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The Beatles On iTunes

Yesterday Apple put a big old teaser up on their homepage for an unknown announcement to occur today. Speculation ran rampant from the delayed iOS 4.2, to iTunes Streaming to a release of the Beatles catalog on the iTunes store. Well, it was the latter. They have 13 albums on the store now, and a $150 box set. So here's hoping that we get that iPad multitasking yet this November.

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  1. White Album by Hatta · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh, so now I've got to buy the White Album *again*?

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    1. Re:White Album by ledow · · Score: 1

      Damn - beat me to it.

    2. Re:White Album by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no, you don't have to. It's just the beatles. Unless they make your panties slip an inch, enjoy it whatever way you did before.

    3. Re:White Album by hedwards · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm pretty sure that was a reference to MiB.

    4. Re:White Album by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      ...or rip it to mp3 from the cd like everyone else with an IQ over 70.

    5. Re:White Album by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's a reference to having to buy the White album again. DUR.

    6. Re:White Album by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just the Beatles?

      But this is was a world changing announcement. They've made us wait for several days and pundits have been speculating on this for all that time.

      It's a big deal.

      Really big.

      I know, since Apple said it would change my world.

      It's not like it's something trivial that won't effect most iPod or iPhone or iMac users, is it?

    7. Re:White Album by MoeDumb · · Score: 1

      They want to make money? Put out the alternate takes, the bootlegs, the unreleased goodies... there is so much out there...

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    8. Re:White Album by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wouldn't read too much into that. Apple stock is always very volatile after each of these announcements. Lots of people either short or buy stock just before the scheduled announcement time and it takes a day or two for it to return to normal. You'll notice that the graph has a big spike just before the announcement, presumably caused by a lot of people buying in anticipation of something shiny. The dip is caused by them now selling at a loss (which is pretty stupid, because if they hung onto it they could probably sell at a profit in six months or less).

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    9. Re:White Album by Pojut · · Score: 1

      That...doesn't make any sense.

      Having a band like The Beatles on iTunes should send their stock skyrocketing. The amount of money all parties involved are going to make is going to be huge. If there's one band that people rebuy over and over again, it's The Beatles.

    10. Re:White Album by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...or rip it to mp3 from the cd like everyone else with an IQ over 70.

      ...Or download it from usenet like everyone else with an IQ over 140.

    11. Re:White Album by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, you don't. Those who want to now have the option to do so, but the rest of us do not have buy this album again.

    12. Re:White Album by mcgrew · · Score: 5, Funny

      Back in the USSR, the White Album buys YOU!

    13. Re:White Album by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTB mod points.

    14. Re:White Album by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Funny

      Or sample it from the LP like everyone else over 40.

    15. Re:White Album by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      'Martha My Dear' has a bad skip on my vinyl White Album.

      But I ripped the CD from the library anyway, so the vinyl album is just a relic in my collection.

    16. Re:White Album by Wovel · · Score: 0, Troll

      This is a small announcement that has had no effect on the Apple stock, other than perhaps supporting it some in a market that is down 1.5% so far today..

    17. Re:White Album by somersault · · Score: 1

      Or maybe "the market" is down because of the Apple stock issue?

      I don't follow the stock market at all, but seeing as Apple are one of the biggest companies in the world then it seems plausible that their announcements could affect "the market" quite a lot. Perhaps over the past week people bought stock in companies which they thought would benefit from some cool new Apple gadget (protective case makers, docks, screen and memory manufacturers, whatever), and now that it turns out that it's just The Beatles back catalog, they're dumping the stocks?

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    18. Re:White Album by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      There's not a lot that's all that interesting. There's Circle of Light, which Harrison refused to let them release while he was alive. There's the twelve bar blues number, but that's been out on bootleg for decades now. As to the rest, well, I've heard some of the bootlegs from the Let It Be sessions, and believe me, after you've heard the fifteenth take of Get Back, it gets pretty tiresome.

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    19. Re:White Album by jonbryce · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think it will be that big a deal money-wise. Most Beetles fans will have already ripped their CDs onto their iPods. Yes they will sell some Beetles tacks on iTunes, but compared to all the big releases that go on iTunes from time to time, this is probably nothing special. Stockholders were probably expecting something like a Verizon version of the iPhone which would bring a lot more customers to Apple.

    20. Re:White Album by Low+Ranked+Craig · · Score: 2

      This. I used to hold Apple stock, and I learned not to watch the stock after these announcements. Apple is a heavily traded stock and people make (and lose) a lot of money churning the stock. All-in-all though, I find this announcement to be underwhelming. I know that a lot of people consider the Beatles to be one of the top bands if not the top band, but really? Dr. Ebbetts solved this problem long ago, and if you're a true Beatles fan you've got the music in iTunes, or wherever, already.

      I just torrented a bands entire discography last night, simply because I don't want to spend the time ripping 30 CDs. I bought the vinyl, re-bought the CDs when they were releases in the 80's ($25 a pop in 1986 dollars, or $48) and I bought all the new stuff on CD when it came out. I have no intention of paying $150 or $200 to download compressed .mp3/4 files for music which in most cases I've paid for twice, and in some cases three times.

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    21. Re:White Album by somersault · · Score: 2

      Anyone that really liked the Beatles would have already bought and ripped the remastered albums from last year though, or have had them even before that. I kind of assumed I didn't like the Beatles until Beatles Rock Band came out.

      Now I know I like them, but unfortunately for Apple I hate iTunes. I bought a couple of their CDs which I've ripped (well actually I bought the CDs and illegally downloaded the contents, but the net result was the same!). I'm holding off on the rest until Amazon release them on their MP3 store, for cheaper than the CDs.

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    22. Re:White Album by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Kay: This is gonna replace CD's soon; guess I'll have to buy the White Album again... Ah... "

      http://amazon.imdb.com/title/tt0119654/quotes

    23. Re:White Album by MoeDumb · · Score: 1

      Evidently you have no idea what's out there :)

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    24. Re:White Album by Egdiroh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think the real story is that you're an alien from a planet on which several days can occur in the span of 24 earth hours. That teaser went up just a day ahead of the announcement.

      Besides the Beatles are pretty much the best selling band of all time. In the 2000s only eminem sold more records then the Beatles. In a decade three full decades after the broke up, and with out a new medium to be released on they were the second best selling artist. They may not be a big deal to you but they are a pretty big deal.

    25. Re:White Album by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      I've heard a bit of it. Maybe there are some nuggets left, but most of the releasable stuff was put out in the Anthology series.

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    26. Re:White Album by NatasRevol · · Score: 2

      I kept thinking AAPL was a heavily traded stock. Until I saw the ETFs or most stocks in the DJIA. It's volume is really like that of any other large cap stock.
      AAPL - ~20M/day

      C - ~500M/day
      MSFT - ~60M/day
      INTC - ~65M/day

      SPY - ~180M/day

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    27. Re:White Album by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know, since Apple said it would change my world.

      "Nothing's gonna change my world..."

    28. Re:White Album by zach_the_lizard · · Score: 1

      Or listen to the Velvet Underground instead!

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    29. Re:White Album by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I noticed that the MP3 of Lynard Skynard's Workin' for MCA starts with a voice saying "schwiing" followed by a hum, obviously put there on purpose to lampoon their record company. It's missing on the MP3.

      I've got a lot of bad vinyl that I've replaced skipping songs with other media (radio, MP3, CD). My White Album has a skip on a different song; that one I replaced ten years ago from a P2P client.

      I also noticed that when you convert a sampled vunyl or tape album to MP3, the process amplifies the noise. Noise barely audible on the LP or cassette is very pronounced when you convert the sample to MP3.

    30. Re:White Album by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      Anyone that really liked the Beatles would have already bought and ripped the remastered albums from last year though

      If this last remastering followed in the progressively worse steps of the previous 3 or 4, I suspect that it would be hardly recognizable as the Beatles.

      A quick Google shows that it's probably about the same dreck as the 2000 CDs, based on reviews from people who really know.

      This is one of the many reasons I use torrents for such music...when you can no longer buy the original quality recording, and history indicates that nobody involved (artists, labels, etc.) cares about making that same quality available again.

    31. Re:White Album by brooklynwry · · Score: 1

      Now, if Apple were, say, releasing a new Beatles album on iTunes, that might make it a day worth remembering.

      iLife 2011: Garageband now featuring auto-rythym correction, auto-pitch correction, and auto-Beatles...

    32. Re:White Album by cadillac+club · · Score: 1

      How many times do I need to buy the white album. Think I still have it on 8 track.

    33. Re:White Album by nahdude812 · · Score: 0

      Isn't anybody who's particularly into the Beetles already an owner of all of the CD versions of the same music that they care to own? Doesn't iTunes convert those CD's into metadata-tagged high quality audio files for free?

      I never understood why people cared so much whether The Beetles was available on iTunes. The music is easily available from other channels, and if you're willing to dedicate at least a few minutes to it, you have all the same advantages. Breadth of a music store is definitely important, and I get that this is a milestone accomplishment from a business perspective, but I don't get why ordinary citizens really care. It's not like The Beetles are still releasing new music.

    34. Re:White Album by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "Besides the Beatles are pretty much the best selling band of all time. In the 2000s only eminem sold more records then the Beatles. In a decade three full decades after the broke up, and with out a new medium to be released on they were the second best selling artist. They may not be a big deal to you but they are a pretty big deal."

      Let's see in three decades from now who will even know who Eminem *was*, much less have any inclination to hum one of his songs, or buy one of his albums.

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    35. Re:White Album by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      Definitely a better choice. Better still The Monks (billed in the 60s as the anti-Beatles!)

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    36. Re:White Album by lp_bugman · · Score: 1

      As long as you own the CD. You LEGALLY downloaded the contents. It's only illegal for those who don't already own the album. This is were it gets fuzzy as is difficult to prove on your part that you own the CD. Unless you get sued and show up in court with a receipt proving you already have rights to play to keep and play the music... Can find a receipt from 1980 your problem :(

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    37. Re:White Album by getNewNickName · · Score: 1

      The dip is caused by them now selling at a loss (which is pretty stupid, because if they hung onto it they could probably sell at a profit in six months or less).

      Or it could be other investors selling because of the spike. Isn't it a bit presumptuous to assume that they're the same people selling at a loss?

    38. Re:White Album by konohitowa · · Score: 1

      In fact, the whole market is dropping. All due to this announcement.

    39. Re:White Album by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Shareholders aren't happy either as Apple stock is dropping.

      Any time a company claims it will make a major announcement, a lot of people buy stock, then sell it off after the announcement is made to try to turn a profit. It rarely has to do with any particular approval of disapproval of the content of the announcement.

    40. Re:White Album by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 1

      I think the real story is that you're an alien from a planet on which several days can occur in the span of 24 earth hours. That teaser went up just a day ahead of the announcement.

      Oh, I do apologize. It's clear I'm not giving this the earth-shattering priority it deserves, since I couldn't even keep track of how long the tease went on.

      Besides the Beatles are pretty much the best selling band of all time. In the 2000s only eminem sold more records then the Beatles.

      Oh, come on. It's not like Elvis finally came out of hiding and released a new album or something.

    41. Re:White Album by No.+24601 · · Score: 1

      Oh, so now I've got to buy the White Album *again*?

      Yes, but if there is one album worth buying again and again, that would be the White Album.

      40 years later, it awakened the Holy See, which was never really a fan of the Beatles or John Lennon particularly (read the history yourself), to the Beatles' genius.

    42. Re:White Album by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      It is the Beatles, not the Beetles. Jeez, are you purposely misspelling it?

    43. Re:White Album by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Why pay $150 for the box set when you can just download it from bittorrent for free?

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    44. Re:White Album by The+End+Of+Days · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Intelligence does not necessarily equate with criminality... not sure how you drew that connection but I guess believing that makes you feel less scummy.

    45. Re:White Album by somersault · · Score: 1

      Oh I meant I bought the CD the same day I downloaded the album. So the proof of purchase is right there on Amazon, and I do have the CD. I'm still not sure that I legally have the "right" to torrent the album though.

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    46. Re:White Album by MoeDumb · · Score: 1
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    47. Re:White Album by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      No, you've got to stick your existing CD in the drive and rip it with iTunes, or do whatever similar process you do to get music into your computer... Unless you bought one of those DRM infected files many iTunes competitors sell?

    48. Re:White Album by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      And most of these will either be crappy live recordings, outtakes and interviews. I'm not saying that they are not interesting, but believe me, all the hype I heard for years about the Get Back/Let It Be sessions became a major letdown when I found out that it was like what was on the film, only more so; fifteen takes of Two Of Us before they chucked the Buddy Holly-style arrangement and made it folksy, or ten versions of Get Back where Paul mocks Pakistanis and fifteen really dull takes of The Long And Winding Road, intermixed with studio chat where Paul natters at every one, or someone bitches about the pot being too high on mic number four.

      For me the best "new releases" to ever come out were the BBC sessions, a good chunk of it done in the 1963 period, before they became world-wide monsters, and were still good enough live performers to give you a sense of how they sounded in the Cavern-Hamburg days. It's still mostly stuff off the records, but they do a lot more covers, and really show how, even during that early period, they had a real love of songs and peppered the predominantly pop-rock sound with a few country numbers and show tune stylings.

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    49. Re:White Album by thousandinone · · Score: 1

      I think the real story is that you're an alien from a planet on which several days can occur in the span of 24 earth hours. That teaser went up just a day ahead of the announcement.

      But right here on earth, FOUR DAYS occur within the span of 24 earth hours! Don't tell me you aren't up to speed with TIME CUBE THEORY!

    50. Re:White Album by djh101010 · · Score: 1

      If this last remastering followed in the progressively worse steps of the previous 3 or 4, I suspect that it would be hardly recognizable as the Beatles.

      A quick Google shows that it's probably about the same dreck as the 2000 CDs, based on reviews from people who really know.

      I wouldn't be too sure. The 24 bit lossless release from late last year is a dramatically better mastering than I've heard before. IF (and I don't know if they are, but if) Apple is offering the 24 bit lossless for download, then it'll be dramatically better than people have from ripping their CDs.

    51. Re:White Album by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why instead? Can't I like both?

      I mean yeah, the Beatles are overrated... but they still put out some good records.

    52. Re:White Album by DeathElk · · Score: 1

      Apple don't even make the top 100 in the Fortune 500 (103rd I think). A 1.7% hiccup in AAPL will not cause a ripple in the general stock market, let alone drive the entire market down 1.5%.

    53. Re:White Album by Meski · · Score: 1

      Apple on Apple

    54. Re:White Album by nabsltd · · Score: 2, Informative

      The 24 bit lossless release from late last year is a dramatically better mastering than I've heard before.

      The 24-bit lossless could have been more accurate than the CDs, if they had not had the dynamic range compression applied, but at least some comparisons show that this is not case.

      So, they might be "better" to some ears, but that seems to be the same group of ears that have remastered the Beatles albums before, with each one being worse than the last. The engineer doing the mastering on this last release admits to adding dynamic range compression, which by definition loses some of the original sound.

    55. Re:White Album by somersault · · Score: 1

      I wasn't talking about the stock price directly affecting the market, I was talking about other possible side effects. I don't know how much the market even fluctuates on average each day.

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    56. Re:White Album by sloth+jr · · Score: 1

      They're 56. http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/2010/snapshots/670.html

    57. Re:White Album by FxChiP · · Score: 1

      Considering the guy's been around for years (his first album came out to critical acclaim in 1999, I believe), does that mean we've got two decades to go before your point is proven or disproven?

  2. Big by inpher · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is big, at least for Steve Jobs and Apple. Steve is a huge Beatles fan and the distinction between Apple and Steve Jobs is blurry at best.

    1. Re:Big by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      Isn't this the first time that the Beatles' catalog will be offered online? Legally of course.

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    2. Re:Big by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends on whether or not you count DLC for the Beatles: Rock Band game.

    3. Re:Big by Larry+Lightbulb · · Score: 1

      You've been able to buy the digital music online for a long time.

    4. Re:Big by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      I can't find any original Beatles on Amazon and I don't have the Zune software. You can get covers though on Amazon.

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    5. Re:Big by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Y'know, I thought something was up. Just a few hours ago at work, it seemed like everyone here with an iPhone stopped what they were doing and looked like they were staring off into space. We kept trying to get their attention, but they weren't reacting. Then they all picked up their phones at once and it looked like they heard someone on the other end. Then they all nodded at once and we heard the eerie drone of a hundred co-workers from around the building mutter "we listen and obey" in the exact same cadence. Then they all seemed to wake up as if nothing happened, besides the fact that they haven't stopped making Beatles references all day long.

      Yeah, you all figured it out, I'm just teasing my Machead co-workers. The giveaway was implying that they could actually get phone calls on an iPhone. Guess you got me!

    6. Re:Big by Wovel · · Score: 0, Troll

      Other than in the Game rock band (mentioned by someone else), yes it is. They were also #3 selling band in the US last year. It is significant, but perhaps not a day we will never forget.

    7. Re:Big by Larry+Lightbulb · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Lots of albums here, digital and offered online. http://www.amazon.com/The-Beatles/e/B000APTK6K/works/ref=ntt_mus_teaser

    8. Re:Big by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Isn't this the first time that the Beatles' catalog will be offered online? Legally of course.

      Ssshhhh we're busy making fun of Apple here, take your pertinent details somewhere where their insight will be appreciated!

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    9. Re:Big by PatHMV · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can't tell if you're being pedantic or stupid. I'm leaning toward pedantic asshole at the moment, as you are hyper-technically correct but not actually answering the question which anybody over the age of 5 understood was being asked.

      Yes, CDs are "digital" and they are being sold "online." That's not what UnknowingFool was asking, of course. He is correct that this is the first time the Beatles' catalog will be offered online for downloading, legally.

    10. Re:Big by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      The majority of the albums listed in your link are CDs. Click on "MP3 Downloads" in that link. It shows only 87 possible downloads. There are only 3 songs in that list: "Ain't She Sweet", "Cry For A Shadow", and "A Taste of Noney"sp? by the actual Beatles. The rest are interviews. "Ain't She Sweet" is a cover played by the Beatles. If you look at MP3 albums, there are only 2. One of them is In the Beginning which has "If You Love Me Baby". The other is an instrumental cover of the Beatles. So out of the hundreds of Beatles songs that iTunes offers, Amazon offers 3 original Beatles songs for download.

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    11. Re:Big by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It depends on your definition of "legal".

      I bought the Beatles "box set" from allofmp3 back in the day for something like $13.

    12. Re:Big by SETIGuy · · Score: 1

      I'll remember this day forever. Not.

      Anyone who likes the Beatles already has all their albums on CD. Anyone who listens to them on an MP3/WMA/AAC player has already ripped them to the format of their choice. A significant number of the 4,000 or so songs on my phone (not iPhone) are the Beatles. When I get a new phone (not iPhone), I'll pull out microSD-HC card and put it in the new phone.

      This is only news of interest to kids who haven't heard of the Beatles before. Or to people who don't mind paying for the same music over and over again.

    13. Re:Big by countSudoku() · · Score: 1

      This is as good a place as any to chime in on this overloaded comment page.

      It's also significant in that Apple Records is now allowing Apple (formerly Computer) to sell their music. There had been a stipulated judgment, or some such legal agreement, between the two Apples that the computer company could not sell anything that would confuse their two marques, namely music. When music creation software first came out on the Macs, MIDI and the like, this challenged the relationship but they somehow got around that and eventually led to the music player creation, and of course the music store itself; iTunes. The Beatles Catalog was the final piece of missing musical information to complete Apple's music offerings, at least in terms of this band and their strange, and sometimes strained, relationship with the iPod maker.

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    14. Re:Big by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Read the Wikipedia page to get a MUCH better summary of the lawsuits between the two companies. You're completely leaving out lawsuits and the fact that Apple Inc now owns the rights and licenses it back to Apple Records.

    15. Re:Big by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would go with autistic. Or is it no longer cool for unsocialized nerds to self-diagnose that anymore?

    16. Re:Big by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you not heard of CD ripping

    17. Re:Big by Elbowgeek · · Score: 1

      Well I, for one, have been under the impression that Apple Computer were an offshoot of Apple Records ever since Apple Computer started adding sound capabilities to their products.

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  3. If you don't already.... by Slash.Poop · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you don't already own every Beatles album, I feel sorry for you.

    1. Re:If you don't already.... by Raumkraut · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Meh. The Beatles are overrated.

    2. Re:If you don't already.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Every note the Beatles played isn't sacred. They were a good band. Some of their music still holds up well. But they're not Gods. Most of their stuff is pretty forgetable. Your music taste isn't any better than the next guys except for in your own mind. Get over yourself.

    3. Re:If you don't already.... by slim · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Meh. The Beatles are overrated.

      I tend to agree, but only because they are so very, very, unquestioningly highly rated by so many.

      It's also easy to dismiss them, as an overreaction to the adulation. Your post underrates them.

      A few hours with Beatles Rock Band (which is a great motivator for attentive listening) will remind you that they *were* very good indeed.

    4. Re:If you don't already.... by BitZtream · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why, because we didn't buy into their self absorbed crying about how their 'art' should be sold.

      They aren't that good, seriously. When people and companies think they are so special that they will not allow you to buy something in an alternate form when there is massive demand because they are greedy self entitled fucks ... you should probably shop elsewhere so they get the point. Of course its too late for that, so instead you're just going to keep getting ripped off by paying $130 for a boxed set that costs them literally $5 to make, or $150 that cost them $0.05 to let you download.

      At this point, anyone who buys anything Beatles related is rather retarded for doing so.

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    5. Re:If you don't already.... by vlm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you don't already own every Beatles album, I feel sorry for you.

      Does borrowing your grandfathers copies count? They are interesting, but with the cultural reference points being half a century ago, they are kind of hard to relate to like the kids half a century related to them. One of those "you had to be there" moments.

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    6. Re:If you don't already.... by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's not really true, though. Every generation has its superstars.

      The Beatles are just your grandpa's Justin Bieber.

    7. Re:If you don't already.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not overrated, but played to death and embraced by mainstream society to the point that any rock-and-roll rebellion aspect is gone.

    8. Re:If you don't already.... by paiute · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I liked many of their songs the first 200,000 times I heard them.

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    9. Re:If you don't already.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I completely disagree. You don't even need to listen to the lyrics to like the Beatles. The music itself is very interesting, and quite catchy. On another note, how old are you that your grandfather listens to the Beatles?

    10. Re:If you don't already.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To be fair, no band could live up to the hype the Beatles get. Not even the Kinks.

    11. Re:If you don't already.... by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      Indeed. I don't begrudge anyone their musical tastes, and there are some older songs (I wouldn't go as far as older "bands", but a few songs sure) that I do like, but as someone who grew up afterwards, I just don't "get it".

      They're just an old band. I like Lennon's solo "Imagine", but beyond that I can't think of a single song they've involved with that I actually like.

      Music, like so many things, is subjective, and largely generational, and their day has pretty much passed. My parents always find those opinions odd, but oh well. They still can't believe I don't like Elvis either :).

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    12. Re:If you don't already.... by Kenshin · · Score: 1

      "They are interesting, but with the cultural reference points being half a century ago, they are kind of hard to relate to like the kids half a century related to them."

      There aren't all that many cultural reference points in Beatles songs. The lyrics are pretty-much timeless. That's part of how they managed to stay so popular.

      It's sorta like Pixar.

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      Does it make you happy you're so strange?

    13. Re:If you don't already.... by ProppaT · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Agreed. I think the Beatles inspiration at the time is worth a hell of a lot more than their music.

      * - Paul pushed Badfinger and basically kick starting the Power Pop genre
      * - Lennon inspired Harry Nilsson to release some absolutely classic albums
      * - They acted as a think tank for George Harrison. George Harrison's All Things Must Pass is worth more than the collective whole of the Beatles catalog, imo
      * - Basically caused Brian Wilson to go nuts. We wouldn't have Pet Sounds or Smile without the Beatles.
      * - Without the Beatles we wouldn't have The Monkees. Without The Monkees, Michael Nesmith probably wouldn't have had a solo career. Michael Nesmith basically stands in equal footing with Graham Parsons as far as creating the Alt Country genre. You can think of Michael Nesmith and Graham Parsons as the 70s versions of Jay Farrar and Jeff Tweedy as far as Alt Country importance goes.

      You can't deny the impact they had at the time, although you can debate the merits of a lot of their catalog until you're blue in the face.

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    14. Re:If you don't already.... by Fallus+Shempus · · Score: 1, Insightful

      A few hours with Beatles Rock Band

      And this is the extent of your musical knowledge, no wonder you like the Beatles.

      I find their music uninteresting and the hype annoying.

    15. Re:If you don't already.... by mspohr · · Score: 1

      I already have MP3s of most of the Beatles. Am I supposed to get excited about this?

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    16. Re:If you don't already.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your mother is overrated. Sorry sorry, I meant your comment is overrated. Seriously, it is.

    17. Re:If you don't already.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      We'll make that comparison if Justin Bieber is still as popular in ten years and actually does something to advance music. I'm guessing that the machine will have chewed him up and spit him out long before then, but he won't care because he'll still be rich as hell.

    18. Re:If you don't already.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "The Beatles are just your grandpa's Justin Bieber."

      You have lived up to your Slashdot ID.

    19. Re:If you don't already.... by delinear · · Score: 1

      I'm not a huge Beatles fan but I'm very tempted to get Beatles Rock Band for Day Tripper alone. I guess the thing with the Beatles is, while you might not like every song they did (although some people clearly do), they had a hell of a lot of variety in their catalogue so there's pretty much something for everyone.

    20. Re:If you don't already.... by east+coast · · Score: 1

      Don't forget Chuck Manson. Their works helped to spawn the Manson family. Helter Skelter and all that.

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    21. Re:If you don't already.... by slim · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A few hours with Beatles Rock Band

      And this is the extent of your musical knowledge, no wonder you like the Beatles.

      I find their music uninteresting and the hype annoying.

      I do play real guitar - among other instruments - and take pleasure in more complex forms than The Beatles, as well as in more minimal and direct music.

      However I'll continue to defend Guitar Hero / Rock Band as a tool for music appreciation. It draws your attention to details of the parts that are easy to overlook. It's a good way to actually concentrate on music -- few people nowadays listen to music and give it their full attention.

      I find it a bit strange that you could find the whole Beatles canon uninteresting. There's a hell of a lot of variety in there: She Loves You, Taxman, Eleanor Rigby, I am the Walrus, I Want You (She's So Heavy), Helter Skelter, I Got A Feeling ... all very different from one another.

    22. Re:If you don't already.... by vlm · · Score: 1

      There aren't all that many cultural reference points in Beatles songs. The lyrics are pretty-much timeless. That's part of how they managed to stay so popular. It's sorta like Pixar.

      The fish can't see the ocean it swims in?

      Started out singing folk rock love songs about chicks, end up doing hippie psychedelic tunes? Not having been there myself, this is pretty much how I've had both the 60s and the Beatles described to me. The influence on people living then must have been tremendous, but as a guy born a decade or two knowing how it all turns out is going to be a much different experience.

      The pixar reference is hilarious, given that fish swims in the water of day care / heros marginalized by media / disposable plastic junk from China / nostalgia of the 50s / multiculturalism / PC everyone gets a trophy. Someone from a couple decades ago would probably have a total WTF moment, and I'd guess someone a couple decades from now will be equally WTF.

      There's a lot more to cultural reference points than overt in your face Simpsons quotes from flash in the pan blockbuster movies and Simpsons parodies of momentarily popular TV shows and actors/actresses.

      --
      "Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
    23. Re:If you don't already.... by JustOK · · Score: 1

      yah, but if had listened to a high quality download and good headphones, no telling what the world would be like now.

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    24. Re:If you don't already.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot the best thing to ever stem from the Beatles popularity:

      Beatles --> Monkees --> Michael Nesmith --> produced the movie "Repo Man," one of the finest moments in American cinema.

    25. Re:If you don't already.... by JustOK · · Score: 1

      it's got a good beat and you can dance to it. I'd give it a 78, Dick.

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    26. Re:If you don't already.... by vlm · · Score: 1

      I completely disagree. You don't even need to listen to the lyrics to like the Beatles. The music itself is very interesting, and quite catchy.

      On another note, how old are you that your grandfather listens to the Beatles?

      Oh its catchy, but so it plenty of other music from that long ago. I kind of like Hendrix.

      As for age, its not 1970 anymore, its 2010. That stuff's rapidly approaching half a century. In "the hood" thats well over 3 generations, even in the burbs thats at least two generations. Also not everyone fossilizes their musical tastes at age 18. You might be surprised how well some old guys (and gals) can/could rock out, however much it may embarrass their kids and grandkids listening to the same stuff, you're only as old and out of date as you decide to be.

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      "Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
    27. Re:If you don't already.... by stuntpope · · Score: 1

      I've gotten rid of most of mine over the years, or else they don't get played. And I'm talking about vinyl. After having listened to the Beatles' tunes thousands of times I really don't see much point in hearing them again, especially since there's so much other great music to listen to. They were, overall, a good pop band for the time, but by no means the pinnacle of rock music (hardly) or even pop music.

    28. Re:If you don't already.... by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      Not overrated, but played to death and embraced by mainstream society to the point that any rock-and-roll rebellion aspect is gone.

      So let me get this straight - you're saying that you don't want it because it's embraced by mainstream society and it's no longer rebellious? What ever happened to listening to music because you liked the way it sounded?

      Aside from that - only a small portion of the Beatles catalog actually gets significant airtime.

    29. Re:If you don't already.... by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      To be fair, no band could live up to the hype the Beatles get.

      Not even the Beatles.

    30. Re:If you don't already.... by slim · · Score: 1

      I think there's some merit to the "you had to be there" point, which is that there's a ton of stuff in Beatles songs that was wildly innovative, that wouldn't raise an eyebrow now because it was immediately imitated by everyone else.

      Even a simple pop song from their early period like, say, Please Please Me had chord changes that were novel at the time -- yet instantly pleasing and accessible to a mass audience -- but are now just part of the scenery.

    31. Re:If you don't already.... by Kenshin · · Score: 1

      I grew up in the '80s. The Beatles' music still spoke to me. That may not make much sense to you, but whatever.

      But even more to the point, I'll use an example: I still go out dancing. Whenever the DJ puts on a Beatles tune, EVERYONE gets on the floor. I'm not just talking about 30-year-olds like myself, but 19-year-olds who were born a whole decade after John Lennon died.

      So, The Beatles don't matter?

      As for my Pixar comparison, 15 years removed from Toy Story 1, people new to it can still relate without much cultural confusion at all. In a pop culture-saturated, hyper-accelerated culture like ours, that's pretty impressive.

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      Does it make you happy you're so strange?

    32. Re:If you don't already.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All this rampant contrarianism aside, A Hard Day's Night was one of the best comedies of all time. As quotable as the Star Wars trilogy, and like a good comic book takes multiple perusings to catch all the gags.

      .

    33. Re:If you don't already.... by hedwards · · Score: 1

      When they were good they were amazing. There was quite a bit of sophistication in Revolver, that being said, a considerable amount of the work was pop dribble and mostly notable in ways that can't really be appreciated by folks looking back.

      Unfortunately, they broke up before they really hit whatever high point they were capable of.

    34. Re:If you don't already.... by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Probably the only "band" I can think of is Harry Nilsson. And that's more of a hypothetical given how self destructive he was once he gained fame. Personal failings aside, he was definitely up there with the Beatles, certainly around them enough for them to corrupt him.

    35. Re:If you don't already.... by Barny · · Score: 1

      Add one more to the "meh" pile.

      Just really not my kind of music, I generally have a very diverse taste but their music just doesn't grab me and make me want to listen to it.

      I prefer to listen to music while walking or jogging, the exercise leaves your body busy but your mind floating, a great time to give it something to focus on.

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      /me sighs
    36. Re:If you don't already.... by hedwards · · Score: 1

      * - Lennon inspired Harry Nilsson to release some absolutely classic albums

      He also caused Harry to blow out his vocal cords and Harry's relationship with the Beatles was ultimately disastrous for him. And narrowly avoided causing similar ruin to the Beatles.

      On the whole, it probably would've been better for everybody involved had Harry not met any of the Beatles, as impossible as that ultimately was.

    37. Re:If you don't already.... by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Indeed, the early stuff was mostly pop tripe played to earn the right to be more experimental later on. That doesn't make it bad per se, just not really demonstrative of their talent. Which is typical of the period. It wasn't until later that the music got good.

    38. Re:If you don't already.... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      The essence of Rawk and Roll is rebellion.

      That's why, for instance, Punk died as soon as it hit the west coast, in about 1979. I remember, having been a denizen in the clubs at that time, when the people with 'punk' costumes and camera crews started dominating the dance floor at the clubs. It was all 'Professional Wrestling' from that point on.

      When the marketing fucks get involved, it's dead, man, dead.

      That's what Steve Jobs is, BTW.

      (not the dead part, yet)

    39. Re:If you don't already.... by RCGodward · · Score: 1

      But they're not Gods.

      I was with you until this.

    40. Re:If you don't already.... by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I find their music uninteresting and the hype annoying.

      That's because you're too young to be able to see what an effect the Beatles had on music and indeed, society (actually, societies) in general.

      When you've heard something all your life, it's commonplace.

    41. Re:If you don't already.... by MozeeToby · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I won't disagree with you, but only because they are overrated in the same way that Tolkien is overrated. That is, if you look at him compared to contemporary sources, he appears unimaginative, derivative, and even predictable. And then you take a big step back and you suddenly realize that there was nothing before it to be a derivative of. The started something new, something that took on a life of it's own, and they were so iconic that you can still hear their sounds in music today, 50 years later.

    42. Re:If you don't already.... by Barny · · Score: 1

      And Nirvana was just our generations Justin Bieber...

      Yeah right, out of the Beatles, Nirvana and Justin Bieber, guess which one never spawned a genre of music.

      I am not a fan of the Beatles, but I give them credit for a lot more than a 15yo narcissist.

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      ...
      /me sighs
    43. Re:If you don't already.... by hedwards · · Score: 0, Troll

      So, the solution is to sell out? It's assholes like you that ensure that very little quality art will ever be made out of the massive pool of talent which exists. Worrying about selling the stuff pretty much ensures that much of what could be created won't. Either it's commercially nonviable or to time consuming to pay for itself.

      I take it you haven't actually listened to the later Beatles stuff. And by that, I mean really, really listened. Because there's some extremely sophisticated stuff going on, particularly in their later work. "Eleanor Rigby" probably sums things up pretty well.

    44. Re:If you don't already.... by valnar · · Score: 0

      Don't confuse simplistic with bad. No, they weren't as technically proficient as some of their peers (Zeppelin, Cream, Hendrix, etc), but their music was life changing for many. They also knew how to write a melody, which to many is more artistic than being a power player. You can't teach that - you just need that je ne sais quoi, of which they had an abundance.

      I find the lack of musicality and melody in today's music horrendous. Playing loud and fast does not make up for that.

    45. Re:If you don't already.... by MightyMartian · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Is it your mission to show the world what a dolt and ingrate you are?

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    46. Re:If you don't already.... by mcgrew · · Score: 0, Troll

      There were no downloads then, and LPs are far superior to any lossily compressed music. A Beatles CD has all the failings of both analog and digital, and none of the advantages of either.

      Listen to it backwards if you want to blow your mind -- he's singing about "smack" (heroin).

    47. Re:If you don't already.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm no beatles fan, but:
      we'll see 30 years from now if someone still remembers this JB you mention...

    48. Re:If you don't already.... by slim · · Score: 1

      Indeed, the early stuff was mostly pop tripe played to earn the right to be more experimental later on. That doesn't make it bad per se, just not really demonstrative of their talent. Which is typical of the period. It wasn't until later that the music got good.

      It's a common view -- churned out simple pop songs then went experiemental/creative with Sgt Pepper -- but it's not really true.

      Their very early singles show a verve and tightness that can't be dismissed, the result of their relentless performing in Hamburg. Compared to the competition, *that* was enough to make people prick up their ears.

      Then their early original songs often had little touches that marked them as out of the ordinary. Chord sequences, harmonies or rhythms that we're used to now, but were brand new at the time. Of course a lot of what they did was influenced by what was then known as R&B, but they definitely added their own twists in ways that nobody else was doing.

      Yeah, it was a subtler experimentalism than that which later came about with Revolver and Pepper, but nonetheless, it was there.

    49. Re:If you don't already.... by pitchpipe · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's because you're too young to be able to see what an effect the Beatles had on music and indeed, society (actually, societies) in general.

      Yeah. Now get the fuck off his lawn!

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      Look where all this talking got us, baby.
    50. Re:If you don't already.... by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      The early stuff certainly had more than it's share, but I don't discount pop music out of hand. She Loves You, I Want To Hold Your Hand and When I Saw Her Standing There are some of the best examples of early 1960s pop-rock music out there.

      Revolver is, of course, a sublime record, one of the greatest albums ever made. I think Sgt. Pepper is grossly overrated, and pretty much the only interesting songs on the entire album are Lennon's. The White Album is a bit spotty, with a considerable amount of filler, and Let It Be in the original incarnation was soppy sloppy crapola (Phil Spector deserves to be jail just for that alone), and Abbey Road stands just shy of Revolver.

      They made a lot of records in a relatively short period of time (their EMI career was from 1962 to 1969). There was some mediocre stuff in there, as Lennon admitted during the Playboy Interviews, but there was also moments of extraordinary brilliance. Anyone who listens to Nowhere Man or A Day In The Life and isn't moved by Lennon's vocals has no soul.

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    51. Re:If you don't already.... by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      That's pretty bloody one-sided. They were all in it together; Nilsson, Lennon and Keith Moon. They were egging each other on (well, Moon didn't actually require any egging, so maybe he's to blame). Besides Lennon and Nilsson cleaned up, though poor old Moon didn't get much of a chance.

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    52. Re:If you don't already.... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      The Beatles are just your grandpa's Justin Bieber.

      You know, I really didn't appreciate the Beatles when they were still the Beatles, but they did, in fact, change society and music. Did Justin Bieber, whoever he is?

      As to musicianship, I think Pink Floyd and especially Led Zeppelin were far better. But they didn't have the impact the Beatles did.

      Of course, the Beatles didn't have the impact Les Paul or Leo Fender did.

    53. Re:If you don't already.... by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      I don't think Tolkien or the Beatles are diminished compared to contemporary sources, it's just that so many people have been inspired by them (or in many cases just plain ripped them off) that the originality gets lost. Tolkien still stands heads and shoulders above most writers in the fantasy genre, and the Beatles still represent a pretty high peak for pop music.

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    54. Re:If you don't already.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bah. Music died on July 28, 1750 (Bach). It's been all downhill since.

      Oh yeah, get out of my moat.

    55. Re:If you don't already.... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I prefer to listen to music while walking or jogging, the exercise leaves your body busy but your mind floating, a great time to give it something to focus on.

      In other words it's background music. You're not really listening to music if you're doing something else.

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    56. Re:If you don't already.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A few hours with Beatles Rock Band (which is a great motivator for attentive listening) will remind you that they *were* very good indeed.

      On the other hand, after he first got The Beatles Rock Band, a friend of mine promptly commented on how the vast majority of it sucked. Being a young fellow, he had heard a song by the Beatles now and again, but most of the songs in Rock Band he was hearing for the first time. He then proceeded to say, "I don't know what the big deal about the Beatles is, I think they're a few-hits-wonder band."

      Being a big Beatles fan, that statement shocked me, and I like to attribute it to his lack of taste. That said, the truth is more simply that people just have different tastes. It's true that the Beatles were revolutionary, but that only matters to those of us who were witnessing the revolution. To everybody else, they're not listening to anything original, because they've heard countless artists who emulated them. It's like watching Citizen Kane for the first time. Many cinematography tricks were used for the very first time in that movie. However, if you watch it today, you don't notice anything special, because EVERYBODY uses those tricks.

      I will say that the people currently holding the rights to Beatles stuff do piss me off, and contribute to the over-hype. The fact that they're just now warming up to digital distribution should be a source of ridicule, not reason for celebration. Same for refusing to allow export of the Beatles Rock Band songs to be played in other Rock Band games, or even the ability to buy Beatles DLC to be played in other Rock Band games. Screw them, I like their music, but they're not THAT important.

    57. Re:If you don't already.... by tholomyes · · Score: 1

      Why, because we didn't buy into their self absorbed crying about how their 'art' should be sold.

      If artists shouldn't determine how their art should be sold, then who should?

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      When did the future switch from being a promise to a threat? -C. Palahniuk
    58. Re:If you don't already.... by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Started out singing folk rock love songs about chicks, end up doing hippie psychedelic tunes? Not having been there myself, this is pretty much how I've had both the 60s and the Beatles described to me. The influence on people living then must have been tremendous, but as a guy born a decade or two knowing how it all turns out is going to be a much different experience.

      Wow, you don't even know their career arc. They didn't start out playing folk love songs, they started out playing pop songs (and rock and roll covers), didn't hit folk music until really around '64 and '65, the psychedelic phase really only stretched from '65 to '68 and their last three albums were so incredibly diverse I'm not even sure how you would categorize them.

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    59. Re:If you don't already.... by slim · · Score: 1

      There were no downloads then, and LPs are far superior to any lossily compressed music.

      On a top end turntable perhaps, something which would have been punitively expensive in the 60s.

      Most people listened to the early Beatles albums in mono, on cheap all-in-one turntable/amp combos. My parents still have those mono versions of the albums (because the early mono needles couldn't play stereo LPs). The speaker would have been small and tinny, and the amp would have distorted and coloured the signal.

      Even growing up in the 80s, I had a stereo turntable/amp/FM radio unit in my bedroom; the turntable was powered by an AC motor, which imbued the audio with a constant 50Hz hum and was definitely inferior to an MP3.

      Not to mention that most people didn't look after their records properly, so there would be scratches and crackle.

    60. Re:If you don't already.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you were never really with me. No loss.

    61. Re:If you don't already.... by Omestes · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If all music has to stand on is rebellion, and once that aspect is gone it is not longer interesting, it was bad music to begin with. It was a purely cultural phenomena, meaning shallow and transient, meaning the people who listened to it were shallow and transient.

      This is why around 90% of punk sucks, even before 1979. This is why 90% of everything probably sucks, but we just don't realize it until the trend moves on. This is why most of the crap I listened to in high school (metal and grunge) has become JUST crap. It was only interesting in that specific cultural time and place, but was completely uninteresting. At best it was a reaction to some events that are no longer relevant, at midling it was a mere scene, and at worst an act of marketing and targeted demographics.

      Some of it survived very well, meaning it has more to it than just a social trend, it was musically interesting, even beyond its cultural relevance. The Clash (pre-80's) survived, Zeppelin survived, Bob Dylan, and a large selection of classic blues survived. The Beatles, for the most part, did too. Well, they did if you weed McCartney's influence out of it, and focus mostly on the stuff created after some wonderful guy gave Lennon LSD. Some of it is just interesting, some of it is musically sound, and some of it is absolute crap and marketing.

      A vast amount of the music I used to like bores me now, but there are some survivors. And I am long past my rebellious phases. Some of it was actually decent music in the long run.

      Time generally weeds out all the shit. For every Beethoven there were 600000 guys fiddling with a piano who managed mild popularity, but later vanished.

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    62. Re:If you don't already.... by Reformed+Lurker · · Score: 1

      That's just the tip of the iceberg

      Beatles->George Harrison->Handmade Films->Monty Python movies (execept for Holy Grail).

      Life of Brian would not have gotten made if not for George.

    63. Re:If you don't already.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Listen to "Run For Your Life" and "Cry Baby Cry" ten times each in a car with a really, really good sound system in an empty parking lot with no background sounds and get back to us if you still find their music uninteresting so we can all discern whether you're just inexperienced or an asshole with no taste.

    64. Re:If you don't already.... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      My dad is of the opinion that the music he listened to as a teenager was the best music... the jazz from the '40s. But I notice that when I go to bars downtown, the audience is always in their twenties and the bands are covering the music I listened to in the late '60s, '70s, and early '80s.

      There's always at least one guy yelling "FREE BIRD!!!"

      I've also found that the older I get, the more my musical tastes expand. I still hate opera and rap, though.

    65. Re:If you don't already.... by Barny · · Score: 1

      I am not sure about you, but walking isn't something I have to think about, you know you kind of tilt yourself forward a bit, and let your instincts take over, when the album is finished you can get off the treadmill.

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      /me sighs
    66. Re:If you don't already.... by DinDaddy · · Score: 1

      The Beach Boys' Pet Sounds was similar for me. Just got it recently after reading how it was a landmark album (even influencing the Beatles highly in their production of Sgt Pepper).

      I had to listen to it a few times in the context of its release date (1966) and mentally contrast it with other recordings from the same era to get an inkling of what was special about it.

      Even then, it did not really make me appreciate it much more, just made me understand where others' comments about it were coming from.

    67. Re:If you don't already.... by Omestes · · Score: 1

      My girlfriend's mom is addicted to never ending series of fantasy novels (lurid covers and all). She gleamed that I have similar tastes, and thus promotes a new contemporary fantasy series or novel to me every single time I talk to her. She is always disappointed, since I tell her I will read it, and read LoTR again, instead. I don't see a reason for really reading them, since most of the time they are nothing but an extended remix of Tolkien, will pretty much all the same elements and plots, but spread over 60000 books, and it seems most of their authors completely lack the ability to ever write and ending (Robert Jordan, I'm looking at your corpse).

      This, to move on to other examples, is why Apocalypse Now! is the greatest Vietnam movie. On first watching it seems rather trite, but then you realize that it is the archetype of the genre, and that is why it seems so trite, everything that followed followed the form it set. Every character archetype, and environment has been copied so many times that it makes everything seem banal.

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      A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. -edward abbey
    68. Re:If you don't already.... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Lets all get up and dance to a song that was a hit before your mother was born. Though she was born a long, long time ago, your mother should know, your mother should know.

      Sing it again...

      That's more relevant now than it was when it was new.

    69. Re:If you don't already.... by Omestes · · Score: 1

      I don't know if you can blame the Beatles for this. Half of them are dead, and one of them, for all intents and purposes, is uninterested. I would blame the label and other corporate sources, which has pretty much nothing to do with the music itself. Actually the band has nothing much to do with the music itself anymore. Who really cares if the band is a bunch of asshats, if they make good music?

      And in the Beatles I pretty much only count one asshat.

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      A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. -edward abbey
    70. Re:If you don't already.... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Yes, that is indeed true. That's one of the benefits of digital music, although audiosnobs would disagree -- in the analog day, price really did matter. The more you spent on a turntable, the wider your dynamic range and frequency response, and the less your rumble and other noise.

      With digital, about the only thing that spending a lot of money on that makes any sense at all is your speakers.

    71. Re:If you don't already.... by slim · · Score: 1

      The Beatles, for the most part, did too. Well, they did if you weed McCartney's influence out of it, and focus mostly on the stuff created after some wonderful guy gave Lennon LSD.

      Nah. It's a popular meme (like the also erroneous "Ringo was a crap drummer" meme), and McCartney's clean cut "thumbs up" persona throughout the 1980s did a lot to cement it. But it doesn't stand up to close examination.

      McCartney was just as much of a "bad boy" as Lennon, both when whoring, drinking and doing speed in Hamburg, and when the whole band embraced pot and LSD later on. McCartney's virtuoso bass is fundamentally important to almost every song; of course he played other instruments, even the amazing drums on Dear Prudence (yeah, sorry, music geekery).

      If you're really interested in who did what on The Beatles songs (and you don't have to be :) ) I can recommend the book "Revolution in the Head", which discusses each one chronologically as recorded.

      It's also wrong to dismiss the influence of the other two. Any old drummer could *not* have replaced Ringo; Harrison's guitar was tremendous, and what few songs he wrote stand up well against Lennon+McCartney's best.

      (Another fun book is "Living Life Without Loving The Beatles", with which used to have some sympathy)

    72. Re:If you don't already.... by imakemusic · · Score: 1

      There is a massive variety of beetles but I'd still rather stroke a cat.

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    73. Re:If you don't already.... by farnsworth · · Score: 1

      They are interesting, but with the cultural reference points being half a century ago, they are kind of hard to relate to like the kids half a century related to them. One of those "you had to be there" moments.

      There are close to zero overt cultural reference points in The Beatles songs. Some of the early songs are stylistically dated, and some of them are technologically constrained, but the vast majority of their songs are timeless works of art that are significant in almost every way. (And, yes, there is the occasional "meh" song, even on their best albums.) You don't have to love them, but not paying attention to them solely because they are 50 years old is, I think, a mistake. There are many kids that I know who *love* The Beatles.

      Getting these songs into the iTunes store is significant because it makes them accessible to a huge number of people that otherwise would not bother, ie teenagers and boomers. I don't know a single teenager who would actually go to a record store or order a cd off of amazon, and I don't know many boomers who have figured out how to rip their cds.

      I already have every Beatles album on my phone, so this event doesn't directly matter at all to me. But I am still happy about it. The Beatles are good for the universe.

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    74. Re:If you don't already.... by slim · · Score: 1

      Ah, trying to appreciate classic albums. Onward! To "Trout Mask Replica"!

      (My recommendation is not do do this: although a Beefheart best-of album is probably worth sampling)

    75. Re:If you don't already.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Frank Sinatra, Elvis Presley, Britney Spears, Justin Bieber...all of the same class.

      But don't you dare compare The Beatles to them!

    76. Re:If you don't already.... by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      I respect the mark that they left, but really, I hate their music. I have never understood how anyone would want to listen to them, let alone how they have become so earth-shatteringly popular.

      Still, props to them for their ability to forge a legacy.

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    77. Re:If you don't already.... by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      That's a pretty apt comparison. Nirvana fucking sucked. I don't like a lot of bands, but I can at least appreciate their talent as musicians. Nirvana is pretty much the only band that I am willing to say outright sucks.

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    78. Re:If you don't already.... by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      And the gold core, platinum coated speaker wire, right? I mean, right? I spent $5000 on these things, surely you're not telling me they weren't worth it because that would totally... oh... I think I need to lie down a sec...

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    79. Re:If you don't already.... by slim · · Score: 1

      I respect the mark that they left, but really, I hate their music. I have never understood how anyone would want to listen to them, let alone how they have become so earth-shatteringly popular.

      Out of interest, what do you listen to?

      The Beatles' style is so varied, it seems odd to me that you can't like *any* of it. I think it's easy to associate them with, say, I Wanna Hold Your Hand, and get an inoffensive moptop image in your head -- but that's completely unrepresentative of the material on Abbey Road.

      I can think of few currently popular styles of music, that don't have some representation in the Beatles canon. Possibly the minimalist electronica that grew from Acid House, but not much else.

    80. Re:If you don't already.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone who tries placing things in historical context is just being grumpy and big old dumb doo doo head!

    81. Re:If you don't already.... by imakemusic · · Score: 4, Funny

      Be that that as it may, and maybe I'm A Loser, I just don't Dig It. I Don't Want To Spoil The Party but I Want To Tell You, From Me To You, how I feel. You'd have to be a Madman to deny their impact and they certainly caused something of a Revolution but I've listened to them, Not A Second Time, but a hundredth time, and I'm So Tired of their sound I'm Gonna Sit Right Down And Cry. Maybe When I Get Home I'll have another listen and I'll Get Back to liking them. From A Beginning to The End they certainly wrote a lot of songs but that was a Long, Long, Long time ago. But We Can Work It Out. Everyone has their own tastes. You just have to Think For Yourself and Let It Be. The Things We Said Today may not be true in a few years. I could be wrong but, hey, That'll Be The Day!

      Anyway, I'll Be On My Way.

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    82. Re:If you don't already.... by slim · · Score: 1

      I don't know many boomers who have figured out how to rip their cds.

      If they're buying off iTMS, then they must have iTunes.

      If you can't figure out how to rip a CD in iTunes, you have a serious learning disability: insert CD, dialogue says "would you like to rip this CD", click "yes".

      My mum -- a boomer -- has trouble using iTunes to manage an iPod (and in trying to explain it to her, I've realised how complicated Apple has made it). But she'd have no trouble ripping a CD.

    83. Re:If you don't already.... by digitig · · Score: 1

      that statement shocked me, and I like to attribute it to his lack of taste.

      More likely lack of historical context, as you suggest later on. What was ground-breaking in the 1960s can nowadays just sound like another Oasis clone.

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    84. Re:If you don't already.... by Gizzmonic · · Score: 1

      Whoops, replying to erase bad moderation.

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    85. Re:If you don't already.... by Gizzmonic · · Score: 2, Funny

      "The thing about 'Run For Your Life' is, I always hated that song..." - John Lennon

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    86. Re:If you don't already.... by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      This is going to sound totally heartless and awful, and I totally don't mean it like that, but Robert Jordan dying was probably the best thing to happen to the Wheel of Time. It wasn't a great thing to have happen, I'm sure his wife and family miss him, and frankly he died a rather lingering and unpleasant death that I wouldn't wish on an enemy let alone a guy who filled so many pleasurable hours of my time with the first 5 or 6 books of the series; but it was good for the Wheel of Time. Jordan had a lot of strengths as a writer, but finishing a damned story wasn't one of them. Sanderson has done a really good job of taking the notes and material and turning them into something with a finite end date. I'm firmly convinced that had Jordan remained healthy there would have been at least 6 more WoT books each fully of lovingly detailed descriptions of Rand's latest coat. Sanderson was able to make use of Jordan's immense skill in plotting and characterization while bringing his own rather brisker and more active writing style into play.

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    87. Re:If you don't already.... by digitig · · Score: 1

      The Beatles, for the most part, did too. Well, they did if you weed McCartney's influence out of it, and focus mostly on the stuff created after some wonderful guy gave Lennon LSD.

      Nah. It's a popular meme (like the also erroneous "Ringo was a crap drummer" meme), and McCartney's clean cut "thumbs up" persona throughout the 1980s did a lot to cement it. But it doesn't stand up to close examination.

      Agreed, and you can't write off McCartney's song writing, either. It has been said that without Lennon, the Beatles would have been just another disposable pop band, and without McCartney they would have been another obscure art-house band that nobody had heard of. It was the interaction of the two (with more than a little help from their friend George Martin) that made them stand out from the crowd.

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    88. Re:If you don't already.... by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      Well clearly he should. And he thinks they should all be really cheap. Because he's not self absorbed at all :-)

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    89. Re:If you don't already.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'creating the Alt Country genre' - Whats the statute of limitations on crimes against humantity?

    90. Re:If you don't already.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      .."They"..

      Well, you know, half of "they" died well before the digital music revolution.. ehi I said "revolution" ghgh.

    91. Re:If you don't already.... by digitig · · Score: 1

      I won't disagree with you, but only because they are overrated in the same way that Tolkien is overrated. That is, if you look at him compared to contemporary sources, he appears unimaginative, derivative, and even predictable. And then you take a big step back and you suddenly realize that there was nothing before it to be a derivative of.

      Lord Dunsany. And, of course, the Eddas and the Heimskringla.

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    92. Re:If you don't already.... by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      It's all about perspective. The music of the 60's, 70's and 80's is over and we can look back on it and pick up the best of it and point to how wonderful it is. 90's music is starting to move the same way. Current music is, well, current. There's a lot of it, it's coming out all the time, and we don't have any perspective on it. We like a song here or there, but they slide by in the noise of all the mediocre to awful crap. 20-25 years from now when it's digested and only the really lasting or worthwhile stuff is left, we (or more likely people younger than us) can say how wonderful the music of the 00's was. Remember that for every enduring classic of the 80's there were 50 "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun"s. For every haunting melody of the 70's there were 50 "Disco Fever"s.

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    93. Re:If you don't already.... by CrashNBrn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      $150 for 40 year old music as degraded-format MP3's is totally worth it. (Abbey Road was released in 1970). Soon it will be super-classic (50 years old) and the Distributors will want $300.00

      The fact that the laws allow corporate renumeration still for 40-year-old tunes is almost warrant enough to disregard copyright. We'll likely see it on blueray and the next format and the next. As is it's already seen 7 format releases: Album (78/45/33), 8-Track, Tape, CD, Album (vinyl-again), Rock-Band, MP3s

      There are many bands who have excessive catalogs of music - that I just can't be bothered to wade thru. Any band that's survived 20 years has had their label push numerous "Best of" compilations. The same songs will appear again and again, yet each time there will be one or two new tracks.

      Perhaps it's just me but considering all that, older CDs/Music are valued (by the owners/distributors) far too highly. If there were offers of "Buy this (new) Album get 1/2/3 previous albums for free, I would think many people including myself would purchase a lot more music.

      I certainly can't afford to buy all the music I would want, so instead I buy a handful of albums a year.

    94. Re:If you don't already.... by nine-times · · Score: 1

      I find it a bit strange that you could find the whole Beatles canon uninteresting. There's a hell of a lot of variety in there

      I also think it can get a little funny to complain about the Beatles being uninteresting, once you take into account how much other music has been influenced by them. Depending on what your complaint is, it can be a little like complaining that "Romeo and Juliet" is boring and unoriginal because it's the same story as "West Side Story".

    95. Re:If you don't already.... by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      Strange. Most of the cover bands I hear at bars tend be covering mostly 80's and 90's stuff. It's certainly a pretty rare event for me to hear a Free Bird cover requested, much less played. Maybe it's regional, I don't know, but I certainly don't think the music of the 60's or 70's is "timeless" or anything of the sort. Some of it is good - as some of all musical genres are good - but I still see the trend of most people being like your dad and liking the music that was popular when they were teenagers.

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    96. Re:If you don't already.... by bennomatic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Except the Beatles didn't have to resort to autotune.

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    97. Re:If you don't already.... by Omestes · · Score: 1

      Well said, actually.

      I do find McCartney to be the least interesting of the lot, though. Really Harrison and Ringo deserve more spotlight, but McCartney is a masterful self-promoter and thus overshadows everyone but Lennon.

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    98. Re:If you don't already.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, and "Imagine" is one of the worst songs the Beatles ever did, as a group or solo. You're not much of a rock'n'roller, are you? Classical maybe more your style?

    99. Re:If you don't already.... by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      Not only overrated, but mostly annoying in my opinion. I am not a violent person but I really want to slap Paul McCartney around. Just rough him up a bit for being so friggin' annoying. Know what I mean?

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    100. Re:If you don't already.... by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      The Beatles can f*** off. Beefheart is the man.

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    101. Re:If you don't already.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably because you're a gay fag nigger.

    102. Re:If you don't already.... by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      The thing about the Beatles is the 'Phenomena' or 'Mania' people associate with them.

      This isnt to say that they werent excellent.. but the proportions of it, the 'Mania', was caused by stubborn executives in the United States that just wouldn't play any Beatles on American radio stations in spite of them having racked up a number of #1 hits in Britain, and had both of the best selling albums of all time in that country.

      Eventually those stubborn U.S. executives caved in and the flood-gates were opened. All those Beatles hits in Britain started being played on American air-waves all at once. The Beatles didnt just have a #1 spot on the American charts.. they also had the #2, the #3, the #4, AND the #5.

      ..and thus, Beatles Mania was born. More than the sum of its parts, the phenomena was in the timing of it all, and wasnt the result of any marketing genius.. just plain old happenstance caused by the idea that "A British Rock band can't succeed in the United States"

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    103. Re:If you don't already.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Beatles, for the most part, did too. Well, they did if you weed McCartney's influence out of it, and focus mostly on the stuff created after some wonderful guy gave Lennon LSD.

      In other words you haven't a clue what you are talking about.

    104. Re:If you don't already.... by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      Hey, ever heard the Manson Family Opera? Weird stuff. Quite amusing.

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    105. Re:If you don't already.... by oldmac31310 · · Score: 2, Informative

      gleaned not gleamed

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    106. Re:If you don't already.... by SETIGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There were no downloads then, and LPs are far superior to any lossily compressed music.

      Yeah, that's the popular meme. But of course the process of making LPs is lossy, as is recording to magnetic tape. When the music was remastered in the 80s, they tried to boost the low gain frequency bands, which annoyed the LP listeners who like the "warm" sound you get without high frequencies.. But you can always fix that digitally if you want. With appropriate band cuts, and addition of some hiss and pop, you too can make a CD sound like an LP. You might have to add some more band modification and some 60Hz hum to model that 1970s era amplifier and speakers. I'll be surprised if you could tell "lossy" 256kbps MP3 from the CD.

    107. Re:If you don't already.... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Yeah, kid, I thought that once, too. Until I lived through a little history. Want an eye opener? Read this book, which eerily mimics the present.

      Chapter 3, the Big Red Scare is like our own "OMFG Teh Terrists!!!!"

      Chapter 5, Revolution in manners and morals... hell, you only have to look at its title.

      Chapter 6, Harding and the scandals... some things never change.

      Chapter 7, "The DotCom", er, "Coolige Prosperity".

      10, Alcholol and Al Capone (Cocaine and whatsisname)

      11, Home, Sweet Florida (housing boom and bust)

      13, Stock Market Crash.

      Yeah, studying history is useless, all right.

    108. Re:If you don't already.... by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      Wow, and "Imagine" is one of the worst songs the Beatles ever did, as a group or solo. You're not much of a rock'n'roller, are you? Classical maybe more your style?

      Most "rock" music to me isn't that good until after the dropped the "roll" suffix. As I said in another comment, many people just tend to gravitate to the music that was popular when they were teenagers. The Beatles just don't to it for me. On the other hand, The Red-Hot Chili Peppers, Guns and Roses, Pearl Jam, and Counting Crows I do tend to like. It's all about when you grew up.

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    109. Re:If you don't already.... by Arkham · · Score: 1

      If you don't already own every Beatles album, I feel sorry for you.

      Why would I own them, when I never have any interest in hearing any of them, ever? I have a CD collection of probably 400 discs, and none of them are the Beatles.

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    110. Re:If you don't already.... by mcgrew · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Someone with a clue PLEASE mod that guy up!!!

    111. Re:If you don't already.... by Arkham · · Score: 1

      That's not really true, though. Every generation has its superstars.

      The Beatles are just your grandpa's Justin Bieber.

      My grandfather probably liked Benny Goodman. My dad was part of the Beatles generation, but I think he was more partial to Elvis.

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    112. Re:If you don't already.... by ProppaT · · Score: 1

      While creating an LP is lossy, the loss is still a natural loss and not a loss with artifacting.

      You mention the lack of a high end on many old LPs and you're correct, but you have to take into consideration that they were mastering this music for the baseline rig of the day. When you try to make things sound good on a bad stereo, the first thing you do is lower the high end because it sounds like a tin can without decent tweeters.

      Modern LPs are missing a bit of the warmth that old LPs are because they're mastered differently. But, as someone who owns a lot of modern vinyl and cds, modern vinyl really sings with a decent record player and a good amp and sounds absolutely fantastic. I definitely enjoy listening to it more than the digital alternative...although I have a much, much higher end system than most. I'd refer to modern vinyl as sounding smooth more-so than warm.

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    113. Re:If you don't already.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because "a four of fish and finger pie" never goes out of style.

    114. Re:If you don't already.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Beatles are just your grandpa's Justin Bieber.

      Who are the Beatles?

    115. Re:If you don't already.... by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Sticky Fingers ROCKS!

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    116. Re:If you don't already.... by mcgrew · · Score: 0, Troll

      When the music was remastered in the 80s, they tried to boost the low gain frequency bands, which annoyed the LP listeners who like the "warm" sound you get without high frequencies.

      That is totally and completely incorrect. LPs have a far larger frequency response than CDs, which are limited to the 22kHz Nyquist limit (and the closer you get to the Nyquest limit, the more aliasing you have).

      In the early 1970s they came up with a gimmic called "quadraphonics". The way they got 4 channels out of one groove was to modulate the rear channels with a 44kHz tone and mix it with the front channels. On playback, this signal was separated and demodulated. The modulated 44kHz tone was recorded on the LP itself.

      Lower frequencies were a problem with cheap (affordable to most) turntables, and with early recordings. Early recordings suffered from the stylus' tendancy to jump out of the groove with a loud bass tone, and this was overcome with the RIAA equalization curve. That didn't stop the problem of "rumble", noise produced by the turntable's bearings. Cheap turntables simply de-emphasized the lowest frequencies (which needed bigger than an eight inch woofer to reproduce anyway) and also the higher frequencies to compensate for the lack of lower frequencies.

      The "warm" sound comes from the lack of aliasing.

      I find it hilarious that folks today are buying turntables to play music that was originally recorded digitally. As I said earlier, when you mix analog and digital, you get the disadvantages of both and the advantages of neither. With music originally recorded digitally, the CD will sound better than the LP.

      The "lossy" refers to MP3 compression. Convert a wav to MP3 and back several times and you'll have something that sounds like shit. Analog's waveforms are smooth, digital's are pixilated. Draw a sine wave with three sample points and there's no way of telling if it's a sine wave, sawtooth wave, square wave; there just isn't high enough resolution. And with the CD's 44kHz sampling rate, a 15kHz tone has three samples.

      As to hisses and pops, you only get audible hissing if the LP was manufactured out of the cheapest vinyl, and you only get pops if you scratch it or let it get dirty.

    117. Re:If you don't already.... by ProppaT · · Score: 1

      "I find it hilarious that folks today are buying turntables to play music that was originally recorded digitally."

      This. There's a lot of music coming out today that's recorded and mastered analog and pressed to vinyl. But the stuff that the kids are going crazy about most certainly isn't.

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    118. Re:If you don't already.... by No.+24601 · · Score: 1

      Meh. The Beatles are overrated.

      Guaranteed that most of the artists you listen to, including the few that you worship, would disagree with you on that statement. Unless you were born in the before the early 50s, there is very little of any music released in the past 40 yearsincluding electronic music, and heavy that wasn't influenced by them.

      To illustrate... take Kraftwerk & Neu! who are the cornerstones of modern electronic, dance, etc., they were influenced by Beatles pop and lyrical style. As for heavy, listen to the Beatles' Helter Skelter.. it is considered proto-metal, their only song of the kind, very influential on metal, and it's still an insane listen today.

    119. Re:If you don't already.... by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Or old enough to have stopped idolizing them like something they aren't.

      They were a product of the changing times, not the motivation behind the changing times. Society was changing without them, they just happened to be along for the ride and be popular.

      You take any generation since music because easy to access and they'll all have some bad that 'changed the world' when the reality of it is, the world did the exact same sort of 'changing' long before everyone could listen to vinyl.

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    120. Re:If you don't already.... by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      No, not even fucking close :)

      As can be seen by my other posts, I'm not a Beatles lover, but comparing the beatles to some douche bag who hasn't been around long enough for me to realize he's name isn't justin BEAVER is just fucking retarded.

      He'll be gone in a year, just like the last 100 before him over the last 10 years.

      Justin Bieber is a manufactured figurehead for the record industry, he wouldn't exist without someone writing his songs, someone making his music, some other people doing backup vocals, and most importantly, some guy running Autotune for him.

      Comparing him to the Beatles is fucking retarded. Are you a 12 year old girl or something?

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    121. Re:If you don't already.... by catmistake · · Score: 1

      Meh. The Beatles are overrated.

      Indeed, misrated, really. After the Beatles invasion, music changed. Everything sounded different after that. Some say the Beatles ruined Western music. It wasn't until the Seattle invasion that music changed again ("Hey, we don't need no stinkin' million bucks to make a record! Give us $500 and distribute what we do nationally... screw cocaine and Motley Crue!"). Then in the 90's all the chick bands came through, and the lofi was big... until they made too much money to be lofi anymore, and there were some fine high fidelity records from the lofi artists... until female soloists took over.... dammit... save us Wilco! Bring back the superior acts of male vocalists backed by two guitars!! Kind of like he Beatles' format! oh... wait....

    122. Re:If you don't already.... by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Nothin's any good if everyone else likes it.

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    123. Re:If you don't already.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks. I just threw up in my mouth a little.

    124. Re:If you don't already.... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      The Beatles were quite good, but they have been massively overplayed to the point where I can't understand how anyone can stand to hear their more popular songs anymore. In addition, I don't believe the recordings of noise that John made with Yoko qualify as "music".

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    125. Re:If you don't already.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love Tolkien, but saying he isn't derivative just shows how little clue you actually have. He didn't invent dwarves or elves or any of that stuff, it had all been around in lore long before his time. He did bring it to a more contemporary audience, but saying he's not derivative is just plain wrong.

    126. Re:If you don't already.... by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Imagine it's 1962 and top radio stations still have music from 1912 in heavy rotation.

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    127. Re:If you don't already.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you trying to say CDs are lossily compressed? It's hard to extract meaning from your posts in the best of times, but the implication seems to be there. Could just be your normally sloppy sentence structure, though.

      Maybe you blew your own mind with smack one too many times. Could also account for your inflated sense of value.

    128. Re:If you don't already.... by The+End+Of+Days · · Score: 1

      Well this is Slashdot. The first mistake is assuming that it should be allowed to be sold at all. Artists are supposed to be forced to create for no compensation so that everyone can enjoy free entertainment.

      Did you somehow miss the last decade+ on this site?

    129. Re:If you don't already.... by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Wow, seriously...you need help.

    130. Re:If you don't already.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not even Jesus.

    131. Re:If you don't already.... by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Top Gun, Part D'ua: I loved you in Wall Street!

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    132. Re:If you don't already.... by MightyMartian · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I never understood the infatuation with Jordan. I'll admit that, like anything, it comes down to personal tastes, but I found the first book at points excruciatingly dull and at other points pointlessly derivative. Frankly I enjoyed some of the early Dragonlance novels more than I enjoyed that book. As far as post-Tolkien fantasy writers go, I'd have to put Robert Holdstock and George R. R. Martin much father up the list than Jordan.

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    133. Re:If you don't already.... by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      I think Robert Jordan's greatest curse was that he set out to make a 12-book series. He blew through the first 6 books, fantastic. 7 and 8 meandered, book 9 seemed decent, book 10 was awful (I remember getting annoyed when I realized that I'd read 500 pages and not a SINGLE plot point had advanced). Book 11 is where the series started getting good again, as if he'd realized "Oh shit, the next book is the last, I'd better start wrapping things up!"

      The last five books should have been condensed into two, leaving it as a 9 (or maybe 10) book series instead of the 12-13 book series it became.

    134. Re:If you don't already.... by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      You know, I really didn't appreciate the Beatles when they were still the Beatles, but they did, in fact, change society and music. Did Justin Bieber, whoever he is?

      His music seems to be encouraging more people to throw things at performers on stage.

    135. Re:If you don't already.... by Falconhell · · Score: 1

      Please please me-2min 27sec of pop perfection.

    136. Re:If you don't already.... by hondo77 · · Score: 1

      The next time you get annoyed with Paul for being so fluffy, take a listen to "Helter Skelter". Paul McCartney practically invented heavy metal with that song. Pete Townshend wishes The Who ever recorded anything that powerful in the studio.

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    137. Re:If you don't already.... by Falconhell · · Score: 1

      Well said sir. Nearly every modern band is influenced by the Beatles. Many of them got their entire sound from imitating one Beatles song.

      As a part time musician, I am constantly amazed by the number of young people who prefer 60's and 70's music to the crap that pretends to be music these days.

      My 21 yo son (WHo is an awesome guiterist) loves the 60's/70's bands, as do most of his friends.

      Obligatory XKCD http://www.xkcd.com/339/

    138. Re:If you don't already.... by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      They still can't believe I don't like Elvis either .

      Until you hear Elvis in the original Latin, it just doesn't click.

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    139. Re:If you don't already.... by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      1977. That's the year I stopped listening to new bands.

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    140. Re:If you don't already.... by scot4875 · · Score: 1

      over 60000 books

      Earlier in the thread...

      were 600000 guys fiddling with a piano

      Your large random number generator seems to have a flaw. :)

      --Jeremy

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    141. Re:If you don't already.... by tepples · · Score: 1

      Are you trying to say CDs are lossily compressed?

      Yes. Converting an 88200 kHz stereo wave to a 44100 kHz stereo wave is 2:1 lossy compression.

    142. Re:If you don't already.... by SETIGuy · · Score: 1

      The "warm" sound comes from the lack of aliasing.

      I'm not sure if you're unclear on the terminology or the technology. You've mention aliasing a couple of times, but I'm not sure how you think aliasing works. Aliasing is like wrap around at the Nyquist frequency.

      Let's take that 15kHz tone. With a real valued data stream sampled at 44.1kHz you can't tell whether its actual frequency is 15kHz or (44.1-15)=29.1 kHz. As you get to the Nyquist frequency the frequency and its alias get closer together. It's not a problem for a couple reasons. 1) You can't hear above 22.05kHz, in fact you probably can't hear 15kHz very well 2) Your hardware has a 22.05kHz lowpass filter in to keep the neighborhood dogs from ripping your throat out.

      Now I could go into a detailed physical explanation (involving ears and speakers and electronics) of why a 15kHz sine wave sampled at 44.1 kHz sounds a lot like a 15kHz sine wave, or why an mp3 of a 15kHz sine wave might be even more sinusoidal in the output of a good upsampling decode algorithm than the original sampling was, but it would take too long.

    143. Re:If you don't already.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      try the late Frank Zappa. 70 albums , all different

    144. Re:If you don't already.... by petsounds · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, be surprised then, because I can definitely tell the difference between a 256kbps mp3 and a CD on a good stereo system. And I can definitely tell the difference between a lossless master file and a CD pressing. That 16 bit quantization and the frequency range clamping of CDs certainly cause degradation of the transients that give our brain more information about the sound we're hearing. I think the problem is, most people are listening with shitty systems or audio delivery devices (earbuds) that to most people the 192kbps mp3s sound just fine (and then wonder why their ears get "tired" so fast).

      Not to say that vinyl mastering doesn't have its own problems, but a good mastering and vinyl presser can minimize that. And even with pristine digital audio we still have problems with bad DACs (or ADCs in the case of vinyl and most digital-based consumer amps), but the converters are at least a fixable problem from the consumer end. With vinyl, at least we can find a solution to preserve the extra frequency range as it comes out of whatever speakers we employ. The CD, and mp3s for that matter, well there's just no way to get those lost frequencies back, no matter how good our stereo is.

    145. Re:If you don't already.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My favorite example of this effect is the Nazi party.

      How did anyone take them seriously when they practically modelled themselves after the stereotypical bad guys?

    146. Re:If you don't already.... by JimB · · Score: 1

      vlm: By all means, count your grandfather's records ! But think, or listen again. A great many reference the human condition, not just the times. Plus, you can find a lot of sounds and themes that appear in modern music that happened the first time with them. Taxman, Because, Something, Dear Prudence, (and others) are mostly timeless. BUT, you are correct. I, who grew up while The Beatles created, will identify closer to them than any other generation will. You have your "music", too, I'm sure.

    147. Re:If you don't already.... by Xiph1980 · · Score: 1

      Couldn't have worded it better myself.
      To me, the Beatles -- although I respect their accomplishments as they did something right, looking at their sales -- are just a band. They made some good songs, definitely, but they aren't the holier than others as some make them seem.
      And like BitZtream says, they were a product of the times. Not the other way around. If they wouldn't have existed, maybe that gap would've been filled by Elvis, Aretha Franklin, The Monkees, whoever.
      I like to hear their music on the radio every now and then, but to me, their music isn't worth buying (or acquiring in a different way) an album.

      One thing I wonder though. Since the Beatles are so clearly a boyband, would the likes of "Color Me Badd" or "New Kids On The Block" be idolized like this aswell in 40 years?

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    148. Re:If you don't already.... by Fallus+Shempus · · Score: 1
      There's the classic argument, "how can you not like the Beatles when every band in the world was influenced by them".

      You don't have to like anything, you don't have to like Wagner, you don't have to like Mozart, but they had an influence.

      Following your argument to it's logical conclusion nobody could dislike anything because in some weird 'degrees of Kevin Bacon' way it must have influenced something you do like.

    149. Re:If you don't already.... by slim · · Score: 1

      I read somewhere that vinyl is described as warm because the crackling reminds people of a hearty open fire.

    150. Re:If you don't already.... by Barny · · Score: 1

      You do realise Justin Bieber said that himself, that he is this generations Kurt Cobain.

      As for your opinions, they are just that, I enjoy the grunge genre personally.

      As for MiB, I can certainly agree on that :)

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    151. Re:If you don't already.... by Stuarticus · · Score: 1

      You're missing one out, want to buy my mono copy of Sgt Peppers on 1/4" tape?

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    152. Re:If you don't already.... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      The aliasing in music is exactly like the aliasing in a digital photo. If you want to hear aliasing clearly, make a sound file sampled at 22k samples per second. The sounds in the high frequencies sound metallic. And yes, your sound card will filter out frequencies above half that, as if you go above the Nyquist limit you get only noise.

      A photo of a horizontal or vertical line will show no aliasing, but a low resolution picture of a circle will. Likewise, the closer you get to the Nyquist limit, the worse the aliasing. A sine wave at 1000Hz will show no aliasing, and a sawtooth wave will not sound like a sine wave; there are enough samples. That's what a guitar fuzzbox does, changes the sine wave into a square or sawtooth wave (usually switchable on the pedal). But again, at 15kHz a sawtooth wave is indescernable from a sine wave. And no, you can't hear frequencies at or above 22kHz, but tones above that which are harmonics will color the frequencies that are audible.

    153. Re:If you don't already.... by Elbowgeek · · Score: 1

      And to think I paid $2 to a former Radio London DJ for a one of the first ever copies of Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band in near-mint condition ever pressed. You know, you can get any number of copies of Beatles records at yard sales and thrift shops for pennies, it's vastly more fun and rewarding to play and it will be a format that will be relevant and catered to for many generations to come.

      Go buy yourselves a nice Rega deck and enjoy the music.

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    154. Re:If you don't already.... by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Following your argument to it's logical conclusion nobody could dislike anything

      I said "it can get a little funny" and not "It's always funny"; I said "Depending on what your complaint is, it can be.."

      So no, I don't think you can "follow my argument to it's logical conclusion". I didn't present a logical argument at all. I just posited that sometimes people's complaints about the Beatles are kind of silly.

    155. Re:If you don't already.... by Omestes · · Score: 1

      Your perception makes me speechless.

      Well, outside of that (and this) blurb.

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    156. Re:If you don't already.... by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      He's got blisters on his fingers! As for him inventing heavy metal, I really don't think so. Many more proto-metal tunes predate Helter Skelter. There is no winning against the pro-Beatles majority. Sort of like being an atheist! The Who were rubbish too, in my opinion.

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    157. Re:If you don't already.... by SETIGuy · · Score: 1

      Well, be surprised then, because I can definitely tell the difference between a 256kbps mp3 and a CD on a good stereo system.

      I'm not surprised at what you're telling, which is me is not that you can hear a difference, but that you think you can hear a difference. People say the same thing about their $5000 patch cables, too. For the most part, audiophiles delude themselves about their hearing abilities and the capabilities of their equipment. In a blind test on a good audio system with a good mp3 decoder that up-converts by the same amount that the CD player oversamples I highly doubt you'd be able to identify the mp3.

    158. Re:If you don't already.... by petsounds · · Score: 1

      Trust me, I know all about the audiophiles who swear by their snake-oil germanium-forged vacuum-levitated ion-energized patch cables to justify the expenditure. I'm not one of those people. I just play and record music.

      It seems like you think human ears and minds are created from a single, non-variable spec sheet. Some people just have an ability to better resolve differences in audio signals than others. Of course, source material with a wider frequency range reveals the defects in compressed audio more. So, could you fool me on some samples? Perhaps! But most of the time I can certainly tell.

    159. Re:If you don't already.... by SETIGuy · · Score: 1

      The aliasing in music is exactly like the aliasing in a digital photo.

      Well, that clears it up. You're confused about the terminology. The equivalent in photography is not the jagged edges you get on lines and circles (which is a result of the pixels having boundaries that are sharp compared to the pixel spacing and not a sampling effect.) The comparison you want is the Moire pattern you get when you display a repeating pattern that is close to the pixel scale in period. In both audio and video applications that Moire effect can be corrected with appropriate filtering and resampling/oversampling. Just because something is sampled at 44.1kHz doesn't mean you can't play it back at 88.2kHz with the upper half of the band zeroed out. (CD player oversampling is a crude but easy way to do this. 8X oversampling means that playback is at 352.8kHz which means no aliases below that 330.75kHz. Not even Superman can hear that.)

      And no, you can't hear frequencies at or above 22kHz, but tones above that which are harmonics will color the frequencies that are audible.

      No harmonic above 22kHz will "color" an audible frequency. Your ear and your audio system would filter such "color" out. The only way such "color" could occur is if the tone above 22kHz had harmonics below 22kHz. In which case those harmonics get recorded and sampled even though the primary tone is lost.

    160. Re:If you don't already.... by thoromyr · · Score: 1

      True, true. Makes you wonder about Rush, then.

    161. Re:If you don't already.... by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

      I had a few Rush tapes back in the day. I can't really comment on whether they (in particular) have released too many Compilation albums, but I do know they have fairly regularly released actual new Albums (that generally is met favorably by their fans) - like some other Canadian bands that I keep up with.

      Maybe it's the 3-man-band thing, I don't know. But I do know for whatever reason almost all the "Rock/Metal/Alt/or Pop" et al that I listen to are 5+ "man" bands with less than a handful of exceptions [ and almost all the exceptions are 4 "man" bands ;) ]

      Off the top of my head: Ministry and NIN at one point were ONE-Man bands, Skinny Puppy fluctuated back in the day, yet Live all of them had 4+ members. Similarily, 30 Seconds to Mars first album was created by two people (not counting production), yet they acquired 2 more to actually tour.

  4. Good, but overrated products by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In a way, Apple and The Beatles are very similar. Both were pioneers in their industries. Both had throngs of loyal fans willing to do anything for them. Both are scarcely more than a thin veneer over the status quo.

    It's a bit poetic that these two entities which have been at each other's throats over who has the right to call themselves a fruit now are hand in hand making money off the panting masses.

    Apple's done it again.

    1. Re:Good, but overrated products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have to argue with you there. The Beatles and Apple, to a lesser degree, changed the status quo. The fact that the status quo hasn't changed since is testament to their talent.

    2. Re:Good, but overrated products by mevets · · Score: 1

      There is a market for John Brauer designed wastebaskets, which may not be any better at holding waste than a cardboard box lined with wax paper.

      Sipping shade grown free trade coffee while listening to the Beatles on your i-thing is a straw man. Toss it in your wax-paper lined cardboard box.

    3. Re:Good, but overrated products by gad_zuki! · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >Both are scarcely more than a thin veneer over the status quo.

      Oh, I wouldn't say that about the Beatles. If you look at the Beatles peers when they were active you'll see that they weren't just "white plastic on OEM crap." Lets skip past their early stuff which is admittingly cookie cutter to Rubber Soul's release in 1965. The Billboard top 100 had acts like Sonny and Cher and songs like "Wooley Bully." Or when the Beatles released Revolver in 1966, the charts were leading with stuff like the Mamas and Papas. Sgt Peppers was released in 1967 when the Billboards top song was stuff like I'm A Believer by the Monkees. Its weird to even think of them as competing peers considering how far and away Sgt Peppers is from anything mainstream release.

      I think the Beatles really earned their reputation as game changers. They're one of the first rock bands to really begin exploring outside the mainstream, challenge the status quo, and succeeding at this without alienating listeners. Its odd to think that by 1969 they were pretty much done, but if you listen to a lot of the music from the 1970s you'll hear quite a bit of Beatles influence. I think they really wrote the template on how to make rock music that isn't just disposable catchy hits and could be something closer to fine art than just music to dance/get high/get laid to.

    4. Re:Good, but overrated products by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 1

      More long lasting influence than the Rolling Stones? I don't think so.

    5. Re:Good, but overrated products by vlm · · Score: 1

      More long lasting influence than the Rolling Stones? I don't think so.

      Black Sabbath (decades of metal)? Led Zeppelin (maybe)? KISS (decade or two of hair bands)? The Chemical Brothers (maybe)?

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    6. Re:Good, but overrated products by slim · · Score: 1

      Come on, Beatles vs Stones?

      The debate has raged for 40 years. They influenced *each other*. Let's just call it a draw?

    7. Re:Good, but overrated products by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      The Stones were very much a straight up blues-based rock band who was more influenced than influential. They're attempts to do anything inventive on the level of the Beatles failed on its faced, especially the embarassingly awful Beatlesque 'Their Satanic Majesties Request.' Afterwards, the Stones just went back their hard-driving blues sound.

      I love the Stones, but they're a one trick pony. Its just that trick is very good.

    8. Re:Good, but overrated products by Pandrake · · Score: 1

      I was thinking of replying to a previous post about Beatles being outdated, but I'd rather not. Especially now that I see your post, which articulates the concept more clearly than merely saying, "...these are words that go together well," still applies today as much as it did when they were written and put to music.

    9. Re:Good, but overrated products by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      I really don't see how one of the most if not, the most popular band in the time can be considered 'outside mainstream'.

      Popularity defines mainstream, therefore, they were defining what mainstream actually was during their career.

      Just because everyone wants their favorite band to be 'unique, different, and exciting' doesn't mean they actually are.

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    10. Re:Good, but overrated products by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 2, Funny

      The singlemost influential album and artist of the past 50 years? The one that not only changed the direction of music for decades but changed the culture of much of America and many other countries around the world?

      1992: Dr. Dre's The Chronic.

      End of story.

    11. Re:Good, but overrated products by Wovel · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Seriously.. You know every member of the Stones would disagree with you..

    12. Re:Good, but overrated products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sgt Peppers was released in 1967 when the Billboards top song was stuff like I'm A Believer by the Monkees. Its weird to even think of them as competing peers considering how far and away Sgt Peppers is from anything mainstream release.

      Yeah, that's easy to sling that kind of mud when you consider that you don't even bother to mention the real progressive sounds of that year. You know, fluff like Jimi Hendrix and Pink Floyd.

      The Beatles were good. But to act like they're light years ahead of anyone else is either the results of your ignorance or just another case of fanboism.

      BTW: Rubber Soul was about half of the same kind of pop the Beatles had been doing on albums before. Aside from "In My Life", Rubber Soul is pretty much just another Beatles album.

    13. Re:Good, but overrated products by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      The Billboard top 100 had acts like Sonny and Cher and songs like "Wooley Bully."

      That was (iinm) "Sam the Sham and the Pharohs", and they sounded NOTHING like Sonny and Cher. If you want pop dreck, Sonny and Cher fits the bill. "These boots are made for walkin'"... UGH!

      Or when the Beatles released Revolver in 1966, the charts were leading with stuff like the Mamas and Papas. Sgt Peppers was released in 1967 when the Billboards top song was stuff like I'm A Believer by the Monkees.

      Which were commercial, corporate copies of the Beatles, perhaps even a parody.

      I think the Beatles really earned their reputation as game changers.

      Yes, they did. There are a few others (Jimi Hendrix comes to mind), but none had the impact the Beatles did.

    14. Re:Good, but overrated products by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      While there were other progressive bands and the credit for advancing rock music in the 1960s goes to hundreds if not thousands of musicians out there I think its important to see the Beatles as inventive and important.

      To be fair, Dark Side of the Moon was released in 1973. Thats 3 years after the Beatles broke up. PF's earlier efforts were mixed at best and PF didn't peak until well into the 1970s - 10 years after the Beatles begun to peak. By the time artists like PF and Hendrix were starting up the Beatles have already laid down a lot of ground work but bands like PF and Hendrix were certainly part of that narrative.

      My post has a lot to do with the argument above about how the Beatles were just repackaging the status quo. My point is that the status quo at the time was pretty horrible and outside of a few progressive sounds it was something of a wasteland of white/safe/suburban/junk. Remember, people actually protested the Beatles. The music just went against their Andy Williams or Sonny and Cher outlook and was seen as a threat. That aint the status quo.

    15. Re:Good, but overrated products by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Mod parent "funny".

    16. Re:Good, but overrated products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dark Side is the mark of the end of PFs really progressive output but the measure of most serious PF fans. The only reason you would possibly mention Dark Side is to either try to separate the time of the bands peaks or to try to discredit their early works. And 1973 is not "well into the 1970s."

      And my post had more to do with pointing out that by 1967 The Beatles supposed progressive edge was passed by. Not to say that PF or Hendrix or anyone else wasn't influenced by The Beatles but these others would have already had at least a couple years of their playing styles under their belt before they even entered the studio. This means that Jimi was already probably playing his own style at the time Rubber Soul came out. The Beatles had a couple of things on their side that these others didn't and that was better recording equipment and more ability (ie. Money) to tool around the studio getting the sound that they wanted. No one was going to question the Beatles at the time. It would be really something to see what it would have been like had Floyd or Hendrix had the same backing talent and equipment at their disposal during their seminal period that The Beatles did during what you point out as their peak.

      Of course, we can argue this all day and it doesn't make either one of us right. I'd just pointing out a couple of things that irked me about your post. Namely that Rubber Soul wasn't that advanced of an album in its timeframe and that by 67 The Beatles weren't really the cutting edge of new sound.

    17. Re:Good, but overrated products by swb · · Score: 1

      "The Rolling Stones are the greatest white R&B act ever. This point is indisputable."

      After that, you get into disputes. The problem for the Stones wasn't that they weren't good, but they just weren't very innovative -- they weren't doing a whole lot new, although you might argue that they were the first to synthesize pop, R&B and blues into rock and roll and do it very, very well. They kind of set the standard.

    18. Re:Good, but overrated products by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Beatles had a couple of things on their side that these others didn't and that was better recording equipment and more ability (ie. Money) to tool around the studio getting the sound that they wanted.

      Nonsense.

      Pink Floyd recorded Piper At The Gates Of Dawn in 1967 in Abbey Road studios - same place and same time when The Beatles were recording Sgt. Peppers' Lonely Hearts Club Band. Various sources mention that both bands visited each other during the recording sessions in Spring 1967 (Pink Floyd visited The Beatles when the latter were recording It's Getting Better). 1. http://www.cs.umd.edu/~dekhtyar/pfdb/beatles.html 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_Floyd#The_Piper_at_the_Gates_of_Dawn

      Floyd certainly admired the Beatles, and it would be splitting hairs to differentiate between admiration and influence -- they go hand in hand.

      From the horses mouth, in an interview with Waters: You can draw a line between what I'm interested in and what I'm not interested in," he said. "On one side you can name Dylan and Lennon, who observe the world and have "feelings", and write songs directly from those feelings. On the vapid side you have pop groups who need material and write songs to fill the hole, rather than getting somebody else. But they might just as well get somebody else, because it's a manufacturing process. It's not poetry, because it doesn't spring from heart or guts or wherever John Lennon's or Dylan's songs came from. ... That's taken over an awful lot of the business. You could say, 'Well, why shouldn't it?' Absolutely no reason, so long as it doesn't take over and squeeze out the Lennons and Dylans because they're too good for it. 1. http://www.pinkfloyd-co.com/band/interviews/rw/rwmusician92.html

      Certainly the revolution between 1965 and 1975 was a group effort, with many musicians involved, but clearly the Beatles were leading the charge. (And for what it's worth, I don't like or own any of the Beatles' music, though I've owned almost every Floyd album released and several bootlegs. These days I'm ambivalent about music because I'm tired of the old, and there's little new of value being produced.)

    19. Re:Good, but overrated products by DannyO152 · · Score: 1

      The Beatles had great taste in music. They were also at the right time and right place for an intellectual Renaissance and some of them had interests which merged them with the London art world, and the theories of art echoed back into their music and presentation and conceptualization of the LP as a art piece even when on the book shelf.

      They had two great songwriters who were friendly rivals who could see what the other was seeing and see what they were not. Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane. Not all dualities are resolvable and, besides, her defenders nonetheless, I don't think many bands would survive Yoko Ono. McCartney was experimental but never wanted to abandon his pop base center. Lennon wanted to tear the playhouse down but would lower the axe, take a break and love those 45s from the 50s.

    20. Re:Good, but overrated products by digitig · · Score: 1

      To be fair, Dark Side of the Moon was released in 1973. Thats 3 years after the Beatles broke up. PF's earlier efforts were mixed at best and PF didn't peak until well into the 1970s - 10 years after the Beatles begun to peak

      To be fair, Dark Side of the Moon was a major change of direction for PF, and is unlikely to be the sort of thing the AC was referring to. 1967s "Arnold Layne" is a fairer comparison. It was far more experimental than the singles off Sgt. Pepper, and as an album Piper at the Gates of Dawn was more experimental than Sgt. Pepper or Magical Mystery Tour. Of course, experimentation tends to be hit-and-miss. The Beatles let other people do the experimentation, then used the stuff that worked, which is why Sgt. Pepper and MMT are more highly regarded than Piper.

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    21. Re:Good, but overrated products by digitig · · Score: 1

      Sonny and Cher fits the bill. "These boots are made for walkin'"... UGH!

      That was Nancy Sinatra, not Sonny and Cher. Unless you're thinking of the Megadeath version?

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    22. Re:Good, but overrated products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These days I'm ambivalent about music because I'm tired of the old, and there's little new of value being produced.

      Are you sure that it's about the music being made today or the person you are today? Music, even the listening of music, is a passion. If you've lost your desire for music I think the problem is you and not the music. great stuff has always come out and great stuff will always come out.

    23. Re:Good, but overrated products by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I think you're right... "I got you babe", UGH!

    24. Re:Good, but overrated products by digitig · · Score: 1

      Sorry it's not XKCD.

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    25. Re:Good, but overrated products by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Dude you want some cheese with that whine.

    26. Re:Good, but overrated products by Idiomatick · · Score: 1

      Apple had a soul too. Back when Woz was involved.

    27. Re:Good, but overrated products by Falconhell · · Score: 1

      So influential nobody has heard of it!

      No story at all apparently.

    28. Re:Good, but overrated products by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Nancy Sinatra sang with Megadeath?

      Cool!

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    29. Re:Good, but overrated products by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      I like Keith Richards take on it: On any given night, we're a good Rock & Roll band and some nights, we're the best in the world. (talking about practicing for Voodoo Lounge tour up in small upstate NY bar)

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  5. Cheaper to buy CDs by LordKronos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Meanwhile, the CD box set is selling for $130 on amazon (and I thought I read recently someone was offering it for around $100). I thought downloads were supposed to be cheaper than the physical CDs.

    1. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by SicariusMan · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't know about the CD set, but the iTunes version has the iTunes LP extras including two of their original concerts. I'm not a Beatles guy at all, as I'm under 35, but I do respect the influence they've had on music.

    2. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by n4f · · Score: 1

      I've never had that impression. I thought it cost around $9.99 to download most complete albums off of itunes (I'm guessing I don't use itumes). I can pay this for most albums on amazon.com to get the physical disc + album art - DRM.

    3. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Downloads are really supposed to be more convenient than CDs. Brick and mortar stores do not have 24/7 hours. Online CD stores will take at least a day to ship. There is no worry about supply limits. And you can get the songs you want rather than the whole album. With a large number of albums like the box set, you don't have to spend any time ripping and encoding to your computer. Truthfully downloads are cheaper to manufacture than CDs. However markup is always affected by demand and consumer willingness to pay for convenience. I myself get CDs whenever possible but I usually get them used.

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    4. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought downloads were supposed to be cheaper than the physical CDs.

      Just because it costs less money to deliver downloads, doesn't mean they can't charge the same or more. Look at video game downloads for the PC for example, same price as the physical version on release and often more expensive for slightly older games.

      It's not the store's fault but the publisher's, I guess.

    5. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by Damien+Clauzel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      $150 in iTunes US, and 149€ in iTunes France for the CD Box Set?

      Damn you Apple and your currency rate! $1 != 1€, and the music files are the same all around the planet.

    6. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I thought downloads were supposed to be cheaper than the physical CDs.

      Why would you think that? Because distribution costs are virtually nil, as every torrent site on the Internet amply demonstrates?

      Corporations are going to be selling your own culture back to you for the rest of your life. The baby boomers aren't going to live to see the copyright expire on Beatles songs. They will be paying for the Forrest Gump soundtrack from their retirement homes.

    7. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by onion2k · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm not a Mozart guy at all. I'm under 250 years old.

    8. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by melikamp · · Score: 1

      They are. There is a flac discography blob floating around, a remastered 2009 version. The best part, everything you pay for it ($0) goes directly to John Lennon.

    9. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by Sygnus · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've never had that impression. I thought it cost around $9.99 to download most complete albums off of itunes (I'm guessing I don't use itumes). I can pay this for most albums on amazon.com to get the physical disc + album art - DRM.

      iTunes music hasn't had DRM for several years.

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    10. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by inpher · · Score: 1

      Perhaps some sales tax? But even then $150 = €110 and 110*1.2 = 132. Makes little sense to keep it that different.

    11. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I thought downloads were supposed to be cheaper than the physical CDs

      Clearly you are new to the iTunes store.

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    12. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by melikamp · · Score: 1

      There is no worry about supply limits.

      I don't think the rent seekers... Ugm, the rights holders got that memo. They seem to be dangerously preoccupied with supply limits of digital media: how there ain't any.

    13. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      crApple ripping off their customers? This has never happened before!

    14. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by delinear · · Score: 1

      Downloads are really supposed to be more convenient than CDs. Brick and mortar stores do not have 24/7 hours.

      Where exactly do you live that you don't have 24/7 stores? My parents live in the arse end of nowhere in the UK and yet even they have three 24/7 supermarkets within 20 minutes - sure they might not have that niche CD, but for the mainstream stuff they tend to be both well stocked and, quite often, cheaper than the digital alternatives (that's not to say that the rest of your points aren't valid, by the way, or even that online stores aren't capitalising on the fact that people are too lazy to spend less than 20 minutes to go pick up a CD).

    15. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      I mean for any physical object like a CD, there may be supply concerns. If you want an older or obscure title, your brick and mortar or online CD store may not have it in stock. For example, I had one of my CDs stolen and I wanted a replacement copy. The CD is no longer published. There were some online CD stores that wanted $50 for a new copy. I was able to find it used for $15 + shipping. The original was $10. I would have downloaded it from iTunes if it had been available.

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    16. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Downloads are really supposed to be more convenient than CDs. .. There is no worry about supply limits.

      Really? I heard a rumor that it was hard to find a reliable supply of Beatles recordings at a well-known download store.

    17. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by Americano · · Score: 1

      Just because it costs less money to deliver downloads, doesn't mean they can't charge the same or more.

      Cost of creating the physical CD (i.e., putting bits on the plastic) is fairly cheap compared to the overall retail cost of the CD - a few dollars per unit, with that cost probably declining rapidly as the number of units pressed increases.

      Moving to digital, you eliminate the per-unit replication cost & the shipping costs, but neither of those would really serve to reduce the price of a CD by more than a few dollars. Then you have to add back the costs of digital warehousing and distribution - cheaper, but servers, electricity, programmers' time to code a storefront & purchasing functionality, and bandwidth aren't free.

      I used to see CDs retail normally for $14-17 in stores. On iTunes, they generally run ~$10. How much cheaper do you really think they should be, given that the artist still needs to be compensated, and everybody else in the chain of development, recording, production, and distribution needs a cut?

    18. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Original Beatles or covers? But the point was a brick and mortar store may not have the CD in stock or very few copies.

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    19. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      At Amazon UK and at the likes of HMV, physical CDs can often be cheaper than downloads because the physical CDs are sold from Jersey where sales tax is 2%, and the downloads are sold from Luxembourg where sales tax is 15%. In both cases, they have picked the cheapest jurisdiction for that type of product.

    20. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by troc · · Score: 1

      Hmm, $150 = €110 (approx) at at today's rate.

      But, we have to add some VAT. VAT in France is currently 19.6%

      Which makes €131.5

      So actually we are only being screwed to the tune of €17.5 :)

      Oh and btw, in most states in the US they don't pay $150, they pay $150 plus tax, so in NC for example (7% VAT), you'd pay $160.5.

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    21. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by Damien+Clauzel · · Score: 1

      No, this is just the "international Apple taxe" :/

      Forcing single price when you don't have single monnaie is silly.

    22. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by TheRedDuke · · Score: 1

      iTunes music hasn't had DRM for several years.

      Yeah, I just deauthorized my old computer for shits 'n giggles.

    23. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by n4f · · Score: 1

      I thought only select songs were DRM free? Like I said, I'm not an itunes users so I don't know for sure.

    24. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by cloudnin · · Score: 1

      Wow, the box sets are a steal at $130 each. I paid $230 for the mono box set a year ago, and it was worth every penny. If you're buying one or both of the sets, just be sure to buy it directly from Amazon or another reputable seller—if you buy it from a seller on Amazon marketplace, ebay, or something like that, you'll almost certainly get a counterfeit set.

    25. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not a Slashdot guy at al. I'm over 10 years old.

    26. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by mfraz74 · · Score: 1

      Apple's US to UK price conversion also means it costs £125 over here.

    27. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because of him the term classic music was coined.

    28. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by sorak · · Score: 1

      Of course the costs are to be determined by supply and demand. When supply is infinite, the price should drop.

    29. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by pitchpipe · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm not a Mozart guy at all. I'm under 250 years old.

      I knew Wolfgang Mozart. Wolfgang Mozart was a friend of mine. Beatle, you're no Mozart.

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    30. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by inpher · · Score: 1

      In the Swedish store it is 1350 SEK, $150 = 1045 SEK, with sales tax that amounts to 1045*1.25 = 1306 SEK. Much less of a difference here.

    31. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      I can fit your entire country into a couple of our states, don't pretend you have any idea what 'rural' actually means.

      Area of the UK: 93,800 sq miles (Includes england, wales, ireland and scotland)

      Area of texas: 268,581 - Just Texas.

      We could literally drop the UK in a field in one of several of our states and never notice it again unless one of you managed to find your way out.

      Europeans have absolutely NO idea what rural actually means, sorry.

      We have a large population of people that are not within a hour of what you would consider a supermarket, let alone 20 mins.

      Hell it takes me 10 and I live in the city to get to someplace that sells CDs 24/7 and you're talking a walmart with a limited selection.

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    32. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah yes, but amazon are a company actually selling a physical product.

      Clearly the iTunes version is far more "cool" than ludicrously outdated CDs. (So, are they offering 24/96 FLACs? Nah, of course, not).

      Pathetically unimportant announcement.

    33. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not Apple, it's the labels that set the European iTunes prices higher.

    34. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by Plaid+Phantom · · Score: 1

      Don't forget that in the US most online purchases don't even bother with sales tax. (I don't use iTunes, so I don't know if it's any different).

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    35. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      all music was new once.

    36. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by magnamous · · Score: 1

      If I recall correctly, that is *exactly* how the idea of digital downloads was sold to the public: no physical media, therefore lower costs.

    37. Re:Cheaper to buy CDs by penguinchris · · Score: 1

      It amazed me at first too, but there are actually a lot of places that don't have many 24/7 stores. Growing up and through university, I was used to being able to go to full-size grocery stores or Wal-Mart at any hour with no problem if I wanted or needed to. This in Western New York (Buffalo and Rochester).

      I went to grad school in Southern California. Grocery stores close at 11 PM, most Wal Marts close at 10 and the 24 hour ones are spread very thin. This in an incredibly populous area - the most populous region in the entire country in fact. Incredibly, it's a similar situation in big cities like New York.

      Yes, you can find convenience stores and gas stations open 24 hours, but... they don't carry The Beatles. The reason I mention Wal Mart above (a store I normally avoid) is because that's really the only store that has 24/7 locations that also sells music.

      All that said, it's kind of silly to mention 24/7 availability as a huge factor when determining how convenient it is to acquire music. It's not like you wake up at 3AM sweating because you need your fix of $150 box sets and the store's closed.

  6. Why is this news? by n4f · · Score: 1

    Digital music store releases a new (old) digital product? This is their huge announcement?

    Apples needs to get over themselves.

    1. Re:Why is this news? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Maybe because no one else has downloadable Beatles content yet?

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    2. Re:Why is this news? by greenbobb · · Score: 1

      You mean no one else has legal downloadable Beatles content...

    3. Re:Why is this news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe because no one else has downloadable Beatles content yet?

      Nope, can't download it anywhere yet.

      http://btjunkie.org/torrent/The-Beatles-Discography-FLAC/448615e942cb0a805fee0a71f508b708cffa77885d89 (btjunkie.org)

    4. Re:Why is this news? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Yes because many slashdotters will point out they've been able to bit torrent Beatles music for years now. A store that now offers it legally might be not interesting to them.

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    5. Re:Why is this news? by delinear · · Score: 1

      I think a few torrent sites might beg to differ - maybe you need to add a "legitimate" in that sentence :)

      Still, agree with GP - it's relatively big news if you happen to be in that niche of "people who like the Beatles but not enough to not already own their entire back catalogue", but for everyone else it's no bigger deal than them announcing they've got the latest Katy Perry album for sale. There's only so many times you can use the "this is game changing!" marketing tactic and then deliver something average before people stop believing it, though.

    6. Re:Why is this news? by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 2, Funny

      When you do that, though, you deny the Beatles their incentive to create the music in the first place. If you like the Beatles, you might want to think about the consequences of your actions, before you condemn them to a life of poverty and obscurity.

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  7. Sosumi by slim · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And yet there's the trademark dispute over the Apple brand, the Beatles owning Apple Corps, and Jobs having Apple Computer.

    When new sounds for System 7 were created, the sounds were reviewed through Apple's legal department and they objected that the new system sound alert "chime" had a name that was "too musical", under the recent settlement. The creator of the new sound alerts for System 7 and the Macintosh Startup Sound, Jim Reekes, had grown frustrated with the legal scrutiny and first quipped it should be named "Let It Beep", a pun on The Beatles' "Let It Be". When someone remarked that that wouldn't pass legal's approval, he remarked "so sue me." After a brief reflection, he resubmitted the sound's name as sosumi (a homophone of "so sue me"), telling the legal department that the name was Japanese and had nothing to do with music.

    1. Re:Sosumi by EvanED · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And yet there's the trademark dispute over the Apple brand...

      Since apparently you weren't paying attention, there was the trademark dispute but it was permanently resolved years ago.

      (BTW it's amusing that you use the sosumi example instead of when they later sued when Apple started iTunes -- which I felt they actually had a solid basis on which to stand.)

    2. Re:Sosumi by slim · · Score: 3, Informative

      Twas a piece of historical trivia.

      And the Sosumi anecdote is funny, whereas the iTunes bit is not.

    3. Re:Sosumi by RCGodward · · Score: 1

      You serve me and I'll serve you
      Swing your partner, all get screwed
      Bring your lawyer and I'll bring mine
      Get together we could have a bad time

      Rest in Peace, George

    4. Re:Sosumi by doubleyou · · Score: 1

      And yet there's the trademark dispute over the Apple brand, the Beatles owning Apple Corps, and Jobs having Apple Computer.

      Apple Corps? So now they have an army? I guess now we know where Sgt. Pepper got his start...

    5. Re:Sosumi by Reekes · · Score: 1

      Twas a piece of historical trivia.

      And the Sosumi anecdote is funny, whereas the iTunes bit is not.

      I still chuckle about this ;)

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  8. Who cares? by BitZtream · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps I just don't like the Beatles enough to think this is a good thing ... but ...

    My solution to bands who 'refuse' to be put on iTunes, for any reason?

    I don't buy their shit. I won't buy anything from the Beatles or Metallica ever again for that reason, even if they change their minds later.

    You guys go cater to their self absorbed temper tantrums and sense of entitlement. I'll pass and buy things from people who actually appreciate my money.

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    1. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could be wrong, but I don't think the Beatles refused to be put on iTunes. The Beatles didn't exist when iTunes was created first off, secondly they didn't (and currently don't) even own their own music, and third the most important Beatle wasn't even ALIVE so I doubt he was refusing the songs release on Apple's store.

      So why weren't the song on iTunes?? Because those big media companies you apparently love (I only buy it if it's on iTunes!!) didn't want it on there. The same companies who you already have likely purchased dozens or hundreds of other songs from.

      I guess the joke is on you.

    2. Re:Who cares? by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      Well, I second the "who cares" motion; I certainly don't care.

      Your argument about iTunes is moot since I have never used iTunes.

      Your argument about "companies [I] have likely purchased" from is moot since I have never purchased music from anywhere but the musicians themselves.

      The "Be-dulls" don't do it for me. Each to their own musical preference, which (I think) is the point of "Who cares?"

      The only news I can muster from this article is: The iTunes marketplace is too profitable for any sellout to exclude themselves from, no mater how elitist they are.

      I prefer to support my local artists and watch live performances.
      I don't care about the pop music market; This is not "stuff that matters".

    3. Re:Who cares? by demonbug · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Perhaps I just don't like the Beatles enough to think this is a good thing ... but ...

      My solution to bands who 'refuse' to be put on iTunes, for any reason?

      I don't buy their shit. I won't buy anything from the Beatles or Metallica ever again for that reason, even if they change their minds later.

      You guys go cater to their self absorbed temper tantrums and sense of entitlement. I'll pass and buy things from people who actually appreciate my money.

      My solution to people having tantrums because some person (or group) isn't doing what they think they should do is to laugh at them.

      Seriously, do you have any idea how childish you sound? Somebody doesn't sell their stuff the way you think they should so you accuse them of having a tantrum? Talk about self absorbed...

      I can't stand it when people get all pissy about an artist not wanting to break apart their album into individual chunks. I don't care what the artist's reason for this is, if it is valid concern for the artistic integrity of their work (I can see this for the later Beatles albums, though definitely not the early ones) or if they just think that they can make the most bucks off it that way; whining because they won't give it to you the way you demand it is just pathetic. They don't owe you anything. They created it, it is theirs to do with as they see fit - the only ones exhibiting a ridiculous sense of entitlement are the ones demanding that artists offer their work in a specific way because those artists somehow owe it to the consumer. Stunning hypocrisy and failure to think.

    4. Re:Who cares? by SydShamino · · Score: 4, Informative

      The actual Beatles - Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr - have nothing against iTunes. McCartney's music has been available there for quite some time.

      They lost control over their own music long ago. So you can avoid giving any money to the owners of the Beatles catalog, sure, but your rant about the artists' "self absorbed temper tantrums and sense of entitlement" is unwarranted.

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    5. Re:Who cares? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I find it ironic that your refusal to buy something ever sounds surprisingly similar to a self-absorbed temper tantrum and a sense of entitlement (ie. I deserve to have this in the format I want)

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    6. Re:Who cares? by drcagn · · Score: 1

      There isn't any DRM on iTunes anymore, and the DMCA applies just as much to audio CDs as it does to downloaded music.

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    7. Re:Who cares? by not-my-real-name · · Score: 1

      Just for that, I'm not going to put my music on iTunes. Not that I have any music right now, but one day I might form a band and have some music. It's possible that at that point, I might change my mind and let my music onto iTunes.

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    8. Re:Who cares? by digitig · · Score: 1

      and third the most important Beatle wasn't even ALIVE

      What, has something happened to George Martin?

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    9. Re:Who cares? by shippo · · Score: 1

      In the Beatles case it was not a reluctance to release their catalogue in a downloadable format, but down to an exceeding complex set to legal issues over the rights to their catalogue. The group sued EMI over several issues, such as the low royalties paid during the beginning of their contract and the assortment of badly complied albums that appeared after the groups' EMI contract expired in 1976. When these cases were finally settled it granted the group full control as to what can and can't be issued worldwide, although EMI still owned the actual masters. Of course this settlement didn't anticipate downloadable content, and it was re-negotiation that significantly held things up.

    10. Re:Who cares? by scot4875 · · Score: 1

      The Beatles don't even own the copyrights to their music; what little is left of the "band" didn't refuse anyone anything.

      --Jeremy

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    11. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't stand it when people get all pissy about an artist not wanting to break apart their album into individual chunks. ... They created it, it is theirs to do with as they see fit.

      Bullshit.

      If you create a piece of information (be it a song, book, or movie), it is indeed entirely yours up until the point you distribute it to the world. After that, it belongs to humanity.

      Now, some people have gotten the idea that because many countries have (rightfully) granted creators a temporary, exclusive right to profit from their work, that creators also have the exclusive right to control their work.

      They do not.

      No intellectual work or idea could ever be so valuable that the human race needs to give a single individual absolute control over it. If a creator demands such control in exchange for sharing his/her creation, the rest of us can live without it.

  9. Just like the announcement by Lev13than · · Score: 2, Insightful

    O frabjous day!

    The Beatles are on iTunes! Truly this is a day that we "will never forget".

    Move over 7/25/2006 (remember - the day that Metallica finally joined the fold?), because 11/16/2010 is the new biggest day in the history of music. Ever.
     
    Remember folks, your task for this morning is to delete the 100-200 Beatles songs in your iTunes folder so that you can download the exact same files from Apple.

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    1. Re:Just like the announcement by fermion · · Score: 1
      There is something to be said for the integrity of certain albums. While most are just songs put together so they can be sold for $20, some do honor the vinyl format. And it is not just original work. Megadeth Countdown to extinction, Rush 2112, Was(Not Was), Haggad and Nelson doing Poncho and Lefty. Of course there are many others, and of course any defense that they have about these works being one work is somewhat reduced when they put together a 'greatest hit'.

      Of couse music is now made, largely, to be sold one at a time and played through tiny little earbuds. Of course most of us heard the Beatles through tinny stereo speakers, or, moe likely, ineffective mono speakers of our transistor radio or TV. In any case, no one can really say the sound quality of this music suffers in any meaningful way.

      I certainly have respect for musical acts that honor the art enough to not just follow any trend of the marketplace. There is no reason to prostitute a group, especially when the group is not in desperate needs of funds, and it is always good to leave the fans wanting a little more.

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  10. Or you can download them for free by digitaldc · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Why would anyone give iTunes and Apple and the Beatles for that matter any more money?

    I have already owned these as albums, tapes and CDs and I am NOT buying them again.

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    1. Re:Or you can download them for free by MouseR · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Who says you have to? Do you feel pressured when a car company announces the current year`s model?

      How about the autumn release of Levis jeans?

      Heck... that pint of milk is dépassé by now. RUSH NOW to buy this week`s release!! ... or just realize you made a short-sighted comment and move on.

    2. Re:Or you can download them for free by digitaldc · · Score: 1

      Just busting on all the hype and BS from Apple

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    3. Re:Or you can download them for free by delinear · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Besides, they broke up 40 years ago, most of this stuff was recorded before a lot of the people posting here were even born. This is the kind of stuff that should be in the public domain, if we didn't have ridiculous copyright periods that perpetuate the right to make money from the same content ad infinitum. People who rush out to buy this stuff again just give ammo to the labels demanding ever longer copyrights.

    4. Re:Or you can download them for free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would anyone give iTunes and Apple and the Beatles for that matter any more money?

      I have already owned these as albums, tapes and CDs and I am NOT buying them again.

      Standard Slashdot Post Type 1: I don't need/want this, therefore everyone who does is an idiot.

    5. Re:Or you can download them for free by Americano · · Score: 1

      Do you really think that a company, in the business of making money by selling a product, should announce new things like this?

      "Hey guys, we've got some new stuff. But you probably won't care about it anyway, so never mind."

      Or maybe, "Hey, we have some shit that's not worth your time to look at, but we'd like your money for it, please?"

      "Nothing to see here, really. We have some stuff, but we don't recommend you buy it at all."

      For god's sake, why would ANYBODY get upset that a company is "hyping" a new product they have for sale? I would actually PREFER that the people selling me something were happy about the product they're selling, because I'll tend to think, "Hmm, if the people making it are this excited, maybe there's something worth looking at here." These companies are not making money by being mumbling wallflowers who self-deprecate constantly - if you want that, go watch a movie with Michael Cera in it. That schtick gets tiresome fast in my opinion, but apparently there are people who wish the rest of the world would behave like him.

    6. Re:Or you can download them for free by Strudelkugel · · Score: 1

      Sure, I was hoping it would be a new OS or gadget announcement I could use, not the ability to buy tracks I already have.

      Instead we got a parts list:
      • Lake
      • Water skis
      • Ski jump
      • Shark

      "Some assembly required"

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    7. Re:Or you can download them for free by StuartHankins · · Score: 1

      Apple's marketing is going pretty well for them. The industry got all excited about this news and what it would be. Even people who think it's all just "hype and BS" cared enough to take a peek, or comment about it.

      While I'm not a Beatles fan, this is a pretty big deal to a lot of people. Just not necessarily you and me.

    8. Re:Or you can download them for free by andrewa · · Score: 1

      Hmm, let's see... milk goes sour after 4-5 days, jeans eventually wear out, the car will likely have improvements. The music though, that stays the same for the most part - the only re-release I've bought from the Beatles in recent years was "Let it Be - Naked", which was a significant improvement on the Phil Spector "wall of sound" crap.
      Whatever though - anybody that owns the music on CDs, just bloody well stick the CD into your computer and import into iTunes...!

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    9. Re:Or you can download them for free by demonbug · · Score: 1

      Besides, they broke up 40 years ago, most of this stuff was recorded before a lot of the people posting here were even born. This is the kind of stuff that should be in the public domain, if we didn't have ridiculous copyright periods that perpetuate the right to make money from the same content ad infinitum. People who rush out to buy this stuff again just give ammo to the labels demanding ever longer copyrights.

      Why? Half the band is still alive. Who should be profiting from their work if not the members of the band and their families? It's not like their music being under copyright is preventing someone else from making their own music.

      Personally, I think copyrights should be about 50 years or life of the artist, whichever is longer. Of course you run into issues when a corporation is the original copyright holder, but I suppose you could just set it at 50 years if rights are transferred or copyright owned by a non-natural person.

      I don't really have any solid reasoning for why 50 years is good, but then you don't really suggest what a valid period would be or what your reasoning for said period would be, so I guess that's okay.

    10. Re:Or you can download them for free by Draek · · Score: 1

      Who says you have to?

      Dunno. Certainly not the OP.

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    11. Re:Or you can download them for free by Imagix · · Score: 1

      And some people don't have _any_ of them. Like me.

    12. Re:Or you can download them for free by gsslay · · Score: 1

      I have already owned these as albums, tapes and CDs and I am NOT buying them again.

      And no-one is asking you to.

      Do you go complaining to the management every time a new shop opens in your area? "Hey you! Flunky! How dare you came here offering me more consumer choice at my convenience???!!! I already own your wide selection of high quality goods at low low prices and I'm NOT buying them again!!"

    13. Re:Or you can download them for free by timster · · Score: 1

      Hype? They just said you wouldn't forget today. Have you forgotten today yet? No? STFU and come back once you have.

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    14. Re:Or you can download them for free by digitig · · Score: 1

      Why? Half the band is still alive. Who should be profiting from their work if not the members of the band and their families?

      But who is profiting from this work? Not the band or their families, because they don't own the rights to it.

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    15. Re:Or you can download them for free by Gizzmonic · · Score: 1

      I don't really have any solid reasoning for why 50 years is good, but then you don't really suggest what a valid period would be or what your reasoning for said period would be, so I guess that's okay.

      In the Constitution, it's 14 years with one option to renew, with a maximum of 28 years. Personally, I think that is more than generous for copyright, especially in the modern world. Your great-great-grandchildren should not be able to lock down your work 150 years later. Of course, intellectual property is one of the few areas where the US is not being completely undercut by foreign competitors, so that might not be good for the country as a whole.

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    16. Re:Or you can download them for free by N0Man74 · · Score: 1

      Why is it that published works (music, film, books) are the only things that mankind produces that we perceive as being deserving of a lifetime of income? Most of the time it's not even the artists who hit the jackpot, but their publishers.

      Copyright is supposed to be a deal made by the government to protect your exclusive rights to your work for a limited time, in exchange for this work going into the public domain at the end of this protected period. Instead, it's used to try to milk money from a tiny percentage of works for nearly a century, usually by large corporations, while the vast majority of works fall into obscurity and may never survive long enough to even enter into the public domain.

      What is the benefit to the people when the vast majority of works are held hostage, and the tiny portion that are profitable will be squeezed until they are barely relevant by the time they enter the public domain. It's a shit trade, if you aren't a copyright holder.

    17. Re:Or you can download them for free by PraiseBob · · Score: 1

      Why? Half the band is still alive. Who should be profiting from their work if not the members of the band and their families?

      Except McCartney was outbid to have publishing rights to the music he wrote by Michael Jackson. Since McCartney wrote many of the songs he gets royalties from writing the music.

      Since Ringo only performed the music, he gets nothing.

      The majority of profits generated by their music goes to a faceless corporation. And while they aren't preventing anyone from writing more music, consider it this way: Do they have incentive to gamble on new bands and new talent in the industry when they can keep selling the same album over and over?
      A)What business reasons do they have to promote a wide variety of music?
      B)What business reasons do they have to promote the Beatles, a band which has done nothing new for 40 years?

      Our copyright system is setup in a way that it helps established artists, but suppresses new talent.

    18. Re:Or you can download them for free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pie in the sky as it is, but I've considered that if I ever won a ridiculous lottery amount, I'd buy whatever I could regarding the rights to their discography, and release it into the public domain.

      *sigh*

  11. Interview question: by fishbowl · · Score: 1

    Interview question:

    "Beatles or Stones?"

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    1. Re:Interview question: by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I had an argument with a friend recently, who is a big Stones fan. "Yeah", I said, "they had some good songs but some of them were really stinkers (*cough* Angie *cough*)."

      "Your point?" he said.

      "Name a single Zeppelin song that sucks."

      he couldn't do it.

    2. Re:Interview question: by Gizzmonic · · Score: 1

      I guess he'd never heard "Fool in the Rain."

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    3. Re:Interview question: by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      That song didn't suck, it hurt my soul =(

      It spoke too closely to my own experiences with women (particularly Evil-X).

  12. Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This is their big announcement? Why should I care about whether I can buy music by some old hippies on iTunes, particularly when it's been available in a plethora of other formats for 30 years? Answer: I don't!

  13. great! by circletimessquare · · Score: 0

    where's the .torrent?

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    1. Re:great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5960233/The_Beatles_For_iTunes_[Apple_Lossless]_compilation

    2. Re:great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where's the .torrent of your limp dick film? Why don't you bring the goods to the table?

  14. *Sigh*... by MikeRT · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's a testament to baby boomer narcissism that this is such a BFD from Apple.

    Big new software update? No. Verizon iPhone? No. ZOMG U CAN HAZ BEETULZ ON TEH iPhone NOW!

    If Disney opened up its vault, that'd at least make sense since they stop publishing a lot of their animated classics for long periods of time.

    1. Re:*Sigh*... by loutr · · Score: 1

      ZOMG U CAN HAZ BEETULZ ON TEH iPhone NOW!

      No, you can now *buy* the Beatles on teh iPhone. You could get them on the device from day 1, provided you had ripped your Beatles CDs or illegally dowloaded the mp3s.

    2. Re:*Sigh*... by the_humeister · · Score: 1

      I'm still waiting for them to release Song of the South.

  15. Big announcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is this such a big deal? Its more expensive to buy these digital copies than to actually get album art, a box set, and perfect audio. This is hype for absolutely nothing new.

    1. Re:Big announcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But but ... it's the Apples and the Beatle! They are teh speshuls!

  16. Apple Hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Apple is a leader in hyping announcements, but usually they actually deliver something that is interesting. It is precisely because of this that they continue to impress, however if we see too many over-hyped announcements which really amount to nothing their credibility will drop and people will stop paying attention. In terms of image and credibility this is on the level of antenna-gate. Yesterday Apple told us that our world (from their perspective) was about to change and they failed to deliver anything of substance.

  17. Wait... by orphiuchus · · Score: 2, Funny

    Doesn't like half the money go to Michael Jackson's ghost or something? I guess its not a bad thing, hes going to need good heaven-lawyers to get out of the charges of molesting the Lindbergh baby.

    1. Re:Wait... by ginbot462 · · Score: 1

      Flamebait? Come-on that was funny! And topical too, a regular Jack Benny.

      BTW, did you hear, the Mäntsälä Rebellion ended in failure?

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    2. Re:Wait... by Wovel · · Score: 0, Troll

      Can't believe this was modded flamebait. So much goodness in just two lines.

    3. Re:Wait... by orphiuchus · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Woa, I really pissed someone off with this one. Heaven-molestation must be a contentious topic here.

  18. Who are the Beatles by goombah99 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Are they some new Boy band? Sorry if I'm out of the loop, Since I got to college I haven't had time for pop music since way before Cold Play hit the scene. $150 seems like a lot for such a new band, how much music could there be?

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    1. Re:Who are the Beatles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      13 albums apparently, they must be churning this garbage out like the entire cast of pop idol combined.

    2. Re:Who are the Beatles by OldeTimeGeek · · Score: 1

      What is a Cold Play? Is that some type of sexual innuendo, like chatting up someone who doesn't like sex?

    3. Re:Who are the Beatles by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      What is a Cold Play?

      It's when you use sex to medicate a cold.

      You "feed a flu", but you "screw a cold".

    4. Re:Who are the Beatles by goombah99 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Holy Lennon! They must be more popular than Jesus Christ!

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    5. Re:Who are the Beatles by somersault · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      You "feed a flu", but you "screw a cold".

      Somersault likes this.

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    6. Re:Who are the Beatles by kaellinn18 · · Score: 1

      No way. Just you wait. When Apple drops Jesus' album on iTunes, everyone's going to go apeshit.

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  19. too late by batistuta · · Score: 1

    by now, most people who wanted it so badly to be willing to pay 150 dollar for it have probably downloaded it illegally already.

    1. Re:too late by east+coast · · Score: 2, Informative

      Most people who wanted the Beatles catalog have probably owned it on CD for over 20 years and have already ripped it to their iPods.

      While this is going to be a big stir for Apple, the truth of the matter is that most of the money they make from this is only going to be for the al a carte type crowd. I'm sure they will sell a ton of complete collections too but let's be honest; if you're over 25 and you don't own the Beatles stuff that you like? You're probably not going to buy whole albums here either....

      Unless you're a total gimp who doesn't know how to rip a CD.

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    2. Re:too late by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      Most people who wanted the Beatles catalog have probably owned it on CD for over 20
      Not only that, but I bought it from APPLE over 20 years ago.

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    3. Re:too late by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      by now, most people who wanted it so badly to be willing to pay 150 dollar for it have probably downloaded it illegally already.

      There's an inherent gap in logic here...

    4. Re:too late by Wovel · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      The Beatles sold the 3rd most albmums in the US last year. Because of this they will likely be #1 this year. You are obviously uninformed....

    5. Re:too late by Draek · · Score: 1

      Never, ever underestimate the zeal of The Beatles fanboys. Or music fanboys at all. Or, really, any kind of fanboy whatsoever.

      In fact, I don't know that many Beatles fans (not being one myself), but I haven't known a single one who owns their albums on a single medium.

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  20. Lame non-news by airfoobar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is only news because the rights holders have been unable to make a rational business decision for such a long time, while the fans have been forced to cater to their own needs. It's much more interesting to know that the Beatles recordings will start entering the public domain in 2012.

    1. Re:Lame non-news by east+coast · · Score: 1

      It's much more interesting to know that the Beatles recordings will start entering the public domain in 2012.

      Where?

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    2. Re:Lame non-news by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      2012 is not correct. Public domain starts 70 years after the artist's death...

    3. Re:Lame non-news by hedwards · · Score: 1

      No, it was a rational decision. The material was already available for use on ones MP3 player, by way of CD. One could also own it on vinyl, 8-track and cassette. Given that most of the people that are interested in buying the box set or the more obscure releases, I just don't see it being that irrational.

      And given Apple's propensity to damage the marketability of the other tracks on the album, it made a lot more sense than you're suggesting.

      But more than that, for quite some time if you bought from the ITMS you were stuck burning it to CD and ripping it to MP3. I can really understand why they'd be so hesitant to trust Steve Jobs.

    4. Re:Lame non-news by Nimey · · Score: 1

      Until Disney buys another senator, you mean.

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    5. Re:Lame non-news by jonbryce · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Two of the Beetles are still alive, so the count-down to when they enter the public domain hasn't even started yet.

    6. Re:Lame non-news by airfoobar · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not if you are in the UK, where it's 50 years from creation of the recording.

    7. Re:Lame non-news by jd2112 · · Score: 1

      Everything will be entering the public domain around December 21, 2012. Assuming the Myans were correct that is.

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    8. Re:Lame non-news by mattncsu03 · · Score: 1

      Keep dreaming! The "Beatles Protection Act of 2011" will just extend the copyright by another 20 years!

    9. Re:Lame non-news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is only news because the rights holders have been unable to make a rational business decision for such a long time, while the fans have been forced to cater to their own needs. It's much more interesting to know that the Beatles recordings will start entering the public domain in 2012.

      Which jurisdiction are you talking about? EU? USA?

      How about if one of the Vinyl Masters (Dr.R, Aks, etc) will be able to get their hands on a vintage vinyl record in pristine condition and create 24bit/96kHz flacs using their better than state-of-the-art customized recording gear; will we then see legal download sites like Project Gutenburg but then for musical performances? That will be great!

    10. Re:Lame non-news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, don't miss the first single: Love me do, liberated on Oct 5, 2012 !

    11. Re:Lame non-news by ghmh · · Score: 1

      Actually, if the Mayans are correct, the whole world will by public domain after that.

    12. Re:Lame non-news by Lemming42 · · Score: 1

      My math must be wrong then.

      1962 + 50 = ...?

    13. Re:Lame non-news by airfoobar · · Score: 1

      ... = 2012. What's your point?

    14. Re:Lame non-news by u38cg · · Score: 1

      Yes, the Beatles start to expire in the UK in a couple of years. This is a good thing.

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    15. Re:Lame non-news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remind me how many years it is since 1962 when 'Love Me Do' came out?

  21. space exploration vs itunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Sad when a story about the second time ever we've returned material from space, that was posted before this one, has fewer comments and interest than yet another itunes story, even on a supposed tech website. We're not what we were. What happened to us, we were trying for the stars once...

    1. Re:space exploration vs itunes by east+coast · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Science discussions on Slashdot are teh suck.

      Sorry, but it's true. Just go read down the posts about the 30 year old black hole... half of them say the same thing, about half of what's left is trolls. Slashdot isn't a science site. It's hardly a tech site anymore. Only about 1 in 100 posts actually deserve the Insightful mod for technical/science information.

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  22. Currency Conversion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $150 = 150€ ? :-(

    1. Re:Currency Conversion by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      Well, you're forgetting about the packaging, handling, shipping costs, importation fees... oh wait.

  23. Big Deal to Steve Jobs. Trivial to the rest of us. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To him, this is an accomplishment that took a very long time and alot of meetings.

    To me, this is something I downloaded years ago on bit torrent.

    I love apple products but I'm gonna go out on a limb and yell forcefield of mega-pr on this one.

  24. Don't for get the sound engineer by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    Meanwhile, the CD box set is selling for $130 on amazon (and I thought I read recently someone was offering it for around $100). I thought downloads were supposed to be cheaper than the physical CDs.

    SUre you could get the box set and then rip them with a free ripper. Or you could pay a team of professional sound engineers $20 to work for months getting the perfect rip for you.

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    1. Re:Don't for get the sound engineer by MBGMorden · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And if I was an "audiophile" and cared about the pixie dust, I might care. Back in the real world, 90% of human beings won't be able to tell the difference between that rip that the "professional sound engineers" spent "months" on (which I highly doubt in the first place), and your 196Kbps rip using CDEX + LAME.

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    2. Re:Don't for get the sound engineer by delinear · · Score: 1

      Besides, it's not like this mythical team of sound engineers are ripping it lossless. By the time they've compressed it down to distributable file size levels any extra effort on their part is almost certainly wasted.

    3. Re:Don't for get the sound engineer by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      Ripping them with the ALAC codec should give you the same sound quality as the original CD surely?

    4. Re:Don't for get the sound engineer by Sirusjr · · Score: 1

      Yes so because I can't hear the difference means I should pay for less quality. If MP3s were $5.00 per album or so then it would be worth paying for. However, when you buy a CD you can make a lossless rip for your proper setup and a mp3 rip for your portable listening. I think the main reason Apple doesn't put out an option for lossless is that they would have to sell the normal lossy itunes files for cheaper because nobody would pay more than $9.99 for lossless downloads of the same music. Plenty of bands have an option to buy a lossless download of their album for $9.99.

    5. Re:Don't for get the sound engineer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I highly doubt audio engineers spent months perfecting the rip! they probably spent months mastering the audio, of which you will get the same audio on both the cd which will be lossless and the rip which will be lossy.

      The rip was probably done by some RIAA unpaid intern who spent less than 5 minutes to tick some check boxes on a ripper app then proceeds to spend 8hrs ripping as many CDs as they can hand them for the day.

      The lossy mp3 files could also be coming directly from the audio mastering software at the studio, but my hunch says the RIAA doesn't have that kind of fore thought

      I would rather have the lossless physical CD and take the less than 5 minutes to rip it myself at settings of my choice and possibly into another lossless format such as FLAC

    6. Re:Don't for get the sound engineer by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      Where in the hell did paying for anything come up? These albums weren't available digitally in any legal form until now. The implication was that anybody who wanted it has already pirated it or ripped it. If you can't tell the difference, then it's not that you SHOULD pay for less quality, the point was that you SHOULDN'T.

      If you've got an MP3 rip, you're fine. You don't need to rebuy it - Apple's "official" rips don't sound any better than a good rip using regular old software.

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    7. Re:Don't for get the sound engineer by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Or you could pay a team of professional sound engineers $20 to work for months getting the perfect rip for you.

      That's insane. MP3s are lossy. If you want the original, you have to stick a CD in a CD player. If it was originally analog, you're going to have to put the LP on a damned good turntable.

    8. Re:Don't for get the sound engineer by sorak · · Score: 1

      Do you really think an iTunes download is better than a high-quality rip from a normal CD-ripper? I don't use iTunes, but I seem to recall them being the quality equivalent of 128kps or 160kps at most.

    9. Re:Don't for get the sound engineer by Graff · · Score: 1

      Do you really think an iTunes download is better than a high-quality rip from a normal CD-ripper? I don't use iTunes, but I seem to recall them being the quality equivalent of 128kps or 160kps at most.

      The current files distributed by the iTunes Music Store are unprotected, 256 kbps, 44.1 kHz AAC files. A 128 kbps AAC file is widely considered to have approximately the same quality as a 160 kbps MP3 file, although the difference at 256 kbps is likely to be small even with a lossless version of the file. The iTunes Music Store file is certainly extremely close in quality, if not better since it is direct from a master, as a "high-quality rip from a normal CD-ripper".

      Before Apple started offering the unprotected 256 kbps AAC files they sold 128 kbps DRM-protected versions. They now offer a service to upgrade those songs to the higher quality, DRM-free format.

    10. Re:Don't for get the sound engineer by Graff · · Score: 1

      MP3s are lossy. If you want the original, you have to stick a CD in a CD player.

      CD Audio is lossy too. If you want the original you would have to go down to the recording studio and listen in on the session.

      All recordings are compromises between fidelity and the size of the resulting recording. At every step in the recording process a sound engineer has to make decisions on how to best trade-off on fidelity and data size.

      In the case of CD audio they band-limit the high end and sample at a rate twice that (plus a bit) of the highest frequency sound wave they want to capture. They attempt to do this as intelligently as possible but it ends in cutting off the transients and harmonics that are tricky for human hearing but which might still have provided some character to the music.

      With MP3, AAC, and other such formats they use a more complicated model of human hearing which takes into account stuff like the fact that it's very difficult to notice extremely quiet elements under very loud elements, so you can simplify the recording at that part to exclude the unnoticeable elements and save some bandwidth. Again, it has to be done as intelligently as possible in order to avoid stepping on the character of the music.

      In any case, you will always have loss in any recording and playback system. The key is to do your encoding professionally and as close to the source as possible in order to avoid over-processing the sound and losing fidelity. Creating a MP3 or AAC file from a master is certainly better than creating one from a CD, especially if it is done with professional equipment by a competent sound engineer. Is it worth any extra cost that might entail? That's left up to the consumer to decide.

    11. Re:Don't for get the sound engineer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      90% of human beings can't tell the difference because they all use a shitty sound system/iPod earbuds.

    12. Re:Don't for get the sound engineer by Idiomatick · · Score: 1

      I think you missed the "$20" fee... preaching to the choir man.

  25. Jobs' Narcissism by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Actually, this announcement's hype is testament to Steve Jobs' narcissism, and whatever is the corporate version of "narcissism" (monopolism?) over at Apple Records. Apple Records has been suing and attacking Apple Computer since the Apple ][, claiming "trademark" rights that don't exist (computers aren't music, even when computers play or sell music). "Beatles on iTunes" closes the "Apple vs Apple" spat that has kept Beatles music from Apple users for so long, even when it there was no possible combo. Which is probably a lot bigger deal to Jobs and Apple Records than it is to the public, even if Apple's music distribution is #1 and the Beatles recordings are still among the most popular music in the world.

    Because Steve Jobs is a Baby Boomer whose narcissism crossed with Apple Records' narcissism is bigger than even the narcissism of the entire rest of the "Me Generation".

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    1. Re:Jobs' Narcissism by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's a bit more subtle than that. The legal Apple vs Apple thing was resolve a while back, when Apple Computer Inc. bought the trademark outright and became Apple Inc. By this stage, Apple Records had sold all of the rights to anything Beatles related and so were irrelevant.

      Apple Computer was originally named in part as an homage to Apple Corps because Steve Jobs was (and still is, apparently) a Beatles fan. He was somewhat put out when they saw this as trademark infringement rather than a compliment[1]. The ongoing lawsuits were a personal annoyance - as well as a business one - and probably a lesson to Steve about how destructive fanboyism can be (well, you'd hope). Getting The Beatles on iTunes was something he said that he wanted in interviews right back when iTMS launched, but until now the music has not been available for legal download anywhere. This is a personal coup for Steve Jobs - being able to distribute the music from the band that inspired him - and given the current Beatles sales is also probably going to be quite lucrative.

      For the rest of us, it's a pretty dull announcement.

      [1] Which somehow puts me in mind of Tom Lehrer's line: 'Copyright infringement is the sincerest form of flattery.'

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    2. Re:Jobs' Narcissism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Erm, no.

      The Beatles incorporated Apple Corps ("It's a pun" said Paul at the time) as a technology company as well as a record label. Lennon knew somebody who claimed to be able to build a revolutionary new recording system (which never actually materialised) so the articles of association of the company included relevant language to that effect.

      When Apple Computer started up, the Beatles took notice, but agreed to let Apple poach on their preserve as long as Apple kept out of the music business. It is alleged that (for whatever reason) Apple chose to renege on their undertaking. Consequently The Beatles chose to exercise their hard-won right to decide where and by whom their music would be sold.

      The Beatles do not forget a slight: when Sean Penn made the movie "I Am Sam" he wanted to use Beatles songs on the soundtrack. However, in his younger years he had taken part in a movie for George Harrison ("Shanghai Surprise" - remember that?) and during his involvement gave George Harrison a lot of grief. Consequently his request (although it was made after George Harrison's death) was torpedoed by the remaining Moptops and Sean had to use cover versions.

      So this announcement demonstrates the power of forgiveness, the power of Alzheimer's or the power of money, depending on how cynical you are.

    3. Re:Jobs' Narcissism by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      "Technology company" with no technology products in the market does not infringe a copyright of a PC and OS maker. Nor of a record distributor, for that matter.

      Which is why the courts found in that regard for Jobs.

      Jobs signed a contract with Apple Corps back when he had no money, brand or corporate experience. But he got out of it on the legal merits, though only because he had enough money and corporate chops to go to battle with the hoary old Apple Corps.

      Your stories show the power of arrogance to interfere with commerce, especially when it prevents consumers from getting intangible content that some rich and powerful corporation can stall indefinitely. It is the power of money + ego in battle royale. Jobs' sum won.

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    4. Re:Jobs' Narcissism by presearch · · Score: 1

      What hype? Apple puts a 4 inch simple teaser inside one of it's applications, and today presents a classy front page on it's web site. The collection gets a stylish presentation in iTunes, but not much more than any other high profile act. How much collective hype do we get from all of those fly by night 2-cent hip hop acts? Should they have just hidden the downloads away someplace or would your world be a better place if they didn't offer them at all?

      You should be grateful that this gave you all a chance to buff your egos by claiming your superiority over Steve Jobs for all the world to see.

      I've got most of those tracks in my collection, but this still made me smile, especially the free concert video that Apple is streaming. It reminded me of a more innocent and kinder time.

    5. Re:Jobs' Narcissism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's even a bit more subtle than that. The suit was settled sometime in the 80s with the clear agreement that Apple (Computers) would never enter the music business. When iTunes came along more than a decade later, things blossomed again, and ended, as you say, with Apple Computers purchasing the rights from Apple Corp a licensing some of them back to Apple Corp.

  26. Let me explain how the world works. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As it seems the record labels still have yet to figure this out. Weeks ago, I wanted to buy The Beatles albums. I went to iTunes. Nothing. I went to Amazon. CD only. This music I wanted for the road trip I was about to take. The solution? BitTorrent. High quality audio. Outstanding album art. Very little work cleaning metadata. Had this music been available on iTunes then, I would have paid for it.

  27. Great! by NtwoO · · Score: 0, Troll

    Another reason not to use iTunes!! YAY!

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  28. Re:Life is real by lxs · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Last time I spoke with him, he didn't sound too clever. The six feet of dirt between us might have had something to do with that.

  29. Steve Jobs lives in a dream.... by anotheryak · · Score: 1

    Steve Jobs was working, writing the words of his Beatles cat-a-log victory
    part of his Apple Music lawsuit his-tory.
    For years he kept working,
    Buying the rights to those songs while he pulled out his hair
    but now we don't care.

    All the the massive egos,
    Where do they all belong?
    All the massive egos,
    Redmond and Cu-per-tin-o.

  30. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Funny

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  31. You could almost get the vinyl by copponex · · Score: 1

    A decent new turntable with a built-in preamp is only $80. Assuming you already have speakers somewhere, you can head down to your local record store and pick up some Beatles reprints at $10 a pop. It won't give you their whole catalog for under $150, but it will give you the best albums and better sound.

    If you like classic rock, you haven't heard it until you've spun it on vinyl. For music produced after 1995 it's usually useless, since it was cut digitally.

    1. Re:You could almost get the vinyl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, some 30-year-old vinyl from the used record store is supposed to have superior sound to the digital copy? Really?

    2. Re:You could almost get the vinyl by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I bought an $80 turntable with built-in preamp. They're shit. Unless you can turn the volume ALL the way up and not hear white noise hiss, and feel a great fear as you hear the slightest rumble picked up and amplified to a minor earthquake on your speakers, knowing that if you dropped the tone arm now, it would would throw out the speaker cones, you're dealing with shitty high-noise (as opposed to good low noise) audio electronics. Which is what they stick in those 'built-in' turntables. The hiss means you might as well be listening to a cassette.

    3. Re:You could almost get the vinyl by rpopescu · · Score: 1

      Let me start off by saying that I completely agree regarding classic rock (and not only!) and vinyl as the perfect marriage. However you have given out the perfect recipe for a sub-mediocre listening experience in your post. Here's why: - there's nothing decent about a $80 turntable, and you will never get "the sound" out of it. Ever. A decent turntable is $500 and up, for fairly low values of decent, and without a pre-amp (e.g. Technics SL-1200); - all recent Beatles vinyls are made from digital sources, so you get an analogue medium storing a digital transfer (designed for CD production) of an analogue original; there's nothing gained here. Beatles vinyls cut from analogue source in near-mint or excellent condition are quite expensive and not easy to find. Also there's a fair bit of music produced after 1995 (which is by the way a year completely randomly picked) that's been given good analogue vinyl releases, cut from original master tapes without an intermediary digital step. Of course "fair bit" and "music" are subject to personal interpretation.

    4. Re:You could almost get the vinyl by digitig · · Score: 1

      Well, a lot of my old vinyl sounds much better than the digital versions of the same tracks through the same system. It shouldn't be that way, but it is. I suspect it's due to the extreme compression that usually gets applied when the tracks are remastered.

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    5. Re:You could almost get the vinyl by Falconhell · · Score: 1

      The SL-1200 is not a particularly good sound quality turntable. Like all direct drive turntables its wekaness is wow and flutter. It is widely used by modern DJ's due to its ability to reach full speed very quickly when they mix songs.

      High quality belt drive units such as the Linn Sondek are far better.

    6. Re:You could almost get the vinyl by scot4875 · · Score: 1

      /point

      Audiophile!

      Lemme ask you; ever done a double-blind listening test to see if you can really hear what you think you hear?

      --Jeremy

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    7. Re:You could almost get the vinyl by rpopescu · · Score: 1
      This is not a discussion on turntables. I simply pointed out that $80 buys a spinning device of some sort, perhaps, but not a decent turntable, which *starts* at SL-1200; far from me to say that it's the best one available, but it definitely is a very good start.

      I think you might be mistaken about the wow and flutter performance of the Technics, but again, this is not about the SL-1200 (I personally own a high-end ClearAudio paired with a Graham Slee phono stage).

    8. Re:You could almost get the vinyl by rpopescu · · Score: 1
      If you can't tell a vinyl record from a CD in the same sound system you've probably burned your ears away.

      My question is - what do you think I think I hear?

  32. Someone's gotta say it ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... fuck the Beatles.

  33. This affects nothing by Myopic · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yay! Wow, the Beatles are finally available on iTunes! Thank goodness, because nobody has ever been able to listen to Beatles music on their computers. Their refusal to sell their music in one specific outlet has completely prevented all computer users from enjoying MP3 recordings of Beatles songs. Finally, a Beatles song will appear on an iPod for the first time. Finally!

  34. DRM Protected? by steinrr · · Score: 1

    iTunes says "This iTunes LP is only for use on a Mac or PC with iTunes 9 or later." Does this means that Apple are back in the DRM-mud?

    1. Re:DRM Protected? by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      iTunes LP is more than just music files.

    2. Re:DRM Protected? by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      No, it just means that they probably don't have support for iTunes LP in previous versions of iTunes. I believe that most of it is done using HTML and CSS, so unless the content it plays is DRM-encumbered, there's no reason that some one else can't write software to play it back. Apple has posted a development guide, templates, and other information regarding the format.

  35. Public domain by spiffmastercow · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Okay, so here's what I think... The Beatles music should be public domain. As in, it's owned by society as a whole. We're all familiar with it.

    1. Re:Public domain by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      It would be if copyrights were still about the original core reason for copyrights. Unfortunately, they have been twisted into the completely insane version we have today.

    2. Re:Public domain by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      It already is "public domain" if you refuse to abide by the unjust copyright laws.

  36. Is this a joke? by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

    Beatles recordings have been for sale for decades. I don't know anyone who hasn't heard of this band yet.

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  37. iPad multi-tasking, surely you're joking... by Assmasher · · Score: 1

    ...Shirley.

    You can't even create a daemon/service on iOS for iPad or iPhone. How bass-ackwards is that in this day and age? BTW, inevitable Apple fanbois, there's nothing wrong with daemons/services - Apple runs plenty of them on your phone for you already, they just don't let anyone else do it.

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    1. Re:iPad multi-tasking, surely you're joking... by ceejayoz · · Score: 1

      There's nothing wrong with daemons/services - Apple runs plenty of them on your phone for you already, they just don't let anyone else do it.

      There's nothing fundamentally wrong with people in my server room, but that doesn't mean I'm going to let people I don't know in.

    2. Re:iPad multi-tasking, surely you're joking... by Wovel · · Score: 0, Troll

      Thanks for playing. Now put down your Linux for Dummies book and go back to sleep.

    3. Re:iPad multi-tasking, surely you're joking... by Assmasher · · Score: 1

      Well then, I guess you won't be advertising your server room as a place for people to work then, will you?

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    4. Re:iPad multi-tasking, surely you're joking... by Assmasher · · Score: 1

      Steve is that you or just another of your sycophants with their heads stuck up your...?

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    5. Re:iPad multi-tasking, surely you're joking... by ceejayoz · · Score: 1

      People can work there, but only once I've approved them, and if they follow my rules.

    6. Re:iPad multi-tasking, surely you're joking... by Assmasher · · Score: 1

      So, you're not apple, you're better than apple.

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    7. Re:iPad multi-tasking, surely you're joking... by ceejayoz · · Score: 1

      How so?

      Apple requires approval, and background processes are allowed but they can only do certain things that I've permitted.

      My server room requires approval, and people are allowed but they can only do certain things that I've permitted.

    8. Re:iPad multi-tasking, surely you're joking... by Assmasher · · Score: 1

      Apple does not make daemons/services possible for anyone other than Apple. You CANNOT write a daemon/service for a non-jailbroken iPhone/iPad.

      I don't care if they demand the source code for the daemon/service to make sure it doesn't waste CPU/cycles, just make it possible.

      You can already drain a user's battery with their current, poor, approach to multi-tasking on the Touch.

      Heck, Android lets you write services, Symbian, just about every other smart phone OS too, but not Apple...

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  38. It's Gabbo! Gabbo's coming! by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    Well played, Apple. You gabbo'd us.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsnMGVJRE6g
    http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/Gabbo

  39. EPONYSTERICAL by copponex · · Score: 1

    Yeah. If the J-Biebz ever has one song a third as meaningful as any song off of the White Album, I'll buy a hat and eat it.

    The Beatles are like the last generation's Mozart, or this generation's Radiohead. The pushed boundaries, established entire genres with single works, and their music continues to be relevant decades after it was released to people who don't even speak the English language.

    Bieber is another instrument of the music industry. Without ten producers and million dollar ad campaigns, no one would know his name. He will be replaced as soon as the hysteria winds down with another forgettable tween marketing tool.

    The Beatles were artists.

    1. Re:EPONYSTERICAL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought Mozart was a stretch, but throwing Radiohead in there just lost me.

      Mozart was a musical genius-- the Beatles were groundbreakingly clever-- though I would not say they were at the level of Mozart.

      Radiohead just sucks. Is there something I missed?

    2. Re:EPONYSTERICAL by D+Ninja · · Score: 1

      The Beatles are like the last generation's Mozart, or this generation's Radiohead.

      Your comparisons make my head explode.

      Are you really saying that The Beates == Mozart == Radiohead? I like all three artists, but they aren't even in the same ballpark when it comes to the level of musicianship.

    3. Re:EPONYSTERICAL by Draek · · Score: 1

      You do know the whole reason The Beatles were so bloody popular at the time was because they were the first band to use "million dollar ad campaigns", right? they're the Ur Example of boy bands, for God's sake.

      Ahh well, you don't have much to live anyways. You'll be brutally murdered the instant a musician close to you sees you comparing Mozart and The Beatles, and rightfully so.

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    4. Re:EPONYSTERICAL by copponex · · Score: 1

      Not every generation has a Mozart, but I do think the Beatles and Radiohead are as close as you can get in pop music, then or now.

      If you have other suggestions, I'm all ears.

    5. Re:EPONYSTERICAL by old+and+new+again · · Score: 1

      wait are you comparing the Beatles to Radioscraphead? please! radiohead are at best pink floyd wannabes (and they fail miserably)

    6. Re:EPONYSTERICAL by copponex · · Score: 1

      I've worked with musicians for about a decade. They all have their own opinions on matters like this, which I've heard many times, in studios, at shows, or just getting fucked up at barbecues.

      Mozart does not move modern people like Hey Jude. Hell, I can think of hundreds of artists who are more relevant. Ray Charles, the Stones, James Brown, Black Sabbath, Cash, Woody Guthrie... Mozart may have more technical brilliance, but that's not what music is about.

      This is like Bonham versus Buddy Rich, or Hendrix versus Stevie Ray Vaughn. Buddy Rich is in a different universe of technical brilliance, and Vaughn is markedly better than Hendrix, but whose songs do you remember?

    7. Re:EPONYSTERICAL by slim · · Score: 1

      Your comparisons make my head explode.

      Are you really saying that The Beates == Mozart == Radiohead? I like all three artists, but they aren't even in the same ballpark when it comes to the level of musicianship.

      I agree they're unequal, but I have trouble guessing in which order you'd rank them, and I bet it's different from mine.

      Which is telling, right?

    8. Re:EPONYSTERICAL by slim · · Score: 1

      You do know the whole reason The Beatles were so bloody popular at the time was because they were the first band to use "million dollar ad campaigns", right? they're the Ur Example of boy bands, for God's sake.

      I disagree with this. The prototype for the modern boy band would be something from the 50s like The Platters -- all singers (they'd perform with a house band), external songwriters.

      The Beatles broke the mould somewhat by being a commercial band who wrote their own songs.

    9. Re:EPONYSTERICAL by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 1

      "Mozart does not move modern people like Hey Jude. "

      Yeah, Mozart doesn't make me gag, whereas the musical cliche that is Hey Jude does.

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    10. Re:EPONYSTERICAL by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      I'm interested to know in which ballparks they respectively reside, in your opinion.

    11. Re:EPONYSTERICAL by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      SRV's Little Wing and Riviera Paradise.

      Not saying that SRV is in any way 'better' but he started out standing on Hendrix and T-Bone Walker's shoulders (and T-Bone got a leg up from Blind Lemon Jefferson).

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  40. Re-buyers already have it on CD, so why bother? by name_already_taken · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That...doesn't make any sense.

    Having a band like The Beatles on iTunes should send their stock skyrocketing. The amount of money all parties involved are going to make is going to be huge. If there's one band that people rebuy over and over again, it's The Beatles.

    Except that many of their first-generation fans are now retirement age and just don't care to buy it in a new format.

    If those folks had already re-bought it on every new format, then it follows that they already have it on CD.

    Seriously, if you already had something on CD, why would you re-buy it on iTunes?

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    1. Re:Re-buyers already have it on CD, so why bother? by tehcyder · · Score: 2, Funny

      Seriously, if you already had something on CD, why would you re-buy it on iTunes?

      It's digitally remastered, of course.

      Down to a lower level of quality, obviously, but nonetheless digitally remastered.

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    2. Re:Re-buyers already have it on CD, so why bother? by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      You know.

      If they would put out the box sets, more specifically, the MONO remastered box set they did a year or two ago...and put on iTunes in a lossless format, for a reasonable price.

      I'd buy them.

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    3. Re:Re-buyers already have it on CD, so why bother? by macs4all · · Score: 0, Interesting

      You know.

      If they would put out the box sets, more specifically, the MONO remastered box set they did a year or two ago...and put on iTunes in a lossless format, for a reasonable price.

      I'd buy them.

      Do you even have a clue how good 256kbps AAC sounds?

      If you feel like throwing away more than half your storage for audio files (see what I did there?) that not one person in 10,000 could reliably distinguish from the original in blind ABX tests, then by all means go for it.

      Meanwhile, the rest of us will already be enjoying the content BEFORE we become too old to hear the difference, waiting for "the perfect version" to be released.

      Life is a series of compromises. 256k AAC is a pretty small sonic compromise in the overall scheme of things.

      But perhaps for you, what we are REALLY talking about is the compromise your personal mindset would have to go through...

    4. Re:Re-buyers already have it on CD, so why bother? by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "Do you even have a clue how good 256kbps AAC sounds?

      Meanwhile, the rest of us will already be enjoying the content BEFORE we become too old to hear the difference, waiting for "the perfect version" to be released."

      I have a stereo where you can hear the difference my friend.

      And given that...why would I NOT want to purchase the highest quality (lossless) that could be easily available...and rip it to lesser quality formats for environments that are not ideal for listening (car, gym on iPod...etc).

      And come on..storage isn't any type of restriction these days. 1 TB drives are going for under $89 these days. But if I downloaded lossless from iTunes (broadband connection is plenty fast)..I'd burn them on CD or DVD or the like for long term storage as well as for my media computer hooked to the stereo.

      What can I say, I like to get the best version possible of anything I do these days at this point in my life. Why not? It is about quality over quantity.

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    5. Re:Re-buyers already have it on CD, so why bother? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I have a stereo where you can hear the difference my friend.

      No, you don't.

    6. Re:Re-buyers already have it on CD, so why bother? by totally+bogus+dude · · Score: 1

      People who wanted Beatles albums almost certainly already have them as you say... but there's probably a very big market for selling the more popular individual songs, and iTunes is perfect for that.

      As one anecdote, my parents recently started getting into digital music and the whole Apple ecosystem because their new car has an iPod dock and internal storage for digital audio. Their original plan was to convert their old LPs to mp3 but the sound quality wasn't good enough, so they've started rebuying things. Since the Beatles weren't on iTunes, my dad just bought covers of the songs he liked. Not quite the same, but close enough.

      Don't know if he'll buy the originals now they're available, but it wouldn't surprise me at all. I think with a massively popular band like the Beatles, there'd be a huge market for individual sales to people who like their well-known songs, but aren't interested in entire albums.

    7. Re:Re-buyers already have it on CD, so why bother? by hondo77 · · Score: 1

      And given that...why would I NOT want to purchase the highest quality (lossless) that could be easily available...

      So you're saying you already have the CDs, right?

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  41. Good purchase is not repeatable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People like to buy same stuff again because they want to buy good stuff. But no matter how good stuff it is, buying it again is just stupid.

    - Repackaged but essentially same stuff doesn't help.
    - Appealing to collecting hobby doesn't help.
    - Buying it to someone else who's not interested doesn't help.
    - If it's on sale but still costing more than 0$ doesn't help.

    ONLY if previous copy is unusable or missing, only then it's within reason to buy a new one.

  42. BFD by wandazulu · · Score: 1

    The Beatles on iTMS is a great example of holding out too long for some unknown reason; as others have said, anyone who wanted Beatles music on their ripped it long ago from the CDs they waited in line to buy because "the Beatles records are now available on CD!!!!!!!"

    From everything I've heard, it was EMI and the Beatles themselves who apparently either saw no need to have their music available for download, or wanted some insane amount of money that it made it a non-starter. This was probably one of the rare moments where Steve Jobs was chasing *them* to do a deal, and they still held off.

    I fired up iTunes and looked through the albums, mentally checking off the tunes I've been listening to for years on my computer from ripping them from my CDs, and I realize I have no need to purchase anything. Thanks guys, day late and a dollar short.

  43. Well, it would be a world-changing annoucement by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Funny

    If the year was 1965, and we were undercover detectives on the hot rod circuit.

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  44. Re:Life is real by somersault · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I had that same problem with Einstein. Clearly, I'm much smarter than him.

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  45. Disappointing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a disappointment. Thanks Apple. Great job getting everybody's hopes up.
    Next time you tease people with a major announcement, at least let it be something that people will care about - like allowing people to use their iPhones the way they want without having to jailbreak.

  46. Pystar and clones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "He was somewhat put out when they saw this as trademark infringement rather than a compliment"

    cf Pystar and clones

    Jobs is a wanker. He's all "oh, I was just complimenting you!" but when YOU done something HE doesn't like, well, there's no wrath like a Jobs scorned.

  47. Mods: Parent is not a troll. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh come on. that's not a troll.

  48. I thought I was going to remember this day forever by RapmasterT · · Score: 1

    ..but it turns out it's just another overhyped Apple marketing press release.

    If Apple truly thinks that adding 40 year old music to their store is, music that has already been freely available in every conceivable format, is revolutionary...then Apple is truly out of ideas.

    Seriously, is there ANY Beatles fan out there who didn't already own exactly as much Beatles music as they wanted to own? This is just a new way to pay more than you had to pay yesterday, for lower quality and DRM you didn't want.

  49. LAME by Gohtar · · Score: 1

    Worst world changing announcement ever.

  50. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing like stonewalling on a trademark dispute to lose your client 10s of millions in sales.

  51. I will always remember this day.. by Terrasque · · Score: 1

    .. as the day Apple became a parody of itself.

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  52. Lattermost by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

    Speculation ran rampant from the delayed iOS 4.2, to iTunes Streaming to a release of the Beatles catalog on the iTunes store. Well it was the latter.

    You provided a list of three speculations. The proper term for the last item in a list of more than two items would be "lattermost".

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  53. You don't want multi-tasking. by Viewsonic · · Score: 1

    Ever since they put it on my iPod touch, the batteries last a good five hours, if that. Apps run in the background improperly when you exit them. You have to manually close them by hand every time, which is a huge pain. Apple says it's up to the programmers to fix their apps to not processes and drain the battery.

    Problem is, all the apps do this. All of them. If I could find a way to turn OFF multitasking, I would love to. I can't listen to music much anymore because the battery is almost always dead if I forget to charge it every night. I used to go WEEKS without having to charge it, but if I happen to play a game of solitaire and forget to "close" the app, the player is almost dead a few hours later.

    It REALLY stinks.

    1. Re:You don't want multi-tasking. by Assmasher · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, having written both Android and iPhone applications, I can tell you that one OS was intended to run things like services and background processes, and the other was not. Apple likes to blame everyone else for their problems (or claim that everyone else has them), but creating a 'sort of' hybrid multi-tasking methodology of course leads to a problem like this. To be fair, the problem should be alleviated relatively shortly because app developers WILL learn how to live with the iOS shortcomings.

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    2. Re:You don't want multi-tasking. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the other hand, iOS was designed from the start to handle audio well and optimization really well. Given that it's literally impossible for me to port my app to Android because it lacks required features, I'd rather have iOS. That iOS limits multitasking is just a bonus for me -- I don't have to deal with idiots running lots of applications in the background and then complaining about dropouts.

    3. Re:You don't want multi-tasking. by Assmasher · · Score: 1

      Funny, the only thing I find Android lacking in comparison to iOS is DRM...

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    4. Re:You don't want multi-tasking. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could, for instance, compare their audio APIs since I did specifically mention that as something that's lacking in Android.

  54. Fly on the wall by NetNinja · · Score: 1

    Michael Jackson owned the entire Beattles catalog. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall in the negotiations and who entertained the idea of releasing them to Itunes.

    Since Micahel Jackson died with a ton of debit I can imagine the creditors trying to recoupe thier losses.

    So the question I have is, who now owns the entire Beattles catalog?

    1. Re:Fly on the wall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think Apple actually bought the digital rights to the Beatles catalog. So this isn't just news that Beatles songs are for sale at the iTunes store, the news is they own the digital rights and are the only ones that can sell Beatles songs.

      Who still owns the rights to the rest?

    2. Re:Fly on the wall by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 1

      I think Jackson owned a different set of rights. Like, he was able to license songs for use in commercials, but couldn't put them on CDs and sell them that way.

      It's complicated.

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  55. Re:In comparison, I'm more excited... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    About fucking time!

  56. It is called advertising by itsdapead · · Score: 1

    ..but it turns out it's just another overhyped Apple marketing press release.

    The words "overhyped" and "press release" were brought to you in the same sentence by the department of redundancy department.

    AFAIK the "press release" was just a banner ad on the front page of the iTunes Music Store. It was the tech blogs who pumped it up to "Apple about to launch cold-fusion powered holographic iPod with direct-to-brain playback" fever pitch.

    Oh, and I'd asssumed that the "Tomorrow is just another day..." tagline was a play on some Beatles lyrics or other (not that much into them myself) just as the image was a play on a Beatles album cover.

    Mind you - how freakin' much for 40 year-old recordings!!!?

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    1. Re:It is called advertising by RapmasterT · · Score: 1

      AFAIK the "press release" was just a banner ad on the front page of the iTunes Music Store. It was the tech blogs who pumped it up to "Apple about to launch cold-fusion powered holographic iPod with direct-to-brain playback" fever pitch.

      It wasn't the tech blogs who said "Tomorrow is just another day. That you'll never forget", that was apple. THAT was overhyped. THAT was worthy of being placed beside Dean Kamens claim that the Segway would "change the way we build cities" in the "drinking our own kool-aid" marketing hall of shame.

    2. Re:It is called advertising by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      No, it was also the whole homepage of apple.com, apple.co.uk, apple.ca, etc.

      "Tomorrow is just another day" by itself would have been fine. But the hype came from the 2nd line below it: "That you'll never forget".

  57. And apple ripped off Apple Records by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And apple ripped off Apple Records. Then, later, when all the fanbois were screaming for Jobs to get his kit off, they broke the agreement over the trademark abuse and started into the music industry.

    And the same exact fanbois throwing their knickers at Jobs were complaining at Pystar for violations against, uh, sumthin....

    Two faced little hypocrites.

  58. Compact music by AlpineR · · Score: 1

    That line from Men in Black has become so true now. When the movie was made the most compact form of music storage really was the compact disc. For much less physical volume you can now have a 32 GB memory card. With modern sound compression that's enough room for hundreds of albums.

    If you're still lugging around the White Album on CD, it really is time to buy it again.

    1. Re:Compact music by nahdude812 · · Score: 2, Informative

      ...or pop your CD into your computer and use iTunes to create high quality fully-tagged audio files out of it for no additional cost.

    2. Re:Compact music by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      CD's, meh! I've never moved on past vinyl. 'Course, I never listen to them either. You know how many times I played those things back in the '70's and '80's? At best, might pick up Sgt. Pepper's for the kidlet.

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    3. Re:Compact music by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      When the movie was made the most compact form of music storage really was the compact disc.

      Yea, if you ignore all the other options for digital music storage at the time, than yea, it was really just the copact disk.

      Sony would probably disagree with you, as would a couple other manufactures that made products that didn't take off like CDs, but hey, what do facts matter for on slashdot?

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    4. Re:Compact music by johnlcallaway · · Score: 1

      My thoughts exactly.....I've had Beatles on my MP3 player for years. What a non-newsworthy item that iTunes has something that millions of others have had for decades.

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  59. Meh. by torgis · · Score: 1

    Who cares? Anyone from the younger generation who likes the Beatles downloaded their discography years ago. The older generation likely first bought their records, then their tapes, then their CDs. Who is the target market here? I don't know of a single person who was clamoring for this to happen. It's definitely not the epic event Steve Jobs would make it out to be.

    1. Re:Meh. by torgis · · Score: 1

      Unless of course they are counting on all of these boomers to pony up the cash to buy these albums yet again. In which case it's a genius move.

  60. hell no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fck the beatles, fck apple, fck consumerism, ban these sort of things to some site for geek stuff that really doesn't matter. Or give me $150 so I can get my copy of CoD Black Ops,
    I've only been waiting for my mail delivery to show up for about a week, so fck them, and fck you too.

  61. Hooray! by Unka+Willbur · · Score: 1

    Now I get to pay $1.29 to rent "Honey Pie"...until my HD crashes, then I get to do it again! Hooray For Apple(& Apple)!

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    1. Re:Hooray! by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1

      Now I get to pay $1.29 to rent "Honey Pie"...until my HD crashes, then I get to do it again! Hooray For Apple(& Apple)!

      Have you never heard of backups? I hear that they often use CD-R/RW or DVD+-R/RW for that purpose.

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  62. CD .vs. vinyl by ElitistWhiner · · Score: 1

    Introducing iTunes vinyl. Digital downloads preserved with all the accoustic integrity of original vinyl playback in Apple's new vAAC format or something.

    Returning audiophile sound integrity, ditching in-ear deafening buds for real sound scapes, external speakers and headphones with over-the-head cans. Now the World would be different.

  63. YAWN by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

    WHO CARES?

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  64. Buying them again by lullabud · · Score: 1

    That is an interesting point concerning licensing. Compare it with Steam, where you can enter in the serial number for your old copy of Half-life and tada, it's like you had bought it from Steam. You can download it and play it through their service. Too bad we never got a serial number with our original Beatles purchases, like those boxed sets they released last decade.

  65. great, now by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    once and for all: STFU about the Beatles!
    I cannot be the only forty-something effing tired of hearing slavish, obsessive praise of a pop band that broke up forty years ago.

  66. Public Domain? by bornagainpenguin · · Score: 1

    It's much more interesting to know that the Beatles recordings will start entering the public domain in 2012.

    Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha..*chokegaspwheeze*..heh... heh...heh...hehehahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Oh...oh...hehe...heh...heh... Oh!

    Good one! There is no public domain; it is our society's answer to Emmanuel Goldstein ala 1984. Enjoy your serfdom.

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  67. In other news... by sorak · · Score: 1

    In other news, the Beatles also have 13 albums on the pirate bay. People have been long awaiting the day when they could download the Beatles in an electronic format, but now they can. And thanks to the iTunes software, they can now transfer them to their iPhones, iPods, iBetterThenYous, or whatever silly gizmo these soft-headed fanboys prefer. It's a great day for the Beatles, the Pirate Bay, and for News sites that have nothing better to discuss.

  68. Slow news day? by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

    Is anyone else tired of these "copy the press release" stories? I saw this in the paper, I heard it on NPR. Really? This is news? Anyone who wants the tunes of the Beatles on their iPod has, by now, either ripped them from CD or downloaded the MP3s illegally or is too stupid to survive. Do we really need this joint marketing missive from Apple (Corps and Computer) trumpeted to the world when it's just drumming up business for two mega-corps and (the heirs of) some very wealthy musicians?

    And, in the end, who really gives a crap? I've been listening to music for the past forty-plus years. I remember when my older sister bought "Meet the Beatles" and played it ceaselessly for weeks. I liked it. It was good music. They continued to make good music through the early seventies. But that was then. Believe it or not, there have been a lot of people making music since then that is just as good (if not better). By burying yourself in the past, you hold back the future. Move on, people.

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  69. Re:Life is real by WilyCoder · · Score: 1

    ^^^ Seriously? You are saying that because he is dead he was not smart....

    Um, QUE?

  70. Re:"Song of the South" by DocSavage64109 · · Score: 1

    There may be a DVD torrent of the Song of the South floating around. I remember burning a copy for my friend a few years ago, watching it and not really getting why it was band. If I remember correctly, there was an animation in the extras that was somewhat dubious, but that could have been easily trimmed.

  71. Seriously... Life changing? by sxedog · · Score: 1
    Okay for the last time, can anybody tell me how to block Apple stories from Slashdot in My Preferences? I've tried everything, including:

    changing the settings
    logging in and out (I even tried turning it off and then on again...)
    sacrificing my first born
    If this is the kind of stories I get from Apple Tag, I don't need em.

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  72. Lots of bands are overrated by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Just really not my kind of music, I generally have a very diverse taste but their music just doesn't grab me and make me want to listen to it.

    I feel that way about the Beetles, Rolling Stones, Grateful Dead, and a number of other "legendary" bands. I don't hate their music but I don't find it particularly interesting either. The Beetles were and are quite the cultural phenomenon - I get that. I just think their music is rather overrated. Not bad but not amazing either. Personal taste to be sure but I'm pretty omnivorous in my music taste so it's not like I don't like the genre anything like that. I've heard a huge portion of their published music as well so it's not as if I'm unfamiliar with their work.

  73. Floyd by jDeepbeep · · Score: 1

    I think they really wrote the template on how to make rock music that isn't just disposable catchy hits and could be something closer to fine art than just music to dance/get high/get laid to.

    I would also say the same about Pink Floyd (who were recording (with Norman Smith) Piper at the Gates of Dawn in the Abbey Road studios simultaneously to the Beatles recording Sgt. Pepper)

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  74. Backfired in the stock market by Animats · · Score: 1

    Since the announcement, Apple stock has dropped 2%. The markets were unimpressed.

  75. My world didn't change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well after apples big announcement my wold hasn't changed and Ill forget about this in about one day what a waste of time.

  76. Learning Locigal Fallacies on Slashdot! by stewbacca · · Score: 1

    Welcome to Logical Fallacies 101, with your host and moderator, CmdrTaco!

    Let's count the fallacies in just this one sentence:

    So here's hoping that we get that iPad multitasking yet this November.

    I'll start with "Red Herring".

  77. "Gonna have to buy the White Album again" by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty sure that was a reference to MiB.

    I think they also did that joke on Seaquest DSV...

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  78. Underlying musical work copyright by tepples · · Score: 1

    Sound recordings are still subject to the copyright on the underlying musical work, which lasts the typical life plus 50 to 70 years even in those jurisdictions that give a shorter term to sound recordings. In the case of Lennon/McCartney compositions, this copyright belongs to Sony Music and the Michael Jackson Family Trust.

  79. The Beatles' impact on the world by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

    I find their music uninteresting and the hype annoying.

    That's because you're too young to be able to see what an effect the Beatles had on music and indeed, society (actually, societies) in general.

    Yeah, they even appeared on Doctor Who!

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  80. Dulang dulang dulang by tepples · · Score: 1

    George Harrison's All Things Must Pass is worth more than the collective whole of the Beatles catalog, imo

    With or without Harrison's cover of "He's So Fine"?

  81. Before there was Auto-Tune there was ADT by tepples · · Score: 1

    Except the Beatles didn't have to resort to autotune.

    But they did resort to autochorus.

  82. Variety != Quality by sjbe · · Score: 1

    I find it a bit strange that you could find the whole Beatles canon uninteresting.

    Why? Admittedly it is very much a matter of personal taste but there are plenty of very famous bands whose music I find to be quite boring. Sturgeon's Law applies to the Beetles too, even if you like their music. I don't dislike the Beetles, but I wouldn't pay to hear any of their music either. Same with those other bands/musicians I mentioned. I'm more than willing to concede that they are talented but that doesn't mean I should necessarily find their work interesting either. Michael Jordan was by any objective measure a great basketball player but I find the game of basketball boring and him along with it. Nothing personal to him, I just don't like the game. Same with the Beetles. Regardless of how talented they might be, their music just doesn't resonate with me like some other music does.

    The fact that the Beetles did a lot of variety doesn't by itself make any of it good. (note that I'm not saying it is bad, merely that variety != quality) Most good musicians try a lot of different stuff over their careers but most of it remains unmemorable. Nothing wrong with that. I think it is great that they try new stuff but I also don't expect much of it to impress me. Really good music is kind of rare even for very talented musicians working with the genre where they are most gifted.

    Sometimes bands become more popular than their talents as musicians really justifies because being an entertainer is about more than just the music. The Beetles were more a popular culture phenomenon than merely a band and their popularity at times had little to do with them producing amazing music. The stuff they played when they first became popular was often positively banal - "I Want To Hold Your Hand" is a godawful song in my opinion, especially for a title track, but those young ladies screaming on the Ed Sullivan show weren't screaming because the music was so good.

  83. Re:Life is real by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    John Lennon chose the hippie life, he chose some nutbag for a wife, and his songs were never quite as good as Paul's. source.

  84. Re: Anthology series by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe there are some nuggets left, but most of the releasable stuff was put out in the Anthology series.

    That's actually not entirely true. A fair amount of stuff from the series was edited or were poorly-mixed versions from earlier abandoned projects, while some of the material was itself questionable.

    There's at least 4CDs worth of GOOD stuff in the vaults

  85. so Apple is Borging all the other Apples, eh? by andreyvul · · Score: 1

    Jobs is Borging all the Apple x things. What's next, "BananaStation, a subsidary of Apple"?

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  86. Bout TiMe by Kobe2 · · Score: 1

    This is a day I have been waiting for and I am so excited it is here! How can anyone truly not want to listen to the Beatles while being available on iTunes. They clearly couldn't find any other way for them to appear for people to listen to (which didn't make any sense) but now the beatles can finally show people why they were, and are still one of the best bands ever to play on the planet earth!! The beatles effected the society of the world and the world of rock in so many ways, and some people will just not understand. Any person who honestly says how boring they are and uninteresting they are to listen to, seriously need to reevalute their view they have in the music industry, and maybe stop listening to rap all day and actually listen and understand the words that they actually sing. Just don't know how some people can hate on them, but hey, they are one of the best bands to ever play in this country :) "All you need is love" - need I say more?

  87. REDUNDANT by BerryMadness · · Score: 1

    Worst world changing announcement ever.

    Agreed. This article is:

    +1 Informative followed by the...

    +500 REDUNDANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    My apologies for trolling and/or flamebaiting.

  88. eminem sold more than the Beatles? by SlaveToSoftware · · Score: 1

    sigh...

  89. but but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's a Beatles?

  90. This *IS* a Big Deal by dafing · · Score: 1

    Think about it, I'm 23, I have a CRT television set that I may NEVER turn on out of necessity again, I use my 27 inch iMac, my iPod, my iPhone and my iPad for iEverything. I own well over 100 DVD's, all are ripped to my computers hard drive, the thought of touching a disc is laughable to me now :) Since I were about ....13 or so, I'd been able to download music online through P2P etc...over dialup, a REALLY SHITTY quality MP3 could have taken 10+ minutes to arrive...but I did it. I actually enjoy buying music online now, especially when its fast, and Just Works for a fair price.

    One of my favourite new artists is Drake. I have all his "mixtapes" (MP3's with Metatags identifying them as being "from the same album", what were you thinking?) and really appreciate the fairly recent trend of major artists giving away free singles online to build hype. Kanye West and "GOOD Fridays", Swizz Beats and "Monster Mondays" etc etc etc.

    I saw Drake on some American television late night show...at the end, the idiot host held up a box made of plastic, it was ridiculous looking! Flimsy, it could break, the door could snap, the tines that hold the CD inside easily come off, making it useless for holding the disc....just terrible. Overall, it looked CHEAP, a mass produced bit of clear plastic, made in lots of a million, with couple bits of paper stapled together chucked into "the cover slot", yeah, you take the booklet out, you lose "the cover" for the case....

    What a joke! What a low quality, USELESS thing! Who the hell would ever want that?

    Oh yeah. Many older people still buy "home media". I'd been so self absorbed to not consider that *not everyone* buys music through iTunes. I find it hard to imagine people in their 20's not a) downloading Torrents for free b) buying the album for 20 bucks on iTunes, but obviously SOMEONE is buying modern albums on CD.

    I think of my work friends, who are 50+. I got my iPad, and my iPhone before they were sold in my country, I imported them, in the case of my Original iPhone, I jailbroke it, using someone elses software, myself. My work friends were impressed...kinda....that I'd spend so much on a bit of metal and glass (which they probably find ugly, as they are Baby Boomers and can only appreciate shitty, slow old V8's with giant fins etc...), it is meaningless for them. I sit with them every day, for months, playing games on my iPad, using my iPhone, nothing, they dont care.

    THEN, these devices are on television, for no bloody reason, for example, the Russian Prime Minister showed our countries leader the iPad, and BOTH of them eagerly told me "your tablet was on the news last night! The leader of ....", it was a BIG deal for them, they saw it on tv, they didnt give a shit that they sat opposite it, that I offered to explain why THEY should have one themselves....they saw it on TV, and they were INTERESTED.

    How many Baby Boomers are going through a END of life crisis? Who want to "feel young" again? Many may not have "been down" with this "iPod thing", they have no idea what Podcasts are, but now they will see "The Beatles, now on iTunes! Apple, WOW!", and they will WANT TO BUY the albums once more. They'll no doubt feel GREAT doing it too, especially if they go out and buy a new iPod Touch, they'll really feel like they are "in the loop", and with their favourite songs again too.

    Yes, The Beatles on iTunes is not really a big deal for me personally, but I can *understand* that its a major marker in the history of music, of digital downloads being mainstream, of millions of older people, who all have credit cards and cash, willing to pay money for....what may as well be nothing, nothing tangible, but they HAVE their favourite songs again!

    As it seems my generation are so often NOT buying music, and finding "alternative" stuff given away for free, away from "main labels" etc, as the recording industry feels forced to focus on over produced pop, "safe bets", then its a GREAT thing to introduce your product to MILLIONS of people who WILL pay!

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  91. Ignore Apple by RichiH · · Score: 1

    Thankfully, their reality distortion field is starting to break down. To further help with this, when Apple basically announces nothing (after such a teaser), please either mock or ignore them.

    Brought to you by the people who like choice.

  92. You kids get out of my record bin! by smchris · · Score: 1

    Yeah, yeah. I can still remember how excited a guy in my high school class was about them appearing on Ed Sullivan. But geez. When I was a teen, I don't remember having the music of that exciting Roaring Twenties pushed onto me. I feel sorry for kids today. Me, I listen to di.fm trance stream most of the time.

  93. Re:White Album - how many copies do you have by N+Monkey · · Score: 1

    Oh, so now I've got to buy the White Album *again*?

    Well, looking on the bright side, if you already have 8 copies this one would be "Number Nine, Number Nine, Number...."

  94. No more Beatles, ever, PLEASE by scurvyj · · Score: 0

    Is it possible to set up some kind of universal filter so that I never hear anything about the Beatles ever, ever, ever again? And preferably most 60s starry-eyed pop culture references as well?? I'll keep the Rolling Stones, Troggs and Yardbirds, and anything to do with politics that doesn't involve Abby Fucking Hoffman.

    Oh and can the filter remove u2 and bono as well please.