particular keyword.

      # 15 through 40 for that keyword are full of COMPLETE SPAM SITES. Not only that, these are 1-page spam sites. My site has dozens of pages carefully crafted pages that took hundreds of hours of work.

      I'm sorry, but Google pagerank is complete crap. In my humble opinion.

  47. They are talking about 'SEO' junk by capedgirardeau · · Score: 1

    SEO is copy that is written to do nothing but passibly weave some keywords into a passage ostensibly about some subject.

    Search on elance for copy writers. It's nothing but offers for people to write 20 500 word 'articles' about a subject for 100 bucks.

    I don't remember if they supply you with the keywords to include in your copy or not. That might be what makes a good SEO writer v. a bad SEO writer.

    SEO means 'Search Engine Optimized' which means 'Generic pablum that has all the important keywords a few times in it.'

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  48. Original content - fabricated content? by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I see one danger in this hunt for "original content". Given the need that you have to have original AND if at all possible alarming content, people will start fabricating stories out of the blue, even more than they do already.

    Research costs time, and time's a scarce commodity in a medium that thrives on speed. The FIRST to have the story in will have his side read. Not the one who got all his facts right.

    So what we'll get to see are poorly, if at all, researched stories that will maybe, or not, get a revocation later. And I bet my rear that that revoc will not be high on the search engine index lists. I kinda doubt they'll META it with any relevant and a few irrelevant tags to get high level hits. Not to mention that few will link to it.

    What I can forsee is that "truth" becomes what has the most support. Not what is really true.

    Yes, even more than currently.

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    1. Re:Original content - fabricated content? by Hakubi_Washu · · Score: 1

      Hm, I don't usually search for news, and, frankly, I don't know anyone who does. What I search for is usually way more static and I don't care whether it is three years old, if it's the best hit to my search terms. My news are gathered from state television (in germany they go to great lengths to ensure being independent of the government, works surprisingly well), reuters.com, the cnn breaking-news feed (usually just good for a laugh) and a few other sources, depending on the topic I'm interested in (BBC, Al-Jazeera, etc.), all mixed with firm assumption that they all paint the picture of the event in the best light of their interests.

    2. Re:Original content - fabricated content? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You do. I do. A few more do.

      But most don't unfortunately. They read one source and accept it as the only truth.

      It's akin to religion, when you think about it...

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    3. Re:Original content - fabricated content? by MacFury · · Score: 1
      What I can forsee is that "truth" becomes what has the most support. Not what is really true.

      You mean like intelligent design being taught in classrooms? *ducks*

    4. Re:Original content - fabricated content? by Hakubi_Washu · · Score: 1

      I'm really not sure it's that bad (already?), I think TV still has a lot more influence in News than Search engines have, but competition is not necessarily good when truth is concerned, I agree.

    5. Re:Original content - fabricated content? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Good example of fabricated truth!

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  49. But don't check the page History! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That could alter the experiment...

  50. And then, if you want to be ranked even higher... by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 1
    Then, to get your site ranked high in search engines, it's best to have "original content" about whatever the subject of your site happens to be. The content needs to include all the keywords that people might search for.
    Then, if you want to get your site ranked higher, it's best to have "links" from trustworthy sites to your "original content". And in order to get that, you probably need "higher quality".

    So what's the problem?
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  51. It's been a problem for Technorati by Kelson · · Score: 1

    People will set up a site that just aggregates RSS feeds based on a few keywords, use those keywords as tags, then ping Technorati. This clutters up search results until someone at Technorati notices the site is junk, or someone reports it to Technorati as junk.

    The odd thing is, the keywords they choose aren't always what you'd expect to be popular spam terms. I've found some of my own posts showing up in scraped sites about things as mundane as coffee.

  52. Re:The SEC Called... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...to recommend that you post anonymously when dispensensing legal advice.

    Oh. You actually did do that. Hrmm. Carry on.

  53. The problem by Infonaut · · Score: 1

    So what's the problem?

    The problem is that on Slashdot, if you're a marketer, you're evil until proven otherwise.

    Of course, once you start up your own company and are competing against the likes of IBM, Microsoft, Sun, et. al., you realize that those competitors have tons of content on their sites, and thousands of inbound links, and all you have is a great product. So if you're smart, you'll start developing new content of your own that showcases your product, goes into detail about why the underlying technology is so good, describes how customers have used your product successfully, and so on.

    There's nothing wrong in that, and it's not gaming the system. Ignoring the fact that search engines work the way they do would be an incredibly stupid move, particularly since it works to the advantage of your larger, better-funded incumbent competitors.

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  54. It's economics by ghostlibrary · · Score: 1

    It used to be if you had these things called 'dollars', you got more attention. Dollars let rent other people's time. You could rent it directly, by subsidizing their entertainment (TV ads) or indirectly, by hiring people to go out and get attention drawn to you (marketing).

    Now, you can just spend time if you don't have dollars, and get more attention.

    Or, you can spend the time getting dollars, to pay other people to get more attention.

    So in some ways, search just removed the middleman. The issue is whether it's better to have attention because you're good at earning dollars, or because you had time to burn.

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  55. Remind me again how "capitalism" is "efficient". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why don't search engines just PAY USERS to edit/rank/moderate search listings, ie. reducing search entropy increases user's PayPal, E-gold, etc. slashdot karma points, whatever? Or that of the Wikipedia of their choice?

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  56. Content stuffing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dead on mate.

    I recently joined Elance, and I see a lot of RFQs for "30 Short Articles on Pet Care" which, of course, are accompanied by bids for 50 bucks by the usual army of "service providers". Often, the RFQs stipulate "articles are on same general topic, but writing style must vary slightly for each article".

    Nice eh?

  57. Google has cluttered the web by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    web is shit

    1. Re:Google has cluttered the web by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not completely. More like a big tureen of seafood chowder someone took a runny dump in. But you're right, the handwriting's on the wall. Almost as bad as TV (any flavor).

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  59. Hawthorne Effect by Sad+Loser · · Score: 2, Informative


    The Heisenberg Effect is a good geeky example, but the correct/ relevant the social sciences equivalent is the Hawthorne Effect.

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    1. Re:Hawthorne Effect by Insightfill · · Score: 1

      Thank you for catching this one - not enough people seem to know about the Hawthorne Effect by name, but it comes up more often in "life" (non-quantum) than the Heisenberg Effect.

  60. Blatant by SuperGhost · · Score: 1

    There will always be ways around the search engine "AI" - I stumbled across a method that works quite well without the need to create multiple sites... And rating a page cannot determine its validity because "what" they are rating is not determined (look, authenticity, colors, appeal, etc)

  61. Aaaaaargh!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The content needs to include all the keywords that people might search for. But it can't be just an outright copy of what's on some other site; you get penalized for that by search engines.

    Not by ask.com. There was an article on New Scientist yesterday about how they were getting rid of Jeeves, and claimed their engine was as good as Google.

    I tested it with the string "how to quit smoking mcgrew" to see if it could find that article I wrote for K5 a few years ago.

    I got at least a dozen pages plagairizing the work; the f'morons even left my name in. These were all commercial, ad-ridden sites.

    I'm getting a lawyer.

    (non-MRC="bushel")

  62. Is Yahoo! doing this? by cknudsen · · Score: 1

    I noticed Yahoo is not sending you directly to your search results. For example, if I do a Yahoo search on "open source event calendar", mouse-over the search results. The first result is my site http://www.k5n.us/, but that's not that URL. Instead it is:

    http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LaRWK35wVER6YAdQ1XNyoA ;_ylu=X3oDMTE2aWs4bWthBGNvbG8DdwRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMQRz ZWMDc3IEdnRpZANGNjU0Xzc1/SIG=11fp6kdli/EXP=1141324 087/**http%3A//www.k5n.us/index.php

    So, I'm wondering.... Is Yahoo tracking which sites get selected for a given search term???

    And, if so, is this a good thing? It would seem like a good thing since should improve the accuracy of the search results...

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  63. credibility indicators by ScentCone · · Score: 1

    Google needs to do a better job of weeding out the ilk but I don't see a technical way that they can do that. Does anyone? How would you code to recognize the difference between an original source and a rehash of the exact same material (with different wording)?

    Hmm. How about tracking the apparent age of any webs of links that point to that content? Or, for a more generalized credibility checkup, look at the domain registration. Does the .com also own the .net, .us, .info, etc? Are the domains registered for more than the next 6 months? There are all sorts of more meta-ish indicators of the overall credibility of a site, and that can be (and I'm certain is) used by people like Google to weight searc results.

    But I can tell you that sitting down and writing coherent, grammatically correct, well-punctuated content on a structurally clean web site to which a fair number of non-related (no common ownership, no obvious link farming, etc) other sites link will - on anything but the most common topics - jump you right up into the top results.

    To help stamp out the plagarists, just grab an occasional unique phrase from each of your hotter pages and Google that string. If other results come back, follow the trail and smack the pirates around as needed.

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  64. Everything bad must teh Google's fault. by twitter · · Score: 1
    Google is making it easy and profitable for people to engage in such behavior. The payments to AdSense participants are done via legal means (checks); hence Google has the ability to track down the offenders and sue them; and yet there has not been a single such case filed by Google for AdSense abuse.

    You and the author are full of beans. The author claims that Google encourages wholesale plagiarism, which is nonsense. You are claiming Google has a way of detecting said plagiarism and knowingly profits from it. That's not just nonsense, it's libel.

    I'd like to see you prove that Google is doing what you say. Go on, show me.

    The author's experiment is interesting first hand expereince, but he needs to learn a few more lessons about web economy. Plagiarism is a problem that's always been around. It's not near as bad as the page rank manipulation schemes that people use to promote bogus content. "Whirlywinds" has probably been doing way more than paying desperate people $0.15/hour to cut and paste content. From this statement,

    Colloidal silver is one of those bits of medical quackery that thrive on the unregulated Web.

    I think the author has some thinking to do about what a free press is all about. I consider his article poorly researched and I'm happy there are better sources of original content out there on the unregulated net.

    Blaming Google for other people's bad behavior is about as good as burning libraries for housing content you don't like. I have faith that Google is aware of the issues involved and will provide a fix soon enough. Google, despite lots of competition and attempted vandalism, is still the best search engine there is.

    Oh yeah, you can keep your koolaid for all your other chair throwing friends who hate Google.

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  65. That may be true... by C10H14N2 · · Score: 1

    It seems to me a bit more intelligent to form your communication based on how the living will receive it, rather than priding yourself on how people might speak when you are long since dead.

  66. All media breed worthless content by guardiangod · · Score: 1
    TV - reality shows


    Newspaper/Magazine - tabloids


    Book - bibliographies


    Cell phone - "OMG that guy is so stupid!!1!1!!" right next to you on the bus when you are just trying to sleep.


    email - "3n1arg3 ur p3n1s!!"



    You should just say humans breed worthless content.

  67. Google is dealing with this by Animats · · Score: 2, Informative
    In the article, the author wrote that he was hired to write copy to plug "colloidial silver". Google's first hit for "colloidial silver" is currently Quackwatch. "Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit". "Long-term use of silver preparations can lead to argyria, a condition in which silver salts deposit in the skin, eyes, and internal organs, and the skin turns ashen-gray." They have pictures.

    Google 1, search engine spammers 0.

    1. Re:Google is dealing with this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, Google's first legitimate result is indeed QuackWatch, but it is surrounded by eleven sponsored links for people selling colloidal silver, and most of the rest of the links on the first page are sellers as well.

      Google: 0.4 + $20, Spammers: 0.5 + $20, User: 0.1

  68. But its doesn't have an apostrophe by gillbates · · Score: 1

    Oh wait, you were using the contraction for it is - which is perfectly valid, even if it doesn't look right. Wonder how many grammer nazis impulsively wanted to correct you for using an apostrophe in its...

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  69. Along similar lines... by cdrguru · · Score: 1

    we have all heard of the proposal to make Pi=3.0, right? After all, if enough people decide that it should be so instead of some sequence of irrational digits then we can have it that way, right?

  70. BMW and Google by cknudsen · · Score: 1

    If I recall correctly, BMW got in trouble for generating different content for the GoogleBot versus normal browsers. How is Google supposed to tell what is valid content if someone like BMW does a bait-and-switch on them? In that case, BMW had it coming...

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  71. Human intervention by humankind · · Score: 1

    Ultimately, I believe that there is human intervention in many areas of the Google index. They know that a site like Wikipedia has premium content, and therefore it should not get outsmarted via SEO in many areas. I suspect there is some type of hidden weight ranking on a per-site or per-domain basis that helps offset what these traffic monetizing groups are doing.

  72. Any system will be gamed when money can be made by vinn01 · · Score: 1

    The act of observing something changes it ,

    This is part of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle and it applies to competitive capitalism.

    I hope that the followers of John Nash, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_nash , will someday publish an analysis of Google from a perspective of Game theory. (Game theory is a branch of applied mathematics that studies strategic situations where players choose different actions in an attempt to maximize their returns.)

    The people who can grok Google will become very wealthy.

  73. Cell by certel · · Score: 1

    They just need to put this crap everywhere so that people can't talking on their cell phones in buildings. Personally, it's annoying to hear people answer phones at work too.

  74. Speak as you see fit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and I will judge you as I see fit. You don't have to be proud of your intelligence if you don't want to, but if you refuse to display it then I will assume you do not have it, and act accordingly.

    When you speak incorrectly, I will use that information as data for other decisions I make about you, such as whether or not I hire you, or buy from you, or give you a loan, and so on.

    Intelligence is what elevates us above animals. The less of it you have, the more sub-human you are.

  75. When Google becomes useless . . . by d-e-w · · Score: 1

    What you really need to worry about is when companies Google-bomb the index in order to push "bad" info about their products 20-30+ pages down in the listings.

    For example, a couple of months ago, my husband's sister called us to complain that her newish Dell has taken to running slowly, with close to 100% CPU utilization at all times. Our immediate response: malware. Our question: what did you install prior to this problem? Her answer: Party Poker.

    I pop over to Google and search for "party poker" malware; "party poker" trojan; "party poker" adware; and various other combinations.

    FOR TWENTY+ pages of results, every link returned was to a site praising or advertising Party Poker. The shit-page bombing of the Google index was complete. I think that I got to about the 50th page of results before I started to find any information on the malware that party poker installs and it still wasn't that great of information. GoogleGroups finally got me the info that pointed me in the right directions. I'd expect pages like this if I'd just searched on Party Poker. But for them to poison the index in such a way that searches on "Party Poker" in combination with words that people might be using once their system had been infested by that program--malware, trojan, adware--was very disturbing. Given that the GoogleGroups postings I found about it were both old (1 year+) and newish (a couple of months), this program has been a long-term issue. And now, someone who doesn't understand how the Google index can be poisoned isn't going to find information about what installing the program might do/have done to their system.

    I don't know if the index is still poisoned in this way--as I said, it was a couple of months ago. But it has really made me look at Google differently, recently.

    1. Re:When Google becomes useless . . . by wastedbrains · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but this doesnt just promote crappy sites it hurts legit sites as well.
      I run a couple websites nothing huge, but I run one about Energy Drinks now so many companies are pretending to produce original content about drinks because energy drinks are booming. So they "create" more content by stripping any pages they find with similar content and reproducing the whole thing across their site. I found a couple complete spam blogs that had ripped more than half of my energy drink site and had all my words posted on their pages as their own. Which not only helps them. It makes my content not look original, but duplicated. I cant find any way to contact these sites, so i am just out of luck while they abuse my content.
      I have also found sites that are adding just random blog posts of mine to their own blogs so that it looks like they are updating multiple times a day.
      Lastly for all the people that say produce great content and hits will follow, people still need to be able to find your content. If you made an amazing video but only had it linked once from an obscure website, it means no on but you and your close friends will ever find it.
      I love orignal and unique content and wouldnt say everyone putting orginal content on thier sites are polluting the web, but I would say that those spamming random content, building nonsense pages with keyword values. Or posting about nothing with the highest search technorati term as your post title just so people at your blogs is cheap and your site should be deindexed. not just downgraded, but i would love to see a search that promised NO SPAM sites, as you browse report any site and if a enough people report it someone with human eyes checks it out.

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  76. Nice post by Runesabre · · Score: 1

    Well said, very much what I was thinking.

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  77. active vs passive by drewness · · Score: 1

    I think you are confused about active vs passive. Active is when the syntactic and thematic subject are the same: "I brought the laptop to work.", while passive is when the thematic object is the syntactic subject and a form of 'to be' is used, and if the thematic subject appears it is in a 'by' phrase: "The laptop was brought to work (by me)." 'bring' and 'take' are both transitive verbs, so they can passivize, unlike intransitives. (Try making "I ran to the store." passive.)

    Not to mention that what prepositional phrases a verb subcategorizes for can vary by dialect.

    And I highly doubt that the average vocabularly size has gone down in the past 100 years. I'd go as far as to say it has probably increased. It seems like the size has gone down because people with less education have greater access to creating media than 100 years ago thanks to things like mimeography/xerography and the Internet, so you see a lot more writing that hasn't been filtered through a copy editor.

  78. Wrong, wrong, wrong! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You sir, are incorrect. Situational irony does exist. It occurs when a given situation turns out to be different from what we expected. Maybe you would've seen that if you had read the rest of the Wikipedia entry.

    Too many slashdotters are too quick to spread misinformation about subjects of which they know little.

  79. REPORT IT!!! by FatSean · · Score: 1

    Report the site to the advertising company! Tell them what you told us. Maybe the advert companies don't care...but I'm willing to be they do.

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  80. The end must be near. by GeneralEmergency · · Score: 1

    Woa to us all.

    A niggling language usage post like mine has ACTUALLY resulted in a /. editor CORRECTING story post copy!

    I'd go outside to celebrate, but I'm afraid that I'll be knee deep in cats mating with dogs.

    Be afraid.

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  81. Report spam sites to Google by metamatic · · Score: 1

    Report spam sites to Google and they'll (eventually) ban them.

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  82. Go look at RentaCoder... by afabbro · · Score: 1

    On RentACoder, there are a ton of jobs looking for people to write "100 short articles about auto repair" and junk like that. All of that garbage is going to drive search engine rankings.

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  83. Re:Ratings, ratings everywhere, but not a stop to by drew · · Score: 1

    This story comes down to the fact that people are generally lazy, so given a choice, they'll try to accomplish their goal as easily as possible. What an amazing revelation!

    What's amazing to me is that a newspaper reporter would have the gall to try to act like this is anything new or different at all.


    You miss the point. He's being an exemplar of the point he is trying to make. How brilliant!

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  84. Worthless to whom? by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1
    The key thing here is that we have technologies like pagerank that sorts out which content is considered most noteworthy or not.

    If a subject is big enough like "holidays", the chances of your worthless content getting to the top of google's pile is unlikely. There's too much good writing on the subject.

    However, people will often settle for less good content over none. If you put in certain quite narrow keywords, you'll get a page of mine to do with restaurants in my town up. It's not fantastically written, but it's up at the top because there's not much that gives a better result for those keywords.

  85. Forget it, just say "impact" ... by aquarian · · Score: 1

    Ah, the degeneration of our language, by supposedly educated people...

  86. Well, let's see by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

    if ninety-nine percent of everything is, truly, crud ... the yes, I can see the Web being full of worthless content, original or otherwise.

    Of course, five minutes with a search engine will tell you that.

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  87. worthless content? by marafa · · Score: 1

    and who said that "traditional media" has worthy content?

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  88. What's the problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Searching for "party poker" malware; "party poker" trojan; "party poker" adware (to quote your comment) returns lots of good links on the first page, with no "site praising or advertising Party Poker". The only advert that I get is one for "Trojan Adware".

  89. The illusion of completeness by QuincyDurant · · Score: 1

    Because the Web has so many articles, it is easy to imagine that they represent nearly everything that has been written on a subject. However, the first 30 search results often merely repeat, sometimes erroneously, the same thing. Wikipedia is only one example. Try searching for the lyrics of a popular song. If someone has made a mistake, it is replicated so much that you start singing it that way in your shower. On almost any given subject, especially in the humanities or social sciences, the difference between what is available on the Internet and what is available in a library is astounding. A "Google Books" search provides some insight into this problem, which is caused by the proprietary nature of much "content," keeping it off the Web.