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Large Hadron Collider Goes Live September 10th
Naznarreb writes "CERN announced today that the first attempt to circulate a beam through the Large Hadron Collider will be on September 10th, 2008. You can read the press release here. They also announced the event will be webcast live. According to the release, they're just planning to run a few tests laps, not smash any particles, so the world won't be ending quite yet." And despite that September 10th date, according to the BBC, "On 9 August, protons will be piped through LHC magnets for the first time."
And will take 1 day to warm up right?
Did we ever reach an agreement about those micro-black-holes?
It is a good day to die !!!!!
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..than the launch of Microsoft Windows XP. Will anyone forget the BSOD live?
Well the day after my birthday actually. So my pressie from the scientists at CERN is going to be the end of the world. A day late. Ain't life grand!
Smivs on the intertubes!
two bad nobody will even be able to care who called it.
They actually start smashing particles the next day. Which is Sept. 11. Oh, wait...
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I can see it now...
:)
Dr. Dieter Kriegstien: "Acceleratz protonz to maximumn speedz. Dr. Smitz, please pushz zat big ved button."
Dr. Keron Smith: "Pushing big button... you meant the blue one didn't you Dr. Kriegstien?"
Dr. Dieter: "Insolenze...vait... vat iz dat veading on zee scopz? Hmm.. it lookz like a microsopikz vack ol..."
And at this point, the entire mass of the Earth is sucked into a minature black hole the size of a pinhead over a period of 2 microseconds.
Of course, in reality, this is as likely as me winning a superball jackpot lottery, 10'000 timse in a row. But I just CAN'T HELP MYSELF!
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Ok. Sept 10 plus one day to warm up. Sheeze couldn't they have picked another date for the end of the world?
Ok, in the Naked Science episode which featured the Large Hadron gizmo they said that some people are concerned that "the micro black holes they create could consume an *entire* city..." then they paused for a short while and added "... and the entire earth!". Love that pause.
Other than that I got nothing.
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Sorry, FTS they're only running a few "test laps" - Not actually smashing anything. Get to work.
TFA doesn't say when they actually plan on destroying earth.
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Unless, of course, we're finally in the timeline where the LHC never quite works.
OR the timeline where you're the only non-cloned human left alive, surrounded by clones of your ex-girlfriend. Then you'll wish you didn't get on her bad side right before 'the accident'.
September 10 is my birthday! I get a big dose of doomsday!
What you don't realize, is that it is a giant extra terrestrial plot designed to prevent you from receiving superpowers on your birthday. honest.
Although it does say:
Once stable circulating beams have been established, they will be brought into collision, and the final step will be to commission the LHCâ(TM)s acceleration system to boost the energy to 5 TeV, taking particle physics research to a new frontier.
So I guess they're not waiting long after the "test laps" mentioned in the summary. OK. Blow off your project.
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We're all going to die, I just know it....
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"Our old friend Nostradamus' words ring from the grave with this grim prediction:
Nostradamus quatrain 9 44:
Leave, leave Geneva every last one of you,
Saturn will be converted from gold to iron,
"Raypoz" will exterminate all who oppose him,
Before the coming the sky will show signs.
Did Nostradamus predict the Large Hadron Collider?
Will the Earth disappear into a black hole of its own making?"
http://www.virginmedia.com/digital/science/endoftheworld.php?vmsrc=vmhpld
Stay tuned for next weeks exciting adventures of Earth Sucking Black Holes!!!
It's an interesting date. 9-10-8. Like a botched countdown.
FARNSWORTH: So what are you doing to protect my constitutional right to bear doomsday devices?
N.R.A. MAN: Well, first off, we're gonna get rid of that three-day waiting period for mad scientists.
FARNSWORTH: Damn straight! Today, the mad scientist can't get a doomsday device, tomorrow it's the mad grad student. Where will it end?
Where is the kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom! This makes me angry, very angry indeed."
I guarantee, I can already see a thousand Slashdotters preparing their best "NO CARRIER" jokes.
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Looks like 9 September will be a good day to charge up my HEV suit and sharpen my crowbar...
Dr Ray Stantz: You know, it just occurred to me that we really haven't had a successful test of this equipment. Dr. Egon Spengler: I blame myself. Dr. Peter Venkman: So do I. Dr Ray Stantz: Well, no sense in worrying about it now. Dr. Peter Venkman: Why worry? Each one of us is carrying an unlicensed nuclear accelerator on his back.
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"Ancora imparo"
Particle physics gives me a hadron!
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The server you are trying to contact has crossed the event horizon of a black hole.
What has *science* done?!? -- Dr. Weird (ATHF)
Sorry, I keep seeing:
Large Hard-on Collider Goes Live September
It's really sad that my sense of humor has not progressed since junior high school. *sigh*
Perhaps this explains why I regularly "just happen" to look at the clock at precisely 9:11 at least 6 times a week. It used to give me chills and now it's just pissing me off. It's been happening for a few years and I actually started to purchase survival shit before the last two 9/11s. I think this one has a higher probability of being something of significance. On a lighter note, it's probably just some massive coincidence that I keep looking at the clock at 9:11...
There is no conflict between the two dates. Aug 9 is an injector test and Sep 10 is when they test the main ring.
"I'm so moist I'm sticking to the leather." -Kermit the Frog on The Late Late Show
Let's preemptively care that way we have something to do.
A red crowbar has been sent to CERN in anticipation of the LHC particle accelerator going online.
http://www.destructoid.com/reddit-sends-crowbar-to-scientists-to-protect-against-headcrabs-98281.phtml
Advice to the scientists: When you first get back up after the explosion, make sure to stay away from the lip of the pit one screen to your left.
Darn the LHC is only number eight on the list. http://www.livescience.com/technology/destroy_earth_mp-1.html
Sucked into a microscopic black hole
You will need: a microscopic black hole. Note that black holes are not eternal, they evaporate due to Hawking radiation. For your average black hole this takes an unimaginable amount of time, but for really small ones it could happen almost instantaneously, as evaporation time is dependent on mass. Therefore you microscopic black hole must have greater than a certain threshold mass, roughly equal to the mass of Mount Everest. Creating a microscopic black hole is tricky, since one needs a reasonable amount of neutronium, but may possibly be achievable by jamming large numbers of atomic nuclei together until they stick. This is left as an exercise to the reader. [I love that part].
Method: simply place your black hole on the surface of the Earth and wait. Black holes are of such high density that they pass through ordinary matter like a stone through the air. [Yeah, so then how will I place it *on* the Earth. Lousy instructions.] The black hole will plummet through the ground, eating its way to the center of the Earth and all the way through to the other side: then, it'll oscillate back, over and over like a matter-absorbing pendulum. Eventually it will come to rest at the core, having absorbed enough matter to slow it down. Then you just need to wait, while it sits and consumes matter until the whole Earth is gone.
Highly, highly unlikely. But not impossible.
Earth's final resting place: a singularity of almost zero size, which will then proceed to happily orbit the Sun as normal.
Source: "The Dark Side Of The Sun," by Terry Pratchett. It is true that the microscopic black hole idea is an age-old science fiction mainstay which predates Pratchett by a long time, he was my original source for the idea, so that's what I'm putting.
If nothing comes from this demonstration but a black hole it will definitely suck.
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There are too many cosmic rays and neutrons stars in the universe for them to be dangerous even if we can produce them.
http://largehardoncollider.com/nyt_lhc.html
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I just met her!
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Actually, I would love to be fired down the CERN tubes. Ripping around those kilometers at high speed like you were on a bobsled run, only without the bobsled and no true turns (just one big one). Now if only there was a way to:
1) suspend me between the magnets
2) not turn my body into an organic puddle from the acceleration and later, the centripetal forces
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I expect the scientists will pay more attention than the slashdot editors?
Yes, I'll probably get modded troll or something for this, but it needs saying.
There's many comments in here about "oh, what about Sept. 11... couldn't they pick a better day?" and the like.
NEWS FLASH: The rest of the world does NOT come to a screeching halt every Sept. 11th. All points of business are NOT put on hold on that one day of the year. The rest of the world has moved on, if they even stopped to begin with. GET OVER IT!
LHC isn't even located in the USA for christ sakes.
Yes, the Sept. 11 events were sad, but seriously... stop criticizing all events taking place somewhere on earth on or around that date.
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The Earth is .0426 light seconds wide. Nothing is faster than celerity.
I hope CERN has done the responsible thing and notified the International Earth-Destruction Advisory Board of an upcoming possible Earth-destroying event.
re:
Even if they doe(sic) form, and are stable, they will be so small so as to sink to the center of the earth and star[t] devouring it at the alarming pace of 1 atom a year
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I think this voilates newtons law that 'a body in motion remains in motion unless it is pushed/pulled by something' (paraphrasing)
The micro-black whole would only stop at the bottom of the gravity well if it was consuming matter.
btw, don't forget about the relativistic beams that shoot off of the mbh.
A mbh could shoot off relativistic beams of matter that cause fission/fusion/reorganization of matter in a way that could destroy the earth without consuming a single atom.
you insensitive clod
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...but how do we know all that steel and magnets and dry ice and whatnot isn't a smokescreen, and that there are actually 23 guys totally and colossally wasted on absinthe, yage and tincture of wobbegong adrenal glands, chanting the full text of Al-Azif ... BACKWARDS? :D
I didn't think the house band in Hell would play this badly.
Could you imagine what it would be like to be on the ISS when the earth is destroyed by a LHC mbh.
The earth would fold up, only a 1% consumption would be needed to make it impossible to land on the earth and survive, but if the earth all went in a few hours or less. wow. And with the angular momemtum of the earth, the mbh would have to rotate on the earth's axis and the mbh would send its radiation beams away from the iss so the iss could be survivable from that prospective. Also, the aero drag would be gone and so orbital reboost would not be needed. I wonder how long they could survive? Also, since the mass of the earth/mbh doesn't change, all those nasty time-drag effects won't happen at the orbital distance of the iss.
It would make a nice sci-fi short story noir if a multi-year survival could be speculated.
Regards.
Actually, someone predicted that if we created these black holes they would be undetectable for about 5 years then we'd only have a matter of minutes before we all die. So, if that guy is right then we're right on schedule.
so that I can enjoy that McLaren F1, before the end of the world...
Prepare for unforseen consequences.
Right on schedule!
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Never been known to fail..."
... never met her.
That's my birthday.
That Black Hole probably has consumed trillions of hours of human surfing.
(World Wide Web was invented at Cern.)
The scientists forgot to compute how many "NO CARRIER" jokes can safely coexist on one forum. On that fateful day, Slashdotters will post one too many "NO CARRIER" jokes and they will collapse into a mega-anti-carrier, swallowing all force carrier particles and ending life as we know it on Earth!
OR the timeline where you're standing on the beach with one girl you never quite dared to ask out, watching bloody chunks of the 500-mile-tall version of the other girl you never quite dared to ask out fall back to earth, and everyone else has been dissolved into a global ocean of yellow goo.
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I guess that means that it'd be insensitive if I unveiled my weather control ray on May 2nd.
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Don't you mean Tang?
So, the end of the world WILL be televised?
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My cousin is getting married on September 10th... to a physicist!
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Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
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(I guess you will need to be an old fart like me to get that. Sorry.)
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The Mayans already predicted the world will end sometime in 2012, so this can't be the big one. ;^)
Besides, a full-on stable black hole could at worse cause us all to start rushing at an infinite pace towards infinite density. The world will simply get slower and thicker, all at once. That's no change at all in my book.
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That actually sounds pretty cool.
Yeah, I remembered when this happened... First the hardon collider, then the antimatter stabilized the wormhole, then the demons, then I used the BFG 9000. Case closed.
Then they'll create a micro black hole and suck the earth into it! So better buy your new stuff now, don't wait for christmas or birthday!
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Can people here drop the inane "we're all gonna die" meme in regards to the LHC? It's not funny and it perpetuates some silly myth that the mainstream media can pick up on. I would like to think that /. is a little better than fark (is fark still around?); Isn't the readership here a bit more educated?
Every LHC story has more "jokes" than any talk of potential new physics or any discussion on whether this beast will even work. It's a damn sight more complicated than any facility previously built, and even though I desperately want it to work, I have my doubts we'll see first collisions within the first year of operations.
If the LHC is a failure, it essentially signals the end (in our lifetime, at least) of any more high-energy physics programs being pursued, especially in the US. The ILC has already been tabled pending first results from LHC.
This reminds me of a news report when the shuttle tried re-entry with damaged tiles. The report stated that the temperature on the left wing was 15 Degrees (C) hotter than expected. And for all of us metric challenged Americans, the reporter incorrectly translated that to be 59 Degrees (F) hotter than the normal temperature in that part of the wing. It took me a minute to realize the translated number was 32 degrees off. I never heard a correction on that, but I guess they were pretty distracted by that time.
There is virtually zero chance the LHC will produce micro-black holes.
So I guess that makes it finitely probable that it will. So all I need to do is stick the end of this LHC thingie into a decent Brownian Motion Generator, and voila... the Infinite Improbability Drive!
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That date is picked from the fact that the accelerator guys tell us they need two months from the end of the beam pipe bake-out (right about this weekend) to get "a circulating beam".
Now, what does this mean?
It means that there are good odds that they will be able to get at least one pilot bunch of protons in stable circulation by that date. We're not talking about the full ~3600 bunches and most important: There will be no beam in the other direction. IOW all we will be doing up until some time November is to do comissioning with beam-gas interactions (there is always residual gas in the beam pipe).
If we're lucky we will have a few weeks of actual collisions this year. I don't want to think of the odds that they will be at anything approaching 10 TeV. 14 TeV is already out of the question due to a couple of bending magnets that can't sustain the current needed.
This press release just shows that management want to report something big. In fact it would probably be better for the accelerator people to commision both beams at the same time but that would of course postpone the big party...
What wories me most about the LHC is the folowing:
When the hydrogen bomb was made; during its creation proces they wher not sure about the risk of a an atmospheric or sea level chain reaction. (there is lots of hydrogen everywhere). Still the scientist continued their testing to see how it behaved.
The same counts for the LHC, the device is made to test mater beyond our current understanding. So we dont know what will happen; its a giant pandora's box. A sudden magnetic problem resulting in beam focus changes could be dangerous.
But not as dangerous as some other effects as described in the blog here. just imagine we pump up a micro blackhole this way to become larger. or create an anomality, or japordize the universe's vacuem energy.
It is science beyond our understanding we shouldnt try to understand it when we're not ready for it. The first time we tried that it, gave us nuclear bombs; what trouble will come this time from this?? antimater bombs ???
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I'm thinking of getting a Haligan Bar for those pesky Head Crabs!
Since it will be Sept. 11 somewhere else in the world, clearly this "CERN" group are a bunch of radical Swiss terrorists bent on destroying the world! We must stop them!!!
(not a great attempt at humor...)
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