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Brains Work Best At Age of 39

Scientists at the University of California Los Angeles are reporting that while some people may think "life begins at 40," all it seems to do is slow down. According to recent research, at age 39 our brain reaches its peak speed, and it's all downhill after that. "The loss of a fatty skin that coats the nerve cells, called neurons, during middle age causes the slowdown, experts say. The coating acts as insulation, similar to the plastic covering on an electrical cable, and allows for fast bursts of signals around the body and brain. When the sheath deteriorates, signals passing along the neurons in the brain slow down. This means reaction times in the body are slower too."

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  1. Not a First Post by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm getting old...

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    1. Re:Not a First Post by theaveng · · Score: 1

      I'm feeling old too, but yet worn out. This means if I want to back to college, I should do it now at age 37, while my brain is near peak capacity, rather than wait until I'm a doddering 40-something. ;-)

      - posted with LYNX, a Commodore 64 web browser (using 2 kbit/s modem)

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    2. Re:Not a First Post by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 1

      Definitely don't wait, because after 40 your...whatchamacallit...doesn't...that thing...um, lunchtime?

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    3. Re:Not a First Post by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 3, Funny

      You have plenty of time, that '39' is in hexadecimal!

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    4. Re:Not a First Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh no I am fallin.. ... ... ... (face hits ground)... ... ../me puts arms out to brace for fall.

    5. Re:Not a First Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Well at least now we know that Obama's brain works 25 years better than McCain's.

    6. Re:Not a First Post by hotdiggitydawg · · Score: 1

      You have plenty of time, that '39' is in hexadecimal!

      Phew! That's lucky I thought it might've been in binary. Guess I'm one of the 39 types of people who can't read binary then...

    7. Re:Not a First Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. You did get first post, however your brain still has not realized that you did, in fact, get first post.

      I'll give you until tomorrow to reply to my comment.

  2. ...and they said.... by UncleTogie · · Score: 1

    ...that life was over after 30. Yay for the thirty-somethings!

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    1. Re:...and they said.... by theaveng · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There is No "one" point where the body stops working. Different systems age at different rates:

      - the reproductive system peaks somewhere around age 16 or 17 (lowest risk of birth defects)
      - the *desire* for sex peaks just prior to menopause for women (circa age 35) and apparently never ends for men ;-)
      - flexibility (ala gymanasts and skaters) peaks at 15 and ends around 25
      - reaction time peaks at 30
      - and now it's revealed that the human brain peaks just prior to 40 - after which the neurons' tendrils start falling apart (like an old rubber hose).

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    2. Re:...and they said.... by sexconker · · Score: 0, Troll

      Gymanasts?
      Like, men with vaginas?

    3. Re:...and they said.... by KovaaK · · Score: 2, Insightful

      - reaction time peaks at 30

      That's cool to know. In online FPS games, people always whine about the reflexes of the 12-17 year olds and so on, but I've always felt like it was because older gamers just didn't devote the time into games to get as good. Now that the crowd of mid-20 gamers has had years of experience in these games, they are still the majority at the top level of competition. (There are exceptions, but I'm just pointing out that once you are past 17, that doesn't mean you won't be able to compete with younger gamers anymore on the grounds of reflexes.)

    4. Re:...and they said.... by Bob-taro · · Score: 3, Funny

      - flexibility (ala gymanasts and skaters) peaks at 15 and ends around 25

      Flexiblity ENDS at 25? Is that some sort of pun? I never was very limber, but I'm over 40 and it's not like rigor mortis has set in yet.

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    5. Re:...and they said.... by theaveng · · Score: 1

      I was actually thinking of the women gymnasts & skaters.

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    6. Re:...and they said.... by theaveng · · Score: 1

      Well, I just meant that there are very few gynasts/skaters competing after age 25. Their bodies are no longer flexible enough to do the routines.

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    7. Re:...and they said.... by bonch · · Score: 1

      That's cool to know. In online FPS games, people always whine about the reflexes of the 12-17 year olds and so on, but I've always felt like it was because older gamers just didn't devote the time into games to get as good.

      That's probably because by mid-20s, most people are too busy with real lives to devote anything to pointless games.

    8. Re:...and they said.... by AceofSpades19 · · Score: 1

      Maybe you shouldn't go on /. in a coffin

    9. Re:...and they said.... by Superpants · · Score: 2, Informative

      There is No "one" point where the body stops working.

      Actually, I believe its called death.

    10. Re:...and they said.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      - the *desire* for sex peaks just prior to menopause for women (circa age 35)

      Damn! My missus is 39 and she never wants to get busy anymore...I was still living with the hope that she is building up to a sexual peak in her 40's. Thanks for that, I can quit dreaming now and try to figure out the best way to get her to leave me.

    11. Re:...and they said.... by KovaaK · · Score: 1

      I don't contest that people are busy with real lives - I certainly am now. However, calling them pointless could spark a debate. Games definitely keep the brain active, and many companies see gaming as a valuable trait. Personally, I learned plenty of valuable skills from games, from programming mods to self improvement to social interactions. Before anyone mentions a typical example of counterstrike, I'd like to mention that some communities are good about encouraging intelligent conversation.

    12. Re:...and they said.... by gsmraxe · · Score: 1

      - the *desire* for sex peaks just prior to menopause for women (circa age 35) and apparently never ends for men ;-)

      Their "desire" may never end, but it's a matter of "can he still get it up without viagra after 35"? That really is the question.

  3. Dick works best... by bloodninja · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...at age 18.

    I can't wait for the spam that will advertise me an 18 year old dick, a 39 year old brain, and a 65 year old bank account.

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    1. Re:Dick works best... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...at age 18.

      I can't wait for the spam that will advertise me an 18 year old dick, a 39 year old brain, and a 65 year old bank account.

      I was going to say the same thing ... only I was going to say "Unfortunately the penis is optimally functional at age 18 ... if only we could somehow align these two."

    2. Re:Dick works best... by bloodninja · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Unfortunately the penis is optimally functional at age 18 ... if only we could somehow align these two."

      Obviously not, we are capable of thinking with one and not with the other at any given moment!

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    3. Re:Dick works best... by Yetihehe · · Score: 4, Funny

      Obviously not, we are capable of thinking with one and not with the other at any given moment!

      This explains why slashdoters are so smart.

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    4. Re:Dick works best... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdotters are ..smart? /. no brain today.

    5. Re:Dick works best... by sexconker · · Score: 1

      no brain today.

      Was it good for you?

    6. Re:Dick works best... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      braaaains BRAAAAINS braAAAAAIIINS

    7. Re:Dick works best... by qengho · · Score: 1

      Obviously not, we are capable of thinking with one and not with the other at any given moment!

      The problem is we only have enough blood to run one at a time.

    8. Re:Dick works best... by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unfortunately in the current economy that 65 year old will have to wait until they're 95.

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    9. Re:Dick works best... by bloodninja · · Score: 1

      Obviously not, we are capable of thinking with one and not with the other at any given moment!

      The problem is we only have enough blood to run one at a time.

      Cue on-the-rag jokes here. On second though, no, please, NO!

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    10. Re:Dick works best... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This explains why slashdoters are so smart.

      I'm wondering if your really well endowed, or just missed a 't' there.

    11. Re:Dick works best... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm wondering if you're really stupid.

    12. Re:Dick works best... by greywire · · Score: 1

      This explains why some slashdotters are such huge dicks.

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    13. Re:Dick works best... by steelfood · · Score: 1

      "God gave men both a penis and a brain, but unfortunately not enough blood supply to run both at the same time." - Robin Williams

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    14. Re:Dick works best... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Armless Man: I Haertilu Aghre!1

  4. Relates to neurological disease as well by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Interestingly, AFAIK, myelin breakdown due to a malfunctioning immune system is very much related to diseases like MS and ALS, among others.

    Which begs the question, if we could fix those disorders including restoring the myelin around the nerve fibers, could we keep people's brains working better for longer?

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    1. Re:Relates to neurological disease as well by yttrstein · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We can, and the substances that have been shown to be effective on this have been around for quite a while, the most modern ones being things like phenylpiracetam and pramiracetam, whos alkaloids are a suitable replacement in myelin sheath generation in aging human brains.

      I expect this to suddenly be "news" in about five years.

    2. Re:Relates to neurological disease as well by Darkman,+Walkin+Dude · · Score: 4, Insightful

      could we keep people's brains working better for longer?

      To be honest, given that we have no real definition of what "intelligence" is, to say that people get less intelligent in some way once they get past 40 is reaching a bit. Granted there is a physical effect being observed, but people have lost significant hunks of their brains with little detrimental effect.

    3. Re:Relates to neurological disease as well by theaveng · · Score: 1

      Obviously we need to program our nanites to do myelin deposition in the nerve cells. And while they're there, they can carry off any amyloid plaques to the intestine for disposal.

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    4. Re:Relates to neurological disease as well by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You mean raises the question.

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    5. Re:Relates to neurological disease as well by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 2, Informative

      For those who would ask: Phenylpiracetam

    6. Re:Relates to neurological disease as well by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Interestingly, AFAIK, myelin breakdown due to a malfunctioning immune system is very much related to diseases like MS and ALS, among others.

      Which brings up a point - no two people are alike. No two people age the same way. I know guys fifteen years younger than me who look older than I am.

      My uncle died of ALS (Lou Gherig's Disease). Most people are dead of this disease before age 65, he didn't even show symptoms until his eighties.

      Spme people's brains peak at age 30, some people's brains peak at 50. To say everyone's brains are the same at any given age is stupidly ludicrous.

    7. Re:Relates to neurological disease as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, he means it begs the answer.

    8. Re:Relates to neurological disease as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which begs the question, if we could fix those disorders including restoring the myelin around the nerve fibers, could we keep people's brains working better for longer?

      that's exactly the argument made by dr. sears and dr. julian bailes.

      dr. sears is a phd lipid researcher (formerly employed by boston university and mit) and creator the zone diet, an anti-inflammatory diet designed keep you insulin, glucagon and eicosanoids in a zone to promote peak human performance.

      dr. bailes is the chair of WVU's Department of Neurosurgery.

      dr. bailes called dr. sears days after randal mccloy, the lone survivor of the sago mining disaster, was put under his care. dr. sears recommended high does epa/dha concentrate (epa reduces inflammation and dha is required for optimal brain health).

      dr. sears' efforts, in conjunction with more traditional forms of treatment, led to a recovery called "miraculous" by the medical press.

      http://myhealthcafe.blogspot.com/2006/04/miracle-of-fish-oil-randall-mccloy-jr.html

    9. Re:Relates to neurological disease as well by Talderas · · Score: 1

      That's not what the zombies say. Brains are brains, man.

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    10. Re:Relates to neurological disease as well by Godji · · Score: 1

      diseases like MS and ALS

      We all know that Microsoft is a disease, but what the hell is ALS?

    11. Re:Relates to neurological disease as well by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Can these substances be used to help restore lost motor function due to the immune system attacking the myelin sheath of motor neurons? If so it should basically fix things like ALS, MS, MMN... I assume not, as those diseases are (to the extent of my knowledge) treated with totally different approaches?

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    12. Re:Relates to neurological disease as well by yttrstein · · Score: 5, Interesting

      First, I have to say, take the following with a grain of salt, since it's anecdotal:

      Most of the research on the 'racetam family of bioactives has been done in Russia, and because of this there are both mistrusts and language barriers to overcome, but in doing so I discovered some pretty massively interesting studies all about specifically myelin sheath issues. So, since these substances are freely available in the US without any kind of prescription (unlike Russia, interestingly), I purchased a few and fed them to my mother, who is in the last couple of stages of post polio syndrome, which among other things (to put it in a nutshell) severely inhibits myelin effectiveness in nerve sheath maintenance. When she started the regimen a year ago, she couldn't walk at all and had great difficulty grasping things with her left hand, and was also in tremdous pain.

      Just a week ago she and I walked about six blocks to a restaurant, and then back. She can grasp things in her left hand fairly well at this point, and is in very little pain.

      I don't know myelin "helping" nootropics are the holy grail of neurological disorders, but they appear to have helped at least one person tremendously.

    13. Re:Relates to neurological disease as well by ferespo · · Score: 1

      ALS it's not related to myelin loss. ALS is a disease of the motor neurons which start to die and nobody knows why, even less if it is autoimmune or not.

      And MS is thought to be autoimmune but that is not a certainty like in Lupus or rheumatoid arthritis.

    14. Re:Relates to neurological disease as well by DiegoBravo · · Score: 1

      Maybe they're shy to write ALSA in a Linux-centric site.

    15. Re:Relates to neurological disease as well by turtledawn · · Score: 1

      Apple-like software?

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    16. Re:Relates to neurological disease as well by thepotoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      but they appear to have helped at least one person

      I'm not dissing you or your mother, but that could have been the placebo effect. Without a control group, we'll never know. I'm happy for you in any case, and I would say that if nothing else we need more research here.

      Interesting article. This drug "reboots" the immune system, allowing myelin sheathes to reform. I'm waiting to see if these results can be duplicated; if so this stuff might actually be the holy grail you speak of.

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    17. Re:Relates to neurological disease as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean I'm an anal-retentive douchebag.

    18. Re:Relates to neurological disease as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does MicroSoft and All Ladies Shaved have to do with this?

    19. Re:Relates to neurological disease as well by thepotoo · · Score: 1

      those processes by which animals obtain and retain information about their social environments, and use that information to make behavioral decisions

      From Kamil, A. C. 1987. A synthetic approach to the study of animal intelligence. Nebr. Symp. Motiv. 7, 257-308.

      There. I just defined intelligence for you. Now, if you wanted to say that these guys designed a poor experiment to test for it go right ahead (someone above me said it perfectly).

      I'd also like to get a citation for your claim that people have lost significant hunks of their brains with little detrimental effect. The case that's usually cited is this dude, but if you read the Wiki article you see that he was pretty messed up by the whole experience.
      You also see "significant hunks" of brain damage in stroke victims, and my understanding is that the brain simply routes around (by building new synapses) this now-dead region; the process of rerouting takes about 3 months, and people are never the same afterward (you can get close, but never 100%).

      Our understanding right now is that the entire brain is used for something, and if you lobotomize part of the brain, you're going to lose whatever that part did.

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    20. Re:Relates to neurological disease as well by yttrstein · · Score: 1

      Yes absolutely, it could be any number of things, including possibly placebo---which, if responsible for nerve and muscle tissue regeneration, would be another thing to research here.

    21. Re:Relates to neurological disease as well by thepotoo · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Hmmm, I can't find the statistics right now, but for stroke victims, the amount you tell them they will get better makes much more difference than any administration of drugs.

      The placebo effect on brain development/neurogenesis/related is huge. IIRC the research I read was comparing "you will get perfect again", both with and without some drug (Valium?) to "you might get better, but you won't be as good as before" with and without the drug.

      No one ever got completely perfect again, but people who were told that they would fared better. These were reproduced a couple of times, and MRIs showed significant (yes, statistically significant) neurogenesis difference, although not by a wide margin.

      Note: I'm now completely offtopic, talking about loss of blood supply and permanent brain damage while TFA is talking about myelination.

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    22. Re:Relates to neurological disease as well by greywire · · Score: 1

      What are these substances? Where can I get some?

      I just turned 38 and my knee-jerk reaction to this article is find something to save my brain before my next birthday.

      Please save me.

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    23. Re:Relates to neurological disease as well by lolocaust · · Score: 1

      The Wikipedia articles for both substances state the "brand name" that they are available under.

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    24. Re:Relates to neurological disease as well by Darkman,+Walkin+Dude · · Score: 1

      There. I just defined intelligence for you.

      Good man, go ahead and collect your Nobel prize. All those nice people working in AI will be delighted to hear it, too. Stick to your philosophising, Horatio.

      I'd also like to get a citation for your claim that people have lost significant hunks of their brains with little detrimental effect.

      I knew a man once, he had been shot twice in the head, and not a thing wrong with him, except he used to wear a hat all the time. You can ask him for a citation if you like.

    25. Re:Relates to neurological disease as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for saying what I was going to say.

    26. Re:Relates to neurological disease as well by yttrstein · · Score: 1

      I want to be careful here, because the first one I mentioned, phenylpiracetam, is on the dope list for most athletics in most countries currently (though its still legal to purchase and use in other sorts of environments without a prescription), and rightfully so--positively effecting physical stamina profoundly.

      As such, it is also not entirely safe. Some nootropics are completely harmless, such as piracetam. But some can cause serious issues at high dosages, like phenylpiracetam and pramiracetam. If you decide you want to see what these substances do to you personally, I cannot stress highly enough doing all the research you possibly can before doing so.

      That said, I've had pretty incredible effects myself from three of the `racetams. I use them to work against a short term memory deficit I acquired recovering from an accident some years ago. People whom I know who take any number of nootropics in order to boost what's already naturally there often come away disappointed, though some few find good results.

      YMMV in the biggest way on this one. And again, research research research.

      I can't in good conscience tell you where you can purchase these things online, because I don't like directing anyone to spend money from inside a public forum that's for an entirely different purpose, but during your research you'll find a number of legitimate places with good reputations. Don't forget to get opinions on that as well.

    27. Re:Relates to neurological disease as well by David+M.+Sweeney · · Score: 1

      Which begs the question...

      Inigo Montoya would like a word with you.

    28. Re:Relates to neurological disease as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Insensitive clod.

    29. Re:Relates to neurological disease as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      we have no real definition of what "intelligence" is

      Mental ability.

    30. Re:Relates to neurological disease as well by cailith1970 · · Score: 1

      Completely agree. My professor is in her mid 40s. I defy anyone to say that she's slowing down. In fact I defy anyone to actually keep up with her, danged if she hasn't the fastest mind I've ever seen. I suggest that mental deterioration depends wholly upon the individual person and their circumstances.

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    31. Re:Relates to neurological disease as well by Alioth · · Score: 1

      But it's not ludicrous to say in general, a population's brain will reach its peak at around age X. If you were to make a wide study of mental capacity vs age in the population, and plot a graph of where the mental peak of each person in the population, you'd probably get a bell curve. If this study is right, the peak of this bell curve would be about 39. Some people will degrade earlier, some later - but averaged out over a few million people, you can say some general things about what you tend to expect of that population.

  5. That Explains... by Scootesti · · Score: 1

    All those mid 80s Crown Victorias that come out of nowhere, seemingly as if the old fart driving didn't see you coming... maybe he didn't, but maybe he did and it was too late to move his foot 6 inches to the left...

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  6. Midlife crisis by bloodninja · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is probably what leads to a midlife crisis. One day you wake up smarter than you've ever been and go "holy shit, I've been a jackass all these years". Then you go and do something about it.

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    1. Re:Midlife crisis by lixee · · Score: 1

      And by "do something about it", you mean get a divorce?

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    2. Re:Midlife crisis by bloodninja · · Score: 1

      That, or something else mentioned here.

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    3. Re:Midlife crisis by hondo77 · · Score: 1

      That's the "kids leaving home"-triggered midlife crisis...so I've heard...not that I'm planning anything...for nine years from now...

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    4. Re:Midlife crisis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Hmmmm. Midlife crises? Jackass-ery? Do something?

      I had my midlife crisis at 39. I decided to "go and do something." The thing I did was 17 years old, drop-dead gorgeous, and had enough "daddy issues" to last a lifetime.

      It all worked out pretty well and we're still friends but I gotta say this: Realizing that you're 40 years old and you're agonizing over the choice of what present to get your girlfriend for her high school graduation is pretty much the *definition* of jackass.

      That was a long time ago. I'm an old fart now and I've learned in the ensuing years that it's pretty easy to find stunningly attractive women of all ages who still have exploitable daddy issues. Thank heavens for divorce, broken homes, absent fathers, and the screwed-up daughters that those things produce. If not for them, I'd never get laid.

    5. Re:Midlife crisis by ewrong · · Score: 1

      You are a sick man but I'm taking notes.

    6. Re:Midlife crisis by DrCode · · Score: 1

      Yea... if you've ever read advice on avoiding divorce, the big theme is "stay together for your kids". Once you realize that your kids' childhood is almost over, like when the youngest is close to finishing high school, that advice can backfire.:-)

  7. With three weeks to go until my 39th birthday.... by pez · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...I have to say I expected a little more ;-)

  8. My response to this... by whyde · · Score: 1

    All I have to say is, "Yeah!" quickly followed by, "Oh, crap!"

  9. Speed of life and life itself are different things by tftp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    some people may think "life begins at 40," all it seems to do is slow down

    There is no contradiction, IMO. I know people who are so fast they don't have time to live, they are always five minutes late for something. Life begins when you can slow down, relax and think.

  10. Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ha ha woo hoo, things are still on the up! Brain that is.......................the rest is sadly flaccid!

    1. Re:Awesome! by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Ha ha woo hoo, things are still on the up! Brain that is.......................the rest is sadly flaccid!

      Thankfully they now have drugs for that.

  11. speed isn't that important by thermian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Once, over a period of a week when I was in my twenties, I got repeatedly destroyed at chess by a guy in his eighties. Seriously, I have never been so utterly unable to outthink anyone in my life, and I'm a pretty good chess player.

    He started playing chess as a boy, and while he did tend to ramble on a bit, if his mind wasn't as sharp as it used to be, it must have once been able to cut diamonds...

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    1. Re:speed isn't that important by lysergic.acid · · Score: 1

      did that old man happen to be Magneto?

    2. Re:speed isn't that important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did he have an onion tied to his belt?

    3. Re:speed isn't that important by Cornflake917 · · Score: 1

      Were you playing speed chess? The article was talking about brain speed. Regardless, I think it's obvious that he was better than you because he has more experience playing chess. I don't think chess is some objective measure of one's brain power. People with abnormally gifted minds might have an advantage at chess, but beating someone at chess doesn't necessarily mean you have a more powerful brain than them.

    4. Re:speed isn't that important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once, over a period of a week when I was in my twenties, I got repeatedly destroyed at chess by a guy in his eighties. Seriously, I have never been so utterly unable to outthink anyone in my life, and I'm a pretty good chess player.

      He started playing chess as a boy, and while he did tend to ramble on a bit, if his mind wasn't as sharp as it used to be, it must have once been able to cut diamonds...

      "Speed isn't that important" is relative to the task at hand. Chess isn't exactly lightning-fast reflexes. Reaction times are measured in minutes, not seconds. Still, pretty damn impressive for his age.

    5. Re:speed isn't that important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sure, but he's specialized. He may be a god at one thing and terrible at all others. If as someone ages they can get 3 times as good at one thing but end up half as good at all others they may actually be more desirable for that task, but if things change, they could be up shit creek without a job.

    6. Re:speed isn't that important by jtgd · · Score: 1

      They said you slow down. They didn't say you don't keep getting better.

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  12. Myelin supplement scams are next by schwit1 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just like the Glucosamine Chondroitin scams. I'm seeing them now for pets.

  13. Oh no! by T.E.D. · · Score: 4, Funny

    Being 41, I was rather dismayed to see this article. Even more upsetting was the fact that I then proceeded to left click on it, rather than my ususal middle-click to open it in a tab.

    Oh no! It's starting already!

    1. Re:Oh no! by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      See if you can guess when I learned that you can middle-click to open a link in a new tab. ;)

      Thanks for the tip; that'll save me a fair bit of time and clicking during the day.

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    2. Re:Oh no! by VeNoM0619 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Middle-clicking is becoming a new thing(?). You can middle click to open links in new tabs, middle click the tab to close the tab, that's just for web browsing. I have noticed that newer programs support new functions with middle clicking certain areas... I'm still waiting for support for an 8 button mouse though.

      Seriously, we have a 100+ key keyboard for the left hand, and 3 whole friggin buttons for my right hand? No wonder I started out life right handed and ended up becoming ambidextrous.

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    3. Re:Oh no! by belthize · · Score: 1

            I know what you mean I turned 41 yesterday and
      I started reading this and thinking dang ... all
      this due to plasma rockets not being able to grow
      past a certain .. umm wait .. what ? Stupid
      teenage hackers.

      Belthize

    4. Re:Oh no! by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      I'm still waiting for support for an 8 button mouse though.

      I always use an 8 button mouse. It's a Logitech Cordless Optical TrackMan. I own four of them, one on each computer I use regularly and one backup to swap in in case one stops working, so I have something I can use until my next trip to the store. (I decided to pick up the spare after I had one fail and had trouble locating a replacement quickly -- I was 39 at the time, so it must have been a great idea.)

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    5. Re:Oh no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, we have a 100+ key keyboard for the left hand, and 3 whole friggin buttons for my right hand?

      As a left-handed Mac user, I have >100 keys for my left hand, and one button for my right.

  14. Damn by Kazymyr · · Score: 1

    I'll be 39 in 2 months, and I feel like I hit the bottom, not the peak.

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    1. Re:Damn by Pahroza · · Score: 2, Insightful

      More than likely you are now wise enough to know that you don't know everything.

  15. Brain works worst... by internerdj · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Upon contact with an attractive female.

    1. Re:Brain works worst... by steelfood · · Score: 1

      I suspect it has to do with the lack of blood making it up there.

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  16. Ahem ... by foobsr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... they base their result on a sample of 72 persons within an age range from 23 to 80.

    Science at its best.

    CC.

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    1. Re:Ahem ... by jbeaupre · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's still science. Weak or strong statistacally, science is body of work based on "Cool! Hey everybody, check this out!" followed either by "Hey, that is cool!" or "Dork, you forgot to carry the one!" Sometimes both.

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    2. Re:Ahem ... by Capt+James+McCarthy · · Score: 2, Funny

      ... they base their result on a sample of 72 persons within an age range from 23 to 80.

      Science at its best.

      CC.

      They were the only ones in the hospital at the time.

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    3. Re:Ahem ... by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's still _BAD_ science.

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    4. Re:Ahem ... by internerdj · · Score: 1

      And the ones closest to 39 actually knew they were at the hospital... Meaning those furthest away from 39 didn't know where they were. Hmmm. That actually sounds about right.

    5. Re:Ahem ... by Thiez · · Score: 2, Informative

      Okay, so maybe they are a little wrong and the actual age of brainy awesomeness is some other number between 35-45. That doesn't make the whole study wrong. What is interesting is that the age they found was 39 instead of, say, 23. We shouldn't start publishing their results in schoolbooks all over the world yet, but the results are interesting and invite further research on the subject.

      Don't expect EVERY study to involve thousands of people, that would be way too expensive. Instead you check interesting hypotheses with small groups of people and when you find something interesting you repeat the experiment with a larger group.

      Science at its best indeed.

    6. Re:Ahem ... by hondo77 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't expect EVERY study to involve thousands of people...

      Just the good ones.

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    7. Re:Ahem ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not bad science, it's bad reporting. It is the result of a single study. Now that a conclusion has been made based on an initial study, more studies will be necessary to confirm, refute, or refine that conclusion.

    8. Re:Ahem ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's still _BAD_ science.

      Other than simply suggesting that the N is too small, can you tell me why it's 'bad science'? In fact, why is the sample size perhaps sufficient or not? Are power calculations constrained by baseline knowledge? I haven't read the article but am always curious about arm-chair research. Other than accidentally being correct what's your justification?

    9. Re:Ahem ... by Chapter80 · · Score: 4, Funny

      ... they base their result on a sample of 72 persons within an age range from 23 to 80.

      What do you expect? The researcher was in his 40's. He was much better a few years back...

    10. Re:Ahem ... by doom · · Score: 1

      Yes, the study is based on 72 male Americans in the LA region, if I read the "news" article correctly. Traditionally, people in the United States have confused the effects of years of abuse (e.g. guzzling alcohol) with the effects of aging -- it would take a lot of cross-cultural studies to pin down whether 39 is some sort of biologically hardwired magic number, or if it varies a lot with diet and exercise habits and so on.

  17. Just the speed of reaction by NoNeeeed · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From what I have read, this only appears to apply to the speed of thought, which impacts on our reaction speeds. This would chime with most people's experience of ageing.

    What I would be interesting in is whether it actually has a knock-on effect on the quality of cognitive ability. Does thinking faster equal thinking better?

    Also, I wonder if the increase in experience is enough to overcome the reduction in reaction speeds. For example a 17 year old may have a great reaction speed, but that doesn't automatically make them a better driver than a 40 year-old with 20+ years of predicting the motion of objects travelling at speed and planning accordingly.

    1. Re:Just the speed of reaction by Life2Short · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As a wise man once said to me: "A new broom sweeps like hell, but the old broom knows where the dirt is..."

    2. Re:Just the speed of reaction by MozeeToby · · Score: 1

      Testing the speed of thought based on reaction times reminds me how back in the day they used to test IQ by figuring out how many different colors you could see or frequencies you could hear. The logic being that these things are rooted in the brain and therefore must be a direct measurement of the brains power.

      I think a more accurate discription would be that the speed of electrical signals in the brain peaks at 39. We don't even know how that relates to the actual rates of cognition (or even if there is such a thing).

    3. Re:Just the speed of reaction by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      For example a 17 year old may have a great reaction speed, but that doesn't automatically make them a better driver than a 40 year-old with 20+ years of predicting the motion of objects travelling at speed and planning accordingly.

      This is why I hate the trend of trying to push the driving age up instead of down. Being 16 doesn't make you a bad driver. Having less than a year of experience makes you a bad driver. Pushing the driving age up, just shifts the risk to drivers that are a year older because they are now the drivers with less than a year of experience. Heck, I would be WAY more worried about getting in a car with a 30 year old with less than a year of driving experience than I would a 16 year old with less than a year of experience.

    4. Re:Just the speed of reaction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a wise man once said to me: "A new broom sweeps like hell, but the old broom knows where the dirt is..."

      Was he in his 40s?
      I'm pretty sure that a broom can't know where dirt is..(but IANACE, I Am Not A Custodial Engineer).

      In case you are 40+, I'm saying that a broom lacks a brain. Therefore, a broom, regardless of age, race, or gender, likely knows very little about anything.

    5. Re:Just the speed of reaction by haruchai · · Score: 1

      That's a really bad paraphrase of an old maxim:
      "New brooms sweep clean, but old ones know the corners"

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    6. Re:Just the speed of reaction by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      IMO, it's a combination. An average 30 y/o who started driving 6 months ago is STILL a better driver than the average 16 1/2 y/o, simplay because the teen is more reckless, and generally more of an idiot. That doesn't mean the novice 30 y/o is a GOOD driver; s/he will still make lots of dumb mistakes and get in a few accidents before learning how to avoid the other fools on the road.

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  18. Speed? Psh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Speed has little to do with efficiency of the mind believe it or not, otherwise computers would be sapient by now. The proof is in so called "mathematical prodigies" that can solve massive arithmetic problems in astounding time. You may think that their brain operates "fast" but the reality is that there is are an insurmountable quantity of techniques used to achieve this "speed". In the end, there are also subconscious heuristic techniques that the mind develops with practice. Also, "speed" can come from a shortening of distance (similar to the shrinking transistor industry). The mind achieves this by lowering information down the cortical hierarchy. This is the reason that children have to read words letter by letter, and speed reading adults read pages sentence by sentence. So if you keep exercising your mind, there is no peak. Granted this article is about neural circuitry and it will be more difficulty in reaching a higher peak with the biological underpinnings of the mind slowly degrading, but I just wanted to clear up that speedier doesn't always mean faster.

  19. That explains a lot! by erroneus · · Score: 1

    The birth rate among people aged 40 and above drops significantly. Might there be a connection between the brain working better and not having children? (And let's leave Sarah Palin out of this one...)

  20. Why is it deteriorating, though by brian0918 · · Score: 1

    Why is the myelin deteriorating? Has this deterioration been observed for the last couple centuries, or is it a recent occurrence? Are people known to have had such neural disorders (I'm guessing Alzheimer's is an example) long ago?

    1. Re:Why is it deteriorating, though by pablomme · · Score: 1

      Myelin was discovered in 1854, and I don't think it's been measured in humans for too long. Any study in this direction will be pure statistical noise, and even if there were tons of data it would be biased by the improvement in measuring techniques.

      This is similar to the claims that have been made in the past decade that men are becoming less fertile. I don't know where I read this, but it turns out that these claims are based on comparisons between pears and apples: old data refer to total sperm count, while with current technologies you also detect defective sperm and subtract...

      Despite the big CITATION NEEDED on what I said, one has to be careful with historical data because chances are they are wildly inaccurate.

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    2. Re:Why is it deteriorating, though by brian0918 · · Score: 1

      That sounds sort of like the huge heart disease death "epidemic" that occurred when they added heart disease as a choice for cause of death.

  21. College NOW by theaveng · · Score: 1

    So if I want to back to college, I should do it now at age 37, while my brain is near peak capacity, rather than wait until I'm a doddering 40-something. ;-)

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    1. Re:College NOW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have signatures disabled. Does that mean that you either type or cut and paste the - posted with LYNX, a Commodore 64 web browser (using 2 kbit/s modem) every time? If so, why not just put it in a signature that I can ignore?

    2. Re:College NOW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His sig is,

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  22. What about exercise? by rrohbeck · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It is well known that regular intense exercise has a profound impact on aging and brain performance.
    I can't take a report serious that doesn't take the effect of exercise into consideration and doesn't even mention it.
    So does 39 apply to complete couch potatoes? Average Americans with little exercise? Athletes?

    1. Re:What about exercise? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      blah, blah, blah..

      exercise solves everything, blah blah blah.

      I am so sick of hearing from you health nuts about exercise.......

      oh, wait:

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17497667

      In line with the demonstrated ability of exercise to increase the regenerative potential of neurons, here we show that exercise reduces the inhibitory capacity of myelin. Cortical neurons grown on myelin from exercised rats showed a more pronounced neurite extension compared with neurons grown on poly-D-lysine, or on myelin extracted from sedentary animals. The activity of cyclin-dependent kinase 5, a kinase involved in neurite outgrowth, was found to be increased in cortical neurons grown on exercise-myelin and in the lumbar spinal cord enlargement of exercised animals. Exercise significantly decreased the levels of myelin-associated glycoprotein (MAG), a potent axonal growth inhibitor, suggesting that downregulation of MAG is part of the mechanism through which exercise reduces growth inhibition. It is known that exercise elevates brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF) spinal cord levels and that BDNF acts to overcome the inhibitory effects of myelin.

    2. Re:What about exercise? by tjebe · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Exercise has been shown (at least in lab animals) to preserve the myelin sheath from pathologic changes which occur with time. Like you mentioned, I would hazard a guess that this is more a function of decreased exercise and physical activity than directly from aging. And this quote is one of the more nonsensical statements I've heard in awhile: "That may well be why, besides achy joints and arthritis, even the fittest athletes retire and all older people move slower than they did when they were younger." Wtf?! If they're the fittest, well by definition they're still the best. And if the quote is referring simply to aerobic fitness, I imagine most highly fit athletes don't retire due to mental slowness, but for many other reasons (traveling, lots o money, etc.)

    3. Re:What about exercise? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      exercise solves everything, blah blah blah.

      Straw man arguments are lies.

    4. Re:What about exercise? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Straw man arguments are lies.

      It was a joke. If you were 39, you'd realize that.

  23. Re:Speed of life and life itself are different thi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Life begins when you can slow down, relax and think.

    It always start that way for me, then I end up either on Slashdot, or masturbating. :-(

  24. Like wires? by mweather · · Score: 1

    Anyone who has touched an uninsulated wire can attest that it still conducts electricity just as well as with insulation.

    1. Re:Like wires? by PRMan · · Score: 1

      I think the idea is that data can move faster across a well-shielded wire and will pick up more interference and thus need to slow down for error correction.

      I know this because I am almost 39.

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    2. Re:Like wires? by UCSCTek · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, that analogy fails. Here is the conduction mechanism in myelinated fibers.

    3. Re:Like wires? by Bloodoflethe · · Score: 1

      I'm glad you have a clue about how electricity works ~

      Would you like me to teach you about dielectric materials and capacitance or would you like to learn some of the basic precepts of electricity first?

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    4. Re:Like wires? by mweather · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, that analogy fails.

      Yeah, that was kind of my point.

    5. Re:Like wires? by UCSCTek · · Score: 1

      I'll run some diagnostics on my sarcasm meter.

  25. The brain works "best"? by BorgCopyeditor · · Score: 1

    Fastest != best. With no software to run, a processor's clock speed is mostly useless.

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  26. Re:With three weeks to go until my 39th birthday.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    not only that, but also um, Im kinda pretty sure there not really like um don't know what they talk about. It's all downhill once you turn 30 and, um, you know, stuff. um. anyways, what was I saying? ah bummer.

  27. I'd say something witty about this... by RobertSeattle · · Score: 1

    ...But I'm 45.

  28. Fatty skin? by Comboman · · Score: 3, Funny

    "The loss of a fatty skin that coats the nerve cells, called neurons, during middle age causes the slowdown, experts say.

    Loss of fatty skin? When I hit middle age, that's when I started getting fatty skin.

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    1. Re:Fatty skin? by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      It's like hair, it starts migrating from places where it's useful to places where it ain't. My hairline's been receding since my late teens and seems to have returned with a vengeance inside my nose.

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    2. Re:Fatty skin? by Molochi · · Score: 1

      Same hair, just growing in the wrong direction.

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  29. How Fast Can You Move Your Finger? by BigBlueOx · · Score: 1

    I can add an anecdotal confirmation of this study. 39 does seem to be the peak age for motor response.

    I can move my fingers/hand much much faster while looking at a picture of Cheryl Ladd when she was 39 than I can for ... well ... be fair, most anything else.

  30. Im 39 by zeldor · · Score: 1

    but I think my brain worked best 10-15 years ago

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  31. Not mine. by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Brains Work Best At Age of 39

    I was in a bad car wreck at age 24, dropped ten points on my IQ. Lucky for me it was 142 before the wreck.

    It seems to have gotten progressively better since then, until a few years ago when it kind of reached a plateau; I don't think I'm as creative as I was a few years ago.

    When the sheath deteriorates, signals passing along the neurons in the brain slow down. This means reaction times in the body are slower too.

    That doesn't mean you're not as smart, it means your reflexes are slower. You're born as intelligent as you'll ever be; your capacity to learn is at its maximum. However, you are also as ignorant as you'll ever be, as you know absolutely nothing whatever.

    A middle aged professor I once knew was fond of telling his students "I've forgotten more than you've ever learned".

    1. Re:Not mine. by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      If you were on cardiac bypass or were cooled and then rewarmed too quickly, you might be suffering from Pump Head.

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    2. Re:Not mine. by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I have no heart disease, my mental impairment came from being hit in the face with a three quarter ton puckup truck travelling 70 MPH while I was in a Gremlin doing 50 in the opposite direction.

      I know what a cockroach feels like when you step on him.

    3. Re:Not mine. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "A middle aged professor I once knew was fond of telling his students "I've forgotten more than you've ever learned"."

      At which point we should all ask if he still *remembers* more than we've learned...

    4. Re:Not mine. by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      Wow. I'd say you're lucky to be alive. I didn't know if you'd suffered torn arteries or other circulatory injuries that would've required heart surgery. A 3/4 ton truck to the forehead would explain it!

      Seriously, best of luck to you - I hope you've recovered as best you can and are enjoying life.

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    5. Re:Not mine. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are completely right.

      The myelination (insulation) that they speak of is the cause of slowing neuronal activity, but not in the sense that we may commonly think. Yes, with lack of myelination the normal neuronal activity will slow, as myelin is a catalyst for the axonal depolarization, however, this does not by any means cause the brain as a whole to slow!! Not ALL neurons are myelinated, and the ones that are are usually the motor neuron that cause movement etc. If ANYTHING one MAY conclude from this myelin degeneration beginning at the age of 39 (which again is subject to individual differences) is that reflexes are not what they are at the age of 25.

    6. Re:Not mine. by LionMage · · Score: 1

      You're born as intelligent as you'll ever be; your capacity to learn is at its maximum. However, you are also as ignorant as you'll ever be, as you know absolutely nothing whatever.

      Depends on how you define "intelligent." Certainly, a newborn doesn't have all the neurons that they'll ever have -- that peaks later on. (The brain has grown to 90% of its eventual mass by the age of 6.) And standardized intelligence test results can fluctuate wildly for a given person throughout life, though they supposedly converge to some reliable value in adulthood, barring mishap. (There are counter-examples, which is why I used the "supposedly" qualifier.) Some intelligent behavior definitely relies upon a large fund of general knowledge, something people commonly refer to as "wisdom" or even "common sense." Consider that there are many different kinds of intelligence that have been identified, and that many of these are not normally tested for.

      Even ignoring that not all neural structures are there at birth, I would also say that genetics are not the sole governor of future intelligence. A stimulating, challenging environment can help. Studies have shown some children improve their intelligence test scores after a substantial environmental change/improvement.

      I don't think "capacity to learn" is a good definition of intelligence, although it's a component. (Imagine a person who has a seemingly infinite capacity to absorb knowledge, but lacks advanced reasoning skills.)

    7. Re:Not mine. by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I would also say that genetics are not the sole governor of future intelligence. A stimulating, challenging environment can help.

      My dad use to say "One 'oh shit' wipes out a whole bunch of 'attaboy's". Alas, it's far easier to ruin a brain than it is to improve it, as I found out when mine got whacked by a 3/4 ton pickup truck. A fraction of a second wiped out ten points of IQ, and I'm not sure I have it all back a quarter of a century later.

  32. The pivotal moment of human thought by JimboTheMagnifico · · Score: 1

    So the most pivotal moment of human thought is 10:04pm at age 39? I need to start planning and make sure I have a notebook or something... cite: http://idle.slashdot.org/idle/08/10/20/1652246.shtml

  33. the comments here are negative by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    indicating the average age of the slashdotter reading this story is over 39

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    1. Re:the comments here are negative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or under 39.

  34. FRAUD ALERT -- Slashdot pseudo-science by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Fraud Alert: The results are wildly over-interpreted. The conclusions are guessing, not science.

    Maybe older people don't take finger-tapping seriously. Maybe younger people are far more likely to have played computer games.

    I met a man who was 55 who told me that he didn't get a good score on a computer pinball game he had just begun playing because he was old. Two weeks later, when I saw him again, he said his score had tripled.

    Quote from the article linked by Slashdot: "Significantly, the research suggests that the myelin breakdown process should also reduce all other brain functions for which performance speed is dependent on higher AP frequencies, including memory; ..."

    That's wild over-interpretation. There is no "should" in science. There is only theory, and it is necessary to emphasize that theories are only that, theories.

    1. Re:FRAUD ALERT -- Slashdot pseudo-science by Ostracus · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      "That's wild over-interpretation. There is no "should" in science. There is only theory, and it is necessary to emphasize that theories are only that, theories."

      So's evolution. Oh wait!

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    2. Re:FRAUD ALERT -- Slashdot pseudo-science by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 3, Funny

      So in a nutshell you're saying I'm not too old and slow to get a first post.

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    3. Re:FRAUD ALERT -- Slashdot pseudo-science by pseudorand · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe so, but I'm still planning on increasing my intake of bacon, fried chicken and greasy burgers, you know, just in case.

    4. Re:FRAUD ALERT -- Slashdot pseudo-science by Bloodoflethe · · Score: 5, Informative

      I think that the word you seek with regard to their interpretation of the results is "hypothesis". Were it a Theory, then a claim of over-interpretation would need citation.

      This is besides the fact that the "word" over-interpretation doesn't make sense. Try "wild speculation" or "gross misinterpretation" next time.

      As to the There is no "should" in science thing: try learning about science one day. Any scientific hypothesis must be able to make certain predictions. Predictions are worded in the subjunctive or conditional, depending on the subject matter and placement of the word. The use of the word "should" in relation to science is quite appropriate for the purposes of prediction.

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    5. Re:FRAUD ALERT -- Slashdot pseudo-science by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      Just tag the story "!science" and move on.

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    6. Re:FRAUD ALERT -- Slashdot pseudo-science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fraud Alert: The results are wildly over-interpreted. The conclusions are guessing, not science.

      Maybe older people don't take finger-tapping seriously. Maybe younger people are far more likely to have played computer games.

      I met a man who was 55 who told me that he didn't get a good score on a computer pinball game he had just begun playing because he was old. Two weeks later, when I saw him again, he said his score had tripled.

      Quote from the article linked by Slashdot: "Significantly, the research suggests that the myelin breakdown process should also reduce all other brain functions for which performance speed is dependent on higher AP frequencies, including memory; ..."

      That's wild over-interpretation. There is no "should" in science. There is only theory, and it is necessary to emphasize that theories are only that, theories.

      Seems that you should refer to it as a hypothesis, rather than a theory. A hypothesis is an assumption based upon observations, while a theory is a step further, that those observations now have a repeatability and therefore create a more regular, measurable performance expectation.

      The "theory" of evolution is based upon a set of observable principles, but common folk think this means the science is totally unproven.

      That's the thing - the science has been empirically proven, which makes it a valid theory, not merely a "hypothetical assumption".

    7. Re:FRAUD ALERT -- Slashdot pseudo-science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking as a 39-year-old,.. I've never been so happy with to see something debunked!

    8. Re:FRAUD ALERT -- Slashdot pseudo-science by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      Obviously old people can learn things but in most instances their brains aren't as good just like the rest of their bodies. It's called getting old. There is no harm in talking about old people like that as it'll happen to all of us.

    9. Re:FRAUD ALERT -- Slashdot pseudo-science by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, there are plenty of old people with brains in greater condition than many people in their prime. I'm sure everyone's already heard the whole "the brain is like a muscle" thing before. Sure, the process of aging is very real, but there's more to it than that when it comes to optimal health etc.

    10. Re:FRAUD ALERT -- Slashdot pseudo-science by LionMage · · Score: 1

      Words of caution are always appropriate for any new scientific discovery, but you totally fail in your final paragraph:

      There is no "should" in science. There is only theory, and it is necessary to emphasize that theories are only that, theories.

      On the contrary, "should" is entirely appropriate when discussing predictions, which any scientific theory must make in order for it to be a useful theory. As for your treatment of the word theory, you fail for using the term in a pejorative sense (e.g., "it's only a theory"). Universal Gravitation is "only a theory," too.

      Obviously, further research is warranted to verify these predictions. So no, this is not pseudo-science.

      What is pseudo-science is you bringing up a personal anecdote which you can't even verify, because the man you spoke to gave you second-hand information -- you have no way to verify that his claims are valid.

    11. Re:FRAUD ALERT -- Slashdot pseudo-science by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      Correction: There is no "should" in American science, learning about the subjunctive or the conditional is no longer a requirement in the US K-12 education. You sir, must be really old, or some kind of foreigner, to flaunt your advanced knowledge of both grammar and science.

  35. Bad reporting, more like by Sockatume · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The fuck it is. It's bad reporting. The actual research is all about how motor response speed correlates extremely well with myelin degradation, and discusses how this backs up the idea that myelin degradation is important in the aging of the brain and the resulting reduced physical ability. Even the press release, entitled "Physical decline caused by slow decay of brain's myelin" only mentions the 39-year figure once, and only in the context of this particular sample group, two-thirds of the way down the web page. 39 is the age at which finger tapping speed and myelin integrity both peak and begin to decline. At no point do the researchers claim that this has anything to do with cognative performance, let alone extrapolate it to say that there's some magic age at which mental function begins to decline.

    That story is a creation of the media which have decided to run with "brains work best at age of 39" for no readily appreciable fucking reason. Next time, hacks, save some effort and just put a bunch of words in a hat and make up the story based on those.

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    1. Re:Bad reporting, more like by Bloodoflethe · · Score: 1

      That story is a creation of the media which have decided to run with "brains work best at age of 39" for no readily appreciable fucking reason. Next time, hacks, save some effort and just put a bunch of words in a hat and make up the story based on those.

      Thank you, sir. I couldn't have said it better myself.

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  36. Lose Weight! by mfh · · Score: 1

    Think about all the middle aged crisis fools who shed fat without considering the ramifications. They are melting their brains!

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  37. Coding too by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Sure the young 'uns can sit up all night and crank out code fast, but quite often the older guys will be relaxing and thinking a bit more and come up with better code.

    But that might also be because by age 40 you'd probably have diverted into management if you were no good at coding.

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    1. Re:Coding too by ewrong · · Score: 1

      I'm 34 and actively avoiding management. I wonder how long I can keep it up. /notpun

    2. Re:Coding too by DrCode · · Score: 1

      I'm 20 years older than you and still coding in C. The work doesn't seem any harder, but it definitely becomes more difficult to find jobs.

    3. Re:Coding too by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      I'm 20 years older than you and still coding in C. The work doesn't seem any harder, but it definitely becomes more difficult to find jobs.

      I'm also older than the young'un GP, although not quite 20 years older. Nevertheless, I used to code in C and still do when the opportunity presents, but these days it's easier to find work programming in PHP or Python. Are you just avoiding those or have you never picked up newer languages? Might be time to pick up some newer skills. Programmers only fossilize when they stop moving...

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    4. Re:Coding too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I'm giving up now at your age, in part because of ergonomic issues. But it's also about job security. I know that people can code at 65, but most managers don't, so it's better to be on that side of the fence when they years start creeping on you.

      Besides, I'll still be coding some. But it really helps my body that I don't have to do it full-time.

  38. Fastest != Best by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just because older brains don't necessarily work as fast as younger ones doesn't mean they don't work better. Plenty of better thinking is slower than the fastest stuff, like jumping to conclusions. And the older brains have lots more information and habits that can be more powerful than the newer ones. This is known to humans as "wisdom".

    Besides, just getting to the wrong answer faster is not "better".

    Just some more reasons people say "age and guile will beat youth and talent any day". Even if younger people just zip around without realizing it.

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    1. Re:Fastest != Best by phorm · · Score: 1

      Slower CPU to process it, but lots of useful information in the old grey-matter database? :-)

    2. Re:Fastest != Best by thepotoo · · Score: 1
      I'm trying to track down the actual paper right now (not the hack reporting job) so I may be talking out my ass, but what the researchers observed is demylenation. This makes your neurons conduct signals slower, yes, but it probably provides crucial regulation and may even be critical to consciousness (mylenation of the cerebellum is one of the big evolutionary divides that separates great apes from other species).

      If you want the extreme case, talk to someone with MS. My aunt died of it a few years back, and it was not pretty.

      When we say demylenation, we're not talking about just the same answer but slower, we're talking about entirely reduced functionality.

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    3. Re:Fastest != Best by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1

      You use an interesting version of that quote. I've typically seen it written, "Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" -- and I think that's both more true and more inspiring. But guile certainly sounds nicer...

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  39. Why didn't the others think for themselves? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank you, Sockatume. MOD PARENT UP!!! "That story is a creation of the media..."

    Anyone interested in studying brain function should study why the other people who responded to this article couldn't see that.

    1. Re:Why didn't the others think for themselves? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      too lazy. that's why.

  40. lost in translation by trb · · Score: 1
    The quote in the lead paragraph for this article was not in the referenced article. I checked, because the first sentence was so poorly constructed, with a textbook-worthy example of a dangling modifier:

    The loss of a fatty skin that coats the nerve cells, called neurons, during middle age causes the slowdown, experts say.

    If the article is about the loss of the fatty sheath, why mention what nerve cells are called?

    The base UCLA article explains that the fatty sheath (myelin) is around nerve fibers (axons) not nerve cells (neurons). The bad quote was copied from telegraph.co.uk, and I found it ironic in an article about loss of mental acuity.

    My wild guess is that the British writer saw that the lead paragraph in the UCLA article was focused on baseball and it threw him a googly (howzat!) and he was overcome by the urge to rewrite.

  41. Awesome news! by edbob · · Score: 1

    Since I am turning 39 today, this is seriously awesome news.

    1. Re:Awesome news! by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      I turned 40 last month. My first reaction, reading the headline, was, "Sure, NOW you tell me!" D:<

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  42. This just in, those who eat a lowfat diet are by MrJerryNormandinSir · · Score: 1

    Stupid!

    So, go ahead and eat a nice prime rib medium well.

    Man you can't win, what's good for the heart isn't good for the brain? I think the lesson here is keep everything in balance. Don't eat ultra a low fat diet.

  43. Jack Benny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So Jack was on to something then...

  44. I knew it. by dar · · Score: 1

    I knew it! I knew it!

    What were we talking about, again?

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  45. Funny. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    LOL. Yes, I'm saying that.

    Read what Sockatume had to say below: Bad reporting, more like.

    Anyone who practices finger-tapping will become a faster finger-tapper. Probably the results of the study only show that younger people are more likely to have played computer games. Practicing motor coordination improves response times.

    In my grandparent post I meant to say that "should" indicates a theory, not that nothing is known with more sureness than theory.

    1. Re:Funny. by stranger_to_himself · · Score: 1

      Slashdot ought to either hire a science editor or stop reporting science. Although the present study isn't one of the worst by a long way.

    2. Re:Funny. by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 1

      Practicing motor coordination improves response times.

      While that's true, studies of the effectiveness of physiotherapy indicate that the older a person is, the harder it gets to improve motor skills. This study, while not large enough to be conclusive evidence of anything, does point to a mechanism to explain this effect worthy of further investigation. And I'd agree that avid gamers could slew the results, but with a larger sample size and adequate screening the error could be minimised; it isn't hard to find people in any age group who don't play video games. I'm sure the average research neurobiologist would be far more proficient at eliminating confounding factors, since it is a critical part of the job...

      The only thing the article proves is small scale preliminary studies are less common than bad science journalism.

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    3. Re:Funny. by kdemetter · · Score: 1

      Well offcourse , but then again , that's not really suprising.

      It's common knowlegde that the brain works better when you train it.

      Food also has influence on the brain. If you eat a lot of fish instead of meat , your brain will also work better.

    4. Re:Funny. by JimFive · · Score: 1

      In my grandparent post I meant to say that "should" indicates a theory, not that nothing is known with more sureness than theory.

      But you should have meant that "should" indicates a hypothesis.
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  46. Nobel Prizes by matt4077 · · Score: 1

    This somewhat contradicts the observation that most Nobel prize winners do so for research they did in their early thirties. Of course having new ideas isn't exactly the same as thinking fast. But maybe we'd get better scientists when we don't expose them to science until a later date, so that this maximum speed, some theoretical background and fresh ideas all intersect?

  47. Guess I should quit playing Brain Age by richtaur · · Score: 1

    Stupid thing keeps telling me that 20 is the ideal age.

    Also, this is just one more reason to vote Obama!

    1. Re:Guess I should quit playing Brain Age by Cornflake917 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Not necessarily. It is more reason to NOT vote for McCain (as if there aren't enough already). Obama is also older than 39. We need to have a candidate who is exactly the minimum age of 35, that way we can vote him out his second term before his brain slows down!

  48. Re:Speed of life and life itself are different thi by Caboosian · · Score: 1

    Life begins when you can slow down, relax and think.

    Unfortunately, for many of us, by the time we can slow down and relax, our thinking capability is already sliding. I think that's the paradox they're trying to refer to.

  49. Noise by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Being 44 years old now, I have noticed that I'm not able to think as clearly as I did in my early thirties. In my self analysis, however, I find the biggest culprit is "brain noise." When I think about something, irrelevant associations will pop in with much greater frequency, distracting me from "pure" concentration. Which makes me wonder if it's simply a natural consequence of life: more and more detail is stored away in my head. A younger person with a relatively "empty" head isn't as distracted by all the useless dreck and is able to form thoughts more cleanly.

    Even as I type this post, my lifetime of experience keep popping in with tangentially relevant information, not to mention songs triggered by phrases, movie quotes and other useless crapola. :D

    I've actually wondered if there are mental exercises such as meditation that might help to quiet all the noise.

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    1. Re:Noise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you find 'em, let me know, as I know exactly how you feel.

    2. Re:Noise by FooGoo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Vipassana or insight meditation is what you are looking for.

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    3. Re:Noise by Qbertino · · Score: 1

      In my self analysis, however, I find the biggest culprit is "brain noise." When I think about something, irrelevant associations will pop in with much greater frequency, distracting me from "pure" concentration.

      I observe the same effect - I'm 38 - however I think it's simply exaustion from the lack of sleep and brain-downtime. The older you grow the more structured your every day life becomes and the more compact and effective your calendar becomes and the less you notice exaustion, simply because you have become used to it in the context of what you're doing. As soon as I've had enough sleep or start to learn something entirely new - a year ago I did my GED and a first semester of CS for instance - I notice the old freshness kicking in again. Changing behaviour and thinking patters keeps the brain on edge and busy. All else is something like brain-boredom. That's where the brain-noise comes in, I think.

      My 2 cents.

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    4. Re:Noise by haruchai · · Score: 1

      I'm 44 also. The biggest change I've noticed is that I'm a LOT worse at remembering names and I have a lot more "tip of my tongue" episodes compared to 5-10 years ago.
      I did notice a dramatic worsening of my short-term memory after being knocked briefly unconscious by a car in my late teens but was otherwise fine.

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    5. Re:Noise by YttriumOxide · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When I think about something, irrelevant associations will pop in with much greater frequency, distracting me from "pure" concentration.

      I've actually wondered if there are mental exercises such as meditation that might help to quiet all the noise.

      I know the kind of noise you're talking about, and I would recommend a different approach - rather than learning a technique to "block it out", instead learn techniques for effective brain "multi-tasking". You can keep a very strong focus on the topic at hand, as well as let the useless dreck wander through without interrupting you (but if something useful floats by, you can grab it and run with it).

      My recommendation for this would be to overly excite your brain for a bit with LOTS of useless extra information flooding through your mind. A strong dose of LSD (250 micrograms or so) combined with a lot of sensory input would do the trick (although, if you've not used LSD before, I'd recommend first taking that dose WITHOUT strong sensory input, then doing it with the sensory input a few weeks later). Once you get your head straight from that experience, you should find yourself better able to concentrate on a topic without the other things distracting you as much, despite them still actually being there.

      Note: LSD is illegal pretty much everywhere, and this is only my own personal recommendation based on both personal experience and anecdotal evidence from associates. If you've got any problems with either the idea of taking a controlled substance, or the idea of self-medicating with a very potent psychedelic that (unfortunately) has not had the opportunity for much more than limited psychiatric testing, then this advise may not be suitable for you.
      (of course, with the name "Reality Master", I really do recommend it if you haven't tried it - you might then get to understand your chosen name on many new and unexpected levels)

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    6. Re:Noise by geekymachoman · · Score: 1

      There is. I searched for that too.

      Here's one informative site. However, be aware .. theres a whole lot of content on that subject, meditation, etc. Since I'm interested in that subject, it took me some time to read it and understand it all.

      Here's the site: http://swamij.com/

      Sorry for not giving you more specific link, but meditation requires some more indepth knowledge .. so you don't actually waste your time. A lot of people just waste their time, because they aren't doing it right, and then they quit.

    7. Re:Noise by Kittenman · · Score: 1
      Hey, I'm 49 in a month. I agree with the "brain noise" part but have noticed that a lot of that is actually relevant. Plus ca change, plus ca meme chose, etc. And some of it isn't. Maybe this will increase as we all age and start to babble...

      Now, get off my lawn.

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    8. Re:Noise by pennyloafer · · Score: 1

      Agreed to a point. When I am presented with an interesting project, I can wake up to where I get up early & like going to work. I like designing yet another 100ohm coplanar differential pair of traces with an off the shelf connector. (for real) There's a lot of give & take with work like this, but it pays very well (even for techs)

    9. Re:Noise by SuurMyy · · Score: 1

      Are you more busy than you were ? That sounds like too much input and too little time to settle down. When I'm stressed enough I have noticed that my memory starts failing, and I'm 34. And it's all about too much load. Remove some of the stress-factors, and I'm sure you can regain your clarity of thought.

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    10. Re:Noise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's better to not focus on any one experiment but to actually get a feel for it first.
      It's really a personal experience and that's why science has failed it because the one using it needs to freedom to do what they please without a third party trying to control the experience. Also it takes more than a couple of uses to get the feel for it.

    11. Re:Noise by YttriumOxide · · Score: 1

      It's better to not focus on any one experiment but to actually get a feel for it first.

      I don't disagree - hence my recommendation for taking it at least twice.

      It's really a personal experience and that's why science has failed it because the one using it needs to freedom to do what they please without a third party trying to control the experience.

      I agree with the premise that it's a personal experience, but not the remainder of this sentence. I don't think science has "failed it" at all - government got in the way of science, so the good work that was going towards getting an understanding of it was stopped far far too early. It's very complex on the human mind, and so there's a lot that would need to be understood. We were just taking baby steps towards the research at the time it got banned.

      Also, I really quite strongly disagree about not having a third party there. You NEED someone looking out for you until you are very experienced with it (and even then, it's nice to have someone around to bounce thoughts off, and if you can convince them beforehand to do so, take a log). Having someone "controlling" you would be bad, but that's not what science is about - it's about understanding things, not controlling them.

      Also it takes more than a couple of uses to get the feel for it.

      That depends on the person's mind. The guy I replied to said he was 44, and seems quite "worldly wise" and intelligent in general from looking at his posting history (although I strongly disagree with him on a number of things, he never trolls about it and always has interesting posts). I'd say he's more than mature enough to be able to get a good feel for it after his first trip (if the set and setting are right), so he'd be ready by his second to do some personal experimentation on thought process control. And, if he wasn't, then he could always just wait to the third, or fourth, or however many it takes should he so choose (of course, if the set and setting are wrong for his first trip, he may never want to try it again, which is always a shame)

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  50. At least we'll be able to look good while clicking by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

    I hear there's a great new clothing store for people our age. It's called Forever 41.

  51. Oh, great .... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

    Sure, not even 4 weeks after I turn 39 they come out with this.

    Now I have scientific proof that it's all down-hill from here. :-P

    Cheers

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  52. Re:Fastest != Best (wrong) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A younger person with faster thinking capabilities can realize that they are committing a fallacy or "jumping to conclusions" and correct the problem sooner.

    Your right in the speed of the brain does not determine the quality of thought. By that logic you can deduct that a person well exercised in critical thinking can get the solution to a problem no matter what the speed of there brain.

    So take two people with the similar analytical talent, the younger one will get the answer faster.

    It is my observation that older people who are smarter then young people where always smart. They did not suddenly get the ability to think, drive or solve problems better after the age of 41.

    Don't use it you loose it. So do as much as you can before you get old so you can keep it. Hopefully they find a way to delay this effect.

  53. Jack Benny knew this decades ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is why he always said he was 39.

  54. Re:Speed of life and life itself are different thi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    5 minutes late? I'm always at least 20 minutes late. I must be REALLY living my life.

  55. Jack Benny by Deadstick · · Score: 1
    ...must have gotten really smart.

    rj

  56. Brain story, heart graphic? by misaltas · · Score: 1

    The story is about the brain. So what's with the "heart" graphic?

  57. My first thought after reading the summary... by danomac · · Score: 1

    So does this mean calling someone a fathead is a compliment now?

  58. bad joke by escay · · Score: 1

    Bill Gates turned 40 in 1995. Guess what came out of Microsoft in '95.

  59. If true, how do you explain mathematicians? by haruchai · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Historically, their most significant work is done before age 30.

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    1. Re:If true, how do you explain mathematicians? by bonch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's probably true for most people. After 30, most folks have settled into raising a family, etc. and that takes time away from work.

    2. Re:If true, how do you explain mathematicians? by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      I don't see why it needs explaining at all -- doing your best work also has a lot to do with reaching a certain level of education at a period in your life and is affected by motivations etc. I don't see why someone could only do their best or most significant work when in their theoretically best neurological shape.

  60. Speed versus flexibility by AlpineR · · Score: 1

    I figure that the human brain is geared to lose flexibility over time but gain efficiency. In other words, the old man ain't fast but he's wise. Eighty years of playing chess has made him a powerful opponent -- whatever clever plays you tried he had seen before. But deal him a hand of bridge and if he's never played he'll have a harder time learning it than a twenty year old.

    What surprises me is that this article suggests that the peak of speed is 39, not something younger.

    1. Re:Speed versus flexibility by Knara · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The New Yorker had an interesting article a few weeks back about young vs old geniuses, that your post made me think of. Let me see if I can find it....

      Ah, here it is

      From reading various things, I've come to the conclusion that brains are hard to generalize. Even assuming one of the million things that can go wrong with them doesn't, in fact, happen, they still develop differently from individual to individual, and that what we presume to be the normal way that people's brains "age" isn't necessarily so.

  61. Oh Great! by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 1

    It looks like it's all down hill for now on....

    Good thing it doesn't take much intelligence to say "Get of my lawn!"

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  62. Response time does not mean everything... by sam0737 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It might be slower, but I hope the experiences accumulated through the last 39 years still payoff after that.

    It's like a higher latency link doesn't mean worse if bandwidth is high enough.

    Another analogy is that the CPU clock rate is not the answer of everything. The cache, architecture and everything also play a role.

    It's more like you should shift from NetBurst to something else at around 39.

  63. Re:With three weeks to go until my 39th birthday.. by Stachel · · Score: 1

    Rejoice!
    I, OTOH, have only four weeks to go to my 40th birthday...

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  64. Re: US election segue by Dystopian+Rebel · · Score: 1

    It certainly means that Palin has a better brain than McCain. Given how frightening a thought THAT is, Obama is the only choice.

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  65. In sports? Or in Life? by flynn23 · · Score: 1

    Tell this to Chris Chelios.

  66. Vioxx is just one example of widespread fraud. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    You said, "I'm sure the average research neurobiologist would be far more proficient at eliminating confounding factors, since it is a critical part of the job..."

    Actually, I haven't found that to be the case. Only a few of the people doing "science" actually have a careful scientific orientation.

    Vioxx is an example. Read Dangerous Deception - Hiding the Evidence of Adverse Drug Effects in the New England Journal of Medicine.

    It is my observation that fraud and incompetence is widespread in what is called "science".

    1. Re:Vioxx is just one example of widespread fraud. by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 1

      Read Dangerous Deception - Hiding the Evidence of Adverse Drug Effects in the New England Journal of Medicine.

      I'd suggest you re-read it: the scientists found a problem with Vioxx, but Merck's management suppressed the results. That isn't incompetence or fraud on the part of the researchers, but it is a strong argument against companies directly funding clinical trials (which any sane person would see as a conflict of interest).

      It is my observation that fraud and incompetence is widespread in what is called "science".

      Then you don't read the research, only the exposés of corporate fraud. "10 years on: drug works as intended with no unexpected effects" is not a headline you're ever going to read because it isn't sensational enough, but it's actually more common.

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  67. Correction: by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    "Only a few..." should have been "Only a small percentage..."

    I'm very busy today, and not spending enough time reading what I typed.

  68. brain speed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A younger person with faster thinking capabilities can realize that they are committing a fallacy or "jumping to conclusions" and correct the problem sooner.

    I agree that the speed of the brain does not determine the quality of thought. By that logic you can deduct that a person well exercised in critical thinking can get the solution to a problem no matter what the speed of there brain.

    So take two people with the similar analytical talent, the younger one will get the answer faster.

    It is my observation that older people who are smarter then young people where always smart. They did not suddenly get the ability to think, drive or solve problems better after the age of 41.

    I don't even think a scientific study is needed to observe the clear empirical evidence that older people think slower. Hopefully they find a way to delay this effect.

    They say if you don't use it you loose it. I wonder if any research has been done to determine if the decay effect sets in faster with less mental activity. Like loosing strength after not exercising.

  69. Racing against time by WDot · · Score: 1

    So what the article suggests is that up to age 39 our brain is racing like a hare, but after that it's turtles all the way down?

    Very clever, young man.

  70. Support vs. assumtion by DynaSoar · · Score: 1

    Nerve conduction can change in speed, or in voltage, or both. What it affects is a different matter.

    It's well known that aging causes perceptual slowing. Old people drive slow because things are coming at them faster than they did at the same speed when they were younger. However, cognitive skills such as problem solving do not change speed with aging.

    Pulling them apart is particularly difficult because people try to test things with reaction time equipment. What's perceptual, what's cognitive and what's motor speed?

    If you want to rip an enormous hole in the assumption TFA is based on, point at someone with very little myelination anywhere, like say, http://www.itbhu.org/chronicle/images/jun.07/stephenhawking.JPG
    Then get the aging people at UCLA to try to think faster than him.

    BTW, there are far more differences in amount of myelination between groups of people tested according to things like reaction to pain, hypnotizability, attentional abilities/deficits and such, than any differences that occur due to aging in any given normal brain (ie. not undergoing some clinically relevant change such as in the example above).

    If you started from a different set of assumptions, you'd conclude that as people get older, they become less conscious. After all, anesthesia produces changes in neurons by changing the reactivity of myelin, and nerve conduction slows with increased anesthesia.

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    1. Re:Support vs. assumtion by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      As a matter of fact, the article doesn't argue that demyelination is associated with reduction in thought speed but with motor speed. Hawking's condition is a rather good example of that. The summary here is really awful.

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  71. Re:Speed of life and life itself are different thi by Jay+L · · Score: 1

    Life begins when you can slow down, relax and think.

    Awesome. One down, two to go...

  72. middle management's wet dream by heroine · · Score: 1

    I finally have a reason to fire all my employees over 39 years old, ha, ha, ha!!

  73. Too Bad... by reallocate · · Score: 1

    ... that other interesting parts peak much earlier than 39.

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  74. An illustrative tale by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Life begins when you can slow down, relax and think.

    Old guys can still get in their licks. Literally.

    I'm an old fart. I was at a Renaissance Faire, getting a big kick out of watching 3 or 4 tough-acting, frat-boy types, half-drunk, trying to impress the little hotties in their posse. They were trying to ring the bell at that old carnival game where you hit a teeter-totter thing to launch a metal pellet upwards.

    I don't think any of them had ever done any physical labor. Swinging a sledge isn't all that hard if you just relax and use the momentum instead of trying to muscle it through. These guys wore themselves out and most didn't get halfway up the scale.

    I slid up to the lady selling the tickets, winked at her, and asked if she'd play along. She nodded yes, so I cut in line, grabbed a sledge, and, seemingly without much effort at all, took a nice slow swing completely through the target.

    The bell rang like, well, a bell.

    And then I heard, behind me, exactly what I knew I was going to hear. Some sweet-looking little college girl, drunk, blurts out "The old guy rang the bell!" I turned around and saw her with her mouth hanging open in amazement. Then I launched into a little blurb I do.

    "Young lady, feel free to play with all these lean little boys for as long as you want. But when you get bored with their huffing and puffing and getting nothing done, when you want a man who knows how to get the job done - then you look for an old man. Mark my words, little girl..." (by this time, I was playing large, to the whole assembled crowd) "...It's an old man you want - when you want a man who knows how to Ring Your Bell!"

    I swept the ticket girl off her feet and planted a big kiss on her, handed the sledge to the college girl (she dropped it), and walked away to the sound of all the old men in the area cheering. The ticket girl was laughing her ass off.

    And the college kids were just standing there with a "WTF?" look on their faces.

    Damn, that was fun. I had almost forgotten about that. Just goes to show you that, as you said, life is better when you slow down, relax, and think your way through it.

  75. I am intrigued by your ideas by Iamthecheese · · Score: 1

    and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

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  76. I wonder by GrimLordJesus · · Score: 0
    If combining the best age of the brain with the best time for creativity would produce a race of super human calculators?

    Anyone secret military base thought of that?

  77. Careful with the conclusions by sjames · · Score: 1

    "Best may not be the right word. "Fastest" might be better. While there are some skills that require a fast twitch, most of us are not in that situation. In some cases, one may achieve a better result with a slow but accurate response verses several fast twitches. It's just as likely (and equally unproven) that as the fast twitch strategy starts failing, it forces the development of a better slow but accurate strategy.

    Of course, if the myelenation curve is a symmetrical U, that would imply that the condition of myelin in the brain would slow a 20 something about as much as a 50 something. At 49, you should be no worse off than at 29.

  78. Important research by dogmatixpsych · · Score: 2, Informative

    If this research is replicated and is true this is actually a HUGE finding. Previous research showed that our brains started slowing down after age 25 or so. 39 is a big difference. They also said that myelination increases until age 39. That's the really important finding (before we said that we were done at age 25 at the latest). Trust me, this sort of research is very similar to what I do (white matter and brain volumetrics in aging populations). This, if true, is a very important finding.

  79. Peek != start of decay by dindi · · Score: 1

    Sorry, for me the article suggests,that degradation starts at AROUND that age. Let's suppose that you keep learning and learning (which I try to do and some here probably too), but most of the population has a steady succesful or sucky job at the age and is already degrading with alcohol or drugs.

    OK, I had a really bad day, and I am kinda grumpy, still however I read the article I just cannot feel that "peek is there, X more years and I am on the top" ....

    cheers ...

  80. the rest of the audience? by anilg · · Score: 2, Funny

    And for those that would not ask:

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  81. Truth by jawahar · · Score: 1

    Your Will and Wisdom is at peak at 39.

  82. More Logan's Run CRAP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pseudo Science "proofs" of what we already knew, old people suck. We need to lay those stupid old people off because they took those raises we gave them so they could buy a couple kids to make their lives miserable. Then we can hire 1.3 kids out of college and just have the old guy consult part time to train them up for a year while they smug behind his back.

    Hey, but I'm not bitter...

    Sincerely,

    Curmudgeony Grudgin, Old Guy Extraordinaire.

    P.S. you can have those ingrate kids of mine! You could even hire them for 2/3 the price of a smug college grad!

  83. Sadly... by Moraelin · · Score: 1

    But that might also be because by age 40 you'd probably have diverted into management if you were no good at coding.

    Sadly, I know at least two people who diverted into management, and two more who branched into being a lower paid admin, in spite of being damn good at coding. Just because they got convinced that if they don't give up coding before the 40's they're gonna become teh stupid. The rampant ageism is sad as it is, but seeing it cause self-destructive behaviour like that is just depressing.

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    1. Re:Sadly... by SuurMyy · · Score: 1

      We all need to make sure we can keep a job. It's as simple as that, for me. And it has nothing to do w/facts, it's about being marketable. It gets harder and harder to find jobs when you turn 40, if you're a software designer. For a manager 40 is nothing.

      And oh yes, it's bull$hit, but what can you do.

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  84. MOD PARENT INSIGHTFUL by srussia · · Score: 1

    Your nervous system NEEDS cholesterol.

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  85. Slow Brains by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have been a good athlete all my life, as well as an applied mathematician. I am "smarter" now then ever based on the sophistication of both mathematics I can understand and deploy. My reflexes are vastly better at age 55 than age 30. I am large 6'4" 250# and I attribute better reflexes to effective cross linking of neurons that occurs only at an advanced age. This allows effective paths to be more shorter than direct paths that would be the result of the "sheath" effect which I think is bullshit anyway.

    But, hey that's just me.

    "I'm keeping my mind limber on a steady diet of booze and drugs."
    ~Jeffrey "Big" Lebowski

  86. Yay! by veeoh · · Score: 1

    Two more years of being a dumb fucker.

  87. They knew; they are responsible also. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    "That isn't incompetence or fraud on the part of the researchers..."

    Are you saying that the researchers knowingly participated in management problems, but they should not be held responsible?

    1. Re:They knew; they are responsible also. by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 1

      Like most moral questions, attempting reduce it to simple black-and-white terms makes a nice angry argument, but doesn't go anywhere towards solving the problem because it ignores the nuances inherent in reality.

      Certainly, they could take the moral high ground and break whatever NDAs they've signed, but then even if they escape prosecution for that they'd still end up being black-balled by the industry. That way we end up with all the honest, competent scientists flipping burgers, leaving only the clowns and charlatans doing the research...does that sound like it would be better or worse than the current situation? I'll tell you: instead of these hidden reports that prove corporate liability, we'd have nothing but fraudulent* bits of paper saying everything's just fine.

      So no, I don't think researchers should be held responsible for decisions they can't control that they're effectively being blackmailed to hush-up (if they're doctoring the results, fair enough, nail 'em to the wall). What I do think is that the current system, where pharmaceutical companies can perform research and then suppress the results with no fear of independent review, is the problem, and until something is done about that it's going to be a continuation of this very old game of trying to prove who knew what when after the event (which has proven inadequate in bringing back the dead or preventing more deaths and injuries).

      *And it would take an independent repeat of the research to prove they are fraudulent, so don't expect speedy resolution that way.

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  88. Theories MUST accept recognized facts. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    "Obviously old people can learn things but in most instances their brains aren't as good just like the rest of their bodies."

    It isn't obvious, and it doesn't always happen. Some people's lives degrade far, far more than others. The theories MUST take the recognized facts into account.

    1. Re:Theories MUST accept recognized facts. by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      Of course but everyone including you and me will degrade as we age. Whether some starts ata higher level or degrades faster doesn't change that. Not degrading would mean immortality.

  89. So it's good to be a fat-head. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Middle management everywhere will be so relieved.

  90. 42 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    42 is the perfect age. Hold onto your towel tightly until then.

    1. Re:42 by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      That's part of the problem. I'm starting to have trouble remembering where my towel is these days. Frood, sooner or later you have to sass that you just aren't as hoopy as you used to be.

  91. Dammit, only five months left... by swordgeek · · Score: 1

    ...and I'm spending all of my brain power trying to keep up with my 11-month-old son, instead of saving the universe!

    Actually, maybe that's OK after all. Screw the universe. I'll hang out with the kid and find out all the places that Cheerios are supposed to go.

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  92. Conspiracy to defraud is acceptable? by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    You are just guessing, I think. You didn't read any of the scientific papers. It is far, far worse than you seem to think.

    You said, "I don't think researchers should be held responsible for decisions they can't control that they're effectively being blackmailed to hush-up..."

    If there is a conspiracy to defraud customers, that is understandable and acceptable for some of the conspirators?

    1. Re:Conspiracy to defraud is acceptable? by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 1

      You are just guessing, I think.

      I currently have, sitting on my desk, a stack of preliminary reports on various cancer-related research seeking approval for full scale studies; you see, it just so happens I'm the consumer advocate on a major cancer advisory committee (a role I sought out after my father had a severe adverse reaction to an experimental chemotherapy procedure). I talk to researchers, pharma reps and doctors, and when I have a query I refer it to a professor of oncology at a nearby public hospital. On the contrary, it is nowhere near as bad as you think: hundreds of drugs are approved every year and only a handful turn out to have unknown risks, and the number where findings of adverse effects were actively suppressed is even lower.

      And I can assure you, I'm not guessing about how things work. I know former researchers who have been locked out of their chosen field because they blew the whistle. Competent people with strong ethics, completely wasted, because certain idiots can't get down off their high horses long enough to realise that pissing on fires doesn't fix the systemic problems or protect those we do want in the field.

      If there is a conspiracy to defraud customers, that is understandable and acceptable for some of the conspirators?

      No, but blackmail is coercion, not conspiracy, so I'll rephrase your question to accurately reflect what I wrote, minus the spin:

      If there is a conspiracy to defraud customers, that is understandable and acceptable for those coerced into silence?

      And I believe I already answered that. Don't put words into my mouth and you won't have to ask the same thing over and over.

      Look, fact is I'm now convinced you're a drooling ideologue who can't accurately comprehend what's being said, so there's no point in persuing this conversation further.

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  93. Both before and after, I watched him play the game by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    You said, "... you have no way to verify that his claims are valid."

    Both before and after, I watched him play the game. I was staying at his house in Turin, Italy. I watched everything he did, and his score tripled in two weeks, after he hassled himself because I got a higher score than he did. He said he was old. I just had more practice. After two weeks, his score was higher than mine.

  94. You disagree with the NEJM, WSJ, and Nature. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    You said, "... you're a drooling ideologue..."

    Someone disagrees with you, and you engage in a personal attack? It's a fact, you are justifying a system in which a manufacturer can keep fraud secret.

    You said "... hundreds of drugs are approved every year and only a handful turn out to have unknown risks..." [my emphasis]

    The February 2008 article in the highly respected journal Nature, 2007 FDA drug approvals: a year of flux says, "The US FDA approved 17 new molecular entities (NMEs) and 2 biologic license applications (BLAs) in 2007, the lowest number recorded since 1983." That article includes a chart showing drug approvals for every year since 1996.

    An August 23, 2008 article in the Wall Street Journal, Sick Patients Need Cutting-Edge Drugs says "The FDA approved just 16 new drugs last year, and is on pace to approve only 18 this year. That's down from a high of 53 in 1996 and 39 in 1997." That article says more drugs should be approved. But that is the position of a very ignorant person, who doesn't understand the widespread sloppiness of drug development.

    Read the November 23, 2006 article in the New England Journal of Medicine, to which I linked above, Dangerous Deception - Hiding the Evidence of Adverse Drug Effects. That and many, many other articles show that drug fraud is common.

    The November 23, 2006 NEJM article, Observational Studies of Drug Safety - Aprotinin and the Absence of Transparency says, "The full safety profile of a new drug is rarely known at the time of approval by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Most drug-development programs designed for treatments of symptomatic indications are underpowered to detect any increased risk of rare drug reactions or change in background event rates attributable to the drug. Large, post-marketing, randomized, controlled trials provide robust data on drug safety but may be subject to multiple sources of bias."

    Again, "The full safety profile of a new drug is rarely known at the time of approval by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA)", and only 16 drugs were approved in 2007. [my emphasis]

    The evidence shows that the FDA is correct when it doesn't approve many drugs. The vast majority of clinical trials, experiments on people, show no benefit whatsoever. That's because new drugs are usually proposed based on wild guessing, not because of truly scientific investigation.

    A large percentage of people in the U.S. are drug enthusiasts. They shouldn't be. Drugs, even ones that are considered beneficial by everyone, usually have negative side-effects.

  95. Take is positively by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why it is exactly 39?!
    Why most (if not all) politicians are older than 39?
    I think this must be positive because you got the peak , reached your best and got the sufficient experience.
    Let tell you something about Islam's prophet Mohammed (pbuh) , he received the message from god for the first time when he was 40.
    Notice that for every 33 years there're 34 years in Hijri (Islamic) calendar : which means that he was at age of 39, the age of ultimate maturity.