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Foreign Students Have Begun To Shun the United States (axios.com)
In a potential threat to future U.S. innovation, new international enrollment at U.S. colleges is down for the first time in more than a decade, according to a new report. From the report: It is the first hard sign that the Trump administration's rhetoric may be frightening away some of the world's best and brightest who traditionally have been drawn to settle and work in the U.S. Why it matters: "The Chinese whiz kid, if he can find a way to America, he'll come here. If you're good, you can make a lot of money," Anthony Carnevale, director of Georgetown University's Center on Education and the Workforce, tells Axios. "That whole set of incentives has always been tied to the immigrant stream, and we're severing that connection." By the numbers: The findings are from the Institute of International Education's annual Open Doors report and its smaller joint "snapshot" report on international enrollment. It found that new international student enrollment dropped by 3.3% for the 2016-2017 academic year, and by a far higher 6.9% in the Fall 2017 semester.
I'm sure it has nothing to do with the exploding cost of education, it must be all Trump's fault.
the Trump administration's rhetoric may be frightening away some of the world's best and brightest
Complete and absolute bullshit.
If all these people are so smart, the "best and brightest", then why are their home countries a gigantic cesspool of filth, poverty, illiteracy, crime, violence and general misery?
if these people are so smart why do they have to come to the U.S.? Why don't they have companies and universities that are just as good as the U.S.?
This has nothing to do with "talent" or "best and brightest". It's a bunch of people who come from a background of poverty and are happy to work for low wages. And drag the rest of us down with them.
It's the fact that as a nation, we as a people would ELECT Trump, knowing what a mockery of a human being he was, and continues to be.
I mean, there's lessons to be learned - but hardly a motivation to go INTO this insane land to learn them.
Good now maybe the American students can actually start learning as there are fewer bad accent Teaching Assistants...
We tried globalism. It meant that everyone else was more important than we were, and had a claim to raiding what we produced for themselves. It also made us the world bad guys as we tried to keep order.
Let us instead focus on fixing our own failing society, and let the rest of the world take care of itself.
If our education system ran off of immigrant dollars, that was never sustainable or good, and we should celebrate its departure.
Alternative Right.
To us over here, going to the US now is like going to Germany in 1937 or something.
- I don't want to end up in a concentration camp ("black site") when flying over.
- Nor do I want to be anally fisted at touchdown. (The 9/11 terrorists did not land, now did they?)
- Or live among hyperselfish pschopaths. (I am basing this statement on research.)
- Or risk dying because I do not have $500,000 for a pill or simple operation.
- Or pay $500,000 to get an education that is free in my country.
Yes those are hyperboles. ... Sometimes. :P
There are far too many.
The one thing the US gains short term by foreign exchange students is money for tuition, reshall expenses, and so on. However, every foreign national educated here means one spot taken from a US citizen. To boot, when the foreign national graduates, they take their knowledge back to where they came from, and compete with Americans for jobs and business.
A drop of the amount of foreign students coming to learn on US soil may not be an overarching bad thing. Americans already have it tough paying for college, much less competing against those whose government covers that, so this may be a blessing in disguise.
As a Canadian, go Trump. This will reverse decades of brain drain.
Attracting the best students is critical to fueling the research that allows for dominance in any field. The US is temporarily killing its future success for the sake of backward and troll-inspired idiocy.
And as we close the door ever tighter against the rest of the world, they'll discover that they don't really need us, anyhow. They'll walk right past us and wonder how it ever was that people used to risk their lives to come here.
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We need the brightest people we can get from everywhere in the world. Making the path easy and affordable for the best foreign scholars makes good sense. Every week we see major breakthroughs in science and technology announced from American research universities. Usually we see teams of three or so scholars being credited with the work and almost always the foreign names dominate the announcements. We need these people. What we do not need is an idiotic congress and senate being paid to accomplish nothing who are simply paid off traitors by special interests.
Good schools should be USA first and not foreigners on a full ride that pay way more then USC's and get first in line.
You are correct. The US was utterly insane, loong before Trump.
I mean that whole "Redirecting travelers to Guantanamo Bay because $prejudice" literally put you on the same level as North Korea, Stalin's Russia and that other country in Europe that used to put certain groups very tightly together in some kind of storing area ... I have it on ze tip of my tongue...
Pajeet and Wang can fuck off to their own shitholes and stop shitting up our country!
It's more likely the autistic screeching from the losers and the incredibly biased media coverage that is affecting the attractiveness of the USA. .
Yesterday the FBI released their hate crime figures. About 50% of the increase in hate crimes (which have fallen about 45% in 20 years) have been in anti-white crimes.
But you wont hear that from the media in the US or anywhere else.
As an outsider looking in, I can clearly see that while Trump is a boorish man and quite ridiculous, he looks reasonable compared to his critics.
Perhaps this will motivate our politicians to improve our education system so that it produces a better, smarter workforce.
Since Trump's election I intentionally avoid al business (or holiday) travel to the US. At least we Europeans got to vote with our wallet. No need to support corrupt politicians, and their hateful followers. Many other pretty places in the world to visit and make friends.
Beyond Trump, maybe it's the general mood of Trump-haters and angry activists of all kinds versus Trump supporters and angry defenders of all kinds.
Why come to a country where everyone is angry all the time?
Why come to a country where no one can ever be happy?
Why come to a country where all the stories are about catastrophic environmental destruction?
Who wants to come here to be told they're a victim every day based on something that happened before they were born in their own country?
Why come to a country where succeeding financially is considered evil?
Why would a young person join a group that only talks about historic grievances and never about future opportunities?
Why come to a country where the leaders and entertainers and celebrities all seem to be among the worst examples of humanity?
Why not go to a country with good people and a good social atmosphere instead?
I agree! This was the whole point of many universities that were created in various states - to educate the people of the said state. Each foreigner they enroll takes a seat away from a student from that state. But a university gets more money from a foreigner than a domestic student. So, of course, they are more interested in foreign students - more money to get into the pockets of the university administration and professors, etc. It is all about the money - they do not care about the people of the state these days that pay for the university with their taxes.
Put up walls, block out the rest of the world. It means you're limiting your society's access to knowledge and resources to those that are available inside those walls. This means you tend to develop socially and technologically at a slower pace than larger populations, and you tend to grow xenophobic which makes future interactions with the rest of the world more likely to be unfavorable.
Obviously the US isn't disconnected from the world entirely, but you guys certainly seem determined to blow up as many bridges as you can.
You tried putting anyone else before you Americans ...
YEAH FUCKING RIIGHT.
Look around you. Every bombed oil place and every country where you meddled in to a level that countless died (which is *every* country) is laughing at you for saying that.
The problem has alway been what was shown on stidiea comparing US studenta to humans throughout the world: You are *insanely* selfish psychopaths!
So have fun doubling down on what now brought you to fall.
I'm sure it will make things not even worse!
We'll be over here, as social beings, sharing our popcorn. ^^
Universities and the like have to shoulder some of this burden as well. Anyone looking at the news lately likely sees most universities here as war zones dominated by violent protesters and fragile snowflakes who cry about everything. Combine with that the ever rising tuition rates, and universities have made themselves increasingly unattractive to everyone, let alone foreign students.
Or people are getting fed up with the SJW stupidity that has taken over at U.S. universities. I don't blame foreigners for staying away, even if their local schools aren't any better in that regard. The appeal of the U.S. used to be that truth and science mattered more than the supposed hurt feelings of unnamed individuals within the loudest groups that claim for themselves the most victimhood. Now you're shouted down if you dare to question the prevailing snowflake mentality.
If diversity of ideas and free speech are now foreign concepts at U.S. universities, then their appeal is significantly diminished. The fact that Americans has chosen a blowhard for their current president has no bearing on that at all.
"I could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot someone, and people would still vote for me."
That, ladies and gentlemen, is the kind of man the people of the United States freely, willingly and knowingly chose as their President. That actually says a lot more about the people of the United States than about Trump himself.
Can you blame anyone in the rest of the civilized world for being freaked out by the fact that half the people of the country he's supposed to go live in for a few years clearly show signs of serious mental health issues ?
If our education system ran off of immigrant dollars, that was never sustainable or good, and we should celebrate its departure.
I suspect that any celebration of the departure of your education system will ultimately turn out to be a very short-lived one once the consequences of not having one start to hit home.
Ditto.
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President Trump wins again!
After all, this is US. The rest is just THEM.
Well, you could always fund education from taxes, but that would be socialism (ducks)
i think Trump's agenda has had little impact on how/what is taught at elite liberal campus' the world over, but now that they've shown their true colours ... students are reconsidering the liberal endoctrination
I still read the alumni magazine my alma mater sends me. I read about amazing students and professors doing great things in their chosen fields and even starting businesses. Usually those businesses are in the US employing Americans.
And quite often these people come from other continents..
The school I went to is looking for the best students they can get and if they come from a foreign land that's okay. In fact, I'd be upset if they told some prospective student who was intelligent and had a good work ethic that they couldn't be admitted because they already had too many foreigners.
We should want smart immigrants who are willing to work for an education to come here. My ancestors just a few generations back were immigrants and yours probably were too.
Of course we could turn these students away along with all their potential. Maybe they'll go to Canada or Europe or maybe they'll start their own universities in Asia or South America or Africa which in a few decades will make our schools look merely average or worse because we told the best students to stay out of our country.
Americans need to wake up to the fact that they've squandered their dominance of innovation and the rest of the world is now moving on with out them.
Blame it on Trump if it makes you feel better, but this comes as no surprise to the rest of us.
of Americans, don't those numbers mean that hate crimes rose more for non-whites?
I mean even if just 50% of people are white, and hate-crimes rose, and 50% of the additional crimes were against whites, that would mean an exact proportional balance.
Lol, congratulations on the dumbest misuse of statistics I've seen in a long time. ^^
I don't think there is any political system in the world that allows the 'best and the brightest' to rise to the top and run things in a way that benefits from their superior way of viewing the world.
There are far more important reasons for that than corruption. We don't all agree on who the "best and brightest" are and we certainly do not all agree that their views are superior. Then there is the fact that the even those whom you think are the best and brightest may not want to go into politics because they usually have a good job that they enjoy and are unwilling to give it up for the uncertainty of elections and the type of job they will have if they do win.
Conflating the number of foreign students to politics is bad statistics. For this statement to be made there would have to be a representative sample of students polled to find out that the reason they are not coming for education in America is caused by TRUMP. Quit guessing and find out the real reason. I may not like TRUMP but I cannot see how education relates to his policies other that secretary DEVOS. There has been no change to what it takes to be a citizen or to the qualifications for a student visa from places like China, Western Europe and India. This post is FAKE.
Sounds like you are jealous of those who are smarter and better prepared than you.
Most of the time when someone "run things in a way that benefits from their superior way of viewing the world" they end up in conflict with the Constitution.
The Best way isn't always the Right way.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
Except that if you look at a cross section of foreign students, they aren't always the 'best and the brightest' and come here for any number of reasons. Some believe they will be getting the best education at a certain institution and others may do it for prestige or perhaps as a path to citizenship. There are probably numerous reasons that I haven't mentioned but without looking at who is coming here and why the gross statistic doesns't tell us very much.
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I'd say it's probably the latter. See, whiz kids get scholarships. Even the international ones can get scholarships and stipends.
Fu Er Dai (kids of nouveau riche) however, need to pay full price, and often do it with a newly bought American house paid in full with cash by their parents. Now, with US housing prices at historical highs, coupled with the Chinese economy cooling off, not as many families find it a good investment.
Add to this the growing perception that overseas degrees aren't worth all that much (mainly due to the fact that every dumber-than-a-brick Fu Er Dai has gotten one), and you can easily find explanations to the dip in numbers without alluding to Trump's rhetoric. And that's even without pointing out the fact that the trend started before last year's election.
your thin skin doesn't make me a troll
I happen to be white, male, and in one of 2nd world countries, where US higher education used to be considered something "elite".
I also believe one of frequent forms of schizophrenia is confusion about own sexuality, and denial to even discuss trying to diagnose it in people, who claim to be "born of wrong gender" is doing them a severe disservice
I believe mass influx of Muslim immigrants to western countries is dangerous to the western culture.
I believe Blacks are not doing enough to combat violent elements in their own society, concentrating too much on creating positive image instead of ensuring the stereotypes are completely baseless.
I believe Antifa are fanatical violent thugs.
Even if I could afford an US college, I definitely couldn't afford the US hospital bills if my opinions were made known among the students.
This is definitely not Trump's doing.
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As someone who works at a university, I assure you, US students already are preferred - that's the law and it's just cheaper [no visa hassles] to deal with US students. International student's don't qualify for Federal financial aid either. The only undergraduate internationals we want are the full-pay students.
The problem, and this is especially acute at the graduate level, is that U.S. student's don't want to work too hard. Given the choice between STEM graduate degrees and MBA's, the U.S. students are opting for the MBA's. You got a Chinese TA in class because no one in the U.S. wanted the job.
We just did a faculty hire in physics. Based on surnames and whatever information was in the resume, we estimated that only a third of our applicants were from the U.S. The rest were born outside this country and came here for school. That's the current reality of higher ed.
We don't need no smart foreigners, we got Trump - he's the smartest guy in the room - just ask him, he'll tell you! He's so smart he can do the thinking' for all of us and have brain cells to spare!
Americans hate social studies. And I found out how that started:
It started, when the consensus among studies in the field became, that when comparing Americans to the rest of the world, they are insane hyper-selfish psychopaths.
And that does not even include the schizophrenia epidemic. (Religiousness is another word for schizophrenia.)
Nor that half the students in the US officially pop hard prescription drugs like candy, and the other half does it with the illegal equivalent.
That's the best outcome. Who can say America deserves to be world leader anymore? It's a cruel arrogant country that heartily enjoys bullying the world. The best revenge would be the world passing up the hated oppressors and rendering them impotent, left to stew on their own continent. No more bombing, no more ridiculous IP patent system to lock up ideas, no more police brutality and racism. It's for the best.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
... or they end up doing brilliant research in the US, that American finance, law, and public relations majors are unwilling to do, furthering the cause of science, making money for US companies, helping humanity, and maybe teaching the next generation of US students. Like it or not, a lot of our innovators were immigrants.
First of all, this article has a very biased viewpoint.
Foreign students have begun to shun the United States
That is stating that foreign students are making the choice to not attend schools in the United States. The data says no such thing. It is likely the same number of students desire to be educated in the United States as before, but there there are other factors that stand in their way (like having to enter the country through the legal processes).
Further, the article states "worth noting" (IE if they didn't state it they would be too blatantly guilty of expressing their bias without proper facts) that the big schools are affected "much less" than smaller schools that do not have Ph.D. programs. So considering the "best and brightest" are usually those seeking Ph. D. programs at the bigger schools, well, this isn't affecting the "best and brightest" at all.
The effect was much more pronounced in the Midwest and Texas, she said, especially at schools without Ph.D. programs, and at community colleges.
Ahh, now we get to the truth of it. This is about illegal immigrants from Mexico, which were attending smaller schools like community colleges. Isn't this to be expected? If it is harder to illegally enter the United States, and immigrants actually have to follow the policies that have been in place for decades, then less immigrants will be coming in, and thus we would see a drop in foreign enrollment at these kinds of smaller colleges in that specific region of the country.
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Kids are avoiding Mizzou and other activist infested hot spots because of tightened screening for a handful of Middle Eastern countries, raised H1B restrictions, and illegal immigration policies which don't affect them.
Suuuuuuure.
Being an immigrant is not a great way of life: even if you are willing to integrate like chinese are, even though the society is welcoming for you as the USA are, you will never master the language, master the rules, master the mindset,
Here in France there has been a deep modification of the society to be more welcoming to the immigrants; this went as far as lowering the level of French needed to pass exam; giving universal healthcare even to illegals; or that the illegals are never sent back. And I noticed this trend in the USA also: when I was there in 2000 being illegals would have made you blacklisted for 10 years, but no more under Obama rule.
Trying to be a migrant society is making citizens as strangers in their own country while failing to address completly the issue for migrants. It is basically a race to the bottom.
So I welcome a World with chinese living well in China, or Indians in India.
Let the USA be an example for the whole World; and for that you don't need to force people immigrating there.
"As someone who works at a university, I assure you, US students already are preferred - that's the law and it's just cheaper [no visa hassles] to deal with US students. International student's"
By your apostrophe plural, I assume you're working as the janitor?
This is a great comment. Unfortunately, I posted about global warming once and never got any points back again, so I can't mod your post up myself.
Now I laugh. Because that irony is hilarious.
Yeah, knowledge barriers indeed!
You should go all the way, and start a religion!
You're researching schools because you want to study well and succeed.
Are you put off by:
A). What Trump said about illegal immigrants from Mexico and about Muslims?
or
B). Viral, million view videos of activists storming libraries, disrupting campus, screaming at professors, screaming at fellow students?
Now imagine yourself as a parent who will be footing the bill. Are you put off by the former or the latter?
your thin skin doesn't make me a troll
Reading the posts here just seems like a perfect picture of today's divided USA. Like all the Trump followers, I sense the descent of the US empire, just that they blame it on foreigners and I see it in the inability of Trump followers to grasp the reason of the power the US had for about a century. It was the center of the world in terms of science and talent. And in fact they did not get Nobels because they ended up in US, that is a pretty stupid point of view. Just check the roster of most top Universities.
What US controls is ::::). It really doesnt make sense though, spend more than you earn, and just print the rest.
1. Massive military leadership (which probably China will challenge soon, and lends a lot to science leadership)
2. Ability to keep dollar as the international trade currency (it does it through military means if needed. What is that great friendship to saudi royal family anyways
3. Science leadership which the protectionists try to demolish.
No leading nation kept it forever throughout history. It seems US has its turn about to be over. I actually hope it doesnt happen soon. There are more evil nations out there waiting to get the lead. Lets wait for the next election and see what happens.
I don't like Trump at all but I think American Colleges and Universities need to be for Americans first and foremost. I am not xenophobic but I am definitely not in favor of throwing the doors wide open to foreigners at the expense of citizens wanting a college education. I feel the same way about the importation of labor when we have the labor domestically to address industry needs. And, in the few cases where we do not, there should be programs to invest in the domestic labor force. The importation of labor is not about a lack of skills in the domestic labor pool, it's about foreigners accepting substantially less money to perform a task. Often they will accept offerings that are substantially below market value.
"every foreign national educated here means one spot taken from a US citizen" - you really have a fixed number of students per year that fills up? Sounds like a case for opening another university
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You've got to be shitting me. I've been reading slashdot over 15 years now, and this incursion of progressive editors is pissing me off.
My brother studied in the US 2 years ago at a University, and he quit and returned to our home country because of the political correctness and the forced indoctrination. He subsequently read 1984 at my recommendation after explaining his experiences to me, and he said there's no doubt that it's a documentary at this point.
Why would anyone subject themselves to that at the insane costs associated with staying in the US? And it directly impacts the quality of your education, because you're forced to attend these moronic events that tell you that you're a problem, instead of actually studying.
And don't just count the cost of your universities, there's also the cost of hospital bills, which are just mindboggling.
Guess it's time to remove slashdot from the bookmarks bar. Every day there is another one of these non-stories. Not even submitted by a reader, but fabricated from useless emotions by an editor with no sense of his own culpability for the state of society.
And by "state of society", I mean the level of victimhood, crying and useless outrage, and lack of intellectual truth in the political discourse. Not the "amount of racism", or "hatred espoused by Trump", both of which are, for all intents and purposes, at a level of zero. The reason people think it isn't, is because of editors like msmash and BeauHD, who promote these stories.
Hackernews isn't as bad, but the trend is turning towards progressive political correctness there as well.
"Education is too expensive, but would be even more expensive if it wasn't for foreign students"
Since when does high demand for anything result in lower prices? I guess you could argue that high demand causes more efficient competitors to enter the field and thereby reducing costs - that happens pretty much everywhere except education.
Education is a labor-intensive thing - largely immune to automation and other cost-cutting techniques used in other industries. More demand for education will raise the price - Econ 101.
Reduced demand for college/university education might actually help make the cost of these programs more affordable for the middle-class.
US Students should get first priority to attend US Colleges and Universities. It's appalling to qualified see US citizens denied access to higher education when the classrooms and dorms are filled with foreigners.
I get it... I guess I'm bigoted because foreigners want to exploit what we have built.
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...U.S. student's don't want to work too hard. Given the choice between STEM graduate degrees and MBA's, the U.S. students are opting for the MBA's.
US students who went to government schools probably got a mediocre education from mediocre people who spend their days going through the motions waiting for summer and retirement. When did US students ever see educated people as role models?
That's the current reality of higher ed.
Higher ed is a hostile environment. It's easier for foreign students to deal with it because they're protected by their subculture and relative isolation from the hostility.
Someone who doesn't need a student visa to avoid some relative misfortune will eventually decide to leave and go get a job. Working at a job isn't a paradise, but at least they want you there. It's about work and accomplishment rather than hate and politics.
Leave it to the Left to blame Trump.
Foreign students are not the only ones turning their backs on US colleges and Universities, so are American students. The "inclusive & tolerant" environment created by Leftist Administrators is so toxic to America's freedoms (Bill of Rights) that students are realizing that Marxist propaganda they receive as an "education" is only good for being reporters at MNM, or counselors at high schools, or neighborhood organizers (aka ACORN and such).
What HS grads are doing in increasing numbers is turning to vocational schools to learn trades because most college degrees are overpriced toilet paper.
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I've seen a lot of bad research, and bad job skills, coming out of certain Asian countries. If anything I see them as a drag on research. Not all of them mind you, but a fair number of them.
putting the 'B' in LGBTQ+
unlimited student loans backed schools make trade schools look bad and force others to part of the collage system with skills push out to 2-4 years just to get that piece or paper.
From where I'm sitting in the engineering department at USF, there are no shortages of foreign students. Of course the USF engineering department has not been infected with SJW/PC culture. They try, but the usual response by staff is "go away".
Very specifically in the syllabus of every class I've taken since the Mizzo nonsense there is a section on bringing that kind of disruption to class and how it will result in your immediate expulsion from said class.
Interesting how the post links "U.S. innovation" to "foreign students". Maybe they, too, are "exceptional" after all?
Foreign students should do the extra effort of studying and working on their countries. The US just steals the best minds from other countries.
It seems to me that this will mean more slots for American students who otherwise wouldn't get in to university.
Germany has a good trades track as well with unions!
Even with out the unions we need a good tech / trades track also D1 football & basketball needs to have minor leagues. (they don't have time for class).
There's a world of difference between Einstein / Fermi / Oppenheimer and a random Joe from China who happens to be good at math. We can still let the top guys in and indeed we're doing that. What the anti-immigration folks are looking to do is stop the flow of rank and file when there's plenty of Americans who can and would take that training.
Also, it's not just about Americans taking that training. As we bring these folks in from overseas it reduces the need to have good schools to train up Americans. It's about shifting the cost of the initial 18 years of child rearing overseas. It lets wealthy elites cut funding to our schools and pocket that money in the form or tax cuts while still having a viable work force.
The elites didn't fund schools for the poor and working class out of charity. They did it because they needed a 21st century workforce. Parents work _hard_ to raise their kids. I don't think it's unreasonable for them to expect good schools. But cheap 'imports' like these eliminate the need for those schools. This isn't about competing. This is about the ruling class not meeting their end of the bargain.
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people that dont have enough low-level education is who.
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It used to be that industry was driven by their ability to access natural resources such as steel and coal. Today the resources in the information economy is knowledge and brains.
If you cut off the supply of either, your industrial advantages will die and other countries will outstrip you. The difference is the best people are mobile, sought after and a limited resource. If you don't attract them, other countries will and use their talents to build their universities and industries
America was built on attracting the brightest and best. It is the reason its industries are envied and copied, but they were built by offering opportunities to any who were willing to work hard whatever their nationality. The revisionist history is that America was built by Americans, but they forget that most of those were originally from other countries looking for a better life.
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Anyone who went to those universities would do those great things. Why do you need "adjusted" SAT scores for different ethnic groups?
Russians are supposed to be PRO Trump.
No, actually, Russians are supposed to be disrupting the US any way they can, by fomenting unrest and discontent by fanning flames on both sides of controversial issues.
This article really only gives percentages without any perspective. Here's what I see happening among the international students I'm friends with: Most of the students I know are paying full price for the degree, and consequently tend to take their education and degree very seriously(for some of them the cultural aspect of how education is viewed in their communities is a big part too). The STEM course that I'm part of and most of the other on campus has a significant international student cohort, and for most of them, OPT is the easiest way to earn the money they put into their degrees back. There's also been some talk of how H1Bs are hard to come by and some people are actively planning on moving to Canada through their merit system. Apparently an advanced US degree and some OPT work experience almost guarantees them Canadian PR(and eventually citizenship) and if they can find an interesting job in Canada, I'm willing to bet that many will jump ship. From an American perspective(anecdotal), I don't see many of my friends being interested in hardcore engineering/medicine and we seem to be more and more unwelcoming to the ones who are really interested in working in these areas here. What I can see is that, if I was Canada/France/Australia, I would really take a look at attracting the next generation of scholars right now. The current climate is very conducive to poaching the best students.
Hate crimes can be for reasons other than skin-color. If 50% of the rise is due to "anti-white" hate crimes, the other 50% could be things like anti-gay, anti-woman, anti-jewish (or anti-catholic or anti-some-other-religious-group), anti-trans, or anti almost anything.
Technically, hate crimes include (https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/civil-rights/hate-crimes) "crimes in which the perpetrators acted based on a bias against the victim’s race, color, religion, or national origin, or based on biases of actual or perceived sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, or gender.
US universities have had a uniform slope of increase in price and a corresponding uniform slope of decrease in return of value. Anyone who does economics 101 was expecting an inflection point. This process has been going on for ~20 years. It costs more for a year of school today than it did for an entire engineering degree program 20 years ago. The program then was higher quality, and a graduate made substantially more than today.
Only the MBA morons in charge are surprised this happened. They had a huge fiscal conflict of interest that drives them to put their head in a hole and sing la la la so they can't hear anything but "money money money". It is the first domino in a string. If you think this hits your pride, wait until #3 hits your pocket-book, again.
EngrStudent.
They couldn't theorize that maybe that it might have something to do with the rampant looniness going on in US campuses and their PC indoctrination centers?
I'm a non-US citizen who attended a US college (and returned home). And i would have a long (like really long) hard think about sending my children to a US college nowadays where they might come back home believing there are 37 genders or some equally silly nonsense.
US campuses (from outside the US as depicted in the media) seem less about institutions of learning and more about institutions of brainwashing children with political propaganda.
You might just want to check about those taxes - I suspect you will find your leaders have been busy slashing university funding for the last decade to help pay for tax cuts.
I have been told more than once that American medical students are treated worse than the rich foreign students who bring in all the money. The schools can only hand out so many degrees and will always favor the money source
I'm sure it has nothing to do with the exploding cost of education, it must be all Trump's fault.
When he signs the save-the-billionaire tax deform bill, U.S. citizen graduate students earning $20-35k on tuition waiver assistantships will face the very highest tax rate. For example a graduate student earning $32,500 on an assistantship at a private university would pay taxes on $81,440. They would face a higher effective tax rate than Warren Buffet, George Soros, Bill Gates, Donald Trump...
This punishment for those who seek a Masters or PhD (doctors for example) would apply to U.S. citizen graduate students in the U.S. and those who study abroad for example on a Rhode's scholarship at Oxford UK. But the republican anti-edumacation tax would not apply to foreign students on a scholarship in the U.S. This means the xenophobic Republicans out there are going to have to cope with more doctors, TAs and professors who speak with a foreign accent. All this because education is toxic to the Trump fork of Republicanism.
because after a few years of living the good life they just plain forget what they bad life is like. They start to blame people for their poor condition to justify their opulent life styles. I've seen it time and again on smaller scales with the middle class.
Some of it's malice, but a lot of it is just plain being in a bubble. I've been crushed by a bunch of family illnesses and I can't tell you the number of times my better-off friends and extended family have wondered why I didn't just pay somebody to fix something that was broke or buy a new car. They literally have no clue.
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When you have a xenophobic president, a crumbling infrastructure, and astronomical educational costs, why wouldn't you?
but unless you're in the top 10-20% your life is pretty much shit if you live in modern China, or Japan, or Singapore, or Russia, or Iran, or Brazil, or Mexico. You're ignoring vast swaths of poverty to focus on a fairly small class of well to do merchants.
Taken as a whole the majority of the planet _is_ a "gigantic cesspools of filth, poverty, illiteracy, crime, violence and general misery". That's not me being an imperialist America. That's just the way things are. Go google some statistics on global income inequality if you doubt me. It's pretty terrifying just how bad most of the world has it.
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I keep hearing this and it makes me wonder if all our home grown talent is that worthless. Remember, we're still getting the best and brightest because we still have the most money for them and the safest place to live thanks to our enormous military and police state. What we're giving up here are the above average. And what I'm hearing is there are no Americans who are above average.
Plus if the ruling elite can bring in students from overseas already have 18 years of education what incentive do they have to fund education for local kids? Most people can't afford to send their kids to private schools. Before public schools only the very wealthy were even taught to read. The rich started funding schools because they needed educated workers. If they can get those workers without paying for the schools (because somebody overseas is) they'll do it in a heartbeat.
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It can't be because college has become a shit hole where people don't actually learn anything useful. In zero classes did they ever teach things you will actually use in your life, instead it was all theories. Real Estate class? Never taught anything about property taxes or purchasing a home, but love to talk about city layouts. Business class? Taught company structures and basics of working in an existing company but not how to file the paperwork to create your own, or set up accounting for your own business, or how to file taxes or understand tax laws for your business. Science classes? Yea, thanks for teaching me how the inside of a cell works but not how basic nutrition affects a body. Now the world is full of a billion conflicting opinions on what is healthy. Arts classes? Thanks for teaching me that skill doesn't matter, just throw some garbage together and describe it with very emotionally charged words so people think hard about it.
Globalism is the belief that first world people must have third world wages and first world living expenses.
it is nothing but enriching cronies at everyone else's expense.
Stop supporting the cronies and blaming the people for not wanting to get screwed by their own crony enriching government.
Who cares about the widespread abuses?
* illegal aliens get hired (illegally, of course) and locals can't get those jobs because illegals work for a fraction of minimum wage (which is illegal anyway).
* companies lay off locals and tell them to train their H1B visa holder replacements
* Microsoft has an office in Vancouver and uses unlimited L1 visas to import cheap labor to Redmond. US Citizens or green card holders need not apply.
What does all this have in common?
Stop supporting corporate welfare.
The ordinary people who can't get the jobs (that were laid off) did not benefit. Rich cronies benefited and you seem to like that.
Measured in real terms, USA does very well in both. Unless you measure optimism with a dipstick.
You clearly have not worked for companies like Disney, Abbot Labs, Cengage Learning, SunTrust, Southern California Edison, etc. who laid off their local people and replaced them with H1B visa holders, forcing them to train their replacements.
Clearly you think that political cronies are more important than the people. The visa program is a crony enriching program.
One of the issue is that American students are being turned down, even though many of them are as good/better rated than foreign student. A big part of that reason is that foreign professors are working hard to bring their own countrymen here, rather than simply picking the best. That needs to change.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
they care about now. Right now. The jobs are going overseas right now. The Automation is still 10-20 years out.
The reason solutions aren't going to happen. Period. Democratic Socialism and income equality are the real solutions. We're an oligarchy, not a democracy. MIT showed that in a study where they looked at how our government rules on issues vs what people thought on those issues. That's not going to change. People don't _want_ it to change. They're conservative. Because again, they're living paycheck to paycheck and they're terrified of any change that will push them over the edge to homelessness. That's not a bug, it's a feature.
The one viable solution that's being put forward is protectionism. Maybe we won't get it. But it's still the _only_ solution that has any political viability. Give people a choice between lesser evils and they _will_ pick the lesser. Yeah, it would be nice if we could stop picking among evils, but that's not on the table. Until we stop abandoning large swaths of the working class it won't be.
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I object to the insightful moderation on this comment because it is fundamentally inaccurate. #PresidentTweety is the culmination of a long destruction of America, mostly from within, but also exploited by external adversaries such as Vladimir Putin. He was NOT the choice of "the people of the United States", but rather was able to stagger into the White House with the support of just enough mindless morons strategically located. I think the hilarious part is that the American system includes a number of safeguards that were supposed to prevent #PresidentTweety or anyone like him, but some self-proclaimed conservatives are so confused about "conserving" their own personal wealth that they actively supported the subversion of those safeguards.
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
they see immigration as just another cheap good to be imported for profit. It's twisted to think that way but there it is. It's basically the same thing that happened to our transistor radio industry back when the Japanese started flooding the market, but with people instead.
What's more, Neither me or my kid can compete with a country of over a billion. Especially when that country eats people up and spits them out. Nobody can. They'll struggle twice as hard because if they don't they die in a gutter. And eventually we'll reach parity with them. Where the only thing that waits for anyone that trips up for even a second is the gutter. It's a race to the bottom. Karl Marx predicted all this but all anybody can remember about him is that Stalin & Mao borrowed his books for Rhetoric. Damn I hate people.
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I'm a worker, not am owner. E.g. I work for a living rather than own things for a living. What concerns me isn't the overall state of the economy. What concerns me is my place in it. I don't care how big the pie is if I never get a slice.
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I qualified my post by saying that in other industries demand encourages more efficient producers to enter a market.
Education is probably the least "mass produced" thing in our country. It's very labor intensive and highly specialized. Pretty much the opposite of mass production.
Higher demand for Education drives up cost. Just look at the last 30 or so years. Demand for higher education soared and so did the costs.
they're not taking a risk because their country's more or less a hell hole. Have you seen the stories about New Delhi's air quality? Anyone who can get away from that does.
The problem is the ones that can get away usually the upper casts. In the States we called this "White Flight". The only people who are in a position to make a positive change leave as soon as they can and leave a blight in their wake.
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Sounds good to me. Now all of the Millenials can get jobs, move out of their parents basement, and stop trying to bring down their own country via Antifa movement. But I see, the reason you Liberals want to give our jobs away to foreign aliens is so that you can have these aimless Millenials loaded with college debt out on the street demand more socialism and big government.
The fact is, we have plenty of talent and people here in this country perfectly capable of developing all of the technology we need. This whole idea that technology will suffer unless we import foreign aliens is a thinly veiled racist attack on the American people because it suggests that Americans are genetically inferior and therefore we need to bring in foreign aliens who have superior intellect.
The fact of the matter is the entire economic recovery is an illusion created by big corporations who want to trick us into allowing our jobs to be stolen based on the lie unemployment is low. If you look at labor participation, the lie falls apart, There has been no increase in the actual employment rate since 2008. The trick is to not count people who have been unemployed for a long period of time and have given up. The employment rate remains at record lows.
Also numerous studies have shown that the US IT industry is vastly oversupplied with labor and that we have more than enough supply of STEM applicants for jobs. Bringing in foreign aliens is both about undermining american young people so they remain locked up in their parents basement instead of getting jobs and starting families, about supplying the Democratic party with welfare voters and aimless agitated or neglected people who are fodder for Democratic parties quasi-communist statist uprising. These uprisings are to take away freedom becuase the Millenials are being manipulated into demanding bigger and bigger government, more taxes and more control over money by government, rather than by individual people, in order to fund massive welfare programs. Millenials have been duped into voting for a party that gives their jobs away to foreign aliens and then manipulating them into supporting massive welfare. The millenial basically votes to give their jobs away to foreign aliens and then they demand welfare to compensate!. This means, less freedom to be able to decide how to live our own lives. The fact is we have a collusion between corporate and government in the country to 1) make sure that large numbers of millenials remain unemployed, 2) exploit this to expand the power and control over wealth of the state-corporate complex. This is why so many corporations are run by people who shaft the american people even though it leads to more welfare, this is because the government and corporations are the same people and the same elites and most corporations are run by communist-globalist totalitarians. Little about many of these big corporations is free market capitalist, none are based on entreprenuiralship but instead based on locking up markets with oligarchies. Big corporations are simply tools for a bigger agenda of expanding the control of the elite, it doesnt matter if its via big corporations or government.
The best way to defeat this is to STOP ALL IMMIGRATION because this would stop them from shafting the american worker adn require a decent wage for americans. This would give us more freedom as it would put more money back intoi the pockets of everyday americans so individuals can decide where to spend money and thus how to run their lives, rather than government through massive welfare programs (which WILL eventually demand people give up their rights )
And I have been through a lot of it. I have an M.A. and have done successful work in academic publishing and still deal with professional academics all the time.
The fallacy is assuming that education = college. Often college is just really expensive indoctrination. The economics are NOT sustainable. The student loan debt bubble in the U.S. is higher than aggregate outstanding credit card debt. There is a tidal wave of graduates who are over-credentialed by the academy but under-employed because they lack he skills necessary to make money.
College often makes people dumber, since they leave THINKING they know more than they actually do. That makes them arrogant and unwilling to be corrected even they are blatantly wrong.
You do not need to pay an entitled professor six figures to tell you what to think. Spend three figures, buy a bunch of books, and educate yourself. Then use all the extra time and money you will save to go invent something, start a business, or learn practical skills.
https://jamesaltucher.com/2010/02/dont-send-kids-college/
Come down to Australia mate. Plenty of smart people here. We invented WiFi and medical penicillin. Sure, the place is full of creatures that can kill ya, but you get used to that. We might sound racist, but we're just having a laugh with ya. Just crack a few jokes and a few tinnies after class and we'll get on like a fuckin house on fire.
because that's what it is when you have to import droves of highly talented and educated Europeans and Asians to do the job for you. Hilarious. And then you accuse their host countries of stealing "your" IP when you literally brought their students and tech workers over. Hilarious.
You might just want to check about those taxes - I suspect you will find your leaders have been busy slashing university funding for the last decade to help pay for tax cuts.
False: you will find that the percentage rate of funding increase has been cut. Instead of getting 150% of the funding that the school got last year, they only get 120% of the previous years funding.
When I was an aspiring student, everyone wanted to go to the USA. It was the holy land of prosperity and opportunity. But I somehow landed in Canada and I'm thankful for it. The once glorious USA is no more. Recently I went to the US consulate due to work and man it felt like going into a concentration camp. The USA still has a lot going for it and it's still the single superpower in the world. But it's fall is visible and fast.
Because when white people do it is white privilege and they were guaranteed that success by the color of their skin. That has been the media bias for years. Do you think Rush Limbaugh will ever get the credit he deserves as an entertainer or commentator? No. Ratchel Maddow and her cooks are the accolades because tits and being a faggot.
When a brown/yellow person does it its celebrated as the greatest thing ever.. some poor nong farmer came from nothing to success. Well so did the white guy, but white success is not celebrated.
the world's best and brightest
We don't need them, we have all of Somalia's doctors and rocket scientists.
Why doesn't anyone address the possibility that maybe the students don't want to be forced an ideology they don't agree with at US colleges?
First they caved to those Millennial snowflakes who consider free speech an obsolete Boomer holdover. Then they caved to the calls to hound as many male students and faculty off campus on whatever flimsy charges of sexual harassment, unsupported by due process, that they could dream up. If they drive away the Asians and their money, they're done for.
Who will fill all the vacancies at US Universities? Perhaps more American students?
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Giving them jobs does. Calling them racists just pisses them off more and makes them double down. Stop screwing over the working class and their stop screwing over you (and themselves). Until the working class stops fighting among itself guys like Trump are going to keep winning and you and me are gonna keep losing.
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or China if the US is the leader in science or technology? Well guess what, it doesn't matter to somebody in Detroit. Nobody cares how big the pie is if they don't get a piece.
Us techies abandoned the blue collar workers when we let NAFTA through with chants of "Update your Skills", nevermind we cut funding to any real programs to help them do that. PEOPLE IN THEIR 30s AND 40s CANNOT WORK FULL TIME AND GO TO SCHOOL. Christ, most people in their 20s can't do that shit, that's why college drop out rates are so high.
I'm gonna Godwin the thread here: The reason the Nazis rose to power was because the rest of the world shit all over Germany after WWI. Now we've got entire swaths of the US that are in just as bad a state. Trump's a buffoon, but his successors won't be. And mark my words, they're going to do the same horrible things for the same reasons if we don't nip them in the bud now by giving people enough food, housing and education to do alright. Christ, it's like we didn't learn a God Damn thing...
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and they're plenty bright, but they're not geniuses. They're above average. And I know tons of kids who are just as smart and working at Walmart because they couldn't manage two work 40 hours a week while going to school while keeping the GPA you need to get into your 300 level courses these days and after Clinton & Bush Jr and a legion of Republican lead State Legislatures were done with budget cuts couldn't afford to stay in school.
What worries me about immigrant students is that we rely on the rich allowing us to tax them to pay for schools. Otherwise most folks just don't get to go. That's just a fact and you can hide from it if you want but it's there waiting for you. Now, if the rich can get kids ready to go from overseas why the hell would they pay the taxes needed to maintain an educational system? It just doesn't make sense. And you're seeing the effects of that now. What reading this didn't go to school with mostly Chinese kids in the CS dept? How many classes did you have taught by a Chinese person (often that barely spoke English, boy that was fun). You can look down on me all you want, but it doesn't change cold, hard facts. These were all cost cutting measures. Period. The rich aren't going to keep paying for your schools if they don't have to. Because why the hell _would_ they?
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and House before they were stacked with right wing wack jobs in the wake of the Mid-Terms. He was also busy trying to keep the economy afloat after the damage the Clinton/Bush deregulation did. What the hell was he supposed to do?
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businesses pay for them to come here and go to school. It's a back door to bring a worker in when they run out of H1-B visas. The bring somebody here who's already trained and for whom school is just a formality. They work as an 'intern' doing real production work. The business gets a cheap, well trained worker, the college gets a student paying fees but not really using educational services and everybody wins except the American worker who could have had that job but can't compete because they would have had to have a bunch of expensive training...
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You're looking from the outside in. He's a member of the working class and yeah, everybody else was more important than him. The US foreign policy was meant to help our aristocracy. It did a great job of that. But for everyone else we're just screwed. We're loaded with debt from our wars and our massive subsidies for the ruling elite. We work long hours in shit jobs and they get worse every day as outsourcing takes what few middle class jobs are left.
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The problem is we're local, not global. So globalism hasn't brought us anything good except cheap electronics we use to distract ourselves from our misery and vent a little on
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we've pretty much got everything needed for a modern economy. Even the rare earth minerals. The only reason we're getting them overseas is they're willing to abuse their population more than we are resulting in cheaper prices. China isn't better at manufacturing, they're more ruthless at it. Same with Mexico.
OTOH the rest of the world _does_ need us. China can't feed their population without our grainery.
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Why come to a country where everyone is angry all the time?
I'll give you this. Our lives suck. 60% of us live paycheck to paycheck, you've got no guarantee of health care or even food and water and you can forget about college if your parents aren't either rich or willing to give up their lives while you go.
Why come to a country where no one can ever be happy?
Also give you this. See above.
Why come to a country where all the stories are about catastrophic environmental destruction?
What the heck? You're barely allowed to talk about global warming and we just finished sweeping the whole "Puerto Rico destroyed by floods and still without power after 2 months" under a rug.
Who wants to come here to be told they're a victim every day based on something that happened before they were born in their own country?
Are you talking about Blacks & Slavery? Yeah, they're victims. It's called institutionalize racism. You saw it recently when a copy shot a well spoken black guy who was carrying with a permit not because he was racist but because a black guy with a gun made him unusually nervous. You saw it again when the NRA didn't lose it's shit over the incident.
Why come to a country where succeeding financially is considered evil?
That's the left, and it's mostly because rich people are doing evil things. Like taking health care away from children and the poor so they can have tax cuts. You do something evil you get called evil. Who knew?
Why would a young person join a group that only talks about historic grievances and never about future opportunities?
Are you talking about those damn confederate statues? I can't think of anything else. If you are those were put up during Jim Crow times to scare black people. If you're not I really don't know what you're on about.
Why come to a country where the leaders and entertainers and celebrities all seem to be among the worst examples of humanity?
I'll give you leaders. Not entertainers. Go watch late night talk. Jimmy Kimmel especially. That guy saves lives.
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we took them from them when we invaded. When it comes to weapons all that crap went right out the window. It'll be the same here.
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in the rust belt choose because they have nothing to lose. And we're going to get worse than Trump if we keep abandoning those people and yelling at them to somehow update their skills while working full time at 40 with kids.
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The Chinese Communist Party recently issued a proclamation that students educated in the west may not be compatible with "Chinese cultural values". I.e not be able to join the CCP upon returning, having difficulty getting a good job.
So of course they are less interested in coming. Particularly as Chinese universities are improving dramatically.
It is not all about the USA.
Foreign students turion actually subsidizes Americans student education. Usually there is no federal aid or scholarship for foreign students and hence they usually pay full cost. This helps universities balance things out.
Without this the education will become even more expensive and American student will probably not attend college due tuition cost.
In my experience, average American kids are mostly dumb and have little to society. The problem is not immigrants taking away jobs, to the problem is the culture and attitude of the kids. How do you expect to compete against likes of Indian and Chinese kids who study day and night vs average American kids who are busy with stupid shit.
> ... Current economic projections see the US overtaking China as the world's largest manufacturing nation in several years, based on US technological leadership ...
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'Nuff said.
More and more of my peers avoid us conferences now.
Not only is Trump discouraging clever immigrants, he is also dumbing down the country with his anti-science stance and soaring cost of education
Big deal.
If 50% of new hate crimes are anti-white, it MEANS that WHITE people are the fastest growing group of VICTIMS.
All in all, 40% of the growth in hate is directed at white people because they were white.
For other groups, there was ALSO growth, BECAUSE hate crimes GREW OVERALL.
So no, it grew less for non-whites.
More bullshit - ever foreign student I met at college wasn't worth the plane ticket here, they could barely function on tests and cheated so much.
Then they get out and make companies that only hire them because they work for dirt cheap but produce crap products.
Good riddance.
Your an idiot! What difference does this jesuit president make to any of the other jesuit presidents. Morons always blame the puppet.
Could it have something to do with skyrocketing tuitions that has been fueled over the past 15 years by too much expanding caused by free money from the Federal Government?
Now if we can only get the government to finally pass laws BANNING foreigners from using our schools we may finally get our country back! And American engineers may finally be able to go back to work with decent salaries. Remember it is only the oligarchs who want cheap foreign labor, since the foreigners only serve to drive down salaries (basic supply and demand curves). There was a must-read book written about this phenomenon back in 1920 called "Rise of the Colored Empires."
Airfares to the US from many countries are being heavily discounted because fewer people want to go there, or even through there. Right now, travelers from Australia and New Zealand (minimum 12 hour flights) can get fares to LA, SF or Houston for as little as $500, less than half price. But flying to Vancouver in Canada costs more than usual and flights full up rapidly. This is partly due to the US requirng everyone to apply for a visa (even if from "visa-waiver" countries) just to transit the US - sit in a room at the airport behind security waiting for an onward flight to another country. Most countries treat transit passengers as nor really there. For many years the US has also required travelers transiting the US to other countries to fully enter the country, collect their bags, recheck them, and go through Customs and Immigration and security twice just to board their flight to the onward country. They never leave the airport. Now there is Trump and daily masd murders by guns and the true insanity of doing nothing to stop it. Just lots of useless prayers. It's a hot, ugly mess of unbelievable stupidity with no end in sight. Why would anyone want to visit that? More and more just don't. Much easier, safer and less tiresome to just go elsewhere.
Only boring people are ever bored.
What "innovation" for the most part foreign students are a drag on education resources. It is easier for a foreign national to get a seat in a university and is many cases the US taxpayer subsidies this through various programs only available to foreign nationals and if the foreign student qualifies they also gain benefits from Affirmative Action. Along with the US taxpayer foreign governments often assist their citizens in how to game the US educational system. As well as taking care of their own at the expense of US citizens more importantly they get access to cutting edge research. Foreign enrollment also drives up the cost of education since citizen cannot pay they can fill that seat with a will subsidized foreign student.
Good schools should be USA first and not foreigners on a full ride that pay way more then USC's and get first in line.
The majority of people who spout this shit barely make the effort to go to school, and it is not as if international students come here free.
Unlike us citizens, foreign students pay the full blown price of tuition, 4, 5, sometimes 6 times what we typically pay.
So don't tell me this "USA first" shit. At least when it comes to international students (the fucking focus of this fucking topic), it is bullshit.
It has nothing to do with Trump.
It has EVERYTHING to do with all the attention that colleges and universities have had recently in the media.
You can see all the UTTER BULLSHIT they are teaching and online videos of moronic clashes over free speech issues. Who in their right mind would send their kid overseas to be indoctrinated with this crap? Who would send their white child to a school that will tell them "all whites are racist", or "all white men must die" ???
Unfortunately, the view you see online shows all the extremes and doesn't show all the good quality STEM education that still goes on in these institutions.
Why Americans think everything is Zero-sum?
Casteism