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Airport Security Prize Announced
Reservoir Hill writes "Verified Identity Pass, a firm that offers checkpoint services at airports, has announced a $500,000 award for any solution that will make airport security checks quicker and simpler for passengers. The cash prize will go to any individual, company or institution that can get customers through airport security 15% faster, at a cost of less than 25 cents per passenger, using technology or processes that will be approved by the Transportation Security Administration (TSA). Passengers must not need to remove their clothes or shoes, something that slows down processing significantly. "We're looking at moving things that are conceptual or in the lab to things that we can deploy," says company spokesman Jason Slibeck and added that over 150 individuals, start-ups, defense contractors and universities have shown an interest in the prize. One promising procedure is mass spectroscopy, which involves analyzing the mass-charge ratio of ions on a swab sample taken from a passenger's clothing or air collected from around them to spot traces of substances including explosives or drugs. The Pre-Registration Package Information Sheet is available online."
The summary says nothing about maintaining security. Just abolish it, or limit it to the bare minimum and then have an air-marshal on every plain to stop people with box-cutters.
You only get one bullet. It's preloaded, can't even be unloaded, maybe small caliber, maybe fairly low velocity, and has a 75% chance of being a blank. Tag the bullets, and maybe ink-tag the gun so it sprays the user when the trigger is pulled. Maybe even a point-blank "contact trigger", kind of like a nail gun -- you'd have to put the gun directly on someone to shoot them, avoiding aim problems in a crowded plane.
Turn them in at the end of a flight -- everyone got one while boarding, everyone better turn the same one over when leaving.
Anybody tries anything on the plane, and *bang* -- if a dozen passengers shoot at him, at least a couple are likely to nail him.
That's security through strength in numbers.
Who do I go see about collecting my $500,000?
John
Remove all Airport security. Lots more convenient, and probably about as secure.
Do I win?
Stop treating us all like criminals/terrorists, stop wasting my tax dollars and just let us on the damn plane.
Be gone from my sight or prepare to feel my flaming wraith!
Put several armed officers on each plane.
Put the door to the cockpit on the OUTSIDE of the plane.
Problem solved. I'll take my money now.
Dogs?
Yeah, trained dogs..
Dogs can smell fear, and many chemical substances. You just have a pack of em and train them to bark ferociously when they "sense" trouble. Police dogs already have that kind of leeway.
Before everyone screams 'eliminate all secruity' and hire a bunch of air marshalls... how much do they cost? I'm serious, I have no idea how much they cost.
Did I win?
This is my sig. There are many like it but this one is mine.
remove first class(shock!)
Put a seat facing the passengers, put an air marshal with a pistol and a shotgun. Give him mirrored shades.
Create a secured cockpit door.
Go back to the more general pre 9/11 security
Profit..I mean Done.
Maybe a lock down code on the auto pilot, so you can land the plane w/o pilot intervention. Auto pilot landing can be, and is more then most people know, done today.
oh, wait, you mean maintain the theater of security and speed it up? no, those two things are opposites.
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The main problem with airport security is the people manning the checkpoints. Their goal is not to get you through in the quickest period of time. They are not professional, they do not care about the happiness of their customers and appear to get their kicks by making your life miserable with their "authority". If you complain about their behavior, is rectified or do you get a rectal exam for it? There should be bonus incentives for prompt and courteous service. Have random samples of folks that have been through security give feedback on their service. Run "tests" to ensure security. Make someone accountable for the service. Unfortunately, government agencies are never accountable for the service provided to citizens. Run it like a for profit business where the customer is the focus.
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
Stop the ridiculous liquid thing for a start.
Yes, there WAS a plot to do that. It was an epic fail from the start and there's no reasons to keep the restrictions in place.
Hey, I have a good one, everyone checks in *everything* and flies naked. Then we'll finally be safe.
I recently worked on a gig where many high profile business and political figures were attending. I walked through a SecureScan system. I'm a stagehand, so I had tools on me. I the scan operator could tell the difference between my 8" crescent wrench, my multi-tool, and my Spyderco knife as I walked through at a normal pace. I know because he only asked about my knife, not the other tools.
We are all just people.
When word gets out that common household products can cause false positives, such as the cooling agent in cold packs (ammonium nitrate), nail polish remover (acetone) or even luncheon meats (nitrites), there shall be trouble. Then it's back to screwing the Fourteenth Amendment the old fashioned way: "Hey you swarthy bearded porkshunner, bend over for a prostate check!"
Submission as evidence constitutes plaintiff and/or prosecutorial misconduct.
Seriously... your basic bomb dog, perhaps another one trained in gun oil. Have the damn dog sniff shoes and butts. "No explosives here George"
Customs I believe employ beagles for drugs.
There is no sanctuary. There is no sanctuary. SHUT UP! There is no shut up. There is no shut up.
Removing my shoes is one of the most useless "security measures" I've ever seen. One guy thought he'd be clever and set his shoes on fire on the plane, better swing into knee-jerk reaction mode and force everyone to take off their shoes. What if he's got [explosive] in his pocket and just sets his pants on fire?
There you go, huge speed up, zero cost.
Also, you overzealous Denver TSA agents, making me remove my sweatshirt isn't helping things either. It's not baggy and if I was going to hide something under it, why wouldn't I hide it under my undershirt too?
Quicker. Simpler. Cheaper. What's missing? Oh yes, that's right... HOW ABOUT "MORE EFFECTIVE?"
If you want *effective* airline security, follow the best model in the world: Israel's airline, El-Al. There, if a guard so much as doesn't like your aftershave -- you're off the flight. And if you disagree, you get to talk to the business end of a submachine gun and will probably spend the night in a jail cell, at the least. They take that shit seriously because they have to - they are quite literally surround by tens of millions of people (yes, mostly Muslims) that want them dead.
All baggage is pressure/decompression tested (to check for pressure-trigger bombs). It is all chemically "sniffed". It is X-Rayed. Everyone goes through a metal detector. etc. etc. etc.
You can have safety. Or you can have convenience. But so long as there are tens of millions who want to kill you, you cannot have both.
But we're still living in a fairytale world here in the US. Some think we can negotiate with the world's murderous fanatics. Just talk out our differences. They'll talk us all into either a burqua or a grave.
--Jack
No external security, just once everyone is in their seats, inject them all with sedatives and fill the passenger cabin with sedative gas to put them all to sleep.
Or get rid of the plane and use mass teleportation.
Oh, say does that Star-Spangled Banner entwine / The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's vine?
Anyway, if you look at it rationally these guns are for defense, so if you think of buying them as another way of saying "defense appropriations" our current president should be willing to pay Halliburton about $35,000 apiece for them!
John
If someone wanted to foil current as well as new security measures and as a bonus create chaos in an airport with almost no risk, he would simply have to distribute traces of powdered explosives or drugs or other chemicals they search for somewhere near the entrance.
This would be a simple as dragging a sligthly leaking luggage bag around outside the building, and with all the other travelers hauling luggage won't be noticed for sure.
Whether the airport uses spectroscopy, dogs, or other sensors, everyone who walks trough that powder will trigger the alarm, more so than a terrorist that actively tried to remove all traces from himself.
This was already posted earlier on Slashdot: http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/01/09/1834228
The main purpose behind the security is to keep the population frightened and annoyed. A frightened populaton is easier to control. To claim the prize you need to demonstrate its effectiveness at keeping the population under control too.
Engineering is the art of compromise.
If they float, they're a witch^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hterrorist. If they sink, they're not. Seems about as valid as any other TSA methodology.
"To those who are overly cautious, everything is impossible. "
From 2001
http://www.thegunzone.com/fam-lawman/fam-qual.html
Probably Pay band G salary. Higher grades do investigation and other duties.
Call it 75K after benefits.
that works out to about 30 an hour. Air flight that take for hours would be an addition of 120 + overhead So if you ahve 60 seats, two bucks or so a ticket.
I think even an 10% cost hike would be well worth it.
Plus you will need to pay fewer people for gate security.
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If you have a bag you have to go to the counter. If you want to carry it on you give it up at the counter, it is then there waiting for you at your gate after it has gone through security on it's own. Now there is nothing to search at the security checkpoint except the person. The only thing that you are allowed with you is your boarding pass, id, and for women as "SMALL" purse.
A lot of the holdup are people who don't know the drill at airport security. You always have to take of your shoes, you always need to empty your pockets, you always need to take the laptop out of its bag, and you should just minimize how much metal you're carrying (before I enter security, I just toss all my pocket change into my carry on, rather than fishing for it at Xray, and then putting it back in my pocket). When you watch the experienced business travelers, they know the drill, and how to get to the other side of security quite quickly. To this end, I suggest that security use a soup nazi style of handling the line. You show up to the front of the line, shoes off, coat over your arm, carry on over your shoulder, ticket and ID in your hand (completely out of the wallet), step to the conveyor belt, a basket will be waiting for you, place everything in the basket, take two steps to the right, go through the metal detector, pick up basket en mass to separate re-dressing area where you will leave the basket, and then proceed to gate. Any breach in this protocol (fishing for ID, untying shoes, being told that you need to take your laptop out of your bag), and all your belongings will be returned to you, and you will be sent to the back of the line (don't worry, you should be back to the front in 20 minutes or so). Travelers with young children will be given a modicum of leeway, but not too much.
Seriously. Why are the Americans obsessed with searching for traces of drugs? Most so-called 'drug users' that drive the Americans batshit are harmless young cannibus smokers. And if they develop a machine that detects microscopic and molecular trace levels of cannibus (that's weed, you'all), well they are going to find it. Because roughly 10% of the people going through what they call 'airport security' are going to have molecular levels of exposure to cannibus. Seek and ye shall find.
So what are the stupid Americans going to do then when they find some young person with trace molecular levels of cannibus in their aura? Shut down the airport? Call out the National Guard? Taser the poor motherfucker over and over and make him or her flop around on the airport floor like a white shark dragged into a tuna boat? All of the above?
And what are they going to do when it happens again a half hour later?
What the fuck is wrong with these people?
Americans! Let us give you a hint about security. Forget about finding the molecular levels of cannibus on random college students. Concentrate on the people who are seriously interested in blowing up airplanes.
Here's another hint. No serious terrorist is going to try hijacking a commercial airliner any more. If they are serious about flying a big plane into a place where a plane has no reason to be they will spend the money to rent a private plane, or blackmail some corrupt CEO into letting them borrow the corporate jet. Which never get inspected by what these bozos call 'security'. Because they are corporate private property. Which according to what passes for logic in the American mind, can't be used for terrorist activities because it is corporate property. Inconceivable!
If the Americans were really serious about making their airports safe they would turn the whole operation over to the Israelis or even the British. After all, this would give them more time to go around tasering random young people found in the presence of molecular traces of 'drugs'.
2 steps:
1 - RFID tag every human on earth. ( to allow tracking and scanning )
2 - All passengers must remove all clothes before debarking their vehicles. ( to avoid having to search )
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Forbid all passengers to wash their feet at least for a week, prior to boarding. In less than a month, airport security will BEG for passengers not to take off their shoes.
A few times now, I've travelled on a plane with heavy computer equipment. Every time, i've checked in the main boxes minus hard-discs which I've taken as hand-luggage. Sometimes in fact, it's been so heavy the baggage at the end it's needed to be checked in via the heavy/awkward baggage drop as it's approached the 40kg mark. The thing is, every time I've done this, I've always made sure they known there's a computer inside my bag because to my mind, solid steel casing encasing circuit boards with wires coming out of it is about as suspicious a package as you can get.
What gets me is that no one seems to give a shit about what's in there - not once have they even looked to check when it goes through the ex-ray machine; lighting it up like a Christmas tree. They just assume that because it's being checked in with me, it's safe? I don't know, this is just my experience.
The discs I'm taking on as hand-luggage is a different story. I've had to explain to person after person that they're "hard-discs for a kom-pooo-ta!" not in fact weapons of mas destruction, nor agents of deadly nerve gas.
Now to my mind, if you can get a 40kg bag checked into a plane without any/many checks because it's not hand-luggage, you're just asking for trouble. The bombs that went of in Madrid were mobile detonated....what if after boarding the plane you don't suddenly "get a headache" just before take-off (of course they wont take off with your bag still in the hold), nip outside and blow the lot to kingdom come once at a safe distance? Baggage handlers aren't known for their efficiency, and imagine doing it on a plane with 300 passengers.
My point is, to my mind, this is a huge hole. Most plane hijackers have been willing to sacrifice themselves too, so just getting a "computer" into the hold would be enough...
throw new NoSignatureException();
So, I should not be allowed to flight in your dream world?
But since so many people harbor the fallacy that firing a gun I'll make an exception.
I can tell you exactly what will happen. A quite hiss. You can not create a fiery disaster on a plane with a handgun, or a shot gun. Also, the person being shot at will die.
Of course, you have normal procedure.
I've seen it, so unless you can provide some counter evidence, STFU.
All this ignoring the fact the O2 masks are useless. They ahve never saved a life. Any aircraft incident large enough to cause deployment means the aircraft will desend rapidly, preferably under control, but not always.
Since there is air at the altitude the plane is flying, and the fact that in about 90 seconds you will be at an altitude with sufficient air, they really aren't need.
All other incidents render them moot.
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Is everything here a repost? /. story on the EXACT SAME THING: http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/01/09/1834228
Direct your attention to this recent
See Fifth Element. Lock people in cabins and knock them out.
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Oh, here it is. I can see why they couldn't find it ... after all, it's only the first Google hit on slashdot for "airport security prize."
When reaching the security point you ask each passenger:
"Are you a terrorist?"
If you got people to raise their hand you could probably do five or six at a time.
dan
To clarify: This contest isn't about improving TSA procedure. The contest is an effort to improve a 3rd party screener's ability to expedite verification of passengers. Specifically, the throughput of paid "members-only" lanes.
Honestly, if they're not helping all air travelers, then it's really not something I'm interested in. This type of treatment is rife with inequity and is just another step towards a consummate terror state.
If you really want to increase throughput on all lanes, all you have to do is increase parallelism. Have self-service metal detectors and numbered/tagged x-ray bins prior to the checkpoint. Let people screen themselves. Instead of waiting in line, then waiting for the jackass in front of you to go through the metal detector 3 times looking for his belt buckle, you just wait in line. At the supervised checkpoint, everybody has already figured out what metal they need to remove and all their items are in bins already. If you can check your bins into the system way ahead of the line and retrieve them by number after the line, you've cut the wait time even more. If everybody does their own pre-screening simultaneously, every supervised check is reduced from a minute down to a few seconds.
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Get rid of all the security gates, the x-rays, the bomb-sniffing dogs. Let people walk into an airport as easilty as into a supermarket.
Have a large room with plenty of tables near the gate. All passengers go in with their luggage. They can work it out among themselves. When all passengers are satisfied, then they board the plane.
I call this prize throwing good money after bad.
Here's a novel solution: stop bombing people. Not only will we reduce the number of people that want to bomb us in return, we can save half a trillion dollars annually from slashing the military budget and closing every overseas military base. With all that extra cash we can afford all kinds of security, not to mention national health care, schools, repairing infrastructure, jobs... you name it. Of course, we also may find we don't need as much security.
Give each passenger a pill/gas to knock them out through the trip. When landing is ready to commence give them a new dose that wakes them up. The pharmaceutical companies will line up around the block for bids. I want a cut from them also. I'm thinking 1% since I am so smart.
"I guess I'm gonna fade into Bolivian."
Stop all personal and luggage screening and eliminate any government intervention. This worked fine up until 1963(?) and still works for all other types of public and private transit.
Hey..Freedom...actually...works. Has anyone else figured this out yet?
Cost $0. Time 0. Send me my check.
Allow anyone with a current valid concealed weapons permit to carry their pistol onboard.
Have gnu, will travel.
You missed the part where passengers give the guns back after the flight.
I wear a titanium watch... I never take it off when I go through security because it never sets off the metal detectors.
What if someone had a titanium knife? Pretty scary really.
...from a perspective not saturated by fear is to revert to the policies and procedures in place on September 10, 2001
Because i got that scheme , the Selective Checks (tm), and i'm releasing it now under GPL : 1. If the customer is Muslim - give him the same sort of body search you get in a proccess of getting speed ticket by american highway patrol. 2. If the customer is non-Muslim - move to the next customer. 3. profit (by moving 15% faster , and using less than 25 cents for customer at avarage)
Move the cockpit bulkhead back as far as the first class bathroom and enclose that and the boarding doorway in with the pilots. Board the passengers through another door entirely, and never shall the flight crew and passengers meet. At that point, who cares what happens to the passengers or their security? We'll never have another hijacking again unless someone wants to try and scale the exterior of the aircraft in flight. Good luck with that. As for my prize, I'll take cash in euros. I'm not to thrilled about the state of US money these days.
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You forgot to account for the cost of flying them all over the country. And probably having to frequently get food and housing for them on the other end of flights (either that or you are looking at huge inefficiencies in placing them on flights if you need to have them back in their home town every day). None of which is insignificant.
And thats not to mention administrative costs, etc. Plus you can build in about 50-200% extra just because its being done by feds who don't care about their bottom line.
etc.
VILLAGER #1: Bread!
VILLAGER #2: Apples!
VILLAGER #3: Uh, very small rocks!
VILLAGER #1: Cider!
VILLAGER #2: Uh, gra- gravy!
VILLAGER #1: Cherries!
VILLAGER #2: Mud!
VILLAGER #3: Uh, churches! Churches!
VILLAGER #2: Lead! Lead!
ARTHUR: A duck!
CROWD: Oooh.
BEDEVERE: Exactly.
Doesn't fix everything, but a big improvement could come from having all the airlines standardize on a 2D barcode for boarding passes. Today, they all use their own encoding, and don't encode the same data.
A 2d barcode would allow enough data space for crytographic signing, and standardizing would allow for a scanner at the security checkpoint to verify who the boarding pass is for, and display the name for the TSA agent to check against the traveler's ID.
If you had that level of accountability, I would assume that some of the other requirements could be relaxed, providing the time savings. A sort of poor man's "registered traveler" program.
Visit CryptoGnome in his home.
I'm thinking special glasses for the TSA agents to make them colorblind.
jeff
Didn't we discuss this only six weeks ago?
Well what do you know -- we did! :)
Yaz.
(Tagged appropriately).
I suggest remote controlled tazer suppositories. If you misbehave you get juiced! If you tamper with them you get juiced. Problem solved.
Every passenger gets $50 of chips, more chips can be purchased, chips have no value off the plane. Chips can be used for movies, gambling, arcade games, drinks, or [name your entertainment]. Gambling tables over the wings, kids arcade near the back, bar down the middle of the plane. Anyone not having a good time is either a radical fundamentalist with no joy in life left to live for and will be immediately sedated; or they are an IRS tax auditor and will be immediately sedated.
Not only will this cost less than 25 cents per passenger, I expect airlines will be able to fly fewer passengers per plane as revenue per person increases thru gambling income.
You will still arrive at your destination strung out and tired; but enjoy the whole experience a lot more.
Every mans' island needs an ocean; choose your ocean carefully.
Doesn't every passenger pay like $9 per segment now? $2/seat seems like a very good deal.
We are already paying way too much.
-Unresolved symbol? Byte me!
... but 99% of the people who will ever try to blow up or hijack an airplane with themselves on it are in about one half of one percent of the flying population. Do I need to paint you a picture of how you can cut 99.5% of the wasted time?
.5% subject to it, as there would be less desire by civilians to harass them to double-check that the security officials had actually done their jobs.
Currently, we search "randomly" to make sure the numbers balance out at the end of the day, because we can't admit that we've got no individualized suspicion about the Syrian in C-6 or any of the other passengers on the plane, but we know to almost a certainty that if the plane blows up due to foul play, the bomb was in C-6. This is a great inconvenience to everyone, and leads to security theatre like searching 5 year olds or 80 year old war vets who are sitting Congressmen when we could be giving a quick, professional, and *thorough* screening to a much smaller group of people. Like, say, El Al does. They deal with a much, much more hostile security environment than the US does, and they have a near-perfect security record. (The only incident I recall off the top of my head was someone taking a gun into the LAX airport and shooting at their ticketing terminal. He killed two and was shot to death by the armed guard they had posted. You get exactly one guess on the race and religion of the shooter.)
The publication of this policy would also probably make flying easier, not harder, for the
Incidentally, if there is a sudden rash of the IRA attempting to blow up or hijack US or Japanese aircraft, feel free to pull me out of the line. I've got no more desire to be blown up by idiots who happen to look a little bit like me than anyone else does.
Help poke pirates in the eyepatch, arr.
Remove all controls at the airport. Install a self-destruct in each passengers seat in the plane. No one will dare to make a sudden move. Probably will leave some nasty stains in the seat during really long flights, but I'm sure the stewardess will bring you a pillow double-quick.
As well, we should considering having all lights in the airport powered by weights ("gravity"). Passengers will be forced to cooperate in lifting 900lbs weights 6' feet high so that can see well enough to move around the airport. This new-found collaboration will force terrorists and smugglers to gain a new appreciation for humanity and end their wicked ways. Or at least be too exhausted to care.
Wearing pants should always be optional.
Yeah, those really distract others for listening in on your rather loud exposition on how you saved the company from certain doom. And you soliloquy about your obvious third world debt solution and your trip to Cabo.
Magic Negro Powers...ACTIVATE!!!
We've already covered this a while back! I answered the same thing then that i'm going to now:
Make everyone wear slippers and hospital gowns. Everything has to be checked in when at the counter except a neck pocket which holds ID, tickets, cash, passport and little other items. If you need medicine or anything else, you could get a little bucket-box that can hold medicine or other crap you "need" to have on the plane.
Really we're making this harder than it is. Hire people at good rates of $$ and tell them lots of people want their job. They'll catch everything once they see the turn over rate sky high because of poor performance. The $$ is their motivation to do well.
one day we'll have the technology to walk through a check point with all kinds of crap and it'll know if we've taken a shower, but until then the retards will keep ruining our day by trying to take nail clippers or eye brow pluckers when they are not allowed.
My abilities are only limited by my imagination
By the time the first few passengers go through the portal detectors, they'll be taken aside for further screening. After the first dozen or so, the instrument will be taken off-line for the technicians to come fix. But by then, the AN is ground into the carpet or the floor. The entire airport will have to be decontaminated. Until then, every individual will have to be checked the old way.
And then another dimes' worth of fertilizer starts it all over again.
You know, just asking. Trouble with ^h is it's easy for you to lose count of how many you need. Go check. You lose -1 geek cred points.
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I had mod points, but wasn't sure whether to mod you flambait or something else - don't quite know what.
So, I'll reply instead, on the off-chance that it was a serious question.
I am not a Muslim. Hell, I'm not really much of anything. But I've picked up a few things about religions in general and people in general. Regardless of their religion, people will act as people do - and that often means having the strength to do what they believe is necessary and appropriate to the circumstances. Whether that's "right" or "wrong" to you depends on how it affects you or people you know or your belief structures - again, that's human.
Many Muslims believe lying is prohibited, regardless of whether the person being lied to is a muslim or not. That's fine, many other religions hold similar views about lies - the Ninth Commandment, anybody?
However, there appears to be room for a practice called al-Taquiyya (see http://www.al-islam.org/ENCYCLOPEDIA/chapter6b/1.html ) Other religious scholars in other religions have likely held similar views - the early Christians under Rome kept their beliefs secret, as a matter of self-preservation. I wouldn't mind betting that Jewish theologians have debated things like "passing for non-Jewish" in the Third Reich. A strange form of Christianity evolved in Japan between when the Jesuits were kicked out and when Japan started to become more open again, because families had to keep their beliefs secret or face persecution. People will do what's necessary.
Now, on the surface, there appears to be nothing wrong with al-Taquiyya at all. Indeed, in times of persecution or harassment, what's wrong with hiding matters and keeping private things private for the sake of your survival and the survival of your family? Allah will know your intentions, and won't object if it's a matter of survival. No hypocracy required - it's better to be alive and a good person who told a necessary lie than a dead good person who never told a lie in their life. You can't do more good works if you're dead.
The trouble is, people are people - and interpret things differently, and have different priorities. One person might interptet al-Taquiyya to permit them to do what's needful - to denounce the Prophet and Allah in order to avoid being stoned by an angry mob, for example, but only in direct self-preservation or direct preservation of another. Another might perhaps interpret it as permitting the denouncement of Allah and the Prophet in order to gain access to an aircraft, because they believe it's necessary to gain access to and blow up a passenger aircraft to advance the cause of muslims everywhere. From their perspective, they'd be thinking of the bigger picture.
So, no. Asking people to denounce the Prophet of Islam wouldn't do you any good as it wouldn't necessarily reveal those you wanted to reveal - they'd perhaps consider it necessary to speak words other than those in their hearts. It would, however, probably reveal a lot of people of other faiths who believe it's inappropriate to denounce other faiths. Let's see, false-positives, false-negatives... not particularly useful.
Mandatory methamphetamine for TSA workers.
Problem solved for less than $0.25 a passenger.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
1) Abolish the TSA. The economy would be much better off giving these guys welfare instead of this boondoggle of a make-work program for the otherwise unemployable.
2) Have the airports provide their own security. They're the ones with the incentive to make the lines fast and hassle free.
3) Let the airlines arm their flight crew. But a pistol in the cabin and train the crew in its use.
4) Stop treating everyone like potential terrorists. Let me keep my shoes, 4 oz. tube of toothpaste, and the nail clippers I accidentally left in my pocket.
5) Profit!
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
Let the crew and passengers carry concealed weapons (under the normal rules for carrying them elsewhere).
The security check - if any airline wants to continue it - can be to make sure they are using ammunition that won't damage the plane or penetrate the cockpit door/bulkhead. B-)
Pity any hijackers that try to take a plane then. They'd be in the same situation as the idiot who tried to hold up the hotel desk at the hotel in Oregon where the NRA convention was being held - and the bulk of the convention-goers were taking advantage of Oregon's weapons-carry laws.
(For those of you who aren't familiar with this: One of the convention-goers noticed the action, quietly entered the restaurant, and recruited a bunch more. When the cops arrived it was like the scene at the end of The Blues Brothers - with the crook on the floor inside a thick circle of grinning NRA members all pointing their personal pistols at him, BEGGING the cops to take him away.)
Even if the passengers and/or crew have to actually shoot some hijackers the result would be less innocent life lost than in the fourth 9/11 plane (where the UNarmed passengers overpowered the hijackers - and the plane crashed in a farmer's field).
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Stop bullying other in the world (this includes paying all of Israel's military bills to take land from and bully the rest of its surrounding neighbors).
Their neighbors will stop being mad at them (and at us), and almost all the terrorism will stop.
And it will cost less than 25cents per passenger (heck, on a per passenger basis, it will even make money!).
This sounds to me like this firm wants to steal your ideas. i'd be very dubious if you'd ever see any money from this. you'd be better off opening a competitor to them and making millions from your invention, not a piss weak 1/2 mill.
If you mod me down, I will become more powerful than you can imagine....
Hell, these people are going to die anyway, I'm sure it couldn't be THAT hard to find someone to plant some C4 in your body. No x-rays, VERY little metal, and it takes very, very, little c4 to blow a hole in the side of a highly compressed fuselage... We're talking ounces. Takes the shoe bomb to the next level.
I've read Slashdot for the last 5 years, and now I start posting... Go figure
Is it just me? Didn't the original terrorists that crashed the planes into the twin towers meet TSA "standards"?
I've read Slashdot for the last 5 years, and now I start posting... Go figure
"Run it like a for profit business" Before 9-11, it was a for-profit business, and it was manned mostly by minimum-wage, no-job-security drones who let the box cutters on the planes, and partly by control freaks who enjoyed harassing people from behind a badge. "where the customer is the focus" Not gonna work. The people receiving the service (passengers) are not paying for the service directly enough for that feedback loop to function. Even when it was a for profit business, consumers didn't have a choice between paying more for shorter lines and polite screeners and paying less for delays and surly personnel. But consumers do have a choice. Accept poor service at a low price (scheduled airlines) or pay more and bypass the security hassle entirely: fractional jet ownership. Nod to the fellow behind the counter at the FBO, (Fixed Base Operator; the bizjet terminal) open the door to the ramp and walk out and up the steps of your own airplane. If you just fueled up at $4.50 a gallon, he'll probably carry your bags. You get what you pay for.
People are meant to be scanned. And besides, it would speed things up when you get beer and cigarettes.
I want my chip implanted in my eye so I light up like T2 when I get scanned.
I hereby grant everyone on Earth the right to fight over this idea in order to win the prize. May the best cyborg wannabe win.
Oh, and you can gaff hook us and swing us past the scanner to speed things up even more!
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Hell, hand out box cutters to every passenger. Sure, some people are gonna get hurt but no planes will be hijacked ever again.
That's not an issue - the problem of airplanes being hijacked and used as weapons was solved at 10:03 AM on 2001-09-11 over a field in Shanksville, PA.
'Average' Americans figured out the security equation just more than an hour after the first plane hit Tower 1.
Everything since is a distraction.
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Seriously, wouldn't that make sense? I mean, we're trying to prevent Islamic terrorism and, with very few exceptions, almost every Islamic terrorist is an Arab/Persian. If we're talking about ways to speed up the checkout lines at the airport, that seems like a pretty efficient way to do so. Send all non-Arab (or otherwise visibly Muslim) passengers through the standard metal detector quickly, and then make like 8% of the population go through the more rigorous searches. It's not polite, but it's damn effective, and makes a hell of a lot more sense than making old black ladies get anal probed by some TSA flunky.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/31/fly-naked-germans-offer-_n_84315.html
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the TSA is well inside the limits of the 4th Amendment as defined by the courts
The fifth amendment would seem to be more applicable. Here the Federal government is depriving the citizen of his liberties without due process, allowing him a trial by a jury of his peers for the taking of his liberties, as outlined by Hamilton as the requirement. They effectively say, "you must surrender your liberties... OK, here you can have them back - see, that wasn't so bad!". If one follows the 'law of the land' interpretation of 'due process', natural law arguments would also apply.
You gripe about the TSA at airports, in WWII they locked up Japanese Americans, in WWI and the Civil War they severely limited free speech, so this is really nothing.
Times changes - have you seen the Muslim interment camps? Thanks goodness, you haven't.
If you think it's unconstitutional then find yourself a good legal scholar, pay his fees and file yourself a lawsuit.
Down boy! The GP was giving his opinion, however well informed. He doesn't have the Shark icon next to his username.
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Yes, there WAS a plot to do that. It was an epic fail from the start and there's no reasons to keep the restrictions in place.
Why does it follow that because there was a failed plot to use liquid explosives that the idea is off the table?
As a practical matter, you can get enough binary explosive into a pen to take down an airplane, so the screening procedures are worthless, but I don't follow your argument.
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The system can only work if the majority are complacent.
So far all the complaining through 'mature' channels hasn't changed anything.
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Get actors to be 'pulled aside.'
No real customers get screened, nobody gets annoyed.
Everyone thinks that security is strict.
If everyone brings a hang gun and they hand out 1 9mm round each then everyone will be locked and loaded. If you subscribe to the theory that most people are good (and I do) then that's a lot of good people who are locked and loaded.
What these guys want is a way to get cash for the few willing to pay. Meanwhile, I have a way to speed the lines for all, and the cost is minimal. But because it helps regular passengers, is ridiculously simple to implement, and impossible to patent, they don't want it. Maybe the TSA will have a prize....
Allow checkin in secure locations like your local police station. Then have an armed escort via bus to the airport, where you can walk straight in. (Doesn't have to be the police station, anywhere meeting standards set out by the checkin requirement can do it.)
or outsource it to Mexico if you can afford 75 cents per passenger
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Verified Identity Pass, a firm that offers checkpoint services at airports, has announced a $500,000 award for any solution that will make airport security checks quicker and simpler for passengers.
Translation: "We can't figure out how to do our job, so we'll pay someone else to do it instead. Yet once they give us their idea, we won't offer them a job and we won't give them royalties. Instead, they get a single one-off payment and we get to milk the idea indefinitely."
This might work against hijackers, that is hijackers relying on box-cutters or other simple weapons. A hijackers who uses for instance a knockout gas would not be stopped.
It does nothing against a suicide bomber or indeed anyone who does NOT care if they get killed as long they can first complete their objective.
This is in fact one of the problems dealing with terrorists or crazies, the police is used to dealing with criminals who want to enjoy the fruits of their labour by remaining alive.
That hollywood shootout with the two bankrobbers in heavy armour showed the problem, no normal bankrobber would have done that. A normal criminal would just have surrendered rather then trust in a piece of clothing to stop a hail of bullets.
Your solution depends on that fact that the passengers have time to respond and are capable of responding when the bad guy acts.
Further problem, people have lost all sense of control before in aircraft, do you really think it is wise to give these people guns?
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Inspired on the Gatling gun but with passengers (or planes, depending the implementation method) instead of bullets.
Donate my prize to the EFF
I'd pay lots more than that to return to checking in thirty minutes before flight rather than the current three hours.
Make everyone fly naked...
When all is said and done, nothing changes...
If the people who saw him trying to light his shoe just thought he was trying to light a fart instead...
if ( terrorist == true)
{ arrest(); }
else
{ tip_hat();}
Can I has money now plz?
I am not a Muslim.
Thank you sir. Have a nice flight.
Everyone flys naked.
Catch a train. Or take a boat.
Those using pirated Tinysoft signatures(TM) are a real threat to society and should all be thrown in jail.
It's very easy, but the company won't like this, as it takes them out of the picture.
1) No airport security. Let anyone on the plane, with anything they like. (OK, that may be a bit too much. Do a quick search for idiots trying to carry idiotic things onto a plane, but don't stop the guy with a swiss army knife.)
2) Make it clear that if there is an attempted hijacking, the rules are no longer "obey", but "jump the son-of-a-bitch". Seriously. No one in their right mind will attempt a hijacking in the U.S. anymore. People will jump them, and likely kill them, before they get to the cockpit.
3) Make it clear that armed Federal Agents are aboard the plane, and will shoot anyone that attempts to hijack it. Problem being of course that no one knows who the Federal Agent is. Hell, there may NOT be a federal agent on board at all. Who wants to play dare?
That's it. Seriously. A quick'n'easy X-Ray will be able to detect any detonation device of significant risk. No need to take the laptop out of bag. That's all BS cooked up by the DHS and these "security" companies that want more money. These companies ARE THE FREAKIN' CAUSE of the bullshit security we have in place.
So why do they want to "fix" things now? Because a 15% speed increase for customers magically turns a 25cent/passenger profit for them? This is another 1)xxxx 2) yyyyy, 3)???? 4) Profit! scheme.
None of this would have happened were it not for 9-11. We were content to lob the occasional Tomahawk Missile at an aspirin factory in Africa (thanks Bill Clinton) until that day. But those fucking Muslims just had to keep sticking their finger in our collective eye until that one day when they finally crossed the line. Well, excuse me if I don't lose too much sleep over it.
Welcome to reality, sucker.
Do a cursory check for any timed/triggered explosives, and then anesthetize all passengers when they get on the plane. Not only would it prevent hijacking, the airlines would save a fortune on in-flight services.
1) Don't require people to take off their shoes. There's nothing people can hide in their shoes that they can't hide elsewhere.
2) Solve pipeline stalls. When one retard is slow or forgets his boarding pass, he blocks the entire pipeline going through security. Move him immediately out of the way and hand-search him, and keep the pipeline moving.
to 9/11: Clinton knew about the attempts to destroy the WTC- there was one on his watch, but, when Bush took office, he & Rice flatly refused to listen the warnings, vene refusing to meet with the outgoing administration's people. and the warnings were dire, and coming not only from Clinton's crew, but from the international community as well. But, true to from, Bush, in his "I'm am not going listen to you I know better than you because I am better than you" form, ignored it all, and look what Bush caused. All it would have taken would be a heightened security alert at check in, and the attack would have never happened. A simple empty your pockets & check that carry one was all it would have taken. It is so simple, and yet, Bush caused the deaths of thousands by his pride & negligence. And I would bet that 90% of America cannot tell you why the WTC was attacked: it was because America had troops on Saudi holy soil and Bin Laden believed that American troops should not be there. Please note that right after 9/11, Bush removed American troops from Saudi Arabia. Think how different it would have been if the troops were removed before 9/11. No attack... That said, Bush created this climate of fear and has manipulated it for profit & power. The "terrorist" thing is a paper tiger- a boogie man. Bin Laden has accomplished his goals. America has destroyed itself and has more to fear from domestic terrorists than from International ones.
Republican leadership = Idiocracy
I nominate the Monty Python Security system consisting of a troll at the security checkpoint
1) What is your name?
2) What is your destination?
3) What is the airpseed velocity of an unladen swallow?
C'mon, how many Al Qaeda extremists know the correct answer to #3? Some of them might even get confused on #2 "World Trade Ce....AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH..." hehehe...
...in bed
All passengers should be waterboarded until they tell where that tube of shampoo is!
Why not this?
Allow people to apply for some kind of security clearance
Once application is made, the government scopes you out and then will grant or deny clearance
The people with this clearance get some form of ID and then can get processed quickly in a speed lane at the security checkpoint
You can still have them walk through metal detectors - but none of the "take your shoes off" or "get your ID and tickets out" bullshit that gums up the works
The vast majority of travelers would qualify for this preferential treatment
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Not to be too much of a nit-picker but it's called mass spectrometry, not mass spectroscopy. Spectroscopic studies refer to studying the interaction of light with matter. Mass spectrometry used to use photographic plates to record the ion beam, thats why it was called spectroscopy, but that was back in the dark ages........
Have the terminal checkers carry Ak47's. Bullets are way cheaper per person
Now we have to tackle the fear of binary explosives.
Yeah, no kidding.
There are some fabulously powerful binary explosives, poor terrorists excluded. The amount needed to bring down a plane is smaller than we can screen for. It can fit inside a pen. Or shoved up somebody's netherregions.
So, unless we're willing to do away with all carry-ons and MRI everybody before boarding, we're just wasting all of our time and money. Lots of it.
I know a guy who used to work with large bombs for the military. They have electronic detonators and are quite stable otherwise. From what I gather, these guys would sit around the munitions warehouses playing cards (apparently, being in the reserves is about getting away with as much card playing as possible) and invariably, a New Guy would be there, and somebody would drop something in the warehouse, maybe even a bomb, and the New Guy would be under the table.
All the rest of the guys would bust up laughing. New Guy asks, "why aren't you guys afraid?" Answer: "Because if you've heard the bomb hit the floor you've survived."
Same way with binary explosives on a plane. If a terrorist is successful on a plane I'm on, I'll never know it. Let's get back to worrying about planes crashing due to microbursts and wind shear, where we at least have a handful of seconds to know we're going down!
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First we need to slow them down. A fully laden airliner has immense kinetic energy - they shouldn't be allowed to travel faster than 100 mph.
Next we need to tackle the altitude problem: a plane falling from 39,000 feet is going to destroy itself and whatever it lands on. Remove the wings.
The next problem is steering: even at 100 mph a grounded plane can be a dangerous weapon. They should only be allowed to follow predetermined paths.
The final problem is size: a modern airliner puts hundreds of soft, squishy civilians in a small target area. Instead of one large cabin we should have a series of interconnected but self-contained cabins.
The result is a new concept in air travel: the Terrorist-Resistant Airline Innovation Module, or TRAIN. I have several patents pending on this invention - please feel free to contact me about licensing.
for all the stupid shit we have to do to go through airport security, ive never understood whats to stop someone from putting enough C4 up their ass to explode the plane.
hopefully the tsa arent reading this, i dont want anal search to become routine.
Seriously, if you're really that paranoid about the terrorists coming to get you, you can fly the airline with the anal probe policy. I'd rather fly an airline that had no checks at all and would let me bring a gun on the plane (not that I would bother). They could put sensors on the cockpit door where, if breached, turns the plane over to FAA remote control. If you make it impossible to take control of the plane, then target-wise, we're not talking about anything more than a bus bombing.
This also goes for bullshit FAA rules about boarding and departing the plane. If my plane is stuck on the runway for hours, then I want that door open so we can wait outside. Being stuck on the runway for 5 hours in those tiny seats with no leg room is pure torture and it's brought to me by my government. Terrorists, schmerrorists, I'd rather risk death once in a while than suffer through government bureaucracy every time I want to get from point A to point B. This is suppose to be the land of the brave, why is it run by a bunch of pussies?
I think this is a horrible contest to enter if you have any ideas that are actually good. While the applicants maintains ownership of any intellectual property submitted. They give up the rights to charge Clear for any kind of use. If you are the winner that may not be such a big deal with the prize money offered, but all entries are able to be used by Clear, not just the winner's. This reminds me of a contest a while back with Limp Bizkit. You could jam with Limp, anybody could, but you had to bring your own music; and you signed over intellectual rights to anything you brought. This is just a scheme by an unimaginative corporation to take advantage of a gifted inventor.
How about some statistics over the number of potential attacks prevented by making people take of their shoes and lift their feet in the air?
The current airport security policies in the US are not only inefficient ineffective, but also humiliating.
A prize for stating the obvious is simply stupid.
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