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Tomorrow's Cell Phones

bart_scriv writes "Businessweek looks at the future of the cell phone, starting with some existing button-free prototypes and moving on to more outlandish and whimsical designs. From the article: 'New technologies drive many of the new designs. One example: Synaptics ClearPad, a new type of touch screen that will become commercially available later this year. Unlike today's touch screens, which aren't entirely transparent and often not very sensitive — we've all had to endlessly tap one with a stylus to get a response — ClearPad is clear, so it can be used as a sensitive overlay to a cell-phone display. Another innovation likely to change the cell-phone's appearance: flexible displays. An electronic ink screen prototype, developed by Koninklijke Philips Electronics and startup E-Ink, is thin and flexible like paper so it can be worn wrapped around a cell phone. Users can unwrap it to view a map on a larger screen. Eventually, the display could be used to watch video.'"

301 comments

  1. misfeature by Lord+Ender · · Score: 3, Funny

    The most important use of the cell phone is to get a girl's number. In a loud club, a phone without buttons would fail at this most important of duties.

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    1. Re:misfeature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Talking, to a girl, at a club?! You must be new here.

    2. Re:misfeature by rovingeyes · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Call me an idiot but I'd expect that most important job of a cell phone is to make calls (and hopefully not drop them). I don't care if it can store roman numerals for crying out loud all I am asking is to let me make and receive calls, even indoors. Seems like that is a feature that no one is interested any more.

    3. Re:misfeature by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1
      The most important use of the cell phone is to get a girl's number.


      This is Slashdot. Your comment makes no sense.

      In a loud club,. . .

      This is Slashdot. Your comment makes no sense.

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    4. Re:misfeature by Keruo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Making calls is assumed to work, atleast here in europe where we have basically 100% coverage.
      I can't remember when I couldn't have made a call because the service was unreachable, or I was dropped from call due bad signal.

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    5. Re:misfeature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As Keruo says, it's not about phones, it's about coverage.

    6. Re:misfeature by MouseR · · Score: 1

      I was in Temple Sur Lot, somewhere between Bordeau and Toulouse, just 3 weeks ago and I had a couple of occasions during the day where I didn't have a signal at all. And when I did, it seemed like 3 networks were fighting over my roaming line.

    7. Re:misfeature by Xugumad · · Score: 1

      Lucky you! Here, also in Europe, we only get one of the mobile networks where I work, for example (although the transmitter is more or less on top of the building next door). Reception in the town centre is also fairly poor for most networks.

    8. Re:misfeature by Pollardito · · Score: 1

      Who needs a phone to store numbers? write it on your hand, or better yet:

      Check it out, my new Gortec watch.
      I can store 20 numbers.
      Tonight, I'll fill it.
      All or nothing.

    9. Re:misfeature by WormholeFiend · · Score: 1

      The most important use of the cell phone is to get a girl's number

      And for those of us who already have a girlfriend or wife, the most important thing to do is make sure she does not have our leash^H^H^H^H^Hcellphone number

    10. Re:misfeature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you really believe that someone who uses a tagline citing Slashdot, homemade computers, Jedi Knights, and lightsabers has EVER talked to a woman before?

    11. Re:misfeature by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      I'm sure if we packed all of our 300 million citizens into say PA and NY and MD we could achive that easily as well.

    12. Re:misfeature by soft_guy · · Score: 1

      Talking, to a girl, at a club?! You must be new here.

      Don't worry. We will soon have him cured of such things!

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    13. Re:misfeature by Ignominious+Cow+Herd · · Score: 1

      Yes. But she probably didn't talk back. OK, maybe "Get away from me, creep.", but not much more than that.

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    14. Re:misfeature by Puh · · Score: 1

      Why don't you try packing 5 million citizens in California and still having around 98% coverage from two providers?

      http://mobileplaza.sonera.fi/matkapuhelin/kuuluvuu s_kotimaassa.html
      http://map3.centroid.fi/elisapeitto/mapa.php

      This argument is getting a bit old. Yes, we've had two networks that cover the whole country for over 10 years now, and there really isn't any more people in Finland. We do have one or two network operators who only cover the densely populated areas, too.

    15. Re:misfeature by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      You may think the argument is old, but that doesn't make it any less valid.

      People in this country want their cell phones to work anywhere in the country, not just in their home city / state. If you couldn't take your cell into a neighboring country, would you think its as valuable?

      You also ignore other things as well; landline phone is dirt cheap. I can call nationally for free for $25 / month. Its my understanding this isn't the case in Europe.

    16. Re:misfeature by yoha · · Score: 1

      You're an idiot.

    17. Re:misfeature by arethuza · · Score: 1
      I just did a quick check on Google Earth - the distance from North Cape to Gibraltar is almost exactly the same a Seattle to the tip of Florida.

      I think people exagerrate the size difference between Western Europe and the US!

    18. Re:misfeature by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 1

      It seems to work over here, too - and I have T-Mobile, which is widely regarded as having the worst coverage. You have to understand that coverage is never going to be good with a cellphone in rural Wyoming (excluding major roads), for example, because it's simply not rational to put up a tower that covers 2 houses. Nor should we expect coverage to be perfect in basements, tunnels, and other underground structures, though even here coverage is remarkably good thanks to microcells and repeaters.

      You also have to remember that the US has multiple cellular networks on two different technologies (GSM/CDMA2000). This is good because it encourages technology development and lowers prices, but it's bad because we have a large degree of redundancy in terms of coverage. The US has over 140,000 cell sites, many supporting more than one carrier.

    19. Re:misfeature by AJWM · · Score: 1

      I can call nationally for free for $25 / month.

      Ah, this is obviously some new meaning of the word free with which we were previously unfamiliar. Does RMS know about this?

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    20. Re:misfeature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GSM phones work pretty much anywhere where there is a GSM network. Since the whole of Europe (well, most of the world, actually) has one, it will work - although it may be expensive. Since all western europe countries have very good coverage, western europe as a whole has very good coverage.

      Now I don't know what coverage is like in the US. I do know that when I was there 2 years ago in NYC I got all my calls fine. And I do know that I never, absolutely *never*, had a dropped call here (or in NYC, or in Israel).

      Nobody expect every square mile of montana to have coverage, but it seems we can't have a thread about mobile, sorry, cell phones without having US customers complaining about coverage in *cities*. Invariably followed by wrong (GSM was designed with border crossing in mind, it *does* work all over europe) or offtopic (yes, $25/m is nice, it's also irrelevant) reasons as to why that is.

      May I suggest that it might be more productive to spend your time complaining to cingular or whoever instead of making excuses for them?

    21. Re:misfeature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      did you not read? it sais it responds to "Gestures" it doesnt matter how loud the club is.

    22. Re:misfeature by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Never gone into a tunnel, been in a bridge, travelling in an elevator, gone to a basement nightclub, gone into a shielded room...I am pretty sure that I have seen all these things in Europe.

      Hey, if you count UK as Europe, and I do, then I can't get reception in some areas of my flat.

    23. Re:misfeature by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Free as in no per minute long distance charges. As opposed to a monthly fee + long distance charges.

    24. Re:misfeature by JesseL · · Score: 1

      Now show me whre in Europe there is a population density comparable to Nevada, Wyoming, or Montana.

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    25. Re:misfeature by arethuza · · Score: 1
      I take your point.

      But I suspect that if you were to take the nothern parts of Norway, Sweden and Finland together you might see something about that scale and population density.

    26. Re:misfeature by Puh · · Score: 1

      > People in this country want their cell phones to work anywhere in the country, not just in their
      > home city / state. If you couldn't take your cell into a neighboring country, would you think its
      > as valuable?

      I think that is referred as roaming around here. I believe my cell works pretty much everywhere in there world.
      http://www.sonera.net/in/kuuluvuus_ulkomailla/inde x.html
      Ok, in the US coverage looks a bit spotty:
      http://www.gsmworld.com/cgi-bin/ni_map.pl?cc=us&ne t=be
      http://www.gsmworld.com/cgi-bin/ni_map.pl?cc=us&ne t=we
      http://www.gsmworld.com/cgi-bin/ni_map.pl?cc=us&ne t=at

      > You also ignore other things as well; landline phone is dirt cheap. I can call
      > nationally for free for $25 / month. Its my understanding this isn't the case in Europe.

      Typically no. We're in process of getting rid of landline phones altogether and reserving them for ADSL use, or at least that is what a large telco's CEO stated last year.

      You cannot get unlimited cell calls for $25 but you can get aroung 500 minutes and 100 SMS plan with it which is enough for me personally, but is of course far from unlimited.

  2. video on the cell phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I can't even complete a freakin' voice call, on the network with "the fewest dropped calls." I live in a metropolitan area and have never had a call last more than 5 minutes, even in clear weather standing still next to cell tower! How the fuck am I supposed to watch video? Frame, redial, frame, redial, frame, redial? Or do I download it to my phone while I sleep? Oops, now my phone needs a harddrive.

    I wish there would be more innovation in basic service!

    1. Re:video on the cell phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      If you have never had a call last more than 5 minutes, why do you continue to pay for cell phone service?

    2. Re:video on the cell phone by castoridae · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Service contract.

      I'm counting down the days until mine expires on the same network; I think they have the fewest dropped calls, because they have the fewest even connect in the first place!

    3. Re:video on the cell phone by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Just to let you know. They have the fewest dropped calls because they changed how the towers drop a call. it is not called dropped until the tower releases it, and towers are programmed to not release the call for 30 seconds or more after signal is lost, so you press end before it drops. I used to get credit for dropped calls on Cingular, I havent got one credit for 8 months now and a buddy that works in their engineering dept told me thay "tweaked" the software to not let calls drop.

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    4. Re:video on the cell phone by boingo82 · · Score: 1

      Um, you know that technically you can go right ahead and terminate service since they're not fulfilling their end of the contract, right?

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    5. Re:video on the cell phone by Brian360 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Beware if you're with Cingular. If you don't give them something like 30 days notice to your cancellation, they will charge you for a full month of service _AFTER_ they deactivate your SIM card, even if your contract is over.

      Additionally, they do NOT prorate your last bill -- it is always billed to the end of the billing cycle whether or not your SIM card was even active.

      Good luck porting your number from them for this reason... they just cancel your account immediately upon the port request, giving you pretty much no opportunity to avoid this extra month of payments. This caused me to be billed to the end of my last billing cycle PLUS an additional billing cycle for not giving them 30 days notice. It worked out to about 1.5 extra months of service I was forced to pay that I didn't receive.

      Just be sure you read the fine print on your usage agreement very very carefully... that company in particular is destined to scam you.

    6. Re:video on the cell phone by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Technically, yes.

      Practically speaking, they make it as much hassle as possible.

    7. Re:video on the cell phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if you want to pay the early termination fees. Technically yes they are not giving you the service you want, but that is not way you signed you signed for the service they provide no matter how shitty it is. Though luck.

    8. Re:video on the cell phone by boingo82 · · Score: 1

      Throw enough of a fit and they'll waive the fees...or fix the problem.
      I had an issue with Cellular One a few years ago when my (brand new) phone kept dropping calls, with increasing frequency. Soon, I couldn't make a 30-second call without getting dropped.
      I called up and let them know, and it turned out that they had sold me a *MA (I forget) digital mode phone and then promptly upgraded the network to CDMA, which was the opposite kind of digital and incompatible. I got a new phone out of the deal, free, and they would've let me terminate the contract without the $250 fee if I wanted to because they were not providing the $50/month service I paid for.

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    9. Re:video on the cell phone by durnurd · · Score: 1
      If you have never had a call last more than 5 minutes, why do you continue to pay for cell phone service?
      I don't own a cell-phone so perhaps I'm in the minority in not understanding what exactly this is meant to say. Do you not need a service provider for short phonecalls? Are they free if they're short? Is there a particular carrier that provides only short calls, but for free?
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    10. Re:video on the cell phone by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      There's a simple way to handle this; don't pay it.

      I've had Cingular, and I'd much much rather use them than Verizon Wireless. If you think Cingular is a bunch of assholes, you've never had "service" with VZW.

    11. Re:video on the cell phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      crappy service is different than no service

    12. Re:video on the cell phone by tsa · · Score: 1

      Don't complain on /., complain to your service provider!

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    13. Re:video on the cell phone by modeless · · Score: 1

      They're not malicious, just incompetent. In my case when I called them they happily sent out a check for the prorated amount. In the meantime I got several bills from their computers requesting payment of $-47.55, but it all worked out in the end.

    14. Re:video on the cell phone by LouisZepher · · Score: 1

      "Do you not need a service provider for short phonecalls?"

      You usually need a provider for the phone to make any sort of call other than an emergency system.

      "Are they free if they're short?"

      If you're lucky. Sometimes I can make a quickie call with mine (Cingular, pay-as-you-go type service) and not get charged the full $0.15/minute for a 30-sec call. Sometimes the system will 'be nice" and only charge $0.10, but that's rare. On the otherhand, many providers do have a service where you can call other mobiles for free, but those service plans tend to run ~$60.00/month, so it's not really free in the end if you only make a few calls. Some providers also have "free" longdistance in this respect.

      "Is there a particular carrier that provides only short calls, but for free?"

      Kind of, read above. If you don't mind paying ~$80.00/month for your service plan, you can get unlimited calls (mobile to mobile, mobile to landline, mobile to tin-cans-on-a-string, etc) that aren't charge minute-rates.

  3. Next generation iPod controls? by techmuse · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There have long been rumors of a 6th generation iPod with a full screen display and a virtual click wheel. This invention might make that possible. The track pad could be an overlay on top of a display that spans the face of the entire iPod.

    1. Re:Next generation iPod controls? by DarkJC · · Score: 1

      Wasn't Synaptics also the company who developed the original Apple scroll/touch wheel?

    2. Re:Next generation iPod controls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This company is nothing new.

      Immersion (stock: IMMR) has a TouchSense technology that is already in production with 3M. And IMMR is an official partner of Apple and several other cellphone makers and carriers.

      These are the same people who are gonna make Sony take it up the ass for thieving their haptics.

    3. Re:Next generation iPod controls? by pthor1231 · · Score: 1

      That was a big fake, I remember seeing a QT video of how the fake pic was made. I'll see if I can dig it up.

    4. Re:Next generation iPod controls? by chenjeru · · Score: 1

      Starbrite makes this already (kinda), it's called the "pPod". It's a program for the Pocket PC which emulates the UI for the iPod by using the touchscreen for all the button and scroll wheel functionality. Apple lawyers crushed it pretty quickly, but you can still find it floating around...

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  4. What I really want by Phreakiture · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First?

    I don't want a touch screen. In fact, that is the precise antithesis of what I want.

    I want a cell phone that has few to no menus. I want to be able to operate it without looking, by feeling the keypad.

    I don't care if the screen is even in colour, because I'm not going to be looking at it if I don't have to.

    I also want to be able to connect it to my computer as a USB modem.

    I have been asking for this for upwards of four years. Can I have that, please?

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    1. Re:What I really want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What I really want is to be able to hear the person I'm talking to.

    2. Re:What I really want by generic-man · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So buy a cheap Motorola phone with real keys, use a standard USB cable (with the mini plug on the phone end) and Google for instructions about using it as a modem.

      Here are search results pertaining to my old Motorola v180, which at the time I bought it was the second-cheapest phone T-Mobile sold.

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    3. Re:What I really want by loose+electron · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except for the USB port modem, what you are describing is a cell phone from 5 years ago.

      The modern cell phone has gone thru gobs and gobs of feature creep. The market wants more gadgetry, and if that is what sells, it will be provided.

      I think the reason nobody has made (to my knowledge)the cell modem, is because they can cell (sell!) you a PCMCIA plug in and bill you for the modem service as an independent service. Verizon sucks $150 a month out of me instead of $70. You get the idea.

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    4. Re:What I really want by tzanger · · Score: 1

      exactly that, but give me bluetooth. That's all I'm interested in. No fucking camera, no mp3, no colour, no MMS, no 500 contact directory; I want to dial the phone from my PDA, and talk on the headset. That's it. Convergence is just a quick way to lose everything at once.

    5. Re:What I really want by patrixmyth · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I really want a device that drops the functions that aren't directly tied to remote communication, and adds features that make remote communication easier.

      OUT-
      Video
      Camera
      Ringtone Symphonies

      IN-
      Detailed Call History w/ Search
      (ex: show me the number from the phone call I got on a thursday night last month after 11pm, not sure which week)

      Intuitive Dial
      (ex: I call my wife from work, and I call my office from home, when I open the phone it should be ready to guess which call I want to make based upon the time and location)

      Security-
      My phone is probably the ONLY place I want a biometric security device like a fingerprint scanner, and I want to be able to call the cell company and have them tell me the approximate place I left my phone (ie Corner of 9th and Main)

      Energy-
      I know it's not going to recharge the thing instantly, but why not toss a small solar cell on the back and let me dribble charge my phone by setting it on the dashboard?

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    6. Re:What I really want by bunions · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thank you.

      Every time there's a cell phone thread, someone posts a variant of the grandparent post about how all they want is a simple phone that only makes calls and oh god why can't someone just make one. Apparently these people have never been to the damn cell phone store, because they make a jillion of those things and they're cheap as dirt.

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    7. Re:What I really want by generic-man · · Score: 1

      The way things are going, it'll be cheaper to buy a PDA-phone than a proper PDA (since real PDAs with Bluetooth are falling off the face of the earth). Are you really saying it's worth the cost of a Bluetooth cell phone to:

      1. Take out PDA and cell phone, placing them within 10 m of each other.
      2. Pair PDA with cell phone.
      3. Open PDA's address book.
      4. Find contact.
      5. Tap contact's phone number.
      6. Tap "dial with Bluetooth."
      7. Wait.
      8. Go to 2.

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    8. Re:What I really want by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      The way things are going, it'll be cheaper to buy a PDA-phone than a proper PDA

      Great, so now you can replace your PDA and phone with a single device that does neither job particularly well. Yay convergence.

    9. Re:What I really want by pnuema · · Score: 1

      Switch networks. Go with Cingular or T-Mobile, that offer GSM phones. Then just take your SIM card out, stick it in your GSM modem, and done.

    10. Re:What I really want by generic-man · · Score: 1

      It's just as well considering what an utter disappointment Bluetooth has been. I don't trust two devices to work together unless they're physically housed together.

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    11. Re:What I really want by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      Agreed, Bluetooth is a massive cluster-fuck, but I'd rather the vendors just get their act together and improve interoperability, rather than forcing me to purchase a crappy compromise between a cell phone and a PDA.

    12. Re:What I really want by jackbird · · Score: 1

      Don't ever leave something lying unsecured on your dashboard while driving. Sooner or later, its sliding WILL distract you enough to get you into an accident if there's one to be had right then.

    13. Re:What I really want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I miss a call, I'd like it to tell me the time the call came in. I hate it when I get up in the morning, and it says "3 missed calls". It will tell me who called, but did they call me right after I went to bed, or five minutes earlier?

      However, if the article is any indication, they won't actually improve anything. It's about "fashion" (and who here gives a flying fuck about fashion?), not actually improving the damned phone.

      Hell, how about a waterproof phone? I carry a baggie in my wallet just in case I get caught in a thunderstorm!

    14. Re:What I really want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those are all very good ideas, any one of which I would trade all the lame multimedia features in my phone for. In fact, I'll trade them for nothing.

    15. Re:What I really want by generic-man · · Score: 1

      Your phone doesn't let you see a "Missed Calls Log"? Mine (Motorola v325) displays a list of who called me and what time it was. Even my cheapie Nokia did that. You just have to drill into the menus, unpleasant as that may be.

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    16. Re:What I really want by patrixmyth · · Score: 1

      Good point on driving, but I was thinking more about when the car is parked or broken down, when the battery may not be available to charge. I have one car that will charge while the key is out of the ignition, and one that will not, only while driving.

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    17. Re:What I really want by pherthyl · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hehe, dribble charge.
      The term you are looking for is Trickle Charge

    18. Re:What I really want by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      Don't ever leave something lying unsecured on your dashboard while driving. Sooner or later, its sliding WILL distract you enough to get you into an accident if there's one to be had right then.
      Go away, safety nazi! Those intelligent enough to secure their phones when placed on the dash don't need your advice, and those too dumb to secure their phones certainly won't heed advice from J. Random Slashdotter.
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    19. Re:What I really want by patrixmyth · · Score: 2, Funny

      Right you are, but being able to kinetically charge my phone by bouncing it would also be cool. Excuse me while I head out to patent the "Happy Fun Ball" phone. It would require a Lithium battery of course.

      WARNING: Do Not TAUNT The "Happy Fun Ball" Phone. If your "Happy Fun Ball" Phone begins to glow or grows warm, set it down immediately and move to a safe area.

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    20. Re:What I really want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read the parent's post again. He wants detailed search, not just a list of the 20 or so most recent calls sorted by in/out/missed. I could definitely see the utility of such a feature. Search for all calls made between a certain client during a certain time period. Database queries. Toss on the ability to tack on tags/notes/voice memos to the each call log, themselves searchable and you'd have a pretty powerful tool. I could see this especially being used in sales.

    21. Re:What I really want by generic-man · · Score: 1

      "When I miss a call, I'd like it to tell me the time the call came in. I hate it when I get up in the morning, and it says "3 missed calls". It will tell me who called, but did they call me right after I went to bed, or five minutes earlier?"

      Please read this post again. You want detailed search and an extensible call log. The original poster wanted to know when the last three people who called him called him.

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    22. Re:What I really want by andreyw · · Score: 1

      Who makes your phone? I've had everything short of dunking it..,. and it's ok.

    23. Re:What I really want by orielbean · · Score: 1

      The kinetic charge would be super useful, as even the chair jockeys have to get up every now and then to use the facilities. I like that or the solar cell idea. Either would be fantastic.

    24. Re:What I really want by anothy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      the problem is that all these folks say "i just want a phone that does X, Y, and Z, and i don't care about A-W", but everybody's X, Y, and Z is different. the phone manufacturers can only produce so many models, and the stores can only stock so many; the market drives them to hit averages and exclude the peripheral. for example, the grandparent wanted a USB modem. well, that's not on most peoples XYZ list; most folks who want a USB modem also want a camera phone, so they only (not literally "only", but the focus, still) build ones that bundle the two. there's no build-to-order market, clearly.
      i have a very small set of features i want, but i'm well outside the curve. actually what i want is very close to the firefly, except some form of data service (preferably bluetooth) is a must and it clearly should have some form of address book syncing via USB/bluetooth (programming it on that 5-key pad is stupid).

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    25. Re:What I really want by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      cell modem? you mean like this one?

      or you mean the possibility to use a cellphone as modem? well, even an old nokia 8210 can be used as modem via the infrared or (with a data cable) serial interface.

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    26. Re:What I really want by tfinniga · · Score: 1

      I heartily agree - would you go and be a PM at a cell phone company? Awesome.

      BTW, one of the items on your list, the GPS phone locator service, is offered by Disney Mobile.

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    27. Re:What I really want by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Or worse, depending on what happens, the phone becomes a projectile that kills you.

    28. Re:What I really want by anothy · · Score: 1

      you claim to want a phone focused only on remote communication. yet you're stripping out the camera and video capabilities. those are forms of communication, for certain. and you want a biometric scanner? that's not communication (which isn't to say it's not a good idea, but be aware of what your goals are versus what you think they are). your phone book features also aren't directly related to "communication", really, but rather addressing.
      i want bluetooth and/or USB, which is data networking, locally; i want data communications capabilities generally, but i'm willing to get more radical about "only communications" - dump the address book, give me two(-ish) programmable buttons.

      but i think we can agree on the ringtones. ;-)

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    29. Re:What I really want by dyefade · · Score: 1

      Very cool sig. Many a true word spoken in jest, I strongly think that too much time spent on the Internet learning to overlook/translate others gibberish has made me make more mistakes.

    30. Re:What I really want by bussdriver · · Score: 1

      STANDARD replaceble batteries- AAAA?

      no recharge cable & brick; standardized dock, cheap to buy extras

      STANDARD cell phone network (FCC does its job)

      bluetooth contact sync & bluetooth modem -- don't care about usb

      ONE E-paper screen (save power- ditch graphics)

      Runs at least as long as my iPod

      no buttons except as needed (please kill keypad, I can speak names, numbers, and spell words)
      Example: STNG communicator badges have 1 button

      no moving parts, strong enough to survive being in a back pocket of an american...

      Encrypted storage

      If GPS or clock, figures out home/work numbers based on location & time.

      If GPS, positions can be sent only to specified contacts. My location is personal information.

      Parental lock.

      Service: Ask "where is bob" and if bob allows it, the service gives me a location.

    31. Re:What I really want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i had a sprint phone with the modem feature, via serial port no less, about four years ago. and it was only $5/month for unlimited bandwidth! (still used minutes, but minutes are cheap). i think everyone realizes they can extort far more than that from us now, hence the $.05/kb(! - yes, kb!) i see cingular charging. sigh, i miss the days before phone companies had perfected screwing us.

    32. Re:What I really want by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 1

      I long just used a cellphone for texting and phoning. Just recently got a Nokia 3120 from my provider. (as my phone was outdated. So they offered a new cellphone able to operate on their renewed network) but now also enjoy some Java games on my phone as well or the organizer.

      I don't want a touch screen. In fact, that is the precise antithesis of what I want.
      Not present

      I want a cell phone that has few to no menus. I want to be able to operate it without looking, by feeling the keypad.
      it's my first Nokia, but the menu's are always very simular on all Nokia's I've found. There's also one screen where one can place shortcuts to common tasks. This significantly reduces the need to scroll and interact with the menu's present.
      With all cellphones I've used, I've found that quite quickly I've adopted to blindly type and operate the phone. These all had however a pretty standard 1-*0# keypads with the 5-key accented to orient without a creative interpretation and positioning of keys.
      I generally start every action with unlocking the keyboard (left upper key, *) followed by going to shortcuts (right upper key) or using the center button (up=contacts descending, down=contacts ascending, left=textmessage, right=organizer) or dubble hit the green phone (1st hit opens last calls, second hit on selected item phones number)

      I don't care if the screen is even in colour, because I'm not going to be looking at it if I don't have to.

      Valid point. I've found it a bit easier to the eyes and pleasant to add pictures to identify the caller. It's not necessary, but it's nice.

      I also want to be able to connect it to my computer as a USB modem.

      Possible, but it required me a 40 euro datacable. The phone lacks bleutooth, otherwise that'd be an already included feature.

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    33. Re:What I really want by tzanger · · Score: 1

      I never have to take my bt devices out from where they're at to access them. In that sense, BT has been good for me. Your "phone is a PDA" argument only works if the converged device actually works well. The Treo650 is a crappy PDA, a crappy phone AND a crappy media player/camera all in one. It's too big and bulky for a phone (I've had one since November), it's far too unstable for a phone, it's BT is very very poor, it's got no wifi, so there goes the well-connected PDA aspect, it hasn't got a regular 3.5mm audio jack so you're fucked for a media player... the camera is sub-par (naturally)... so no, the phone-is-a-PDA doesn't exist. The others are Windows Mobile platform which is a no-start for me, and none of them is small enough to be a day-to-day phone.

      So no, your bigass list of suck for BT is a far cry from my huge-ass list of suck for converged devices (with particular focus on the Treo 650).

    34. Re:What I really want by richlv · · Score: 1

      the thing is, it probably should be possible to create a finite number of physical variations that would still be economically feasible. but what about functional, more or less tiny differences that everybody wants in another way ?
      having the phones with identical interface, fully reprogrammable/reflashable, creating a community around them - i hope that is the future of this field.
      original company would provide infrastructure, full documentation, original version (with source etc), that everybody could modify and/or rewrite.
      but the thing that could derive from all this is a firmware that is vibrant, developed (possibly modular so that it can be tailored to everybody's taste) and flexible enough. modifying almost every aspect would be the required feature (in an easy enough way for both users & developers, for example, in config files - that could even be recompiled in binary form before being uploaded to the phone, if so required).
      so this should allow customising things to a level that is feasible, possibly by differing modules for different branches of too different functionality.

      there are small things to consider like super-safe ability to always reflash the thing, accomodating different hardware (so that software module for, let's say camera, can be left off and all the interface & functionality is reconfigured accordingly) and probably a million other things ;)

      could this ever happen ? unlikely... that would require serious change in thinking of mobile phone manufacturer executives, some initial investment (both financial and "brain power") and a way to market this. if that actually _would_ happen, that would a big change to the better world and so on :)

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    35. Re:What I really want by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      AFAIK, you can use any Motorola phone through Cingular as a modem (they all have USB) at just air-time costs. Maybe it's your carrier that's the problem, and not the technology.

    36. Re:What I really want by castlec · · Score: 1

      There is only one thing I want in a mobile phone, the ability to have a second receiver. I want to be able to put two sim cards in a phone and have them both work all the time. It sucks carrying two cell phones around because I have one for work and a personal. I don't care if was the most basic Nokia style from six years ago. I'm willing to pay for it but no one is willing to offer it.

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    37. Re:What I really want by jonwil · · Score: 1

      Heck, forget the solar cell, if they just standardised on a universal power jack (why not follow Motorola and use mini-USB? Oh and see if you can get the makers of mp3 players and other devices that could be sucessfully powered via mini-USB on board too...) then someone could make a small external solar cell. Put the solar cell on the dashboard and the phone in that space in front of the gearstick (or the space behind it)

    38. Re:What I really want by jonwil · · Score: 1

      If you had 2 sim cards, you would have to have 2 complete sets of radio hardware (antenna, chipset etc) and would effectivly be (as far as the network(s) are concenred) 2 totally seperate phones.

    39. Re:What I really want by narcc · · Score: 1

      I think the reason nobody has made (to my knowledge)the cell modem, is because they can cell (sell!) you a PCMCIA plug in and bill you for the modem service as an independent service.


      Er, my discount Sony Ericcson J300a phone works great as a usb modem. I can use it to dial a local ISP or connect directly through my phones existing internet connection. (I have an unlimited data plan for $15/m). My provider (Cellular One) gladly sell me a PCMCIA card that does the same thing for $80/m -- but I'd rather just pay $15.

      Er, you could do this with verizon, if they didn't 'cripple' their phones.
    40. Re:What I really want by castlec · · Score: 1

      Which is exactly what I want. It doesn't seem like that difficult of a problem to me but then I have no experience dealing with radio interference. The issues of simultaneous calls can be taken care of by the software in the phone (simply reject new calls automatically). It should have a single button to select which sim I want to dial out with.

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    41. Re:What I really want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you tried actually looking. I had a dozen phones like this, but sent them to a charity in Africa cos' they are too limited for my use.

    42. Re:What I really want by ColoradoAuthor · · Score: 1
      I see that Motorola is introducing a phone with an E Ink display, but ONLY in third-world markets. An industry representative says "EPD technology is not appropriate for cell phones in any other market" because it' monochrome and too slow for video. [EE Times, August 14, 2006] The display is thin, high-contrast, low-power, and visible in bright light. A Motorola rep says "emerging markets [have] a lot of sun." Hello Motorola. I think I've seen just a wee bit of sunshine in Arizona and Texas.

      It's amazing the evidence of untapped markets which the cell phone industry ignores:

      Jitterbug. It'll be interesting to see how the Jitterbug phone does when it is released this fall. It's the "grandparent" phone everybody's been clamoring for, though with a rather expensive calling plan. Apparently they've been flooded with an immense number of pre-orders.

      In-store conversations. Hanging out in a Verizon store, I noticed family after family coming in, looking at the phones, mumbling something about "these are all too complicated", then leaving.

      Rural parking lots. Take a look around a parking lot in any rural town in Eastern Colorado, Nebraska, etc. You'll see that many of the farmers still have 5W Motorola bag phones with external antennas. I bet they'd love to replace them with something more portable and more capable, but the digital signals just don't reach "out there."

  5. Buttons are "out"? by The+Dalex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's wrong with buttons? How would replicating the function of buttons on an easily-dirtied touch screen be an improvement? It really does sound like they are trying to find applications for technologies that are not really needed when trying to make a phone call.

    1. Re:Buttons are "out"? by Abcd1234 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, one advantage of a touch screen is flexibility when presenting user interfaces, as you're no longer limited to a prearranged set of hardware buttons.

    2. Re:Buttons are "out"? by pilgrim23 · · Score: 1

      My phone still plugs into the wall. Onephone I still have has a stalk microphone, and a crank on the side to get the operator's attention. It delivers a 24volt jolt of goodness down the line which fries every DSL modem between my place and the main office. I always wondered about the sudden screams of agony in my neighborhood when I placed a call...

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    3. Re:Buttons are "out"? by zlogic · · Score: 1

      The touchscreens are fitted into every product out there. My dad bought a car stereo with a touchscreen and that's probably the worst application of technology. Imagine trying to press a button on a flat rectangular screen with no guides while looking at the road. If the stereo had normal buttons, you'd navigate the button by touching and then press it. On a touch screen you have to know the EXACT location of the button; if you try to navigate the button by touch, you'll probably trigger something else.
      I find touchscreens acceptable in the following cases:
      1) dirtproof things (industrial PCs, kiosks, etc.)
      2) where a big screen is needed yet the device should be as small as possible (PDAs)
      I don't see any reasons why a touchscreen would make a phone better. A QWERTY keyboard would be too small to use with your fingers and typos will be made when you move your fingers. And games (especially the kind we get on cellphones) on touchscreens suck.

    4. Re:Buttons are "out"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I work on cell phones, so we get to see a lot of different models. The new LG "Chocolate" phone that Verizon is offering has touch sensitive regions instead of buttons on the outer slide. It's terrible. If you turn off key tones, you get very little feedback that you actually hit the button. Even with key tones on, there's no tactile feedback. There's no way I would ever buy one of these things.

    5. Re:Buttons are "out"? by AJWM · · Score: 1

      It delivers a 24volt jolt of goodness down the line which fries every DSL modem between my place and the main office.

      You're on a party line?

      Anyway, the minimum ring signal voltage is at least 40v, and it can go over 100v. That 24v "jolt" is a tickle barely above the noise level.

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    6. Re:Buttons are "out"? by mgblst · · Score: 1

      More space for the screen. Don't you know, it is all about bigger screens. Just look at digital cameras for this trend, the cameras got smaller, the screen got bigger, until you get something with a 2.5 inch screen that takes up almost the entire back - impasse.

      It does make it easier to read things, as long as they scale up the numbers. I remember my first phone with a pixel display (nokie 8110 - the banana), and it didn't scale up the numbers, so they were really small. I want big numbers!

    7. Re:Buttons are "out"? by chenjeru · · Score: 1

      Simple: Real estate. When half of my handset is covered with old-skool buttons, I have to squint to watch the mobile pr0n. I mean, uh, the 700 club. Ya...Pat Robertson....

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  6. Cell Phones the new pocket watch. by jellomizer · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    It has been a long time sence the watch that a piece of technology (carried on the person) is considered to be styleish. So it is not to suprising that there is a lot of R&D going on to make them more so. Because other then style the cell phone hasn't change much (batteries last about the same as it did 10 year ago, and the rececption is only better because there are more towers), yea they added some stupid features that Teenyboppers like but all in all cellphones hasn't changed much in 10 years. The only reason why people get them is because they are stylish, and you want to stay in fassion.

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    1. Re:Cell Phones the new pocket watch. by planetmn · · Score: 1

      batteries last about the same as it did 10 year ago
      Maybe it's just my experience, but battery life has gotten much better. The phone I had back in 2000 couldn't go more than 24 hours without a charge. Mostly standby, a little talking. The phones I had in the 2002-2005 time frame could go about 2 days without a charge. My current phone goes for about 4 days on a charge. I think that's progress. Granted, there are factors I'm not addressing here that affect battery life (signal strength, amount of talk time/standby time, etc.), but just in general, I think battery life is one of the few things that have improved on cell phones.

      -dave

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    2. Re:Cell Phones the new pocket watch. by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1
      It has been a long time sence the watch that a piece of technology (carried on the person) is considered to be styleish.
      Umm... iPod? Razr?

      The only reason why people get them is because they are stylish, and you want to stay in fassion.
      Huh? I get a new cell phone every 2-3 years because my old one no longer works well. I choose my new one based on features, durability, and price.
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    3. Re:Cell Phones the new pocket watch. by I_M_Noman · · Score: 1
      I get a new cell phone every 2-3 years because my old one no longer works well. I choose my new one based on features, durability, and price.
      Not too durable, if you have to get a new one every couple of years because it "no longer works well". I've had my phone (Samsung SPH-N200) for 4 years, and it's still going strong. Does everything I need it to, nothing I don't. I plan to run this phone until it dies.
    4. Re:Cell Phones the new pocket watch. by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Usually it's the battery that gives out, and it's cheaper to buy a new phone (what with the promos, etc) than to replace the battery. What I look for in terms of durability is: Are the hinges going to snap? Is the external screen going to get scratched up? Did the phone rank abysmally when compared to others? Is it big enough that I'm not going to forget it's in my pocket and somehow mangle it by accident?

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    5. Re:Cell Phones the new pocket watch. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMFG the spelling and grammar Nazis are going to have a field day with you. Not just your post, but your website. "English Motherf***er, do you speak it?"

    6. Re:Cell Phones the new pocket watch. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not everyone can be as special as you.

    7. Re:Cell Phones the new pocket watch. by frdmfghtr · · Score: 1
      batteries last about the same as it did 10 year ago


      Huh?

      My first cellphone in 1996 had 8 hours of STANDBY time, at 30 minutes of talk time.

      My current phone has about 3 hours of talk time and about 4 days of standby time.

      The phone is also smaller than the battery I had in that old brick...the WHOLE PHONE is smaller than that old battery.

      In short, you are sorely mistaken.
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    8. Re:Cell Phones the new pocket watch. by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      My L7089 from 1999 (which I still use from time to time) would get nearly a week on a full charge (and there were others at the time that would do even better). The last few phones I have had have done significantly worse (The T720 abysmally so, often discharging within a day). Mostly due to the fancy backlit color displays I have no doubt.

    9. Re:Cell Phones the new pocket watch. by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      Your analog system in the states must *really* have sucked. My mr30 from 1996 would get three days on a full charge. My L7089 from '99 would get nearly a week. This was in the UK. Some of the nokias did even better.

    10. Re:Cell Phones the new pocket watch. by frdmfghtr · · Score: 1

      It might have also been bacause I picked up the cheapest phone offered, and I was living in Hawaii at the time, which may have put the technology behind the times a little bit (but I can't imagine much).

      In 1997 when I moved back to the US mainland I got a much better phone.

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    11. Re:Cell Phones the new pocket watch. by morie · · Score: 1

      My Nokia 6310i lasted for weeks on standby. My 6230i lasts for days.

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  7. Do we need all that junk? by cjmnews · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As long as it makes and takes calls reliably, that's all we need.

    Forget the camera and data transfer capability, as this makes them a target for bans at work, jury duty, the gym, and other sensitive areas.

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  8. Not important to Slashdotters by winkydink · · Score: 4, Funny

    The only way a slashdotter gets a girls number is when it's written on the restraining order.

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    1. Re:Not important to Slashdotters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      The only way a slashdotter gets a girls number is when it's her MAC address

    2. Re:Not important to Slashdotters by devjj · · Score: 3, Funny

      You make the unfortunate, but common, assumption that all slashdotters are after girls' numbers in the first place.

    3. Re:Not important to Slashdotters by mhokie · · Score: 1

      Or when you intentionally crash into her car. You can usually haggle a number out of her citing insurance purposes.

    4. Re:Not important to Slashdotters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, most of us prefer their boobies

    5. Re:Not important to Slashdotters by freeweed · · Score: 1

      Yeah right, to get a MAC address you'd have to be on the same LAN as her.

      Slashdotters will only ever see her IP address.

      (And the contents of this post basically mean I'm in that boat, too :)

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    6. Re:Not important to Slashdotters by rising_hope · · Score: 1

      MAc addresses are usually addressed in Hex, which are more than numbers, but letters, too. Clearly, you mean /.ers only get a girl's number when it's her IP address, which is as prone to change as her mood.

    7. Re:Not important to Slashdotters by Korin43 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hex doesn't contain letters. It contains extra numbers A through F.

    8. Re:Not important to Slashdotters by dourk · · Score: 1

      We're not after their numbers, it's just the first step to what we really want.

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    9. Re:Not important to Slashdotters by rising_hope · · Score: 1

      Numbers yes, but not numeric. They *could* be represented in decimal, too, but never are. I was meaning anything outside 0-9 (numeric) aren't really numbers you can easily represent on a cell phone, as per topic of discussion.

    10. Re:Not important to Slashdotters by bangenge · · Score: 1

      The only way a slashdotter gets a girls number is when it's written on the restraining order.
       
      ...nope, you can't find it there *based on experience*

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    11. Re:Not important to Slashdotters by flibbajobber · · Score: 1

      Nor are 0-9 actually numeric in the context of a phone number, because a phone number has no intrinsic numerical value. They are merely ten unique symbols.

    12. Re:Not important to Slashdotters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdotters only have hex-girlfriends.

  9. e-ink phone seen years ago on Earth Final Conflict by techmuse · · Score: 2, Informative

    The e-ink prototype that they are displaying from phillips looks almost identical to one that was on Earth Final Conflict years ago. Just like the one on the show, this one has a screen that can roll up to place in your pocket, or expand to reveal a large screen suitable for displaying video.

  10. Helloooo? by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 4, Funny
    From TFA:
    In mid-2005, the average person bought a new cell phone every 18 months. But by May of this year, the cycle had shortened to 17.6 months, according to a J.D. Power & Associates survey of 18,740 consumers. "Cell phones [are becoming] so increasingly personal, they tend to be a slave to fashion,"
    Yah. I think we can all see how that statistical fashion trend is accelerating. :-/
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    1. Re:Helloooo? by mallardtheduck · · Score: 1

      Looks like the only thing that changed was the way they round their results.

    2. Re:Helloooo? by Tsiangkun · · Score: 1

      Average battery life is ???, and getting shorter with each additional CPU using "feature" added to the phone.

      I'm guessing the average battery life was around 18 months, but has dropped to 17.6 months in this generation of phones.

      I'm also guessing these people aren't 'buying' phones,
      they are renewing plans with new phones thrown in for "free".

    3. Re:Helloooo? by nmos · · Score: 1

      Didn't phone # portability start kicking in around the end of 2005 for the cell providers?

  11. e-Ink hype, again by Animats · · Score: 1

    The "e-Ink" guys need to shut up until they make their technology work. What they have is an expensive overlay film for existing displays that makes them reflective. What they've been talking about for years are cheap high resolution flexible displays, which they don't have. Eventually, someone may do that, but it probably won't be e-Ink.

    1. Re:e-Ink hype, again by edmicman · · Score: 1

      Thanks for saving me my post. I swear we've been hearing about this revolutionary, cheap, flexible e-ink/flexible LED sheets forever. We're supposed to have 60" HDTVs we can roll up for a few hundred bucks. And that was 2-3 years ago. Call me when this stuff is here now.

  12. Cue the oldies by BenjyD · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "I just want a phone to make phone calls" they will say. "Who wants all those other features? Kids these days...".

    It's OK, you don't need to keep telling us, we know and phones for you exist. There is also a large market which wants email, internet, calendar, notes, SMS, video playing, music playback, radio etc on their phone: I certainly do.

    1. Re:Cue the oldies by Belial6 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem these people have is that they precive the extra features as adding expense and more parts. This is largely not true. The phones already have a processor and a display. Radio requires extra parts (but the cost is virtually $0), and the video playing requires a better screen. The better screen just makes everything else more pleasent to use. Other than that the rest is basically software. These people complaining about phones getting more features are in the same category as people complining that computers are too fast and have too much memory. After all, the C-64 computed just fine, and that is what we should all stick with. Anything more is just making computers more complicated and expensive.

    2. Re:Cue the oldies by deadhammer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not a matter of "you old fogeys, stop whining about walking uphill in snow both ways!" It's entirely a matter of function. I'm 26, and my main consideration when buying anything, cell phones or no, is "What does it do, and how well does it do it?" If the new future phones make calls, have clear reception, and don't drop them every five minutes, I'm all for them. If they have a bunch of semi-functional feature bloat and suck as cell phones, I'm going elsewhere. There's still lots of people who want something to work well rather than be shiny.

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    3. Re:Cue the oldies by Constantine+Evans · · Score: 1

      I don't care about expense.

      I do care about battery life. That "better screen" requires a backlight to be able to see anything on it, whereas older screens didn't. The faster processors and memory required to deal with video and other such things don't help.

      I also care about interface efficiency for doing what a phone is supposed to do. Every phone I have had has had a less efficient interface than the last one, as keys become used for irrelevant functions. The latest phone I worked with required more button presses to get to the recent calls list than to get to the ringtone settings. Some of the keys were configurable of course, but none of the available options had anything to do with the phone functions. Apparently, the calculator, planner, WAP browser, ringtone settings, games, and so on, were all considered more important by the UI designers than a list of people who I called or or called me recently, and whom I might want to call again!

      I also care about reliability. I've been using my latest cell phone for the last 4 years or so. Everyone I talk to who has a newer phone seems to go through at least one a year.

      I would gladly pay 500 or 600 dollars for a small, reliable, and well built phone with a black and white display, quad band GSM, an efficient UI, no bloat (only phone, modem, and possibly SMS functions), a long battery life, and a three year warranty. Water resistance or proofing would be a nice plus. Unfortunately, most cell phone manufacturers seem to think that one either wants the cheapest phone possible, or wants an extremely bloated phone which does everything well except calls.

    4. Re:Cue the oldies by Constantine+Evans · · Score: 1

      Err, no, phones for us don't exist. As far as I can see, there are only two types of phones: phones that are designed to be as cheap as possible, which you apparently think are made with us in mind (they aren't), and phones that are bloated.

      I don't want the irrelevant features, but I do want relevant features, and I do want a small and well built phone with a long battery life. Where is a reliable, quad-band GSM phone that doesn't have all of the features unrelated to being a phone? And does it have an efficient user interface?

    5. Re:Cue the oldies by BenjyD · · Score: 1

      But why does the 'bloat' bother you? Take my K800i, for example: small, light, solidly made, reliable, goes about a week without recharging under normal use, UI is very easy (I can dial/message almost anyone in my address book in three or four button presses), great voice quality. There are smaller versions (k610, w810), but they would still be 'bloated' by your definition.

      I agree that a waterproof/shockproof version would be nice - Nokia did release some of those a while back, but I don't think they did well enough in the market to justify updated version IIRC.

    6. Re:Cue the oldies by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      The call dropping and reception isn't a function of the phones, but the number and power of the towers. So no matter how many features the phone has, it'll still drop calls if the tower is over-loaded or the signal is low.

    7. Re:Cue the oldies by asuffield · · Score: 1
      These people complaining about phones getting more features are in the same category as people complining that computers are too fast and have too much memory.


      It's not 'more features' that I complain about, personally. It's the fact that every time they add a new feature, they make all the other features just a little bit more painful and difficult to use. Every time they add a new capability, they cripple it in the name of 'productising'. I hate the idea of a cellphone that you can install software on, but that software can't access any of the, y'know, *phone* stuff, because that would threaten the business model of some of the carriers. I hate cellphones that crash, or have 20 minutes of battery life, or slow down if you don't reboot them every few days.

      And I really, really hate the idea of using wince on a cellphone.

      That's what people are really complaining about. It's just that most of them only notice that it's the phones with more features that suck more.
  13. Snaking buttons on a phone. by krell · · Score: 1

    If you don't have a simple 4 x 3 array of actual press buttons with numbers in the usual order, with perfect right angles (none of the snaking, swoopy rows), you've failed in making a decent phone. Do whatever you want with the rest of the UI, but don't mess with the basic phone function. I've seen and have had to use some pretty bad phone button designs (where you have to look for each button in order to press it), and to put it bluntly, "I've had it with $#$##@@# bad button design on this $#$##@#@##@@# ". It's not rocket science. Here is a badly designed phone and a well-designed phone. At least as far as being able to dial numbers goes.

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    1. Re:Snaking buttons on a phone. by jtaylor00 · · Score: 1

      Personally, my vote for worst designed button scheme is the Nokia 3650. Arranged in a counter-clockwise circle. Now how is that intuitive?

    2. Re:Snaking buttons on a phone. by generic-man · · Score: 1

      The Nokia 7600 is even worse. 1-5 vertically down the left side, 6-0 vertically down the right!

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    3. Re:Snaking buttons on a phone. by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      Well, to be fair, that's more or less how the numbers on rotary phones were arranged. I'm not saying it's a good idea for a cell phone, but maybe that's what they were thinking about when they made that decision.

    4. Re:Snaking buttons on a phone. by dfghjk · · Score: 1

      It's totally intuitive. You may not consider it ergonomic but you don't need to be trained to use it.

      You might want to learn what "intuitive" means.

    5. Re:Snaking buttons on a phone. by soft_guy · · Score: 1

      If you are actually dialing numbers on your phone, then you probably aren't using it right.

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    6. Re:Snaking buttons on a phone. by cr0sh · · Score: 1
      Hmm, once again they screw up what could've been a great design...


      First off, having the numbers in a circle is not a bad thing. True, it isn't anything like current touch-tone phones, but it does evoke the simplicity of a rotary dial phone (depending on your age, you may or may not remember them), with the speed of push buttons. Not "intuitive" by the definition of "what we are used to", but definitely a good alternative.


      With that said, where they screwed up is where they placed this new configuration. Imaging holding the phone. Imagine hitting the buttons with your thumb. See the problem?


      The "dial pad" is too low! Your thumb, at natural "rest state", would be resting closer to the middle of what is the screen in your image. Had they simply swapped the position of the screen and buttons (so that the buttons were above the screen), it would have been perfect. The buttons would now be in a similar position as the "jog wheel" device on the older I-Pods. It would be comfortable to use, easy to dial without looking at it (even in the dark, likely), and comfortable to use.


      Oh, well...

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    7. Re:Snaking buttons on a phone. by jtaylor00 · · Score: 1

      "Intuitive" may have not been the best word, but you would still have to train yourself how to use it. Try dialing with your eyes closed.

    8. Re:Snaking buttons on a phone. by dfghjk · · Score: 1

      It's probably unergonomic and definitely butt-ugly!

  14. There wont be any! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There wont be any cellphones tomorrow unless the EU grant software patents to Nokia. How else is a company supposed to "protect innovation"? Listen you worthless geeks, either let Nokia patent mathmatical fact and logic or throw your cell phones away!

  15. Re:e-ink phone seen years ago on Earth Final Confl by Keruo · · Score: 1

    I just wonder why on earth is that device listed as phone prototype.
    It has been mentioned on slashdot before and it's prototype for electronic paper, as the e-ink name suggests.

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  16. Cheap+one use by Prometheus+Bob · · Score: 1

    While everyone is adding PDA and MP3 player functionality to their cell phones, I'm still just wanting the big 3: Reception, Battery Life, Weight. Keep the reception good, the battery life as long as possible and the weight low enough and I'll want it. I very rarely use my PDA and my MP3 player get little to no use as is. Integrating them into a cell phone to make it more expensive to lose doesn't gain me anything.

    1. Re:Cheap+one use by TCaptain · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with the weight of a cellphone now? Why do we need to make them even smaller and thinner? Where's the friggin limit?

      I mean, they already fit nicely in your pocket...its not like they are the bricks from the eighties. Who's the gimp with the cellphone who keeps whining "I need a LIGHTER SMALLER cellphone...my arm gets SOOO tired!"

      I'm with you on reception and battery life tho...although my phone goes 4-5 days usually (I don't use it a lot however).

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    2. Re:Cheap+one use by edmicman · · Score: 1

      I don't want the Batman-utility belt, so I keep my phone in my pocket. Now, it's not unbearable, but I'd be all for it having a slimmer profile in my pants.

    3. Re:Cheap+one use by flosofl · · Score: 2, Funny
      ...but I'd be all for it having a slimmer profile in my pants.
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    4. Re:Cheap+one use by soft_guy · · Score: 1

      I'd be all for it having a slimmer profile in my pants.

      Obviously a slashdotter...

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    5. Re:Cheap+one use by edmicman · · Score: 1

      Haha, walked right into that one! "Ya-pee-pee!" Hah!

    6. Re:Cheap+one use by Prometheus+Bob · · Score: 1

      In addition to what mdmicman has to say with regards to not having a bulge of electronics in the pocket, I'd love my entire phone to be voice activated on a headset that hangs on my ear along the lines of those sleek bluetooth headsets today. I don't think it's too much to ask. I already have a voice activated phone, it just needs to lose some bulk (which admittedly is mostly the battery)

    7. Re:Cheap+one use by TCaptain · · Score: 1

      All this does is make you look like a lunatic talking to yourself while walking down the street.

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    8. Re:Cheap+one use by Prometheus+Bob · · Score: 1

      You only look like a lunatic til it becomes mainstream. (Feel free to quote me on that)

  17. The camera can make the phone worse. by krell · · Score: 1

    "Forget the camera and data transfer capability, as this makes them a target for bans at work, jury duty, the gym, and other sensitive areas."

    I've got one of those badly-designed LG flip-phones. It has camera buttons on the side, so when you put it in your pocket, the extremely light-touch buttons on the side end up being bumped and put it into energy-consuming photo mode all the time. As a result, I've lucky to see a battery charge last a day. The only way around this is to entirely power down the phone when I am not using it. The LG Flip-phone (which also has terrible button layout) is a great example of something that someone designed but never gave consideration to testing it to see if it was usable.

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    1. Re:The camera can make the phone worse. by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      I've got a Samsung that does that as well. And besides draining the battery, I've also got about 10 useful pics interspersed with 100 pictures of the inside of my pocket... in my Samsung, the mode key on the side can also be used to takea damn picture. There's a reason it went on sale for a third of the price of phones with similar features.

      Never mind the fact that when navigating through the menus, there is no way to go back up one level... you must cancel out and start over.

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  18. Kids Cellphone by Bender0x7D1 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    How about a simple cell phone for kids with around 6 buttons that can be pre-programmed with phone numbers.

    Button 1: Home

    Button 2: Parent's cell/work number

    Button 3: Other parent's cell/work number

    Button 4: Other relative

    Button 5: Neighbor

    Button 6: 911

    Now the kid can use it to call their parents in case of emergency or other problems, (or just need to be picked up after soccer practice). Can't use it to call their friends since it doesn't have a normal keypad. If you want to be paranoid, add some GPS tracking software so you know where your kid is.

    This type of thing may also be appropriate for younger children since it is hard to abuse - except by calling 911 when your mommy doesn't answer her phone. But if your child isn't old/smart enough to know that, they probably shouldn't be out of your sight.

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    1. Re:Kids Cellphone by jtaylor00 · · Score: 5, Informative

      They already have one. It's called Firefly Mobile

    2. Re:Kids Cellphone by Tower · · Score: 4, Informative

      Something like the Firefly or the Migo, then?

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    3. Re:Kids Cellphone by bunions · · Score: 0, Redundant
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    4. Re:Kids Cellphone by planetmn · · Score: 0, Redundant

      They already exist:

      Firefly for Cingular

      Can't get the long URL links to work right.

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    5. Re:Kids Cellphone by Tom · · Score: 1

      How about a simple cell phone for kids with around 6 buttons that can be pre-programmed with phone numbers.

      That's an excellent educational tool. It'll teach your kid problem-solving and thinking laterally to find a way to either a) do its own programming or b) get a cell-phone without you knowing.

      The one thing it won't do is stop it from having a way to call all its friends who have proper mobiles. ;-)

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  19. No 6, 7 of 9. by krell · · Score: 2, Funny

    "This is Slashdot. Your comment makes no sense."

    Not if the girl's number is No. 6; or 7 of 9.

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    1. Re:No 6, 7 of 9. by Apoklypse · · Score: 1

      7 of 9, or do you mean 2 of 39 double D ?

  20. Whats the point? by jarg0n · · Score: 0

    So whats the point of upgrading from my brickphone?

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  21. All that sounds pretty cool, by heyguy · · Score: 1

    but this is what I'm waiting for. That should be out at by the end of this year, I believe.

    1. Re:All that sounds pretty cool, by soft_guy · · Score: 1

      What's so great about it?

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    2. Re:All that sounds pretty cool, by heyguy · · Score: 1

      It will be no more than $50 without a contract. It looks cool, it's small, and it is simple. I've been using cell phones for about ten years and I've never used any of the features beyond the phone book and occassional text messaging. I want a PDA/phone but it will probably be a while before data plans become affordable for me. Also, the only one that really interests me right now is the Motorola Q.

  22. Re:Buttons are needed ... by in2mind · · Score: 2, Interesting
    How could doing away with buttons be of use to the user?
    No buttons means,you have to LOOK at the pad when you type.That means its going to be difficult to dial under low light conditions.

    An example is ipod.Every time I use Ipod at night before going to bed,I first have to hit some button to light itself up and then work on the menu/pad.

  23. Earth Final Conflict, Get Smart by davidwr · · Score: 1
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  24. The number one feature they need... by maillemaker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...is price.

    I cancelled my family's cell phones because with the price of gasoline we couldn't afford an extra $80/month, Verizon's cheapest plan at the time, for two cell phones. So I cancelled them and we went back to a "land line" via Vonage for $27/month. Yes this is on top of our $50/month for broadband but I'll cancel everything before the broadband connection.

    It's amazing how little I miss having a cell phone. Of course I still keep the phones in the cars in case of emergencies - all cell phones will dial 911 for free.

    I won't consider cell phone service again until it's around $10/month.

    Keep the bells and whistles - give me Third World cell phone prices. If they can have it, so should I.

    Steve

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    1. Re:The number one feature they need... by vlm · · Score: 1

      virgin mobile prepay $6 per month (actually, $20 every 3 months)

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    2. Re:The number one feature they need... by tylernt · · Score: 1

      Agreed, the prepaid plans are often less expensive -- if you don't talk much. Problem is many of the prepaid deals I've seen (thinking TracFone) require special phones, so you have a very limited selection. Maybe you can use regular phones with prepaid plans these days, that would be a plus.

      I actually have a $20/mo plan from T-Mobile grandfathered in from the Voicestream days of yore. Last I checked they still have a comparable new plan but it's buried on the website and they go out of their way to hide it... and if you do find it, they discourage you from using it (they usually try to upsell me to the $40/mo plan whenever I have to call them). I think $20 is about the best monthly plan you can find anywhere. If anyone knows different, let me know. ;)

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    3. Re:The number one feature they need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus Christ you people are whiny. You make a complaint, someone points out it's invalid, and you extend your complaint. Why don't you just admit you won't be happy until verizon pays money out of pocket for the privledge of you using their service? You get what you pay for. Get over it.

    4. Re:The number one feature they need... by rednaxel · · Score: 1

      "I cancelled my family's cell phones because with the price of gasoline we couldn't afford an extra $80/month, Verizon's cheapest plan at the time, for two cell phones. So I cancelled them and we went back to a "land line" via Vonage for $27/month. Yes this is on top of our $50/month for broadband but I'll cancel everything before the broadband connection."

      Here in my third-world country (Brazil) it's easy to get $20/month plans (not including prepaid) for cellphones. You can also get broadband for under $40/month (cable, 2 Mbit/s).

      "I won't consider cell phone service again until it's around $10/month."

      Can't you use a prepaid cellphone? The cost per call is higher, but usually you can buy "credits" once every two or three months. Here you can use prepaid phones for $10/quarter.

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    5. Re:The number one feature they need... by chord.wav · · Score: 1

      give me Third World cell phone prices. If they can have it, so should I.

      Sure, just come to live to Argentina and get one. And, if it isn't too much trouble, bring me a MacBook Pro please. They cost USD $1000 more here (for an older model!) than in apple.com. Hell, even a Mac Mini it's overpriced.

    6. Re:The number one feature they need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be new here.

  25. slave to fashion? hardly by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 1

    My fiance, who couldn't be more obsessed with fashion, pretty much stopped at getting the coolest cutest phone available. I have no doubt that if one came out that was really cheap and better, she'd probably switch. I don't think anyone's switching up in price on a phone very often, though. That would imply they bought a crappy one to begin with. Once they trade up, the trading pretty much stops there in my experience.

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  26. All of it useless by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    I want a cellphone that is not half assed like everything we have today.

    Razr V3 - nice formfactor, volume is way too low, antenna sucks badly, OS kind of crappy, camera a complete joke.

    Treo - nice try, let's not have early alpha stuff please?

    Some of the Nokia devices get close but they always lack somewhere. Somf of the lacking is the fault of the provider locking it out.

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    1. Re:All of it useless by frdmfghtr · · Score: 1
      Razr V3 - nice formfactor, volume is way too low, antenna sucks badly, OS kind of crappy, camera a complete joke.


      I think the thing with the volume is that it has a pretty small "sweet spot" where you can hear it well. At the same time, it's silly to have a volume control that goes to "7"...who picked that goofy number?

      The camera isn't so bad either; of course it's not going to be as good as your regular 4 megapixel digital camera. It's a camera on a phone, not a phone built into a camera.
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    2. Re:All of it useless by dafing · · Score: 1

      Glad to hear im not alone when it comes to finding the V3 as hard to make out, I wish that my volume was louder, perhaps some third party could add a better speaker? it might not be that hard to fix, and where theres a will theres a way remember! I dont find the antenna is bad, maybe its the coverage in your country? I agree sorta about the os and the camera is vga but thats to be expected of a 2004 phone.

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    3. Re:All of it useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dont care about VGA camera, the lens sucks horribly, every photo is out of focus on every V3 I have touched.

      also the antenna is in the mouthpiece so when the phone is in your pocket and unlucky enough to be facing your body, low signal strength so that in the car you get no signal, on the train no signal, etc..

      I'm with lumpy, these manufacturers simply shove crap out without doing any real testing.

  27. Future phone will be unobtrusive by davidwr · · Score: 1

    The future phone will be unobtrusive. Assuming it's not implanted, it will resemble what Secret Service agents use.

    As far as buttons, it will probably be either eye-movement activated using an eyeglasses-mounted device or remote-activated using buttons worn as jewelry or carried in your pocket, like a car key-fob. Video for those who want it will be via an eyeglasses-mounted "floating" display.

    Expect routine vga-resolution-or-better web browsers on video phones in the next few years.

    Interestingly, the last time I bought a new phone it was because it was literally cheaper to buy a new one with airtime than to continue with my old one's plan. I'm not the only one "forced"/incentivized into buying a new phone to save cash.

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    1. Re:Future phone will be unobtrusive by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      I was thinking about the same thing.

      I got a Bluetooth hands-free unit recently, to use in the car, and my first thought was "too bad they didn't put the whole phone in there."

      Obviously the voice-recognition in current phones isn't good enough to do this, but I could imagine that if it got better that you could do away with the button-pad completely except as some sort of add-on device. Or use a Bluetooth-enabled PDA or computer as the keypad and for programming. The sole purpose of the phone would be to interpret voice commands and make calls -- in fact it wouldn't have to even have that much processing power, since you could do the voice recognition on the network end. Just open a connection, and start giving it commands. (Like an operator-assisted traditional call, without the human operator.)

      Once you remove the keypad, display, camera, and all the other cruft, I think you could probably get the essential cellphone components down to the size of something that you could wear on or in your ear. Dialing would be through a voice interface, as well as basic PDA type functions ("What appointments do I have this afternoon?" = "You have a 3pm appointment with Joe Quimby, 4pm with Jill Summers..."). This could be accomplished either by using a WLAN to connect to a PDA, or by using the cell network to access an internet-enabled calendar.

      But I definitely think that as long as you're re-envisioning the cellphone, it's time to look beyond a brick-like thing that you keep in your pocket and hold to your face. The technical reasons for having that are dwindling, and there are enough advantages to support at least a niche market for a much more compact, always-present form of telecommunications.

      Would some people hate this? Sure -- but enough people seem to walk around with BT headsets on their ears that I think there'd be a market for ones even smaller and lighter and more transparent.

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  28. i wish... by misfit815 · · Score: 1

    Wanted: Robust inexpensive mobile phone that can be purchased at local brick&mortar. Extremely loud (but mute-able) ringer preferred.

    NOT Wanted: Potentially *hot* phone from eBay, which requires any hacking at all to use any given service provider. Phone that can play music, check email, make coffee, and/or dance the jitterbug. Service agreements. ... never gonna happen.

    J

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    1. Re:i wish... by Random+Destruction · · Score: 1

      When you go, can I get a ride? Sounds like the phone I want :/

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  29. Touchscreen? No thanks! by CharAznable · · Score: 2, Informative

    I had a Samsung i300 that had no buttons, just a touch screen. It was a pain if I had to use the thing while I'm eating fried chicken or pizza. It also sucked because I couldn't dial by touch. I just want buttons. Nothing bloody wrong with buttons.

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    1. Re:Touchscreen? No thanks! by twifosp · · Score: 1
      I had a Samsung i300 that had no buttons, just a touch screen. It was a pain if I had to use the thing while I'm eating fried chicken or pizza. It also sucked because I couldn't dial by touch. I just want buttons. Nothing bloody wrong with buttons.

      Dude... getting grease from fried chicken or pizza on your buttons isn't any more sanitary than getting it on your touch screen. You don't need to answer your phone while stuffing your face with substances more likely to kill you than ciggerrettes. Call them back.

  30. Quantum leap by oz1cz · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The article is called "A Quantum Leap for Cell Phones".

    It puzzles me that people use a "quantum leap" as a term for a large jump, when in reality it is the smallest jump possible.

    1. Re:Quantum leap by smoor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The term reflects the nature of the change - not the magnitude...

      In physics, a quantum leap or quantum jump is a change of an electron within an atom from one energy state to the next. This is a discontinuous change in which the electron goes from one energy level to another without passing through any intermediate levels. This phenomenon contradicted expectations set by theories older than quantum mechanics that energy should always change continuously.
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_leap

    2. Re:Quantum leap by hb253 · · Score: 1

      You are now my friend :-)

      The misuse of quantum leap bothers me just as much as the misuse of aggravate vs. irritate.

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    3. Re:Quantum leap by RajivSLK · · Score: 1

      USAGE NOTE Aggravate comes from the Latin verb aggravre, which meant "to make heavier," that is, "to add to the weight of." It also had the extended senses "to annoy" and "to oppress." Some people claim that aggravate can only mean "to make worse," and not "to irritate," on the basis of the word's etymology. But in doing so, they ignore not only an English sense in use since the 17th century, but also one of the original Latin ones. Sixty-eight percent of the Usage Panel approves of its use in It's the endless wait for luggage that aggravates me the most about air travel.

    4. Re:Quantum leap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quantum leap was not misused in this case, and the fact that you don't understand that either aggrivates or irritates me.

  31. What about cold weather? by dysk · · Score: 2, Informative
    These phones look pretty stylish, but I'd stay away from any touchpad style phone if you ever plan on wearing gloves. Touchpads only work with direct skin contact, so that rules out using them outside in cold weather.

    Cell phones could go a long way, but I think that something like this limits the environment too much.

    1. Re:What about cold weather? by OhBoy! · · Score: 1

      I'll admit I didn't bother to RTFA, but there are plenty of pressure sensitive screens out there requiring no skin contact. Ever try using Palm Pilot? You can touch it with anything - piece of plastic, a toothpick, etc.

    2. Re:What about cold weather? by jpkunst · · Score: 1
      Touchpads only work with direct skin contact

      I don't know if the scroll wheel of an iPod Nano is a "touchpad" according to your definition, but that doesn't need direct skin contact. I can use the scroll wheel through a plastic iSkin cover. Granted, it's less smooth than direct skin contact, but it works.

      JP

  32. Innovative naming by noidentity · · Score: 1

    I'd like to see some innovation in naming of these things. My suggestion: cell-everthing-but-the-kitchen-sink-"phone"

  33. Re:e-ink phone seen years ago on Earth Final Confl by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

    Except that, AFAIK, current e-ink isn't well suited to video, thanks to the relatively long update times.

  34. Secret Compartment...finally by mcguiver · · Score: 2, Funny

    I am glad that they started including a secret compartment for valuables. That way if someone tries mugging me then they will only see the 120 carrats of diamonds and not think that I have anything worth stealing.

  35. I've said it before, I'll say it again by bunions · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Cell phones are computer replacements for the general public. Eventually displays will get good enough, input will improve to an adequate state and cpus will be fast & low-power enough. Once technology gets to a point where you can browse the web in some sort of reasonable fashion, [desk|lap]top computers will become a niche market item.

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    1. Re:I've said it before, I'll say it again by Bungleman · · Score: 1

      Yea, and it wasn't that many years ago that we heard the same thing about PDAs. Amazingly, computers are still around and going strong. IMO, the main barrier with using cell phones as computers is the input method. The current trend is that cell phones are getting smaller and smaller, and I doubt we'll be slipping any keyboards in there anytime soon.

  36. Get off my lawn!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Damn whippersnappers.

  37. I think you mean... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

    I think you mean 976.

    1. Re:I think you mean... by LouisZepher · · Score: 1

      As in 976-Evil, or were you thinking 867, as in followed by "5309"?

  38. Re:Buttons are needed ... by Abcd1234 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Personally, I'd love to see a merger of touchscreen technology with something along the lines of piezoelectric polymers. This would make it possible to create flexible, touch-sensitive interfaces with surfaces that could be deformed to provide tactile feedback.

  39. Good Tactile Design by ToxikFetus · · Score: 1

    To further elaborate on your points, an important part of keypad layout is the tactile design of the buttons. I want to be able to find the "home" key of the keypad (5, 0, whatever), similar to how the 'F' and 'J' keys have little bumps on a standard 104-key keyboard. Also, it is *essential* that the call and end buttons are distinguishible by touch. I want to be able to answer/hangup my phone quickly and without looking at it (in the car, in the dark, etc.). My Nokia garbagephone passes the first test but fails the second. It's annoying as hell. I'd get a different one I can't have a cameraphone at my job (plus this was cheap as free).

  40. Mine has that. by Belial6 · · Score: 1

    My LG VX3300 that I got free from Verizon does that. I did have to buy the $35 cable, but it plugs into my laptops usb port and works like a regular modem. The billing is just air time, so on nights and weekends it is free to use. That is great because during weekdays I am almost always near a real internet connection anyways.

    The one drawback is that it is a modem. It is not a broadband connection. The speed is similar to a 56k modem. Don't expect to download your favorit Linux Distro. Not even DSL.

  41. Article on Nokia manufacturing plants... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I find the related article on logistics of Nokia phone factories more interesting, at least considering the volumes: 900k phones per *day*, from 275 million components.

    http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/aug2 006/gb20060803_618811.htm

    Slideshow of Nokia Salo plant may also be of some interest. Everything on the photos looks reasonably like it did back '96 when I saw it on a tour, though...

  42. Re:Buttons are needed ... by 91degrees · · Score: 1

    It allows a larger screen. Most people want a full sized screen and a full set of controls, without the device being any larger. The Sony-Ericsson P900 uses a compromise where the button flap folds down, but it's not great. Personally, I think you could probably manage this by putting the buttons on the back, but that perhaps people find that configuration disconcerting or impractical for some reason.

  43. Re:Buttons are needed ... by mallardtheduck · · Score: 1

    You will still have to touch the screen in order to turn on the backlight, how is that different to pressing a button to do the same?

  44. Incentives not the same.... by Hap76 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I think they sell the jazzy camera/music phones with lots of features because they are getting money on all of them. Want pictures? - they have them, and they will charge you to send them anywhere. Music and ringtones - same thing. The phones cost more at the front end (though more than they cost to make? I don't know) but they include the possibility of making more money with the services.

    The features you want, while useful, don't allow the cell phone company to make money except when they sell the phone. The lost phone GPS might be a chargeable service, but they might be able to do that now, without other security features. The other features don't let them make money, and I don't know that there are enough providers (because of coverage issues - it seems like only a few big companies have enough coverage to be useful, and others are only useful within a narrow range) to generate a market push to compel the cell phone companies to ask manufacturers to include them. In addition, the price of the phone (the only place they can recoup the cost) might be increased enough to make them uneconomic.

    1. Re:Incentives not the same.... by jsebrech · · Score: 1
      I think they sell the jazzy camera/music phones with lots of features because they are getting money on all of them. Want pictures? - they have them, and they will charge you to send them anywhere. Music and ringtones - same thing. The phones cost more at the front end (though more than they cost to make? I don't know) but they include the possibility of making more money with the services.

      You're confusing handset makers with providers. In my country phone companies are forbidden from tying the phone to the service, and phones generally compete on their merits, instead of on what provider is backing them.

      There's no conspiracy here, those features aren't in phones for simple but sufficient reasons. From the thread originating post:
      • Detailed call history: It would be too complex to use, so phone makers place a simpler call history in there because Joe Random will actually be able to use it, and 99 percent of people will be perfectly satisfied with it.
      • Solar charging: Isn't in there because battery technology (especially lithium ion) doesn't support that method of charging (constant slow charge, instead of sporadic fast charge).
      • Fingerprint scanners: Aren't on phones because they're expensive and useless without infrastructure to support them. These will be launched as separate devices before they will get integrated into phones.
      • Intuitive dial: Requires GPS to tie it to location, which most phones don't have.
    2. Re:Incentives not the same.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Intuitive dial: Requires GPS to tie it to location, which most phones don't have.

      Or they could just, you know, reference things by towers.

    3. Re:Incentives not the same.... by plague3106 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Your idea works until you realize that you can easily 'hack' your phone to allow transfers to and from your computer. For example, VZW blocks ALL file / data transfer. Buying the Motorola Phone Tools + a 'bonus' cd unlocks all the features VZW attempted to block.

    4. Re:Incentives not the same.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plus, who needs intuitive dialing when you already have voice dialing? All I have to do to call someone is flip open my phone, say "call $name" and then say yes when it repeats their name back to me. Isn't that simple enough?

    5. Re:Incentives not the same.... by Hap76 · · Score: 0

      1) The services profit the cellular service companies, while the extra features profit the cell phone makers, so I figured that both of them make money from the transactions. In many, if not most, cellular service plans, the phone and the plan are coupled. (I have had Verizon in the US - others may vary), so people don't shop for phones and then for plans - they shop for both simultaneously. Based on what is advertised by cellular service providers in the US (which is what they want to sell, presumably because they have a greater economic incentive to do so), there is significant emphasis on providing phones with lots of features (most of which generate money for the providers) and less on simplicity of use (although maybe that's just because simplicity of use is assumed

      2) The solar cell data makes sense, but I don't know enough about either solar cells or battery types to know.

      3) I thought that all cell phones in the US were equipped with some sort of location device for 911 calls - if it's not GPS, it could be used similarly, to provide the service requested in the post before mine; locations of towers, as someone else suggested, could be used as well. Maybe there aren't enough people that want this, though.

    6. Re:Incentives not the same.... by jonwil · · Score: 1

      With respect to call history, the call history that is on every single GSM & UMTS 3G phone I have seen uses the GSM standard phonebooks for "recieved calls" and "dialed calls".
      Applications and devices that send AT commands to the phone (over bluetooth,USB etc) can read these phonebooks with the GSM phonebook commands.

    7. Re:Incentives not the same.... by dougmc · · Score: 1
      Solar charging: Isn't in there because battery technology (especially lithium ion) doesn't support that method of charging (constant slow charge, instead of sporadic fast charge).
      Oh, bull. Li-ion/lipoly will handle that sort of charge just fine. So will NiCd and NiMH and lead-acid batteries, for that matter.


      For NiCd and NiMH cells, you can just put a diode in the circuit to keep the battery from discharging back into the solar cells when there is no sun, but as long as the charge rate is less than C/10, you can pretty much leave it charging for days with little trouble. If you leave it going for days or weeks you'll run into some voltage depression (especially with NiCds, but NiMHs can do it too) (often mistakenly called `memory') but I doubt it would be a problem for a cell phone like this. [more later]

      For li-ion cells, you'd still need that diode, and you'd need a circuit to prevent the solar cells from charging the li-ion cell past 4.2 volts, but that's it. It doesn't matter if the charge rate is C/2 or C/100. Li-ion have a low self discharge rate, so a charge rate of C/100 would probably be fine, as long as you don't mind your battery taking four days to charge. (Charging NiMH cells at C/100 probably wouldn't get you anywhere, as the self discharge rate will be similar. You could probably get the battery charged somewhat in a few days, but you'd never get it to 100%.)

      A bigger problem is probably that a small solar cell just won't generate much power. Some back of the napkin calculations suggest that a 1 in^2 solar cell could generate about 100 mW of power under direct sunlight. Assuming no wasted power (which is a big assumption), it would take about 28 hours of direct sunlight to fully charge a 700 mAh Li-ion cell like you might find in a cell phone. So give it about four days to get fully charged? Granted, you might not need a full charge to make an emergency call, but I just don't see this being that useful unless you're trapped somewhere with a dead battery, but not too far from a cell tower, and you're going to die unless you can make a call. Let's hope it's sunny!

      People do already make solar panels designed for charging your cell phone. But they're a lot bigger than your phone, so they're less portable. On the bright side, their charge rates are a lot more reasonable.

      Fingerprint scanners: Aren't on phones because they're expensive and useless without infrastructure to support them. These will be launched as separate devices before they will get integrated into phones.
      Well, he was talking `pie in the sky' ...

      I do suspect you're right about how it'll happen, and I do suspect that it will happen eventually. Maybe not everybody will have a biometric scanner in their phone, but some people will want it.

      Intuitive dial: Requires GPS to tie it to location, which most phones don't have.
      Again, pie in the sky.

      And don't most new cell phones now have some way of determining their location, if only for E911? Either by getting the towers to tell them where they are approximately, or an actual GPS? (which won't work well inside, but perhaps it remembers it's localtion from when it was outside?)

      Personally, I didn't think most of his `dream' features sounded very important, but then again, I'm pretty happy with my cell phone as-is. A built in GPS or it's equivilent would be nice, however. Actually, I'd be happier if it were a bit more rugged.

    8. Re:Incentives not the same.... by jsebrech · · Score: 1

      Oh, bull. Li-ion/lipoly will handle that sort of charge just fine. So will NiCd and NiMH and lead-acid batteries, for that matter.

      As I understood li-ion it was sensitive to charge/discharge cycles. In practice, you will not be laying your phone out for 4 days straight in sunlight, you'd be charging it a half hour here, an hour there, and so on. This would mean constant charge/discharge cycles. I confess my knowledge about how li-ion works is not that in-depth, but I understood it as not supporting such a charging behavior without rapid deterioration.

    9. Re:Incentives not the same.... by dougmc · · Score: 1
      Actually, li-ion/lipoly prefers not to be fully charged and dishcarged. Charging it more often but by a smaller amount each time would probably give you slightly longer life.

      But in practice a small solar cell on your phone would be next to useless, unless you make it a point to leave your phone in the sun whenever possible, in which case the solar cell might be just enough to keep the phone from requring any time being plugged in. But you'd have to leave it in direct sunlight for many hours each day, and not spend much time talking on it. Perhaps if the entire back of the phone was covered in solar cells it would work better, but even then it probably wouldn't get past the `gimick' stage for most users.

  45. Call recording by Nick+Driver · · Score: 1

    Add to that list, the ability to record your calls to a removable 2GB flash memory card. When this becomes ubiquitous then all those customer service reps and salespeople you speak with over cell phones might stop being such pathological liars when speaking to you over the phone becuae you can then play their own words right back to them.

    (and recording your own phone calls is perfectly legal in most states, it certainly is in mine)

    A few phone makes/models are starting to be made that do this, but for some reason all the US national carriers are refusing to offer such phones unless they can cripple the hell out of the advanced features.

    1. Re:Call recording by jsebrech · · Score: 1

      Add to that list, the ability to record your calls to a removable 2GB flash memory card. When this becomes ubiquitous then all those customer service reps and salespeople you speak with over cell phones might stop being such pathological liars when speaking to you over the phone becuae you can then play their own words right back to them.

      The treo will do this, with the $20 CallRec program. The windows mobile based phones can generally do this as well, some even have the software built-in. I've even seen apps (on windows mobile) to replay these recorded conversations to the person you're calling to, so you can prove to them over the phone what SOB's they are.

    2. Re:Call recording by soft_guy · · Score: 2, Funny

      ou can prove to them over the phone what SOB's they are

      You don't need to use this when you call me, though. I already know I am an SOB.

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    3. Re:Call recording by nmos · · Score: 1

      My last few Motorolas (and I suspect most other brands) have had a dedicated "record" button. It's pretty useless though because.

      1. It takes forever to kick in and actually start recording.
      2. The beep that it generates (to inform the other party their being recorded?) causes most voice response systems to think I've pushed a button and drops or otherwise screws up the call.

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  46. Punish your kid with extreme embarrassment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sending your kid to school carrying one of those things is one of the most insulting things you can do to him. The other kids will take it away from him and make fun of him for carrying a "baby phone". You might as well dress him in a pink "OMG PONIES!!!" t-shirt and make him ride a tricycle to school.

  47. Not So Secret by general+scruff · · Score: 0

    GoldVish just began selling a phone for $1.26 million that features diamonds and a secret compartment.

    So that compartment must be where Paris keeps her morning after pill.

    Other than that, what use does it have? If you keep anything important in it, you're insane! They will most likely not sell more than 100 of these, and everyone and their grandmother will know what they look like, and exactly where the compartment is!

    Even if someone doesn't know about the compartment, what good will it do you when the first time you get a call, some pick-pocket swipes it.

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  48. A Quantum Leap for Cell Phones, says the article.. by seamus_waldron · · Score: 1

    ..but isn't a Quantum one of the smallest measurements possible?

    Therefore, the article reads; "The Smallest Leap for Cell Phones", which just about sums it up for me ;-)

  49. The Ultimate Buttonless phone by ZombieSquirrel · · Score: 4, Funny

    Here's my idea. Instead of buttons they could have a small plastic wheel with holes along the circumference that represent the numbers 0-9. You stick your finger in the desired number hole and spin the wheel to a starting point. Release the wheel and it spins a back to it original position, inputing that number. No more buttons! Just one plastic wheel with finger holes in it. To hell with having to "button" all these phone numbers. I want to "wheel" all my phone numbers. I wonder if I should patent this?

  50. "quantum" leap means "substantially different" by KWTm · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The article is called "A Quantum Leap for Cell Phones".

    It puzzles me that people use a "quantum leap" as a term for a large jump, when in reality it is the smallest jump possible.

    I think the idea is that it is the smallest jump possible that makes it different; in other words, there is a substantial change. I guess you can add as small an amount of energy to a radiating body as you want, but if you don't add a quantum of energy, it's not going to produce a photon.

    But you're right, too many people seem to take it to mean a large leap rather than a leap that ratchets up to the next notch.
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  51. ObDisco Stu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    But by May of this year, the cycle had shortened to 17.6 months

    "If these trends continue, eyhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!"

  52. Re:Buttons are needed ... by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

    Pah.

    The starship Enterprise had that technology 40 years ago.

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  53. Totally OT by zlogic · · Score: 1

    Not only you advise to use a phone released 2 years ago, but you link to a search engine that virtually died in the early-2000s!
    (I hope I didn't insult anyone :-)

    1. Re:Totally OT by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      If it does everything that the GP wanted, what does it matter if the phone was released 2 years ago?

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    2. Re:Totally OT by zlogic · · Score: 1

      I know. I myself use a SonyEricsson T610 that I bought 2 years ago with ROM that was released in 2003. And I really don't see any reason to upgrade in the next two years.

  54. Oldies but Goodies by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

    There's some fair points to be raised, though.

    1. The actual function of the phone call is still shit poor. I live in a HUGE metropolitan area, and there's still random and inexplicable dead zones. If they can't deliver an audio stream, how are they going to deliver a video stream?

    2. More features means more to break. There's a car analogy lurking about. They either have to stream the video, which I'll believe when I see, or it needs to be stored locally, and now I need either a iPod-style hard drive, or gobs of Flash RAM. There's more than raw processing power required- each feature can add significant ancillary hardware requirements.

    3. Lots of workplaces simply ban pnones with cameras or any sort of recording ability, so it becomes a moot issue anyway.

    The only features you list I can see as practical are email (or text messaging), and the calendar/notes (PDA-level functions).

    I have a basic Motorola no-frills phone built to MIL-SPEC standards. It may not take pictures and has a pedestrian ring sound, but I can bounce it off a concrete wall and it still works fine.

    1. Re:Oldies but Goodies by nasch · · Score: 1
      1. The actual function of the phone call is still shit poor. I live in a HUGE metropolitan area, and there's still random and inexplicable dead zones. If they can't deliver an audio stream, how are they going to deliver a video stream?
      What does that have to do with the phone? I live in a suburban area, and I can think of one place where I have problems. One. Work, home, roads, the windowless bathroom in the middle of my brick church, no problem. The fact that you get bad coverage does not mean phone manufacturers should stop putting MP3 players in phones.

      2. More features means more to break.
      But who cares if the feature that you don't use anyway breaks? I've never seen anybody present evidence that more features leads to less reliability in the phone function. I have a smartphone, and it's at least as reliable as the phones of other people I know.

      There's more than raw processing power required- each feature can add significant ancillary hardware requirements.
      Then don't use them. They aren't doing you any harm by sitting there on your phone.

      3. Lots of workplaces simply ban pnones with cameras or any sort of recording ability, so it becomes a moot issue anyway.
      Definitely an issue. Doesn't affect me, but I know that there are some phones with a yes-camera and no-camera version for just such users. There should probably be more, though.

      The only features you list I can see as practical are email (or text messaging), and the calendar/notes (PDA-level functions).
      Fine. But there are lots of features that OTHER people find practical. For example, I don't care about email (or at least not enough to pay for a data plan), but I do use spreadsheets on my phone.

      I have a basic Motorola no-frills phone built to MIL-SPEC standards. It may not take pictures and has a pedestrian ring sound, but I can bounce it off a concrete wall and it still works fine.
      That's so stupid, I have no need at all to bounce my phone off a concrete wall. Why would anybody ever make a phone like that? OK, end parody.
    2. Re:Oldies but Goodies by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      The point is that some of us would like to see the basic service (phone calls) made more reliable before they try to obfuscate the issue with silly frills. Is that such an outlandish request? I'm sorry, but I'm just flat out immune to the "ooo, shiny!" meme.

      And the point of the ruggedness of my phone is that it survives those little "oops" events that send fancier phones to the trash heap.

    3. Re:Oldies but Goodies by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      These are actually very good points. I suspect that the time and effort spent on both hardware and software for functions implemented which are not phone related could/should be spent on better cell handoffs (you know, ones that are user-advantageous instead of trnasmitter-owner-advantageous). Same with ruggedness. Whomever designed the power interface (hell, the data interface, too) on Motorola phones should be eviscerated in public for such a bad connector design.

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    4. Re:Oldies but Goodies by nasch · · Score: 1

      It's all profit motive. If the company can hire more or better hardware engineers to make the calls on their phones 10% better, or they can spend the same money to hire software engineers to give their phones 250% more features (pulling numbers from rear end), which would attract more customers to their phones and thus be a more profitable move? I can't imagine it's the former. So basically what it comes down to is, it sucks to want something from a product that's out of synch with what most of the market wants. This is true of movies, cars, food, clothes, everything.

  55. What I want in a cell phone by EnglishSteve · · Score: 1

    Things I need in a phone:

    Durable - it needs to be able to withstand small nuclear explosions and/or an Irish Wedding. My cellphone is my ONLY phone, for both business and personal calls
    Bluetooth - When I'm working and am using both hands to type etc, I need to be able to use a wireless BT earpiece
    Internal Antenna - Don't want that antenna catching on my pocket when I'm trying to answer a call
    Quad-band GSM - I need to be able to use my phone world-wide, so no crippled, USA only CDMA crap, please

    Things I like in a phone:

    Flip-phone style, with external display
    Smallish size, but this is no biggie

    Things I don't need/Hate:

    Camera
    Music
    Games
    Internet
    Goofy colors (yes, that includes fake-metal silver paint that wears off after 10 minutes)
    Goofy keypad styles

    It seems that there are a decreasing number of phones that fit the bill for me... most of the new phones coming out seem to be focusing on goofy features rather than making a better, more durable phone. I understand why the manufacturers do this, but I wish they would put out more basic phones - although a lot of the basic phones that are out now omit the Bluetooth :/

  56. A better idea.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seperate the phones from the company that provides the phone service and you will see an increase in options, functionality, price, and service quality at a rate that far exceeds anything ever seen including what the breakup of AT&T brought to the home phone industry.

    carrier specific phones + long contracts = bend over one more time please
    Don't like what your getting? Switch to another company and repeat that process.

    Oh, your 6 month old phone does not work? Well it looks like it got wet so no warranty coverage for you, bend over again! Oh, you want 600 minutes? No problem, lets start that contract over for two more years and re add the same exact SMS messaging package you had before, but this time it is $15 for 100 messages and not $10. Okay, sign here and bend over again.

  57. Cheap? by Hap76 · · Score: 0

    Maybe they think they can make phones without buttons more cheaply than phones with buttons? The technology wouldn't be useful to users, but the manufacturers/cell phone companies could make more money on their phones?

    I don't care about the phones (other than that they work) - I would prefer electronic replacements for my magazines/journals where they would actually be physically readable, and I'm hoping that anything that makes the components for them cheaper or easier to make will accelerate their generation, but that's selfish and OT.

  58. Phones For Older People by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Speaking of niche markets, I've been looking for a cell phone for my parents (in their 70s). They need a phone with large buttons, clear well-lit screen with a large font, and a loud ringer. I'm surprised none of the standard phones you get with major US plans have these features. Don't people with arthritis, bad vision, and/or bad hearing deserve cell phones too?!

  59. Earth: Final Conflict's "Global" Communicator by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1
    Earth Final Conflict Global
    Exactly what I was thinking when reading:
    An electronic ink screen prototype, developed by Koninklijke Philips Electronics and startup E-Ink, is thin and flexible like paper so it can be worn wrapped around a cell phone. Users can unwrap it to view a map on a larger screen. Eventually, the display could be used to watch video.
    And make the portable video phone a reality where camera phones have feared to tread.
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  60. don't be quick to pass judgement by marleyboy · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I currently carry two cell phones (one is work, one is personal), often an iPod. I have my gmail setup to notify me on my cell via text messaging if I receive email from close friends and family. I can check my email with Opera, or even with POP3. As well, I like to blog. I like to snap pictures of the odd thing that I might not see everyday, but I don't want to carry a big camera around. I'm a gamer too.

    Enter the Nokia 6682, a cell phone that is a year old and only recently was introduced in North America. (Can't wait for the N80! WOO!) This is my personal cell, and if my work let me forward the work cell phone, I would take all calls on my personal phone. Functionality with Outlook is seamless with Nokia's software.

    Bluetooth lets my phone talk to my laptop with no cables. It automatically syncs my tasks and dates, and has a POP3 client. It automatically uploads new pictures and vidoe taken. It runs the S60 platform so I can install anything, from push email technology that mimics Blackberry to emulators. I have NES, SNES and Gameboy emulators installed, as well as Wolfenstein 3D (Doom for S60 is available, but requires 4MB of RAM, 6682 has 2MB for RAM, 10MB of local memory and replacable 64MB MMCmobile chip). It will soon have a 2GB stick in it, effectively replacing my iPod. I keep my pictures of family and friends in it. The camera is 1.3MP, and pictures are good enough to post on a blog. Nokia has released LifeBlog that lets me post directly to my blog (livejournal) with zero effort. Moblogging is second nature to this thing. I've got news for you; this thing picks up teenage girls by itself. The fucked up part is that no one is marketing it with the functionality actually explored. Maybe if the wireless providers marketed wireless bluetooth headphones with the phone as a full iPod replacement, there might be more interest.

    If you're used to a brick or flip phone that just takes calls, sure, all you're going to want is a replacement. Wait until you've really played with a convergence device before you pass judgement on something you don't understand.

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    1. Re:don't be quick to pass judgement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi, Mr. Nokia! Nice to see you astroturfing away. If I can't understand a cell phone - it doesn't need to be in my pocket. Buh bye.

  61. Re:A Quantum Leap for Cell Phones, says the articl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quantum Leap: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dict.asp?Word=qua ntum+leap

    Quantum: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/quantum

    In short, "Quantum Leap" is meant to mean a large advance. It's a completely separate term than Quantum alone. Like "Alaska" and "Baked Alaska". Sort of.

  62. mr pedantic by krell · · Score: 1

    OK, mr pedantic. "Entering touch-tone phone number sequences". Got it?

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    1. Re:mr pedantic by soft_guy · · Score: 1

      No. That's not what I meant. I meant you are supposed to have all the numbers entered into your computer, sync them to your phone with blue tooth, and pick them from a list. Actual pushing the buttons of the phone number on the actual phone itself should be a very rare operation.

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    2. Re:mr pedantic by krell · · Score: 1

      Just "dialing" the number is a lot quicker. It should be a common and easy operation.

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    3. Re:mr pedantic by soft_guy · · Score: 1

      No it is not quicker. It is the same as being in a cave scratching at the wall with a fucking bone.

      The whole concept of telephone numbers is pretty antiquated anyway. It is far easier, faster, and less mistake prone to pick someone from a list.

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  63. PrePay by maillemaker · · Score: 1

    I checked into Pre-Pay when I dumped the cell phones. I looked at TracPhone (or however you spell it).

    The scam going on with pre-pay is that your minutes expire whether you use them or not. I ran the numbers with TracPhone and it came out about $30/month - might as well get a normal subscription plan.

    Now if I could buy $100 worth of minutes and they were good /forever/, I would consider it. But as long as minutes expire I'm not interested.

    Steve

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  64. From the second slide of the slideshow: by Lispy · · Score: 1

    Pushing on one of the precious stones unlocks a secret compartment that can be used for carrying medicine or jewels"

    english translation:
    Drugs.

  65. PrePay by maillemaker · · Score: 1

    I looked into Pre-Pay, with TracPhone, but it was a rip-off. The minutes expire whether you use them or not. In the end, it would cost you about $30/month to have an equivalent of what I was paying $40/month for with a "regular" plan. Not a deal.

    I would only be interested in Pre-Pay if my minutes never expired.

    Steve

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  66. Bluetooth basics by bussdriver · · Score: 1

    Use bluetooth for communications between devices! What ever happend to the 'personal' networks hype?

    The phone acts like a modem and contact directory-- whole process allows the phone to sit in your pocket untouched.

    Camera lets you choose contacts to sent to. Camera fetches photos/video sent to you. Camera can save photos to remote storage over the internet using the phone.
    Camera could save to a --

    Bluetooth iPod: A disk & media player
    Phone ring bypassed when iPod is nearbye--iPod plays song. Phone could use iPod for storage. iPod could fetch media sent to phone. Uses contacts from the phone, could backup.
    Phone's voice recognition could operate iPod. iPod Music Store uses modem. iPod could do online maps, using phone's GPS or a bluetooth gps.

    bluetooth GPS: provides GPS info to any bluetooth device. places, cars, phones, other people's devices nearbye... Alternatives to GPS would also work. Static location broadcast from a desktop?

    Separate devices + standard communications = many combinations not possible with monolithic device.
    Add in a snap-on system and some devices could be used as one like an iPod phone or a Camera Phone.

  67. Already available by Apreche · · Score: 1

    Tomorrows cellphones are already available in Korea. Someday I hope to use them, but the outlook is grim. Why oh why does the US only offer yesterday's phones?

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  68. What I really want-cheap sex. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Verizon sucks $150 a month out of me instead of $70. You get the idea."

    Sounds like the difference between a hooker and a wife. Get a divorce.

  69. water resistant by bussdriver · · Score: 1

    A Phone that survives the rain, a moment in a puddle or coffie mug.

    Surviving a 1m fall onto pavement would be nice too.

    1. Re:water resistant by Tim+Doran · · Score: 1

      "Puddle" is a euphamism for "toilet", right?

      Or am I the only one who knows a girl who went through more than one cellphone that way?

    2. Re:water resistant by Rosonowski · · Score: 1

      My Samsung a840 seems to do that pretty well. I got caught in the rain while out on my bicycle, and ended up wiping out and splitting my head open after sliding a couple meters face first into an SUV. The phone took a couple scratches and I then used it to call someone to take me to the hospital, after putting the battery back in.

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  70. How about a USB connection to the memory stick by supradave · · Score: 1

    It certainly would be nice if I could use my phone as a memory stick. Engineer a USB connector on to the back and allow me to put a memory card of some sort of the memory size I choose. Better than carrying a stick and a phone and chances of separation are slimmer.

    I guess answering it plugged to the back of the server in the server room would be somewhat difficult though.

  71. Answer the phone. by Talinom · · Score: 1

    According to the article's slideshow "It also recognizes body parts. Lift it to your cheek to answer a call."

    Um, I really don't want to use someone else's phone if I know they have dialed porn on it.

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  72. Are they at Cingular? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it's the Cingular "phones of tomorrow", they'll be exactly like the phones of today, yesterday, last week, last month and last year, plus a new color for the good ol' RAZR v3 (if Verizon has rolled out a new major service/speed update or ground-breaking phone by then, that is).

  73. Re: dropped calls by RenderSeven · · Score: 5, Informative
    Well, yes. Also note that towers may not be owned by the service provider, so the tower operator gets paid per connect minute. Calls generally should hand off to the next adjacent tower when traveling, but since the adjacent tower may not be owned by the same entity the software is 'tweaked' again to keep the call no matter what or however bad the signal may get, to maximize the billing to the carrier by the tower operator. This is why, the second your call is dropped, you look at your phone and have five bars of signal.

    The software and business arrangements in the industry are fundamentally broken. The technology is pretty good, and the companies involved manage to screw it up through concerted effort.

  74. WIFI, GPRS, QWERTY, decent screen? by BlackShirt · · Score: 1

    any mobile phone in 100$ range that has ...
    WIFI, GPRS, QWERTY, decent screen?

    Not so futuristic but not available.
    Gosh

  75. Review of the review by PFI_Optix · · Score: 1

    ...it sucked. Let's go through the slideshow, shall we? #1: Intro that indicates that the cell phone designs of today are on the way out. Why? They're functional and easy to carry. Yay for sensationalism. #2: Yes, a diamond-encrusted phone is the way of the future. With a "secret" compartment that seems rather obvious to anyone who isn't writing a review of the phone. #3: The Onyx. While it's an interesting idea and certainly has its uses--answering just by placing the phone at your ear, for example--I just can't see trying to dial a number with "gestures". Number pads are in such heavy use today because they're easy, cheap, and intuitive. #4: Rotary phone. I guess this makes sense if you don't have a land line but want a dedicated home phone. But...umm...how do you check your voicemail? #5: A big fat ugly wristwatch, a variation on a clamshell phone that just looks akward to hold, and an alarm clock. Yeah, that's where things are going. #6: The Samsung Ultra Edition: I guess the "old-fasioned" cell phone isn't dead. Please ignore the opening lines of this slide show. #7: It sounds similar to something that's been done before, but looks a lot cooler. One thing I can't figure out: in the picture, I can't see where it actually turns into a phone that would be easy to hold or carry compactly. Maybe that's why they say "If it ever gets out of the design stage..." #8: Philips' Readius. Now this is cool. Electronic paper, movie-watching, all the things a phone of the future should be. We could have skipped the other 6 phones and still seen just as much.

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  76. Why Still a "Cell Phone"? by sasserstyl · · Score: 1

    I'd like to know why the focus remains on creating "cell phones". In Britain the cell phones work as advertised (i.e. few dropped calls, decent sound quality) and there is excellent coverage of most of the country. Incorporating a cell phone should now be a *feature* rather than the defining characteristic of the device. What we are seeing is a convergence of the PDA with the cellphone to create an internet-connected mobile computing device. IMHO, fast mobile internet connectivity, coupled with a *decent screen* and *device programmability* is where the *real* power comes in.

  77. three in one by bumby · · Score: 1

    I carry around: One cell phone, one mp3-player and from time to time one camera. And then I'm still missing a PDA.
    All of these could be integrated into one device, and that's exactly what is happening. I don't see why people
    are all upset and "I just want it to make calls". I bet most slashdotters carry around at least three different devices.

    Besides, the more stuff they crank into one device, the cheaper the basic-version will get.

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    1. Re:three in one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll be happy when everything converges into one smallish device, sure. But lets hold off on that until the basic function "phone" is mastered, mm'k? I try to use mine as little as possible because, all else aside, it has lousy sound and reception compared to a landline. That's true of every cell phone I've ever owned, so I don't think it's the model or anything. And the middle of NJ isn't exactly a wasteland, so it's not lack of service either.

  78. you must be mr sarcasm now. by krell · · Score: 1

    Yeah right. I see an ad flyer with a pizza delivery phone number on it. I then go boot up the old laptop...wait a while and get into the phone configuration program. Then I add the pizza place number. Then I sync with the phone. Now, finally, I use the horrid user interface on the phone to dig out the phone number I've saved as # 716, and call and order a pizza. You are right. This IS a lot easier than just dialing the damn number!

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    1. Re:you must be mr sarcasm now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well that does seem like a bad way to do things when you put it like that.

      Fortunately, on my phone (treo 650), entering numbers is easy, and once it is entered I just have to type the first couple of letters for the name of the person and it quickly narrows down the list.

      So, I enter "Papa John's Pizza" as the name for the pizza place. Then, when I want to dial it, I type in "pap" and that will narrow the list down to just "Papa John's Pizza". Alternatively, I can type "piz" and get "Papa John's Pizza", "Domino's Pizza", "Pizza Hut", etc etc and I can pick which place I want with the d-pad.

      Sure I had to type in all that stuff, but (with a qwerty keyboard right there on the phone) it wasn't hard, and it only had to be done once. You, however, need to have said flier in hand... or maybe you have a photographic memory or just a knack for numbers. Me, I can barely remember my own phone number, so my treo's contact list is real handy.

      I also like how a photo of the person who is calling shows up when my phone rings. Though I guess that is one of those "extra" features that just doesn't turn your crank. Me, I love extra features, which is why I have a PDA for a phone I guess. Thank goodness for cargo pants though 'cause the thing is pretty big...

    2. Re:you must be mr sarcasm now. by soft_guy · · Score: 1

      If that is a serious problem for you then you are eating too much pizza, fatass.

      Most of the people I need to phone are relatives, coworkers, or people I regularly do business with (my attorney, etc.). It is much easier to pick their numbers from a list. The interface involves maybe two clicks.

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  79. Treo by Nick+Driver · · Score: 1

    The Treo is not really a phone... It's a PDA with a phone built in as one of it's various features. Too big, too bulky, too expensive. I've used a Treo 650 and a 700w for business trips, nice PDAs but way more than I like to carry around on a regular basis.

    1. Re:Treo by jsebrech · · Score: 1

      Then go for the windows mobile smartphones. They're more or less normal phones, except that they have a somewhat bigger screen and a lot more horsepower. There's a free app called pmrecorder that archives all your phonecalls to an external storage card.

  80. obviously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    cell phones suck because (not scared) you're not typematically dissing anything worse forever for not being cell phones. ROFL.

  81. GPS Phones by SonicSpike · · Score: 1

    I would like to see GPS integrated into the phones. This would be handy for integrating it with Google for maps and getting directions from your current position.

    With GPS coordinates combined with a camera (and maybe a compass), metadata could be added to pictures that would not only allow an accurate time stamp, but also show exactly where the photo was taken and maybe even which direction it was facing.

    Think of the possibilities...

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  82. WANTED by lindseyp · · Score: 1

    A device not much bigger than an iPod.
    With a screen covering the whole front face.And a slide or pop-out keyboard that's JUST big enough to type on.
    With a touch-screen that can be activated/deactivated and tactile depressable areas where 'normal' buttons would usually be.
    An always-on internet connection that's quick enough for you to 'google' something in the middle of a conversation without the other party punching you in frustration or walking away. a-la i-mode, but FASTER than current CDMA. At least Wifi speeds.
    And Bluetooth, And Wifi, and USB2.0
    And a scroll-wheel.
    With a multi-megapixel camera that can take video or still
    With a microphone to record voice,
    With a headphone jack.
    And a fingerprint scanner.
    With a responsive OS designed by Apple, or at least something good enough you'd think it was.
    -- that has an open API so that 4rd party developers find it a joy to program for.
    With 100gB storage space.
    Battery that lasts at least 2 days with moderate use.
    The rest is all software.
    Features? I want them *all*. I'm sick of this trend towards having to PAY for 3rd party software for simple features that were once standard on all phones. voice recorder, calculator, decent image browser etc etc. FINE I don't mind paying for specialist software but a decent PDA shouldn't NEED extra software for things which everyone is expected to do on a daily basis.

    It's not "bloat" if it obviates the need for a 2nd or 3rd device. In my case that means a camera and a PDA. I currently use a Motorola M1000 (japanese version of the A1000) and it's *almost* there. It's just clunky (bad software), proprietary(transflash, no headphone socket or USB) and SLOW. It has WiFi, but hotspots are so few and far between, and the software makes it painful to connect to them, it's as good as useless.

    Most of the things I said above are available on today's phones (or PDAs or iPods). Many phones today have multi-megapixel cameras, Here in Japan you can get one with a fingerprint scanner (not perfect security, but good enough). I have yet to find a device that has them all.

    Come on technology. Come on Apple. I have $500+ in my pocket just waiting for this thing and I want it NOW.

    Oh and I'm no 'teenage punk', just a 34 year old geek who hates carrying too much stuff, and hates being off the 'net when outside.

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    1. Re:WANTED by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even i want such a device but i m afraid we both will have to wait for few more years.

      http://www.keepbuy.net/plugins/cart/index.php

  83. HP Buttons are "in"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The HP calculators gave you the advantage of buttons with the programmability of a touchscreen. They were called soft menus.*

    *The only other way which no one's tried is the buttons having built in displays (E-Ink would be perfect here). The only disadvantage is the touch sensitive would lose the advantage of physical character shapes. Now you all see why UI design is hard.

  84. Wave Buttons are "in"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmmm. I wonder if a variation on this technology could bring touch to displays?

  85. Another untapped market by jonwil · · Score: 1

    People who want a cell phone but cant take cameras into places they work (lawyers who cant take cameras into courtrooms for example or engineers and such who cant take cell phones into secure locations).
    Basicly, take a Motorola V3 (or Motorola L7 for those who want a candybar style phone) and then remove all the cameras. Remove the MP3 player and MP3 ringtone feature. Remove all the transflash and memory card slots (without cameras and multimedia features, there is no need for that much storage if you put enough into the phone itself). Add in a better contact manager, calender, alarms (the sort of features Outlook has in its calendering module), scheduler etc. Stuff so that these lawyers, business people, professionals etc can keep track of their work, lives etc. Even better would be if you could make it easy to keep the calender on the phone and a calender on a PC syncronised (e.g. via bluetooth or via USB).

    1. Re:Another untapped market by Edisaloser · · Score: 1

      You mean a Blackberry...

    2. Re:Another untapped market by jonwil · · Score: 1

      No, this wouldnt be a PDA or smartphone, something smaller and lighter and less featured. The sort of places that ban camera phones and such would also probobly restrict or ban PDAs and smartphones and such (including blackberries) I would expect.

    3. Re:Another untapped market by bunions · · Score: 1

      > The sort of places that ban camera phones and such would also probobly restrict or ban PDAs and smartphones and such (including blackberries) I would expect.

      You expect wrong. Sites that ban cameras ban them because they don't want people taking pictures of their stuff. Why would they ban a PDA? Because they don't want someone looking at their addressbook?

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  86. Modern phone by Svante.1 · · Score: 0

    I just whant one button and then place the phone on my shirt:

    By pressing the button stating who you would like to call and then you can talk.

    Picard presses the button. - Enginering! Fix the fasers! NOW! or we are tosted.

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  87. This seems so easy by dafing · · Score: 1

    Maybe you know this already, but from that description, you really just describe the Motorola V3 RAZR so well! Its small, internal aerial, easy to use, and 100m range bluetooth, it actually is metal, and its cheap! I wish someone could answer my problems this easily!

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    1. Re:This seems so easy by EnglishSteve · · Score: 1

      Almost. The RAZR has a camera, which means I can't take it into some of the jobsites I work at, where camera-phones are prohibited.

      Also, from friends I know that have the RAZR, it's not very durable - the hinges get sloppy very quickly. It also fails the "goofy keypad" test.

    2. Re:This seems so easy by dafing · · Score: 1
      couldnt you permamently cover the camera lens to show people it doesnt work? a strong adhesive over it etc?

      Ive had mine for over a couple years now of daily use and its just fine. The keypad is great, maybe not for texting but i wouldnt want any other!

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  88. Intelligent clothing by Sh4dowM4ge · · Score: 1

    I want a cell phone that:
    * I do not need to carry around
    * I cannot forget to take with me

    What about a sticker phone, or built into clothing.
    or in your access/identification badge at work that is hanging around your neck anyway.

    I pay 10 for a plain T-shirt, 20 if there was a fashion guy who 'designed' a print. Probaly made for less then 0.5 by child labour in Asia. How much for a cheap cell phone these days?
    And for these 20, I still get wet and cold in the rain.

    I'll happily spend 100 on this shirt, if it fits, keeps me warm and dry, and includes some conductive interwoven fabric for connecting your central unit containing your personal 'SIM card'/ID card/credit card and settings.
    I will combine this with a 'small' wrist unit for functionality when on the road:
    * reading the time, having an alarm
    * storing some MB's
    * dialing a number
    * reading my heart rate when sporting
    * communicating to more performant unit at home (PC)

    Intelligent clothing is what i would like to see, and current cell phone functionality can all be included. People could even have the fictional e-Ink displays on the front or back of their shirts.

  89. The "fashion cycle" by dledeaux · · Score: 1

    The article states that cell phones have a turnover rate of 17.6 months and that cell phone manufactures are looking more to the fashion world for ideas. I think if they were to provide a consistent method of transfering addresses, pictures, games, etc from one phone to another that it would shrink that window even further. I personally dread getting new phones because I have to spend hours transfering and setting up my numbers, and I leave my old pictures behind. Ringtones are getting a little better now that more phones are supporting MP3s, but proprietary ringtones are lost.

    People put an emotional and financial investment into their phones long after they purchase them, and until that sentiment can be transfered, I don't see the window shrinking much.

    1. Re:The "fashion cycle" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SIM cards make transferring phone numbers relatively easy, but you lose all of the metadata associated with them (not to mention having no access to any archives of SMS or email via SIM). This, of course, presumes that you're using a GSM phone.

      If you're already using a PDA phone/smartphone, then it's even easier. Sync to Outlook or some other PIM solution, then sync Outlook with your new device. Presto change-o!

  90. two clicks by krell · · Score: 1

    "It is much easier to pick their numbers from a list. The interface involves maybe two clicks"

    That's it? Just two clicks? Or is there some waiting and looking at a screen involved?

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  91. The problem with Firefly Mobile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Best cellphone carrier ever, but I keep expecting them to cancel my calls halfway through...