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Microsoft Seeks Another OS-Level Adware Patent
theodp writes "Microsoft has just published a patent application for advertising triggered by sequences of user actions, which describes how to interrupt game playing, music listening, and photo viewing with pop-up ads ('the components may be integrated directly into the operating system'). So will this ad technology get a free pass from Windows Defender?"
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1385/1370980934_bc3b2fc882_o.jpg
Can anyone tell me what this picture is supposed to do with "how to interrupt game playing, music listening, and photo viewing with pop-up ads"?
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... about prior art, patenting the interrupt, yadda yadda ...
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I'm dying to see the reaction to this.
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One good thing about all these things is that, pretty soon people will be so horrified by the user experience in the Windows, they will be pushed into adopting Linux. After all it is the well integrated pop-up blocker that created the initial mass of downloads for Firefox.
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This probably means that Microsoft is preparing a "Free as in ad supported" version of Windows for the day when FOSS starts taking over (FASS = Free, Ad Supported Software).
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Interestingly, in response to this article, parent is not a troll.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
And here I was thinking that was considered 'BAD' by security vendors, et al. Now MS is getting a patent for what looks to me like a OS supported Trojan Horse? Lovely. Yet another reason why I have 1 copy of windows at my house, for games, that's not connected to any network while it's on, and my other 12 systems run linux. Thank Linus for choice.
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Man, this kicks ass! I cant wait till MS actually implements this in windows. This is the kind of idea that could really spark a revolution.
Admittedly it would be better described as a revolt... by windows users, but whatever... if MS wants to shoot themselves in the foot they should go for it. And by patenting it the ensure that no other OS will follow suit.
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I'm amazed that anyone would think that e-mail and games are worth have an ad forced into their face. But then, I'd rather be solving problems than trough-feeding.
These patents are being presented with Microsoft's long term business goals in mind- to integrate ads into the OS as they make their shift towards SaaS of the coming years and to integrate with Windows Live among other things... since they seem to think the thick client will go the way of the dodo (what morons, the real killer thin client is a portable pc, laptop, phone, etc.. not one without it's own OS and defined userspace) and they will be able to create a (for lack of a better word) layer or shim for advertising which they will charge for advertising on. Think of the "cloud" crap you keep hearing about from Mr. Ballmer.
The good news is, this will fail miserably similar to Netzero's old revenue model (when they first started). The bad news is, they have a larger money vault than Uncle Scrooge so they will recover and continue to make idiot ideas...
My initial reaction to this was along the lines of it being just another possible plan by microsoft to gouge the consumer. However what if this is actually technology to fight piracy but minimize the effect on legitimate customers.
Microsofts current anit-piracy activites (i.e. the Vista Black screen of death) can cause a legitimate customers computer to become virutally in-operable when the malfunction. Imagine the following scenario however.
You can download and install Windows without any sort of licence key for free, but you will need to live with the pop-up ads which effectivly pay for the operating system. You would still have the option of purchasing a licence and thereby getting rid of the ads.
Would this be a legitimate (i.e. not evil) use of this patent?
Technology is most abused by the very people it was created to help
How about "Community Released, Ad Supported Software"?
A goal is a dream with a deadline
It's funny to see Microsoft use these same tactics over and over again. No matter who the competitor, they leverage their control of the OS to attack their competition.
Does anyone disagree that this patent is an expression of Microsoft applying this formula to supplant Google's dominance in advertising? I'm a little dubious as to its potential threat to Google, but time will tell.
This stinks like the preparations for advertising-supported Microsoft products.
"'Yrch!' said Legolas, falling into his own tongue."
Just maybe, perhaps, this will give MS a way of going after spyware and malware authors - on the basis of patent infringement.
It might not be a patent that they intend to use, except in the courts...anything that gets rid of Windows malware helps Microsoft, after all.
Maybe since the US legal system is failing so miserably to protect consumers, MS is going to take down malware vendors with patent infringement cases.
I'd like to think that they want to prevent anyone from doing this.
It's a thought.
While everyone here is thinking about this in a sinister fashion.. could this be a "whitehat patent"? That is, by patenting forms of adware, Microsoft can legally protect their OS from
such software -- giving them ammunition to use against the adware makers.
Maybe this is just to keep google from coming out with an ad supported os to compete with windows. So now they want to make google either pay M$, give it away for free, or charge people.
I smoked pot once. But I DID NOT inhale. Will you hire me?
... from microsoft here, however it would be really nice if the goal of these patents was to provide annother means in which to legally interfear with future spam delivery methods. By patenting the techniques, they have legal ground to stop spammers using those techniques, even if through other laws the spammers have snuck by.
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Would this be a legitimate (i.e. not evil) use of this patent?
You think they'll stop there?
Cable TV was supposed to be ad-free too.
(Now I don't watch TV, period.)
Can we get a "-1 Wrong" moderation option?
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Year 0: Patent A, a method to show ads.
Year 5: Patent B, a method to defeat A and block ads.
Year 10: Patent C, a method to defeat B and show ads.
Year 15: Patent D, a method to defeat C and block ads.
Year 20: Patent E, a method to defeat D and show ads.
Etc.
(Much like the phone company selling: caller ID - blocker - interceptor - blocker - interceptors). This way in any year you've got at least two pairs of ad showers/blockers available and protected under patents.
Also, patent this overall idea as a business method.
We know where leadership by an anti-intellectual "strongman" who scapegoats minorities and likes boisterous rallies goes
Bill: "This is a whitehat patent, designed to stop evil."
Me: "Here's $50,000,000 if you'll pop up this little picture when the user does certain things."
Bill: "Yeahhhhhhhhhh...ok, so let's redefine 'evil' here..."
Can we get a "-1 Wrong" moderation option?
HEHE, just because you could pop-up ads during a game doesn't mean you could sell any product....
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I would be surprised if it wasn't a net loss pissing off more than they gain...hey look MS invented the anti-ad
They plan to sell the ads to Sony and Apple!
Read my lips people. We live in the U.S.A. Anyone who lives in any other backwards countries need not apply to this discussion. Here in the U.S. we have this system called capitalism. It allows us to have a high standard of living and the best thing of all, it's FREE! We're trying to get the rest of the world to use the same system since it does wonders for the standard of living and politics. The U.S. is brimming with opportunity thanks to capitalism. Anyone can become a millionaire and what Microsoft is proposing is just giving everyone (who matters) a new tool with which to make even more money by showing your service or product to trillions of people on the planet. I think anyone who doesn't see this is probably just some backwards communist or socialist who wants to steal my property and redistribute it to people who don't matter. Kudos to Microsoft for arming capitalist with another powerful way of getting at other people's cash in exchange for our great services and products!
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MS? The world will be a better place if they push this to the max and beyond.
Lacking <sarcasm> tags,
Google is doing ad-supported Operating System as well. They're just starting small with a phone instead of a PC. If they thought they could get in on the OS market i'm sure they would!!! It would be a VERy good idea for Microsoft to actually make an ad-supported version of Windows with access to the "anytime upgrade" feature of Vista. Smart marketing....shareware for operating systems.
United States Patent Application
Correspondence Name: FREEDOM, LIBERTY & PURSUIT(OH) L.L.P.;(c/o PUBLIC INTEREST)
Abstract
Skipping advertisements embedded within content based on user actions on a computing device is provided. The skipped advertisements are associated with products or services that disable or distract tasks that a user may be attempting to perform on the user device. User actions on the computing device are uninterrupted, and tasks that a user is likely attempting to perform are completed based on the user's actions. A determination is never made regarding whether any of these likely tasks are not currently enabled or may be enhanced. Advertisements are then plucked out and discarded for all tasks that are not currently enabled or may be detract the user from accomplishing said tasks or interfere with the overall user experience.
Those where along the lines of my initial reaction. Microsoft embraces piracy to gain market share. Now they are working a little more seriously to stop it but at the same time the field is slowly but surely becoming more competitive. After failing to install a (duplicate) copy of XP on my laptop I simply chose to use Kubuntu. I'm not going to suggest that this would be a typical reaction from an average user right now, but in the mid to near-term it will increase. What you suggest would be a smart compromise that would keep the revenue flowing in the right (from their POV) direction. Annoying the affluent into purchasing products while still providing a revenue stream from users who will not or can not afford the price.
Quack, quack.
Every time I read a story like this, I think how glad I am that don't use MS Windows or any other MS product. It's like MS is trying to drive customers away.
This would be a good alternative in places where people cannot afford windows.
I'm a big online UT player. Imagine the scenario:
You're been working to get really close to the objective, finally you've managed to dodge a whole team of really good defenders, you've only got at most two seconds to get the game-winning shot in and...
Some advertising pop-up appears right over your aiming cross and steals your keyboard and mouse input. You watch helplessy as in that moment you temporarily lose the opportunity to dodge the incoming hail of rockets and get killed.
The you read the stupid advert and find it is trying to sell you some stupid product that is totally irellevant to you.
The only (and I mean only) reason I have windows on my PC at all is for DX10 gaming. I dream of the day that DX10 is ported to Wine/Linux in which case I'll gleefully banish Windows from my PC forever. If MS actually make game-interfering pop-ups happen, that day will just come sooner.
Ad sponsored software is one thing, but when I pay for a program and and updates to that program insert ads that I did not agree to view that is not acceptable.
Opera didn't just one day start showing ads when there were none before.
And ad sponsored software is usually free (beer) software. You cannot sell something, and then add ads to it with a service pack or update.
That's just wrong, and informing us of it is not FUD.
You sir, are an idiot.
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Interesting examples. As I recall the ad-funded model didn't work well for either Opera or Eudora. I'm not sure what the present buisness model for Opera is, but Eudora was recently released to open source and is now being developed as the Penelope project with the Mozilla folks.
Allow us to change your Vista install to Adware!
May I ask why you seem so certain MS is going to put this in a for-pay version of windows?
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Read the patent. It uses a statistical model to analyze what the user is doing and suggest services the user might be interested in. Kinda like what Google ads does, but within a program.
The picture linked shows this in action. The user is processing images. The ad, which is enabled in the software, suggests photo development services of several clients.
From the patent,
Finally, in the screen display shown in FIG. 7, a user has navigated to a user interface 700 for accessing and viewing photos 702 stored on the user device. For example, the user may have downloaded photos 702 from a digital camera and may be viewing the photos in the user display 700. The system may determine based on these user actions that a likely task that the user would like to perform would be to send one or more of the photos 702 to an online photo development center. Additionally, the system may determine that the user does not currently have any particular online photo development service subscriptions. As such, the system has selected and presented a number of advertisements for online photo development services in a preview pane 704 of the user interface 700.
One particular application. Claiming it is 'adware' 'getting a pass from Windows Defender' is nothing but kdawsonfud, not the first and certainly not the last. All it is, an idea, not all that different from the targeted advertising provided by a certain search engine slashbots seem so quick to defend against all claims.
I've learned while here, before freaking out about an article, to see who approved the article to be front-paged.
96% of the time, it's kdawson, which means I can pass it off as idiotic FUD and go about my day.
Let's stop dilly-dallying and just change "-1: Overrated" to "-1: Disagree" or "-1: Doesn't Subscribe to Groupthink".
because MS as a corporation with shareholders is required to maximize profits. This would include MS doing things like charging people money so that MS can charge other people money too.
man, I feel like mold.
This is the greatest boon to Linux I've ever seen.
They're using their grammar skills there.
I know there's no shortage of Microsoft bashing here, but can we please stop modding the "ZOMG MICRO$OFT WANTS TO SELL YOU ADS ON YOUR DRMED VISTA LOLZ" trolls insightful? If Microsoft starts forcing ads on you, THEN it makes sense to start screaming and bitching and moaning about evil plans. Until then, it's just one more patent.
More likely, you'll have to pay $19.95 to download Windows Ad Supported.
If you want to get rid of most of the ads, you'll have to pay an additional $189.95. After paying this fee, you'll only see the Microsoft Premiere Vendor(TM) ads. And only every other day.
To go completely ad-free, you'll have to buy a Premier Partner Subscription, with a one-time activation charge of $399.95 and monthly subscription fee of $19.95.
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That argument actually favors MS not putting this in payed windows (or at least, full-price windows)
1. Keeping existing user base is also important to making profit.
2. Gaining user base is important to making profits.
3. Users don't like advertisements, especially when they didn't ask for them.
4. MS is aware of #3 due to their creation of an anti-spyware/adware program.
5. Users tend to move away only when they have active dislike, not when they don't notice somthing.
6. The less than moral advertising agencies on the web have no low to which they will not stoop.
Combining these facts, we can conclude Microsofts next actions will most likely consist of:
1. Full priced Windows will not have these advertisements
2. A reduced price and/or free Windows may be released, with advertisements of varying invasiveness
3. Microsoft will sue any advertising agency violating this patent on Windows, to keep such advertisements off Windows, keeping the user base happier
4. Microsoft may or may not sue agencies violating this patent on other OSes - if they do not, then that's more encouragement for users to use Windows, where they don't have such a hassle.
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One good thing about all these things is that, pretty soon people will be so horrified by the user experience in the Windows, they will be pushed into adopting Linux.
...Not just a highly sensitive portion of the market, but the market as a whole?
Can you think of maybe one counter-example where intrusive advertising was forced on the mass market, and the mass market responded by forever rejecting that form of advertising in both that product and any future products?
I can't.
Instead, this will probably just inure the public to intrusive ads while using a computer just like we've become used to ads in every other part of our lives.
After all it is the well integrated pop-up blocker that created the initial mass of downloads for Firefox.
This is true, but I wouldn't rest too much on the idea that Firefox downloads have been massive. Firefox accounts for around 10% of the market as opposed to the roughly 85% that Internet Explorer takes. Users have by and large not bought into the need for pop-up blockers, and if most people were using the blocker pushed onto them in XP SP2, then we wouldn't even see pop-up ads around anymore.
Never underestimate the willingness of the public to put up with ads when the alternative is to spend a little more money or make a trivial effort to defeat them.
If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").
Will this even interrupt online game play, where the game network keeps on running while your player gets beat to death and you lose all your treasures?
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
Didn't macrovision patent ways around their copy protection as a way to block their use? Perhaps this patent is a weapon to prevent ad techniques like this from being used.
I'm an alpha tester for Vista's new ad popup feature. The only ads I've been seeing are for penile enlargement. HOW DO THEY KNOW???
In this case, I'll make an exception - if MS patents this, then nobody else is allowed to use this kind of annoying interference with user experience
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I don't disagree that this is how it will start, but the tin-foil hat me says that based on the past performance of MS, they will ultimately end up doing both: charging for windows and selling ads for that same installation. It may not be on "purpose", but I believe it will happen.
The reality, as I see it from under my shiny, crinkly dome shaped lid is that *everything* is subject to being plastered with ads and the computer desktop is not exempt. Someone somewhere will eventually pay enough to get their ad on MS's desktop. period.
I also wouldn't put it past MS to "accidently" serve up ads to those who have paid to avoid them. As we all know, these kinds of things happen all the time. And many people have been "trained" to believe that this is just the way computers are. Sometimes they just don't work the way you tell them to... MS has spent decades teaching people that computers sometimes do random things for no reason and that's apparently totally acceptable to most. So why not the same with the ads?
MS will integrate this technology into the OS directly and then "turn it off" from some server, so even those who have the "ad-free" version of Windows will have the adware running on their system, it will just be checking to see whether it should serve up the ads or not. When that server goes down, it will "default" to serving up the ads until MS gets around to repairing it.
I now doff my recyclable metal head covering.
man, I feel like mold.
The amount of ads that would be neccessary for Photoshop to pay for itself would drive most creative people insane. The point to be made here is that the two examples cited here were failures for that model. Instead of trying imagine something farfetched as this, point to some existing examples that do work
A week or so ago we had probelms of sound playing disturbing network trafric. Inmagine the extra overheads of processing adware.,
Engineering is the art of compromise.
"Opera didn't just one day start showing ads when there were none before."
And neither has Windows. It's just a patent application, not a design doc.
"And ad sponsored software is usually free (beer) software."
Not always. I can think of quite a few games with in game ads that are not free.
I have an almost 3 year old at home that runs around grabbing things and shrieking 'mine'. I am reminded of slashdot and all the people running around saying 'free'. Most of the time she gets her way, which doesn't make her right anymore than it does the freedom crowd.
"So will this ad technology get a free pass from Windows Defender?"
God microsoft, hypocrites till the end.
Finally, a patent that should be denied both because it's obvious and due to prior art that everyone can stand behind. If Microsoft patents this, it will keep such unwanted crap from infecting other operating systems!
I believe Opera's current business model is embedded development. They sell Opera Mini to phone manufacturers, and are responsible for the Nintendo DS and Wii browsers.
It's like sex, except I'm having it!
MS has had the ability to force ads upon us since Windows 95 or 98 when they first created the ability to put web pages as the desktop background. They have not yet.
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Simple solution, and one I've been advocating for years now.
Never give a Windows box access to the internet. Ever.
Play your games on it, use MS Word, whatever. But if you must hit the ol' intertubes - use Linux. Or Mac OS. Hell, even your C64. ANYTHING but your Windows box.
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rediculous.
While you playing a game Clippy pops up and says "I see that you are playing blank to do you want help?"
replace blank with a type of game Like if you are hitting and holding the shift keys a lot then he may say "I see that you are playing pinball to do you want help?"
Extortion of your screen, pay us to make it go away.
I went to eat some animal crackers and the box said, "Do not eat if seal is broken." I opened the box and sure enough..
That's only if you have Active Desktop running.
Any real geek doesn't waste any resources on something that is completely covered by open windows anyways, and why would they want a "browser" view that can't even receive focus when it's under a layer of other windows anyways?
The cesspool just got a check and balance.
actually, with the way the desktop in windows acts, I wouldn't surprise me if active-desktop was auto-on by default anyway, as of Windows 2000 or so.
And even if not, what's to keep MS from auto-oning that, and more than these ads we are discussing now?
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Hey, I care about what Britney Spears is up to these days! Not because I like her, but because I like laughing at how badly she's throwing her career down the toilet. It's funny, in a perverse way, watching a no-talent bimbo single-handedly destroy whatever career she had left, which she never deserved in the first place.
Celebrity news is generally only interesting when they're spectacularly self-destructing.
This is true, but I wouldn't rest too much on the idea that Firefox downloads have been massive. Firefox accounts for around 10% of the market as opposed to the roughly 85% that Internet Explorer takes. Users have by and large not bought into the need for pop-up blockers, and if most people were using the blocker pushed onto them in XP SP2, then we wouldn't even see pop-up ads around anymore.
That's OK. Firefox may only have 10-20% of the browser market (I've definitely heard numbers higher than the 10% you're quoting), but that's enough: it forced many, many websites to finally pay attention to it, and fix their sites to be compatible with it and other standards-compliant browsers like Opera and Konqueror. The growing number of Safari users on Macs has helped, too. The end effect of this is that, far more than 4-7 years ago, you can now browse the web with any browser you please, and the number of IE-only sites is dwindling.
FF doesn't need >50% marketshare to accomplish the goal of a browser-agnostic web. Any merchant would be utterly stupid to turn away one out of ten customers (or worse, one out of five), so we're much closer to this goal than ever. I really don't care if MS keeps a whole 50% or more of the browser marketshare with IE, as long as this goal is accomplished and I can use the software I like. A majority isn't needed, only a large enough minority.
So if a majority of the public is willing to put up with annoying ads, that's their choice, and I'll just laugh as they get more and more annoyed at them (or worse, learn to accept them). Meanwhile, I'll be using software which doesn't have any pop-up ads.
Will 1337-5n1per kill the other player with one shot?
Stay tuned! More on this, right after this break....
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"Don't take this the wrong way, because you earned that +5 Funny but ... man, that's not funny. I'd be torqued into a pretzel if my OS did that to me. "
..."
Than you. Slashdot users settled for "Funny" because there aren't mod codes for "torqued into a pretzel".
But you might have found the next Mac/PC ad.
Mac Gamer: "Quick! Drink the Mountain Dew Game Fuel!" (Click. Character saved.)
WinPC Gamer: "Quick! Drink the Nourishing Fountain!
(OnMouseOver BeforeClick Popup) "You have won a case of Diet Tab!"
(Frantic Clicking... Ad Maximizes obliterating the game window. Character dies.)
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For those ultra cheap windows lovers!!!
INTRODUCING: Vista Free Edition.
All you have to do is agree to an ad every 20(subject to terms and agreements) minutes and it is yours.
Advantages:
1. You no longer need to pay for Windows.
2. Learn how Trojan can help you.
3. Still get all the viruses that you would normally get now with an automated installer.
4. Stop annoying Genuine Windows checks.
By disabling/removing (if needed) pretty much all but 4-9 services. My VM has 4 processes running and works well. My desktop has 9, including video and network drivers and utilities.
In a well architected network with well-administered systems, the need to update an MS OS is virtually non-existent. If all you've installed/enabled that's MS is the OS then you're pretty safe.
The cesspool just got a check and balance.
So will this ad technology get a free pass from Windows Defender?
Of course it will. And expect a fresh dose of malvare on every level your character reaches in your favourite rpg.
There you are, staring at me again.
An add appearing in front of the screen? MS can implement this feature within an hour - all they have to do is to add adds to error messages, BSOD's and on Vista - to UAC dialogues.
Why the hell are so many sad fuckwits so interested in who posts crap stories?
If you are not interested in a story, fuck off and don't read it, simple.
Why posting a stupid comment slagging off the person who posted it? Unless you have nothing better to do than sit around griping and not doing anything constructive.
If you have something interesting to say, then say it. Otherwise piss off and whine to your shrink instead, at least they are paid to your anti-kdawson drivel.
I dont read
Maybe I'm dreaming, but I think I see something different here ...
When I see discussions involving ads, who do I really think of? No, not MS - Google. Sounds to me like MS is patenting stuff that they expect Google to want.
No, MS could never sell a version of Windows with OS-level adware in it (unless they plan to give it away and pay for it with the ads, but I doubt it) so instead I see ammuntion for their upcoming battle against the still-mythical GoogleOS. If Google has to pay MS licensing fees for components of GoogleOS, then MS wins no matter which product people use.
It's made of lose either way. Either Microsoft loses for getting ready to roll out more crapware, or Microsoft loses for applying for stupid patents.
...if the malware is built into the OS on purpose by the manufacturer? I can just see my company's local server farm slowing to a crawl because the OS is trying to serve an ad for new SAN hardware from some outfit in Malaysia as a result of an alert sent out by the current hardware. Of course, that isn't exactly a realistic scenario. The technology will only be used to screw the little guy while the "Enterprise" edition will have the ability to disable the ads.
We are the 198 proof..
The user is processing images. The ad, which is enabled in the software, suggests photo development services of several clients.
How precisely is this NOT adware? The user hasn't asked Google or Microsoft or anyone else for photo processing services. The user may not have any intention of asking for information. The user is simply being interrupted in the middle of working with another program with an ad.
interrupted
Google has never interrupted me. No popups. Not even any interstitial ads.
in another program
I've never had Google pop up when I'm on someone else's web site.
in the middle of working
Never had Google come up unless I've actually asked them to.
All it is, an idea, not all that different from the targeted advertising provided by a certain search engine slashbots seem so quick to defend against all claims.
If Google was using pop-up ads...
If Google was popping up those ads over the web pages you found on Google...
If Google was charging $300 for access to their service...
Then you can bet your last dollar that they'd get attacked. But they're not getting attacked for doing something similar to what this patent is proposing because, get this, they're NOT DOING IT.
So stick your FUD in your pipe and smoke it.
I highly doubt they want to insert the most annoying ads known into at the worst possible time and ruin the user experience.
They probably patented it so that adware companies cannot legally create such software.
Personally, I think these efforts are going to result in an ad supported edition of Windows. While it will be the horrific user experience everyone here predicts, I also predict it will be entirely optional.
Merely, that when it comes time to buy a computer, you can get Vista Home Basic Ad-supported edition for free, or Vista Ultimate for $500.00 with the ability to make proper backups, support for encryption, and no built-in adware.
It would be an interesting development. How would linux fare in the home market if a version of Windows were "free", and you could install it on as many computers as you wanted without violating the license?
How many people would pay for the 'ad-free' version?
Food for thought.
I don't think Microsoft is being evil. I think its smart, and good business.
I wonder if someone will release an ad supported linux distro, where the ads cover the cost of providing support. So you can get Linux with community support for free, or ad-Linux with, phone support, and remote-access technicians fluent in your language of choice.
It will be FOSS, so anyone who wants to can disable the ads, but doing so of course will terminate your support service.
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I can see why they felt the need to rush of and patent this. What an extraordinary invention.
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they have a larger money vault than Uncle Scrooge
Heh, I had my doubts, so I looked it up.
Bill Gates' net worth is $56 billion. http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/10/07billionaires_William-Gates-III_BH69.html
Scrooge McDuck is worth "five multiplujillion, nine impossibidillion, seven fantasticatrillion dollars and sixteen cents", which apparently translates to $10.9 billion, according to Forbes.
That makes my day that you looked that up, it (my day) was going right down the toilet (actually a great day when you think about it but you know those days when ya just feel meh?) and I was only guessing which makes me even happier
I enjoy the schadenfreude as well...but....I don't see how her "disasterous" performance was any worse than the same crap she's been putting out for 8 years now.
I'm not sure, nobody knows what they are planning to do. At least I don't.
I have a pretty good idea that MS is not above an act like this. Especially considering some of the things they have already implemented in Vista.
I'm not hopping up on any soapbox, I'm not advocating "free" software, I'm not accusing anyone of anything.
I was merely stating the fact that informing technical people of possible shenanigans on the part of MS is not FUD, as the OP had suggested.
I'm simply saying that it is not FUD, it is a possibility, that the next service pack may include some kind of adware, and had I purchased Vista I would be pissed.
Fortunately, I use various Linux distro's and my wife uses XP. I probably will not ever have to see an ad from MS other than the one's in some of the trade magazines I read.
Linux Zealots: Smarter than Mac Zealots, but still zealots.
I didn't actually watch it (I don't want to see her bad performances; just reading the blurbs about them is sufficient), but apparently it was considered horrible by everyone who had anything to say about it. I think I even heard she was lip-syncing it, but wasn't even able to convincingly lip-sync.
What's important is that her fans and the people in the industry have decided she's crap, not whether you and I think she ever did anything worthwhile. Now we get to witness her downfall.
It's good to see Microsoft focusing on solving the world's most pressing computing problems, diverting their innovation and patenting dollars toward what is matters most.
Did we need a patent to tell us that Microsoft excels at innovations whose purpose is primarily to annoy users?
"Microsoft killed my company, I hold a personal grudge. I don't use Microsoft products and neither should you."-JWZ
Oh how I wish that microsoft would integrate this into windows. I doubt even the most pointy headed idiot there would be stupid enough. Not even if Ballmer cracked his skull with a chair and replaced the brain with sweat. But one can dream!
The Farewell Tour II
um, window 704 is floating over what
ever the user was doing, and it is
displaying advertisements.
It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkzhVHTXgS4/
Enjoy?
Here's wondering if this isn't related to their recent stealth Windows update that occured without notification and despite configuring it to not allow automatic updates! Contant pop advertisements, everyone needs them whether they want them or not!
I see another possible side to this move, and that is to protect end users with the patent system. Microsoft would never implement such a system on an operating system that an end user has paid for. The choice then is either a subscription model OS or another bullet in a lawsuit against a malware/adware provider who "copies" this technology from Microsoft. This patent does not concern me at all.
The reactionary line of thought that says this means that "the $400 copy of Vista Ultimate that I just bought is going to start interrupting my games with advertisements! Microsoft sucks!," is just plain stupid. Microsoft is a lot of things, but it is not stupid.
I can see this actually being a good thing if used in one context (and one context only): ads don't appear as long as the copy of the OS is registered. So basically making it nag the pirates into actually buying the OS. One could hope MS would utilize it that way. I don't expect them to, but one can hope.
A thought that sometimes makes me hazy: Am I - or are the others crazy? - Albert Einstein
an alternative to the Black Screen of Death. First a pop-up every 10 minutes with
"I see you don't have a legitimate copy of Windows Vista, click here to buy!"
If windows is not activated in a few days, you get regular adverts every 10 minutes as well.
Doesn't matter if this story is real or not. If MS does this, inside the first month after release, there'll be at least one hack out there to completely disable it anyway.