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The Face of One AOL Searcher Exposed

Juha-Matti Laurio writes "No. 4417749 conducted hundreds of searches over a three-month period on topics ranging from "numb fingers" to "60 single men" to "dog that urinates on everything., report NYT journalists Michael Barbaro and Tom Zeller Jr., but with a permission from Mrs. Thelma Arnold, 62. "Those are my searches," she said, after a reporter read part of the list to her, continues the article."

315 comments

  1. What a ho by mgblst · · Score: 4, Funny

    "60 single men"
     
    At her age. I think she should be happy with a couple, but 60... gotta admire her!

    1. Re:What a ho by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mrs. Thelma Arnold, 62

      Let's hope MR. Arnold doesn't find out.

    2. Re:What a ho by mazarin5 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps he's dead. Widows will still use Mrs.

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    3. Re:What a ho by curecollector · · Score: 1

      ...and I'd imagine that a lot more than her fingers would be numb.

    4. Re:What a ho by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1

      She wants to go out with a bang. A GANG bang.

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  2. Hmm by Iamthefallen · · Score: 5, Funny

    User 48956332 Perl For Dummies
    User 48956332 HTML 4, whats the big deal
    User 48956332 Howto use sandboxen in development
    User 48956332 What is CSS
    User 48956332 Unit testing
    User 48956332 Spelcheking
    User 48956332 Why is Digg growing so fast?

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    1. Re:Hmm by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Funny

      User 48956332 Preventing Dupes.
      User 48956332 Preventing Dupes.
      User 48956332 Preventing Dupes.
      User 48956332 Preventing Dupes.

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    2. Re:Hmm by A.+Bosch · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      So User 48956332 is Cowboy Neal?

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    3. Re:Hmm by pedalman · · Score: 1

      ME TOO!

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    4. Re:Hmm by JPDeckers · · Score: 5, Funny
      Love browsing the data. As I noticed yesterday, a nice trace for user 14109288 (stripped a bit for readability):

      sexual positions 2006-05-22 21:57:18 http://www.sexualpositionsfree.com/
      sexual positions 2006-05-22 21:57:18 http://www.askmen.com/
      sexual positions 2006-05-22 21:57:18 http://www.condoms.au.com/
      premature ejaculation 2006-05-22 22:20:23 http://www.webmd.com/

      Note the timestamps of the last two lines, sounds like he had, well, an evening that did not go as planned

    5. Re:Hmm by Ant2 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Inevitable...

      16432953 las vegas shemale escorts 2006-05-10 12:51:11 http://lasvegas.sexydepo.com/
      16432953 chicago shemale escorts 2006-05-10 13:16:33 http://www.eros-chicago.com/
      16432953 chicago shemale escorts 2006-05-10 13:16:33 http://www.eros-chicago.com/
      16432953 shemale escorts in tampa 2006-05-10 22:45:29 http://www.eros-tampa.com/
      16432953 how to clean computer hard drive 2006-05-09 13:11:50 http://www.microsoft.com/

    6. Re:Hmm by Ant2 · · Score: 1

      You just can't make this stuff up!

      16582590 paranoia 2006-04-12 22:02:48
      16582590 paranoia 2006-04-12 22:06:47
      16582590 paranoia 2006-04-12 22:07:10
      16582590 paranoia 2006-04-12 22:07:32
      16582590 paranoia 2006-04-12 22:01:09
      16582590 paranoia 2006-04-12 21:59:32
      16582590 paranoia 2006-04-12 21:52:42
      16582590 paranoia 2006-04-12 21:52:26
      16582590 paranoia 2006-04-12 21:50:31
      16582590 paranoia 2006-04-12 21:50:07
      16582590 dillusions 2006-04-12 21:34:54

    7. Re:Hmm by LHorstman · · Score: 1

      While browsing a search for porn I found this:

      24824393 free porn 2006-05-29 19:41:35
      19539506 free porn 2006-04-09 10:56:40
      19254818 6-12 kiddie porn 2006-05-22 00:24:52 http://business.newsforge.com/
      21595924 family guy porn 2006-04-19 23:05:46 http://www.midon.com/
      21595924 naruto porn 2006-04-19 19:58:44 http://www.freenarutohentai.com/

      Is there something the editors of Newsforge need to tell us?

    8. Re:Hmm by LBt1st · · Score: 1

      18114903 www.yahoo.com 2006-05-25 23:48:16 http://www.yahoo.com/

      18114903 www.yahoo.com 2006-05-25 23:48:16 http://www.yahoo.com/

      18114903 www.myspace.com 2006-05-25 23:59:37 http://www.myspace.com/

      18114903 www.yahoo.com 2006-05-26 14:15:06 http://www.yahoo.com/

      18114903 www.myspace.com 2006-05-26 14:17:28 http://www.myspace.com/

      18114903 www.yahoo.com 2006-05-26 14:42:29 http://www.yahoo.com/

      18114903 google 2006-05-26 19:32:16 http://www.google.com/

      18114903 www.yahoo.com 2006-05-26 19:39:35 http://www.yahoo.com/

      18114903 yellowpages 2006-05-29 21:43:49 http://www.yellowpages.com/

      wtf?

    9. Re:Hmm by paanta · · Score: 1
      even better, same user:

      16432953 blood in stools 2006-05-11 20:53:34 http://www.cancer.org/

    10. Re:Hmm by paanta · · Score: 1

      I don't mean to imply that cancer is funny. Just that maybe you should be more careful with the shemales.

    11. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kevin Rose has finally been exposed!

    12. Re:Hmm by crabpeople · · Score: 1

      I took that to mean he has a fetish that i never heard of before (rare). Blood in stool fetish.. /shudder

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    13. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do not know what to make of this. I just thought it needed to be shared. 16872638 incest father encourage touch penis 2006-03-26 20:04:02 http://muse.jhu.edu/ 16872638 incest father encourage touch penis 2006-03-26 20:04:02 http://nasw.org/ 16872638 incest father encourage touch penis 2006-03-26 20:04:02 http://www.fhi.org/ 16872638 list drugs interact with each other 2006-03-29 01:02:06 http://www.centerfordrugsafety.org/ 16872638 list drugs interact with each other 2006-03-29 01:02:06 http://www.fda.gov/ 16872638 list drugs interact with each other 2006-03-29 01:41:37 http://www.personalmd.com/ 16872638 ohio senate bill 17 2006-03-29 01:45:09 http://www.hslda.org/ 16872638 ohio senate bill 17 2006-03-29 01:45:09 http://www.ohiosenatebill17.org/ 16872638 ohio victim counseling service prosecute 2006-03-29 01:46:34 http://www.usdoj.gov/ 16872638 victim witness coordinator in columbus ohio 2006-03-29 01:50:26 http://www.sexualassaultresources.org/ 16872638 victim witness coordinator in columbus ohio 2006-03-29 01:50:26 http://odmrdd.state.oh.us/ 16872638 victim witness coordinator in columbus ohio 2006-03-29 01:50:26 http://www.drc.state.oh.us/ 16872638 victim witness coordinator in columbus ohio 2006-03-29 01:50:26 http://www.odvn.org/ 16872638 victim witness coordinator in columbus ohio 2006-03-29 01:50:26 http://www.ag.state.oh.us/ 16872638 victim witness coordinator in columbus ohio 2006-03-29 01:50:26 http://www.drc.state.oh.us/ 16872638 victim witness coordinator in columbus ohio 2006-03-29 01:50:26 http://www.drc.state.oh.us/ 16872638 victim witness coordinator in columbus ohio 2006-03-29 01:50:26 http://www.drc.state.oh.us/ 16872638 victim witness coordinator in columbus ohio 2006-03-29 01:50:26 http://www.usdoj.gov/ 16872638 victim witness coordinator in columbus ohio 2006-03-29 01:50:26 http://www.usdoj.gov/ 16872638 multiple drug interactions paroxetine 2006-03-30 12:57:21 16872638 multiple drug interactions safety 2006-03-30 12:57:56 16872638 drug interaction checker safety 2006-03-30 12:58:47 16872638 dictionary words that start with 2006-03-30 14:05:03 http://dictionary.reference.com/ 16872638 dictionary words that start chu 2006-03-30 14:06:58 http://www.hyperdic.net/ 16872638 case history woman abuse childhood rape 2006-03-30 17:58:32 http://www.womanabuseprevention.com/ 16872638 case history woman abuse childhood rape 2006-03-30 17:58:32 http://www.survivorinfo.org/ 16872638 case history woman abuse childhood rape 2006-03-30 17:58:32 http://www.musc.edu/ 16872638 case history woman abuse childhood rape 2006-03-30 17:58:32 http://www.thedoctorwillseeyounow.com/ 16872638 case history woman abuse childhood rape 2006-03-30 17:58:32 http://escapinghades.pandys.org/

  3. The Beauty of the Internet by markild · · Score: 2, Informative

    Didn't take too long before it leaked all over the place, eh?

    http://www.aolsearchdatabase.com/

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    1. Re:The Beauty of the Internet by bytesex · · Score: 1

      Nice sig - I thought it said 'Toast just fell from the sky'. Would make sense, wouldn't it - what with Mulder saying 'Lunch ?' eh ? Ramble ramble...

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    2. Re:The Beauty of the Internet by markild · · Score: 1

      lol ;)

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    3. Re:The Beauty of the Internet by devaudio · · Score: 1

      Warning: mysql_fetch_array(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result resource in /var/www/vhosts/aolsearchdatabase.com/httpdocs/sea rch.php\\ is what i get there -- seems like the AOL people really like mysql?

    4. Re:The Beauty of the Internet by Asic+Eng · · Score: 1

      I wonder whether they collect the search terms people use on their interface. If so, will they publish them?

    5. Re:The Beauty of the Internet by KC7JHO · · Score: 1

      So ethicaly what should be done about this searcher? 23858144 Nurse, american indian, tatooed, sex offender, looking for a map of public schools in tulsa oklahoma. Keep in mind that the person making the searches MAY not be one and same referanced in each search. Just an interesting question to me.

  4. Search string by KiloByte · · Score: 5, Funny
    "dog that urinates on everything., report NYT journalists Michael Barbaro and Tom Zeller Jr., but with a permission from Mrs. Thelma Arnold, 62. "
    Hmm... an interesting search query.
    But at least it looks like my code isn't the only place invaded by quote-abducting aliens.
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    1. Re:Search string by Castar · · Score: 1

      Ah ha! User 54620096, I found you!

      User 54620096 quote abducting aliens
      User 54620096 code quotes
      User 54620096 quote aliens
      User 54620096 where are my quotes you bastards
      User 54620096 sex with sandwich
      User 54620096 quotealien

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  5. Nothing we can do! by mgblst · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Asked about Ms. Arnold, an AOL spokesman, Andrew Weinstein, reiterated the companys position that the data release was a mistake. We apologize specifically to her, he said. There is not a whole lot we can do.
     
    What a load... there is plenty you can do AOL. You can promise not to release this data again, you can actively hunt for it on the web. You can promise to delete your copy. You can promise that you won't keep data like this anymore. You can implement better security policies so that you know where your data is, and what is hapenning with it. You can limit the people who have access to posting stuff on your website.

    Useless bastards!

    1. Re:Nothing we can do! by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 4, Insightful

      On behalf of AOL, let me clarify... what they meant to say was "there is not a whole lot we could do that wouldn't interfere with the lucrative data-mining business."

    2. Re:Nothing we can do! by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The data is out there, what exactly could they do?
      Erase it from peoples hard drives, remove it from all the pipes that its in, drug everyone who has seen it?

      The fact they have this data is one thing, releasing it to the public is another.

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    3. Re:Nothing we can do! by argo747 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Exactly. Corporations have no interest in protecting their consumers... unless it pays.

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      Quis custodiet custodes ipsos?
    4. Re:Nothing we can do! by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 4, Insightful

      and they can pay hundreds of miliions of dollars in damages.

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    5. Re:Nothing we can do! by MrShaggy · · Score: 1

      Lets hope that their new ad-based revenue scheme will be up to the task. If It was me, id be suing. 1million or so per person. I heard that there were 500,000 or so? If I am wrong, then feel-free to send out the nazis... At this point in time it could mean the end of the company... mmmmmmmmmmm

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    6. Re:Nothing we can do! by Alex+P+Keaton+in+da · · Score: 1

      Not to burst your bubble... but- A: there is no way 500,000 people would each win a million dollars. B: It is simple law/business- if someone wins that kind of suit against you, you go bankrupt and reorganize. For example- you hit me in your car, and you have no insurance. I sue you for $1 million and win. You don't have a million $. (I am not saying you personaly, just the "you" example.) So what do you do? You go bankrupt. That way you keep most of your assets, and I am S.O.L. Businesses can do pretty much the same thing.

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    7. Re:Nothing we can do! by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      It would also drag Time Warner kicking and screaming with it. MAYBE just MAYBE that will teach the companies something about stupid pointless consolidation..
      I doupt it though.

    8. Re:Nothing we can do! by cortana · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why should they? Consumers have shown time and time again that they don't give a shit about how ethically a corporation acts, only about how cheap their products are. :(

    9. Re:Nothing we can do! by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      Well, you're taking the quote out of context... he was speaking about Mrs. Arnold's case, and the already released data.

      We at slashdot should know more than anyone that once data is "out there" on the net, it never goes away.

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    10. Re:Nothing we can do! by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To be fair, there isn't a whole lot AOL can do about the data that's already been released. In fact, nothing. That genie's out of the bottle, and while it is totally their fault for allowing someone to make such an enormously foolish and potentially dangerous decision, they have stated that they are taking steps so that it won't happen again. Believe me, with so many people looking for an excuse to further bash AOL, they won't dare let this kind of thing continue.

      "Not keeping data like this" doesn't make any sense at all and doesn't accomplish any good for customers. Indeed there is great value in understanding what searches are made and how the search process can be improved. Keeping this kind of data secure is sufficient in my mind. The last two sentences are something I would agree with.

      I just have to wonder who would be stupid enough to not realize the ramifications of doing this. It doesn't take "thorough vetting" to figure out that this would cause a firestorm of bad publicity.

      Of course, the real lesson here is: Don't do anything on the Internet you wouldn't want your mother to find out about. There is no anonymity on the Web. It doesn't take a stupid decision by a large company to prove this.

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    11. Re:Nothing we can do! by Megane · · Score: 1

      What a load... there is plenty you can do AOL. You can promise not to release this data again, you can actively hunt for it on the web.

      Bottle, meet Genie. Genie, meet... hey, where did that Genie go?

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    12. Re:Nothing we can do! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Or more like...

      "C'mon, these are AOL users we are talking about...we never expected them to find out".

    13. Re:Nothing we can do! by paralaxcreations · · Score: 1

      And then hope you never get hit in the rear again.

    14. Re:Nothing we can do! by j79zlr · · Score: 1

      $30/month is NOT cheap for dial-up.

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    15. Re:Nothing we can do! by rifter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The data is out there, what exactly could they do? Erase it from peoples hard drives, remove it from all the pipes that its in, drug everyone who has seen it?

      The fact they have this data is one thing, releasing it to the public is another.

      When it is data that they *care* about, corporations seem able to do plenty. If it's their source code, the code to decss, TimeWarnerAol's labels' mp3 files, the latest incriminating memos/emails ... they are positively rabid about protecting it. Cease and desist orders fall like rain, sites get shut down, people get sued for millions and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But if it's their customers' data, like these searches, their email addresses, their credit card numbers, etc. They just shrug and say "Oh well. What canya do?"

      It's typical, frustrating, and complete bullshit. If the privacy laws were enforced and these corporations were punished for such egregious mishandling of our data maybe then they might think they can do something. But unless it directly affects them, they just are not going to care and will continue to take no precautions.

    16. Re:Nothing we can do! by dourk · · Score: 3, Funny

      remove it from all the pipes that its in

      Tubes, my friend. Tubes.

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    17. Re:Nothing we can do! by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Well, they could do something, rather than nothing. Maybe they could even to anything, which is also better than nothing.

      They can look for people hosting the data, which I have seen, and send the cease and desist letters.

      They can make the data illegal to look at and play around with.

      They can tell media outlets that they will send in the lawyers to people who use this data.

    18. Re:Nothing we can do! by Bob9113 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      they have stated that they are taking steps so that it won't happen again.

      That is not enough. It is one thing when you get caught kicking a dog to say, "I won't kick the dog again." It is another, and far more noble, thing to say, "I will begin actively campaigning for the ASPCA." There has to be some accountability; not necessarily punishment, but retribution. For example, AOL could take steps to prevent any company from doing this again (promoting corporations to have data privacy built into their customer contract, lobbying for data purge laws, lobbying for privacy rights acts). If they do not, then they have done nothing but say, "We will feign remorse when we get caught." That is not good enough.

    19. Re:Nothing we can do! by toochoos · · Score: 1

      Another (though quite unlikely) explanation:
      They just found out they couldn't find good enough algorithms to learn from this bunch of data and preferred to have zillions of curious people browse through it, and tag the corpus for them!

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    20. Re:Nothing we can do! by plague3106 · · Score: 2, Informative

      If I'm not mistaken, bankruptcy does not free you from court ordered payments. You must still pay those.

    21. Re:Nothing we can do! by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "On behalf of AOL, let me clarify... what they meant to say was "there is not a whole lot we could do that wouldn't interfere with the lucrative data-mining business.""

      More like what they meant to say was, "there is not a whole lot we can do right now because our lawyers are threatening to castrate us if we say anything else to people who have been affected by this".

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    22. Re:Nothing we can do! by rifter · · Score: 1

      To be fair, there isn't a whole lot AOL can do about the data that's already been released. In fact, nothing. That genie's out of the bottle, and while it is totally their fault for allowing someone to make such an enormously foolish and potentially dangerous decision, they have stated that they are taking steps so that it won't happen again. Believe me, with so many people looking for an excuse to further bash AOL, they won't dare let this kind of thing continue.

      It's hard to believe that they won't let this kind of thing happen again. This is only one in a long series of similar gaffes for them, and just like every other time they are doing nothing at all about it. They are just pulling a Rumsfeld by saying that they take responsibility and are "taking steps," but they haven't said what steps, and no heads rolled for what is clearly a breach of basic security and corporate protocols and probably the law. It's not enough to say "there's nothing we can do" and then claim to be "taking steps." They should actually *do* something. At the very least some heads should roll here, some processes should get changed, and some assurances should be given as to what has been done and what guarantee these changes have of preventing the same thing happen in future.

    23. Re:Nothing we can do! by Pollardito · · Score: 1

      let's be honest, the thing that they did that "they won't do again" is release this information publically. lots and lots of people got this information without paying AOL for it, and it also brought all this publicity. they'll keep giving out the data, they'll just get paid for it and the people they give it to won't want you to know they were given it either so you won't hear about it.

      this isn't at all unlike that AOL employee they fired for spending 10 minutes trying to badger that guy into not cancelling his subscription. he wasn't doing anything they didn't want him to do (whether they explicitly told him to do it in that manner is another matter), the thing that they didn't like was that he was taped doing it.

    24. Re:Nothing we can do! by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      If they do not, then they have done nothing but say, "We will feign remorse when we get caught." That is not good enough.

      You're right, I guess. But that's what everyone else does, including the government. Why should we expect any different?

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    25. Re:Nothing we can do! by nytes · · Score: 1
      If I'm not mistaken, bankruptcy does not free you from court ordered payments. You must still pay those.
      I'm not so sure about that. AFAIK, OJ Simpson lost the wrongful death civil case against him big time, but has yet to pay a dime of it.
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    26. Re:Nothing we can do! by andrewman327 · · Score: 2, Funny
      The data is out there, what exactly could they do? Erase it from peoples hard drives, remove it from all the pipes that its in, drug everyone who has seen it?


      Attention /.ers reading this article, please remove your sunglasses and look directly into the screen. You have been browsing /. all day and have not found any mention of AOL other than how wonderful it is. As a matter of fact you were just thinking about how nice it would be to switch. Thank you and have a nice day.

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    27. Re:Nothing we can do! by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      I'm not so sure about that. AFAIK, OJ Simpson lost the wrongful death civil case against him big time, but has yet to pay a dime of it.

      First, I don't recall hearing OJ filed (and got) bancruptcy. Second, I believe I recall he entered in a settlement with them, the terms of which are secret.

      If what you're saying is true, he should be in jail.

    28. Re:Nothing we can do! by Bob9113 · · Score: 1

      Why should we expect any different?

      Indeed. That is the million dollar question. Or, perhaps, "How can we move our world toward a state where we expect something different?"

    29. Re:Nothing we can do! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
      You don't have a million $. (I am not saying you personaly, just the "you" example.) So what do you do? You go bankrupt. That way you keep most of your assets, and I am S.O.L. Businesses can do pretty much the same thing.

      Actually, at least where I am, the laws on bankruptcy changed recently. It's still easy for corporations, but not so easy for individuals, and even if you do manage to declare bankruptcy, it clears far fewer classes of debt than it used to.

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    30. Re:Nothing we can do! by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1
      You're right, I guess. But that's what everyone else does, including the government. Why should we expect any different?

      Because until we expect any different, we won't get any different.

    31. Re:Nothing we can do! by assassinator42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, AOL intentionally released this. I'm not sure what license they gave it. If it's not illegal, can AOL stop people from spreading it?

    32. Re:Nothing we can do! by harmonica · · Score: 1

      "Not keeping data like this" doesn't make any sense at all and doesn't accomplish any good for customers. Indeed there is great value in understanding what searches are made and how the search process can be improved. Keeping this kind of data secure is sufficient in my mind. The last two sentences are something I would agree with.

      Doesn't AOL simply query Google? I don't think they're doing research to improve searches. And Google itself obviously gets the queries so they can use it to improve the "search experience". The only reason I've heard why AOL keeps query data is to offer their clients a search history of one month.

    33. Re:Nothing we can do! by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      Well I for one get the joke, shame you have been modded a troll.

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    34. Re:Nothing we can do! by andrewman327 · · Score: 1

      Thank you. I guess MIB isn't a geeky enough to cite on /. what a shame. It is a good movie.

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    35. Re:Nothing we can do! by nytes · · Score: 1
      Hmmm. You may be right. Wikipedia says he hasn't filed.

      But, while looking for info on OJ, I found this page which says:
      Q: Can a judgment obtained as a result of a wrongful death be discharged in bankruptcy?

      A: Possibly. The bankruptcy code permits the discharge of negligence damages. But some bankruptcy courts may make damages resulting from "recklessness" or gross negligence non- dischargeable.
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    36. Re:Nothing we can do! by pAnkRat · · Score: 1

      (obligatory simpsons quote)
      marge: Homer, you lied to me, again, what do you have to say in your defence?
      homer: Marge, I lied to you because I thought you would never find out.

      (from: homer gets a gun)

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    37. Re:Nothing we can do! by corrie · · Score: 1

      Your comment is already at +5 Ins, so I can't do my bit by modding it up.

      Here's a heartfealt commendation: I think your post was one of the few that added something useful and, yes, insightful to the disscussion, and I could not agree more with it.

      Here's a quote from the NYT article covering the removal of the data from the AOL website:

      "AOL said the publication of the data was a violation of internal policies and issued a strongly worded apology."

      Thanks, AOL. Millions of people out there feel so much better.

    38. Re:Nothing we can do! by rifter · · Score: 1

      Well, AOL intentionally released this. I'm not sure what license they gave it. If it's not illegal, can AOL stop people from spreading it?

      If AOL are to be believed, it's not quite as simple as all that. They claim some group within AOL released this info without going through proper channels. Now if that were true it would violate any corporation's policy, because releasing that kind of data usually requires much higher authority than a local department.

      As far as the legality of the information, I would say there is a good argument that the release of this information violates privacy laws, and even if it does not, it was unauthorized release of confidential information held by a corporation which makes it just as illegal as the leaked code to Windows. I don't recall microsoft allowing people to get away with registering a domain called downloadthewhistlercodehere.com and then providing it there. Why can't AOL at least make a show of trying to stop people? Why aren't they punishing their employees for violating the policy? If I'd released anything like this kind of information from any corporation I have ever worked for I would be fired on the spot.

      And why is it that no investigation is forthcoming into whether this constitutes a violation of privacy laws either by employees or AOL itself? If these laws, which were passed to prevent this sort of thing (mishandling of customer data held by a corporation) have no teeth what good are they?

  6. Torpark by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Informative

    I guess this just goes to show that you should be using something like Torpark even when merely conducting an online search. It's a shame but if you value your privacy, I guess it's necessary.

    Keep those IPs changing so they can't track and accumulate your searches I guess. I don't want a dossier of my searches available to the public.

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    1. Re:Torpark by b4stard · · Score: 1

      Deleting cookies on a regular basis is probably a good idea too.

    2. Re:Torpark by FireFury03 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I guess this just goes to show that you should be using something like Torpark even when merely conducting an online search.

      Whilest protecting your privacy does, on the surface, seem like a good thing, I wonder if it might count against you if you were ever suspected of a crime. We've already seen 'he has some encrypted data' used as evidence (even though the contents of the encrypted file weren't known) in one successful conviction, I suspect 'he's using privacy protection software called Tor' may go down the same way.

      Remember, only people who have something to hide care about protecting their privacy. :)

    3. Re:Torpark by z0idberg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      At the very least do your searching through an engine that is separate to your ISP.

      A customer of AOL searching through AOL has their searches linked to you as an individual. If you search through google then they get your IP address, and your ISP knows which IP address links to which individual at any one time (open Wifi networks aside). But at least the same company doesnt know both.

      The data AOL released was the equivalent of any other search engine releasing its searches with IP addresses, so the same damage could be done by any other search engines logs, but imagine how much a marketing company would pay for that info from AOL with the personal details for each user included (i.e. Age, Sex, location etc.).

    4. Re:Torpark by Eivind · · Score: 1

      changing ips *AND* blocking of cookies is needed to avoid leaving a single continous trail at any site you visit regularily.

    5. Re:Torpark by cnettel · · Score: 1

      Your searches, combined with Google Adsense data for that same IP, gives you a very good picture of who the person is, possibly close enough to an identity (and certainly close enough to give an accurate estimate of demographics).

    6. Re:Torpark by crashelite · · Score: 1

      dont forget your proxies... or just VPN into ur work network and use that... i bet your boss would love that!

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    7. Re:Torpark by m-wielgo · · Score: 1

      And clear your cache as well... [Silence on the Wire ch 14, (Michal Zalewski)]

    8. Re:Torpark by Rebuke · · Score: 1

      I don't know if this is the case or not, but if AOL's anything like Google, they may also use a cookie to track you, so just using something like Torpark won't help, you also need to disable cookies...

    9. Re:Torpark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
      "But at least the same company doesnt know both."


      That is not completely correct. Remember, your ISP knows both who you are and what you searched for at any of the search engines.

      The next big privacy nightmare may be an ISP (and not a search engine) opening up its logs.
    10. Re:Torpark by Kyeo · · Score: 1

      But if the person's IP is dynamic, then identification becomes significantly more difficult.

    11. Re:Torpark by DrXym · · Score: 1

      The thing is, Google can probably infer who you are in a lot of cases even if you went to the trouble of deleting your cookies. They might still be able to re-associate with you through your ip address (even a block), your user agent, and your search criteria. A large ISP might be a tough nut to crack since it contains invisible proxies and other nonsense but other ISPs might allow them to reassociate in a lot of cases. And of course if you use any google services that require you to log in, then you're totally screwed. The same goes for any other portals that feature sign-in with search and other services, e.g. Yahoo, MSN etc.

    12. Re:Torpark by jgmitchell · · Score: 1

      Even if you have nothing to hide and the use of privacy software could be used against you, there is nothing wrong with protecting your identity from the websites you visit. I still get weirded out when I see something like, "Look at these slutty teens from Wichita." I like it a lot more when it says "Want to meet some hot singles in Germany tonight?"

      Something like this wouldn't protect the AOL users, using the AOL branded search. The users log in through their ISP and that is why it is able to be linked directly to a user. Wouldn't matter if they random IP addresses or not.

    13. Re:Torpark by infolib · · Score: 1

      Yes, and if you have an always-on computer, please consider running a TOR server. TOR includes mechanisms for limiting bandwidth usage and blocking certain connections at your choice.

      Also, keep the cookies down. I personally block google cookies and those of a bunch of other ad vendors - these are the data that would give the most away about me. I really ought to run something like Privoxy

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    14. Re:Torpark by jagilbertvt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you people RTFA, the reporter was able to find her based on her queries, not her IP Address or anything else. Torpack wouldnt help, nor would using a different search engine (after all, that search engine could be compliling the same data about your searches), unless you want to use a different search engine everytime you make a query. And even then, there are only a limited number of decent search engines out there.

    15. Re:Torpark by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      Blocking cookies breaks too many websites. Making them last only for a session is probably what you want.

      I personally use "ask me every time" together with saving the answer -- it can be a bit annoying whenever I visit something with plenty of 3rd party shitvertisements/tracking, but this way you can have both your Slashdot/etc preferences saved and privacy everywhere else.

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    16. Re:Torpark by z0idberg · · Score: 1

      Yes and search engine logs would have resulted in the same logs for this individuals searches (which is what I said in my post), but only because there was something common to link the searches together. Hence the "At the very least " part. Your searches *might* result in you being tracked down, but if your searches are linked directly to your ISP account then their isnt much gues work involved is there?

      Topack would definately have stopped this from happening. There would be no common IP address or username to link the searches. Finding an individual through their search results is not rocket science, but if you can find an individual from a single search request then that would be impressive (or a very specific search request)*.

      *names, SSNs etc in a query still dont link you to a search request, it is just as likely someone searching for you or your SSN as you searching for your own.

    17. Re:Torpark by noidentity · · Score: 1

      "At the very least do your searching through an engine that is separate to your ISP.

      A customer of AOL searching through AOL has their searches linked to you as an individual. If you search through google then they get your IP address, and your ISP knows which IP address links to which individual at any one time (open Wifi networks aside). But at least the same company doesnt know both."


      Uhhh, your ISP sees every HTTP request you make, as in, http://www.google.com/search?q=embarrassing+search

    18. Re:Torpark by mazarin5 · · Score: 1

      Although certainly good advice, it seems the issue here was that the searches were linked to a UID. I think people should also be very wary of searches done on any service where they are logged in. Without that, masking IPs and deleting cookies are useless.

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    19. Re:Torpark by Bob9113 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      At the very least do your searching through an engine that is separate to your ISP.

      Your ISP has access to everything you do online unless you're using an encrypted channel like SSL. Your HTTP requests go through your ISPs routers, which see all. Not just search terms, everything. Cox will see this submission when I send it through, and has seen each preview. Cox sees every email I send, including the full content and any attachments. Some ISPs may not be recording it, but for AOL a big part of their business is selling aggregated data to advertisers, and enterprise grade storage costs a few dollars a gig. They'd be stupid to throw away HTTP requests, and I'd lay 20 to 1 odds that they are not. At least until we have laws that require them to. But then, I think we're more like to have laws that require them to keep the data. The EU already does.

      Everything you do online is watched. It's just a question of whether you can trust your ISP. We currently lack any serious accountability for privacy breaches. The public is blissfully ignorant, and the government, far from promoting privacy, actually wants the data. In fact, depending on how far you think Epic/Carnivore/TIA goes, they already have it. Your phone records are protected by federal law, and they have those. What of data that isn't protected? Do you think they don't have it?

    20. Re:Torpark by xrayspx · · Score: 2

      TOR doesn't seem like it would have helped in her specific case, since she was searching for things she needed, as a resident of a particular town, and a particular development in that town. That's what made her easy to track, not anything like client IP or anything that TOR would guard against. It's a matter of search being less useful if you can't search for things that you need to know because of privacy concerns. It's a bummer.

    21. Re:Torpark by DrSkwid · · Score: 1

      Adsense what's that?

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    22. Re:Torpark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True enough, but changing IPs/deleting cookies goes a long way. If I do a search one day in Google for restaraunts in New York, change IPs and delete cookies, and then do a search in Google for hookers in New York then you would not be able to link the two searches using Google's data. The lady in Georgia was able to get tracked down because she was specifically named - e.g., User 414325 or whatever. The searches were all linked together by something - her user id in this case.

      The ISP, of course, has you by the balls because you did log in and send your http requests to them.

    23. Re:Torpark by xrayspx · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. Yeah, ultimately if she hadn't logged into AOL and used AOL's search engine, it would have been much harder to track. And if I did the same thing with, say Google, using Tor, it would definitely be much safer, as long as I wasn't signed into GMAIL at the same time.

  7. privacy..... by Nicaboker · · Score: 0

    Well nearly everyone said this would end up being a privacy nightmare and it looks like nearly everyone was right. With one found, how many more AOL users are going to be found now? More importantly, how many people will stay with AOL after this?

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  8. 1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by kafka47 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    What about the one we really need to know?? User 17556639!!!

    /K

    1. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by vally_manea · · Score: 1
      Hmmmm, have you read that article:
      AOL Search Data Shows Users Planning to commit Murder.

      How the fuck do they now this guy or whatever was planning to commit a murder. And hey, there is more:
      This is the very data that google won a legal battle to keep from the government.
      Yeah they should go arrest this guy because we think he was planning to kill his wife. What's next?
    2. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by kafka47 · · Score: 1, Funny

      Did I suggest arresting him? How about just public humiliation?

    3. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by ericlondaits · · Score: 1

      Funny... searching for UID 17556639 in the Search Database (http://www.aolsearchdatabase.com/) yields no results.

      Perhaps the number whas changed for the blog?

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    4. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by Billosaur · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, you can look at it one of two ways: User 17556639 is a diseased member of society or User 17556639 is a coroner doing research. Which is it? How do you decide based on just search information? And what does "steak and cheese" suggest?

      Yes, AOL releasing this information was the longest in a series of boneheaded decisions, and when it finally dies, no one will mourn its passing. However, unless you're a card-carrying member of the tin hat brigade, there's not much to fear. Yes, someone can potentially trace you, as they did with this lady, but the fact is so many searches are non-descript that you'd have a hell of a time tracking someone down. Look at User 17556639's searches -- what in that string of searches tells you who this person is, where they live, what they do, etc. If you're smart, you keep your searches general. It's not so much the searches you have to watch out for anyway, it's the links in those searches you click on that can give you away.

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    5. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by xtracto · · Score: 1

      Now that is a good one.

      Go to the parents link, then click the murderpeople.com link. That will take you to one of those domain for sale pages with tons of ads.

      The interesting thing is the page's title "AOL FUCKED UP AGAIN" and one link that reads "aolsucksass".

      Does anyone know who are the registers of this page?

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    6. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by clickclickdrone · · Score: 1

      >And what does "steak and cheese" suggest?
      A bad diet?

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    7. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by TheLink · · Score: 1

      There are so many other ways to look at it.

      The person could have been looking for ideas for a Death Metal album cover.
      Or it was an 8 year old kid trying to gross out his sister. Of course the "kill a wife" thing could take some explaining.

      It is likely though that "User 17556639" had a problem spelling decapitated ;).

      BTW why are there multiple instances of a search? Are they for each page of results? Does AOL tell the person that they may have mispelt decapitated? Like google's "Did you mean"?

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    8. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by scribblej · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your comment is marked "insightful"

      That is sad. "Funny" sure. But "Insightful?"

      Here's the person's searches in question:

      17556639 how to kill your wife
        17556639 how to kill your wife
        17556639 wife killer
        17556639 how to kill a wife
        17556639 poop
        17556639 dead people
        17556639 pictures of dead people
        17556639 killed people
        17556639 dead pictures
        17556639 dead pictures
        17556639 dead pictures
        17556639 murder photo
        17556639 steak and cheese
        17556639 photo of death
        17556639 photo of death
        17556639 death
        17556639 dead people photos
        17556639 photo of dead people
        17556639 www.murderdpeople.com
        17556639 decapatated photos
        17556639 decapatated photos
        17556639 car crashes3
        17556639 car crashes3
        17556639 car crash photo

      If you want this person investigated, you are worse than the "thought police." First off, it's clear (to me, at least) that this guy isn't thinking about killing anyone. He just wants to see some gory photos. "steakandcheese" is a site like rotten.com. Even if he is thinking about killing someone, that's OK. There's a comment further down on the site you linked to that I find to be "insightful" about an old twilight zone episode. The main character could read minds and he reads the mind of a bank security guard who is thinking about robbing the bank! He has the man investigated, but nothing comes out of it. In the end, the guard admits he was thinking about robbing the bank... in fact he's thought about it almost every day. It's just a fantasy he has to make the day go faster... not something he'd ever act on.

      And having been a regular visitor to rotten.com in the past myself, I know that just wanting to see some of the reality of death that we tend to keep hidden in American society is not a crime. It's not even thinking of a crime. It's perfectly natural and healthy curiosity. Neither is daydreaming about terrible things you would never do -- or want to have happen -- in real life. Fantasy is normal and healthy.

      In fact, if you've never been to rotten.com or a similar site, I'd recommend you go sometime.

    9. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by kthejoker · · Score: 2, Informative

      FYI: Googling "steak and cheese" myself, I see that steakandcheese.com is a site containing gory and disgusting photos and video.

      So it suggests that this person, while they may have had an idle curiosity towards the subject, was either well-versed or well-instructed enough about such things to know the name of that site, which I had no idea existed until today.

    10. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by ichigo+2.0 · · Score: 1

      He's an avid movie-goer who also is trying to get over his fear for car crashes by watching images of dead people and accidents. Or maybe he is planning to kill his wife. Or maybe he is doing research for his book. Why do we really need to know about him? If you knew who it was what would you do?

    11. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or else he saw a photo with their name watermarked on it on one of his previous searches. Seems likely considering the subject matter. If he was, as you say, familiar with it, then why the search?

    12. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by kthejoker · · Score: 1

      Maybe he forgot if it had dashes in it or not? Or whether it was .com or .org?

      You never go to google, type in a site name and hit I'm Feeling Lucky? There are explanations. But yeah, a watermark, that sounds good ...

      But savvy enough to understand a watermark but not savvy enough to avoid typing "how to kill your wife" in a search box? I LOVE this guy!

    13. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by Lord+of+Hyphens · · Score: 2, Funny

      C'mon, the guy was using AOL and the world knows it now! Isn't that enough humiliation?

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    14. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by Secret+Agent+X23 · · Score: 1
      Of course the "kill a wife" thing could take some explaining.
      Maybe he's a wannabe mystery writer.
    15. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by hackstraw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What about the one we really need to know?? User 17556639!!!

      Hello, I'm user 17556639, and I'm a crime novelist.

      Actually, I'm not but it is simply not up to AOL or the government or anybody to snoop into my business without probable cause. And probable cause is limited to the government, the rest stay the fuck out of my business.

      Anything taken out of context can look completely different, and it simply is NOT the duty of a citizen to chronically prove their innocence.

      A) Its sometimes impossible to prove that I was home alone asleep.

      B) I'm innocent until proven guilty. Even after being charged and possibly jailed until my court time.

      So, yes, I'm one of those "Fuck the children" people. I'm one of those people that respects my privacy. I'm one of those people that believes in free speech. Yes, I vote libertarian too.

    16. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by tribentwrks · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's Stephen King giving up his 'high brow' terror, and looking to compete with the makers of Saw and all those other butcher-fest movies?

    17. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by 14CharUsername · · Score: 1

      I'm one of those "Fuck the children" people.

      So you're a pedophile then?

    18. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by budgenator · · Score: 1

      a few searches for long pig or canabalism would be ghoulish.

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    19. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      Did you ever consider that searches that seem to be related to planning murder are just as likely to be searches for writing a novel about murder?

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    20. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by jc42 · · Score: 1

      Well, you can look at it one of two ways: User 17556639 is a diseased member of society or User 17556639 is a coroner doing research.

      My first reaction was that user 17556639 is a game developer looking for ideas and models for images. In other words, truly 3\/1|_.

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    21. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by JoeSchmoe999 · · Score: 1

      Registrant:
            Manila Industries, Inc.
            3843 S. Bristol St. #628
            Santa Ana, CA 92704
            US

            Domain Name: MURDERPEOPLE.COM
            Registrar: COMPANA, LLC
            Whois Server: whois.budgetnames.com
            Referral URL: http://www.budgetnames.com/
            Name Server: NS2.OFFLINECD.COM
            Name Server: NS1.OFFLINECD.COM
            Status: ACTIVE
            EPP Status: ok
            Updated Date: 18-May-2006
            Creation Date: 17-May-2005
            Expiration Date: 17-May-2007

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    22. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by jc42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The main character could read minds and he reads the mind of a bank security guard who is thinking about robbing the bank! He has the man investigated, ...

      This is really an example of a common failure in logic. If you were the least bit rational, you'd hope that the bank's security people are thinking about how to rob the bank. If not, they're incompetent and should be replaced with people who do think about obvious job-related problems.

      Actually, I've seen this sort of failure in person. I've worked with a couple of software teams that were concerned with network security issues. So of course their searches included phrases related to security violations. This was noticed by the actual company network admins, whose job included spying on employees' outside network accesses. The developers repeatedly faced some pointed questioning by the security people, and basically just kept saying "We're trying to do our jobs." Eventually it would settle down and we'd be left to do our jobs. Then a few months later, the same thing would happen again.

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    23. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by pclminion · · Score: 1

      Dude, I've probably had search histories like that on nights I was feeling particularly morbid. It takes a slight mental disturbance to want to read about things like that, but then, aren't we all mentally disturbed to at least some degree?

      Plenty of people are intrigued by mystery murder novels, crime investigation shows, explicit dramatizations of violent scenarios, etc. Plenty of people go to rotten.com or other similar sites and look at the most horrific shit imaginable, and while perhaps one or two of these people are violent criminals, the rest are just people who for some reason want to shock themselves. Healthy, maybe not, but it implies nothing.

    24. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by zen-theorist · · Score: 1
      Actually, I'm not but it is simply not up to AOL or the government or anybody to snoop into my business without probable cause. And probable cause is limited to the government, the rest stay the fuck out of my business.
      well said. private companies must be penalized for intrusion of privacy, as for government:

      the concept of (a) government rises solely so that it can do good for society, which includes maintenance of law and order. investigation without probable cause, or as in many cases today, surveillance of all citizens referred to by the government with the misleading term "intelligence", is one of the biggest hoaxes federal and state governments are pulling off today. i cannot believe the same citizens do not rise up, strike the government one in the face and pull it down. write to your senators!
    25. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by markana · · Score: 1

      >And what does "steak and cheese" suggest?

      Philadelphia?

    26. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by cr0sh · · Score: 1
      No, no, NO! It has nothing to do with murder - and everything to do with...


      STEAK AND CHEESE!!!

      STEAK AND CHEESE!!!

      STEAK AND CHEESE!!!

      STEAK AND CHEESE!!!

      ...and maybe "poop" - meh.

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    27. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by aztektum · · Score: 1

      you're giving them too much credit by suggesting even crime novelist. user 17556639 is probably just some 13 year old or a member of the "Bam Generation" who likes to see twisted shit.

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    28. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 1
      So it suggests that this person, while they may have had an idle curiosity towards the subject, was either well-versed or well-instructed enough about such things to know the name of that site, which I had no idea existed until today.

      Hardly. All it suggests is that one of their previous searches about this stuff produced a web page where someone made a casual reference to the "steak and cheese" website -- like "these pictures are nothing compared to the stuff on steak & cheese". So the guy typed it into the search engine to find out exactly what website was being referred too.

      That exact sequence of events happens all the time when people look up other stuff. This particular guy seems to be on a "50 faces of death" kick, so it is no surprise that sort of thing would happen in his searches too.

    29. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      But savvy enough to understand a watermark but not savvy enough to avoid typing "how to kill your wife" in a search box? I LOVE this guy!

      A couple of different movies, both foreign and domestic, have titles that are variations on that phrase. If he's looking at gory pictures with watermarks, he's probably more interested in seeing crime scene photos and such than he is in instructions for actually commiting a crime.

    30. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by scribblej · · Score: 1

      savvy enough to avoid typing "how to kill your wife" in a search box?

      It makes me want to cry to even read that phrase.

      The day that searching for "how to kill your wife" is a problem, all by itself, that's the day the thought police have taken over.

      "Aren't you SMART ENOUGH to know better than to search for 'how to kill your wife!?'"

      No, I'm SMART ENOUGH to know a fucking web-search doesn't mean I'm going to kill my wife. Or even thinking about it. You people with your knee-jerk reaction, "This must be wrong!" or "How could he search for that!" or "he must be STUPID to search for that!" make me sick -- literally, I feel ill.

      You could make me feel worse, though. At least you're not suggesting legislation to make this sort of search illegal.

    31. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like movie Minority Report. They arrest you because they know you will kill someone in the future.

    32. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by Myopic · · Score: 1

      whatever, wifekiller

    33. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by sejinh · · Score: 1

      Hey, that's my search list...

    34. Re:1 down, 24.9999 million to go... by kthejoker · · Score: 1

      You completely misrepresented my point, DESPITE the fact you quoted it in full.

      You ask "Aren't you SMART ENOUGH to know better than to search for 'how to kill your wife!?'", but then you answer an entirely unrelated question: "I'm SMART ENOUGH to know a web search doesn't mean I'm going to kill your wife." Which are two different questions altogether.

      The first one is related to navigating the new litigious world of the Internet.

      The second one is related to the content of searches.

      In today's crazy thoughtcrime/think of the children world, it is a FACT that typing something like "how to kill your wife" in a box on teh Intarweb is ASKING for trouble. Now, you may WELCOME that trouble. You may say, "Yes, I searched for 'how to kill your wife', but my wife is still alive. Explain that to me, officer." And then you can have your day in court and explain all that and walk away a free man. But the point is that you had to have a day in court.

      Now you may argue that's a sad state of affairs, and of course, I would agree with that 100%. But that doesn't mean that typing that in is a smart or advisable thing to do, which is exactly what I said.

      If I were king, you could search for how to kill your wife to your heart's delight. But I'm not. And neither are you. THAT is the reality. You can't pick and choose which laws to follow - even the stupid ones. To suggest that *in the actual world we live in*, that typing in "how to kill your wife" isn't asking for trouble is ridiculous. Now you want to change that? Change the actual world we live in. But don't just start acting like people are going to wake up and go, "Oh, you know what? I respect the right to privacy." It's not like they've come close to that yet.

  9. but with permission... by Catmeat · · Score: 4, Funny
    ... but with a permission from Mrs. Thelma Arnold, 62...

    In other words, the journalists tracked down about 20 AOL searchers, but Mrs Arnold was the only one to give permission for the article as hers was the only search term list that didn't include 'midget porn'.

    1. Re:but with permission... by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 3, Funny

      I just realized something... I've never searched for 'midget pron'. Consider that rectified.

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    2. Re:but with permission... by RESPAWN · · Score: 0

      What's wrong with you?

      I thought everybody had searched for midget pr0n. What use is the internet if you don't use it to search for unusual pr0n?

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    3. Re:but with permission... by MrNougat · · Score: 1

      So what do you search for after you've already found all the midget pr0n? I'm asking for a friend, of course.

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    4. Re:but with permission... by RESPAWN · · Score: 1

      Dolphin vagina. It's a much more elusive search query as there's not a lot of content out there yet. But don't worry. I hear the demand is rising.

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  10. Who uses AOL? by andrewman327 · · Score: 2, Funny
    From TFA: "a 62-year-old widow who frequently researches her friends' medical ailments and loves her three dogs.


    I don't know how the NYT reporters were able to track her down. After all, this describes most AOL users!

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  11. and this is why anonet exsists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    this is the exact reason i use anonet! its not just AOL keeping records.

    1. Re:and this is why anonet exsists by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 1

      I just installed it, but there doesn't seem to be much more then the wiki? I tried the www.search.ano link, but the results are dissapointing. How do you find contents onthere?

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    2. Re:and this is why anonet exsists by templeofboom · · Score: 1

      There's quite a bit more than the wiki... things such as torrent tracker, dc++ hub, assorted websites, streaming radio, etc. I'd recommend you jump on the irc channel and chitchat a bit to get a feel for what all is there (and coming).

  12. Legal Standing? by RagingFuryBlack · · Score: 3, Interesting
    FTA:

    There are also many thousands of sexual queries, along with searches about "child porno" and "how to kill oneself by natural gas" that raise questions about what legal authorities can and should do with such information.



    Now what kind of legal recourse can people expect from these search results? Can the man who searched for ways to kill his wife be tracked down? How about all of the paedophiles who searched for child pr0n? Oh, I can just see all of the "Come on AOL, think of the children...tell us who that was..." How closely tied are these numbers to the user's AOL Accounts, I mean, I'm sure AOL left themselves some tie to the user in their copy. What's stopping feds from making many major busts on people?

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    1. Re:Legal Standing? by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And just for the sake of argument, what does searching for something prove. Sure in the case of child pr0n, they would probably be able to search the guy's house/computer for evidence, but other than that, can you really get arrested for something solely on the fact that you searched for it? Maybe the guy who was searching for how to kill is wife was just joking, seeing what would come up. There's a lot of crazy stuff on the internet. I know i've searched for things just to see what comes up. Just about everything is available on the internet, sometimes it's just fun to see what's out there.

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    2. Re:Legal Standing? by RagingFuryBlack · · Score: 2, Informative

      Exactly my point. Normally, I'm one of those people who are for the "Let them watch if you have nothing to hide", but searches show no motives, no intent, hell, it diddn't even have to be the owner of the account who made the search. I can't tell you how many times my AIM Accounts were cracked back in the day. Same with IPs, as the woman that won against the RIAA proved. IPs can be spoofed, computers can become bots. Just because it says you searched for it doesn't mean you actuially did. Sadly, it still won't stop the feds, though.

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    3. Re:Legal Standing? by evileyetmc · · Score: 1

      Because there would be a huge backlash from the consumer base. IE: Once people found out that AOL was helping prosecute its users, subscriptions would start dropping like rats from a sinking ship. AOL has the ability, but they have to think business first, or else they will go the way of the other .com bubble companies.

    4. Re:Legal Standing? by ryanduff · · Score: 1
      How closely tied are these numbers to the user's AOL Accounts

      Knowing AOL, they're probably just reversed...

      For Example:
      User 4417749 = Account Number 9477144
      User 48956332 = Account Number 23365984
    5. Re:Legal Standing? by RagingFuryBlack · · Score: 1

      Though aren't they already heading in that direction? They've done away with paid subscriptions in favor of ad-based support. I can almost guarantee you that even if they were to start aiding feds in procecution, they wouldn't loose a single stereotypical subscriber. I mean, the normal AOL user doesn't care about these things. Hell, I bet half of em haven't even heard about this.

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    6. Re:Legal Standing? by evileyetmc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Admittedly, you are correct in saying they are moving in that direction. My point was that once people realized that AOL was feeding the government prosecution fodder, they would avoid using AOL. At any rate, AOL is undoubtedly a sinking ship.

    7. Re:Legal Standing? by RagingFuryBlack · · Score: 1

      Who says its even that. For all we know, and AOL hasn't denied it, that these numbers could actuially BE their account number.

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    8. Re:Legal Standing? by thrillseeker · · Score: 1

      Knowing AOL, they're probably just reversed...

      "Oh shit ..."

      -- AOL VP for Legal Liability Assessment

    9. Re:Legal Standing? by muellerr1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It seems to me that if you're going to give the guy who wants to kill his wife the benefit of the doubt, then the same benefit should extend to the child pr0n guys. Either it's protected speech or it's not. That's why the ACLU defends the neo-Nazis' right to free speech--we may not like what they say, but they have the right to say whatever they want. Not that I want to protect child pr0n guys in any way, however this is what people are talking about when they say 'slippery slope'. First it's the child pr0n, then it's the terrorism, then it's the abortionists, then it's your political opponents. Then it's you for no really good reason other than that they can.

      Courts rule time and again that if a search is illegal, the fruits of that search may not be used in court. This is the same principle. If we want the expectation of privacy in our web browsing kept as private as in our homes, then we need to find some other way to get the child pr0nsters. On the other hand, if we have no expectation of privacy in our web searches and should know better than to google child pr0n, then by all means nail them and everyone else to the wall. Just be sure to extend that principle to include things we link to on web pages, check out at libraries, and purchase at bookstores. I believe that libraries and bookstores in the US are already required by legislation to report to the government. Just remember that next time you're curious about the Anarchist's Cookbook and the recipes in there. It's all just chemistry anyway, right? I mean, I don't want to blow crap up, but I find it fascinating that horse poop and fuel oil can be that explosive and I want to know why. But ask at the public library and you might find yourself being asked uncomfortable questions by the Feds.

      Not to get too off topic, but do you remember in the wake of 9/11 how one person asked a Post Office clerk if there were any stamps without American flags on them and got detained and questioned? All I'm saying is, just because a web search returns illegal results doesn't mean it isn't a free speech or a privacy issue.

    10. Re:Legal Standing? by RagingFuryBlack · · Score: 1

      I thought that AOL diddn't have one of those...i mean....they released the data in the first place, diddn't they? Was he sleeping when they did that? Drunk? Ston..err..no. He's a lawyer. Never mind.

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    11. Re:Legal Standing? by budgenator · · Score: 1

      "well of course I searched for child porn, how else am I able to decide if we need new laws to control the problem; this Senator for one will continue to search for child porn and will even download the images to make sure it's really child porn and not 30year old models pretending .... think of the children"

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    12. Re:Legal Standing? by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 1

      I believe that libraries and bookstores in the US are already required by legislation to report to the government.

      Absolutely not. The closest it comes to what you are saying is that the PATRIOT act requires that the libraries not inform you if you have been the target of a search by the feds. But there is no automatic reporting policy in place. In fact, librarians are one of the last bastions of privacy in America. The ALA routinely fights the good fight on capitol hill against such proposals -- They don't always win, but even then they do what they can, like leaning on the providers of major lending/collection tracking software to add features like a default purge of lending history once a book is returned so that patrons can be assured that even "legal" searches won't get any historical data.

      Do you remember in the wake of 9/11 how one person asked a Post Office clerk if there were any stamps without American flags on them and got detained and questioned?

      Nope, but if you have a URL I would love to see it.

    13. Re:Legal Standing? by muellerr1 · · Score: 1
      I didn't say that there was anything automatic about libraries and bookstores reporting your reading habits to the government. What I said was that libraries and bookstores are required to report your reading habits to the government--meaning that the government can obtain this information whenever they want, without a conventional search warrant and without any suspicion of wrongdoing on your part whatsoever. From this article:
      Section 215 of the act allows FBI agents to obtain a warrant from a secret federal court for library or bookstore records of anyone connected to an investigation of international terrorism or spying.

      Unlike conventional search warrants, there is no need for agents to show that the target is suspected of a crime or possesses evidence of a crime.

      I found this link. I'm sure there are other ones, but I think this was the original source.
      Do you remember in the wake of 9/11 how one person asked a Post Office clerk if there were any stamps without American flags on them and got detained and questioned?
      Nope, but if you have a URL I would love to see it.
      http://www.progressive.org/mag_mcstamps
    14. Re:Legal Standing? by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 1
      didn't say that there was anything automatic about libraries and bookstores reporting your reading habits to the government. What I said was that libraries and bookstores are required to report your reading habits to the government--meaning that the government can obtain this information whenever they want, without a conventional search warrant and without any suspicion of wrongdoing on your part whatsoever.

      That may have been what you meant, but that is certainly not what:

      I believe that libraries and bookstores in the US are already required by legislation to report to the government.
      says or even implies.
    15. Re:Legal Standing? by muellerr1 · · Score: 1
      You may have misunderstood what I wrote, but nothing about
      I believe that libraries and bookstores in the US are already required by legislation to report to the government.
      says or implies that this reporting is automatic, just that it is required by legislation.
    16. Re:Legal Standing? by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 1

      By legislation, a warrant is all it takes to make ANY entity report to the government. Since you didn't say anything about not requiring a warrant, or requiring a rubber-stamp warrant which lots of cops don't even need a special court for, then the obvious conclusion is that "to report" is present progressive tense.

    17. Re:Legal Standing? by muellerr1 · · Score: 1

      You are absolutely right, you win. It was stupid of me to get into an argument with you. I apologize for wasting your time quibbling over a minor detail of some long-forgotten post, and I am humbled and honored by your dedication to correcting my error.

    18. Re:Legal Standing? by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 1

      I apologize for wasting your time quibbling over a minor detail of some long-forgotten post, and I am humbled and honored by your dedication to correcting my error.

      Damn straight.

    19. Re:Legal Standing? by muellerr1 · · Score: 1

      Look up the definition of the word irony some time, you nitwit.

    20. Re:Legal Standing? by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 1

      Look up the definition of the word irony some time, you nitwit.

      Look up the definition of the word sarcasm some time, you nitwit.

    21. Re:Legal Standing? by muellerr1 · · Score: 1

      I understand now that you're just another troll and I wasn't going to be baited anymore, but I have to know: what did you mean by that last post? Are you saying that you were being sarcastic in response to my original ironic statement (but it's hard to see how 'Damn straight' is sarcasm; more likely you were actually agreeing with the part you quoted), or are you disputing my use of the word irony (if you're confused, see the Wikipedia article on irony, particulary the section about verbal irony and sarcasm)? Or did you already know that sarcasm is a form of verbal irony, and this was really somehow a lame attempt at humor that you'll have to explain?

    22. Re:Legal Standing? by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 1

      (but it's hard to see how 'Damn straight' is sarcasm; more likely you were actually agreeing with the part you quoted)

      Any sufficiently advanced humor is indistinguishable from regular prose to the underdeveloped mind.

    23. Re:Legal Standing? by muellerr1 · · Score: 1

      OK, kiddo. Go on believing that.

    24. Re:Legal Standing? by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 1

      OK, kiddo. Go on believing that.

      If using grammar so poorly as to say things you didn't mean, and then the juvenile denials of such sloppiness weren't enough, actually linking to the entry for irony at wikipedia is the clincher as to the level of your development.

  13. AOL - "Bypassing the 5th Amendment for You!" by rolfwind · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I hope this issue brings more awareness to people about internet anonymity in general and that the government wants all your logs and that companies like Verizon roll over and let them have it.

    AOL has went one step further and given their customer's information to the world. I googled the news to see if this story is being reported in the mainstream media, and it is minimally (minimal b/c of TimeWarner?) but I have to laugh as it is characterized as a "goof" and a "gaffe". Laughably understated and nice words for something that at best can be described as sheer bumbling negligence and at worst as a breach of privacy of the worst sort.

    Even more ironic, the first news story to pop up on google has nothing to do with this but is:

    "AOL offers free security software"
    http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2161980/aol-offe rs-free-security

    1. Re:AOL - "Bypassing the 5th Amendment for You!" by RagingFuryBlack · · Score: 1
      AOL will also allow IE users to install a free security toolbar when they download Active Virus Shield. The toolbar will include a real-time update on their computer's security status via Active Security Monitor, a password manager, pop-up blocker, and a link to the Whois domain registration database to find more information on potentially suspicious sites.
      And here, boys and girls, we see yet another useless IE Toolbar. I wonder if the new AOL Security software detects itself as a threat to the system?
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    2. Re:AOL - "Bypassing the 5th Amendment for You!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a typo -- should have been rs-security-free

  14. Quick! by ttys00 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Quick, make a bunch of bogus searches! That way you will have some plausible deniability when The Man knocks on your door with a list of your searches.

    "Officer, those searches can't be mine, I'm not an 18 year old lesbian movie actress!"

    1. Re:Quick! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might not be. But who here hasn't searched for one?

    2. Re:Quick! by nEoN+nOoDlE · · Score: 2, Funny

      =typing searches=
      pictures of dead people
      *no, that didn't work*
      killed people
      *hmm, no good, maybe try "dead pictures"*
      dead pictures
      *hmm, no results, lemme try again*
      dead pictures
      *0 searches, cmon! one more try*
      dead pictures
      *no, nothing... how about...*
      murder photo
      *ah fuck it, lemme go on Slashdot.*
      =reads ttys00's comment=
      Quick, make a bunch of bogus searches! That way you will have some plausible deniability when The Man knocks on your door with a list of your searches.
      *oh shit... he's right. Lemme go make some fake searches... um... hmm. Oh, I got it!*
      steak and cheese
      *hmm. What else?... damn, can't think of anything*
      photo of death ...

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  15. She should stay at AOL by gorbachev · · Score: 3, Funny

    At the end of the article, she says she's cancelling her AOL account as a result.

    She shouldn't. There's absolutely no way AOL will ever do anything like that again. On the other hand, if she switches to another online provider, who still hasn't been burned, it's a quite a bit more likely they'll screw up like this as well. She'd be "safer" staying at AOL.

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    1. Re:She should stay at AOL by shudde · · Score: 5, Funny

      At the end of the article, she says she's cancelling her AOL account as a result.

      Correction, she's going to try to cancel her AOL account.

    2. Re:She should stay at AOL by ericlondaits · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's why whenever I travel by plane I carry my own bomb.

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    3. Re:She should stay at AOL by RagingFuryBlack · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Perhaps she's taking the first step in filing a lawsuit against the company for violation of privacy? It wouldn't look very good for her if she kept her account and still chose to sue.

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    4. Re:She should stay at AOL by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      At the end of the article, she says she's cancelling her AOL account as a result. She shouldn't. There's absolutely no way AOL will ever do anything like that again.

      What makes you say that? AOL have done many anti-customer things that they've been caught on and they don't change their behavior. Their target market doesn't know (or care) about these things.

      Take the hastle you have cancelling for one. There was a recent story about a guy who recorded the process. My last AOL account was about seven or eight years ago and it was exactly the same. Nothing has changed. They are notorious for this sort of thing; it doesn't seem to bother them much. At best all that will change is they won't get caught again.

    5. Re:She should stay at AOL by TheLinuxSRC · · Score: 1

      Mod parent Insightful.

    6. Re:She should stay at AOL by Flaming+Babies · · Score: 1

      Too easy to detect.
      That's why I stick to snakes.

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    7. Re:She should stay at AOL by mcai8rw2 · · Score: 1

      Eh?
      No way...AOL will continue to datamine peoples searches. Of course they will...the information it provides is far too valuable to just 'get rid of it'.

      If they aren't already; AOL will be selling that data to all sorts of government agencies, education houses [universities etc] everything.

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    8. Re:She should stay at AOL by gorbachev · · Score: 1

      "AOL will continue to datamine peoples searches."

      Yes, just like EVERY other company, incl. the oh-so-great Google. That's never been in dispute, and if you really can't deal with that, I suggest you log off the Internet and never use it again.

      However, what AOL will NEVER do again, is expose that information to the public. That's why she would be safer at AOL.

      They may release it to a corrupt Government, of course, but so will every other company faced with a "polite" request from the nice people from NSA.

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    9. Re:She should stay at AOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At the end of the article, she says she's cancelling her AOL account as a result.

      Good luck with THAT!

    10. Re:She should stay at AOL by jc42 · · Score: 1

      There have been a number of reports about problems cancelling AOL. An even funnier onne is the recent story about the difficulty of getting a dead guy off of AOL. A quick google for the keywords here, "Maxine Gauthier AOL", shows over 9000 hits, and most seem to be about this story.

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    11. Re:She should stay at AOL by TheLinuxSRC · · Score: 1

      Wow.... Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.

    12. Re:She should stay at AOL by jc42 · · Score: 1

      Yeah. And you have to ask yourself, when you read that AOL still has 17 million subscribers, how many of those are dead?

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  16. Do the search again? by ZaSz-RH · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now if she repeats the searches, she'll find links to his own face.

  17. Oblig. Prisoner by ettlz · · Score: 5, Funny

    Where am I?
    You're on AOL.
    What do you want?
    Search information.
    Whose side are you on?
    That would be telling. We want information. Information. Information.
    You won't get it.
    By hook or by crook, we will.
    Who are you?
    The new ad-funded AOL Number 2.
    Who is Number 1?
    You are Number 4417749.
    I am not a number -- I am a free gran!

    1. Re:Oblig. Prisoner by Misfit+Taz · · Score: 1

      We even have our own search engine. really, you should send me a copy.

    2. Re:Oblig. Prisoner by cswiger2005 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Kudos. Please mod Slashdot prisoner #639203 up.

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    3. Re:Oblig. Prisoner by Shajenko42 · · Score: 1

      Quiet you, or that damn balloon will come again!

    4. Re:Oblig. Prisoner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  18. She should sue the pants off AOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why is it that whenever a big company blatantly violates the law, they get away with a few users boycotting them for a while, but when big business is slightly victimized, all hell breaks lose, laws are changed in their favor and individuals' lives get ruined? Sue AOL. Make them pay. Nothing says sorry like a multi-million dollar cheque.

    1. Re:She should sue the pants off AOL by mcai8rw2 · · Score: 1

      Hmm i wonder...

      CAN she sue AOL? The reason I ask that is because AOL only attached a random number to the list of search queries.

      In the end it was the contents of the search queries themselves [which aol are not responsible for] that gave the womans identity away. Its an odd one.

      However, I hate AOL with a passion, thusly I also agree that IF SHE CAN she should.

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    2. Re:She should sue the pants off AOL by RagingFuryBlack · · Score: 1

      They have arguable released personally identifiable information through these records as her searches are PII. Though, I believe that AOLs privacy policy requires you to contact them to opt out of any sharing of search queries and or data sharing.

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    3. Re:She should sue the pants off AOL by TheAngryMob · · Score: 1
      Nothing says sorry like a multi-million dollar cheque.

      Yeah, made out to your lawyer.
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    4. Re:She should sue the pants off AOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Search engine operators have this weird distinction between personalized data and anonymous data. Most think that queries are anonymous data. Many think that IP addresses are anonymous data because they're dynamic or proxied. There is no such distinction: Any meaningful interaction is potentially personal data. This comment is personal data. Even though it is posted as "anonymous coward" and doesn't mention anything personal, it contains information about its author: Choice of words, typical grammatical constructs and probably mistakes. I might post a similar comment (with respect to said unintentional "signature" properties) on another forum with a different topic where I'm not anonymous. Data-mining is much more powerful than just querying a database for a couple of keywords. If your privacy policy says that you won't divulge personally identifiable information, then that really means you can't divulge any information from or about me, and that's how it should be. Actually you shouldn't be collecting this information in the first place, but I'll file that with my hope that the Easter Bunny exists.

    5. Re:She should sue the pants off AOL by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nothing says sorry like a multi-million dollar cheque.

      I would far prefer AOL executive officers getting jail time.

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  19. Technology in the NY Times by MobyDisk · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I found this interesting:
    Next Article in Technology (1 of 27)
    The NY times considers this an article on technology. Slashdot considers this an article on "Your Rights Online." That is the reason nothing will happen no matter how many times these privacy violations occur. People don't act on technology issues. They act on privacy, religion, and entertainment. I would shame the NY times that they still don't get it, but neither does most of the rest of the planet either.
    1. Re:Technology in the NY Times by necro81 · · Score: 1
      You might be interested to read this interview with the Technology editor for NYT. One of the two measly questions he answered was in regards to the NYT discontinuing its weekly "Circuits" section. According to Mr. McKenna, the cancellation was for business reasons, but also because...

      [W]e've reached a point in the digital age where technology is so central to so many coverage areas that the kinds of stories once reserved to Circuits are now being told on the front page and all over the paper.
      In spite of technology's ubiquity, however, I think you are right that many people do not grasp some of the wider ramifications of a story like this beyond the fact that it involves everyday technology.
    2. Re:Technology in the NY Times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I too fail to see why this was put in the Technology section of the New York Times, as opposed to the front page. This is clearly far more important than such minor issues like...Oh wait, it is on the front page...

    3. Re:Technology in the NY Times by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      Plus, an AC pointed out that this article is on the front page. I am very glad to be wrong! It means they really do get it! Is it is on the front page of the print edition?

  20. Future of surveillance by gregor-e · · Score: 1

    It would not surprise me to see government or corporate-funded research into "intelligent buddies" - programs that are the descendendants of "Clippy" or "Bob" that are actually sophisticated enough to be more useful than annoying. Once we're immersed in ubiquitous computing, they can be active participants in any conversation or activity, chiming in with juicy morsels of pertinent trivia, jokes, gossip or actual useful information - cool enough that everybody would always want them on. They could be released free of cost, and beyond providing surveillance into the minds of these users as well as the people they interact with, they can provide a mechanism for actively steering social development. Say a troubled teen starts talking with his chums about how much of a drag everything is - his "intelligent buddy" can tell a story about some other teen, perhaps one who lives nearby, who had a similar situation and suggest setting up a meeting. Turns out the other troubled teen has been persuaded to start doing volunteer work and was surprised to find this made life less of a drag. Naturally, a corporate-funded IB would suggest the nearest place to grab a bottle of Spazzy-Cola as soon as it detects thirst.

  21. won't hurt yahoo by pimpimpim · · Score: 2, Funny
    Some clearvoiant (how do you spell that actually?) already saw in advance that this won't hurt yahoo:

    21528558 http com yahoo com wont hurt wont yahoo 2006-04-21 15:31:20

    I'm amazed by the masses of stupid search strings that are given, why are so many search strings complete (or non working) http adresses? (e.g. www.yahoo.com) Seems like a lousy database to me anyway.

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    1. Re:won't hurt yahoo by markild · · Score: 1
      Well.. It's often the intelligence-impaired people that give their money away the easies..

      I'm pretty impressed by this search session (some of them!):
      6037277 what capricorn men want 2006-04-16 12:07:00 9
      6037277 sexual things capricorn men want and do 2006-04-16 12:29:27 1
      6037277 how to get with a capricorn 2006-04-16 19:15:17 1
      6037277 how to love a capicorn guy 2006-04-16 19:28:40
      6037277 how to date a capricorn guy 2006-04-16 19:32:42 1
      6037277 what is the best match for a capricorn guy 2006-04-16 19:34:54
      6037277 what do capricorn guys like to hear 2006-04-16 19:46:37 3
      6037277 how to get back with a capircorn 2006-04-16 19:48:02
      6037277 a perfect date for a capircorn guy 2006-04-16 19:49:30
      6037277 all about capircorn 2006-04-16 19:50:10
      6037277 what capricorn guys like to do 2006-04-16 19:52:06 4
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      Mulder: Yes we should, but not for this.
    2. Re:won't hurt yahoo by Ihlosi · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      Some clearvoiant (how do you spell that actually?)



      "Clairvoyant"



      At last ! Playing hundreds of RPGs over the course of two decades finally pays off !

    3. Re:won't hurt yahoo by Cloud+K · · Score: 1

      why are so many search strings complete (or non working) http adresses?

      Less than intelligent computer users, normally. Such as those where I work, where I've observed this kind of behaviour....

      The issue is that most browsers launch up in their default search page - MSN for IE, Google for Firefox and no doubt AOL for AOL. And as I've observed, most "Joe Schmoe" computer users in the office etc simply don't know the difference between an address bar and a search box. I know a few people in this office who have never used the address bar in their lives, they just type "www.example.com" into MSN Search and then click through to the result. They don't know any different.

      Of course, these are most the same people who don't know the difference between a computer monitor and a television or a box/unit/tower/whatever with a "hard drive". I had one friend who is normally quite intelligent (except around computers) asking how to remotely access a hard drive that had been thrown away after the PC was destroyed...

      I don't know why people turn thick the moment they're sat in front of a PC. I guess they just disengage brain and expect the processor to do it all!

    4. Re:won't hurt yahoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some engines default the cursor to their search box even after I've started typing into the address bar. So if the timing is right and I'm not paying attention (cause I type so damn fast) i end up typing the url into the search box and hitting enter. I usually say 'd'oh' after that.

    5. Re:won't hurt yahoo by gargletheape · · Score: 1

      why are so many search strings complete (or non working) http adresses?

      I end up searching for complete URL's all the time:

      1. Some idiot/lazy site developers simply forget to wrap their links in appropriate html. Selecting, right clicking and googling in a new tab is a quick way of getting the link open in the background

      2. often i want google's summary / cache / related pages etc

      3. Random browser plugins often decide to autodownload a video to a temporary folder and open them when I type the url out. Or they might decide to open them in media player to stream. Googling gives me a nice link I can attempt to save to the hard drive, to a location I like.

  22. AOL's apology vs. Dilbert's boss by khendron · · Score: 5, Funny

    From AOL's public apology

    "This was a screw up, and we're angry and upset about it. It was an innocent enough attempt to reach out to the academic community with new research tools, but it was obviously not appropriately vetted..."

    This is sounding very much like Dilbert's boss's public apology made years ago:

    "It was wrong for us to sell keyboards with no 'Q' We're sorry. We're morons. We're dumber than squirrels. We hear voices and do what they command. I have broccoli in my socks. "

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    1. Re:AOL's apology vs. Dilbert's boss by strider44 · · Score: 1

      That should really be:

      "It was wrong for us to sell keyboards with no ''. We're sorry. We're morons. We're dumber than suirrels. We hear voices and do what they command. I have broccoli in my socks."

    2. Re:AOL's apology vs. Dilbert's boss by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1

      Or, say, "I take complete responsibility for the disaster in New Orleans."

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  23. user 4417749's Search Records by aquatone282 · · Score: 5, Funny

    4417749 numb fingers
    4417749 60 single men
    4417749 dog that urinates on everything
    4417749 landscapers in Lilburn, Ga
    4417749 bill arnold
    4417749 carpet shampoo rental
    4417749 julie arnold
    4417749 stan arnold
    4417749 homes sold in shadow lake subdivision gwinnett county georgia
    4417749 gwinnet county animal services
    4417749 stan arnold
    4417749 pecan pie recipes
    4417749 McGyver DVDs
    4417749 pet euthanasia services

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    What?
    1. Re:user 4417749's Search Records by pimpimpim · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hmm when I grow 60 I should remember to buy some McGuyver DVDs as well. Might spice up life a little bit, y'know.

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    2. Re:user 4417749's Search Records by N3Z · · Score: 1

      If I had mod points I'd mod up just for "4417749 McGyver DVDs"

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    3. Re:user 4417749's Search Records by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what we can deduct from this is the following :

      Old Thelma is in the game again searching for a new spouse. Her previous spouses (Stan, Bill and Julie) dying under mysterious circumstances from eating Pecan Pie. Old Thelmas quest for new love have led to her spending less time together with her dog, which in turn has started relieving itself all over Old Thelmas carpet to get attention. Finally Old Thelma found her love, a landscaper in Lilburn, and decided to move in with him. At first she decided to put her ever-excrementing dog in the pound, but later discovered that the upkeep for such an arrangement was too expensive, so she had the dog put down and bought McGyver DVD's for the change.

      GO THELMA!

    4. Re:user 4417749's Search Records by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > 4417749 McGyver DVDs

      McGyver DVDs????

  24. Gran's busy by writermike · · Score: 1

    "60 single men"

    Wow! That's quite a few.

    You go, gran.

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    If Nalgene water bottles are outlawed, only outlaws will have Nalgene water bottles.
  25. Another face exposed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    At first glace, it might appear that Ms. Arnold fears she is suffering from a wide range of ailments. Her search history includes "hand tremors," "nicotine effects on the body," "dry mouth" and "bipolar."
    she been smoking grandpa's old cough medicine
  26. The most importane part of TFA by kent_eh · · Score: 2, Interesting
    "As unhappy as I am to see this data on people leaked, I'm heartened that we will have this conversation as a culture, which is long overdue."

    Now, what can we do?
    How about making sure "this conversation" happens, and continues to happen.

    And not just here on /.

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  27. And people wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Why Google made such a fight out of the government's request for similar information, even if anonymized. It isn't a harmless request. I mean, the particular search identified in the article isn't a big deal, but some of the others that are in there are rather scary/personal, to say the least. Out of millions, I expect this pattern is normal.

    As goofs go, this is a biggie, but an instructive one that will hopefully serve as a wakeup call. If the government were requesting something like this, it is as invasive as a library turning over a carefully-tracked list of patron searches that would be one ISP subpoena away from being personally identifiable. It's basically one huge fishing ground.

    1. Re:And people wonder... by sillypixie · · Score: 1

      Yes, exactly.

      At least now, there is no plausible deniability on the part of the search vendors. It is now painfully obvious that sharing of this kind of data, even randomized, will make people very, very angry. The "oops we didn't know" defense is now well put to rest.

      Of course, I have to imagine that every law enforcement agency around is wondering whether their worst subjects happen to be AOL users, and whether those records can be subpoenaed.

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    2. Re:And people wonder... by LiveOnASailboat · · Score: 0

      Search data is far from harmless or anonymous. Have you ever done a search for your own name, phone number, or SSN? What about friends or business associates name, or the name of the company that you work for? Do you want that data tied to your personal search history? I bet of I had access Googles search database I could figure out several peoples identities. All you need to do is start with a few unique search terms. For example, I know several people have done searches for my name. I have a unique name and I suspect that there are only a few people on the planet with the same combination of first and last name and, only people who know me would be searching for it. Once I identify who is searching for my name, all in need to do is review the rest of the search history and I bet I could guess 99% of the time who the data set belongs to, if I know the person. I know that women whom I have dated have searched for my name. I'm sure they would not want me to see their search history. What if they searched for "how to kill your boyfriend?" would this justify a restraining order? Search data is not anonymous. In fact it is more like having a peek into someone's mind. It is personal and private and should never be shared under any circumstances without the permission of the person doing the searches. Also without proper context the data is not meaningful. I am a security consultant and I have done many searches on things like "blast ratings" "WTC bombing" "hazmat use as a weapon" "how build an IED" "transportation vulnerabilities" etc. If someone were to see my search history and make a judgment about its purpose before they know more about me, they might seriously mischaracterize me. In fact, I bet with the IP address of the computer I am using, plus the information in this post, a determined person with access to google's search data would have a reasonable chance of identifying me.

  28. Interesting search... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Here's an interesting search to add to Google's history database.

    What's even more interesting is the eBay ad offering to sell this. :)

    1. Re:Interesting search... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess that most of the people that read the commments to this article are able to see what your link is requesting from google. And besides my guess is that google also stores the referrer information. Maybe slasdot even stores your ip and mac adress.

      You could be traceable and seem like a guy trying to recommend drugs to every geek around :p

    2. Re:Interesting search... by GiantCranes · · Score: 1

      I clicked the link before reading what it was. I then wrote a little note to big brother by searching for : "sorry, that last search was not something that I was interested in. I just clicked a link on slashdot"

  29. Anonymity? by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why is online anonymity so hard to come by? It seems that every service I use on the web keeps logs and statistics, and there always seems to be some trail linking me to whatever I've done online. Perhaps there are searches and discussions I've had online that I don't want a potential employer to come across, for example. No matter how careful I may be, I never feel too confident that I've been successfully shielded by anonymity.

    It would be nice to see more online services that at least make an effort to maintain your anonymity. How about a proxy that will do all your google searches from a set of hundreds of random IP addresses, selecting a new one each time and never connecting the searches to one another? Or how about an ISP that gives you a new, random IP address on request, and keeps NO LOGS of who had which IP in the past?

    There are two obstacles to this - first, the average joe doesn't think too carefully about anonymity, so the demand for such services is low. Second, there are legal issues regarding what information would be recorded. It would be very interesting to see the RIAA come to the ISP in my above example and request the account information of a file trader. What would happen if they literally had no logs and no way of telling which user had been using that IP? It seems like they might get in trouble, but why should they? Grocery stores aren't required to keep careful logs of each person walking through their doors. Don't ISPs have the same right to allow people to come and go?

    1. Re:Anonymity? by RagingFuryBlack · · Score: 1
      Or how about an ISP that gives you a new, random IP address on request, and keeps NO LOGS of who had which IP in the past?
      Its because the NSA and other members of the government alphabet soup have their noses inside all of the major telecoms servers. I know its imposibble in the UK because all ISPs are required to keep a log of its users, indefinatly. I think there is a similar law here in the states as well...
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  30. She's not a ho! by MikeRT · · Score: 0, Redundant

    60 single men means that she wants 60 men, one at a time!

  31. SQL injection target? by Chapter80 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Pretty cool seeing people get this data into searchable form, like on:
    http://www.aolsearchdatabase.com/

    I did a search on there this morning, and it displays the SQL statement for me, which is very handy...

    Select SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS * from search_data WHERE match (anon_id,query,click_url) against ('4417749 ') LIMIT 0,30

    Interestingly, if you do the standard SQL injection, searching for something like "4417749') LIMIT 0,30; DROP TABLE SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS;--", I bet you will screw it up for them. Kids, don't try this at home. I'd never encourage people to do something illegal!

    The point of this posting is:
    Learn about SQL Injection, and protect against it.
    Don't display your SQL query to your users.

    If you don't know what SQL injection is, try a simple example: Search for "1','0" (skip the double quotes, but not the single quotes) and you'll see it in action without causing harm.

    1. Re:SQL injection target? by thewils · · Score: 1

      Just a thought but are the people who are hosting the aolsearchdatabase saving the queries made on the data? And will they be releasing the results by IP at a later date? I think we should be told.

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    2. Re:SQL injection target? by Inataysia · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Just to pimp somebody else's work...

      A neat paper was presented in the Software track at USENIX Security just a week or so ago about a technique that can be used to prevent all SQL injection attacks. It's a source code transformation that tracks one or two bits of "taint" information for every byte address in a program's address space.

      The sysadmin or security admin can then define a policy with augmented regular expressions that have three Kleene-style operators that let you say e.g. (expr)^T, which matches the expression 'expr', iff every byte in expr is tainted, or (expr)^t which matches 'expr' iff at least one byte of expr is tainted. The last operator is ^u which means "iff none of these characters are tainted".

      They prevent SQL injections by making a policy that says that whenever the function that actually executes the SQL query is called, its arguments are examined, and any string that matches.. (looks it up).. "(StrIdNum|Delim)*(SqlMetachar)^T(any)*", causes the system to either cause the call to fail with a given error, or causes the program to halt.

      That's pretty neat, but it's already been done with pre-built binaries. The problem with those systems is that they use library preload hacks and have to run each instruction inside a lightweight VM to track the taint information (because they lack the semantics that come with having the source), giving performance hits of a factor of around 100. Since this solution transforms the source, GCC can optimize the transformed code a fair deal and they end up with around a 17% performance hit, which is an excellent tradeoff for security.

      Since it's a C source transformation, they transformed apache, PHP, bash, and even glibc. Their technique can be used (and was demonstrated in the paper) to prevent a number of classes of attacks, not just specific attacks.

      Look it up: "Taint-Enhanced Policy Enforcement: A Practical Approach to Defeat a Wide Range of Attacks", Wei Xu, Sandeep Bhatkar, R. Sekar, Stony Brook University.

      End pimp.

    3. Re:SQL injection target? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Of course, they could simply make the user used to connect to the database unable to modify those tables. There's no reason for them to have that access.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    4. Re:SQL injection target? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Pretty cool seeing people get this data into searchable form, like on:
      http://www.aolsearchdatabase.com/

      I did a search on there this morning, and it displays the SQL statement for me, which is very handy...

      Select SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS * from search_data WHERE match (anon_id,query,click_url) against ('4417749 ') LIMIT 0,30

      Interestingly, if you do the standard SQL injection, searching for something like "4417749') LIMIT 0,30; DROP TABLE SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS;--", I bet you will screw it up for them. Kids, don't try this at home. I'd never encourage people to do something illegal!

      The point of this posting is:
      Learn about SQL Injection, and protect against it.
      Don't display your SQL query to your users.

      If you don't know what SQL injection is, try a simple example: Search for "1','0" (skip the double quotes, but not the single quotes) and you'll see it in action without causing harm.


      Good luck trying to drop the table SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS when it is a field in the search_data table.

      Let me guess, you're another slashdot mod_perl evangelist and PHP sucks because slashdot does not use it. (Ignoring the fact that slashcode is horrifically buggy and that web applications written in perl run as slow as molasses...)
    5. Re:SQL injection target? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Looks like 17424004 is into some sick shit. I mean seriously, what kind of freak likes aeropostle?

    6. Re:SQL injection target? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think he made it pretty obvious that he was hiding real information from script-kiddies. Obviously you didn't catch that.

    7. Re:SQL injection target? by Software · · Score: 2, Informative
      >Of course, they could simply make the user used to connect to the database unable to modify those tables. There's no reason for them to have that access.

      Yes, this is a good idea. Even if the database user had read-only privileges, though, SQL injection might allow attackers to run "unapproved" queries. For example, an outer join over all the elements might bring the database server to its knees (if the Slashdot effect hasn't done that already). So you'd want both - defense in depth is always a good idea (I don't mean to suggest that you believe otherwise).

    8. Re:SQL injection target? by SorryTomato · · Score: 1

      What does that SQL mumbo jumbo mean? Does it mean that my searches on aolsearchdatabase.com where I ..err.. for research purposes, look at what hanky-panky stuff people have been up to will itself be publicly available in the future? Scratches head...

    9. Re:SQL injection target? by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      I find this trick rather iffffy.

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  32. Privacy Advocate? by lcde · · Score: 1

    Something just dawned on me.

    Security and privacy is a concern. All the tech savvy bloggers, lawyers and post whores (us) have known for quite some time that what you search for or what you do on the internet directly relates to you. It can be stolen or used against your will. But the normal person blindly searches "teenage donkey porn" thinking since no one is watching over their shoulder no one can see.

    Then comes AOL. A failing social network that Time Warner is struggling to keep above water. In this company is a person who convinces the higher ups that "we should distribute this for research purposes"...

    Then bam. Everyone knows.. When you make a NYT article, that has deduced your searches to find you, you know you are in the public eye.

    I am here to argue that AOL did us privacy advocates a favor (and further, maybe on purpose). Perhaps the next time the government (DOJ) says: "we are trying to get searches from yahoo, google and MS" Maybe someone who can defend us will remember this.

    So why on purpose? The DoJ is pounding down googles door for searches. No one ever mentions AOL's searches because... they are hosted by google. (and 5% of AOL is owned by google). AOL releases 650k+ users searches, enough to notice. But Google has been rather quite in this whole argument.

    The Point: Google used AOL to get main stream media attention on net privacy issues.

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    1. Re:Privacy Advocate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just to save everybody some time, Google says:

      Your search - "teenage donkey porn" - did not match any documents.

      Then it recommends to leave out the quotes...

  33. The press can find one little old lady... by smackhopper · · Score: 1

    but why in the hell can't the CIA find Osama?

    1. Re:The press can find one little old lady... by mshmgi · · Score: 0

      They could catch Ossamma if somebody could just convince him to sign up for a free month of AOL service ...

    2. Re:The press can find one little old lady... by freakmn · · Score: 1

      I just got a picture in my head of carpet bombing the Middle East with AOL CD's. Isn't there something in the Geneva Conventions about that? I'm gonna stop before someone gets ideas.

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    3. Re:The press can find one little old lady... by mshmgi · · Score: 0

      Well, we've got to do something with all of those things. The US cerainly doesn't seem to have much use for them anymore.

  34. Nothing to see here, please move on by Rob+Kaper · · Score: 1

    Obviously she doesn't care that she can be linked to those search terms and I don't see why she would have to be. Anyone who would take the effort to get to know her would get to know these things. Privacy is about things people want to keep private, not about the amount of information you let be free.

  35. Just wait... by Chordonblue · · Score: 1

    Until she tries to stop her AOL service! Now THAT should be a lawsuit!

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  36. How to achieve change by RagingFuryBlack · · Score: 4, Interesting

    After reading through all of the 0+ modded comments, I've seen everyone saying "God, I wish there was something that could be done to stop this from happening again". You want to see it stop? Find something that ties your local congressmen to their search histories on AOL. Contact them with that information. I can almost guarantee you that if you find enough dirt on enough congressmen/senators, you'll see legislation passed requiring that Search companies not keep records of searches. It quickly changes from "Think of the children" to "Think of saving my ass from dirt that can be used against me next election year"

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    1. Re:How to achieve change by jc42 · · Score: 1

      You want to see it stop? Find something that ties your local congressmen to their search histories on AOL. Contact them with that information.

      But don't we want to read the dirt on our politicians?

      Don't contact your congressperson with the information you've found about them. Send it to their competitors. There's an election coming up; they'll know what to do with it.

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    2. Re:How to achieve change by RagingFuryBlack · · Score: 1
      Very, very intreguing post. If I had mod points, and hadn't posted in this topic, I'd mod you up.

      But who gives a shit if they don't get re-elected. I just want to see legislation passed to stop search engines from saving data. I know my midnight searches for woman on woman pr0n are something I don't want some person looking over. And I'm certainly sure your congressmen really don't want people seeing that, especially the republican ones.

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    3. Re:How to achieve change by The+Angry+Mick · · Score: 1
      Find something that ties your local congressmen to their search histories

      It'd be an interesting bit of info to see, but I doubt our congress critters use the Internet that much - let's not forget that the current head of the commerce committee thinks the Internet's all "tubes". They most likely rely on staffers for any research, and those staffers' personal queries would cloud the results.

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  37. publicity stunt by jrhollis · · Score: 1

    two weeks ago i had forgotten aol even existed... and now they've got their name all over the internet. this comes in the face of big changes there- including giving away email and webservices for free now: http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-6099072.html

    they say any publicity is good publicity, but i'm not so sure if i can agree in this case. this is a desperate attempt for aol to get their name back out there. if aol wasn't doomed before, i think this "stunt" should just about do it for them.

    1. Re:publicity stunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >if aol wasn't doomed before, i think this "stunt" should just about do it for them.

      I don't think so. Their new service is based on selling
      advertising. Selling advertising for premium dollars
      depends upon showing the advertiser that you have very targeted
      data. So why not release a tiny chunk to show how much
      relevant data you actually have (Thousands of TB).

      This is a common practice in the drug dealing business.
      Get a taste for free. More will cost ya.

  38. Good! by stormi · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I for one am glad that someone's identity was found from all of this, and I am glad that people are still able to go through that database of searches. Before anything will change, unfortunately, some big things are going to have to happen. I hope more people are identified and that it creates a media storm. Most people don't know or care about this story yet, and if they do hear about it they'll go 'oh, the information was taken down. and it's not me. ok then.' and they'll go on with their lives.

    Someone important needs to be identified by their searches, and sue. In fact, it would be best of many people sued. And I hate to be so cynical, but the only way I see any real changes being made by AOL and other search engines would be if someone were identified by their searches, and something terrible happened to them as a result. I feel sorry for the person who this will inevitably happen to, but I also hope that a good change will come about as a result.

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  39. Liars by Bob9113 · · Score: 1

    "We acknowledged that there was information that could potentially lead to people being identified, which is why we were so angry."

    No, actually, what you said was:

    "Although there was no personally identifiable data linked to these accounts,..."

    That is pretty much the opposite of acknowledging that there was information that could potentially lead to people being identified.

    1. Re:Liars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thing about a sentence which starts with 'Although...' is that the second half is usually contradictory to the first half.

      That means that you need some context to be able to extract any useful meaning from it

    2. Re:Liars by Bob9113 · · Score: 1

      The thing about a sentence which starts with 'Although...' is that the second half is usually contradictory to the first half.

      That means that you need some context to be able to extract any useful meaning from it


      "Although there was no personally identifiable data linked to these accounts, we're absolutely not defending this."

  40. pass the KY Jelly! by budgenator · · Score: 1

    Yeah and we all should squirt ourselves full of KY jelly in case some space aliens want to anal probe us.
    If a couple of clueless newspaper reporter can track somebody down that quickly via AOL search records, Imagine what the NSA or the DOJ could do. What's even scarier, imagine what foriegn intellegence agencies or drug cartels could do target individuals that annoy them. Probably this is good, too many people have a false sense of anonymity on the net, now we have a chance to know what they know.

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    Apocalypse Cancelled, Sorry, No Ticket Refunds
  41. google cross references search, news, usenet ... by peter303 · · Score: 1

    In Google News and Groups I get suggestions: you should read this ... Often it refers to accesses in other sections of google, rather than than the section I am reading now. I guesss it does this with gmail too, though I dont use that part.

  42. Privacy as evidence of nefarious character by RareButSeriousSideEf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You raise an important and oft-overlooked point.

    This is exactly why I think it's so critical to evangelize with regard to using privacy measures. I want my mother, Aunt Sally, and 8-year old neice to be using TrueCrypt and Tor at a minimum (or, something providing similar functionality). Privacy / anonymity suites need to become as commonplace as antivirus, firewall and anti-spam software.

    Helping strong privacy measures become the status-quo serves other important goals too. It makes it more politically costly to try to legislate them out of use, and it reduces the usefulness of developing new data mining programs that require person:transaction relationships - both for the government and for private industry.

    In short, when everyone's Aunt Sally can be expected to have countermeasures against activity monitoring running on her home PC, the world will have become a safer place for all of us.

  43. Oh those whacky AOL users... by The+Mutant · · Score: 0, Redundant

    While she was looking into helping a friend stop smoking, Happy AOL User 17556639>
    was busily researching how to off his troublesome wife.

    17556639 how to kill your wife
    17556639 how to kill your wife
    17556639 wife killer
    17556639 how to kill a wife
    17556639 poop
    17556639 dead people
    17556639 pictures of dead people
    17556639 killed people
    17556639 dead pictures
    17556639 dead pictures
    17556639 dead pictures
    17556639 murder photo
    17556639 steak and cheese

    Is someone gonna take the time to track this whacko down, or just concentrate on the low hanging fruit (i.e., little old ladies)?

    1. Re:Oh those whacky AOL users... by curecollector · · Score: 1

      I'm partial to 15222649, myself:

      15222649 how to do a pompadour 2006-05-04 00:03:22
      15222649 eating maggots is it bad 2006-05-05 19:59:23
      15222649 accidently ate maggots 2006-05-05 20:01:09
      15222649 eating maggot larvae 2006-05-05 20:17:18
      15222649 face cyst 2006-05-08 16:05:41
      15222649 labia burns 2006-05-09 00:14:14
      15222649 vagina burns 2006-05-09 00:16:26
      15222649 first response pregnancy tests 2006-05-13 10:00:45
      15222649 half breed people 2006-05-13 10:29:06

      ...and on and on...

    2. Re:Oh those whacky AOL users... by budgenator · · Score: 1

      just some wannabe-cop writing a research paper for Criminal Science 205, a real ghoul hides his tracks better.

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    3. Re:Oh those whacky AOL users... by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      you're probably half right, the ghoul is majoring in law enforcement, and will be patroling your neighborhood soon to serve you and yours, with cheese.

    4. Re:Oh those whacky AOL users... by cr0sh · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I am just trying to figure out how someone swaps back and forth between researching "death and violence", and then, right in the middle of such research, decides "yeah, let's look for 'poop'" or "yeah, 'steak and cheese', that'll do it!" - and then continues right on searching for more "death and violence".


      I can only think of a few possibilities as to why this is - either someone else was searching at the same time using the same account (or, hopefully, multiple people, unless the "steak and cheese" caused them troubles with "poop" - eh), or these records are presented in nothing like date/time order.

      Can anybody tell me if the data in the dump has more than two fields (all I have ever seen is an "id" field, and a "search terms" field listed)? Are there other fields in the data dump that indicate a date/time stamp or something so that the searches can be ordered by that?

      If not, then it is very likely that these searches were simply dumped using the equivalent of "SELECT id, terms FROM table", with no ORDER BY (or equivalent) clause tacked on, and the results were returned in a non-defined order (which might be by record insert order, by random order, or by any other possible order - for SQL compliant databases, if you don't specify an ORDER BY clause, the returned order of a recordset is undefined, and could possibly be in a different order each time the query is run by the backend SQL engine). If that is the case, than this data become just a bit more meaningless, as one could not follow a searcher's "train of thought" to determine what they were going after.

      This would have both good and bad consequences for the data as it stands - good in that it obsfuscates the data just a bit more which could conceivably help hide a searcher's intentions, but also bad in that it could make innocent intentions look more non-innocent, depending on how the result set is skewed...

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  44. How Not To Be Seen by StopSayingYouSir · · Score: 1

    In this picture we cannot see Mrs. Thelma Arnold of Lilburn, Georgia. Mrs. Arnold will you stand up please....

  45. they won't dare let this kind of thing continue by phorm · · Score: 1

    Bullshit. If they were afraid of consequences it wouldn't have gotten out in the first place. One would have thought "AOL wouldn't dare releasing my personal information to the world" about 8 months ago, but whoops, they did.

    Now, if they're suddenly hit with a barrage of lawsuits or a nice, really big, juicy class-action... perhaps that'll teach them. If there aren't any consequence, they'll likely do it again if it means making a quick buck.

  46. I was thinking.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...maybe it was an author....doing research...

  47. Context by phorm · · Score: 1

    Searching for kiddy pr0n in a search engine... sounds like a great way to leave traces around. But then, AOL users aren't generally held as all that smart.

    On the other hand, what if you were getting a lot of illegal smut ads in your inbox? Less clueful users might decide to go look up such a thing in the search engine, trying to find AOL's policy on it or some way to keep it from the inbox.

    Wishful thinking of course, as I don't doubt some people were searching for actual material... but not necessarily all of 'em.

  48. They Don't Care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AOL is a company that is going down the drain. They are at a point where they do not care one little bit about consumers. They are now trying to milk the last bits worth money before they go into the great mist. This was not a mistake and they are not sorry for doing it. This is a first of many bad things to come.

  49. The money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    would mostly go to the lawyers, since this would be a class action suit.

  50. Are personal details an advantage any more? by zoeblade · · Score: 1

    Imagine how much a marketing company would pay for that info from AOL with the personal details for each user included (i.e. Age, Sex, location etc.)

    I would have thought that knowing what a person is interested in, therefore likely to buy, is more useful than knowing their demographic, therefore what they are supposedly likely to buy. The age of someone will tell you if they theoretically prefer cola or wine, for example, but if they regularly search for wine related topics, knowing their age becomes irrelevant. Although I can see the advantage of knowing the name and contact details of the individual when you're trying to sell things to them.

    I thought this was the whole advantage to advertising to people based on what they search for: you know what they are actually interested in buying, rather than theoretically interested in buying.

  51. Always looking at the wrong issue? by saintory · · Score: 1

    When I read about the concerns of people post-story, it seems to me that they aren't focusing on the right problem. Throughout time, there's always been a sense of "big brother" watching over a people. In a time of easily accessed information and poorly managed governments, we're just finding out more and more about this watchfulness. Still the question among concerned people is "How is our privacy being abused?" when I believe it should be "Now that I know they have my information, how can they use it against me?"

    The Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution states: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

    I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on television, but doesn't this essentially say that any information gleaned from this database cannot be used since a warrant wasn't first issued to get it? Could this then therefore mean that any public dumps of information about us cannot be used in a court to prosecute us?

    If this is the case then the only thing we can use this information for is to protect ourselves from the people it describes AND for the people it describes, there are now a lot more people who can figure out on their own what you're doing. So stop if it's "bad" or go figure out a better way to do it!

    1. Re:Always looking at the wrong issue? by assassinator42 · · Score: 1

      I believe information given willingly can be used in court. If a police officer asks if he can search your home, and you consent, they can use whatever they find. The AOL search logs were willingly released, so the authorities could probably use it in a court case. I'm not sure about logs from other search engines that the government asked for. Some of those were given willingly, weren't they? Of course, I'm not a lawyer either, so I could be completely wrong.

  52. ROTFLMAO! MOD UP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You made my day

  53. Another Hysterical One by Chagatai · · Score: 1
    I'm sorry, but I went ahead and looked at The Randomizer, and saw the following. Here we have someone with a deaf dog who has interests in the Harlem Globetrotters, the human endocrine system, and a branch of civil services (?) in the Iberian Peninsula. I swear, this tool is the next big funny thing around:

    User ID Search Keywords Date Website
    14476047 canine hearing aids 2006-03-13 20:10:50 http://www.listen-up.org/
    14476047 harlem globetrotters.com 2006-03-22 21:39:33
    14476047 harlem globetrotters.com 2006-03-22 21:39:47
    14476047 splinter cell 2006-03-22 21:45:41 http://www.splintercell.com/
    14476047 pacreas 2006-03-27 05:19:27
    14476047 ounces to quarts 2006-04-06 16:09:39 http://www.metric-conversions.org/
    14476047 ounces to quarts 2006-04-06 16:09:39 http://www.metric-conversions.org/
    14476047 ounces to quarts 2006-04-06 16:09:39 http://www.free-gourmet-recipes.com/
    14476047 roy rogers 2006-04-08 09:33:37 http://www.roy-rogers.com/
    14476047 portuguese fireman. com 2006-04-21 21:35:01 http://www.portuguesefireman.com/

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  54. Me by kurtis25 · · Score: 1

    None of the users searched for me... How depressing. Although one guy (or gal) searched for ew.google.comwww.google.cojm. I contacted google and they said they don't use the .cojm extension. also note 318 pages for google results.

  55. This is beyond 1984 / Reality of danger, promise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I wrote a little perl program to check on whether my family is in the released data.

    This is very scary data, though also chock full of interesting info, interesting taken in many different ways. It was easy to find a number of people referencing my small home town of about 20,000 people. The data in general looks quite dangerous. Read on, there are two people who are on the verge of suicide it seems.

    Suffice it to say, the data is FULL of personally identifying information. And if you search for a given ID you can follow their trains of thought over time and it can be shattering; everyone looks for their own family online. AOL should hire some clueful people and get them into the loop, but it's too late for some people.

    Incidentally, I found one of the most interesting words is "should". That, and "cocktail dresses" but I'm not going to get into that one. You see it turns out that not only do people sometimes unintentionally paste info from mail or webpages into the search field, they also ask questions that normally they might just write on paper and throw in the trash, or give up worrying about. So what AOL has done is closer to taping a confessional, what someone might ask of God or their doctor, or just worry endlessly about, and release it! What infants! It seems to say something about why doctors and priests have a professional code and know how to keep things private. Here are some search phrases, I'm not putting any in that have a person's name but you can probably get the idea from this.

    what the fuck should i name my fetus
    my nose is bleeding from cocaine what should i do
    baby has something stuck in his foot what should i do
    my mom is a hooker what should i do
    how to tell a wife her husband is having an affair with you
    caught my wife cheating
    my wife cheated on me with a guy with a huge cock now what
    spy on the wife
    get revenge from a wife cheater
    catch your wife having an affair
    my cheating wife
    got caught cheating on my wife and now she trying to take my kids away
    my wife and kids are living with an ex con
    very sexy baby nice pics i wanna c more lol u should take a look at my pic s tell me what ya think if u wanna chat my yahoo is lets get it mane and my aim is mhsplaya8
    should a spouse stay married to a sex addict
    should i let my son inlaw fuck me
    i should have used a condom
    dude read this its reallllly weird body hi. my name is kimi. it's too late now. you shouldn't have opened this bulletin but since you did you will die tonight if you dont keep reading. well i'm 19. i don't have eye lashes and i dont have a nose. pr
    what should i do about heart palpitations after smoking crack
    should a man go to a strip club the girlfriend is upset
    should i see a married man
    should i tell the other man's wife
    should i confront my wife's adultery partner
    mom showed me how to masterbate
    why my girlfriend should give me head
    should i buy extended warranty on my laptop
    an employee jokes all day long what should i do
    should parents let their children become stars
    my son inlaw asked me for a handjob
    l want some pill to dead
    l want to kill myself pill sleep
    i want to kill myself
    should i kill myself
    i need someone to help me before i kill myself
    help no one loves me i want to kill myself
    best way to kill myself
    i want to kill myself indiana hotline
    l need to talk with a fbi
    should informants be identified

    Now maybe people will understand what AOL has done.
    I am posting this because:

    • I want strong pro-privacy legislation re search engines and other online venues
    • The use of search engines as Voice-of-God or call-for-help is real. Search engines should be mandated to 1) not take advantage of this with advertising, and 2) to provide a way to offer help to desperate cases i.e. wanting to kill oneself, being drugged, or being in the midst of a crime scene. You can tell if so
  56. That's a great idea... by freeze128 · · Score: 1

    I should search for those terms using AOL. It would put anyone who looks at the logs WAY off the trail because I'm not even married.

  57. let's not forget the absolutely twisted people by Maznafein · · Score: 1

    Like the molesters out there. Just something I found while grepping through the information.

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  58. http://www.metaspy.com/ by SaberTaylor · · Score: 1

    Without cookieIDs but you still get to see web searches.

    I used to see tons of URLs in the web search. Enough so, that it was clear to me that people were confusing a search entry box for the URL entry box.

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  59. Re: I'd hate to be this guy's neighbor by Eric+Coleman · · Score: 1

    user 21276481 is either fucked up, a republican, or both.

  60. The Search Engine Time Bomb by klenwell · · Score: 1

    I always referred to this as the Google Time Bomb -- that moment when all (or a significant portion) of Google's query data got leaked into public and our true selves were revealed to the world. But I guess AOL beat them to the punch.

    Two lessons:

    1. Don't use subscriber-based search services
    2. Change your IP address early and often

    Finally, google your name in conjunction with church-friendly terms in your spare time just for good measure.

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  61. Attn: Data Miners of the World by klenwell · · Score: 1

    lastgoogle query data is also available to the world:

    http://lastgoogle.pbwiki.com/Last%20Google%20Datas ets

    Unfortunately, the data doesn't include the AOL subscriber numbers of the searchers, so its research value is limited.

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  62. Google mixing directions with searches by jdb77 · · Score: 1

    Hmm, this anonymous user always searches for directions from 5 Main St, Anytown USA. If only the search company would release their identity....

  63. Why is Mrs. Thelma searching for single men? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read that right - correct? Mrs - as in married Mrs. is searching for single men...hmmmmm

  64. This is beyond 1984 / Reality of danger, promise by mattr · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I wrote a little perl program to check on whether my family is in the released data.

    This is very scary data, though also chock full of interesting info, interesting taken in many different ways. It was easy to find a number of people referencing my small home town of about 20,000 people. I shiver to imagine say a wife using AOL at home and her geek husband searching this stuff at work (not my problem).

    Suffice it to say, the data is FULL of personally identifying information. AOL is not telling the truth. Heck, Google even gives you an address if you give it a phone number, people are used to typing people's names into the search box. And if you search for a given ID you can follow their trains of thought over time and it can be shattering; everyone looks for their own family online.. I even found an unknown relative that way once. AOL should hire some clueful people and get them into the loop, but it's too late for some people.

    Incidentally, I found one of the most interesting words is "should". That, and "cocktail dresses" but I'm not going to get into that one. You see it turns out that not only do people sometimes unintentionally paste info from mail or webpages into the search field, they also ask questions that normally they might just write on paper and throw in the trash, or give up worrying about. So what AOL has done is closer to taping a confessional, what someone might ask of God or their doctor, or just worry endlessly about, and release it! What infants! It seems to say something about why doctors and priests have a professional code and know how to keep things private. Here are some search phrases, I'm not putting any in that have a person's name but you can probably get the idea from this.

    what the fuck should i name my fetus
    my nose is bleeding from cocaine what should i do
    baby has something stuck in his foot what should i do
    my mom is a hooker what should i do
    how to tell a wife her husband is having an affair with you
    caught my wife cheating
    my wife cheated on me with a guy with a huge cock now what
    spy on the wife
    get revenge from a wife cheater
    catch your wife having an affair
    my cheating wife
    got caught cheating on my wife and now she trying to take my kids away
    my wife and kids are living with an ex con
    very sexy baby nice pics i wanna c more lol u should take a look at my pic s tell me what ya think if u wanna chat my yahoo is lets get it mane and my aim is mhsplaya8
    should a spouse stay married to a sex addict
    should i let my son inlaw fuck me
    i should have used a condom
    dude read this its reallllly weird body hi. my name is kimi. it's too late now. you shouldn't have opened this bulletin but since you did you will die tonight if you dont keep reading. well i'm 19. i don't have eye lashes and i dont have a nose. pr
    what should i do about heart palpitations after smoking crack
    should a man go to a strip club the girlfriend is upset
    should i see a married man
    should i tell the other man's wife
    should i confront my wife's adultery partner
    mom showed me how to masterbate
    why my girlfriend should give me head
    should i buy extended warranty on my laptop
    an employee jokes all day long what should i do
    should parents let their children become stars
    l want some pill to dead
    l want to kill myself pill sleep
    i want to kill myself
    should i kill myself
    i need someone to help me before i kill myself
    help no one loves me i want to kill myself
    best way to kill myself
    i want to kill myself indiana hotline
    god please my heart hurts help
    l need to talk with a fbi
    should informants be identified

    Now maybe people will understand what AOL has done.
    I am posting this because:

    • I want strong pro-privacy legislation re search engines and other online venues
    • The use of search engines as Voice-of-God or call-for-help is real. Search engines should be mandated to 1) not
  65. We have a winner !!! by toochoos · · Score: 1

    5031621 can i connect to aol useing linux 2006-03-20 23:13:49 5031621 can i connect to aol using linux 2006-03-20 23:14:36 1 http://yolinux.com/ 5031621 how do i connect aol with linux 2006-03-21 17:35:01 1 http://yolinux.com/ 5031621 how do i connect aol with linux 2006-03-21 17:35:01 2 http://yolinux.com/ 5031621 how do i connect aol with linux 2006-03-21 21:09:08 3 http://www-jerry.oit.duke.edu/ 5031621 aol for linux 2006-03-25 23:28:02 1 http://yolinux.com/ 5031621 linux 2006-04-19 13:10:43 5031621 how do i add a modom to a linux system 2006-04-19 13:11:25 5031621 how do i add a modem to a linux system 2006-04-19 13:13:55 2 http://www.aboutdebian.com/ 5031621 linuxmodoms.com 2006-04-19 21:11:18 5031621 linux games 2006-04-26 21:29:56 1 http://www.linuxgames.com/

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    1. Re:We have a winner !!! by Aqws · · Score: 1

      Lol, I see someone else has been going through the data looking for what people experienced when using linux.

      The result was very unexpected, turns out there is a lot of wierd porn sites with linux in their url.

  66. Doh! by cr0sh · · Score: 1

    Oops - now it seems I should have read the rest of this thread - it seems that there are date/time stamps with the data, as someone has posted a list of searches with them. So - what are the timestamps for the "lookin' to kill ma wife...mmm, steak-and-cheese" searcher's terms? Are they in datetime order? If so, then it just becomes all the more weird why they would search for "poop" and "steak and cheese" right in the middle. Does anyone have an explanation for this (other than "they are stark raving looney", please)...

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    1. Re:Doh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because of http://www.steakandcheese.com/ perhaps?

  67. Wow...! by cr0sh · · Score: 1
    You have identified that people are using search engines in a very strange way. Actually, not so strange, as John Brunner depicted such a service in his novel Shockwave Rider called Hearing Aid.


    For those that don't know, the "Hearing Aid" service was depicted in Brunner's dystopia as a service people could call (via phone) and just talk, rant, pray, confess, tell, etc - and the service would never talk back, never judge - just listen. The caller would hang up when done, hopefully with a clearer conscience (or something). The book goes on to tell that it wasn't just a machine that picked up and "listened", but rather actual people, and that people who would call would try to get the "Hearing Aid" staffers to respond back, but they wouldn't - it was a feature of the service: a place you could call and confess your darkest sins or desires to a real human being without fear of retribution.


    This is not really a new thing though, with people "confessing sins" or attempting to get salvation or understanding from a machine (or crys for help, etc) - look into the history of Joseph Weizenbaum's Eliza chatbot - reviewing the log's of the chat sessions between real people and the machine, Weizenbaum found that people would talk to the chatbot as if it were a real psychologist, which was understandable since this was how Eliza was designed to "respond as", like a psychologist talking to a patient. Although, in some cases, knowing that it was a machine they would even tell it things that they wouldn't even tell another human!


    Are search engines now the new form of "Eliza"?

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    1. Re:Wow...! by mattr · · Score: 1

      > Are search engines now the new form of "Eliza"?

      Yes, I think you are right. It seems to be different from the "uncanny valley", a psychological phenomenon in which robots seem friendly up to the point where they are nearly but not quite human, which is when they seem really creepy. Or maybe we are not at that point yet. For whatever reason, search engines and eliza seem to provide people who need to talk an outlet. But it is dangerous if they think they are talking to a person and nobody in fact listens to their requests for help.

      I think search engines should maybe put a note on them saying no human is listening, or just flag certain statistically highly likely phrases for a human to check, just in case it could stop a suicide or murder. Tough call.

  68. I didn't look because... by bitbucketeer · · Score: 1

    Heck, I figured that half the searches would be "how to unsubscribe from AOL".

  69. Some more by g8oz · · Score: 1

    Obviously a little conflicted young fundamentalist is:
    359557 worlds most beautiful ass 2006-03-01 17:59:52
    359557 thongdreams.com 2006-03-01 18:01:00 1 http://www.thongdreams.com/
    359557 proof of the resurrection of jesus 2006-03-04 20:16:07 4 http://www.christiancrafters.com/
    359557 did jesus have a sense of humor 2006-03-06 16:25:25 2 http://www.biblebb.com/
    359557 world's sexiest women 2006-03-13 17:08:28
    359557 online seminary 2006-03-14 17:09:20 4 http://www.fuller.edu/
    359557 www.oversized-erect-nipples 2006-04-07 18:35:49
    359557 gospel of judas 2006-04-10 19:43:41 5 http://en.wikipedia.org/
    359557 long-pointy-tits 2006-04-14 19:38:41

    This homie is doing is part to go against stereotypes
    390569 www.golgteethus.com 2006-03-12 15:02:16
    390569 www.golgteethus.com 2006-03-12 15:03:12
    390569 www.goldteethus 2006-03-12 15:04:55
    390569 thick ass ho.com 2006-03-12 17:15:28 5 http://www.studioann.com/
    390569 thick ass ho.com 2006-03-12 17:15:28 5 http://www.studioann.com/
    390569 jewelrytelevision 2006-03-12 20:45:43 1 http://www.jewelrytelevision.com/
    390569 18k white gold 2006-03-12 20:53:12
    390569 all dat azz 2006-03-14 13:13:51 1 http://www.alldatazz.com/
    390569 booty registry 2006-03-14 13:33:42 1 http://bootyregistry.com/
    390569 ghetto gaggers 2006-03-14 20:08:14
    390569 worlds biggest anaconda 2006-03-17 17:36:51 4 http://www.coopsjokes.com/
    390569 long rope chains 2006-03-18 11:58:08 10 http://www.bestcrystals.com/
    390569 known snitches 2006-03-18 15:30:14 1 http://www.gorillaconvict.com/
    390569 hunters point homicides 2006-03-18 15:47:24 5 http://www.sfgate.com/
    390569 hiphopmugshots 2006-03-22 20:58:53
    390569 blackgirljunk 2006-03-26 03:04:46
    390569 fbi most wanted 2006-03-26 09:46:37 3 http://www.mugshots.com/
    390569 bigblackho 2006-03-26 09:51:00
    390569 ak47 2006-03-18 16:29:59 2 http://world.guns.ru/
    390569 san francisco mugshots 2006-03-27 13:20:06
    390569 phat ho 2006-03-27 16:20:30

    Sometimes life is just hard
    353435 dealing with stressful situations 2006-03-24 14:05:50 1 http://www.studygs.net/
    353435 los angeles county jail 2006-03-25 02:17:25 1 http://app1.lasd.org/
    353435 womens los angeles county jail 2006-03-25 02:20:49
    353435 women's los angeles county jail 2006-03-25 02:21:25
    353435 finding an los angeles women inmate 2006-03-25 02:22:06
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  70. Internet Explorer Wins 100 to 1 over Firefox by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
    In this site search for firefox you get 17 hits. Search for internet explorer you get 1650 hits. IE wins 100 to 1 over Firefox! But this is AOLcrowd, what else would you expect? I am really surprised there is one aoler who actually tried to find the comparison between IE7 and FireFox!!

    This site is a treasure trove. Let me play with it a little more. Republicans, Democrats, Evolution, Intelligent Design, so many comparisons to make, so little time!

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    sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
  71. more scores by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    In this site some more scores: Democrats: 8 hits Republicans 5. Evolution: 47 Bible 326. Constitution: 22. Jesus: 82 Vishnu: 0 What does it all mean?

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    sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
  72. Interesting evidence Watson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    A horny drug-addicted hobo or just a misunderstood hippy? You be the judge!

  73. use a search proxy by talledega500 · · Score: 1

    And forget these guys. http://www.blackboxsearch.com/

  74. AOL's query log data: useful for research by j.leidner · · Score: 1
    While I agree with the majority of posters that it is inexcusible to release a search log file with user IDs retained (even if only numeric), I would like to point out that the initial intent of AOL's data release, to help the academic community, is a very respectable one: researchers often lack data such as that found in query log, and universities cannot afford (or do not want to buy) the hardware for building their own search engine, which creates a research gap between industry and academia that AOL tried to bridge.

    What they should have done is taken the user IDs out and semi-automatically anonymize a subset of the queries for release.

    There is at least one PhD thesis that uses the AOL data (by Eric Jensen, see this link).

  75. Not just people doing the searching, either by Deagol · · Score: 1
    When I forst got ahold of the data set, the first thing I did was this:

    grep "[0-9][0-9][0-9]-[0-9][0-9]-[0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9]" *.txt

    Aside from the many SSNs resulting from this search, there are good number of names, addresses, and phone numbers in the same query! Hello, identity fraud?

    I hope some major lawsuits result from this and AOL dishes out some major payola for this mistake.

    There is the slight possibility that someone at AOL actually has a conscience and did this intentionally to highlight the detail which these databases can yield on common, everyday people. I mean, really, how likely is it that after the AT&T/NSA/etc. wiretapping scandals that a huge corp like AOL would allow something like this to actually happen given the probable public opinion damage? This "goof" has woken up a lot more people than the theoretical privacy rants from computer geeks every time some government agency is caught with their hand in the cookie jar. This hits close to home in a way that is very easy for the general public to grasp.

  76. Re:What a ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  77. Re: I'd hate to be this guy's neighbor by siriuskase · · Score: 1

    what does "sks" mean? I appear to be out of this particular loop. Hopefully, that's a good thing.

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    If you must moderate, please moderate as irrelevent, not something bad, because I'm sure someone will find this interest
  78. Biggest AOL Users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The top ten searchers are:

    Searches UserID
      279430 71845
          8695 2263543
          8274 23187425
          7545 117514
          7313 5288646
          6925 3318459
          5981 18350315
          5847 11112937
          5845 2359287
          5165 42075

    #71845 is the big winner here. My favorite of his so far "how to be a crime stopper on the internet and get paid for it".

  79. Re: I'd hate to be this guy's neighbor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a gun, a Russian gun. Seriously though, what is so fucked up and Republican about collector's weapons?

  80. I've come to a conclusion by Bryansix · · Score: 1

    AOL users are morons! Wait you already knew that.
    I searched for "http://www.google.com" and got 525 pages of results. Why do people get the address bar and the search bar so confused?

  81. User 4417749 latest searches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    her latest searches!

    User 4417749 how to cancel AOL
    User 4417749 beligerent customer service reps
    User 4417749 how can I really cancel AOL

  82. Re:Quick! - MOD PARENT INSIGHTFUL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Data poisoning is a good thing. If these entities are going to mind data against the wishes of their "targets", the least the target can do is make it make their job that much harder.

    Truecrypt is easy to use and should be used when needed (storage).

    However, Tor is a PITA and its effectiveness is debatable. Even if it reaches 100% effectiveness, it is not something everyone can and will do regardless of technical experience.

    OTOH, data poisoning is one rudimentary step everyone can take (plus it can be fun) to undermine the miners attempt at building a realistic profile.

    No, it's not an answer to the problem. Though, it is a good first step until a truly workable answer has been found.

  83. Re:This is beyond 1984 / Reality of danger, promis by jazir1979 · · Score: 1

    Mod parent up, it deserves to be seen.

    However, I don't think you should worry too much about user's who you believe are suicidal, and I don't think AOL should be tracking *anybody* down. I could easily imagine doing those searches without seriously wanting to kill myself, which is why this entire situation is scary and does need to be legislated (as you've said).

    PS: you included somebody's AIM id in that, bad juju.

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    What's your GCNSEQNO?
  84. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're trying to recreate perl -t ?

  85. Re:OJ Simpson by Digital+Autumn · · Score: 1
    If what you're saying is true, he should be in jail.

    There's the understatement of the year.

  86. Just found my name by HappyDeranged · · Score: 1

    Just discovered that someone or something had been searching for me! my own name popped up as a search term! wooHoo I now have an online stalker! How popular am I!

  87. Why? by vga_init · · Score: 1

    I can understand that the problem here is a breach of trust because most people believed that their searches were private, but I need some convincing as to whether or not this information deserves to be private.

    I mean, honestly, if you give a query to anyone--say you go to your neighbor and ask them a few questions in private--what is to stop them from telling anyone else about the questions were you were asking them? In this case, you already understand the situation and know how things like that are going to go down; you wouldn't ask them if they had any midget porn because you know people are going to be talking. Also, what if someone went up to you and said, "I want to ask you something, but you have to promise not to tell anyone that I did." I don't know about you, but I would refuse outright because I don't keep secrets with strangers.

    So long as people understood that searching was a public affair, no one would be complaining. I can understand that anonymity on the internet is DESIRED because we've been used to a high degree of it, but why is anonymity on the net necessary or even healthy for society? There is a fine line between what is private and what is public--too much of either leads to an unhealthy social situation. Sometimes I feel like people enjoy a little too much privacy, especially when the internet is concerned. What we are witnessing right now is a natural balancing act as society and technology grow and adapt to one another.

  88. User 239249 knew AOL was on to them. by kcjnr · · Score: 1

    hold the f#ck up u know what lil bitch i dont even fu# with your dirty ass no more. your lil ugly ass wanna act funny toward me when i am susposed to be your friend you start acting funny and acting like you dont kno me and shit but bitch thats cool ev

  89. AOL users by max_evil · · Score: 1

    Here at http://aol.zanoza.lv/ we tag and discuss AOL users. Several are already identified.

  90. Don't forget the flip side: the benefits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On the flip side, consider the importance of Information Retrieval research/progress. Search is here to stay & growing-- internet search, email search, library search, etc. All our lives can benefit from great search inventions, like Google, PageRank, etc.

    Now, the #1 best way to get this research focussed on real problems to make the best progress is to have lots of researchers able to examine & learn from real data. Working from a small scale dataset just won't get us very far.

    The researchers invovlved thought that anonymizing the userID would be sufficient, but it turns out that some *small* fraction of the users can still be identified, and that creates a PR problem for AOL, unfortunately. These people could use some understanding for their mistake & support from reasonable people.

    Rather than go rabid against AOL, let's encourage AOL/etc. to release large scale data through an opt-in policy or something. It's in all of our best interests.

        -A researcher @ the Information Retrieval conference www.sigir2006.org