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Windows 10 Updates Are Now Ruining Pro-Gaming Streams (theguardian.com)
An anonymous reader cites a report on The Guardian: Perhaps there's nothing more annoying than going in for the kill to suddenly be "pooped on" by a Windows 10 automatic installation taking out your computer mid-stream to your 130,000 or so followers. After deciding to advertise during the weather by attempting to automatically install midway through a forecast, Windows 10 is starting to wreak havoc with gamers. Ex-professional Counter Strike player turned full-time streamer Erik Flom was rudely interrupted mid-game and live on Twitch by Windows 10 automatically installing on his PC. "What. What!? How did this happen! Fuck you Windows 10!" Flom said. "Oh my God! You had one job PC. We turned off everything. Update faster you fuck!"
I would post an answer, but my Windows is updating
deserve's got nothing to do with it...
How long have Windows gamers been making fun of Linux?
After deciding to advertise during the weather by attempting to automatically install midway through a forecast, Windows 10 is starting to wreak havoc with gamers.
????
That's Windows 10, great new OS with improved abilities, able to annoy users even before it is installed.
"Hello, user. Windows here. Listen, I really need to shut down to update myself. Would you like me to do that immediately? Or would you like to be reminded again in four hours?"
"Remind me again in four hours."
"Gotcha, see you in four hours."
[Ten minutes later.]
"Hello, user. Windows here. Listen, I really need to shut down to update myself. Would you like me to do that immediately? Or would you like to be reminded again in four hours?"
... pissing off its customer base, one customer at a time.
if it's a video, use something made for video. Here's a youtube link to the event. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Why would being a gamer mean that you would actually be any good at administering a computer?
Most people in the office use computers all day, and still had no idea that you can Ctrl-C to copy selected text.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
I guess knowing how to google is a very hard skill to learn.
Why would being a gamer mean that you would actually be any good at administering a computer?
Why would being good at administrating a computer mean that you could disable Windows 10 -related updates?
Why are we allowing Video Gaming to become a spectator sport?
Why do you think you should have a say in "allowing" something to become a "spectator sport"? It affects you in almost no way whatsoever. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Other people do like watching it, so let them spend their time and money on what they enjoy. I think it's idiotic, but idiots will do what idiots do.
The fact that it's really hard to disable things like updates from popping up in the middle of a forecast shows that Microsoft has taken way too much control away from users. Although this might be a reasonable default setting, things like updates and telemetry should still be under the control of users. While users technically have a choice about whether to update, the "update later" button causing installation to automatically begin later is deceptive. This is inexcusable.
Why would being a gamer mean that you would actually be any good at administering a computer?
Kids these days, real gamers used to know how to free 640K better than anyone else.
I guess knowing how to google is a very hard skill to learn.
I can offer only one datapoint that suggests that it may, indeed, be out of reach for many:
http://lmgtfy.com/
Unlike Linux, where its elitist pricks tell users to RTFM, us Windows users are superior. We just blame the user for being a fucking retard and not selecting the clearly defined "Don't update to Windows 10" option that's not there, and when they manage to hack the registry to disable the update, Microsoft just reverts the setting anyway!
Windows > Linux
It randomly turns itself back on with other updates.
The problem is not computer literacy but a lack of control over Windows Update in Windows 10. While earlier versions had options like "Check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them" and "Download updates but let me chose whether to install them" Windows 10 has no such options. Windows 10 just downloads and installs the updates at a set time (3:00am).
As for turning off Win 10 crapware, Windows Update isn't really crapware but an essential feature to get security updates. Turning it off would not be a good idea.
This is the issue with Windows Update in Windows 10, your options are to turn it off entirely and get no security updates, or let it do whatever you want. If you don't want a particular update there's not much you can do. If you uninstall it Windows 10 update will just reinstall it. You can use the tool to defer a particular update (which is a separate download and doesn't come with Windows 10), but the update will still get installed when a newer version comes out.
You basically have no control.
I'm totally guessing here, but I would assume this was able to be captured because he has a separate machine for gaming vs. streaming so that the streaming software would not take CPU cycles from the game. It could also mean that when he said he "turned everything off," he did so for the streaming PC, but maybe not the gaming PC.
Part of me wants to say it's his own damn fault, thought who knows, Windows seems to have no problem changing its own settings after updates.
on my wife's laptop, it had been asking her for months if she wanted to upgrade to Windows 10, and she kept clicking no thanks. Well, last week it tried a new tactic -- it said "do you want to upgrade to Windows 10 now, or later?" she picked "later" (meaning never), but the thing dutifully upgraded to Windows 10 once she walked away! i guess it figured it was "later" and had her permission. (and yes of course she fucking hates it, it adds nothing of value!)
nasty trick, Microsoft!
i could live a little longer in this prison
I remember when people said that about XP. Yet, here we all are.
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So is there a way to disable it?
I have Pro so I used the group policy to let me choose whether I want to install updates and when to install them.
But the huge fullscreen nag screen that takes over your entire windows session and cannot be dismissed still pops up.
There *has* to be a way to disable this, or you're going to start seeing these nag screens appearing on more news/weather broadcasts/internet streams/airport displays/etc worldwide as windows 10 continues to roll out.
Fuck, imagine getting it on an ATM.
You can tell how powerful someone is by the magnitude of the crime they can commit and be able to get away with.
PHB: any one catch that pro-gaming stream that got interrupted by a windows 10 update? pretty absurd wouldnt you say?
engineer: The machine that controls card readers has been updating all night and our first shift team cant relieve third shift. Windows 10 is turning out to be a pretty ridiculous product.
Janitor: you said it guys, Thanks to these unscheduled windows 10 updates my timecard hasnt properly submitted in nearly a month!
Operator: Yeah, and dont get me started on the SCRAM/status panel for the reactors. Im mostly controlling the whole thing from my geiger counter. but hey, best windows ever am i rite?!
Good people go to bed earlier.
Because the simple fact of the matter is it isn't a terrible OS in the eyes of the average consumer. It mostly performs as advertised and is a "free" upgrade. Think about the reasons there was backlash against some of Microsoft's other recent OS busts - Windows ME-Unstable as hell, Windows Vista - slow as a dog, annoying UAC prompts, and lack of driver support. These are all things that most people can see and experience. Unfortunately, being spyed on by media companies is turning into an average daily experience.
Aside from the whole problem of 'Pro Gaming' in general: what the heck? Why are we allowing Video Gaming to become a spectator sport? Personally I don't care about somebody's spot on a leaderboard. I go into games like World of Warcraft to immerse myself in a virtual world. Once you accept that there are 'winners' in such endeavors, you automatically become a loser.
Aside from the whole problem of "Pro Sports" in general: what the heck? Why are we allowing football to become a spectator sport? Personally I don't care about somebody's spot on a line of scrimmage. I go into games like football to immerse myself in the physical sport. Once you accept that there are 'winners' in such endeavors, you automatically become a loser.
What's with all the negative "I don't care, surely no one else does! Why is this on Slashdot?!" comments lately? Go moderate the firehose.
To respond directly to your comment, most IT professionals aren't even professionals, so it's no wonder that video game professionals don't have the necessary expertise to tune their systems properly.
It's gonna have to wait at least until Windows 10 kills somebody (say, by shutting down their hospital life support to install updates) for that to happen, and probably not even then.
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
If Gaming 'Professionals' aren't capable and responsible enough to properly firewall away problems like this from the computers they are using as their 'studios' for their broadcasting operations, they aren't really very professional.
Aside from the whole problem of 'Pro Gaming' in general: what the heck? Why are we allowing Video Gaming to become a spectator sport? Personally I don't care about somebody's spot on a leaderboard. I go into games like World of Warcraft to immerse myself in a virtual world. Once you accept that there are 'winners' in such endeavors, you automatically become a loser.
I keep saying the same thing about football but no one seems to care.... Watching sports is for lazy mamma's boys.
I browse on +1 so AC's need not respond, I won't see it.
I had made my Windows 8.0 install work nicely for me. It never pestered me to upgrade to 10, but I need security updates. I never installed 8.1 because I didn't want to risk the stability of my Laptop that was working just fine. So, last month, I got new drives and installed Ubuntu 16.04. I'm going to miss the Windows-only games on Steam that I never played anyway. Still working out some minor annoyances, but it has been working well for me so far.
(Anybody know how to make the alt key keep the menu opening. I tap the alt key, then hit the f key separately, so it is alt then f. Not Alt-F. My "saving" muscle reflex is alt, then f, then s. But that isn't working for me in Ubuntu.)
Yeah, Microsoft, I took my ball and went somewhere else instead. (But if I really need to, I can put the old drives back in...)
IMarv
Trusting software vendors is no smarter than trus
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No, that's not true. At best, windows 10 permits you to defer updates, but not outright refuse them.
Never check for updates (not recommended).
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I guess knowing how to google is a very hard skill to learn.
If you don't know about keyboard shortcuts, have never even heard the term keyboard shortcuts, why would you even think to google "copy keyboard shortcut"? Claiming that people who don't know how to copy text with just their keyboard don't know how to use google, is very arrogant of you. I'm sure there are plenty of topics of which you don't know that you don't know, and thus have no reason to suspect a need to google them.
We turned off everything
Apparently these guys suck at turning off "everything". The only way I have found that works to keep Windows 10 away is to completely turn off Windows Update. Yes, Windows will nag at you. Yes, this will leave you (gasp!) unprotected, but malware is depending less and less on OS exploits these days, and more on browser exploits and user stupidity. OS patches won't protect you from your own stupidity.
Why? Because if you "hide" KB3035583, after a few weeks or months, Microsoft will "update" the patch. A patch being updated to a new version removes its hidden status. It will then install, without asking you. It will then download six and a half gigabytes to your hard drive, also without asking you.
If you're really scared about evil viruses, you can turn on Windows Update every now and then to manually check updates, look for and re-hide KB3035583, then disable Windows Update again immediately after the patches install and reboot. And hope that they haven't come up with a new patch to sneak Windows 10 in.
Do not leave Microsoft in control of your updates, as they have clearly proven that they can not be trusted.
. This is Windows 10 saying, you ARE the product, and we own your a$$. I'm so happy I didn't get windows 10. Want this to change, tell the pinheads at Dell, Asus, Lenovo, HP or anyone else you even things of getting a PC from to offer Windows 7 as an option on ALL models or you'll build your own, which is quite easy these days. NewEgg.com is a convenient place to get parts. For those who want to use something with more power/trustworthiness, Linux comes in many flavors. For beginners I recommend Linux Mint and ElementaryOS. "No" is a wonderful word. Let's all say "No" to Windows 10
"Imagination is more important than knowledge" - Einstein
For those that haven't seen it, take a look at Never 10. It's a simple utility that disables GWX (Get Windows 10) by doing the registry / group policy editing for you. You just run it once; you don't need to install anything or keep it running in the background.
No prompts, no upgrades, and no Windows 10 installation files taking up space on your drive.
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Format c:
"Shall we play a game?" -W.O.P.R.
LAN play just wait for some to auto lose to a update disconnect.
What kind of F-bombs will go off in a big money event when some auto loses in a match and they must be online do to the DRM system.
Actually, depending on your windows update settings, windows 10 can fully automatically install without any user intervention, and in fact does so. What happens though is it upgrades you're machine to 10, boots to it, and then shows you an EULA, which if you decline, then it downgrades back to 7.
This is really not a nice thing to do to your customers, and even automatically uninstalls software that it deems incompatible with 10.
Your*
PC: "Hi, Windows here, I'm so glad you decided to shut down your laptop, because now I can install those updates that I downloaded and didn't feel were worth the trouble of asking you about earlier! It'll only take about 15-20 minutes!"
My friend: "But I want to put my laptop away so I can leave now?"
Me: (Really, he should at least use Hibernate instead of insisting on shut down every time.)
Oh, and don't forget to turn OFF Automatic/Windows update in the SERVICES (Control Panel->Administrative Tools->Services). It's the ONLY way to get MS windows to behave itself (ie, not give you some crap that is MS's interest instead of yours). You'll have to check every individual update you want to install with a microscope and research them on forums because now MS has said it's policy is not to tell people what updates do except "enhance" the OS, but if you keep your a good antivirus/malware it helps. Of course you can also use Linux (or apple if you trust them...but hm....trust apple...). Anyway, for whomever it helps.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge" - Einstein
Microsoft still claims that the upgrade to Windows 10 is never done without user consent. What a load of BS on their part.
Hint: SteamOS/Linux.... It is a thing you know...
However, you *can* set the time that it does so.
This gamer should be setting the time to not when he's streaming.
Being a "professional" streamer apparently doesn't pay enough to upgrade to the Pro version of Windows 10, in which you can easily disable automatic updates and even the downloading of updates.
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Incompetent control of system options leads to unforeseen service interruptions. Seem that this "feature" is OS independent to me. Name a single consumer OS (most Linux or BSD distros are removed by the "consumer" description) today that is not out of box configured for automatic updates?
I'm fucking hate Windows 10 and MS's approach to shoving it up people's urethras.
But this is clearly faked for attention.
... welcome our new video-game overlords!
Kids these days, real gamers used to know how to free 640K better than anyone else.
I distinctly remember the sense of accomplishment after learning to load my sound and joystick drivers first, then restart without them to get Privateer to run. I'm not sure why it worked but it did.
Of course I would never go back.
The Daddy casts sleep on the Baby. The Baby resists!
... when I am ready to go home for the night.
So enlighten us with your firewall rules to prevent this from happening.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
The 10 upgrade was changed to a critical update where previously it was optional. So you can disable updates all together or use something like GWX Control Panel to kill the pending upgrade.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
I have never had Hibernate working in a reliable way, but with an SSD in my laptop I don't even need Hibernate since the boot time is quick enough.
If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
Why would he pay extra for the Pro version just for that? He plays games, doesn't log on to an enteprise network or whatever other stuff the Pro version has extra.
I apologize for the lack of a signature.
"Hey this thing's working really well and making us tons of money."
"Ya, but you need something to do this month."
"Ok, we'll completely design it."
"That's the spirit, promote this man."
This can be applied to Google, Apple, et al. Microsoft is just extraordinarily bad at it.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
people used to ask "why don't you use windows?" but since Windows 10 started pestering everyone, people actually ask serious questions about switching to Linux. :D
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
"Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated."
Have gnu, will travel.
I came here to post this, but the powershell version.
set-service wuauserv –startup disabled
Except this isn't about windows update in windows 10. It is about windows update in the previous versions attempting to force you to up[date to windows 10.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
So far it should be sufficient to limit Windows Update to "important" updates but don't let it collect "recommended" updates. KB3035583 is only "recommended", not "important".
If you don't trust Microsoft even that far, you could switch off Windows Update and use a third-party tool like WSUS Offline Update instead (http://www.wsusoffline.net/) which will do essentially the same, with some extra blacklisting by the maker of WSUS Offline Update.
Obviously this means trusting some guy on the internet more than Microsoft, but WSUS Offline Update has a good reputation so far and my own experience with it is positive.
C - the footgun of programming languages
You were lucky t'have 640K. Real gamers used t'have t'wait for games t'load off scratchy cassette recordings which often had to be rewound multiple times and even then most of the 32K of memory was tak'n up by the display so parts of the 8-bit OS were overwritten for the game to run.
But you try and tell the young people today that... and they won't believe ya'.
[Cue ZX81 owner...]
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I'd be happy if they'd just fix the FOREVER spinny-thing when you Post.
The toughest trick I learned was to load TSR drivers (not usable while terminated, but resident allows them to restart over objections of other programs), so you'd load up the drivers you need, terminate them, then load the application, then load the drivers back in, Leaving the drivers active prevents the application from loading. Loading the drivers after the application prevented the drivers from being used in the application.
The hardest part of the trick was counting bits, and loading the drivers at a specific memory location, for optimization.
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So to do something like control MY pc I have to shell out an exorbitant amount of money... scratch that I cannot even buy Windows 10 Enterprise as it is only in volume licenses. So while that may work, it is not an option for the majority of people.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
It looks like these streamers do not realize that their computer is a work tool. So, when you buy or choose a work tool, you have to ensure it fits your job. Nothing should be able to interrupt a stream. No Skype notification, no friggin Steam notification, no SMS alert on your phone, just game, game and game. Anything else should have been moved out of the way. Your tools and workplace should be specially tuned for that. But hey, people just expect an average gamer PC to magically turn into a professional tool without any action.
Stupidity is the root of all evil.
I remember needing to write a special autoexec.bat file to not start Windows 3.1 so that I could play Doom. Apparently even exiting Windows didn't free up enough of the 4 MB of RAM, so I had to reboot and not start Windows at all.
That was when Vista came out.
If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
Maybe, because his profession requires more control than the average user, and he should use professional grade tools to do his job?
I mean would you expect a Construction Worker to use the same $30 drill (http://www.homedepot.com/p/Ryobi-5-5-Amp-3-8-in-Variable-Speed-Drill-D43K/205216326) that I use at home? Or would you expect him/her to use the better sturdier more complete $130 one (http://www.homedepot.com/p/Ryobi-ONE-18-Volt-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Drill-Driver-and-Impact-Driver-Kit-2-Tool-P882/203406854) that is more drill than I need for my occasional needs?
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
If your job is playing video games on Windows, one would presume you'd learn the step of manually updating before starting an important paid stream.
Learn to love Alaska
Why would you expect a gamer to be a pro at configuring a firewall.
"Personally I don't care about somebody's spot on a leaderboard." and your opinion matters why?
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
Just like with Vista there are several "editions" of Windows 10, you need Enterprise or Mobile Enterprise to do that.
Which is AFAIK not for sale through the usual retail channels.
So you would need some generous employer who covers your home PC in the volume licensing agreement of your company, or an outright pirated copy.
If you don't have either, you can
- either take the updates as Microsoft says
- or switch to some other OS. I'd say Linux, but a lot of people seem to prefer Mac OS (see the latest statistics at netmarketshare.com).
C - the footgun of programming languages
a fast boot does not replace resuming from exactly where you left off.
Considering that you didn't dare post that non-anonymously, I take that as a compliment :)
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PC: "Hi, Windows here, I'm so glad you decided to shut down your laptop, because now I can install those updates that I downloaded and didn't feel were worth the trouble of asking you about earlier! It'll only take about 15-20 minutes!"
My friend: "But I want to put my laptop away so I can leave now?"
Windows: Just for that, it's going to take an additional ten minutes. Don't bother me while I'm juggling these knives, or I'll kill myself and scrawl a note blaming you for it in my own blood. Even if your professional reputation survives that, I'm guessing it won't survive losing whatever you've been working on on this laptop all week. Now shut up and go look morosely out the window at the ever-worsening traffic.
Finally this is getting mainstream attention. Windows automatically updating with a big "fuck you" while you're doing work - and not even saving your fucking work - is one of the biggest most blatant lack of regard for their users I've ever seen. I shudder at how many man-years of work have been lost by this process.
Everything's a spectator sport: sleeping, eating, sexing, pissing and shitting included.
While I agree with you, I will comment that the only way I've found to disable thunderbird notices from popping up in the middle of a running virtual machine is to kill the program before I start the virtual machine. This is Linux (well, Mozilla) being equally retarded.
FWIW, I *NEVER* want thunderbird to tell me that it's just checked my mail and I have these unread messages. *NEVER*! I check my mail when I'm not doing anything else, and I don't want to be interrupted while I'm doing something else. When I'm not in a virtual machine at least I can just close the window, but when I'm in a virtual machine even that won't work without I first disengage the virtual machine from screen capture and then close the dialog and then re-engage the virtual machine. And even normally I don't want that message. But there doesn't appear to be any way to turn it off.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
As a somewhat hardened veteran of software installation, and the unbounded stupidity that arises from boneheaded mistakes that occur, I would like to point out the following:
Windows 10 Update installation does not follow the guidelines for updating as explicitly laid out in your software, that is "we will update when you are not using the computer". To help matters further, we will specifically exclude during the following hours "8am to 5:30pm".
So WHY THE FUCK WAS THERE AN UNCONTROLLED INSTALLATION OF AN OS UPDATE AT 4PM TODAY DURING THE TIME I WAS ACTIVELY USING THE SYSTEM? And when I say uncontrolled, it was not "oh click later to install, it was "we are rebooting now to install, OK". No deferral, no postponement, just instant notice.
Not to mention that the reboot occurred during a very intense multiplayer fight that I was the host of, which effectively drop-kicked several players out into the ether without me being able to contact them to let them know what was going on.
Did you mean 8am - to 5:30pm my local time, or that of the Microsoft HQ, in sunny whereever? It is bad enough that games developers can't actually remember how many days there are in April, yet to fuck up simple time management for updating has to be some fairly serious mismanagement on the part of senior design leads.
Or could it be that it completely ignores it like the boneheaded mechanism that only allows 10hour "active" windows slot, because there is no possible reason why people at home could not be using it from 7 in the morning until midnight? or am I completely in the dark about usability that requires a 14 hour window to update on a daily basis?
Of course to further the boneheaded-ness it completely fucked the graphics drivers, where it greenscreened just at idle on the desktop - to the point I had to continuously reboot until I could get to the stage where I could get a CMD prompt up and manage to type "shutdown /o /r /t 1" to get a relatively swift reboot into a mode where I say yes, I want to run a troubleshooting step, and reboot, and then select safe mode, and then reboot into it.
Not to mention that it has been a known problem with the graphics drivers since the last update, and putting it down to "it is the responsibility of the driver manufacturers (Microsoft Engineer)" is disingenuous at best, as MS is supposed to have WHQL'd the drivers, which means that MS should have caught this problem much earlier in testing during the automated build and test phase.
To top that then off, I can't run Microsoft EDGE because the "built in administrator account can't run it".... I can't run explorer because you've managed to switch of the command searching in the cortana interface, which means that I can't run taskmanager, command, etc. What stupidity of a design decision managed to get authorised to create this situation?
The insider fast ring is supposed to be a way to bring light problems that exist in interaction with components. Fucking with AMD graphics drivers in this way isn't an acceptable manner of implementing software best practices.
Now I have to spend an hour fucking around with Device driver uninstaller, because in the infinite wisdom, you've managed to disable any ability of the driver software to recognise that there is an installed device, so of course the programs bomb out with a "no recognised device" so we won't do anything remotely sensible like uninstall the graphics drivers. Then I have to spend an hour waiting whilst I roll back the installation, then reinstall drivers, then reboot, reset up profiles, and ... then reboot again. That is a considerable amount of unnecessary reboots as you rush to get untested, useless additions out into the population.
Yours,
Entirely Hacked Off
Obviously you don't remember what happened very well if you think what they gave us was seen as reasonable at the time.
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People don't understand Microsoft. Microsoft regularly delivers evil. Delivering evil makes the top managers feel superior.
So enlighten us how to turn off Win10 updates. I think everyone suffering from this infection would love to know.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Only that Windows somehow knows when you leave the chair to take a big dump, do your laundry or are otherwise afk for longer than the few minutes grace period it offers you.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I wish you could run it under Windows 10 :-)
Nope, he's the BSD user, *I* am the Linux user.
But I couldn't show up earlier: I was busy recompiling my kernel, sorry for being late.
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obviously they do not have their machines configured correctly.
What a pompous ass. Real people who have real lives sometimes want their computer to just work and not have to fight with it. The fault for all of this is Microsoft being total assholes about how they shove updates onto users who should NEVER have to opt out of updates.
The Guardian reporting on tech seems not to be good. They reported that Windows 10 installed automatically, when actually it was an update to an installation of Windows 10 that already existed.
The Twitch stream clearly shows that he had Windows 10 installed already.
It then shows him looking for a way to delay the upgrade...
You can lose something that is loose, so tighten the loose item so you don't lose it.
How did "You can't refuse updates" turn into "All your base are belong to us"? Microsoft's reasoning for this isn't the conspiracy theory that so often shows up on /., it's a much tamer one: Windows has had a long, long history of being the primary (and sometimes only) malware target, and one of the biggest vectors for this was that people would keep refusing/defering updates because they were doing something at the time or didn't want to restart or whatever. They'd have their "friend who's good with computers" come over and disable all those "annoying popups", then a few weeks later they'd be yet another zombie in a botnet or would be infested with adware.
By forcing people to update, no ifs no buts, Microsoft is trying to ensure that as few exploits as possible are available at any given time. It's basically like teaching children to brush their teeth, except the children are petulant adults who never ever want to learn anything about their computers.
Watched a bunch of Dota 2 live streams lately, noticed way too many "windows intrusions" in the form of lan lag, game restarts and system reboots. Valve's Dota 2 Linux beta is solid and the network will work properly with minimal lag, guaranteed. Only a matter of time before pro players and tournament organizers notice that. Farting around with a second rate operating system costs big money at that level.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
Obviously this means trusting some guy on the internet more than Microsoft
No problem then.
Actually it is. I can't tell you the number of problems I solve daily by entering a search string into google.
My most annoying one? A coworker who has lived in the state for 60 years can't google a town name to know what day our delerivery people will be there.
It isn't even complicated. North of a highway are mon, Wed. South of it tues , Thursday and Friday's get two special areas not covered by those two.
Town, st. Up comes google maps. Answer. Done
Still she can't do that and gets it wrong daily.
i thought once I was found, but it was only a dream.
I still have in house machines on XP. No need for patching if they don't talk outbound to the public net.
I do have an Android tablet and it tells me I am in Uxbridge (a London suburb). In fact I am about 150 miles from there, in Wales (promise to tell no-one). So I'm not too worried about their telemetry unless they are bluffing.
Agreed. Ryobi stuff is crap. It fails after the year's guarantee, and it's impossible to get spares for it.
Fuck Yourself.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
I would expect a guy who's toolkit is a computer to know the difference between Window10 Home and Windows10Pro/ENT/Superduper Edition.
But then again, that was kind of my point.
And Windows is the Ryobi of operating systems ;)
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
When you turn it off, you also have to stop updating, or re-turn it off on every update.
The point wasn't how to do it, or how hard it is to do it, but that someone paid to do it should have done it.
This guy's complaints are the same as if a plumber comes out and is missing a tool. He blames Home Depot for selling a toolkit set that didn't include it. I don't care about your excuses. It's your job. If you aren't an effective plumber if you can't keep your tool inventory, then it doesn't matter if logistics is unrelated to pipes, it's a required part of the job of plumbing.
This professional gamer doesn't know how to work his computer. Race car drivers are all "experts" in tires, suspension and engine. You have to be to work out the details of race driving. So a gamer who doesn't know how to work his gaming rig is as good at his job as a race driver that doesn't know the difference between slicks and rain tires.
This idiot announced "look how big an idiot I am!" and is looking for more publicity for it. And Slashdot is giving it to him.
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I wonder if there are any, against all wisdom, control posts for nuclear facilities that are running Windows 7 or 8, that really, cannot, must not, be interrupted during sensitive operations.
That will be the BEST time to update.
Any publicity is good publicity, right?
-- "Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability." --Dijkstra
I remember when people said that about XP. Yet, here we all are.
Yes, here I am with XP still in a VM. I boot it up when those Indian guys phone me to tell me I have a virus and let them play with it for half an hour.
I mean would you expect a Construction Worker to use the same $30 drill (http://www.homedepot.com/p/Ryobi-5-5-Amp-3-8-in-Variable-Speed-Drill-D43K/205216326) that I use at home?
The difference here is that there is no difference whatsoever between the internals of the different kinds of Windows, and it costs Microsoft literally $0 more to press the pro CDs. The two situations are not at all analogous.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
NO MEANS NO, MICROSOFT.
On a metered connection (any connection) if Win10 isn't shut down it will use all the bad width to update itself. Gaming well you take your chances :)
Win7 after april 4th 19 2015 I stopped all updates, and sorted through the ones required and didn't mess with the ones that has wishywashie explanations of what they did.
The one in question is the one that kept force feeding u Win10, after collecting gobs of your data.
to add - don't underestimate the value of a HOSTS file.
I've seen two failures to revert to 7. Six hours of troubleshooting and I finally gave up, and started a fresh install of 7.
It seems that W10 did something to the boot sector of the drive. Recovery fixboot, fixmbr, etc, etc, enable all legacy/UEFI boot in the BIOS - none of it worked. I could see the partitions when the HDD was plugged into another machine, so I was able to rescue the customer's data, but it just wouldn't boot the OS - not even a splash screen. Had to boot to recovery from an installation disc.
W10 will have to stabilise (and I mean that in the most generous sense) before I'm prepared to recommend it to customers. W7 end-of-life isn't until 2020, it'll do just fine until then.
They sentenced me to twenty years of boredom
I run "Classic Discussion System (D1)" and I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Is that something you see on a particular device or browser or is it a problem with the new "Interactive Discussion System (D2)"?
A lot of the settings appear to be frozen as changes don't save.
Minimum threshold fixed. Thanks!
I run "Classic Discussion System (D1)" and I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Is that something you see on a particular device or browser or is it a problem with the new "Interactive Discussion System (D2)"?
A lot of the settings appear to be frozen as changes don't save.
I don't know what you mean about "Classic Discussion System" vs "Interactive Discussion System". I understand the words; but don't know how to tell which one I am using. If it helps, it is the Discussion System that LOOKS like Slashdot has looked for basically ever.
/. COMPLETELY and come back.
It happens on my work Win 7 laptop running Chrome, and on my iPad running Mobile Safari. That's the only two things I browse Slashdot with. And it just started doing this about 2 weeks ago.
My comments Post just fine; I just have to ignore the "Working..." Spinny thing. It goes away if I use the Browser's "Back" button and then "Forward"; but MY POST DOESN'T SHOW UP until I leave
For a "geek" site, Slashdot has some of the LAMEST web coders in the known universe. Seriously. I HATE phpBB with a purple passion; but even IT has a "styled" editing system (I am SO sick of typing HTML Tags just to have a damned Blank Line between Paragraphs, or a FUCKING ITALICIZED WORD, that I could SCREAM), and a way to "re-edit" Posted comments. It isn't a damned LEGAL CONTRACT, FFS. Let us EDIT THAT TYPO AFTER POSTING!!!!
But I digress...
I'd be happy if they'd just fix the FOREVER spinny-thing when you Post.
Try right clicking the "Reply to This" tab and opening a new tab instead of Replying in-line. THAT should do the trick of getting rid of the FOREVER Spnny-thing.
Specifically:
Right click Start Menu -> Computer Management -> Services -> Windows Update -> Stop and Disable
Not exactly black magic of Windows administration, albeit well beyond most users. Just pointing out administrating a computer should enable you to do this.
This forum Sig is licensed under the LGPL.
Answer the following:
What does gaming have to do with managing a firewall?
Do you hold the receptionist playing with Outlook and Freecell to the same admin standard, and if not, why?
Why is Pro Gaming a "problem"?
Why do you think you have any influence at all on what does and doesn't become a spectator sport?
How does a leaderboard differ from the official tennis rankings, or the leading teams in the FIFA cup?
Why do you become a loser just because someone else plays a competitive sport? The soccer ICC is about to start, does that make me a loser because I kick a soccer ball around with a few mates after work?
This happened to me last week. I wasn't streaming or anything, but I was playing Dirt Rally. It was an online stage, which you only get one shot at per day. 30 seconds in, W10 decides it needs to do some upgrading right then, so it collapses my game into a window, throws crap all over the screen and forces a restart. Afterwards, due to Dirt Rally policy of disallowing a stage restart if the game is exited mid-stage, I was unable to have another shot at it. In the overall scheme of things it matters very little, but I was absolutely blown away by the sheer chutzpah of the OS doing that.
I'm a Mac guy, and only use W10 to run this game - it's nothing but a launcher as far as I'm concerned. Macs may be many things (and a great gaming platform isn't one of them, hence I have a PC for that), but I can't imagine a Mac ever doing something this obnoxious. If they ever do, that's the end of me upgrading for sure.
If anyone knows how I can disable this I'm all ears. I have everything else disabled that I can see - location, Cortana, etc, etc, but it STILL thinks it knows better.
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Comprehensive reading is not your strong point I take it?
This person was already running Windows 10, but then Windows decided on its own that it was time to install some random updates and that this was more important than what the owner of the computer was doing with is computer at the time.
This is bordering on malware practices.
This gamer should be setting the time to not when he's streaming.
That's by far the wrong answer, enough to the point that the term 'gross incompetence' comes to mind. No well working software should ever automatically do anything that has a high risk of completely trashing your system without i.e. giving you the opportunity to back up your data. (And worse is that this thing sets you up for two high risk operations, in addition to deleting software you have without asking you.)
Like this. Note that to change the registry key, you need to first take its ownership and then give yourself permission to edit it, while running regedit as Administrator. No more updates. Poof!
You are welcome.
That's not what I remember using TSR in DOS, and I wrote some.
You'd make your TSR as a function that was called in lieu of the timer interrupt - you'd replace the address the timer int would jump to with the address of your function, and then at the end of your function you'd jump to the original timer interrupt address to let it do it's usual thing. That also allowed multiple TSRs to load; they'd just chain 1 after the other and the last 1 would finally call the normal timer int. As such, the TSR code ran every time the timer interrupt fired.
People seem to think that it is windows TEN that they're getting, when 10 is binary, pure and simple. That is why the question posed to the user is always 1-Yes 0-No There is really no representation for 'later' in binary. MS should simply post the EULA as the real question, with the usual two choices at the end: Agree or decline. This way, you are already familiar with the deception er I mean the EULA, and can respond accordingly
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The article talks about an automated Windows 10 installation and quote: "Regardless of how good Windows 10 might be and how automatic installs boost user numbers, forcing it down the throats of unsuspecting gamers, weather people and workers isn’t exactly going to breed goodwill among Windows users" but it's very clearly just a Windows Update on a machine already running 10.
You may say this is a minor distinction: the PC still rebooted when he didn't want it to - but it's still shoddy journalism with an obvious axe to grind. This isn't a case of Windows being forced down someone's throat - it's a case of a normal Windows Update, which would have been warning him for hours of the pending reboot and he had the opportunity to disable.
Furthermore, how did Microsoft get into the position of forcing reboots for updates on people? Because people ignored updates, otherwise, resulting in millions of unpatched XP boxes and everyone blaming Microsoft. So Microsoft is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
As much as I hate the forced reboot effect of patches, I know how we got to this point and I understand why it's like this. Microsoft updates do warn you and allow you to put the reboot off for 1 or 4 hours (repeatedly) so again, I think he had some opportunity to prevent this. Additionally, he's effectively a "professional sportsman", so he should know his equipment. It's not like you cannot turn off automated updates. He should have done that. If his job revolves around needing his PC to not be interrupted in real time, he should have taken the simple steps required to make that happen.
WTF would anyone bother to remember stupid obsolete shit like that?
or worse, remember it with fond nostalgia: "I used to get poked in the eye every morning with a chili-coated fork. Those were the days!"
that crap sucked back then, and neither nostalgia nor hindsight make it suck any less.
Luckily that's never going to happen. Most computer-based hospital equipment is either running Windows XP or, heaven forbid, Windows CE. Neither of those OSes qualify for the free upgrade.
Actually, depending on your windows update settings, windows 10 can fully automatically install without any user intervention, and in fact does so. What happens though is it upgrades you're machine to 10, boots to it, and then shows you an EULA, which if you decline, then it downgrades back to 7.
This is really not a nice thing to do to your customers, and even automatically uninstalls software that it deems incompatible with 10.
Where in the word "Microsoft" do you see the word "nice" ?
They're a soulless corporation that doesn't give a shit if their users are actually happy so long as the users are locked into the ecosystem (or too lazy / stupid to break out of it).
blindly antisocialist = antisocial
Like an idiot, I figured I'd eventually be stuck with Win10 on my gaming box after MS sunsets Win7 support, so I tried it out on my year-old, fair-to-middling quality home-built rig. All of my performance-hit fears were soon realized, including network lag, bandwidth usage, really crappy GPU support (on a GTX 980 Ti ferchrissakes!), and crashes/reboots due to interminable windows updates. Silly me. It was like trying to play the original Everquest on a Zenith 286.
Reinstalling Win7 cleanly, sans all the annoying Win10 "free upgrade" updates, is OK for now. When Win7 support sunsets, it's Steam on Linux for me.
Scruting the inscrutable for over 50 years.
Pushy updates in general are just mainstream.
Just yesterday, I had a problem with FileZilla automatically downloading an update into my Downloads folder and happily popping up a dialog box asking me to install it. The trouble is, since forever I've set the setting "Check for FileZilla updates automatically" to "Never". When I checked my Downloads folder (which I otherwise never use), there were 6 different versions of the updater in the folder. Apparently, the software will check for and download updates anyway, even if it won't automatically install them.
I'm glad Microsoft is taking at least some flak, but it's an industry-wide problem. MS certainly won't bow to pressure if nobody else has to.
You don't have to have Enterprise: ...you are slightly more screwed if you have the "Home" edition tho. ...and for the mod who marked my original post "Redundant" :-P
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Yes, but it puts failing to disable Win10 updates so it doesn't interrupt your stream into perspective when you compare it to crap we had to go through just to get the game to correctly load.
... DOS=HIGH ...
Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say.
https://www.grc.com/never10.ht... Perhaps that might help ?
Fuck that. If you're quoting something, quote it properly.
If I recall correctly, one was using bank-switching, so that while you had a 640K address range (alright, it was a full 1M, but parts of it were reserved for other memory mapped things because IBM knows how to design for the future), the memory space you reached changed as you adjusted what pages mapped where. This one worked on 286's that could not actually use a 32 bit memory space. I don't recall if it worked on plain 8086's or not.
The other just gave you a straight 32 bit memory range, but required that your users update to a 386 processor.
that crap sucked back then, and neither nostalgia nor hindsight make it suck any less.
If your processor *cannot* access more than 1M of address space no matter what, than you have to come up with some way to do this.
Bank switching is *old* technology. Heck, my Atari 2600 had an add-on expansion that gave it (again, from memory) two switchable 2K banks of memory, so that your 4K addressing range could access a total of 8K of ram, plus routines to load the next section of your game from cassette tape. Surprisingly, the same chips that Atari used in the 2600 gave much better graphics when you upgraded the ram from about 128 bytes to 4K -- over-designed chips.
Microsoft looked for a year or two there as though they might have learned that behaving like user-disregarding monopolist was a bad idea. Apparently not. Old habits die hard.
Only boring people are ever bored.
That's what you get from just clicking without reading the message.. He had a message a few days before the actual upgrade on when it was automatically gonna upgrade, and he was able to set a different time...... So all in all it's his own fault..
Yes, I know. Even my TRS-80 did similar in the 70s (and the TRS-80 sucked so bad that you had to open it up and solder in an extra RAM chip if you wanted lowercase letters).
My point was not that it was unnecessary or that it didn't serve a useful purpose but that having to do it sucked. nostalgia doesn't magically make it not suck.
and while these things were clever (and very much appreciated) hardware hacks to work around quite severe limitations, the crappy hardware that had those limitations still sucked - even though it may have been State Of The Art and quite desirable at the time.
I must be some kind of mutant - my nostalgia doesn't come with rose-coloured glasses.
No, it doesn't. With Pro you can only defer updates, you can't outright refuse them. Only Enterprise has this feature, and even then you can't do it on an individual basis, it has to be done via a domain setting to tell the OS to only update via a local WSUS server. And even that isn't reliable enough, typically in an enterprise setting it's also necessary to block access to Microsoft's update servers at the network level.
You realize that these solutions are unrealistic to the typical home user, right? Especially this gamer who likely doesn't want to use wifi. There really is no option to both have updates enabled AND make it prompt you before installing them.
If you upgrade to Windows 10 Professional, you can control when and how you take updates. I do this, and it works just fine. You can find the instructions here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Windo...
You are assuming that others want to resume from exactly where they left off.
For me that is very rare.
I am several days late because I have been playing Tomb Raider on my Linux machine.
Yup, I feel your pain. It was an anxious wait until RadeonSI hit the opengl 4.2~4.3 milestone in Mesa.
(To all the other regular /. readers: sorry for the deep insider joke).
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