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FBI: Review of New Emails Doesn't Change Conclusion on Clinton (cnn.com)
FBI director James Comey told Congress Sunday that the new scrutiny of emails related to Hillary Clinton has turned up nothing that would cause the bureau to recommend charges against her. The conclusion comes nine days after rocking the presidential race with word that a new trove of emails had been discovered. "During that process, we have reviewed all of the communications that were to or from Hillary Clinton while she was secretary of State," Comey wrote. "Based on our review, we have not changed our conclusions that we expressed in July with respect to Secretary Clinton." From a report on CNN:"We were always confident nothing would cause the July decision to be revisited. Now Director Comey has confirmed it," tweeted Clinton spokesman Brian Fallon. Comey's last-minute announcement gives Clinton an opportunity for an I-told-you-so moment -- but it's unlikely to undo the political damage of his initial announcement. Trump and his allies have seized on that announcement, using it claim Clinton is likely to face criminal charges. "If she were to win, it would create an unprecedented constitutional crisis," Trump claimed Saturday night in Reno, Nevada. "In that situation we could very well have a sitting president under felony indictment and ultimately a criminal trial. It would grind government to a halt." The political benefit for Trump has been that Republicans who'd been skeptical of their party's nominee have largely followed vice presidential nominee Mike Pence's calls to "come home" to the party -- finding Trump less objectionable than Clinton.
Of course it doesn't change their conclusion. She did nothing wrong.
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Consistency is only a virtue if you're not a screw-up.
Just look at how other impeachment processes go.
Nixon was forced to resign. No issues at all.
That's pretty damn impressive.
Of course they didn't change their conclusion because the important matters didn't change - she's still white, wealthy, and powerful.
Who doesn't like it?
With enough poppers, even the straightest and most burly of men will learn to accept Hitlery Clitton's concrete strapon made with real porcupine quills.
-timothy
If Hillary wins, but Republicans keep control of Congress, Kaine will become president in a year or two, if Nixon's career is any guide. Of course, if the Dems win everything, then the troubles will go away, and she'll probably be able to serve two terms, barring issues with her health.
Laws were clearly broken. Only an idiot would think that the rule of law could ever be applied to a Clinton. The government protects its owners.
... likely to face criminal charges... we could very well have a sitting president under felony indictment and ultimately a criminal trial.
Ha ha ha. That's rich, coming from him.
/me is taking bets on how long it will be before Melania sues for divorce. I'll need a big bag of popcorn to watch those fireworks.
Will be Weiner or Huma, or one of Hillary's other minions who got immunity and then lied.
The real question is when will they sing like a bird - that will make for great impeachment hearings.
Huma.
"we have not changed our conclusions that we expressed in July with respect to Secretary Clinton"
You might add in the other immunity deals also brokered.
This smells like Huma going under the bus to take the fall for everything. /grabs popcorn and waits for more leaks
The masses are stupid and that includes the majority of people on Slashdot. What we need is a free society, not one that enslaves us. Enslavement is all we are going to get from either party. What we should do is migrate those who want freedom to one place. Then open the boarder, end taxation, end all government social programs (using violence to force charity on people is inefficient and unethical, and that is what these programs are, not to mention introduction programs for the state, obedience), end laws that have no victims, end laws that criminalize actions for which there is no violence, coercion, theft, or fraud, like copy"right", and drivers licenses.
We don't need the government to make us dependant on it for basics like educating our children. Without taxation or with the most minimal of taxation the vast majority of people could afford to cover there own children’s schooling, health care, and even security. We should end laws that mandate government permission slips. We shouldn't have to ask permission to open a business or utilize modern transport mechanisms like motor vehicles to travel. We shouldn't be punished for putting something the government or some segment of the population doesn't like into our bodies (like drugs, cigarettes, and booze).
I moved to New Hampshire to join a migration effort of like minded people that is trying and accomplishing many of these things. It's very much about decentralization and zero or near-zero government (things like Uber-instead of regulated cabs, but ideally more decentralized and open, BitCoins, decentralized apps to help with protection services to replace police/central government, etc).
States imprison more people than the federal government so even without secession we can have a big impact via a migration of like-minded people. Check out http://www.freestateproject.org/ or http://www.freekeene.com/ to learn more about what is happening here.
You know, the one who printed out all those classified e-mails for Hillary and others to read. Is she exhonerated as well? I mean, we already know that Weiner is cleared, even though he had a laptop full of classified e-mails from Hillary and his wife...
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
> That's pretty damn impressive.
Not so much.
First, they only needed to look at messages from/to clinton, not every single message that Abedin had sent or received.
Second, they already had most of those because she had previously turned them over. All they had to do was compare the list of messages on this laptop to the list of what they already looked at. It probably took less than a hundred lines of perl to do that.
Those two combined probably got the list down to just a couple of hundred messages that required manual vetting.
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You are clearly reading a different slashdot than I am, in order to come to that conclusion. Slashdot has leaned hard-right for years (often under the pretend claim of "libertarianism"). More slashdot users will vote for Trump than Hillary, and quite likely more will abstain from voting altogether (due to Trump being not conservative enough) than will vote for her as well.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
So what happened to the claim that they would not be able to go through these emails before election?? Something smells fishy here...
How much is the Russian government paying you? I hear it's a pretty cutthroat gig there...
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Everyone told me Comey was irresponsible and wasn't worth listening to last week. Why should we care what he says now?
The GOP will ensure that no matter the composition of the house and senate after this week, nothing will be allowed to progress under President Clinton. No supreme court vacancies will be filled, and no bills that have the least bit of "liberalism" in them will ever make it to the white house. There is a growing number of elected GOP politicians promising to start impeachment on her ASAP as well.
It appears we would have been better off electing a Ficus Tree instead, it would have operated on a much smaller budget.
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Even though Google is attempting to censor searching for Clinton's scandals they are still visible. Mostly based on this, but I added some missed.
Monica Lewinsky: Led to only the second president in American history to be impeached. Hillary is not "pro-woman" as her and pundits will attempt to claim.
Benghazi: Four Americans killed, an entire system of weak diplomatic security uncloaked, and the credibility of a president and his secretary of state damaged.
Asia fundraising scandal: More than four dozen convicted in a scandal that made the Lincoln bedroom, White House donor coffees and Buddhist monks infamous.
Hillary’s private emails: Hundreds of national secrets already leaked through private email and the specter of a criminal probe looming large.
Whitewater: A large S&L failed and several people went to prison.
Travelgate: The firing of the career travel office was the very first crony capitalism scandal of the Clinton era.
Humagate: An aide’s sweetheart job arrangement.
Pardongate: The first time donations were ever connected as possible motives for presidential pardons.
Foundation favors: Revealing evidence that the Clinton Foundation was a pay-to-play back door to the State Department, and an open checkbook for foreigners to curry favor.
Mysterious files: The disappearance and re-discovery of Hillary’s Rose Law Firm records.
Filegate: The Clinton use of FBI files to dig for dirt on their enemies.
Hubble trouble: The resignation and imprisonment of Hillary law partner Web Hubbell.
The Waco tragedy: One of the most lethal exercises of police power in American history.
The Clinton’s Swedish slush fund: $26 million collected overseas with little accountability and lots of questions about whether contributors got a pass on Iran sanctions.
Troopergate: From the good old days, did Arkansas state troopers facilitate Bill Clinton’s philandering?
Gennifer Flowers: The tale that catapulted a supermarket tabloid into the big time.
Bill’s Golden Tongue: His and her speech fees shocked the American public.
Boeing Bucks: Boeing contributed big-time to Bill; Hillary helped the company obtain a profitable Russian contract.
Larry Lawrence: How did a fat cat donor get buried in Arlington National Cemetery without war experience?
The cattle futures: Hillary as commodity trader extraordinaire.
Chinagate: Nuclear secrets go to China on her husband’s watch.
Watergate: Committee chairman stated that if he had the power to fire her he would have. “She was a liar. She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality.”
Juanita Broaddrick: Another woman attacked and threatened by Hillary who brought rape allegations against Bill Clinton.
Paula Jones: Yet another woman attacked and threatened by Hillary who brought rape allegations against Bill Clinton.
Nope, it's not the "woman" thing people have problems with. We have problems with an extremely long list of scandals and concern for self interests and self preservation. Politicians are supposed to be there for the people, and the Clinton's have left a legacy of doing the exact opposite. Their vast fortune gathered while she held public office and encyclopedic list of legal troubles should tell you all you need to know.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
For the next 4 years. That's the kind of stability you can vote for on Tuesday. Why take a chance on an uncertain future when you could pick someone with a proven track record?
why did they even bring it up in the first place? Why not wait until they have examined everything and THEN report? All it does it make Comey look like an idiot or a schemer who changes alliances quickly.
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The problem you have is that you believe every lie that the republican politicians tell you. They have no integrity, you have no brain. You are the epitome of what is wrong in this country... people who are ignorant, and ten choose to be fucking stupid.
Hillary is the most investigated politician in the last 100 years, yet not a single one of these "scandals" has provided any evidence of actual wrongdoing. Don't you think that if any had, republicans would have actually had her arrested and tried? It's like these fucking idiots who want to impeach Obama... IF there were any reason to, the worthless piece of shit republicans in the House would have tried.... they didn't because there was nothing there. YET... people like you continue to be stupid fucking idiots.
I'm really trying to give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not as worthlessly fucking stupid as you sound.... but it's really difficult not to look at stupid fucking idiocy and not call it out.
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Can't argue that point. Or that it's not a Good Thing.
I gave the source in the first paragraph, as well as the explanation. Would you care to discount that those scandals existed with facts? I was around through most of those scandals being the lead topics on every major station for months. The Government was basically shut down during the impeachment process while we listened to Bill try to provide new definition to the word "is". Yeah, the bias is strong with you.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
It was a lovely October surprise and might still throw the election to Trump. After 20 years of nonstop character assassination folks don't like Hilary. It doesn't help that she's kind of impersonal (too much time working, not enough socializing). If this news was a week ago it's be a moot point, but then again that's pretty obviously why dropped when it did...
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that stroke of conscience didn't last long
That was awfully well prepared.
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Hillary's maid can be Secretary of Defense.
Hillary Clinton is an evil person. She left Americans, people under her employ, to die in Libya. Afterward she claimed that this obviously preplanned attack, on the anniversary of another planned attack on the USA, was just a protest over a movie that got out of hand. The maker of this movie was then jailed over a minor probation violation to make things look at least nominally consistent with her claims. This man was jailed as a scapegoat because he dared exercise his right of free expression.
This e-mail scandal is nothing compared to the crimes she's committed before. The operation of the Clinton Foundation as a charity is a sham. It does give a lot of money to help the poor but that is only to launder the money they get. A good front company will do what they say they do or else it wouldn't be a front. Behind the scenes they pocket a lot of money, divert some to their political friends, who also seem to operate front companies that do construction and such. The Foundation was used as a way for foreign nations to buy influence in the State Department when she was Secretary.
This FBI investigation over the improper handling of secret e-mails is just one of five FBI investigations that Clinton is involved with right now. It's not a question on if she broke the law, only the matter of which laws specifically she broke and how many times. She belongs in jail and for the rest of her life.
Her crimes makes her unsuitable for public office but even if that is ignored just her policies alone make her unfit. She's been talking about how we need to go to war with Russia. Her policies on political campaign reform would be the end of free expression in the USA. Her immigration policies alone could collapse the economy. Her idea on the right to keep and bear arms requires that we redefine what the words "right" and "keep" mean, sort of how Obamacare allows you to "keep" your doctor redefining.
One bright spot in all of this is that Clinton does not appear to be in good health. Not that I wish anyone ill but I do believe that if she is elected that she will do serious damage to the republic, the only thing that may stop her now is her own mortality.
If I stopped there I suspect that people would reply to me on how Trump is terrible and they'd vote for Clinton only to keep Trump from winning. Trump didn't leave people to die at the hands of thugs and terrorists. Trump didn't use the power of government to silence his opposition. Trump, having never been in government, has never abused the powers of public office. He's been a private citizen all this time, and as a businessman has had to fight the government to make money and employ people. He knows where government has failed business and I expect that if he wins that we will see economic growth. Trump is far from perfect but at least he's not the next in line to maintain a criminal dynasty in the USA.
I am armed because I am free. I am free because I am armed.
Did I at any point say she was found guilty? No, I did not. Did those scandals have impact on the USA? Yes they did. Is there enough reason to look at those and distrust the character of the person involved? Yes, there is. Is there any reason to look at the current financial status of the Clinton's and have distrust? Yes, there is.
Unfortunately for you I have actually studied most of these issues having quite a few years on most Slashdot posters. Most of that list have tremendous factual backing, but according to prosecutors lacked enough evidence to prosecute. I don't dismiss subjects because someone told me they were false, I actually read all relevant materials. The lack of prosecution does not remove facts. It's important to note that I didn't list what I consider hard to prove conspiracy that you could find on the Clinton's pretty easily. Such as the latest Podesta emails.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
With the exception of finally getting nailed by the IRS your argument works for Al Capone as well. Does it prove he was clean as a whistle, or does it prove he was a criminal but nobody could ever make anything stick because of widespread corruption?
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
A man fearing for his life does not create a "Life Insurance" folder filled with nothing.
I should have added a few facts to back my assertions. Whitewater led to 15 Felony convictions, so this is not merely speculation or allegation. Bill Clinton settled out of court with Paula Jones for 850,000.00, again not speculation or allegation. Chinagate ended with an award of 900,000 to Judicial Watch and people fleeing the country to avoid prosecution. Clinton later pardoned Marc Rich who is the person who fled prosecution. Again, not speculation or allegation.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
... emails and nothing would change.
Yeah. It's not because there's nothing there, but she's above the law.
The FBI didn't get the warrant to search the emails until Oct. 30. http://www.nbcnews.com/politic...
Funny you should mention taxes. Where are Trump's? I hope there is not a criminal investigation related to him making child porn thirty years ago and deducting the hotel as an expense. That's the only reason not to release them after all. Since he says, but not under oath, that he isn't owned by Russia
I'm a conservative, but, I also live in reality. If anyone thinks this "lady" isn't going to be the next president, you're nuts! Between the Clinton Crime Foundation, the Arkansas Mafia, illegal alien voters, multiple voters, dead voters, 99% of the media, the majority of the establishment Republicans, she's gonna be the next president. Personally, I think the only reason Trump got into the race in the first place, was because Bill Clinton, whom he had a meeting with BEFORE even running for the nomination, was probably told "or else". With the stupidity of "celebrity-ism" in this country, and, saying what people have WANTED a politician to say, the media goes along and pretty much only covers Trump, not giving any other candidate a chance. Trump has been a liberal pretty much his entire life. Gives to liberal causes, backs liberal candidates, even said "Hillary will make a great senator" when she ran for the NY senate seat. Heck, on Wednesday, it would not surprise me, if Trump say "I never wanted to be president anyway" and then laughs as he and the democrats destroyed what's left of the GOP. But, I can tell you living here in the midwest, there are a TON of people that have HAD IT with Washington DC. They push it even more with a uber socialist like Hillary, and there will be another bloody civil war in this nation. Oh, I'm sure they will try to get the guns, but, what it will do is cause our government to kill it's citizens to get them, because they aren't gonna give em up. Boy, I really feel sorry for this nation in the next few years, regardless of who wins. One thing, if Hillary wins, the markets and the global economy have been propped up by "money printing" and should go into another depression. Guess who gets the blame? The president...pretty much regardless if it is their fault or not. Personally, I'd like to see the entire citizen population opt for an Article 5 convention of states, repeal the 17th amendment, put the election of senators BACK into the hands of the state legislators, as it was intended. Citizens HAVE a voice in DC, the House of Representatives. The states were to elect the senators, who would give voice to the states in DC. That balance was upset with the 17th amendment. We have gone so far off the kilter, to what the Constitution says government is suppose to be that people are AFRAID of government, and, it should be THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
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I'll take Gridlock over whatever the hell Mike Pence has planned any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
I don't really expect Hilary to do much good, but there's a _lot_ of bad that can be done.
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5 times no less? I'm not saying she couldn't have made better decisions, but I _am_ saying that your dislike for her has nothing to do with *gazi and more to do with how she makes you feel. She's been the target of a non-stop 20 year long character assignation program the scope of which is breathtaking. The fact that she's made it this far in spite of that is no mean feat.
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She's corrupt, and when Trump wins Obummer will pardon her. When the only solution is a march on washington. We've been preparing for this a long time. The swamp will be drained.
You're talking about the Bush that sneakily endorsed Hillary, right?
Just to shut down all the nonsense that people will try to drum up, because the job of running the country can be done without distractions is paramount.
A powerful president is not necessarily a good president and can easily turn dictator, see Putin, see Erdogan.
through e-mail was OK? REALLY? E-Mail should be used for scheduling appointments only in the feds and states. Don't be critical of the receiver, be critical of the sender. And I really don't care if the receiver says e-mail me. It shouldn't happen. Do official documentation of meetings. This e-mail stuff has to end. It is laziness and no way to conduct official business.
Harping on very minor scandals month after month and year after year while ignoring her opponents much, much worse scandals is what I'd call character assassination. John Oliver does a much, much better job explaining it than I can over here.
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and I'm not trolling here. Ever read Bruce Sterling's Distraction"? This is why the left kinda lost their shit when the right started putting target signs over Hilary. If you're going to encourage a climate of violence you shouldn't be surprised when the violent pick up on what you're saying and run with it...
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The Bush administration lost 22 million emails because their entire crew was using private emails servers for administration business. How come nobody cared about that? oh, right, because at the time we were spending a trillion $ and thousands of lives searching for WMDs that didn't exist while outing CIA agents and letting people drown in New Orleans.
You couldn't care less about emails. You hate Hillary (and Obama) and that's it. No big surprise there--lots of assholes hate Hillary, it's one of the best things about her.
and I'm wondering what caused it. Maybe anti-immigration? The H1-Bs have got me running scared too. I flirted with Trump because he seemed more willing to reign in the abuses (even when somewhere in the back of my head I know we'll need immigrants if we don't want to share Japan's fate as our birth rate drops, queue /. joke here).
But then I read he took $900k from one of the biggest H1-B reliant outsourcing firms out there and basically gave up on that. I haven't heard him say much more than "Crooked Hilary" and something/something about emails in weeks. Meanwhile I've got friends that rely on Obamacare (one of which is a Type-1 diabetic who until the medicaid expansion was making frequent trips to the ER to get insulin because his insurance had been cut off).
I'm not expecting either candidate to to much to help me, but I've got concrete places where Trump will _hurt_ me. Yeah, I could vote 3rd party, but that could still drop the presidency in his pocket. And besides, Johnson is definitely not my friend and Jill Stein is an anti-vaxer...
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Internet polls are scientific. NOT.
Climate of violence? You mean the bird dogging they staged at Trump rallies? You do realize that I, personally, ran down a bunch of links to corroborate that, no? I mean, we only have Zulema on camera lying to cops. Explain that if you will.
I have no intention of using violence whatsoever. Rather, I would like to see actual, lawful investigation not being prevented by politics, rather than a simple 9-day cover-up where they declare the 650k emails irrelevant, or where they hand out immunity agreements like candy, only to have nothing left to prosecute in the end. A very weird investigation with no grand jury (which you'd need if you thought there was any possibility of charging anyone...).
I'm definitely against the climate of violence, but you might want to double check just who is creating this. About half of this country apparently supports any old dirty trick to attack anyone who might not support Hillary. They're happy to blame the GOP for firebombing its own office. When someone claiming to be on their side (about which I have many doubts...) does that to a black church, they raise hundreds of thousands of dollars to rebuild it (see anyone on the Democratic side do that for the GOP office? Yeah, I didn't think so...)
So who is it who believes they have a right to retaliate? Who is staging all these assassinations? Who is staging violence?
is "Keep farking that chicken". I forget who pointed it out but at this stage Hilary Clinton is the most heavily vetted candidate for the presidency in History. Mother lovin' Obama wasn't put through this much crap.
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They go back and retroactively mod bomb people too.
Emails are classified based on the information in them. The fact she didn't mark them appropriately is of tertiary importance - the presence of the information is the crime. The classification guides didn't change. They weren't marked, sometimes, until later, but sometimes they were marked. She didn't care.
She's getting off on this one in a place where many others were convicted. For instance, Petraeus didn't have classification marks in his personal journal, yet the contents were classified as all hell. The person he shared them with had a TS clearance, but had no need-to-know for the information. In this case, Clinton shared the information with someone with neither clearance nor need to know.
Understand what you are talking about before commenting.
HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
There's 2 forums that I read a lot, basically lurk on, and occasionally post. One is Slashdot, and the other is Fark.
I like Slashdot because sometimes some very smart techie people will post interesting insights into techie issues.
Fark, of course, is mostly known for snarky frat-boy humor.
But! I'm embarrassed to say that Slashdot users, whom I gave way too much credit for intelligence, are proving to be trolls, knuckle-draggers, and mouth-breathers of the very worst sort.
Whereas Fark seems to have some very intelligent and balanced conversations about some of the very same subjects, including politics.
Just goes to show, basement-dwellers might know how to hack, but you wouldn't want to hang out with any of them.
I've never been convicted of any crime. Therefore, by your logic, I'm a more powerful criminal than Al Capone?
I think that you believe that Hillary has not been convicted because she's bought all of the investigations. But among her opponents are very powerful Republican politicians. Not just one or two, but all of them. Some of her opponents are also billionaires. She and Bill are certainly not poor, but they cannot play in the same leagues as the Koch Bros and Sheldon Adelson (and supposedly Mr Trump). Maybe add the Russian intelligence agencies to that list of enemies. And her opponents have been coming after her for decades, and have so far proved that Bill gets blowjobs and Hillary is not competent at email security. Rather underwhelming.
Look, Hillary and Bill are powerful people, and they have some rich friends, but nobody is that invulnerable. Al Capone just had a few government agents who had to work within the rules against him; Hillary has half of the most powerful people in the USA (and many outside of the USA) gunning for her. If she was guilty, there would be proof. Instead, all we get is Wikileaks about, um, black magic or something equally moronic.
Nope, I'm true independent. Go look back to me supporting Obama years ago if you like. I'm not really in favor of Trump per se, either, but after reading all the things Hillary has been up to and all the things she's faked or lied about, well, he's our best chance of not-Hillary. I disagree with a lot of his policies, but at the same time, I recognize that the "monster" people see him as is in fact a deliberate creation of media colluding with the DNC. No, that doesn't mean every scandal is fake. He's got plenty of shady business deals and he's said plenty of things I don't agree with.
But that completely pales in regards to what Hillary has done and is doing. I've been able to take a long, hard look at all of that thanks to Wikileaks. Sure, some idiot will say I'm being duped by the Russians, but... duped into what? Not going to war with them over Syria? Because we WANT more useless wars now? I don't think so. The emails are genuine and anyone who claims otherwise is going to need to get the 1 BTC from Erratasec by faking DKIM.
The fact that she's been so effective in making people believe that violence is somehow justified (and blaming both Trump & Sanders for it!) is something I find incredibly disturbing.
The situation did not change with the inquiries into the Clinton Foundation and the various other disgusting things going on - pay for play, human trafficking, pedophilia. This was just about classified e-mail.
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I think we can now all agree that James Comey is the single most incompetent human being to ever work for the federal government.
[bipartisanship joy off]
If this is the sort of person who holds high positions in the federal government, then it is indeed time to drain the swamp in DC
I can't stand Trump but the behavior of the Democratic party during this election is just galling. It's best summed up by Obama's interview on Neil Cavuto's show. He was asked if "undocumented workers" should be fearful of getting arrested if they vote. There is only one answer to this question, if you are an undocumented worker/citizen YOU SHOULD NOT VOTE. He never mentioned but instead explained that law enforcement wasn't going to do anything if they did, which is all but saying "it's okay". He is the head of the Executive Branch of government and in charge of enforcing the laws and policies of the US government, the only acceptable answer is YOU SHOULD NOT VOTE because that is the f**cking law.
That's just the tip of the iceberg, the Governor of Virginia re-enfranchised 60,000 convicted felons and in the letter he sent them asked them to vote for Clinton. He tried to hide the number of felons he re-enfranchised and there is no way he gave any of them the due consideration and review he is obligated to by law (all the forms were signed by auto pen because legally they're required to have a "signature").
And the list goes own, Clinton being feed debate/town-hall questions, AP reporters asking the Clinton campaign to sign off on news reports (neither of which is illegal but both egregious violation of journalistic ethics). The media is tripping over itself trying to come up with excuses why Clinton did nothing illegal with her email, she did. (I've worked on several Federal projects ... she broke the law. Intent, ignorance, etc. do nothing to change that).
I don't want Trump to be president either but the contempt the DNC and a good chunk of the American media have shown in trying to railroad Clinton to victory is deplorable. The woman is scum and doesn't deserve to be President anymore than he does.
No, not the whitewash of Clinton's mishandling of classified data. I accept what the head of the FBI told Congress (under oath), that Secretary Clinton is too stupid to understand what she was doing was illegal. OK, fine.
But there's at least 110 emails sent to her that contained information that was classified at the time it was sent. That's the whitewash. Each of those emails represents at least three federal crimes:
Removing the classified data from secure computers
Removing the fact that it's classified
Sending it through a non-secure channel.
That's a minimum of 330 serious crimes by the people who sent those emails. There is no investigation of those people, and there will be one. No one will ever go to prison for those crimes. I'm guessing that most of them were sent by Clinton appointees, insiders who would be very, very embarrassing to Clinton should they be prosecuted. But we'll never know, because the White House (and it can't come from anywhere else) has whitewashed the entire affair.
That's the coverup.
This changes nothing for most people (just like with the previous FBI 'bombshell').
That's because the vast majority of people pick a candidate early on and don't change their pick no matter what happens.
All this bullshit about the polls going back and forth is nonsense. The media ALWAYS try to portray it as a neck-and-neck horse race when it almost never is.
I mean, hello? Remember McCain-Obama and Romney-Obama? Each time the media played it up as a "virtual dead heat OMG!!1!", and each time it was a fucking landslide. It's the same this time around.
But I digress. Only the genuinely brain-damaged "undecided" voters would change their vote at this late stage, and frankly if you're still undecided at this point you're really too stupid to be entrusted with voting.
Whatever side you pick, how could anyone be moronic as not to see the difference between the two candidates or to not have made a choice months ago?
It's not like the candidates are similar or have even slightly overlapping views. Whatever choice you make, that choice should have been clear to you early on.
The "undecided" voters don't mean shit. They've never swayed an election and they never will. There just aren't enough of them to matter.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
and yet she gets a free pass for things we're putting the likes of General Petraeus away for. It only takes a few key friends... or people who just don't want to "commit suicide".
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
If you receive a classified e-mail on an inappropriate system, this is called a spillage. In the event of a spillage, it is your responsibility to report this to your security manager. In this case, it would be someone at Hillary's State Department. That person would have confiscated all the devices the mail was received on, and identified the recipients. At that point, an evaluation would be made as to whether the recipients of the classified e-mail would be within USG control. If so, all of their devices would similarly be confiscated. If not, there might be a consultation with the authority in control of the classification guide(s) that made the e-mail classified. If it could be verified as not being under the guide and therefore arguably unclassified, it might end the tale there. But if the e-mail is in fact classified, all devices that have the e-mail on it will be wiped - either partially or wholly - of all evidence of the classified material. In addition, it might be necessary for the USG to take possession of the mass storage devices in question, as they would be assumed classified at the level of the material that passed over them. The technical guidance is that if, say, a "Secret" mail passed onto an unclassified system, the system's drive is now classified Secret and cannot pass out of the possession of the USG without destruction. At that point you'd get a new mass storage device with a new image on it, and your previous contents would be lost.
The documentation for these procedures is publicly available in Army Regulations AR 25-1 and 25.2, for the Army at least.
If you do not follow this procedure, you are guilty of a crime, which could reach up to espionage if intent can be determined.
Everyone who receives a clearance from the USG signs SF312. Hillary signed this too. She is in violation of its terms by her own admission and by the FBI's statements. She is guilty of more than one crime.
HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
It's not his fault, he was born "alt-right" you insensitive clod!
He has a genuine allergy to ethics in journalism.
It's been a FELONY for decades to mishandle classified information.
Simply placing classified information into an insecure location is a FELONY and each document counts as a separately-prosecutable violation
Simply transferring classified info from a secure system to an insecure system has been a FELONY for decades.
Both civilians and military personnel have been sent to prison for both offenses.
Just slapping "internet" on a criminal act does not make it un-criminal. Fraud was a crime before the internet came along, and when fraudsters started using the internet to do fraud they did not suddenly get a free pass by saying "I did the fraud by email, so it's a new internet thingy and that makes it not illegal". Likewise, the mishandling of classified info BY ANY MEANS, and without regard to intent, has long been a FELONY and just because Hillary did it with e-mail and a private server she does not suddenly get to claim it is an un-felony.
What we are clearly seeing, in a totally in-your-face way, is the federal government proving that the laws of the US no longer apply equally to the average joe and to the politically-connected. Note: SOME rich do still seem subject to the laws (see: Martha Stewart)
My opinion of her is still the same: Hillary Clinton is still an evil, corrupt, lying, incompetent, power-hungry b*tch, with enough political connections to get out of killing someone if she wants to.
30 years of track record show she will break plenty of laws if in office - just look at all the slime that she did as first lady, and as SecState; the woman is incapable of living within the laws.
Laws are for "little people" in "fly-over country"
Western civilization is dying and this is evidence that the basis of all western legal principles (that EVERYBODY including the King is subject to the rule of law (google: Magna Carta)) is no longer applicable. Young progressives may think all of this extreme lawlessness and disregard for ideas of a bunch of "old dead white guys" is cool because it's helping Hillary and she's a progressive.... but this can all only end VERY BADLY. Through most of human history most human beings have lived under evil tyranny and arbitrary law imposed by unaccountable governments. We are currently watching the very idea of accountable government being destroyed.
Actually when it comes to email security her private server is not known to have ever been hacked, but the State Department email system did get hacked during the same time.
The only legit complaint about her email server is that is violated transparency guidelines. But note that, nobody else is reacting to it in a way that we get to read their emails; The Bush administration used the RNC email server, Colin Power used a private corporate email (which he really thinks is different than a self-hosted one, but only in that it isn't secure), Bill Clinton refused to use email as President, though he was apparently using it privately for non-work stuff. There are lots of Governors around the country who have an aide whose main job is reading and writing emails, and usually not because the Gov. doesn't know how. We don't have everybody else's email, so the actual transparency problem is hard to pin down.
Clearly she didn't follow President Obama's transparency directives any better than anybody else, but we don't have their emails either "for whatever reason." The reality is that almost everybody in politics agrees that if they think the public will read it later, they can't actually do work in that channel, because even if they don't do anything wrong it will feed lots of "gotcha" type nonsense that is all taken out of context.
I've been stopped by the cops over a hundred times, and I've never even paid a parking ticket. I have paid library fines, 50 cents already this year, but that is my only proven misdeed. I guess I'm a master criminal too! Or I just wear clothes the cops don't like, and they aren't any good at their job.
Bleh, if it's something that boring, we've got a dozen examples of using the Clinton Global Initiative / Clinton Foundation money in bogus ways. Here you go. That's only equivalent. Go to /r/wikileaks and start reading the real bad stuff for yourself, don't let CNN think for you (they're lying). Don't get me wrong, though, I don't support anyone doing that. But that's like the least bad stuff we've found in the Podesta & FBI dumps. I hope those deals all get stopped and the lawsuits are won. Oh, and you remember how Colin Powell supported Clinton? Turns out there's a document between him & her describing how to break the email rules. For anyone asking: feel free to throw the book at him for anything you can prove in a court of law. I'd happily rule against any of the shady business deals against any of them were I a juror.
But there's just so much even worse stuff going on. Remember that gunless "assassin"? It was a bird dogging attempt (agian). And an old lady who lives with him died back in 2002, but she's still voting.
Make sure you look into the sources on that. See, we have her address (same as his). We know when she died. We have voting records showing that she's been voting all this time. And we have him mentioned in the Stratfor dumps. Yet another bird dogging attempt and all the links are out there for anyone who wants to look them up. It's easy to see one news item you don't agree with and dump it, but be sure you look at the election records, look up the address, look up the death records.
As for the rate of going through these, we've found that they love to use irrelevant subjects like "congratulations" to send some of the crazy attachments. So while I can totally believe they'd filter out "irrelevant" emails, they'd be led around by the nose if they did so.
True indendant, bullshit, youve been trolling for Trump all along, repeating the same RWNJ lies as fact.
The usual deluded lying nutjobs will line up to repeat their bullshit, Super Kendall, Scentcone, spetry, and king of the outright idiot nutjobs archangel Mike, all irrelevant last century men, desperately grabbing at any lie, cant wait to see the butt hurt coming for them
I seem to recall Petraeus giving the information to his mistress, a journalist? While Hillary used the information (she kinda needed it for her job, after all) she did not give classified information to unauthorized folks. Kinda not the same thing at all.
Also, the Petraeus case involved in some other crap (stalking, harassing, lying to investigators, etc); I suspect that the mishandling classified information charge was a plea-bargain to avoid more stuff.
Interesting: while reading about that case, I see that the investigators knew they had a big case but did not announce anything for a few months because it was too close to the election of 2012. What a difference four years makes.
I've never even heard of RWNJ. I didn't start posting much of anything about the election at all until a few weeks back when I found out about the Zulema stuff and learned the violence was staged. Before that, I bought into the idea that he was dangerous and barely talked about it at all.
And I question if you were even here in 2008, but my Slashdot history is public, go look at my posts on Obama yourself. I didn't vote for McCain, his campaign ended the day he chose Sarah Palin.
and seeing someone get their just deserts. Trump's been inciting violence. It's kinda like if you get bit by a dog I feel bad for you. If you kick a dog and get bit? Not so much.
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He sees the writing on the wall. Once Hillary is President Congress does not matter anymore. She will rule by executive order from the White House. Coomy is trying to save his ass and make sure he does not end up in prison. He is a corrupt deluded idiot because there is no way he can save him self.
Because on Jan 20th 2017 the corrupt criminal Clinton cabal will be running America.
Throw Cunt Hillary in prison!
lots and lots of dupes. That plus it's not hard to filter out 90% of the email from the spam folder. The public doesn't have a burning need to know the ratio of penis enlargement spam to viagra spam in Secretary Clinton's inbox (though certain members of /. might).
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there has to be evidence she is a witch, paging Ken Starr
Be honest, neither of these asshats has any business being within a mile of the white house. There's enough dirt on both to toss them both into jail for a very long time.
Of course there's voter fraud. Not at the voter level, but much higher. DWS pressed her thumb on the scale as hard as she could to ensure HRC won the primary. Knowing both candidates had an over 50% disapproval rating the powers that be didn't allow any 3rd party candidates into the debates.
Our system has been completely corrupted and I don't see any good way out of it.
To paraphrase Jonah Goldberg, after this election my therapist will ask, "Please show me on this doll where the 2016 election touched you inappropriately."
FEC Extends Election By 7 Months To Give Nation Chance To Better Get To Know Candidates
just admitted he was wrong?
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as this.
Attacks on US embassies are surprisingly common, as are deaths resulting from them.
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Have you ever been pulled over for speeding, and the cop lets you off with a warning? Doesn't mean you weren't speeding. You know you were, the cop knows you were, the person you just passed knows you were.
And if you're the mayor of the town or other bigshot, you are even more likely to be let off with a warning, rather than getting a ticket.
Clinton got let off. Doesn't mean she didn't do it.
Doesn't matter, though. This election was decided years ago.
This is something I like to ask self proclaimed conservatives. Hilary is the most conservative candidate out there by the actual definition of the word. She's going to do a fine job maintaining the status quo. A few tax cuts here, a few tax raises here, but nothing substantial. She's your classic nixonite pro-corporate politician. A little corrupt but nothing out of the ordinary.
Trump's the radical one here. Same with Johnson & Stein. You can be a radical regressive and support Trump. Maybe even Johnson (Stein's another kettle of fish entirely). But you can't vote Trump and really be conservative, can you?
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The fact that the Clintons are always 1 foot away from going to jail after all these scandals going back decades proves that they're completely honest, upright people.
How many more scandals do you think they'll somehow narrowly escape consequences for during the next 4 years? I'm going to guess 17 new scandals -- one new scandal every few months.
RWNJ stands for Right Wing Nut Job, and is a left wing smear against anyone who questions the glorious leftist narrative.
Incidentally, due in large part to the growing ubiquity of leftist views in America, a sort of Left Wing Nut Job archetype has been taking shape. These are your basic "Trump is a Russian plant", "Biological sex is a myth", or "Hillary is the victim of a vast right wing conspiracy" type of people.
Really, the alt-right and progressives (AKA alt-left) are essentially the same sorts of people but with different ideological backgrounds. They both clamor for utopian fantasies, berate detractors with hateful insults and rhetoric, and generally wrap themselves up in worldviews that assume everyone on the other side is some combination of evil, stupid, or insane.
Both sides are incredibly toxic and are, in my opinion, regrettable side effects of the rise of internet culture and the ease with which it allows the creation of unassailable safe-space echo chambers where circlejerks and groupthink are the entire point.
Bitch... Hillary
Seriously, she needs to Vince Foster herself.
I wish this would end here but the fine print of Comey's statement refers only to the mishandling of classified material, not the other violations the Clintons are facing. The pay for play isn't likely to go away so easily.
Obama could simply pardon her, even before the trial. Ford did it for Nixon. It may cost her the election.
Chewbacon
The Bible is like Wikipedia: written by a bunch of people and verifiable by questionable sources.
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/where-does-clinton-foundation-money-go/
"Considering all of the organizations affiliated with the Clinton Foundation, he said, CharityWatch concluded about 89 percent of its budget is spent on programs. That’s the amount it spent on charity in 2013, he said.
We looked at the consolidated financial statements (see page 4) and calculated that in 2013, 88.3 percent of spending was designated as going toward program services — $196.6 million out of $222.6 million in reported expenses.
We can’t vouch for the effectiveness of the programming expenses listed in the report, but it is clear that the claim that the Clinton Foundation only steers 6 percent of its donations to charity is wrong, and amounts to a misunderstanding of how public charities work.
— Robert Farley"
How many more scandals do you think they'll somehow narrowly escape consequences for during the next 4 years? I'm going to guess 17 new scandals -- one new scandal every few months.
Let's try to guess what they'll be.
* Something related to voter fraud
* Documents revealing that she doesn't really carry hot sauce in her purse
* Murder
* Pant-suit gate
Yeah, I hear you. I have a lot of respect for the people who actually argue their positions based on facts. I'm certainly not perfect myself and I've had people prove me wrong about a few things.
The problem is that fear wins elections so everyone has too much of an interest in stirring that up. It doesn't help when there are real occasions for fear, either. I really wish we could get people to relax a bit and calmly discuss things, but the hate gets dialed up to 11 real fast. The paid trolls aren't helping matters either.
I disagree with a lot of his policies, but at the same time, I recognize that the "monster" people see him as is in fact a deliberate creation of media colluding with the DNC.
However you want to couch your politics, fine, it's subjective. But the quoted statement stretches credulity. The "monster" people see Trump as is the deliberate creation of Donald J. Trump. It's not like his dishonesty, vulgarity, and demagoguery have been taken out of context from a few private, unguarded moments here or there. This isn't an unfair "gotcha", it's an avowed part of his campaign (and, really, life) strategy. The "monster" is on purpose and he revels in the "monstrosity" of it as crowds of supporters eat it up.
Now, whether he is actually an unhinged plutofascist demagogue, or is just putting on a convenient persona to appeal to a neglected "fuck-PC-and-immigrants" segment of the electorate, is apparently an exercise left up to the voter. But pinning the Trumpness of Donald Trump on the DNC or MSM is like arguing Bernie is only a "socialist" because Sean Hannity says so.
You don't want to commit suicide... or kill your family then commit suicide when the Clinton mafia targets you. It's best just to throw your best tiger roar and then cower in a cave until any threat moves on.
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Nobody "put away" Petreaeus. He got 2 years probation and a $100K fine. That's basically nothing at all and his crimes were far worse than anything Clinton did. Willful and deliberately handing over TS material to his mistress. He's just lucky she wasn't a foreign agents because that's a classic espionage play. Even the worst unsupported accusations against clinton don't have her giving away classified information for her own gain.
- Quid pro quo for Obama pardons for her friends.
- Interference in the investigation of the Clinton Foundation
- Abuse of power using regulatory agencies to punish her political enemies
- Selling favors while she was Secretary of State
- Selling access to the White House
- Destroying documents and having officials lie to congress
So the US falls from the Greatest Republic the World has ever known, to a lawless Banana Republic. Amazing to see.
What is even more amazing is that people think the Big State authoritarianism that inevitably follows in a Banana Republic is somehow "liberal" in the sense that people get to do as they please even if the political 'elites' don't like it.
Classic Liberalism has Diversity of Opinion. Modern "Liberalism" does not. Best not to confuse the two.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the connection to ISIL???
The Clinton foundation accepted donations from Qatar and tried to hide it, and according to wikileaks, the government of Qatar is funding ISIL. Since it was in her leaked emails, she obviously knew about it.
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From https://wikileaks.org/podesta-...:
we need to use our diplomatic and more traditional intelligence assets to bring pressure on the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL and other radical Sunni groups in the region.
Actually when it comes to email security her private server is not known to have ever been hacked, but the State Department email system did get hacked during the same time.
Hacked servers are generally not advertised, especially high value targets. According to the FBI there are fingerprints on the server from at least 5 different foreign agencies. That does not "prove" she was hacked but it would be safe to assume she was. She was running MS Exchange on the Public Internet for pity sake, and if you know anything about Email you know that it's not used as an internet facing server because it's so easy to exploit. Which is why every single company I have ever seen or worked at runs a Gateway (Sendmail/Postfix/etc..) service outside and Exchange inside (if they run Exchange at all).
The only way most companies know they have been hacked is because hackers start sending spam or running a DDOS service. This is IT Security 101 stuff here, so you are quite a ways behind on homework.
Clearly she didn't follow President Obama's transparency directives any better than anybody else
NOT SO FAST! President Obama does not have special regulations on document handling. These are US Government Codes (laws). "better than anyone else" should have stated "illegally like nobody else did". You stand up all kinds of strawman arguments as a defense, but she is the only person to have ever setup a private server for Government use despite being told numerous times she could not. On the record from the FBI there are at least a dozen warnings about this, including 2 people working at the State Department told to ~Never mention the private server again~.
In your hundreds of times being stopped by the cops were you carrying classified documents in violation of law? Well your personal anecdote is useless because, because you know that is not the case.
FWIW, I am an Army Vet, DOD contractor, and currently hold a clearance for my job. Special access programs require you to read and take an oath which covers the law. You sign the agreement which generally includes statements regarding "Violation is subject to penalty under USC up to, and including Treason." I have seen people arrested for violating law, and most of those arrests were for careless handling of data. You are Court Martial-ed in the Military and at a minimum dishonorably discharged for violations. Civilian side varies, but you don't keep your clearance or your job if you violate USC.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
That is what Weiner calls "Flexing his muscle" you insensitive clod!
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Sooner later Russia is going to have to be put into its place. The longer the West keeps stalling the harder it will be.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Only ignorant irrational born idiots use Guardian as a reliable source, especially about Russia. Remember how they put Putin's picture all over so called Panama papers leak, even though he was not mentioned once in those papers(while other names starting with Cameroon were) . Contrast that with their almost non existent coverage of actual content of new Wikileaks from Clinton campaign, except to say, without proof, they are hacked by Russia.
> Sooner later Russia is going to have to be put into its place.
Yeesh, racist much?
Pray tell, why do you want to fight a useless war with Russia over Syria so badly? To help Saudi Arabia and Qatar build an oil pipeline?
If there is one, I hope you volunteer to deploy and put some skin in the game instead of sending poor people out to die for oil (again).
To put things in context the above poster is the "pentagon plane crash was faked" guy who also said he knew another building was demolished and not burned "because he's an engineer". Apparently writing software without a university level qualification teaches you metallurgy (he thinks steel doesn't soften until it melts) the second the HR chick decides you've put in enough years to be called engineer.
So to put things in context the poster above is a serial nutcase seeing conspiracies everywhere and prepared to lie to back up his fantasies.
Who said she was uncleared? Using your fancy military terms may fool the civilians, but the janitors, handymen, and almost every body else carries a clearance where I've worked. There is no reason to believe that her maid, her cooks, and her gardeners would not have had some kind of clearance.
Given what was happening at the time it proves the latter.
Sadly it proves that the FBI was not up to the job (most likely paid to look the other way) and the Capone did not successfully bribe the IRS (maybe he didn't even try).
Hoover was scum. The FBI still uses the voodoo magic of lie detectors due to Hoover being the sort of corrupt scum who would take kickbacks and then approve purchases. Even today they do not want to admit that they have been scammed.
Yes it's a bit offtopic but the myth of Capone being a master criminal wiping everything squeaky clean so that even the mighty G-Men on the FBI could not touch him is a stupid myth to propagate, but it's still spreading.
It's just Petry running his ignorant mouth again. He didn't always used to be this way. Years ago, he was conservative but not rabidly so. But maybe a year ago he just snapped and now he won't shut the fuck up about the evil government fucking him over. I'm guessing his old lady finally got tired of his know-it-all attitude which is consistently wrong and divorced his ass. Cleaned him out cause the courts saw just what a nervous wreck ol Scott there became and sent the kids, the cars, and a retraining order off to somewhere that schizo wouldn't fuck with them anymore. There is a whole clan of those Petrys where I live and they are useless as tits on a hog. One branch can't stop taking that fucked up "brainy" side of their family and trying to go Breaking Bad. Instead they go Big Balls of Fire and routinely sing the Jailhouse Rock. The other side is relatively successful job-wise but anything outside there is in complete shambles because their brainy transformed into full blown Assburger's douchetasticness. Their bratty spoiled kids hate them, their gold digging wives left them years ago, and if they did not need the approval of work so damned much, they might actually have a decent life. They never get it though and just trod through the workplace being a dickhead know-it-all who is constantly wrong but just useful enough to not get fired. So it's his turn for the Engineer Petry Family Meltdown. FSM Help Us!
Going crazy about Hillary isn't going to bring your wife, your kids, or you stuff back.
Just about all of our "friends" in the middle east are funding ISIL/Daash. Even the Bush family has financial connections one place removed like that, and there is nothing wrong with that. Only a couple of years ago some Republicans were calling for direct support of what turned out to be ISIL/Daash because they were fighting against Assad. It is a mess. Even Turkey is in the mix. Saudi Arabia is deeply involved. If you didn't already know about what you have quoted then you haven't been paying much attention. That "governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL" was headline news a few years ago. Clinton (or any Republican in a clue who would have been in the same position) made some effort to try to stop that. It's an action that both parties would done.
I'm still amazed about the email fuss when it looks like Hillary was on the take from Pfizer - how about trying to find a real scandal like that one?
The thing that has had me laughing so much is all those posts about how Hillary is a liar, but Trump, who is a fucking con-artist from way back who couldn't lie straight in bed, is somehow above such a label.
You want a fucking trust fund baby who treats everything in life as a game running the country?
Better start playing Fallout for a bit of practice.
Or start learning Mandarin so you can do phone support for the country that's going to step in to take the role of the leading world economy while Trump and Congress are deadlocked.
A bit of the current mess is due to Russia thinking it was "put into its place" when Kosovo was bombed without asking them first. A lot of nationalism and dreams of the old empire were stirred up since with that as a rallying point.
The true irony here is Putin has been telling people since he got into politics that he is going to make Russia great again.
Considering that Trump's campaign at the time the "great again" slogan came out was run by a guy who was in charge of doing PR work for Russian separatists in Ukraine (whoops!) maybe it's not so ironic but a direct lift.
It is probably already too hard, we've already put it into it's place and it had the opposite effect we wanted. The shit about getting Ukraine into NATO was insane and provoked expansion.
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Agreed. Being proven wrong is a gift. From then on you are right.
YOu either discard both his statement or take both his statement to heart. Choosing and picking which one you want to hear, is partisan politic at its worst : it means you are paying attention to only what fit your worldview/echo chamber and discard what rocks your boat. Note that it works both way : those who wanted to ignore comey last week and take him seriously today (probably pro Hilary) are as guilty as those who wanted to take comey seriously last week and not seriously today (probably pro trump).
Anyway, if you are taking comey seriously all the way, or discarding him all the way , the same conclusion come : the email re-review is not relevant.
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Completely agree. Although, Trump saying mean thjngs doesnt bother me. Grow up kids.
Having followed most of the oversight committee hearings about Hillary's email scandal, these are my thoughts about the issue:
Some people seem to make the point that the FBI has the power of discretion of whether or not to prosecute. Sounds nice, but it only really means that FBI simply choses to prosecute or not. Unless you agree to FBI adhering to the standards of a banana republic, you won't accept the notion that the FBI director can simply decide to not to prosecute, as if he personally thought it was best that way. I'd argue that anyone that found this type of apology acceptable, is doing everyone a disservice (except for Hillary Clinton and whoever risked being prosecuted ofc).
In one of the hearings, FBI's acting director of congressional affairs was asked if it was against the law to move classified documents from a secure location over to a non-secure location. The FBI said no. This in itself seem to be a very big thing, which imo seem to indicate that FBI might be corrupt, or perhaps doing secret dealing with the government to arrive at a preferable outcome in their investigations.
In the hearings, FBI apparently gave immunity deals to at least five people, with the FBI apparently showing no intent of wanting investigate further into the mess where FBI director Comey later pointed out that Hillary Clinton behaviour had been extremely reckless. FBI is actually apparently to be ignoring the behavior of everyone involved in Hillary's email scandal. It is as if FBI just want to get it all over with, without embarrassing anyone politically, least of all wanting to investigate anyone for prosecution.
Despite there apparently being evident, that wrong doing had been going on by both Hillary Clinton, and the people that handled her email server, and the company that deleted Hillary's emails, even though those emails has been officially protected. There is iirc also indications that the state department tried to coerce FBI to change the classifications on some of the emails, as if wanting to bribe the FBI.
All the democrats in the oversight committee seem to want to be ignorant of the situation which would warrant reasonable suspicion about the investigation into this email scandal, yet their behavior seem to default to patting Comey on the back, while expressly ridiculing the committee's own interest (the republicans) in the scandal.
According to congressman Chaffetz, the oversight committee *still* today has not received all the 302's (interview summaries) that they requested from the FBI.
In addition to all of this, there is probably a thing or two of importance that I am missing here.
She put classified information on an unclassified network. By definition that means the information was released to individuals not authorized to receive it. Petreus on the other hand gave his notes to his biographer/mistress to be used as references for writing his biography. The biographer/mistress is and was an officer in the military with clearance sufficient to access the notes but not an established need to know to have the access. The information never left control of cleared individuals. The only crime (which was a crime) is that while she had the clearance she did not have the need-to-know and thus it was a crime.
Hillary on the other hand put hundreds of classified emails onto an unsecure server on the internet, we don't know that it was hacked but it most likely was. That means her negligence (at best, I'd call in intentional) resulted in release of that info outside of US government control.
Her crime is far greater than Petraus's. That he was sleeping with his biographer, makes the story sordid, it does not change the limited scope and severity of the crime one bit.
This was predictable. Of course the damage is already done. Like a judge telling the jury to disregard what was just said, as if....
Nothing to see here move along.
I watched the vote on CSpan, where both the Republicans and Tea Party vote down increased security for the overseas Embassies (the other thing she gets blamed for), what I do not get is why Clinton is not pointing that vote out whenever the Bengazzi (sp?) situation is raised.
For the record I am an 'other', I can only vote for who the two parties put in front of me and yes it sucks.
For instance I cannot understand why Bush II, did not point out that gas bombs are also weapons of mass destruction. Why did he allow that only nukes are WMDs...pathetic fail.
Both sides must have much to hide not to point out that to the other side.
From a third party perspective, it appears that the Tea Party and the Republicans are 99% bought and paid for while the Democrats are 60% - 80% bought and paid for.
From a strictly capitalist prospective, I want my employees to have their health (single payer), a roof over their head (enough money for home ownership), food in their belly (key to health and good workers IMO) and enough money left over after car payments, auto insurance, health insurance to participate in the economy. Until the supply side is fixed, no amount of anything else will accomplish anything.
We have been working with trickle down economics since Reagan, it has not worked, it does not work, it will not work....yet one side insanely believes that it will work for them. Sorry, its been over 30 years...you fail! Do us all a favor and resign if you can not come together to make our lives better.
Unbridled capitalism can only lead to Fascism. Cronie Capitalism is worse than socialism, thus the rise of Bernie Sanders. A natural progression after Progressive economics.
Until business is out of politics, things like Citizen United vs FEC will be allowed to occur. Organizations like ALEC will put out legislation for their various benefactors (usually Republican and Tea Party) who will submit it, in identical form in multiple states at the same time...cronie capitalism at its worse...definitely highlights who is bought and paid for.
And the cost of healthcare blame is on both parties as their were an even number of Republican and Democratic representatives and senators on the committee that allowed special interests to drive holes through any regulation that would have forced them to hold down costs....and they must be forced or they will be like the Cable companies and raise prices forever.
The two Hedge funders that bought drug companies and exponentially raised prices of the drugs they produce are perfect examples of this. As if anyone needs proof of cronie capitalism.
Just look for anything that is critical to an industry, say robotics for manufacturing and the hedge fund 1%ers are doing the same thing there they are doing in pharmaceuticals.
Has the cost of living (wages and raises) kept pace with the price of everthing you have to have to enable you to get a decent to good paying job? Food prices? Gas Prices? Car prices? Auto Insurance prices? Health care prices? The reality is obvious.
Remember there are two sides, often more sides to every situation. The perspective from one person is just as true as your perspective givne their time and place. Get your ego out of your own way. If more of us did this, things would begin to change for the better.
Good luck to us all, the egos are pulling the strings and we are all less for it.
When 2 businessmen (Koch brothers) can give $2 Billion for one election and profit from their donation, we have got problems.
The biggest social welfare programs in this country is the 9%, and espeically the1%. Hint to Tea party supporters, they will NOT let you join them, they will use ALEC to pass legislation in your state to put up roadblocks to your family's success...WAKE UP.
Stop holding Reagan
Arguments occur all the time about the appropriate classification of a document, usually an email.
Trump has been bankrupt four times, cheated on at least two wives, is a self confessed sexual abuser, bullies sub contractors to avoid paying them their due and refuses to accept the principles of democracy. Throughout this campaign he has shown himself as lacking the stature and intellect required to president.
Clinton has had lots of accusations thrown at her, non of which have stuck. Trump is by far the worse of the two of them. You'd have to be a fucking moron to vote for Trump.
All I want is a secure system where it's easy to do anything I want. Is that too much to ask ~~ Randall Munroe
More "Confidential" material on another unsecured device does not mean ANYONE in the "justice" dept would want to take on Hillary.
If you or I had one of those on one of our machines, we would be in jail.
The rules don't apply to Hillary or Huma.
How much will the Arabs give to the Clintons and then get in American concessions?
"I've been stopped by the cops over a hundred times".
Are you a really bad driver or just black?
You run a diff between the emails you already have, and the new ones. Only the ones that are different have to be examined by hand.
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OK, so 650k e-mails on _Weiner's_ computer. Even if we're conservative, probably less than 10% belong to his wife. The FBI already has tons of e-mails from Hillary from the previous investigation, so the only thing they needed to investigate were e-mails that hey hadn't seen before. Such a list can be compiled using forensics software, so there's no need to waste any time actually reading them. After that my guess is that you're down to maybe a thousand e-mails. Since most office e-mails tends to be about scheduling meetings etc., chances are that most of these have absolutely no relevant content and can be ruled out in seconds by an agent. In other words, with any amount of manpower devoted to this, it would be trivial to resolve matters within 9 days unless some e-mail contained content that required a large multiagency investigation.
Merely the ones pertaining to her private email server and the classified data that ran across it.
The investigation into the Clinton Foundation is most likely what will sink that ship. That will conclude after the election and, if they're smart, if and after she takes office so Obama can't hand her a pardon.
you do realize Bill isn't running, right?
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
also, nice list of manufactured or non-existant scandals where nothing was ever proven.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
and yet you still missed how ultimately nothing was ever proven in any of them
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
You missed this one: https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/...
How obtuse are you? Please spend a few hours reading some of the Wikileaks releases. Washington Post, CNN, Politico, CBS, ABC all working with the DNC and Clinton camp. They gave her debate questions, they asked what questions they should be asking her opponents, they sent stories they were going to publish to get the okay first. It's a massive propaganda machine and you're eating it all up and believing it. And you come on here and tell others they're ignorant?
you honestly trying to tell me Bill won't be back in the White House or won't have any tasks assigned to him at all?
TLDR.
Are you gonna cry when orange hitler loses?
Stop lying. It is completely prosecutable. There are at least 20 people sitting in the military prison at Ft. Leavenworth for exactly the crimes that Hilary committed.
Stop it, just stop lying.
Wow, you sound so intelligent, what with nasty insults flying left and right, personal attacks on the poster, and obvious obliviousness to Hillary's extreme corruption and general ignorance of the way internal politics works. You're probably the same type who thinks Bush and Cheney should be jailed for war crimes. Well, you'd have to admit they're totally innocent too then.
Comey has in fact said there was evidence of criminal wrongdoing, he just said no prosecutor would likely pursue it.
Go away, shill.
Wow history in the making! This election will be one to remember...
David Petraeus allowed his mistress/biographer to handle classified material and HE ended up in the criminal justice system. He ultimately took a deal for 2 years probation and a $100,000 fine. ... wait for it ... Bill Clinton.
Former CIA director John Deutch was also investigated simply for having classified documents on a home computer which his family could access. He was investigated and charged, but then he got pardoned by
A low level navy guy named Brian Nishimura got busted for having classified material on his personal devices, paid a fine and lost his security clearance.
Yet Clinton doesn't get so much as a slap on the wrist for running an unsecured personal e-mail server for classified messages? What bullshit.
Fuck the feds. A government that doesn't apply the rule of law in a uniform manner has no legitimacy. If bankers, politicians and other elites don't have to obey federal laws, nobody else should. If I ever get onto a federal jury, I'm voting "Not Guilty", even if it's someone like the Unabomber or the Tsarnaev brothers. If the person is a murderer, the state courts can administer justice.
Right. Comey never said there was no evidence of a crime, he said that "No reasonable prosecutor would bring charges". Obviously, any reasonable prosecutor would know that going up against the Clintons means your life could be ruined, or perhaps terminated, and would therefore make the reasonable decision to not bring charges.
It is even MORE scary to think that Clinton did not know the information she was dealing with was Classified. As Head of an Agency, she should be intimately familiar with guildlines and requirements to classify something and what types of info is classified, including schedules of travel of high officials. To think she thought she could perform as Head of an Agency and NOT without classified information is just insane!
Wrong. The State Dept. did not summarily forbid such; it's why Colin Powell used AOL. She apparently violated the State Dept. policy for using such a service, but violating dept. policy is not by itself a criminal act related to classified info. Even if she got the proper sign-off, it wouldn't change anything security-wise. Thus, not getting the proper sign off did not contribute to an identifiable security risk. (It may solve other problems, but that's not the sub-topic here.)
If you want to argue that such is "obviously more risky" than using the regular NON-classified dept. email server, be my guest, but that's murky and full of tech minutia. Further, Colin suggested to her that Dept. equipment is unreliable, giving her reasonable justification to avoid it.
Now perhaps it can be argued it's poor judgement, but it's NOT blatantly poor; It's nuanced poor. The Dept. email server WAS hacked, so we do have direct evidence it wasn't reliable. Colin turned out to be right.
Nowhere did she clearly violate a secrecy law. If you claim otherwise, I invite you to make a written case for it as if you were to present such an argument to a jury...
Table-ized A.I.
You are correct of course. Her enemies are so powerful that no matter what she tries, she would be fucked if she had actually done anything illegal. I will rest well tonight knowing that she is safe from all of those big bullies who are trying to so hard to make her life miserable. The fact that none of them have taken down one of the most powerful women in the world is surely proof that she is innocent.
"Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
No, it's a left wing description of the sort of frothing maniac such as glen beck or oreilley or indeed trump himself, who are right wing and nutjobs. The etymology is quite clear.
A draft dodger tax dodger and child molester is better that Clinton.
If you are a crack head I guess.
Fox News Murdoch can twist in the wind.
and yet she gets a free pass for things we're putting the likes of General Petraeus away for.
Petraeus has been doing analysis for ABC News, and I don't see him wearing a prison jumpsuit.
The fact that the Clintons are always 1 foot away from going to jail after all these scandals going back decades proves that they're completely honest, upright people.
I think it shows that when they have a line that they're not supposed to cross, they straddle it as best they can, getting away with violating the spirit of the law without necessarily violating the letter. It's why even those who don't think they've committed crimes think the Clintons show poor judgment, that they get away with exactly what they can get away with.
FBI Agent Suspected in Hillary Email Leaks Found Dead in Apparent Murder-Suicide http://denverguardian.com/2016/11/05/fbi-agent-suspected-hillary-email-leaks-found-dead-apparent-murder-suicide/ that is the way most of Clinton's killings are done arkancide.com ..
see on utube: "NYPD Officers Threaten To Go Public If FBI Don't Indict Clinton" {were they the ones shot dead early last week?
Comey folded the day after they murdered his co-worker. who do u know that is in the cult called cabal? J-Z and Lady Gaga and Podesta and
read their own emails leaked by our own NSA! NOT RUSSIA! watch the hawks! Kissenger, Albright, Hitlary, are grinning just like before 911
THESE ARE DEMONS-DESTRUCTION IS THEIR AIM
Bill wasn't disbarred?
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
RWNJ stands for Right Wing Nut Job, and is a left wing smear against anyone who questions the glorious leftist narrative.
Actually, I reserve the term for people who use phrases like, "...glorious leftist narrative."
But we're still not going to prosecute.
The new reality: anything you put in an email can one day become news.
I prefer privacy.
There is only one Strong Bad Email.
#58, source of more sore throats than any other know forms of Internet media. And that's before the thatched roofed cottages.
All Snowden pointed out is that you can easily check 650000 emails for duplicates; you can. But that's not the point.
Whether duplicate or not, what the new FBI probe suggests is that there were numerous classified emails sent from Clinton on yet another laptop outside Clinton's control. This is a laptop about which Human Abedin says that she didn't use it and she has no idea about how the classified emails ended up on there.
Even if you want to talk about just a review of "new" emails, the FBI has indicated that there were, in fact, new classified emails among those they found. They have refused to say how many; the logical conclusion is that if they had released the actual number, it would have looked bad for Clinton and/or their ability to review them in such a short time.
In addition, they have retreated from "did she mail classified materials" (which is a certainty at this point) to "did she intend to mail classified materials; If Hillary had been treated like other government officials, she should have been charged simply because she emailed classified materials, regardless of her intent.
At this point, it's been clearly established that Hillary used a private email server, that she used it for classified materials, that she accessed it from multiple and unsecured devices, that she lied about it repeatedly, and later lied about what the FBI found. Whether she is charged by Obama's FBI or not is irrelevant; legally, simply being the SoS might have given her the legal freedom to ignore regulations, but that doesn't make it right. It's our job as voters to judge high government officials at the ballot box. Hillary Clinton's conduct was reckless and irresponsible for a high government official. How those facts affect whether you want to vote for her or not you have to decide for yourself.
Trump fans use the Gaurdian as a reference then, got it.
Defending your awful candidate for president by saying awful true things about the other statutory duopoly candidate is a wondrous thing.
Keep up the good work.
P.S. Saying awful false things is almost as good, and is in some ways better, if you get caught doing it.
There's no time like the present. Well, the past used to be.
is that the word has been co-oped by extremely radical folks who don't want you to think of them as Radical. Guys like John Kasich who'd do sweeping changes to our laws and even our political structures given the chance but who talk up a game like they're moderates in favor of limited change. Those guys scare the pants off me because they can sneak into power and do awful things without anyone realizing what they are.
Call a spade a spade.
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