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Jack Thompson's Letter To Take-Two Exec's Mother

debatem1 writes "Apparently, anti-violent-video-games crusader Jack Thompson is at it again, this time writing a letter to the mother of Strauss Zelnick, Chairman of Take-Two, the company that produces the GTA series of video games. In it he compares Zelnick to a member of the Hitler Youth, advocates beating the young Zelnick, and contemplates the existence of a Ted Bundy merit badge for boy scouts."

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  1. Like herpes by mikesd81 · · Score: 5, Funny

    He's like herpes. The symptoms go away, but it really never goes away.

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    1. Re:Like herpes by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny
      If I were Zelenik, the next iteration of GTA would have a character that looked exactly like Jack Thompson that a little old lady blows away with an Uzi.

      Just a thought.

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    2. Re:Like herpes by mikesd81 · · Score: 3, Informative

      How fast you think it would take for him to file a lawsuit? I'd settle for the ability to blow up "Law offices of JT and partners".

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    3. Re:Like herpes by mikesd81 · · Score: 5, Funny
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    4. Re:Like herpes by eebra82 · · Score: 4, Funny

      He would also make an excellent GTA hooker since you'd most definitely feel obliged to blow his brains out after the session, thus getting the $5 back.

    5. Re:Like herpes by daffmeister · · Score: 1

      On my screen the first line came out as:

      "have a character that looked exactly like Jack Thompson that a little old lady blows"

      Now that'd be sticking it to him.

    6. Re:Like herpes by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'd say he's more like syphilis: if you don't get your JT infection treated it will eventually turn your brain into Jell-O.

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    7. Re:Like herpes by neight108 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, in GTA IV, you kill a lawyer and right before he dies he says, "Guns don't kill people. Video games do."

    8. Re:Like herpes by Bastard+of+Subhumani · · Score: 1

      Hasn't he been disbarred (or something) from doing that?

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    9. Re:Like herpes by Dekker3D · · Score: 1

      you'd give him five bucks?

      i'd give him two, and skip the session. grab a shotgun, BLAM! ... then again, that electro-gun from gta2 sounds like more fun >:D

    10. Re:Like herpes by Mysteerie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I bilieve from only filing his own lawsuits. It doesn't mean he can get another lawyer to file a lawsuit for him. Though don't know if any other laywer would want to touch him. Anyways this was my understanding, could be wrong.

    11. Re:Like herpes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many people actually recognize Thomson? With the possibility of a lawsuit, it ain't worth it. It may be more fun to do away with a parody of Thomson, though. It gets the message across but lawsuit-safe.

    12. Re:Like herpes by Kinky+Bass+Junk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He is actually featured in GTA IV. And yes, you do get to kill him.

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    13. Re:Like herpes by amirulbahr · · Score: 5, Funny

      Miami attorney Jack Thompson, however, claims that heâ(TM)s depicted in the game and wants out.

      You mean it is not the Aussie actor Jack Thompson?? This whole time I swear I thought it was the actor. All these fucking years I just assumed it was the same Jack Thompson until I actually for once in my life RTFA. All the jokes about the Aussie actor and I still didn't get it, I though it was him.

      Let that be a lesson to all you kids out there: RTFA!

    14. Re:Like herpes by Agent__Smith · · Score: 1

      Jack Thompson sucks the sweat off a dead man's balls.

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    15. Re:Like herpes by rwwyatt · · Score: 1

      Yeah, It is an extremely apt comparison. Thibgs start out really nice, and as time rolls on you develop this burning feeling that will never quite go away (or so I have been told!).

    16. Re:Like herpes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      you have offended the makers of Jell-O by saying that Jell-O is the end result of a Jack Thompson infection. Please retract your statement imediately or face a lawsuit

    17. Re:Like herpes by EdelFactor19 · · Score: 1

      didnt they already do this?

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    18. Re:Like herpes by Hack'n'Slash · · Score: 1

      Umm, I hate to ask, but why would there be sweat on a dead man's balls??

    19. Re:Like herpes by Agent__Smith · · Score: 1

      Umm, I hate to ask, but why would there be sweat on a dead man's balls?? You will have to ask Jack Thompson...
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    20. Re:Like herpes by JanneM · · Score: 4, Funny

      Thomson is an animatronic Jack Chick tract.

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    21. Re:Like herpes by _KiTA_ · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If I were Zelenik, the next iteration of GTA would have a character that looked exactly like Jack Thompson that a little old lady blows away with an Uzi.


      Just a thought.

      Supposedly GTA4 has/had a Lawyer that, when faced with the main character gunning him down, screams out that Guns don't kill people, Video Games do, and that violent video games are what's making the main character kill him. Thompson *already* threatened to sue him over it.

      That reminds me, didn't he have an agreement wherein they don't crush him like a bug for libel and he stops mentioning them and their games, at all, forever?
    22. Re:Like herpes by RobBebop · · Score: 4, Funny

      My understanding is that the GTA video makes a reference to a "lawyer who dislikes violent games" and Thompson thinks it is obviously a parody of him.

      FIRST -- parody's are not slanderous, particularly when they are true to the real life version.

      SECOND -- GTA gets heat from many researchers and lawyers who have much better reputations then Thompson, so it is naive of him to think they would single out him for the joke.

      THIRD -- It is funny, laugh. Geez... show me a guy who can't laugh at a joke about himself and I will show you a guy who'll never be the life of ANY party.

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    23. Re:Like herpes by Huwawa · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't that reduce your ingame health?

    24. Re:Like herpes by garett_spencley · · Score: 1

      "SECOND -- GTA gets heat from many researchers and lawyers who have much better reputations then Thompson, so it is naive of him to think they would single out him for the joke."

      I think arrogant would be a better word.

    25. Re:Like herpes by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      The fact that his lawsuits have no legal merit never stopped him before.

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    26. Re:Like herpes by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      I love this game more and more every day.

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    27. Re:Like herpes by nuzak · · Score: 3, Informative

      He's already barred from making any further filings in the district of the Florida Supreme Court, so any further filings have to come from his representation. He's been ignoring the order, and has been repeatedly getting a polite form letter back from the court clerk notifying him that his motion has been duly roundfiled (or more likely, stored as evidence against him).

      The Florida bar recently concluded a disciplinary hearing against JT. Though they don't make it public what exactly they're looking for, it's pretty clear they're settling for nothing less than disbarment, probably permanent. However, a final decision isn't expected til sometime in July.

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    28. Re:Like herpes by nuzak · · Score: 1

      That reminds me, didn't he have an agreement wherein they don't crush him like a bug for libel and he stops mentioning them and their games, at all, forever?

      I doubt such an agreement could ever be enforceable, what with the first amendment and all (even if Jack doesn't believe in it). Under the terms of the settlement, he is barred from actively interfering with the release of any further Take-Two properties. He's already violated that agreement too, but I suspect Take-Two is awaiting the results of his disbarment trial in June before filing contempt charges.

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    29. Re:Like herpes by Alyred · · Score: 1

      The fact that this guy is still breathing kinda nullifies his point about video games making people violent, doesn't it?

    30. Re:Like herpes by Naturalis+Philosopho · · Score: 1

      Just in case you're not a troll... The first amendment prevents the government from imposing unreasonable restrictions on free speech. As a individual, however, you can sign any contract you want with another party which limits your right to speech, eating hot dogs, wearing plaid pants, or anything else you want to sign away. If you break the contract you will liable in a civil suit for breach of contract. But, yeah, Thompson, in my opinion, acts like such an asshat that he'd break the contract anyway. Oh, IANAL.

    31. Re:Like herpes by nuzak · · Score: 1

      Judicial enforcement of a blanket gag order on an entire subject could quite easily be interpreted as an infringement of free speech. It largely depends on the forum and manner of speech, I suspect. Such a settlement would be largely invalid if that were the case, but I don't think Take-Two's lawyers are entirely dumb, and they crafted it in the language of refraining from interfering with business, not mere expression of opinion.

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    32. Re:Like herpes by AxeD2008 · · Score: 1

      "if this iteration of GTA is anything like its predecessors" so, where does he get off giving a review for a game he hasn't even played? How did this idiot get through law school? This is somewhat funny tho: "... The Florida Bar seeks sanctions against Thompson for allegedly making false and disparaging comments about a judge and several lawyers ... Most of the alleged rule violations center on harsh letters and e-mails sent by Thompson targeting Miami lawyer Alberto R. Cardenas, Judge James Moore of Fayette County, Ala., and lawyers with the Philadelphia-based law firm Blank Rome. One letter accused Cardenas of "distribution of pornography to children." I hope they disbar that idiot. I think that the entire internet as a whole, will LOL like never before.

    33. Re:Like herpes by Stregano · · Score: 1

      He is only doing this for attention. Would anybody have any f'ing clue who he was if he didn't go after violent video games? What an idiot

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  2. call jacks kids/family by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful


    and see how they feel about their dads conduct

    fairs fair right ?

    1. Re:call jacks kids/family by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      My lord! Are you saying that Jack Thompson has had sex? With a woman? And has reproduced?

      Gah, I don't believe it.

    2. Re:call jacks kids/family by falsified · · Score: 4, Funny

      Me either. Jack Thompson grew from spores, and so would any of his offspring.

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    3. Re:call jacks kids/family by AhtirTano · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, but his offspring isn't fertile.

    4. Re:call jacks kids/family by magus_melchior · · Score: 5, Insightful

      1) You're modded insightful, but given his hypocrisy, I'll lay you 100-to-1 that he'll actually sue anyone who even tries.
      1b) Even if fair's fair, you won't dismantle his campaign by stooping to his level.
      2) I'm almost certain that because he's their father, they agree with his general opposition to violent games, and may even deny some of his conduct even happened—it's akin to politicians' kids and relatives.

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    5. Re:call jacks kids/family by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't want to believe it. That means he's raising degenerate shit bags to pollute our world with their inane bullshit after he goes from irrelevance to obscurity.

    6. Re:call jacks kids/family by elrous0 · · Score: 0, Troll

      I'm pretty sure that his wife left with the kids shortly after he started walking around the house naked all night, smearing himself with his own feces and mumbling to himself about videogames monitoring his brainwaves.

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    7. Re:call jacks kids/family by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Hey, it's not a troll if it's true.

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    8. Re:call jacks kids/family by N1ck0 · · Score: 1

      Me either. Jack Thompson grew from spores, and so would any of his offspring. So thats what happened to that Mycon podship I crashed into the earth!
    9. Re:call jacks kids/family by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, the living tissue of many spore-reproducing species can clone itself, for instance all fungi, most mosses, and some species of ferns. So I seriously hope Thompson is not a fungus, since he could just slice himself in half and then there would be two of him. And don't ask about fungal sex -- some species can have more than two mating types (not just male and female) with complicated rules about which types can mate with which. Hopefully Thompson is of a mutant, un-mateable type that cannot reproduce.

      But really, comparing Jack Thompson to a fungus does a great injustice to the fungus.

    10. Re:call jacks kids/family by afxgrin · · Score: 1

      Are you saying that Jack Thompson is fair game? Like a Scientology-esque fair game suppressive person?

      I obviously don't like the guy, he's basically against anything I believe when it comes to video games and probably a hell of a lot more.

      But should we unleash the wrath of /., 4chan and a bunch of other online communities on him? I don't think he could handle it, I'm afraid he'd kill himself or something.

    11. Re:call jacks kids/family by bckrispi · · Score: 1

      Jack Thompson is of the Non, and will soon be of the Void. Juffo-Wup fills in my fibers and I grow turgid. Violent action ensues.

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  3. I hope by Idiot+with+a+gun · · Score: 3, Funny

    Strauss Zelnick presses charges against Jack Thompson, claiming this was a threat. Mostly because it would entertain me.

    1. Re:I hope by Akaihiryuu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that Jack Thompson is on Take 2's payroll. He's the best advertising they could possibly ask for.

    2. Re:I hope by Faylone · · Score: 4, Informative
    3. Re:I hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right. Before his appearance I've never heard of GTA.

    4. Re:I hope by FuturePastNow · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If the letter is at all threatening (I'm not going to read it), he should certainly be able to get an order of protection preventing Thompson from contacting his family again.

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    5. Re:I hope by Lord+Ender · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's interesting. As you know, no publicity is bad publicity. Jack is just trying to keep his company in the news so his share prices rise! Clever man...

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    6. Re:I hope by timmarhy · · Score: 1

      ironic, by buying shares he is helping to fund the video game industry.

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    7. Re:I hope by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, no, he isn't, at least not directly. Unless he was buying stock from a public offering (which I assume he was not), he paid the former owner of the stocks, not the company, to own those stocks. This might indirectly fund Take Two since buying the shares pushes the price upwards, making any shares they might sell in a future public offering (or issue in some other deal such as a takeover) possibly more valuable, but Thompson himself isn't putting any cash in their wallets. In fact, if Take Two was paying dividends, *they'd* be funding *him* (I looked it up on Yahoo, and Take Two is not currently paying dividends). What it *does* do is make him part owner of the company, thus possessing certain rights such as attending shareholder meetings (which is probably why he bought the shares).

    8. Re:I hope by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      Possibly, but what better way to control a company than to buy yourself votes at a shareholder's meeting?

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    9. Re:I hope by magus_melchior · · Score: 1

      Reminds you of the scene in Man on the Moon where DeVito's character tells Andy Kaufmann and the wrestler to stop messing with everyone's heads.

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    10. Re:I hope by DiEx-15 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have to agree. Wasn't the agreement he had with Take-Two and such tell him not to do this stupid shit again? If I were Strauss Zelnick I would sue the bejesus out of Jack. I guess since Jack can't do legal stuff now (because of the sanctions) and maybe forever (because of the disbarment), I shouldn't be surprised that Jack Ass can't do much except write the mother of Strauss Zelnick.

    11. Re:I hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      More than that, he's a shareholder!

      That's interesting. As you know, no publicity is bad publicity. Jack is just trying to keep his company in the news so his share prices rise! Owning shares allows him to attend stockholder meetings and to propose stockholder initiatives. It's a common practice among groups trying to change a company's business practices.
    12. Re:I hope by Khisanth+Magus · · Score: 1

      For some reason I don't think "Stop making the companies flagship series" is quite going to make it...Stockholders are there to make money.

    13. Re:I hope by Translation+Error · · Score: 1
      Actually, according to the article, he did abide by the agreement:

      Game|Life contacted Mr. Thompson earlier today and were informed that the email was actually issued to Zelnick's lawyer. This would be in following with a prior settlement that prevents Mr. Thompson from contacting Take-Two, unless he does so through legal counsel.

      "I sent it to Strauss Zelnick's attorney. I would never send it to his mother," Mr. Thompson told me.
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    14. Re:I hope by DiEx-15 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but still - It goes to show that Jack didn't learn his lessons. If he didn't have the sanctions or have a disbarment trial breathing down his neck, he would be after them once again.

      Besides, I wouldn't put it past Jack Off Thompson to send a letter to Zelnick's mom. He is that shithouse rat crazy to do things like that.

  4. Let me be the one to say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Behave yourself or I'll tell your mom on you!

    1. Re:Let me be the one to say by Akaihiryuu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is so absolutely utterly ridiculous that there are only 2 possibilities: 1) Jack Thompson is dangerously insane, like he needs to be put in a room with padded walls and a straight jacket YESTERDAY, or 2) He's on Take Two's payroll, and this is just another method of advertising for them. I'm really leaning toward #2, more and more as time goes on. It's the only thing that really makes sense...he's the best advertising they could ever ask for.

    2. Re:Let me be the one to say by Samari711 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Given his track record doing the same kind of stuff to Howard Stern and Janet Reno among others it's a safe bet that the guy should have been locked up 20 years ago

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    3. Re:Let me be the one to say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      According to Wikipedia, some of the stuff he was doing in florida resulted in him being ordered to have his sanity officially evaluated. He was found to be sane.

    4. Re:Let me be the one to say by Chyeld · · Score: 1

      This was Florida though, why do you think it's a nursing home state... competency tests are easy there. (removes tongue from cheek).

  5. Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by nyet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hey, Jack. I'm fairly certain the Hitler Youth would not approve of violence against the authorities. In fact, they would more likely be on the side of authority, decrying any subversive activities that advocate violence against a police state.

    1. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wasn't the Hitler Youth basically just pre-war Germany's version of the Boy Scouts anyway? Pretty much every kid was in the Hitler Youth.

    2. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by p0tat03 · · Score: 1

      You were under the impression that Jack Thompson makes sense?

    3. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Hitler Youth probably would have been against drunk driving, too. Does advocating safe rides home make you a Nazi?

    4. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by cp.tar · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wasn't the Hitler Youth basically just pre-war Germany's version of the Boy Scouts anyway? Pretty much every kid was in the Hitler Youth.

      ... including, apparently, the Pope.

      Go figure.

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    5. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Yes, more or less. After a while, membership became mandatory, so very few kids avoided membership.

    6. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by Warll · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Yes, except it was a lot more army oriented and was mandatory for most of the population. The exceptions were minorities like those of Jewish ancestry, they didn't have to attend. Lucky eh?

    7. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ... including, apparently, the Pope.

      Did he have a choice? And was there really anything fundamentally wrong with the group that would be obvious to a 14 year old child at the time? At the time, Hitler wasn't considered all that bad in Germany. Until the late 1930's he wasn't considered too bad by most of the world.

      Actually, it's claimed that Ratzinger was pretty defiant and avoided going to meetings, but I suspect that's something made up by the Vatican's PR people.

    8. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by clichescreenname · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wasn't the Hitler Youth basically just pre-war Germany's version of the Boy Scouts anyway? Pretty much every kid was in the Hitler Youth.

      ... including, apparently, the Pope.


      Go figure.

      Listen; I'm an atheist, and I understand why people hate the pope. After all, he's probably responsible for a hell of a lot children being molested and teenagers giving birth to unwanted children.

      That being said, the Nazi deal just doesn't stick. He was basically forced into the Hitler Youth, and he ran away when they tried to enlist him in the army.

      So please, can we just stay on target and let this stupid argument die here?
    9. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by cp.tar · · Score: 1

      Listen; I'm an atheist, and I understand why people hate the pope. After all, he's probably responsible for a hell of a lot children being molested and teenagers giving birth to unwanted children. That being said, the Nazi deal just doesn't stick. He was basically forced into the Hitler Youth, and he ran away when they tried to enlist him in the army. So please, can we just stay on target and let this stupid argument die here?

      Oh, my.

      Really, I just wanted to add him to the list like the cherry on top of a sundae, with no real intent to troll.

      Though OTOH, living in a very Catholic country, I despise the guy and the organization under his rule one iota more than the average Muslim terrorist.
      This, however, has very little to do with Hitlerjugend.

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    10. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      After all, he's probably responsible for a hell of a lot children being molested and teenagers giving birth to unwanted children.
      This pope? It was under JPII's leadership that child rapists were swept quietly under the rug. I think you can blame them both for helping continue the AIDS epidemic, though.
    11. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by kitsunewarlock · · Score: 1

      Well, forgiveness is a cardinal virtue of the church in the first place. Some of its greatest "saints" have apparently been at one point or another great enemies of the church (if not just plain "immoral" people, by the churches standards).

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    12. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I feel compelled to mention that I got my first blowjob at a scout camp.
      I'm sure it depends where you're from but I never really felt like I was being heavily indoctrinated into a Christian ethic.

    13. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by sqrt(2) · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...first blowjob at a [boy]scout camp. Wait a minute, there's something wrong with this story; slashdotters don't have sex!
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    14. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      slashdotters don't have sex! No no no... They don't have sex with girls.
    15. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by BorgCopyeditor · · Score: 5, Funny

      In light of the dangers you identify, thank goodness there's a straight-talking maverick like John McCain around. He's the only thing standing between us and a thuggish, militant Democratic youth movement replacing America's culture with its own authoritarian vision.

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    16. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by christurkel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      By the time Ratzinger was in the Nazi Youth, it was mandatory. He even had to man an anti aircraft gun, but couldn't because of an infected finger. Ratzinger has been a priest, devoted to serving God, for over a half century. If this doesn't prove his non-Nazi creds, nothing will.

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    17. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by iamacat · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That being said, the Nazi deal just doesn't stick. He was basically forced into the Hitler Youth, and he ran away when they tried to enlist him in the army. Yes, while thousands of young people of the time, including Jehovah's Witnesses, gave their life or were forced into concentration camps for refusing to have anything to do with fascism. And that he encourages people in places like China and Iran to practice forbidden religion. I guess the Pope did nothing wrong as an ordinary German citizen, but he just doesn't measure up as the leading follower of Jesus Christ in the world. As it shows in his actions.
    18. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was a child.

    19. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by Jarik_Tentsu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To be fair, the Hitler Youth was a bit more than just Boy Scouts. They did similar *things* to Boy Scouts, but the Hitler Youth was a way of turning a whole generation of Germans into good Nazi's. It was the best propoganda machine Hitler had because it recruited complete loyalty and subscription to Nazism from a very young age. Kids would even betray their parents if they found out their Mummies and Daddies were anti-Hitler. IMO, the Hitler Youth was one of the main ways Hitler managed to keep loyalty among his troops - even after all his war crimes.

      ~Jarik

    20. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by debatem1 · · Score: 1

      To alcohol! The cause of- and solution to- Nazism!

    21. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by JMandingo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The Hitler Youth fought the Canadians and British to a standstill for many days following D-Day outside of Caen. Not bad for a bunch of Boy Scouts facing naval guns and superior infantry numbers and air power.

      The Pope can choose whether to save or planten booten to your arse :-)

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    22. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you weren't trying to inject the argument into any conversation that features it, maybe it would go away.

      The GP's point was, at least it seemed blaringly obvious to me, that it's really not that bad if the pope could be in it and still be the pope.

    23. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 2, Funny

      slashdotters don't have sex! No no no... They don't have sex with girls. What a minute... who you callin' 'they'? You're here too...
    24. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by amirulbahr · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Don't try to pass yourself off as intelligent and objective when you throw in comments like this:

      After all, he's probably responsible for a hell of a lot children being molested and teenagers giving birth to unwanted children. You are no better than the guy trying to implicate the Pope with the Nazis.
    25. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by calebt3 · · Score: 1

      He was 10 years old when WW2 started.

    26. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by lessthan · · Score: 1

      Under JPII he was the "Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith" which is kind of the justice department for the church. I'm going to go out on a limb and say it is probable that he knew about the priestly shell games that were going on.

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    27. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but... no
      Come on, the idea of a nazi pope is just too cool :P

    28. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So please, can we just stay on target and let this stupid argument die here?

      No.

    29. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Ratzinger has been a priest, devoted to serving God, for over a half century. If this doesn't prove his non-Nazi creds, nothing will.

      Being priests didn't stop quite a few people from molesting children entrusted to their care, nor did it stop even more people from covering that up, thus allowing it to continue on and on and more children to be hurt. If being a priest doesn't disprove that you're a child molester or an assistant to one, why on Earth would it prove you innocent of any other kind of evil either ?

      That said, blaming someone of being a Nazi just because they happened to grow up in Nazi Germany is ridiculous. It is quite likely that Ratzinger symphatized with the Nazis at the time; they were, after all, associated with Germany's recovery from the defeat in WWI and newfound prosperity. It was only later that the true nature of the beast was revealed. Hopefully Ratzinger learned from that; claiming that he still has Nazi sympathies is essentially claiming that he didn't, and that assertion needs evidence to be taken seriously.

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    30. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by fractoid · · Score: 1

      Ratzinger has been a priest, devoted to serving God, for over a half century. If this doesn't prove his non-Nazi creds, nothing will. Um... no, being a "priest, devoted to serving God" does not prove non-Nazi creds. Item 24 in the National Socialist Program:

      We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: The good of the state before the good of the individual. The Nazi platform was explicitly anti-Jewish and nominally pro-Christian.
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    31. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by cp.tar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, it's claimed that Ratzinger was pretty defiant and avoided going to meetings, but I suspect that's something made up by the Vatican's PR people.

      I'm quite certain of it.
      When Croatia proclaimed independence from Yugoslavia, many (if not all) of our new leaders were ex-members of the Communist Party. However, since communism became a snarl word much like in the USA some 50 years ago, they all started explaining how they had been defiant and subversive and always fought for a national state of Croats. Some even wrote books on the subject. Lengthy, boring ones.
      I don't think I need to point out all the similarities.

      Now, bullshitting is what politics seems to be all about, but I do have to marvel at the people who proclaim themselves traitors of the old system and then get the gullible masses to trust them with the new system.
      Pure gold, that's what it is.
      (Furthermore, this all meant that Croatian political rhetoric slid towards fascism and - would you look at that bugger - fervent catholicism. In these parts, the Catholic Church more or less openly sided with the pro-fascist forces back in the WW2, so the fascist-communist dichotomy pretty much overlapped with the Catholic-communist one.)

      All in all, not only do I believe that this was invented as a PR move, but I consider it a bad one.
      I would have thought that at least in Vatican someone would remember the repentant sinner, the lost sheep and the prodigal son.
      That would have gotten my respect; this only earned them disdain.

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    32. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by cp.tar · · Score: 1

      By the time Ratzinger was in the Nazi Youth, it was mandatory. He even had to man an anti aircraft gun, but couldn't because of an infected finger.

      What a... fortunate coincidence.

      Ratzinger has been a priest, devoted to serving God, for over a half century. If this doesn't prove his non-Nazi creds, nothing will.

      In that case, nothing will, I guess.
      The Catholic Church did not oppose Nazi (or fascist) ideology at that time, and from what I see from Croatian clergy, they are not too keen on opposing it today, either.

      Point is, fascist ideologies (Nazism included) were not anti-Catholic, so Ratzinger's devotion to Church (I really wouldn't know about his devotion to any deity) doesn't prove a thing.

      Once again, I wasn't trying to start a flamewar with my original comment, but I can't let this kind of faulty logic slide.

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    33. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait a minute... do you really look like He-Man? It's possible - in any thread, if you merely mention that BMI is a useful statistical tool in public health analysis you will get tons (literally) of men claiming to be extremely muscular and therefore that BMI does not apply to them.

      If you do (it's possible ... given your user name) then I for one would gladly show you how easy it is to use /. to get sex - just not with girls.

    34. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      Yes. They also advocated heterosexual relationships, which is why you're either gay or a Nazi. That's scientific fact.

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    35. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by cp.tar · · Score: 1

      Under JPII he was the "Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith" which is kind of the justice department for the church.

      More accurately, it used to be known as the Holy Office of the Inquisition.

      I don't think many further explanations are necessary.

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    36. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by DrLang21 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Except for the fact that after the Catholic Church spoke out against the regime, Priests started ending up in concentration camps.

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    37. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by dr_d_19 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      At the time, Hitler wasn't considered all that bad in Germany. Until the late 1930's he wasn't considered too bad by most of the world.

      One member of Swedish Parliament even thought Hitler deserved the nobel peace price! For some reason the same MP member withdrew his nomination sometime in 1939 :)

    38. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That supposedly Christian ethic, is by and large the ethic of the western world in general.
      The two are pretty much inseparable. That says more about the poor state of the ethic of the western world than it does about Xianity being any good.

      When public funds are used to pay for a supposedly private organization (being "private" allows them to discriminate against the non-religious and non-heterosexual people), "ethics" isn't exactly the first word to pop into mind.
    39. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by geminidomino · · Score: 0, Troll

      [The Hitler Youth] was the best propoganda machine Hitler had because it recruited complete loyalty and subscription to Nazism from a very young age. And you think that makes it different from the BSA? That's so cute.

      Replace "Nazism" with "Neo-conservatism" and watch the shit stick.
    40. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by Miseph · · Score: 1

      Indeed, thank goodness we have a thuggish, militant Republican youth movement to replace America's culture with it's own... hey, wait a minute...

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    41. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by hansamurai · · Score: 1

      I know a whole bunch of Boy Scouts from when I was growing up, I know quite a few Eagle Scouts also, and not one of them is neo-conservative. I know some Christians, some liberals, some conservatives, and plenty of moderates (and even atheists) that spent many years in Boy Scouts. Maybe your local chapter of the Boy Scouts is the equivalent of Bush Youth (I seriously doubt that though), but don't assume you can play the simple Mad Lib to make your point.

    42. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Your local chapter might be different, but at the top of the organization, it's clear as day, they don't even bother trying to hide it.

      http://www.scouting.org/Media/PressReleases/2002/resolution.aspx

    43. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Self-Fup: Note option #8. Your local chapters may well be in conflict with it.

    44. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by halber_mensch · · Score: 2, Informative

      That being said, the Nazi deal just doesn't stick. He was basically forced into the Hitler Youth, and he ran away when they tried to enlist him in the army. Yes, while thousands of young people of the time, including Jehovah's Witnesses, gave their life or were forced into concentration camps for refusing to have anything to do with fascism. Now, I'm not a pope fan, nor even a fan of most religion, but this is an absurd remark. I find it in extremely poor taste to fault Ratzinger at age 14 in a highly subversive state because he (along with all German boys at that age) was put into the Hitler Youth; and then later adopted a spiritual life and became Pope. I'm sure you never faltered in your moral direction when you were an adolescent, right? Because, I mean, you're pretty much a functional, adjusted adult a year after you hit puberty, yes? With the extensive world experiences you've had by that age and all? And you probably had a firm grasp on the operations of your government, and could easily recognize subversion on the part of the state on yourself, your family, and friends, and have the willpower to turn your back on everyone around you. Yes, I'm sure you were a model of humanity at 14, and Ratzinger should have been easily up to the task, especially since I'm sure he had decided long before that he would aspire to the papal seat in his late adulthood.
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    45. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by phlinn · · Score: 1

      Not allowing homsexual members != Neo-Conservative.

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    46. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know you meant it as a joke, but maybe you haven't been to an anti-war/pro-illegal alien/may day rally lately. A friend got stuck in one and they severely damaged his car when he refused to honk in support of them. I had a steel bar thrown at my car because I honked at the critical mass morons who block traffic with their bikes once a month. You think those guys are conservative republicans?

      For an even better example look at global warming (sorry, climate change.) The "consensus" consists of making it a political issue and using it to bludgeon those who disagree. A famous Russian made a bet with a US scientist that global warming would stop and the earth would begin a decade of cooling soon. The Russian studies the sun. Guess what happened. Now we're being told that ocean currents may halt global warming, temporarily of course. How convenient. They don't even mention how the earth has already cooled in the past 10 years.

    47. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      When they do so with religious bigotry as their rationale, it's close enough for horseshoes.

    48. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by cp.tar · · Score: 1

      [The Hitler Youth] was the best propoganda machine Hitler had because it recruited complete loyalty and subscription to Nazism from a very young age. And you think that makes it different from the BSA? That's so cute. Replace "Nazism" with "Neo-conservatism" and watch the shit stick.

      It took me a while to figure out where the fuck the Business Software Alliance figured in all this...

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    49. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by bornyesterday · · Score: 1

      You don't think that maybe at the time he was in Hitler Youth he knew he was going to be a priest, let alone the pope, do you? His current actions and position clearly couldn't have been influence by what he experienced as a youth.

    50. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by phlinn · · Score: 1

      Not really. Any number of people, despite not being conservative, would nonetheless not choose to associate with homosexuals because they believe it to be against their religion. And neo-conservative refers mostly to an interventionst foreign policy, not to any particular reglious bigotry.

      Frankly, it is a label with little actual value. It used to refer to a group of people who jumped from the left to the right in the 70's, but is now often used to refer to a group with any set of beliefs that the user doesn't like. Not always, and as wikipedia indicates there is a common issue on interventionism, but your post is a prime example of redefining terms to suit yourself.

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    51. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by nuzak · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony (Score:-1, Troll)

      by drinkypoo (153816) Alter Relationship on Sunday May 04, @02:32PM (#23294632) Homepage Journal

      The comparison is more than apt, since the Boy Scouts is a Christian organization which exists as much to promote a supposedly-Christian ethic (won't get into it now) as it does to provide wilderness skills. Which has done more damage to the world through ideology is up for debate.


      Fuck you, mods.

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    52. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by iamacat · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I'm sure you never faltered in your moral direction when you were an adolescent, right? I resisted tremendous government, parent and peer pressure in childhood and adolescence, yes. Granted it was in Soviet Union rather than Nazi Germany. But still, thousands of German teenagers resisted Nazis and paid with their life or were tortured in concentration camp, many for religious reasons. I do not fault the pope as a person, however catholic church had uncountable candidates who showed more dedication to the cause.
    53. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did he have a choice? No.

      And was there really anything fundamentally wrong with the group that would be obvious to a 14 year old child at the time? Aside from the anti-semitism? - no.

      At the time, Hitler wasn't considered all that bad in Germany. Until the late 1930's he wasn't considered too bad by most of the world. Benny joined in 1941. In my timeline, 1941 comes after the 1930's.

      Actually, it's claimed that Ratzinger was pretty defiant and avoided going to meetings, but I suspect that's something made up by the Vatican's PR people. I'll grant you your opinions, if you grant me mine.
    54. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, last I checked the Catholic church did NOTHING to sway Hitler. Hitler himself was a proud Catholic, and believed he had God's blessings, and whoever was pope back then never told Hitler he was out of his fucking mind.

    55. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      There's more to it than just foreign policy. And what the word meant in the past doesn't mean that's what it means now. q.v. "gay".

      It's now used to differentiate current right-wing self-labeled "conservatives" from the actual philosophies of conservatism, which they like to break into tiny pieces.

      Religious Bigotry under the doublespeak term "Family Values?" Check.

      Nationalistic "codes of honor"? Check.

      Demonization/Diminution of those who don't believe what they do? Check.

    56. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

      he encourages people in places like China and Iran to practice forbidden religion . . . but he just doesn't measure up as the leading follower of Jesus Christ in the world.
      Not sure if you ever knew, but there are multiple instructional stories in the Bible about people practicing forbidden religion. In Daniel 3, Shadrach, Meshac, and Abednigo practiced a forbidden religion (by refusing to worship King Nebuchadnezzar), and they are burned alive. They survive because the Son of God appears in the furnace to save them.

      Nebuchadnezzar's successor, Darius, orders that "for the next thirty days, no one can ask a favor from God or man. Whoever does ask a favor from God or man will be thrown to the lions." Daniel continues to pray, is caught, is thrown to the lions, and Daniel survives, attributing this to God sending an angel to protect him.

      Now, the veracity of these stories is irrelevant. What is relevant is that the Christian (and, since these are Old Testament stories, presumably Jewish as well--though I'm not knowledgeable about how important the non-Torah books of the OT are to Jews) instruction here is clear: practice your religion even if it is forbidden.
    57. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

      the Hitler Youth was one of the main ways Hitler managed to keep loyalty among his troops - even after all his war crimes
      There's actually a good depiction of this in Der Untergang, a great German films about Hitler's final days. It won an Academy Award for best foreign film in (I think) 2004.
    58. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by popmaker · · Score: 1

      Which COULD be interpreted "opposing the moral senses of the germanic race"... or something like that. Opposing the party probably outweighed the fact that they were christian.

    59. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by rtechie · · Score: 1

      Did he have a choice? Yes. Contrary to his claims, the Hitler Youth was optional. Many young people that opposed the Nazi Party did not join.

      And was there really anything fundamentally wrong with the group that would be obvious to a 14 year old child at the time? Yes. Ratzinger was a member of the Hitler Youth during the Holocaust. The actual events of the Holocaust (concentration camps, etc.) were well-known among the German population. I consider a 14 year old to have enough presence in mind not to aid in mass murder.

      He did run away when the Nazi government was collapsing and they started drafting teenagers. There is no reason to believe this was anything other than cowardice.

      Razinger's involvement with the Nazis was a clear moral failing, but it's really nothing compared to his coverup of massive sexual abuse. As far as I'm concerned, Razinger is a child molester and rapist and should be swinging from the nearest tree.

    60. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by clichescreenname · · Score: 1

      I'm making fair criticisms. Benedict (before becoming pope) suggested that cases of child molestation within the catholic church be covered up.

      Also, this pope (as well as those that came before him) have had a strong anti-condom policy. These policies have been proven to fail horribly in preventing STDs and babies.

      Either debunk me, or move on.

    61. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by clichescreenname · · Score: 1

      I wasn't trying to make anyone feel sympathetic to the pope, I was just saying that it's not like he willingly joined it. I mean, you're really holding it against some teenager that he wasn't ready to die as a statement against fascism? Really???

      Oh, and that bit about him not deserving to be "the leading follower of Jesus Christ in the world"? Jesus was probably just a dude with a pretty good set of laws. Or maybe he didn't even exist... either way, I see no reason why following him should be such an honor.

    62. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by DrLang21 · · Score: 1

      It is well to keep in mind that party doctrine had little to do with it at that point. The "opposing the moral senses of the germanic race" argument could very well have been the official argument used, since they were accused of aiding the Jews (oh the irony). This had everything to do with power and little else. From it's beginnings, the NSDAP had little love of Christianity, but realized that lip service would be necessary if they were to ever gain power due to the high concentration of devout Christians in the country. They also recognized the extreme amount of influence that church clergy had over their followers. This is why they agreed to never attack the Vatican and why when the Catholic church (and others) spoke against them, they were fast and brutal in their response. They could not allow church leaders to speak against them because they had the insight to know that it would destroy the loyalty of the populace.

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    63. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      In my own mind, I am He-man's twin. No guarantees of how others may or may not perceive me.

    64. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by iamacat · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I am not quite sure what Jesus Christ really did. I suspect he was badly misrepresented by the Church to serve needs of various ruling elites, including present US government, for thousands of years.

      However, if you claim to follow Garry Kasparov, you better be a good chess player. If you claim to follow Jesus, you better show inborn and consistent aversion to violence, spend time talking to prostitutes and tax collectors and avoid judging others. Otherwise, be proud of your own life choices, but do not claim to be someone you are not.

    65. Re:Jack's utter lack of a sense of irony by boot1973 · · Score: 1

      What badge do you get for that?

  6. Oblig moral question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    If you had the power to go back in time and beat Strauss Zelnick in front of his mother, would you?

    1. Re:Oblig moral question by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 3, Funny

      If you had the power to go back in time and beat Strauss Zelnick in front of his mother, would you?

      Is that the only reason I can go back in time? Can I take a few periodicals and mail them to myself? Because if answer to both questions is "yes" I would definately do that. I could always buy him France later to make it up to him.

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    2. Re:Oblig moral question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you had the power to go back in time and beat Strauss Zelnick in front of his mother, would you?

      Is that the only reason I can go back in time? Can I take a few periodicals and mail them to myself? Because if answer to both questions is "yes" I would definately do that. I could always buy him France later to make it up to him.

      Back To The Future reference, nice!
  7. Chutzpah by Ian+Alexander · · Score: 5, Informative

    The pornography and violence that your son trafficks in is the kind of stuff that most mothers would be ashamed to see their son putting into the hands of other mothers' children, but, hey, your son Strauss has recently assured the world that he is "a Boy Scout, everybody knows that." I'd love to see the merit badges that Scout Troop handed out. Is there a Ted Bundy merit badge? If so, your loving son deserves one now. It should be red and green, for obvious reasons. This guy's got some fucking chutzpah, and not the good kind. This is out-and-out harassment.
    1. Re:Chutzpah by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      This guy's got some fucking chutzpah, and not the good kind. This is out-and-out harassment.

      And some weird notions of how everyone else thinks. Like:

      If so, your loving son deserves one now. It should be red and green, for obvious reasons.

      Because Ted Bundy likes Christmas? Because The Red Green show is hosted by treacherous Canadians? Because "blue" is God's color so red and green belong to the devil? Really, Jack. What "obvious" point am I too dumb to see?

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    2. Re:Chutzpah by Ian+Alexander · · Score: 1

      Maybe red for blood and green for money? The upshot of the letter is that Strauss is spreading violence in exchange for money. Or maybe he really is a complete nutbag and thinks that Santa Claus kills people for money or something.

    3. Re:Chutzpah by UncleTogie · · Score: 1

      Because Ted Bundy likes Christmas? Because The Red Green show is hosted by treacherous Canadians? Because "blue" is God's color so red and green belong to the devil? Really, Jack. What "obvious" point am I too dumb to see.

      He's sayin' that every time someone plays GTA, another frog dies in a blender...

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    4. Re:Chutzpah by PachmanP · · Score: 1

      I personally think that a Ted Bundy merit badge would be cool...

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    5. Re:Chutzpah by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

      So that's why, after applying the Hot Coffee Mod, The Muppet Show stopped airing...

  8. I had that badge! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But they took it back after they found out what I used for bait.

  9. tattletale by shadylookin · · Score: 2, Informative

    Shouldn't he have stopped trying to tattle on people to their mother a few decades ago? It's kind of funny when their little, but once you become a grown man it's kind of childish

  10. Stop submitting Jack Thompson stories. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Please stop submitting Jack Thompson stories. He's got nothing if you ignore him. Leave it to Shacknews, keep it off Slashdot.

    1. Re:Stop submitting Jack Thompson stories. by urcreepyneighbor · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why? It's fun documenting the downfall of a deranged sociopath!

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    2. Re:Stop submitting Jack Thompson stories. by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why? Imagine the guy dies and we won't know when to start playing "Ding Dong the witch is dead".

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    3. Re:Stop submitting Jack Thompson stories. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course this is exactly right. Based on this letter and the picture-laden brief he submitted to a court a few months ago, it seems quite likely that he actually has some mental problems.

      Slashdot wouldn't stories about the insane rants of a homeless guy, so why should Thompson be treated any differently? He's on the cusp of being disbarred; he can't do any more harm.

    4. Re:Stop submitting Jack Thompson stories. by ZiakII · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Please stop submitting Jack Thompson stories. He's got nothing if you ignore him. Leave it to Shacknews, keep it off Slashdot.

      Do you really want someone intelligent taking over his spot? As it stands right now he will never get anything done, which is how I like it personally.

    5. Re:Stop submitting Jack Thompson stories. by magus_melchior · · Score: 1

      If he had zero influence in the country, your advice would stand.

      Instead, he's treated as a "video game expert" by the likes of Fox News and CBS, whose viewerships most likely outnumber Slashdot, Reddit, Gamepolitics, Digg, and the rest combined. Also, I'll wager that TV viewers are also more likely to call up their Congressperson demanding even more draconian controls over video games, because so many of the generation before Pong and the like are in retirement (hint: too much free time -> more stuff to complain about).

      Now, if there were a champion for the video game industry willing to publicly counter every false point Thompson makes, your advice would still stand despite Thompson spouting his lies. Thankfully, we've got one for the recording industry, so who's going to be the NYCL that stands up to a charlatan, a coward, a liar, and a bully? Until we have one, I say post everything he does and let the world see who the greater fool is, a kid playing video games, or Jack Thompson.

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    6. Re:Stop submitting Jack Thompson stories. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Watching someone act insane about a point most of us would object to serves to justify our beliefs and make us feel better about them. It's more than the other guy is wrong, it's that the other guy is wrong because he's insane, and you'd have to be insane to support that notion.

    7. Re:Stop submitting Jack Thompson stories. by PachmanP · · Score: 1

      because so many of the generation before Pong and the like are in retirement (hint: too much free time -> more stuff to complain about).
      Or even better they're in politics!!! I mean, shoot, the minimum age for President is like ~35 or something; and have you seen Congress? Some of them look like they've been around since 1776!
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    8. Re:Stop submitting Jack Thompson stories. by nuzak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > Do you really want someone intelligent taking over his spot?

      It's not a zero-sum game here -- if he's gone, there's no sign anyone else is going to take his place. It's not as if the moral crusaders of the world have been holding back and waiting for him to vacate the spot.

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    9. Re:Stop submitting Jack Thompson stories. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. Jack Thompson is definitely not "stuff that matters".

  11. Glory Hole by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No one really cares abount Jack Thompson anymore. No one that counts. The only reason Jack Thompson does what he does is because he likes to watch the stink that get's made at sites like Slashdot. The lesson here is to not allow Jack Thompson to get his glory here. This is done by IGNORING Jack Thompson.

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    1. Re:Glory Hole by couchslug · · Score: 3, Funny

      I find him useful.
      Jack personifies the sort of person who objects to video games in the way that Fred Phelps personifies hardcore Christianity.

      We need people like them to remind us of what people who want to micromanage our personal behaviors are really like.

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    2. Re:Glory Hole by hardburn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He still gets on Fox News/CNN/60 Minutes/etc. People around here have heard of him, sure, but to the world at large, he's just another guy being quoted as an expert on TV. Ignoring him won't discredit his semi-regular TV appearances.

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      Not a typewriter
    3. Re:Glory Hole by peipas · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Indeed, he was brought into a discussion about GTA IV on NPR's Talk of the Nation last week. I had never heard him, just read about him. He came off like a total jackass, scoffing at the end, "I'm done?" "Yes, you're done."

    4. Re:Glory Hole by LrdDimwit · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well that's kind of what happens when the interviewer asks you a question, and you respond by saying "I'm not going to tell you that". (I believe it was 'which law enforcement agencies are you working with?') I mean, the whole point of appearing on the show in the first place is to answer the interviewer's questions! You shouldn't be surprised when, after you say you're not answering their questions, they throw you off the show.

    5. Re:Glory Hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fred Phelps is a "hardcore christian," his views and opinions being taken directly from the bible. Mod gp up, eh?

    6. Re:Glory Hole by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      Oh, Jonathan Lee Riches cares about Jack Thompson; they think a lot alike.

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      If you want news from today, you have to come back tomorrow.
    7. Re:Glory Hole by Mix+Master+Nixon · · Score: 1

      Isn't Glory Hole a Christian rap group?

      But seriously, Thompson will keep right on getting on the network news shows. They're not at all bright, as you may have noticed. He's obnoxious, and that's all it really takes to get on the news. It will accomplish nothing for niche sites like Slashdot to blacklist all related stories. However, we are more than capable of giving him enough rope to hang himself.

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    8. Re:Glory Hole by Minwee · · Score: 1

      The only reason Jack Thompson does what he does is because he likes to watch the stink that get's made at sites like Slashdot.

      I think you meant "networks like CNN and Fox". Jack-off doesn't care about a bunch of whining nerds when he can get sympathetic national coverage from the 'real' news.

    9. Re:Glory Hole by magus_melchior · · Score: 1

      I would guess that they chucked him not because he was merely uncooperative ("I'm sorry, but I can't answer that"), but because he was hostile ("Which law enforcement agencies are you working with?").

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      "We are Microsoft. You shall be assimilated. Competition is futile."
    10. Re:Glory Hole by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "Mr Phelps and his family/followers are no more Christian than Osama and his followers."

      Saying they are not Christian is merely an assertion. There is no central authority for Christianity, let alone one that will sort out the nice PC marketable Christians and exclude the other end of the spectrum. Anyone who wants to can play.

      The WBC have ample Biblical references for their beliefs and are more than happy to cite them.

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  12. Bully 2 by wiredlogic · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think for Bully 2 they need to have a hot coffee mode where a young Zelnick beats up on a young JT. That would be sweet justice.

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    1. Re:Bully 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      ...where a young Zelnick beats up on a young JT


      Would "young Zelnick" be referring to the Chairman or the mother?

    2. Re:Bully 2 by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      And have the mangled JT cry "When I grow up, I'll be a lawyer and harrass you to no end!"

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    3. Re:Bully 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rumor has it that the big bad guy in "This Is Vegas" - Preston Boyer - bears a striking resemblance to Jack Thompson.

  13. JACK THOMPSON DEAD AT 56 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shot to death in an attempted car-jacking. Goodnight, sweet Prince.

    1. Re:JACK THOMPSON DEAD AT 56 by Vectronic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't, that would make him a martyr, and basically prove his (invalid) point...

    2. Re:JACK THOMPSON DEAD AT 56 by CommunistHamster · · Score: 1

      Unless, say the carjacker had never played GTA IV or indeed any videogame, and neither had any of his associates.

    3. Re:JACK THOMPSON DEAD AT 56 by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Better yet, they play video games, but it's only Madden06 and the like.

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  14. Mental Health by Herkum01 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have to seriously wonder, is this man mentally ill? The only reason he receives any attention now was due to his previous work, but as the things he says and does keep getting stranger and stranger I have to wonder.

    In the US, people are only forcibly evaluated for mental illness under the most obvious conditions. If you have a person who is slowly slipping off the edge no one will do anything until he becomes an obvious problem. Even then it is usually be ignored unless he harms someone.

    It is quite possible that Jack Thompson is out of his mind. But no one will step in until after he has practically killed someone.

    1. Re:Mental Health by Akaihiryuu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Read the letter. There are only two possibilities: 1) He's dangerously insane. As in, he needs to be put in a room with padded walls and a straight jacket, and be drugged up on antipsychotics or 2) He's secretly on Take Two's payroll, and they're having him say/do outlandish things to get them publicity. He really is the best advertising they could ever hope for.

    2. Re:Mental Health by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      I think you've hit the nail on the head. RTFA and at the end you'll see how he compares himself to John the Baptist. The man needs help before HE hurts someone.

    3. Re:Mental Health by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is quite possible that Jack Thompson is out of his mind. But no one will step in until after he has practically killed someone.

      ...with a stolen car and a prostitute on his lap.
    4. Re:Mental Health by the.Ceph · · Score: 1

      Actually a Florida judge ordered him to undergo a psychiatric evaluation, which he passed. He then went on to brag about being the only lawyer certified sane in the state.

    5. Re:Mental Health by magus_melchior · · Score: 1

      I vote for the former. He's essentially a lobbyist now, and if he sways enough legislators, there will be even more costly regulation on the industry. Somehow, I don't think Take-Two is stupid or wealthy enough to play Andy Kaufmann with their business. It would be deliciously ironic and funny, but if it's true and their customers find out, no GTA game would be good enough to win them back.

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      "We are Microsoft. You shall be assimilated. Competition is futile."
    6. Re:Mental Health by PachmanP · · Score: 1

      I think you've hit the nail on the head. RTFA and at the end you'll see how he compares himself to John the Baptist. The man needs help before HE hurts someone.
      Well I personally like the ending where his head ends up on a silver platter more myself...
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  15. Whatever by retro128 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    John the Baptist wasn't a crank who got disbarred for filing frivolous lawsuits. Thompson is delusional. He seems to think that video games, and nothing else, is responsible for all of the world's evils. And when scripture starts getting quoted, you know you're in for some nutjobbery. The Bible verses were just over the top. And going to the mom? What the hell, is he trying to say "Hey Zelnick, I know where your mom lives. Muhahhaa"

    I'm sure there's going to be fallout from this. I eagerly await Zelnick's reply.

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    -R
    1. Re:Whatever by Akaihiryuu · · Score: 1

      His mom should send back a picture of her playing GTA4.

    2. Re:Whatever by NTmatter · · Score: 3, Interesting
      For factual reference, Thompson claims to not have sent it directly to the mother:

      "I sent it to Strauss Zelnick's attorney. I would never send it to his mother," Mr. Thompson told me. I'll take Thompson at his word that he sent it through the attorney...however, I suspect that this is not good-will, but a byproduct of the plausible notions that he was unable to find the address by any reasonable (eg, non-stalker) means, and that he probably realizes the potential PR nightmare that could be caused by actually sending the letter directly to the said family member.
    3. Re:Whatever by Maestro485 · · Score: 1

      Not only that, but he says "the mature rated games that our children play". Shouldn't he be getting on the parents for providing their kids with games that are inappropriate for their age?

    4. Re:Whatever by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1
      Quoting TFA again, for reference:

      "I sent it to Strauss Zelnick's attorney. I would never send it to his mother," Mr. Thompson told me. *cough* BULLSHIT *cough*

      Letter opens:

      Dear Mrs. Zelnick:

      Your son, as you may know (or maybe you donâ(TM)t know), is Chairman of Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc., whose most popular video games are the Grand Theft Auto murder simulator games banned in some countries but sold to children here. If that was really intended for the attorney, and not for the mother, Jack's even less coherent than we thought.
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    5. Re:Whatever by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      In the eyes of the Romans, John the Baptist was a crank who got dis-headed for promoting false prophets.

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    6. Re:Whatever by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      I'm sure he could have found the address.

      The reason he sent it to the attorney is because he's forbidden to send direct communication to Zelnick or Rockstar Games due to the terms a previous lawsuit.

    7. Re:Whatever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll take Thompson at his word that he sent it through the attorney...however, I suspect that this is not good-will, but a byproduct of the plausible notions that he was unable to find the address by any reasonable (eg, non-stalker) means, and that he probably realizes the potential PR nightmare that could be caused by actually sending the letter directly to the said family member.

      That and the settlement of the JT/TakeTwo lawsuit stipulated that the only contact JT can have with Zelnick or his family is via Zelnick's lawyer.

  16. There's an advantage to keeping him around by Akaihiryuu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He is seen as the de-facto "spokesperson" of the anti-videogame agenda. And he's dangerously insane, to the point that noone takes him seriously at all. The plus of having such a buffoon "in charge" of the anti-videogame agenda is that no sane person would dare speak up on his side, for fear of being associated with him.

    1. Re:There's an advantage to keeping him around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting tactic - keep posting the same comment until you get modded up for it ;)

    2. Re:There's an advantage to keeping him around by Hemogoblin · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, there are people that still take him seriously. For example, he was recently on the Glen Beck Show. I personally don't take that show seriously, but I'm sure there are some people who do.

    3. Re:There's an advantage to keeping him around by refitman · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately Thompson is sane and he's got a certificate to prove it!

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      First God made idiots. That was for practice. Then He made Jack Thompson.
    4. Re:There's an advantage to keeping him around by catbertscousin · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately Thompson is sane and he's got a certificate to prove it! Yeah, well, Nobby Nobbs has a certificate proving he's human but it does him about as much good . . .
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      No good deed goes unpunished. - Avon, Blake's 7
  17. Re:Just face it guys by Akaihiryuu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All I can say to that is...lol. You need to turn the TV and computer off and go outside.

  18. I think by Trikenstein · · Score: 1

    He's crossed over into the realm of stalking.

  19. JT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone even listen to Jack anymore, or is he becoming the boy who cried wolf?

  20. Free will and GTA by viking80 · · Score: 3, Funny

    In GTA, you have free will. You can stay at home, go to work, maybe as a taxi driver?, drive to church on sundays, and never hurt anyone. That Jack Thompson becomes a criminal thug with disregard for the law and life, shows more about him than the game.

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    1. Re:Free will and GTA by clichescreenname · · Score: 0

      In GTA, you have free will. You can stay at home, go to work, maybe as a taxi driver?, drive to church on sundays, and never hurt anyone. That Jack Thompson becomes a criminal thug with disregard for the law and life, shows more about him than the game. I'm sorry, but this is terrible logic.

      The game was designed to let you kill, steal, etc. Also, I don't know if ol' JT has even played GTA; he's probably just basing his view of it off of what other people do in it.

      That's not to say that he isn't a total douche, or that GTA should be banned (or whatever), it's just that your reasoning is failed.
    2. Re:Free will and GTA by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      The game was designed to let you kill, steal, etc.

      So was reality. What you make of it is up to you.

      --
      Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
    3. Re:Free will and GTA by Kortalh · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Earth was designed to let you kill, steal, ect. That doesn't mean you go around doing it though, does it? GTA4 has plenty of non-illegal methods to enjoy yourself. You can drive a taxi, bust criminals, date women (and men), shoot pool, throw darts, go bowling, race your car in tournaments, and plenty of other things. My wife dislikes the violence of the series, but she enjoys driving around the city taking in the sights. GTA4, more than its predecessors, allows you to do just that.

    4. Re:Free will and GTA by VGPowerlord · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Since the grandparent hasn't pointed this out: Reality isn't named Grand Theft Auto.

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    5. Re:Free will and GTA by Xtravar · · Score: 1

      I know you're trying to be funny, but that actually would be a legitimate excuse for Postal 2. They designed it in such a way that you can solve missions without killing innocent people... of course it's much more boring that way.

      GTA, not so much. :)

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    6. Re:Free will and GTA by the_raptor · · Score: 1

      And you can play GTA by doing nothing more criminal than stealing cars. it isn't called Cop Slaughter IV.

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    7. Re:Free will and GTA by FictionPimp · · Score: 1

      Actually, I have had one mission that required me (and is part of the main plot) to kill a bunch of cops who were trying to bust the guy I was protecting for selling dope.

      You fight your way out of an apartment building killing swat on your way.

      However, I see GTA as a morality play. The more illegal acts you do, the worse your life gets. Follow the story and get 1-2 stars, start running down innocents on your escape and watch it blow up to 3 or 4 stars, kill a few cops and watch them send out the military. In fact in the beginning of the game, your acts almost get you killed twice. If anything, GTA IV and GTA3:SA show how much a life of crime sucks. In fact you can't even drive drunk in GTA IV without a cop on your ass in under 10 seconds.

    8. Re:Free will and GTA by VGPowerlord · · Score: 1

      The previous posters said you don't have to kill or steal.

      However, given that the name of the game is Grand Theft Auto IV, you're clearly expected to steal. If you don't want to play a game about stealing cars, don't buy a game with "Grand Theft Auto" in the title.

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    9. Re:Free will and GTA by nuzak · · Score: 1

      > If anything, GTA IV and GTA3:SA show how much a life of crime sucks

      Well, at least until you get your car sprayed.

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      Done with slashdot, done with nerds, getting a life.
    10. Re:Free will and GTA by FictionPimp · · Score: 1

      Well, i was referring to how each act you do in the story only leads you to more shit. It's like you are digging a hole and can never get out. The crimes start small and snowball out of control until everyone wants you dead or in jail. Sure it's a game, so it has to be 'winnable', but I think it does a good job at teaching you to not want a life of crime.

    11. Re:Free will and GTA by clichescreenname · · Score: 1

      How did this get modded flamebait? I thought it was actually a pretty good point...

  21. Letter to Barbara Bush by copponex · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dear Mrs. Bush:

    Your son, as you may know (or maybe you don't know), is the President of the United States, whose most popular foreign policy adventures are killing hundreds of thousand of people. Though they are a different color, I do believe they are still people.

    Your son last week was reported to have said the following about Iran: "A nuclear Iran must not be allowed."

    Taking your son's thought, I would encourage you either to join the Marines, or encourage all of your grand-children to join up, especially Jenna and little Barbara.

    What you will see in the next war, if this iteration of war is anything like its predecessors, is incredible interactive violence aimed at everyone (whom you can shoot in the head and see the blood spray), innocent bystanders (whom you can run over with your Humvee or tank just for the heck of it), and of course the plentiful indigenous female prostitutes you can have sex with and then filet with a knife or stomp with your feet in order to get your money back. Experts note that the recent plethora of killings is caused in whole by your darling son's Administration and philosophical flunkies. There are four thousand dead soldiers in Iraq, and perhaps almost a million dead civilians. No, really - it was on 60 Minutes. I hope Bush has provided you with a flat screen TV to see the grief of the bereaved families that fills the screen. I mean, if reporters were allowed to say such things.

    The violence that your son trafficks in is the kind of stuff that most mothers would be ashamed to see their son putting into the hands of other mothers' children, but, hey, your son Bush has recently assured the world that he is "a Boy Scout, everybody knows that." I'd love to see the merit badges that Scout Troop handed out. Is there a Colonialism merit badge? If so, your loving son deserves one now.

    There's hundreds of thousands of mothers you would do well to talk to. They have a grief they carry every day that only a mother can know. There are other such mothers in the heartland of Iran whose inhabitants your son simply sees as commercial targets.

    Your son, this very moment, is doing everything he possibly can to sell the new Iran war, to "defend" a country in which your son claims you raised him to be "a Boy Scout." More like the Hitler Youth, I would say.

    Happy Mother's day, Mrs. Bush, which this year is May 11, and who knows how soon until your son or his predecessor unleash actual death and violence upon other mothers' boys. I'm sure you're very proud.

    1. Re:Letter to Barbara Bush by pembo13 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      More Insightful than Funny if you ask me.

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    2. Re:Letter to Barbara Bush by EdIII · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I don't know how you got modded funny at all. It's not funny, and I don't know if you intended it to be.

      Please don't mistake me for the rapidly dwindling 30% that still approve of this asshat either.

      If I were you, I would actually send the letter.

    3. Re:Letter to Barbara Bush by Maestro485 · · Score: 1

      lol fucking brilliant. great post.

    4. Re:Letter to Barbara Bush by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Excellent satyrical paraphrase, although "predecessor" should really be "successor". Just a heads-up:)

    5. Re:Letter to Barbara Bush by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not funny ha-ha, but more like bitterly satirical. Which, like all good satire, is insightful as well as humorous.

    6. Re:Letter to Barbara Bush by tsm_sf · · Score: 1

      and satyrical should be satirical, unless I totally missed something in the OP.

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    7. Re:Letter to Barbara Bush by dbIII · · Score: 1

      It wouldn't work. She's the one that was complaining that we were housing people after Katrina that were homeless before. Her son despite his faults shows more compassion.

    8. Re:Letter to Barbara Bush by tygt · · Score: 1

      Your son last week was reported to have said the following about Iran: "A nuclear Iran must not be allowed."

      Impossible.


      Much more likely, he was reported to have said "A new-queue-leer Iran..."

    9. Re:Letter to Barbara Bush by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your son last week was reported to have said the following about Iran: "A nucular Iran must not be allowed." Fixed it for you
    10. Re:Letter to Barbara Bush by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you mean "unpossible" don't you?

    11. Re:Letter to Barbara Bush by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You misspelled offtopic.

      Funny how democrats never demand that Obama and Hillary's kids go joint he military, even when both these candidates demand military actions too. Just more relentless ad hominom attacks on Bush, whose war in Ieaq has been managed very poorly, but has saved many lives (and certainly not cost hundreds of thousands. Denying the truth in Iraq is getting pretty hard now, when so much progress has been made, politically and militarily, and Al Qaida has made it their unwinnable primary effort, not to mention how it has severely curtailed Iran. Nothing is too hard for the gullible 'true believers', though, who beleive, int heir hearts, that there is some kind of justice in prosecuting people for political views, for forcing their children to war, as though all the soldiers in Iraq did not volunteer.

      Better enjoy that argument while you can. John Mccain's son is in Iraq right now, and he's safer than if he were in Chicago.

  22. Oh Boy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashbots like to rag on Thompson because they want to convict by association all people who think that videogames have a bad effect on people. He's like a flesh-and-bones strawman that allows them to feel like they've refuted the folks they don't agree with.

    1. Re:Oh Boy. by cduffy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yup -- isn't it great?

      I really don't see what your point is. We know this is true, and we still have plenty of fun doing it.

  23. Ignore this fool! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lets stop giving this guy what he wants: publicity. If we ignore him and don't report on his antics, he will go away.

    1. Re:Ignore this fool! by compro01 · · Score: 1

      the problem with us ignoring him is lots of other media outlets won't, thus giving no conflicting opinion.

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  24. Thompson = Saint of violent video games by Yogiz · · Score: 1, Insightful

    As long as Jack Thompson exists, violent video games will have nothing to fear. We should only worry when he's gone.

  25. Payback by clichescreenname · · Score: 2

    Dear Mrs. Thompson,

    I don't know if you've noticed it or not, but your son is a real asshole.

    Also, I believe that he has an object roughly the size of baseball bat crammed up his ass, seeing as this is the only possible way that he could be this fucking annoying. I suggest that you get it removed as soon as possible (if not for his sake, than for for ours).

    I would wish you a happy mothers day, but I think this a probably a time of mourning for you, as you must constantly be reminded of the terrible choice you made in not having an abortion.

    Sincerely,
    -Strauss Zelnick

    1. Re:Payback by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Bah. You can be even more succinct.

      Dear Mrs. Thompson,

      Regarding your son, Jack: Next time, don't be so prudish. He should have been swallowed at conception.

      Sincerely,
      The rest of the fucking world

  26. This is cross lines now by pembo13 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I fully advocate a good old fashion beating for this Jack Thompson character. When you bring a guy's mother into you're making it personal.

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  27. What's more... by jd · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I'm fairly certain that authoritarian, despotic organizations would ALSO advocate beating children. Are we to assume from the lack of a contemporary reference that Jack Thompson feels safer using historical references most people never experienced - and those that did would barely remember? That references to, oh, any of the truly major world-horrifying cases of true, ultra-pure evil in Austria or Belgium would be too risky owing to the similarity between advocated mindset and the truly monsterous? That anything people could meaningfully comprehend would be more likely to be seen as condemning of the Jack Thompsons of the world?

    Don't get me wrong - I regard Take Two as an excellent representation of Dante's Inferno, given the way they treated David Braben and others, and shock/gore games strike me as very childish, but amoral "moralists" (Mary Whitehouse was another) who use cultist techniques to "program" the more easily-swayed segments of the population to believe their propoganda are far far worse than those they seek to suppress. It seems to me that of the Four Horsemen of the Apocolypse, Famine has retired in favour of FUD. There really are some fates worse than death, and perverted mind-control games would be one of them.

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  28. John the Baptist? by Xogede · · Score: 0

    "draw parallels between his [Thompson's] own actions and those of John The Baptist." -the Letter

    I knew that man had been out in the desert for too long!

  29. umm by nomadic · · Score: 1

    How is this news? He sends a rambling, pointless e-mail to Zelnick's lawyers, not his mother. He's not introducing anything new, it doesn't reveal anything about him we already didn't know, so why does this get on slashdot's front page?

  30. So what? by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1

    Really, so what? Why are you publicising this guy?

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    1. Re:So what? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      For entertainment value? Personally, I find his antics hilarious.

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  31. Godwin's Law by thegux · · Score: 1

    Does anyone else think this should be tagged "godwinslaw"?

    1. Re:Godwin's Law by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 1

      Oh, I always thought that was Godwin slaw. No wonder they looked at me funny at the deli.

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    2. Re:Godwin's Law by Maestro485 · · Score: 1

      No, it should be tagged "dontfeedthetrolls"

  32. A bit late by ShawnCplus · · Score: 1

    It's OK, this story is only like 3 weeks old, that's still fresh enough for the front page of /. right?

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  33. Now... by E.+T.+Moonshade · · Score: 1

    I'd like to see an open reply from Ms. Zelnick to JT. Preferably something that tells him what a moron he actually is for sending this to her in the first place, like she doesn't know what the hell is going on. If she's anything like most mothers I know, she knows damn good and well what her son's doing, and probably understands what Jack doesn't - it's a game. =p

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  34. Just ignore him by MLCT · · Score: 0, Redundant

    He shouldn't be given the oxygen of publicity for his personal (and entirely unfounded) obsession.

    1. Re:Just ignore him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He shouldn't be given oxygen.

      Fixed that for you.
  35. Re:Just face it guys by CarAnalogy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not sure if it's funny or just sad to see this post modded informative and insightful.

  36. Attention Whore by Bubbahyde · · Score: 1

    Frankly this guy simply likes being paid attention to. He finds something that can be seen as controversial and then goes around telling anyone who will listen why its supposedly bad. Most likely this results in paid speaking engagements to those who can't form a simple opinion on their own. For what its worth I believe that the 'video games' don't make a person violent, that they are already that way and when they finally do something people like the above scurry off and try to find any link to their viewpoint just to verify their opinions. Someone should send a letter to Thompsons mother saying what a obvious crackpot he is, quoting physiological text to prove the assuption, and see if he appreciates it. Doubtful.

  37. I don't see what all the fuss is about by __aailob1448 · · Score: 4, Funny

    He sent a letter to the mother telling her that her son's game got perfect reviews. I stopped reading the article after that but I can only assume the remainder of the letter were Thompson's heartfelt congratulations and good wishes.

    Sheesh, can't Jack Thompson do nice things every once in a while?

  38. Re:Silly troll (yup, IHBT... *sigh*) by cduffy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    [sarcasm] Yup. I couldn't possibly figure out how to rob, murder or carjack someone if I hadn't played GTA1 back in the day -- and the knowledge that driving a car [any car, even a stolen one] through a spraypainting facility will magically get the cops off my trail for anything I've ever done sure is handy. [/sarcasm]

    GTA isn't for kids, and I certainly think that cases where children are playing it are troubling (particularly for hours and hours on end, but that's true of any video game regardless of content), but the whole violent-videogames-cause-RL-violence meme is silly. It's much more defensible that individuals who are violent in nature are attracted to violent video games -- but I don't see how that's an argument for any kind of a ban, certainly not a strong enough argument to overcome the first-amendment counterpoint. Any rational individual knows that actions taken in real life have real consequences attached to them, and so evaluates such actions using a completely different metric than one might use in playing a game.

    So -- I won't complain about the consequences of violent video games being available for sale to adults, because I honestly believe that there are no substantial negative consequences on the scale described. If my family is (against all probability to the contrary) murdered in a random act of violence, I'll do the rational thing and blame the person who pulled the trigger, rather than searching for scapegoats. That said, violent videogames have permeated our society to the point that any real effects on the level of random violence should already be highly visible -- and while there's a highly publicized shooting spree here or there, (1) there's no clear causal correlation, and (2) the death rate from those isn't even close to background noise in the grand scheme of things; it's far, far more likely that my family will die in a random traffic accident, and that's a risk we willingly accept every time we get in the car to watch a movie or go to the store.

    Keep your fearmongering. If you want to live in a world where you're afraid of every kid who owns an Xbox, you're welcome to -- but me and mine prefer to go about living our lives (and facing much more real and present challenges), unworried by your imaginary and unrealized fears. I imagine those who were afraid of D&D or rock-and-roll felt similarly to you earlier in this century -- every generation finds some reason to worry needlessly about their youth -- but history proved those fears out as unfounded, and will do so again.

  39. Have you no shame, Jack Thompson? by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bluntly, that was the first thing that came to my mind. The question that McCarty was asked by Joseph Welch when he drove his communist witch hunt too far. Have you no shame?

    There are certain limits you don't cross. There are certain things you don't do, no matter what your agenda may be. Writing the mother of one of the people you 'fight' against and likening her son to Baldur von Schirach is one of them.

    If this proves anything, it's not that computer games, no matte what content, are bad, but that Jack Thompson is on a witch hunt. It has become obvious that his agenda isn't anymore to protect anyone. This isn't an attempt to end the sale of violent games. It is a direct attack on a person which isn't even in any way connected to the problem he allegedly has with those games. He claims he tries to protect people from psychologic damage these games allegedly do, but he himself caused psychologic damage to a person who doesn't even partake in the whole process of creating those games.

    So far, I didn't care too much about Jack Thompson. So far, he was a nut that tried to stop games from being sold. So be it. Whether those games exist, I don't really care. Now he is causing emotional harm to people who don't even have a connection with the game industry, except through some relative. Should we start harrassing his kids about their father's witchhunt?

    I wouldn't go down to that level. Punishment for the sins of your kin have been abolished in Germany since... well, given his choice of comparisons, Jack Thompson seems to know since when.

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    1. Re:Have you no shame, Jack Thompson? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually it was 'have you no sense of decency, sir?'

      -Your neighbourhood pedantic faggot

    2. Re:Have you no shame, Jack Thompson? by sjames · · Score: 5, Funny

      Jack should learn alternative ways to work out his agressive impulses without hurting others. Perhaps video games could help? There's nothing like a violent video game to get that sort of thing out of your system.

    3. Re:Have you no shame, Jack Thompson? by magus_melchior · · Score: 1

      Up until now, his actions have been that of a nutty lawyer on (at best) a misguided personal mission. Because he's controlled by his mission, he's allowed his actions to become on par with that of a "kitchen sink" political campaign. The only problem is, he's a rank amateur as a politician--there are things you don't do when you attack your opponent, and writing a harassing letter to the opponent's mother is probably considered stupid and pathetic.

      The only thing this bozo's learned from Rovian politics is that as long as you declare yourself to be aligned with God, many on the political far right will give you a lot of leeway, and that means airtime on so-called conservative news sources.

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    4. Re:Have you no shame, Jack Thompson? by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Have you no shame? While the rest of your post was eloquent, clear, and well-stated, this, I feel, is a bit naive.

      The answer to that question is, of course, "He's a lawyer."
    5. Re:Have you no shame, Jack Thompson? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How emotionally harmed do you really think this mother is? Her son is a rich, rich fella, who peddles smut (I love GTA, but it's smut). She already knew about all of this, or she's a total idiot.

      And the facts have long been in on Joe McCarthy. Welch was wrong. McCarthy didn't go far enough, and communists, hidden, spies, plotters, were surprisingly fairly common. Helping Russia devise some of the most awful murders in world history, for a regime that killed many times as many as Hitler. Because a few of the 'Red Scare' was in Hollywood, the entire story has been spun that McCarthy was some kind of monster. That's for the gullible. The Cold War was an actual war, a war that lots of people died in, and the stake were tremendous, and McCarthy's tactics 100% justified. Why do people laugh that off, and act as though war was always the overreaction of idiots? Because we're being told to feel that way, and some of us are dumb enough to believe it. The basic human rights and lives of tens of millions of people is worth fighting for. The USSR and PRC indeed killed more people than any other man-made thing in world history, as hard as that is to believe.

      Jack Thomson is a moron, but your reference is stupid (especially when you consider that McCarthy fought for our freedom of speech against the tyrannical communists). Jack does much more good than harm, by the way, because he is too extreme to influence anyone, and the legit problems with GTA being sold to children stay unsolved.

    6. Re:Have you no shame, Jack Thompson? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > The question that McCarty was asked by Joseph Welch when he drove his communist witch hunt too far. Have you no shame?

      Just to be pedantic, it's "At long last, have you no sense of decency?"

    7. Re:Have you no shame, Jack Thompson? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Basically, what this line was about is the connection to the witchhunt of senator McCarthy. For pretty much the same reasons and motivation that I assume from Mr. Thompson: The cause at hand is meaningless, it's all about power.

      I think Mr. Thompson doesn't care about games at all. It's just some agenda that gets a few people ruffled, most people don't know about and even more don't care about. But it's a thinkofthechildren agenda, it's something most parents don't understand and maybe even think that it's bad for their kids to spend too much time in front of a computer.

      Now, personally I'd say playing too much is a problem. But not because of violence, rather, because you might start neglecting your duties and work. In either case, it's not my position to tell anyone, except maybe my own kids, how to live his or her life or how to spend his time.

      Guns don't kill people, and even less can games kill people. They don't "train" you to do so either. Since I'm an experienced sniper but suck at relevant games, I guess I can vouch for that. It's a completely different skill. Sniping with a mouse compares to sniping with a rifle about as well as playing football on the computer and on the green grass. At best, it gives you a clue about the theory behind the process, it may give you an idea about the correct behaviour, the equipment, tactics, etc. Neither of which cannot be acquired through books or even online.

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    8. Re:Have you no shame, Jack Thompson? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you gay and self-identified with the term or do you just enjoy laying down the word faggot casually?

      Scared of gay people much?

    9. Re:Have you no shame, Jack Thompson? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No I like cocks.

  40. Wow, just wow by meist3r · · Score: 1

    He doesn't talk to the adult person he wants to adress (who holds a responsible position in a big company) and instead tries to work it out behind his back talking to his mommy? Can one be any more disrespectful? Can one make himself look any more retarded? If he actually had a point his arguments should be able to last through a face-to-face discussion with those concerned. Instead he behaves like the fucking sunday school teacher he is and tries to abuse parental authority. Jeez, when does this idiot Thompson die? I'm just asking, he's pretty old already.

  41. Does anyone find it odd and funny? by linesma · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Does anyone find it odd that someone who against violence uses it by way of a letter? It has always been a conundrum to me that people protesting war, violence, nuclear weapons, etc... seem to resort to violence themselves. Maybe I think too much, but wouldn't they be more effective if they lived what they preached? Just a thought.............

  42. +1 by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    Any lawyer who writes to a businessman's MOTHER over what is basically a political issue, deserves to be taken out and shot.

    1. Re:+1 by Warll · · Score: 0

      Any lawyer who writes to a businessman's MOTHER over what is basically a political issue, deserves to be taken out and shot. Been playing a bit too much GTA I take it?
  43. Re:seriously now... by Kredal · · Score: 1

    Brings up a good question. If you were to kill Jack Thompson, then blame it on things you saw in a video game, could you use Thompson's own prior court statements as grounds for dismissal, because the video game made you do it? I mean, it would be like having the dead lawyer rooting for his own killer!

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  44. Fishy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmmmmmm

  45. This dude is so awesome! by SOOPRcow · · Score: 1

    "Taking your son's thought, I would encourage you either to play this game or have an adroit video gamer play it for you. Some of the latter gamers are on death row, so try to find one out in the civilian population who hasn't killed someone yet." Classic!
    1. Re:This dude is so awesome! by kitsunewarlock · · Score: 1

      Has anyone here both played video games and not killed anyone? Just curious.

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    2. Re:This dude is so awesome! by plalonde2 · · Score: 1

      Thanks for your sig. Reminded me to cancel my account :-)

  46. Do you want your little son to play GTA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I played GTA. It allows to kill innocent pedestrians, including women, and take their cash. You can also rob houses of random people at night. Very moral, indeed.

    And they say that it is OK to sell these games to children? What will a little kid learn after playing GTA? To buy a gun and shoot his classmates? Unfortunately that has been happening very often over the last years.

    1. Re:Do you want your little son to play GTA? by meringuoid · · Score: 2, Insightful
      And they say that it is OK to sell these games to children?

      Who says that, exactly? In the UK all the GTA games have been rated 18. I gather that in the US, they've normally been rated 17 - which was why the Hot Coffee thing was so controversial over there, since a sex scene would have upgraded the game to an 18. Either way, it's not as if very many children are being sold these games. No sensible parent would buy little Timmy such a game, any more than they would sit them down in front of a DVD of 'Scarface'. Right?

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    2. Re:Do you want your little son to play GTA? by assassinator42 · · Score: 1

      I'm not so sure about that. Anyone who's played GTA IV online here want to comment on how many kids you've encountered?
      I know there are many who play the Halo series, but that's not quite as bad.

    3. Re:Do you want your little son to play GTA? by Damvan · · Score: 1

      "No sensible parent would buy little Timmy such a game, any more than they would sit them down in front of a DVD of 'Scarface'. Right?"

      When I was purchasing my copy, there were two mothers in line with their little Timmys, buying the game for them. Each of those kids couldn't have been older than 10. One even went so far as to insult the clerk at the store when he suggested the game might not be suitable for her 10 year old.

      When I went to go see "Hostel" at the theater, there were at least 10-15 kids under 10 there, with their parents.

    4. Re:Do you want your little son to play GTA? by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      No sensible parent would buy little Timmy such a game, any more than they would sit them down in front of a DVD of 'Scarface'. Right? Unfortunately, this is the USA you're talking about...

      Truely. A lot of parents give their kid $49 and let them go out and buy the entertainment of their choice. In most cases, sales clerks making $7/hr plus commission have no problems selling little Timmy R rated merchandise, be it a PS2 game or a DVD set. Kids know enough not to go to the stores that WILL refuse them -- or they get their frinds' older brother to pick it up for them. The first the parents know about it is when they come home from work early some day and see what Timmy's really up to after school. Of course, even then many parents wouldn't care as it's "just a game".

      Note that this is a country-based stereotype and by no means reflects the purchasing habits of any individual such as Jack Thompson or his children.
  47. :p by sikrooster · · Score: 1

    And what was the name of that violent video game Hitler used to play?

    1. Re::p by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oblivion:The Protocols of Zion--Game of the Year 1942 Edition?

      I dunno, just a guess.

  48. Tres bien! by jwest · · Score: 1

    You stay classy, Jack Thompson!

  49. I say contact the ADL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just sent a quick letter to the ADL on this issue in the hopes that they would call him out. This idiot drawing parallels to the Hitler Youth makes me want to put my fist through a wall.

    Last I checked, Hitler never played Grand Theft Auto or listened to Marilyn Manson.

    In the time it took Thompson to write that letter, several kids in Darfur where mutilated and/or murdered.

    1. Re:I say contact the ADL by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 3, Funny

      Last I checked, Hitler never played Grand Theft Auto or listened to Marilyn Manson.
      Yes. Instead, he listened to Wagner, was a vegetarian, a non-smoker, and a teetotaler. You could say that mass murder and warmongering were his only real vices.
    2. Re:I say contact the ADL by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      Last I checked, Hitler never played Grand Theft Auto or listened to Marilyn Manson.

      Yes. Instead, he listened to Wagner, was a vegetarian, a non-smoker, and a teetotaler. You could say that mass murder and warmongering were his only real vices. Jack should really be going after the tea cartels I guess, since it is obvious that drinking tea results in despotic activity.
    3. Re:I say contact the ADL by C0rinthian · · Score: 1

      Wagner was a bastard too. Which is why I find it funny so many people play his music at their weddings.

  50. rasing "mental health" is going too far. by acidrain · · Score: 0, Troll

    I have to seriously wonder, is this man mentally ill?

    And seriously, the kinds of attacks against him here are no less one sided than the man himself. This forum is out of control on this topic. And I say this as a senior engineer in the games industry eagerly awaiting my copy of GTA which is in the mail.

    In large part this is simply a matter of perspective, and a case of impassioned arguments that are untempered by a close look at the facts. For example take a look at this high-ranking youtube video of an interview with them man after a school shooting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weG7A4lTGtg Clearly he is quite emotional about the chronic youth violence in the USA. And again, being less aware of the facts and thinking you were trying to save lives you might just email some "evil" CEO's mother yourself. If we sided with the man we would be applauding him, not questioning his mental health.

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    1. Re:rasing "mental health" is going too far. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly he is quite emotional about the chronic youth violence in the USA. And again, being less aware of the facts and thinking you were trying to save lives you might just email some "evil" CEO's mother yourself. If we sided with the man we would be applauding him, not questioning his mental health

      Bullshit. IMO, Jack Thompson is just like those anti-abortionist zealots who harass and threaten health-care workers and innocent women seeking to have a legal medical procedure performed all because the assholes are "trying to save lives". And he's just one step away from the worst of that bunch who blow up the clinics and murder doctors; all for the purpose of "trying to save lives" and the glory of god.

      Jack Thompson doesn't give a shit about "chronic youth violence". If he did, there are plenty of worthwhile organizations that make a real difference in children's lives that he could direct his time and resources into instead of some quioxtic quest to rid the world of violent video games.

    2. Re:rasing "mental health" is going too far. by portentum · · Score: 0

      I don't quite get your point. Because he's ignorant of the (in)validity of what he's saying, it's ok for him to say it? We should stop lampooning him? I disagree. If that isn't what you're saying then please do elaborate.

    3. Re:rasing "mental health" is going too far. by WK2 · · Score: 1

      And seriously, the kinds of attacks against him here are no less one sided than the man himself.

      Yes. That is because there is only one side.

      This forum is out of control on this topic.

      I agree. Attention whores might go away if we stopped giving them attention.

      And again, being less aware of the facts and thinking you were trying to save lives you might just email some "evil" CEO's mother yourself.

      No, I would not do that, because I am neither mentally ill nor a 5 year old.

      If we sided with the man we would be applauding him, not questioning his mental health.

      Not really. If Linus Torvalds sent such a letter to Steve Ballmer's mother, we'd be all WTF? It would be funny, just like this story is funny, but it would still require mental instability on Torvalds's part.

      On an unrelated note, ever wondered how rumors get started?

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    4. Re:rasing "mental health" is going too far. by dbIII · · Score: 1
      It might not be. People were saying raising the mental health issue was going too far with an Australian stockbroker that was a real "character" that seemed to be on the edge of a murder, arson and was in the middle of some fairly strange financial dealings. He thought everything he did was right due to the effects of brain damage.

      Personally however I think Thompson is an annoying "end justifies the means" idiot who thinks behaving like a sociopath is OK so long as he gets his goals achieved or gets some attention for a political career.

    5. Re:rasing "mental health" is going too far. by stor · · Score: 1

      And again, being less aware of the facts and thinking you were trying to save lives you might just email some "evil" CEO's mother yourself.


      Speak for yourself buddy! ;)

      Writing a letter to someone's mother seems to be quite a bizarre action to me. The "Ted Bundy" and "Hitler Youth" analogies shows the man is on the insane side of the fence. If you disagree, please tell me what "CEO of violent video games company" and "Serial killer who enjoyed murdering women between ~15->25" have in common.

      If we sided with the man we would be applauding him, not questioning his mental health.


      I humbly disagree. I have no interest in the GTA series (they just don't do it for me) and am interested in the discussion of the effect of violent media (including video games) on people, especially youth and impressionable minds. I believe though that investigating this properly is going to require experts in the field of mental health. Letters to CEO's mothers from frothing-at-the-mouth attorneys doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

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    6. Re:rasing "mental health" is going too far. by Artifakt · · Score: 1

      I really don't see the basic concept as 'bizarre'. There's certainly some cognitive dissonance there, but if it counts as mental illness, then the society has about 50 million people who should be forcibly institutionalized, and no, I'm not being hyperbolic.
              Yes, there's something internally contradictory about trying to hold certain people who have been adults for quite a few years responsible in court, and simultaneously thinking that also supports bitching to their mommies on them like the parents were still responsible. No, that's not enough to signal mental illness.
              Now some of the details, such as the esoteric reference to red and green for merit badge colors, that's genuinely odd, non-linear thinking.

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    7. Re:rasing "mental health" is going too far. by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. IMO, Jack Thompson is just like those anti-abortionist zealots who harass and threaten health-care workers and innocent women seeking to have a legal medical procedure performed all because the assholes are "trying to save lives". And he's just one step away from the worst of that bunch who blow up the clinics and murder doctors; all for the purpose of "trying to save lives" and the glory of god.
      Your attempted argument against the GP instead argues in favor of it. I assure you that people who come down on the other side of the abortion debate do indeed see the things that these "zealots" do as saving lives. If you really believe that life begins at conception, then it is not hard to rationalize killing one person in order to save literally hundreds that that person may kill over the course of his lifetime. Of course, most people who would have gone to that doctor will now go to another doctor, so lives may not actually be saved, at least not for long.

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  51. The real problem by causality · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't fault Jack Thompson for having an opinion, even though I disagree with it and I believe it is utter horseshit.

    What I have a big problem with is the mentality shared by him and anyone else who thinks they know what's good for us: the unstated assumption that I am unable to decide for myself whether playing a video game is in my interests, and the unstated assumption that parents are incapable of deciding on their own whether their children are mature enough to handle the content of a video game. Basically, he's assuming that we are all mindless zombies with no choice but to imitate anything we see on a screen, and he's also trying to tell parents how they should raise their children, implying that they are unable to handle the job without his input. I assure you, no one who wants to do these things has a pure motive.

    The whole thing is an insult. It illustrates yet again the attitude that "it's not good enough that I choose to abstain from something; everybody else must do the same as me." It also assumes that no one is capable of distinguishing a fictional video game from reality, which is ironically more likely if we stop expecting people to know the difference.

    I am very thankful that my parents (within reason, of course) did not try to shelter me from every little objectionable thing in the world. Instead, they explained to me why something was right or wrong and equipped me to deal with an imperfect world that contains many things I might not like. If the Jack Thompsons of the world had their way, no one would be able to actually grow up into an adult human being who can deal with the world the way it is and perhaps try to make it a better place because every potential source of controversy would be censored. What he is advocating is really a form of cowardice, which is generally the motive behind those who would tell you how to live your life.

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    1. Re:The real problem by sneakers563 · · Score: 1

      Basically, he's assuming that we are all mindless zombies with no choice but to imitate anything we see on a screen You know, I generally agree with most of your post, but have you been outside anytime in the last 30 years or so? Most people are mindless zombies that imitate everything they see on a screen. Advertisers (among others) count on it.


      I think Thompson severely overstates the effect of video games relative to other influences, but insofar as they're part of a culture that associates violence with joy, yeah, they probably have some effect. People are produced by a culture as much as they produce it. Where Thompson becomes an insufferable jerk is that he doesn't consider any other influences. He takes a cop killer and reduces their lives to one factor: they played GTA. It's ridiculous.


      I do think it's weird, though, that people who get the most out of video games, people who will talk glowingly of the immersive qualities of video games, who will spend hours playing them, who develop fond memories of events that occured inside the game, nonetheless reject the notion that those experiences could also affect them in a negative way. I think video games have tremendous positive potential to help us reconceptualize who we are and frankly, our place in the world. But, I think we should recognize that there's a negative potential as well.

    2. Re:The real problem by causality · · Score: 1

      You know, I generally agree with most of your post, but have you been outside anytime in the last 30 years or so? Most people are mindless zombies that imitate everything they see on a screen. Advertisers (among others) count on it.

      After a long enough time, it starts to become a self-fulfilling prophecy. It begins the moment you use media as an excuse for what people do and discount the element of choice, for this is the justification that lowers the standard. It legitimizes the negative behavior by saying that the perpetrator was just a victim who had to be a mere product of his environment because he could not possibly have lived his own life, been his own person. It's the victim mentality that's the root of the problem; the ten thousand things that people use as excuses and justifications are just the branches and twigs. So no, I'm not ignorant of the status quo; I just refuse to accept it or contribute to it because I am aware of how much better things have been and could be.

      You don't reverse this by doing more of the same. You are sadly correct; most people have chosen to be mindless zombies because they decided that being your own person is too hard. I'm sure these same people wonder why life is so empty and unfulfilling, but that's okay, we have pills and procedures for that too.

      There is an ancient saying, "no matter how far down the wrong path you have gone, turn back." You really do get to choose how you live your life. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either a coward or fancies himself your master.
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  52. Have Jack arrested for Harassment by Khyber · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Put his ass in the slammer for harassment. I certainly would not appreciate such spiteful lying comments about myself to be made to my mother. After having him arersted for Harassment, I'd sue for libel, for everything Jack's worth.

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  53. ACTUAL QUOTE by Maestro485 · · Score: 1
    Just so I don't get flamed:

    Mrs. Zelnick, did you train up your son, Strauss, to make millions of dollars by pushing Mature-rated video games to children?
  54. Re:Just face it guys by Khyber · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dead wrong, going to prison is the true training course in how to break the law. I got sent there and learned more about breaking and entering and bumpkeys and the manufacturing methods of methamphetamines and even more stuff than I'd have ever cared to know.

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  55. Ted Bundy Badge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It should be red and green, for obvious reasons. What does The Red Green Show have to do with any of this?
  56. Submiter didn't read the F'ing article! by gabrieltss · · Score: 1

    FTFA:
    "but, hey, your son Strauss has recently assured the world that he is "a Boy Scout, everybody knows that." I'd love to see the merit badges that Scout Troop handed out. Is there a Ted Bundy merit badge? If so, your loving son deserves one now. It should be red and green, for obvious reasons."

    No where does Jack (ass) Thompson say the he "contemplates the existence of a Ted Bundy merit badge for boy scouts". As an Assistant Scout Master with the Boy Scouts this kind of FUD is just stupid! If anything Jack (ass) Thompson needs to be on the recieving end of a Ted Bundy Merit Badge anyway!

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  57. Why wait? by renegadesx · · Score: 1

    Two words... downloadable content!

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  58. Re:Just face it guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But before you do that, please make a post about it on slashdot. Also, tell others to do the same and be a hypocrite about it.

  59. What's the point in commenting on this topic... by Samah · · Score: 1

    ...when Godwin's law was invoked in the blurb?

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  60. This post is wrong by wulfmans · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you read tfa you will see that the email was actually issued to Zelnick's lawyer. Now i agree Jack Thompson is a tool and should should be banished to the south pole. But timothy should word his postings here to reflect the article in wired and not make this so sensational. Besides this article is from the 24th of LAST month.

    1. Re:This post is wrong by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Read the letter itself. It was addressed to the mother. It was SENT to the lawyer because Thompson is under judicial order not to contact TT, its officers or employees, as a result of a previous lawsuit.

  61. Strauss Zelnick by zymano · · Score: 1

    If there was a video game out there that told people to rob him and kill him do you think he would be upset?

    prob would sue.

  62. Re:Silly troll (yup, IHBT... *sigh*) by ejecta · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yup, I have GTA 2,3,Vice City and I also have kids and guess what? To my kids Vice City is "the box with a car on it" That's all, because they never get to see it being played, or play it themselves.

    Jack Thompson should try out this new technique called "parenting" it's worth promoting!

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  63. Re:Silly troll (yup, IHBT... *sigh*) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Okay, gotta post AC for obvious reasons because I'm not drinking the same Kool-Aid as the rest of you. Why is it that nobody seems to understand the effects of training? Yes, obviously there's a difference between reality and fantasy for most people, and most 'sane' people aren't going to be inspired to go on wild-ass shooting sprees. But I don't think it's 'just a coincidence' that so many people who aren't-quite-so-sane have gotten the urge in recent years to end their miserable lives in some pretty spectacular bursts of bloody mayhem.

    Deny the obvious if y'all need to people, but pretending that only 'sane' people matter is pretty freaking arrogant--not to mention stupid--when one takes a look at the scale of mental illness in this country. Your fun first-person-fragger game most likely *is* going to push *somebody* over the edge sooner (and more spectacularly) than they would have gone otherwise.

  64. Blaming Zelnick's parents?? by jesterzog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There does seem to be a certain irony in writing to Mr Zelnick's mother to complain about his upbringing when Jack Thompson's main argument, as far as I can gather, is that violent media, including video games, are primarily responsible for violence in young people and society.

    If that's the case, why does he expect that she had anything to do with it? Surely she's as much a victim of a free state as all the other parents whose children are running wild and uncontrolled.

    1. Re:Blaming Zelnick's parents?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, the letter was sent to Mr. Zelnick directly but was written in the style of a letter to his mother. It was obviously intended to be circulated by the press. I doubt she even saw it.

  65. Jon Stewart got it exactly right by AdmNaismith · · Score: 1

    It's apparently easier to care about the nonsensical goings on in a Video Game, than it is to arrest George Bush and his gang for defying the Geneva Conventions and actively telling others how to torture people. I can't get very excited about shooting even the most innocent cartoon character when this country's leaders live out GTA for real every day. Until Dick Cheney and Condoleeza Rice are behind bars, Jack Thompson can go f*ck himself.

  66. jack thompson's mother? by conan1989 · · Score: 1

    what's the name and address of jack thompson's mother? i'm sure the /. community could draft a nice letter and we all send one

    1. Re:jack thompson's mother? by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      No doubt she disowned the humorless fucker years ago.

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  67. No. Make this JT's second charitable donation... by n+dot+l · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No. Thompson is a rare resource. Despite his borderline insanity, he still ends up on the news - people know his name. That fame, coupled with the hate he spews every now and again, should not be wasted. It should be harnessed.

    Zelnick should take the letter and auction it off. He should then give the proceeds to Child's Play (or some equally ironic charity), in Thompson's name, of course. Because much as I'd like yet another quiet suit against Thompson, watching him fume helplessly as his attacks are turned against him - again - would be pure poetic justice, and that's just pure win.

  68. Jack advocates child abuse? by NIckGorton · · Score: 1

    But maybe the explanation for your son's corporate sociopathy is to be found in Old Testament Proverb 29:15:

    "The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame."

    Maybe you, Mrs. Zelnick, were so taken by your handsome son that you spared the rod and spoiled the child. That would explain why he has brought you, by the way he presently acts, "to shame." So to add to his other mountains of failings, he's also an advocate of child abuse. Odd from someone who is always thinking of the children.
    1. Re:Jack advocates child abuse? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      So to add to his other mountains of failings, he's also an advocate of child abuse.

      ...and is also attracted to Zelnick, or at least thinks that he's handsome. I think that explains the fixation.

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  69. Re:Silly troll (yup, IHBT... *sigh*) by cduffy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IF we accepted that violent games push insane people over the edge more often than they give them a harmless outlet to funnel tendencies which might otherwise have turned to outright violence -- IF we accept that -- then I nonetheless maintain that it's better that three hundred million people have this aspect of their freedom of speech preserved and twenty of them get killed by a nutjob with a gun than if the three hundred million are told that they can't enjoy their choice of entertainment or can't create artistic works (and some video games do indeed make serious artistic or political statements -- BioShock in particular comes to mind among recent releases) and perhaps the nutjob happens not to be quite pushed over the edge; and yes, I'll voluntarily take my chances of being one of the twenty from that three hundred million. Given that the elements of society which would ban video games haven't been successful in convincing the rest of us to do so, I'm inclined to argue that popular belief is consistent with either (1) the risk being nonexistent, or (2) the risk being acceptable.

    There certainly is such a thing as acceptable risk in return for entertainment -- remember that people are killed in car accidents going to the movies or out to buy toys or games or such, and nonetheless rational individuals choose to take such actions. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if more people are killed driving to and from movies in a year than by game-inspired gun violence. Would you ban movies or require that toys and games be purchased mail-order to reduce the instances of car accidents?

    Also, the whole bloody-mayhem thing isn't exactly new. The most notorious example in the city I currently live in is that of Charles Whitman, dating back to the late 60s. I'd argue that mass media loudly publicizing such events has more to do with any recent surge (the existence of which I'm not presently ceding) than any other factor -- who doesn't want to be a household name?

  70. Slashdot Paradox #00427 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ignore Jack Thompson! Now, I've done my part. Or wait, OH SHI~

  71. So....if Jack Thompson were on Slashdot... by Puffy+Director+Pants · · Score: 1

    He'd get Score: 5 Insightful on his letter?

  72. Old news. by Destroyeron · · Score: 1

    Old news.

  73. Someone should find Jack's mother by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Send Jack's mother a letter. See how he likes it.

  74. His mother... by psychicsword · · Score: 1

    Someone needs to find his mother's address and send her a letter advocating the beating of Jack Thompson. I swear if someone did that to me as a grown man with my own separate life from my parents I would be very pissed off and would probably try to sue for harassment. This is borderline stalking.

  75. No advocation of child cruelty by OpCode42 · · Score: 1

    The rod referred to is a measuring rod, as was used to define measuring units for buildings and such. It is saying that if you do not measure what your children are doing and set boundaries for them, but let them do whatever they want to, they'll go off the rails.

    1. Re:No advocation of child cruelty by danzona · · Score: 2, Informative

      That is a nice 60s feel good redefinition. But the reference is originally from the bible:

      He that spareth his rod hateth his son.

      And it refers to physical discipline.

  76. Re:Just face it guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey, here's a training course in how to break the law:

    1) Load gun.
    2) Aim gun at person.
    3) Pull trigger.

    Oh no, Slashdot is getting worse and worse! It's a training course in how to break the law! It must be banned!

  77. someone please invent a time machine. by DragonTHC · · Score: 1

    then we can go back in time and prevent Jack's mother from ever conceiving the useless piece of meat.

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  78. Let me be the one to say by clint999 · · Score: 0

    Hasn't he been disbarred (or something) from doing that?
  79. Re:Thompson is a religious lunatic by donscarletti · · Score: 1

    Those are both from the Torah, a piece of Jewish literature which Strauss Zelnick (if he's really a member of the Hitlerjugend) would oppose.

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  80. Well, it's only a couple of weeks old... by Warlock7 · · Score: 1

    C'mon /. ... what's the problem with putting up stories when they hit and they're actually relevant anymore...

  81. Re:Slashdotters will defend anything by AbuBamsry · · Score: 1

    Individually they are games worth defending (even in small combinations)....

    But if you put them all together and make a massive Jew killing, children molesting, woman raping, tax evading, cop killing, Jesus crucifying, car-jacking, non-handicap person parking in a handicap spot, all this being done while drinking booze, getting high, and pimping out one's own sister....

    That my friend is too far.

  82. Re:seriously now by geminidomino · · Score: 1

    6 billion quatloos to the man who kills jack Thompson.... offers on the table. Fixed.
  83. Age verification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mrs. Zelnick, did you train up your son, Strauss, to make millions of dollars by pushing Mature-rated video games to children? Any kid can go right to little Strauss' corporate web site and buy GTA IV with no age verification. Sure, if little Billy has a major credit card. However, if Billy's parents both supplied him with a credit card and neglect reviewing the statements, Billy can easily get much, much, much more hardcore material via online ordering.

    Really, what kind of age verification does stupid ol' Jack expect online ordering to have? No online retailer has an explicit age verification system (that I'm aware of) -- and, really, requiring a credit card usually suffices.
  84. Lawyer in GTA IV... by Organic+Brain+Damage · · Score: 1

    It's brilliant. The lawyer in GTA IV is modeled on Jack Thompson. In the game, the protagonist kills the Jack Thompson surrogate and receives an award.

    Either Jack Thompson is correct and GTA IV teaches the players to model their behavior on the game...in which case, Jack is going to be shot by GTA IV players. Or Jack is wrong and gets to live.

    Be right and you die, be wrong and you live. What's it gonna be Jack?

  85. that is ... by afxgrin · · Score: 1

    ... a perfect comparison.

  86. Even More Offensive Because Zelnick is Jewish by Beltway+Prophet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Since Zelnick and his mom are both Jewish, comparing him to the Hitler Youth is pretty offensive. I hope they can bring him up on hate crimes charges.

  87. Welcome to the millenium. by X3J11 · · Score: 1

    In the 80's, Dungeons & Dragons was Evil (with a capital E), causing young malleable minds to turn to Satanism and murder.

    In the 90's, Pokemon was Evil, and by proxy all other collectible card games. Pika-pi.

    Now it's the 00's, and it's time for something new. Video games are just the latest target of all these Christian nutjobs trying to blame all the world's problems on something (anything) other than themselves.

    When are buffoons like Thompson (and there's a whole lot of them, he's just this decade's most visible spokesperson) going to realize that the onus for ensuring our children are raised with healthy minds and morals belongs to no one but we parents.

    Where were the parents of these kids who go out and shoot up their high school and then kill themselves after a couple hours training to master marksman levels on dust2?

    I hacked up wicked bandits and took their gold in D&D, I jumped on mushrooms and turtle-things in Super Mario Brothers, blew up demons with a really big gun in Doom, shot rockets at cyborgs in Quake 2, blasted them damn terrorists in Counter-Strike, and killed a whole lot of people in the various Grand Theft Auto games. In a no-consequences environment where no one is hurt, it's fun. In the real world, life and liberty are sacred and I would never (except under extreme circumstances) harm another person.

    As a gamer, this man offends me. As a human being, he disgusts me.

  88. Re:seriously now... by Creepy · · Score: 1

    The last thing we need is this nut to be a martyr.

    The irony with Jack is that not a single gamer has gone out and shot the guy yet. I mean, really, if gaming is training us to be murderers and aggressively attack things we dislike, why hasn't this guy gone down in a hail of gunfire (about 11 times by now)?

    The bit of irony about this letter in particular is his quotes from a violent, hate filled book - the Bible. I know that is not the purpose of the Bible (in fact, I'd say the opposite is true), but my point is narrow minded people see things in a narrow minded way. If I focus entirely on who smote who and the violent battles and God turning sinners to salt and flooding the world killing everyone and everything (keeping two of everything is killing a lot of innocent animals), I miss the message of the book as a whole. I've heard many Christians describe the Koran (a book I doubt many of them have read) in exactly the same way, and again, it is a very violent book with a good message.

    Since Jack is quoting Bible verses and I've read the GTA4 is about revenge, how about one of our own? Does the Bible not teach (in Exodus) life for life (eye for eye, tooth for tooth, etc)? I'll ignore the fact that Jesus contradicts that in the sermon on the mount (somewhere in Matthew) because it doesn't suit my cause.

  89. Stalking by Quattro+Vezina · · Score: 1

    Strauss Zelnick now has cause to file criminal charges against Jack Thompson for stalking. Sending creepy letters to your target's relatives would be considered stalking by any judge.

    He could even get a restraining order banning Jack Thompson from communicating with him, his family, or his company in any way, shape, or form.

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  90. Do us all a favor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Happy Motherâ(TM)s day, Mrs. Zelnick, which this year is May 11, two weeks after your son unleashes porn and violence upon other mothersâ(TM) boys. Iâ(TM)m sure youâ(TM)re very proud.

    Oh my god. If somebody sent a letter like that to my mother I would fucking break his face.

  91. A Hoax?? by firespade · · Score: 1

    Oh God, someone please give me his email!! You know, I caught this letter and read it prior to seeing the article on SD and I have to say, I really thought it was a hoax, maybe some masked wannabe "anti-violent-video-games-hater". But oh no?! I was really, really wrong. How can constant insult after insult really bring down the empire of best sellers? Maybe he should play "Bully", it might offset his psychopathic mood a tad bit...

  92. The key is... by Antifuse · · Score: 1

    If the press would stop reporting on his antics, he would no longer have a mouthpiece for his ridiculous ranting. The man is clearly imbalanced.

  93. Raise your fucking kids. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it just me, or is Jack Thompson OK with children watching "World Wrestling Entertainment tv shows"?

    One brand simulated violence is horrible/not OK for kids, but another kind is perfectly acceptable? Does he not see this disconnect? Kids have killed other kids as a result of watching wrestling and not being properly supervised....

    If people would just raise their goddamned spawn properly, maybe we wouldn't have these kinds of issues.

    1. Re:Raise your fucking kids. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reply to myself:

      Parents just don't seem to give half a shit about the kinds of things their children are taking in. For example, when The Devil's Rejects was in theaters, I thought I walked into the wrong theater because I saw, much to my dismay, a family (2 adults, 4 kids [one infant, and kids ranging up to about 10 years old]) sitting in the 8th or 9th row...when the infant started shrieking after some loud jarring thing happened, I thought they were gone for good...but the mom just took the kid outside to calm it down and back to the theater...

      The worst part is, I was one of the only people who seemed upset at this...

  94. Plays games, never killed anyone... by TWX · · Score: 1

    Has anyone here both played video games and not killed anyone? Just curious.

    I fall into this category... I even played the original Grand Theft Auto with an overhead view, and I regularly still enjoy playing Carmageddon II.

    Now, mind you, sometimes I get the impulse to do something violent to someone, but then I load up a violent video game and get it out of my system in a safe manner and I'm good to go.
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    1. Re:Plays games, never killed anyone... by kitsunewarlock · · Score: 1

      Personally I think it would be interesting to see how many terrorists play video games.

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  95. Colonialism Merit Badge by whitneyw · · Score: 1
  96. What about Jack's mother? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has anyone considered writing to Jack's Mother about what a bully he is, and how deluded he is? I wonder if that would get any media attention?

  97. hehe by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    Intended only as a figure of speech, of course! :0)