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Vista RC1 Build 5728 Publicly Released
ClausValca writes "Doing some late-night surfing last night and came across a post over at Cybernet News: Limited Time Only: Vista 5728 Available To The Public. Although apparently intended for the TAP and Technical Beta Testers....it is available for download to the public via this Microsoft public download page for Vista 5728. There is a link on that page as well for direct download of the latest 64-bit flavor of that version as well. An Ars Technica post also has some background info on the new release. Techweb is reporting that Microsoft is specifically asking for feedback on this release, so make sure and let them know what you think."
Wasn't there a time when "RC" literally meant release canadidate as in if this works we're burning this exact image on the retail CDs? Nowadays release candidates are really betas, and betas -- which are supposed to be feature complete, almost 100% apps that are only being tested for technical faults, are really alphas, with endless new feature additions and changes.
How long are people allowed to use this version? Will it up and die after a lockout one day?
For the lazy ones like me http://download.windowsvista.com/preview/rc1/en/x6 4/iso/vista_5728.16387.060917-1430_x64fre_client-L RMCxFRE_EN_DVD.iso
Never learn by your mistakes, if you do you may never dare to try again
This build is not RC1, it's part of the RTM tree. They're currently up to 5731, and this build is about a week old.
http://download.windowsvista.com/preview/rc1/en/x8 6/iso/vista_5728.16387.060917-1430_x86fre_client-l rmcfre_en_dvd.iso
e _en_dvd.iso
X86 version.
File size: 2622MB
Type: 32-bit
Name: vista_5728.16387.060917-1430_x86fre_client-lrmcfr
Build Number: 5728.16387
Note: Your Beta 2/RC1 product keys will still be valid for this version.
************** From TFA *************
Wincopy
Techweb is reporting that Microsoft is specifically asking for feedback on this release, so make sure and let them know what you think.
Probably a bit too late to ask for POSIX interoperability, eh?
Does one needs to buy a Product Key for testing this release candidate?
Creativity uninhibited www.kreeti.com
Over here: http://ctrinity.wordpress.com/2006/09/14/how-to-ge t-your-vista-rc1-product-key/
Are Microsoft still nuking everything in their path, or do they play nice with the MBR now?
I think we're beyond blaming incompetence if they don't play nice...
Belief is the currency of delusion.
I think I don't need it. I would have to buy new computers to use it and I don't see any benefit to justify the expense. In past, I've upgraded when there was some benefit to be gained. For instance, I went to Windows (3.1) in the first place so I could run CorelDraw. I could do stuff that previously had been available only to Mac users. The choice was clear cut and I was delighted to switch.
Microsoft alienated me with the first commercial release of XP. You couldn't change anything about your computer without calling them for a new authorization number. There were also the rumors that XP was 'calling home' with information about what was on your hard drive. I vowed that XP would never enter my house and never sully my work computer. I switched to Linux. It does everything I need done. Why would I switch.
My wife's computer runs Win98. If it weren't for OpenOffice, she would have to switch to be able to read files that her customers send her. As it is, OpenOffice reads all those files just fine, so she doesn't have to switch either.
Microsoft is going to have trouble selling Vista. They are also having legal trouble in Europe. Their response is to say that the economy will be boosted if everyone switches to Vista. http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1000097 They're nothing if not creative. But no thanks anyway Bill.
I wish they wrote A ChangeLog.txt like most of the people in the biz.
Has anybody been able to get this to install in VMware yet? (I have tried a few of the previous builds, but alas it wouldn't boot in VMWare.)
"The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." ~Plato (427-347 BC)
And just so everyone is clear, 'Replace this steaming pile with Ubuntu" is probably *not* the kind of feedback Microsoft is looking for ;)
Wincopy
Good god man,
If you give up that quickly on Windows, an OS that often takes the approach of insulating users from functionality through a very fine-tuned UI aimed for maximum user friendliness, then I hate to think what must have happened when you tried an OS that takes a "more power to the user" ideology, like say, "Linux"?
Step 1: Install Linux
Step 2: Try to compile something
Step 3: It breaks, throw-away Linux in absolute disgust
Step 4: Return to pre-configured Microsoft Bob, where it's safe.
To further add to the absurdity of the previous post, the code you are using is _NOT_ finished. I'm not defending Windows, just preaching common sense. It's quite possible it could have been a bug specific to the users setup.
It's uninformative, ridiculous comments like the former that harm Slashdot, offering a stereotypical Windows bashing with no real merit, contributing nothing.
what I think about it?
As the island of our knowledge grows, so does the shore of our ignorance.
Very bad UI optimized for newbies, with non-meaningful error messages and options hidden in Advanced -> Advanced -> Advanced.
I have Linux installed on my second HDD and it works well. /etc.
When some stupid wizard doesn't work, I can edit the configuration files in
In Linux (Fedora Core 5) my PPPoE connection works, in Vista it doesn't.
It's a Release Candidate, which should be 99.9% finished. Not being able to connect to the internet is a major bug.
that you think is perfectly fine? OK by me..
dis microsoft windows, you have a problem with
dis chief architecht, you don't mention at all?
every day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random
Not troll, PPPoE in Vista really doesn't work and I won't use an operating system which can't connect to the internet.
Vista RC1 b5728
Has anyone tried downloading by the bittorrent yet?
I just pooped your party.
It's a Release Candidate, which should be 99.9% finished. Not being able to connect to the internet is a major bug.
In his drivers or in the OS?
Beware: In C++, your friends can see your privates!
One thing that is keeping me from letting Vista any where near my computer is the fear of excess DRM and lack of OpenGL support. Can anyone, who has used the new system, tell me how founded those fears are? Is the DRM in enough quantitities to cause issue and are you able to run any programs that run OpenGL? I am only interested in reports from people who have tried, not from a friend of a friend of a reporter of some company.
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
"MS havnt really innovated in gui design since windows 95." Which is probably a good thing. If they changed the GUI design every iteration of windows, you'd have a world full of really, really confused users. A Windows 95 user can use XP and vice versa. Having not used Vista myself, I can't comment on this; however, GUI design isn't the only thing that goes into a revision of an OS. XP was a giant step up from any of the other consumer versions of Windows (W2k is not consumer), and it had nothing to do with their GUI graphical overhaul.
Wise men say, "Forgiveness is divine, but never pay full price for late pizza."
I'm puzzled as to why MS would be offering a RC for public download from a site that is not part of microsoft.com. Surely MS isn't short on server capacity or bandwidth :)
Seriously though, why is this not part of the microsoft.com domain?
Government's idea of a balanced budget: take money from the right pocket to balance...oh who am I kidding?
I know everyone despises Windows, but the obvious bias doesn't look particularly professional for a top tech site.
Even The Big Blue Brother is beginning acknowledge that "professional" is not synonymous with "assimilated into the machine."
Lighten up and wear wider pinstripes.
KFG
Get a Mac
Thank you.
Business isn't willing to pay for products, innovation and careers, so we get brands, mortgage commercials and layoffs.
So can anyone explain why, other than reasons cult members typically use, I should help Microsoft in getting Vista ready?
As a Windows application developer I appreciate frequent and early looks at the OS so I can build and test my code against it. This is far, far better than getting blindsided by upset user calls when Vista hits the street and my apps all break. So I guess the short answer to your question is, self-preservation. Now, if you are not a Windows application developer then I guess I can understand your sentiment. I suppose it's also safe to assume you are not a systems admin with Windows-based boxes, and you don't support users who *might* end up using Vista. If all of these assumptions are true then you can safely ignore the betas - I don't think MS is really interested in your opinion anyhow if that is the case.
The more you regulate a company, the worse its products become.
Don't voice an opinion unless you can back it up in facts. The Linux desktop has improved extensively over the years. I frankly don't see what more could possibly be done to get people to finally admit that Linux is truely ready for the desktop. It has everything I want; OpenOffice, a good non-DRM media player, and a GUI that I can customize in ways Windows can't. WINE cna run a number of Windows programs including World of Warcraft. Yes, I need to keep Windows around for Final Fantasy XI because it still doesn't work right under Linux but that will change as WINE improves.
Michael "TheZorch" Haney
thezorch@gmail.com
http://thezorch.googlepages.com/home
Well, it is more stable and a bit faster than the pre-RC1.
It's still pretty.
Explorer likes to hang when transfering files.
IAC is still annoying, and over done.
If Vista doesn't specifically recognize that you own a file, it's read only. This means you have to either download a file, or have it in your directory. Deleting or moving something on any secondary drives (I have 3 other hard drives) is a serious pain. This means usually manually changing ownership, changing read writes, and then repeating this process a couple of times since it doesn't always save the new settings.
Oh, and google's desktop bar is better than the new-built-in-hard-to-disable M$ desktop bar.
And anyone looking for the nifty 3-d desktop should look elsewhere for something to install on XP. Windows are stacked in slightly more than 2-d space, and you have to click a button to view that. Don't worry, you can use that feature to flip through buttons. What happened to rotating windows with side title bars? Hell, don't ask me. I dunno.
Last, and probably least, the "Ultimate Edition Extras", a new windows update category, doesn't even have a sample download. Ultimate edition just gives you all of those fancy (cough, cough) graphic features I mentioned.
PS: That is what part of the alphabet would look like if the letters "Q" and "R" were removed.
Since when are there programs that don't need to be compiled on Windows but do need to be compiled on Linux?
For your information, my copy of Ubuntu came pre-compiled...
It doesn't recognize the hard drive for Vmware 29996.
Vmware support for Vista is "experimental"
I have been able to run all Vistas up to and including 5600.
When I go to install 57XX I get a prompt to install a disk driver.
Microsoft had to go out of it's way to delete the driver or prevent it from
working with vmware.
Perhaps they want real error reports from bare metal installs.
Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Haven't downloaded anything from MS for years. Now I thought to try the forbidden fruit. And what I get is .......... 0% 883.15 B/s .......... 0% 711.69 B/s .......... 0% 615.87 B/s
0K
50K
100K
on a 8Mbit/s pipe.
Where's the mirror ??
Or is this the cautious handling by my OpenBSD server to which I download ?
But it's a great way to keep Vista worm/virus free :)
Space for rent, inquire within
The installer is on a DVD .iso and weighs in at 2.5GB
Using FireFox MS requires you to allow a Java download utility to maintain the download. Prepair for screen resizings.
Looks like Microsoft is using Akamai for distribution, so it should be fast globaly.
Everything I needed to know about life, I learnt from Blake's Seven
So, I'm half way there downloading Vista's RC1, and a new release gets, um... released?!
Well, no-one is forcing you to test it. If you don't want - you don't do it.
I, for one, am happy to be able to get something that others will get 6 months later and that will, let's face it, change the computer industry. And not just get it... Get it for free too!
Nope - using Firefox v 1.5.0.7. I used Akamai to d/l RC1 though. In my area, the ISP tends to reset routers randomly - so I could still get burned. Up to 52% now.
"Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair" - George Washington
This means, it is a true candidate for release to the world. "If all goes well, ship THIS build".
I seriously doubt Microsoft internally really believes this is a release candidate, and they know it.
Modesty is one of life's greatest attributes
It works with VMWare, but there's a trick to it. As others have noted the ISO for 5728 doesn't play nice with VMWare and can't see where to install to. But RC1 will install. So I did the following: Download RC1 (build 5600), create a virtual machine with about 20 GB of harddrive space (minimum) set the 5600 ISO as the VMWare CD-drive. Install 5600 to the VM's harddrive and configure. I installed some stuff at this point (VMWare Tools & Firefox) but I'm pretty sure you don't need tools yet. Get the 5728 ISO set it as the CD-drive. DO NOT boot from the CD, just from harddrive. Run the CDs autorun from inside 5600, choose upgrade - this is why you need a big HD, for some reason it needs/thinks it needs 10GB or more free to upgrade - go through the whole process. Reboot several times in the process, finally boot into 5728 working in VMWare.
The option to disable driver signing protection permanently will not be in the final version of Vista. The only option to disable it will be pressing F8 every time you boot the system and select that option.
There is something called "test signing", but this is a pain to enable. Also, if either test signing is enabled or driver signature checking is disabled, Windows Media Player refuses to play protected songs and movies. Protection against rootkits my ass.
Melissa
"Screw Sun, cross-platform will never work. Let's move on and steal the Java language." - Visual J++ Product Manager
I forgot to mention I used an IDE hard-drive in VMWare, not a SCSI one. Not sure if that matters though. And since I actually made mine too small (defaulted to 16GB) I simply added a second to provide extra space during the upgrade.
I'm not sure if this feature is in build 5728, but figured the /. community would want to know anyway given the heated discussion on this topic a month or so back.
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After much feedback, and many arguments, the Vista startup sound is finally getting a toggle! Yes, you read that right, someone finally yelled loud enough that marketing/upper mgmt realized that users in fact do want to be able to control their own computer!
The regular sound control panel has a new checkbox to control the startup chime as described here: http://blogs.technet.com/windowsvista/archive/200
"Lighten up"
Being "light" is good and all, but it's slashdot that needs to "lighten up" on the MS bashfest. If this were truly a "lighten up" issue, then Slashdot would have derrogatorry icons for all sorts of topics. Instead it has such icons for only two topics: Microsoft and Windows.
The GP is right; the use of such icons (and only using them for MS and Windows topics) portrays explicit bias and diminishes any credibility slashdot has as a top tech site.
-- "I never gave these stories much credence." - HAL 9000
The guy who fixed our computers experimented with the authorization thing. The list of components you acknowledged needed authorization missed only the hard drive to be everything in the computer. AFAK, changing the hard drive also required a phone call. What was reported to me was quite bad. I'm sorry but nobody would put up with having to phone Ford every time they changed a tire. I don't see why computers are any different. I don't appreciate being treated like a criminal especially when the one doing it is a convicted monopolist (and therefore a criminal).
Note that my comments about the phoning home thing referred to rumors I had heard and I referred to them as such. OK so part of my decision to drop Windows was based on a rumor. Mea culpa.
You basically called me a liar. I think most people know what to call you.
The nvidia driver bug still exists... so you need to hack the install to get some nvidia cards to work. Microsoft - do you even test this crap? http://forums.hexus.net/showthread.php?t=85252
No matter how much visual ice cream they put on it, it's still a turd underneath: a fundamentally insecure system with flaws that run right to its very core. Very impressive, but there is no long-term future for the OS.
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Don't like it? Respond with words, not karma.
I have a 15" MacBook Pro with Parallels Desktop for Mac buid 1848. After I boot off of the ISO image, Windows Boot Manager tells me that "Windows failed to load because the firmware (BIOS) is not ACPI compatible". Bummer...
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -
It's just that we never use the word "compile" on Windows. Those "installer wizards" keep words like that off the page. I did recompile the kernel on my Linux box once--because I have a dual core processor and wanted to set it up to make better use of that. I'd rather do that once than have to manually mandate which program goes where on a dual core in Windows.
look! it's a bird, it's a plane, it's....a girl? yes, a girl browsing Slashdot on Linux
is only 2.56 Gigs. So your figures are off. My connection to the net must be faster than the parent to this thread. That's all. I have it. He gave up. I don't like quibbling about speed - does it really matter?
Speed Nazi Rant off.
"Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair" - George Washington
I finally got the install to start clean with 5782. Initially, I kept getting the "A required cd/dvd drive driver" message. I tried using VMWare's ISO mounting and D-Tools, and tried the legacy option on both. Finally I just physically burned the disc, and suddenly it worked fine. WTF.
"No one likes working in a hamster wheel, and your shop smells of cedar shavings from here." - TaleSpinner
Techweb is reporting that Microsoft is specifically asking for feedback on this release, so make sure and let them know what you think.
User feedback is among the most valuable and hard to get pieces of information for a commercial company. Why the hell would you give this to Microsoft for free and then pay for the end product?
If you want to go through the trouble of giving useful feedback on UI matters, give it to the Gnome project: they'll collect your feedback and use it to improve the next version of Gnome, which you can then use for free.
Vista is like XP but with even more pointless visual effects to turn off, not to meantion it runs alot slower.
Ok, I think you should at least try it. You are the target audience MS is trying to hit.
I think you will find yourself surprised. Vista is faster than WindowsXP if you have 512mb of RAM. (Yes a step jump from the 128mb XP threshold)
The other thing you will find as you use Vista is the OS doesn't look 'extremely' different, but you find yourself using many of the new features.
Right now going back to XP from Vista (after only running it on my personal system full time for a couple of weeks) is already painful. I am forever missing the quick find abilities, saved searches, and tons of 'little' things that are just more polished and just work for you in Vista.
And going back to speed, when editing large graphics, or even working in CorelDraw or AI on a massive drawing, the speed difference is 10x the difference between Vista and XP or OSX.
The Vista Video Composer is truly top notch and not only will you find your 3D applications flying, but even your older 2D GDI+ applications will perform at amazing levels, as MS is even accelerating basic vector and GDI+ calls through the GPU. This along with the the true Vector level composer in Vista, you will find everything from CorelDraw to AutoCad and even stuff like Photoshop run so much faster on the same hardware, it is a bit surprising at times.
The biggest change for users in usability is the integrated search and the more consistent use of the folder placement and how it operates within the OS, and yes it is more *nix like, but I think that is a good thing.
The search features is not only a search service, but it is a part of the OS at every level. You will find yourself hitting the start button and typing "Donkey" and in 1 second getting a list of every file and every email you have ever used the word "Donkey" in. The search is fast, and integrated throughout to every UI Dialog or folder window. (Once you use Vista, you will see why WinFS is not needed at this point, as they have pulled off the speed and you can already add 'relational' attributes and Tags to all your files, folder and documents.
I would move to Vista for the Video and application performance alone, as I do a lot of graphic design work, and watching CorelDraw repaint a multi-layered drawing and take 5-10secs under XP and paint instantly in Vista is enough of a reason to move to a new OS. (And like I said, this is also true of almost any application that does a lot of drawing to the screen.)
Also if you have a Video Card made in the last 3 years, you won't have to turn off the 'visual' effects, unless they annoy you. There is no performance hit that our techs can even measure between running with Glass on or off.
. . . portrays explicit bias and diminishes any credibility slashdot has as a top tech site.
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And . .
KFG
How can this also be RC1? Reminds me of my companies recent pre-beta3 release...?!?!?? Maybe they are just as unclear on the concept as we are.
That argument would fly the same if WIndows was still stuck on the Windows 3.1 interface, but who would want that? I don't think the world had a problem adapting to Windows 95, which was like finally a breath of fresh air, and I don't think the confusion was that great for newcomers from Win31. However there is such a thing as something becoming a mature technology, and you can only innovate so much. The latin alphabet superceded the greek and the egyptian hieroglyphs, which were all great inventions in their time, or even equivalent to the latin alphabet just different, but not much has changed for like 2 millenia now. Will that be the same with the 2d computer interfaces, in 2 millenia will we still have a Start button? Yeah, ok, you still have cyrillic alphabets, arabic, chinese, etc, but I don't think they represent such a tremenduous technological improvement over the latin one. If they'd be an improvement, we'd be using them, just like around the 1500's people switched from roman numerals to "arabic" numerals developed by the indians, because they were better, but we've been stuck with the same symbols for 500 years now.
finally get my hands on vista and i'm downloading the iso in firefox.. just anxious when this piece of crap browser crashes,the download says 13 hours remaining on a 5 meg connection.. oh yippy!
Bleh. That's what I think.
.. not ever actually getting to play (unless you count 3 steps in spawn as playing before the game crashes).
I understand that everything is still in flux right now, but COME ON!!
Install Vista - clean install no upgrades here. 2.8ghz P4 . 1g ram . 250g SATA drive. How much faster do you want? nVidia 6600 PCI-X video card.
Download / install the drivers from nVidia. Install Steam ( steampowered.com ) and try to play DOD / Counter Strike or any of the source games.
Watch in amazement as Vista wigs out
This is a RELEASE CANDIDATE?!?!
Feels more like a Beta1..
= Grow a brain...
Me too !!!
How many beans make five, anyhow ?
Microsoft called build 5600 of Vista RC1, not build 5728. The headline is misleading. The cited article correctly states that build 5728 is an update to RC1.
if either test signing is enabled or driver signature checking is disabled, Windows Media Player refuses to play protected songs and movies. Protection against rootkits my ass.
No further comment necessary.
I'm afraid to ask why you're searching for DONKEY
What? Doesn't everyone search for Donkey several times a day?
Besides what good is an OS if you can't find your 'ass' without using both hands?
*smile*
Windows Vista doesn't even ship with telnet.exe.
'telnet' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.
:wq