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D.I.Y. Home Security

theodp writes "The NYTimes reports that pre-wired home security installations by alarm companies are on the way out. Thanks to wireless window and door sensors and motion detectors, installing and maintaining one's own security system is becoming a do-it-yourself project, with kits available from companies like InGrid and LaserShield. Time to start cranking out some new iPhone and Android apps, kids?"

377 comments

  1. Wireless = less secure by TheLink · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wireless = a burglar could disable them remotely?

    Either by jamming or by spoofing.

    Or trigger them often enough remotely so that they eventually get disabled ;).

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    1. Re:Wireless = less secure by SIR_Taco · · Score: 4, Informative

      Having used to work installing alarms systems, jamming wouldn't work. A lost communication with a device triggers a fault same as if you were to cut a wire. Spoofing also wouldn't work because if more than one identical ID/Serial#s also create a fault.
      But yes I suppose you could keep randomly jamming them and setting off alarms until they finally give up and disable it.

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    2. Re:Wireless = less secure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      99.9% of people that break into homes are stupid. .1% of them are smart enough to figure out commercial security systems. 0% will bother with a custom system.
      In this case, security through obscurity is real security.

    3. Re:Wireless = less secure by whoever57 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Having used to work installing alarms systems, jamming wouldn't work. A lost communication with a device triggers a fault same as if you were to cut a wire.

      1. Find a target house,
      2. Use jamming enough times that the owner turns off the alarm.
      3. Break in.
      4. ???
      5. Profit!

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    4. Re:Wireless = less secure by MrNaz · · Score: 1

      Unless of course, you have something in the house that actually is worth protecting.

      The calculus is:

      Potential Loot * Risk of capture > Cost of burglary

      So if the cost of breaking in (hiring the skill, buying tools etc) is greater than the risk adjusted potential gain, then they'll spend the time, money or effort needed to break in. So yea, security through obscurity works if you hide the fact that you have something valuable at home. If they do, however, find out, then you're pretty much screwed.

      This is the *reason* that if you have anything worth stealing, you should *assume* that somebody who is willing to steal it knows about it.

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    5. Re:Wireless = less secure by cgenman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Could you search for sources of wireless transmissions to find out which doors / windows are armed and which ones aren't?

    6. Re:Wireless = less secure by marcop · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There are antijamming measures in good wireless systems. Typically the negatives of a wireless system are cost and limited expandability. I got my system here:

      http://www.homesecuritystore.com/ezStore123/DTProductZoom.asp?productID=1164

      And don't have it hooked up to a monitoring service. Instead it calls up to 3 numbers to alert them of a problem. Overall it cost me about $500 for a medium sized home, but I don't have a monthly bill either. I like my setup a lot. However, some other random things to consider:
      - I found out that if you have more than 3 false alarms in a month then the police (NY) will charge you per incident afterward.
      - Without a monitoring service there is no insurance discount.
      - It's generally not the most foolproof.
      - The unit in the link can communicate with X10 devices so you can do some fancy stuff like flashing the house lights when the alarm goes off. I also have the X10 lights controlled to an inexpensive X10 mini-timer that turns the lights on and off during the day to simulate someone being home.
      - The unit above is a PITA to setup and can be a little quirky.

      I use the system for a couple reasons... at home it gives me a peace of mind that I didn't leave a door open accidentally (like the garage), and I will be alerted of an intruder. While traveling the system will alert me of a possible intruder. I then have a friend go to my house a little while later to re-secure the home. I don't want them confronting an intruder, simply re-locking the door or replacing a broken window. A friend once gave me some good advice...
      an intruder will get into your house if they really want to. Simply have your most important stuff with you or better secured (i.e., documents in a bank) and then get replacement cost insurance for the rest.

    7. Re:Wireless = less secure by GrahamCox · · Score: 5, Informative

      Wireless = a burglar could disable them remotely?
      Either by jamming or by spoofing.
      Or trigger them often enough remotely so that they eventually get disabled ;).
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      I used to design radio-based alarm systems in the 1980s. These were the first things we'd make sure couldn't easily happen. In those days we only had one narrow-band channel to work with (allowed by law) so anti-jamming was basically a case of a loss of signal from the sensors and/or a blocking signal present at the receiver would trigger an alarm, which meant that (3) was a definite possibility. The 'loss of signal' detection implies that the sensors transmit continuously - they don't, but they do send a brief 'check-in' at periodic intervals. The check-in period was a pseudo-random sequence to prevent different sensors checking-in on top of each other (since they couldn't 'listen out') and as a result the receiver could very quickly determine whether a sensor had missed its checkin. Later spread-spectrum techniques got around most kinds of dumb jamming attempts - it would still be possible to spoof the system in theory but only using relatively sophisticated bogus transmissions. And spoofing is reasonably easy to prevent in the decode software. I assume most modern systems today will use much better techniques than we had at our disposal twenty years ago.

      I'd say this though, as a former alarm engineer - if you really have something to protect, the best security is physical, not an alarm. If you can't secure your own building go to someone who can, e.g. safe deposit boxes. Alarms are pants, whether they use wireless or not.

    8. Re:Wireless = less secure by shird · · Score: 1

      > Spoofing also wouldn't work because if more than one identical ID/Serial#s also create a fault.

      So just don't use it at the same time, wtf? Why would you want to use an id while the house owner is there anyway? the whole point is to do a replay / spoof attack while the owner (and therefore serial# / id etc) *isn't* there. Lost a bit of credibility there.

      A more believable counter-measure is a challenge-response which can't be spoofed.

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    9. Re:Wireless = less secure by dragonturtle69 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Creating what seemed to be false alarms was once a common method for defeating car alarms. Eventually, the owner would think that the unit was too sensitive and disarm it.

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    10. Re:Wireless = less secure by theLOUDroom · · Score: 1

      A lost communication with a device triggers a fault same as if you were to cut a wire. Spoofing also wouldn't work because if more than one identical ID/Serial#s also create a fault.

      Then the solution appears simple:
      Jam and spoof
      Jam the sensor. Hit it with a hammer. Spoof the signal.
      Reliable, secure communication over an untrusted channel is rarely implemented properly and quite often it relies on synchronization between the two parties.

      The fundamental problem here is:
      Are you willing to face a fine becuase your neighbor's microwave/PC/whatever caused your alarm to trigger?
      What about dead batteries? Failed sensors?

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    11. Re:Wireless = less secure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      We did something similar as a prank in high school. A lab had an microphone sensor, so we hid a watch in the casing. The school turned on the alarm at night about 8:30. The watch beeped and the cops showed at 9:00... then 10:00 then 11:00 then did not bother at 12:00. That's when we popped the window open and entered to play our prank in the "high security" lab.

    12. Re:Wireless = less secure by plover · · Score: 3, Funny

      While he was at work, a neighbor's house was broken into this spring. The burglars entered through his attached garage, and used the victim's own power tools to then open his safe right in his bedroom.

      I'd say those burglars are keeping a lid on their costs.

      ( If they entered my house, with any luck they'd fix my circular saw for me before discovering I have no safe. )

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    13. Re:Wireless = less secure by karnal · · Score: 4, Funny

      OMG!!! *Rushes to patent office to patent Wireless Pants*

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    14. Re:Wireless = less secure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      See, anyone truly interested in security will have binoculars and a rifle as well. You get constant false positives, you look for the persistently present vehicle with an unknown person inside. You then politely dial the local police and report a stranger tampering with your security system.

      If that fails, you disable the security system after ensuring the rifle is prepped. Post signs saying 'trespassers will be shot'. Issue a single verbal warning. Do not shoot to wound. Wounded people sue. Dead people rot.

    15. Re:Wireless = less secure by DiegoBravo · · Score: 1

      Ok, maybe that is about geek alarms. But for most people, the best is play up to the burglar fears, for example put a BIG sticker that says:

      "BEWARE - DOBERMAN TRAINING OFFICE".

    16. Re:Wireless = less secure by Technician · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you really installed them, you would know for a fact to conserve battery life, they have a long check-in interval for monitored sensors. By the time I opened the door and brought in my tool caddy, etc, I would have had plenty of time to find valuables, disconnect the main box, and leave. Do your homework. A missed signal will take a while to become a trouble report. My alarm's wireless has long check-in's and 3 have to be missed to be a trouble report. For this reason the perimiter is WIRED, not wireless. The frequency of operation is well known by brand, so wireless portion is only used on interiour sensors such as the medicine cabinet (foster kids) and shop cabinets.

      The level of security varies by the installed system vunerabilities. Wireless is a weak spot that won't detect short term interferance as an attack. Primary entry points should be wired.

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    17. Re:Wireless = less secure by Technician · · Score: 4, Informative

      This would take forever. The devices to save battery life only transmit a short packet every half hour or so. It varies to prevent repeated collisions with other sensors. 1 missed packet isn't reported as a fault. A series (varies by brand but usualy 3) of missed reports becomes a fault. This fault generation can take hours, plenty of time to raid and be gone again. Use wired for the perimiter.

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    18. Re:Wireless = less secure by hansson · · Score: 0

      Jamming works for sure, and the RF protocols are not very sophisticated so a dedicated geek could surely have some fun decoding and synthesizing the signals and cause some serious confusion.

      In the "real world" though, no burglar goes through that effort. Smash the window, find the siren and kill it with a hammer in 15 seconds and get what you want before the alarm company has their truck sent out 20 minutes later.
      You don't need a degree to figure that out.

      So the only actual downside with a wireless system is the hassle of changing batteries in the sensors every couple of years. Other than that they are really no less secure than a wired system. (We're talking residential here - a jeweler store attracts a different clientele)

      But here's the insider secret that the alarm industry don't want you to know:
      Alarm systems do not "protect" anything. They give the owner artificial peace of mind. The biggest value of buying a system is the deterring effect of the sign in the front yard.

    19. Re:Wireless = less secure by Technician · · Score: 1

      A challenge response requires the remote sensor to have an active receiver.. not pratical on a coin battery.

      The spoofing is taken care of just fine in most alarms. The reports are scheduled and arrive like clockwork. A few way off time reports is a problem even if the code is a recognized one. That is all that is required. Only the right report at the expected time is valid. The report times on most alarms is varied so clocks near the same report times don't overlap multiple times, so one missed report from self jamming by other sensors nearby is not a fault. Repeated missed reports is a trouble code.

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    20. Re:Wireless = less secure by Eivind · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not easily. But anyway, you're missing the most obvious thing.

      Most burglars are, infact, STUPID.

      You don't need to be secure as in perfectly protected, you just need to be secure as in "more trouble than it's worth", or "more trouble than the house next door".

      If you've got the kind of stuff that would attract the non-stupid burglars, then this changes somewhat. If that's you, you can afford a professional alarm easily enough, though.

    21. Re:Wireless = less secure by zmollusc · · Score: 2, Informative

      While he was at work, a neighbor's house was broken into this spring. The burglars entered through his attached garage, and used the victim's own power tools to then open his safe right in his bedroom.

      It must have been a crappy safe. Or patient burglars. A decent safe will take several hours to open using the right tools against the weakest point.

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    22. Re:Wireless = less secure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Notice the effective use of the "post anonymously" check box!

    23. Re:Wireless = less secure by binaryseraph · · Score: 1

      That and most door/window triggers are based using magnets (assuming its a wireless system and you dont have a sheetrock knife to just get to the wires and short them) there is always the old nasa magnet trick. Wireless motion detectors are somewhat half assed too, sadly. Its too bad wired systems would be on the way out, they really can be made out as most relaiable...

    24. Re:Wireless = less secure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They'd fail miserably if they tried that at a friend's place. He has cameras with a motion detector set to take a log of people outside the house in case they're casing it. Then he has a high res camera for the backdoor where they will more than likely enter since it's easy to get into. When it then detects motion at the wrong time of day, etc. it sends the images to his phone and he watches the daily log for suspicious behavior.

    25. Re:Wireless = less secure by mweather · · Score: 3, Funny

      And he'll still get robbed blind in 90 seconds with nothing to show for it but a nameless face.

    26. Re:Wireless = less secure by dontmakemethink · · Score: 1

      I'd say this though, as a former alarm engineer - if you really have something to protect, the best security is physical, not an alarm.

      Another occasion to bring up lock bumping .

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    27. Re:Wireless = less secure by the_womble · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I know a diamond dealer whose safe was just taken away whole to be broken into at leisure. She got a larger and more securely fitted one next time.

    28. Re:Wireless = less secure by LoRdTAW · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Honestly most break ins are by desperate thieves who more than likely have zero technical know-how. My house was broken some years ago and my neighbor saw the guy run away, a skinny looking junkie. Same thing last month when some guy made a laughable attempt to break into my grandmothers house. He was so messed up he couldn't even aim rocks at a window 10 feet away. He also cut five screens and ripped two out but never broke a single window. He was that disoriented. A neighbor chased him away before he could do anymore damage. My aunts house was robbed as well, her cordless phone and jewelery were taken. Simple and fast grabs.

      These people don't give a shit about fancy alarm systems. They will keep trying to break into one home after another until they find one that is empty and unprotected. This isn't Hollywood, there isn't a James Bond trying to steal secrets off your computer. Just junkies and desperate people trying to snatch as many small and expensive items they can find. They then turn them in for quick cash and get high. Sure there are more elaborate schemes but they are far and few between (any examples?). Those stupid shows on cable showing "professional" thieves stealing fucking chandeliers and furniture are over exaggerated nonsense.

      Want to know what I lost when I was robbed? Three SLR cameras, a Playstation and two cable boxes. They are small, easy to carry and will get them enough money to feed their habit. How did the thief get in? He smashed a window and crawled in while we were school and work. Would an alarm have foiled him? Maybe but the cost of the items lost was far less then an alarm system. The less cover a thief has the less likely he is to target your house. Lights that keep vulnerable areas lit at night help allot, so do motion lights. Also keep shrubs trimmed down, don't give them cover. My home is now pretty sucky to break into by taking a few simple steps to keep it less enticing. Also don't leave objects around that act as a ladder allowing them to reach windows. I know this isn't always practical but it can help.

    29. Re:Wireless = less secure by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Aren't safes normally fastened to the floor? Or even embedded in the floor.

      How'd they take it away?

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    30. Re:Wireless = less secure by TheLink · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "If that's you, you can afford a professional alarm easily enough, though."

      Maybe a bunch of smoke/fog machines might help too.

      If soon after the alarms go off you fill the entire house with dense smoke, they might not be able to see well enough to make it out with your stuff...

      Of course they might try to steal the smoke machines - they're cool after all :).

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    31. Re:Wireless = less secure by Smauler · · Score: 2, Funny

      Get a first time headshot!
      Mentally say "Headshot" as if it were counterstrike
      Realise you've shot your 85 year old deaf granny bringing you round some cookies.
      ???
      Profit?

    32. Re:Wireless = less secure by Dan541 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      People install surveillance cameras because they work, not because they expect to be robbed by someone they know.

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    33. Re:Wireless = less secure by caluml · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Aren't safes normally fastened to the floor? Or even embedded in the floor.

      How'd they take it away?

      It was a mobile home?

    34. Re:Wireless = less secure by bickerdyke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Then he has a high res camera for the backdoor where they will more than likely enter since it's easy to get into.

      Instead a HiRes-Cam.. wouldnt he better invet that money into a stronger backdoor? you know.. like.. with a lock?

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    35. Re:Wireless = less secure by N+Monkey · · Score: 1

      I found the biggest problem with the wireless system in a place I was in was that the batteries would go flat so quickly that you'd just get fed up replacing them!

    36. Re:Wireless = less secure by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      Lights that keep vulnerable areas lit at night help allot, so do motion lights.

      Be carefull with that. It may backfire into actually helping them to break in. Good lighting, no suspiscious flashlights neccessary... IIRC ther was an article a few months back with schools reducing vandalism by removing lighting. Those punks dont want to hang out where its too dark.

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    37. Re:Wireless = less secure by SmilingSalmon · · Score: 1

      Those stupid shows on cable showing "professional" thieves stealing fucking chandeliers and furniture are over exaggerated nonsense.

      Over exaggerated? So, what's the right amount of exaggeration?

    38. Re:Wireless = less secure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are conflating too many issues to make sense.

      Vandalism is a result of boredom by people loitering in places they can have fun without being disturbed. Turning off the lights makes sense for schools, since the vandals will find somewhere else to hang out and cause mischief.

      Thieves are going to places where there may or may not be people for the purpose of taking things and not getting caught. They do not want to be seen. They may use a flashlight inside. They might use one outside if its in a secluded area. But they generally are going to avoid lights. Forgetting all else, just think of the psychology of someone sneaking around and suddenly having a spotlight thrust upon them.

      But let's say motion lights are a problem. The solution is simple: Detect the motion outside, turn on the lights inside. That's not enough light to "help" them and it gives the impression that they've been discovered or at least that someone is home.

    39. Re:Wireless = less secure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have no idea what you're talking about, because I have wireless perimeter security system and it triggers alarm as soon as the door or window is opened at any time.

    40. Re:Wireless = less secure by GrahamCox · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you really installed them, you would know for a fact to conserve battery life, they have a long check-in interval for monitored sensors. By the time I opened the door and brought in my tool caddy, etc, I would have had plenty of time to find valuables, disconnect the main box, and leave.

      I'm not sure what the state of the art is now, and I suspect that a low-cost system would be pretty poor and you'd be right about the above. However, it need not be the case. In 1987/88 I worked on designing a system that used periodic check-in (or supervisory, which was the term we used) as they all did, but a complete transmission took 110mS including all the preamble and error correction coding in the bitstream. We used 1800 baud MPSK which was considered fast for its time and the bandwidth available to us. The supervisory signal was transmitted every 28 seconds, so duty cycle was 1/256. The quiescent draw of the sensor chip was under 10uA (a very hard figure to achieve, just possible with custom silicon at that time) and I think the transmitter draw was about 40mA when keyed. So the overall current draw was getting on for ~30uA on average. Using a certain 3v lithium cell our battery life was predicted at almost 7 years, though since the project ultimately never saw the light of day, this was never tested in the field. Even requiring several missed supervisories to trigger the alarm (which we did) would mean you still would only have a minute and a half to carry out the burglary - though we used other means to detect deliberate jamming as well which would kick in sooner. It's quite easy to discriminate between a deliberate blocking signal and random short-term interference. Spoofing was also really hard to do because you not only had to spoof a sensor known to the system, but do so with precise timing and correct data format, etc while knocking out the real sensor. Really the purpose of supervisory messages was to detect a sensor going offline for some reason (such as a dead battery, though it would have sent low battery reports for months in advance of that event) rather than detecting jamming. I forget all the details but you could program the response to a missing supervisory anyway - perimeter sensors would trigger an alarm but internal ones typically wouldn't.

      While that particular system didn't make it into production, I know that similar ones did, but since my career went in another direction not long after that, I didn't keep up with the industry. I don't know what is common today. I'll say this though, one reason we developed the system was because of the shockingly poor quality of existing radio technology that we'd initially bought in from the US (we were a British company). These systems used an 11 baud (!) data rate in a transmission taking well over a second, with several repeats "just to make sure" (i.e. the redundancy in the bits sent was accomplished by simply sending the message several times rather than using any form of error correction). The modulation was on-off keying so the transmitters had to have incredibly low power to pass any sort of type approval, at least in the UK. The receiver was also a joke - a bandwidth as wide as a barn door, using a super-regenerative design for low cost. Deaf as a post and jammable with the crudest of techniques. If low cost systems today still use anything like this system, I'd say that any security they provide is purely imaginary. Our receiver was deliberately and carefully designed to be very selective, so any jamming signal had to be dead-on frequency or else very, very powerful to overwhelm the front-end. It was also very sensitive so the low power of the sensors was less of a handicap (we were limited to maximum 10mW ERP by law). There again, careful design of the transmitters for low spurious emissions and an efficient modulation scheme and a proper antenna design meant that we could actually put out close to that power and still not cause interference problems ourselves.

      No doubt ours was a relatively expensive design but on

    41. Re:Wireless = less secure by Technician · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sorry. I'll try to be more clear. If I take a wireless sensor for your alarm and remove the logic but keep the transmitter and transmit garbage, I can mask the real sensor signal while I walk into your house without the alarm box noticing. When your real sensor was supposed to call home to say I'm OK, one or 2 missed reports doesn't cause an alarm. By the time the noise causes enough lost reports, I'll be long gone as the reports not caused by door opening are only a few a day. All that is needed is for preventing the main panel from hearing the door sensor when I open the door. The missing report won't be noticed for up to over an hour.

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    42. Re:Wireless = less secure by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think junkie crime would be kept down if people were allowed to beat the shit out of the junkies they caught.

      Right now that's a very bad idea legally. Hell I'd go for a Texas style law where people lose all or most rights when they break into someone else's house. Then you could whack them with a baseball bat or something and hopefully kill them. I think the government should fund a Sudden Justice program on the BBC where homeowners in bad areas for burglaries catch burglars in beartraps, rig devices to tip boiling water over them or build shotgun shell boobytraps at groin level.

      Why dick around? Burglary happens because burglars feel safe. Make them feel less safe and they'll do something else.

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    43. Re:Wireless = less secure by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And it's easy to case the joint as the Gas meter reading guy. wear overalls and a hat and you'll never get a good face shot.

      Case the place, come back with a ski maks and a spray can of black paint and your buddies cameras are all toast.

      Oh he has some mounted high? An extenda pole to spray wasp nests fixes that. I always giggle hard when I see "vandal proof" cameras... yeah right, they cant stop spraypaint.

      So simply show up during the day when service people would be around and he's hosed. Very easy to get around. Or better yet, wait to watch him leave and attack at that time.

      Hell most homes are broken into in broad daylight.

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    44. Re:Wireless = less secure by electrictroy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >>>Unless of course, you have something in the house that actually is worth protecting.

      Sell it on Ebay, put the cash in a bank where it's safe (or at least insured). That's what I've done with most of my wealth. I saw no reason to hang-onto a bunch of old DVD movies or PS1/2 videogames that are just collecting dust from lack-of-use. So I sold them for cash, and put the cash in the bank. It's a lot safer there (and a lot cheaper solution) than leaving valuables inside my vulnerable house.

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    45. Re:Wireless = less secure by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Exactly.

      The best security system you can buy are surplus ADT signs and stickers off of ebay. install them during the day (take a day off) or if you live in a bad neighborhood, have a buddy come over with a white van and blue coveralls and install them after he comes in to drink beer for 2 hours. Make sure your scumbag neighbors see the service van and some guy installing the signs and stickers.

      Now when casing the joint, they see the sticker and go away.

      Now the drug induced teenager that was mauled pretty bad by my dog in my living room... the signs did not stop him. A German Shepard excited by the sound of a wailing siren did.

      Funny that... if you do a B&E and get mauled by the dog inside, you cant sue and you cant be charged with any crime... but the kids parents did have to pay for all damages including new carpet to get rid of their scumbag kids blood stains.

      You want real security? get a BIG german shepard.

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    46. Re:Wireless = less secure by Kijori · · Score: 1

      This setup varies from alarm to alarm. Check in time can be long, and on a cheap system you'll often find a long check in interval with no other protection. However, other systems have much shorter intervals - I've seen as short as 30 seconds. If a packet is missed it is also common to require a resend (possibly on a different frequency) in a rather shorter time frame. Of course on something you buy from a chain store for $20 the sensors will likely be trivial to disable - but then these tend to be susceptible to rather less sophisticated attacks.

      The most inventive system I've seen polled the wireless sensors once every 5 minutes and generated a fault after 2 misses. However, this was combined with several radio detectors that were wired in to the base station. If these detected radio noise on the frequencies used they would require the sensors to reply immediately or trigger a fault. Quite why the original engineer didn't just wire the other sensors in too I don't know, but it was a pretty clever setup.

    47. Re:Wireless = less secure by PhilJC · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "You want real security? get a BIG german shepard."

      Couldn't agree more. I grew up with two german shepherds as my dad was a police dog handler and one night we found a particularly stupid burglar huddled in our basement with the two dogs padding around the door. He'd obviously managed to get himself in, saw the dogs and ran for the nearest door (our windowless cellar). Given that they weren't small dogs and it was an old house the creak of the floor boards above the guy as they walked around upstairs simply drove the guy crazy and it took about half hour just to coax the guy out so my dad could arrest him.

      Oh and the reason I say he was a stupid burglar? My dad's police dog van was parked on the drive the whole night.

    48. Re:Wireless = less secure by howardd21 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That was pretty slick, but of course it required you to have access to the housing *before* you broke in.

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    49. Re:Wireless = less secure by Victor_0x53h · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You make a very valid point, but, beyond casing the house as the gas meter guy, what you described sounds like too much of a hassle. I'll rob the house next door with no cameras to contend with, thank you.

    50. Re:Wireless = less secure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... Never mind that since there have been so many false alarms that if you look embarrassed while popping open the hood of the car and disconnecting the battery (disabling the alarm), no one even bats an eye.

      True story, my dad and I had to do this to his Jeep after we replaced the door (and the keyhole) with a new one. Since he always used the wireless unlock, it took a a few incidents like this to realize why the key didn't work any more.

    51. Re:Wireless = less secure by FictionPimp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not sure I put my money on a system that can be beaten with a simple ski mask.

      They work in business because the crook doesn't know if the camera is being monitored. The chances of 24 hour monitoring at a house is next to none.

    52. Re:Wireless = less secure by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      nope. cus he's got cameras and that means stuff inside that is valuable.

      The amount of security you have also indicates the amount of stuff you have.

      I have cameras, but all hidden and very hard to see if you do not know where to look. I use them as evidence and not a deterrent. and it works. I get my deductible removed from any theft when I gather evidence of the break in.

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    53. Re:Wireless = less secure by houghi · · Score: 1

      Either that or they just wait till you are home and hold a gun to your head.

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    54. Re:Wireless = less secure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could break a window with a thrown rock, wait to see if the cops turn up, then waltz on in.

      This would also be backwards-compatible with wired alarm systems.

    55. Re:Wireless = less secure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my state (Kentucky), it is legal to kill someone who breaks into your house. I keep a 12 gauge by my bed, and NRA stickers on the windows.

      I've only heard of one break-in in my neighborhood, and that was some idiot who left their sliding glass door OPEN overnight "to get some air".

    56. Re:Wireless = less secure by plover · · Score: 1

      Oh, yeah, it was indeed a crappy safe. I think he said it was a Home Depot fire safe. They are designed only for fire protection, and not real anti-burglar security. But Joe Homeowner has a hard time telling the difference when everything is named "safe".

      Consumer grade fire safes are really just sheet steel covering a concrete or plaster thermal insulation layer. Peel back the skin with a cold chisel or saw, break up the aggregate beneath with a hammer, then pierce the inner layer and you're inside. I assume it takes at least a few minutes, but these guys had all day while the neighbor was at work. And they obviously didn't care how many tools they wrecked in the process.

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    57. Re:Wireless = less secure by Igarden2 · · Score: 1

      He might not know the thief, but the police sure might.

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    58. Re:Wireless = less secure by mortonda · · Score: 1

      How many breaks have you had???

    59. Re:Wireless = less secure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Its kinda scary for stuff like this. Pranks back in the early 90s and before were just that, pranks, the kids probably got called to the police station, parents picked em up, that was about it. Most of the pranks we pulled if we did it this day, we would be arrested/fined/jail time nowadays. Also, there are no accidents anymore. Somebody else has to be at fault and pay me $$$$ for it. Kinda depressing getting old.

    60. Re:Wireless = less secure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the best security is physical

      But physical security can be overcome. Back in Europe, I lived in a new apartment that was so solid it would astound every American. The walls were cement, the door was heavy wood with a metal shield, the key had about fifty little holes of various sizes on all four sides, and when you turned that key, three deadbolts locked the door on top, middle, and bottom.

      Guess what, it was broken twice. Once, the police suggested, they must have used a humongous crowbar to dislocate the deadbolts in their cemented sockets. And once, they they welded a lever onto the lock and turned it in its solid metal housing. Each time it took them only seconds.

      They did the same thing to the neighbor. An alarm system would have helped here, I'm sure.

    61. Re:Wireless = less secure by MikeBabcock · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Cameras don't work and never have. Study after study shows cameras in London don't prevent theft.

      People I know in my town with nearly one hundred monitoring cameras LIVE in their music store still get robbed regularly. Sometimes they manage to catch the person.

      Cameras are NOT a deterant to most people. The people who think cameras work are the same people who wouldn't rob you anyway.

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    62. Re:Wireless = less secure by MikeBabcock · · Score: 2, Funny

      Let me guess (as per a pervious post of mine); you're not a thief, are you?

      Not that you'd admit it on Slashdot.

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    63. Re:Wireless = less secure by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      I know I wouldn't have got out of grade school if current rules were in place then.

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    64. Re:Wireless = less secure by kwerle · · Score: 1

      Cameras don't work and never have... The people who think cameras work are the same people who wouldn't rob you anyway.

      So. Should we just take that as an admission of guilt? :-)

    65. Re:Wireless = less secure by swb · · Score: 1

      In my state, MN, you can use deadly force to stop the commission of a felony in your home. Since burglary is a felony, this works. I think deadly force is a better option -- I'd rather be the only one telling a story via my attorney to the cops and let the crooks rap sheet speak for him.

      I agree that if burglary was met with more physical force it might deter it, and I'd be totally in favor of making deadly force a more generous option for homeowners (ie, immunity from civil suits, mandatory restitution for damage to property, significant civil penalties for prosecutors who bring criminal prosecutions when reasonable proof of defense of dwelling exists, the right to use deadly force on your *property* not just in your dwelling, and the right to use deadly force to protect your property [shooting a car thief stealing your car from the driveway], and the OK to shoot a fleeing burglar).

      I don't know what kind of a deterrent it would be though, considering how stupid many burglars are, and it may make some of the "career" ones more violent or more prepared to BE violent (again, though, this implies that there's thinking & future planning involved by crooks, as well as the idea that they aren't already prepared to BE violent).

    66. Re:Wireless = less secure by smellsofbikes · · Score: 4, Interesting

      >And it's easy to case the joint as the Gas meter reading guy.

      I have a story about that. My grandmother was very old, living alone, and didn't believe in banks. When she started to go blind, we started cleaning her house out, throwing away all the junk she'd accumulated, so she didn't break her neck tripping over some horrible thing she'd found in an alley 20 years earlier and saved because she thought she could fix it up. Anyway, one thing we cleaned out was her bedroom, and when we told her, she said we should clean under the bed because she'd stuck some money under there and she wanted to make sure we didn't throw it away. So we removed it and counted it, and I'm just going to say it was, by an order of magnitude, more cash than I've ever seen in my life.
      Two weeks later, a guy came to the front door, saying he was from the city water department, and asked her if she could tell him where the water line was, beneath her garden, so she walked out, largely by memory, and pointed out where the water meter pit was, and went back to her house... and found a bunch of things moved. She called the water dept and they said they hadn't sent anyone over.
      Having someone lure you away from the house while someone else goes in quickly and burglarizes it is a pretty effective scam. Apparently they hit a bunch of houses in the area doing that.

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    67. Re:Wireless = less secure by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1

      A lot of jewelers use small safes because their valuables take up so little space. A one-cubic-foot safe could hold five years' worth of diamonds for a reasonably active custom jeweler.

      I'm not saying it's *smart*, just that it's what I've seen jewelers I've worked with do.

      People who have gun safes tend to be more likely to rigidly attach them to the premises, with concrete and steel.

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    68. Re:Wireless = less secure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      an intruder will get into your house if they really want to. Simply have your most important stuff with you or better secured (i.e., documents in a bank) and then get replacement cost insurance for the rest.

      Libtard.

      Shoot the thief and keep all of your stuff.

    69. Re:Wireless = less secure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a fine solution if your valuables are old DVD movies and PS1/2 videogames.

    70. Re:Wireless = less secure by eggnoglatte · · Score: 1

      Sure, but what is your point? Motion detectors and heat sensors can be fooled as well. Motion sensors by moving very slowly and deliberately. Heat sensors by wearing well insulated clothing. And that is just the simple stuff you do before you hit the high-tech workarounds that you see in any heist movie. That doesn't mean the simple home security stuff is worthless - it can help protect you against a junkie trying to score money for the next fix and other crimes of opportunity. Sure, if you have enough valuables to worry about professional criminals, you need more professional security. Most people's homes don't look like the Louvre, though.

      People need to understand that security isn't a binary state, it is a continuous scale. Security professionals will never claim that anything is completely safe, they always quantify safety by the time (and other resources) it takes to circumnavigate the security system. This ought to be true for computers as well, BTW.

    71. Re:Wireless = less secure by LoRdTAW · · Score: 1

      I can agree with you a bit there but light is an excellent deterrent. Go to high crime areas here in New york city and they are lit up like Times Square. Light gives them no cover to loiter and cause problems as they can easily be seen. I remember driving through Jamaica Queens one night and some of the stores on Jamaica Ave east of Archer Ave have multiple or massive HID lights illuminating small store fronts.

      In front of our building we installed two flood lights and it has made a noticeable impact on deterring graffiti vandals. Light helps when you keep the publicly viewable portions of your property illuminated. My home has three lights around it. They are "60 watt" CF bulbs, not too much light but enough to keep the yard, porch and alleyway lit. Anyone lurking around will easily be spotted.

    72. Re:Wireless = less secure by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      Light helps when you keep the publicly viewable portions of your property illuminated. My home has three lights around it.

      Exactly. It's not about light, but visibility.

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    73. Re:Wireless = less secure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A decent wired system should be able to tell the difference between a connected sensor, unconnected wires or a short circuit.

    74. Re:Wireless = less secure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh, all you conservative "choose life" types are pretty liberal when it comes to shooting people.

    75. Re:Wireless = less secure by MrNaz · · Score: 1

      You think cash is safe? In a bank? Have you been under a rock for the last year?

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    76. Re:Wireless = less secure by electrictroy · · Score: 1

      >>>That's a fine solution if your valuables are old DVD movies and PS1/2 videogames.

      Even if your valuables are not those things, you can still sell your goods for cash, and then move that cash to a bank for security. It's safer in an FDIC-insured bank, than sitting in your bedroom waiting for a thief to come grab it.

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    77. Re:Wireless = less secure by Chyeld · · Score: 1

      And then the first time there is a fire in the neighborhood, you suddenly become a cop/fireman killer....

    78. Re:Wireless = less secure by chihowa · · Score: 1

      So... Don't leave us hanging! Did they find her cache of cash??

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    79. Re:Wireless = less secure by mweather · · Score: 1

      I'm sure they'll put a team of detectives on it looking through everyone with robbery convictions. You stolen TV is a top priority!

    80. Re:Wireless = less secure by smellsofbikes · · Score: 2, Informative

      They found what she'd put in there in the last two weeks, yeah. The rest of the loot we'd put in a shopping bag and taken to a local bank (without her knowledge) and invested. It paid for three years of her nursing home care.

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    81. Re:Wireless = less secure by Dexx · · Score: 1

      ... and how much is the hi res camera worth?

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    82. Re:Wireless = less secure by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      breaks today? 4 but the boss only knows about 2 of them...

      oh wait Break in's? 3 I live in a nice neighborhood on the border of the rich people and the ghetto. twice has been some piece of crap punk friend of my daughters and 1 was a random idiot. in all three the camera footage identified the culprit and had him arrested in 24 hours. once they wanted to see the video because the cops though it was funny that my dog was mauling the bastard.

      Now I work in the high end home automation and theater field. so I get nice hidden cameras and DVR's for almost nothing.

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    83. Re:Wireless = less secure by avronius · · Score: 1

      Dogs for the win!

      I have two hunting dogs (a Viszla and a Weimaraner) and a Great Dane. The 'Dane is quite intimidating (just over a year old, and close to 150 lbs), quite loud, and very protective of her home. The hunting dogs are fast, muscular, and chock-full-o' sharp pointy teeth!

      They make great pets, with the added "home security system" feature built right in!

      Having said that, I do still have a security system in place. Can't be too careful.

    84. Re:Wireless = less secure by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Most of what we sell are insane priced. but you should NOT pay more than $50.00- $100.00 each for cameras.

      Get a DVR off of ebay. a 4 channel 160gig should cost $250.00 and they work well. we sell the same DVR but rebranded for $1000.00

      Super circuits for cameras. get Black and white. it's stupid to use color for security. you want low light capable and high resolution. Black and white is where it is at.

      finally you need to figure out what lense you need for what locations. 2mm = wide as hell angle 12mm = telephoto. zoom lenses give you the ability ot change it but they are expensive.

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    85. Re:Wireless = less secure by ross.w · · Score: 1

      Plus they'll steal his camera

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    86. Re:Wireless = less secure by SST-206 · · Score: 1

      I grew up with two german shepherds as my dad

      That must have been a puzzling childhood. One would be bad enough, but having two must have been confusing figuring out who to call "Father".

      And if you don't mind me asking, are you really the offspring of canines, or sheep farmers from The Black Forest? I tried looking at your homepage, but it's broken.

      one night we found a particularly stupid burglar huddled in our basement with the two dogs

      I'm not even going to say anything.

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    87. Re:Wireless = less secure by krakelohm · · Score: 1

      What is your friend a drug dealer?

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    88. Re:Wireless = less secure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think cash is safe? In a bank? Have you been under a rock for the last year?

      Name one bank where insured depositors lost money.

    89. Re:Wireless = less secure by supernova_hq · · Score: 1

      Well, I guess you could count the round of cookies as profit...

    90. Re:Wireless = less secure by Architect_sasyr · · Score: 1

      Even a computer-based-system of facial recognition that gets a 50% match is viable for this situation though - just get someone to eyeball the lists of suspects once a day or so - you don't need a perfect match, let the human fix that. Sure that stolen TV might not be a top priority, but a lot of career criminals seem to "fuck up" the small stuff and rob a house without the ski-mask or whatever, so this might help in the long run.

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    91. Re:Wireless = less secure by verbalcontract · · Score: 1

      This reminds me of an interview I read about a supposed former burglar. Most thieves, beyond wanting to steal your stuff, want to get out as soon as they can. So one of the best strategies to retain your important stuff is to leave honeypots in your home -- things you can part with, like cash -- and make your real valuables much harder to find. It's much easier to part with $100 than your Action Comics #1.

      Of course, I'm sure good locks help too.

    92. Re:Wireless = less secure by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "I live in a nice neighborhood on the border of the rich people and the ghetto."

      That sounds like just about anywhere in New Orleans....?

      :)

      One street...multi-million dollar mansions, next block over...crack city.

      Strange city here...city is basically surrounded by the projects. Fortunately, we're finally starting to tear those blighted homes of crime down, and redoing the areas with good, modern mixed housing. This seems to be starting to work actually. Crime is dropping in the areas that did it so far...and home values are starting to increase.

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    93. Re:Wireless = less secure by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "People who have gun safes tend to be more likely to rigidly attach them to the premises, with concrete and steel."

      You know...I've never really seen the use for a gun safe. I suppose if you had some antique, really valuable guns, sure it would be a good place to store them.

      But I get the feeling that most people use them to store their normal guns, which seems insane to me...if you need one quick with someone breaking in, is the criminal supposed to wait while you run to where the safe is...fumble with the lock to get your gun out?

      Not me, I like my guns throughout the house, all loaded and ready to fire. No matter where I am in my house...I'm close to a loaded weapon.

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    94. Re:Wireless = less secure by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "I think junkie crime would be kept down if people were allowed to beat the shit out of the junkies they caught."

      YOu can in New Orleans. This was before Katrina, but, a friend of mine was just moving into a new rental place, had stuff piled in the floor still mostly in boxes.

      He came in at night, and discovered a burglar...he jumped on the guy and they were fighting all over the place...the fight spilled out onto the front lawn.

      The cops had been called by neighbors hearing the frackus...and they came to find my friend sitting on top of the burglar beating the living shit out of him.

      The pulled them apart...and sorted out who was who.

      After then did, the cop smiled at my friend and asked him if he'd like "five more minutes" with the guy....my friend laughed and said normally yes, but, not tonight, he was tired. The cop laughed and hauled the criminal away.

      I've often heard of anecdotal evidence of people telling how in situations, if the person in the home had shot a criminal, and the criminal somehow made it out the door before dying, they would actually help drag the body back in the house for photographs...so the home owner/renter would have an easier time of it in court.

      Ah...interesting city here...for sure. Sure helps when everyone knows a 'cousin Boudreaux' on the police force.

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    95. Re:Wireless = less secure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You want real security? get a BIG german shepard.

      Or something in the .40+ range.

    96. Re:Wireless = less secure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my experience, it takes the cops 2 hours to turn up after the alarm goes off.

      I guess there are so many false alarms, that an alarm system by itself (without say, hidden land mines) is not all it's cracked up to be.

    97. Re:Wireless = less secure by mysidia · · Score: 1

      So, do these dogs have the ability to resist a "gift" of fresh meat followed up by a shot with a tranquilizer dart?

      Pets can be great companions, and they can warn you when something is amiss, but they are not a security force.

      If the pets will attack someone who makes a trail through your lawn, they are a liability. The passer-by can sue if they were bitten, get an order for the animal to be put down, and seek financial reparation.

      This might be the case, even if the intruder had to open a gate or climb a fence before your muscular security canines attacked.

    98. Re:Wireless = less secure by silentblackhawk · · Score: 1

      I once read a nice piece of work by a kid in the UK who designed a device that "sniffed" the same ID/RF code that the wireless sensors would give and record them to computer. Im not sure what he used to do the actual frequency snooping, but what i found intersting was the way he figured out to render the sensor useless. As i am aware from what my father told me about his DSC system, when a sensor's battery is about to fail it sends a message to the main router where all the information is taken in and processed. The guy would actually sit by a sensor and a sniff out multiple signals and feed them into a program that would find a replicate of the algorythm that the router was expecting from the wireless device. It would them send out a battey fault message, causing the system to accept the second replicate algorythm as the new one. Im not sure if I got all the data right, but it seemed to me like he had figured out a way to the systems core programming. Im not very familiar with security systems, but is it true that when a battery is replaced in a wirless device, there is a "pairing" function to assosciate with that device again? Something much like a wireless mouse with a computer. It seemed like a sound idea to me, and I know that my security system at home seems to have many issues with the way wirless sensors interact with the router. I even remember once when i was 16 I had created a spread spectrum device for my stereo that used 2.4ghz to stream music. I was calibrating it at around 1 o'clock when it set off all of the wireless sensors in our house. Long story short, it caused the police to come to our house with a report of Glass Break from DSC. Im not sure if that specific code came from a certain frequency during calibration, or what.

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    99. Re:Wireless = less secure by Technician · · Score: 1

      Most wireless sensors do not have a receiver. They have no way be asked to respond to a poll. This is for cost and battery life. Wireless sensors with a small self contained battery simply do not have the space or power to run a full time receiver.

      Sensors with receivers simply are not for the home market, but are only for high value inventory protection such as museums and other hard to wire large locations where power besides a small battery is connected to the sensor. These sensors cost the same as many small home alarm systems.

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    100. Re:Wireless = less secure by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      The chances of a business having 24 hour monitored surveillance is next to none.

      99% of businesses don't have monitored surveillance, so how is it any different than home surveillance? Except of course with a house you have the chance that someone will be nearby.

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    101. Re:Wireless = less secure by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      Cameras don't work and never have.

      That explains why people spend tens of thousands (sometimes hundreds of thousands) of dollars installing them.

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    102. Re:Wireless = less secure by TheLink · · Score: 1

      That's exactly what makes wireless stuff a problem to secure.

      You can do what he did, safely far away.

      You may not even have to be parked outside.

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    103. Re:Wireless = less secure by TheLink · · Score: 1

      If the alarm goes off often enough, people in the area might actually start wishing the car get stolen ASAP ;).

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    104. Re:Wireless = less secure by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Some guy used RFID for his gun safe... Not sure if that's a good idea :).

      http://www.techradar.com/news/world-of-tech/guy-injects-rfid-into-his-hand-475871

      Guns throughout the house might be a bit worrisome if you have "impulsive" relatives or children about.

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    105. Re:Wireless = less secure by Eivind · · Score: 1

      Sure. It's very simple. They want easy money. If you can convince them that your house is NOT a source of easy money, they won't bother. This typically means either your house ain't easy, or it ain't money.

      The second approach works well for some items like half-expensive bikes. A friend of mine used to get bikes stolen on a regular basis, until he painted one pink with yellow stripes. The bike still works precisely as well as it ever did, but it's not longer easy to sell it on the black market.

    106. Re:Wireless = less secure by ikeman32 · · Score: 1

      "Instead a HiRes-Cam.. wouldnt he better invet that money into a stronger backdoor? you know.. like.. with a lock?"

      Locks only keep honest people out. even then they only work if you use them.

    107. Re:Wireless = less secure by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "Guns throughout the house might be a bit worrisome if you have "impulsive" relatives or children about."

      Well, I can't address the impulsive relative thing, but, as a young kid (about 4th or 5th grade?)...I knew where the gun in our house was, how to use it...and to NEVER EVER touch it, unless someone was trying to break in the house (I was a latch key kid).

      I know I'd get in a lot of trouble if I even thought about touching it just for fun, and never did.

      One time...I was home alone, it started to rain, and some bum was at the front door wanting some water or something....I told him no...and stood there with the gun in my hand, locked and loaded ready to fire.

      When he finally left...I took the clip out, removed the chambered bullet, and put everything back, and called my parents. They said I did good, and that was it.

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    108. Re:Wireless = less secure by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1

      Two of my workmates have 50 caliber rifles worth over $15,000, that they're unlikely to use for casual home defense. They have much smaller, much cheaper pistols intended for burglars, and the extremely expensive rifles stay in the gun safes.

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    109. Re:Wireless = less secure by FictionPimp · · Score: 1

      Are you sure about that? With the growing trend of business being in 'malls' it seems to be the case. I've had a few times where I've pulled into a empty parking lot to have a security car drive by a few seconds later to check up on me. How did they know I was there? My guess is the camera in front of the stores.

      My comment though was targeted at the cameras in stores. They are not there to stop night time after hours theft. They are meant to stop theft during operation hours where their threat is that someone might be monitoring them.

      I would have no fear of a camera on a house. It is quite useless. I'd have a lot more fear of stealing a dvd from best buy during normal operating hours.

    110. Re:Wireless = less secure by avronius · · Score: 1

      Yes, the dogs will resist a "gift" of meat from anyone. It's amazingly simple to train dogs to only accept food from the owner.

      The only way for someone to make a trail through my lawn is to open one of the two gates. Each of which has a bright black text on yellow background sign. The sign has an icon of a dog, and the words "Beware of Dog". Here in Canada, this is sufficient notification to trespassers to avoid that type of lawsuit.

      Having said that, they are "inside dogs", and are not running amok in my yard when I'm not home.

      My dogs are, first and foremost, my pets.

      Back in '73, my parents purchased a German Sheppard. The dog excelled at obedience, and was, by all accounts, a friendly dog. The neighbourhood kids would come over to play, and the dog would end up in hats, getting it's ears and tail pulled, etc.. On the three occasions when the dog escaped the yard, he jumped happily into the dog pound truck that was making rounds.

      When the dog was just shy of two years, my dad was working night shift. My mother was awakened by the dog growling, so she through on her housecoat and went to the top of the stairs - with the dog beside her. The door handle was rattling, any my mother assumed that it was my dad. When the door burst open, and it was a burglar, my mother screamed, and the dog jumped at the intruder - removing a large piece of flesh from his upper arm.

      He was captured burglarizing another home two weeks later, and proceeded to sue my parents for a million dollars (QUITE a lot of money back in '74). The judge awarded the burglar solely on the grounds that there was no "Beware of Dog" sign. He was awarded one penny, and the dog had to be put down.

      It was a tragic way to learn this lesson, but it ensures that if a similar event happens to my family, my pets will not be penalized.

    111. Re:Wireless = less secure by NateTech · · Score: 1

      Not defending the argument that they don't work, but a very large number of businesses make/save more money with them monitoring their OWN STAFF for fraud/stealing, than they do from ever catching any "external" crooks.

      There are more cameras in the employee-only areas of a WalMart than there are in the retail store portion of the building.

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    112. Re:Wireless = less secure by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, which part of "people only act in rational ways based on logic and good research" suddenly became true?

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    113. Re:Wireless = less secure by jhylkema · · Score: 1

      I keep a 12 gauge by my bed, and NRA stickers on the windows.

      So you have a bunch of "steal my guns when I'm not at home" stickers on your house.

      Redneck idiot.

    114. Re:Wireless = less secure by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      Logic?!?!?!

      Welcome to planet earth...
      We hope you enjoy your stay.

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    115. Re:Wireless = less secure by dloseke · · Score: 1

      I hate wireless. You have to mess with multiple batteries, a higher likelihood of false alarms due to loss of contact, dead batteries, interference, etc. Wired is by far the most reliable way to go, but for DIY folks, wireless is convenient to install. Don't forget you have to find a company to do the monitoring as well...there's lots of third party companies to do monitoring so you don't have to sign a contact or buy a system from one of the big vendors (ADT, Brinks, etc) and most existing systems can be reprogrammed for those 3rd party monitoring companies (from my experience, Brinks systems are difficult to reprogram).

    116. Re:Wireless = less secure by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      whooosh.

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  2. Stilll alive? by Ostracus · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Thanks to wireless window and door sensors and motion detectors, installing and maintaining one's own security system is becoming a do-it-yourself project, with kits available from companies like InGrid and LaserShield. "

    Does any of them come with a portal turret?

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    1. Re:Stilll alive? by buswolley · · Score: 5, Funny

      Tired of thieves stealing his tools, my grandpa electrified the padlock with one of those electric fence units used with cattle and horses. Difference, 3' from the unit instead of 300' of fencing wire.

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    2. Re:Stilll alive? by GuyverDH · · Score: 1

      Not sure of the portal turret, but you can come damned close...

      http://www.amazing1.com/ultra.htm

      Place a few of the PPF40 units in housings aimed at the entry areas, then enjoy the writhing, screaming and contortions of the folks trying to get me to vote for their candidate... (just kidding - I think)

      I've messed around with some of these circuits in the past and while fun to play around with, the amount of pain that can be induced would make a decent deterrent.

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    3. Re:Stilll alive? by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      You you would expect the would be thief to hear the transformer ticking away. But then again criminals are pretty stupid. I have been meaning to buy an electric fence transformer for sometime now. I have a great prank lined up.

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    4. Re:Stilll alive? by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      The article neglects the fact that lazy companies like ADT already use primarily wireless devices so that they don't have to run wire, and yet they charge the same price that they used to charge for wired installations.
      My experience with wireless devices is that they cost a small fortune in lithium batteries every year and since they have the need to transmit over RF, they are more complex than a hardwired installation and more prone to failure.
      But just because wires are involved doesn't mean it can't be DIY. There are plenty of modular systems you can buy and peice together for about the price of an ADT system which will have about 4 times the functionality that a typical ADT system would give you.

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    5. Re:Stilll alive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is great and all, until you get sued by someone breaking into your house and getting shocked.

    6. Re:Stilll alive? by buswolley · · Score: 1
      Actually it is even better. Right outside of the locked shed, he has a bug zapper. Loud and very electric.

      Scenario, the thief gets shocked, and then hear a bug get zapped. Connection, they just got zapped like a bug. They are a bug.

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    7. Re:Stilll alive? by buswolley · · Score: 1

      Perhaps.. But do you get sued when someone tried to hop your electric fence to steal cattle?

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  3. This isn't news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This was exactly what my grandpa was doing for his house in 1989. He went around the house and added motion sensors and magnetic reed switches on the windows. There was even an optional wireless component here and there for the system which was not X10-based (though he did have a few lights controlled with that).

    The problem was that it was of limited use compared to the commercially-monitored ones because, but of course, it was not monitored.

    Now a positive externality of an alarm going off is that a burglar is going to assume that the cops will be there in ten minutes, but you never know...especially if he learns as an hour later, the alarm is still going off...
     
    My three cents.

    1. Re:This isn't news... by zappepcs · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You have just identified a new service for alarm.com or some new start-up - monitoring home installed alarms systems. Can't be that hard as the protocols are not exactly rocket science. Build a cheap-ish modem for Internet connection and you're off to success. Damn, forgot

      1 - identify simple interface protocol
      2 - build modem to connect user's alarm system to
      3 - set up monitoring data center(s)
      4 - ....
      5 - profit

      I'm just wondering what I'm going to do with that 8 foot long flexible shaft 3/4 inch auger drill bit I bought! damn!

    2. Re:This isn't news... by Technician · · Score: 1

      Buying a monitoring contract is much cheaper than buying an alarm bundled with a contract.

      Monitoring is about $10/month. When bundled with a alarm package, monitoring is often $45/month. It's much cheaper to self install and buy monitoring, even though you pay more for the alarm. The first year of monitoring will pay the difference.

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    3. Re:This isn't news... by laughingcoyote · · Score: 1

      Now a positive externality of an alarm going off is that a burglar is going to assume that the cops will be there in ten minutes, but you never know...especially if he learns as an hour later, the alarm is still going off... My three cents.

      An hour later, the cops are going to be there, if for no other reason than an irritated neighbor calling them to get you to turn off the *$*#@(*@* alarm. So there's your monitoring service.

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  4. Fail. by assemblerex · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wireless? Good thing most criminals are stupid.
    Watch the neighborhood kids set this off with a modded cordless phone...

    1. Re:Fail. by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      WiFi surveillance cameras are very popular!

      I have been meaning to buy/build a WiFi for ages.

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  5. Cellphones by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you could figure out a way to hook an old cellphone into your homebrew security system, you could have it auto-dial 911, since any cellphone, even one without a service plan, has to be able to make that call.

    Add in a pre-recorded message and you have replicated most of what the home security companies do with their monitoring.

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    1. Re:Cellphones by Gazzonyx · · Score: 1

      Asterisk box w/ bluetooth, FTW!

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    2. Re:Cellphones by Firehed · · Score: 1

      Can't be too tricky, given that Thinkgeek sells a contraption that sends you messages over Twitter if your plant is over/under-watered.

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    3. Re:Cellphones by plover · · Score: 3, Informative

      AFAIK, in most localities an automated system is not permitted to call 911 directly. You're better off having a cheap prepaid cell phone call your cell phone so you can then call the police / fire.

      But you'd better have a lot of confidence in your alarm system. Most municipalities will charge you for the first few false alarms, and will then either force you to remove the system or charge you with a public nuisance misdemeanor.

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    4. Re:Cellphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, except that will get you in hot water since UL guidelines specifically prohibit security systems of any sort to Auto-Dial 911. False alarms suck.

    5. Re:Cellphones by Barny · · Score: 1

      For $1200AU install and $20/mo, I got a monitored (that is it phones home, and has mobile backup) monitored security setup.

      Its not wireless, its very tamper proof, and my insurance company discount almost pays for the monitoring fee for the year.

      This is one of those things you don't fuck around with yourself :)

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    6. Re:Cellphones by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

      Web cams.

      It's not an ideal situation but think of this.

      Your alarm system calls you at work. You check your gmail account for the newest auto-sent webcam pics. If you see something, call the police. If not, keep an eye out just in case.

      LK

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    7. Re:Cellphones by rdnetto · · Score: 1

      Actually, the emergency number for mobile phones is 112 (at least in Australia it is)

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    8. Re:Cellphones by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      112 should work on ANY GSM Mobile phone.

      It will work if you take your phone into another country and don't know their local emergency number.

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    9. Re:Cellphones by niiler · · Score: 1

      Also, having inquired with my insurance company about such things, I was told that if I did it myself, no matter how competently, I would not qualify for a reduction in homeowner's insurance. I could only qualify if a "professional" company did the job. I suspect this gets to the point of having some third party able to validate that your home was indeed broken into and that you didn't just trigger the alarm yourself for *profit*.

    10. Re:Cellphones by orielbean · · Score: 1

      I saw a cool X-10 system that hooks into your wireless router. It calls/txt messages a total of 4 different numbers when a breach occurs; so you could have one of those be you, your spouse, a neighbor, and a family member. No need for fancy servers or payments or worrying about cell service.

    11. Re:Cellphones by lucifuge31337 · · Score: 1

      Illegal in more jurisdictions. 911 only to be called by humans, in order to cut the signal to noise ratio of false alarms.

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    12. Re:Cellphones by getmerexkramer · · Score: 1

      "If you could figure out a way to hook an old cellphone into your homebrew security system..." My first thought was 'a security system for my homebrew - brilliant!'

  6. Best reference I've found on D.I.Y. home security: by kbrasee · · Score: 5, Funny
  7. Honeypot@home by jedwidz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What I wanna do is set up a honey pot dresser drawer that's wired to a silent alarm, maybe one that sends me an SMS and activates surveillance cameras.

    The contents of the honey pot drawer would of course include something of value with a homing beacon concealed in it.

    (But maybe I won't bother now everyone knows how secure my house is.)

  8. Lasershield Hack by __aajwxe560 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While most home burglars are not necessarily the most sophisticated, I have read a few reports of the ease of use of hacking the LaserShield. This basically involves breaking the communication between the base unit and sensors, such as by just having a two way radio turned to the same frequency and sending some noise over it to break reception. The base unit does not seem to regularly poll the remote sensors from what I can tell, and so is unaware of a break in communication. Engadget has a video demonstrating the hack here.

    While little security is better than none, I still think its important to understand the risks of poorly designed wireless security system devices versus well designed ones or even more conventional wired security system devices.

    1. Re:Lasershield Hack by kmac06 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What are the odds the average burglar will (a) realize you have a hackable home security system, and (b) actually hack it. The point isn't to make your home 100% impregnable, just make it harder/less likely to get hit. If you can stop 19/20 robberies, that's pretty good.

    2. Re:Lasershield Hack by Bios_Hakr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If that's true, then LS is run by a bunch of idiots. The default state for any alarm system should be ALARM. If the telephone line is cut, the CO should get an ALARM signal. If the batteries in the base station die, the CO should get an ALARM signal. If there is interference between the sensors and the base station, the BS should send ALARM to the CO.

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    3. Re:Lasershield Hack by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      I agree that your point is valid, at present; but I don't think that it will remain so if this stuff gets popular. Consider the various credit card skimming machines: those require nontrivial technical skill to design and manufacture; but that doesn't stop fairly low-end crooks from using them because crooks buy stuff from suppliers on the internet just like geeks do.

      If LaserShield, or any other system with similar gaping flaws, becomes popular, you'll be able to buy little handheld LaserShield detector/jammer units on DealExtreme for peanuts, just like you can with cell jammers today.

      It is actually a rather hard problem. In order to be dead easy peel 'n stick, all entrants into the "DIY home security for the nontechnically inclined" market will be wireless. If the wireless systems fail silent, then jamming will be dangerous. If wireless systems Alarm on fail, then setting off an entire neighborhood with a protoboard design you got off hackaday will be every teenage malcontent with a soldering iron's secondary hobby.

    4. Re:Lasershield Hack by theLOUDroom · · Score: 1

      While little security is better than none

      If the probability of false alarm is high enough. (Fines for me.) And the probability burglary and detection is low enough, then having a system could actually be worse than not having one.

      Cost or benefit of system = -1 * p_false_alarm * cost_false alarm + p_burglary * p_detection * money_saved - cost_of_system

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    5. Re:Lasershield Hack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the wireless systems fail silent, then jamming will be dangerous. If wireless systems Alarm on fail, then setting off an entire neighborhood with a protoboard design you got off hackaday will be every teenage malcontent with a soldering iron's secondary hobby.

      It's neither. At least one of them sends a "I'm jammed" signal when its jammed. It won't stop a burglar (because there's no police dispatch for a jammed system) but if the place gets robbed at least you'll know how they did it. (more sophisticated responses could actually catch the crooks the next time around, but would require a lot more work than the police are actually willing to go through to catch mere burglars. After all, there could be internet gamblers and music pirates to catch.)

    6. Re:Lasershield Hack by Firehed · · Score: 1

      It won't stop 19/20 robberies, it will just cause the thieves to hit the house next door 19/20 times. Which is a good or a bad thing, depending on whether you're friends with the neighbor.

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    7. Re:Lasershield Hack by atraintocry · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If my neighbor blamed me for his house getting robbed because I had an alarm and he didn't, then he basically deserved to get robbed for being such an ass.

    8. Re:Lasershield Hack by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      Why would you need to disable the security system? Most houses have glass windows.

      The longer you remain near the house the more likely you are to be noticed.

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    9. Re:Lasershield Hack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you need to disable the security system? Most houses have glass windows.

      And most alarm systems have glass break sensors. Break my window and if the sound doesn't wake me, the alarm will. Either way, you're saying hello to Mr. 12 gauge.

    10. Re:Lasershield Hack by TheBig1 · · Score: 1

      CC skimmers represent, IMHO, a different class of criminals. CC numbers are quite valuable to organized crime, etc, and due to a lack of interest with the banks, it is pretty easy to get away with CC fraud. (It is cheaper for banks to absorb the losses rather than pay for better CC security). Plus, it is quite easy to get tens of CC numbers over the course of an evening, say if you are working at a restaraunt.

      Compare that to common home burglaries - unless the victim has a large amount of cash sitting on his night stand, to actually make any money, the burglars would have to pawn or otherwise get rid of the stuff they stole. Not counting the increased chance that they get caught when pawning, if nothing else it is just quite a bit more work, and does not scale as efficiently.

      Due to how CC fraud both scales better, and requires some up-front investments (CC skimmer), I don't think that we will be seeing much of a change with the 'smart' criminals going into home burglaries - there is just too much work for the payback to be worth it, in volume.

      Cheers

  9. Not work it by burningcpu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For $10 more a month, an alarm company with hundreds of dispatchers can respond to your alarms for you. Tough for you to respond to the hold up alarm going off at your house, when you're the one that tripped it.

    1. Re:Not work it by Wog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hold up alarm? For less than $100 every four years, you can get a carry permit, which will not only keep you from being held up at home, but equip you to protect yourself away from home!

      Also, from my personal experience and the word of many cops, the authorities will dispatch a unit faster to a homeowner reporting a break-in than an alarm company reporting that an alarm has been tripped.

      So though I'd never rush home to try and stop anything myself (we pay young guys who really want to catch burglars for us), being notified and calling the cops myself probably has a better chance of getting an officer there within 45 minutes.

    2. Re:Not work it by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      I'm impressed that the cops answer alarm calls.

      In Australia the alarm company will call to tell you your alarm has gone off and any other information your system provides them, then its up to you to deal with it.

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    3. Re:Not work it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...but equip you to protect yourself away from home"

      I am pro guns all the way. But I would like to point out, when you need it, it is happening instantly. And, one on one, you probably will NOT roll high enough for initiative. :D

    4. Re:Not work it by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Most people breaking into houses aren't armed, and usually aren't expecting homeowners to be armed and put up a fight. In our home, we keep guns on our near us at all times. Someone breaking in would simply be shot on sight, possibly before they even get through the door.

      As for permits, however (this is to the previous poster), in any decent state you don't need a permit to carry in your own home. You only need it to carry concealed outside. And the very best states don't require a permit at all (Vermont is like this, and Alaska I think). Here in Arizona, you can carry openly without a permit; you only need a permit to carry concealed. The problem with carrying openly is all the stupid looks and comments you get from the California rejects: "Is that a gun?", "What do you need that for?", "Are you a bounty hunter?", etc. The best is when people make some comment as you enter a grocery store, when the bank in the same parking lot was robbed the day before.

  10. Home wireless security systems by mikael · · Score: 1

    Some time back on my campus, a start-up company offered home security systems based on the broadband and mobile phone networks. You had a series of modules (motion detectors, cameras, mobile/internet communications), that you plugged together. You just set up the IP addresses and an optional web page, and the system took care of the rest (timestamping, E-mail/mobile phone alerts)

    The next thing, the local insurance company (Endsleigh) announces that they are closing many of their offices. I always wondered whether these were related. Did people spend more money on installing security systems than insurance?

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    1. Re:Home wireless security systems by Barny · · Score: 2, Informative

      An alarm system from a licensed installer will reduce the cost of your insurance premiums (at least it does here), not worth doing it yourself since your insurance savings will eventually pay for it anyway.

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    2. Re:Home wireless security systems by mikael · · Score: 1

      Endsleigh are known as a rather tricky insurance company by students. They wouldn't insure any single item unless it was less than 10% of the total amount of money that you wanted to insure. They would also try to wriggle out of claims - one guy I knew had his bicycle stolen even though it was padlocked to the railings of the internal staircase. Endsleigh argued that it was "outside of the exterior of the property, and thus not covered." Only after getting a solicitors letter to explain the legal definition of the "exterior of the property" was the claim settled.

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    3. Re:Home wireless security systems by Barny · · Score: 1

      "exterior of the property" usually refers to outside of the property insured, namely the dorm room (yeah, I know, I been through the argument with em too when I was at uni, over pushbikes as well).

      I have been fairly happy with my insurer, and still am through them now, am paying practically nothing, have had 2 break ins but due to security measures (dead bolted entries, alarm scaring shit out of them) nothing was taken, they love me :)

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  11. Webcam + sw by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you're not looking for 3rd party monitoring, there are quite a few windows apps that monitor webcams. Currently, I use SupervisionCam. Monitor several cams at once, and perform multiple actions on motion detection. Email, FTP to elsewhere, run an external app, play a sound (BarkBark!). Or, have it capture 1 frame every couple of seconds, and go into high gear on motion detection.

    Just be sure you have your motion sensor set right. Otherwise, you might quickly fill up your email or webserver space.

    2 or 3 cams pointed at various entrances is cheap and easy.

    1. Re:Webcam + sw by Mr_Tulip · · Score: 1

      If your alarm system is web-enabled, how will you monitor it if the power goes out, or your internet is down. Nevermind the fact that burglars often cut phone lines if they are really trying to get into a joint, and suspect that a monitored alarm may be installed.

    2. Re:Webcam + sw by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      Never said it was perfect. I live in a low threat area. This is good enough.
      But....in my location, they can't cut the cable line without being monitored. Yes, there is a cam pointed out the window, encompassing the whole cable line from pole to house. Several frames will be captured and FTP'd before the line is cut. Especially as the outside security light comes on (at night) if they near that part of the house.

    3. Re:Webcam + sw by houstonbofh · · Score: 2, Informative

      In the spirit of FOSS, http://www.zoneminder.com/ is a Linux based network camera system with built in motion detection. Works very well, and saves images a jpeg, not a proprietary lossy compressed stream.

    4. Re:Webcam + sw by munwin99 · · Score: 0

      Small UPS / Battery Backup for power and an old mobile phone for backup net connection (modem style to a second ISP). Done. Get a minimal net connection for the phone as (hopefully) you won't use it all that often. Make sure it _is_ reliable though - cause when you _need_ it, you really need it.

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    5. Re:Webcam + sw by Mr_Tulip · · Score: 1

      What I did was install a second-hand alarm panel like one of these with 6 IR sensors, door and window sensors, and a mobile phone card, hooked up to a cheap prepaid mobile plan.
      The phone card is able to send custom SMS messages to 5 numbers, with info on which zones were triggered. Each number can be triggered by a different combination of zone faults, with a custom message for each number. I have the fire alarm hooked into the system as well, though it currently only calls my number in case of any zone faults.
      While this has no webcam, it's capable of notifying me, the police, fire brigade or ambulance that something has happened-depending on the nature of the alarm.
      My next project will be to install a NAS and Server in the attic, protected with UPS. I was thinking of hooking up a couple of webcams which could be set up to start recording if an alarm zone fault is triggered, but I don't think that webcam coverage is that useful though, because most burglaries happen at night, and the thieves will probably use torches instead of turning on all the lights. I guess one could go to the trouble of setting up X10 lighting to illuminate the house while the webcams start recording, though if you live in a fairly safe suburb, your neighbours will probably start worrying about you.

    6. Re:Webcam + sw by giorgiofr · · Score: 1

      Because JPEG is not lossy? Since when?

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    7. Re:Webcam + sw by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      In most cases the monitoring company knows the line has been cut because they lose the signal.

      Mobile phones and The Internet don't have the same reliability as landline telephones so you would need to make allowances for this. Like 5 seconds no contact triggers the remote alarm instead of instant alarm.

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    8. Re:Webcam + sw by karbyn-aceous · · Score: 0

      since Sunday November 02, @11:53PM

    9. Re:Webcam + sw by lucifuge31337 · · Score: 1

      and saves images a jpeg, not a proprietary lossy compressed stream.

      Too bad that you need one of those lossy, proprietary compressed schemes to be considered evidenciary (as many of those attempt to proove the image hasn't been manipulated).

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    10. Re:Webcam + sw by Jozef+Nagy · · Score: 2, Informative

      FINALLY someone mentions ZoneMinder. It's an amazing system that's highly underrated in my opinion. I've been deploying ZoneMinder based security systems for a few years now. It's versatile, very complex, and because it's free and open source, your only costs are hardware. It's the best solution for small/home businesses on a budget. However, I'd have to say that it's major caveat is that it takes someone with Linux and systems building experience to get working optimally. If you just want some random camera hooked up to your home server then it's a simple install. However, if you want an n-camera setup recording in various ways, then you'll at least need to know how to put together a beefy enough system and monitor the load to optimize ZoneMinder. For example, if your disk array is being reamed, then you might want to lower the framerate you're recording at, etc.

      For personal use I plan on setting up a webcam pointed at my birdfeeder w/ ZoneMinder running on my home server. It's a neat thing to do. And if my work lets me, I'll install a camera in our kitchen. Soon enough the milk pilfering culprit will be caught!

    11. Re:Webcam + sw by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      It is an open (If not free and open) standard, and less lossy than some of the proprietary crap out there. Even less lossy than mpeg. And it is viewable on almost any system, unlike some stuff on other DVRs.

    12. Re:Webcam + sw by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Too bad that you need one of those lossy, proprietary compressed schemes to be considered evidenciary (as many of those attempt to proove the image hasn't been manipulated).

      Varies by location, and there are other ways to preserve chain of custody. You can upload events as they happen to a 3rd party for example. And ZoneMinder does support this.

    13. Re:Webcam + sw by lucifuge31337 · · Score: 1

      Uploading to WHAT 3rd party?

      Mind you, you're talking to a sworn law enforcment officer (yes....really. My part time job is as fire marshal of a small town).

      Yes, these things vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction....even judge to judge. But some basic structure remains - most times electronic evidence will not be held with the same level of credibility unless 1.) it is reasonably protected from tampering or 2.) someone is sitting in the court room that can say "Yes, your honor, this IS an accurate representation of what I saw." (which is why I can use a regular old DSLR for documenting scenes - I'm in court to say that I took the picture and that it accurately represents what I found)

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    14. Re:Webcam + sw by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Uploading to WHAT 3rd party?

      As far as the software is concerned, any FTP server. However, we offer the service to some clients. Uploads are logged. Directories are backed up. The client does not have overwrite or delete access. What you get here is not fact, but preponderance of the evidence. This picture matches this picture, and I had custody and control of my data.

      Mind you, you're talking to a sworn law enforcment officer (yes....really. My part time job is as fire marshal of a small town). Yes, these things vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction....even judge to judge. But some basic structure remains - most times electronic evidence will not be held with the same level of credibility unless 1.) it is reasonably protected from tampering or 2.) someone is sitting in the court room that can say "Yes, your honor, this IS an accurate representation of what I saw." (which is why I can use a regular old DSLR for documenting scenes - I'm in court to say that I took the picture and that it accurately represents what I found)

      And point 1 is satisfied by logs on both the DVR and the FTP server that match time, and image. Often, point 2 can be satisfied by the client watching, or someone remote watching as well. But no system is perfect. A good lawyer can even discredit an eye witness with a movie camera. You do what you can, and cross your fingers.

    15. Re:Webcam + sw by lucifuge31337 · · Score: 1

      Good points - it sounds reasonable enough that I could see it flying in court. Of course, you always have the oldster judge that falls asleep at the first mention of anything like "FTP" or "server logs" and "time stamps." But that's our justice system.

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  12. I for one... by nathan.fulton · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While I don't do the security camera thing, I do have my laptop send periodic pictures (including 5 seconds of video and audio at login) to my server using the built-in webcam and some OSS products. It only does this when it isn't at home, and it encrypts the files, so it's a great way to ensure that my computer is safe without becoming a privacy threat to myself.

    I did this because I had some equipment stolen a while ago. I don't mind if people break into my house, as long as they leave everything how they found it. So instead of securing my house, I secured my property by having everything of value phone home when it's out and about. It's an alternate (cheaper) approach people might want to think about.

    1. Re:I for one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, great idea. I wish my HDV camera, home theater system and expensive guitars had a login screen or a net connection. My laptop is cheap and very easy to replace. The real expensive stuff can't even run software.

    2. Re:I for one... by TheModelEskimo · · Score: 1

      Does this assume that the thief has your login password, or does your machine login automatically? I assume the latter, since you don't mind if people break into your house. :-)

      (Although, it sounds like you'd prefer to be broken into by some Boy Scouts, considering your rather curious expectation of benevolence on their part ;-))

    3. Re:I for one... by shird · · Score: 1

      Yeah ok, do that to a diamond ring. Fat lot of good phoning home does when your laptop is stolen and hocked. Sure you *might* get a photo of the thief, but how does that get your laptop back? Do you plan on tracking him down somehow, then asking who he sold it to, then tracking them down, then convincing them its your latptop etc etc etc ? no. You will need to claim on insurance either way. And you'd have cheaper premiums if you secured your house.

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    4. Re:I for one... by shird · · Score: 1

      How do the thieves know the stuff phones home? They don't, they will steal it anyway. And you won't get it back no matter ho many photos you take. You dumbass. Of course having your stuff stolen is a cheaper alternative to putting locks on your doors, but normal people don't want their stuff stolen.

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    5. Re:I for one... by fan+of+lem · · Score: 1

      I don't mind if people break into my house

      Then I'll be sure to pack some beer with my crowbar!

    6. Re:I for one... by kickdrop · · Score: 1

      Sauce?

    7. Re:I for one... by ZerdZerd · · Score: 1

      Care to tell what OSS products?

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    8. Re:I for one... by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      I don't mind if people break into my house, as long as they leave everything how they found it.

      WTF?

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    9. Re:I for one... by MrDERP · · Score: 1

      Sounds neat, what software did you use? I have thought about this before.

    10. Re:I for one... by nathan.fulton · · Score: 1

      I used streamer, curl, and a couple shell scripts (one for login, one triggered by a cron job) Once you read the man pages, my methods become obvious (use streamer to take audio/video/still picture, send to server with curl, have a file upload script on the server.) I used my own encryption program -- but anything will do, including mcrypt.

      Just make sure to store the files outside of your public webspace when they're uploaded.

      email me if you want more specifics, and I'll email you my shell scripts and the PHP script I use server-side.

  13. Problems... by Darkness404 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem is, if the alarm system fails, who do you blame? Its easy to say to the police/insurance agency "I had my alarm installed from *insert major alarm vendor here*, I set it but it failed or they disabled it" and they would believe you and care more about your case. If you said oh I bought my alarm from *insert minor DIY alarm vendor*, set it up myself and can control it from my iPhone, they will think its cool, but would blame the error on you and your case drops from near last priority to dead last.

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    1. Re:Problems... by kmac06 · · Score: 1

      I don't think the police would care one way or the other. And I don't think you insurance would care either, other than a likely (small) discount for having a third-party monitoring system.

    2. Re:Problems... by Barny · · Score: 1

      The "small" discount almost covers the cost of my security company monitoring :)

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    3. Re:Problems... by jimicus · · Score: 1

      I don't think the police would care one way or the other. And I don't think you insurance would care either, other than a likely (small) discount for having a third-party monitoring system.

      You ever had a major burglary? The insurance company can and will make fitting an alarm a condition of renewing your insurance next year. And don't imagine they'll accept "cheap DIY alarm from B&Q" because they won't.

  14. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  15. Security Camera Software Help by clinko · · Score: 1

    I've been looking for some good cheap or open source security camera software for a while now.

    It seems this would be a common need:
    1. Stream from a simple cheap Webcam & PC setup (Assumed to be stolen in the actual break-in)
    2. Record the stream remotely, this would be kept on my home PC w/a big cheap hd. Days of data would be deleted as needed.

    One problem is that most software that streams goes out of its way to make it impossible to save the data.

    You would think that this would be easier to find.

    1. Re:Security Camera Software Help by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      You don't need an actual stream. A frame (jpg) every second or three, then upon motion detection, every 0.25 second. We don't need movie quality video for this.

    2. Re:Security Camera Software Help by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Informative

      Try http://www.zoneminder.com/ which hits everything you mentioned. (If the webcam is Linux supported)

    3. Re:Security Camera Software Help by corychristison · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up!

      This software looks great. I've always considered the idea but didn't know where to start.

      Looks pretty hackable, too.... I might have to go out and buy some hardware!

    4. Re:Security Camera Software Help by b0bby · · Score: 2, Interesting

      +1 on Zoneminder. I bought a capture card & 2 analog cameras for work; it took me an afternoon to set up on a cheap Dell, including a minimal CentOS install. With an 80GB hard drive, I can easily keep 2 months of detected motion events (right now that's pushing 30,000 events, using 75% of the disk). I have to say, the capture cards + analog cameras seem to be much better than the USB webcams I messed with before, though they are more expensive. Start with an old PIII & a webcam, and see how you get on.

    5. Re:Security Camera Software Help by Jozef+Nagy · · Score: 1

      While ZoneMinder CAN record ridiculous amounts of video, it is heavily dependent on a few things: framerate, resolution, and amount of JPEG compression. In 1 production system I maintain, with 6 cameras at between 5-20 FPS, and 320x240 to 640x480 with minimal compression; I get about 3 day's worth of recording. It all depends on your needs. If you don't need high framerates, then you're good. However, what makes it a great system is that you can set it to motion detection. So that way when something DOES happen, it records at a high rate (ex: 30 FPS) while making sure not to waste disk space when there's no motion.

    6. Re:Security Camera Software Help by Jozef+Nagy · · Score: 1

      Sorry, left out a critical detail: the amount of disk space that those specs fill up in 3 days. This is all on a single logical drive using LVM to combine multiple physical drives. The total space for storing the events is about 2.5 terabytes. Yes, ZM can be a total whore. But hard drives are SO cheap...

  16. I'll stick with what I have.. by fucket · · Score: 4, Funny

    The shoelace and shotgun seems to be working okay so far.

  17. Security Camera Streaming Help by Ostracus · · Score: 1

    "You would think that this would be easier to find."

    A stream of data is a stream of data especially in a Unix OS. The rest is simple encoding/decoding and timing.

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  18. Dog + Gun works good too... by SpuriousLogic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My dog barks, I shoot. Pretty simple setup. No electricity, phone lines, cell signals, wireless, or anything else to not work. Plus, if I miss, my dog is none too friendly to strangers (Chow/Shepard mix). The minute someone even gets close to the house, he makes a VERY scary noise.

    1. Re:Dog + Gun works good too... by theLOUDroom · · Score: 1

      Any chance you're related to this guy?

      Although I'm a believer in the right to bear arms, it sounds like you're about to make a big mistake. Please try to do a little more investigation before you kill someone.

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    2. Re:Dog + Gun works good too... by Pinckney · · Score: 2, Informative

      And if it's the neighbour's kid retrieving his ball, you've committed murder. Congratulations.

      Well yeah, if you shoot anyone who sets foot in your yard...

      Don't take everything literally. Realistically, the grandparent probably won't shoot at anyone unless he can verify them as an intruder. His state probably has castle laws, too, making it perfectly legal, as long as he takes a bit of care. .

    3. Re:Dog + Gun works good too... by SpuriousLogic · · Score: 1

      What kid is retrieving his ball inside my house at night????

    4. Re:Dog + Gun works good too... by plover · · Score: 1

      I told them to stay off my damn lawn!

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      John
    5. Re:Dog + Gun works good too... by SpuriousLogic · · Score: 1

      There is a big difference between what that guy did and me finding an intruder in my house. I don't see the connection. Not sure what makes you think I shoot at people on my lawn.

    6. Re:Dog + Gun works good too... by MagusSlurpy · · Score: 1

      The problem there is that if you're not home, nobody shoots. What you need to do attach your shotgun to the dog's back, and set up a sound-activated relay on the trigger, so when the dog looks at something and barks, it automatically fires. Now your home is fully protected.

      Disclaimer: Teach your dog to not bark excitedly when you come home from work.

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    7. Re:Dog + Gun works good too... by theLOUDroom · · Score: 0, Troll

      "My dog barks, I shoot."

      That's what makes me think you aren't being that careful.

      You did NOT say "My dog barks at someone inside my house whom I have identified as an intruder, I shoot."

      We talking about potentially ending someone's life here. If you want people to think you go through a carefully thought out process before shooting someone then you should say so, instead of stating just the opposite.

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    8. Re:Dog + Gun works good too... by narcberry · · Score: 1

      Or barking when people ring the doorbell. Not sure he wants to replace his sofa, wall, and refrigerator every time the witnesses come by.

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    9. Re:Dog + Gun works good too... by TheLink · · Score: 1

      All it takes is for your dog to retrieve one kid's balls for him and the rest of the kids won't have enough balls to play with ;).

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    10. Re:Dog + Gun works good too... by freedom_india · · Score: 1

      Ugh!!! You are dirty man. Although perfectly right.

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    11. Re:Dog + Gun works good too... by TheLink · · Score: 1

      I actually screwed up the second sentence with my editing etc. Should end "the rest of the kids won't have enough balls.".

      Oh well...

      I suppose he could put up a sign: "Beware of dog. Do not tempt dog with remaining body parts."

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    12. Re:Dog + Gun works good too... by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Well I hope he will be using his brain a bit more than you assume.

      But yeah, he does give the impression he's one of those stereotypes :).

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    13. Re:Dog + Gun works good too... by Bromskloss · · Score: 2, Funny

      My dog barks, I shoot.

      Poor dog.

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    14. Re:Dog + Gun works good too... by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      Kid shouldn't have been trespassing.

      The parents are to blame, bad parenting.

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    15. Re:Dog + Gun works good too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did he say, "My dog barks, then I shoot?" You are misinterpreting his words. Whatever makes you interpret his words in that way is what is "making" you think he isn't being careful. It's an assumption on your part that really has nothing him and everything to do with why you would choose that particular assumption.

      If I were to say to you, "I dry, you wash" would you take it to mean that when I dry the dishes, you should wash them? If I were to say "I write, she cooks" would you assume that every time I write, she cooks?

    16. Re:Dog + Gun works good too... by Mishra100 · · Score: 1

      Just as a FYI; most robberies happen in the day time while you are at work.

    17. Re:Dog + Gun works good too... by YouWantFriesWithThat · · Score: 1

      maybe his dog works from home...


      seriously though, i would count on an aggressive dog making your house less attractive to burgle. and the shooting would be reserved for the intruder who doesn't care if you are home or not.

    18. Re:Dog + Gun works good too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quit being such a literal jackass. You're what's wrong with the world.

    19. Re:Dog + Gun works good too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Worked for this lady:

      http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/laworder/story/9C58494B45470714862574F3006D0CA6?OpenDocument

    20. Re:Dog + Gun works good too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We did it like that too, until my dog got bored. Now he does the shooting and I just make scary noises. :(

    21. Re:Dog + Gun works good too... by bruceslog · · Score: 1

      Hey, are you the guy that just emptied the AK-47 into the 12 year old trick or treater that rang the doorbell last weekend ?

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  19. Simple Low Tech Solution by FooGoo · · Score: 1
    I use one of these. They come if different configurations and can handle a wide variety of situations.

    http://www.google.com/search?q=executive+protection+dog&btnG=Search

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  20. I'll stick with what I have..A bible. by Ostracus · · Score: 2, Informative

    I know you're joking but in case anyone takes you seriously. That's actually illegal.

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    1. Re:I'll stick with what I have..A bible. by fucket · · Score: 5, Funny

      In that case, I hope they knock when they come to arrest me.

    2. Re:I'll stick with what I have..A bible. by corychristison · · Score: 1

      I'll stick with what I have..A bible

      I suppose they come rather thick... if thrown hard enough it could do a bit of damage!
      Thanks for the insight!

      (I'm just kidding... but found it mildly humorous.)

    3. Re:I'll stick with what I have..A bible. by Psiven · · Score: 1

      I wasn't sure what they were talking about so looked it up. Apparently the combination makes it a "machine gun".

    4. Re:I'll stick with what I have..A bible. by istartedi · · Score: 2, Informative

      No. AFAIK, it's not restrictions against "machine guns" that make this illegal. It's specific restrictions against "booby traps". If such traps were allowed, just think of the consequences for authorities enterring homes where, for example, elderly have died alone, warranted searches are being performed, gas leaks have been detected, etc.

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    5. Re:I'll stick with what I have..A bible. by Bromskloss · · Score: 1

      I know you're joking but in case anyone takes you seriously. That's actually illegal.

      Which one of them? The shoelace, the shotgun or the Bible?

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    6. Re:I'll stick with what I have..A bible. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know you're joking but in case anyone takes you seriously. That's actually illegal.

      what about a shoelace and a big bowling ball ?

    7. Re:I'll stick with what I have..A bible. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While it is possible to use a shoelace to make a semi-automatic firearm fire repeatedly, what this person is talking about is a booby trap. Tripping the shoelace pulls the trigger, giving the burglar a torso full of buck shot.

      Funny story on the shoelace machine gun: there was a licensed machine-gun manufacturer who decided to be a smart-ass about the ruling on that. So he put a metal plate on a shoelace, stamped a serial number into it, then sent it to the ATF for classification and registration. They were smart-asses right back, and classified and registered the shoelace, and sent it back to him with the requisite paperwork.

  21. Yeah, no more ADT... by krovisser · · Score: 1

    Ugh, commercial alarm companies are scammers. I get a new house, and guess what? Every sensor from EVERY window and door is conveniently removed so I have to sign up for some shitty contract. I'm guessing the previous owners had theirs "disconnected" at some point which involved removing the sensors. That, and the fact that ADT fills my mail with ads and warnings that I'm about to get robbed and crap like that.

    1. Re:Yeah, no more ADT... by plover · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ADT sent me a great* scare ad a few years back. It read something like "SUMMER IS BURGLAR SEASON! DID YOU KNOW THAT 28% OF ALL BURGLARIES OCCUR BETWEEN MEMORIAL DAY AND LABOR DAY?"

      Well, I know that on average about 28% of all days in a year occur between Memorial Day and Labor Day. That either means the burglary rate is essentially flat year-round, or that any rise in the rate at some other time of year is offset by a corresponding decline in the rate at another point in the year. But in no case does any of the math yield the insight that makes summer "burglar season."

      * by great I mean so stupid that it stood head and shoulders above the rest of their stupid ads.

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    2. Re:Yeah, no more ADT... by mnslinky · · Score: 1

      ADT, or any alarm company, doesn't remove the sensors when the system is disconnected. There's no value in doing so. They simple dial in and disable the dial-out for alarms, or flag the account on their end so the monitoring staff doesn't respond to any alarms.

      Say what you will, but not all alarm companies are scammers. I own an alarm company and try to be completely honest and up front. Keep in mind, making a profit != automatic scam.

    3. Re:Yeah, no more ADT... by penguin_dance · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No ADT doesn't come in and remove the equipment--that was likely the previous owners--but they're still a scam. You BUY the equipment along with the monitoring. But if you cancel, not only does the monitoring go away--the equipment that you bought NO LONGER WORKS! Unless you can either hack it or sign up with a different monitor, you're screwed. That's just wrong. You should be able to get the use of your equipment with or without their service. It's the alarm that scares the burglar away--they don't know that it's not being monitored. In fact you're probably fine if you just have one of those signs out front that says you have ADT or whatever system.

      The other rip-off we discovered here is you have to register your alarm with the police or law enforcement agency in your area. If you don't then they might not respond if the monitoring company calls.

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    4. Re:Yeah, no more ADT... by kisielk · · Score: 1

      Not so. We recently set our office up with ADT and we provided most of our own alarm equipment including the keypads and a few sensors. The monitoring controllers mounted in our server room are from Kantech and as best I can tell they are not in any way proprietary.

    5. Re:Yeah, no more ADT... by mnslinky · · Score: 1

      Sorry, you're wrong. Unless they're dialing in and changing the passcodes, your system works exactly the same without monitoring as it does with monitoring. At the very least, call a local service tech and they'll get you back up and running, with our without monitoring.

    6. Re:Yeah, no more ADT... by mnslinky · · Score: 1

      The other rip-off we discovered here is you have to register your alarm with the police or law enforcement agency in your area. If you don't then they might not respond if the monitoring company calls.

      This is BS. Some municipalities require you register with the police department. Saint Paul, MN actually requires you to obtain a permit. The reason for this is so they can hold the home owner accountable for excessive false alarms. How do you think this is a scam?

    7. Re:Yeah, no more ADT... by mnslinky · · Score: 1

      Most monitoring companies can monitor any commercial burglar alarm. Most burglar alarms support multiple communication protocols. ADT doesn't use anything special. IIRC, ADT uses a rebranded Ademco panel. First Alert is a rebranded Ademco panel, as well.

    8. Re:Yeah, no more ADT... by Drew528 · · Score: 1

      In the United States, ADT sells Kantech card access systems. ADT does not sell any other Kantech products, but those may be available through other distribution channels or in other countries. Like every other company manufacturing card access systems (Northern Computers, Casi-Rusco, etc.), almost everything in a Kantech system is proprietary other than the electric locks.

  22. this seems stupid to me by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    1. what happens now is a healthy underground trade in wireless frequency blockers (or cloners, however the system works: absence of signal indicating intrusion versus presence of signal indicating intrusion). you can't do that with a wired system. i hardly think some cheap doodads are doing anything complicated with their signal that would defeat a blocker/ cloner

    2. additionally, now don't you have to change tons of little batteries all over the house? people think its a pain to remember changing the fire alarm batteries at daylight savings time changeovers. now they have to run around every 12 months changing specialty batteries on dozens of wireless intrusion gadgets too?

    of course there are plenty of ways to defeat wired systems. none of which also don't apply to wireless systems. you would need battery backups, cell backups, etc., on both. but still, the wired seems inherently more, ehem, secure, if you are going to all of the trouble of not just buying a dog

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    1. Re:this seems stupid to me by mnslinky · · Score: 2, Informative

      1) Security systems often detect jamming. This would cause a fault, actually a 'jamming' fault on Ademco systems.
      2) That's exactly why I hate wireless alarms. Ugh. If a customer wants wireless (cheaper on labor), fine, but not my recommendation.

    2. Re:this seems stupid to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not surprised - then again, you have no rational sense, so it of course it doesn't make sense to you...

    3. Re:this seems stupid to me by natoochtoniket · · Score: 1

      You are quite right that the periodic maintenance and battery-replacement is a serious problem in wireless systems. That's why most wireless systems more than a couple years old don't actually work.

      With a wired system, you have one big battery and a charger. The alarm companies sell little 7 amp-hour batteries that fit inside the alarm case. But it's easy to wire in a huge 200+ amp-hour AGM battery if you want it. (That is enough battery to keep the system running through a week or longer of electric utility outage.) The system tests the battery every so-many hours, and detects a 'fault' when the battery eventually fails the test. The battery only needs to be replaced every decade or so.

  23. Batteries? by HockeyPuck · · Score: 1

    So instead of having a wired sensor on every external door/window, I now have a wireless setup? How many batteries and how do I maintain them? I'll assume the sensors notify me that the downstairs bathroom window's sensor needs to be replaced.

    Retrofitting a house, go with the wireless solution so you don't have to tear up your walls (unless you've got an attach to run cabling)

    New House? hardwired, as there would be less maintenance.

    1. Re:Batteries? by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      So instead of having a wired sensor on every external door/window, I now have a wireless setup? How many batteries and how do I maintain them?

      My system has batteries half the size of an AA in each door sensor and bigger ones in other devices (fire alarms and audio sensors) and notifies me if they're running low.

  24. Well that's good to see! by WheelDweller · · Score: 0, Informative

    My Mom's house had ADT. They promised to get us a discount on the insurance of the house because it was there, and always watching for fire. We were told that the paperwork for that much-needed discount had been sent, and we assumed that the unit would be alert for fire and carbon monoxide as well.

    Three years later, with me in Chicago, we learned that wasn't quite true.

    1. In order to GET the insurance discount, you, and not ADT have to walk the paperwork over there and get signatures for it to matter. They never did, despite what we were told.

    2. We later learned that, despite three years of being on and chirping for every door-opening, it wouldn't have reported a fire or carbon monoxide problems, as those two sensors cost extra.

    Yeah, not friendly to ADT. I could make something better. In my new home, that's what I'm doing.

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    1. Re:Well that's good to see! by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      It took you three years to notice you weren't getting the insurance discount? Don't you look at your premium before paying it?

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  25. As usual, the field is already tilted by brundlefly · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'd love to wire my house security system myself. But I have a financial disincentive not to: my homeowners insurance (State Farm) gives me a significant discount for using my local (Bay Alarm) monitoring provider. The insurance discount almost covers the cost of 24/7 monitoring.

    Over time I *would* eventually recoup the costs of DIY. But it would take years to break even. And I have no idea how long it would take for the insurance amortizers to figure out the costs of vigilant DIY alarmers vs. happy outsourcers. I can't even hazard a guess which direction those splits would trend towards.

    Bottom line: tech is cool; business is challenged; limited mainstream appeal.

    1. Re:As usual, the field is already tilted by Diacre · · Score: 1

      While it may appear that you aren't paying money for alarm systems, because they are covered by insurance, look at the real costs that alarm companies have. They charge people monthly fees with minimal cost to themselves because, they don't police the systems themselves. You are paying, not only for your own house but everyone elses. A disproportionately large number of calls from alarm companies are false alarms that you pay to be checked out and the ones that aren't often don't get police there in time to make a difference but you pay for those as well. This takes resources away from often overworked and underfunded police forces. A good book that talks about this and many others is "Free Lunch" by David Cay Johnston

    2. Re:As usual, the field is already tilted by pongo000 · · Score: 1

      Over time I *would* eventually recoup the costs of DIY. But it would take years to break even. And I have no idea how long it would take for the insurance amortizers to figure out the costs of vigilant DIY alarmers vs. happy outsourcers. I can't even hazard a guess which direction those splits would trend towards.

      I spent just over $400 for a DIY (a Honeywell Vista 20P, from http://www.safemart.com/ used most of the existing sensors) to replace the piece of crap ADT system I had. Monitoring with a full-time CS is $9. My savings per month over ADT was about $31. Time to recoup expenses? A bit more than a year.

      Double-check those figures. I think State Farm may have hoodwinked you. You can get professional monitoring with a DIY install, and even without the discount, you'll probably be ahead of the game.

  26. Use the hardline (apologies to the Matrix) by surfingmarmot · · Score: 1

    When it comes to security, the more physical the better. Wireless might seem a attractive on cost and convenience but reliability and vulnerability increase substantially. Again on that theme, the more complex a system, the more that can go wrong. It is all a matter of personal acceptance of a level of risk, but I'll stick with hardwired systems on a UPS and two good-sized dogs which gets me and my family to a comfortable sleeping level. that and Mister 12-gauge full of #00 buckshot and slugs. Your mileage may vary.

  27. Why bother by plopez · · Score: 1

    A gaggle of geese are more reliable. Or a couple of rotweilers. Hell, I'd trust a pack of dachshunds before I'd trust anything wireless, remote, electrical, requiring batteries or software driven. Even more so if it is a MS product.

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    1. Re:Why bother by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful


      At the very least, an electronic system won't shit on your carpet.

  28. The only thing I need. by mnslinky · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sharks.

    With Lasers.

    'Nuff Said.

    1. Re:The only thing I need. by TimSSG · · Score: 1

      I agree an mote with Laser armed sharks are the way to go. Tim S PS: The Troll under the drawbridge costs extra.

    2. Re:The only thing I need. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but digging the moat takes forever and have you priced out the extra cost of stabilizing the adjacent foundation and the necessary flood insurance?? It's expensive to put together a good lair! Sometimes you can save a little on henchmen costs, such as cutting back on the training, but usually that comes back to haunt you when they can't hit the broad side of a barn. Sharks with lasers sounds like the obvious solution, but, really, a pack of mean and hungry hounds or land mines are much cheaper and more likely to fatally surprise the would-be intruder.

      Sharks with lasers might get your setup on the cover of "Good Lairkeeping", but they're terribly impractical.

  29. Security of the security by apankrat · · Score: 1

    Given a fiasco after a fiasco trying to secure regular WiFi connections, what are the chances that wireless window sensors are anywhere close to being secure ? It's interesting because unlike wired sensors, connections of these ones can be accessed from the outside.

    As a side note - I looked at using wireless cards to control the access to the front door and ultimately decided against it. The only cards that cannot be cloned with trivial snooping are those that can do proper challenge-response or private/public key authentication. There are NO such cards available at home security market (lots of snake oil stuff though, LOTS). One has to look at the financial services segments (traditional wireless smartcards), but the hardware hardware (even of the eval kits) is prohibitive.

    All in all, your DIY security solution will most likely to end up being of the 'security through obscurity' variety. Caveat emptor.

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  30. A few thoughts on RF alarm systems... by Helix150 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Much of this discussion has been about the jammability of RF-based alarm systems.

    I've done it (testing my own system). It's NOT hard.

    All the wireless sensors have a lithium battery that lasts for a few years. The sensors do NOT transmit continually- that would run down the battery in a matter of hours not years.

    Each time they transmit anything, it's in the form of a data packet including headers, the transmitter's unique ID, battery status, what it wants to report (open/closed/etc) and a few checksum bits. Furthermore all the wireless sensors (generally) use the same channel in the 433MHz range. To avoid stepping on each other, each packet is transmitted a few times separated by a pseudorandom delay. The sensors also transmit a 'tamper' signal if the sensor casing is opened or ripped off the wall, and a periodic 'superivision' message once every hour or so to let the system know they're still alive.

    Whenever you open or close a door connected to a wireless sensor, it transmits a burst updating its status. If it transmits an 'open' signal when the alarm is armed, the alarm goes off. If the alarm doesn't hear a supervision packet from a sensor for more than an hour or two, it signals a trouble condition.

    Most importantly- the transmission is ONE WAY- the sensors don't have receivers. The sensor doesn't wait for an acknowledgment from the alarm that its packet was received-- it sends its packet a few times and then considers it sent.

    Since many devices (including non-alarm stuff like wireless thermometers and other brands of alarm gear) use the 433MHz range the alarm uses, wireless alarms are designed to tolerate SOME interference on the channels the alarm uses.

    By SOME i mean less than 60 seconds of continual interference (as per UL standards for wireless alarm systems).
    So any jamming you want to do only has to 1. cover the data packet and 2. last for less than 60 seconds at a time. As you can imagine this isn't too hard if you can switch your jammer on/off easily and have a good idea of where the sensors are.

    So to break into a building equipped with a wireless alarm:
    1. figure out type of alarm and buy portable jammer for alarm's frequency (cheap)
    2. guess where the sensors are
    3. key the jammer when you are about to trip a sensor. When you do, quickly tear it off the wall / smash it.
    4. steal stuff
    5. be out in less than an hour so the alarm doesn't miss any supervision packets. And if it does miss one chances are it'll create a 'trouble' alarm not a 'burglar' alarm; no cops will be called.

    Any security system can be beaten- there is no such thing as perfect security. Wireless sensors can be jammed. Magnetic contacts can often be fooled with bigger magnets. Motion sensors can be beaten by holding up bed sheets (as per Mythbusters test).

    However if a burglar is crafty enough to jam an RF alarm or fake out magnetic contacts, chances are they are pretty smart and there isn't much you can do to keep them out. Most break ins are dumb criminals doing smash n grab jobs, the alarm is there to blast a 120dB siren in their face and hopefully freak them out enough that they run away.

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    --IronHelix
    1. Re:A few thoughts on RF alarm systems... by jimicus · · Score: 1

      Most break ins are dumb criminals doing smash n grab jobs, the alarm is there to blast a 120dB siren in their face and hopefully freak them out enough that they run away.

      As much as anything else, the alarm is there so they go next door instead ;)

    2. Re:A few thoughts on RF alarm systems... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Most importantly- the transmission is ONE WAY- the sensors don't have receivers.

      Ingrid sensors have receivers.

  31. Wow, most comments useless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I was hoping for, at least, some open source motion capture for webcam stuff to be listed here.

    My mistake. Everyone seems to be so hung up on the theory, hardware kits and etc, that they don't actually consider what might be useful.

    Myself - my DIY home webcam with motion capture software (and I don't remember where I got it or what it's called since I just scavenged what was useful for it's source) saved me at least 3k when my landlady decided to take a shopping trip inside my apartment. I got great pictures shot offsite that I was able to present to a judge. THAT's useful.

    Can anyone actually list useful opensource software motion cap stuff here - since it's what I'd use (again) if I would have to reconstruct my internal motion sensitive capture and offsite squirt software? :P

    1. Re:Wow, most comments useless... by LanMan04 · · Score: 1
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  32. If Brad can do it, you can too! (Sort of.) by VxJasonxV · · Score: 1

    A quick in-page skim and search does not appear to show anyone else having already said this:

    It'd be interesting to see if Brad (yes, of LiveJournal fame) does something like this, given (1) what he's already done and (2) what he's mentioned he'd like to do.

    He's already rolled his own automatic/wireless garage door opener;
    Short overview with some detail in part 1: http://brad.livejournal.com/2394220.html
    More details in part 2: http://brad.livejournal.com/2394707.html

    Also in Part 1 you'll see that it was suggested that he put his multitude of in-home access points to use, and use it to let his Android determine where he is in his house, and wire up some other basic utilities to use this data.

    If he gives every light switch an IP address, then the room can light up as soon as he goes to enter it.

    That would be nothing short of amazing. He would never have to raise his arm to flick the switch ever again!

    And when he wants to be social, he can just broadcast his EXACT position. It'll be like Britekite on Steroids! :P

  33. Easy, Cheap and Low-Tech by bschorr · · Score: 2, Funny

    Go to Sears and buy a couple of pairs of mens work boots in the biggest size you can find. Put them on the front porch. Tack a note on the front door that reads: "Bubba - Junior and I went to get more ammunition. You and Lefty stay away from them dogs; they ain't been fed yet and you remember what happened last time."

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  34. Arugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've decided that if we ever do it, I'd get a system and focus on ground floor perimeter -- glass break sensors and door open sensors. It sounds like the vast (vast!) majority of false alarms are related to motion detection. I've got 3 cats and a dog, even though there /are/ animal-ok detection tools, they can still set them off if they go over a certain height or anything else the simple (these aren't driven by 3ghz procs) rules define. Think before you buy, and if you can't, get a professional.

  35. wireless is nice by narced · · Score: 1

    I installed an Elk M1 Gold in my house about 2 years ago. http://www.elkproducts.com/products/m1/m1systems.htm Wireless sensors have a couple of huge advantages over wired sensors. To start with, I have had the drywall hangers cut wires while wrapping windows. Then what do you do? Also with wireless sensors you don't have small rodents chewing through the wires. You can put sensors in outbuildings and garages as well. I've got them everywhere. The battery life on the sensors is great; roughly 5 to 8 years.

    1. Re:wireless is nice by narced · · Score: 1

      I forgot to add you can set the elk up to call your cell phone when the alarm goes off, and you can tie it into the smoke system as well. Now I know that when I get home my house hasn't burned down (we live in the woods, in what is considered Extreme Fire Danger).

  36. Old and Tested by pi_rules · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'll stick with the dog + firearm approach.

    The dog, at 2 years old, is better than any electronic sensor out there. I live in the country, not ultra-remote but far enough away from me neighbors that I couldn't hit their house with a thrown baseball, but he still alerts on things like the meter reader being next door.

    I have no idea how he does it, but he'll go ape and 5 minutes later there's a meter reader in my yard.

    Criminals aren't generally very smart, but as a rule they tend to pick the easier targets. Stickers on the windows identifying home security systems are just a notice that they need to grab and go. An 80lb. dog staring at them through the window is a signal that maybe the neighbor's place is a better target.

    I suppose I could invest in some cameras, but I'm not really too concerned with catching a burglar, just deterring them. If I'm not home and they go into Full Retard mode and decide they want to wrestle with my dog then have at it.

    If I am home the dog lets me know when we have possible "visitors" far quicker than any electronics would. I can't put motion sensors in my neighbor's driveway, but the dog picks up on that stuff. I work from home about 80% of the time and it happens almost daily. He sees something like the school bus stop out in front of the house, barks, runs over to me and starts nuzzling me. I look at what he's seeing, pet him, and sometimes hand him a treat.

    If it's an unknown person in my driveway I slip a gun onto my belt (if I'm not already wearing one) and I'm usually at the door before they even have a chance to ring the bell. Sure, it isn't typical, but I shoot as a hobby and I'm comfortable keeping loaded firearms handy.

    Security has to be multi-layered. We all know that as computer geeks. The best technology in the world can be defeated through social engineering. "Fancy" wireless security systems can be defeated with RF interference. Heck, you might just forget the turn the darned thing on one night.

    A dog? You can't really turn that thing off. You'd have to work to train that territorial protection mechanism out of them. That's my alarm system.

    Once the alarm goes off, what do you do? Well, you need to identify the threat and deal with it. Manually calling 911 on a cell phone is a good thing to do, as you can describe the nature of the situation far better than any home-brewed security system can.

    Beyond that we've got dealing with the actual threat itself, and nothing's better than an old reliable firearm. Personally I keep a Remington 870 Wingmaster w/ an 18.5" Mossberg manufactured cylinder bore barrel topped with rifle sights and 4 rounds of Federal reduced recoil 00 Buck handy at night. During the day I've usually got a S&W 1911SC, Glock 23C, or CZ-RAMI in .40S&W on my belt or a Kel-Tec P3AT nearby if I'm not actually wearing a "real" gun but want something I can clip to my pants in the event of an unexpected visitor at my door.

    When it comes to keeping me and mine safe and secure I believe simpler is better and like to stick with older technology. While you're farting around with RF systems and sensors I'll be over here feeding my dog peanut butter flavored treats wen he does his job.

    Oh, and for the record my dog is a pet first and foremost. He's here for companionship. Sure, he costs more than an alarm system, but he's worth it. The fact that he's such great asset in security is a side benefit. If there ever comes a day where he's too old to care about that stuff we'll just get another and let this one continue to be a pet.

    1. Re:Old and Tested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you actually feel the need to arm yourself whenever there is an unexpected visitor at your door?

    2. Re:Old and Tested by mk2mark · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Dogs are great, I agree. We have a boxer that looks tough, and is extremely curious - meaning that a) she's aware of everything around the house, and b) even though she might only lick you to death, a boxer itching to come and see you can be an especially daunting prospect, particularly if you're aware that your goal involves getting past said dog.

      However, I really don't get the gun thing. I'm not anti-guns (we have 3 in the house), but the idea that one will somehow protect you is nonsense. For the 2 parties (you and your burglar) involved there are 4 possibilities, neither party armed, you armed, him armed, both parties armed.

      Where you are armed and he is not, sure you have the advantage. But generally unarmed burglars aren't confrontational, and you have your dog anyway (which also covers you for the neither party armed scenario).

      So basically it's fair to say when you have your gun, it's protection against an armed assailant.

      By their nature armed assailants will be confrontational (why would they risk bringing the gun otherwise?) So you're basically facing a shootout. Your fancy tuned gun with special ammo sounds lovely, but unfortunately your burglar isn't going to be taking time to examine your superior firearm, so despite it your still relying on getting the first shot off, and hoping your nice equipment does its job.

      Finally you have the situation where he's armed and you're not. You stick your hands up and hope he doesn't shoot. But when you think about this, why would he shoot? He wants your VCR not the risk of a second degree murder conviction (although speculatively he might be persuaded if he's caught you off guard and spots your wingmaster hanging out of your belt).

      Basically, (by this reasoning at least) the only thing your gun does is increase the chance of a shootout. And even if you're successful, your vcr is safe, you've showed that guy that broke in, but you've also killed someone, and I'm not sure whether the consequences of that are worth your VCR.

    3. Re:Old and Tested by Sol_Web_Dude · · Score: 1

      Even better: Redundancy!

      We have 2 dogs inside and one outside during the day.

      People pull in our drive and won't even get out of the car sometimes when they see the "Beware of Dog" signs and hear / see our German Shepards.

    4. Re:Old and Tested by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      I'll point out that 'social engineering' takes on a whole new meaning with guard dogs; nice big thick juicy steaks come to mind.

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    5. Re:Old and Tested by grassy_knoll · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The flaw in your reasoning is the presumption that an intruder is only there for your stuff.

      Most break-ins are junkies looking for something to pawn for drug money. Just someone home tends to deter them.

      However, those that see someone home and continue to break in seem far more dangerous. That indicates a willingness to use force against anyone home... rather different than just a smash and grab. Perhaps you're the wrong color, and they've decided you need a beat down or your head cracked open. Maybe you're a woman... any why not have a little fun?

      Armed people trying to break in moves from "burglary" to "home invasion". That implies a much different motivation than your stuff.

      In any event, at best an armed homeowner has one more method to deter a burglary. At worst, an armed homeowner has the means to defend themselves from death or grievous bodily harm.

    6. Re:Old and Tested by YoungHack · · Score: 1

      Finally you have the situation where he's armed and you're not. You stick your hands up and hope he doesn't shoot. But when you think about this, why would he shoot?

      You seem to be assuming that this was an attempted burglary (i.e. criminal didn't know you'd be home). When you think about it, why wouldn't he shoot? He's already used force to enter an occupied domicile, so the threat of force is there. And dead people don't pick you out of a lineup.

      I'm not a person who carries a gun, although I have no beef with people who do. Carry isn't legal where I work, though I suppose I could at home. But I don't call into question that a home invasion when people are at home is more than a little "business transaction" where the bad guy just wants your DVD player. It is an implicit threat of violence, and if a person wants to be ready to respond it kind I support that.

      It seems to me that if neither are armed, it's bad for the honest person. If the bad guy is armed, it's bad for the honest person. If the good guy is armed, it's good for the honest person. If both are armed, it's a toss-up.

      Better yet: the uncertainty that a bad guy has about victims being armed is a net positive because threat of imminent death is a deterrent.

    7. Re:Old and Tested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kinda says something about the paranoid society we live in now, doesn't it?

    8. Re:Old and Tested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this modded as insightful? It's stupid. NOT being armed automatically puts your life in the hands of a criminal. If you haven't noticed, there are more than a few running around that have no qualms with torturing and/or killing the occupants of the homes that they invade. Any armed criminal busting into your home is going in with the intent to kill you (it's been the case ever since Exodus 22 was written!). Throwing up your hands and surrendering just makes you a sheep going willingly to slaughter.

    9. Re:Old and Tested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot one: He's armed, you're not. He uses that power to rape your wife or daughter while you're bleeding on the floor.

      I'll take the gun, thank you.

    10. Re:Old and Tested by Sourcehack · · Score: 1

      I agree with some of your analysis, but not your tactical approach.

      In a nut shell you are saying don't defend yourself or your home/property because it's not worth it. Just hope the person breaking in only wants that VCR and does not decide to line your family up on its knees in a nice line and start executing them 1 by 1 just because they can.

      In the end each person makes a choice on how they will live; to either be a submissive victim and hope for the best when confronted or to not be, it's a personal choice and each group seems to have their own arguments for and against.

    11. Re:Old and Tested by ChrisA90278 · · Score: 1

      You are 100% right. In the case where you are armed and the other guy is not, if yo use the gun you are going to jail. If he is armed and you are not, your best best is to run out the back door. If you both are armed in almost every case he will shoot first. Work out the numbers, runing out the back door with a cell phone is always the best option.

      If you REALLY DO live in a place where you need both a dog and a gun. I'd say "move". Why stay in a place the has armed thugs roaming the streets?

      If I'm an armed thug and know you have a gun and a dog and a really, really want in. my best plan would be to bring two buddies with me. Step one: cut the phone line and jam the cellphones. Step two: Shoot the dog through the window. Step three: bust in through three doors all at once and shot anything that moves without warning.

    12. Re:Old and Tested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the gun is mostly for my wife. she is home alone in the evening before I get home from work, and it gets quite dark here. i'd hate to think of someone being in our house with her not having a means of defending herself.

    13. Re:Old and Tested by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      WRONG.

      If the other guy is not armed, and you are, and he's in your house, you can shoot him at will in many states. The fact that he came in the house is evidence of violent intent. Many states now have "Castle laws" (aka "stand your ground") which make you immune from prosecution as long as you believed your life was in danger, even if it was possible to escape the scene.

      Of course, to avoid any trouble, it's best to shoot the intruder in the front, and not the back, as that could get you into some murky legal waters. If he's facing you, standing in your house, feel free to shoot him in the head.

      You idea about breaking into a house is pretty stupid, BTW. Most burglars don't have access to cellphone-jamming equipment. Shooting the dog will alert the homeowner to your presence, and then as soon as you enter, you're going to be filled with buckshot. Don't forget you don't know the layout of the house, and the person inside does. One of your buddies may kill the homeowner(s), but at least one of you is probably going to die. Criminals are, by nature, cowards. They're not going to play odds like that. They don't knowingly tangle with targets who are very likely to kill them; there's too many other easy victims out there. Criminals are also typically quite stupid. While home invasions here in Phoenix are a daily occurrence, and are usually successful because most citizens are such easy victims who won't arm themselves, they certainly aren't carried out with the kind of planning and precision you describe, except when they're done by the Mexican Army (yes, we've had members of the Mexican Army invade houses here in Phoenix).

    14. Re:Old and Tested by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      As for living in places with armed thugs, most large American cities are like this now, in case you haven't noticed. Don't you read the news? Other places aren't safe, either.

      While I'd be happy to move someplace rural, so I don't have to worry so much about crime (or cost of living), and plan to do so eventually, I also have to have something called a job, and those are typically found in urban areas. No, I'm really not willing to trade my engineering salary to be a farm hand, sorry.

    15. Re:Old and Tested by Opr33Opr33 · · Score: 0

      However, I really don't get the gun thing. I'm not anti-guns (we have 3 in the house), but the idea that one will somehow protect you is nonsense. For the 2 parties (you and your burglar) involved there are 4 possibilities, neither party armed, you armed, him armed, both parties armed.

      You left out an option, a elderly coworker of mine confronted a criminal in his house who was armed with a knife. He had called 911, grabbed a gun, and positioned himself to guard his elderly wife. The criminal attacked this armed man with a knife. The homeowner suffered a minor laceration. The criminal died instantly from lead poisoning. Having the gun as a last resort (which is obvious considering he was injured by the suspect) kept him and his wife from being killed by some junkie trying to finance his next hit.

      While I'm not big on everybody carrying a gun; having a gun available in your home at least offers an option while you wait for the police to arrive which may be 4 minutes or may be 14 minutes.

      I do recommend becoming familiar with the gun before relying on it for self defense.

    16. Re:Old and Tested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your missing one thing. People that own guns for "protection" want to get into a shootout. Well, they don't specifically want to get into a shootout, they just want to shoot someone. Why would you spend your life going to the gun range, getting the gun magazines (both types), upgrading your firearms to the latest and the greatest? Sure if it were rifles and you were a hunter that makes sense, but hand guns and semi/automatic weapons? The scary thing about that type of person is they are looking for the opportunity to shoot someone. They aren't looking to keep themselves protected they are looking for the chance to let someone have it. I don't own a gun, but I respect the right. It's just been my experience that the gun nuts just want to kill people and they are ALWAYS looking for that opportunity, including leaving the door unlocked just begging for someone to walk through the door.

    17. Re:Old and Tested by HopeOS · · Score: 1

      For what it's worth, the statistics that I read when getting my CCW indicate that in most armed confrontations, 9 out of 10 times, only one shot is fired, by either side. The flash and noise, particularly if in close-quarters, is generally enough to render everyone shell-shocked. This was based on an FBI study involving actual agents in the field. My memory could be spotty, but if anyone cares, it's probably a google search away.

      One thing I would not want to rely on is a criminal's ability to rationalize not killing me if he has already brought a gun with him. Under this circumstance, rationally, if any shots are to be fired, they had best come from my gun. And for liability reasons, if I am put in a position where I have to fire my gun in my house, he had best be obliged to stop that bullet before it continues onward. I'll do my part by staying in practice and keeping HydraShock chambered and in the magazine.

      Sound nutty? I don't care what of my possessions you take from my house. Everything's insured, the data is backed up to multiple locations daily. My family however, is irreplaceable, and I will take any threats to their safety all the way to wall, every time.

      -Hope

    18. Re:Old and Tested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you both are armed in almost every case he will shoot first.

      You should check this assumption. Case studies suggest otherwise.

      Specifically, someone intent on using a gun to kill someone will have the gun drawn and ready to fire when they encounter their target. If that's you, and you are unprepared, then it does not matter if you are armed or not. What you are describing is a hit, not a robbery.

      Thieves generally do not wish to be caught at all, and statistically speaking, they flee when caught.

      -Hope

    19. Re:Old and Tested by pi_rules · · Score: 1

      I never said I needed to be armed, just that I arm myself. There is a difference.

      I could answer the door without wearing pants, I suppose, but that just wouldn't make any sense.

      I enjoy shooting firearms, and I've got a lot of them. While I hope I never have to use one in defense of an innocent life it'd be rather silly for me not to keep one handy in the rare chance I need it.

    20. Re:Old and Tested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People that own guns for "protection" want to get into a shootout.

      That makes about as much sense as asserting that those who take a defensive driving course just want to get into a car chase.

      It's just been my experience that the gun nuts just want to kill people and they are ALWAYS looking for that opportunity, including leaving the door unlocked just begging for someone to walk through the door.

      Sure there are people like this, but I believe it's not as common as you claim. I've known plenty of gun owners who are nothing like this, even those who would practice frequently. I suggest seeking out better acquaintances.

      - T

    21. Re:Old and Tested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have to keep in mind the distinction between Burglary and Home Invasion.

      If an unarmed burglar comes to your house to take your stuff, he'll do it in the daytime, when you're not home. Anyone who breaks into your house in the middle of the night knows that you're there and wants to do bad things to you.

      So, unless you work from home (and the burglar isn't competent enough to stake out your house), you won't likely face the "I'm armed, he isn't" scenario. So all that's left to decide is whether you want to be on equal footing with your attacker. I know what I'd want.

    22. Re:Old and Tested by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      >A dog? You can't really turn that thing off. You'd have to work to train that territorial protection mechanism out of them.

      Watch mythbusters or that "break into my home" show. A dog is easily defeated with a nice cut of steak. If youre not home sitting there with your pistol in your pants then anyone can get into your home with a little meat. Id rather have the non-hungry electronic system.

    23. Re:Old and Tested by pi_rules · · Score: 1

      However, I really don't get the gun thing. I'm not anti-guns (we have 3 in the house), but the idea that one will somehow protect you is nonsense.

      Of course the idea is nonsense. A gun is simply a tool. It won't do anything until I manipulate the controls. It won't protect me, but it is something I can use if need be in my protection.

      You're on Slashdot so you probably have a comfort level with computers that confounds most people. Heck, might even be a *nix geek. You know those little tools like sed/awk/grep/ls/df etc that you use on a regular basis? Probably freaks most people out that watch you fly over a keyboard. I do that stuff too... and then I go play with firearms after work. Folks look at us and think, "zomg! extreme computer user!" and you look at me and think "zomg! extreme gun user!" Do you see the parallel? They're just tools. We use them when needed. When you finally learn all about them the mystery is gone and they become boring. Come to think of it I really wish I had a "df" for my ammo storage.

      Your scenarios are all manner of messed up, too.

      It's perfectly acceptable to presume that somebody illegally entering my home is a threat to my life and the lives of my family. It's codified in Michigan law that I'm permitted to make that assumption. Legally speaking that simple act of unlawful entry is a non-verbal way of the attacker telling me that he intends to kill me. It's not my problem if they're not aware of this, and if you honestly don't think a home invader understands that their activities may result in them getting shot at, well, I simply don't know what to say.

      He's entered my home with the understanding that gunplay or other lethal force may ensue. No man is ever completely unarmed. He may not have a firearm, but he's got fists and feet, maybe a brick. I have no intention of trying to engage in a "fair" fight with somebody that's already shown complete disregard for the safety of me and mine. Callous? Perhaps, but I'm not the one illegally entering homes.

      Consequently, there is only ONE scenario when a home invasion is begun: The attacker and myself are both armed. I will be armed as a matter of practice and he should assume likewise. The scenario does not change until the attacker gives the victim good reason to believe that he is unarmed. Running away would be the preferred one.

      At no point in time do the scales tip in my favor by being unarmed. Never. The only time a victim shouldn't bring a gun into play is when they're not willing to use it, as that may lead to them being unarmed by the attacker and now we've got the worst situation possible: Unarmed victim and armed attacker. This is not a scenario I entertain ever happening to me.

      Your fancy tuned gun with special ammo sounds lovely,

      It's actually a $200 beater shotgun with a $90 barrel added on. The ammo is pretty regular type stuff. I just post that kinda info to prevent other gun guys asking me what configuration I keep it in. Keeps the chatter down. However, it does show that you aren't very familiar with common home defense weapons, what with not being able to identify it. Like when you wrote:

      although speculatively he might be persuaded if he's caught you off guard and spots your wingmaster hanging out of your belt)

      Ever seen somebody try and hang a 40" long shotgun off their belt? It doesn't work too well.

      You posted your 4 "what if" scenarios so let me run by you my 1 "what if" scenario.

      Dog picks up on an intruder. He sleeps in our bedroom, so I'm going to hear him. I grab the shotgun and take up a stance outside my bedroom door, rack one round into the chamber and shove another shell into the magazine tube. From there I'm facing 3 of the 4 entrances to my house, ignoring windows. The longest shot distance is 14 yards and I know my load patterns 9 pellets within 8" at 15 yards. The fourth entrance is 90 degr

    24. Re:Old and Tested by mk2mark · · Score: 1

      What you're basically saying here is because you know more about guns and thought about more scenarios here than I have, that somehow gives your standpoint more weight.

      There's pretty much an infinite amount of ways any break-in could play out, so your opinion vs. mine is basically the difference between a minute fraction of scenarios covered, and a slightly less minute fraction. The only difference seems to be is that I realise that if something like this were to happen that I won't always predict what will happen or be able to always control the situation.

      My 4 what if's are not so much what if's, rather than vague scenarios to illustrate a point. You however in yours are saying "This is how it would happen and this is what I would do". The problem with that is if 1 small thing in your prediction changes, the whole situation changes and your course of actions is invalid. Except you're still relying on them, and instead of saving your life they get you killed. Eg. what if the noise you hear is not your dog waking up, but some guy standing over you with a gun watching you reaching for something to try and kill him with. What if they've cut the lights and you can't see your entrances. What if there's more than one of them? What if they decide to use the windows?

      Assumption is the mother of all f-ups as they say. When you assume something like this, it most likely will not go the way you have assumed. When you assume with a gun in your hand, you're escalating the risk because your assailant(s) now have to fear for their lives.

  37. Prior Art by gooman · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Oh no Grommit, it's the wrong trousers!"

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  38. My highly effective DIY security setup: by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One dog.
    Seriously, if a burglar sees or hears a dog, he'll move on to other houses until he finds one without a dog. If you have secret plans and chests filled with treasure, and everyone in town knows about it, maybe you need something more sophisticated, but a canine deterrent system is more than effective for the average home. And an alarm system won't wag its tail or lick your face when you come home from work. Or, go whole-hog and get four dogs, and a monkey that can dial a phone.

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  39. Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Browning 12ga Auto. Don't break in my house if you want to live.

  40. Homeland? by mapinguari · · Score: 1

    Did anyone else misread that as D.I.Y. Homeland Security?

    1. Re:Homeland? by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      DIY Homeland Security is easy. Just randomly cancel flights you want to take, record your own phone calls and put them on the internet and occasionally use a lubed up rubber glove on yourself.

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  41. One way to defeat the open/close window sensor by puddles · · Score: 1

    Tell me if I'm wrong, but from the picture demonstrating the open/close sensor installed on the window, it ought to be possible to break the glass and grab both pieces together keeping their proximity thus avoiding the transmission of "window open" signal (which I guess is caused by the two pieces becoming unaligned). It should then be possible to finish breaking the rest of the window to gain access that way.

  42. X10 Software, Anyone? by theodp · · Score: 1

    Here's a link to code for the X10 CM17A Computer Interface and MR26A RF Receiver used in many home automation systems that not only detects jamming/scanning, but also generates fake motion to thwart sophisticated intruders who might use the absence of wireless traffic as a cue that no one is home.

    1. Re:X10 Software, Anyone? by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      Do intruders really check the wireless traffic before breaking into a house?

      That's just absurd, these systems are no match for a brick through the window.

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  43. I made my own.... by thrill12 · · Score: 1

    ...based on a normal/cheap alarm system with RF sensors.
    I attached the alarm-device to my NSLU2 (via a simple level shifter print through RS232), and made a program that simply shows when doors are opened/closed.
    This "silent" alarm pretty much allows me to build any additional security on top, such as auto-emailing / text messaging etc.
    I am quite happy with it.

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  44. RFID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Add RFID tags to certain points and when the TagLost method is called (due to opening window / door) do something. Phidget readers are dirt cheap..

  45. WTF ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful


    If it's an unknown person in my driveway I slip a gun onto my belt

    Christ, where the fuck do you live. Bagdhad or The Congo?
    FWIW, I live in a rural area and have a shotgun for vermin and bagging the odd rabbit. You my friend, have issues.

    Besides, an electronic security system won't shit on the carpet :-)

    1. Re:WTF ! by pongo000 · · Score: 1
      FWIW, I live in a rural area and have a shotgun for vermin and bagging the odd rabbit. You my friend, have issues.

      As the saying goes, the police are only minutes away when seconds count. I'm sure you won't hesitate to pull your shotgun when the seconds are ticking away, if you can find it in time.

    2. Re:WTF ! by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I live in a large city (Phoenix), and I do mostly the same thing, except I don't have a large dog. Violent home invasions are a daily occurrence here, and crime is skyrocketing.

      Personally, I think a small dog is better. They don't scare people, they don't go crazy and kill innocent children (like pit bulls frequently do), and they don't eat nearly as much food. However, they can be just as good at alerting you to danger. Then, you just use the gun to remove the threat. Plus, small dogs frequently get along well with cats. I've found chihuahuas can make excellent alert dogs, and simultaneously help keep the cats from getting too fat. The key is finding a dog that's smart enough to bark when there's possible trouble, but doesn't bark for no good reason. Many people, for some weird reason, like to keep dogs that just bark their heads off at all hours, which isn't useful at all.

    3. Re:WTF ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depending on your definition of vermin, there might be more people with issues here :)

  46. Easy..... by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 1

    D.Y.I Home Security:

    A 12 gauge semi-auto and a case of 00 buck.

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  47. D.I.Y. Home Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    It's so easy. Just need five colored lights.
    Turn on the yellow one and be afraid. Turn on orange, and get even more scared. Etc.

    Not D.I.Y. Homeland Security? Oh, sorry.

  48. Rental and security by zakezuke · · Score: 1

    I lived in a rental last year where the owners were in England and the rental company was freaking clueless. The security system was cryptic and difficult to figure out, and no one bothered to tell me the arming code. Well there was a power outage and the system got reset, so the sucker kept on making noise at the wrong times.

    This is one of those things that is the owner's responsibility without a doubt but the rental company was just clueless. I tried to take it upon my self to actually hire someone to fix the stupid thing but I couldn't find a company willing to address it since well, I wasn't the owner.

    I ended up just removing all the magnets from the doors and windows, so there was in effect a fully armed security system but nothing triggered it. Alternatively I could have just put a magnet near the sensors and that would have had the same effect.

    I have some ideas for home security that would employ both LED and magnetic door and window sensors, as it seems magnetic sensors alone can be defeated too easily.

    The most frustrating thing was, I'm sure I could have waited until midnight and cut the breakers to reset the system, but there clearly was a battery backup somewhere, and the system got mucked up when the power was out in excess of a week.

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  49. The best defense? by Lost+Penguin · · Score: 1

    Claymore FTW.

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  50. Cool but... by FatSean · · Score: 1

    I think I'll opt for the insurance policy. Way easier and less labor intensive.

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    1. Re:Cool but... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "I think I'll opt for the insurance policy. Way easier and less labor intensive."

      I'll second that.

      I've got renters insurance...replacement, and have had to use it once.

      I came out WAY ahead with all brand new replacement stuff.

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  51. Honeywell/Ademco Lynx by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    I installed one of these in my home after a burglary attempt (failed) in the Spring. It cost under $500 and took me about 2 hours to install and program. I buy monitoring for less than $10/mo from a company that specializes in DIY alarm monitoring. I couldn't be happier.

  52. police wont respond to these by peter303 · · Score: 0, Troll

    Unless the homeowner calls directly. There is just too little qC in DIY systems.

  53. ADT, cellular problems, brand awareness by Scot+Seese · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What this article does not address is the actual cost of having an alarm system, crime prevention statistics and technical problems associated with different systems.

      Truthfully, most professionally installed, professionally monitored alarm systems end up being almost free. Free, as in speech, or beer. Most insurance companies will give you discounts on your homeowners policy if you present a certificate from a national brand monitored alarm service. This discount can end up being as high as $30-40/mo., which essentially pays for the monitoring fees charged by your alarm company. Toss in free installation specials (or $99 installation, which ADT runs frequently) and the cost is tough to beat.

      I've seen statistics that show that having the large yard signs from a recognizable, national brand monitored alarm service will roughly reduce the likelihood of a break in at your residence by 80%. Most robbers are poor & dumb. They want to cut a window screen at the back of your house, slip in, smash, grab & ransack through your house for 5 minutes looking for firearms, cash & jewelry and GTFO. That monitored alarm gives them a pretty good chance of egressing just as Johnny Law pulls up, they know it, and they'll pass by your house without trying.

      There are drawbacks. We use Vonage for our primary phone service at our house. ADT will not install on Vonage, as they claim it's unreliable and incompatible with some of the signals they send to the monitoring service, so they like to put a module in the basement with a digital cell phone card in it + battery backup. The problem we have been having is, about once a week, usually around 1-3 AM Monday or Tuesday mornings, the alarm panel starts screaming as though it's about to go off. Repeated calls to ADT tech support produced this finding: The cell companies "reboot" their towers roughly once a week, and the alarm module in the basement is seeing the loss of signal to the tower, it is assuming that tampering is taking place and is causing an immediate alarm - without any way of actually reaching the monitoring service. Will ADT send someone to the house to investigate a possible workaround? Yes, for a $200 truck roll fee + $100/hour labor. And we are prepaid two years ahead.

      Being a good American, I vigorously exercise my second amendment rights, and also own a bionically sensitive 3 year old lab-hound mix. My wife and I aren't concerned about evening break-ins. It's the daylight "house is empty, everyone at work" smash & grab that we worry about, particularly that they will hurt, kill or release our animals and generally just make a mess of things, leaving that charming sense of violation and insecurity behind. I'm sure most of the readers share this concern.

      My problem with homebrew DIY security systems is.. the DIY part. Hours and hours of time spent installing an alarm system that may not get the same quality response from the police as a human being at ADT's monitoring center (we've had 1 false alarm at our house, and I can vouch for the response time being very satisfactory.) ADT has spent millions of dollars on a quality program designed to reduce false alarms, and have blitzed the police with publicity trumpeting this fact - the goal being to impress upon them that ADT customers rarely have false alarms, when we call you, you had better get there quick.

      I'm not sure that user installed security systems are worth the installation time and lack of name recognition with the most important demographic - would be burglars.

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    1. Re:ADT, cellular problems, brand awareness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

        What this article does not address is the actual cost of having an alarm system, crime prevention statistics and technical problems associated with different systems.

        Truthfully, most professionally installed, professionally monitored alarm systems end up being almost free. Free, as in speech, or beer. Most insurance companies will give you discounts on your homeowners policy if you present a certificate from a national brand monitored alarm service. This discount can end up being as high as $30-40/mo., which essentially pays for the monitoring fees charged by your alarm company. Toss in free installation specials (or $99 installation, which ADT runs frequently) and the cost is tough to beat.

        I've seen statistics that show that having the large yard signs from a recognizable, national brand monitored alarm service will roughly reduce the likelihood of a break in at your residence by 80%. Most robbers are poor & dumb. They want to cut a window screen at the back of your house, slip in, smash, grab & ransack through your house for 5 minutes looking for firearms, cash & jewelry and GTFO. That monitored alarm gives them a pretty good chance of egressing just as Johnny Law pulls up, they know it, and they'll pass by your house without trying.

        There are drawbacks. We use Vonage for our primary phone service at our house. ADT will not install on Vonage, as they claim it's unreliable and incompatible with some of the signals they send to the monitoring service, so they like to put a module in the basement with a digital cell phone card in it + battery backup. The problem we have been having is, about once a week, usually around 1-3 AM Monday or Tuesday mornings, the alarm panel starts screaming as though it's about to go off. Repeated calls to ADT tech support produced this finding: The cell companies "reboot" their towers roughly once a week, and the alarm module in the basement is seeing the loss of signal to the tower, it is assuming that tampering is taking place and is causing an immediate alarm - without any way of actually reaching the monitoring service. Will ADT send someone to the house to investigate a possible workaround? Yes, for a $200 truck roll fee + $100/hour labor. And we are prepaid two years ahead.

        Being a good American, I vigorously exercise my second amendment rights, and also own a bionically sensitive 3 year old lab-hound mix. My wife and I aren't concerned about evening break-ins. It's the daylight "house is empty, everyone at work" smash & grab that we worry about, particularly that they will hurt, kill or release our animals and generally just make a mess of things, leaving that charming sense of violation and insecurity behind. I'm sure most of the readers share this concern.

        My problem with homebrew DIY security systems is.. the DIY part. Hours and hours of time spent installing an alarm system that may not get the same quality response from the police as a human being at ADT's monitoring center (we've had 1 false alarm at our house, and I can vouch for the response time being very satisfactory.) ADT has spent millions of dollars on a quality program designed to reduce false alarms, and have blitzed the police with publicity trumpeting this fact - the goal being to impress upon them that ADT customers rarely have false alarms, when we call you, you had better get there quick.

        I'm not sure that user installed security systems are worth the installation time and lack of name recognition with the most important demographic - would be burglars.

      or just buy a "Protected by ADT" lawnsign and do the DIY anyway. Low cost, name brand results! (TM)

  54. Garage Door Opener Hell by myspace-cn · · Score: 1

    The best home security is someone there 24/7.
    Barring that, a device called, "MEAN DOG."

    One thing I have done is to take the input circuit of the power supply to my garage door opener, and soldered in a new SCR transistor and the logic to receive a signal from a second IR transmitter. (note: you can find parts from a discarded garage door opener that maybe has something else burned up in it--it's how I got the parts.)

    This second transmitter has a 30 second delay (555 Timer Cough) and only stays on 20 seconds.

    Therefore, my garage door won't open by using a scanner, you have to first know the freq's for the POWER SUPPLY, then you need to know the freq to open the door and you have to do it 30 seconds after the first freq is received.

    final note: get the power supply receiver and timing working with a light bulb before you go live with it. Make sure you solder everything, and mount everything proper, this is a DANGEROUS device that can kill you if you fuck up.

    Anyway... it's kind of like port knocking.

    But not.

    1. Re:Garage Door Opener Hell by myspace-cn · · Score: 1

      Whoops I forgot one thing.

      When on vacation, the Garage Door POWER is unplugged. (Yes I have an outlet)

      Furthermore, I drilled two half inch holes and put METAL SPIKES on both sides of the door. (You can't Pull the door open cause there is no handles.)

      Something similar would work on metal doors I guess, but I dunno cause I don't have that kind, I have wood, and if someone's going to cut through wood to get in it's game over.

  55. Simple, but effective by Gim+Tom · · Score: 1

    The best Alarm system I ever built was in a small basement apartment back in the 1970's. Down a long dark hall leading to the bedroom I had a cassette recorder that was triggered to play by a simple IR beam break near the entrance. All that was on the tape that played was the sound of the hammers of a 12 gauge double barrel shotgun being cocked. -- A very distinctive sound...

  56. Dog is no guard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nahhh.... A bone keeps 'em quiet for longer.
    Though dogfood laced with antifreeze the day before will keep 'em quiet forever.

    A real bastard mixes ground glass in the dogfood instead. Thus, owners take dog to vet sh*tting blood and leave the house totally unguarded.

    1. Re:Dog is no guard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Though dogfood laced with antifreeze the day before will keep 'em quiet forever.

      They've put bittering agents in antifreeze now. Your age is showing. ;)

      A real bastard mixes ground glass in the dogfood instead. Thus, owners take dog to vet sh*tting blood and leave the house totally unguarded.

      Definitely still works.

      Of course, if I figure out who did it they'll disappear. My dog's life is worth more to me than the life of a stranger, especially one employing poison to commit theft.

    2. Re:Dog is no guard by avronius · · Score: 1

      Dogs can be (relatively) easily trained to not eat food without your permission. It does require diligence, but it does allow you to have them run loose in your house without worrying about them eating things that you haven't expressly given to them.

  57. Mixed is best by DesertBlade · · Score: 1

    Having wireless door/window sensors, but hardwiring the motion sensors and panel would probably give you the best mix of security. A 95+ lb Akita doesn't hurt either. The options in the article are really geared for the non-tech type of people. I was expecting something much cooler, than what I have already seen.

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  58. absolutely by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    guns are owned as a deterrent, but their effect is paradoxical: they attract that which is sought to be deterred

    situationally, you owning a gun increases your chance of getting shot, in a myriad of ways and how things play out differently when you have a gun nearby. your scenario above is but one of millions that play out towards more violence and bloodshed when you have a gun

    and plenty of times, that violence and bloodshed is visited on the criminal rather than the victim. but MOST times in how the entire universe of possibilities play out, more violence and bloodshed is visited on you, simply because you have a gun

    want to avoid being victimized? own a gun. want to avoid being shot? don't own a gun. please note that being a victim and being shot are two entirely different outcomes

    now, i'd rather lose my dvd player than my life, but i actually don't think that gun owners are somehow more stupid that they don't realize the logic at work with gun ownership

    instead, it's psychological: some people would rather risk death than live with the shame of being a victim. i think that if you did a psychological profile of your average enthusiastic gun owner, you would find in their history an event in which they were victimized and shamed and perhaps abused. pride asserts itself, and they vow never to be victimized like this again, even if they logically realize gun ownership increases their chance of death

    for some people in this world, pride is more important than life. but unfortunately, the rule of guns being in your proximity increasing your chance of being shot does not only apply to the gun owner, but also his neighbors. such that not only gun owners suffer for valuing their pride over their life. we all do

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    1. Re:absolutely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where did you get the idea that gun ownership increases the chance of death? I know several very old gun owners.

  59. Not Even Rural But... by VoxMagis · · Score: 1

    I am surrounded by farms between a city and a small town. I end up being covered by the local sheriffs dept, rather than either municipal police.

    Budget cuts in my county have scaled us back to about a dozen deputies for a LARGE county. The last time I had to call the sheriff, it was 45 minutes before we got a response.

    Now - if someone showed up shooting, they have the option to call the other police depts to ask them to come have a look. Note I said OPTION - they actually chose not to do that just a couple months ago for someone in the county because they 'felt it wasn't dangerous'.

    So... I have two large dogs. I have several weapons. The dogs have been more than enough deterrent for anyone thinking about approaching the house (btw, dogs work even BETTER when you have a window they can growl and bark and be seen, imo). If someone breaks in, I would have no problem beating them with a baseball bat until they left. I couldn't see myself intentionally ever killing someone over just 'property'. However, someone comes in and decides to hurt anyone, including my dogs, and all bets are off.

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  60. Review of LaserShield by justechn · · Score: 1

    About a year and a half ago I did a review of the LaserShield system. It worked really well, I could not even get in my own home without setting it off.

  61. the error in your logic by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Insightful

    is not giving value to and considering the range of different possible negative outcomes. there is not one outcome in all of scenarios, but different outcomes depending upon the existence of a gun or not in the hands of the victim

    the most obvious difference is being robbery victim versus being dead

    when you don't own a gun, your chance of being victimized goes skyhigh to almost certainty, absolutely. but also when you own a gun, your chance of being dead actually goes down appreciably

    in this calculus of possible outcomes is the difference between the entrenched difference in opinion of the perceived value gun ownership between gun owners versus gun nonowners

    certainly, there are sick fucks in this world who kill without reason, and would shoot an unarmed victim simply for the thrill, or a number of other sick reasons. these people are real. but they are also quite rare. your chance of meeting one of them in a confrontation is far smaller than meeting a garden variety armed thief who just wants your vcr. if you have a gun, you then enter into an ok corral scenario where your life is at risk that you would not have entered into had you not owned a gun

    a gun increases your ability to control confrontations, but it also escalates what is at stake in a confrontation. sometimes, it is just better to be a victim, to be powerless, to lose your vcr, than raise your chance of losing your life, simply for having a gun, just for the sake of a stupid vcr

    but its a psychological difference: i think a psychological profile of your average gun enthusiast would reveal issues with power, and the need to be certain they had the ultimate upper hand. this need to remain in power, viscerally, on matters of life or death, i think points to a history of vioent victimization or ongoing abuse in the psychological history of the average gun enthusiast. such that they vow never to be victimized again, because staying in power is more important to them than losing their life

    meanwhile, the average non gun owner simply wants to live, go ahead, have the damn vcr. they have no issues with losing power temporarily if it means they get to have a better chance at staying alive

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  62. Hank Dogs anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Poor little house in the country
    18 dogs and an M-16 for company
    Those cowboys coming over the horizon
    They'll be looking for some hospitality

    Come on in, boys, the door's wide open
    But I'm warning you my dogs are born to win
    and I'll take the greatest of pleasure
    In watching you be torn limb from limb

    There's rumors starting down in the village
    Them cowboys ain't been heard of since the day
    But if anybody comes 'round asking questions
    Well, I've got it worked out what I'm gonna say

    Come on in, boys, the door's wide open
    But I'm warning you my dogs are born to win
    and I'll take the greatest of pleasure
    In watching you be torn limb from limb

  63. the existence of such people is absolutely real by circletimessquare · · Score: 0

    call the possiblity of ecountering them rate x

    rate y would be the possibility of escalating a conflict with an intruder who does not have such sick intentions into the realm of deadly consequences, for the gun owner, as well as the criminal

    ignore the peril to the criminal's life, thats not material

    what is material is the threat to the gun owner's life. and rate y > rate x

    such that not owning a gun increases your chance of being victimized by a sick fuck, but decreases your chance of being dead, over all, considering all possible scenarios where a gun in your hands escalates the stakes of a confrontation unnecessarily

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    1. Re:the existence of such people is absolutely real by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Police are less likely to be shot if they don't carry guns too. Why do they? To assert their will. In the end, nakedly facing an enemy with a weapon means you've lost. That person can do whatever he wants with-- you are his slave. Most of us don't want to live like that, and we're willing to increase the risk of dying to avoid a fate worse than death.

      I also think you're underestimating the proportion of sick fucks.

  64. Another former alarm installer's 2 cents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A sign in your front yard advertising the fact that you have a security alarm is just as good as actually having an alarm system installed. The people that will ignore the sign don't care if you have the alarm in the first place. The people that are afraid of your security alarm will stay away because they see the sign indicating that you have one.

  65. Re:Security Cam help: Zoneminder.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Zoneminder rules...I have been using it for about four years. Seriously, I can't recommend it highly enough. The compilation/installation requires some basic Linux skills, but it is a great little project for a DIYer...

  66. there are many old gun owners by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    there also many gun owners who are not with us today, because in a confrontation, things escalated to deadliness that did not have to escalate to deadliness, had there been no gun around
     

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    1. Re:there are many old gun owners by chihowa · · Score: 1

      there also many gun owners who are not with us today, because in a confrontation, things escalated to deadliness that did not have to escalate to deadliness, had there been no gun around

      I hate to say this, but [citation], please. While your logic here seems sound, I don't believe that the number of confrontations that have escalated to shoot-outs even registers as a blip compared to the number of gun owners. There are millions of legally owned firearms in the US and you can count the home invasion turned OK Corral shoot-out as less than a few dozen in years [citation].

      Assuming that 1% of all gun owners were involved in such shootouts, there would need to be about 2.5 million shootouts (assuming 250M legally owned firearms (first link I could find)

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  67. Internet vs. TV? by Nerdposeur · · Score: 1

    I'd actually like to ask about your sig.

    White-space devices will kill over-the-air free television. Reserve channels 2-51 for TV only.

    Really? Assuming the threat to TV signals is real, why wouldn't internet be better than TV? Internet is an all-purpose data pipe, so you can still use it for TV if you like.

  68. DIY solution by macdaddy · · Score: 1

    I always wanted to make a DIY kit for home security. Really the parts are easily had online (even the commercial brands) for far less than you pay when you get them from a security company. Installation is not difficult. Even a weekend handyman could do it. The only thing missing from a basic security system is the integration with a national monitoring service. I would like to see someone offer to monitor my alarm system for me. Just like a commercial venture like ADT, they'd go through a call list if an alarm was tripped. They'd call the fire dept if the smoke detectors went off (and no one in the home via the PA responded). They could even respond to necklace alerts for elderly. The service is where the real cost should be. The hardware shouldn't be tied to the expensive installation.

  69. Who will monitor by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Part of the value-add of the security companies is they will monitor and verify the issue before they call the police/fire/etc.

    In many areas, you will get fined for false-alarms. Or worse, they will just stop coming to your house.

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  70. Re: degree of security != degree of value TO CROOK by macraig · · Score: 1

    nope. cus he's got cameras and that means stuff inside that is valuable. The amount of security you have also indicates the amount of stuff you have.

    Actually, what it describes is the person's degree of emotional attachment to said stuff, rather than its actual intrinsic value. "Value" in a human - as opposed to Vulcan? - mind is rarely objective and almost always subjective (which is why capitalism is so good at allowing concentration of material resources). It's just as likely the stuff would be junk to anyone else even though this person values it enough to secure it with high-tech devices.

    Thievery could be much better targeted in a true socialist society where "objective valuation" was the norm, since then the crook would always know he would be getting something worthy of his time if it was protected like that. Who knew that socialism was actually beneficial for crooks?

  71. the police have a specific job by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    which is, confronting criminals. they SHOULD carry guns. but that has absolutely zero lessons for what civilians have to consider about whether to carry a gun or not. the rate at which police encounter criminals, and the occasional sick demented fuck, is vastly higher than any civilian. which means comparing the risk assessment for a policeman carrying a gun versus that for a cilivian is absurd

    "Why do they? To assert their will. In the end, nakedly facing an enemy with a weapon means you've lost. That person can do whatever he wants with-- you are his slave. Most of us don't want to live like that, and we're willing to increase the risk of dying to avoid a fate worse than death."

    this is exactly what i said in another post in this thread:

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1015863&cid=25612961

    but its a psychological difference: i think a psychological profile of your average gun enthusiast would reveal issues with power, and the need to be certain they had the ultimate upper hand. this need to remain in power, viscerally, on matters of life or death, i think points to a history of vioent victimization or ongoing abuse in the psychological history of the average gun enthusiast. such that they vow never to be victimized again, because staying in power is more important to them than losing their life

    meanwhile, the average non gun owner simply wants to live, go ahead, have the damn vcr. they have no issues with losing power temporarily if it means they get to have a better chance at staying alive

    so, i directly contradict you: "Most of us don't want to live like that, and we're willing to increase the risk of dying to avoid a fate worse than death"

    no. actually, most of us would rather lose a vcr and momentarily lose power in our lives than always maintain absolute visceral power, with the unavoidable and direct increase in our chance of dying. owning a gun absolutely gives you more power, but it also absolutely raises the stakes in confrontations from one of losing a vcr or not to one of losing your life or not. i'd rather lose power and be helpless for a moment and lose a vcr, than lose my life. i absolutely understand what is at stake, and so do you. but i question your need to remain in constant visceral power at the cost of everything else, including the possiblity that you may die being increased

    "I also think you're underestimating the proportion of sick fucks."

    nope. the real world is not a hollywood movie

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  73. How did that work out? by soren100 · · Score: 1

    Tired of thieves stealing his tools, my grandpa electrified the padlock with one of those electric fence units used with cattle and horses. Difference, 3' from the unit instead of 300' of fencing wire.

    Has that really worked? I would think that he would get careless and accidentally touch/grab the padlock one day and get the crap shccked out of him. Either that or someone goes to borrow a tool legitimately and gets shocked as well.

    Every now and the you hear about somebody that booby-traps his house with shotguns or something, then gets careless one day and that's when they find the body. The electric fence thing sounds really great but I wonder how that works in real life. He should have a hidden camera pointed to it, though, so that if a thief actually does get shocked, we can see the video on the internets.

    1. Re:How did that work out? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Every now and the you hear about somebody that booby-traps his house with shotguns or something, then gets careless one day and that's when they find the body. The electric fence thing sounds really great but I wonder how that works in real life.

      I imagine that, in real life, if some burglar gets zapped by this electric fence transformer, he'd simply get up and continue his burglary or give up and leave, all without any injuries.

      Anyone that's ever been around electric fences knows they don't do any permanent damage. Their shock is really pretty mild; it scares the crap out of dumb animals like horses and cows, though, which is why they're used. The animal only needs to get shocked once, and they refuse to go near the fence again.

    2. Re:How did that work out? by swb · · Score: 1

      This animal only had to touch an electric fence once to realize he didn't want to do it again!

    3. Re:How did that work out? by eskayp · · Score: 1

      Depends on the kind of fence shocker used.
      The old fashioned 'weed burners' were just a transformer with no pulsing.
      Don't even know if they are legal anymore.
      They would fry any weed shoot coming in contact with them with an actual 1/8" arc.
      Often caused brush fires if left active after the underbrush dried out in the summer.
      They were one of the few shockers that would keep hogs from charging the wire.
      I wired one to the jimmy proof lock I had on an old shed I used for my dirt bikes in the 60's.
      One of my buds had a key but didn't know about the fence shocker.
      Ended up on his ass wondering what happened.
      That was before lawyers took over the world.

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  74. Making friends with neighbours= more secure by fantomas · · Score: 1

    I go for the "Making friends with the neighbours" option. The occasional small bag of local goodies from where ever I've been on holiday means I've got good friends and people who look out for my place when I am away, including watering the house plants.

    Doesn't rate on the insurance but really good on the peace of mind front and getting to have neighbours as friends is nice too ;-)

  75. InGrid is not getting hacked. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Suffice it to say, I know some of the engineers and developers at this company in PA, and I strongly doubt anyone is going to be able to break the system. It's built totally unlike conventional security.

    1. Re:InGrid is not getting hacked. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lou, we know it's you. Cut it out.

  76. My Favorite DIY Home Alarm ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... is from Rottweilers_R_Us.

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    1. Re:My Favorite DIY Home Alarm ... by jcuervo · · Score: 1

      I take it you've never seen "It Takes a Thief", wherein every dog the guy encounters is friendly and non-hostile?

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    2. Re:My Favorite DIY Home Alarm ... by PPH · · Score: 1

      That's OK. Its the middle of the night. A burglar breaks in. My dumbshit dog goes bananas barking, wagging his tail, slobbering all over the thief trying to get him to play catch.

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  77. no, sorry, no dueling statistics by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    i have found all statistics to be complete bullshit, fabricated, misinterpretted, taken out of context, etc. for gun control advocates and gun enthusiasts

    so meet me on pure logic and reason, or don't meet me at all

    you analyze rates of ok corral scenarios in a vacuum above

    meanwhile, i am comparing rates of scenario instances for example, i am in a given situation where i am being threatened by a criminal with a gun

    1. if i have no gun, i capitulate to the criminal's demands. the criminal's demands result in my death due to the criminal being a sick fuck in x% of scenarios

    2. if i have a gun, i rebuff the criminal's demands. the resulting conflict results in my death due to me being on the losing end of a gun fight in y% of scenarios

    it is my assertion that y > x

    therefore, for the sake of staying alive, i choose not to carry a gun. of course, this means i have a much greater chance of being victimized by criminals. perhaps many times. but i have a better chance of not being dead. because i am calculating that my chance of running into a sick fuck and me being unarmed, is less than the chance of me running into a criminal with a better trigger finger or better luck than me and me being armed

    it seems like a pretty solid calculation to me

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    1. Re:no, sorry, no dueling statistics by chihowa · · Score: 1

      The logic is strictly fine. This issue is that that home invasions and encounters with violent armed aggressors is exceedingly rare. On the other hand legal gun ownership is very common and carry is not rare. So, while making decisions based on extremely rare possibilities may be strictly logically valid, it is not really the most rational course of action. To bring a car analogy into this, it would be like never wearing a seat-belt because it would hamper your escape should your car spontaneously explode.

      Personally, I have no interest in carrying a gun because I've never in my life needed one and don't anticipate needing one. The hassle of dealing with a gun on me around my friends and work (where guns are prohibited) is a very real and measurable factor that affects my decision.

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  78. Security Cameras by PPH · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If at all possible, include a few security cameras around the house. An alarm system is nice to protect the contents, but we have a bunch of kids with nothing better to to than vandalize stuff. Alarms won't catch this, but cameras will. In addition, they will pick up burglars as they enter or exit and (if you have the proper field of view) license plate numbers.

    The vandal problem in our area seems to be based on an overabundance of the bored kids of rich parents who think they own the world and don't fear the cops. Daddy can pay them off. Having pics is a great way to motivate the local police force in that either they handle the problem, or the kids will show up on YouTube. Or, if you don't want to go that route, having the pics means that their daddy will owe you a favor, which can be much more profitable than seeing Junior spend the weekend in juvenile hall.

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    1. Re:Security Cameras by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, be careful with that one. You're treading dangerously close to blackmail.

    2. Re:Security Cameras by PPH · · Score: 1

      Technically, blackmail is the offer to withhold damaging information in return for compensation. As long as I've offered the local cops a chance to act on it, where's the withholding?

      From a practical standpoint, if the cops or the city prosecutor buries the evidence, who is going to step up and prosecute me for blackmail. At trial, all I'd have to do is show where I reported it and raise the question of who obstructed the process.

      I went through this a long time ago. I helped the local cops break up a burglary ring. But they 'lost' the evidence and let the punks go. After many years, the cops and the prosecutors are more frightened of me than the (now grown up) kids that were doing the thieving.

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  79. Green Acres security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Layers of security. If you live in a rural area, a gate at the drive entrance. Something that has to be climbed over like a cattle gate. Perimeter fencing topped by electric fencing wire, with the perimeter fencing being 'ground' for the hot wire above it. Ever get zapped by a livestock electric fence energizer....a good one? It's enough to make you lose your water and shout curses, followed by a deep down ache all the way to the bone. That is if it tags you on an extremity only, and doesn't go across your chest from one arm to the other, in which case it feels like you just had your heart hit with a defibrillator. Ouch.
    The next layer is a good junkyard dog, combined with some other 'watchdog' type of animals...guinea fowl, geese....that type of thing. And whatever you do, don't make the mistake of entering into the field with the billy goat, please.
    The final layer is firearms. But if you've managed to get that far then there has been several serious security lapses, or you're one of the IMF team.

    Welcome to country life.

  80. then we are in agreement by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    the rare, but real, scenario of the gun owner successfully and heroically using his gun to defeat crime is outnumbered, statistically, with all of the other scenarios where things don't end up so successfully or heroically, because you had a gun with you

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    1. Re:then we are in agreement by chihowa · · Score: 1

      Sure, but you've worded that a little too restrictively. I'm almost certain that the vast majority of people who carry a gun with them (and this likely includes most police officers) experience nothing related to the gun but an uncomfortable lump when they sit down. They likely never encounter a situation where the gun saves or endangers them (or others).

      Although, I have to admit that I'm a little creeped out typing this with the quote "The game of life is a game of boomerangs. Our thoughts, deeds and words return to us sooner or later with astounding accuracy." looming at the bottom of this page!

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    2. Re:then we are in agreement by HopeOS · · Score: 1

      Honestly, I'm not certain to which situations you are alluding.

      If you are looking at it by probability, given the number of people who are murdered, how many died who were unarmed and how many died in spite of being armed? What else matters here?

      We are not talking about people looking for trouble. We are not talking about people who, after getting into an argument in a bar, go back to their car to get a gun. We are talking about self-defense.

      When someone threatens you with deadly force, you are at their mercy. I fail to see how being armed is going to decrease your chances of survival. Is the concern that you will be shot with your own gun, that you will fire and miss? Statistically speaking, this just does not happen as often as conventional murder. It also does not jive with case studies.

      The worst of all situations however, is owning a gun, but not being trained to use it. That, to me, is a true liability, and probably were a great amount of misunderstanding and irresponsibility lies. Simply owning a gun is not sufficient for one's defense.

      In the program in which I participated, people are trained specifically to order the home invader out at gun point, and if they do not comply immediately, shoot them dead. This go, no-go level of decision making is required because under normal circumstances, people panic, and according to case studies, often fail to fire, or simply relinquish their weapon.

      If you are not prepared to fire, have not trained for such an eventuality, and are not willing to take on the responsibility and burden of possessing a gun, then it is not an asset for you.

      -Hope

    3. Re:then we are in agreement by mk2mark · · Score: 1

      Excellent point.

      Despite more or less triggering this conversation, I'm pretty much ignorant to a lot when it comes to guns. I'm probably one of those people that immediately thinks of bad and dangerous when it comes to this topic.

      However, even for the small weight my opinion holds I'm a firm believer that although people should be entitled to guns of some sort, there's no way they should be in the hands of irresponsible people not qualified or deserving of such a right.

      I think circletimessquare makes a better case than I do for how it's more dangerous in every situation to have a gun. But I don't think that's any reason to deny people the choice to have a gun (if they're qualified). I do think it's very good reason however, to deny Joe off the street the right to bear arms, even (especially) if his reasoning is for protecting his family.

  81. My DIY burglar alarm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://doityourselfsecuritysystems.com/

    All for around $900, I outfit my house with an Ademco VISTA-20P 15-zone burglar alarm control panel, wired contacts for all the doors and windows, a keypad, two loud horns, and an Ademco 7845GSM communicator. Cellular alarm monitoring for $20/mo from the above site, and we're in business. Same kind of alarm control panel and communicator used in banks and jewelry stores.

    The only catch? You need to know your way around wire fishing. I installed the entire system with no exposed wiring or contacts, so it all looks like it was installed when the house was built.

  82. ObHacks: by jcuervo · · Score: 1

    I bought a little $20 motion detector from Rat Shack, layed it across RTS/CTS on the serial port, and wrote a little bash script that would do a statserial [-x] once per second. If the motion detector was going (I'm reasonably sure it was normally-closed, so it'd open the circuit and clear CTS when it detected motion), it'd start taking pictures with the webcam, emailing them to hell-I-forget-where, and dial my pager. Took me a few tries to get the ATDT string right. ;-) I even got creative, picked up a little keyswitch, and routed some wires through the wall to the outside, where I could hold the circuit closed even when the motion detector was going off. Alas, no tamper switch (would've been easy enough to wire, though). I believe the system it was hooked up to even turned all its volume controls all the way up and started blaring some generic alarm mp3 at top volume.

    This was all more for fun than anything else, in case you hadn't guessed.

    I know another guy who did the same thing (which is where I got the idea from -- I think he used the parallel port, though, and no camera). He put the motion detector on the heater. It took him a minute to figure out why he kept getting so many false alarms -- the motion detector went off every time the heater kicked on. :-)

    Not really the same vein, but nowadays my laptop detects when I'm home from work via scanning for the Bluetooth signal from my phone, reads me how many messages I have and from whom, how many days until payday, how many days until whatever (e.g., election day), and a fortune [-s -a]. Used to be with my own bash script, but I've found blueproximity works okay, if a little slower. It might be interesting to do the same thing with the Bluetooth part integrated, so the alarm part only goes off if my phone is around...

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  83. Yea.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    unarmed people never get killed in home invasions.

  84. Harder then the neighbors by natoochtoniket · · Score: 1

    There is a story about to men being chased by a bear. One of them says to the other "I don't have to outrun the bear. I only have to outrun you."

    You don't have to make your house invulnerable. You only have to make it harder than your neighbors. Unfortunately, a typical "alarm system" doesn't do that. The security "system" needs to be defense-in-depth. An alarm is part of it, but is not adequate.

    Most alarm systems do not have full coverage of the entire building envelope surface. And even when they do detect something, it takes at least several minutes for the police to arrive. During that several minutes, a lot of valuable stuff can disappear. So a monitored alarm system, by itself, does not prevent burglary. It only makes the burglar hurry. And, an unmonitored alarm is completely worthless.

    Other elements of premises security include sturdy doors and windows, sturdy pick-proof locks, exterior lighting, a safe for valuables, locked drawers and closets for larger semi-valuables, loud dogs, nosy neighbors, and making sure the place always looks and sounds like it's occupied.

    I have "impact rated" windows. In Florida, these windows are made to withstand hurricane. But, they are also resistant to burglars. The glass is laminated with a thick layer of tough plastic. You can beat on them with an axe, but you will not get through. Burglars in this area know about these windows, so they don't bother.

    The doors should be made of steel, with a steel-reinforced jamb, and installed to the frame of the house with lots of long screws. Again, Florida "impact rated" doors do the trick nicely.

    Door locks should be sturdy, pick-proof, and bump-proof. The common "pin-tumbler" locks are basically worthless. Lights and sound help to convince a burglar that someone might be home. An answering machine prevents a burglar from letting the phone ring while he approaches the house. Exterior lighting prevents night-time approach. (But, most burglars actually work during the day when most people are at work.) A dog is a nuisance, and will convince some burglars to go elsewhere. Safes and interior locks slow the burglar down if/when he does get inside.

    In the end, burglars shop a neighborhood looking for houses that look both easy to enter and prosperous. If your house is protected better than others in the neighborhood, the burglar will pick one of the others.