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Michael Moore Posts Julian Assange's Bail
digitaldc quotes Michael Moore in a story running on the Huffington Post where he says "Yesterday, in the Westminster Magistrates Court in London, the lawyers for WikiLeaks co-founder Julian Assange presented to the judge a document from me stating that I have put up $20,000 of my own money to help bail Mr. Assange out of jail. Furthermore, I (Michael Moore) am publicly offering the assistance of my website, my servers, my domain names and anything else I can do to keep WikiLeaks alive and thriving as it continues its work to expose the crimes that were concocted in secret and carried out in our name and with our tax dollars."
How does that help Assange when he was denied bail?
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Even many people on the left hate Moore. Not help I would want.
Nothing but a Publicity Stunt... @)K Really? Thats a Joke for him.. There is no statement or News here Move on..
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Having a successful Hollywood producer with a track record of successfully embarrassing big companies and governments as a supporter can't hurt.
I'm certainly no fan of Assange, but I can't see how being associated with Michael Moore is going to help him or Wikileaks.
Just makes him seem even more like a media whore. Two douches in one box.
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The latest crime I saw leaked by one of the cables was that North Korea lobbied really hard to get The Smiths to perform a concert there or something :)
Michael Moore style drama, sensationalism, and bias meets wikileaks style cold hard data. This should be interesting
I do agree that _all_ governments seem to have gotten a little too used to being able to work in secret.. and wikileaks might just curb some of the insanity by making the question “what if this gets out” a little more real. That said I do think they go a bit far.
Someone tell me the IP address of the website where I see Assange's bail.
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..Micheal Moore actually exposes real crimes carried out by all the unpleasent dictatorships around the world. Though that might require him getting off his fat backside and doing some real investigative reporting and even putting himself in real danger , as opposed to the manufacturered danger he conjures up to keep up viewer interesr on his lame expose films.
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He has crossposted it to DailyKos also -> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/12/14/928855/-Why-Im-Posting-Bail-Money-for-Julian-Assange
Why doesn't Michael Moore just move to a country more to his liking since he clearly hates the one he is a citizen of? Cuba, perhaps?
A lot of people here like this country just the way it is and don't want anyone, Moore, Obama, or anyone else changing it in to something else.
Leave, Michael! You'd be happier, and we'd be happier.
Actually: "The BBC says bail was set at 200,000 British pounds — about $317,000. A number of Assange's wealthy friends appeared in court today to pledge the funds."
So, Moore put up six percent of the bail-- but publically claims he "posted Julian Assage's Bail". Gosh.
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The word Our does not belong there, because in my view there were no crimes carried out. Why does Moore want to include me in his 'Our' without asking me if I want to be part of his group? Does he have a language impediment?
'They exist to terrorize the liars and warmongers who have brought ruin to our nation and to others. Perhaps the next war won't be so easy because the tables have been turned -- and now it's Big Brother who's being watched ... by us!'
I don't see anything changing, really.
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How does that help Assange when he was denied bail?
He was granted bail.
The article says that "a number of Assage's wealthy friends" pledged the $317,000 bail-- the summary is vastly inaccurate saying "Michael Moore" posted the bail.
http://www.geoffreylandis.com
Moore has only posted SOME of the bail money; the title of the article needs changing.
My web domain.
That's probably going to hurt Julian in the long run. Michael Moore is kind of the Rush Limbaugh of the Liberals, and as odd as it is, it seems that the two-party system here has decided that Wikileaks is on the liberal side. So this will only re-enforce that.
I'm still confused why the people that are supposed to be for a smaller government would be nay saying evidence that big government is doing horrible things behind our backs.
shit we are all going to die
I love Michael Moore he is a voice of logic and even thinking in a world full of people who hang off the flag and are lead by the nose by a government who doesnt give two shits about its people against expanding its power and influence over the rest of the world. Sure, he is looking to get shot but it isnt the first time Michael has struck a blow against the establishment and I dont imagine it will be the last.
When you dislike the human race as much as I do, Karma:Bad is inevitable lol.
It's about time that fat demagogue did something besides make shitty documentaries^Wpropaganda films.
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I am not a Michael Moore fan, but he should be lauded for the action. Hopefully others will follow Mr. Moore's lead and take a stand for freedom of speech.
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There are still citizens in u.s. who understand what freedom of speech is, what constitution is ?
that is news to me.
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You do not have to post any actual money when you provide a surety in the UK. You only have to show that you have the sum available and are liable for the sum in the event the (alleged) offender breaches bail conditions in some significant manner. See http://www.yourrights.org.uk/yourrights/the-rights-of-defendants/bail.html for a further explanation.
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youre an american maybe. from the outside, we see moore a hero. maybe its possible that the endless propaganda perpetrated by corporate owned mass media have twisted you american people's views about moore, just as it twisted your views about wikileaks.
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Michael Moore seemed like a reasonable man to me... before this.
Assange was excited about posting the documents for quite some time, but when he was busy doing so rather than reporting to those same police he was "not cooperating with police." Why is this any different?
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Mr. Moore falls prey to a common mistake in ethical reasoning. He says that the actions of certain states are "carried out in our name and with our tax dollars". Politicians are not anyone's agents in a legal or ethical sense, regardless of whether some of us choose to participate in the exercise in legitimacy-creation known as 'voting'. If they claim to act in "our" behalf, they are making the same mistake Moore makes, or (more likely) they are liars. Once my taxes are confiscated under threat of violence by the state, I have no ethical responsibility for how they are spent, and no standing to complain. If I am waylaid by a highwayman, and later monitor his spending habits and discover that he is using some of his funds to commit immoral acts, do I whine or hang my head over my imagined guilt? Hardly.
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Last I checked, Ron Paul is not a liberal.
so this is different from fox news, all the corporate news channels, how ?
it isnt. so, if thomas jefferson came and tried to impress you with the idea of freedom, not letting just the evidence speak for itself, then he would be a douche, and you would be negative towards freedoms ?
give me a break.
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If would be sweet, sweet irony if it turns out that Wikileaks has something on Michael Moore, like that's he a paid corporate shill, or that he has an account on iheart12yoldboys.com. /just sayin'
...but to me Michael Moore is way more relevant than you are.
Sorry for being so frank.
He seems to put his money where he shouldn't...
http://michaelmoore.com/
Whereas Assange and Wikileaks release the pure facts, Moore makes his money distorting the truth.
Journalist John Pilger and socialite Jemima Khan are putting up $31,600 surety each, with bail set at $380,000. It looks like enough people like Michael Moore have guaranteed the bail money as he has been bailed pending appeal (the prosecutors have 2 hours to appeal). He should be released by the end of the day.
He has had his passport confiscated, been electronically tagged, is under curfew and house arrest during the evenings, and must report to the police station every day. This is fair enough, it is no different to any other offender afaik. Certainly not the Guantamo Bay scenario he has had the past week, with "absolutely no access to any electronic equipment, no access to the outside world, no access to outside media" and no correspondence allowed.
The fast tracking through political influence, and the imprisonment for an as yet unfounded allegation in a foreign country, is a blot on our country's record, but it's good to see our strong and mostly fair legal system reassert itself after a short delay.
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A perfect storm of conserva-rage is brewing!
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
apparently ANYone who upsets american right in some way, end up either as douchebags, or asshats. or some other derogatory adjective. without fail.
im not wondering about general american public. they may be too under the influence of mass media to begin with and sheepish, like the public in many countries of the world.
but, im wondering why some of the people who use slashdot, which is a place for the i.t. related life and people, are not able to stop for a moment and think 'hey, im thinking that anyone who upsets the established order is an asshat. there is something wrong with this' ?
i.t. requires more cognitive power than other fields of life. its mandatory that you have some cause-effect perception and rationalization ability to even work in it. yet, i see some people constantly iterating the same behavior pattern here, over and over, without thinking that they have been conditioned to do so.
has cognition no effect on political views ?
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I agree with you, but most people won't for the same reason that they make this mistake in ethical reasoning in the first place. Most people don't see elections as an exercise in creating the illusion of legitimacy. They don't see elections as a charade put on by the ruling classes to sucker the ruled. Likewise, most people do not understand that politicians and bureaucrats are no better than street muggers or highwaymen. Most people don't understand that the only difference between the Mafia and the government is that the government spends much more on propaganda and indoctrination.
It should come as no surprise that most people identify with the politicians who rob and subjugate them, and refuse to understand that taxation is nothing but a socially-sanctioned form of robbery. Stockholm Syndrome is a bitch.
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Michael Moore lies. He lies big, small, directly, and by omission. Michael Moore and the truth aren't even in the same zip code.
Did YOU do anything useful in your life?
It's about time that fat demagogue did something besides make shitty documentaries^Wpropaganda films. by Lilith's Heart-shape (1224784)
on Tuesday December 14, @12:04PM (#34547780)
See subject above and go fuck yourself you scumbag. It's obvious you're part of the clique of outright criminals who have served to ruin the united states at the expense of the working public's tax monies. Getting "fat and happy" over there while you and yours rob, pillage, rape, and steal from the USA? Enjoy it, while you still can, because it's all coming to a screeching halt for pigs like you.
I'd mod you up if I hadn't already posted in this topic. Really, the only things you should say to a police officer are the following:
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Moore is not making documentaries, he's making propaganda/entertainment pieces. His presentation is not factual, it is slanted to tell a story he wants. Now that's fine, nothing at all wrong with that, however if you see him as a hero, well that just says that you aren't well informed on the issues. Not surprising, the world is complex and most people, Americans or otherwise, don't care to spend time to learn about all the shades of gray involved in something but there you go.
If you buy in to his version of the healthcare situation or the Iraq war or any of that all that speaks to is your lack of information on the matter. The reality is far different, far more complex, than the story he wishes to tell.
If Assange goes missing and Moore puts on another 90lbs, I think we can chalk this up as the most expensive Take-Out meal ever
Those that bag Michael Moore and Julian Assange have probably achieved nothing themselves, save lead mundane lives.
I note a post above referred to Mr Moore as a "fat demagogue".
Those that achieve must do something these posters will never do, they must stick their head up and speak their mind. There will always be some ready to scythe down the tall poppy.
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There does seem to be allot of FUD attached to his person mainly due to people wanting to discredit him. by patjhal (1423249)
on Tuesday December 14, @12:03PM (#34547768)
The "powers that be" that are at the source of what's happening to Julian Assange (and M. Moore at times). Simply because those 2 expose are who is doing bad things out there, and it's the "wealthy and powerful", no questions asked. It's the "how" of how they got wealthy - through dishonesty and general scumbaggery. That's the source of the attempts at discrediting both of them. It's very obvious. Too obvious in fact.
That's the problem with the dolts at the top: They got there by backstabbing and such tactics as you see now happening to Assange, and it shows you, that that's ALL they know how to do.
People, whatever you do? Anytime you see anyone who is threatening to blow the lid off the shenanigans that the powers that be do?? You get this, exactly this!
(Either frame up jobs like Assange's "rape charge" (give us a break - you can't rape the willing), or, "he's crazy" or other types of attempts at discrediting them))
It's transparent and easily seen through, everytime.
So, above all else - Question things you see in the media by all means and dig into them so you get the REAL story (this is the great part about the internet and what the powers that be hate - they can't control it, like they could every newspaper in the USA is why. It's too big to control and international viewpoints from overseas lend to this also. Keep informed.)
The "powers that be" that are at the source of all this grief on earth lately? Imo, their day is coming, and their games which you and I and every other U.S. tax paying citizen are funding? Coming to a screeching halt, and it's largely due to guys like M. Moore or Julian Assange informing the public on the thievery and dishonesty of "the powers that be" (the wealthy/banks in other words).
>> Nutjob and liar. What a great combination. It is a shame because he tackles issues that do deserve some attention, and then he invalidates the discussion his his bullshit.
Given the lies/half-truths by governments and corporations revealed from Wikileaks, it's only fair we fight fire with fire.
I am not one usually to complain about titles or editors or any of the other Slashdot memes, but this title is a crock of shit. How misleading can it get? Not only did he not post Assange's bail, he didn't even offer the full amount!
Given the importance of the headline in advertising the story, I find it a piss poor and inane choice.
My two cents.
First good thing Michael Moore has ever done.
so Michael Moore did not pst Assange's bail, he posted part of it.
I've read the cables. I've not seen anything in them that could even be misconstrued as American diplomats committing any crime, unless it is the crime of being snarky, or the crime of doing your job, which is to advance the diplomatic agenda of the United States.
The release of the cables has been a black eye for US diplomacy, no doubt, as the cables were written for a specific, very small audience. The cables have done more to embarrass foreign governments and foreign politicians than the ultimate embarrassment caused to the State Department.
Moore is a blowhard sensationalist egotist. His opinion should matter no more to you than Bill O'Reilly (who is another blowhard sensationalist egotist.)
We won't even mention the name of the other sensationalist blowhard egotist here.
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* those who can count
* those who can't
2. Assange is also one of the douchey-est asswipes I have ever heard of. What he did to those women may not have been rape by any american legal definition of the word, but he is still the kind of loser I would warn my sister and niece away from (of course that doesn't say much about the two loose women that slept with him either.).
3. Moore is also a fairly douchey, even if he often supports moral causes, he tends to do so rather unethically. Moore and Asasange make a good pair and they should help each other out.
4. It releaves me of the nagging thought that I should help out Assange with cash. I mean, he may be a total douchey asswipe, but he shouldn't go to jail. The morons calling him a terrorist need to get a grip. Terrorists KILL people they hate. When all you do is print/publish/write crap about people you hate it is called being the "loyal opposition". If we could get Bin Laden to stop trying to kill us and only publish our nasty secrets, that would be a huge victory.
So I am pretty happy about this situation. One nasty person helping out another nasty person that was falsely accused, so that I don't have to do it myself.
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I learned something recently about this. If you don't talk to the police, they will try to coerce you. Remember, they can hold you for 72 hours without filing charges. So, if you don't talk to them, expect to be arrested, booked, spend 12 hours in holding cells, held in jail with convicted criminals until they finally choose not to file charges against and release you. Bail is so high its impossible for non-celebrities to pay. Even bail bonds cost you 10% and that's a fee. I spent 3 days in jail vs paying $5,000 bail bond (on $50k bail). It was an educational experience. I was exercising my civil rights and for that I was treated like an animal. Hand cuffed, strip searched, DNA scanned. Jail is so dehumanizing.
It's curious how Americans, particularly the American right-wing, describe Moore as a propagandist but still believe the American government, military, and corporate behemoths are creditworthy sources. Moore's portrayal of the Iraq War is much more accurate than the Bush administration's. For example, Americans eagerly swallowed bullshit claims about WMDs, aluminum tubes, Nigerian yellowcake. But when Moore points out these lies and the media's complicity in spreading them, the media calls Moore a propagandist. Unfortunately, most people (in America but also everywhere else) have neither the capacity or the inclination to critically examine the dominant media narratives.
It's the same thing with Wikileaks. People just don't want to hear the inconvenient truth. It's not comforting to know that one's government is lying to you and is, for example, engaging in a covert war in Yemen. They would rather have Assange prosecuted so they could maintain the myth of an honest, well-meaning, responsible American government that fights for freedom and human rights.
Attention Whore Moore strikes again.
The basic problem with Michael Moore is that he has only one true agenda - that is the promotion of Michael Moore. He is willing to sacrifice integrity and the truth in order to make himself look good and others look bad.
Whilst not everything he says is wrong per se - for instance his call to the ordinary citizens of the USA to join and take over the running of the Republican and Democrat parties - almost everything he does is self-serving.
In fact, he's rather similar to one Julian Assange and will probably end up in jail with him should he follow up on his stated aim to post some of the WikiLeaks documents on his own website.
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"Michael Moore falls prey to a mistake in ethical reasoning by failing to expound that taxation is immoral as well as the rest of my trite ideological drivel."
Like his movies, Michael Moore did this for attention and free press and nothing else. Besides, he would have just spent it on fast food anyway.
His movies are nothing but the editing of an already trashy piece of surprise/attack "interviews". Michael Moore does not make "Documentaries", he makes "Mockumentaries". You cannot take something someone said, play it our of context, and then call it a fact- or, in his case, don't actually a "call" it a fact so he can avoid slander charges, but make the assumption enough time so the sheep in his audience buys it.
This guy is not news any more than the "celebs" who set up fake "photo shots" with paparazzi.
Yea, I posted as A/C not just to save my karma, but because I have no desire to have my name associated with anything to do with that piece of white trash.
Really? Someone found insightful, his review of a film he never saw?
Really? Someone found insightful, his interpretation of 9/11 events that the president didn't need to be involved?
Really? Someone found insightful, that the 7 minutes he spent reading "my pet goat" he could have been giving executive decisions (assuming he had the cognitive capability of doing so), getting military aircraft airborne, and basically *actually running things* instead of looking like a deer caught in headlights?
Really? Someone found insightful that the poster hasn't offered a single fact, nor any material to back up *any* of his claims?
Moderators, please get your act together.
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
While the assistance with the bail is neat, the real story here is that Michael Moore has said he will be lending support in regards to the online availability of the WikiLeaks content.
If he follows through on that promise, then I believe that will be very beneficial for WikiLeaks, as they're starting to need help in this area (given that their service is getting cut by all these different institutions).
As a libertarian, former conservative Republican, I support this move by Michael Moore and I cannot believe I'm saying this. One thing I have come to realize over the past 25 years is that the GOV does not care about you. You are a number, a tax, a burden. The more freedoms (power) they can take away, make you dependent on them, the better in their eyes.
If this WikiLeaks has illuminated anything it's that Gov is not trustworthy & your information is a download away to be dumped on the Internet for everyone to see ie Healthcare information.
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Having Michael Moore bail you out of jail is like having George W. Bush put up capital for one of your business enterprises.... if you weren't being thrown into a very unflattering bucket before, you sure as hell are now.
Wikileaks serves a vital purpose and serves it well... having protection for whistle-blowers is crucial when dealing with the world's largest governments and corporations. It and other entities like it should and will continue to exist. Two important points:
1) The majority of the crap Wikileaks has released isn't blowing the whistle on anybody or anything... it offers a glimpse of things we usually don't get to see, exposes the private thoughts of diplomats we all logically knew they had, and reveals a bunch of information that doesn't specifically cause any harm except to damage America's reputation and ability to interact with international peers.... most would agree the latter is an intended goal of the site and it's supporters.
2) Julian Assange tried very hard to be the rock star, the cult of personality, the grand poobah and resident hero for masses of naive counter-culture conformists and misguided contextual anarchists. While he can't be prosecuted for disseminating the information from Pfc Dumbass, he should be prepared to deal with the constant harassment that accompanies such an overt action against the big bad US government and associated allies. Don't ask to be famous if you can't handle the stalkers.
In the end, Wikileaks is growing (or has grown) beyond a free and open whistleblowing site promoting the freedom of information and into an amorphous blob of disenchantment with a political agenda and a massive ego. As with Michael Moore several years ago, I see WL's value as a counterbalance but have grown exceptionally tired of hearing about it and kind of wish it would take its assclownery elsewhere.
-They're moving prisoners out of Guantanamo to foreign prisons.
-Under reporting deaths in Afghanistan. It's not going nearly as well as they've said it has.
-Strong-arm tactics regarding the Copenhagen Accord. Spying, bribing, threats, and cutting off millions of dollars to Ecuador and Bolivia. Politics as usual, sure, but it's still corruption.
-Shoving US-style IP laws down Spain's throat.
-Diplomats know that the Saudi Arabians are the primary donors to Al-Queada. Aren't they an ally? Isn't our "strong military presence" in the area supposed to stop that sort of thing?
-The CIA pressured Spain into dropping investigations into the killing of José Couso, a Spanish journalist, in Iraq by American troops.
That's, you know, our government doing horrible things of various levels. There's a BOATLOAD of details about others doing horrible things. For example:
The Shell Oil Company claimed it had inserted staff into all the main ministries of the Nigerian government, giving it access to every movement of politicians. Ann Pickard, then Shell's vice-president for sub-Saharan Africa boasted that the Nigerian government had "forgotten" about the extent of Shell's infiltration and was unaware of how much the company knew about its deliberations.
Michael Moore's body of work equates to a joke level quantity of monumental stupidity. The man has a political bias as large as his backside, but worse, he's not even very good at presenting his bias. HIs movies are garbage, and although they make make some points, these are often obliterated by his idiocy and institutional lying. I fundamentally object to the idea that you are going to uncover your political opposites who have 'lied' by presenting a pack of munmental bullshit wrapped in lies.
And yes, I'm a Brit. His painting of the UK NHS system - and the icons and artwork and pictures were obscene level lying that were unforgivable.
There is this pathetic peddled view posted around on the interent about this 'theory' that Americans are more stupid, and badly led than say Europeans, and others. They paint this false painting of their moral stupidity. Its one I happen to disagree with Americans are not all stupid red necks and so on. But one qualification for being quantified as pathetically stupid and painfully gullable is to go to a MM movie and come out the other side thinking something you just saw has some form of value.
As for Assange - Nothing more than an opportunist shithead who's fundamental driver is to make a stack of money. And he really does not care who he shits on. Has this piece of shit given Manning some money yet? As for Manning, don't really care what others think. He deserves whatever he is going to get.
As for the people like Pilger hanging around Assange, no real surprise there. Pilger stinks out any city block he happens to be in. Nuff said.
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That is one of the things that annoy me. People presume if you don't believe what Moore has to say you believe what the government has to say. Ummm, no. Both have agendas, both are colouring the truth. The reality of the situation is far more complex than either wants you to believe. Disbelieving one does not mean believing the other. The world is not black/white, left/right, etc. It is complex shades of gray. I do not subscribe to the "You are on one side or the other, with us or against us!" mentality. However I also do not think Moore is making any useful contributions. His spin is no more useful than the government's.
And what the hell is it about big-government cheerleaders that makes them automatically dismiss anything a libertarian can possibly say, even though libertarians have no shortage of insight and sensible ideas that just happen to challenge the status quo?
(You're terrified of change, aren't you? How cute.)
...to ask him him these damn questions? Seriously, are there no phones in Sweden? Isn't that why we invented phones, so we wouldn't have to scream over long distances, or make long trips to talk to someone? Pick up a damn phone, call the prison, and ask him these "pressing" questions, then let him go. I thought Sweden was in such a hurry to ask him something? Or am I making too much sense?
Furthermore, although there are theoretically rules governing what cops can do, in practice they can get away with a lot of gross violations of your civil liberties.
For example, in order to search your car, consent is great, but if a cop sees something that "looks like drug paraphernalia," he gets to search your car for free. I've heard of an example where an upside-down frisbee was used to claim evidence of cocaine use.
Guess what? If the cop then finds something, it is easy enough to just claim to have seen the true contraband. Unless you have strong evidence to the contrary, if it comes to court, you're screwed (unless you're rich enough to spend a lot on a legal defense).
This power from cops goes even further. They can beat you if you are "resisting arrest," and unless someone tapes the whole incident, you're screwed.
If they see you driving and don't like the look (or color) of your face, they will find a reason to pull you over. A lawyer friend of mine told me stories of riding with a cop in a car and learning how they could find a "legitimate" reason to pull over every single car.
So, think very, very carefully before pulling a self-righteous stance in front of a cop.
pragmatically. I look at all of his films as a starting point for the discussion. They make it very easy to engage people over the topic he's talking about. NOW, I don't trust any of the facts he presents in his films. I do my best to fact check everything he says, and find out how much of his stuff is BS that I need to throw out the window.
Americans more than any other country, and Canada is now coming close behind suffer from beaten spouse syndrome... You love your country, really your country is good. Just when your country gets angry it takes it out on you and so you cant stand up to your country you dont dare tell your country that its wrong. You obey your country because you love it so much, and you fear the reprisal for standing up for what you may or may not know is right.. People blindly follow a flag oblivious to the governments who hide behind their pretty colors same with Canada I love this country but its quickly tagging on behind the good ol US like a kid trying to be popular by hanging out with the arrogant high school jock.. Agreeing and giving concession just to try and fit in. It makes me sick Canada has slipped so much in the last few decades from being the FREE country that I know and love. The US gov. has sadly made it so the US is looked at with hostility across the world even though each countries people are good, honest and hard working.. People often dont see that and paint the countries people with the same brush as they paint their governments... yes i am negative, and yes people have made me that way. This is my opinion I could be wrong.
When you dislike the human race as much as I do, Karma:Bad is inevitable lol.
So people in jail are all innocent ?
Despite, of course, having been proven guilty to the satisfaction of a jury of their peers (or at least an independent judge). I mean, you can make the point that there are a few innocents in jail, yes, but you're going very, very far indeed.
Nitpicking, but prison usually where convicted people are placed. Jail is a holding place for people that are have been arrested or people that have been given short term sentences. Depending on the arrest/conviction ratio of wherever you live, you could say that most people in jail are innocent.
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Michael Moore, in directly supporting a terrorist, you finally prove that you really do hate America.
Excellent post.
Michael Moore agrees with your message and your methods.
I got disgusted with him after watching a part of Bowling for Columbine where he went to the Shopko (or some other store) where the assailants bought bullets. He then proceeded to badger one of the cashiers at length, insinuating that they bore responsibility for those murders because they sold bullets. That was when I was done with Michael Moore forever.
YouTube link of the interview you're talking about, note that the woman featured is K-Mart's Director of Media Relations, not a cashier, big difference.
You call that "badgering"? Moore appears to be calmly asking questions, not being aggressive and harassing. Shouldn't a professional Director of Media Relations be able to handle a man calmly asking questions? What about this clip is so outrageous?
I guess the main takeaway here is that Michael Moore is ALSO an annoying punk who likes to poke finger in the eye of the establishment and stir things up.
Also Michael Moore is very good at what he does, whether or not you think he is a higher life form than pond scum.
Fitting he should post bail.
Assange should head for a non-extradition country and keep his head down because he will shortly become very "accident prone".
Flappinbooger isn't my real name
...spend 12 hours in holding cells, held in jail with convicted criminals...
Holding cells are for people awaiting trial or hearings. Convicted criminals are sent to prison.
One of our competitors trademarked the term "hypothesis". From now on, we will call them "boneheaded ideas".
It is interesting to watch the development of this story. Firstly, the leaks were properly reported on. However, now, even as leaks are being continually released, the story is insensibly shifting into one of the personal drama of Assange. I just read a posting about US diplomats musing about the possibility for a coup in Nigeria in response to increased costs of operation to Shell Oil. And do we see any mention of this in the major newspapers? This cannot simply be about the mythical "limited attention span" of the public. The material in the cables is simply not being emphasized or covered with any degree of vigor. I can imagine a day in the not too distant future when shocking disclosures in cable leaks will not warrant any mention on the part of the media. It will be "yesterday's story". Thus we are played.
This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when first he appears as a protector - Plato (423 to 327 BC)
First and foremost, we didn't know for sure whether Iraq had WMD's or not. The Iraq government, at the time, did not give the inspectors full and unfettered access to wherever they needed to go to check on just that issue. That was a violation of the Cease Fire (not end to the war, but rather a cease fire with conditions). The cease fire conditions were repeatedly violated. We went back in to finish the first war over those issues. Despite the public facing propaganda saying they "had" the weapons. By the way, we really don't know for sure where all of the WMD's we know they had (poisonous gas, for example) went to. They just disappeared.
But well...don't let facts get in your way of hating the flag. Blind fealty to a false belief if pathetic.
...a large number of Republicans had huge aneurysms that day.
What a perfect storm, Michael Moore bailing out Julian Assange.
I mean I couldn't make that shit up if I tried.
Even though I know he was not given bail, and Moore is a known media whore, I still laughed my ass off.
Simply amazing. WikiLeaks has made it abundantly clear that the 5th estate is not working in our best interests anymore, the media in the general sense has simply become a tool. By feeding us a special blend of half truth, fear and innuendo our attention is kept where it is needed most, on Miley Cyrus smoking a bong and Jon and Kate's divorce. WikiLeaks has unearthed more truth in a month than the rest of the worlds media has since the Pentagon papers in the 70's. Now, in a simply dazzling show of both confidence and obfuscation the media( both left AND right leaning) have reframed whats occurred. You will note that not one gov't or media agency is disputing that the facts presented by WL are all true. Instead of a discussion on why the gov't and media are working in concert to keep the citizens in the dark and fed lies at a level not seen since Nazi Germany, we are treated to discussions on Julian Assange's sex life and dating history. We are invited into a discussion about a sexually frustrated Army private (the privates' privates!) and then told that this man is a terrorist for telling us the truth! We debate freedom of information acts, Federal espionage acts, and extradition law, all the while moving farther and farther away fromthe end result of all of this will simply be the status quo. The discussion we so badly needed to have as a populace and the moral outrage that should be absolutely simmering across america has been rendered inert and impotent by a reframing of what actually occurred. sigh.....
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This is the same guy who has insinuated that George W. Bush is pals with Osama Bin Laden and specifically sent too few troops into Afghanistan to make sure Bin Laden escaped and wanted to keep his Taliban friends safe.
Do you have a citation for these claims? From what I remember of the movie, the points you refer to are:
The Bush/Bin Laden family and business connection stuff is documented fact. The President's special "fly" approval enabling the Bin Laden's to leave the U.S. immediately after the 9/11 attacks is documented fact. The decision to send fewer than 30 soldiers to pursue Osama, when they knew (or claimed to know) where he was, is documented fact. What is so outrageous about Moore's statements here?
Quite interesting
A thank you to Mr. Moore for helping Julian. Perhaps these two gentlemen should be considered for a Nobel Peace prise.
Well if we are going to nit pick...
The two are not mutually exclusive. Many of the people in the holding cell may be repeat offenders and may have been convicted in the past. The statement is valid.
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By people: all individuals in the US do you love, including all people from Georgia to Alaska, Hawaii to Virgin Islands ?
Then you love your government as they are run by individuals (the federal and state governments must be tens of millions of people including politicians).
But you say you hate government ...then you are inconsistent or illogical.
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Many of the people in the holding cell may be repeat offenders and may have been convicted in the past. The statement is valid.
The guy sitting next to me on the bus may have been convicted in the past.
That statement is valid too!
One of our competitors trademarked the term "hypothesis". From now on, we will call them "boneheaded ideas".
If I hacked into Michael Moore's computer, and then found and leaked a lot of embarrassing private material revealing Moore to be a hypocritical douche bag, and then I got arrested for this, would Michael bail me out of jail?
Of course I wouldn't need his bail money cause there would be a million or so other people ahead of him, but -- you know -- just asking.
There is one serial-attention-seeking never-has-been too many. We could cope with Lasagne as an unknown quantity, but Moore will put off a lot of potential supporters. He undeniably colours anything he weighs into. Here in the UK we have the Guardian (a left-wing arts rag that pretends to be a newspaper), and the BBC (online and TV version of the Guardian). They'll love this. Shame.
Yeah so? I ate a banana for lunch is also a true statement.
Btw, there is a higher chance that the guy in a Jail cell is a convicted criminal than a guy on a bus... not that it matters much
You needed to be a UK resident to provide a surety in the UK? I don't think Mr. Moore is a UK resident, but don't know. Anyone got any insight?
Moore did not post his bail! He only volunteered a tiny fraction of it, if they want it.
CHRIST. It's bad enough Moore is just capitalizing on Assange's problems to get his name out in the limelight again, but is it necessary for Slashdot to carry the misleading headlines like mainstream media does??
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Good for him to be publicly putting some of his money where his mouth is, rather than just talking about it. Granted, celebrity activism can often devolve into imperfect PR stunts.
I listen to both RIAA and non-RIAA stuff if I like the music, tangential business/politics nonwithstanding.
I recall some MAD article pointing out that Moor and Limbaugh are both big fat partisan gasbags (in the context of saying that each side theirs is better thna the others)
I listen to both RIAA and non-RIAA stuff if I like the music, tangential business/politics nonwithstanding.
His Canadian Bacon film had noticeable political undertones, but was in large part an enjoyable comedy rather than a rant.
I listen to both RIAA and non-RIAA stuff if I like the music, tangential business/politics nonwithstanding.
Refugees viz Albert Einstein & H1Bs viz Linus Torvalds contributed to the prosperity of America.
Talented Americans should now emigrate and contribute to the rest of the world.
Govt must constitute a panel to rewrite US Constitution and Quran
The world is full of crazy people. Micheal Moore is one of them....
He's one of a slew of celebrities who have offered up bail for Assange. Why is his offer more significant than any of the other (predominantly British) celebrity supporters who attended the hearing and offered equivalent sums, or the club-owner whose offer of residence was instrumental in overturning the judge's initial bail decision?
I don't mean to rant, but this is an egregiously US-centric summary of a distinctly international case. At least Mr. Moore himself had the decency to mention some of the others (Ken Loach, John Pilger, writer Jemima Khan) in his post - can't Slashdot give the same courtesy?
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Your an idiot. People on trial are in general population at a jail. If you are convicted, you don't necessarily go to prison - at least in Colorado. If your sentence is under one year, then you go to jail. Of course, since you are being so general, I know that is what you meant.
Oh BTW (wake up people): You all should watch this movie: America: Freedom to Fascism by Aaron Russo. Today dollars (papers with some numbers on it) are worthless because dollars have NOT worth any gram of gold! You can print your own dollars like in some MidEast/East Asia countries (you need good color laser printer and good scanner - that's all).
Recipes for USA bankrupt - http://tinypaste.com/0d66f dd = dollar deluge (printed in the infinity)
"I saw an opportunity to troll you and get you out of the woodwork.." - by gmhowell (26755) on Monday December 13, @06:56PM (#34541134) Homepage Journal
FROM -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1907528&cid=34541134
and here also from that same exchange/thread:
"I never denied trolling you. And the only person I troll under the AC banner is tomhudson." - by gmhowell (26755) on Tuesday December 14, @01:55AM (#34543612) Homepage Journal
FROM -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1907528&cid=34543612
No denying it, is there, gmhowell? After all, your own quoted words in black & white with the links you posted them in are difficult to deny now, aren't they? LMAO!
You're very stupid.
People: Don't pay this trolling douchebag gmhowell any mind, he's an incompetent out of work ignoramus who has nothing better to do than admittedly troll others here and he admits to it above in his own words quoted no less.
(Payback's a bitch, and nobody's a bigger beyotch than gmhowell, the trolling scumbag waste of life).
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This isn't true.
I was held for over 72 hours before seeing a judge, after being arrested for suspicion of terrorism. I was never charged. After I saw the judge, he reaised bail on one charge and set bail on another. The judge decided to keep me locked up for at least 60 more days for the prosecution to come up with charges, with the possibility to extend after that. The bondsman was 15%, not 10%.
All of this was supposedly within the law, according to my lawyer.