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Should the Next 'Doctor Who' Be a Woman?

Hugh Pickens DOT Com writes "Jennifer Finney Boylan writes in the NYT that for those who did not get beaten up in high school, 'Doctor Who' is a beloved British sci-fi series about a character called the Doctor who is able to regenerate into a new body whenever a mortal would die or whenever an actor grows tired of the gig. The Doctor has been played by 11 different men since the show went on the air in 1963 and with Matt Smith, stepping down this Christmas, many fans had hoped that this time, a dozen cycles in, the Doctorship would finally go to a woman. 'Maybe it was the election of Barack Obama that made it seem, fleetingly, as if there were no more glass ceilings, for offices from president to pontiff,' writes Boylan. 'Whether the 45th president is a woman (Hillary Rodham Clinton?) or a Latino (Marco Rubio?), it still feels, on a good day, as if we've entered a time when there are fewer limits on what men and women can aspire to.' But unlike presidents or popes, we may not get that many more chances at a glass-shattering Doctor. According to long-held Doctor Who mythology, the character's 13th regeneration could be his last. 'As the producers think about whom they want to take on the role next, they should keep in mind the way people's hopes are lifted when they see someone breaking the glass ceiling, even when it's for something as seemingly trivial as a hero on a science-fiction program. Equal opportunity matters — in Doctor Who's universe as well as our own.'"

772 comments

  1. Really? Political correctness? by gelfling · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why not a vegan tranny black lesbian Muslim in a wheelchair?

    1. Re:Really? Political correctness? by JosKarith · · Score: 2, Funny

      They wouldn't be able to do all the running involved...

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    2. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stairs.

    3. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's what they said about daleks and stairs. Didn't stop them.

    4. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SRS on Reddit, is that you?

    5. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if I say that the wheelchair is actually a self-powered cold-fusion wheelchair?

    6. Re:Really? Political correctness? by GottMitUns · · Score: 1

      Add "developmentally challenged"

    7. Re:Really? Political correctness? by mwvdlee · · Score: 3, Funny

      Finally a worthy opponent for the Daleks!

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    8. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We already have that character. Her name is Davros:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davros

    9. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The Doctor: "You know the definition of a vegan don't you? They're people too insensitive to hear a carrot citizen of Denigula VI scream."

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    10. Re:Really? Political correctness? by ruir · · Score: 1, Funny

      brilliant sirI wish I had mod points. This political correctness only makes me wishing I could vomit. How about Super Woman as a gay man, could it be too?

    11. Re:Really? Political correctness? by TWiTfan · · Score: 0

      Are you saying people in wheelchairs can't run?? ...[reaching for the phone to dial the PC police}

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    12. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Thanshin · · Score: 1
    13. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Tx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So true. I don't understand why this keeps coming up. Just because Who happens to have the regeneration plot device, which would make it possible for him to come back as a woman, doesn't really make the why of it any different than any other long-running series with a male lead. Should the next James Bond be a woman? I'm a big fan of sci-fi with female lead characters; Buffy, Lost Girl, the Underworld movies, Resident Evil. You do not need to screw around with a series with a male lead character if you want female leads.

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    14. Re:Really? Political correctness? by interval1066 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think the next Dr. Who should be a woman, deffinately. With the usual hot female sidekick. Deffinately.

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    15. Re:Really? Political correctness? by 1s44c · · Score: 5, Funny

      The next James Bond should be Jessica Alba. Now that would breathe new life into a tired out francise.

      Leave Dr Who alone.

    16. Re:Really? Political correctness? by M1FCJ · · Score: 1

      Ginny Bond would be a brilliant character, no one should diss her that quickly.

    17. Re:Really? Political correctness? by _carolynann9803 · · Score: 0

      Wow. I just love the way you encapsulated so much stereotyping and prejudice into one comment!

      Oh, I'm sorry - is it intolerant of me to point out that your banal bigotry is showing? (Perhaps you were being ironic..? But I don't think so.) And please, don't mind my sweeping derogatory generalization of you; it's not as if you engage in such... Oh, wait - yeah, you do.

    18. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a sonic screwchair.

    19. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's Doctor Who

    20. Re: Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have that character on a new show, "Orange is the new black" played by Laverne Cox.

    21. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have have never seen a time lord change gender between regenerations, that's enough of a precedent for me. The Doctor never has, the Master never did, Romana didn't either.

      This is as silly as the people who thought the next Bond should be black. It's not like there's anything to stop them from creating a new Bond-like character who is black, but for some reason they're not happy unless it's Bond himself who gets a racelift.

    22. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't even joke about that.

    23. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound fat.

    24. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it is Doctor Who

    25. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was taking the article to its extreme to make a point. And he's right. If you are going to use the character regen to make some point about equal rights, why would women be the only ones allowed in? There are a ton of minority groups (women aren't even a minority so its not that big a leap really), so why stop there? I seriously didn't even know that equal rights was something women were still talking about. Think a gay muslim doctor would be more on point for the current day and age. But the character is a man. Maybe the character prefers to remain a man. He likes women, so he'd almost have to be gay if he regenned into a woman. It all makes very little sense. Shouldn't call people bigots cause you dont understand what they are saying, listing minority groups that complain about not equal rights (not saying it isn't justified). Kind of pretentious for women to want to take that.

    26. Re:Really? Political correctness? by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 2

      Exactly! No one had ever posed the question before that should the doctor regenerate as a female. If you want a strong female lead character then write a strong female lead character. Stop with this fucking bull shit.

    27. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Vanderhoth · · Score: 1

      I'd actually thought about that on Sunday while waiting for the announcement. You know if they went with a female lead someone would take advantage of it to write in some some cheap lesbian make out scenes to try and boost ratings. I'm glad they stuck with a male character instead, I get rather tired of shows throwing women in to a lead role just so they can have them strip to their undies and have sex/make out with other characters for no apparent reason.

      Orphan Black is a prime example, it's a great show with a good plot, IMHO, but they had to go and throw in a sex scene with just about every lead character every other episode. It's like watching ten filler episodes of Dragon Ball Z just to see a ten minute fight.

    28. Re:Really? Political correctness? by CarbonShell · · Score: 1

      Why not just used the tried and true system of rollin' one up. Good old P'n'P style character creation.
      1d2 for Sex (male, female)
      1d20 for Race
      couple of d100 for background/personality/perks and whatnot

      Heck you could even throw in some alien stuff in there as well. Be creative ffs!

      And then find a competent actor/actress that can play THAT role.

      On a side note, what I think would have been REALLY cool is that the Doctors are not just a 'person', but a real person. Someone who in space and time has just died and is reincarnated (perhaps back from a certain point within their lives) into The Doctor.
      And then the Doctor would not only have to run around being The Doctor, but also his former life surfacing and all the baggage such a thing would come with.
      If you look at the doctors, they reincarnate with 'finished' personalities and all that stuff ... where do these come from?

    29. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the Doctor is British, he can't be a Republican or a Democrat.

    30. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Awww you poor thing, did somebody step on your tender little toes?
      Fuck off and smell the sarcasm instead of your own self pity!

    31. Re:Really? Political correctness? by bobstreo · · Score: 4, Funny

      They wouldn't be able to do all the running involved...

      New tagline:

      "Lets Roll"

    32. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also, what kind of sexist demands for Doctor Who to be a woman? Certainly not a single woman I've ever met. They want a charming sexy man, and who 'd blame them? :)
      But those same sexists would probably call that "sexism" too.

      Doctor Who is a man. I don't go demand that female roles be played by men either!

      The whole thing is fucking retarded, and a textbook example of what happens to a good cause, when a bunch of monkey-see-monkey-do passive-thinking morons go overboard with it.
      The women who originally started the equal right movement would probably die just to turn in their graves.

    33. Re:Really? Political correctness? by N1AK · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Just because Who happens to have the regeneration plot device, which would make it possible for him to come back as a woman

      It also makes it possible for 'it' to come back as a man. The point some people are making is that there is no reason not to have 'it' come back as a woman. The character has been largely asexual and could remain so. Personally I think they've selected the next doctor well but I think it'd be nice if they cast one of the many capable actresses available at some point in the future.

      I think you're probably fully aware of the nonsense of your James Bond remark; largely because if you're able to use the internet you would realise that James is a man's name, a male character and human thus not able to change gender. That said, I personally would have no issue with it if they rebranded as "007: The next films not enough" and the next 007 was a woman; it'd be quite refreshing to see the bravado of James Bond portrayed by a woman and I think we're finally reaching the point where it wouldn't seem jarring.

    34. Re:Really? Political correctness? by hey! · · Score: 2

      If you're concerned about political correctness making it's way onto Doctor Who, that tardis has long since sailed. It's not only gay-friendly to a fault, it's eco-friendly and anti-militarist. UNIT doesn't count -- our brave boys in berets represent a military reduced to its proper scope: gamely attempting to repulse cheesy alien invaders while someone with more brains figures out what to do about them.

      In Dr. Who the military isn't some kind of awesome war machine, it's more like occupational therapy for the incurably dunderheaded.

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    35. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Megane · · Score: 1

      That's what she said.

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    36. Re:Really? Political correctness? by gizmo2199 · · Score: 2

      I RTFA.

      "Bachiller polled in 18th place when she ran for a seat with the People’s Party (PP) in the last municipal elections. She replaced another councillor, Jesus Garcia Galvan, who had to resign his seat a month ago on account of charges of bribery and malfeasance in office."

      So really her nomination had more to do with the scandals of another Councillor, than with PC.

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    37. Re:Really? Political correctness? by BriggsBU · · Score: 1

      What if it was a female Doctor with Captain Jack as the companion?

    38. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Talderas · · Score: 1

      So true. I don't understand why this keeps coming up. Just because Who happens to have the regeneration plot device, which would make it possible for him to come back as a woman, doesn't really make the why of it any different than any other long-running series with a male lead.

      The Doctor has a regenerative ability that lets him come back in a new body. The appropriate question is what compelling reason would the doctor have to come back in a female body rather than male? They're asking for a change for the sake of making a change and using a poor reason to suggest it.

      I'm a big fan of sci-fi with female lead characters; Buffy, Lost Girl, the Underworld movies, Resident Evil.

      A lot of people seem to think that Bo is the lead character in Lost Girl. They're wrong. Kenzi is the lead character.

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    39. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And "Progressive".

    40. Re:Really? Political correctness? by mellon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You don't think Dr. Who as a female would make for some interesting stories? Are you dead inside? Political correctness is the last reason in the world why we'd want a female Doctor. We'd want a female Doctor because it would be interesting. Honestly, male Dr. Who has been done to death!

    41. Re:Really? Political correctness? by mellon · · Score: 1

      Ack, sorry, replied to the wrong post. Criticism not intentionally aimed at impy. So sorry.

    42. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure that the ability to be Republican or Democrat is not restricted to certain nationalities.

    43. Re:Really? Political correctness? by pla · · Score: 2

      Wow. I just love the way you encapsulated so much stereotyping and prejudice into one comment!

      Let's play the "can you spot the differences?" game:

      Vegan: The (11th) Doctor likes fish fingers and custard.
      Tranny: Unless they camp it up, this could already hold true and we wouldn't know.
      Furry: He already stole a TARDIS so he could hang out with evolved apes from Earth - Pretty damned close conceptually, minus the need for suits.
      Black: Melody already did that one. Next.
      Lesbian: Hello, Jack Harkness? Though actually - Consider me good with this one. Can she get both Rose and Amy back as her companions?
      Sense of Humor: Not yours.
      Wheelchair: Not really conducive to action scenes, cheesy floating Daleks aside.
      Retarded: The doctor solves problems largely with his mind (and a health dose of deus ex, but let's not go there). That would work sooooo well!
      Muslim: The Doctor has seen into the vortex, met the White Guardian and the Black Guardian, and fought the Devil in the pit. I suspect his religious beliefs, if any, go a bit beyond petty human lunar goddesses.

      So really, as you can (or rather you can't) see, the suggested change just offers an obvious spectrum of possible tweaks that would radically change the core character of The Doctor. If people hated the core character, that might make sense. Give that the show has run for 50 years this November and its viewers like the main character? Don't screw with what works.

    44. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 1

      "The name's Bond - Jane Bond".

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    45. Re:Really? Political correctness? by mellon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You don't think Dr. Who as a female would make for some interesting stories? Are you dead inside? Political correctness is the last reason in the world why we'd want a female Doctor. We'd want a female Doctor because it would be interesting. Honestly, male Dr. Who has been done to death!

    46. Re:Really? Political correctness? by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      The Doctor is highly intelligent and shown to eat meat for years why would he become vegan?

      His regeneration seems to be somewhat affected by his state of mind, if he wanted to be a woman he would be.

      Color is irrelevant, time lords also were pretty pasty white and had some form of English accent.

      Muslim, again highly intelligent why would he take up primitive superstition?

      Regeneration allows him to fix physical handicap thus he should never need a wheelchair in the long term.

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    47. Re:Really? Political correctness? by mellon · · Score: 1

      Dr. Who coming back as a male twelve bloody times when he has no control over his new form is just loaded dice. Can you explain to me why Dr. Who as a female doesn't make sense? I'm sorry, but I really don't get the resistance to this idea. It would be comic gold, for starters, at least in the first episode. It's very clearly possible in the canon. There are lots of female actors who would be fantastic as the Doctor. So where exactly is the problem that makes you call this "screw[ing] around with a series with a male lead character?"

    48. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well if you're interested there are several websites you can check-out:

      Owning Your Shit
      A Voice for Men

      and they each have Twitter feeds worth following.

      Of course there are many, many more such sites.

      It's worth looking into the Men's Rights Movement (MRM).
      A small number of MRA's (Men's Rights Activists) do spew hatred, but the vast majority are quite coherent individuals who back-up their grievances with solid facts / stats.

    49. Re:Really? Political correctness? by metrix007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Could you paste your post a few more times to make sure everyone see's it?

      Look, the character is male. He should remain male unless there is a convincing reason to make him female. Because it would be interesting is not reason enough, not when there are are still many interesting stories to tell with him as a male.

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    50. Re:Really? Political correctness? by xclr8r · · Score: 1

      James Olivia Fehr is a female.

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    51. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Richy_T · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Possibly. But is there any particular reason it has to be the same Gallifreyan? Do you really want to break what appears to be continuity and almost certainly alienate a large proportion of the viewers just for that? (Personally it wouldn't bother me but it doesn't bother me that it's not either and I'd rather have a Doctor on the screen than than a PC Doctor cancelled. It took long enough for it to come back last time.)

    52. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      Well, Bond has been Scottish before. In truth, in modern times, a black Bond might not be too out there. But I don't care either way. All this PC stuff gets kind of tiresome though.

    53. Re:Really? Political correctness? by i+kan+reed · · Score: 0

      Why not a vegan tranny black lesbian Muslim in a wheelchair?

      Yeah, why not?
      Not counting vegan and Muslim, which are both belief driven, which give an easy out. Can you explain why not any of those without being a bigoted piece of shit along the way?

    54. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should follow it's links. It looks like a guy wearing lipstick and a wig.
      It's disturbing, really...looks like somebody's grandfather dressed up for Halloween or something.

    55. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As has been pointed out elsewhere, Steven Moffat couldn't write a strong female lead character to save himself. Sticking with men is probably for the best, at least until they can find some other writers.

    56. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Richy_T · · Score: 2

      It would seem jarring because this weird contemporary idea that women can match men in a one-on-one physical confrontation is simply bullshit for all but a tiny section of women (of which a female Bond could possibly be a member. But not any of the actresses they'd cast for her) vs a relatively small section of men (so all Bond's enemies would have to be wimps basically).

    57. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're probably fully aware of the nonsense of your James Bond remark; largely because if you're able to use the internet you would realise that James is a man's name, a male character and human thus not able to change gender.

      So when is the next Sean Connery James Bond film? Oh, that's right, they change actors every few years. Well, all of the "roles" (Q, M, etc) are always supposed to be the same in-universe person, even if they are not played by the same actor, right? Oh, no, that's wrong as well.

      I'm sorry, why exactly is it nonsense again? Because it seems to me there is plenty of precedent to not only logically shift to a female 007, but to do so in an in-universe manner.

      I think we're finally reaching the point where it wouldn't seem jarring.

      Goddess I hope not. I never want to see the day when everyone just rolls over in the name of Political Correctness.

    58. Re:Really? Political correctness? by JWW · · Score: 3, Interesting

      John Barroman is actually pitching for a spinoff show with his Captain Jack character traveling through time with River Song.

      I would much rather they create a spinoff with a Time Lady than change the Doctor into a woman.

      The biggest reason for this is that if they change the Doctor to a woman, the ratings will be big for an episode or two, but then since the whole premise of the show had been upended, ratings will crash and it'll get cancelled.

      I'd rather they try out a new show than mess with the concept of the original show.

    59. Re:Really? Political correctness? by bkr1_2k · · Score: 1

      FTW. Although Jack seems to have been skewed a little more to the homosexual side with Torchwood, rather than just the "whatever is appealing" angle they tried to write it as.

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    60. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His regeneration seems to be somewhat affected by his state of mind, if he wanted to be a woman he would be.

      Wanting to be ginger doesn't seem to work, though.

    61. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wheelchair doctor could be good. Finally he and Davros could get into a really good cripple fight.

    62. Re:Really? Political correctness? by TheGoodNamesWereGone · · Score: 1

      Too bad modding goes up only to five. You know, why not something as breathtaking as picking a doctor *that will attract and keep TV viewers*, instead of trying to fulfil some unstated 'diversity' quota?

    63. Re:Really? Political correctness? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      In Dr. Who the military isn't some kind of awesome war machine, it's more like occupational therapy for the incurably dunderheaded.

      I should rather think it's both.

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    64. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Vanderhoth · · Score: 1

      I have no problems with a female doctor, my issue is I know it would quickly degrade into a crappy romantic, rather than a great science fiction, drama. I sincerely hope I'm wrong and in the future they do have a female doctor and the writers don't go that route, but history pretty well shows if you have a lead female character she has to be vulnerable emotionally, romantically involved and her underwear must be on display.

      If they're able to throw in a female doctor and keep her as genuine as the previous incarnations it could be times two combo breaker interesting. On the other hand, we all pretty well know once the show throws in a female doctor they'll look for every chance they can to show her underwear. At which point we know the series has jumped the shark and it's over.

    65. Re:Really? Political correctness? by SirGarlon · · Score: 1

      If you're suggesting that a female lead character would make for inherently more interesting stories than a male lead character, then who's being politically incorrect? (pun intended)

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    66. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      A female doctor would run like a girl.

    67. Re:Really? Political correctness? by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The other Gallifreyans are all gone. If they wanted a female Timelord, they should have done a Romana spinoff years ago.

    68. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's Doctor Who

      That's pedantic even for slashdot.

    69. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want a female 00?, make it 00[^7a-zA-Z] facing the villain Penis Galore.

    70. Re:Really? Political correctness? by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      That deus ex is really the only way people of normal intelligence (the writers) do a character who is supposed to *much* smarter than them. At least when they have deadlines anyway.

    71. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pu$$y. Men act feminine anyway so we have one yo.

    72. Re:Really? Political correctness? by morgauxo · · Score: 1

      I thought he alread was! Why the tights then?

    73. Re:Really? Political correctness? by nosfucious · · Score: 2, Funny

      Exactly,

      It's a Doctor, not a Nurse.

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    74. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I notice your prototypical progressive human isn't an illegal immigrant from China. Bigot.

    75. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It scares the flaccid boys on slashdot, that's all. A female Doctor is both established as possible in canon AND would be really damn cool. Anyone who denies it is afraid of strong women.

    76. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah.........we should have a male Laura Croft too.

    77. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wasn't there already a show like this called Torchwood?

    78. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Doctor's gender is the whole premise of the show? Wow.

    79. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because they already have jobs in the Federal government.

    80. Re:Really? Political correctness? by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      We have have never seen a time lord change gender between regenerations, that's enough of a precedent for me. The Doctor never has, the Master never did, Romana didn't either.

      Apparently the Corsair did ("The Doctor's Wife", exposition only). So it might not be canonically impossible.

      Doesn't mean the idea's not still stupid, though.

    81. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      Anyone really believe they're not coming back again?

      Personally I think the whole "last of the Timelords" thing was a misstep. Too much un-mined material there.

    82. Re:Really? Political correctness? by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Nah, 00? would be British, so it's only fitting that the inevitably-turned henchman be called "Biggus Dickus."

    83. Re:Really? Political correctness? by arth1 · · Score: 2

      Dr. Who coming back as a male twelve bloody times when he has no control over his new form is just loaded dice. Can you explain to me why Dr. Who as a female doesn't make sense?

      You gave the reason yourself. While he may not have control, there clearly is control. He hasn't come back as a banana either, nor black, nor with four arms. After as many as 11 iterations, it would be foolish to think that the dice being loaded isn't canon.

      There are lots of female actors who would be fantastic as the Doctor.

      Then write a story for an alternate universe, but leave this one alone. Instead of killing the doctor we know and love to get a female doctor, just get a female doctor.

    84. Re:Really? Political correctness? by RabidReindeer · · Score: 2

      And if I say that the wheelchair is actually a self-powered cold-fusion wheelchair?

      Sorry, Davros already used that one.

    85. Re:Really? Political correctness? by arth1 · · Score: 1

      The other Gallifreyans are all gone.

      That depends on your timeline, surely.

    86. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. No, I am not. I am saying that people in wheelchairs can run down stairs so fast that they generally get hurt pretty badly. They can run down stairs WAY faster than I can. They go up stairs really slowly though.

    87. Re:Really? Political correctness? by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      You don't think Dr. Who as a female would make for some interesting stories? Are you dead inside? Political correctness is the last reason in the world why we'd want a female Doctor. We'd want a female Doctor because it would be interesting. Honestly, male Dr. Who has been done to death!

      The Doctor has a daughter. Actually, I'd be more interested in seeing what she could do.

    88. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are worng about the character being asexual. The Doctor has been married more than once, had a child with a wife, and fallen in love more often (shown on the show) with women than men.
      Not that I don't think a woman doctor would be fun ( Dame Helen Mirren said she would love to be the first famale Doctor) and I think it is in "The Doctors Wife" he talks about a Time Lord that changes Genders.
      As far as PC goes Jack was bi and he says that most people in the future evolved beyond gendered relation ships, so maybe the doctor is Bi. I think that Jack made a great Bi leading character. River was a strong female leading character. People just want what they want.
      Also I think it is a risk the show is unwlling to take to change the formula of The Doctor at the moment.

    89. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The name's Bond - Jane Bond".

      Appletini, shaken, not stirred.

    90. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Shadow99_1 · · Score: 2

      Well by canon only 3-4 Gallifreyans are sort of left... The Doctor's old nemesis is supposed to have died... again. His wife/amy pond's daughter, ie River Song, is supposed to be dead, but did regenerate at least twice. He does have a cloned daughter who we saw a couple years ago and dissapeared. Though she would have to be reintroduced after all this time (I was hoping for a spin off then).

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    91. Re:Really? Political correctness? by cptnapalm · · Score: 1

      Having breasts does not make you interesting. Political correctness is the ONLY reason why anyone is prattling about this inane idea.

    92. Re:Really? Political correctness? by lexx21 · · Score: 1

      There is no such thing as a "cheap lesbian makeout scene".... only cherished :-)

    93. Re:Really? Political correctness? by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Why not just used the tried and true system of rollin' one up. Good old P'n'P style character creation.
      1d2 for Sex (male, female)

      Because the die has already rolled 11 times and came up male every single time. Now there are three possibilities:
      1: The die is loaded, and will come up male. In which case, place your bet on male.
      2: The die isn't loaded, and came up male 11 times in a row purely by chance. In which case there's no less chance that he will be male the next time than female.
      3: The die roll doesn't matter, and the gender is already set to male.

      In either case, betting on "male" would be the logical choice.

    94. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not a vegan tranny black lesbian Muslim in a wheelchair?

      Don't forget short and/or balding, which are more an obstacle to becoming President or a CEO than any of those other things.

    95. Re:Really? Political correctness? by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      However, we did have the incident with River Song saving the doctor. It was said that she gave up all the rest of her regenerations (10 left was it? I forget), he remarked that she didn't need to do that, but as things go in the series, without any explanation as to whether he meant she didn't need to save him or she didn't need to give them ALL up. Its also unclear if he now has his life extended by the number she gave up (one less maybe?).

      I do think that will be used as an excuse to continue past a 13th doctor... if so it should refill the series up past 20, but, it also gives a potential plot easy excuse for a female doctor.

      Though I agree with some of my friends, though less adamantly than some of them them.... the really tiring thing with the series is how now every companion now is "the most special person who was ever special" as one of my friend's likes to put it.

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    96. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't want a strong female lead character. They want the Doctor to change the bits in between his legs. They want the cis-het-male Doctor Who to leave the building.

      Tumblr is leaking.

    97. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2, Informative

      Possibly. But is there any particular reason it has to be the same Gallifreyan?

      Yes. The same reason every Superman comic is about the same Kryptonian: he's the main character of the story.

      All the instances of regeneration we've seen preserve gender. Not just the Doctor -- the Master and K'anpo Rimpoche stay male, while Romana, River Song, and Jenny stay female.

      Yes, Romana's regeneration doesn't fit 100% with how the other instances of regeneration occur. and yes, one transgender Time Lord /Lady, the Corsair, is mentioned in one episode, but given the gender-preserving quality of all the regenerations we see it doesn't seem credible that regeneration is the source of that person's transgender status.

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    98. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. If they make the Doctor a woman, the show will die a second time.

    99. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1d20 for Race

      Ooh, sorry, but the Doctor must remain a Gallifreyan.

      Which doesn't look like a human, the Doctor has just been fooling us all along. Also, the Doctor is not male or female, the race of the Gallifreyans have 10 genders, varying by stage of life.

    100. Re:Really? Political correctness? by MarkvW · · Score: 1

      They should have a season with dozens of Dr. Whos at the same time, interacting in overlapping dimensions, with an obsessive female Doctor madly trying to reintegrate them back into the dimensional pigeonholes 'where they belong.'

    101. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      does that mean we are going to get doctory Quine Medicenne Man and 120lb male weaklings beating up 200lbs Amazaons in tv action series?

      err maybe on second thoughts pass

    102. Re:Really? Political correctness? by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm going to go with you being an ignorant person, rather than an asshole. There's no evidence to show that those things are determined after fetal devleopment at all.

    103. Re: Really? Political correctness? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      It seems to be perfectly politically correct to say men are boring. It is sexist, however.

    104. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      Maybe the Corsair was born a hermaphrodite (in Gallifreyan terms). That would allow that without destroying what seems to be otherwise established continuity.

    105. Re:Really? Political correctness? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      If the Doctor is a heshe it will be Doctor What?

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    106. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. I just love the way you encapsulated so much stereotyping and prejudice into one comment!

      Just go check his slashdot journal. Dude's been fighting for his right to be an asshole on the internet for at least seven years, perhaps even 24. That shows some dedication.

    107. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Asexual? The Doctor, if you look in his history, has always been a man, he has a Daughter for god's sake. There has only ever been one reference to a Time Lord that changed gender, the Corsair, and that Time Lord seemed quite different from the other Time Lords to the point that the they did not like or trust the Corsair.

    108. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Screw Ginny Bond.

      We should have 'Ginny Durr' Agent 009 :) Possibly replace the u with an e if we're trying to imply she's Eastern European :)

    109. Re:Really? Political correctness? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      We never saw Susan die on-screen. I'd have thought that an obvious way of handing it over would be for the TARDIS to take the dying Doctor to find her, and for him to hand over the TARDIS to her. Then you'd get a female lead character, without changing any of the mythology. You'd need some reason why Susan was off Galifrey, but the last time we saw her she was on Earth in 2150 (and while we didn't see her use the Chameleon Arch on screen, there's no reason why she couldn't have done, or constructed something similar from all of the post-invasion Dalek technology left lying around), so that's probably not too hard...

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    110. Re:Really? Political correctness? by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

      I guess I'm in that minority that likes the Daniel Craig Bonds better than most of the older ones.

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    111. Re:Really? Political correctness? by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      Mod +10K funny

    112. Re:Really? Political correctness? by jkflying · · Score: 1

      BS. Guys just do different types of/more exercise because that's the societal norm. If you asked a female to do the work every time you needed something carried or a jar opened you'd be a wimp too. Sure testosterone plays a role, but almost any woman can get strong if they eat and train right. And by strong I mean sincerely fuck up 99% of the male population. Why? Because most people don't exercise to their potential.

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    113. Re: Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A female doctor would be able to run into a male previous incarnation and make out with him/herself.

    114. Re:Really? Political correctness? by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

      They already tried chickifying bond when they went with the monogamous Timothy Dalton version.

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    115. Re:Really? Political correctness? by agrounds · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, if the last few seasons are any indication, running is no longer required. Neither is a plot, creativity, or fun 4-episode arcs. Under Moffat's tenure, the only requirement is waving around a sonic screwdriver like it's a magic wand.

      Under these strenuous conditions, the vegan tranny black lesbian Muslim in a wheelchair would be more than sufficient.

      Hell, the good Doctor could be replaced by a muppet with the screwdriver firmly velcro'd to its hand with no noticeable impact to the show. Come to think of it, this describes Matt Smith's run perfectly.

    116. Re:Really? Political correctness? by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Yes, really hot nerdy chick that is always sexy in a "I-don't-know-how-sexy-I-am" way. And in every scene she could have a different hair color. Of course, being a lead role puts some restraints on breast size (hey, I don't make the rules).

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    117. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps in your rush to be politcally correct, you forgot that James is also a girl's name.

      http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/James

      So, I fully expect a response that James Bond could be a female. /me waits patiently.

    118. Re:Really? Political correctness? by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      I kinda like that idea.
      The next time around, he comes back as a banana.
      Everyone else runs around, then they show the banana.
      Universe saved, close up on the banana.
      I'm assuming, over time , the banana wouldn't spoil.
      After all, the banana would control time.

    119. Re:Really? Political correctness? by datavirtue · · Score: 4, Funny

      Having breasts does not make you interesting.

      [citation needed]

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    120. Re:Really? Political correctness? by niado · · Score: 5, Funny

      Having breasts does not make you interesting.

      ( ) - Strongly Agree
      ( ) - Agree
      ( ) - Disagree
      (*) - Strongly Disagree

    121. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as Clara remains the companion.

    122. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get your own story to push your female agenda.

    123. Re:Really? Political correctness? by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      Why not just have a new character? Why change the gender of an existing one?

    124. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I'm going to go with you simply accepting a political narrative that you find appealing rather than examining the actual science.

      Fact: Humans have control over their own sexual behavior. We are not dogs. Just because you are sexually aroused by someone doesn't mean you throw them down in the street and hump them. That's why we hold child molester's criminally responsible for their actions. Declaring that sexuality is uncontrollable is politically useful and psychologically appealing for those who wish to avoid personal responsibility for their own behavior though.

      Fact: There's no real evidence that "sexual orientation" is genetically determined. There is, however, a cottage industry of activists who generate pseudo-scientific studies which purport to "prove" that homosexuality is genetic. The media, the entertainment industry, the educational establishment and much of the political class has been pushing the "gays are born that way" narrative, but the evidence just doesn't exist to support that view.

      Now before you call me more names, tell me, have you actually gone to a medical library and read any of the papers which "prove" that gayness is genetic? I have and I suggest you do the same. A good place to start is the paper that really got the ball rolling. It was published by either Science or Nature (yes, a very prestigious, peer-reviewed journal) in, not coincidentally, the early years of the Clinton Administration, 1993 IIRC. The author was Dean H. Hamer. You can get the exact reference from the Science Citation Index. The middle initial is important as there is another Dean Hamer who publishes in the life sciences.

      If you critically read Dean H. Hamer's paper, you will wonder how it ever got published. Although it draws very strong conclusions including a quantitative estimate of the degree to which homosexuality is genetically based, it is so full of glaring scientific holes as to make it utterly without credibility. The biggest problem was that it did not even have a control group for the genetic tests which were done. Sadly, that is quite typical for published "scientific" papers "proving" that being gay is genetic. Go ahead. Don't take my word for it. Spend a few afternoons in the library and see for yourself. Even if you are not familiar with the technological details of genetic science, the errors in logic and scientific process are there to see.

      I don't work as a geneticist, but I am scientifically trained and I do know a very competent and very liberal lesbian geneticist researcher who is, and she was quite dismayed to find that there was no legitimate evidence to "support the cause".

      If I were a gambler, I would wager that I am far less "ignorant" regarding the basis of homosexuality than 99.9% of people such as yourself who are so quick to call others names.

    125. Re:Really? Political correctness? by niado · · Score: 5, Informative

      BS. Guys just do different types of/more exercise because that's the societal norm. If you asked a female to do the work every time you needed something carried or a jar opened you'd be a wimp too. Sure testosterone plays a role, but almost any woman can get strong if they eat and train right. And by strong I mean sincerely fuck up 99% of the male population. Why? Because most people don't exercise to their potential.

      This is very disingenuous. Of course many women could become stronger than the average man if they were involved in an Olympic-class workout/diet regimen, but even a very large, very strong woman will have difficulty matching a man's strength, if he's even doing casual strength-conditioning.

      Sexual dimorphism is not caused by "societal norms", it is caused by genetics and specifically testosterone.

    126. Re: Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Especially if she had huge tits

    127. Re:Really? Political correctness? by tnk1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not a bad idea to bring in Susan, but I think people want The Doctor.

      Honestly, I've been watching him since the late 1970's as a male. After all that time, making him female just seems like a gimmick. While I don't think there is any in-universe reason he couldn't be a female, but there's been almost zero reason to believe it would ever happen.

      And what's worse, they'd probably have to do something like make it either traumatic or "super cool" for the Doctor. In either case, I could see that being annoying, story-wise. Given the tenure of current actors in the role, they'd spend half their time on the "I'm a female now" arc before moving on.

      I do think that they should somehow work in a female Time Lord, like they have in the past, and make her a lot more integral than Romana or the Rani were. The other females like River Song, or the Doctor's daughter might have Time Lord physiology, but they aren't Gallifreyans culturally and never lived in Time Lord society. I think they need a new, actual female Time Lord, but I'm not sure how that would work out.

      Susan is technically the best candidate (if she's still alive outside the Time War), but I think they'd benefit from introducing a new character.

    128. Re:Really? Political correctness? by agrounds · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The other Gallifreyans are all gone. If they wanted a female Timelord, they should have done a Romana spinoff years ago.

      The best part of a show about time travel is that there is nothing that is actually immutable. Doctor Who has rewritten plot lines in the past, and utterly ignored previous canon when it suits the writers.

      That said, bringing back Romana would be awesome. Preferably the Mary Tramm version in terms of character. The haughty brilliance she brought to the show was the perfect counterpoint to Tom Baker's goofiness. Our newer doctors really need that authority figure to contrast the manic screwdriver-waving stupidity we have gotten lately. Donna Noble was the closest we got to a proper companion like the original show, and her departure was noticeable in every aspect of the character interactions.

    129. Re:Really? Political correctness? by wallsg · · Score: 1

      I think the next Dr. Who should be a woman, deffinately. With the usual hot female sidekick. Deffinately.

      Xena?

    130. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention the fact that there was already a Doctor Who spinoff that had a female lead. Unfortunately the actress died.

      Considering half-Time Lords have occurred (accidentally) before, and have been shown to be capable of regenerating, the fact that they didn't come up with a way to regenerate Sarah Jane basically means that the BBC doesn't think such a show would be popular.

    131. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      For what it's worth, the appropriate wiki seems to think the Corsair exercised control over gender by choosing what to regenerate as, hence suggesting it's technically possible.

      That being said, however, I'm inclined to agree that it doesn't seem like something that would align well with the Doctor's established personality and would be better served via a spin-off or successor character.

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    132. Re:Really? Political correctness? by immaterial · · Score: 2

      The 11th doctor, upon feeling his hair after regeneration, thinks for a moment that he might be a woman. Clearly it is possible, then.

    133. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 2

      With all due respect, "by canon" seems like a fantastically flimsy defence for anything Who. It only takes one paragraph of script preamble to decide that there's been a million of them trapped in a pocket dimension or outside of the universe, or to invent a one-use resurrection technology.

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    134. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But why Dr. Who? Why not a female Superman or female Batman.
      Or perhaps those have already been done, but they were given different names.
      So, you can get all of the benefits of a show with a female Dr. Who under a different name without messing around with the original franchise.

      Same with Alien. Instead of calling it Space-Jaws they created a new franchise that is essentially the same concept but more interesting without meddling with Jaws.

      Just changing the doctor to a woman might spice up things a bit, but you essentially miss out on every other opportunity. Just grab the overall concept and create an entirely new show. You will be free to do a lot more changes without the risk of rubbing die-hard fans the wrong way.

    135. Re:Really? Political correctness? by immaterial · · Score: 1

      I didn't realize the whole premise of Doctor Who involved the Doctor's penis. Tell us more!

    136. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if she is lesbian, because we don't need to see Bond Bros

    137. Re:Really? Political correctness? by AliasBackslash · · Score: 1

      Because then Torchwood would have to end. Capt. Jack can't be a companion again with where Torchwood is headed.

    138. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the next Dr. Who should be a woman, deffinately. With the usual hot female sidekick. Deffinately.

      Actually, most of the Doctors had hot male sidekicks, or at least as hot as the contemporary UK could offer. Jamie, fwoar!

      I think the next Wonder Woman should be a man. Also the next Supergirl, the next Lara Croft, the next Buffy....

      But doesn't it make sense? Don't you think there are lots of great stories possible? Are you sexist, wanting traditionally female heroes to remain female?

    139. Re:Really? Political correctness? by jkflying · · Score: 1

      Sexual dimorphism is not caused by "societal norms", it is caused by genetics and specifically testosterone.

      It is started by testosterone, but societal norms reinforce what would otherwise be a much smaller difference.

      Also, remember that muscle mass only helps for short-duration exercise. When it comes to extended things, like 50 mile treks through jungle or ultra-marathons, women are just as competitive if not better than men.

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    140. Re:Really? Political correctness? by PhxBlue · · Score: 2

      Dr. Who has been done to death!

      And death, and death, and death, and death, and ...

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    141. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Ioldanach · · Score: 1

      Yes, the probability of coming up male 11 times out of 11 times for an evenly weighted coin flip is 5 thousanths of a percent. That strongly implies that either the coin flip isn't evenly weighted or it isn't a coin flip at all. Therefore, it would be likely that regenerating with a different gender is the result of an external event.

    142. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oddly enough, the current US television version of Steven King's "Under the Dome" introduces two characters who seem jammed in there to make the politically correct point.
      They're lesbian parents, one black, the other white, one has diabetes,One has glasses, the other is bald.
      I'm surprised they didn't give one a thick accent, and make the other one breast feed the child ( who is a teen).
       

    143. Re:Really? Political correctness? by niado · · Score: 1

      Also, remember that muscle mass only helps for short-duration exercise. When it comes to extended things, like 50 mile treks through jungle or ultra-marathons, women are just as competitive if not better than men.

      This is certainly true. However, we are discussing "one-on-one physical confrontations", in which muscle mass plays a very significant role.

      Just considering height alone, in the US women average around 5'4", and men average close to 5'10". This is an average difference of six inches, or almost 10%, with an accompanying difference in potential body mass. Taking into account that men (due to testosterone and other biological factors) are able to build muscle mass much easier, and to a much greater degree, this is a huge biologically enforced dimorphism.

      To contrast with your example of ultra-long, endurance-based events, there are virtually no sports in which speed and/or strength play a significant role where women are competitive with men. Of course cultural factors affect participation in these sports and skew the observed results somewhat, but this does not account for the staggering difference in physical capabilities.

    144. Re:Really? Political correctness? by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Ok, you're an asshole then. Thanks for the clarification.

    145. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moffat actually answered this on the show last Sunday where they intro the new doctor. He said sure Hellen Mirren, right after they let a man play the Queen of England.

    146. Re: Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not *more* interesting, merely *as* interesting, which is a pretty compelling reason for giving it a shot, since we've already had 11 opportunities at interesting man-centered stories and none at all for woman-centered stories.

      In fact, a female Doctor need only have 1/11th as much interestingness potential to make it a bet worth taking at this point!

    147. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sexual dimorphism is not caused by "societal norms", it is caused by genetics and specifically testosterone.

      It is started by testosterone, but societal norms reinforce what would otherwise be a much smaller difference.

      Also, remember that muscle mass only helps for short-duration exercise. When it comes to extended things, like 50 mile treks through jungle or ultra-marathons, women are just as competitive if not better than men.

      "Much smaller" being a larger difference than you want it to be. Oh and good point, people fill the theaters to the point of overflowing when it comes to movies about competitive 50 mile hikes and marathons on the big screen as the hero and villain give each other nasty looks as they inch closer to the goal line.

    148. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 1

      Well, if they make a woman Doctor, your lesbian suggestion might be true. I'm down for a little girl-on-girl action involving Alex Kingston.

      Past incarnations of the Doctor have always been men. Likewise, the Master always regenerated as a man. Past versions of Melody Pond/River Song were women. The Doctors daughter regenerated (albeit, without getting a new body) and was still a woman. It seems pretty clear that regeneration does not include gender reassignment.

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    149. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The circumstances of his regeneration can affect the outcome.
      What if he gets "killed" while hiding in a convent dressed as a nun?

    150. Re:Really? Political correctness? by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      I guess I'm in that minority that likes the Daniel Craig Bonds better than most of the older ones.

      That's not it, Daniel Craig is a great action actor. The problem I have with the Bond franchise is that it's about a 80 year old indestructible misogynistic super-man. It's a product of the 80's, it's done, finished, run it's course. Time to go do something else.

    151. Re:Really? Political correctness? by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      While I am a fan of The Boylan, nothing in Who Canon states that timelords can change genders during a regeneration. However...there's nothing stopping the Beeb from bringing in Romana or even a reformed Rani to succeed the Doctor as do-gooder when his regenerations run out.

    152. Re: Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Transsexual thinks Dr.Who should change gender. In other news, sky is blue.

    153. Re: Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the author of The article is transgender.

    154. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't think Dr. Who as a female would make for some interesting stories?

      No more or less interesting than the female lead being a man surely? After all, we're equal aren't we? What would would a woman bring that was different - unless you forced her to adhere to typical female stereotypes?

      The spin-off had a female lead - but was also a children's show mostly (more so than Doctor Who itself was becoming), so didn't have as large an audience. But aside from the regeneration and Tardis, she did everything the Doctor did - saved the planet; fought incredible monsters; made friends with incredible monsters; made highly advanced tech out of run-of-the-mill rubbish etc. And yet there was a complete lack of attention for the fact she was woman - maybe because there is no 'glass ceiling' in Doctor Who and this all just a warped perception being made worse by the massive push for censorship by the feminist lobby in the UK right now?

    155. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      Having breasts does not make you interesting.

      ( ) - Strongly Agree
      ( ) - Agree
      ( ) - Disagree
      (*) - Strongly Disagree

      A picture of Cowboy Neil in a wet t-shirt might change your mind

    156. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. I work in front of a computer all day and get hardly any exercise. My wife does yoga, pilates, and walks almost every single day. I'm still way stronger than her. It pisses her off a little. :) As to who is healthier or more fit, well she probably wins hands-down.

    157. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Krojack · · Score: 1

      I believe Optimus Prime already owns that tagline.

    158. Re:Really? Political correctness? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      The point some people are making is that there is no reason not to have 'it' come back as a woman.

      Well, from what I read elsewhere, the large majority of fans want a male Doctor, so that's a very good reason - to give the buying audience what it wants. They're at the point where sonic screwdrivers are available at many of the mass merchandise locations and I saw a few around Cub Scout camp this summer. This isn't 1977 anymore - they have a cash cow to protect.

      However, folks like me, who have stopped watching because it's the same general story, different window dressing, all the time, might tune in again if the writers had a new angle to explore. Really, though, they could serious screw that up, because the Doctor doesn't use his gender very much and if it's just a vehicle to explore the patriarchy, then it's not really Who, and if it's done in concert, they'd really have to keep that angle fresh, which would be tricky and I don't see their writers taking any Stracynzkiesque dives into characters. They could stand to watch Princess Leia, Delen, or Sam Carter a thousand times to figure out what to do right with a woman Doctor, but perhaps they were right not to take it on without a very firm plan of how not to do it wrong. Doing a Kochanski would be the worst.

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    159. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure testosterone plays a role, but almost any woman can get strong if they eat and train right. And by strong I mean sincerely fuck up 99% of the male population.

      Of course physical conditioning plays a role, but there are very few women who, even when maxed on their physical potential, could fuck up 99% of the male population. There are real reasons why physical standards must be lowered in order to allow women to make it in the military or firefighting and why it is all but impossible for a woman to make it through special forces training and those reasons have nothing to do with mistreating womyn.

      P.S. I'm trying to decide if the fact that you wrote "sincerely fuck up" instead "seriously fuck up" says anything about your underlying emotional state.

    160. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ( . ) ( . ) I mean seriously. Caps filter caps filter.

    161. Re:Really? Political correctness? by JudgeFurious · · Score: 1

      That's rubbish. Political correctness is the only reason why we'd want a female Doctor. If all we wanted was an interesting character then it would be easier to invent a female Time Lord character and start a series based on her adventures. Nobody wants to do that though because it's easier to point to a male character and say "Well that's been going on too long and it isn't fair". Seriously this stuff is as ridiculous as making the next Superman black or turning the Golden Age Green Lantern homosexual.

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    162. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Shinobi · · Score: 1

      Except that empirical evidence proves their mathematical extrapolation wrong. The percentage of female aspirants passing the Special Ops selections in the Swedish Armed Forces is much smaller than the percentage of male aspirants, due to not passing the physicals, such as timed hikes with gear, swimming, climbing etc. Very few women have managed the Eagle march for example, which is the prime qualifier for our Jaeger Parachutists(between 50-70km in under 24 hours, in terrain, no use of roads or paths allowed, carrying roughly 30kg of gear. There are also tasks to solve along the way)

      It's the same thing with firefighters... The percentage of women living up to standards that are set to be useful in the real world as a firefighter is much smaller than the percentage of men living up to them.

      Both of those areas by default specify extremely well-trained women. In their usual dumbfuck fashion, many swedish feminists have thus called for a lowered bar of entry both for Special Ops and for Firefighters, to the dismay of the women who have actually made it in, and realized that the requirements are based on the real world, instead of some la-la-land ideology.

    163. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For an entertainment story, "because it would be interesting" is absolutely sufficient reason. You need reason against doing something interesting, like claiming it would destroy some plot element or themes, which I haven't seen.

      Why do you have to exhaust all the male stories before switching genders? Why not exhaust all the gender stories before delving into the gender-neutral ones? Arbitrary.

    164. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Torodung · · Score: 1

      (*)(*) - Strongly Disagree

      Ftfy

    165. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so all Bond's enemies would have to be wimps basically

      Most of Bond's enemies are wimps, basically. The archenemies, anyway. He gets tricked and trapped more than he get physically dominated.

    166. Re:Really? Political correctness? by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 1

      He stole that from George Berrnard Shaw.

    167. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Duds · · Score: 1

      It's a product of 40 years after its creation and 20 years after the first films? Impressive.

    168. Re:Really? Political correctness? by TheCarp · · Score: 2

      What does the cannon have to say about time lords passing regenerations to eachother?

      We saw River Song do this, to which the Doctor remarked "You didn't have to do that", and indicated that she gave up all of her remaining regenerations. My circle of friends has been speculating that this was done to set him up to go past 13, using the regenerations she gave him.... which may also setup a situation where they can switch him to a female and create new cannon, if this is a new situation.

      Admittedly, I am no expert on The Doctor and only ever watched a handful of mostly Tom Baker episodes as a kid prior to the new series.... but it seems like it would open up possibilities.

      OTOTH does the cannon actually forbid it? Just because its never been seen before doesn't mean it can't happen, just means its potentially rare or requiring of some new element....which they seem to have already set up.

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    169. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      New-style Daleks "LE-VI-TATE". Old-style Daleks level the building.

    170. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well he has an inifite wardrobe so think of the potntial for the shopping channel ties ins showes, clothes , make up , jewelry and sanitary products

    171. Re:Really? Political correctness? by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 1

      He took that from George Bernard Shaw

    172. Re:Really? Political correctness? by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 1

      Mary Tramm died last year

    173. Re:Really? Political correctness? by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 1

      I have to disagree with the strongly disagree.

      It really depends on the breasts in question.

    174. Re:Really? Political correctness? by antdude · · Score: 1

      Without the apostrophe? :P

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    175. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you believe that a female Doctor Who would not attract and keep TV viewers?

    176. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good thing the Doctor isn't human!

    177. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not? I'm sure that would make for some interesting stories.

      Oh, sorry, are you implying that having a main character who's not just some white guy is totally absurd? That attitude is kind of: the problem. "Fewer than 97% straight white male leads?! Political correctness gone mad! Everyone knows that 97% of the human race is just like me!"

      By the way, as I understand it, "tranny" is considered a slur by many of the people it refers to.

    178. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Change the show to Nurse What.

    179. Re:Really? Political correctness? by johnny+cashed · · Score: 1

      ...strip to their undies and have sex/make out with other characters for no apparent reason.

      You make that sound like a bad thing. Isn't 90% of sex/making out for no apparent reason? Other than it's fun and feels good?

    180. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you say, "It's not my fault I'm the biggest and the strongest. I don't even exercise."? Because you can't pass up an opportunity like that.

    181. Re:Really? Political correctness? by ardeez · · Score: 1

      Because women make up ~50% of the earth's population, so shouldn't one of them maybe get a shot at it too?

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    182. Re:Really? Political correctness? by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      That said, it's a solution looking for a problem. What does a female Doctor bring to the table? Even though the personality of the Doctor tends to vary a little by actor/regeneration I just think it would be jarring.

      Let's create new female characters instead of hijacking existing ones.

    183. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Cloud+K · · Score: 1

      Has it ever actually happened in canon?

      Far as I know all the male timelords were always male and all the female timeladies were always female. He had a granddaughter, and he doesn't refer to her as "grandperson"

      I get the impression that the possibility he cited that one time that "I could come back as a woman! Or with two heads!" was probably either a) a very unlikely mutation or b) the Doctor lying, like he always does.

    184. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Master is past the limit of 13. There was an episode I only partly remember where he has having to do some extreme measures to extend his life. It involved manipulating or merging with ( don’t recall which ) a person who was going to be in control of some very powerful machine on some planet.

    185. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does the cannon have to say about time lords passing regenerations to eachother?

      BOOM.

    186. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you are deft advocate for your cause. I presume you think I should ignore facts in order to not upset your delicate sensibilities?

      I dislike the deceitful narratives that progressives foist on society. If you can't bear the truth, then that's your problem, not mine.

    187. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Best Slashdot comment in years.

    188. Re:Really? Political correctness? by arth1 · · Score: 1

      The circumstances of his regeneration can affect the outcome.
      What if he gets "killed" while hiding in a convent dressed as a nun?

      He'll regenerate as the groundskeeper, of course.
      "It's one o'clock and time for lunch, dum dee dum dee dum"

    189. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A good way to extend the series at the same time to prepare the killing of the doctor and put a female in the lead role, make him disappear in a time vortex just before a "last war" on witch he die, leaving the Tardis alone and then a female takes it to search for the doctor, and is also a good opportunity to make the rest of the alive "time lords" and alike to appear.

    190. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Tom · · Score: 1

      You need some more biology education.

      There are biological difference between men and women beyond the obvious. Not in the stupid better/worse sense, but in the different sense. Muscle structure, for example, shows a clear gender bias.

      I'm all for equal rights. At the same time I think that everyone who claims that men and women are equal has never seen a member of the opposite sex naked. There are differences between the genders, and ignoring them or pretending they don't exist is the worst sexism of them all.

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    191. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude I think capt jack is awesome.. totally needs to happen. Some more river song backstory I think is also called for she was supposed to be mysterious but now we pretty much know the deal.. fill us in the rest of the way the interest is there.

    192. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Kasamir · · Score: 1

      I'm not able to look up the exact episode right now, but I remember one where he mentioned that one of his friends turned into a woman for a regeneration.

    193. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if any, go a bit beyond petty human lunar goddesses.

      Sailor Moon killed Chaos (or maybe just sealed her away for a while, it was kinda unclear). She can also travel in time and destroy entire planets. Sailor Moon > Doctor Who.

    194. Re: Really? Political correctness? by Neddie · · Score: 1

      Keeper of Trake

    195. Re:Really? Political correctness? by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      In fairness the female Robin was more badass than any of the male ones.

    196. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      No, the bravado of James Bond is completely uninteresting coming from a woman. It is the same reason that making Starbuck a woman was stupid. The first thing they always do is try to show how the woman is just as tough in a street fight as a man. So, what do they do? They have a 120 lb. woman get in a fist fight with a 250 pound man who is used to brawling. They have her beat him up to show us that she really is as tough as a man. I have no problem with a Buffy because they have an explanation. Magic. Resident Evil? Genetic engineering. If your going to claim that a 120lb woman can beat the crap out of a 250lb male brawler, you have to have SOME kind of explanation. The next thing they do is try to show how she is as much of a 'Manizer' she is, just like her male counterpart was a 'Womanizer'. The problem is that it isn't impressive that a hot chick can get laid. It really isn't impressive if an ugly chick can get laid. The reason that Bond's womanizing is interesting is that it plays into the fantasy that a guy can be so cool that he can do what all of us men want to do but can't. Namely, bang lots of hot chicks.

      It would be far more wise to do a spin off. I suspect that there is a good chance that if they resurrected River Song, they could do a decent spin off. She just wouldn't be "The Doctor". She would need to define her own name.

    197. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This has nothing to do with political correctness... Here in Spain, we are used to have retarded politicians...

    198. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Look how well that worked with Hercules/Xena.

    199. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      So, Quantum Leap?

    200. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Most people seem to forget that Melody isn't a Time Lord. At least she isn't a Gallifreyan Time Lord. She is a human that was warped by Tardis into a human variant of a Time Lord.

    201. Re:Really? Political correctness? by SolitaryMan · · Score: 1
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    202. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember Joey Buttafuoco vs Chyna in a celebrity boxing match where she got the crap kicked out of her. This wasn't long after her WWE run and she was also a bodybuilder and he was fat and out of shape. Political correctness might work in the movies, not to much in real life.

    203. Re:Really? Political correctness? by quantaman · · Score: 1

      Sexual dimorphism is not caused by "societal norms", it is caused by genetics and specifically testosterone.

      It is started by testosterone, but societal norms reinforce what would otherwise be a much smaller difference.

      Also, remember that muscle mass only helps for short-duration exercise. When it comes to extended things, like 50 mile treks through jungle or ultra-marathons, women are just as competitive if not better than men.

      It would be cool if this was true, but if it was true there would be more experimental evidence of the performance gap dropping as the distance increased among runners in general (not just matched populations). You can see the problem with the design in the abstract:

      recent best running speeds (m.s-1) of 28 female ultramarathon runners over racing distances from 5 to 90 km were compared with those of male runners matched for 56 km race time, age and training.
      [...]
      The negative slope and the X-axis intercept of this equation at 66 km supports the hypothesis that women ultramarathon runners have greater fatigue resistance than do equally trained men whose performances are superior up to the marathon distance.

      But the men and women weren't equally fit, they just had the same 56k time and training (though I'm dubious how they could match the training). I suspect the women were in much better shape to be able to match the men at 56k, and it was the longer distances where this advantage expressed itself.

      The most generous interpretation you can take is that males have a relatively better performance at shorter distances and women longer. So if you get a guy and girl who are matched at X than the guy will be faster running X/2 and the girl X*2, but it doesn't say actually that men in general are faster at running X/2 or women at X*2. And if you assume that men have better baseline performance than the women would be better trained, which would become a factor in the longer distances.

      Odd this came up because just this weekend I ran a 30k with my girlfriend. She'd actually done a 42k training run the day before and handled the 30k very well, probably a lot better than I'd do right now. She'd probably beat me at an 80k and would at least push me over a 42k, however I can still dominate her at anything under 21k.

      But go back a couple years to when I was in shape and my times would have been far faster than hers at the ultra distances as well.

      We actually talked about the performance gap in distance running and while body fat % might be a factor she suggested bone structure, particularly the hips, played a big role in running economy and elite women runners tended to have narrower hips.

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    204. Re:Really? Political correctness? by harlequinn · · Score: 1

      Clearly you made an inference. :) I could infer the opposite, i.e. that since he felt his hair and questioned whether he was a woman, yet wasn't (and never has been) that it is in fact not possible.

      In the end though, this is a screen drama and they can write in what they like into the plot with the only sufferance being their ratings.

    205. Re:Really? Political correctness? by harlequinn · · Score: 1

      It also makes it possible for 'it' to come back as a man. The point some people are making is that there is no reason not to have 'it' come back as a woman. The character has been largely asexual and could remain so. Personally I think they've selected the next doctor well but I think it'd be nice if they cast one of the many capable actresses available at some point in the future.

      No, it is correct to write "for him to come back". He currently is, and always has been male. He has fathered a child with a female, making him biologically male. He dresses like a male. He looks like a male (the actors are, after all, male). We are referring to this person and it is a he. Your assertion that the character is asexual is without merit. Perhaps you meant androgynous (which would also not be true).

      That said, the writers can do what they like - they just have to suffer the ratings consequences (for better or worse).

    206. Re:Really? Political correctness? by mellon · · Score: 1

      I posted it in response to the wrong message, so I re-posted it where I'd originally intended to. Deal. As for your comment, "look, the character is male," who died and made you god? This is a character. On a TV show. The writers can do absolutely anything they want. The question is, will it be interesting?

      I think a female Doctor would be interesting. If you don't, I'm sorry, but you lack imagination. To cast this as some kind of political correctness is absurd. What matters is a good story. If it were the case that making the Doctor female would kill the story, that would be a good argument, but you didn't make that argument, and I don't think you can make a convincing argument to that effect.

    207. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Cannon' is a thing that goes boom and makes a hole over there somewhere. 'Canon' is the word you're looking for.

      But no, Doctor Who canon doesn't really forbid a female Doctor, because the whole show is about anomalous events, wormholes, loopholes, time travel and space magic. They'd just devote an episode to how weird it was and explain it with the usual sci-fi hand-waving.

      I think a bigger problem is that the show's current viewership expects a Doctor who's both heroic and attractive. The whole women want him, men want to be him thing. If The Doctor gets a sudden sex change, they can no longer expect that the same women will want her or that the same men will want to be her. It'd be an interesting story arc, sure, but they'd basically have to flip the show's sex appeal over to make it happen.

    208. Re:Really? Political correctness? by mellon · · Score: 1

      I don't know, I'm hearing from a lot of female Doctor Who fans that they'd like a female Doctor. Color me skeptical. I think the problem here is on the management end of things, not with the audience.

    209. Re:Really? Political correctness? by mellon · · Score: 1

      For lulz.

    210. Re:Really? Political correctness? by mellon · · Score: 2

      "Political correctness" is generally a word that's used to dismiss what someone else wants as nonsense. Whatever TFA may be saying, the fact is that there's a lot of interest in a female Doctor online, and it's not out of political correctness. It's because people think it would be cool, for actually a wide variety of reasons. My personal reason is that I think it would spin off good stories and allow the writers to subvert some Whovian tropes in really fun ways.

    211. Re:Really? Political correctness? by mellon · · Score: 1

      I really don't care about viewers who would be turned off by this. Given that the ongoing theme of Doctor Who is tolerance and acceptance of difference, it's really hard to imagine that they are anything but a very vocal, very small minority.

    212. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Men and women genetically different? Like with different chromosomes and glandular/hormonal/anatomical differences between the sexes? If that were true, then sports & athletics would be divided into men's leagues and women's leagues, because it would be unfair to pit men against women, if they didn't respond equally to the same training regimens.

      In such a world, men and women would run in separate races, and play in single-sex teams, only against teams of the same sex. Eventually there would be games played almost exclusively by men, and other games played almost exclusively by women. This is a crazy alternate universe you propose. You watch too much sci-fi TV!

    213. Re:Really? Political correctness? by TheGoodNamesWereGone · · Score: 1

      Why do you believe that a female Doctor Who would not attract and keep TV viewers?

      Indeed. Why not cover all the PC bases, as the OP stated? "Why not a vegan tranny black lesbian Muslim in a wheelchair?" For me, the Doctor will always be Tom Baker. But then I'm a straight white male. May my oppressive soul burn forever in Hell.

    214. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's been strongly implied that the Time Lord Council set the limits, as they gave the Master a new set once upon a time....
      Seeing as how there is not more Time Lord Council, I'm not sure that there are anymore limits to the number of times the Doctor can regenerate.

    215. Re:Really? Political correctness? by CarbonShell · · Score: 1

      IIRC Quantum Leap was him jumping around time, taking over people and changing their lives from within the timeline.

      Contrary, my thought was that while he is someone from time, he is no longer in that timeline. I.e. their death put them in the Dr Who respawn cue.

    216. Re:Really? Political correctness? by CarbonShell · · Score: 1

      Perhaps, as will many things in our generation, they might actually start to roll the die.

      Anyway, we will not get a Doctor that every 'fan' will like, but I do think the fanbase is open enough to accept any possible reincarnation. Perhaps, if they are so against the reincarnation that they abandon the show, the fanbase is better off without them?

      Still, I think that the shows nature does allow more flexibility in their hero's makeup and it should be explored. And if you dare to leave it up to a random generator, perhaps you just might be surprised.

      The shows nature also has relieved us from the constraints of what to expect. It may not be everyone's cup of tea, but if you are out for a wild ride, dr who will deliver. And as such, we hope, or rather expect, to be given some crazy story with interesting characters and a plot line no one will guess.

    217. Re:Really? Political correctness? by CarbonShell · · Score: 1

      Selfreply, but think about the last 3 Doctors and how they would fit into time and character?
      Look at their clothing, the way they talk and move and all that.
      # Ninth Doctor: Faulkland War veteran
      # Tenth Doctor: 80's kind of business person
      # Eleventh Doctor: 1900's/WW1 School teacher kind of kid that went to War

      I also get sideflashes from LifeOnMars/AshesToAshes, (spoilers!) as they had a similar concept!

    218. Re:Really? Political correctness? by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      It's a product of 40 years after its creation and 20 years after the first films? Impressive.

      Didn't they get to the time traveling arc yet? How else do you thing Bond is regenerating?

    219. Re:Really? Political correctness? by N1AK · · Score: 1

      James Bond isn't just any old bloke off the street. I don't have any trouble believing that a woman 007 could beat 99.5% of men in a physical confrontation. Furthermore James Bond as a character has never been about just brute strength so it's hardly a critical factor in determining who is appropriate. If you find the idea of a capable woman who can handle herself in a fight jarring it says more about how you stereotype than what women are really capable of.

    220. Re:Really? Political correctness? by N1AK · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you meant androgynous (which would also not be true).

      2. free from or unaffected by sexuality.

      Get a dictionary, read it from time to time then get back to me and we'll talk ;)

    221. Re:Really? Political correctness? by chilvence · · Score: 1

      Because all the insipid pandering to well defined pigeonholed demographics just makes the producers come off as bigoted pieces of shit that are only trying to cover their arse from the pc police anyway?

    222. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the probability of coming up male 11 times out of 11 times for an evenly weighted coin flip is 5 thousanths of a percent.

      In fact, it is 1/(2^11) = 1/2048 ~= 0.5%. A thousand times more than "5 thousandths of a percent".

      It's not such a rare event, as any role player worth his salt should know.

    223. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually it has been done before. The High Council (the Time Lord government) could, in classic Who, could grant a Time Lord more regenerations. They did so for the Master. Since the High Council is gone, who is to stop the Doctor from just completely ignoring their silly rule?

    224. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The TARDIS hand-off wouldn't work. In The Name of the Doctor, we saw that the TARDIS was the Doctor's grave marker, and that is almost certainly a fixed point in time. So you can't change that unless you want the whole universe to end.

    225. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (*)(*) - Strongly Disagree twice

    226. Re:Really? Political correctness? by arth1 · · Score: 1

      The shows nature also has relieved us from the constraints of what to expect. It may not be everyone's cup of tea, but if you are out for a wild ride, dr who will deliver. And as such, we hope, or rather expect, to be given some crazy story with interesting characters and a plot line no one will guess.

      Are you sure you're talking about the same show? The one I've seen, from BBC, is rather predictable, with one of two plots being recycled. The settings, looks and powers of the enemy differ between shows, but there's little new.
      The most common plot is basically:
      "Two or three innocents, one of which is a girl, stumbles into weird malevolent beings who almost kill them. The Doctor gets involved and they almost kill him too. However, they think rather rigidly and by being smart as a five year old, the doctor can trick them. That almost does it, but not quite, but at the end a Deus Ex Machina tips the scales in the Doctor's favour."

      I'm not saying this is bad - familiarity is something most people appreciate.

    227. Re:Really? Political correctness? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Daleks are lesbian Muslims? I never noticed their external likeness to burqas, but you're right, it's definitely there.

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    228. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      50 mile treks through jungle or ultra-marathons

      Now, that's going to make a thrilling Bond film.

    229. Re:Really? Political correctness? by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      > I think a bigger problem is that the show's current viewership expects a Doctor who's both heroic and
      > attractive. The whole women want him, men want to be him thing.

      Except, then you bring in Caprain Jack and even a few others and, I think its clear they have started to weave in some "Men want him" too.

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    230. Re: Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The character in this story (or series of stories), is male that is how the character is written.

      Trying to magically pretend that he is a female, is sheer stupidity. It would need to be a complete rewrite of character, or a ridiculous male female hybrid played by a female.

    231. Re:Really? Political correctness? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily. We know that, at some point in the future, the TARDIS becomes The Doctor's grave marker, but we don't know that it was placed there when he died. His body may have remained in The TARDIS for some hundreds of years of subjective time first. Having him preserved in his near-death state in The TARDIS with the ability to provide advice to Susan occasionally might also work nicely as a plot device.

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    232. Re:Really? Political correctness? by metrix007 · · Score: 1

      Switching the gender of any character can make for an interesting story. I don't think that's a good enough reason to fuck with the character dynamic when there are still interesting stories to be told with the character as a male.

      Interesting stories is not sufficient reason another. You need an additional reason fuck with what makes the character the character. Making the Doctor female would not kill the story, but it would no longer be the same character.

      If you have to change the character drastically to tell interesting stories, there are problems. Thankfully, we don't have to change the character drastically and we don't have those problems.

      Perhaps, if you don't think there are still interesting stories to be told with a male character, it is you who lacks imagination.

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    233. Re:Really? Political correctness? by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      Could you paste your post a few more times to make sure everyone see's it?

      Look, the character is male. He should remain male unless there is a convincing reason to make him female. Because it would be interesting is not reason enough, not when there are are still many interesting stories to tell with him as a male.

      What difference does it make if the character is male or female?
      "The transition from one actor to another is written into the plot of the show as regeneration, a life process of Time Lords through which the character of the Doctor takes on a new body and, to some extent, new personality, which occurs when sustaining injury which would be fatal to most other species." (wikipedia)

      No reason for it to be male specifically.

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    234. Re:Really? Political correctness? by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      ...if they change the Doctor to a woman, the ratings will be big for an episode or two, but then since the whole premise of the show had been upended, ratings will crash and it'll get cancelled.

      The show is not based on the character being male. You could take out the male character and put a female character and nothing substantial at all would change.

      That being said, if the vast majority of those watching the show are gay and in love with the doctor then maybe taking the male doctor away would have an impact.

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    235. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      Lara Croft is fiction.

    236. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      Did she get hit by a bus?

      (It's Tamm)

    237. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As women compose approximately half of the human race, it's odd that you would dismiss them as just another "PC base." The canonical arguments against the specific case of the vegan tranny black lesbian Muslim in a wheelchair are addressed elsewhere in the comments.

      But that wasn't the question. Why would a female Doctor be unlikely to attract and keep TV viewers? I'm unfamiliar with the demographic breakdown of the show's fanbase (seems pretty diverse, but I could be wrong), but it doesn't seem so far-fetched that even an audience composed entirely of straight white males could find it interesting if she was written and portrayed competently. Perhaps she wouldn't be Tom Baker, but neither are the other white male Doctors and the show still seems to be doing okay. Lots of people enjoy a well-executed story with a main character who is very different from themselves; why should a female character be off the table? Especially since there appears to be strong canonical support for the possibility.

    238. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Reziac · · Score: 1

      I don't even watch Dr.Who, and I think it sounds like a stupid PC gimmick. :(

      As to the so-called glass ceiling, read the chapter on that in Larry Elder's book, "Ten Things You Can't Say In America". It has some enlightening statistics; in short, viewed objectively (with real numbers), the glass ceiling doesn't exist.

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    239. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Ioldanach · · Score: 1

      In fact, it is 1/(2^11) = 1/2048 ~= 0.5%. A thousand times more than "5 thousandths of a percent".

      Actually .5% is a hundred times more than 5 thousandths of a percent.

      Which means we're both wrong, because it is .05%.

      1/2048 ~= .0005 = .05%

      I should have said 5 hundredths of a percent, I misspoke in the original. (My math was correct, but I saw .05 as thousanths not hundredths.)

    240. Re:Really? Political correctness? by doccus · · Score: 1

      Longing for Tom Baker and Tony Ainley, are we?

    241. Re:Really? Political correctness? by algoa456 · · Score: 1

      Only if she ran the Tardis as a brothel.

    242. Re:Really? Political correctness? by ruir · · Score: 1

      I said Super Woman/Wonder woman ; not Super man.

    243. Re:Really? Political correctness? by ChoosyBeggar · · Score: 1

      Having breasts does not make you interesting. Political correctness is the ONLY reason why anyone is prattling about this inane idea.

      You reveal yourself by implying that the only notable thing about women is that they have "girl parts". Here's something interesting: Having the memories of living several lifetimes, as a man, as a woman, & looking back on everything. So many experiences, so much accumulated wisdom. What's wrong with exploring new territory? Personally, I'd like to see the Doctor played by a sophisticated Englishwoman, more average than "hot", & hearing all the great insights of her experiences in this new life. What's more, I'd love to see Eddie Izzard as the Master, mocking the new Doctor with hilarious physical comedy. XD

    244. Re:Really? Political correctness? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Superboy is sometimes Kal El, sometimes not. Supergirl was a separate spinoff as well. It could be a different character completely, or the same one in a different body. We've had 12 bodies so far, so what's wrong with one of them having ovaries?

    245. Re:Really? Political correctness? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      What, just because we get a Black Col. Fury, we need a Black Bond and Doctor?

    246. Re:Really? Political correctness? by metrix007 · · Score: 1

      Or, to put my point more succinctly: Turning the Doctor into a crab would be interesting. It doesn't mean we should do it.

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    247. Re:Really? Political correctness? by mellon · · Score: 1

      How would this be a drastic change? The Doctor would still be humanoid, still able to talk, still able to wield a sonic screwdriver, and still able to think. How is this a "drastic" change? How is it more drastic than any other regeneration?

    248. Re:Really? Political correctness? by mellon · · Score: 1

      Er, no, I don't think it would be interesting, unless it were temporary and part of a single episode. Crabs can't talk, or wield sonic screwdrivers, or engage in complicated reasoning.

    249. Re:Really? Political correctness? by mellon · · Score: 1

      No, being the Doctor makes you interesting. Some of the settings the Doctor has appeared in would be very different for a woman than a man. It would create all sorts of interesting problems when visiting the Earth's past. So yes, in fact, in some situations a female Doctor really would be more interesting than a male Doctor.

    250. Re:Really? Political correctness? by mellon · · Score: 1

      Women aren't treated equally now, and haven't been in recorded history. Having the Doctor, who is accustomed to coming out on the easy side of that equation, come out on the hard side as he travels through history would indeed be interesting.

    251. Re:Really? Political correctness? by mellon · · Score: 1

      And you don't like watching girls run? Are you dead inside? Oh wait, I already said that...

    252. Re:Really? Political correctness? by harlequinn · · Score: 1

      I don't know why you've included a quote from thefreedictionary.com (what a magnificent source of information...) with my text.

      Yes, asexual means free from sexual desire. Yet, he showed desire for his wife that resulted in a sexual union resulting in a child (sexual reproduction). I think that's pretty clear cut he is not asexual.

      Androgynous means something else, I gave it as an option for what you meant since your assertions did not coincide with the facts (and I stated androgyny would not be true in any event).

      Go reread what you wrote, then what I wrote, then analyse the facts about the Doctor and then maybe I'll talk ;)

    253. Re:Really? Political correctness? by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 1

      Sigh. Kids these days. In The Keeper of Traken, The Master stole Tremas' body. After that, The Master simply started regenerating (Derek Jacobi (single biggest misuse of a great actor EVAR) to John Simm) again, without explanation.

    254. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's great and all, but ultimately, it will turn out the same way Voyager did for Star Trek. They tried to break a lot of starship captain tropes with Janeway, and it failed miserably.

      White male guilt in the first world is becoming a very dangerous cancer to society. In most of these countries, men have no reproductive rights, and slim chances of equal child rearing rights in the event of a divorce.

    255. Re:Really? Political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a 53yo, 300lb unemployed introvert who lives at home with mommy. I'm a man and have b-cup sized moobs (man boobs). ....Woooohooooo! At least one person in this world fancies me and finds me interesting!

    256. Re:Really? Political correctness? by mellon · · Score: 1

      I thought that was a good show. It ran for seven seasons. Granted, it ran on UPN, which had limited audience reach, but seven seasons is not bad at all.

    257. Re:Really? Political correctness? by metrix007 · · Score: 1

      How is switching gender not a drastic change? Just because the character remains humanoid doesn't mean the change isn't drastic.

      I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but there are some pretty significant difference between the ways men and women act.

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    258. Re:Really? Political correctness? by dywolf · · Score: 1

      my first thoughts on seeing the headline too.
      that and hot lesbian Doctor on Rose on Martha threesome action.
      And thus I will be invoking Rule 34.

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    259. Re:Really? Political correctness? by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 1

      You will notice that T and R are next to each other on a QWERTY keyboard.

  2. WHAT AND CALL IT NURSE WHO ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    That is just absurd !!

    1. Re:WHAT AND CALL IT NURSE WHO ?? by Farmer+Pete · · Score: 1

      Nurese Who? I see another spin-off series in the making! Genius!

    2. Re:WHAT AND CALL IT NURSE WHO ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A doctor is technically someone who holds a doctorate. It's not the same as a physician, which by the way is in itself not tied to being a man or a woman.

    3. Re:WHAT AND CALL IT NURSE WHO ?? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That is just absurd !!

      Not nearly as absurd as his archenemy being The Mistress.

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    4. Re:WHAT AND CALL IT NURSE WHO ?? by somersault · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A joke is technically something intended to make you laugh. It is not necessarily factually accurate, or even representative of the beliefs and opinions of the teller.

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    5. Re:WHAT AND CALL IT NURSE WHO ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, see: when The Nurse and the Mistress get together, they show the audience how to get along. Giggity.

    6. Re:WHAT AND CALL IT NURSE WHO ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Other than the massive WHOOSH over your head, in-universe it's said that "doctor" is in many languages across the universe as "someone who helps people". That's more in line with a physician than someone with a doctorate.

    7. Re:WHAT AND CALL IT NURSE WHO ?? by FooAtWFU · · Score: 5, Funny

      They'd need to be careful. A female playing the Doctor would risk being objectified. Then it would be Doctor Whom.

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    8. Re:WHAT AND CALL IT NURSE WHO ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He isn't a regular doctor with a degree i don't think. Not super familiar with older stuff but i just read that he claimed to have been a doctor, but was pretty sketchy about how that came to be. So your point killed the joke and you were off topic at best.

    9. Re:WHAT AND CALL IT NURSE WHO ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now that I'd watch!

      BOW-CHICKA-WOW-WOW...

      P.S.: Now I gotta look if something like that already exists. Rule 34, baby!

    10. Re:WHAT AND CALL IT NURSE WHO ?? by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

      They'd need to be careful. A female playing the Doctor would risk being objectified. Then it would be Doctor Whom.

      Slow clap for a joke involving who vs whom. Wish I had a million modpoints for you, good chap.

    11. Re:WHAT AND CALL IT NURSE WHO ?? by mellon · · Score: 0

      And an idiot is technically someone who doesn't get the point when it's handed to him on a silver platter. This particular joke just makes me sad for the human race, that in all this time since the sixties there are still kids who think that all doctors are male, and that the female equivalent of a doctor is a nurse. I do remember that from my kindergarten reading book back in 1969, but I thought we'd mostly purged it from the literature by now.

    12. Re:WHAT AND CALL IT NURSE WHO ?? by mellon · · Score: 1

      Oh, well played, sir or madam. Well played.

    13. Re:WHAT AND CALL IT NURSE WHO ?? by somersault · · Score: 1

      I thought we'd mostly purged it from the literature by now.

      Well, I think nursing is going to continue to be dominated by females, but not because women are any less capable of becoming Doctors of course. I knew more female medical students than male while at University. Actually I've had more female than male GPs too. And one of my male flatmates became a nurse. So I don't think there's anything to worry about really. Though I also think nursing will continue to be dominated by women, even if Doctor-ing is 50/50.

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    14. Re:WHAT AND CALL IT NURSE WHO ?? by robthebloke · · Score: 1

      The timenurse.

    15. Re:WHAT AND CALL IT NURSE WHO ?? by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Good gods, that was great. Worth the coffee sinus-wash.

    16. Re:WHAT AND CALL IT NURSE WHO ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there are still kids who think that all competent doctors are male

      FTFY.

      It may not be possible for you to post anything except tired, feminist screeds, but you could at least change your handle from "mellon" to "big melons" so ./ readers could imagine that there was something about you that was interesting.

    17. Re:WHAT AND CALL IT NURSE WHO ?? by Laxori666 · · Score: 1

      Hahahahahha

    18. Re:WHAT AND CALL IT NURSE WHO ?? by Calydor · · Score: 1

      To be honest men are just outright terrible at nursing.

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    19. Re:WHAT AND CALL IT NURSE WHO ?? by JestersGrind · · Score: 1

      I was thinking Doctor Whooters.

    20. Re:WHAT AND CALL IT NURSE WHO ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be The Domme. ;)

    21. Re:WHAT AND CALL IT NURSE WHO ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it would be a veritable minefield for the writers. They are guaranteed to annoy at least 50% of the audience with every single script. The Doctor's personality so far consists of (at least) 11 different men... suddenly, the Doctor is a woman. How do you write that personality? Half of Christopher Eccelstone's scripts, the audience would be screaming that the Doctor is being portrayed as a helpless woman. David Tennant's episodes, she'd come across as a heartless @%@$.

      I don't think you can write a strong female character using a strong male character as the prototype... You'd have the change the character so much to produce a character the audience would like, that the character would have nothing in common with the previous 11 incarnations of "The Doctor".

      There's no reason the Doctor couldn't regenerate into an octopus either, but it wouldn't make very good TV.

    22. Re:WHAT AND CALL IT NURSE WHO ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should get a doctor to remove that stick from your arse.

    23. Re:WHAT AND CALL IT NURSE WHO ?? by mellon · · Score: 1

      Oh dear, your subtle wit has cut me to the core, young teenage boy. How shall I recover from the intense burn you have inflicted on me? Woe is me! Woe is me!

  3. Ever notice by ganjadude · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seems there is a subset of people out there who just can never be happy unless they are going against the grain. There will be people out there who make a big deal about who the next Doctor is regardless of who gets it. Not everything has to be groundbreaking or new. Sometimes tried and trusted are the way to go.

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    1. Re:Ever notice by Dr.+Manhattan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sometimes tried and trusted are the way to go.

      From here:

      We learn how to act, and how to accept things, through our fiction, and we have a gigantic problem with women in authority. By creating a female Doctor, and then giving her interesting male companions and having them work together without falling mutually in love, having sex, or keeping her locked in the male gaze, we could begin to work through some of the issues our society has with women in authority.

      It may seem silly to pin these hopes on pop culture, but remember that it took Star Trek to bring us one of the first scripted kisses on television. A female Doctor wouldn't just be fun, it would be important. It could be a way to teach young men how to treat powerful women with respect, a lesson that is rarely discussed well, anywhere.

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    2. Re:Ever notice by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      It was bad enough with Russel T. Davies ramming it down our throats.

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    3. Re:Ever notice by Typical+Slashdotter · · Score: 1

      Sometimes tried and trusted are the way to go.

      Arguing that the show doesn't need to do something like this is one thing, but this sounds an awful lot like you're saying men should be given preference. How would women/minorities ever have gotten where they are today if everyone, everywhere, or even most people, avoided including them based on this widely applicable argument?

    4. Re:Ever notice by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't accept the premise. We have lots of powerful women in our society. Not enough, granted, but the ones we do have don't seem to have trouble being taken seriously by the majority of people.

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    5. Re:Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes indeed. Everything, and I mean everything must be co-opted to support the feminist cause or it has no right to exist.

    6. Re:Ever notice by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The whole point of Dr. Who (well, one of the points) is that the female assistants keep on showing him up...it's a showcase for smart, self-empowered women.

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    7. Re:Ever notice by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

      but remember that it took Star Trek to bring us one of the first scripted interracial kisses on television.

      Fixed. Silly cow.

      It could be a way to teach young men how to treat powerful women with respect, a lesson that is rarely discussed well, anywhere.

      Um, how about respecting all women? Like the strong female human characters who've been the Doctor's companions since 2005 (actually since 1987, and prior to that as well if you ignore Mel)?

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    8. Re:Ever notice by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Despite the numerous shows where that has already happened? It doesn't count until it's on Doctor Who, or every TV show?

    9. Re:Ever notice by oconnorcjo · · Score: 2

      I would simply argue that it would hurt the show. Male fictional characters should stay male. If you want a show about a strong female- start a NEW show about a strong female character. I don't want the show addressing:
      -The whole idea of a man trapped inside a woman's body.
      -Is the new doctor attracted to men or women?

      Please let the show just be cheap sci-fi and not about social re-engineering.

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    10. Re:Ever notice by SirGarlon · · Score: 2

      We learn how to act, and how to accept things, through our fiction

      That rather over-emphasizes the importance of fiction. I learned how to act, and how to accept things, from my parents and peers -- you know, the REAL WORLD. Most people do.

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    11. Re:Ever notice by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      The point is he has lived for a thousand years, is far smarter than any human, can travel though time. Yet the mostly female assistants are absolutely necessary not as eye-candy, but because on some level they are both smarter and more intuitive than him.

      Pretty much what you said but more of it.

    12. Re:Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Contrary to popular belief, Star Trek did not have the first televised interracial kiss.

    13. Re:Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Star Trek also let an Asian drive and that worked out pretty well. However, when they put a female in charge they got lost on the other side of the galaxy.

    14. Re:Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. Keep The Doctor a white male for the sake of not confusing the audience if they miss a couple episodes. Some people have enough issues following a character being played by a different actor every few years as it is without seriously changing their demographic.

    15. Re:Ever notice by Typical+Slashdotter · · Score: 1

      It can be what you want it to be (cheap sci-fi) and still be other things, too. It's not like half the air time would be dedicated to the topic...

    16. Re:Ever notice by hey! · · Score: 1

      It seems there is a subset of people out there who just can never be happy unless they are going against the grain.

      Those would be the *interesting ones*. The ones who are happy going with the grain pretty soon become part of the grain.

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    17. Re:Ever notice by AxemRed · · Score: 2

      Not everything has to be "important" or has to teach people something. And that goes double for teaching them something specific. If we're going to have a female Doctor specifically for the purpose of "teaching," why not have a black or an Indian or a middle eastern Doctor? Or we could teach people about other social issues of the day... drugs, poverty, etc. Or maybe the Doctor could come out of the closet?

      People watch Doctor Who primarily for entertainment. When you start forcing changes, it feels forced and takes away from that entertainment value. The story is never going to work out right when you say "we need to do ___ for political/social/whatever reasons, now let's write the story around it."

    18. Re:Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes tried and trusted are the way to go.

      Arguing that the show doesn't need to do something like this is one thing, but this sounds an awful lot like you're saying men should be given preference. How would women/minorities ever have gotten where they are today if everyone, everywhere, or even most people, avoided including them based on this widely applicable argument?

      Then you will need to awkwardly explain why the last 12 regenerations retained his male gender but the 13th led to a female Doctor. Without contradicting the existing canon. Without being too transparently lame.

      Start a new show if you really want to do this instead of co-opting a well established show. It's really, really okay to just have a show be for entertainment and not for social engineering.

      Besides which, women are their own worst enemies when it comes to earning men's respect. The ones who don't use their body to titillate men, who don't cause drama, and don't manipulate, and think rationally, those women are already well respected. Just like a real gentleman who is not a pig is generally respected by women. This is not hard to understand. You may not like it, because I dare to suggest there are differences between the sexes and each one expresses shallow self-centeredness in a different way, but in that case your beef is with Mother Nature or whatever God you may believe in.

    19. Re:Ever notice by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      You may have "fixed" it, but maybe the author didn't see the racial thing at all.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chef_Goes_Nanners

    20. Re:Ever notice by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      And that gave us the best ever Star Trek quote about time travel:
      "Time travel. Since my first day on the job as a Starfleet captain I swore I'd never let myself get caught in one of these godforsaken paradoxes - the future is the past, the past is the future, it all gives me a headache." - Captain Janeway

    21. Re:Ever notice by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 2

      Which society would that be? American or British? Britain has had many Queens ruling the country and a female Prime Minister, whereas the United States has not had one female President. Doctor Who is a BRITISH TV show and it's cultural identity is British not American.

      You got a problem with American TV, write to the networks. Stop badgering a British icon.

    22. Re:Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's supposed to be Doctor Who

    23. Re:Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      seriously. If people wanted to watch a show about a woman hero it would have been made a running for a long time like dr who. But that isn't the case. It's a tv show, not a parade. its made to get ratings. And Dr Who has done that successfully with a male character this whole time. If they really need the male star of their favorite tv show to turn into a woman to feel more secure, they should probably be getting psychiatric help.

    24. Re:Ever notice by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Amy Pond was Moffat creation not Davies.

    25. Re:Ever notice by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Actually no. It wasn't until recently that the companions started showing him up on a regular basis.

    26. Re:Ever notice by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      There's a point in there somewhere but all it ends up being is an incredibly lame post.

    27. Re:Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. They would lose at least half their male fanbase, not cause they hate women in power but because they liked seeing their male hero get the job done. probably a lot of the female fanbase for the same reason. and for what? to show that alien men can sometimes be women also?? Asinine.

    28. Re:Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Besides which, women are their own worst enemies when it comes to earning men's respect.

      Very true. In fact, it's my belief that every group of humans is their own worst enemy, full stop.

      The ones who don't use their body to titillate men, who don't cause drama, and don't manipulate, and think rationally, those women are already well respected.

      Not by other women, they're not. My wife fits this description to a tee, and she always has some Jezebel bitch coming after her (in the workplace usually) trying to cut her down.

      Just like a real gentleman who is not a pig is generally respected by women.

      No, he isn't. Women (most of them, not the rational non-manipulative anti-drama ones you mention above who are an extreme minority) don't like non-pig men, they're highly attracted to assholes and arrogance. Go set up a profile on OKCupid.com, and look at all the women and their answer to the question "are you turned on by arrogance?" Most of them say yes. Women only express a dislike for piggish men when the man in question is really ugly, but they absolutely love that behavior when it's coming from a guy that looks like a GQ model.

    29. Re:Ever notice by whargoul · · Score: 1

      This.

    30. Re:Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The feminist cause is folly and not something everyone supports, not even all women.

    31. Re:Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unearthly Child starts the telling of the empowered intellectually competent women. Seems pretty early in the series to me. Yes, not his assistant though.

    32. Re:Ever notice by mellon · · Score: 1

      Meh. For me a female Doctor isn't about equality or feminism. It's about good TV. A female Doctor would be a fantastic new twist to a long story line. It's hard to understand why anybody would bother to argue the point.

    33. Re:Ever notice by mellon · · Score: 1

      In what sense is it disrespectful to those characters for the Doctor to regenerate as a female?

    34. Re:Ever notice by mellon · · Score: 1

      Why should male characters stay male? You state it as if it is axiomatic, but I wonder if you've ever actually reasoned it through. Is it necessary that a female Doctor would be a bad thing, or could it come out well? If so, why? If not, why not? Come on, you claim to be a Doctor Who fan, but the Doctor is about reason, not about prejudice. The Doctor despises prejudice. And what you just said is a classic example of prejudice: valuing a deeply-held opinion more than reason.

    35. Re:Ever notice by 1s44c · · Score: 2

      I remember some of the old assistants being far from helpless. What about Ace who used to blow things up? And Leela who always had a knife to stab people with?

    36. Re:Ever notice by bkr1_2k · · Score: 1

      Spoken like a true male.

      As a male, I'd have to say, however, that the last few Doctors have been very good at showing women as capable. (I only started watching with 9) Half the time the scripts, while showing the companions all fawning over the Doctor, also show him fawning over them. They have very clearly shown that several of the female leads were more than trivial as part of the Doctor's life and as part of the universe. I thought they got around the whole female Doctor with Melody Song, but I guess not. They certainly made her more than a capable woman as well.

      I don't know about the early Doctors but the newer ones have certainly been making efforts to not show women as just side characters. They still have some room for improvement but I'd say they've done a good job of it recently.

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    37. Re:Ever notice by gizmo2199 · · Score: 1

      " It's really, really okay to just have a show be for entertainment and not for social engineering."

      And this is Doctor Who you're talking about? Let's see, 1) he doesn't carry a gun, is a pacifist 2) is ostensibly an atheist. 3) is anti imperialist. In other words, Dr. Who is an old-fashioned liberal.

      "The Mutants was one of the most blatant of the shows run, hitting targets such as race discrimination, colonisation and apartheid head on and is, at times pretty heavy going."

      So there's already plenty of "social engineering" going on in Doctor Who. It's not just entertainment (it's produced by the BBC after-all)

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    38. Re:Ever notice by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The assistants have traditionally played more of a "behind every great man" role.

      More recently they have had odd things happen to them which makes them more than they were, which leads them to show up the Doctor more.

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    39. Re:Ever notice by fermion · · Score: 2

      You every notice how there is a subset that get upset when anyone suggests that we might go against the grain? These are the folks who got upset when we put in personal computers, and they could no longer control our lives by controlling the mainframes. These are the people who hated GPS on the phone because they could no longer charge us $200 for map updates. Certainly a women doctor may not matter one way or the other, but complaining that we are discussing it is like complaining that we are discussing whether steam power is a good idea.

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    40. Re:Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In recent years, people living in the city of Sydney have had: (in order of "seniority")

      1. A female mayor (Clover Moore)
      2. A female premier (Kristina Keneally)
      3. A female prime minister (Julia Gillard)
      4. A female governor general (Quentin Bryce)
      5. A female queen (Libby)

      And yet we still have our testicles busted.

      Not all women whinge, but there are a few man-haters who like to perpetuate the notion that women are persecuted, as this secures sympathy and allows them to get extra attention from policy makers.

      We therefore have the situation where:

      1. More money is spent on female-specific health issues, despite women living longer than men
      In Australia, we have national breast cancer & cervical cancer screening programmes, but nothing for men. (Yet prostate cancer affects more men than breast cancer affects women???) The hysteria is such that even our men's sports teams continually raise money for breast cancer, even though most of those guys will go impotent (or die) from prostate cancer a few years down the track.

      Worse yet, our Federal Government has set aside $20 million to vaccinate school boys against cervical cancer
      Even though all school girls are already vaccinated, there's a CHANCE a girl may not be, and she MAY have sex with a boy who MAY have the HPV virus, which means she MAY develop cervical cancer. Somebody do the stats on how many Aussie girls will get cervical cancer if we don't vaccinate school boys.

      Then you read that 750 young Australian men will get testicular cancer this year. Only a few dozen will die, but those who survive will lose at least 1 testicle. Imagine what those $20 million could do if directed towards young men. In suicide prevention. (The biggest killer of young males.)

      2. We have a Sex Discrimination Commissioner who endorses sex discrimination in remuneration
      Win for women in bid to hike super pay
      Feminists complain that men retire with more money than women. For years Australian men got the aged pension at 65, while women could get it at 60. Now we're equal. How about raising the retirement age for women by 5 years, since they live 5 years longer?

      3. Our government-owned rail network recently required that male railway workers cleanly shave, or go home
      RailCorp shaves staff for being ungroomed
      Imagine the same requirements imposed on women ... shave your legs or go home!
      The policy was also changed to forbid male staff from wearing shorts; they must now wear trousers. In a country that has 44 C (111 F) summers! The original policy required women wear trousers as well, but they complained and so the policy was amended to allow females to choose between trousers and skirts.

      The list goes on ...

    41. Re:Ever notice by camperdave · · Score: 1

      The author would have to be a complete idiot if he thought that Kirk/Uhura was the first scripted kiss on television. It was far from even being the first scripted kiss of the Star Trek series, or even of that season.

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    42. Re:Ever notice by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So how are men supposed to look up to capable, masculine role models? Tim "Tool Time" Taylor and his thousands of bumbling, idiot clones did massive cultural damage to men by teaching them the best thing they can do is nothing. Helping only harms or makes you look stupid.

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    43. Re:Ever notice by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      In what sense is it disrespectful to those characters for the Doctor to regenerate as a female?

      I never said it would be. I'm just saying Doctor Who doesn't really have a lot to answer for in terms of gender equality.

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    44. Re:Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually no. It wasn't until recently that the companions started showing him up on a regular basis.

      Yes, this is a feature of the new series. The classics did have many occasions where the companions played a major role in saving the day but still he was rescuing them more often than the other way around.

    45. Re:Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every competent male is a sign of sexism! Even if he's a different species! Even if it's not technically male but a sentient polymorphic nanite swarm using a male voice actor! Even if it's a formless energy from outside of timespace that communicates only by causing hallucinogenic operas!

    46. Re:Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because in recent years it's become culturally acceptable for males to be put down on television.
      (To say nothing of violence against men in Hollywood movies.)

      Look at how one popular talk show recently joked and laughed about a man being viciously castrated in the United States.

    47. Re:Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, we don't think we'll start a new show. We think we'll just take-over your show.

      signed,
      Feminists

      PS We have you & the rest of society by your balls. Who's the bitch now?

    48. Re:Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then, she was just lying because scripted kisses on TV were old news by then.

    49. Re:Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems there is a subset of people out there who just can never be happy unless they are going against the grain.

      Those would be the *interesting ones*. The ones who are happy going with the grain pretty soon become part of the grain.

      Go with the grain and get reaped, imo.

    50. Re:Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the first two female companions were showing him up. Susan and Barbara.

    51. Re:Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get over yourself. Britain has a Queen and a Female PM the US has a Black President. WHO CARES...
      Doctor Who was a British show, and still has British roots but if you are deluded enough to think in the age of information/communication technology it is still a British show and not a world wide show then you are lost.

      A qualified person should have those jobs because they are qualified not due to some advance in social agendas. I am in no way trying to make the argument that persons mentioned are/were in those positions for purely social reasons and I do think that they are they are qualified to be there; but when race and gender become a qualifying parameter we are losing out. Intellectually, who is best qualified?

    52. Re:Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. First they shout "The Doctor must be a woman", then it'll be The Doctor must be gay, or a visible minority, then filter through whatever disabilities, agendas or cause du jour is in vogue. And anyone who objects is [i]obviously[/i] racist, homophobe, non-inclusive, etc.

      I know it's now been established in Who canon that regeneration can cross genders, and I'm fine with a female Doctor as long as the reasons for doing so aren't merely to pander or for shock value. Good storytelling should drive the show, not politics.

    53. Re:Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spot on.

    54. Re: Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which reminds me, Top Gear is in need of a female touch. We should replace May with a woman. He's god long hair and wears flowery shirts already. Nobody will notice.

    55. Re:Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Liz Shaw would like to disagree with you... As would Susan, Leela, Sarah, Romana, Ace, etc...

    56. Re:Ever notice by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sarah Jane Smith was very much a strong female role model, and solved several mysteries on her own. Most of the time The Doctor solved things before her during her era, it was because it either required some esoteric knowledge that you don't get from growing up on Earth, or because it required some technology from the TARDIS.

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    57. Re:Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He is getting old.

    58. Re:Ever notice by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      notat all the point i was getting at. Simply put, men and women are not equal. and that is ok! The problem is there is a movement that is trying to say that everyone is equal when it simply isnt true. not being equal doesnt mean one group is less than the other, just that they are different. The only reason to change the char to a female is to push a politically correct agenda. 40 years of the show, and now some people make a big deal about the fact that hes a man? what next men getting upset that cat woman is a woman and not a man?

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    59. Re:Ever notice by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      im sure it could turn out well, im just saying start a spin off if that is the way you wanna go rather thn change the entire 40 years of programming to placate feminists, (who IMO are the worst group of people out there these days, pushing for things that make no sense.)

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    60. Re:Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that "subset of people", would also happen to include its fucking *creator*, Sydney Newman, who back in the 80s suggested a female lead to counter the falling ratings of the time that ultimately lead to the show's departure from television (cancellation) in 1989.

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/doctor-who/8052694/How-Doctor-Who-nearly-became-the-Time-Lady.html

      if shortsighted nitwits such as yourself weren't bbc executives at the time, perhaps the doctor would have been a female, more than once, from the mid-80s on, and just perhaps the program would never have experienced that sixteen-year layoff (i.e. cancellation) before its revival in 2005.. that's a potential for 100-150 episodes thinking like yours has prevented from happening. so.. gee, thanks for that, you fucking moron.

    61. Re:Ever notice by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      More men get mouth cancer from HPV then women get cervical cancer from HPV.

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    62. Re:Ever notice by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      FYI an 'old fashioned liberal' (Classic liberal: one who is for liberty) is now called a libertarian.

      Liberal has morphed into the exact opposite of what it used to mean. They are now the group who think people can't handle liberty.

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    63. Re:Ever notice by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      I recall one of the old old assistants would actually show him up intellectually quite often. It's been a while: maybe I'm thinking of Mel?

      I just recall a couple of them were quite smart, and then one or two of them were more fighting-skills than intelligence.

    64. Re:Ever notice by wiredlogic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      it's a showcase for smart, self-empowered women.

      It's a common trope of portraying men as bumbling fools in need of a woman to steer them through life. Witness just about every sitcom and police procedural in existence. There would be much hell raised if a female doctor was constantly being upstaged by a male companion in the same manner.

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    65. Re:Ever notice by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      That's Janeway for you, the practical Captain. Probably the best Captain of the lot, which is why they promoted her. Picard's a better explorer and diplomat, Kirk's the hotheaded troubleshooter...but Janeway is a balance.

      Sisko doesn't count, space station....and I loathe the 90's "Grittier and Darker" thing going on. That trend ruined comic books!

    66. Re:Ever notice by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      The clones were more idiots than Tim, who was portrayed as a reasonably intelligent guy who let his love for "More Power" go to far sometimes. He was smart enough to listen to Wilson when he gave him good advice and in general he was portrayed as a "good guy who loved his family"

    67. Re:Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't look like they have trouble, because if they did, they wouldn't be taken seriously.

      I found this article, and those it links to, highly illuminating: http://www.thegloss.com/2012/11/12/career/bullish-life-men-are-too-emotional-to-have-a-rational-argument-994/4/

    68. Re:Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slow your kneejerk, young Padawan. This is a sticky problem. Because the problem is about population distribution.

      If 51% of the population is female, but only 12% (pulling hypothetical number out of my ass) of pop culture role models were female, what would be the solution? Should feminists sit down and agree on which 39% are doing something "wrong" by merely being male, and attack them? That's absurd.

      The disproportion is systemic, so the response is naturally also systemic. Remember that feminists are ultimately just a big group of people, too, not some single-minded organization. If one feminist happens to like Doctor Who, then that one feminist might write an article wondering why Doctor Who couldn't take advantage of its nerdy plot device to tip the proportion a little closer to that of the population at large.

      Oh, and be wary of your own perceptions.

      We just heard a fascinating and disturbing study, where they looked at the ratio of men and women in groups. And they found that if there's 17 percent women, the men in the group think it's 50-50. And if there's 33 percent women, the men perceive that as there being more women in the room than men.

      Not everything every feminist does is a good idea. But the movement as a whole is certainly necessary. The gender divide has some alarming symptoms that are very easy to overlook.

    69. Re:Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what was that quote from the last Batman movie? "some people just want to watch the world burn"

    70. Re:Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But bumbling as the man is, he's still the one who ultimately solves all the problems; the woman is only useful as a token oracle, telling him what he should do and rarely having much influence herself.

      Tends to cut both ways.

    71. Re:Ever notice by Common+Joe · · Score: 1

      It's a common trope of portraying men as bumbling fools in need of a woman to steer them through life. Witness just about every sitcom and police procedural in existence. There would be much hell raised if a female doctor was constantly being upstaged by a male companion in the same manner.

      If I understand you correctly (that the doctor is always upstaged by his female companions), then I disagree. The doctor holds his own and is sometimes upstaged by them, but not always. In the modern Doctor Who, they seem to share the spotlight in a well balanced way. In the (very few) older versions of Doctor Who that I've seen, he seems to have some strong women companions too... quite a novelty for the time they were made.

    72. Re:Ever notice by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, I meant the parent comment, not the author of the article. And I meant the inter-racial aspect of it, not details about it being scripted or not.

    73. Re:Ever notice by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      Sisko wasn't the star of the show. Quark and Odo were the stars.

    74. Re:Ever notice by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Did we watch the same show? The creators are on record as stating that they made Tim a total idiot because they hated the dad from Leave it to Beaver and how he was confident, masculine, and solved problems.

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    75. Re:Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Other than maybe the X-Files, I got nothing.

    76. Re:Ever notice by mellon · · Score: 1

      E.g., Hillary Clinton, U.S. Secretary of State, about whom a game was recently released called "Slap Hillary." If that's not respect, I don't know what is.

    77. Re:Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's not forget what happened when they let Deanna drive. 1701-D crashes into a planet because she didn't go away from the explody part AND the planet. Then a couple years later, 1701-E gets rammed into Shinzon's flying penile compensator and wrecks a good half of the ship...

    78. Re:Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

    79. Re:Ever notice by The_Revelation · · Score: 1

      Peh! You, sir, have no vision. I see a potential laugh-a-polousa as the Doctor gets up to crazy antics like his first period, his first accidental pregnancy, "that" buttfloss episode, lesbians again, and so much more! The writing team can go home!

    80. Re:Ever notice by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      And she was the perfect foil for the Doctor.

  4. No by davidbrit2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    No, because that means Samuel L. Jackson would be out of the running. (Admit it, you'd watch that.)

    1. Re:No by oodaloop · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Hand me my sonic screwdriver. It's the one that says bad motherfucker on it!"

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    2. Re:No by Vermonter · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Say 'exterminate' again, I dare you!"

    3. Re:No by thereitis · · Score: 0
      Genius! Actually... I probably would watch that. :)

      I'm actually not a Doctor Who fan (nothing against it... i'm too impatient to watch it) so I may be misunderstanding how "regeneration" works, but imagine for a second a Doctor who's been a man for over 10 generations who wakes up to realize he's now a woman! It might be interesting if they scripted it as if the woman still had the mind of the original male Doctor. "man realizes how some people treat women" angle. "man can't wait to be a man again" "man spends too long in the shower washing his privates" I dunno. :)

    4. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I have had it with these mother****** Daleks on this mother****** spaceship!"

    5. Re:No by TWiTfan · · Score: 2

      Neither Samuel L. Jackson nor Chuck Norris could ever be the Doctor. No one would buy the series lasting beyond the one or two episodes needed for them to kick the shit out of every conceivable bad guy in the universe.

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    6. Re:No by khallow · · Score: 1

      It might be interesting if they scripted it as if the woman still had the mind of the original male Doctor. "man realizes how some people treat women" angle. "man can't wait to be a man again" "man spends too long in the shower washing his privates" I dunno. :)

      Because that would be a real issue for an alien who was born into a culture which not only eliminated such stereotypes before humanity ever existed, but for which such sexes were an evolutionary vestige (Gallifreyans were sterile).

    7. Re: No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're too impatient to watch a 45 minute show? What do you watch, 5 minute cartoons?

    8. Re: No by aitikin · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it's called Robot Chicken and it's TV for the ADD...

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    9. Re:No by Talderas · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm tired of these motherfucking daleks on my motherfucking ship.

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    10. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, because that means Samuel L. Jackson would be out of the running. (Admit it, you'd watch that.)

      Hell yes I would--and I haven't watched Doctor Who since Tom Baker! Damn, I'm old :-(

    11. Re:No by Megane · · Score: 1

      "Hand me my sonic screwdriver. It's the one that says bad arse motherfucker on it!"

      FTFY

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    12. Re:No by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      It might also be interesting if he spent the time discussing advances in contemporary technology and the implications of upcoming scientific research.

      It just wouldn't be Doctor Who.

    13. Re:No by tech.kyle · · Score: 1

      Time, motherfucker, do you wibbly-wobbly it?

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    14. Re:No by Arawak · · Score: 1

      Damned right I'd watch that. "Snakes on a TARDIS".

    15. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats exactly why it would suck to make him a woman.. A couple of cheap sex change jokes and complete loss of interest from all viewers. Bye bye one of the best shows ever (except for the last seson, which was garbage, no wonder Matt quit).

    16. Re:No by UppercaseM · · Score: 1
      People swap genders in reality; why not science fiction?

      Why do we have to extend this PC crap to everything in life?

      Because everyday in every medium women get sexually objectified and have to deal with it. The best way to get rid of feminism is to get rid of sexism.

  5. and how do you resolve the paradox by thaylin · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The Dr had a wife and child. Unless you are going to make the time lords all capable of changing sex, and boy could that get confusing with some times straight some times gay families, he cannot we a woman.

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    1. Re:and how do you resolve the paradox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      It has already been established in canon that they can.

      "See that snake. The mark of The Corsair. Fantastic bloke. He had that snake as a tattoo in every regeneration. Didn't feel like himself unless he had that tattoo. Or herself a couple of times. Oo hoo! She was a bad girl!"

    2. Re:and how do you resolve the paradox by Thugthrasher · · Score: 2

      One of the few things Neil Gaiman has done that I don't like (it was his script, if I remember correctly, though I don't know if it was his idea to have that in there).

      Don't get me wrong, now that it's there, I would accept a female Doctor, but up to that point there had been no indication that time lords ever changed sexes. With sex being a changeable characteristic, labels like "mother" and "father" get confusing and they've previously been used. What do you call a time lord who fathered you while he was male, but is now female? What if your birth mother is still female? Are they both mother? Are they both father? It just seems like it doesn't add all that much to the show except a level of confusion (it's not like there is a shortage of actors to play the part).

      Of course, I realize this is all my opinion and, like I said, I would accept a female actor there, now that it has been established as canon. I just think it was a silly idea to establish it as canon.

    3. Re:and how do you resolve the paradox by teslar · · Score: 1

      Unless you are going to make the time lords all capable of changing sex

      Meet the Corsair Also, Romana was at least once capable of choosing what she would regenerate into (though I don't think that got mentioned again since) - so I guess that if the Doctor wanted to regenerate as a woman, he could.

    4. Re:and how do you resolve the paradox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a terrible excuse not to make The Doctor a woman and there so many ways they could get around that:
      1) Never mention it. They hardly mention the fact that The Doctor had a wife as it is, and since he is the last of the Time Lords there isn't much of a chance of it being an issue in the future.
      2) For all we know most Time Lords take regeneration as an excuse to get a new start on life.
      3) Maybe Time Lords don't have the same issues with homosexuality as you do and wouldn't mind being gay for a while. The Doctor certainly never seems phased by it when he encounters gay people on the show.

    5. Re:and how do you resolve the paradox by firex726 · · Score: 1

      I fail to see how that's even a paradox. At best your argument is that it's make things confusing, which for Who likely could not get that much worse.

      Wife is a non-issue, and his daughter was not the result of normal biological functions.

      Also it was established in a passing quote that the Corsair had the ability change his sex. As well as another comment about being able to change sex in "The Doctor's Wife".

    6. Re:and how do you resolve the paradox by Osiris+Ani · · Score: 1

      With sex being a changeable characteristic, labels like "mother" and "father" get confusing....

      ...to your limited human understanding. Seriously, bearing in mind that there are non-fictional species on Earth that can effectively change their reproductive systems within their own lifetimes, that's hardly the most imaginative, alien concept ever to pass through the canon of the Doctor.

    7. Re:and how do you resolve the paradox by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

      capable of changing sex

      Corsair.

    8. Re:and how do you resolve the paradox by Thugthrasher · · Score: 1

      ...to your limited human understanding. Seriously, bearing in mind that there are non-fictional species on Earth that can effectively change their reproductive systems within their own lifetimes, that's hardly the most imaginative, alien concept ever to pass through the canon of the Doctor.

      Oh, I know this. That's why I accept it now that it's canon. It is just my opinion that it's a needless complication that doesn't provide much benefit. I'm not saying they are necessarily wrong for doing it or anything. I also don't think it necessarily brings down the quality of the show (unless they were to one day hire a terrible actress as the Doctor, but that could just as easily happen with males) It is just something I don't particularly like. Basically, I guess the best way to explain my feelings for it are that if I were in charge of the show, I would have considered the idea and rejected it. Doesn't make me like the show any less, really. It's a fine line, but I overanalyze things, anyway.

    9. Re:and how do you resolve the paradox by confused+one · · Score: 1

      Don't be silly. The genetic father remains the childs father even if the father regenerates as a female. Similarly the genetic mother remains the childs mother after regeneration, irregardless. What you label them is strictly a function of culture.

    10. Re:and how do you resolve the paradox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the Corsair was special. It seemed to be different from other Time Lords and as such unliked and untrusted by all except The Doctor.

    11. Re:and how do you resolve the paradox by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      They aren't changing their reproductive system. The Time Lords' reproductive system is the genetic looms - they're sterile. It's just changing their vestigial physical characteristics.

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    12. Re:and how do you resolve the paradox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They aren't changing their reproductive system.

      Nor did anyone actually say they were.

    13. Re:and how do you resolve the paradox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rule #1: The Doctor lies.

    14. Re:and how do you resolve the paradox by AliasBackslash · · Score: 1

      The Doctor has mentioned in several episodes now that he had kids back on Gallifrey.

    15. Re:and how do you resolve the paradox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It had already been hinted at before, when the Tenth regenerated into the Eleventh. He noticed his somewhat longer hair and exclaimed "I'm a girl!" before checking for an Adam's apple.

    16. Re:and how do you resolve the paradox by Agent0013 · · Score: 1

      Seriously, bearing in mind that there are non-fictional species on Earth that can effectively change their reproductive systems within their own lifetimes

      You may want to look into what some animals on Earth are capable of. There are in fact some fish that can change their sex. I believe that frogs might be able to do that also. And in hyenas the lead female will grow large labia and appear to be a male when the group lacks a true male. Here is one link to get you started.

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    17. Re:and how do you resolve the paradox by Osiris+Ani · · Score: 1

      Seriously, bearing in mind that there are non-fictional species on Earth that can effectively change their reproductive systems within their own lifetimes

      You may want to look into what some animals on Earth are capable of.

      And then he went on to give me examples of things about which I'd already written, as quoted. Of course, that I wrote about it seemed to imply that I already knew this.

    18. Re:and how do you resolve the paradox by Agent0013 · · Score: 1

      Sorry about that. I read your sentence wrong, thought I saw you saying there are NOT not-fictional species. I guess I should look more carefully before posting my replies.

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  6. Doctoress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well it shouldn't be a woman just because of the gender. If they find a good woman to act Dr, let it be.

    1. Re:Doctoress by JustOK · · Score: 1

      Doctor, not Dr

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    2. Re:Doctoress by mellon · · Score: 1

      Yes.

    3. Re:Doctoress by metrix007 · · Score: 1

      Dr is an abbreviation for Doctor...relax.

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  7. Only a silly uneducated Yank would write this by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 5, Funny
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    1. Re:Only a silly uneducated Yank would write this by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do-wDPoC6GM

      This already happened.

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    2. Re:Only a silly uneducated Yank would write this by quenda · · Score: 1

      For those with no time for a 20 minute youtube link,

      The 13th Doctor was played by Joanna Lumley. (Definitely a Woman.)
      Nobody can say the BBC never let the girlies have a turn.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_and_the_Curse_of_Fatal_Death

      http://doctorher.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/1956-239x300.jpg

  8. Why does anyone like this show? by Karmashock · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It seems awful to me. The writing is bad. The characters are bad. The plots are bad. The props/special effects are bad.

    Is it something we Ironically like because its so bad or does it have good aspects I've over looked?

    Don't get me wrong. I love science fiction. But this seems like garbage.

    Anyone have an idea as to what I'm missing here?

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    1. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by thaylin · · Score: 1

      I believe it is something you have to go into knowing it is not as good graphically or plot based as something like Eureka or Stargate. Once you do that it becomes a fairly good show.

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    2. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Becasue it isn't scifi for adults, it's drama for teens, and those who have fond memories of watching it at a younger age usually still like it.

    3. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Karmashock · · Score: 0

      Okay... I can accept a show having low standards. But what are its good points? I don't get the point of the show. It just seems bad.

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    4. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Nyder · · Score: 1

      It seems awful to me. The writing is bad. The characters are bad. The plots are bad. The props/special effects are bad.

      Is it something we Ironically like because its so bad or does it have good aspects I've over looked?

      Don't get me wrong. I love science fiction. But this seems like garbage.

      Anyone have an idea as to what I'm missing here?

      Those sort of comments made me do the beating up in High School. "Talk shit about my Doctor will you?" *Punch in the eye* "EXTERMINATE!" *kick* "EXTERMINATE!" *kick*

      But seriously, most of what you said is what makes Doctor Who so charming. At least old Doctor Who. But they used to do 3 hour story arcs, now it's a 45 min story.

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    5. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes a sense of humour! Of course it's campy. That's the fun of it. Not everything has to be a huge budget block buster or a super cerebral dark and moody drama. Some times, a lunatic in a bow-tie and a fez is just what you need to chill out after a hard day's work (but that's me. you mileage may vary). Besides, some of the plots over the years have been quite convoluted with small details tying many episodes together. You got to watch more than one to get that.

    6. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by ruir · · Score: 1

      Good thing is a bad plot and it is british and not american, otherwise the good Doctor would have turned black some years ago. Is everyone mad with this terrible political correctness and "reverse" racism?

    7. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also it has no explosions caused by bullets hitting a car tire, no bodybuilders screaming slogans only three words long yet still incomprehensable, no storylines designed to last for 20 seasons only to be cancelled after the second season, nobody trying to be "cool" or "edgy" or "bad-ass". Quite frankly, it's a breath of fresh air amongst so many sci-fi series desperately trying to appease pubescent boys.

      I thought Dr. Who would be tacky/cheesy/lame as well until I actually saw a whole episode, now I'm hooked.

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    8. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      garbage

      It seems you are not British, so perhaps you see it differently to us. A lot of the Russell T. Davies stuff was cheesy crap, but Moffat's episodes are good. Many of them are quite dark and produce a real sense of drama.

      It works both ways of course. A lot of US shows that people rave about seem pretty bad to us too. Many of the good ones have British actors in the major roles.

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    9. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by The+Pirou · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It takes different strokes. Possibly you don't appreciate the story because you're not familiar with older plot lines from 30 years ago that are quietly addressed. Possibly you've never read any of the well written books from that time either. Possibly you like Mango Ice cream or Kardashian's when everyone else is going 'yuck.' It's television. If you don't get it, don't hurt your brain trying to figure it out. Some people simply have different tastes, and your perception of lame is someone else's uber. It's perfectly reasonable to hate the old black and white shows, specific Doctors, or the entirety of the show, but it's not a mathematical proof that can be explained to you in hopes that one day you'll understand (especially since you've already walked into the conversation with the idea that Dr. Who blows monkey chunks).

      My Uncle has been taping the show since it's inception, and he owns every book that came out prior to 1992. He's hated every single Doctor since 8, and calls the current show all manner of names. He'd agree with you that everything currently playing is garbage, but then again, he thinks the only good think on TV these days is H20.

    10. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by YukariHirai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In spite of its legendarily low budget in... well, just about all of it prior to the Christopher Ecclestone series, it's been some groundbreaking science fiction. Oh it's had its dud episodes, you might need to suspend disbelief more than you would for most other TV shows, and the special effects should be taken as a symbolic gesture rather than actually looking like something, but it does actually do some pretty interesting stuff.

      That said, it's not everyone's cup of tea. Culturally, the show is very British, so Americans don't tend to "get" it as much as the British or Australians.

    11. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by TWiTfan · · Score: 1

      I'm as nerdy as they come and I never got it either. The show always seemed cheesy to me, with awful everything. But, oddly enough, I did like BBC's "The Tomorrow People" which was at least as cheesy (though not as generally awful).

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    12. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Thugthrasher · · Score: 1

      Actually, they have recently (I don't know if it was this regeneration or the last one) offered the role to a black actor. He turned them down, but it's not like they ignore black actors when they try to decide on the next Doctor.

    13. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 0

      It seems awful to me. The writing seems bad to me. The characters seem bad to me. The plots seem bad to me. The props/special effects seem bad to me.

      There you go. All your issues resolved. You have your opinion, lots of people will share it and lots won't. That's life. Posting about it here isn't going to gain you any great insight into why some people enjoy things that other people don't.

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    14. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Humor, fun camp, and a lot of "so bad it's good."

      It's all a lot of very subjective, your-milage-may-vary sort of stuff. /11

    15. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by LordLucless · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Really depends on what you've seen. A show that's spanned half a century has some good ones and some bad ones.

      If you want to check out the best of what the new series can offer, try The Girl in the Fireplace, or Blink.

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    16. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Babylon 5 got old graphically, but its story arcs are brilliant.

      I watch shows for stories. Some watch for graphic fireworks. I wonder, too, what other reasons might there be to watch a show. I couldn't believe that Doctor Who is SO popular when i tried watching it.

    17. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by hjames · · Score: 1

      Sounds like all you've ever seen are the old episodes before the reboot, when all the villains were wrapped in aluminium foil or rubber suits,
      and the special effects consisted of flashing lights or making the image go negative. That program originally ran from 1963 to 1989.
      Try the new episodes from 2005 or later ... much better fit for contemporary audiences - and much better than most of the dreck on the PsiFy channel (ugh)!

    18. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by marcuskincad · · Score: 1

      garbage

      It seems you are not British, so perhaps you see it differently to us. A lot of the Russell T. Davies stuff was cheesy crap, but Moffat's episodes are good.

      Dinosaur's on a Spaceship..... Lemme guess, you were the one person who enjoyed Snakes on a Plane. ;)

    19. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A long time ago it was the only sci-fi around anywhere on tv.

      People still think it's a long time ago?

      I don't know. I watched the old ones when i was a little kid. It was neat. And no commercials on pbs.

      All this new shit could have come straight from the syfy channel tho. It's garbage.

    20. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not science fiction, it's science fantasy and it has already been co-opted as a social commentary tool a long time ago so a woman would fit right in. Until the 80's it was a cheap sci-fi show, since then it is fantasy commentary for those who cannot handle real science fiction.

    21. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never really got it either, but prepare to be downmodded by an army of Doctor Who fanboys. Believe it or not they're about as rabid as Apple fanboys.

      Hmm, maybe there's an intersection there - maybe to like Doctor Who you have to be a hipster be like, it's so counter-culture liking stuff that's crap.

    22. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      I consume a lot of british television. I'm what you might call an anglophile. So that doesn't wash.

      If anything, my experience with that raised my standards of what I should expect from it.

      The writing is BAD. Look at the dialog and tell me its good. Then look at the stories... the plots. Find me a good one. What about the characters. Is the doctor a good character? What about his various hangers on?

      Look, people apparently like the show so my opinion doesn't really matter. But what is the draw to it? Honestly?

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    23. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by SirGarlon · · Score: 2

      Nostalgia. Try a couple of the Tom Baker episodes from the 1970s: say The Talons of Weng-Chiang, The Ark in Space, or Genesis of the Daleks. If you don't like those, then Doctor Who is probably just not for you. (I cannot recommend anything from the more recent seasons because I haven't gone out of my way to find them in the US.)

      If you are looking for great production values and special effects, the Doctor Who is definitely not for you. It's always been campy, yet cerebral. Much like classic Star Trek, the merit lies in colorful characters and intelligent themes.

      Even in the good old days, there were bad scripts mixed in with the good. That's going to happen in a series that runs for 33 years.

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    24. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some episodes are really good. After watching the awful those episodes shine the more brightly.

      Sadly if you started watching with Matt, yeah bad writing and awful acting. Matt wasn't that bad, but Amy and Rory were god awful.

      Go watch Blink and The Girl in the Fireplace. Silence in the Library is also a good one. Those are some of the jewels you can find if you don't run away after season 1.

      Even a lot of the bad episodes with Tenant have good moments, he was perfect for the role. Just the progression into a darker doctor was great and hit it's high in Waters on Mars in my opinion. He went from someone that cares for the time line and adheres to time lord laws to someone no longer content with the cards dealt.

      Maybe it's the hero notion that's attractive. His only weapon is his intellect yet his enemies quake in fear at his mention. He's like a fireman strolling by at the right moment. And like a harbinger of bad things to come if you see him. Someone always dies, but he does save most of them. He's a good man, refusing to ignore "evil" and having to keep going to war. An old man with childlike curiosity and lots of hope. Merciful to the wrongdoers but gives "no second chances". What's not to love? ;)

      "He never raised his voice. That was the worst thing... the fury of the Time Lord... and then we discovered why. Why this Doctor, who had fought with gods and demons, why he had run away from us and hidden. He was being kind..." ... "We wanted to live forever. So the Doctor made sure we did."

      I could list so many great quotes... Go watch the series! :D

    25. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Yaotzin · · Score: 1

      Being from the "wrong" country/culture is hardly a viable reason. I'm sure there are millions of people who enjoy Dr Who in the US. I used to like it, I watched the 3 first (new) seasons and I enjoyed the first season. The second had its moments but the third was quite frankly hard to watch. I'm not sure if the show declined in quality or if I simply wearied of it. Maybe Tennant was simply a too implausible and contradictory character for my tastes. Anyway, I too have difficulty understanding how people can be almost fanatical about the show (calling themselves 'Whovians' and what not). Some arcs have been really good, but the overall quality of the series is simply too bad for me to be able to follow it any longer than I did. I am neither British nor American by the way.

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    26. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by bobstreo · · Score: 1

      It seems awful to me. The writing is bad. The characters are bad. The plots are bad. The props/special effects are bad.

      Is it something we Ironically like because its so bad or does it have good aspects I've over looked?

      Don't get me wrong. I love science fiction. But this seems like garbage.

      Anyone have an idea as to what I'm missing here?

      So ELI5:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9P4SxtphJ4

    27. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simply said: We love the idea of it so much, that we accept being disappointed nearly every fuckin' time.

      Also, apparently it's a childrens' show.

      The again, the first Angels episode, "Are you my mommy", a bit of The Silence, and that whole Bad-Wolf-holy-shit thing were about as good as it gets. Also, the "Doctor's wife" episode by Neil Gaiman was really good.

      Other than that, you're right. It is extremely fuckin' campy and cringe-worthy in every single aspect.

    28. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its supposed to be absurd and silly with unbelievable circumstances and middle of the range effects, that's the point. Its kind of like the "cult classics" here in the US, The Evil Dead, Tremmors, They Live. The actors were mostly amateurs, the effects were cut rate even for their day, and the scripts left quite a bit to be desired. The actors/directors knew this and worked with it, and that made them enjoyable.

    29. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      garbage

      It seems you are not British,

      Based on not liking Doctor Who, or on using "garbage" instead of "rubbish"?

    30. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by bberens · · Score: 1

      For me the show has a good combination of single episode watch-ability and long term (multi-year) story arcs, most of which you probably aren't expecting. Yes, the special effects and some of the other stuff is pretty cheeky sci-fi stuff, but it's pretty cool imho.

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    31. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by dbIII · · Score: 2

      Most of the stuff written by Douglas Adams and played by Tom Baker (among other highlights with other writers and actors) made people think it's worth it for the rest that has a few elements inherited from earlier bits of Dr Who. "Brain of Morbius" and "City of Death" are two stories that bring to mind the quote that great artists steal.
      The series has been going on for so long that it has jumped the shark a dozen times but then got back on the bike and recovered to do something well worth watching again for a while until the next shark jump. There's plenty of good stuff along with the bad.

    32. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just not your cup of tea, really.
      Some people like dark comedy, some people like dry, some people hate soaps, some people love Twilight for some ungodly reason.

      Some people call me insane when I say Indiana Jones was bad. (I much preferred every other fantasy adventure of the same decades, though)
      Indy just felt awful to me. It wasn't even a technical marvel, every other fantasy film that decade was a decade ahead of it. That melting-face scene was so terrible and will forever stay in my mind as a low point. And then they throw a shitfit when I say the 4th was the most tolerable. Nostalgia goggles are the worst.
      But I can see the appeal.
      Still doesn't explain why I like Red Dwarf and not it. RD had similarly awful sets and special effects, glorious IMO.

    33. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      The writing is BAD. Look at the dialog and tell me its good.

      Doctor Who: Do I have the right? Simply touch one wire against the other and that's it. The Daleks cease to exist. Hundreds of millions of people, thousands of generations can live without fear, in peace, and never even know the word Dalek.

      Sarah Jane Smith: Then why wait? If it was a disease or some sort of bacteria you were destroying, you wouldn't hesitate.

      Doctor Who: But if I kill, wipe out a whole intelligent lifeform, then I become like them. I'd be no better than the Daleks.

      What's objectively wrong with that?

      Then look at the stories... the plots. Find me a good one.

      Again, totally subjective. I could reel off a list of stories I enjoyed, like City of Death (time travel experimentations by an alien split across time into several personas threaten the moment of life's creation) or The Curse of Fenric (an ancient God is awoken and threatens 1940s Earth with a nerve toxin apocalypse with help from "vampires" from an alternate future), but if you don't like them, does that make me wrong?

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    34. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      Agreed.

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    35. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Warma · · Score: 3, Interesting

      While I try to refrain from insulting entertainment by insinuating that it's aimed at pubescent boys, and while this might make me seem one in your eyes, I feel that Dr. Who actually is cheesy and lame.

      I had avoided the show for various vague reasons until recently, when a friend of mine forced me to watch the first episodes of the most recent series to change my mind. While the writing was rather interesting and the retro visuals had enough charm to make me understand why someone might like it, there are some serious problems with the show.

      First, I was annoyed that The Doctor is portrayed as somewhat all-powerful for no reason at all. He can threaten his enemies and make appeals with no credentials whatsoever. I kind of understand that scenes where he says that "the Earth is protected" by him are perhaps awe-inspiring to a 50's born nerd who has watched all of the previous 200 episodes, but I really don't get why the aliens he is currently facing won't just incinerate him on the spot. To an outside observer, it simply seems like a lame would-be superhero saving the day by just boasting about it. This is actually repeated twice during the first three episodes.

      Secondly, while all of the previous posters are talking about strong female leads, I was left with pretty mixed feelings about this character in the most recent show. Of course she is shown as intelligent and resourceful, but at the same time, she is shown to be a slave to his charms, eloping the very day before her wedding. The convenience of the former is rather astounding, as the series of course contains time travel and implies that the female lead can experience a whole new life, whisked away to adventure by an exciting man, and still return to her life with the random beta (or absence of it, depending on the attitude of the scriptwriters), like nothing had happened.

      Is this really what being a strong woman is about?

    36. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      Just to be clear, are you talking about just the current run or the whole series back to '63.

    37. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by bkr1_2k · · Score: 1

      As someone who thought the older shows were complete crap but has enjoyed the newer Doctors, I can't answer. I can say the effects are better than they used to be, though still somewhat campy, and they seem to have moved away from always fighting the Daleks, which I think is a massive improvement.

      The writing is still bad but it has also gotten better-- enough that I'll actually watch the show. I have found that it's more about the characters other than the Doctor, which I never noticed in the half a dozen episodes I watched growing up, and that's what makes me like it now.

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    38. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by lkcl · · Score: 1

      doctor who is great because he always "solves the problem". so many TV programs - especially soap operas - teach and encourage people to complain or to take revenge on others.

    39. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would have to guess you are missing episodes before the last half season. The last 6 or so episodes were really, really bad.

    40. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by nedlohs · · Score: 2

      Oh please. Blink is as well written as anything written for a weekly TV show. Which is amazing since the lead is a female and Moffat can't write females (which happens to be the best reason for not having a female doctor).

      Yes there are also terrible episodes.

    41. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by augustw · · Score: 1

      "The Tomorrow People" wasn't BBC show - as the wiki you linked to says, it was "Produced by Thames Television for the ITV Network".

    42. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by ruir · · Score: 1

      I am not talking about ignoring black actors, I am talking of not having a single american show in tv where a minority has to have always someone as a lead character. gosh, they even wanted to have a black actor for Thor, before being a scandal because it didn't make sense.

    43. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by D'Arque+Bishop · · Score: 1

      First, I was annoyed that The Doctor is portrayed as somewhat all-powerful for no reason at all. He can threaten his enemies and make appeals with no credentials whatsoever. I kind of understand that scenes where he says that "the Earth is protected" by him are perhaps awe-inspiring to a 50's born nerd who has watched all of the previous 200 episodes, but I really don't get why the aliens he is currently facing won't just incinerate him on the spot. To an outside observer, it simply seems like a lame would-be superhero saving the day by just boasting about it. This is actually repeated twice during the first three episodes.

      To be fair, that would be like asking why an old retiring captain would be the one sent to meet with Earth's most persistent enemy for peace talks. (Aka, Star Trek VI.) There's been enough backstory to show that Kirk is Starfleet's most successful and well-known captain, plus sending a well-known enemy of the Klingons to peace talks shows a certain symbolism.

      It's the same way with Doctor Who. Even simply counting the televised appearances, he's been around for so long that his exploits have become legend, and anyone reading up on them quickly learns not to underestimate him. It's even well-established that the most feared, genocidal, and intelligent race in the universe is so afraid of him that they only purposely seek confrontation in dire emergencies. Essentially, while it may seem like badass boasts, almost every time I've seen him do it it's A) to someone who knows him already, or B) to someone who has access to information that lets them know he is not to be trifled with.

      In short, in the series, it's taken for granted that if it were that easy to just incinerate him on the spot, it would have happened long ago. He's just usually too lucky and clever to let it happen for the most part. ;-)

    44. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Uncle has been taping the show since it's inception

      If this is true, please tell him to share his collection. Archiving wasn't considered important when the series launched, and there are are several missing episodes.

    45. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its not fucking americans saving the world again

    46. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it's a children's show. The writing *is* bad, the characters are rubbish, the plots are bad. The props and special effects are fantastic compared to the ones I grew up with in the 80s but they're still shit. It barely even counts as science fiction; it's much nearer fantasy. But the thing is, it's a children's show. All of that is fine if it entertains kids, and it seems that it does.

    47. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most species have heard of the doctor through legends. Don't forget he is the last survivor of a time war involving most of the galaxy. He is seen as a powerful warrior which had destroyed quite a few civilisations/species during that war.

      Then since the 1950s, when the show started, he has been kicking as to all invading species on earth and other planets.

      He definitely has the credentials to talk like a bad ass and threaten anyone he wants.

      I don't think Clara really is charmed by the doctor, more for what he represents, exciting adventures. Most of the companions in the modern series were a lot more interested in the adventures than in him. Clara definitely is flirting with him, but that is just who she is, she regards flirting as a game. He sees Clara as a curiosity, the impossible girl.

      And the only companion he was ever interested in was Rose, but it took a few seasons before that happened. Also he lost her, she is located in another dimension he cannot reach. He has build an emotional wall as not to fall in love with a companion again.

    48. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Thor, they cast some black guy as Heimdall. Heimdall, who in myth was explicitly called "the White God" and whose whiteness was noted as being particularly remarkable. Way to go. If we're going to prove we're not racist it's better to do it by not being so fucking *patronising*.

    49. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Ioldanach · · Score: 1

      Oh please. Blink is as well written as anything written for a weekly TV show. Which is amazing since the lead is a female and Moffat can't write females (which happens to be the best reason for not having a female doctor). Yes there are also terrible episodes.

      Actually this is one of the better reasons for casting a female Doctor for one regeneration. Moffat would end up (possibly inadvertently) writing the Doctor as a male personality even though the Doctor would have regenerated as a woman. There are many character traits that the Doctor carries through regenerations, and it might make sense that a female Doctor, an individual who's been a male for thousands of years, wouldn't act the way we expect a human female to act.

    50. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by D'Arque+Bishop · · Score: 1

      On mature reflection, I think it should be fair to point out that a big theme of Steven Moffat's run on Doctor Who is the fact that the "badass boasts" you complain about are a bad thing, to the point where the Big Bads of both seasons 5 and 6 ended up being alliances of races afraid of the Doctor and his ever-increasing ego. In series 7 he calms down considerably, to the point where he tries to keep a low profile whenever possible.

    51. Re: Why does anyone like this show? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The show is (and has always been) uneven, sometimes its so great you can hardly wait for the next episode, some times you just want to puke because its so bad. You have probably been unfortunate in the episodes you have watched.

    52. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      To an outside observer, it simply seems like a lame would-be superhero saving the day by just boasting about it. This is actually repeated twice during the first three episodes.

      I would call that a genre convention.

      To an outside observer who has not yet tuned in to the emotional tone, it would be "obvious" that Batman could cut the crime of Gotham City substantially by getting over himself, investing in a sniper rifle, and using it appropriately. Likewise Superman could make the world a better place simply by separating a few skulls from their cervical vertebrae with the effort of a pinky finger (in fact, given his strength, it must take quite a lot of mental effort to not be accidentally killing people all the time). At a simplistic level, this logic is unambiguously correct. But it would drift the tales towards the kinds of stories the authors have no interest in telling.

      Doctor Who employing a Gallifreyean transphasic forcefield generator in his belt buckle for the purpose of absorbing a few pointless volleys of laser fire before entering the dialogue stage of the scene would get old pretty fast. I have actually seen Doctor Who do the moral equivalent, but used more than once per season and it just becomes dull -- it is only fun if it can catch the audience by surprise in some respect.

      Every sci fi and fantasy genre work is lame until the viewers tune themselves in. Hard science fiction (.e.g 2001: A Space Odyssey, Minority Report) is not substantially different than soft science fiction (e.g. Star Wars, Doctor Who) in this respect.

    53. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      The comparison with Star Trek is apt. The last time I went back and saw the three original seasons, in my 20s, I found that 1/3rd were a tolerable kind of terrible, 1/3rd were okay, and 1/3rd were great. Star Trek exceeded expectations of many viewers, in the context of the times, and for that it earned a lot of affection.

      I am a fan of the modern Doctor Who series, which is usually pretty good IMHO, even if not always. When I watched some of the old Doctor Who episodes, I am reminded of ST:TOS in terms of the writing quality. I do not doubt there are many many excellent old Doctor Who episodes. Whether it is worth watching 20 episodes in order to find 3 gems is a question everyone has to answer for themselves.

    54. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by pwileyii · · Score: 1

      Perhaps it isn't your cup of tea, but I quite enjoy the show and the history of the show. I've watched or listened to every episode from episode number 1 and enjoy it immensely. I've seen shows that I don't like and other people do and I just assume that it just isn't my cup of tea. I've also gone back and watched those shows and liked them significantly more years later. The writing on Doctor Who is hit and miss sometimes, but I think the characters are fairly well hashed out in general. The enjoyed the Clara story from the current series and am interested to see if they do any more with it or if she will just become a normal non-mysterious companion. I liked David Tennant a bit more than Matt Smith, but I thought Matt Smith did quite well and was very quirky, like people have come to expect the Doctor to be because of the 4th Doctor, Tom Baker.

      Overall, I think it is better to just call it something you don't enjoy then to basically troll and insult all of the shows fans by calling everything about the show bad. I will agree that some of the episodes are hit and miss, but there have been some excellent episodes and some that I haven't enjoyed very much. I've also found with shows that I really have to get into them to enjoy them to there full extent. I need to get an understanding of the characters and the setting and just the general feel of the show and writing to enjoy it. I tend to really get into a show or not watch it at all. I don't have a middle ground.

    55. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Tom · · Score: 1

      but I really don't get why the aliens he is currently facing won't just incinerate him on the spot.

      Yeah, that's one of the spots where you really need the background story. Without exception, all the alien races that came had encountered The Doctor before - and were defeated. Plus he is the guy who ended one of the largest wars ever, almost wiping out two of the most powerful races in the universe. That does give him a bit of credentials.

      Secondly, while all of the previous posters are talking about strong female leads,

      Yeah, she comes across as one of the weaker ones. Martha and Clara are much stronger, IMHO.

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    56. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by The+Pirou · · Score: 1

      No such luck. The entirety of the collection was lost to the elements during Andrew in '92 (along with more Golden and Silver age comics than I like to recall). A tornado took out the end of the house in Cutler Ridge, Superman #202 the lone survivor of the collection because I happened to be reading it that night.

    57. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      I watch a lot of british programming... and I like science fiction... I even like British science fiction.

      Dr Who however isn't really science fiction. There's no science in it. It isn't logical or rational. It poses no interesting questions philosophical, logistical, or metaphysical. Its just this endless stream of nonsense with the punch line always being "I"M THE DOCTOR"... and then more incoherent babble follows.

      Now that is clearly not for me. I wanted to know why this is for anyone else?

      I love Douglas Adams and Red Dwarf... but Dr Who... Don't get it.

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    58. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      ... Did a dr who fan just threaten to beat me up or imply that he could have done so in some theoretical high school?

      If you want to play that game... I'm pretty sure the varsity baseball team would have been very happy to work you over for even attempting it. But whatever, bro. You doubtless didn't intend to throw out a threat but it came off that way. Might want to watch that.

      Regards from someone that would just like decent writing in television. As in... actually f'ing try.

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    59. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stargate? Frickin' Stargate?

      If you'd nominated, say, any of the 'Trek franchise, or anything involving Joss Whedon, I'd see where you're coming from. But are you seriously, honestly, earnestly contending that the writing/plot in Stargate is better than that in Dr Who?

      That's just insulting.

    60. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Previous 200 episodes'? I think you mean 'previous 750'.

      And actually I agree with you about the writing. It is extremely lame, in that case and many others. But it still breaks ground and comes up with interesting ideas and curveballs that other shows simply don't, often enough (to me) to be worth watching.

      If your friend is a fan, he/she probably has the episode called 'Blink'. Ask if you can watch/borrow that, then maybe you'll begin to appreciate it. You may still not like it, but you might have a better appreciation to go with your personal distaste.

    61. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My guess is you're thinking of the original series. Since it was brought back in 2005 the show has been higher budget than it once was. Granted it's still done on the cheap but they've had some pretty cool creatures on it like the Silence and the Weeping Angels. There was a Doctor Who spinoff called Torchwood which was even lower budget and it was eventually ported to the USA. They actually increased the budget and Americanized it and it lost a lot of what was good about it.

    62. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lot of what is good in the show is the story, the humor and the overall characters. One episode I show people who haven't seen the show is "Blink" which was in Season 3. It's a standalone episode which carries a lot of what is good about Doctor Who. Basically the premise revolves around the Weeping Angels which are creatures that turn to stone whenever anyone looks at them. However, when you aren't looking they are very fast and if they catch you they send you back in time and live off the energy of what your life would have been. The episode doesn't feature the Doctor much and it's hard to explain w/o ruining too much but it shows how well the show can be done on the cheap and gives you a good feel for the show. I don't usually recommend the first season (to introduce them) because it got better with time and the first (9th) Doctor wasn't very good. The last regeneration was also pretty bad ass. A regeneration is when the old Doctor dies (basically) and a new Doctor appears who has all his memories. The 10th to 11th Doctor regeneration was very well done and was sad and exciting at the same time. You can find these clips on youtube.

    63. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your observations aren't wrong. In its current incarnation, the show does ride on wish fulfillment and moving speeches.

      Earlier versions of the show played out more like Boys' Own adventures, with long, serialised story arcs that usually just focused on some spooky alien menace threatening the UK. The Doctor would usually prevail just by being clever, but with a nice moralising monologue at his moment of triumph. Earlier versions of The Doctor were much more like father figures or friendly uncles, with young 'companions' for the audience to identify with.

      Then it went out of production for 16 years.

      Since its reboot in 2005 - especially since David Tennant took up the mantle and lightened its tone - it's very much been a family-oriented show. The stories are shorter, simpler, and more topical, written to appeal just as much to mums & dads & gramps & nans as it does to the kids, and to provide talking points for the dinner table. Every story now has a neater wrap-up, a more topical monologue, and a war-cry of "tolerance and diversity!" - and recent Doctors have all been younger and sexier than the Patrick Troughtons and Jon Pertwees of old.

      So yes, it's now pretty cheesy, but it's more accessible to an all-ages audience. You don't have to like it, any more than you have to like pre-packaged ice-cream cones - but if you think about it, you'd probably agree that any example of a long-running, high-rating sci-fi TV show is, overall, a positive thing. Imagine if your favourite sci-fi TV show had that ability to regenerate itself every time its life was threatened.

    64. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While Amy Pond starts off as you said "A slave to his whims". This quickly changes as her character evolves(and as she sees the faults of The Doctor). In the beginning, she sees an idealized version of the Doctor that she has been dreaming up since she was 5. You really get to see the start of this when she rescues the star whale from having it's brains needlessly scrambled by The Doctor. Also she isn't eloping since she can always come back to the moment she left.

      The Doctor can get away with bluffing every now and then, because everyone knows that he single handedly destroyed the two most powerful races in the universe. They assume he has some awe inspiring crazy death beam lined up. You would have known this just from watching a few of the David Tennant episodes. I haven't watched much from before Chris Eccleston, and can enjoy most of the inside jokes.

    65. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Did you see the last couple of series? They did cover some more existential questions that only arise if you happen to be a 900 year old time traveller.

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    66. Re:Why does anyone like this show? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been a fan for 36 years, and I totally agree with your criticism about the Doctor's boasting that "the Earth is protected". And the classic Doctor didn't run about waving his sonic screwdriver in people's faces either. It seems to me the plots have become lazy and insubstantial in the last couple seasons, and too many inside jokes. It's like having lunch with a sales team you've never met.

      Anyway the Doctor is male and the regeneration process works differently in male & female time lords, so they'd have to come up with some kind of exception to the pseudo-scientific canon to cast a female lead.

      Strong women? In Doctor Who? I'd have to go all the way back to the Tom Baker years. Louise Jameson as Leela (whose character these days would be considered offensive stereotype) is still my favorite. She'd threaten to cut someone's throat if they looked a tiny bit suspicious.

  9. It's been done before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    In Curse of the Fatal Death.
    It's not cannon, but it was the first Doctor Who "episode" of sorts that Steven Moffat wrote, and I have seen some minor gags in the series since Steven took over as show runner taken from Curse of the Fatal Death.

  10. Will they be brave enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Will they be brave enough to do a Colin Baker on a female Doctor?

    You know, Colin's first appearance as The Doctor was pretty psychopathic and violent toward his female companion.

    David Tennant often displayed un-heroic tendencies against some of the monsters.

    Hell, the very first Doctor was a barely human character who was definitely not a sympathetic or even mildly heroic character.

    Would they be brave enough to not only show a woman Doctor, but show one who was as far from Dudley Do-Right as the male versions have been?

  11. Time Lord by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The clue is in the title. Who ever heard of a "Time Lady"?!

    1. Re:Time Lord by LordLucless · · Score: 5, Funny

      The clue is in the title. Who ever heard of a "Time Lady"?!

      Um, everyone who ever watched season 16?

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    2. Re:Time Lord by Chas · · Score: 1

      Romanadvoratrelundar (A.K.A. Romana).

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romana

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    3. Re:Time Lord by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Romana, played by the rather lovely Lala Ward.

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    4. Re:Time Lord by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would seem to imply that though they have the ability to regenerate their appearance, they're gender is inherent to them and consistent.

    5. Re:Time Lord by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ugg,, they're -> their I changed the sentence structure but failed to change that to match :(

    6. Re:Time Lord by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The clue is in the title. Who ever heard of a "Time Lady"?!

      Um, everyone who ever watched season 16?

      And the Rani.
      And the female members at the table in Time Lord garb in The End of Time.
      And The Doctor's line in The Doctor's Wife where The Doctor makes mention of the times The Corsair was a woman and, "she was a bad girl..."
      As well as Romana I and Romana II
      Much argument about DoctorDonna and River Song.

      End analysis: Don't even try to show your geek chops around Slashdot unless you are a fanboi or girl.

    7. Re:Time Lord by Beorytis · · Score: 1

      ...and Mary Tamm.

    8. Re:Time Lord by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Romana was a time lady -- played by Mary Tamm and Lalla Ward.

      It was explained in those episodes that male time lords cannot choose their form, but the females can and do choose. The Doctor complained that Romana was replicating the body of an actual person and it struck him as wrong somehow. But she liked the body and kept it.

  12. No, just no. by Rantank · · Score: 2

    If you want a sci-fi story with a strong female protagonist, then feel free to write one. Leave the doctor alone. He is a he, has been a he, and should remain a he. He's had complex relationships that would be all too complicated and distracting to bring up and try to weave into a "she". And this isn't that kind of story. It's not meant to be going into social situations and analysing them. It's sonic screwdrivers, weeping angels, tardis and interesting companions. Go away with your politically correct nonsense.

    1. Re:No, just no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why, it would be quite fun. The Doctor changes his gender, travels back in time, sleeps with him/herself, bears a baby and when it grows up it becomes The Doctor ;-)

  13. From people who don't watch the show... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think that people who want to see the next Doctor be some sort of handicapped post-op lesbian hermaphrodite never watch the show but just want to push some sort of agenda to get some checkbox filled somewhere. They would never watch a single episode with their politically-corrected Doctor but that's not really the point.

  14. Interesting Idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If you want to kill what is left of the show.

  15. I know people want gender equality but.. by whois · · Score: 1

    If you ignore the reincarnation aspect and treat it as separate actors playing the same role you might ask if it's time for James Bond to be female?

    It might be time for stories to be written about female secret agents, but that doesn't mean the one agent you've written about has to change genders.

    BTW, nothing wrong with changing genders and in scifi scenarios where it was already written (lots of Ian Banks books for instance) it's welcome that the character might become female or male. If anyone wants to tackle Culture stories as a serial scifi show I would love it (as long as they didn't ruin it)

    I think there is plenty of things wrong with doctor who currently (plot wise) that don't involve gender bending. If they introduced a female doctor it would mean at least two years of stories pretty much devoted to aspects and repercussions of the change. Even if they choose not to address it there would be an uproar from fans about not addressing it, and there would always be the undercurrent of novelty from it.. hehe, look at us we're edgy because we recast the Doctor as female.

    There is a giant untapped group of people, the gallifreyans who are all time travelers. Some of them were female. They could get their own spinoff show. I know they're all dead now in the doctor who universe but there was a time when they weren't dead and the spinoff could be during that period.

    1. Re:I know people want gender equality but.. by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      And "hey, this one's still alive!" is only a technobabble sentence away anyway. The Master survived it (and the 13 regen limit, IIRC). I'm sure Romana VIII is out there somewhere hidden in a stasis bubble between fractal dimensions e and .

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    2. Re:I know people want gender equality but.. by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Apparently Slashdot doesn't like pi. No, they like it. It just scares them and they're afraid to talk to it.

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    3. Re:I know people want gender equality but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But we don't want a spin-off. You're missing the point.
      It's precisely because we know that you want to keep Dr Who male that we want to make him female; just to assert our power.
      And when we have successfully taken what we want from you, to add insult to your injury, we'll continue claiming women are weak and powerless.

      signed,
      Feminists

      P/S We have you & the rest of society by your balls. Who's the bitch now?

    4. Re:I know people want gender equality but.. by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

      James Bond isn't an institution. You don't "elect" a new Bond. If you want a badass super she-spy, then create a new franchise. To me, it's silly to change the character that fundamentally. There are times it works mind you. I thought Michael Clark Duncan was about as close to a Mr. Big as you can find in the real world.

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    5. Re:I know people want gender equality but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are so many deluded and bitter males on this thread it's unbelievable.

      Tip: Look at who 'the 1%' are. Work out how many of them are female. Then you'll know who is *really* in charge.

      Oh no, wait, you'd rather wallow in your own bitter fact-free victimhood, sorry to disturb you. 'The women' didn't steal your balls, they withered in your self-pity.

    6. Re:I know people want gender equality but.. by Common+Joe · · Score: 1

      It might be time for stories to be written about female secret agents, but that doesn't mean the one agent you've written about has to change genders.

      Disagree. Yes, 007 should stay male, but Doctor Who is one of the few shows where a gender change could be done very successfully. Unfortunately, I've seen a lot of comments on Slashdot saying "don't give us a woman", but I don't recall the same vitriol comments when the male Starbuck became the female Starbuck in Battlestar Galactica.

      BTW, nothing wrong with changing genders and in scifi scenarios where it was already written (lots of Ian Banks books for instance) it's welcome that the character might become female or male.

      I'm glad you changed your mind. In the episode "The Doctor's Wife", it was stated that "The Corsair" (a time lord) changed personalities when he / she regenerated as a different gender.

      If they introduced a female doctor it would mean at least two years of stories pretty much devoted to aspects and repercussions of the change.

      Disagree. That would depend on what the writers and producers wanted. Although they'd have to address it some degree, I would hope they mostly stay away from the subject matter as it has very little to do with the Doctor and his / her story lines.

      Even if they choose not to address it there would be an uproar from fans about not addressing it, and there would always be the undercurrent of novelty from it.. hehe, look at us we're edgy because we recast the Doctor as female.

      That, I agree with, although the perception of edgy would probably come from the fans. Only if they flaunted the sex of the Doctor in our faces would the edgy come from the writers and producers.

  16. ...and there's Obama by Kid+Zero · · Score: 1

    I wasn't taking this seriously before The One showed up, but when she invoked him? Total Nonsense.

    1. Re: ...and there's Obama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Especially as the way she invokes Obama, she implies Obama is female.

  17. "13th regeneration" by barlevg · · Score: 3, Informative

    the character's 13th regeneration could be his last

    Okay, first, the article means his TWELFTH regeneration, his thirteenth INCARNATION. Secondly, it's already canon that doctors can regenerate far more than twelve times.

    1. Re:"13th regeneration" by barlevg · · Score: 1

      Oh wow. Even more amusingly, the link embedded in that quote is to the article announcing that the bypass of the twelve-regen limit. Was this a bit of snark on the part of the submitter?

    2. Re:"13th regeneration" by Dorsch · · Score: 1

      Also, John Hurt played an unknown past incarnation of the doctor, hence, Matt Smith is actually at least the 12th doctor.

      http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/John_Hurt
      http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-07-04/doctor-who-the-identity-of-john-hurts-mysterious-doctor-finally-revealed

    3. Re:"13th regeneration" by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Secondly, it's already canon that doctors can regenerate far more than twelve times [wikia.com].

      Not this again.. the only thing that's canon is that the Doctor gave a throw-away response to a question asked in the heat of an adventure. It even says it right there on the page:

      Later statements by Russell T Davies suggest this was likely a joke.

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    4. Re:"13th regeneration" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe that it was said about 25 years ago in the "trial of a timelord" series.

    5. Re:"13th regeneration" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In those same statements by Davies he also said it was "funny" how people latched onto the 13 regeneration limit as though it was set in stone... especially when the 3rd Doctor mentioned being thousands of years old when all future Doctor's (until 11) would state their age at less than 1000 (4th was 750, 9th was ~900, 10 waS ~950, and 11 is currently somewhere around 1200).

    6. Re:"13th regeneration" by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      John Hurt is The Valeyard, who was 'between the 12th and final' incarnations, so a future one not a past one. The Time Lords in Trial of a Time Lord did say 'final' and not 13th though, but it's entirely possible that the Great Time War messed up The Doctor's timeline such that the 13th was not actually his last, or that The Matrix was simply unaware of the later ones as they were unauthorised.

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    7. Re:"13th regeneration" by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      In The Five Doctors, The Master is offered another cycle of regenerations in exchange for his help. It's not clear whether he's given them, but the fact that he accepts indicates that he at least believes that this is within the High Council's power to grant. It's also implied in The Brain of Morbius that the limit on regenerations is arbitrary and imposed so that Time Lord society won't suffer the same kind of stagnation as the Sisterhood of Karn.

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    8. Re:"13th regeneration" by mcswell · · Score: 1

      "the character's 13th regeneration could be his last" But maybe not HER last.

  18. No. by Trogre · · Score: 0

    That is all.

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  19. Re:Moffat won't do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Dude. I can understand someone with only a double-digit IQ misspelling "closet", but misspelling "is"?

  20. Or maybe.... by argStyopa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So somehow changing an indubitably male character into a woman is a 'victory' for women?

    Perhaps we could just work on creating an interesting, engaging, successful female character and celebrate her? Or celebrate one of the many strong female characters already present in media?

    Perhaps there's a moral in here for the whole feminist movement.

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    1. Re:Or maybe.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So somehow changing an indubitably male character into a woman is a 'victory' for women?

      Not only that, but everyone has been wondering for a while what's going to happen when the doctor runs out of regenerations. If you're going to do something as drastic as a gender switch, it probably should be included on that plot, to extend his regeneration count.

    2. Re:Or maybe.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Corsair
      As a recently-mentioned example of Time Lord who varied sex between regenerations. The Doctor isn't indubitably male, they just have an unbroken streak of male regenerations.

    3. Re:Or maybe.... by Tom · · Score: 1

      Perhaps there's a moral in here for the whole feminist movement.

      There is. It's this: A lot of that movement is full of shit.

      To a feminazi, everything is about gender, even when it isn't. No, especially when it isn't. You see, if you don't see how oppressive chauvinistic your choice of tee is, then you are the worst of the lot, as you are not only a male pig, but also entirely oblivious to the patriarchic dominance you are supporting.

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  21. Hopes and glass ceilings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they should keep in mind the way people's hopes are lifted when they see someone breaking the glass ceiling

    They should keep in mind the way people are offended when writers pander with a token character.

  22. How about a new SF series then? by ggraham412 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Surely a science fiction concept with a female lead can be developed outside of the current Dr. Who franchise. Or, a spin-off series featuring a female timelord can be developed in parallel, like Star Trek did with Voyager. The can have separate adventures and then guest star from time to time on each others' shows. Seems like you get more audience that way. Why is there a need to take an established character and turn it into something completely different?

    Dr. Who will always be Tom Baker in my imagination anyway.

    1. Re:How about a new SF series then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They could easily make a spin off with the Doctor's daughter or River Song.
      They already made one with Sarah Jane.

    2. Re:How about a new SF series then? by TDyl · · Score: 2

      Agreed about Tom Baker. For the female - they could just spin-off a new show featuring the Dr's daughter - I'd follow her anywhere ;)

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    3. Re:How about a new SF series then? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

      Or, a spin-off series featuring a female...

      If I can conveniently cut you off just there, there was The Sarah Jane Adventures. More for kids, admittedly, but still. There's also Gwen Cooper in Torchwood (essentially joint lead with Captain Jack, just minus superpowers). And she's a mother!

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    4. Re:How about a new SF series then? by Taibhsear · · Score: 1

      Exactly this. I still don't know why they haven't brought her back yet.

    5. Re:How about a new SF series then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I do believe there have already been a couple of Dr. Who spinoffs relatively recently that were a bit more... let's say unconventional. The Sarah Jane Adventures starred a middle-aged woman and Torchwood starred an immortal bisexual American...

      I'm not entirely sure if these spinoffs are still running, but it's unfair to say that the Dr. Who franchise doesn't experiment with the genre.

    6. Re:How about a new SF series then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spot it. This is just another PC gone mad piece by someone that hates men. Best thing to do is ignore them. As soon as you give them more than the time of the day, they're forcing through literary changes, banning books that show historic context and making companies change their logos.

    7. Re:How about a new SF series then? by nine-times · · Score: 1

      In defense of the idea, the character of 'the Doctor' over the years has been defined by "taking an established character and turning it into something very different." The fun of regeneration is that they get to re-imagine the character, while trying to still capture his 'Doctor-ness'. Also, there's a bit of a problem with doing a spin-off series featuring a female Timelord, in that the Doctor is the only Timelord left.

      On the other hand, I have no doubt that they could write around the lack of other Timelords. It's not as though they've been completely consistent over the years, and I'm sure they'll write out the limit on regenerations, too. There are already a few semi-Timelord female characters floating around-- River, Donna, and the Doctor's half-clone (Jenny?).

      Personally, though, my feeling is that they shouldn't go through great pains to bring diversity to the character. They should go through possible casting choices, and pick the best one. If one day, they find a black actor or female actor or asian actor who would do a great job, go for it. But don't do a female Doctor as some kind of gimmick.

    8. Re: How about a new SF series then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why was this trolling article allowed on the front page? "Glass ceilings" because a woman hasn't played the doctor? What a joke!
      * Starbuck in BSG was VERY popular.
      * Legend of korra is one of the most popular cartoons on TV (female lead and the most powerful in the world)
      * leela turanga is the leader of the crew on Futurama

      So what's the author's next move? Call the mysoginy card? Insist there be 50% female leads in all broadcast TV and movies? Or was this just a thinly veiled "pulp journalism piece" for attention?

      Talking about "glass ceilings" as an argument for having a female doctor who is very poor journalism.

      Also, feminism (or pushing a female cause) is still sexism and is the pinnacle of hypocritical. If the author really "gave a damn", they'd promote anything other than a physically abled white hetrosexual male ... And they might just have an ounce of journalistic integrity. Sadly, not to see.

    9. Re:How about a new SF series then? by rkhalloran · · Score: 1

      Sarah Jane Adventures ended abruptly fall 2011 with Elisabeth Sladen's passing , and Torchwood ended after the fourth series "Miracle Day" co-produced with the Starz pay-TV channel. There was also an early attempt at a spinoff back in the '81 with Sladen "K-9 and Company", and a children's channel spinoff in Australia "K-9"

    10. Re:How about a new SF series then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But we don't want a spin-off. You're missing the point.
      It's precisely because we know that you want to keep Dr Who male that we want to make him female; just to assert our power. (And just like we recently got a feminist to be added onto the 10 pound note in the UK.)
      And when we have successfully taken what we want from you, to add insult to your injury, we'll continue claiming women are weak and powerless.

      We're happy to wait it out ... after all, we live longer than you.

      signed,
      Feminists

      P/S We have you & the rest of society by your balls. Who's the bitch now?

    11. Re:How about a new SF series then? by David_W · · Score: 1

      Exactly this. I still don't know why they haven't brought her back yet.

      Well, for one, they'd have to regenerate her (or something), as Georgia Moffett is more or less out of the acting business now. See http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0595634/bio.

    12. Re:How about a new SF series then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't like sports, but I run with the doctors' daughter anywhere.

    13. Re:How about a new SF series then? by Patch86 · · Score: 1

      Luckily enough, that's not exactly an obstacle in this particular universe...

    14. Re:How about a new SF series then? by Common+Joe · · Score: 1

      I still don't know why they haven't brought her back yet.

      It would be one of the most awkward television moments ever. She's kind of married to both of her fathers -- both of whom are the Doctor. Sort of. It's complicated in a wibbly wobbly timey wimey sort of way.

    15. Re:How about a new SF series then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And a lot tougher than jack, and indeed often scarier, but that could just be because she's Welsh

  23. sez my gay black jewish friend: by obarthelemy · · Score: 0

    "Meh"

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  24. Sacrifice for political correctness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... 'As the producers think about whom they want to take on the role next, they should keep in mind the way people's hopes are lifted when they see someone breaking the glass ceiling, even when it's for something as seemingly trivial as a hero on a science-fiction program. Equal opportunity matters — in Doctor Who's universe as well as our own.'"...

    This is an ARTISTIC endeavour.

    You have just asserted that someone's creative work should be altered so that your political views can be forced onto the world in the guise of behaviour-modifying propaganda. Might I suggest that if you want to see a SF program with 'equality' messages you should write one yourself?

    And you are calling for this without any evidence - it is just your bare assertion that people (read 'you') will be happier if a 'feminist-friendly' Dr Who is created. For your information, my heart sinks every time I see art forced into the service of politics like this...

  25. No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No! It's better to invent a new character and franchise for the ones that want a women

  26. old hat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the new doctor has already been announced last sunday??? its was Peter Capaldi

  27. Here we go again by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 1

    The idea of a female Doctor comes up every single regeneration since Tom Baker hinted at the possibility (presumably in jest). It's no longer an amusing idea, and it is obviously not going to happen (since they have managed to resist the idea ever since then).

  28. Does Summer Glau want the part? by The+High+Druid · · Score: 1

    I think Doctor Who stands out these days for not having a female martial arts specialist who would blow over in a strong wind as the main character. I know, gross over-generalisation, but still . . .

  29. Ms. Dr. Who by l3v1 · · Score: 1

    Well, we've seen Superwoman/girl, Batgirl, Spider-woman, Wonder Woman, Power Girl, etc. so a female so Dr. Who wouldn't be such a big deal...

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    1. Re:Ms. Dr. Who by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because they are different people. Batman didn't turn into Batgirl!

    2. Re:Ms. Dr. Who by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except in all cases those are original characters rather than a male character suddenly turned female.

    3. Re:Ms. Dr. Who by cptnapalm · · Score: 1

      Wonder Woman doesn't belong on that list because she isn't didn't ride on the coat tails of a male character to become well known.

    4. Re:Ms. Dr. Who by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      Well, we've seen Superwoman/girl, Batgirl, Spider-woman, Wonder Woman, Power Girl, etc. so a female so Dr. Who wouldn't be such a big deal...

      Barring one-shots and alternate-realities, all of the above have one thing in common. They're separate people that exist along-side their male counter-parts.

      So, I'd be cool with a show following River or some other female Time Lord. Like for a whole season we have one of them using the TARDIS to find a lost Doctor. But switching the gender of the actual character? That's a little different.

      I wouldn't be opposed to it per-se, so long as the writing stays as fun as it is now. Personally I liked River's aggressive personality. But to switch it would seem like doing it "just because"

  30. Oh, shut up. by geminidomino · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Jennifer Finney Boylan writes in the NYT that for those who did not get beaten up in high school...

    Whining about diversity and coming out with the stereotyping right out of the gate(and yes, it's a quote from TFA, I did check). Maybe she thought that was cute?

    I had a nice rant with lots of big words about diversity not about messing with established characters and missing the point and all that, but you know what? Screw it.

    Why should we bloody-nosed, inhaler puffing masses give a fuck what this imbecile has to say?

    1. Re:Oh, shut up. by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      Whining about diversity and coming out with the stereotyping right out of the gate(and yes, it's a quote from TFA, I did check). Maybe she thought that was cute?

      FYI she's transexual, so 'she' grew up as a boy. What you say is correct, but that just adds another twist to the mystery of her insanity.

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    2. Re:Oh, shut up. by Totenglocke · · Score: 1

      I'm sure next week Ms. Boylan will be bitching that we need the next James Bond to be a woman (Jane Bond) and that when they cast the new Batman for the Batman & Superman movie, that Batman will be a woman named Bryce Wayne.

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    3. Re:Oh, shut up. by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      Wait...
      She was born male, changed to female, now writes about female equality?
      There's just so much possibly repressed/wrong/distorted in that concept I fear engaging in this conversation might drive me insane.

      I thought my friend with the psychiatrist parent had issues...

  31. Should the next James Bond be a woman? by scrib · · Score: 1

    Why not? What other roles have been played by multiple actors that could have a little gender-bending?

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    1. Re:Should the next James Bond be a woman? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell yes. Finally all those sex scenes with hot chicks would suddenly become x1000 better.

      "My name is Jane. Jane Bond."

  32. Really, Boylan? by Velex · · Score: 1

    Really?

    You of all commentators on the new Doctor might just be able to understand why regenerating as a woman, outside of a gag short involving a very elaborate fart joke juxtaposed with crossdresser jokes, might cause a problem for the character.

    Who knows? Maybe that's what you're getting at?

    I still remember throwing your book She's Not There across the room after you did something that's remained unobtainable for me for the past 10 years apparently without a single damned problem or setback. I guess maybe the real "glass ceilings" in this world are just fine for folks who need a damned job to keep a roof over their head because they don't have a way of making money rain from the sky like manna from heaven.

    Look, you want a female Doctor? Dr. Song's pretty much outlived her character's story. Excuse my lack of knowledge about classic Doctor Who. What about Romana? Hell, there's a regenerated female clone of the Doctor out there somewhere galloping about the cosmos. Why not bring the Doctor-Donna out of retirement?

    This has absolutely nothing to do with "glass ceilings" and you know it. The only glass ceilings womyn-born-womyn have are the their own self-imposed ones; I've seen it enough times myself to become physically ill. And don't you dare try to drag a womyn-born-womyn through her own self-imposed glass ceiling! She'll call you "mean" for trying to make her move past "math is hard!" I am so utterly sick of hearing this line from womyn-born-womyn who truly believe this. What the hell am I supposed to do about it when they're too busy viewing me as "all men" and when feminism views me as a metaphysical rapist every time I take my estrogen in the morning?!

    The only glass ceilings rich trans women have are... I don't know, you tell me? When you're rich enough, does that promote you out of the category of a rapist appropriating the female form into a position where you can use feminist buzzwords like "glass ceiling?"

    /rant

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    1. Re:Really, Boylan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well if you're interested there are several websites you can check-out:

      Owning Your Shit
      A Voice for Men

      and they each have Twitter feeds worth following.

      Of course there are many, many more such sites.

      It's worth looking into the Men's Rights Movement (MRM).
      A small number of MRA's (Men's Rights Activists) do spew hatred, but the vast majority are quite coherent individuals who back-up their grievances with solid facts / stats.

    2. Re:Really, Boylan? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      You read her book? What motivation did you have? That's impressive.

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    3. Re:Really, Boylan? by Velex · · Score: 1

      It was recommended to me as an example of a successful gender transition. It actually wasn't half bad.

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    4. Re:Really, Boylan? by Velex · · Score: 1

      No thanks. I've looked into the MRM and been on MRA forums before. Frankly, these people seem more like a support group for men who are seeking foreign brides.

      The sexism displayed by feminism and the sexism present in these groups is equally repugnant.

      Additionally, I don't think they'd want a trans woman like me to foul up their female-bashing. (Much like how feminists don't want a "really a man" like me fouling up their male-bashing.)

      I can't say I've found any kind of group to date that's even interested in gender equality. It's always male vs. female, testosterone vs. estrogen. Sorry, I don't fit into that dichotomy. I just want a world where I can be an individual, where everybody is an individual who "owns their own shit."

      To the feminist, all I have to say in the end is, "You have the wrong person. I don't know what you're talking about wrt rape. I am an individual. I am not all men." To the MRA, all I have to say in the end is, "You have the wrong person. I don't know what you're talking about wrt all these stereotypes. I am an individual. I am not all women/gays/faggots/whatever."

      MRAs want subservient male order brides. Feminists want to castrate me right up until they find out I actually want to be a woman and like being a woman, in which case they attack how I could ever possibly be a woman, and I just wish feminism and the MRM would shut up with the homophobic, transphobic bullshit long enough for me transition.

      No, I'm not a 6'5" manjawed football player in a dress. I got lucky. I actually look good enough for men to come up to me and start flirting. I am regularly gendered female in public, even when wearing clothing that should be obviously male. And fortunately, I'm attracted to men. I just have this stupid problem with needing a paycheck and this stupid problem with the transphobia and how being transgendered must be a mental illness both feminism and the MRM are all too happy to "educate" the public about.

      Half my frustration here is hearing Boylan toe the feminist line when she should damned well know better. Then again, she wasn't in school during the 90s when institutional discrimination against young males was seen as the panacea for the sexism of old males, and she didn't get into a career where she needed to be bashed over the head every five minutes with how sexist one is because there aren't enough women in the field!

      And no, I've read Iron John: A Book About Men. I understand what the author was saying. I am not a victim of some castrated, feminized upbringing. I might be a victim of routine male genital mutilation. However, it's just as simple as when I went to bucket out the pond of my subconscious, I found something quite different from Iron John.

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    5. Re:Really, Boylan? by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      I still remember throwing your book She's Not There across the room after you did something that's remained unobtainable for me for the past 10 years apparently without a single damned problem or setback.

      Hey now, while The Boylan was/is economically privileged, she does know that she was/is and knows that most don't have it so easy. She's not unaware of the economic/class issues.

      What the hell am I supposed to do about it when they're too busy viewing me as "all men" and when feminism views me as a metaphysical rapist every time I take my estrogen in the morning?!

      Ah, have you been hanging out with the radfem sepratists or the MWMF crowd? Those are the only feminists I know of that vilify transwomen. The simple solution is to ignore the radfems, since they a tiny fragment of feminism in general.

  33. There is no more limit to regeneration by Kinwolf · · Score: 1

    It's been confirmed that the Doctor is now more or so immortal http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2010/oct/12/doctor-who-immortal-reveals-bbc

    1. Re:There is no more limit to regeneration by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Later statements by Russell T Davies suggest this was likely a joke - http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Death_of_the_Doctor_(TV_story)#Time_Lords

      Which should be obvious to anyone who's seen the scene in question (the Doctor in fact claims that he can regenerate "507" times). A throw-away line in the middle of an adventure. Now he's on his eleventh (or is it twelfth) life, he's probably anxious to avoid discussion of his mortality.

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  34. We tried a woman in power and it didn't work out. by ciderbrew · · Score: 0, Troll

    Margaret Thatcher was in power here 1979-1990. She fucked over the arts during that time. It will take a few more years to get over it.

  35. Why not by aepervius · · Score: 1

    maybe it would make up for great story ? Sory , but i don't see why the doctor who could not be a lesbian tranny black Muslim in a wheelchair.

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    1. Re:Why not by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      but i don't see why the doctor who could not be a lesbian tranny black Muslim in a wheelchair.

      You mean besides the fact that nobody would watch it?

      What is the intersection of the two sets of "Dr. Who Fans" and people who want to see "lesbian tranny black Muslim" as the Doctor? I'm betting it's vanishingly small.

      Jack Harkness already gives a nod as a character with a, er, 'flexible' sexuality. It's not like they're making out like in the future homosexuals are extinct or something that doesn't happen.

      You can only push so far before you lose your core audience.

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    2. Re:Why not by mellon · · Score: 2

      Apparently you wouldn't watch it, but I sure would. It would make me more likely to watch it. Half the human race is female, and I know lots more female Doctor Who fans than male. So what on earth makes you think that a female Doctor wouldn't get watched? I bet even you would watch it, protesting the whole time. And if you wouldn't, is that an aspect of your character you should be bragging about? What difference does it make? It's a bloody TV show! You make decisions about what to put in a TV show because they're entertaining, and there is no way that a female Doctor wouldn't be entertaining!

    3. Re:Why not by Jerry+Atrick · · Score: 1

      You can only push so far when your core audience is supposed to be children.

      Doctor Who has always tried to appeal to the adults watching with their children but been careful to make sure kids too young simply won't understand those parts. The endless parade of nubile young women may have gone a little too far occasionally but definitely kept the dads onside!

      But make no mistake, slashdot readers are not the primary intended audience and your wants will always be overridden by the needs of making a family show. A female doctor could happen, an openly lesbian, religious or transexual doctor (among many other possibilities) will not. However much I might want to see Eddie Izzard as the Doctor :)

    4. Re:Why not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Doctor would never be a Muslim, any more than he would be a Christian, a Jew, a Hindu, a Zoroastrian, a Martian Day Adventist, or a follower of the FSM. Why should an alien from an advanced civilization be expected to follow any of our backward little planet's superstitions?

      As far as the transexual part, if he regenerated from a man into a woman, that box is already ticked.

      According to Neil Gaiman, a black actor turned down the role, so black is possible. Being an alien, the Doctor's sexuality is alien to our own concepts of gay/bi/straight. At times he seems sexually or at least romantically attracted to women (Rose, Mme du Pompadour, River Song, Marilyn Monroe), but he has been known to flirt with men as well (Captain Jack, Shakespeare). So she could be a lesbian. It wouldn't affect the show too much.

      When he regenerated into Matt Smith, he was thrilled to have legs. It could have been his usual post-regeneration silliness, or maybe it's possible for Time Lords to have different body shapes, with missing or extra limbs. So a wheelchair isn't completely out of the question. But the TARDIS would need to be made accessible. Right now there are a lot of stairs. Maybe one of those wheelchair escalator platforms they advertise during Murder She Wrote?

      So, yeah. Except for the Muslim thing.

    5. Re:Why not by gstoddart · · Score: 0

      So what on earth makes you think that a female Doctor wouldn't get watched?

      You have misunderstood what I said. I suggest reading it again.

      I'd certainly watch a female Dr. Who in a heartbeat -- it's freakin' Dr. Who, of course I'd watch it, and there would be no protest. I just don't think the "lesbian tranny black Muslim" suggestion I was responding to would appeal to many people.

      And that was all I was responding to.

      Until someone pointed out from another post I'd added that time lords can, in fact, change gender from a regeneration, I'd assumed it wasn't possible. But I'll happily concede that I'm wrong on that point.

      Hell, I think a spinoff series with the Dr's Daughter would be awesome. I'm not opposed to a female time lord at all.

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    6. Re:Why not by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      But make no mistake, slashdot readers are not the primary intended audience

      I'd argue a significant chunk of us are the core audience for this show. Many of us have probably watched it for a long time.

      I'm also not opposed to a female Doctor, and never said so -- it was the whole laundry list of minorities I was responding to as being absurd.

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    7. Re:Why not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sory , but i don't see why the doctor who could not be a lesbian tranny black Muslim in a wheelchair.

      I do. First two characteristics refer to her sexuality and one refers to her religion none of which are characteristics of the doctor that we know (or really care) about not to mention needing to explain why an alien would be a member of a human religion. Lastly even if there was some medical condition which a highly advanced, regenerating alien could not fix we are talking about a character who loves to play with technology and has a time machine. So wheels? Really? At the very least s/he would have a chair which could fly and the BBC special effects budget would likely have issues with this.

    8. Re:Why not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never understood the appeal of Dr. Who, but if it starred a lesbian tranny black Muslim in a wheelchair, I think I'd make a point to check it out.

    9. Re:Why not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait.. Is a lesbian tranny a male or a female?

    10. Re:Why not by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      I know lots more female Doctor Who fans than male.

      Maybe part of the reason is that they prefer watching a male Doctor? The transsexual making this suggestion is not very representative.

    11. Re:Why not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and there is no way that a female Doctor wouldn't be entertaining!

      Unless, of course, the writers of the show themselves can't really wrap their heads around the necessary nuances required for a gender change...then it probably will flop.

      If the writers think they can pull it off, then so be it. If they get it thrust upon them by management buckling to public pressure that the thirteenth is going to be without a doubt a woman...and the writers aren't given sufficient time to re-direct and examine the changes that would be needed...then you can expect the show to flop like a fish out of water.

    12. Re:Why not by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      What difference does it make? It's a bloody TV show!

      Great. Then it is settled. The Doctor stays male.

    13. Re:Why not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not the point he is making. Yes a lot of people would continue watching the show if the next Doctor was a female. But a lot of people would also stop watching the show. A shows job is to have the largest number of viewers possible to make the most ad revenue possible. Let's do some fictional numbers games. Let's say the make the Doctor a woman and:
      85% of the audience continues watching
      12% of the audience drops out because they can't stand a female doctor
      3% drop out for other reasons
      1% increase because of female doctor
      6% increase due to show popularity

      That's still an overall decrease of 8%!

      Now let's say they keep it a male (like they have):
      95% of the audience continues watching
      2% of the audience drops out because they can't stand not getting a female doctor
      3% drop out for other reasons
      6% increase due to show popularity

      That's a net gain of 1%.

      See the difference? Yes these numbers were made up and I have no factual base for them. I personally think they are more in favor of the female doctor scenario. But either way the point is it's safer for the BBC to stay with the status quo.

  36. No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No.

  37. should be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LGTB!
    because minorities are far more important than the rest.

  38. Android by zodwallopp · · Score: 2

    Half Dalek, Half Timelord! Time stream cross-species re-integration! Just kill off Dr Who and make the show about his kid. Then stick it in the Firefly universe for half the season until it learns how to use a Tardis properly. SHOVE IN ALL THE OPTIONS!

    1. Re:Android by confused+one · · Score: 1

      is there a New London in the Firefly universe?

    2. Re:Android by zodwallopp · · Score: 1

      It's new to us but it's old to them.

  39. One word... by bazmail · · Score: 3, Insightful

    .. why? If gender doesn't matter any more why are we fixating on it here?

  40. I'm tired of the flamebait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously I am tired of the flamebait articles that publications / web news sites post in order to get page clicks. The whole "The doctor should regenerate into a woman" argument doesn't make any sense. Personally I want to know who the majority of British citizens feel about that. Since, you know, it's a British TV series.

    Fuck tell JJ Abrams to reboot Star Trek again and gender swap Kirk. Do another time travel story that somehow causes his Y chromosome to while still in the womb.

    To me the outcry should be for more TV shows (sci-fi or otherwise) with a female main character, who doesn't rely on anyone else around them to solve the big bad problem.

  41. Sandi Toksvig by rizole · · Score: 1

    ....just saying.

  42. The Institutional Misogyny of Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The general population here is incapable of conceiving of woman as equals.

    Comments on articles like this continue highlight that.

    If a balance of genders is ever achieved, people will simply stop caring but that's clearly not the case.

    1. Re:The Institutional Misogyny of Slashdot by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      The general population here is incapable of conceiving of woman as equals.

      That's hardly the "general population." Just a core group of vocal "feminists" parroting tired old saws about women needing protection from the big bad geeks.

    2. Re:The Institutional Misogyny of Slashdot by ACE209 · · Score: 1

      If a balance of genders is ever achieved, people will simply stop caring but that's clearly not the case.

      Men's rights activists are working on this as you speak.

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    3. Re:The Institutional Misogyny of Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know that I'd equate the suggestion to express a fictional character in a new way by changing its gender with an impassioned plea to protect the wimminz.

      In any case, the feminists in this thread aren't the ones begging for protection from the evil incursions of the opposite sex.

  43. Everything after 2005 written by Davies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Anyone have an idea as to what I'm missing here?

    Everything after 2005 that was written by Russell T. Davies.

    You do make some points that I agree with - the sonic screwdriver has become the Deus Ex Machina of the series. He solves just about every problem with the fucking thing.

    But, as an American, I find a character that solves problems using brains, cunning, and the 'bad guys' weaknesses against them refreshing.

    Entertainment here in the US is all about brute force - usually a gun. The 'good guys' win because they are just stronger, better shots and luckier. It doesn't take much brains to pull a trigger.

    It takes brains to trick your opponent into defeating himself. And that at least from 2005 - 2010 was the theme - or while Davies was the writer.

  44. I don't think the next Doctor should be a woman. by intermodal · · Score: 1

    Or a man. Or black, or white, or latino, or asian.

    I think the next Doctor should be the right person for the role. Everything else is irrelevant.

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  45. Makes no sense ... by gstoddart · · Score: 2

    I realize she's pushing for gender equality here, but the Doctor is male.

    He had a wife and kids, and in the newer series someone made a partial clone of him which is now kind of his daughter. There were female time lords, be he isn't one. So why would his regenerations turn him into a female?

    Now, I don't know how they'd drum up a TARDIS for her, but Jenny should still be out there in the universe.

    I realize that with Doctor Who you may not need to worry about being strictly canonical, but there's never been anything to suggest (that I know of) that regenerations could flip your gender.

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    1. Re:Makes no sense ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We find out that Time Lords can and so switch genders in "The Doctor's Wife." It's canon.

    2. Re:Makes no sense ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes there has.

      See "The Doctors Wife" iirc.

      The Doctor speaks of another Time Lord who had the same tattoo through out all incarnations, some of which were as a female some as a male.

  46. What's there to argue about this? by M1FCJ · · Score: 1

    The answer is: Yes. Next question please?

  47. Oh come on plenty of british actresses could do it by voss · · Score: 1

    Helena Bonham Carter for one

  48. Its an action show now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    who cares what they do, as long as there's a chase scene & lots of splosions.

  49. Some female-lead sci-fi/fantasy shows by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    Buffy. Tru Calling. Dollhouse. Birds of Prey. Dark Angel. Sarah Connor Chronicles. The Bionic Woman.

    Any more?

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    1. Re:Some female-lead sci-fi/fantasy shows by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 1

      With exception to Buffy, all cancelled very quickly.

      If they want Doctor Who canceled quickly, then make the next one a woman.

      I'm not saying its right and frankly don't care as long as its a good actor/actress playing the part, but I mean historically shows that have a "strong female lead" are not ratings superhits. Probably a lot more bigots out there then people want to let on to.

      Just don't make the next Doctor Who a vampire/fairy/werewolf/ghost hybrid that battles zombies.

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    2. Re:Some female-lead sci-fi/fantasy shows by xclr8r · · Score: 1

      Voyager Janeway, Wonder woman, tons of sci-fi anime.

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    3. Re:Some female-lead sci-fi/fantasy shows by Nemyst · · Score: 1

      You could add Voyager, Sanctuary and Lost Girl.

    4. Re:Some female-lead sci-fi/fantasy shows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remington Steel. The actor later did the first Bond film in which James Bond cried. Pussy.

    5. Re:Some female-lead sci-fi/fantasy shows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      historically shows that have a "strong female lead" are not ratings superhits

      That's not limited to sci-fi tv. It has long been known that, generally speaking, most women will watch or read about the adventures of a male protaganist, but that most men will not watch or read about the adventures of a female protaganist. Commercially, it just makes more sense to focus on male leads. Let the market decide.

      Probably a lot more bigots out there then people want to let on to

      Are you really so conditioned to PCness that you must spew a pejorative just because audiences' preferences don't rigidly comport with the feminist worldview? How about letting people decide for themselves what entertainment they consume instead of trying to force their tastes to fit an ideological mold?

    6. Re:Some female-lead sci-fi/fantasy shows by RotateLeftByte · · Score: 1

      Doh,
          This is the BBC we are talking about. They don't simply cancel a show because a few advertisers pull their Ads....

      For those who don't know, the BBC has no AD breaks. Perhaps a few of the US readers might like to ponder a world without TV advertising...

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    7. Re:Some female-lead sci-fi/fantasy shows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps a few of the US readers might like to ponder a world without TV advertising...

      Such a world would be sparse of content and of production value. The US produces about 1000 times the entertainment content as does govt. funded entertainment content from the UK.

      (Your premise is a bit off as well. Ads still interrupt broadcast network programing in the US, but many cable channels use different funding models.)

    8. Re:Some female-lead sci-fi/fantasy shows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It has long been known that, generally speaking, most women will watch or read about the adventures of a male protaganist, but that most men will not watch or read about the adventures of a female protaganist.

      Have you ever stopped to consider why this might be the case?

      If not, GIS for "The Bechdel Test" might be a good jumping-off point.

  50. Too late... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The actor to replace Matt Smith has already been selected and in Canon he is supposed to be the last regeneration.

  51. Re:Ever notice / Fluff opinion piece? by Aguazul2 · · Score: 2

    It is probably a fluff opinion piece, just to stir up some mild controversy -- so she got paid this week. Ever noticed how Magazine articles on BBC news are similar, ask some brain-dead question with a hint of controversy, discuss it a bit, then back down from the controversy without reaching a definite conclusion. This is obviously what keeps 'magazine' readers entertained, and everyone gets paid. It is not to be taken seriously in any way.

  52. no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Doctor regenerates into a new shape, not a new person.

    Go ahead and bring back female Time Lords.

  53. Great idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey, while we're at it, let's bring back the Sarah Jane Smith spinoff series and cast someone equally inappropriate! I suggest Samuel L Jackson. Or Mr T.

    I'm sure they'd make great adoptive mothers for the two alien kids...

  54. No, it has already been done by isj · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Doctor should never be a woman. We have seen how that turns out in the spoof "Doctor Who and the Curse of Fatal Death", where the female Doctor notices the sonic screwdriver has "three settings".
    Links:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_and_the_Curse_of_Fatal_Death
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p18DKN27IZQ

  55. Bingo!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Say maybe an Honor Harrington series or a Kris Longknife series or a mini-series based on Bujold's "Cordelia's Honor" or....
    Somebody in Hollywood, or at the BBC, or ITV or somewhere start using some different stuff. There's lots of material if only producers and studios would try it.
    My biggest fear is how badly some of these studios would mangle these works.

  56. Accidents by GrBear · · Score: 1

    Really, do we need an entire run with the TARDIS crashing into everything?

  57. Re:We tried a woman in power and it didn't work ou by hey! · · Score: 1

    Margaret Thatcher was in power here 1979-1990. She fucked over the arts during that time. It will take a few more years to get over it.

    That was a *woman*?

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  58. Re:Sure why not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's Doctor, not dr

  59. Re:We tried a woman in power and it didn't work ou by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of all the things you pick out that she did wrong you choose fucking over the arts?

    I'd say that's one thing she did right, it was refreshing having a PM that actually put science at the core of policy rather than made up shit.

  60. Re:We tried a woman in power and it didn't work ou by dbIII · · Score: 0

    She fucked things up because she was a simplistic Tory who thought complex problems had simple answers and wasted money from an oil boom on paying people off from their jobs to sit at home instead of paying them to do things with long term benefits. Gender had nothing to do with it.

  61. A female Doctor would force better writing! by Theovon · · Score: 1

    If The Doctor had started out as a women, I think I'd be just as much a fan. Now, keeping in mind that regeneration is fantastical to begin with, to me, the doctor becoming a woman would be like turning James Bond into a women. Different actors or not, James Bond is James Bond, and The Doctor is The Doctor. As Stephen Moffit said, the different Doctors aren't different people; they're all the same man who just can change his appearance. From a genetic point of view, I'm assuming his DNA doesn't change much when he regnerates, and that in Time Lord DNA, there are markers for gender like there are for humans. So turning into a woman would be a more substantial rewrite. And would he really be a woman, or would it be more like a sex change operation? (This is not a debate on gender reassignment, because as far as I'm concerned, people should have control over their appearance and identity. Even The Doctor, I guess.)

    I feel that Doctor Who has done much weirder things, and much of the series from the beginning (if you really want to be honest) has been kinda lame, particularly Series 7 Part 2. I mean aside from "The Name of the Doctor" (which was awesome), the most of the rest of Series 7 has been dreadful. And I could point out more than a few classic serials that were pretty darn awful as well. If they do pick a woman for the role in the future, I'll just continue to watch the show like I always have, on the lookout for those few episode gems, like I always do. However, I might be inclined to assume that they chose a woman mostly because of social pressure, not necessarily because it's a good idea. It MIGHT INDEED be a good idea, but any indication that the producers reasoned based on anything but coersion would not be evident.

    This isn't any different from all the pressure to write a multi-Doctor episode. Stephen Moffit addressed this issue when he (as I mentioned above) pointed out that they're all the same man who can change his appearance. He was only willing to write a multi-Doctor episode if it make a really good story (which is ironic given some of the recent episodes). So likewise, the producers should be willing to gender-change The Doctor only if it's going to do something really good for the series. And that being said, there are LOTS of female actors who could do a fabulous job in the role. Given that any woman they'd pick would be under much closer scrutiny by the fanbase (many of whom would blame the actress for what is really just bad writing), I think the producers would be smart enough to (a) carefully choose an actress who epitomizes the role, and (b) do a better job on the script writing to avoid misdirected criticism.

    And given that last bit of reasoning, I think I'd rather like to see it done. It'll force the writers to do a better job and make the show all-around a lot better.

    BTW, as for the number of times he can regenerate, the producers have said they're not going to respect the limit of 12. In a Sarah Jane Aventures episode, he said he could generate 507 times, which I assume to be just a big number be picked to be funny. Another suggestion I've heard is that because of the time war, the Time Lords reengineered themselves to have no limit on regeneration.

  62. Should the Next 'Batman' Be a Woman? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Should the Next 'Wonderwoman' Be a Man?
    no

  63. Absolutely no by Sla$hPot · · Score: 1

    I didn't have to read the abbreviation.

  64. No, gender changes don't work like that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look if the change was part of the plot structure in a very basic way sure it would work. It would not be a problem if the story is about a transgender character or the character is genderless to begin with, sure go for it. BUT, in case of Dr. Who the doctor is a dude, who has not shown any, transgender tendencies it would be a huge distraction from all of the other (already subtle) plot points which make it good. An interesting example of this going both right and wrong was "The Tempest", Dame Helen Mirren for all her awesomeness is no Prospero, but Ariel (an undefined esence) was excelently cast as generless and changing.

    As for woman power and all that, sure they diserve equal footing (disclamer i'm a man) and would love to watch more SciFi where women are not meerly sexual objects and are self worthy. But just fliping the switch on an existing character is not the way to do it.

  65. Oblig. Kids in the Hall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.metacafe.com/watch/hl-50084726/kids_in_the_hall_art_studio_season_4/

  66. I wouldn't object... by DigitalSorceress · · Score: 1

    I wouldn't object if the BBC chose a woman or a person of color, etc... however, I DO object to such a strong American Point of View on this summary and in the article.

    """
      'Maybe it was the election of Barack Obama that made it seem, fleetingly, as if there were no more glass ceilings, for offices from president to pontiff,' writes Boylan.
    """

    yeah, because this completely USA-centric view of the universe is topmost on the BBC's and series creators minds.

    Seriously people, I've been a Dr. Who fan since Tom Baker was still playing the role, and I've loved and cherished it for all its quirky British sensibilities, and I for one believe that the show's been doing fine for the better part of 50 years (Colin Baker's run notwithstanding)

    I just would hate to see more US-Centric views spilling over onto the show.

    Take, for instance the BBC America version of the show openers during Amy Pond's run - if you were new to the series, the opening would make you think that it was the Amy Pond show and that the Doctor was just the Mad Man with a Blue Box as a plot device for her. That was BBC America "Americanizing" it a bit to try and appear to the US audience.

    Good gods, have any of you seen the American version of Top Gear? It's rubbish... completely and utterly fails to capture the charm and wit of the British version.

    American IT Crowd? The Office? Coupling? Maybe I'm going to piss some folks off, but I think that Americanizing British stuff simply never ends well.

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    1. Re:I wouldn't object... by morgauxo · · Score: 1

      You had better hope that Dr Who remains in Brittish hands. Here in the US it is carried by that bastard channel now knows as SyFy. Do you know what they do with popular series that land in their laps but weren't originally invented in house? After scheduling it for 2am Wednesday morning for about half a season, citing the ratings drop they will take the series right back to where it was in the 90s! You know, episodes like the ones from 1990-1995 or 1997-2004. They would probably end it in a cliff-hanger too!

    2. Re:I wouldn't object... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that Americanizing British stuff simply never ends well.

      Oh, I don't know. Americanizing British govt. got rid of Monarchy.

      I agree about Americanizing British tv though. Something is lost when all culture turns into a uniform mush.

    3. Re:I wouldn't object... by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      I dunno.
      British The Office was good, but the American The Office was good in a completely different way.
      I never saw IT crowd or Coupling in the US.
      Top Gear US bites, it tries too hard.

  67. ...and Tomb Raider by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lara Croft, our beloved archeologist, far better than the male archeologists Indiana Jones and Daniel Jackson.

    1. Re:...and Tomb Raider by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      I have to disagree about Indy. Maybe, if they'd gone batshit insane and made a horrible 4th "passing the torch" type movie with Indy past his prime and aliens and shit, you'd have a point.

      Daniel Jackson, though? Not exactly a high bar to clear.

  68. Re:We tried a woman in power and it didn't work ou by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nonsense. If the arts weren't successful it was their own fault for being badly organised. Why the fuck should the taxpayer have to pay for the arts failure to raise their own money? The arts need to build up a working business model, not constantly rely on handouts from the taxpayer. Failure should not be rewarded.

  69. A transgender Dr. Who ... by Rambo+Tribble · · Score: 1

    ... may be a transmogrification too far.

  70. Re:We tried a woman in power and it didn't work ou by jratcliffe · · Score: 1

    Maggie has already appeared in Who, though... http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Helen_A

  71. There is already a Time Lady running about by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

    has everybody forgotten Jenny??

    i would love to see the "Hi dad whats new??" scene

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  72. Because you are an idiot. by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

    Mr. Pickens, you do realize that the UK had a female PM in the 80's? Or that Dr Who is British so why would American polotics matter so much? Or at the very, very least; that Barack Obama is not a woman.

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    1. Re:Because you are an idiot. by morgauxo · · Score: 1

      >> UK had a female PM in the 80's
      >> Barack Obama is not a woman

      Have you actually checked to verify either of those claims? I surely haven't! Neither are my type.

  73. Ignore this: undoing wrong moderation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There really needs to be a way to undo a moderation slip of the mouse button!

  74. Typical Amerikkkan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DR. Who has nothing to do with Amierkkka so shut your cake hole!

    1. Re:Typical Amerikkkan by morgauxo · · Score: 1

      That's Amerikkka you jackass!

  75. Re:Moffat won't do it by Dishevel · · Score: 1

    Dude. I can understand someone with only a double-digit IQ misspelling "closet", but misspelling "is"?

    To be fair though he is able to spell "is" correct 50% of the time.

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  76. The Doctor regenerates into a male for a reason by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

    I think having the doctor regenerate into a woman would break Who canon.
    The Doctor is a male, so he always regenerates into a male. Unless they wanted show a regeneration gone wrong, and a transgendered woman doctor, he will always be a man.

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    1. Re:The Doctor regenerates into a male for a reason by Common+Joe · · Score: 1

      I know I'm repeating myself since I said it in another comment, but I thought I'd respond directly to you so I could set the record straight: No, it would not break cannon. Not by a long shot.

    2. Re:The Doctor regenerates into a male for a reason by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      But is that not actually evidence for my side?
      The Doctors are an Alien race. That specific Doctor was transgendered, but The Doctor is not; And it would not make sense for him suddenly to become TGed.

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  77. Dr Who's Daughter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Follow the series. There is a female Time Lord.

    http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e358/KclCmdr/Motivator/Gal_DoctorsDaughter_HiDad.jpg

    Also, River Song is a Time Lord,

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Song_%28Doctor_Who%29

    Who regenerated as a black girl at some point.

    http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110828154546/tardis/images/2/2d/ThreeMelodys.jpg

    In addition, there is a spoof where Dr. Who regenerates into a woman.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do-wDPoC6GM

    1. Re:Dr Who's Daughter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think anyone is claiming that the Time Lords are not a duel-sexed race. Hell the Doctor has had at least one wife and children (and grand children).

      The question is: Is the sex of a Time Lord fixed for every regeneration. I don't remember anything in the shows that state one way of the other. Not that it matters too much as something can be changed if required for the plot (The Dominatrix's glow-hammer has reversed the polarity of my midichlorian and now I'm a girl).

  78. Genders need to be static across regenerations by scorp1us · · Score: 1

    What we do know from the series so far is males stay male, and females stay female.

    If genders were dynamic then you would wind up with some very inconvenient time lord marriages. They could end up the same sex depending on how the regenerations go. What do you do then? Suicide until you get a compatible one? It definitely would cause psychiatric issues if they ended up preferring one particular set of equipment. What happens when they die giving birth ans switch sexes?

    It opens too many well, boxes, that would make a mess of the show. NO TRANSGENDER DOCTORS PLEASE. And if they do go through with it, it will be seen as copping to some social equality agenda. Don't politicize our show and trash it in the final regeneration.

    Thank you.

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    1. Re:Genders need to be static across regenerations by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      Actually, read above. The Doctor recently talked about a Time Lord friend of his who would choose to swap genders on occasion during regenerations.

      Episode = "The Doctor's Wife"

      The Time Lord in question is "The Corsair"

      I'm not saying I want it to happen, in fact I prefer they leave it alone. But the writers opened the door.

    2. Re:Genders need to be static across regenerations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What we do know from the series so far is males stay male, and females stay female.

      Except that's not true. According to The Doctor, The Corsair changed genders. It's already been established in canon. http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Corsair

    3. Re:Genders need to be static across regenerations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What we do know from the series so far is males stay male, and females stay female.

      Nope. Read up on 'The Corsair'

      If genders were dynamic then you would wind up with some very inconvenient time lord marriages. They could end up the same sex depending on how the regenerations go. What do you do then? Suicide until you get a compatible one? It definitely would cause psychiatric issues if they ended up preferring one particular set of equipment. What happens when they die giving birth ans switch sexes?

      You'd think that hyper-intelligent ultra-powerful advanced alien beings might just be able to cope with this sort of thing without too much trouble really.

      NO TRANSGENDER DOCTORS PLEASE.

      You seem to find this rather threatening - again, the doctor is an *alien*. Transgender 'timelords' have already been mentioned in the show (with no implication that it was particularly remarkable).

      Don't politicize our show...

      Who do you claim to speak for? I've been watching Doctor Who since John Pertwee, it's as much (probably more) 'my show' as 'your show' and I wouldn't see it as 'politicizing' - a woman Doctor could be just right if well cast, giving a fresh angle on the regeneration issue. Could be *fun* and *interesting* maybe - if done *right*.

    4. Re:Genders need to be static across regenerations by scorp1us · · Score: 1

      I love that episode. But the hint that they can choose to change sex during regeneration is... an interesting one. Other than that hint we've always seen them come back the same gender. I'm willing to write that one off as a joke, because it's always some kind of mystery to the doctor what kind of person he is. If they could control it even a little, that's a pandorica.

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    5. Re:Genders need to be static across regenerations by Setsquare · · Score: 1

      If genders were dynamic then you would wind up with some very inconvenient time lord marriages.

      Just changing ages would make marriages inconveniant. River Song (40ish) married to David Tennent (late 30s) was believable. The marriage to Matt Smith (20s) wasn't. I've even heard a theory where Susan (introduced to viewers as the Doctor's granddaughter) was really the elderly grey haired wife of the Doctor who regenerated into a teenager. Their relationship went sour after they got chaperoned by her school teachers for two years. When Susan fell in love with someone else the Doctor locked her out of the Tardis and left without her.

  79. Re:We tried a woman in power and it didn't work ou by Richy_T · · Score: 1

    Art should be personal. Government paying for it is a travesty.

  80. Peter Capaldi is regeneration #13 by daveywest · · Score: 1

    Based on what was revealed in the last episode before the 50th special, Peter Capaldi is regeneration #13. However, he can be still considered the 12th Doctor, because John Hurt's character is said to have rejected that title.

    1. Re:Peter Capaldi is regeneration #13 by stiggle · · Score: 1

      I thought they'd said that John Hurt was the Valeyard - who is the penultimate renicarnation of the Doctor.

    2. Re:Peter Capaldi is regeneration #13 by daveywest · · Score: 1

      In the final scene from The Name of the Doctor, John Hurt is introduced as "The Doctor", not The Valeyard.

    3. Re:Peter Capaldi is regeneration #13 by stiggle · · Score: 1

      The Valeyard IS a specific version of The Doctor.

  81. Don't do it! It would kill ratings. by morgauxo · · Score: 1

    The Doctor is a man with an almost all powerful tine/space ship that picks up companions... usually pretty girls and runs about time and space having adventures. Come on... don't try to tell me that the viewers aren't mostly geeky males who enjoy that sort of show because they secretly fantasize about BEING The Doctor! (or at least like him) Making The Doctor a woman would be awesome for a couple of episodes, just to shake things up but would quickly alienate the core audience if it continued beyond that. Likewise, a short-lived regeneration would only severly piss off the 'break the glass ceiling' types that want to see a female doctor.

    Don't get me wrong, there are female geeks who would enjoy their turn. But.. even if they were equal in number with the male ones (no way that is true) it wouldn't make any sense to change an already existing show for them. You don't spend decades building up your presence in one market just to leave it and start from scratch in a new one! It would be much better to make a new product (show) for the new market while maintaining the old one.

    So.. As RobertLTux says... Bring Back Jenny!!!! I'm thinking giver her a big role for a season and then spin her off if all goes well. If she gets spun off, make sure to have crossover episodes, those are always fun.

    But, is a spinoff good enough to imply the glass ceiling is broken? Well.. would that be the same glass ceiling that other's have pointed out didn't stop Buffy, Lost Girl, the Underworld movies, Resident Evil and others from being made? Give it a rest already!

    Of course... I'm not Brittish so maybe my ideas of ratings, etc are inapplicable. Maybe things are different over there.

  82. The last Doctor & the first people's president by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, I'm sure the makers of the show will start Saying No to Money in order to keep from violating the 12 regens constraint. Just like how [SPOILER ALERT!] Calculon's character stayed dead after that Tragic! [dramatic pause] Episode! [dramatic pause] of All My Circuits, and we never saw Spock again after Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.

    Also, I totally don't get the part about lack of glass ceilings for presidents. Are you saying that American voters are willing to vote for non-corrupt non-rich people? Seriously? Office of President will always be closed to you people. That's what we the voters have decided and we're not changing our minds.

  83. why? by pbjones · · Score: 1

    The USA didn't give a poop about Dr. Who until 'recently'. It isn't a lame show made in the US with nice PC characters. Dr.Who can kill, lie, and deceive, and make monumental blunders. If it was written in the US he'd be nice and strong. He is male, and regenerates as a male, to regenerate as a female would mean a gender change, just to please a small whiny few. OFFS! The US networks kill good Si-Fi so leave the rest of us alone.(Firefly).

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    1. Re:why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, really? I've been watching Doctor Who in the USA since the '70s.

    2. Re:why? by UppercaseM · · Score: 1

      He is male, and regenerates as a male, to regenerate as a female would mean a gender change, just to please a small whiny few

      He HAS regenerated as a male. That doesn't mean that he has to. The Doctor has been different heights, ages, and personalities as well has having different colored hair, sounding voice, etc. There is no reason that "he" couldn't regenerate as a female other than the fact that a number of male viewers (the larger whiny few) disapprove for no real reason other than status quo.

      If they make a female Doctor, it will not be to please feminists. There is no value in that. Feminists aren't going to watch it just because there's a female lead. It would be because it was something out of the ordinary. It would be so that approximately half of their viewership would have a female hero to relate to and be motivated by. It would be because it's long overdue for a character that completely regenerates with new DNA.

  84. Re:There is already a Time Lady running about by morgauxo · · Score: 1

    It would seem so.

  85. Isn't this a bit late? by Scuff · · Score: 1

    Seeing as how they already announced the new Doctor last week and all?

  86. Should have come back as a Pony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  87. River song episode by tie_guy_matt · · Score: 1

    I was dead set against it until I realized it would make an interesting River Song episode. Would we get an episode where that British Doctor from ER kisses another girl?

  88. Re:We tried a woman in power and it didn't work ou by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    liar.

  89. Here's diversity for y'all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who says the next doctor won't be a Fabulous Doctor Who. By the end of his first season he'll have dropped the sleaze and picked up one of Tolkien's* favorites for a companion. A "Hobbit" like chubby little boy toy complete with a lispy falsetto voice, ticklish rolls of fat and an annoying giggle. And sure to be a fan favorite, an embarrassing blush at every innuendo. Now there's diversity for y'all.

    But my vote is for a Lesbo Doctor Who. My first wife's lesbo cousin always had the prettiest "companions".

    * During a late 70's bookstore visit, on the "reduced" shelf, was a book that described Tolkien as the most fabulous of Dons. A tall flamboyant character complete with bright color lined capes and chubby little boy groupies. In a book - must be true!

  90. There is no social "should" in creative works. by eepok · · Score: 1

    Doctor Who is a creative work. To ask if a new Doctor should be anything aside from meeting certain plot points or general variety would be to ask if "Harry Potter should have been a female..." or "The lead animated character in Cars should have been an automobile made in India."

    The creative works do not belong to "the people" and thus doesn't have any obligation to meet their self-imposed standards of fairness or equal representation.

    That said, I thought the next Doctor should have been Sue Perkins partially because female, but mostly because her personality is inline with the Doctor's.

  91. "Should" is not the question by Beorytis · · Score: 1

    I think the gender issue is really a non-issue. Good writers could make a plausible explanation (though some fans will still complain) and a compelling character.

    Considering that both Colin Baker and Peter Capaldi played supporting characters on the show before taking The Doctor role, I'm sure we could find some past supporting female actors up to the task. My suggestions in order of preference:

    1. Raquel Cassidy (Miranda Cleaves in "The Rebel Flesh / The Almost People")
    2. Helen McCrory (Rosanna Calvierri in "Vampires of Venice")
    3. Sophie Okonedo (Liz 10 in "The Beast Below")
    4. Amara Karan (Rita in "The God Complex")

    BTW, does anyone remember the campaign for a female Boba Fett? The site is gone, but here it is on the Wayback Machine.

  92. One and only. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tilda Swinton... no one else should be considered

  93. Yup. That's what he and I said. by Dr.+Manhattan · · Score: 1
    "[E]verything must be co-opted". No one made any discussion whatever of why this particular example might be worth exploring. A concrete proposal was made to censor everything else. You've hit the nail on the head. Kudos...

    I can see why you're an Anonymous Coward.

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    1. Re:Yup. That's what he and I said. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure if serious.....

  94. Looking at the number of people objecting here... by itsdapead · · Score: 1

    Then they should definitely do it next time round provided (a) they can get a good actress and (b) come up with some good scripts. In the show's "reality" there's no reason why it couldn't happen*, and this is exactly the sort of debate that SF/Fantasy can and should provoke.

    Female Doctor + male space-marine type companion could be fun.

    *Aside from the whole Corsair transgender-regens-do-happen thing, they've missed an opportunity this time to get round the 12-regen limit: they could have had the current Doctor really die and let another character take up his mantle. Plenty of candidates: Clara's now all twined up in his timeline, Jenny (female clone) is still out there, as is Donna (human/doctor mashup - if she can somehow remember without her brain exploding) and although River is technically dead, she's still available for download.

    However, they've gone for Peter Capaldi. I don't doubt he'll do a good job. Actually, nobody out there seems to doubt that he'll do a good job. Maybe they've played it a bit too safe?

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  95. Do a Romana or Corsair spinoff by stiggle · · Score: 1

    We've had female timelords before in earlier Dr Who storylines.
    Why all the sudden need to change the sex of the lead character - why not just do a spinoff. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do it.
    A nice self-contained mini-series expanding the storylines for Romana (who stays female), or The Corsair (who changes sex).

  96. The answer is simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The answer is no.

  97. It's been done, and it was fine by uCallHimDrJ0NES · · Score: 2

    "Wrath of Eukor" does it seriously, "Curse of Fatal Death" does it humorously. It does work. It's fine. It doesn't matter. Also, not worth making a big deal about. Since the community can't seem to be gender neutral, if I were a programming officer at the BBC, I would probably advise against it...just to avoid the banal public discussion.

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  98. NO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you want to make dr who a woman ok that's fine, but don't do it for "equality or political correctness" because if you do it for that reason you will be guaranteed to make a inferior product.

    Putting a woman in now would be too predictable though in this day and age.

  99. And a male Romana? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about a female Superman? Male Phoenix!

    How about, and this is really out there, create a female character of some female protagonist NOT The Doctor!

    I don't see anyone trying to cast a male actor in the role of Angela Langsbury, do you? That's because rather than make an old character the opposite sex "because we can", they go ahead and MAKE A NEW CHARACTER FOR THEM.

    The same problem with the USA's version of the "new" Sherlock holms, with Watson as a female. Would have been a hell of a lot less lazy to write a new cop show based on that dynamic.

    1. Re:And a male Romana? by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      I assumed they did that to add a possible "sexual tension" at some point in the future. Sigh.

    2. Re:And a male Romana? by mellon · · Score: 1

      Huh. I didn't think the writing for the first episode was very good (still waiting for the season to come out on Netflix to evaluate the rest). But I thought casting Lucy Liu as Watson was brilliant, and I am looking forward to seeing if they made it work. Angela Lansbury didn't, IIRC, regenerate, so casting a male in that role would be different, although not necessarily weird.

  100. What ever happened... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    To the guy from the last episode of the Key of Time series with Tom Baker. I don't remember his name, but he was a dropout from the Academy who was working for the Dark Lord while trying to get his own tardis up and running?

    Seems like he'd be a perfect candidate for a spinoff. Y'know other than his actor being like 70-80 if he's not already dead :D

  101. Re:We tried a woman in power and it didn't work ou by Markvs · · Score: 1

    Margaret Thatcher was in power here 1979-1990. She fucked over the arts during that time. It will take a few more years to get over it.

    On what do you base that conclusion, when we had TOM BAKER as the Doctor from 1975-1981 followed by PETER DAVIDSON from 1981-1985? Then we had such other Britcom greats as Blackadder, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Blake's 7, Red Dwarf, Antiques Roadshow, East Enders, The Young Ones... plus the rise of British New Wave and Heavy Metal, etc.? Okay, the Bond franchise went from four solid Moore films to the questionable Living Daylights and awful License to Kill starring Tim Dalton, but surely that wasn't all Maggie's fault! And we did get The Elephant Man, The Empire Strikes Back, Chariots of Fire, Excalibur, Gandhi, Pink Floyd's The Wall, Monty Python's The Meaning of Life, Henry V, Highlander...

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  102. Funny you should mention that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Both my friend and I agree not only with that, but that Kenzi is the character which really carries the show (Followed by the Blood King and the Muse, with Bo/Werewolf dude coming in a distant 4th and 5th.

  103. Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who cares?

  104. If you want something in a show, create that show by sandbagger · · Score: 1

    It is not the job of any particular work of art or entertainment to tick all of society's many well-intentioned boxes. My suggestion is to go out and create that vision of art that you want to see.

    If you want to see those characters, create 'em. Say something new. Make a new world with new stories to tell.

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  105. Yes by g01d4 · · Score: 1

    Mary Tamm is the first who comes to mind as a Doctor I'd like to have seen. She would have been much better than many who came after Tom Baker who sent the series into hibernation. Terribly sad that she's gone.

  106. You're objecting about it NOT being female. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So I guess that's equal proof you're just misandrist, right?

  107. Deffinately? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you meant defiantly.

  108. Don't you dare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doctor who is just that, a story about a man who is a timelord.
    Don't even think for a second that a woman would be appropriate.

    You want a spinoff, go for it, but the Doctor, is a man.

    I'm all for equal opportunities, but stop messing with what YOU think things should be, not what WE want them to be.
    I'm not about trash talking either, but I'm sick and tired of gay preaching equality and taking over everything and now women? Screw that, and screw you.
    I'm not ignorant, I'm not biased, but leave this story alone. You want something comparable JUST because you want a female main character? Make your own.
    Stupid effing women-ists/feminists, whatever. Go away.

  109. Hillary Rodham Clinton??? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Screw that! Elizabeth Warren or Wendy Davis, maybe.. Or even better Chaka Khan. Hillary always leaves me with that 'not so fresh feeling'.

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  110. Simply respond like this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Doctor regenerates a male body every time because that's what he wants, he gender-identifies as male. It's the same reason that we've never seen a Doctor who's too fat to walk and moves around in a wheelchair; he doesn't want that kind of body, so he doesn't ever regenerate one that's like that.

  111. Newsflash: OBAMA IS NOT THE SAVIOR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For fuck's sake. Why is it that Obama getting elected somehow makes everyone think it's actually possible to walk on water?

    The only thing Obama's election indicates is that it's possible for America to elect someone that's dumber than they are, and Americans are pretty fucking stupid.

    Wake up, America. If you thought you were the laughing stock of the rest of the world when Bush was President, you should see yourselves now.

  112. Why should it change? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You state it must change as axiomatic, but I wonder if you're vere actualy reasoned it through.

    Is it necessary that it has to be a female doctor because women exist too? Or is it just as true that men exist?

    Why does the doctor have to become female to decide if women are as good as men?

  113. I call poll! by notthegeneral · · Score: 1

    Can we do a poll on this, Slashdot? It would be interesting to see how the community as a whole stands on this.

  114. If she is hot. by rssrss · · Score: 1

    Get a really hot actress (I nominate Eve Green) to play Dr. Who. The time machine could destroy her clothing every times she uses it, so she would have to spend a few minutes naked on each show. I think it would be really popular.

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  115. Get your grubby PC mitts off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Keep your politically correct, diversity obsessed grubby hands off my Doctor Who. The character is a dude. Go start your own Sci-Fi franchise and I'll let you know if I like it.

  116. not a chance by Xicor · · Score: 1

    the decades of lore suggest that he changes his appearance and personality when he dies... nothing in there suggests that hes able to change sexes... and honestly, one would think if he WERE capable of changing sexes, wouldnt it be a 50% chance?

  117. Long held mythology? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The whole 12 generations thing was revealed in the 4th doctor - season finale "The Deadly Assassin" - barely a comment in the last part of the episode (literally just a comment - it wasn't even the doctor who said it).

    Honestly if people didn't keep mentioning it most people would have forgotten the scene by now.

  118. Yeah, a word to the wise, Jennifer Finley Boylan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We're not American so we couldn't give the slightest fuck that your president is half-black, nor that your next president might be either a woman (wow! Sorry, been there, done that, thirty years ago) or a Latino (wow! We've not been there and done that, but I'd suggest quite a lot of Europe has). Fact is the Doctor is a man, typically quite old, with a frankly rather creepy, paternal by intent, relationship with his companions. They already fucked it up enough making him younger and younger and getting involved with the companions. Maybe they wanted to go back to the roots.

    Or hey, we can start suggesting that all future productions of Huckleberry Finn should make Jim a white guy, and future Superman films should ensure that Superman is played by an elderly Chinese lady who is still consistently referred to as "Superman".

  119. AND by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clair Balding....

    nudge, nudge, say no more!!!

  120. Ah, Already Answered - Its Peter Capaldi by Phrogman · · Score: 1

    Ah, why is this being posted on /. now? They announced on Sunday that the next doctor will be an actor named Peter Capaldi. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0134922/?ref_=sr_1

    This is about as stupid as can be. Its as if /. posted a story announcing Obama was elected president for a 2nd term, or that Bin Laden was dead.

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    1. Re:Ah, Already Answered - Its Peter Capaldi by Patch86 · · Score: 1

      They're talking about the NEXT next Doctor. Peter Capaldi will be incarnation number 12. Number 13th is theoretically the last one (although obviously not necessarily), so in theory only one more opportunity to do so.

  121. SLJ? - Might as well be SJP! (statham or elbar) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and be what we know as 'bastard 'ard!'
    Needs to have an English accent and be known as 'bastard 'ard'

    Actually, someone in an old Slahdot thread a few weeks back (I cannot find it now) suggested

    Jason Statham

    That would be brilliant! although if you wanted a black English Actor I's certainly watch

    Idris Elbar

    SLJ? pah! SJP more like.

  122. Been done by whitroth · · Score: 1

    But why change the sex of a character? Personally, I always wanted more of the *first* Ramana.... Another thought would be to find some way to regenerate Donna into a Timelord body....

                    mark

    1. Re:Been done by whitroth · · Score: 1

      Slashdot's annoying. Let's try this again...(note the spaces....
        http: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_and_the_Curse_of_Fatal_Death

  123. What about the woman sidekick? by Latent+Heat · · Score: 3, Interesting
    C'mon people, Dr. Who has always had a female sidekick, a very youthful and "pneumatic" (borrowing a term from Huxley) female sidekick, or somehow acquires such a woman companion in the course of the particular adventure or story arc. One such companion was a "cave woman" dressed in (poorly draped, yes!) skins; another was a flight attendant from an airliner that got caught up in a time warp.

    These sidekicks are hot by the standards of women on British TV where the extremes in cosmetic dentistry, dermatology, and plastic surgery are not followed as rigorously as in Hollywood.

    So would the female Dr. Who have a beefcake dude sidekick? Would the female Dr. Who be a babe or perhaps a mature woman in the tradition of Helen Mirren, Judy Dench, or Amanda Richardson? Or maybe a West Indian babe with a delicious regional accent as the police captain who thinks Holmes is a dangerous vigilante and medler into police business as in that Sherlock Holmes reboot (and gosh no, not the Robert Downey Jr. one).

    1. Re:What about the woman sidekick? by Nethead · · Score: 3, Informative

      The 10th Doctor had a beefcake sidekick, Capt. Jack Harkness.

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    2. Re:What about the woman sidekick? by RaceProUK · · Score: 1

      Though he also had Rose Tyler at the same time.

      IIRC, the 6th Doctor went for a while with only a male sidekick.

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    3. Re:What about the woman sidekick? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There have been several male assistants/companions. I don't know names from the older series. Sorry. There was the school teacher, the Scot, the astronaut, the teenage boy, Mickey,Nixon's secret service dude, Jack Harkness, Wilfred Mott, Rory. It's just the past few seasons that the main companion was a woman. More often it is a woman and a man. (And every now and then, a robotic dog.)

    4. Re:What about the woman sidekick? by UppercaseM · · Score: 1

      The token hot chick is more of a sexism problem than the male doctor. A beefcake doctor with a moderately attractive companion would only be watched on Lifetime.

  124. Re:We tried a woman in power and it didn't work ou by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The arts already have a working business model. Where is there more money, Hollywood or BBC studios?

    Govt. art funding is just rent-seeking.

  125. xy chromosomes by Tomahawk · · Score: 1

    My take is that the DNA of The Doctor is male. Regeneration will recreate his body when damaged, but should obey the programming within his DNA. It shouldn't go changing chromosomes around.

    There may be a lot of bending the rules of various fields of science, but the core basic stuff should remain in order for the sci-fi element to even begin to feel plausible. When writers mess around with the basics, I certainly turn off. I hate watching sci-fi and thinking "hey, you can't do that -- that just wouldn't work!!". For me, changing the gender of The Doctor is that thing which just wouldn't work.

    1. Re:xy chromosomes by UppercaseM · · Score: 1

      My take is that the DNA of The Doctor is male. ...obey the programming within his DNA

      The Doctor is a completely different person with each regeneration; therefore, the DNA is changed. If that's possible, a gender swap is.

  126. Re: Moffat won't do it by Tomahawk · · Score: 1

    That assumes he at least know what letters are in the word... Which, it appears, he doesn't!

  127. Re:We tried a woman in power and it didn't work ou by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...quite a few of which weren't British...

    Honestly, The Empire Strikes Back? Piss off.

  128. This kind of stuff is what RUINS modern TV by bussdriver · · Score: 1

    Not that TV or movies have ever been more beneficial to society than damaging, but the direction has been DOWNWARD for decades and one can only guess at what point it will degrade into "Ow My Balls!" (not that it hasn't already come close with a few shows already.)

    The BBC needs to fix some the Americanization influence harming their programming and be less commercially influenced as well. If Dr. Who was in the USA, they'd have ruined the show within a few seasons; not capable of going even 1/3 as long. Ratings down? put in more sex. Watch next week when the Doctor installs Windows XP and saves the world! (sponsored by Microsoft.) Doctor gets a new sonic screw driver .. the iSonic... made out of an iPhone (sponsored by Apple.)

  129. Disgusting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The comments on this story are absolutely revolting. This is supposed to be a community of intellectuals, and what we get is a heap of knee-jerk, xenophobic reactions under the guise of reasonableness vs. some political correctness boogyman. If you believe that the article is saying that having a white-male Doctor is unfair, then I really think it is worth it to take another look.

    That the article is whining and complaining is a strawman . Look at what the author says:
    -"Mr. Capaldi is a capable actor, and come his debut, I’ll be right there with my teenage boys, drinking Mountain Dew and cheering him on."
    -"As the producers think about whom they want to take on the role next, they should keep in mind the way people’s hopes are lifted when they see someone breaking the glass ceiling, even when it’s for something as seemingly trivial as a hero on a science-fiction program."

    This isn't a zealot's rant against an exaggerated oppression. This is someone saying they think a female doctor would be cool - and pointing out that it would mean a lot to a lot of people. The Doctor isn't male, so really, what's the big deal?

    1. Re:Disgusting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know about the others but there are quite a few of us pissed off about this:

      'Maybe it was the election of Barack Obama that made it seem, fleetingly, as if there were no more glass ceilings, for offices from president to pontiff,'

      and

      'Whether the 45th president is a woman (Hillary Rodham Clinton?) or a Latino (Marco Rubio?), it still feels, on a good day, as if we've entered a time when there are fewer limits on what men and women can aspire to.'

      The implication is then that the election of an *American* president, and the possible future elections of other *American* presidents, had an immediate bearing on the election of the new Pope and should therefore lead to a woman as Doctor Who. Which is a British character made by a British organisation, written by a British writer and played by British actors primarily for British audiences. British -- and we had our fucking female Prime Minister thirty years ago and somewhere in the region of half the Shadow Cabinet are women. (For the most part talentless, unpleasant, opinionated and grossly unqualified to be Prime Minister, perhaps, but the same goes for most of the men, too).

      This lazy America-centric attitude has riled a lot of people up. The world is not the USA and most of us ultimately don't give too much of a wet fuck who your president is, whether he's white, black, "Latino", a she, a black she, or a fucking hamster or something.

  130. Re: Moffat won't do it by Dishevel · · Score: 1

    He used the word "is" twice in the post.

    Only failed to spell it correctly once.

    50%

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  131. From another angle.... by EricTheGreen · · Score: 1

    One of the strengths of the 21st century reboot has been the consistently good fit of actors to the role. If the franchise did decide it was time for the Doctor to be performed by an actress...who would be the best candidates for the part?

  132. Um, Valeyard, folks? by Millennium · · Score: 1

    When you know that a character is going to spawn a duplicate who is an evil white guy, you do not make that character anyone other than a white guy. To do so is to invite the sort of brouhaha that serves no purpose and leaves everyone angry.

    Once the Valeyard is out of the way, sure. Could have been done before now, too, with basically any incarnation other than the 12th. But this was very uniquely not the time to do that sort of thing.

    The only other thing is that such a step should not be mere tokenism: they should do something interesting with the change, rather than having The Doctor not be a white guy just for the sake of having The Doctor not be a white guy. There are plenty of opportunities to do something interesting with this kind of change, going in any of hundreds of different directions. Most of the arguments I've seen for a female or minority Doctor smack of exactly this sort of tokenism -they just want The Doctor to look like them- and that's not a good reason to make creative decisions. Do something creative.

  133. Never being sure where/when the Doctor will arrive by tenchima · · Score: 1

    ... is part of the fun. Who wants a Doctor who stops and asks people for directions?

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  134. No, no absolutely not by drwho · · Score: 1

    Forced gender change is debasement, mutilation, and torture of the highest degree.

  135. gender identity... by ebunga · · Score: 1

    Imagine living as a male for 1200 years, and suddenly you are a woman. That would cause... issues...

  136. No by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Nothing wrong with women of course, but the doctor is male. End of story. Why do we have to extend this PC crap to everything in life?

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  137. Re: Moffat won't do it by TheCarp · · Score: 1

    Either or both could be anomolous, I think the data set is undersampled.

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  138. No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, leave The Doctor as he is, the reason to stay away from gender bending is you start bending genders and time traveling, you get characters who are their own mother and father. And All You Zombies really wasn't that good a short story.

    If you want a female Doctor, give Ramona, the one person other than River Song, who could put The Doctor in his place.

    But gender-bending The Doctor himself sounds like appeasement and a gimmick. Those things never end well.

    And lastly, The Doctor's gender should not be changed just because small percentage of fans are asking for it, to do so would be a violation of the creative integrity of the show and violation of expectations because there's nothing indicating that any timelord or lady had regenerated as a different gender.

  139. Maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The next Dr. Who should be the best actor/actress they can find for playing the character regardless of sex, and then stories should be written around that.

    As for women playing strong leadership roles in sci-fi, she doesn't get much credit for it but I thought Kate Mulgrew did an excellent job playing Captain Janeway. Unfortunately the show needed better writing all around, but as far as being the character of a strong motivated ship-comes-first captain, Ms. Mulgrew was very believable.

    Dr. Who is of course a different role. It has less emphasis on leadership and more emphasis on individual action and problem-solving. Janeway is not Dr. Who.

  140. Helen Mirren by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Had my fingers crossed for Helen Mirren this time around.

  141. Why not a dog? Dogs are great in focus groups. by Torodung · · Score: 1

    After Matt Smith's regenerative comment about having "two legs," I wonder if the Doctor shouldn't come back as a dog, or some mythical CGI centaur type thing. Why limit ourselves to humanity? Where is your imagination?

    Oh, right. For the same reason Peter Capaldi is chosen as the next Doctor. The novelty of any such change wears off too quickly, and then you're stuck with a world of fan expectations and a never-ending cycle of ridiculous fan service. Better to keep the formula locked away in a vault, even if it isn't such a secret any longer, eh?

    I heartily support Moffat's decision to keep it simple.

  142. You're a day late and a Dollar (err Pound) short. by dlcantrell · · Score: 1

    Joanna Lumley played the 13th Doctor in "Doctor Who and the Curse of the Fatal Death" back in 1999. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_and_the_Curse_of_Fatal_Death

  143. Joanna Lumley was quite funny playing Dr. Who by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any one remember BBC Radio Nose Day where they had a spoof of Dr. Who?
    Joanna Lumley was quite funny playing Dr. Who.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do-wDPoC6GM

  144. Doctor Her? by manlygeek · · Score: 1

    If you're going to regenerate Doctor Who to the female variety, how about keeping some nice female companions around? Now that WOULD be interesting, and politically correct to the vilest degree.

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    1. Re:Doctor Her? by UppercaseM · · Score: 1

      This kind of objectification is exactly the reason that there shouldn't be a female Doctor.

  145. pffft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you want to see more female time lords that aren't River, I say make them have babies with River before she's killed off and maybe time lords have enough genetic diversity in one person to repopulate their race. Of course, the Doctor could always make babies with his daughter/self clone thingy since she's out there but that would be a bit weird. Also, remember that how Torchwood had a bit of coral/baby TARDIS thing that could make new baby TARDISes. The good thing about being at the bottom is that the only place to go is up, right?

    Or how about making a new Doctor Who in the universe where Rose and the Doctor's human clone is and there's the time lord doctor flying around in his TARDIS and they join him for adventures.

  146. cant be..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A woman can't be a doctor. That would be a NURSE. Duh!

  147. Flamebait? It's "The Doctor" by m2 · · Score: 1

    The name of the main character in the series "Doctor Who" is neither "Who" nor "Doctor Who".  That character is referred to as "the Doctor".  Calling him "Doctor Who" is like saying that Darth Vader is a Jedi or that Picard was captain of NCC-1701-C.  The name of the Doctor is not known but to a few within that universe, and calling him "Doctor Who" simply reveals lack of research on the topic at hand.  Please see http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Doctor

  148. fuck you by Tom · · Score: 1

    No, it shouldn't. It's a male character, what's wrong with that?

    There's a line where a quest for equality becomes a quest for dominance. Many feminists have already crossed it, and this is another example of genderism taken too far.

    There are some Hollywood movies where all the cast is male except for the hot girl that the main character gets to fuck halfway through the movie. That's a justified complaint for gender-based discrimination.

    On Doctor Who, there are plenty of women and in core roles, too. The Doctor's companions, River Song, about half the adversaries, plenty of minor characters. On many episodes, the female main characters get more screen time then the Doctor himself. Complaining about "equal opportunity" in Doctor Who is batshit crazy.

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  149. Bit late? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Already been decided...days ago. I thought the US would have heard by now.

  150. When I formed my opinion of Dr. Who... by GPS+Pilot · · Score: 2

    I watched a few episodes in the late '70s. They were supremely boring and had dreadful special effects. (Even when compared to other British sci-fi of the era, such as Space: 1999.) Has the show improved since then?

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    1. Re:When I formed my opinion of Dr. Who... by RaceProUK · · Score: 1

      Since they now have more than 50p for special effects, yes.

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  151. Obama should be the new doctor who...NOT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doctor who is about escapist sci fi fun with interesting characters, out-of-this world situtations, and somewhat decent scripts. For people who take Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton seriously, there's CNN, MSNBC, and other forms of reality television.

  152. With great respect, it's better not. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All power to women, but I can think of a reason for the next Doctor to *not* be a woman: the male Doctor is a much needed role model for *boys* - someone who is a man, and never uses violence as a first resort, never kills if he does not have to, never to the power of never carries a gun. If we as a species are ever going to become worthy of existence, those are values that every one of our males needs to adopt.

  153. Already done! by KritonK · · Score: 1

    Starring Barbara Benedetti as the Doctor. Quite good she was, too!

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xnc46g_doctor-who-the-wrath-of-eukor_shortfilms

  154. Should the next Queen of England be a man? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is the question

    1. Re:Should the next Queen of England be a man? by Eternal+Vigilance · · Score: 1

      Well, a lot of the men in England are queens....

  155. C'mon, show some real imagination by Eternal+Vigilance · · Score: 1

    If the BBC truly wanted to do something different, they'd make the next Doctor Who a Dalek.

  156. Re:We tried a woman in power and it didn't work ou by Markvs · · Score: 1

    In that list, name just one, please. As for Empire, haven't you ever wondered why Elstree Studios is in the credits? IT WAS SHOT THERE.

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  157. Re:We tried a woman in power and it didn't work ou by Markvs · · Score: 1

    What? Are you saying that the Britain she inherited from James Callaghan was somehow a paradise? It was a MESS, as was the US when Reagan took the reins from Carter! Her economic reforms are the reason why today Britain's economy doesn't look like Italy's!

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  158. Then you probably shouldn't be reading comments.. by Dr.+Manhattan · · Score: 1

    ...until you change the batteries in your sarcasm detector.

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  159. are you kidding me? by DrStoooopid · · Score: 1

    ABSOLUTELY NOT!

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  160. Stupid Question -- Obvious Answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Regeneration NEVER changes sex. Sometimes (usually) the Femi-nazi's need to STFU!

  161. Could, but shouldn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While the option is one that could happen, it is not something that should. Of course there are female Time Lords (that's the name of the race, it has nothing to do with gender). But at this point, it can't. I have several reasons for this opinion (I realize it's just that - my opinion):

    First, in the Library River Song told the Doctor about the last time she saw him - their date on Asgard. She described it with a bit of detail. It's a big enough thing in their relationship that I'm sure it will be an episode, which it obviously has not been yet. He'll need to be a male for that (although that could be a few regenerations away, but I don't think so)

    Second is his marriage in general. If he became a woman, that would just mess up his relationship with River. Would he still be straight (marriage = messed up), or become a lesbian (River isn't, so still, marriage = messed up)?.

    Thirdly, and this is a smaller point, but I'm not sure what the whole name thing has to play into it. If his name is a male name in Gallifreyan (like "WIll", in english), that would be kind of weird if he became a woman.

    Lastly, it would change the Doctor's character too much. You just don't change the gender of arguably the most popular TV character ever. Imagine some of your favorite movie/TV characters (Batman, Harry Potter, the Black Widow, Sherlock Holmes, etc.). Now imagine if all of a sudden an actor of the other gender started playing that character. It might (might) be mildly interesting, but it would most likely ruin that character, and thus the show.

    I have nothing against women in lead roles or anything like that (In fact, most of the other lead roles in DW other than the Doctor are women, and they're awesome). You just don't CHANGE their gender.

  162. errr wat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seing as there is a distinction throughout the whole Dr who canon between "Timelords" and "Timeladies" this would be ridiculous. Why not have a woman cast as the next Batman?

  163. I think "equal opportunity" arrived long since.. by doccus · · Score: 1

    Witness River Song.. Being "The Doctor" certainly doesn't pull more weight than being his equal., and I think River demonstrated being his equal, amply already. or is equality *not* enough? In the real world it takes nothing less than an operation to change sexes.. No less here. Certainly a time lord can be a woman, just not *this* time lord. He was born a man, so he be stook wit it, mon... Or, is it "equality" for the "actresses", instead of characters, we're referring to? It's setting a bad precedent to ater the basic foundation of a well established fictional universe to satisfy the demands of the actor's wishes. There's plenty of fine leading roles for women in Sci-fi.. in fact they have at least parity, andf possibly precedence over male leading characters. The only "switch" i could ever see occuring, would be a regeneration screwup, for perhaps "the master", as a glitch in artificial regeneration.. which he continually uses as he ran out of natural regens some time ago...

  164. She is absolutely correct... by ToddInSF · · Score: 1

    There's a social obligation to represent everybody.

    There was a The Kids In The Hall episode where the art teacher caught hell for using a beautiful white woman as a nude model. Exasperated, he said :

    "But it's hard to find a fat, black cripple dyke on short notice"...

  165. River Song by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

    Alex Kingston would make an awesome Doctor.

  166. I'm Tired Of This Discussion... by centre21 · · Score: 1

    Why does everything that has traditionally been done a certain way (and successfully) have to automatically be subject to the whims of those who want to do it another way, "just to see what would happen"? The Doctor has traditionally been Male. And people have been just fine with that. What are the motivations to make The Doctor female? There are none, save for one: because we live in an age where certain types of people cannot just let something be what it is or let those who enjoy something just enjoy it as they like it.
    I, for one, am against making The Doctor a woman if just for the reason that it won't stop there. Already I heard on BBC radio someone suggesting that The Doctor could be a Transgendered Lesbian if they wanted. And that's the problem: I don't want The Doctor's sexuality to become part of the show. If you make The Doctor a woman, then Doctor Who will have reached it's "Moonlighting" moment. And then every group will want their own version of The Doctor and the show will be less about the adventures of the Last Galifreyan and all about, "Oooo, will we have an Asian Female this time around? What about an African Homosexual?"
    Leave The Doctor's gender alone and concentrate on writing great stories.
    Besides, "Madman with a box" sounds a lot better than "Crazy lady with a box".

    1. Re:I'm Tired Of This Discussion... by UppercaseM · · Score: 1

      Why does everything that has been traditionally been done a certain way have to automatically be untouchable by those who want to do it another way "just because it's already enjoyed"? The doctor has been gender swapped before, namely with Rose. And, people have been just fine with that.
      Also, "Madman with a box" would still cheekily apply.

  167. Potential bad move for feminism by UppercaseM · · Score: 1

    While there aren't enough respectable female characters in lead roles, unfortunately a female Doctor would just be made into a joke. It would be viewed as a pointless gimmick which would only hurt the modern feminist cause, which is more or less to be respected as something other than sexual objects. Get a companion other than a petite hot chick.

  168. No, fuck you by UppercaseM · · Score: 1

    'Genderism' is going too far when women are mocked for wanting to be and see more females in positions that are not normally available to them. No one cares what color The Doctor's hair is, so why should we care what skin color, age, or gender "he" is? Gender based discrimination is the fact that the roles women receive are hardly ever lead heroes and are pretty much always sexualized.

    1. Re:No, fuck you by Tom · · Score: 1

      'Genderism' is going too far when women are mocked for wanting to be and see more females in positions that are not normally available to them.

      Fuck you, too. No, I mean it, this is pure hatespeech coming from your mouth, it is just on the side of the debate that has taken a monopoly on morale.

      If you want a TV series with a female time lord, by all means lobby BBC to create a spin-off, there's already a Torchwood spin-off, so it can be done, and there are plenty of female time lords in Doctor Who that can be used, or a new one can be invented.

      Turning Doctor Who female is stupid, and it does you a female character at the cost of a male one. You win by taking things away from others. That is not cooperative, that is not friendly, that is not positive.

      I'm all for equal rights. I'm totally for having more women in jobs that don't have many women in them. I am strongly opposed to arriving at that goal by discriminating against men. You're trying to fight a century old evil by applying it to the other side, and that is pure evil, period.

      Gender based discrimination is the fact that the roles women receive are hardly ever lead heroes and are pretty much always sexualized.

      And there are many offenders that are worse than Doctor Who and do it for no good reason. Seriously, this is just kicking a popular show into the face to get publicity, that's all it is. Doctor Who is a great show for people who believe in equality of the sexes. The women are strong and independent. In the Amy/Rory relationship, Amy is the stronger partner. River Song holds her own against the Doctor. There are equally many male and female opponents. And in which episode did you last see gratuituous female nudity?

      The only thing a batshit crazy feminazi could whine about is the gender of the main character. Well, he's male. What the fuck is so hard about that? If you were really interested in equality, you would accept that some characters - about half to be exact - are male, period.

      Discrimination sucks. It is not an excuse to lash out randomly at absolutely everything no matter how stupid.

      The Doctor's hair is, so why should we care what skin color, age, or gender "he" is?

      Because he is an established character, and has consistently been male. Rewriting Romeo and Julia to be about two gay characters is an interesting piece of explorative fiction, but it shouldn't claim it is the same thing, because by historical and social context, the story would run a different course. Again, exploring that is all good, and I might even be interested in reading it, but it ain't Romeo and Julia anymore.

      Again: You want a female time lord riding around in a TARDIS? No problem. But messing with an established character for purely political reasons has such a taste, I'm not sure how blind you have to be to not notice it. Imagine it were done not for a feminist agenda but, say, for a communist, or a religious, or some other agenda.

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  169. Red Haired American Teenage Girl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The subject line says it all. Imagine all the fun that could be had with this!

  170. Of course there's a chance by UppercaseM · · Score: 1

    A change in appearance and personality leaves open the possibility of a female Doctor. Nothing suggests that he's unable to change sexes, and gender streaks happen.
    http://www.times-standard.com/ci_23828455/all-boys-club-couple-welcomes-12th-son

    1. Re:Of course there's a chance by Xicor · · Score: 1

      linking an example of a woman who birthed 12 boys is very different from the doctor. in case you didnt know, boy/girl for childbirth is NOT 50%. each time you have one or the other, your chances of having one of that sex again is much higher. by the time you have 4 boys, your chances of having another boy is like 85 or 90%.

    2. Re:Of course there's a chance by UppercaseM · · Score: 1

      if he WERE capable of changing sexes, wouldnt it be a 50% chance?

      in case you didnt know, boy/girl for childbirth is NOT 50%. each time you have one or the other, your chances of having one of that sex again is much higher. by the time you have 4 boys, your chances of having another boy is like 85 or 90%.

      That's actually part of my point. The real world comparison is meant to point out that the more brothers you have and the more sons you have, the more likely you are to have more sons. Hence, the feasibility of a science fiction Time Lord having a male regeneration streak, while still leaving the chance for a female regeneration.

      The lead writer Steven Moffat actually commented on this exact topic. "It is a part of Time Lord lore that it can happen. Who knows, the more often it is talked about the more likely it is to happen some day.” Link

  171. A female doctor? by CHIT2ME · · Score: 1

    A female doctor? Everyone knows women aren't doctors. Oh!, wait....never mind!

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  172. The Misinformed Misogyny of geminidomino by UppercaseM · · Score: 1
    Don't let the obnoxious and overzealous feminists keep you from understanding the equality struggle that modern women face.

    parroting tired old saws about women needing protection

    Women need respect; respect that they are not getting. They want to be something other than a supporting character or sex object. Women make up less than 30% of speaking roles, and of those, over 1/3rd are sexualized. The remaining 20% are typically hired based on physical attractiveness and are contractually required to maintain excessively low weights. Even Doctor Who has started running the Hollywood course of prodominately casting petite, young, and attractive females, while The Doctors more closely resemble the average man. http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/dl-opinion/why-women-arent-essential-characters-in-movies-20120924-26ged.html

    Modern feminists are not the bra-burning man-haters that they are portrayed as. They want an end to the objectification of women. They want natural beauty to be the norm. They want sci-fi that they can relate to. They want to be the protectors.

    1. Re:The Misinformed Misogyny of geminidomino by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Women make up less than 30% of speaking roles, and of those, over 1/3rd are sexualized. The remaining 20% are typically hired based on physical attractiveness and are contractually required to maintain excessively low weights.

      You're gonna need a citation for that, because if it's a choice between my own anecdotal/empirical evidence , or blindly accepting the word of some guy on the internet who likes to misuse the word "misogyny" as the usual half-assed shame-tactic, the personal experience is going to win every time.

      Of course, even if it is true, that still doesn't explain why the demand is to screw with a long-established character rather than new works that contain that element. I could get behind that River Song spinoff, even if it did mean I'd have to deal with going deaf because of Dr. Girlfriend's squealing like a Japanese schoolgirl.

      Modern feminists are not the bra-burning man-haters that they are portrayed as

      The "Bra Burning" feminist is mythology. As for feminism not being "man-hating," either you're woefully ignorant of the current Feminist Narrative (TM), or you're just deluding yourself.

    2. Re:The Misinformed Misogyny of geminidomino by UppercaseM · · Score: 1
      Gender Inequality in Cinematic Content study by the University of Southern California

      The Doctor is not a long-established (single) character. With each regeneration, an entirely different person is cast to play a different personality. The opposition to a female lead has much of the same reasoning as the supporters, a relatable character. It also seems more feasible to have a female Doctor for one generation than to try to get an entirely new show funded, scripted, cast, marketed, aired, etc.

      As for feminism not being "man-hating," either you're woefully ignorant of the current Feminist Narrative (TM), or you're just deluding yourself.

      I am actually doing a research study on current gender (male and female) roles, viewpoints, and media influence. While, yes, there are extremists on both sides, looking to them as representation of a cause would be like looking at Westboro Baptist as the embodiment of Christian churches. While they are fighting a similar cause, the methods are drastically different and less respectable. Honestly, hardcore feminists sometimes make things worse for women because they are not paying attention to how their actions are portrayed in the eyes of the opposite gender. Regardless of what others are doing, try to take an objective look at the issue at hand (female non-equality in media). The fact is that there are more men in important/respectable roles while women are usually cast for their sexuality. Think of the women that you do see in magazines, movies, TV shows, billboards, commercials; do they actually seem representative of women?

      Also, after a quick Google search, I didn't find anything about a Trademarked Feminist Narrative. There were a few articles and papers that were a similar title, but if you have a link, it would be appreciated.

    3. Re:The Misinformed Misogyny of geminidomino by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      The Doctor is not a long-established (single) character. With each regeneration, an entirely different person is cast to play a different personality.

      I disagree with the premise. A new actor does not create a new character and, while each new actor does add his own twist to the character, certain qualities are common across the board (except maybe the first Doctor, since I couldn't sit through those). A time-and-space jaunting do-gooder equally susceptible to moments of whimsical silliness or brooding gravitas (too much of the later lately, IMO, but that's just me), who considers Earth to be his own personal protectorate.

      The opposition to a female lead has much of the same reasoning as the supporters, a relatable character. It also seems more feasible to have a female Doctor for one generation than to try to get an entirely new show funded, scripted, cast, marketed, aired, etc.

      So those who currently relate to the character should no longer be able to do so because a much smaller demographic thinks they should be able to, instead? If there was an actual market for a female-led Doctor Who, you can bet it would happen. It's more feasible to try to do that than to take an existing line and make a change that could, very possibly, alienate the lion's share of the audience and risk losing both the potential property and the established one (what do you think the odds of said spinoff happening would be if DW tanks?)

      I am actually doing a research study on current gender (male and female) roles, viewpoints, and media influence. While, yes, there are extremists on both sides, looking to them as representation of a cause would be like looking at Westboro Baptist as the embodiment of Christian churches.

      No, I'm not talking about "extremists." I'm talking about Feminist Theory, the core of feminism, which is entirely based around a premise of systematic, intentional oppression for most of recorded history, and millennia of silent non-action by females. If you want to see an example of reasoning that supports the inherent inequality and innate victimhood of women, you can't do better than that.

      Regardless of what others are doing, try to take an objective look at the issue at hand (female non-equality in media). The fact is that there are more men in important/respectable roles while women are usually cast for their sexuality. Think of the women that you do see in magazines, movies, TV shows, billboards, commercials; do they actually seem representative of women?

      Honestly, I really hope your research is just starting out if you actually used "TV Shows" as an example of men being cast in "important/respectible roles."

      I have taken an objective look (again, limited by the things I have been able to see).

      One of the most popular formats of TV show is the sitcom. How about taking a nice, hard look at how men are portrayed in those. Need a hint? It's been going in the same direction since Married With Children and, pretty much hit bottom (or at least, bad enough that I gave up on the format) with Everybody Loves Raymond.

      In drama, men are far, far more likely to be portrayed as violent, especially towards partners, despite several studies that reveal near-parity in the real world. Male central characters are more often the ones with substance abuse issues, more likely to be unfaithful, etc...

      Ignoring, for the moment, the inherent flaw with "objectively" examining something that is innately subjective (which, it should be noted, is an error that your cited study makes from the word go):
      Physical appearance: Hollywood Homely and Informed ugliness happen across the aisle. Even moreso when you get into things marketed almost exclusively to women ("Daytime Dramas", e.g.).

      Think of the women that you do see in magazines, movies, TV shows, billboards, commercials; do they actually seem representative of women?

      No. And

  173. Well actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd like to see a spin off tv show of the Doctor's daughter. Remember her?

  174. Time travel will muck up her cycle. by Occams · · Score: 1

    Time travel plays hell with periods. If she gets pregnant she might have to give birth to an adult.

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