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wjcofkc writes: The last time I was a serious gamer, I was playing Quake and Quake World. That type of first person shooter, with the qualities it offered in terms of physics, level layout, and community, produced for me some very fun times. I have long since fallen away from gaming entirely, but frequently look back to that era with great fondness. My question to the community is, are there any current games that recapture the spirit of the original Quake? Note: This is strictly for PC gaming as I do not own a console.

313 comments

  1. Nothing by Spy+Handler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You'll never have that kind of fun again playing computer games, because you're not 19 anymore.

    I know because I went ahead and played the games I played when I was young, and it's just not as fun anymore. Games haven't changed, I have.

    1. Re: Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are two games I can think of, the first is KSP and the second one is factorio. Nothing like quake indeed but when you're around 40 it's quite entertaining.

    2. Re:Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMG came here to post this, first post steals the show.

    3. Re:Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not my experience. I've been playing Total Annihilation RTS lately with my son who is now old enough. He loves it, it's a blast. Same with EverQuest. Those were the days! Also Minecraft. Feels old school and since it's Java it makes my PC feel old too. :(

    4. Re:Nothing by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Games haven't changed, I have.

      They haven't? Some people hold the opinion that The Elder Scrolls, for example, have been dumbified quite a lot recently.

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    5. Re:Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah he shouldn't bother trying to have fun with things he enjoyed before, it didn't work for you anymore so why would anyone else bother?

      In actual response to the question : Doom 2016 or Quake Champions

    6. Re:Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'll never have that kind of fun again playing computer games, because you're not 19 anymore.

      I know because I went ahead and played the games I played when I was young, and it's just not as fun anymore. Games haven't changed, I have.

      I share the same thought, thanks for making me feel better about it.

    7. Re:Nothing by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      and it's just not as fun anymore

      The fun is still there, just the expectation is different. This is one of the main reasons for the roaring success of Doom. All the fun of the original fast action packed arcade but with modern graphics that meet the expectations.

      I'm currently playing Puyo Puyo Tetris on the Switch. Though I wouldn't actually play the original Tetris in DOS anymore because frankly it would hurt my eyes.

    8. Re:Nothing by Bigbutt · · Score: 3, Informative

      It depends. I"ve picked up the original Doom series, Half-Life 2, Carmagedden, and Starcraft Remastered and still have a good time with them. I've picked up the newer versions of these games like Doom, Wolfenstein, and Starcraft II and even other games like Left4Dead, Fallout, and Bioshock and just don't find them as mindlessly fun. Even jumping across from tower to tower in Doom still gives me a thrill. :)

      Hell, Steam is having a sale again. Quake, Quake II, Quake III Arena, and Quake III: Team Arena are up for $1.24 or $3.24 each. Shoot, for $6.24, you can get Quake, Quake II, Quake II Mission Pack: Ground Zero, Quake II Mission Pack: The Reckoning, Quake III Arena, Quake III: Team Arena, Quake Mission Pack I: Scourge of Armagon, Quake Mission Pack 2: Dissolution of Eternity. (I know what I'm getting right now :D ).

      Why not keep playing what you like? :)

      [John]

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    9. Re:Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > You'll never have that kind of fun again playing computer games, because you're not 19 anymore.

      I can relate to that, having learned it from experience -- and a bitter one at that, to suddenly learn that your old backyard was so small, when in your memory it was huge; that Colossal Cave, so intriguing once, but now just writing words doesn't have the same appeal... and so on.

      But I have returned now and then, and there's a pleasure in finding games which mimic the excellent Quake experience.

      I am actually a good reference for such games, because I suffer a lot of "motion sickness" with some games (like e.g. Doom / Heretic /Hexen).

      Besides Quake 1, I'd recommend Nexuiz (and possibly the Xonotic variant, which I haven't played).

      A good part of the joy derives from team play, where one learns new tricks and can team up with friends (though arguably old guys won't be able to talk to young dudes so well).

      You can also try new challenges like playing against the machine at a very high level until you get good enough to win at the highest setting (which can be done because several weapons allow creative use and bots have limited foresight -- at least in Nexuiz, we may be not so lucky in future real life bot wars...).

    10. Re:Nothing by Bigbutt · · Score: 2

      Hah. A Bethesda Softworks Classics Superbundle has that plus the original Wolfenstein 3D, Heretic, and quite a few others I recognize :) Big snag and lots of "wasted time" this weekend :)

      [John]

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    11. Re:Nothing by mea_culpa · · Score: 1

      I think it's more than that. I was 24 at the time and the excitement for me was always the newness of it not so much the actual game. Quake was pretty groundbreaking. So much so that even Cox Communications had dedicated Quake servers back when cable modems weighed 10 lbs and had actual heatsink fins coming out of the top. There was another startup called TEN (Total Entertainment Network) that created a IPX to TCP/IP plugin for Duke Nukem 3D. There never was anything more fun video game wise for me.

      I used to wake up a couple hours before work just to be a LPB and it was glorious. Always something to look forward to in the morning.

      The reality of it was that we were all nerds. The masses were still using AOL. When they arrived and their money entered the mix we didn't matter anymore. The stuff that was fun for us wasn't necessarily fun for them. The talent followed the money and were where we are now.

      There really isn't anything new today on the PC that is nearly as exciting as it was back then, PC's haven't really changed much. They just got faster and that's about all. From 1990 to about 2000 there were major advances that were truly exciting. Everything since then has been incremental. The smartphone being the only exception to this.

    12. Re:Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup. And that's the only thing that makes those games playable.

      I tried going back and playing Oblivion recently. The game mechanics are a complete turd compared to Skyrim.

    13. Re:Nothing by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 5, Interesting

      > Games haven't changed, I have.

      Yes they HAVE changed -- often times for the worse. FPS Map Design 1993 vs 2010

      Modern games are full of bullshit:

      * unskippable cut-scenes
      * MTX (micro-transaction) because the game devs don't respect your Time, Space, nor Wallet.
      * Season Pass
      * bullshit DLC (DownLoadable Content)
      * QTE (Quick-Time Events) You remember Dragon's Lair ? Yup, that's what modern "AAA" gaming has devolved into.
      * Grindfests aka Skinner boxes
      * Flat UI that you can't fucking tell what are UI elements you can interact with vs static elements.
      * Multiplayer games that don't allow you to run your own server -- typical EA bullshit.

      When the "gaming industry" refers to its customers as "whales" you know they don't give a fuck about you -- only how long they can keep "milking" you. If you wat to know the general state of the "industry" Jim Sterling excellent Jimquisition pretty much sucks up the fuckery that publishers and devs try to pull.

      With that said I'm a professional game developer and have over 500+ games in my Steam Library. This is my "best of the best" of modern games are in alphabetical order (I've included the "genre" in parenthesis):

      * Borderlands 1 and 2 (FPS)
      * Dishonored 1 and 2 (FPS)
      * Doom (2017) (FPS)
      * Elite: Dangerous (Space)
      * Inside (Adventure)
      * Left for Dead (1 not 2) (FPS)
      * Limbo (Adventure)
      * Luftrausers (2D shmup)
      * Minecraft (3D Survival)
      * Path of Exile (RPG)
      * Portal 1 and 2 (Puzzle)
      * Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas 1 and 2
      * Serious Sam 1, 2, and 3 (FPS)
      * Terraria (2D Survival)
      * Team Fortress 2 (FPS)
      * The Stanley Parable (Story)
      * The Talos Principle (FPS)
      * The Vanishing of Ethan Carter (Puzzle)
      * The Witness (Puzzle)
      * Torchlight 1 and 2 (RPG)

      Stay away from grind-shift-fests like:

      * Defiance
      * Destiny
      * Diablo 3
      * Evolve
      * Fashionframe, er, Warframe

      There are still some good games out there -- but about 95% of them are shit. i.e. Any game that has non-cosmetic MTX is crap.

    14. Re:Nothing by skam240 · · Score: 1

      I disagree with "often for the worst". I can't even play a lot of older games I used to love because the old UI's were so clunky and/or terrible. That alone puts modern games well ahead of older ones in my mind.

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    15. Re:Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Modern games aren't as good as older games. New games hold your hand and lack challenge and fun.

      This video demonstrates the difference between now and then well.

    16. Re:Nothing by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      Some things have improved. Fights seem much better in Skyrim. But lots of nice stuff was removed, like richer dialogs or the very ability of the hero to influence the world substantially.

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    17. Re:Nothing by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Of course there are exceptions.

      For example, the beautiful:

      * Limbo,
      * Inside, and
      * The Vanishing of Ethan Carter

      have no HUD -- and they pull it off perfectly! They are gems in an otherwise turd filled landscape.

      But yeah, that is one of the downsides of older games -- the UI tends to be a _little_ less streamlined. I'll take clunky UI over MTX any day though.

    18. Re:Nothing by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      Try going back and actually playing earlier Bethesda games in the series or even the originals. They haven't aged as well as you imagine they have. They're awesome for about 10-20 minutes as you experience a rush of nostalgia, and then you realize they actually pretty much suck by today's standards.

      I've learned not to replay any old games for the sake of preserving my rose-tinted memories from my childhood and early adult life. It's much more satisfying to buy the newer remakes, and then just complain about how they aren't actually as good as the originals.

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    19. Re: Nothing by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      Some of that vertigo is probably due to your playing environment being TOO immersive.

      Try playing in a well-lit room (where the stuff *around* the screen is as bright as the screen itself), on a display that fills 1/4 your field of vision (max).

      Playing modern first-person 3D games in a darkened room a few feet away from a big display is almost a guaranteed way to get vertigo within minutes. The key is to give your brain plenty of nonstop cues that it's watching motion on a screen, and not real motion involving YOU.

      All kidding aside, try the Lego videogames. They're oddly satisfying, not terribly complex (no need to spend 3 weeks on training missions just to learn how to play), and not particularly vertigo-inducing.

    20. Re:Nothing by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      * Left for Dead (1 not 2) (FPS)

      Why not L4D2? It's as much fun as the first one and there's still plenty of players online.

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    21. Re:Nothing by skam240 · · Score: 1

      Outside of expansion releases I don't think I've ever played a PC game with micro transactions (would an expansion even count?).

      Clunky UI equals I won't waste my time with it which is an individual's worst grade for a game. Meanwhile, I could play something with micro transactions if they were done right.

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    22. Re:Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. This is why I can't stop playing through Mad Max at 52 :)

    23. Re:Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How on Earth is this comment "insightful"? Guy is just saying that the games he liked when he was 19 are not fun to him anymore. So what? How about the films that he watched when he was 19, does he still like to watch those? One likes different things at different ages. That applies to games, too.

    24. Re: Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Darkfall: Rise of Agon

    25. Re:Nothing by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Torchlight is just a grindfest like Diablo, except with even less story.

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    26. Re:Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Why not L4D2?

      He's probably still frothing about Valve "abandoned" L4D1 to work on L4D2.

      The inclusion of Diablo 3 on his shitlist (and absence of Diablos 1 or 2 on _either_ list) make me wonder how young the guy is. The inclusion of the Torchlight games on his goodlist make me wonder about the internal consistency of his opinions.

      Similarly, back when there were people playing it (and before the game got changed to make it easier to play without a team full of humans (because the crashed player count made it harder to get a full team together)), Evolve was a _TON_ of fucking fun. It was built by the guys behind L4D and has every bit as much charm and depth as L4D. (It's all set in a sci-fi world, so it's harder to _immediately_ connect with the charm, but it's all there and just as prevalent.).

    27. Re:Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, seriously. This guy's Top Ten List sucks!

    28. Re:Nothing by Leninix · · Score: 1

      While a agree with the whole first part of what you said, you lost complete credibility when listing the ''actual'' good games. Terraria and Minecraft are both child games, Torchlight is pretty bad side by side with Diablo and Titan Quest, Team Fortress 2 is becoming more than ever a ''look at my hat game'', Doom 2017 has a very poor game design (you could play without ever shooting a enemy just by keeping punching and refiling your energy, and each room is just a big hangar, no claustrophobic or dark surprising environment). At least name really good games with atmosphere and good graphism: Bioshock, Pillars of Eternity, Specs Ops the Line, upcoming Descent Underground, Arma 3, Europa Universalis 4, Grand Theft Auto 5, Max Payne 3, Rome Total War, maybe also Resident Evil 7

    29. Re: Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Some of that vertigo is probably due to your playing environment being TOO immersive.

      Thanks for the feedback and, yes, that is also my opinion.

      I think that is explained by a particular configuration of my "sensory system", which probably gives a too high weight to visual perception. It's another way to say my balance sense sucks... and probably is related to the strong nausea I feel as passenger of vehicles -- specially when reading (that is, preventing visual space data acquisition) -- compared to a near optimum experience as driver.

      I wonder how will I feel on self-driven vehicles.

      I omitted in my post that other 3D games are specially bad for me (I seem to recall having a hard time with Tremulous). Thus, I think there are some things which might be adjustable for a better experience. My PCs are quite old and probably generate too low framerates... IDK whether it is related to some extent to the vertigo issue.

    30. Re: Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hello, are you me? Did I write this and I cannot remember?

      Now seriously, that first Mun successful landing was one of the best moments in gaming I've had, mix of thrill and proudness.

      And Factorio, man, it starts with some curious clicks and when you realize, you are calculating input and output ratios, solving production bottlenecks, and planning new flows.

      I cannot recommend them enough. You have great gaming taste!

    31. Re: Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Real physics enabled great new gameplays in the 2000s. That was a radical improvement for sure.

    32. Re:Nothing by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      >I know because I went ahead and played the games I played when I was young, and it's just not as fun anymore. Games haven't changed, I have.

      I dunno. I played my first LAN party game of Quake in ages last month (playing the CustomTF mod for Team Fortress that I wrote) and it was still a heck of a lot of fun.

      In fact, the people that I was playing with were rather surprised at how much faster players used to be than in modern CoD games where you're running in mud in comparison.

      While there's modernish clients for Quake, if id or someone did a really professional job just putting a spit shine on the original Quakeworld (like with what they did with DOOM) I think it'd be a very popular game even today.

    33. Re:Nothing by Calydor · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I don't get how he calls Warframe a grindfest (though it kinda is) and then loves Team Fortress 2 in the same breath.

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    34. Re: Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Out of curiosity, do third person shooters give you the same nausea? My wife has the same issues as you, but no problems with third person anything.

      Also replying partially because of your Colossal Cave analogy, as I relate and enjoyed the way you wrote it up.

    35. Re:Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I started with Oblivion, then Morrowind, then Skyrim, now the earlier ones. From my perspective, Skyrim is the worst, Morrowind the best, and the earliest ones both seem on par with Morrowind, though the engine makes it difficult. But then I play for the narrative not the shinnyness of the engine.

      In short your statement is ubersubjective and depends entirely on what you focus on. But the fact there are people playing the older games for the first time who think they are better (and after the newer games) debunks the notion that it is nostalgia. You're just trying to attribute it to that because you wish to dismiss their opinion and raise your own as objectively true.

      Neither opinion is invalid if that's how you feel. Both are subjective.
      (I would accept the idea that Skyrim has an objectively better(modern) engine - but not that they used it to make a better game, one of the reasons I'm looking forward to Skywind)

    36. Re: Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why should feel better? Are you stupid or what? You just discoveted that you're old now, you will never have your whole life before you again. In fact the better part is now gone beyond recall. You will never ever experience that same sense of wonder again. In a way, it's like being crippled and it's only going to get worse.

    37. Re:Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People usually frowning upon l4d2 say l4d1 has a better dark atmosphere... But that's about it !
      Gameplay in l4d2 is a lot more rich, because there is more infected combinations possible, therefore, the pvp teamplay is waaay more interesting and dynamic. And yeah 10x more people playing it at any hour given than the 1.

    38. Re: Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In a way, it's like being crippled and it's only going to get worse.

      Some things get better. I'm a much better person than I was before. My thinking is more organized than ever, even though I don't have the raw horsepower I once had. But yeah, at 60 most things are worse. I'm ok now, but when things deteriorate enough I'm checking out. Not being burdened with any religious worries makes that an easy choice. The only sad thing is that this will possibly be one of that last generations to die.

    39. Re: Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can play all of the l4d1 campagins in l4d2 anyway

    40. Re:Nothing by sn0wflake · · Score: 0

      Since you're a professional game developer, what kind of crap games do you develop? Like you said; "Modern games are full of bullshit".

    41. Re:Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mostly agree but I found the grinding in Diablo 3 to be mindlessly enjoyable. Not a GREAT game but good enough to keep me entertained. Far overpriced for what it is - a good cheap alternative is Torchlight 1 or 2.

    42. Re:Nothing by elgatozorbas · · Score: 1

      It depends. I"ve picked up the original Doom series [...] and still have a good time with them. [...] Even jumping across from tower to tower in Doom still gives me a thrill. :)

      [John]

      Mr Carmack, is that you?

    43. Re:Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have some cheap games from steam i really like may not be from the genre you are looking for.
      Besiege is my most played steam game but i am some what new to steam under 2 years.

    44. Re:Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I recently got into Battlefield 4 when they started selling the whole damn thing (base and all DLC) for $20 to promote the next release. The only con to the game I would say is you need to either put a good 40-50 hours of play in (or buy your way to the top) in order to get your item range to the competitive level if you play online.

    45. Re: Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bioshock, absolutely.

    46. Re:Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone who started with original DOOM and Quake and also enjoyed HL 1/2, Portal 1/2, and Talos Principle, I'd add to the list:

      * Serious Sam 3 (has some old-school frag-fest opportunities)
      * Metro 2033 Redux and Metro Last Light Redux

      I've played these all in single-player mode only. I like exploring the FPS worlds and sometimes having battles against the computer, but I have no interest in playing on someone else's schedule nor having even a remote whiff of griefer/vandal interactions to spoil my bit of escapism.

      I probably would have hated the Metro games if I hadn't gone through HL2 and Portal series to get familiar with story-driven and puzzle games. This game has more "stealth" and "resource management" elements you cannot easily ignore. You have to conserve your materials and sneak around some dangerous areas. There are enough different kinds of weapons to allow several game play styles though... from very stealthy with minimal kills to guns blazing and killing large numbers of enemies. But some moster-filled environments require stealth as you simply do not have the weaponry to fight them head-on.

      The one Metro game element I wish could be disabled is a consumable gas mask that serves as time pressure. I realize it is significant in shaping the anxiety and pace of the game, but I'd like to go back and explore the whole game in a more open-world roaming style, but it won't let me since I eventually run out of gas mask filters, suffocate, and die. I want a "god lung" mode to disable this but still have other normal game mechanics remain...

    47. Re:Nothing by dinfinity · · Score: 1

      Even jumping across from tower to tower in Doom still gives me a thrill.

      Jumping? In the original Doom series?

      I must be misunderstanding what you were saying, because jumping is not possible in Doom 1 or Doom 2.

    48. Re:Nothing by WheezyJoe · · Score: 1

      just don't find them as mindlessly fun.

      I see a pattern forming here. The older games, particularly side-shooters and DOS Doom, had to work within limited resources, so they were built around action and shooting and speed 'cause there just wasn't any room for story and dialog and cut-scenes and total-realism all that cruft they pile onto "modern" games.
      Doom was just plain madness... the fun kind. The Doom 3 makeover is a good example of modernizing but taking the fun out, 'cause they wanted to tell a story and make you solve puzzles and show off what the engine could do and dark and scary in a predictable way. Doom 2016 was putting the fun back in. Get up, get out, shoot things, glory kills until some horror comes right at you and kills you and you're left in a pool of sweat. That was the thrill of Doom for me, opening that door and seeing/hearing a Baron of Hell for the first time, going "what the fuck is that!!!" before my Doom guy screams and dies. Adrenalin. No talk. We kill.

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    49. Re:Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another game dev here...and uh, what he said. Good list, but I found Stanley Parable massively overrated. Glad I picked it up on sale.

      Can't think of anything now that is even close to original Quake.

    50. Re:Nothing by lance_of_the_apes · · Score: 1

      Another game dev here...and uh, what he said. Good list, but I found Stanley Parable massively overrated. Glad I picked it up on sale.

      Can't think of anything now that is even close to original Quake.

      *This is a repost; thought I was logged in.

    51. Re: Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last wealthy generation to die.

    52. Re:Nothing by Faw · · Score: 1

      Yeah, didn't enjoyed the Borderlands either. Wonder why there is no mention of any of the BioShocks. Other than the Portals or Serious Sams (and maybe Dishonored) Bioshock is better than anything on that recommended list.

    53. Re: Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Out of curiosity, do third person shooters give you the same nausea? My wife has the same issues as you, but no problems with third person anything.

      This really does sound like an FOV issue. I have the same problem, and finding the right FOV (typically much higher than default, thanks consoles) solves it, but it's not as much of a problem with third person games.
      The right FOV is very dependant on the size of your screen and your distance from it. Unfortunately there's usually not much you can do if you're mostly playing console games, as they typically don't even offer FOV options. Try sitting further back from your screen, or maybe even closer.

    54. Re:Nothing by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      1. The way "magic find" works in D2, D3, and most other games is that it rolls "IF" you get phat loot. TF2 doesn't roll "if" you get loot, but "when". This means you are _guaranteed_ to eventually get the item -- instead of being at the mercy of some shitty RNG. This change in focus allows you to just play the game and worry less about having "GGG gear"

      2. Also, NONE of the upgrades in TF2 change the core gameplay. In Warframe if you don't have the right "mods" (cards) you build just isn't going to work. period.

      So while TF2 _can_ be a grind the items don't really matter like they do in Warframe.

    55. Re:Nothing by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      > Terraria and Minecraft are both child games,

      I think I found your problem. You just want to play childish genocide games instead of actual _thinking_ about building and construction.

      When are you going to grow up and realize there is more then just mindless killing in a video game ???

    56. Re:Nothing by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Diablo 1 is good, but short.

      Your point about Diablo 2 is noted. I played Diablo 2 for 7 years. We used to joked "D2 was the game you played while you waited for other games to come out."

    57. Re:Nothing by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      > l4d1 has a better dark atmosphere... But that's about it !

      You've fallen for the fallacy "More is better" bullshit.

      IMHO L4D1 is a far better game then L4D2 because it has better characters (and voice lines), no bullshit "melee spam", no bullshit spitters or jockeys. But the main reason L4D1 is a better is because it is more focused. It focuses on doing 1 thing well. The "bright pastels" of L4D2 is beside the point -- even though it sets the wrong "mood."

      What's REALLY strange is that Turtle Rock initially designed L4D1 -- I don't understand how they _completely_ fucked up Evolve ???

      > Gameplay in l4d2 is a lot more rich

      Riiight, when a spitter fucks you over because it doesn't like you have an "solid defense position." L4D2 is _cheesy._

      > pvp teamplay

      No idea about PVP in either L4D1 or 2 so you could be right.

    58. Re:Nothing by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Yeah, BioShock is a good addition. I personally didn't like any of the ones I've played, but YMMV.

    59. Re: Nothing by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      I feel like stories get in the way of good games. Chess? Catan? Poker? No stories to any of them. If I want a story, I'll read a book or watch a movie. But if there must be stories, they should be in service to the game, not the other way around. Give me just enough information to explain my in-game motivation for exploring the next section, and no more. Character development, intricate backstories, and plot twists in my games can all get stuffed.

    60. Re:Nothing by kevmeister · · Score: 1

      You have just re-discovered Sturgeon's Revelation (usually referred to as Sturgeon's Law): "90 percent of anything is crap." Ted Sturgeon is believed to have first said this in 1951, probably before you were born. If you are not aware of who Theodore Sturgeon was, I strongly suggest that you check out his bio and read one or more of his award winning books.

      If your estimate is correct, game are somewhat worse than average. Or, more likely, Sturgeon was an optimist.

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    61. Re: Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, playing the old games by yourself will always be a letdown. They are good, but good luck finding others to make it the experience. That's the part you actually remember and look back fondly on.

    62. Re:Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Vanishing of Ethan Carter fucking sucks and Limbo is just mediocre.

    63. Re: Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahhhh TA. Love it. I've played it till 2005 and then went with spring and XTA mod, which mimics the original TA. Soon fun

      Just love it.

    64. Re: Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Third person games do not give me any nausea symptoms; only first person ones.

      I'm inclined to believe it is somehow related to frame rate; about the FOV, which other poster mentions, Quake had a setting which I used to tweak it (I found the default very limited). I don't recall any difference regarding the onset of nausea. Alas, Quake I didn't give me any, but Doom is so unbearable that even that video on Youtube of a recent mod made me sick.

      For the record, I always have used big monitors (formerly 17" and recently 21.5", used at reduced resolutions for higher performance). I like immersion and remember ducking when imps threw their fireballs (yeah, OK, lame). Whenever possible, I would tweak also the refresh rate, trying to test whether there was some relief.

      Colossal cave IMHO was akin to a literary work. I'm particularly fond of that "breathtaking view" description which was itself breathtaking, and for other subtle philosophical references like "you may go down, but might not be able to climb up again".

      Thanks again for examining the situation. I guess though the iD guys already have figured it out...

    65. Re: Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank God you answered his question and assumed a lot about what he will like in life.

      Keep nodding this up. Really useful content here.

    66. Re: Nothing by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      Yes, and "one of" the last generations to die. Of course it will be ridiculously expensive at first. Its always been that way. After that, more and more classes get access. And then when the robots eventually take over it'll be up to them to decide what happens to the remaining humans.

    67. Re:Nothing by Briareos · · Score: 1

      Eh, while I enjoyed Torchlight 1 and 2 (played Diablo 2 till the cows came home way back when and skipped D3 for disliking their greedy auction house) I've enjoyed Grim Dawn even more than both Torchlights.

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      "I'm not anti-anything, I'm anti-everything, it fits better." - Sole

    68. Re:Nothing by PJ6 · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised these didn't get on your radar.

      FTL
      Caves of Qud
      Crypt of the Necrodancer
      Nuclear Throne
      Factorio
      Kerbal Space Program

      Be careful with the last two, engineering types tend to find them highly addictive.

    69. Re:Nothing by tommeke100 · · Score: 1

      Dark Souls has that rewarding feeling when following the same pattern killing common enemies. I'm only 30-40 hrs into the game (this is on PS3 but I think you have Dark Souls on PC) but I often find myself crawling across the same areas (since enemies respawn after a save or 'bonfire' rest - some sort of checkpoint) or just range shooting them (also from tower to tower) with a bow.
      Skyrim had the same feel to it.
      These are action RPG's, so a bit more involved than First Person Shooters but it basically amounts to the same once you get into it.

    70. Re: Nothing by wolf12886 · · Score: 1

      This is kind of like saying "there's no good music coming out any more". Sure maybe the good games aren't on the steam front page, but there's TONS of awesome games coming out all the time. I've found the only reliable way to find them is to see what my friends are playing. Baring that you can listing to gaming podcasts. It gives you that "what are people really enjoying right now" perspective. As apposed to "whos paying the most for marketing right now"

    71. Re:Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      EverQuest is still a thing? Seriously?

    72. Re:Nothing by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Of course there is...mindless sneaking...

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    73. Re: Nothing by darth.hunterix · · Score: 1

      Actually, there is a book based on "Settlers of Catan" and it's good. Lot's of viking stuff :) And as to the story: try to make a good RPG or point'n'click adventure game without it.

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    74. Re:Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try playing CURRENT Bethesda games... then you realize they actually pretty much suck by today's standards.

      Just look at the ancient graphics engine, STILL being used in Fallout 4... No vehicles, no nothing... just bugs bugs bugs...
      Compare The Witcher 3 with Fallout 4 and them tell me if "Fallout 4s" engine is up to speed when it comes to graphics?

    75. Re:Nothing by Frederic54 · · Score: 1

      I'm 46 and still love them, Space Harrier, OutRun, Boulder Dash, Arkanoid, Sokoban, etc. and also this damn Ghost'n'Goblins game!!!

      --
      "Science will win because it works." - Stephen Hawking
    76. Re:Nothing by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      Grim Dawn failed to grip me when I tried it out a year or two back. I felt the same way about Path of Exiles though that was way back during its closed beta. I've played D3 on and off over the years and it has gotten a lot more fun since they nuked the RMAH. That said I don't play it constantly but come back for a month or so at the start of each season/ladder, before moving on to something else.

      I seem to have a few games that I cycle between regularly. Namely 7DTD, Minecraft, Terraria, D3. But I'll occasionally squeeze in something else.

    77. Re:Nothing by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      calling quake oldskool makes me feel not old but truly ancient 8-o ... the dude is right, Yar's revenge is never coming back ... i'd say dark souls .. darks souls, dark souls and ... dark souls ... civilization, bit trip runner maybe ... and this thing called euh ... no brainer shoot i totally forgot i'll have to check .. pff skyrim ? fallout 4 for sandboxery, half-minute hero for pixelized retro ? ... painkiller hell and damnation for that oldskool quake-ish feeling but
      like the man said but yes and no, i dont think its because you're no longer 19, b/c i had a revelation back to the gluedtothescreen-zone with the first dark souls so bad i bought it on my xbox first and then on pc later when blamco fell for the petition ... the third i have yet to 100% , you'll just never get that first time duke-nukem or doom zone back, i dont think its an age thing, i gamed since i think i was eight or something paddlnig away on atari cartridges over the commodore 64 to the pc"scene", bought me two xboxes, unlocked one, sold the other one and now i just i dont know, systematically try to get 100% achievements without much motivation but fun simply does not exist did i make more or less sense than usual i say painkiller might be a good bet since you mention quake as your 'oldskool' :) it feels the same to play but with like more zombiehorde like mobs of mobs

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    78. Re:Nothing by mjwx · · Score: 1

      You'll never have that kind of fun again playing computer games, because you're not 19 anymore.

      I know because I went ahead and played the games I played when I was young, and it's just not as fun anymore. Games haven't changed, I have.

      Speak for yourself.

      I'm in my mid 30's like most gamers and I still enjoy games as much as I did when I was a teen.

      In fact, I have a huge back catalogue of games to choose from.

      I enjoy playing Endless Space 2 as much as I enjoyed playing Civ II back when I was a wee-un. You're also wrong about games changing, games have changed a lot but change is not always a bad thing. Game design, especially at the AAA level has become lazier, but thats cool as I've got a lot of options being a PC gamer. Not to say that all of the AAA games are buggy, short, cliche ridden, consolised, covershooter crap, some good games do slip through the cracks.

      Gaming is not as constrained by hardware or drivers as it once was, this has made some developers lazy but it's opened up more possibilities in games. AI has gotten a lot better, especially with strategy games. Whilst nostaliga is fun and it's good to look back (and replay) games from yore that you enjoyed, you cant let it prevent you from enjoying the future. System Shock was great but I'm not going to wait for the "next" System Shock because that only ends in disapointment, the next big thing will be something completely different.

      The biggest problem I have with being a middle aged gamer is that my adult responsibilities encroach upon my gaming time.

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      Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
    79. Re:Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What fucked up evolve was mainly bad press due to very bad marketing management. And also the fact that this game is more demanding than the average FPS (steep learning curve).

      About L4D series, i don't care so much about stories and characters, i'm just interested in pvp gameplay/strats (vs/scavenge), this is why l4d2 is a lot more fun/interesting to play imo.
      Of course, if you're only a campaign player, i understand why one could prefer l4d1.

      And yeah the evolve fail really felt like a waste, pvp wise, the strats and possible team alchemys were insanely rich. It also required A LOT MORE team awareness and coordination on hunters side, way more than in l4d. I guess that was too demanding for most casual players.
      + they really fucked up by removing tons of the old stage1 maps.
      I hope rich asymmetric pvp games like this get released in the future.

    80. Re:Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >he hasn't played Factorio

  2. No such thing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NONE of those "retro inspired" games made today have any of the atmosphere of the games made in the golden age (up until the late 1990s). It's just a sad fact, but also quite natural if you think about it. If you truly like those old games, play them instead of new games that poorly try to imitate the old ones, but never succeed. No matter how many games you played back in the day, you will have many lifetimes worth of unplayed classics left to experience.

    1. Re:No such thing. by Presence+Eternal · · Score: 1

      Super hexagon gives lie to your sentiment.

  3. you can still play quake by ciscon · · Score: 0

    quake is still alive and well, especially quakeworld. you can get started at www.nquake.com which includes ezquake (though there are many clients to choose from now). quake champions is a newer alternative, but certainly doesn't have the same feel or gameplay. everyone is still hanging out on irc and discord (discord.quake.world)

  4. spirit of original by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chess

  5. if Quake is considered "old school" by turkeydance · · Score: 2

    then no.

    1. Re:if Quake is considered "old school" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quake is 21 years old man. Come on.
      I mean I still play games with CGA/EGA graphics but at the same time I still recognize that Quake ain't no spring chicken anymore.

    2. Re:if Quake is considered "old school" by Osgeld · · Score: 5, Insightful

      when I got quake I ran it from dos in 320x240 on a 486DX2, its pretty old school

    3. Re:if Quake is considered "old school" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A remember Quake being a slideshow on a 486DX2-66. Fortunately there was no such problem with Duke Nukem 3D, which was a much better game anyway.

    4. Re:if Quake is considered "old school" by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

      Quake is 21 years old man. Come on.
      I mean I still play games with CGA/EGA graphics but at the same time I still recognize that Quake ain't no spring chicken anymore.

      But look where the Quake engine has taken us - http://i47.tinypic.com/14ke7bt... think I picked this up 5-10 years ago so not up to date.

    5. Re:if Quake is considered "old school" by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I seem to recall that all of those games were identical, only with slightly different skins.

    6. Re:if Quake is considered "old school" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Standard: If I'm getting 500+ frames per second on it with a crappy videocard, it's old school.

    7. Re:if Quake is considered "old school" by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I was going to suggest Wasteland 2, because an old school gamer that liked Wasteland, or even Fallout 1, would like it. There are a lot of games in this vein, like Tides of Numenera or Pillars of Eternity. But after seeing "Quake" I don't know. That's a shooter, and not an old one. So now I don't know, I don't play shooters much, did he like Quake because he could shoot things, or because it was a gore fest, or because the brown on brown color scheme appealed to him?

    8. Re:if Quake is considered "old school" by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      A remember Quake being a slideshow on a 486DX2-66.

      I remember Quake having quite usable frame rates at 512x384 on a SLC2-66. Were you trying to play at XGA? Hell, I tried the old amiga quake port out in winuae, and that was shockingly playable even on a fast 68020... at 320x200

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    9. Re:if Quake is considered "old school" by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1

      when I got quake I ran it from dos in 320x240 on a 486DX2, its pretty old school

      But it was so revolutionary with it's mini GL port for Rendition and then 3dFX Voodoo. Got me into gaming too, being a quantum leap in visuals over the original Doom. Then after playing all the mission packs, there was Quake 2, Unreal, Deus Ex, Half Life, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Far Cry (my all time favorite), Call of Duty, Crysis....

      I left off around there. Like the OP I am looking to take up gaming again. Look forward to the suggestions on this thread. The latest Doom is top of my list.

    10. Re:if Quake is considered "old school" by Z80a · · Score: 1

      Quake would not even boot on a 486 if it didn't had a floating point coprocessor, and even with one was quite unplayable.
      It was a game designed from the ground up for the pentium architecture.

    11. Re:if Quake is considered "old school" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never played any game on that image. The Quake engine never felt right to me, I always preferred Unreal Engine.

    12. Re:if Quake is considered "old school" by rxmd · · Score: 1

      The coprocessor was not the issue. The 486 had a floating-point coprocessor built in - except a few uncommon versions ("486SX" and clones). In fact when you had a 486SX and bought a 487 coprocessor, the 487 was actually a full-blown 486DX internally that simply disabled your original 486SX. Quake was using a lot of processor power at the time, but it was fine on a 486 (in my case a DX2, later DX4/133 clocked at 160). Of course once you had played it in high resolution on a Pentium, you didn't want to go back to the 486, but that doesn't mean that it "wouldn't even boot".

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    13. Re: if Quake is considered "old school" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quake is like 2 decades old.

    14. Re:if Quake is considered "old school" by byrtolet · · Score: 1

      I seem to recall that all of those games were identical, only with slightly different skins.

      That's exactly what I think of all FPS games --- they are the same, and they all make me sick.

      Moreover, third person games, also seem all alike.

      May be it is my age, but old 2D games were much more diverse. Take tron, tetris, mario, breakout, galaga, packman, lode runner. They are completely different beasts. Of course, these games themselves had a lot of clones, but still look, feel and play differently. I can understand the pursuit for better graphics, modern games look fantastic. Unfortunately good graphics has nothing to do with fun.

    15. Re:if Quake is considered "old school" by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      I was so sick of sprite games, by the end of the C-64 era it had 'all been done, 30 times.'

      Shooters and sneakers are there for me now. Sure I still play, a little.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    16. Re:if Quake is considered "old school" by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Once you saw GLquake, you _ran_ to the store to get a VooDoo card. That was the single biggest jump in 'eye candy' in game history.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    17. Re:if Quake is considered "old school" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I recommended getting the cardboard version of quake from google play... playing quake 1 in VR is pretty amazing and nostalgic! You will need the original data files from id's quake 1 through!

  6. game within a game within a game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try EVE Online.

    1. Re:game within a game within a game by war4peace · · Score: 2

      No, don't. Seriously.
      It's a politics-rife, asshole-filled, scumbag-overflowing cesspool.
      Would be nice as a single-player with bots though, if that would exist.

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    2. Re:game within a game within a game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not everyone can handle it. That's what makes it fun.

    3. Re:game within a game within a game by lessthan0 · · Score: 1

      "It's a politics-rife, asshole-filled, scumbag-overflowing cesspool."

      Ah, just like real life.

    4. Re:game within a game within a game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Unless you have friends in a good corps, you will either have to toss tons of real money at the game so you can afford training for a decent ship, or the second you get out of hisec, your ass gets podded. Plain and simple, people and whole groups wait around 24/7 just to shit on a newbie.

      Remember UO, and being ganked by a tankmage in bone armor the second you stepped out of the protection of the town? You can relive that in EVE.

    5. Re:game within a game within a game by globaljustin · · Score: 1

      Not everyone can handle it. That's what makes it fun.

      "handle"?

      OP is saying the game is both not fun to play and full of obtuse asshats. That's not something you "handle" it's something a rational person avoids.

      This isn't like SEAL training where only the best can "handle" it.

      EVE Online is more like CrossFit for nerds with poor social skills.

      This is all imho of course. It's gaming and if people want to play it fine. But as far as an honest summary when making a recommendation, OP is basically right on.

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    6. Re:game within a game within a game by Iamthecheese · · Score: 1

      ...I play games to avoid real life, not to emulate it.

      --
      If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
    7. Re:game within a game within a game by lgw · · Score: 1

      No, don't. Seriously.
      It's a politics-rife, asshole-filled, scumbag-overflowing cesspool.
      Would be nice as a single-player with bots though, if that would exist.

      A single-player (or better, co-op) Eve variant would be a heck of a fun game, IMO, especially if you could build fleets with friendly bots. There's a lot of interesting complexity to Eve gameplay, but it's almost as if player toxicity is the point of the game.

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    8. Re:game within a game within a game by war4peace · · Score: 1

      There's a lot of interesting complexity to Eve gameplay, but it's almost as if player toxicity is the point of the game.

      Because it is...
      CCP have realized they can both make some money and basically not assign manpower and expense to the inevitable endless stream of "he stole my shit plx help" complaints by letting the sandbox manage itself. I am yet to encounter another game where being an asshole pays more than not being an asshole.

      I played EVE for years, I am not talking out of my ass. First time I played between 2009 and 2010 IIRC and then I played between 2013 and 2015. First stretch I was mostly a PvE player who at some point got into Nullsec, running complexes with a friend. We were renters and it was okay, until some big alliance pissed another big alliance and we were collateral victims. That would have been fine and dandy, fecal matter happens, but we were, as renters, promised safe passage by the victor, only for that promise to be promptly erased the moment we exited the station. We were smart enough to do our first attempt empty-handed, but it was a lesson to remember. Shortly after, I was searching for another nullsec corporation and despite being totally not interested in politics, I was considered a spy because "you were in a corp which was in an alliance which was at some point an enemy of an alliance which at some point was our ally". Now that was some weird paranoid shit right there.
      Second stretch I came back tot he game and went straight to a very large coalition, my account being vouched by a real life friend who was already there. I played as an Industrial character, building ships and modules for the corporation I was in and doing trading. Nothing aggressive towards anyone, just ordering raw materials and turning them into ammo, modules, ships and drones. It was peaceful, I liked research and so on. Even so I got betrayed a couple times, once by a member of my own corporation and once by a friendly corporation. I finally left EVE again when the same situation as before happened: big coalitions getting at each other's throats for no reason other than "for lulz" with the full assortment of betrayals, backstabbing, theft and general assholery.

      That toxic environment is not for me.

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  7. Tons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Quake old school? Sorry, but if you did not load the game from a cassette tape or better yet have to type it in yourself, you do not know what 'old school' really means.

    There are a ton of FPS shooters out there. Pick one.

    1. Re:Tons by war4peace · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's a difference between "old-school" and "primitive".
      Banging a hollowed tree trunk with a bone isn't old-school music.

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    2. Re:Tons by Minion+of+Eris · · Score: 1

      Can concur, mostly. Typed them in, had paper-tape backup from the teletype before we got cassette or floppy. But, that said, Try the "newer" Fallout games, or Skyrim. If you can deal with the cell-animation/rotoscoped feel of them, the Borderlands series were a lot of fun.

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    3. Re: Tons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, because people still play claves and bones. Historical influence, modern sound.

    4. Re:Tons by arth1 · · Score: 1

      There are a ton of FPS shooters out there. Pick one.

      But very few of them that aren't console ports, but allow sights to move as fast and accurately as you can move the mouse, and isn't just easy button mashing or combo sequences that make sense with a controller, and menu items you have to scroll through.

  8. Portal by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm in the same boat, played it all in the 90s and hadn't played anything since Half Life, until Portal 1 a couple years back. It was everything I wanted in a game, I played it for about two weeks an hour or so after work, between plays I couldn't wait going back to it. That's not terribly modern but there you go. Someday I will play Portal 2 too.

    1. Re:Portal by dmbrun · · Score: 1

      Yep Portal and Portal 2. Throw in Half Life as well and possibly Half Life 2.

    2. Re:Portal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep Portal and Portal 2.

      I've heard good thinks about them and would consider purchasing if they're not stupidly priced, but they're not on GOG. Can they be had -- DRM-free -- anywhere else?

    3. Re:Portal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      IMO Portal 2 is better than the original Portal.

      Minor spoiler(*): Portal 2 adds new game mechanics.
      (* = Listing the new mechanics would be a major spoiler; just play it already.)

    4. Re:Portal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm in the same boat, played it all in the 90s and hadn't played anything since Half Life, until Portal 1 a couple years back. It was everything I wanted in a game, I played it for about two weeks an hour or so after work, between plays I couldn't wait going back to it. That's not terribly modern but there you go. Someday I will play Portal 2 too.

      Try Farmville 2 from Zynga

      oth...
      factorio
      eso
      overwatch
      starwars battlefront

      source:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9jXnZS3ouU

    5. Re:Portal by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      You'll probably be interested in my list of good games.

    6. Re:Portal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The nice thing about P2 is that there are a plethora of user-generated maps to play. When I finished P1 there were only two (probably more now, I dunno).

      When I finished P2 I ended up playing over 100 quality user maps over something like a year. It was glorious.

    7. Re:Portal by antdude · · Score: 1

      Ditto. I didn't think I would like Portal game when I bought The Orange Box from the local retail stores. Since it came with HL2, I decided to try it. Oh man. Valve Software made a good decision to include it with HL2 and TF2. I still haven't bought and played Portal 2. I am still trying to resume and finish my old computer games (finished Crysis 1 & Command & Conquer 3: Kane's Wraith, and trying to finish World in Conflict) from a decade ago during my unemployment period.

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    8. Re:Portal by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Portal 2 is great. Portal 1 feels like it was just a demo or proof of concept for Portal 2.

      I liked Half Life 1 and all its variants. Half Life 2 annoyed me; I waited until it was cheap since I hated the new DRM crap it had, then was disappointed that the game suddenly finished without resolving any storylines or saving the day, and you have to buy "chapter 2" to continue (screw that).

    9. Re:Portal by vux984 · · Score: 1

      They were made BY Valve. So no they aren't on GoG or anywhere else. They do go on sale all the time though; and are very reasonable.

    10. Re:Portal by lgw · · Score: 1

      I've heard good thinks about them and would consider purchasing if they're not stupidly priced, but they're not on GOG. Can they be had -- DRM-free -- anywhere else?

      Sure, just take your OCD meds and play them on Steam. Obsession is seriously unhealthy.

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    11. Re: Portal by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      They were both far too short. I suppose that was necessary to both avoid being repetitive while still allowing for game completion with human-level skills, but I've had bowel movements lasted longer than a play-through of Portal.

  9. Dusk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA6OOdV4Ve4

    1. Re:Dusk by steak · · Score: 1

      seconded

  10. Get serious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Serious Sam, Painkiller, Bulletstorm, Team Fortress 2 maybe... It sounds like you want a '90s style balls-to-the-wall shooter, no?

    1. Re:Get serious by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Don't forget Borderlands.

      My current obsession is Path of Exile though.

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    2. Re:Get serious by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Don't forget Borderlands.

      Yes, do forget Borderlands. It's fun, but it's a console game, and a loot grinder, simplified and assisted for a generation that don't have the patience for learning twitch skills nor trying twenty times before getting through difficult parts.

    3. Re:Get serious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      uh, that actually sounds perfect for an older gamer wanting to get back into FPS gaming actually.

      especially the 'fun' part, which you stupidly trashed simply because... why? it doesn't measure up to your 'l33t' fps skills or whatever?

    4. Re:Get serious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have a twisted sense of what "fun" is.

    5. Re:Get serious by war4peace · · Score: 1

      At 37, both my age and genetics (I have slower-than-average reaction times) make me a disaster at twitch skills. that might make me an "Untermensch" according to your own thresholds, but it also makes Borderlands a fun game to me. Playing it co-op with a couple of like-minded friends has provided me enormous entertainment.

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  11. I played the demo by Billly+Gates · · Score: 5, Informative

    I am now 40 and bad news. I can't play anymore. My reflexes have remarkingly slowed down terribly. I am done before I see what is up. I get confused and pause on maps too for a good 1/6th of a second too. I am not really out of it like I am 80, but that one 1/6th of a second pause where I wonder where I am on the map and look around is enough for someone to run a rail in the back of my head.

    I am not 23 anymore so I gave up on FPS. You can try but the young kids today will 0wn you as they have 200% faster reflexes

    If you want to do something fun us old farts do MMOs like SWTOR (star wars the old republic) and or Elder scrolls online based on based on Skyrim. Man this is depressing

    1. Re:I played the demo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I can't subscribe to that jibber-jabber. My dad played C64 games when I was a kid then PC games well in to his 60's.
      I think the major difference is as a kid you can afford the time and energy to just think of one thing, not 1000 other things like job, money, kids, why does my neck hurt, blah.
      Just sit there, absorb yourself in the world and work your brain back to that singular moment where you were so in to the game not even your mom saying "clean you room" even registered.

      That is the major difference I find as I get older. Once I am truly concentrating on one thing, that's when I notice I have just the same amount of concentration and reflexes as ever. Of course that also requires me to literally drop all my responsibilities that I'm constantly juggling which gets very difficult when you.. I donno.. grow up.

    2. Re:I played the demo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think you didn't play long enough:) Because I'm in my forties and lived with some guys in their twenties. We used to play Smash Bros together. Once I got a hang of the game, had no problems playing against them (two had never played while one was a pro) - although, they'd play a lot more than I did and kept progressing while I only played occasionally. But I actually felt that I learned the game as easily or easier than they did. Yeah, a lot of these games require lots of tactics, just need to think through them and practice.

    3. Re:I played the demo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a couple of years older than you, but I can still compete favorably with 20-somethings. Maybe you were never good at first person shooter games? Or maybe you just forgot how to sit when playing FPS? (Hint: Lean forward and put your feet on the ground. Lean back for strategy; lean forward for action.)

      Conclusion: You're only old if you think you're old.

    4. Re:I played the demo by BrookHarty · · Score: 1

      Crazy almost 50, playing world of tanks and kicking arse, playing world of warcraft cleaning up in raids, and occasional overwatch and CS and I can hold my own.

      The thing about getting older, you might not have the reflexes, but you can still learn maps, tactics, and experience to handle situations.

      But, World of Warships and World of Tanks is less FPS and more of strategy with some FPS features.

      Lots of games out there to enjoy. Star Citizen has a large older gamer population.

    5. Re:I played the demo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe you're playing different games.

      If you used to play sci-fi shooters like quake (and once, they were all sci-fi), you'll find "realism" shooters like call of duty rather alien. Like hockey and soccer, they're similar, but the skills needed are somewhat different.

      Also, even though you were playing when half the players in the game were in diapers, you're still a noob until you learn the maps, weapons, and tactics. It's not all about reflexes.

      MMOs are just a way to turn time invested into the illusion of skill. In the end, these games are hollow. If you just want to relax, you can do anything you like, but MMOs are to FPS as knitting is to sports. You can pass the time, but it's no true substitute.

    6. Re:I played the demo by antdude · · Score: 1

      Ditto. I used to hate turn based games, but I love them now since I am old and slow these days.

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    7. Re:I played the demo by pcjunky · · Score: 3, Informative

      For those who reflexes are too slow for twitch shooters there is Mech Warrior online.

      BTW: Your reflexes will return pretty quickly if you give a little time. I am 57 and still play Counter Strike.

    8. Re:I played the demo by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Plenty of games that don't need reflexes still. The whole twitch style of gaming never appealed to me anyway. A lot of games make it easier because they're ports from consoles where you can't do twitch play anyway because of the ungainly controllers. And FPS tend to dominate which means huge budgets with little room for actual game play or bug fixing, with lots of fans who will mercilessly mock your $2000 gaming rig for being a beginner's set up. You really don't need the fast reflexes except for player vs player stuff (teabag parties).

      But MMOs are indeed good because they usually set up your skills on a timer so that they can sync up with the servers and that no one gets disadvantaged because they're on a slower network or computer, and you don't get the one-shot kill from the enemy if you were a little too slow. But MMOs are very repetitive, so it has to be a good game with players that you like. And don't pick an MMO dominated by hardcore trolls, pick one for fun instead of competition.

      Or just play Skyrim again. You don't need fast reactions on that. Then try Fallout 3 and 4. Replay old games. Try Portal 2.

    9. Re:I played the demo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm 46.

      TF2, level 150+
      4 Hale launchers, one at 27k
      Hale spy knife
      Hale jag

      I just destroy the little shits on pub servers. That said, tf2 has a steep learning curve, but few hackers.

      OP? Team Fortress 2.

    10. Re:I played the demo by globaljustin · · Score: 1

      I can't subscribe to that jibber-jabber. My dad played C64 games when I was a kid then PC games well in to his 60's.
      I think the major difference is as a kid you can afford the time and energy to just think of one thing, not 1000 other things like job, money, kids, why does my neck hurt, blah.

      This is exactly right.

      People are too quick to play armchair neuroscientist these days b/c of pop science and TED talks.

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    11. Re:I played the demo by CBravo · · Score: 1

      I'm 42 playing Battlefield 4. It took me a while to get into it. I never played FPS when young but I am having fun now and ending up in the top 5 normally. But the fun part is the most important one.

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    12. Re:I played the demo by lgw · · Score: 1

      I am not 23 anymore so I gave up on FPS. You can try but the young kids today will 0wn you as they have 200% faster reflexes

      Twitch FPS games are maybe 5% of gaming. The other 95% is full of great stuff. Heck, twitch FPS isn't even the majority of competitive gaming.

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    13. Re:I played the demo by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      Star Citizen has a large older gamer population.

      Is that only because anyone who has followed its progress from the start is in at least their 70s by now, though?

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    14. Re: I played the demo by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      It's not just reflexes -- bots are rife on any currently-played PC FPS, and some console titles as well. Just peruse "ArtificialAiming" or any of the dozens of other subscription-based aimbot sites that have been around for years. Hell, install one and play around for a while and watch the other aimbotters make impossible shots and win "reflex tests" 100% of the time. They will be the ones with better KDRs than you while you yourself are cheating because they're going to extremes to rack up their kill counts. I guarantee at least 5% of other players are cheating, although a given match can be much higher still. The upside, if there is one, is that aimbot users quickly identify one another and usually target each other -- other players are just collateral damage. They also can't be everywhere on the map at once -- at least not without getting caught. People like to think that it's much more rare than it is, and give other players the benefit of the doubt, because it preserves our subjective experience and enjoyment of the game, but the truth is that cheaters always win, and they're always at the top of the high scores.

    15. Re:I played the demo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So don't play multi-player. I'm almost 60, and I don't play multi-player FPS for that very reason, but I still enjoy the single-player missions.

      I'd suggest the entire Mass Effect series to the OP - they have enough FPS content, and a storyline to make them last longer. I'm playing Mass Effect Andromeda at the moment, and enjoying playing through the third time.

  12. Games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Team Fortress 2 is probably right up your alley.

    Overwatch is a close second.

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  15. Overwatch has a little bit of everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Caveat: I'm an Overwatch fanboy so take this with a grain of salt, but it might work for you. There's a character for everyone and they interact well for the most part. If you liked rockets in Quake you might like Pharah, or if you want a dude with an assault rifle who recovers health on his own then Soldier 76 may suit you. Really good mix of team play, individual skill, and tactical considerations. Easy to get into.

    1. Re:Overwatch has a little bit of everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All modern FPS games, including Overwatch, feel like shit compared to the Quake series. That whole Quake series had such a fluid and natural movement and feel. Nobody has even tried to duplicate that. I think most people don't notice stuff like that, they just want cool graphics and sound but honestly the feel is what made the game fun.

  16. I'd probably suggest building your own from a kit. by Noishkel · · Score: 1

    Right now there's not really anything on the market for a 'middle of the road gaming PC'. Most people are either focusing on a high end gaming machine or they just go for consoles.

  17. The Old Ones by hduff · · Score: 2

    Most all the old ones can run under WINE, PlayOnLinux, and Crossover, or they have a modern, multi-platform game engine and hires textures. I'm getting my friend set up to play Quake using the Darkplaces engine for MS-Windows and with hi-res textures. As awesome as Quake seemed in 1996, it is even more awesome now. It is impressive that fans of these classic games have kept after them all these years. It seems that those games were just that good. Many are still available for purchase from vendors like GOG.com and Steam if you have misplaced your original CDs.

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    1. Re: The Old Ones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget about Retroarch. It has Doom and Quake engine available plus tons of emulators and runs like Playstation 3's interface.

    2. Re:The Old Ones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tru dat. Darkplaces, gzdoom, ezwolf and you're set. All have mac and linux clients. There's currently a sale on steam for those games.

    3. Re: The Old Ones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      retroarch is a disaster. It breaks all kinds of vsync with emulation and the interface is horrendous. There's no need to 'emulate' game engines when there are other, better source ports available.

  18. Quake Champions and Unreal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Both in beta and about as true to the originals as your going to find. I was a twitch gamer in the late nineties, though I'm no where near as quick as I once was I still enjoy getting my ass whipped on these ones from time to time. So far no rail gun in Quake though, which is a disappointment.

    1. Re:Quake Champions and Unreal by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      Uh, quake champions has a railgun..
      https://quake.bethesda.net/en/...

  19. A Small List of things to look at. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A Small list to consider.

    1) Half-Life Series - probably the Source version of HL1 stuff is really nice and doesn't take much away from the experience.
    2) Super Meat Boy - Hard Core Platforming
    3) Binding of Isaac - Procedure-Generated Dungeon Crawler
    4) Rocket League / Overwatch - Both good. DLCs totally just for show.
    5) Torchlight II - a kinship with the Diablo I and II style.
    6) Eldar Scrolls Skyrim / Fallout 4 - both have a lot of good content DLC and Mods giving you a great bang for your buck. These are 100+ hours games to complete normally add in mods and DLC and you'll be playing it off and on for years.

    This is just going with a more broad slice for those who haven't played in a while and might want to pick something up to give it a go. Particular to FPS Arena style (verses Tactical Style) you have Overwatch and TF2 for Team based Arenas; OpenArena is very much like Q3 as it's build on a heavily modified version of it originally getting closer to something akin to UT2003. Unreal Series 2004 and 4 are both great games both slightly different but in that vein of Arena shooter but with the added rides you can use. Halo games the last time I checked (Halo 3) had pretty good multiplayer and tends to be on PC as well. If you want to Try something fast pace but Tactical you have things like the various Wave Enemy FPS games like Call of Duty Zombies. F.E.A.R was pretty fun when I used to play it but it's very dated now a days.

  20. Try these... by swan5566 · · Score: 1

    Mass effect, elder scrolls (morrowwind and skyrim mostly)

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    1. Re:Try these... by heypete · · Score: 1

      I concur. Mass Effect 1, 2, and 3 are a lot of fun, though I prefer 1 and 2 over 3 most days. I really enjoy the character development and the environments, though I admit some of the levels on ME1 are a bit "cookie-cutter" (you find yourself storming the same planetary bases over and over), but otherwise the games are a ton of fun. I keep going back to them every year or so.

      ME: Andromeda is, so far, less enjoyable than the earlier ones.

      The original Deus Ex and its modern sequels are great fun, as are the Half Life series.

      Borderlands and its sequels are a hell of a lot of fun, and a lot more casual.

    2. Re:Try these... by swan5566 · · Score: 1

      +1 to Deus Ex. Fallout is another one.

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    3. Re:Try these... by heypete · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I liked Fallout 3 a lot (1 and 2 are great as well, but aren't FPS). Fallout New Vegas was nice, but got really repetitive after a while. I played it all the way through, but it didn't really have the replay value I wanted.

      I started playing Fallout 4, and it looks promising, but the "fuel" mechanics for the power armor is a bit annoying (though not deal-breaking). Alas, finishing my PhD got in the way, so I haven't had a chance to play it. Elite: Dangerous, a space sim, has my current attention but I'll likely rotate to another game soonish.

    4. Re:Try these... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I rarely used the power armor for that reason. When I play it again I'll get or build a mod that lets you run in power armor for free.

  21. Games for the 40+ :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    - If you want first person, Overwatch is a good choice
    - If you played the original XCom back in the day the new ones are updated but faithful to the originals
    - MOBAs can be fun too, Heroes of the Storm or League of Legends

      I am not 22 anymore so my twitch gaming skills are as sharp, nor do I have the desire to put that kind of time into my gaming I once did. So games like CoD have little to no appeal. Overwatch is a lot more relaxed though with cartoon like weapons and while there are classes that require more skills and practice a lot of them are just darn fun to smash around with.

    1. Re:Games for the 40+ :) by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      See, to me, one of the reasons I still play quake style games is the quick matches. I can play for 10 minutes, or an hour. No grinding. It's the MMOs I don't have time for (I didn't have time for them in my 20s either).

    2. Re:Games for the 40+ :) by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      MMOs are mostly set up to appeal to the 10-30 minute crowd. It's the WoW model, with tiny microquests that give continuous positive feedback. Ie, get in, finish a few quests, talk to friends, and log out in under an hour. Now the instances and raids take longer, but not excessively so for the most part (can take longer to find a group than to do the content). But soloing an MMO doesn't require the bladder control like they used to. And in many MMOs you don't need to grind, it's optional, and the hard part is ignoring the players who tell you that you have to grind because they all assume your end goal is top tier PvP and PvE.

  22. Some PC games from the past few years... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here are some I've played and enjoyed from the past few years:
    Mount & Blade: Warband
    Crusader Kings 2
    Half Life 2, Team Fortress 2 (has gone downhill somwhat recently, but still the best class-based FPS), other Orange Box games
    FTL: Faster Than Light
    Terraria
    Factorio
    Glittermitten Grove
    Hotline Miami
    Infinifactory
    Portal 2
    Postal 2
    Prison Architect
    The Serious Sam HD series
    Subnautica

  23. Overwatch & Faster Than Light by sursurrus · · Score: 5, Informative

    Overwatch - It's a relatively casual fun shooter, playable on a nongaming pc, and there's a balancing system so you are playing in games with people of roughly your skill level.

    FTL - A cheap and fun Steam game, relateable to old-school sci-fi fans, a full game can be played through in 2-3 hours (or 20 minutes if you're a speedrunner). I have gotten over 100 hours of entertainment out of it, from my initial investment of $10 during a sale.

    1. Re:Overwatch & Faster Than Light by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FTL is fantastic. It's the perfect length of time to play a game and the strategies for loading out your ship are endless. The soundtrack is phenomenal too.

    2. Re:Overwatch & Faster Than Light by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FTL isn't a Steam game. It's available there, but doesn't require steam to be even installed to run.

  24. online suggestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Eve Online --- you can try it for free

    Fly a spaceship and choose what you do

    gain isk (in game money) and be a pirate, space trucker, industrial giant, hard rock miner, moon & planet farmer, bounty hunter, space warrior

    lots of fun, play, make friends...

    it is NOT a test of reaction time, it's a test of planning, wisdom, tactics & strategy

    1. Re: online suggestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Eve Online ? . . . . oh hell no

      What they don't tell you is your skills train in real time. Which is great until you realize it will be a YEAR or more from the moment you start training them to get them up to speed to be useful.

      Remember, you'll be a newbro in a starter ship with starter skills playing, without question, one of the most complex games ever made.

      Facing off against folks with years of skill training behind them, their pick of any ship they want and a tendency to kill newbros just because they think it's fun.

      Seriously, if you're looking for a Class A frustration level game, by all means get a subscription and jump right in.

      ( Yes there are free ( Alpha ) accounts, but you're limited in skills and ships you're allowed to fly )

  25. Go VR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've had MORE fun playing games as a 46 year old with VR games than any other time. I bought a PSVR for my son's PS4 and I use it more than him. Farpoint with the AIM controller is awesome. Also check out the HTC Vive and Rift!

  26. Pong by FrankHaynes · · Score: 1

    My big brother had a Zenith(?) TV set that had a button you could push to switch it to a game of Pong. The most basic, boring game ever. We were absolutely FASCINATED by it.

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    1. Re:Pong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      haha! I remember actually driving down to a skating rink when I was kid just to play pong - Yes, we were simple people back then and were easy to amuse

  27. CSGO baby by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    actually the game is heavier than a vm running windows 10

    nvm

  28. try paladins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    old quake/ut99-veteran here and i'm having a blast lately playing paladins. :)

  29. Re:I'd probably suggest building your own from a k by Noishkel · · Score: 1

    Ahh crap, I miss tread the question... NM.

  30. I turn 40 next month - my current games: by pecosdave · · Score: 1

    You're obviously into FPS games. I don't play those like I used to, they mass produce them these days and though there's some good ones out there they've failed to lure me in as of late. Closest thing to an FPS that really lured me in recent years wise is Portal.

    What has captured the spirit of a little later FPS's now considered classic, such as Unreal Tournament but isn't even an FPS is Awesomenauts. It's got the team play and cooperation mid-era FPS's and I love it.

    I like platformers, my first system was an Atari 2600, but of course I adopted Mario as soon as I could. Giana Sisters games fit into that category well. I'm also playing A Boy and His Blob, a modern take on an NES game I had back in the day. The new one is sort of a kids game, but I'm really loving it. Super Meat Boy is an action platformer with very good yet unforgiving controls.

    Something that scoops up the old space shooter genera then amplifies is into something awesome beyond all expectation is Beat Hazard. I have no idea how many hours I've spent on that between the Android and Linux versions.

    If you liked Adventure games and Final Fantasy turn based strategies it's hard to beat South Park the Stick of Truth. Just don't play it when your kids are around.

    The Torchlight games are a shoe-in for anyone who liked Diablo - actually made by the same creators.

    They keep remaking and reimagining games of our era - you can usually find something to revisit.

    If you really want something with old school herky-jerky make you sick to your stomach if you spend too much time on it games you can always try Goat Simulator. I have to limit my time on that one.

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  31. Borderlands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're only looking for run-and-gun arena battles (deathmatch, capture-the-flag, domination, etc) just get Overwatch or some other equally recent and popular FPS that has a large player population.

    If you want, or at least don't mind, a good single player/Co-op FPS (also has a few pvp arenas and the option to duel), I'd recommend the Borderlands series. Borderlands actually has a story, a lot of humor, and is a pretty good shooter series overall. There should still be enough active players to team up with as well.

  32. lowest common denominator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    As a person who also grew up in the same time, built my own PC's back then (I miss my AMD K6-2 and Athlon) and continues to causally game today (and continues to build my own pc's) the issue with gamming today is virtually all the games worth causally playing are designed to run on laptop hardware. League of legends, TF2, Overwatch, SC2, These are all games you can sit down at not have to worry about remembering were you were in the story since you last touched it a month ago and play for 30 min to an hr. (you really have more than 2 solid hrs to dedicate to gameing as a 40yo?)

    Buy a $300 bare bones kit, stick a $300 video card in it and you'll have a gameing PC that will do 95% of what you want. (you'll spend another $1500 chasing that last 5%)

  33. Farcry? by UnBsd · · Score: 1

    I am an old school gamer. The last time I got back into gaming after years of absence, someone mentioned farcry 2. I had wanted something like q2, MechWarrior, rb6, tribes, America's army, tf. When you get on servers with other games, old school or solid, it's the quality of gameplay not the game that makes the most difference. Anyway, if I got back into gameplay, other than flight Sims, I'd get that new farcry version set in the Midwest Montana.

    1. Re:Farcry? by dryriver · · Score: 1

      Farcry is great, but Soldner Secret Wars is far more fun.

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  34. Soldner Secret Wars by dryriver · · Score: 1

    Its free, has old school 3D graphics and is shitloads of fun for a 40+ year old, because the game offers so much freedom and doesn't depend on fast reflexes like Battlefield and COD for example do. Take a look here: https://soldnersecretwars.de/m...

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  35. You could check out this.... by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1

    This suggestion won't immediately address your nostalgia issue. But if you want to putter around a little more with games, and don't want to buy a console and stay exclusively PC, install the Steam app/client (its free).

    Steam, from a business perspective, is a game management interface/platform. It makes money by acting like a software games store (its a middleman). But besides the client program being free, it can help you access/install free games (and you can google/reddit for lists of free games available through Steam). Every so often, an (oldish) "commercial" title is released for free. Even though I infrequently buy games software, I'm still building up a library of free (dated) games.

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    1. Re:You could check out this.... by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      /. in general has a split mindset regarding steam. Some like it because of the convenience of one stop shopping for most games. Others mostly the militant Anti-DRM people hate it, because to them anything not open source and DRM free is evil.

    2. Re:You could check out this.... by Szeraax · · Score: 1

      Which is why GOG is ALMOST the perfect combo of the two. They are still behind on getting many of the latest games (thanks to them not wanting a non-DRM published) and a few other things, but the GOG Galaxy client is like Steam client, except it is just an enhancement providing chat, achievements, management, etc., not a DRM tool.

    3. Re:You could check out this.... by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1

      I guess for my personal edification, I'd have to see what specific Steam DRM features are they objecting to.

      Yes, there is an implied requirement to have working steam/publisher servers to permit installation or allow gameplay, but that can be addressed by backups. If you backup the steam folder, and individually backup each game, you should be able to install/run each game offline (thus indefinitely).

      Steam does limit you to three game installs, but you can still remove a game install from a machine, and move it to another (thus install more than 3 times). You can even "lend" your game license through "family mode".

      There are instances where Steam will ruthlessly remove your account access, but that doesn't stop you from running your games offline. When those games don't work, its generally the multiplayer online aspect. But if a game is online, it would shutout by the online game server anyway.

      So, what specific Steam situations are people objecting to the DRM?

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    4. Re:You could check out this.... by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      I think it's the people who object to any form of DRM. By the way, I'm not one of them. My only problem with steam is I never have enough spare money when the Semiannual Steam Sales take place.

  36. Xonotic by future+assassin · · Score: 2

    Modern FPS based on DP engine and tons of fun servers with modified game plays. http://www.xonotic.org/

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  37. Did no one play Starseige: Tribes? by dvsDave · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I spent a good year on that game. Best FPS of it's day.

    1. Re:Did no one play Starseige: Tribes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tribes: Ascend is quite the good time, IMO

    2. Re:Did no one play Starseige: Tribes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Love me some tribes. Tribes Assend is pretty good new sequel which preserves the fast pace, and was recently updated to improve the experience.

    3. Re:Did no one play Starseige: Tribes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "SHAZBOT!"

  38. TF2 by musicon · · Score: 1

    Like you, I was playing on the PC well before Wolf3d, Doom, Quake, etc came out. Most current modern games (like the current iterations of Doom, Overwatch, etc.) are too flashy and have too many different colors, landscape and building details, and distractions for me to be able to focus well on the hunt. I'd recommend TF2.Half-Life, HL2 (and episode 1 & 2) are good as well. Also Portal and Portal 2.All of them use older, more simple engines that won't support all of the flashy effects, and as a byproduct make it easier for me to understand what's going on around me. Plus, they work well and don't need cutting-edge PCs as well. Now get off my lawn!

  39. Doom (2016) by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    The most recent iteration of Doom IMO captured all the things that made the original great. Arcade style fast paced action. Basic map navigation (find keys, unlock doors). Interesting bosses, it can be quite challenging, and best of all none of that hyper realistic stuff that seems to bog down modern games like weapon reloading, only being able to carry 1 big gun etc.

    I highly recommend it.

    1. Re:Doom (2016) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. This game was such a surprise to me. It did an excellent job of recapturing the pacing and vibe of the original. And wherever it brought in new mechanics it did so in support of the what made the original work. It's a real must for fans of the original.

    2. Re:Doom (2016) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Totally agreed. The game is just nonstop fun, something many developers seem to have forgotten how to do.

  40. CS, TF2, Portal... by Razed+By+TV · · Score: 1

    I don't know if you're going to find anything these days that matches that experience. I think a number of suggestions by other posters are good. Half-Life (1 specifically) was a very good game, on a versatile engine that became used for multiple community efforts. The Half-Life mod Counter-Strike was very popular, and the derivative Counter-Strike : Global Offensive is currently popular. Team-Fortress 2 is another game with roots in a Half-Life mod. Portal and Portal 2 are must play first person...err... puzzlers, with gobs of community content. While nothing is particularly nostalgic about Portal, it is somewhat of a gamer staple. As an afterthought, Borderlands might be worth looking into as well. Lots of humor and generally just a good FPS experience overall.

  41. Submitter Here - Quake Champions by wjcofkc · · Score: 2

    Going through the comments so far, I took a look at Quake Champions. Just what I have been wanting. Now we will see how my own personal age factor affects the enjoy ability.

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    1. Re:Submitter Here - Quake Champions by wjcofkc · · Score: 3, Informative

      Update: Damn I did not expect so many hoops just to download and install a game. I really am getting old. Back in my day...

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    2. Re:Submitter Here - Quake Champions by Szeraax · · Score: 1

      The day I don't have mod points! Back in my day...

    3. Re:Submitter Here - Quake Champions by jeepies · · Score: 1

      Team Fortress 2 is a decedent of Quake/Quake World/Team Fortress. It's a few years old, but still one of the more popular games on Steam. It usually has 70,000-80,000 concurrent players around peak time. It's also free to play so no cost to try it.

    4. Re:Submitter Here - Quake Champions by wjcofkc · · Score: 1

      Thank you. I'll check it out.

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    5. Re:Submitter Here - Quake Champions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So nobody said the game you wanted to advertise and you had to resort to do it yourself.
      Nice job, Bethesda.

    6. Re:Submitter Here - Quake Champions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could also give Dirty Bomb a try.

      It's a fast paced objective based shooter by the creators of Enemy Territory games

  42. Old school and off-the-wall by techno-vampire · · Score: 2

    If you want old time FPS fun without worrying about such details as what's plausible, try out Redneck Rampage, the expansion pack Redneck Rampage: Suckin' Grits on Route 66 and the sequel Redneck Rampage Rides Again! Lots of surrealistic violence at several different difficulty levels. Yes, the clipping's a tad careless so that if you kill somebody behind a barrier their arm might stick through, but for me, at least, that just adds to the charm. Written for DOS, it plays under Windows, or in DOSBox, and if you're running Linux, it works just fine under Wine.

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  43. Overwatch by rutabagaman · · Score: 2

    The kids are in to Overwatch for FPS these days, but if you've been out of PC gaming for a while you might want to check out Bioshock. Single player only, but even my wife was hooked after playing for 5 minutes.

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  44. Here's a few recommendations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm in a similar situation. I'm 40, played heaps of games when younger but life has taken priority lately.
    The last game I really, thoroughly, completely enjoyed was Horizon Zero Dawn. It's a PS4 exclusive, but if you have the funds, it's such an outstanding game. Really good storyline, amazing graphics, incredible world design and a likable protagonist. It's single-player, so you can take the game at your own pace and do as many or as few of the side quests on your way to completion.

    If you want a good, fun first-person-shooter, keep a look out for Destiny 2 that's launching on PC soon. While it's multiplayer, there will be a single-player storyline as well. I'm often too anti-social to play multiplayer online games, but really enjoyed getting together with a few friends in Destiny.

    For a FPS that doesn't has any storyline, but has some really fun balance between the characters and team combos, Overwatch is quick to pick up, fun to get into and has a surprising amount of depth in the gameplay.

    Oh, and if you enjoyed Quake (and I'm assuming Doom and Wolfenstein before it) then there was a new version of Doom released last year. I played the demo but just didn't get into it.

  45. Try these by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · · Score: 1

    Doom (2016) and Quake Champions are pretty close to their ancestors. Quake Champions even features a map which closely resembles the one in Quake 3.

  46. Quake Champions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quake Champions is essentially the latest evolution of Quake 3.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_KGYyl5LwE

    World championship at Quakecon this weekend.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXrgM6QC9yk

  47. Toxikk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FPS

  48. Need for Speed Hot Pursuit by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    Dragon Age (any) and Mass Effect 1-3 (skip Andromeda, buggy mess). Pilliars of Eternity, Tyranny and Divinity Original Sin. Torchlight I&II, The Adventures of Van Helsing. Street Fighter 4 (not 5), Injustice & Mortal Kombat 9/10. Ys, Xanadu Next or pretty much anything from Nihon Falcom. Sonic & Sega Racing Transformed (great game, lousy title). Cave Story, Momodora I-IV, Freedom Planet, Shadow Complex, Rayman Origins. Fire Pro Wrestling.

    I'm mostly a "PC Console Gamer" to be fair. My bro's a strategy gamer and there's something of a renaissance going on if you've got the cash (the games are usually about $60-$100 if you buy the expansions, and you will buy the expansions). But I can't speak to those.

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  49. Duke Nukem 3D fan here by Drunkulus · · Score: 1

    Bioshock for sure. Deus Ex, masterful. Get the original, skip Invisible War, and continue with Human Revolution. Borderlands was a lot of fun. Half life, not nearly as inventive as I wished. Same with Crysis, and Halo. I tried Fallout 3 but couldn't get into it. No ammo anywhere and a vast world with few clues what to do. I hear Fallout New Vegas is a different story altogether so that's what I'm trying next. I did play Duke Nukem Forever all the way through, just because.

    1. Re:Duke Nukem 3D fan here by kbrannen · · Score: 1

      I'll second BioShock and it's sequel. I have but have yet to play #3 so I can't comment on that. On Steam, you can get the predecessors System Shock 1 & 2. Others have mentioned Portal 1 & 2 and I'll agree.

      In additions to Steam, head over to GOG.com and see what they have. For example I lost Myst during some move and I bought it for $5 when it was on sale and enjoyed some old memories.

      I wished I had more time to play as there are some good ones out there, even for us mumble>40mumble players.

  50. Re: hl2comic.com by rwa2 · · Score: 1

    Yes, Half Life 2 is well worth it, because then you can enjoy the Concerned parody comic that much more. At least watch one of the playthroughs on YouTube if you can't be bothered to work the puzzles yourself.

    Haven't played HL1 yet, still waiting for that fan-based remastered remake... is it ready yet?

  51. PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds? by mattack2 · · Score: 1

    I've never played it myself, but it's getting a lot of love on some video game podcasts I listen to. Some of the guys on Giant Bomb are old farts like you & I too.

    I just confirmed, it can be played first or third person.

  52. Starcraft by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 2
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  53. Overwatch! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Play Overwatch, it's one of the most popular games out there right now for a reason. If you come from a Quake background, try Pharah, she's an Egyptian jetpacking rocketlaunching warrior.

    If you're older and coming back in, you might have a mixed bag with the community. I usually play with a group of 30-somethings (including my wife) and have a great time, but if you play with randoms you might get some young kid on summer vacation with a mic and an attitude, just mute those folks.

  54. Re:Doom (2016) - Completely Agree! by SlashdotOgre · · Score: 2

    Doom (2016) is a very much a modern interpretation of old school shooters like Quake - way more than other modern FPSs like CoD, BF, Halo, etc. It captured the over the top speed, action, fun factor, etc. perfectly and the changes they introduced fit perfectly. The new Wolfenstein is also quite good, but I enjoyed the new Doom more.

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  55. My list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Similar to quake and qw: doom 4, team Fortress 2, Overwatch.

    For some more real weapons game: BF4, BF 1, CSGO

    If you are too old or to slow for those competitive games then go for some story FPS games like: Fallout 4, Skyrim, MGS4, Farcry 4

    Away from FPS games, Starcraft 2 is a blast, LOL or its clones are cool, Kerbal Space Program is cool for nerds.

  56. Good Old Games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Very happy customer. Got Neverwinter Nights 1/2, Deus Ex 1/2, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 1/2 and they all run great. Probably ran me $50 for all that. I remember seeing plenty of FPS as well.

    Ignore the guys who say it's you and you've grown out of it. The old games are as good as they ever were: DRM-free and no Internet connection required.

  57. Swarmed by Presence+Eternal · · Score: 1

    The spirit of the original Quake?

    Devil Daggers.

  58. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bridge Builder forever

  59. Your Experience Isn't Everyones by skam240 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The average age of a gamer in 2016 was 35. http://essentialfacts.theesa.c... . I realize that what constitutes a gamer can differ widely based on who you ask but what this assuredly says in that adults play lots of games.

    In other words getting older does not equal too old for video games. Sure, your personal tastes have changed over time, mine have too. I have no use for pro sports anymore and I used to love that stuff when I was a kid. Some one starts rattling off team and player names at me now and my eyes just glaze over. (My favorite is when some one asks me if I caught "the game" last night. What the hell are you even talking about?) Do I think pro sports are childish and for kids? Of course not, tons of adults enjoy them. Pro sports just arent to my taste.

    I still enjoy video games however and am well into being a responsible adult (although I have less time for them nowadays :( ). Don't confuse your own experience with everyone's reality.

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    1. Re:Your Experience Isn't Everyones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Video games are our generation's (GenX) entertainment. First came books, then plays, then radio, then films, then television and now video games. For anyone to say that they grew out of video games tells me that they are either from the Baby Boomer generation (or previous generation) or they are posturing to try to earn "maturity" points.

      I am 40 years old and I still love my games.

    2. Re:Your Experience Isn't Everyones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      seconded.

      I'm 46 and still love my games. Not so much the twitch shooters, and that's not because of my reflexes but because of ubiquitous cheating.

    3. Re:Your Experience Isn't Everyones by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Sure you still played them, but tell me that by the end of the C-64 era you weren't kind of sick of sprite games?

      At this point I feel the same about 3d shooters and sneakers. Sure new eye candy is always nice to see, but other than that, it's same old same old.

      At least computer power has gotten us past 'hall games'. But open environs are also old at this point. It's just down to storytelling, the mechanics are old and tired. Most stuff, already been done better than 90% of new content.

      We need a new 'Redneck Rampage'. That was a good one. All sorts of topical things from the news a fearless dev could incorporate in 'Redneck Rampage 2017'.

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    4. Re:Your Experience Isn't Everyones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't get sick of technology, only bad games. Good games are timeless and I could play them any time. To base your gaming upon whether it uses sprites or polygons or voxels or whatever is idiotic.

  60. Wolfenstein: Enemy Terrirory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are still servers out there, with active players. Old Farts Clan still runs one.

  61. Indie Games by snookiex · · Score: 2

    There are really good modern old-school games made by indie developers/studios. The Humble Bundle is a good way to start. Here is a somewhat outdated list of bundles. Many of those games can be bought on Steam too.

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  62. Strategy by fadethepolice · · Score: 1

    I'd recommend Crusader Kings 2. It's not exactly turn based but its pretty close, and if you like the old strategy games you may like this.

  63. Different genres for me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try Vendetta Online for a fun space FPS or if (like me) your reflexes aren't up to that, World of Tanks or World of Warships.

    Growlor

    1. Re:Different genres for me. by BoogieChile · · Score: 1

      And if your reflexes aren't up to World of Warships, try Naval Action for really slow turning mechanics.

  64. Similar games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doom
    Wolfenstein New Order
    Bioshock Infinite
    Borderlands 2

  65. For Community driven FPSs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    - Player Unknown's Battlegrounds (PUBG) new and growing, huge upswell of support
    - Team Fortress 2 (10 years old at this point but still popular. For the community aspect, look at community run mods and servers)

    Nothing is gonna quite equal the glory days of Quake but there are options out there if you're looking for the community aspect.

  66. I liked these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Portal 1
    Portal 2
    Wolfenstein: New Order
    GTA V

  67. RPGs still good.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Witcher 3 specifically. Skyrim - make sure to check out mods - they are what brings me back every other year, Also: Kerbal Space Program - leaned more about orbital mechanics then I care to admit. Elite Dangerous (space sim for VR) - [or EVE - if you like spreadsheets].

  68. rainbow six siege -- free this weekend actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if you're looking for an fps still, and are ok with multiplayer only, i highly recommend rainbow six siege. it's available for pc and gets regular updates (generally two new characters + new map every quarter -- both of which are free). characters are regularly tweaked to keep things balanced too. the destructible environments are very cool and could not possibly be further from a gimmick (i've played games with destructible environments before, but i've never seen one that gets it as right as this game does). it definitely supports a variety of play styles (as much as you can get in an fps at least). while games like quake, cod, overwatch, etc are all very heavily based on reflexes, in rainbow six siege, good strategy, teamwork, and/or clever use/combination of gadgets and the environment can often give you a significant advantage over someone with good reflexes alone. in fact, i'd go so far as to say that if you're generally relying on your reflexes alone in the game, you're probably doing something wrong. it's also unique from the other shooters in that characters aren't bullet sponges. headshot = instant death regardless of gun or distance. primary guns can kill in as little as 1-3 bullets. pistols really aren't that weak either; their downside is just that you only have iron sights for them, so aiming can be awkward. guns and other weapons have a good feel to them as well (recoil, etc).

    as mentioned in the title, in case you missed it, it's free this weekend (https://rainbow6.ubisoft.com/siege/en-us/free-weekend/index.aspx)

    ps. on defense, think twice before you reinforce things :) sometimes you actually want to open up the room (often on secure area you want to open something, and on bomb you want to open up the walls between the two bomb sites if you can because you'll need quick, easy access to both)

  69. Re: hl2comic.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Black Mesa (the remake of HL1) is not complete yet, but what they have completed so far is very good and goes through most of the original HL1.

  70. The Witcher 3 Wild Hunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I too was a hardcore Doom, Quake and Quake Wars player, because well, they showcased the hardware I continued to upgrade. There was of course Unreal Tournament and Quake 3 because who didn't frag back then. Before that though, the games that excited me were Bard's Tale 1 and 3 and the wonder I felt in the simulated world of the Bard's Tale was the same kind of experience I took away from the first 200 hours I put into The Witcher 3 (which by the way was my first contact with the Witcher series).

    So... TW3 Wild Hunt is the recommendation for an old school gamer like me, though it's not an FPS, which I'll note you didn't specify it needed to be FPS.

    Good luck finding that elusive experience.

  71. Red Faction by PhYrE2k2 · · Score: 1

    Red Faction was the most amazing game of that era. It still, to this day, has a huge community and I've seen new maps being made for it. Red Faction was the first game to let you alter your world. Pull out a rocket launcher and play through the wall, floor, ceiling, etc. As you change the environment, it's changed for the rest of the game. The gun selection was fantastic and the LAN play to this day is top notch. Graphics are good on a moderate video card or usable on even a laptop.

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  72. CoD 4 and Battle Field 3 my favs but taste differ. by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

    Welcome back you were expected. I have a 4 second video nobody liked 400K times, the demographics are incredible with that traffic. There are three spikes in ages 36, 55, and 61 when people come back to games.

  73. Single player with strat or story by millertym · · Score: 1

    As I've got older my lust for head to head competition in video games - and effort to become competitive - has diminished greatly.

    I'm finding I enjoy single player games more now that have some real depth to yhier story or solid strategy. Witcher 3 and Stellaris are recent gems. Fallout 4 was fun exploration even if story was weak.

  74. List of PC games that have been beaten by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's a thread I started a couple of years ago for games that people remember beating:
    https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=11328&hilit=beat

  75. Serious Sam series by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Serious Sam games are the best PC shooters for high speed FPS action, although perhaps more in the style of Doom II than Quake--Lots of big fights with lots of dudes against you.

    1. Re:Serious Sam series by Epsilon+Moonshade · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. None of this "taking cover" bullshit - just keep firing until you or the literal thousands of enemies are gone, or run away to wherever that last health pack you saw was.

      I'll suggest Serious Sam 2 though - 1 wasn't -bad-, I just didn't like the level design in a lot of places. YMMV, etc.

  76. The Talos Principle by Leuf · · Score: 1

    Just wanted to second the recommendation for The Talos Principle. It will make you think about more than just solving its puzzles, and some of that may be what you need for the experience to be memorable as an adult. Portal and Portal 2 are also excellent.

  77. Urban Terror by dkman · · Score: 2

    cross platform and free. cant beat that with a stick.
    http://www.urbanterror.info/ho...

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  78. Forget FPS, fly FPV instead. by func · · Score: 1

    Seriously, used to rock a 45 ms ping in Quake back when most players were still on dialup. Boring compared to flying a FPV racing quad via goggles. Check out multicopter on reddit, you'll only use your computer for sim time and 3D printing upgrades.

  79. Lots of new things to try by pcjunky · · Score: 1

    Starseige Tribes is still going. Mech warrior online is a new take on an old classic. Counterstrike (various incarnations). Team Fortress 2 (or just TF2 to those who play it, it's probably the closest to Quake World).

  80. Ballistic Overkill by Wokan · · Score: 1

    The pinnacle of Quake 1 was Mega Team Fortress afaic. Just started playing Ballistic Overkill and I'm having a blast with it. Any game that doesn't need me to fire up wine, VirtualBox, or PlayOnLinux is even better in my book.

  81. Re:I'd probably suggest building your own from a k by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    Naw, I disagree. The shooters tend to be marketed to high end rings only, but there are a lot of games I like that work on my system great. The gamergodz will diasgree but I am not playing in their silly world. Fallout 4 does not need a high end rig, neither does Skyrim, the new Thief reboot, Tomb Raider reboot, all worked great for me. I was not getting 100fps but 30 is good enough to enjoy games if you're not constantly twitching.

    At a certain point your average PC with 8GB and a $100 graphics card became good enough. You no longer needed to upgrade to top end hardware just to play the latest fad. And the game makers like this because the market is so much larger if it's not restricted to only the elites. Don't get the largest resolution monitor you can because that will hurt the performance, and I think this is the primary reason why top end games keep wanting the bigger and badder gfx cards because they want that 4K video.

    And don't play the latest games, they're all crap anyway. Play a 3 to 5 year old game instead, the prices will have dropped.

  82. Best Game Evar! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Daikatana! Spend hours being killed by strangely aggessive mosquitos. You can't leave without your buddy, Superfly!

  83. SPACE...... by Templer421 · · Score: 1

    Wing Commander.

    Xwing VS TIE Fighter.

  84. Old School Gamer by techsoldaten · · Score: 1

    Quake is not an old-school game. Most first person shooters are just prettier versions of the same thing.

    How about Sopwith Camel and Ancient Art of War? The later was the original tower defense game, only there was only one tower.

    1. Re:Old School Gamer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alley Cat!

  85. Yes and No. by bistromath007 · · Score: 1

    Our hobby has grown alot, and in many different directions, and so have you, and so has anyone who will answer you. Lately, gaming has also done something a great deal less common: it has united many different traditions into one modernity. I could show you something that I feel is a revival of the old ways. But my old ways aren't your old ways; four different kinds of console gamer still exist even though only three kinds of console still exist, and the PC is exponentially more riddled with tiny little zeitgeists that got amalgamated into what we have now. At this point if you're playing modern games, even the console/PC distinction only matters when somebody asks you what "retro" looks like.

    My point is this: I could say that a game feels like Quake to me. But I probably didn't get out of it what you did. I only experienced Doom and Quake as shareware until long after they were already retro. I never got the slightest taste of what real multiplayer gaming is like until they put it on the N64, where you could have a whole four people and a ridiculous number of bots. And what if I did get the same thing out of it? Do you have any idea how many of my favorites from 20 years ago I've gone back to and couldn't stand? There was just so much the medium hadn't done yet, you know? I always wait tearful years for remakes of these things to see if the dev team can pull off that strange and rare magic of taking what I loved from the old days and genuinely improving it with what we've learned since then. Almost nobody does it right, because they think the important part is something I don't think is important, or maybe all they modernized is the graphics and the gameplay is still too old-school to be fun, or maybe they're trying to wedge in a stupid new business model, or maybe the idea just doesn't actually work and I come to discover I liked it because I was a stupid kid.

    Home is a time, not a place. You can't play Quake again. I mean... you can. There are source ports of it. Loads of people play it all over the place. For all I know, even the community feels exactly like it used to. Won't you just rediscover why you left the first time? Maybe the reason you left is genuinely that you were too busy, and it'll work just as well as it ever did. So, it can't hurt to try. It probably won't work, though.

    If it doesn't work... get Doom. The one made in 2016. It's called Doom. Yes, I know, that's confusing. I'm sorry. It's basically perfect at giving you the old feeling without being the old thing, to the point that it makes all my hemming and hawing look like bullshit. I don't know how they did it, nobody else has ever done it that well. Maybe they actually made a pact with the Devil?

    Sorry if that was too long, I'm high on cough syrup.

  86. Older and Newer stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In a lot of cases you just need to have a bit of a filter for things. Some of the more recent additions I'd personally recommend (by genre)....

    Strategy:
    XCOM 1 or 2; Best played with mods. (Lower end machines may struggle)

    Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance; In particular check out Forged Alliance forever, as It has a pretty decent community. (Lower end machines may struggle)

    Stellaris - Build a space empire. Great modding support.

    Rimworld - Indie game that's a lot like dwarf fortress(Which I also reccomend) , but set in a sci-fi age. Good mod support.

    Offworld Trading Company

    Sins of a solar empire

    Factorio

    Shooters and whatnot:
    Overwatch - Quick, and casual. Works pretty alright on most machines.

    MechWarrior Online - Anyone familiar with battletech may enjoy this, as they've made significant effort to keep things consistent with lore.

    ARMA 3

    PlayerunknownsBattlegrounds (Referred to as PubG quite frequently)

    Racing games:
    Trackmania - In general a great franchise, it does dip away from the traditional idea of a racing game though.

    MMO's
    In general, this category has lots of things going on, and may not be what you're looking for, unless you are looking for something to sink a lot of time into.

    Planetside 2 - Decent, Relevent, and looks nice too. Its an MMO, so it takes some work to do some things. Its also best played with a group.
    Elder Scrolls Online
    EVE - Can be difficult to get into. (Can be made to run in wine)
    Wurm -

    Action/RPG's
    Mass Effect(1-3) - I'm probably going to catch flack for this, but the whole franchise is pretty solid, best played in order to experience the full story.

    Dragonage - Most of it is pretty good. Has highs and lows. Strong parallels with Lord of the Rings.

    The Witcher (Whole franchise) - Personally, one of my favorites, Witcher 3 in Particular. One of the major ideas behind this game is the concepts of morality and lesser evils. Descisions made in this series feel impactful, and your descisions have effects driving into even the later games.

    The Elderscrolls/Fallout Games - I know its bad to lump these together (As they do extend quite far back). In particular check out Fallout: New Vegas, and Skyrim(One of the best modding communities out there).

    Subnautica - A very interesting game about crashlanding on a foreign ocean world, its mostly about surviving and exploration.

    Minecraft - Worldbuilding sandbox, with a bit of survival thrown in. Mod support is excellent. Also... It runs on most operating systems.

    Dont Starve

    Portal 1 and Portal 2

    Dark Souls (The Series) - Gritty, difficult and unforgiving. Great fun though, as its all the more rewarding for it.

    Divinity (series)

    Warframe

    MOBA's
    DOTA 2
    League of Legends

    A final note on actually grabbing games. In general nearly everything on this list is available on steam. Some of it is available in other places such as GOG or their own relevent sites. Some of these ARE free to play, but most are buy to play.

  87. Perhaps you would like Quake Champions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I haven't played it myself but it seems like a reboot of Quake 3 Arena. Video's reminded me of Q2 and three.

  88. Starcraft Brood Wars, free download, play LAN or o by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Starcraft Brood Wars, free download, play LAN or online. If you type /apm, you'll find your actions per minute are quite low.

  89. Pc game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try trine 1 and 2

  90. Virtual Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The closest modern experience you'll get to the wonder of playing a PC game for the first time, is Virtual Reality. It's intuitive, you don't have to have incredible reaction or coordination, and it's really awe-inspiring when you immerse yourself int the game enough that you forget you're wearing a headset.

  91. generals.io by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been playing generals lately and been having a blast. Matches are short. Twitch reflexes are not required. Mechanics are easy to master.

    http://generals.io/

  92. Overwatch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Overwatch, Overwatch, Overwatch, Overwatch, and Overwatch.

  93. Ton of games! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I haven't played for 5 years, but I'm aware there are ton of games you can play that you'll be happy with.
    I also started playing on 386, 486 PCs back in the 90s, doom being the first game that's more complex than text adventure and the likes.

    Cinematic game examples:
    Fahrenheit (2005), cinematic video game - awesome entertainment.
    Walking Dead (2012), cinematic video game - brilliant

    FPS examples:
    Call of Duty 1, 2 single player missions; great
    bunch of others that I can't remember, not being a FPS fan

    RPG:
    Fallout 3,4
    Dragon Age
    Asassins Creed
    Skyrim ... too many to name...

    Simulation/strategy:
    Cities Skyline (it beats the crap out of anything simcity series had to offer, combined)
    Tropico 4/5

    Dozen of other ones. I unfortunately don't have time right not to play, but when I do ... I'll have 5 years of catching up to do...

    P.S.
    Gta 5.

  94. PUBG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Playerunknown’s Battlegrounds (PUBG) could speak to your Quake heritage, but with a twist towards the Hunger Games.

  95. Windows 10 Solitaire by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    It's almost as fun as Windows 3.1 Solitaire was.

    (Yes, I know, don't ruin it)

  96. Any current preconfectioned gaming PC will do by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    Just get any preconfectioned gaming PC that fits your needs, preferably one that is quiet, small and relatively cheap. MSI and Acer have neat gaming PCs.

    With a ready made system you won't have the hassle of fiddling with current hardware and most hardware today is perfectly sufficient for playing current games at 1080P with regular settings.

    My 2 cents.

    --
    We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
  97. A (programming) game of Space(s) exploration by kruhft · · Score: 1
    Explain:

    https://github.com/BusFactor1I...

    It's a Korn Shell script.

    Check the readme above for a bit more of an explanation. It's fun. And really challenging, even though there's only 3 words and 3 bits to work with on the virtual machine, a 'Seed'. You combine the words together and see if the calculation computes correctly based on your assumption on a non-deterministic machine. It starts out easy, but it get's difficult quickly. Here's the start. Check the github for the rest: #!/bin/ksh DEBUG=t # expect - test your expectations # # BusFactor1 Inc. # 2017 # License: AGPL set +k tee () { echo -n "$1 " /usr/bin/tee $2 } function tri { # execute the next word if x is 1 x=$(

  98. Civilization 4 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great strategy game, lots of complexity and completely appropiate for an older gamer. Forget 5 and 6, tough... dumbified to shit.

  99. I can't believe nobody mentioned yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Forget the triple A corporate shit.
    Darkest Dungeon. If you like a turn based procedurally generated Lovecraft-esque very hard challenge.

    But if you're looking old school, you only need a single game, possibly the best of the last 10 years: The Binding of Isaac. In fact you can play only that for years and still feels fresh and still discover new things.

  100. Still some Arena FPS by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

    Recently, I've been enjoying Toxikk; their tagline is "frag like it's 1999". My one complaint about its single player / campaign mode is that it seems like the difficulties can use some tweaking - enemies either thoroughly ignore your existence, or the next difficulty up, they'll become champion marksmen who never miss...but it's still fun, there is a free version, the only DLC is the paid version, and it supports LAN play if you roll that way.

    Also supporting LAN play, and also costing $0, is Unreal Tournament. Epic Games has moved to a content store model as well as using it as a springboard for engine and dev tools licensing, so the game itself is free. It supports LAN play, the bots are pretty well balanced, and although the map selection is a bit sparse at the moment, they've been consistently adding them as the game has progressed. I've found it to be a bit faster paced than UT2004 or UT3, but about on par with Q3A. Both this and Toxikk greatly benefit from a half decent GPU. While you don't need quad TitanX cards to get a good framerate, I wouldn't recommend either on Intel GPUs.

    From the FOSS department, Alien Swarm is half decent. It lacks the polish of the first two games, and there are relatively few players if you enjoy playing online against randos, but as far as open source games go, and at a cost of $0, I've been pretty happy with it.

    If you're looking for something less twitchy-shooty, the first two Trine games are highly recommended. From indie studio Frozenbyte, these two games are gorgeously animated, have simple-yet-challenging game mechanics, aren't ridiculously long, and are generally enjoyable. While they lack solid replay value due to the puzzles lacking wide varieties of solutions, there's usually at least two and they regularly go on sale on Steam.

    I'll echo other recommendations for Mass Effect as well; though it has its problem spots the characters are wonderful and the trilogy is thoroughly enjoyable and well worth the invested time. Every so often I'll pull up Civ 5; though I'm not very good at it, its complexity keeps my mind working. Batman: Arkham Asylum is also recommended, and if you haven't played Bioshock, it's well worth it. None of these games are 'new', and many haven't aged perfectly in terms of graphics or game mechanics, but the fact that they are still being recommended 5-10 years later shows that there are more than a few redeeming qualities for them.

    When 'real life' doesn't keep me busy, there's no shortage of video games with which a fellow "late 90's / early 00's" fan can find enjoyment.

    1. Re:Still some Arena FPS by marcgvky · · Score: 1

      Bump to Mass Effect. Probably one of the most awesome RP/FPS's ever.

  101. 68yo gamer here, still playing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm 68 years old. I play computer games a lot. Started on minicomputers with adventure and star trek on text-based consoles in the 1970s. Never much of a twitch player, although I've made it on the leaderboard of snake.io a number of times. When graphics became a thing, enjoyed Myst then Riven, The longest Journey, etc. I find single player sandbox/story/quest/puzzle immersive games more enjoyable than the various MMO. Plus living on Social Security I have to be selective about pay to play., etc. MInecraft held my interest for several years, and I still fire it up now and then. Recently it has been Quern the Undying, Obduction, No Mans Sky (mixed feelings, btw) and recently Empyrion - an alpha release on Steam which is a lot of fun. Just keep playing!

  102. Kerbel Space Program by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not an FPS, literally rocket science. Get it on Steam, runs on Linux. Love it.

    1. Re:Kerbel Space Program by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Is it worth building a custom console for Kerbal?

      --
      deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
  103. old school gamer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quake had many aspects, one of the appeals it had was being mod-friendly. Neverwinter Nights is a game you likely missed (2003 release that runs like mad on any modern hardware) and is highly mod-friendly. Hundreds of community made servers exist, all based on D&D rules (3e). All are welcome to join our server or use this information too help you find other servers - http://argentumregio.wikia.com...

    NWN is available from gog.com (you need to go there and see some cool titles really).

  104. standard hipster comment gets 5 on slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cretnious comment gets big score from usual slashdot dribblers...

    Let me PROVE otherwise. One of the first massive movie box-office hits was a primitive black-n-white silent movie of dubious narrative and production values. The audience lapped it up, and enough money was made to launch an industry. 20 yeras later, and no-one wanted to see the film again- things had just moved on too far.

    This has NOTHING to do with being '19' as the original dribbler claimed. It has to do with the concept of RELATIVE experiences. We lauded each stage of computer game development, from vector space war, to pong- thru space invaders, all the way to the Witcher 3 because at each stage what we had was amazing by the standards of the time. We weren't naive young fools.

    Today, REAL FPS gamers (not the 'look at me' types) can still play Quake (which just had its biggest and most advanced level yet released a few days back) and enjoy it- but they are also aware of its shortcoming today. It runs like smoke at insane refresh rates, but the shooting mechanisms are now rather primitive. And the SCG 'blocky' environments, while unique, are at the same time rather limiting.

    Dribblers like to 'hipster up' themselves by reminding us what they once used, but then gave up. Anyone give the time of the day to such bores are even more of a bore themselves.

    Computer games have never been better or more diverse than today. The FREE engines that Unity, Unreal, Crytek provide allow even small poor teams to do amazing work (witness the hit of the year- Battlegrounds). While hipster half-wits say "it was better in my day", actual gamers are too busy gaming.

    PS to answer the original question, let me first say "try not to frame it like a lame hipster". Games have evolved, but the fun using the games that work for you is just the same. Playerunknown Battlegrounds should be the 'go to' for the pure player vs player shooting experience. But if you need to be a graphics 'whore' shooter, then it should be battlefield or COD games. But the true gamer is open minded, and thus will try any game genre that is currently excelling. Every gamer should at leat give the open world masterpieces a try- like Skyrim and Witcher 3- because if you end up getting these games you will be truly blown away.

    Shooters have the problem of a limited framework- better graphics tends to be less releveant. You missed Battlefield 2 and Wolfenstein:Enemy Territory- two astonishing examples of the team based shooters. Today isn't a golden age for shooters.

  105. Hipster Dribble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only hipster dribblers and half-wits use mobile phones for anything BUT phone functions.

    Most early PC games were utter jokes thrown together in a few months by a couple of kids. Doom and the 'build' engine (duke nukem 3d etc) raised the industry by creating reusable engine frameworks that could both take new data sets AND be incrementally improved. id ended up doing this while 3D Realms cynically cash grabbed, choosing to screw over the kid that created the 'build' engine.

    For TRUE open world gamers, seeing titles like Fallout 4 and Witcher 3, and knowing how they evolved from free mods for the Quake engine is the most mind-blowing and exciting thing.

    Quake came from the floating point division power of Intel's first Pentium CPU, allowing the perspective mapping algorithm to be approximated in software- but just over a year later 3DFX provided the first consumer graphic card that could do TRUE 3d perspective mapping in hardware.

    I'd challenge anyone reading this to go look up the specs of today's Voodoo equivalent (3dFX card)- the 580 or 1060- and see how far the industry has come. I recall installing the first mod to add 'rain' to a quake level. And i never forget that as a watch rain slowly puddle on the ground in GTA V.

    The origins of computer gaming were amazing, but as shallow as a puddle. We were lucky we didn't know better back then. Today computer games are truly amazing- not simply because they are novel. What would you say to a dribbler who tried to tell you the movie industry was over once people saw the old silent black-n-white short of a train approaching the screen- and that Star Wars is a waste of time in comparison? But that's what hipster dribble mea_culpa is saying about games.

  106. Wrong- you lose to cheaters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'Old' folk like you (I'm older in years but otherwise younger than you where it matters) are so out-of-touch you fail to understand that the trend of online play is massive cheating using bot software that sees you and aims at you unfairly.

    I didn't like online pvp shooters like quake 3 when much younger cos the real fanatics were so very very good. That wasn't down to 'reflexes' as lamers like to quote, but the fact that such games rewarded extreme practice- and I was simply too casual. But I played team shooters instead- horses for courses.

    PS Battlegrounds has exploded because it a PSYCHOLOGICAL shooter. You choose your tactic and make it work for you. Reactions yes, but patience and strategy if you wish. Pure twitch shooters will always be owned by the 1%, and if you don't like that- avoid.

    PS you can have fun playing twitch shooters if you ensure the other players are at the same level as yourself. I mean would you play casual 'soccer' if everyone else on the field was a pro? of course not.

  107. Don't skip the games so good they ended their type by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Over the years there have been a handful of games that were of such quality (and often size of content) that subsequent games would compare unfavorably to them, and the genre would die out (at least for a time). Most of these games still hold up today, and are easily available from GOG.com without hassle.

    RTS: Total Annihilation

    Space-based shooter: Freespace 2

    Robot-based combat: Mechwarrior 2

    First person sneaker: Thief 2

    4X Game: Master of Orion 2

    Adventure game: Lucasarts Games (ie: Curse of Monkey Island and Grim Fandango)

    Strategy-RPG (at least on PC): Heroes of Might and Magic III

    Tactical FPS: SWAT 4

    First Person Survival horror: System Shock 2

  108. go to twitch and check them out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    theres people playing there, its easy to figure out which ones interest you as long as you know your own interests

    for example, you seem to like arena shooters, well you should know exactly the characteristics of an arena shooter that you like. Just watch some gameplay and try to find something, if the current game of the moment is not something you like (the new quake champions is a turd) just figure out what were people playing a year ago (quake live) and you are set because people are going to be still there since the new one is a turd

    it could not be easier

    so go to steam, get quake live, and you are set
    and if you want to get frustrated, go try the beta for quake champions, the game that its not overwatch (thank god) but it aint quake either
    and if you want to get hypefrustrated, get the beta for unreal tournament and enjoy yet another netcode disaster

    you could also try some non arena shooter, but those i warn you are PACKED FULL OF CHEATERS

  109. Porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go on porn websites

  110. Bullshit. by Grog6 · · Score: 1

    I'm still playing Q3 on raspberry pi with the interns, and my skills haven't diminished any.

    Playing on pc is even more unfair to controller users. :)

    IMHO, The only current game worth playing is Doom; it's progression system is terrible, but there's a great single player, and Arcade mode is great.

    All it really needs to succeed is for them to release a dedicated server, and real level making tools in the old style.

    I want the old maps; TLTF and Morbias Station. :)

    We still play Q2 and Unreal tournament on LAN, on PI and PC, lol.

    Crysis 3 is pretty dead now, but it was fun as single player and multiplayer.

    I still run a Duke Nukem Forever server some weekends; Red light district is still fun.

    --
    Truth isn't Truth - Guliani
  111. Mech Games by NoZart · · Score: 1

    Ex-q3 pro here. I played q3 for about 12 years, compensating the rising loss of reflexes with strategy and knowledge for a time. Now i am 42 and i have moved on from Arena FPS. What really works for me now are Mech-Games. They are FPS, too, but the deliberate slowness and higher armour make the contest even more tactical and teambased, so that's my stable for old horses :)

  112. Riven, Diablo 3, WoW, Stanley Parable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you stopped at Quake, then you probably missed out on Riven (stop there!). Modern games like Stanley Parable are fun but short lived. I've been playing Diablo 3 for close to 3 or 4 years now. Never gets old.

    Want to really lose your nut? Hop into WoW for a few weeks. If you're an old-timey gamer and have yet to see WoW, it'll knock your socks off. Kids today take it for granted, but I'm a gamer since the early 80's (I recieved Zork I for christmas in 1982) and WoW was the game I dreamed about for decades.

  113. A couple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am in the same boat. Thank me later.

    CS:GO is the current end all be all FPS like Quake was in its day.
    Overwatch is good if you have friends to play with.
    Quake Champions Beta just came out on steam.

  114. Some good indies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well. You mentioned Quake. I guess the first game to pop up would be DOOM (2016)
    There's also Unreal Tournament, which has a new Free2Play version at the moment if you want multiplayer more.

    However, I would recommend a few indie games.
    Fez (2D-3D platformer that'll mindf*** your sense of space and direction)
    Braid (Time-bending 2D platformer with quite cool story and aesthetics, essentially a puzzle game though)
    Bastion, and Transistor (cool 2D actionRPG style games with good music and aesthetics)

  115. Same Question, one proviso: Go! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can I ask the exact same question as our poster -- I'm an old school person, long removed from early happy gaming years -- but with one extra criterion:: instant playability. Are there any modern games you can just sit down and play with and start to have fun with, without having to learn more than half an hour's worth of stuff? And without spending hours and hours learning and failing? And then leave a while, forget, return to, and not have to start over?

    My iPhone has, in recent years, offered over-simple things, like Flight Control, Doodle Jump, Cut The Rope - but is there a middle ground, games you can pick up really quickly, that open out into larger, PC-scale worlds/games, with so few controls that you can learn quick, forget quick, and come back a month later and still have a clue/chance?

  116. Old School Gaming Updated w/Doomsday Engine by HiloJoe · · Score: 1

    If you want to experience the old Doom games 'modernized', try playing them with the Doomsday Engine. Updated Lighting, 3D character modeling, sky, music, and sound. Hacx and Chexquest WADs too.. ( dengine.net )

  117. Nothing, because they just don't make 'em like the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I disagree with almost all the posts here. Graphics have improved, stories have gone both directions, but the overall fun and gameplay have been reduced in favor of a more "immersive" single player experience. The magic of the little bit older games was that factor of fun that kept going and going. It wasn't wonder. Games were focused more on the 15 minutes of fun stretched through an entire night with friends. That was also the era that really ran with multiplayer. Almost no games are multiplayer anymore. You may argue that all kinds of games are multiplayer now. They're not. Multiplayer games involve people on the same couch. Teams playing together, together. Not separate people playing in separate homes being a "team" because AI matchmaking said they are.

    The OP is looking for something that doesn't exist anymore in games, because personal interaction isn't part of games anymore.

    Those of you arguing with that are too young to know what you're talking about.

  118. Don't Starve by ichifish · · Score: 1

    As an older-but-not-too-old gamer who can only hack SP FPS on slow mode, I've moved on to Don't Starve, a gothic horror/survival crafting roguelike. It's got the occasional thrill of FPS with a lot of down time spent on collection, planning, and exploring.

  119. Not FPS, but no one mentions Civ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, it's a bit weird that folks are mentioning some non-FPS, but not Civ. No KoToR either?

    I get my FPS kicks from CSS. Old school Italy kills in aps.

  120. games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    here something unique for all of you that will give you the lot of excited games. all the games are very interesting http://ninjagamesonlineplay.co...

  121. Unreal Tournment 2004, Onslaught Mode by PJ6 · · Score: 1

    I know it's not quite modern any more, but if you loved fragging people online with Quake, this is probably one of the best games you'll ever play.

  122. Casuals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're going to play a shooter play something more realistic.

    Red orchestra 2/Rising storm
    Rising storm 2
    Verdun
    Insurgency
    Day of infamy

    Also the people bitching about micro-transactions and DLC but then recommending Elite Dangerous. I really can't tell if you are stupid or just enjoy half a game. (To be fair what I did play of it was fun, needing to drop over one hundred bucks to unlock game functions made me return it.)

  123. Seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop. This is stupid. There are so many FPS shitfests out there, you can't load up Steam without an FPS smacking you on the penis. If you can't find something that fits your tastes, the problem is you. No need for stupid boring stories. "Hey, guys..once..I..I played video games. Are they still a thing?"

  124. Shadowrun by maelkum · · Score: 1

    If you liked the original SNES Shadowrun [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadowrun_(1993_video_game)] you can try the Shadowruns from Harebrained Studios - they are turn based RPGs in a cyberpunk setting.

    The first one (Shadowrun Returns: Dead Man's Switch) is kinda "meh", after you have played the other two, but as a first game in the series it is OK.

    The third one (Shadowrun Returns: Kong Kong) is good, although the story is a bit too slow-paced at times.

    And, last but not least, the second instalment: Dragonfall. This is perfection. The story is great, the characters memorable, the setting awesome. Try to unravel a mystery related to a dead dragon, while navigating Berlin as the anarchistic Flux State... Man, that is some quality game. I can't recommend it enough! Here's a link: https://www.gog.com/game/shado...

  125. Don't play, watch others play instead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am in a similar age bracket, I started watching let's play and twitch streams as a method to check out a game I was interested in before buying it myself. That worked really well and let me get a feel for the gameplay that felt more honest than produced gameplay trailers. I used to be an FPS gamer but my skills started sucking and now I find I tend to enjoy watching twitch streams more than actually playing the games myself. The personality of the streamer makes the boring parts more entertaining...and the fun parts are entertaining by themselves. Playerunknown's Battle Grounds is a great example of this. In PUBG you drop into a map, scramble to loot weapons, then start trying to survive as the viable area of the map shrinks over time. The first few moments are action packed if multiple people start at the same place...but then there is a lull while everyone loots up that is perfect for a streamer to interact with chat and display some personality to liven up the boring bits...then when the area of the map gets small and every choice has more impact, the game becomes the interesting bit and holds your attention.

    If you do end up playing the game yourself, streamers and videos of the gameplay are still a great discovery device and you might pick up some useful tips while deciding which game to snag. Good Luck.

  126. Unreal Tournament is being updated by smbell · · Score: 1

    I also played Quake quite a bit until I migrated to Unreal Tournament. As much as I hate the fact that UT is being redone with the same name as the original, it does seem to be recapturing a lot of the old feel with a modern game. It's still early alpha, but I've found it rather enjoyable so far. https://www.epicgames.com/unre...

  127. "INSIDE" by mutherhacker · · Score: 1

    Reminiscent of Flashback (Delphine Software)

  128. My Recommendations by chimpion · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately, the vast majority of modern PC games are not a good fit for old school gamers. There were some very profound changes that took place in the 2000s that changed the nature of mainstream PC gaming. Back in the 80s and 90s, PC games were on average very sophisticated in terms of their gameplay. This was because not many people owned PCs, and even fewer played games on them. This audience was intelligent and demanded interesting and stimulating entertainment. Likewise, game developers of that time were small companies or individuals who genuinely loved the medium and worked in it to produce art.

    In 2000s, both of those things changed. Everyone had PCs then, and the audience expanded to include all sorts of people, such as soccer moms, casual players, and so on. At the same time, games became cross-platform between PC and the consoles, so that the audience also included a lot of younger players. Whereas the old school PC audience might resemble a book club, the new one was essentially the general population.

    Around the same time, games moved to 3D, partook in physics and voice-overs, and generally became significantly more expensive to make. This resulted in a shift from smaller enthusiast developers to large corporations running everything, such as EA, Activision, and Ubisoft.

    The end result of both of these changes is that when you have corporations which are not interested in games per se at all, but only in making larger profits from them, and a mainstream audience with fairly low-brow tastes, games being produced will become significantly less sophisticated and interesting. You can see this in every genre. Shooters and action games that used to feature massive non-linear levels with interactive gameplay have devolved into linear cinematic corridor slogs. MMOs that used to experiment with social systems are now static themeparks. Single player RPGs that used to be complex and required significant player agency are now without fail states, and simply lead the player around with their quest compasses and on-rails gameplay.

    Now, with the depressing history lesson over, all is not hopeless. Despite the overall decline of the industry, there are some excellent new titles, mostly from independent developers, but occasionally even from an outlying big company.

    Witcher 3 - This single player RPG released in 2015 features many of the problems with modern games. It has a huge amount of cut-scenes, and the gameplay can often be too easy and non-interactive. Despite that, it is still an amazing game worthy of playing. The quality of writing, quests, lore, and characters is on a different level from most games, the world is huge and amazing, and on harder difficulty settings, even the combat system can be quite fun.

    7 Days to Die - An early access title on Steam (meaning it's still technically in Alpha), this is an amazing game, and is probably the culmination of all the survival type games out there. It captures the best of games like Minecraft, Terraria, and many others, and then goes way beyond to create a sandbox that old school players can appreciate and play in for hundreds of hours.

    Dwarf Fortress - This game has been in development since 2002, and will likely be in development for another 20 years of so. It is already the deepest, most complex game ever made. Do not let the ASCII nature of it deter you, there are graphical tilesets available, and one of the modders in the community is working on a 3D front-end in Unity. This game might at some point become the greatest one of them all. It aims to simulate the entirety of random fantasy worlds. Think of it like this, imagine your favorite fantasy book (let's say Lord of the Rings or A Song of Ice and Fire), and when Dwarf Fortress is complete, it should be able to procedurally simulate any event in that book. Yeah...

  129. Zork Anthology by marcgvky · · Score: 1

    As an aging computer nerd that grew up with a TRS Model 3 and IBM PC-XT... I'm going to recommend the Zork Anthology. It's around $6 US on Steam. It comes packages with a DOS emulator. It's blast from the past!

  130. Factorio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's ostensibly a survival game (with the McGuffin goal of launching a rocket) where the focus is on automating the production of various items.

    It has nearly universal acclaim from all player reviews on Steam, for a reason.

    Also natively available for Linux.