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Ubuntu Brainstorm Launched
thorwil writes "Brainstorm is a new site where everyone can submit and vote on ideas for Ubuntu. It's inspired by Dell's Ideastorm. By default, you see the ideas submitted by the community sorted by popularity. Each idea is accompanied by arrows so you can vote it up or down (you have to log in first). You can only click once per idea. So this is an easy way to submit ideas and see what people are really wanting."
I vote for a better web server.
and go test it out and offer my, informed, $0.02.
... my head hurts.
But you bastards slashdotted it. Now I'm mad. But I don't really have a reason to because if it weren't for slashdot I wouldn't even know it exists. Yet since I think it's an awesome but can't access it to check it out I hate you all.
So yeah
First post ?
Once I can get to it, I know what I'll be doing this evening :-)
What an excellent idea.
If I had an Ass, I'd call it Fanny Bottom, then I could slap my Ass; Fanny Bottom, on the Arse.
This is superficially a good idea, until you realize that it's the slashdot crowd that will come out and vote on features. Soon enough, Ubuntu will release its latest version and we will reap the harvest we have sown. Ubuntu 8: HomerCar
1.) Upgrade servers.
And the masses cried out, "09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0!"
All those ideas are fine, but requires huge work from developers/testers/doc writers/etc. In fact, infrastructure, framework (a la NetworkManager and GST) are all there, just integrate it in sensible way!
Also, I am kinda worried that this web site will atract just geeks, and geeks have very very different values and thoughts about program choice as common users. Also requests to replace sensible defaults or default beahivour should be taken with grant of salt.
Anyway, nothing new, but it is nice to have it. Let's hope some features requested there will be rolled out in Ubuntu/Kubuntu 8.10.
user@ubuntubox:~$ stfu This server is going down for shutdown NOW!
"4. Implement WPA support."
Ubuntu does have WPA support. The only times I fail to see WPA show up in the wireless options is if my wireless card doesn't support it.
google.slashdot
This is more of a way to see what people who will register yet another account on some website are really wanting, not people in general.
Woa dude, I couldn't get Ubuntu to break that hard even if I tried, and I even call myself a sysadmin.
"We Didn't Start the Firehose"
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
Sometimes its so simple, that you can't do anything. Why doesnt the disk util applet show LVM drives mounted? Why is there no GUI LVM interface?
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
That was what, less than an hour?
apt-get aircrack-ng and crack away
The problem is, while a person can be smart, the masses are stupid. I am willing to bet if you were to follow the most popular ideas on this project, you'll end up with something that feels an awful lot like Windows.
"When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back!" -- Cave Johnson
Worst troll ever, yet here I am feeding it:
1. If the bootloader fails to install, the computer isn't bricked, just without a bootloader. And what did you expect? If the bootloader fails to install, install a bootloader? Nonsense.
2. That is most certainly not required. I assume you are familiar with how to switch to a virtual terminal, or at least with booting into a lower, gui-less, runlevel.
3. Don't know what could be the cause of your problem here, but if we're going with anecdotal evidence I'll trow in that I've never seen that happen.
4. Are you for real? Do you really think nobody has implemented WPA support?
5 & 6. Again, can't comment on your situation, but I'll include some anecdotal evidence once more: I once had a router issue while installing, and installed an extremely minimalist system without any problems whatsoever.
If you're having problems installing, you could always try the alternate install CD; I hear it works better in some cases.
Of what 'we' have sewn.
I like how you didn't have time to wipe the disk before, but you DID think "Hmm, maybe I should change all my passwords before throwing away this perfectly good 200GB harddrive in a blind rage?"
Seriously, you fail at Google. It's as simple as that.
Blog -
Are everyone on Slashdot failing to see what's new here?
Ubuntu has reached a kind of critical mass never before seen for any distro - they have far more non-technical users, far wider participation in the Forums and a great attitude towards newcomers.
The problem is - so far there has been no place except the forums for non-techies to participate and make their voices heard. I see four main categories of users:
1. Developers. If they see a problem, they can code a patch if necessary.
2. Technical users - these can test alpha and beta releases, and help locate bugs etc.
3. Non-technical but internet-savvy users - if they report an issue, it's often a big, missing feature (like, "I want my webcam to work")
4. Users that won't comment online in any case.
There is currently no place for the third category. Dell realized that, and it's really a shame that the FOSS community took this long to realize that there is a need for structured feedback from category three.
Kudos to Ubuntu, I wish them all luck with this initiative. Dell's ideastorm has been a success because Dell has actually listened to the community there. Let's hope Canonical etc. has the resources to fulfill some of the wishes of the community.
Er, wpa_supplicant should work just fine regardless of your card....
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Ubuntudupe, is that you?
You can't talk about Wikipedia's flaws on Wikipedia
Wow!
In order to compile you need to install the dependencies which is very easy. I've been a power user of Linux since -95 and have checked out something like 100 distributions and O/S's.
Sometimes you get stomped because you have no idea of what you are doing. Things are so different that it simply does not make sense.
However, what saves the day just about every single time. Including your problem is Google!
In fact I ran into needing to compile something under Kubuntu a few days ago, on a remote server without X.
A quick google showed exactly the line to execute which installed the needed files. Ubuntu/Kubuntu has an extensive library of how to do things and when that fails someone has either put up instruction on a web page or in a forum. Being new to Linux and all it can be a total barrier to accomplish things. Spending a little time to get familiar with your new environment would have saved you a lot of headache, never mind 200GB.
Had perfectly working WPA enterprise support via Network Manager in Feisty. Then it broke in Gutsy. Still works via wpasupplicant, but that gets messy (I need to run a script and reboot to switch between WPA at work and open access at home).
"I think it would be a good idea" Gandhi, on Western Civilisation
Ah, where's the -100 Lame mod when you really, really, *REALLY* need it?
Fortunately, taking out the trash is one of your chores in exchange for still living with your mom, so you should still be able to go retrieve it. Next time you might try thinking to resolve your failures.
Seriously? This is a great OS, which I (English major, with no previous Linux experience) got up and working in a day with no help except Google. It's so many different kinds of cool that I don't know where to begin. And you're bitching about the colour? Can you really not be bothered to make a few clicks to get a different scheme?
A closed mouth gathers no foot.
Dude, he wasn't talking about Wi-Fi Protected Access, he was talking about Windows Product Activation!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Product_Activation
Reviewing just the first hour of video games.
you could always just, oh i dont know, use kubuntu, xubuntu, or even fluxbuntu or *gasp* just not use any of them and roll your own
Agreed, i reckon it should be 50% bug fixing, 20% tweaking, 20% hardware fixing, 10% new features! But then again that's likely to stagnate and stop development, but i completely agree that new features arn't really needed maybe finishing what they're started
1) use upstart instead of having it in legacy mode
2) use splashy instead of usplash
apart from that the only improvements i can think of are manly to do with setting features up (e.g having a compiz plugin installer or automated scripts to do the 'cool' stuff people show off on the forums).
p.s Its a shame the site died as id like to check they made their scope clear, too many times have i seen suggestions of a new program or an improvement to another program.
IranAir Flight 655 never forget!
I'm glad I found out about this site from reading /. I have some free time for the next couple of months and have recently started looking for interesting projects I can contribute to. Hopefully once the article falls off /.'s front page, I may even be able to browse the site and see what people are most interested in!
I've always been a big Debian fan but lately have been installing Ubuntu/Kubuntu on everything. Friends, family, and anyone coming to me for help because they are frustrated with their current OS are much more receptive to Ubuntu (and more so Kubuntu) than other distros I've attempted to convert them to. A couple of previous posters have mentioned that a site like this will mostly be visited by sysadmin types, that want things normal users don't, and I believe that's a valid point. My hope is that Ubuntu stays the course and doesn't fall into the trap of trying to please everyone, do everything.
I think I will forward the URL of this site to everyone I've converted over and suggest to them to sign up and voice their opinions. I just hope the top items aren't things the normal folk don't understand or care about.
They pushed back the release of the new theme to 8.10. People on the Ubuntu-Art list are pretty much against changing the orange/brown color scheme.
You know this isn't the Ubuntu Brainstorm server, right?
No wonder you failed, no sane person would try to feed an executable into GCC.
Yeah, but you killed it and so have to suffer my opinions instead...
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Granted, I don't know to what extent they're using this to drive their development, but...
Most people seem to be commenting that if just suggestions drive their development, the end result will be terrible. That's probably true. But often as a developer you just have no real idea if implementing X, which is on your to-do list, is a feature people even care about, wheras people may really care about implementing Y, another item you know you can take care of but just haven't gotten around to.
Ubuntu's target group includes mainly non-expert users who don't compile stuff, and expert users who can be expected to know what to do to compile stuff. Thus there is no libc6-dev by default to save space on the installer CD, to help facilitate the complete install from one CD. You just need to install build-essentials. Google has a page full of hits with straight solutions if you search for "ubuntu can't compile executables".
"When I first heard Daydream Nation it quite frankly scared the living shit out of me." -- Matthew Stearns
I thought it had something to do with Ubuntu supporting that Lego Brainstorm stuff. Or is that product not even around anymore? Still, turned what could've been an interesting article to the crapper - that and the site already being unavailable.
"build-essential" (singular), sorry. n/t (stupid slashdot won't let me post w/o body text)
"When I first heard Daydream Nation it quite frankly scared the living shit out of me." -- Matthew Stearns
Been running Gentoo for years. Decided to put my lappy on Ubuntu to save compile time. WPA would not work like it has for a long time and couldn't override the stupid defaults. Easier to rebuild Gentoo from scratch. End of story.
Shit, earth, tree bark, yeah. Half the world is brown. How can you stand that?
"When I first heard Daydream Nation it quite frankly scared the living shit out of me." -- Matthew Stearns
Actually, build-essentials is on the installer cd--it's just not installed by default. You can install it while running the LiveCD to compile whatever. I used it to compile the kernel module for my winmodem before installation of the OS proper.
Work seems to be on its way: http://www.canonical.com/projects/landscape. No word on licensing though, but I trust Canonical so far, and non-free would kill their cred anyway, and so is unlikely.
"When I first heard Daydream Nation it quite frankly scared the living shit out of me." -- Matthew Stearns
I love Ubuntu's long-term support (LTS) versions for grandma and "aunt tillie" because they don't need/want to upgrade the whole OS every 6 months. (Myself, I like the bleeding edge.)
But I'd like to be able to upgrade one LTS version to the next without having to do either the intermediate upgrades or a wipe-install. I know that would require a lot of testing, but for a lot of users who rely on the LTS release it would be a godsend.
[I don't have my finger on the pulse of Ubuntu, so if they've added this already don't flame me TOO much.]
build-essentials is on the installer cd--it's just not installed by default.
Ah ok, thanks for the correction. Any idea why it is not installed then? It seems kind of pointless if it's on the CD anyway.
"When I first heard Daydream Nation it quite frankly scared the living shit out of me." -- Matthew Stearns
Dirt and bark. That sounds like the desolation of winter where there is no green because
all of the leaves died and fell off the trees.
Plenty of people get clinical depression from nothing more than having to look at that sort of landscape for 3 months.
Dunno about you but my part of the planet tends to be green.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Poss'blee because it's another thing to get in the way of causing too much mischief if someone is trying to break into your box. If they already have restricted access, having a compiler available probably makes it a lot easier to root it (IANAcracker but the reasoning seems pretty straightforward). That was the reasoning I read before anyway - not for Ubuntu specifically, just for only installing what you actually need onto your system to reduce possible attack vectors.
which is totally what she said
You can whine about the Ubuntu Forums all you want, but all you did there was insult people and refuse to try anything they told you. If a bootloader install fails, you need bootable media to recover it. End of story. You refused to get any bootable media to restore a functionning bootloader. It took you a week to get to that point, where everyone would be at least back up in Windows in under 5 minutes.
Also, the Bootloader is not Ubuntu's, it's GNU Grub and it's used by almost all Linux distributions nowadays. If it was that flaky, a lot less people would be using Linux.
You're simply a bad troll who thinks he knows more about computers than he actually does.
"Not to mention all the idiots who use words like boxen."
Anonymous Coward on Monday August 04, @06:49PM
Segmentation fault. Ore dumped.
Ubuntu is just Debian with some lip gloss. If you were the type to
use Usenet directly rather than through a web front end, this would
be appallingly obvious.
Although I can't say I've seen this sort of problem myself. OTOH,
I wouldn't be slowed down much by it either even if I did run into
it myself.
Not all old timers are senile.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
The funniest part of this troll is that you've been using Linux for 10 years, yet fail to notice that there's a pre-built Synergy package available in Universe.
apt-get install synergy was all you had to do and it would've simply worked. Instead, you found out the hard way that Ubuntu doesn't install -dev packages that contain the header files/libs needed to compile programs and instead of looking to see if there was a package that installed all the needed packages in 1 apt-get command, you installed every -dev package 1 by 1.
I don't believe you actually scrapped a drive or that this happened though, just a bad troll.
"Not to mention all the idiots who use words like boxen."
Anonymous Coward on Monday August 04, @06:49PM
... refocus efforts on fixing stuff that's supposed to work instead of creating new stuff that doesn't work, and I'm not talking about obscure hardware drivers for devices that nobody uses.
Try WICD...I've found it to be the best network manager for Ubuntu - it even supports WPA2. You can check out the how-to here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202834&highlight=wicd Mike
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You think LA is big compared to central US country, Siberia, Africa, et al.?
"When I first heard Daydream Nation it quite frankly scared the living shit out of me." -- Matthew Stearns
Dunno about you but my part of the planet tends to be green.
Year but there's a lot of brown everywhere if you open your eyes. Anyway, it's also the color of wood, people don't seem opposed to live in that.
"When I first heard Daydream Nation it quite frankly scared the living shit out of me." -- Matthew Stearns
I generally can't tell the difference between the things I don't like on my beloved Fedora vs. similar issues on friend's Ubuntu systems. Come on, people. The religion is Linux.
Definitely, drop Evolution.
Replace with XFCE and Claws. Or simply make Kubuntu the default, it's impressively snappy and sparing on memory in comparison.
What on earth were they thinking making Evolution core to the Gnome desktop?
I know. Evolution is a total hog.
But what on earth are you thinking wanting to make Claws core?
Replace Claws with mutt. It's impressively snappy and sparing on memory in comparison.
There's no place like
Very similar to Open suse's webpage called Idea Pool: http://idea.opensuse.org/. Last June opensuse and Novell stopped their normal work for a week to work on their favorite ideas from the idea pool. I hope they do it again as My idea was not selected :(.
No, but you seem to, the way you assumed that I live in LA :-P
Actually, I live in Warsaw, Poland, and there's a small forest nearby. So maybe I was just joking while using either green or brown themes.
Segmentation fault. Ore dumped.
I think this is a bad idea. Theres going to be people asking for Ubuntu to be more like another distribution in whatever way. Many Ubuntu fanboys will give this idea a "thumbs down" because Ubuntu is, according to them, the very best distribution, and you can't change their mind because they are devoted to it for some reason. Many Linux users are absolutely devoted to their distribution, which I do not understand. They are so devoted, they think they should trash every other distribution for the benefit of the distribution they are so devoted to. Its all Linux, so its all good.
no need, it already passed WGA: http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.ars/2007/06/18/ubuntu-now-even-more-windows-user-friendly
Sigs are too short to say anything truly profound so read the above post instead.
The corollary to what you wrote is what I see on mailing lists frequently. As an example:I don't use Ubuntu, but I recall they offer some form of a Handbook that contains just about everything the average user needs to know. Alternatively, Luke, use the source with something along the following lines (for the "I'm Feely Lucky" crowd):
man -k wireless | while read f; do man $(echo ${f%%\(*}); done
The best way, I think, to thank those who go to the effort to write documentation is to read what they wrote. You might even learn something.
First rule of programming: Don't listen to your users.
The package may be on the CD, but it would still take up almost twice as much space to have it also installed on the compressed filesystem. They have to fit a runnable linux and an installer on those CDs, you know. The only remaining option is to install things into the running live distro from the installer portion, which the GP apparently did.
Which makes me wonder even more vociferously how Ubuntu can manage to make Live CDs that are so much more useful (to me) than Knoppix (which doesn't have the "need to save some space for packages") The latest one, Gutsy, recognizes my wireless card right out of the box, and simply asks me for the pass phrase. I fiddled with knoppix for an hour (each, CD and DVD), running between the computer I was testing on and the computer that actually connected to the internet before giving up on it, especially as Ubuntu Live had everything I needed. I'm sure it's possible to do, it just wasn't easy (for me). Also, the GUI wasn't nearly as smooth as Ubuntu. I'm geek enough that I'll probably try again next major revision, though.
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This one is especially good!
All credit goes to Jdong who compiled this list for meSemi-automatic amateur armchair Australian philosopher; conjecture ready at any moment...
How come I had to read about this on slashdot?? I work at UF all day long and never caught wind of this....
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Cannot access their website. Anyway, it probably wants me to jerk around with sudo-passwards before it fails again...
Yeah. And drop emacs in favour of ed. And ls in favour of dir. And pirates in favour of ninjas. Yeah man, you think you want a holy war, but can you hack it?
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See, I know what you're thinking, punk. You're thinking, did he logon to six virtual consoles or only five? Well to tell you the truth, I forgot myself in all this excitement. But being as this is enlightenment 0.16.8.11, the most stable release of enlightenment in the world and will blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself a question: do I feel lucky? Well do ya, punk?
I don't therefore I'm not.
I agree with you -- Dell seemed at first to be earnestly giving Ubuntu a shot, but now they've set the features and pricing so that you'd almost be a fool not to buy a Windows box instead (and install Ubuntu on it after of course).
You're talking about Canadian laptops, I'm talking about US desktops. They only offer one CPU (E2160), and a Vista box with better specs can almost always be had for the same or less. That's especially true since there are often special offers on Windows boxes, but I've never seen the equivalent for Ubuntu.
I mean, it *is* still awesome that I can order an Ubuntu system from Dell knowing that the hardware will just work. But hey Dell -- where are my Ubuntu cost savings?
It'd be nice if you were able to pick the default color every time you create a new account.
And you're right, I totally changed my theme to pink almost immediately.
This Brainstorm idea is pretty useless. As if just thinking of it would make it so...but it doesn't.
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Since it seems that a lot of ppl here like using ubuntu. So I just installed it...for about 10 minutes. Ubuntu blows.
You let me down
Which brings me to another thing...why is this on slashdot. It's certainly not current, and it's neither news nor is it interesting.
You let me down again
How about I blog about it and link to that in a submission? Yeah, I think that's news.
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https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades#head-e7f287c730b93116f89de7ea7e05efbe95fa6dd1
Remember, Hardy is still alpha software.
LTS to LTS upgrades have always been part of the plan, and LTS without it, really doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/faq (scroll down to "Enterprise Release" which is marketspeak for LTS)
Clones are people two.
Good point, but they could install the package from the CD after the system is installed to HD. I didn't ask for it being available in the Live CD
"When I first heard Daydream Nation it quite frankly scared the living shit out of me." -- Matthew Stearns
Ah, jokes, yeah I heard about them ;)
"When I first heard Daydream Nation it quite frankly scared the living shit out of me." -- Matthew Stearns
http://www.zombieapocalypse.tv/
I gave them mine. It is not just me; but, it is the reason that students at many universities in China can not even consider using Ubuntu, or any other Linux (the other reason is games).
**** Quoted letter***
In China there is a common program used to restrict network access called "Ruijie Supplicant." The Linux client provided by this company does not work and they are not interested in fixing it.
Without this client software Ubuntu simply can not be used on many campuses in China. The solution offered by campus technical support is to provide a pirated copy of windows. There simply is no way to connect to the network without this client and the client does not exist for Ubuntu.
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I must say, I'm very excited at the prospect. I signed up there and started voting on features, and it's great to see that people are banding together like this. I haven't really articulated my opinions on Ubuntu thus far (I've been using it since September last year), but the ones I do have, I've articulated in comments where helpful. Cheers to the admins of Brainstorm. I foresee myself whittling away all sorts of time there from now on.
I wouldn't run KDE on ubuntu either however I use it on my Asus eee and it is a great, well integrated desktop environment.
Overall the eee makes ubuntu look sloppy.
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Do you really want to assert that Ubuntu is "linux for idiots" at the same time as publicly announcing how you failed to even make the compiler run? There are a lot of "idiots" out there who manage this without difficulty, or perhaps after reading the docs to clear up any questions. There is no "any" key!
I suppose it's a good thing. If all you can complain about is the colour, then there isn't much to complain about.
I would guess that you would obviously be modded troll/redundant or something.
But you are so right!
I was a Gnome user since the start, but, at least in Ubuntu it really sucks in user experience, and performance. It really seems like a heartless corporate desktop. I tried Xubuntu (not bad) and now I am at Kubuntu, which is more than fine.
Kubuntu should be the standard Ubuntu, really.
And yes, Evolution is bad, but to be honest I went back to pine, as Thunderbird is also a bit lacking. Kmail didn't caught me also.
Note that I am not a KDE troll, far from it, I was a Gnome user for most of my life, but at least in Ubuntu, KDE is a much better experience.
Anybody know if Canonical will (or have) release the source code for Brainstorm? Or is this to be like Launchpad - you know, proprietary.
Granted it's just a web-site but I can think of several projects that could do with something similar and it would seem to be in the spirit of ubuntu.
Just wondering.
No, you can't change people with software.
Do you know why Lotus 1-2-3 lost out to Excel? Because while Lotus was busy adding in all kinds of advanced mathematical and financial functions, alternate layouts, and basically tons of things for the super-advanced Lotus user, Microsoft decided to go a different route and actually ask people what they used Excel for.
The answer? People used Excel for making lists. So instead of adding all the difficult, prone to bugginess, and hard-to-user features that Lotus was working on, Excel added features to make creating lists easier. Autofill, for instance, and Auto-Format.
Because Microsoft learned this lesson, people use Excel every day (both for lists, and the advanced stuff 1-2-3 was doing), and Lotus 1-2-3 is in the history books.
The instant the open source community figures out that THE USER IS KING, the sooner open source will become popular with the general public.
1) A usability problem is a bug. Period.
2) It doesn't matter whether a user is using your program for the "right" purpose (doing large complex spreadsheet), or for the "wrong" purpose (creating lists, as a mini-database), it should work for them. I can't tell you how many times I've asked "what's why can't open source product A do X?" only to get the reply "you shouldn't be doing X." (Most recently, when I asked about a open source alternative to Microsoft Project.)
Since I'm on the topic, here are some recent usability bugs I've entered for a couple open source projects, all of which have been completely ignored:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1865630&group_id=95717&atid=612382
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1865624&group_id=95717&atid=612382
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391461
There's a long way to go. That Inkscape bug (the SourceForge "artifact" has been made private, whatever the fuck an "artifact" is) is a good example of a huge "wow this computer's stupid" bug that has been around for ages.
http://schend.net/images/screenshots/alphabetical_disorder.png
Cheers.
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To me, the "default" desktop background is the one I choose when I set up my machine. The notion of just accepting what's there never occurs to me.
I don't see what's so bad about brown. All my default desktop background choices are sorta brown, anyway. "Flesh" is sort of brown, isn't it?
Well, maybe not. There's usually a lot of pink involved, too.
Stop voting for 'Elect Ron Paul!'.
Then again, most people don't turn on their monitors to stare at bark, also bark tends to have less...orange to it, at least with the older trees. Why not something more lively? While on the subject of trees, they could add a nice green to it, leaving only some of the brown. Perhaps a darker brown and some red, like autumn leaves. Better yet, why not change the default theme each stable release? Change is good and they have several months to think of a new look.
If you're trying to make a distro all things to all people, put more thought into the look as well as the functionality.
I just read Slashdot for the articles.
I've seen lots of people run into that "C compiler cannot create executables" message and get confused.
Autoconf (which i'm not a fan of) checks if the C compiler can create executables. When it fails the real error message is burried deep in a log file while what is shown to the screen is completely unhelpfull. The cause is something that would be rather non obvious to someone who is not used to linux (the reason is that the compiler and linker are packaged seperately and without a linker you can't create executables, i'm not sure why the compiler doesn't depend on the linker but I suspect there is some good reason for it).
note: i'm known as plugwash most places but i screwd up registering that here somehow in the past and now can't register
I'm tired of waiting for fsck to force run every 30 boots or having to disable it otherwise. Autofsck needs to be at a minimum included in the repositories and at best be mandatory on a desktop install.
Occam's razor is the blind faith in the natural selection of least resistance and in universal oversimplification. -- EF
Well yeah, that "only remaining option" was if you want the tool to be available in the live boot. In theory, they could fit even more tools on the live-cd by installing almost everything into the live environment from the installer "side" (and thus, avoiding the duplication) but that would make booting to live a very painful process.
Can you be Even More Awesome?!
They seem to update the theme for ever Long Term Support release, i.e., every 18 months or so. Fine with me. 8.04 (Hardy) will have an all-new theme, but none if it has landed in the alphas yet AFAICT.
Regarding a darker brown: earlier Ubuntus actually were like that, but childish people with anal issues bitched about it until they turned it into caramel-like as it is now.
Re turning on their monitors to stare at bark: maybe, but as I wrote in another reply, plenty of people furnish their houses and apartments using wood, to live in it, so I really don't see the issue people have with brown.
In any case, plenty of themes are installed to choose from.
"When I first heard Daydream Nation it quite frankly scared the living shit out of me." -- Matthew Stearns
Apparently, you fail at reading comprehension. I did get the compiler to work. I got a bunch of other crippled stuff to work too. I just got fed up after spending all that time to make Ubuntu usable only to have flash bork firefox completely. I had enough at that point. After all the lavish praise that has been piled on this distro, I expected more. I got less.
Thx for the insight.
"When I first heard Daydream Nation it quite frankly scared the living shit out of me." -- Matthew Stearns
yeah I'm so dumb I never have any trouble compiling executables in Ubuntu. I'm also so dumb that I can find synergy precompiled in the repos. I like being dumb because stuff works and I don't have to throw good hardware in the trash during temper tantrums (I'm also too dumb to have temper tantrums).
The site looks good, and I like the idea.
Does anybody know what software package Brainstorm is running on? Is this an open source software itself?
Can I have the drive?
Menus: Linux=function, Windows=vendor, OS X=as little as possible. Makes a statement, don't you think?
Unfortunately, Ubuntu's WPA support in this regard is a little bit hit-and-miss... You see, the problem is that Ubuntu always passes WPA. Clearly, at least to those who have worked extensively in Windows environments, this is not the way WPA was designed to work. WPA is supposed to generate a false negative from time to time.
Menus: Linux=function, Windows=vendor, OS X=as little as possible. Makes a statement, don't you think?
... somewhere visibly on one of the main Ubuntu pages.
These images (for Mac PPC, Playstation PS3 and IBM POWER hardware) are kept current by the community, and they are right here:
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/7.10/release/
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/releases/7.10/release/
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ports/releases/7.10/release/
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/ports/releases/7.10/release/
And no, linking there shouldn't be an issue for a "brainstorm" submission.