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YouTube Disabled Comments On Livestreams Of A Congressional Hearing On White Nationalism Because They Were Too Hateful (buzzfeednews.com)

Tuesday's hearing was meant to examine the rise of white nationalism and white supremacy and the role social media plays in its spread. Then the comments got hijacked. From a report: YouTube moderators disabled comments on livestreams of the House Judiciary Committee's hearing about hate crimes the rise of white nationalism on Tuesday, deeming them too hateful for the platform. The comment sections quickly flooded with hate speech and white nationalist memes before the hearing had even started. The comments included derogatory remarks about women on camera, anti-Semitic slurs, far-right memes with references to "white genocide," and pro-Trump slogans. The channels' comments sections were deactivated within an hour. [...] YouTube's disabling of comments is ironic: House Judiciary Committee Chair Jerrold Nadler, a Democrat from New York, made special reference in his opening statement of the role social media platforms play in spreading hate speech and extremism in his opening statement.

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  1. Why this one video by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't know if these "You Tube Moderators" have looked around much, but you can find hateful comments on pretty much any video. Why block comments on just this one?

    If YouTube wants to block "hateful comments" why do they allow comments anywhere?

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    1. Re:Why this one video by Freischutz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't know if these "You Tube Moderators" have looked around much, but you can find hateful comments on pretty much any video. Why block comments on just this one?

      If YouTube wants to block "hateful comments" why do they allow comments anywhere?

      Because the quantity and hatefulness blew the scale?

    2. Re:Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am pretty sure that our IT janitor who lives in San Jose and works in Palo Alto has something to do with it. He must have inspired them since he blocked the comments on his latest video. I left 3 comments there and they vanished right away!

      The story in the video is that when you go to the theater, you have to pee before you leave home, on the bus and once you get at the theater so you will be able to watch the show.

      I went to the theater yesterday but I couldn't manage to pee before leaving home nor on the bus or when I arrived at the theater. I couldn't wait before putting his great advice into practice but I just couldn't do it.

      Oh well, I was able to watch the whole show without any problems so his story must be false anyway.

    3. Re:Why this one video by Tyrannosaur · · Score: 2

      Oh hey you can see where this is going. Congrats

    4. Re:Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why ... cause Trotsky-slut Juboiz gotta Ju. Brin/Zuck/Bezos ... powersuck bred-to-the-blood, like smarmy, simpering pestilent thought-crime posters on slashdot! Whose actions did you expect BOSCO? Paine, Jefferson or Ben Franklin ? Not even Adams ... eh? Time for well-earned punishment in the only successful form. Consider that truth the next time you spend a nickle = $0.05 !

    5. Re:Why this one video by BringsApples · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Seems proper to me. Here they are, the big-wigs meeting about the role that social media plays in fueling hate. YouTube, a social media platform would be super stupid to NOT turn off the hate in such a situation.

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    6. Re:Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i am somewhat surprised his bladder seems so small
      since the rest of him is so large

    7. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finally followed a link on this guy.
      I thought it was some fake shit made up by APK or his minions.
      It's real
      And pathetic.
      I wonder if he gets paid anything for that crap

    8. Re:Why this one video by Crashmarik · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh that's hilarious. Truly hateful speech invalidates itself. It's why conservatives love it when totalitarians of all stripes open up their mouths.
      I would guess it's more a case of far too many accurate comments and questions.

      Examples:
      How do you raise the minimum wage to 15/hr while simultaneously allowing an endless flood of people in that will work for $5/hr ?
      If sexual preference is biologically determined, just how is gender a social construct ?
      Or the simple If it's OK for the U.S. to interfere in Russian elections, why wouldn't you expect them to return the favor ?

    9. Re:Why this one video by drakaan · · Score: 0, Troll

      ...I would guess it's more a case of far too many accurate comments and questions...

      BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

      Seriously, I hope you were aiming for either +5 Funny or +5 Troll

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    10. Re:Why this one video by XXongo · · Score: 4, Informative
      I don't see any of those examples being removed from the comment section of Youtube.

      The removed comments are a lot more disturbing, stuff like Heil Hitler posts & death threats.

    11. Re:Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wonder how people feel about the majority of Heil Hitler chants these days coming from Muslims who were allied to Hitler during his days.

    12. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you raise the minimum wage to 15/hr while simultaneously allowing an endless flood of people in that will work for $5/hr ?

      No federally elected Democrat is arguing that, though doubtless your fake strawman does. As far as actual positions, Democrats are in favor of fining the employeRS of illegal immigrants, solving ir on the demand side. Republican policy seems willing to spend any amount of airtime condemning immigration but is suspiciously silent on support for mandating e-verify or any other regulation which would provide teeth to bite criminal companies that are hiring these people and creating a demand for them.

      If sexual preference is biologically determined, just how is gender a social construct ?

      Two things can be true at the same time. "100" is a multiple of ten, but it is also a multiple of 2,4,25 and 50 too. Our genes can determine we have a penis, but it doesn't have a 100% correlation on not using it on males. Wild males animals hump other males too, FYI.

      Or the simple If it's OK for the U.S. to interfere in Russian elections, why wouldn't you expect them to return the favor ?

      We do expect the Russians to help Russians, or rather Putin to help Putin. It is a crime if an American citizen conspires to enable the a foreign country to meddle though.

      I understand you think Left vs Right is holy war where only your side can be right, because you have no idea what the actual position of either side is.

      That or you are a troll/hypocrite.

    13. Re:Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Turn off comments regardless of hate you mean. No one will know the emperor has no clothes if they are not allowed to speak.

    14. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, last year, he made a gross revenue of $2.32 so net, he loses a lot of money. He is nevertheless truly convinced that eventually, the revenues are going to start growing exponentially and that he will laugh at us all once it does. He calls it a long tail revenue stream.

    15. Re:Why this one video by Freischutz · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Examples: How do you raise the minimum wage to 15/hr while simultaneously allowing an endless flood of people in that will work for $5/hr ?

      The federal minimum wage is already $7.25/hr so if you are right this is already a problem. The only thing that changes when raising the minimum wage to $15/hr is that a ton of people will actually get paid $15/hr since there is plenty of businesses that respect the law.

      If sexual preference is biologically determined, just how is gender a social construct ?

      I have no idea, I have been a heterosexual all my life and I have never doubted my gender or my sexual orientation for a second. The philosophy of gender ambiguity is a topic I'm quite content to leave to others and I am certainly not going to sit in my basement for hours on end reading Breitbart and getting angry about what the two gay boys next door might be doing in their bedroom. It's none of my f***ing business and I am quite happy with it not being any of my f***ing business.

      Or the simple If it's OK for the U.S. to interfere in Russian elections, why wouldn't you expect them to return the favor ?

      Well, US interference in the Russian election got the Russians Boris Yeltsin instead of Vladimir Zhirinovsky which is going from catastrophic to merely terrible. Russian interference in the US election got the Americans a completely senile, corrupt businessman, money launderer, tax cheat, bank fraudster, slum lord, pussy grabber and serial liar (basically Trump is American Yeltsin) instead of a controversial but generally competent female politician. I'm not quite sure who got the shorter end of the stick here but since Zhirinovsky would not have hesitated to start WWIII but Trump merely might start WWIII I think the we all probably benefitted more from American interference in Russa's elections than vice versa.

    16. Re: Why this one video by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No federally elected Democrat is arguing that,

      Multiple elected Democrats in the House and Senate are for totally open borders and minimum wage at $15.

      Just the facts, man.

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    17. Re:Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He drinks 20 powder coffee-lattes daily that he makes his uncle buy for him on Amazon with his affiliate links so he can save a dime. That could be why he always have to pee. Why he thinks everybody is like him puzzles me although.

    18. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, last year, he made a gross revenue of $2.32 so net

      Citation, please? His channel doesn't qualify for Adsense.

    19. Re:Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blocking these miserable fucks has to start somewhere...

    20. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His fortune came from being an amazon affiliate.

    21. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he plasters 20-25 Amazon affiliate links in the video description of every single video he publishes and he makes a few pennies when a lost soul click on one of them. That's the whole purpose of his videos.

    22. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if thatâ(TM)s the case, I am not sure what the logical inconsistency is. If a lawmaker is in favor of letting people migrate freely across the border to work, and also in favor of a $15 per hour minimum wage, then the migrant coming over the border would earn that $15 per hour minimum wage. It is oils be illegal to pay them less. So where is the wage pressure you were complaining about?

    23. Re:Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) My personal preference is to levy huge fines on those who break US law by paying less than minimum wage. This eliminates the false incentives to immigrate by targeting the cheats who have created the situation in the first place.
      2) Gender != sexual preference, seems clear enough
      3) It's not ok for the US to interfere in other countries' elections.

    24. Re:Why this one video by byteherder · · Score: 1

      I don't know if these "You Tube Moderators" have looked around much, but you can find hateful comments on pretty much any video. Why block comments on just this one?

      If YouTube wants to block "hateful comments" why do they allow comments anywhere?

      Because the quantity and hatefulness blew the scale?

      Are these people new to the Internet?

    25. Re: Why this one video by randomaxe · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just the facts, man.

      AhahahahahahahaNo. Your source is bad, and you should feel bad.

      Just because they call themselves "non-partisan" doesn't mean that they actually are.

    26. Re:Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If sexual preference is biologically determined, just how is gender a social construct ?

      Well the short answer is that sexual preference in partners is an entirely distinct thing from gender identity. It's no different than the fact that someone "born male" can prefer partners of either gender (or both).

    27. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every YouTuber does that on the off chance that someone looks at the description (almost no one ever does), clicks on a link, and orders something. If you knew anything about Amazon affiliates, it's not "a few pennies when a lost soul click on one". It's a percentage from the shipped product. You claimed that he made $2.32. What's your source (other than your ass)?

    28. Re:Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Truly hateful speech invalidates itself.

      I mean, it's typically pretty bullshitty, but that throws the "no true scotsman" flag so hard it might as well be on top of a cabar toss.

      How do you raise the minimum wage to 15/hr while simultaneously allowing an endless flood of people in that will work for $5/hr ?

      You jail people employing illegals. Raids, stings, plea-deals for workers testifying against their boss. Punishing poor workers is cruel. We should treat these businesses as organized crime, and prosecute the bosses. If everyone is too afraid to pay them, illegal immigration won't be a problem.

      If sexual preference is biologically determined, just how is gender a social construct ?

      What's between your legs is biology. (hopefully barring accident). Usually it's pretty clear, but the edge-cases get freaky. What goes on in your head is part biology. It's not like you chose to like tits and ass when you were a teenager. It's baked-in. Instinct. Useful evolution-wise as it propagates the species. And part of it isn't. Otherwise there'd be no such thing as free will or choices. And so god-damn much of psychology is on a sliding scale. If you were desperate enough, you might resort to being "prison gay". How a society reacts to these things is, by definition, a "social construct" just because it's society doing it. But it's rooted in biology. Anyone that says "it's a social construct" as a means to imply "it doesn't mean anything so we can get rid of it" is an idiot appealing to scientific terms they don't really understand. The idea that "school shootings are a bad thing" is a social construct. I'm all for re-evaluating what we consider good and evil. But we're sure as fuck not tossing out all of history and biology when we do so. I'm not sure we should even bother to make a distinction between sex and gender.

      Or the simple If it's OK for the U.S. to interfere in Russian elections, why wouldn't you expect them to return the favor ?

      It's not OK. Even something as simple as endorsing a foreign candidate could appear to be an implied threat of retribution, so you've got to be careful with that. That said if a president wants to play hardball, it's their right to straight-up threaten military action. I'd prefer peace, but hey, it's a good thing we participated in WWII. Being a bully is not OK, but it could be the least worst option. For Russian elections though? Pft, what elections? Is Putin going to get 120% of the vote this time or is it his turn to tag-team it?

    29. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. The linked article in no way supports your assertion. What it supports is the actual fact that many democrats disagree on how best to address the problem. A wall will do nothing to stop illegal immigrants. What would stop them is cracking down, for real, on the people that employ illegal immigrants.

      Trying to control immigration with a wall is no different than trying to control the recreational drug trade with the drug war/prohibition. If you want to end undesirable behavior, you have to address the root cause and not just the symptoms. Illegal immigration is a symptom. The root cause is unscrupulous employers using cheap labor free of regulatory oversight to prop up otherwise unsustainable business models.

    30. Re:Why this one video by tepples · · Score: 0

      If sexual preference is biologically determined, just how is gender a social construct ?

      "Gender" is a bundle of personality and expression stereotypes that a culture assigns to a sex. Raise children as "theybies", without the burden of pressure to act stereotypically "masculine" or "feminine", and one source of tension in society disappears. The preference for penis or not can then be reserved for the bedroom.

    31. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No federally elected Democrat is arguing that,

      Multiple elected Democrats in the House and Senate are for totally open borders and minimum wage at $15.

      Just the facts, man.

      So for you, "No babies in wire cages" == open borders. You are a fucking idiot :-)

      ICE has only existed since 2003, so I guess that means pre-'03 the US had "totally open borders"?

      God, the stupid just wafts off you, haha!

    32. Re:Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Bingo. Identity is about who you are and orientation/preference is about what sort of person you want to do it with.

      Having said that, I'm heterosexual guy but that doesn't seem to completely characterise it for me. After all, I'm not attracted to all women. Probably not even most of them.

    33. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even further to your point, the author of the article shows their increadible bias by implying that 'pro-Trump' slogans are somehow part of the problem of extremism, I therefore designate the author as an extremist

      If you compare Trump's policies to someone who was a 'solid Democrat' like JFK, Trump is essentially to the left of all of JFK's policies.

      A pro-JFK statement would no doubt garner some sort of empathy from the author as 'a well rounded and we'll thought out position'; but a pro-Trump slogan is somehow *MORE* offensive and extreme?

      These people wiring this tripe, and the so called moderators in YouTube, at all complete imbecils, and whiny babies to boot. Losers.

    34. Re:Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have no idea, I have been a heterosexual all my life and I have never doubted my gender or my sexual orientation for a second. The philosophy of gender ambiguity is a topic I'm quite content to leave to others and I am certainly not going to sit in my basement for hours on end reading Breitbart and getting angry about what the two gay boys next door might be doing in their bedroom. It's none of my f***ing business and I am quite happy with it not being any of my f***ing business.

      You obviously have had no children.
      Firstly, gender identity and sexual preference are not the same thing and shouldn't be lumped into the one category like this.
      Secondly, they are filling the children's heads with psychological melodrama by teaching it to be a "normal" social construct IN SCHOOL! When the reality is that it should have been strongly treated as a psychological disorder before the acceleration of the internet brought all of the sick fucks out into viral view to gain traction. You shouldn't be so arrogant and naive about such issues and sit on the fence when it comes to gender identity. This isn't about who your preferred sexual partner is, this is about a deeper manifestation of a disorder that has not been treated very well by society at large.

    35. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gender is a biological construct. Gender roles are a social one.

      Can you be a feminine man or masculine woman? Yes. There are male nurses and female body builders. The man is not a "woman" because he is doing a feminine activity.

      Likewise, wearing long hair, or wanting to be friends with girls, while having a penis, does not make you a "female". Gender is not a choice, nor a social construct, but that doesn't mean you have to conform to stereotypes about how males or females should act, which are "gender roles" and not "gender".

    36. Re:Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is what empty-headed libtard morons actually believe.

    37. Re:Why this one video by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      I don't know if these "You Tube Moderators" have looked around much, but you can find hateful comments on pretty much any video. Why block comments on just this one?

      Because they knew the normies would be watching this one trying to form opinions on regulation of white nationalists, a bunch of off-topic comments register like advertisements, your brain just ignores them. A bunch of on-topic comments have the power to form opinions.

    38. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gender identity is what gender you "identify" as.

      Identifying as a gender different than your real gender is a form of delusion.

      Either:

      You are deluded into thinking your feminimity or masculinity is a part of your "gender" and not simply a stereotype about genders being masculine or feminine. In other words, you are deluded into thinking acting how most "girls" act makes you a girl. In other words, you don't notice that the presence or absense of a penis is the meaning of the word "gender" to the majority of people, and the only definition with descriptive value.
      OR
      You are deluded into thinking you actually are of the opposite gender, which demonstrates a lack of understanding of biology. Your genotype determines your gender, not your brain structure. If your brain really developed "opposite" then this simply means you are feminine or masculine, but does not alter your sexual organs.

    39. Re:Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where is the objective evidence backing these assumptions?

    40. Re:Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So evolution ends at sex now, in addition to at the neck?

      How convenient for your ideology. You sound like the left wing version of a creationist.

    41. Re:Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If sexual preference is biologically determined, just how is gender a social construct ?

      If they are (and I actually don't fully concede either point), it's because they're different concepts. Want proof? I'm attracted to females. If sexual preference is the same thing as gender, you'd be able to tell my gender from the prior sentence. You can't.

    42. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how do you know this?

    43. Re:Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you raise the minimum wage to 15/hr while simultaneously allowing an endless flood of people in that will work for $5/hr ?

      It's simple. Start punishing the real criminals. Crack down on the companies paying 5/hr... they're the ones abusing the system while whining about the immigrants. If you have to pay minimum 15/hr are they going to hire the illegal immigrant who can't speak english, or the person who can? If the immigrants can't get jobs they probably won't keep coming. Despite popular lies, the immigrants don't just come into the country and go on social assistance, spending the rest of their lives sitting in their apartments eating hamberders.

    44. Re:Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, no, no! It's not Google or YouTube. And we should never refer to companies as though they
      were sentient - it's Larry Page and Sergey Brin who censored the feed. It's silly to believe that
      nothing goes on @Goolge w/o their approval and knowledge.

      Just like MS, it's all about Billy Gates. MS is not a feeling, compassionate human being (okay, neither
      is Billy - but you see what I mean). I'd be surprised if this post isn't nuked by Larry on the wire...

      CAP === 'muffins'

    45. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Sounds like they're winning to me and you're the whiny baby whose life somehow is affected by random 'sjws' who are out to get you.

    46. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not how that parable goes

    47. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Children in wire cages happened in 2014 to 2016 under Obama. It was stopped before Trump took office.

      Sweet lies though, kid. Better luck next time.

    48. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Just the facts, man.

      AhahahahahahahaNo. Your source is bad, and you should feel bad.

      Just because they call themselves "non-partisan" doesn't mean that they actually are.

      Biased or not, his source cites the Washington Post, among others. Is that a right-wing rag to you?

      Facts remain facts regardless of the bias of the person stating them.

    49. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wrong. it will do *something* to stop them not nothing. Disingenous.

    50. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think people would care about the Muslim link... why would it matter (there are white Muslims btw, and brown Europeans)?

    51. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because of the attention the comments would receive. Their goal is to prevent discussions on wrongthink, because the truth can't possibly defend itself against criticism right?

    52. Re: Why this one video by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

      The facts, huh? Your link is an inaccurate summary of a WaPo story, which it actually links to but I'll repeat it here: https://www.washingtonpost.com...

      As anyone can read for themselves, it does not say that the Democrats want totally open borders. That is simply false, and in fact as the article notes they are willing to fund ICE.

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    53. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right! It will make illegal immigration worse. Got it!

    54. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are Caucasians, Semite group despite Jewish attempts at monopolizing the term, and leftist suck their dicks enough to turn a blind eye to throwing LGBT lessons out of schools to appease them? Ah right, as the Boghossian Exposure showcased along with the march scandals, the Muslims also share anti-Jewish sentiments with Feminism and "progressive" leftists these days too.

    55. Re:Why this one video by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      SJW are always pushing for more censorship and control.
      Then its on to the next "sinful" topic, video, news, faith, issue to "curate".

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    56. Re:Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the US to interfere in Russian elections is "OK" from the US perspective. The Russians can and should be getting all kinds of upset about it.

      Conversely, when the Russians interfere in US elections, it's the US government and public that should be fucking furious about that. And yet a significant part of the US public is willing to defend it. What does that tell us?

    57. Re:Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >getting angry about what the two gay boys next door might be doing in their bedroom.
      Nobody sane cares about this. People who are against pushing the gender spectrum nonsense are actually just against people acting insane in public because someone used the wrong pronoun.

    58. Re:Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > If YouTube wants to block "hateful comments" why do they allow comments anywhere?

      A lot of channels are blocked for no real reasons on Youtube, hateful speech, protecting children even quite benign ones.

    59. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Love how everyone complains about immigration. Cheap labor is actually a beneficial quality to immigration. Employers pay them less and in turn we see lower market prices at the final product. The last time we ejected migrant workers back to Mexico it caused agricultural job shortage because not enough native born Americans were able to close the labor gap.

      What you can objectively complain about is the tax credits and welfare benefits taken by immigrants, but id argue that's a welfare and tax reform we desperately need, not just for immigrants, but native born citizens taking advantage of the system and sucking down our rightfully earned tax dollars.

      Ran into an asshole the other day driving a Mercedes yet had an EBT card.....

    60. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So I would like to clarify for everyone on all sides of this:

      There are 3 genders: male, female and intersex.

      Intersex is a medical definition of people born with ambiguous genitalia. It is determined from medical observation. These people have the flexible objective choice of defining their gender for that reason.

      Everyone else is all from a mixture of native brain chemistry/physiology or a result of psychological development.

      These people are wired differently and have things like gender identity denial and/or attraction to same sex.

      I take a nihilist approach to it still. If it is possible than it is. Also a good reason the argument of God regulating heterosexuality is bullshit.

      It wouldn't exist if it wasn't possible and honestly, who the fuck cares?

      Does someone's gender identity or sexual preference actually affect you? The answer is: it doesn't.

      you're just an asshole looking for a fight or thinking you're saving someone from "the fiery pits of hell" (Which is "God's Plan" anyway)

    61. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the Post's article doesn't in any way support the assertions made.

      SuperKendal could have linked to any number of real news articles reporting actual quotes by elected Democrats calling for open borders - if such Democrats existed. But instead he linked to a right-wing nutjob site that pretends it's merely repeating something the Post said but lies about it instead.

      What does this tell you about SuperKendal? Do you think he linked to the CIS article in good faith?

      Are you ever going to trust him again?

    62. Re: Why this one video by the+saltydog · · Score: 1

      "facts"... You keep using that word; I don't think it means what you think it means.

      Center for Immigration Studies

      Founded in 1985 by John Tanton, the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) has gone on to become the go-to think tank for the anti-immigrant movement with its reports and staffers often cited by media and anti-immigrant politicians. CISâ(TM)s much-touted tagline is âoelow immigration, pro-immigrant,â but the organization has a decades-long history of circulating racist writers, while also associating with white nationalists.

    63. Re:Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "a ton of people" will get paid 15/hr?

      so like 17 people?

    64. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two things can be true at the same time. "100" is a multiple of ten, but it is also a multiple of 2,4,25 and 50 too. Our genes can determine we have a penis, but it doesn't have a 100% correlation on not using it on males. Wild males animals hump other males too, FYI.

      You didn't answer his question. He said "gender", not "sex", which are now defined as two separate things.

      I.e. sexual preference v gender

      not sexual preference v sex.

    65. Re: Why this one video by c6gunner · · Score: 1, Informative

      Does someone's gender identity or sexual preference actually affect you? The answer is: it doesn't.

      It doesn't until it does. I don't give a damn how you dress or who you sleep with. I care a lot when you start passing laws saying that I have to let you into whatever washroom you decide you want to use, or forcing me to call you something which you clearly are not. Don't be a totalitarian cunt and I'm quite happy to ignore you.

    66. Re:Why this one video by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

      US support of a very unpopular Yeltsin and his neo liberal "shock therapy" ideas that left Russia even worse off economically.

      http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-meddling-in-1996-russian-elections-in-support-of-boris-yeltsin/5568288/amp

      Let us consider some of the consequences of Yeltsin's electoral win:

      -In the first years of the Chubais-Yeltsin privatization scheme, the life expectancy of a Russian male fell from 65 years to 57.5 years. Female life expectancy in Russia dropped from 74.5 years in 1989 to 72.8 years in 1999.

      -Throughout Yeltsin's terms as President, flight of capital away from Russia totaled between $1 and $2 billion every month.

      -Each year from 1989 to 2001 there was a fall of approximately 8% in Russia's productive assets.

      -From 1990 to 1999 the percentage increase of people living on less than $1 a day was greater in Russia and the other former socialist countries than anywhere else in the world.

      -The number of people living in poverty in the former Soviet Republics rose from 14 million in 1989 to 147 million in 1998. As a result of the 1998 financial collapse and the devaluation of the ruble, the life savings of tens of millons of Russian families disappeared overnight. Since then, the Great Recession and low oil pries have only made matters worse.

      -In the period from 1992 to 1998 Russia's GDP fell by half-something that did not happen even under during the German invasion in the Second World War.

      Under Yeltsin's tenure, the death rate in Russia reached wartime levels. Accidents, food poisoning, exposure, heart attacks, lack of access to basic healthcare, and an epidemic of suicidesâ"they all played a role. David Satter, a senior fellow at the anti-communist, Washington DC-based Hudson Institute, writing in the conservative Wall Street Journal, described the consequences of this victory of Democracy: "Western and Russian demographers now agree that between 1992 and 2000, the number of 'surplus deaths' in Russia-deaths that cannot be explained on the basis of previous trends-was between five and six million persons."

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    67. Re:Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to forget that the soviets used shitloads of mass slave labor for productivity. When most of that ended, of course you're going to see losses..... but wouldn't you consider it better that way than before?

    68. Re:Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh that's hilarious. Truly hateful speech invalidates itself.

      What does that even mean? Trump got elected, so it can't be completely useless.

      How do you raise the minimum wage to 15/hr while simultaneously allowing an endless flood of people in that will work for $5/hr?

      False choice. The Obama administration deported more than any before it from what I recall. Basically you can restrict illegal immigration without being a dick about it. We do, however, have a choice as a nation, do we act, well Christ like, or not. Trump is going with the not, when the kids in cages woman, wasn't evil enough for him.

      Random Link Border Lies Skip to 1:16

      If sexual preference is biologically determined, just how is gender a social construct?

      I don't care, and government shouldn't either. Seriously, why does government need to know if your male, female, gay, transgender, married, single, polygamous, whatever. It should just stay out of peoples lives, save for protecting people from abuse, and making sure the child support is collected, which could be from the other daddy or the other mommy.

      Or the simple If it's OK for the U.S. to interfere in Russian elections, why wouldn't you expect them to return the favor?

      It isn't and it never was okay, though I consider the manipulation via trolls to be a quite despicable low and one step away from an act of war. Everyone should stop this bullshit. If leaders want to say they think someone is a better choice, and why, that is free speech. If leaders want to change policy to help others get elected as Trump just did, well that is corruption and abuse of office.

      Ethics are things that don't change if you flip the script. If they do change, then they aren't ethics. It's just partisanship.

    69. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I care a lot when you start passing laws saying that I have to let you into whatever washroom you decide you want to use, or forcing me to call you something which you clearly are not.

      It's not the pro-trans crowd who are trying to change the law to regulate what rooms people can shit in.

      But to be honest, I'm not sure why we have segregated toilets in the first place. It seems inefficient.

    70. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Media turned of comments many years ago. The russian trolling just grew worse. People sound like total tools online. Not saying either is right.

    71. Re:Why this one video by xenobyte · · Score: 1

      Or the simple If it's OK for the U.S. to interfere in Russian elections, why wouldn't you expect them to return the favor ?

      I seriously doubt the US interfered much with the Russian elections. Most of the interference came from within Russia; the Putin supporters usually make sure he (or his preferred candidate) wins. Nothing to see here - move on.

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    72. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "SJW" is deprecated. The now preferred, more accurate term is "Corporate Progressive nazis".

    73. Re:Why this one video by Freischutz · · Score: 1

      US support of a very unpopular Yeltsin and his neo liberal "shock therapy" ideas that left Russia even worse off economically.

      http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-meddling-in-1996-russian-elections-in-support-of-boris-yeltsin/5568288/amp

      Let us consider some of the consequences of Yeltsin's electoral win:

      -In the first years of the Chubais-Yeltsin privatization scheme, the life expectancy of a Russian male fell from 65 years to 57.5 years. Female life expectancy in Russia dropped from 74.5 years in 1989 to 72.8 years in 1999.

      -Throughout Yeltsin's terms as President, flight of capital away from Russia totaled between $1 and $2 billion every month.

      -Each year from 1989 to 2001 there was a fall of approximately 8% in Russia's productive assets.

      -From 1990 to 1999 the percentage increase of people living on less than $1 a day was greater in Russia and the other former socialist countries than anywhere else in the world.

      -The number of people living in poverty in the former Soviet Republics rose from 14 million in 1989 to 147 million in 1998. As a result of the 1998 financial collapse and the devaluation of the ruble, the life savings of tens of millons of Russian families disappeared overnight. Since then, the Great Recession and low oil pries have only made matters worse.

      -In the period from 1992 to 1998 Russia's GDP fell by half-something that did not happen even under during the German invasion in the Second World War.

      Under Yeltsin's tenure, the death rate in Russia reached wartime levels. Accidents, food poisoning, exposure, heart attacks, lack of access to basic healthcare, and an epidemic of suicidesâ"they all played a role. David Satter, a senior fellow at the anti-communist, Washington DC-based Hudson Institute, writing in the conservative Wall Street Journal, described the consequences of this victory of Democracy: "Western and Russian demographers now agree that between 1992 and 2000, the number of 'surplus deaths' in Russia-deaths that cannot be explained on the basis of previous trends-was between five and six million persons."

      Now please explain to us how Vladimir Zhirinovsky would have led Russian into the land of milk and honey.

    74. Re:Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you ban speech, you're not proving someone wrong, you're telling the world that you are afraid of what other people have to say. If you're afraid what others have to say, it means your position is weak, poorly understood, unsubstantiated or plain wrong.

      The opinion is in the brains of the participants. You can talk to them to change it or you can excoriate their brains or at least force them into submission with violence. No other method is available to remove *opinions*. If you silence them, the people who were speaking still keep their opinions and the contents inside their brains. If you ban speech, it means you have forsaken these people and want them to remain silent. Silencing people is impossible as long as they are breathing so, legally and practically, the only option you leave to change their opinion is violence.

      Hence, censorship is a huge stepping stone towards putting people in camps and eventually kill them for their opinions.

    75. Re:Why this one video by e0b521bb9d0246d0b619 · · Score: 1

      https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch

      Whenever someone makes a remarkable claim and cites GlobalResearch, they are almost certainly wrong.

      Here's an unpopular opinion for you: the USSR collapsed because the foundations behind its facade had rotted beyond their ability to support said facade, and the fallout from that collapse are still being felt today.

    76. Re:Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hate speech is the tax we pay for freedom of speech. If you're not willing to pay that tax, that's your problem.

    77. Re:Why this one video by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      "How do you raise the minimum wage to 15/hr while simultaneously allowing an endless flood of people in that will work for $5/hr ?"
      You can start by enforcing the labor laws - if the minimum wage is $15, but you are concerned about someone working for $5, something doesn't add up.

      "If sexual preference is biologically determined, just how is gender a social construct ?"
      Once you grasp that "gender" is not the same thing as "sexual preference", then we can start discussing nature vs. nurture. Politicians like to group these separate issues into the ever-expanding LGBTQA acronym, and it seems like you bought into that - hook, line & sinker.

      "Or the simple If it's OK for the U.S. to interfere in Russian elections, why wouldn't you expect them to return the favor ?"
      I would definitely expect them to return the favor, but I don't think it's OK. Nor have I heard anyone say it was - well, until this post.

      At first, I was confused as to what an "accurate question" is - but now I think I'm getting a grasp of "inaccurate questions".
      I'm still in the dark as to why you think all this would come up on a video on a congressional hearing on white supremacy, though. I guess once a true Culture Warrior gets triggered by Mark Zuckerberg, they can't help themselves from going all-in, bringing up Mexicans, queers, and the 2016 election. Or at least, that's my observation. Maybe I'm wrong, and you can clarify why else all this would get brought up. If there's something going on here other than the politics of division, I'd love to be educated.

    78. Re:Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fire starts burning inside a room in YOUR house. What will you do:

      1. look idly while the fire spreads on whole house
      2. work on extinguishing fire

      Now on the other hand, if 'commentator' were 'our team' and it was THEIR house, you can bet 1. would be used. Freedom of speech is a relative thing.

    79. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two things which never have, and likely never will, effect you... people using the restroom, and people insisting that you speak to them. Learn to think for yourself. The convenience of parroting the talking points of media personalities just makes you appear deliberately ignorant.

    80. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just the facts, man.

      AhahahahahahahaNo. Your source is bad, and you should feel bad.

      Just because they call themselves "non-partisan" doesn't mean that they actually are.

      Biased or not, his source cites the Washington Post, among others. Is that a right-wing rag to you?

      Facts remain facts regardless of the bias of the person stating them.

      You make it sound like the Washington Post citation supports his assertion. It doesn't.

    81. Re:Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see any of those examples being removed from the comment section of Youtube.

      How do you know? Can you see the content of the deleted comments?

      That's the problem with censorship. You don't know what's really being deleted: you have to take the censors' word for it.

    82. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two things which never have, and likely never will, effect you... people using the restroom, and people insisting that you speak to them. Learn to think for yourself. The convenience of parroting the talking points of media personalities just makes you appear deliberately ignorant.

      The restroom thing is pointless, but the "preferred pronoun" crap is inescapable. If you use the wrong pronoun, that's an HR infraction for hostile workplace. If you refer to someone by a preferred pronoun, and it's "they", then confusion invariably results because that's a plural pronoun. If you refuse to speak to or about someone to avoid using the wrong pronoun, then that's an HR infraction for hostile workplace. When someone transitions at you workplace, the only winning move is to quit.

    83. Re:Why this one video by suutar · · Score: 1

      If sexual preference is biologically determined, just how is gender a social construct ?

      One is what you like, the other is what tag others put on you. They are orthogonal. You might as well ask "if I like red cars, why do restaurants make me wear shoes?"

    84. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you not realize your own link states it is an OpEd? You do realize that means it is inherently non-factual, right?

      It's charming that you think others are as gullible as you are, but it's sad that you're failing so miserably at propagandizing people.

    85. Re: Why this one video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or 7 Americans.

  2. There is only one kind of speech in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Free Speech. Guaranteed by the first (foremost) amendment to the supreme law of the land.

    Anyone who would knowingly abridge it is an enemy of the United States of America.

    Period. Full Stop.

    1. Re: There is only one kind of speech in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US courts disagree with you in many cases, most famously the "Yelling Fire! In A Crowded Theater" ruling. There are many situations where total free speech is simply not legally allowed in the USA.

    2. Re:There is only one kind of speech in America by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hey Anonymous Coward - Don't quote the constitution if you don't understand it.

      The constitution says THE GOVERNMENT can't censor your speech. Last time I checked, there was no mention in the constitution of private corporations like YouTube.

    3. Re:There is only one kind of speech in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Loser who doesn't know that YouTube is not the US government and therefore is not subject to First Amendment protections says what?

    4. Re:There is only one kind of speech in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those wife-beating redneck racists have the right to say whatever they want, they do not have the right to make anyone listen. The Youtube comments section is not a soapbox in the town square. Don't like it, make your own website to spout your drivel onto.

    5. Re:There is only one kind of speech in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Free Speech. Guaranteed by the first (foremost) amendment to the supreme law of the land.

      Anyone who would knowingly abridge it is an enemy of the United States of America.

      Period. Full Stop.

      All Trump supporters should be tied to a post and flogged with a clue stick whilst wearing a refrigerated steel butt plug up their fundament <- That was free speech, now mod me up for making use of the 1st amendment.

    6. Re:There is only one kind of speech in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Why is the government then using a private corporation like YouTube to stream?

    7. Re:There is only one kind of speech in America by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      You haven't read or understood the constitution, have you?

    8. Re:There is only one kind of speech in America by Freischutz · · Score: 1, Troll

      Free Speech. Guaranteed by the first (foremost) amendment to the supreme law of the land.

      Anyone who would knowingly abridge it is an enemy of the United States of America.

      Period. Full Stop.

      You can exercise your free speech as much as you want and you can use the 1st amendment to spew as much racist hate as you want but I reserve the right to forbid you from doing that on my lawn and I will make use of the rights guaranteed to me under the second amendment to persuade you to comply if you refuse. Be glad that Google is a lot more diplomatic about shutting up hate spewing racist dummies than I am.

    9. Re: There is only one kind of speech in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is no longer a private company. This is Google, essentially the largest communication provider in the free world.

      They are absolutely *allowed* to censor. But should they. Do we want a company like Google being an enemy of the people? Is that really a good thing?

    10. Re: There is only one kind of speech in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I first read Emirates of the United States of Arabia and I did a double-take! That's very funny, LOL!

    11. Re:There is only one kind of speech in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Free Speech. Guaranteed by the first (foremost) amendment to the supreme law of the land.

      Anyone who would knowingly abridge it is an enemy of the United States of America.

      Period. Full Stop.

      All Trump supporters should be tied to a post and flogged with a clue stick whilst wearing a refrigerated steel butt plug up their fundament <- That was free speech, now mod me up for making use of the 1st amendment.

      So, modded down to -1 already, it's fun being censored by a bunch of Trump supporters who usually are the first to complain about being censored for hating on brown people in violation of their rights under the 1st amendment.

    12. Re:There is only one kind of speech in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right? It is so annoying when mass media companies allow the printing of speech I disagree with. I never do business with anyone that has a different opinion on anything then I have.

    13. Re:There is only one kind of speech in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, he isn't the only one who can't understand. Take for example our renowned and highly respected Slashdot contributor and moderator, he can't understand shit and I think I know why. See what I found here from when his supervisor was talking to him, not with him, since it is impossible to do with in his case:
      http://ibb.co/mRVSaG

    14. Re:There is only one kind of speech in America by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For the same reason the Government uses newspapers to advertise and TV networks for televised addresses. Just because the government can use private companies for providing services does not mean that private companies suddenly become branches of the government, and bound to the first Amendments.

      Jesus Christ, the utter lack of understanding on the part of some here just astonishes. This black and white thinking, this inability to comprehend nuance or complexity, and the fundamental ignorance that gets married to it, so that your lack of knowledge gets coupled with astonishing arrogance, that you become blind to how things are actually supposed to work.

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    15. Re:There is only one kind of speech in America by Freischutz · · Score: 1

      Why is the government then using a private corporation like YouTube to stream?

      Why is the government using a private corporation like Boeing to build the President's aircraft? I expect they used YouTube and Boeing because they both provided something the government needed and the government wasn't about to waste large amounts of taxpayer money on designing and building those things them selves when they could be outsourced to private industry and the vast sums of tax payer money the government thus saved could be better spent on tax breaks for the wealthy.

    16. Re:There is only one kind of speech in America by smooth+wombat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As usual, the dullards miss the teeny, tiny caveat to the First Amendment. It only applies to the government.

      As has been stated who knows how many times, a company is free to limit free speech if it so chooses. This is no different than if a casino doesn't want to provide service to someone. It's their property, their rules. Same with YouTube.

      It has nothing to do with being an "enemy" of the U.S. It has to do with a company doing what it wants on its platform. Don't like it? Don't frequent YouTube.

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    17. Re:There is only one kind of speech in America by Freischutz · · Score: 1

      Right? It is so annoying when mass media companies allow the printing of speech I disagree with. I never do business with anyone that has a different opinion on anything then I have.

      A fine description of a Fox News customer.

    18. Re: There is only one kind of speech in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many judges would disagree with you. Se case law on public forums and the recent ruling of Trumps official Twitter.

    19. Re: There is only one kind of speech in America by MightyMartian · · Score: 1, Troll

      The ruling on Trump's twitter account was that he couldn't block it for certain people. Different argument. Comment forums, like newspaper editorial sections, have every right to not publish or edit any commentary letter. This is nothing new. If you don't like Youtube's rules, build your own forum, or, what the heck, use one of those nice accommodating ones like Stormfront.

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    20. Re: There is only one kind of speech in America by jgtg32a · · Score: 1

      I take it you don't know the facts of that case, I find it amusing that it is quotes so often. Try googling Schenck v. United States

    21. Re:There is only one kind of speech in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But the interesting difference between your lawn and google's lawn is google has opened their lawn to the public. For now you are correct but we do need to have a conversation about privately owned public spaces.

    22. Re: There is only one kind of speech in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The White House explicitly designated Trump's personal Twitter account as an "official communications channel". At that point, it became subject to the same limitations and requirements as any other official communications channel for the President of the United States. That includes data retention, and inability of said government to censor those members of the public who choose to use it to engage in protected speech.

    23. Re: There is only one kind of speech in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You act like I don't like the rules or I upset over YouTube censoring comments. I don't care. I'm simply saying that many judges disagree with what you said and case law would suggest that you are wrong at least from a legal standpoint.

    24. Re:There is only one kind of speech in America by WolfgangVL · · Score: 1

      IANAL, but my limited understanding is that when officially contracted by the US Govt, private companies are acting as 'agents' of the USA, and are indeed bound by all of the same things Uncle Sam is.

      Am I wrong??

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    25. Re:There is only one kind of speech in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      Marsh v Alabama.

      and this "only the government" smug shit is retarded. You idiots will happily outsource totalitarianism to the private sector because you think they agree with you. and they might. for the moment. but you dumb fucks also thought that you'd have permanent electoral majority so were ok removing the judical filibuster and with obama's expansion of federal power. Your friends will not always be in charge. the rod you forge will be for your own back.

      the principle of free speech needs to be defended, at all costs. it is the wellspring of everything we hold sacred.

    26. Re: There is only one kind of speech in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you are simply lying. Go fuck yourself, Ivan. The troll factory is closed for today.

    27. Re:There is only one kind of speech in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Got no problem taking you and your ilk and throwing you all into camps there bucko.

    28. Re: There is only one kind of speech in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it with you R-tards that anything you don't like is an "enemy of the people"?

      You know what is REALLY the enemy of the people? Saying shit like "enemy of the people" casually...

      "This red light is too long. Obviously an enemy of the people!"

      "You didn't clean your dog shit off the sidewalk. You're an enemy of the people!"

      "I post lies on the internet. I'm an ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE!"

      Get it? Didn't think so.

    29. Re:There is only one kind of speech in America by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Marsh v Alabama doesn't apply because a) YouTube set up rules of conduct regarding comments from the beginning. It did not single out one specific type of speech it would ban over another and b) YouTube also limits what can be posted as far as videos, and has done so from the beginning. Neither is an abridgement of free speech.

      The only ones outsourcing totalitarianism are Republicans who keep claiming the free market will fix everything, then turn around and use taxpayer money to prop up the free market and businesses. Or, in the current case, crawl into their holes while the corrupt con artist rides roughshod over them because they're too stupid and cowardly to do their duties as members of Congress to reign in his dictatorial ways.

      And for the record, I do agree that free speech should be defended. If nothing else, it reveals to the world the true nature of an individual. That said, there are limits, and a company has every right to censor speech on their site if that speech bumps up against their rules.

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    30. Re: There is only one kind of speech in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah projection is a interesting thing.

    31. Re: There is only one kind of speech in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It did not single out one specific type of speech it would ban over another"

      Got yah, so hate speech is all good and allowed then.

    32. Re: There is only one kind of speech in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tossing the Russia! Russia! Russia! card is the new Hitler! Nazi! Hitler! card.

      The moment you go there you auto automatically lose.

    33. Re:There is only one kind of speech in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So then you must be against neutrality. You isp is a private company and have right to block access to any site they wish.

    34. Re:There is only one kind of speech in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The right to free speech is based upon the notion that people are inclined to speak freely and, absent just reason, such inclinations should be allowed by decent fair minded people. So free speech is a philosophical product as well as a cultural value in western society in general. Add to this that speech occurs in a social framework so curtailment of a person's ability to freely speak implies there is someone who is stifling someone else's speech. Critical examination of people who stifle other's speech most often reveals grossly unsavory and unhealthy personality characteristics. This does not mean that anyone who curtails speech is a malevolent abuser. It just means that most often that is exactly the case. So pointing out that free speech has been sacrificed as a value in some social sphere or forum is in fact noteworthy and calls for examination.

      We have all kinds of rights. The Constitution only states the relationship between some of those rights and government actions. This does not mean our rights only exist with respect to the government. Our rights exist. Gov or no gov. I have the right to be secure in my person. Laws against assault, kidnapping, rape and others are just specific government actions that can be taken to assist in people asserting the right to be bodily secure. That right is not just limited to government action either. Oh, and people who offend other's bodily security are most often malevolent abusers as well.

      So saying the right was not respected is correct. On the other hand i have the right to say who can stand on my soapbox. But if I invite people to stand on the soapbox then change my mind, I should at least expect disappointment and demands for an explanation. I accept Youtube's explanation and respect their decision to simply remove the soapbox rather than try to discern which particular comments might be removed. Youtube may be wrong. They may be right. But there will be more events like this one so Youtube can contemplate their decision and try something else is the future if they wish.

    35. Re: There is only one kind of speech in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Corporate Progressive nazis sure do love patastate corporate censorship.

    36. Re: There is only one kind of speech in America by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      I wish every time one of you blithering imbecile parrots repeat thus stupidity about First Amendment somebody takes a paper copy of that and shoves it up your stupid asses until it comes out between you moron teeth.

      fa is just a paper. It means nothing. What important is the principle of free speech. And for that principle it absolutely does not matter what suppresses it, government or viseohosting de facto monopoly. At late stage capitalism monopolies are indistinguishable from governments.

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    37. Re: There is only one kind of speech in America by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      What important is the principle of free speech. And for that principle it absolutely does not matter what suppresses it, government or viseohosting de facto monopoly. At late stage capitalism monopolies are indistinguishable from governments.

      Nonsense. YouTube doesn't have a police force or an army. YouTube doesn't have a court system and prisons. The FA exists so the government can't arrest you for saying "The President is a moron," like they can in many, many other nations.

      ...and as for a "monopoly" this hearing could have been streamed on Vimeo or C-SPAN or Facebook or Twitter or a dozen different sites. Hardly a monopoly.

    38. Re:There is only one kind of speech in America by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      You isp is a private company and have right to block access to any site they wish.

      Of course. And I have the right to move to another ISP if they do.

    39. Re:There is only one kind of speech in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course. And I have the right to move to another ISP if they do.

      So again, you must be against net neutrality. Can you say it clearly just for the record, like how the Dems are trying to get Republicans to do on that NN bill.

      And furthermore, I take it you are opposed to government forcing that bakery to bake a gay wedding cake. That couple could have went to another bakery, right?

    40. Re:There is only one kind of speech in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever stopped to think about how all this ends? For all the lefts ranting and raving over nationalism, they are the ones feeding it.

      Do you really think that lgbtq - which is less than 2% of the population, or hyphen-americans, are going to be able to shame the majority in perpetuity?

      Eventually they'll get pushed back, and if we dont stop feeding the crazies on both sides, its not going to be peaceful. And Id bet on the majority to come out ahead in whatever is coming. So for all the fights we've had to get where we are, we'll go right back to where we started if this doesn't stop.

    41. Re:There is only one kind of speech in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Id be willing to bet you are the type who rails against money in politics interfering with the government. But somehow you defend private corporations when they do what lines up with your belief.

      What happens when that changes?

    42. Re:There is only one kind of speech in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the principle of free speech needs to be defended, at all costs.

      And in as many venues as feasible. If the purpose of a venue is free-exchange of ideas (like a comment section), then it should be a free exchange of ideas. Movie theater? Church service? Library? Some venues imply a certain decorum from attendees, so shouting whatever you want is socially unacceptable. Others, like a ball game, street corner, college campus sidewalk, invite disparate speech.

  3. Action and reaction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The more speech is suppressed the stronger the suppressed will react. Censorship is a loser's game

    1. Re:Action and reaction by pauljlucas · · Score: 1

      Censorship seems to be working well enough for the Chinese. Until YouTube has their own secret police that have unfettered power, what they're doing really isn't the same thing.

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    2. Re:Action and reaction by xenobyte · · Score: 1

      The more speech is suppressed the stronger the suppressed will react. Censorship is a loser's game

      Correct. Resorting to censorship is a desperate act of someone who doesn't want certain facts to come out.

      The only way to properly react to hate is to rebuff it in a open debate. If your arguments hold up, you'll not lose the debate. Suppressing certain views will only make them stronger.

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  4. Too Hateful??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    By what standards?

  5. And? by the_skywise · · Score: 4, Funny

    So it looked like the typical slashdot post comments then?

  6. Oversight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    YouTube blocked comments on this video because it's politically sensitive. They want to maintain control of the narrative, and having the congress look at the comments is likely to impact their control of the narrative.

    1. Re:Oversight by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The narrative here seems to be "talk about white nationalists, and gangs of white nationalists show up to prove just how demented and determined to be assholes they are."

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    2. Re:Oversight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ... and their perspective of blatant discrimination got validated by YouTube promptly censoring them.

      "Oh, but it's a corporation, not the government censoring them" isn't a great argument when you also claim that corporations own the government, and in this case, I'd agree with you that Google has an amazingly large, malign, influence on the government.

    3. Re:Oversight by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'd agree with you that Google has an amazingly large, malign, influence on the government.

      If that's true, then how is Trump president?

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    4. Re:Oversight by MightyMartian · · Score: 0, Troll

      Google doesn't control the government so far as I know, so no, the point is not invalidated. Google is not bound by the First Amendment. It is not a branch of the government. It has no obligation to carry every message that someone attempts to post to its comments, any more than a newspaper has any obligation to publish every letter to the editor.

      White Nationalists are picked on because they're idiotic and racist thugs. Like all pariahs, they will suffer considerable social censure. The Founding Fathers had no intention of protecting vile people from their neighbors' disapproval. The First Amendment is about not having the State interfere in their right to spew. The First Amendment does not apply to private corporations, no matter how cleverly (or in your case, how awkwardly) you try to reframe the statement.

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    5. Re:Oversight by lgw · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The narrative here seems to be "talk about white nationalists, and gangs of white nationalists show up to prove just how demented and determined to be assholes they are."

      That's certainly the narrative. I'd bet the reality is "the chans saw this as a wonderful opportunity to troll, plus some actual white nationalists (who were also channers).".

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    6. Re:Oversight by shanen · · Score: 0

      I think it's a bit deeper than that. Largely it's a kind of abuse of free speech (and anonymity) to attack certain kinds of speech. A kind of jujitsu, where the tolerance of a relatively open society is being used to subvert that society. Popper's Parsdox of Tolerance is highly relevant. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      My theory is that the extremism against any study of white nationalism is part of a larger effort to divide and conquer America, and it seems to be working rather well. That's not how Stephen Miller sees it, but I think he's quite sincere. About his own infinite superiority. As in white superiority.

      When you talk about "gangs", I think you may be onto something, even though I think their organization structure is different. And worthy of investigation, even congressional investigation. That's "worthy" in the negative sense of having large negative value and the potential for large harm.

      My other comment about the new Department of White Homeland Security is also relevant. Too bad #DWHS is unlikely to trend as a tag?

      Cue the trolls: "Stop calling all of Trump's supporters racists!" Of course that is not what I'm saying. Some of them are passively mindless, active fools, religious fanatics, exploitable suckers, or worse. Also ineducable, and if there are enough of them, then America is finished.

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    7. Re:Oversight by gtall · · Score: 3, Funny

      Because Google does have an amazingly large, malign, influence on the government?

    8. Re:Oversight by Mashiki · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's certainly the narrative. I'd bet the reality is "the chans saw this as a wonderful opportunity to troll, plus some actual white nationalists (who were also channers).".

      Don't worry, the media is currently all over the rainbow clowns(honkhonk) are really a white nationalist and neo-nazi symbol.

      The reality is, youtube doing this proves both sides right. YT is censoring some views(politically correct or not) and thus validating it. And the opposing side is "see look at all that hate! They were right!" Pure accelerationism all the way down, looks like the NZ nut was spot on.

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    9. Re:Oversight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very small-minded. Both Google and cable companies holding ISP monopolies have browsing and search information of every politician. Any rational and intelligent person with a business would gather that information with an opportunity presented to do it.
      To an average person it might be inconsequential because nobody gives a shit about average people right?
      To a politician, any tiniest of shit makes them sweat bullets, and stupid shit such as the blandest of porn terms connected to their personage. One of the first exceptions is Trump who doesn't give a fuck about blackmail and what anyone throws at him, because he's a crony businessman before a politician and he sees it as marketing that he can utilize because reputation takes on a different nature to a businessman as opposed to a politician.
      Career politicians however? Easiest people to blackmail with the tiniest most mundane-looking shit on them. So yeah, any corporation which has this kind of reach on politician, information or rather their PRIVATE information, has a filed day on their hands. Because it's only intelligent to do so, for lobbying especially.

    10. Re:Oversight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you wear the Klan hood because you believe or because you think you are trolling, at the end you are still wearing a Klan hood.

    11. Re:Oversight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Facebook also has an amazingly large, malign, influence on the government.

    12. Re: Oversight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your bigotry and racism overwhelm any point you were trying to make.

      Review your biases. After you realize how fucked up your hateful assumptions are you can try again. If successful your second effort will look vastly different than this blob of mindless bigotry.

      I suspect you will just get triggered and defensive if you ever read this but I tried.

    13. Re:Oversight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you hate the Chinese?

    14. Re:Oversight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's perfectly ok to use free speech to attack free speech. It's when its proponents succeed that we have a problem.

      'Extremism' is being used as ad hominem in place of rational argument. "If your position is far away from mine, you're wrong."

      Social justice has done more to fan the flames of bigotry than anything in recent memory.

    15. Re: Oversight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bigotry... I'm not sure that word means what you think it means

    16. Re:Oversight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hubris. None of the googlers realized that the working class has been shit upon by the DNC for 2 decades straight. It's the same hubris that Hilary, et al, showed.

    17. Re:Oversight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SHH They don't need us poors, we do nothing for them, they have the illegals to take our position, cheaper!

    18. Re:Oversight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Freedom of Speech is a concept that supercedes the scope of the 1st Amendment. The 1st Amendment is merely one instance of a principle of a free society.

      But this generation and people like you are far to ready to throw freedom of speech away and go "But we not government! 1st Amendment no apply!" in a delerious but unenlightened chant. And that's why college campuses turned into the echo chambers they are.

    19. Re: Oversight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're talking about Stephen Miller and claiming that he believes that he's superior to others by virtue of his race.

      I don't think you really want to put yourself alongside the other people who say that jews, like Mr. Miller, believe they're superior to everyone else.

    20. Re:Oversight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's no difference in pretending to be a Nazi and being a Nazi. It all reads the same.

    21. Re: Oversight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MightyMartian, you might have noticed that the comments for this story have been flooded by the same far right extremists (note comment count and content). Understand that you won't be able to post anything rational here that won't immediately get dogpiled and moderated down. Ask yourself who your target audience is - the few of us old timers who used to visit the site and already see this for what it is, or those that took it over to further their vile political ideology and are really, really not interested in listening.

    22. Re:Oversight by e0b521bb9d0246d0b619 · · Score: 1

      If you wear the Klan hood for any reason, you are a shit human being who deserves to experience exactly the kind of vile things that the Klan wants to do to non-white people.

    23. Re:Oversight by e0b521bb9d0246d0b619 · · Score: 1

      After which, the apologists show up to defend appalling behaviour by claiming "it's just joke bro". Tell you what, I'll shoot you in your face and tell you I'm trolling you, and we'll see how you feel about that.

    24. Re:Oversight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suppose there is a difference between trying to destroy civil society so you and your cronies can gain power and trying to destroy civil society just to watch it burn. But yeah, the effect is the same.

    25. Re:Oversight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As we used to say here: YHBL YHT HAND.

    26. Re:Oversight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not a narrative, that is irrefutably true. Have you seen their private chat channels? Luckily they've all been infiltrated and get leaked on a regular basis, so we can see what they're up to, and every single one of them plans these brigades. The very VERY few that are tech savvy enough to manage bots will do so, but mostly it's a bunch of basement dweller untermensches with 20-30 accounts open in different tabs constantly spamming.

  7. Dumb-but-serious question... by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I understand what a "white supremacist" is. I understand what a "French Nationalist", or a "Argentinian Nationalist" would be. However, the term "White Nationalist" is semantically and massively wrong (but then, so would "Black Nationalist" or "Asian Nationalist"...) After all, what nation is titled as "White"?

    I get that stamping out racism is a good thing, but seriously, folks - at least don't mangle the language while you do it.

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    1. Re:Dumb-but-serious question... by mcmonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      However, the term "White Nationalist" is semantically and massively wrong (but then, so would "Black Nationalist" or "Asian Nationalist"...) After all, what nation is titled as "White"?

      If someone was a nationalist, and thought their nation should be solely or dominantly one race, would it not be semantically and massively correctly to refer to them as a "[Race] Nationalist"?

      (Race being not a biological category, as humans are a single species, but a reference to skin color, geographical ancestry, or religion.)

    2. Re:Dumb-but-serious question... by psycho12345 · · Score: 1

      White Nationalist is someone who believes there should be a White ethnostate. No immigration except from "correct" countries and definitely no importing or mixing of cultures.

      You are correct that there is such country, but these people want to MAKE such a country. In recognition that there is no unclaimed land in the world currently, the only remaining option to make such a country is to remove any non white person.

      The only country that could really pull this off is... Russia.

    3. Re:Dumb-but-serious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gotta label people. Without labels or epithets or slurs, you'd actually have to explain your thoughts. Labels let you bark out your anger, and choose up sides, no thought required.

    4. Re:Dumb-but-serious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      States and nations are often used interchangeably but they're not the same thing. States are territories controlled by a government, and a nations are a people. The Saami nation exists from Norway to Russia (all sovereign states), for example.

      A nation-state is a state defined by a single nation, like Japan or Switzerland.

      Ethnic nationalism is the formation of a nation from an ethnicity. White nationalists seek to encourage and enforce a national identity among people on the basis of skin color. (Black nationalists are a little more complicated because of the distinction between black people and the "African American" culture that was formed from the descendants of slaves in the absence of their original heritage.)

    5. Re:Dumb-but-serious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a "white nationalist" (according to pro-segregationist SJW nutjobs).

    6. Re:Dumb-but-serious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that is NOT what "White Nationalist" refers to. White Nationalist refers to anyone with any opinion that is "nationalist" in nature and happens to be a white person. In other words a "white nationalist" in common parlance is a white person who is a nationalist NOT a person looking to form a white nation. This may confuse some people because there probably is a very very tiny subset of "white, nationalists" that are also "white nationalists" who really are looking to form a white nation.

      The problem is using this crappy language to create accidental or purposeful misconceptions about white people. White nationalist is not and should not be considered a bad thing. Being a nationalist is not bad. Being white is not bad.

    7. Re:Dumb-but-serious question... by Freischutz · · Score: 1

      However, the term "White Nationalist" is semantically and massively wrong (but then, so would "Black Nationalist" or "Asian Nationalist"...) After all, what nation is titled as "White"?

      If someone was a nationalist, and thought their nation should be solely or dominantly one race, would it not be semantically and massively correctly to refer to them as a "[Race] Nationalist"?

      (Race being not a biological category, as humans are a single species, but a reference to skin color, geographical ancestry, or religion.)

      Humans are so lacking in genetic diversity that the closest we get to 'race' is 'trivial regional variations'.

    8. Re:Dumb-but-serious question... by slinches · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It also works semantically if someone is a nationalist, who happens to be white. Which provides a convenient way to conflate nationalism with racism.

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    9. Re:Dumb-but-serious question... by sycodon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem is that when you say you are a Nationalist, as Trump did, the Left automatically adds, "White" to the beginning.

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    10. Re:Dumb-but-serious question... by shplopt · · Score: 1

      The term "nation" is commonly used to refer to a legally defined nation-state but this is not its first or only meaning.

      From Wiktionary:

      nation (plural nations)

      A historically constituted, stable community of people, formed on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life, ethnicity and/or psychological make-up manifested in a common culture.

      The Roma are a nation without a country.

      The Kurdish people constitute a nation in the Middle East

    11. Re:Dumb-but-serious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I understand what a "white supremacist" is. I understand what a "French Nationalist", or a "Argentinian Nationalist" would be. However, the term "White Nationalist" is semantically and massively wrong (but then, so would "Black Nationalist" or "Asian Nationalist"...) After all, what nation is titled as "White"?

      It's aspirational (unlike your example, "French Nationalist," which is cultural and geographic). A white nationalist is someone who aspires to create a nation that is ethnically white. Black nationalists, back in the 60's, sought to create a nation that was ethnically black.

      We can debate about whether it's possible to define "white" and "black" (like many here, I'm not convinced you can in any meaningful way), but that doesn't relevant. White supremacists think they can, and they hope to create an ethnically pure nation. Hence, the perfectly valid English construction "white nationalism."

    12. Re: Dumb-but-serious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know who else called himself a nationalist? Hitler. Let that sink in for a minute.

    13. Re:Dumb-but-serious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, a white nationalist is a person who believes a nation should be formed of and for people with white colored skin (sometimes with interesting definitions of what they consider "white"). What you are describing instead already has a word: "nationalist." Would you call a white person who prefers socialist policies a "white socialist?" No, because the color of the person's skin is irrelevant to the conversation unless the person is calling for social welfare specifically for white people.

    14. Re:Dumb-but-serious question... by TimothyHollins · · Score: 2

      The entire field of genetics would disagree with you. Perhaps you haven't thought about it, but the whole reason there are so many biologists is specifically because there is a buttload of genetic variation within the human species, and figuring out how that affects us is pretty tricky. Throwing around numbers like 2% or 4% is popular when you don't understand that those 2% may be the switches that turn on or off or mutate the remaining 98%.

      For example, did you know that the difference between friendly, harmless, likeable bird flu that bothers no one and murderous, destructive, evil bird flu that kills the host is a single nucleotide. That means that two strains that differ by a single point in some 13.5 thousand points behave very differently. So 2% of that, or 270 points, can cause a lot of variation.

    15. Re:Dumb-but-serious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only nations that could pull this off are the 33 out of 44 nations in Europe which don't have any history of colonizing black or brown shitholes and therefore have no white guilt about it, and out of those 33 the majority have just reasons to wage war against the Middle East and Asia unlike Westerners on account of the Middle East or Asia pulling their knives first against them and enslaving most of them for centuries while you Westerners were busy enslaving blacks.
      Now there's a group of uneducated dumbshit Western whites who believe their white guilt can be projected onto 33 nations that don't share their history of guilt in the slightest, or a bunch of black and brown idiots who never picked a global history book in their life and think they can extort the "whites" of these 33 nations the same way they can western whites. As a big bonus the nationalism in Slavic nations was the driving force in not only freeing them from Mongol/Ottoman slavery and oppression, but also a vital reason to fight Nazi Germany which sought to eradicate it all and also a reason to burn Communism to the ground which sought to revise/erase their identities, so a dumb Westerner's view of nationalism is incompatible and irrelevant to most of these Caucasian nations.
      Multiculturalists can try their shit in ex-colonial nations where you can hook the whites on guilt, but don't even try to push your stupid shit on incompatible white cultures, especially when you are a dumb white western multiculturalist who is at the same time as a white westerner an enemy to most of those nations throughout history who has fucked with them enough that you have no place to preach to them.

    16. Re: Dumb-but-serious question... by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      You know who also liked dogs? Hitler. Let that sink in for a moment.

      Not everything done by a bad person is a bad thing. I'm not saying that calling oneself a nationalist is a good thing (it wasn't), but "Hitler did it" is a stupid line of argument. Hitler did a lot of perfectly innocuous things, like everyone else does.

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    17. Re:Dumb-but-serious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You have to destroy language to control the narrative. So many words have lost their meaning over the last few years.

    18. Re: Dumb-but-serious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was also a vegan liberal arts major who allied himself with Muslims, houses their fundamentalist leaders with open arms, was part of a German minority in a nation he hated because it was one of a few surrounding superpowers who oppressed the poor little Germans and kept them fractured for centuries, was anti-imperialist (only to become a parody of it), and sported a stache and emo haircut which were his equivalents of dying the hair blue and wearing thick-frame glasses today. Sound familiar?

    19. Re:Dumb-but-serious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Replace 'race' with 'breed', like breeds of dogs. All dogs are the same species, but no one mistakes a Dachshund for a Great Dane. In the same way, no one mistakes a Pygmy for a Masai. We may all be the same species, and have all the same genes, but the alleles within those genes can differ substantially, and those 'trivial regional variations' as you call them can account for one hell of a difference in the real world, whether polite society wants to acknowledge the truth or hide it behind a screen of obscurantist bullshit.

    20. Re:Dumb-but-serious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Nation" is often used as a synonym for "country", but it is a different word and has a distinct meaning. An "American nationalist (who happens to be white)" is not the same thing as a "white nationalist".

      A "white nationalist" is, by definition, one who believes that "white people" are a distinct national grouping, in the same way as people talk about the "Cherokee nation" or the "Jewish nation".

    21. Re:Dumb-but-serious question... by asdfman2000 · · Score: 1

      However, the term "White Nationalist" is semantically and massively wrong (but then, so would "Black Nationalist" or "Asian Nationalist"...) After all, what nation is titled as "White"?

      I get that stamping out racism is a good thing, but seriously, folks - at least don't mangle the language while you do it.

      I've been musing on this lately, as accusations of being a "White Nationalist" have become extremely bizarre. For example, claiming "White Nationalists" love anime or that multi-racial groups like the Proud Boys are "White Nationalists".

      I think there are two main points with this:

      • Racist has become so watered down that it has lost all of its emotional punch. It's not enough that someone is Racist; now they're a White Nationalist despite not being white nor advocating for a white-only nation.
      • Polarization and echo chambers have created a situation where no one bothers to even listen to those who disagree. Instead, everyone who you oppose is all one big nebulous group. This is where you get people claiming there are black "White Nationalists" or "Neo-Nazi" Ayn Randian Objectivists (Ayn Rand was of Jewish ancestry, as were many early influential objectivists).
    22. Re:Dumb-but-serious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet homo sapiens is the only species we delineate into races, meaning that any definition we use for "race" isn't just close to race, it is race. It 's also one of the most generally agreed upon culturally-defined categories that we have, so the "reality" of them in cultural and mental structural terms is pretty damn indisputable. And I say this as a very hard leftist with a social science doctorate.

      That's not to say we shouldn't question these categories or that they have remained static over time and space. Yeah, it isn't biological cladistics, but to claim that just because race /= speciation means that it doesn't exist or have salience is pure foolishness.

    23. Re:Dumb-but-serious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      White Nationalism is the radical notion that we whites have human rights.
      Specifically:

      we have the right to ethnicity
      we have the right to nationality
      we have the right to our culture
      we have the right to national self-determination
      we have the right to self-government

      Fight for a Free White Nation!!!

    24. Re:Dumb-but-serious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      White Nationalism is the radical notion that we whites have human rights.
      Specifically:

      we have the right to ethnicity
      we have the right to nationality
      we have the right to our culture
      we have the right to national self-determination
      we have the right to self-government

      Fight for a Free White Nation!!!
      Visualize a Free White Nation!!!

    25. Re: Dumb-but-serious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hitler was a vegetarian, maybe even vegan.

    26. Re:Dumb-but-serious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. You would just call them a racist. Or Chinese, or Japanese, or just about any country outside of Europe and North America. Just plain old racist.

      The term "Nationalist" is part of the battle of words in a big way these days. The Apollo moonshot was nationalist. Martin Luther King framed his appeals within a Nationalist framework. The debates for National healthcare were framed in Nationalistic terms...umm..National healthcare. A great number of very positive governmental things can be best perceived and implemented on a National basis. But there's that word so those things are thwarted. But sure, since corporations do not wish to be answerable to the public in any way, that means that governments must be subjugated so any government whisper that is not corporate approved IS EXACTLY LIKE FUCKING HITLER..NATIONALIST SCUM. And that's what many have been conditioned to believe is Nationalism. You know...like Hitler or something.

      So why waste such a valuable and massive opportunity for conditioning? White (racist) Nationalist. Corporations have been working to tie these thing together for a long time. Finally some of the populace has become so dimwitted as to actually crudely express their fears unburdened by grace so corporations have gotten their dream. Paint the most privileged group as innately evil and you can have your way with them and the rest. Of course if you are a white corporatist you can use your position within the corporation to get what you want personally and politically. Sinking into the flames of contempt the hopes for a single voice of a nation is reduced to a cacophony of bickering. Shackled at last...shackled at last...thank the Angel of Light shackled at last. And you don't even have to pay for steel.

    27. Re: Dumb-but-serious question... by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      The difference between white racism and racism of other races is that it is centered on segregation. While racists of other races hate others they are willing to tolerate them in some form of existence.

      Another distinction is that since white nationalists are anti Semitic they are agains Ashkenazi Jews as well, who are pretty white (some of them are not pretty). Which makes them closer to WASP nationalists.

      Xenophobia knows many shades and it is a basic animalistic emotion.

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    28. Re:Dumb-but-serious question... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Racist has become so watered down that it has lost all of its emotional punch.

      That happened a few years ago in the UK. After a decade of being told that expressing legitimate concerns about immigration was being racist the country responded by voting to leave the EU.

      When politicians ignore genuine concerns they force extreme responses.

      It's not enough that someone is Racist; now they're a White Nationalist despite not being white nor advocating for a white-only nation.

      Yeah, I've been called a white supremacist on here for daring to hold non-white people to the same standards to which I hold everybody. I've been called a racist by a journalist for suggesting that England is over populated and should thus seek to reduce net immigration.

      Meanwhile I've visited six continents, lived in three countries and don't know my own genetic ancestry. Like I give a fuck about skin colour.

    29. Re:Dumb-but-serious question... by e0b521bb9d0246d0b619 · · Score: 1

      And the problem is that Trumpanzees like you don't possess the cranial capacity to consider *why* that association is made.

    30. Re:Dumb-but-serious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're confusing nationalism with nationality. Those are two vastly different concepts who's only connection is that they both have something to do with nations. Nationalism is an ideology that selects a subset of the population which it identifies as "the people" (with potentially any defining quality, such as language, genotype, or perhaps a very specific ancestry - pretty much anything that could be considered a "race", really) and then strives to give this "people" sovereign authority which is aimed toward promoting the benefit and standing of that particular group, with everyone else as "not the people". Individuals without the defining trait are typically regarded as intruders or somehow having less right to exist in the nationalist's society, but may be regarded has having equal standing provided that they leave and make their own separate nation. Alternatively, the nationalists may be of the separatist variety, which seek to remove themselves as subjects of the broader society that they are in and create a sovereign state just for themselves.

      When you write "French Nationalist" it appears that you're actually referring to a "French National" (or possibly a nationalist who just happens to be French). Black nationalism does exist and is actually a big thing (just not inside America or Europe). A white nationalist doesn't need a nation called "White" - again, that would be a "White national", not nationalist) but one who feels that people who are not white do not belong in their country (or shouldn't be treated as full citizens by virtue of not being white) are white nationalists.

    31. Re:Dumb-but-serious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buzzword driven morons like to throw 'stats' around like they tell you the whole story.

      Its much easier to look at one number and make false conclusions that sound good. Unfortunately people are idiots and fall for this all the time.

    32. Re:Dumb-but-serious question... by strikethree · · Score: 1

      I get that stamping out racism is a good thing, but seriously, folks - at least don't mangle the language while you do it.

      The language mangling is intentional. There are weird people out there with weird motivations that involve people other than themselves. There are some really insane people on this planet.

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    33. Re:Dumb-but-serious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a naive statement, and what naive modding on it.

      White Supremacy is the belief that an imaginary white 'race' is superior. White Nationalism is the political belief that the white race should be the dominating political apparatus in the nation in question.

      Not understanding this is quite alarming, and having your post modded up is even more alarming.

      The equivocation I see on this website is so obviously spun from middle class white USA it is astonishing in it's ignorance and tacit approval.

    34. Re: Dumb-but-serious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump poops, you know who else pooped?

    35. Re:Dumb-but-serious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was actually Trump's long and public history of racism that added "White" to the beginning of his "Nationalism". He literally said that White Nationalists are "very fine people".

      If someone were to call a group of self-proclaimed child molesters "very fine people", not a single soul would equivocate that with not endorsing child molestation.

    36. Re:Dumb-but-serious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As mentioned above, it doesn't matter if the Proud Boys aren't explicitly white nationalist. They openly and publicly advocate for their inclusion in their group, and consider them comrades in arms against the left. Imagine if some questionable group heaped praise upon a group that was notorious for molesting children. Do you think they would get accepted by praising how well the child molesters molest children? That is the best analogy I've heard about the situation. If you don't want to be lumped into the shitpile with white nationalists, you do everything in your power to denounce them.

  8. It is kind of shocking by Lucas123 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm no babe in the woods (I completed my 100th trip around the block last week), but I've seen some comment threads on news sites that would convince you Neanderthals didn't go extinct; they're alive and well. You just hope the comments are more troll/bombastic in nature and not what people truly believe (OK, maybe I am still a bit naive).

    1. Re:It is kind of shocking by conoviator · · Score: 1

      So true. It makes me wonder just what percentage of our species are cretins. Probably not a small percentage.

    2. Re:It is kind of shocking by Bobrick · · Score: 1, Funny

      Mod parent naive.

    3. Re:It is kind of shocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We simply do not want to be exterminated. You will never comment similarly on any other ethnonationalist, only white. Why is that.

    4. Re:It is kind of shocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congratulations, geezer. I hope I can still rack up mod points at that age.

  9. Trump's latest government deform: #DWHS by shanen · · Score: 1, Troll

    I have a new theory for what's going on now. Among other real-world effects, it explains such extremist reactions on YouTube.

    Actually it's not really Trump's idea, but must be coming from Stephen Miller and his associates. Trump is just the puppet. Again.

    The Department of Homeland Security is under reconstruction.

    Coming soon: The Department of WHITE Homeland Security. #DWHS

    Don't think of it as the largest piece of the federal government running amok.

    It's just color coordination. White House and White Homeland.

    Not sure who coined the term "slow-moving coup". Perhaps Bill Maher? But they are shifting out of first gear now. I'm even beginning to think Trumpism has some of the potential of Stalinism. Depends on the depth of the purge. If the Trumpists start purging the "weaklings" among themselves, that would be an exceedingly bad sign. (I had to wrestle with that "If" for a while...)

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    1. Re:Trump's latest government deform: #DWHS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck off Ivan. Stop trying to sow discord among Americans. Don't you have some Russian shit to attend too so late in the night?

    2. Re:Trump's latest government deform: #DWHS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks is the dumbest thing I've ever read.

    3. Re:Trump's latest government deform: #DWHS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This... *sigh*

    4. Re:Trump's latest government deform: #DWHS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, fairly new to this site?

    5. Re:Trump's latest government deform: #DWHS by gtall · · Score: 2

      Just look back at Trump's history, he's been a racist all along. Miller is as well, but Trump is a willing participant.

    6. Re:Trump's latest government deform: #DWHS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, the guy who built a country club and let black people in, thereby pissing off racist Florida Democrats, is totally racist.

      Sorry you're losing your underclass. Pick your own avocados, you wretched fuck.

    7. Re:Trump's latest government deform: #DWHS by shanen · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Hmm... I'm not certain. I am convinced that Trump thinks HE himself is (genetically and presidentially and otherwise) superior, but I think it is mostly at a personal, familial level rather than at a racial level. Rather I suspect Trump is so solipsistic that he has no real feelings about groups as such. Therefore I think Trump can be played by the racists, but he isn't nearly as sincere about it as Miller and Bannon. I think Trump has always been a puppet, and the only trick to pulling his strings is to convince Trump it was his idea in the first place. As long as you are pushing him from behind, Trump thinks he's leading.

      Having said that, I do have to agree that there is plenty of racist stuff in Trump's past. The Central Park Jogger stuff is especially bad, but there was some less racist stuff mixed in, too. For example, if a black celebrity could help him make some money, then Trump was much more concerned about the money than the race.

      I just don't think Trump was smart enough to come up with the idea of the Department of White Homeland Security, and his willingness is not that important. In fact, now he seems to be getting cold feet.

      If Trump had any imagination, then I'd think he was afraid of a protest mocking one of his own rallies. I still want to see the video of "Lock kids up, LOCK KIDS UP!" In my imagination, the protesters are in Trump face, and the video builds to an angry crescendo before collapsing into howls of insane rage.

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    8. Re:Trump's latest government deform: #DWHS by shanen · · Score: 1

      I have a new theory for what's going on now. Among other real-world effects, it explains such extremist reactions on YouTube.

      Actually it's not really Trump's idea, but must be coming from Stephen Miller and his associates. Trump is just the puppet. Again.

      The Department of Homeland Security is under reconstruction.

      Coming soon: The Department of WHITE Homeland Security. #DWHS

      Don't think of it as the largest piece of the federal government running amok.

      It's just color coordination. White House and White Homeland.

      Not sure who coined the term "slow-moving coup". Perhaps Bill Maher? But they are shifting out of first gear now. I'm even beginning to think Trumpism has some of the potential of Stalinism. Depends on the depth of the purge. If the Trumpists start purging the "weaklings" among themselves, that would be an exceedingly bad sign. (I had to wrestle with that "If" for a while...)

      Well, well, well. Something certainly seems to have triggered someone.

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    9. Re:Trump's latest government deform: #DWHS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL I love it. You're a parrot. Jew-hater Omar calls jewish Miller "white nationalist" and people laugh at her. Then Abrams tries to jump on it too. Stacey Abrams is the Hillary Redux. You lost. Get over it.

    10. Re:Trump's latest government deform: #DWHS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, well, well. Something certainly seems to have triggered someone.

      Have you considered murdering a couple of hundred million of your countrymen in a massive civil war, in order to trigger the libs?

    11. Re:Trump's latest government deform: #DWHS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, there is a lot going on in your imagination. Unfortunately for you, you are projecting all your bad thoughts into what you *think* trump thinks. Shows you to be a racist moron yourself.

  10. fALSE fLAG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nAZIS aRE pEOPLE tOO1

  11. Russian Trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surely there will be an investigation that links this to Russian Trolls, right? Right?!

  12. Pro-Trump slogans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tried slipping that one in along with the rest, eh?

  13. They should see Starcraft II general chat! by King_TJ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Seriously .... it's amazingly bad, how often online conversations or comments on social media devolve into utter garbage. I imagine in this instance, it was egged on because of the political topic of discussion. Furthermore? I'm fairly confident the vast majority of "white supremacist" comments were made by teenagers trying to get a rise out of people.

    I mean, sure -- you really DO have these racist hate groups around. But they're generally rather disorganized or lack enough membership to do anything significant. You have FAR more people who are just angry and like to talk trash than you do people who are truly committed to promoting neo-nazis or some kind of white supremacy movement.

    1. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by cristiroma · · Score: 1

      Seriously .... it's amazingly bad, how often online conversations or comments on social media devolve into utter garbage.

      YEP.EVERY.FUCKING.TIME

    2. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by thereddaikon · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Agreed. Just look at 4chan, the guys who tried to get "hitler did nothing wrong" voted as a new Mountain Dew flavor. The do it to get a rise out of people, or in their own words, do it for the lulz. There certainly are real neo nazis, stormfront wouldn't exist otherwise, but that site has always been tiny. I think it more closely represents the true size of such groups. And they aren't all that big or threatening.

      What we do have is a polarization problem right now. It feels like people are generally more divided than they have been in some time. Trolls being trolls and Godwin's law has always been a thing. But now I see people seriously calling others Nazis and getting into fights about it. Guys, nobody is a Nazi. We used to be able to disagree about politics. Just exaggerating everything and demonizing one another just pushes each other farther apart. Until eventually we do have people who are something like Nazis when they otherwise wouldn't be.

    3. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by LordAba · · Score: 2

      Absolutely, the amount of actual white nationalists on there was probably very small. Most people aren't racist. They might at worse grumble and hold some prejudice views, but wouldn't discriminate. A lot of trolls which... hey! Why not!

      I'm more worried about the left identitarian stuff. That has a bigger chance of actually implementing policy changes with far reaching consequences.

    4. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Um, actually, if you march carrying torches at night shouting Nazi slogans, then yes, you are a Nazi. Mike Godwin himself, author of that law, came out and publicly said "Go right ahead and call them Nazis, because they are!" AC

    5. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by mcmonkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Guys, nobody is a Nazi.

      You generally have a good point, but the people marching with torches chanting "the Jews will not replace us" are nazis.

      Not everyone who disagrees with me is a nazi. Nor is everyone more conservative than I am or everyone who believes negative stereotypes based on skin color or religion.

      But that does not mean there are no nazis.

    6. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      You dance with the one that brung ya.

      If these 4chan types are aping racist sentiments just because it pisses the adults off, well, in my view, at best that makes them deluded pricks. But it's worse than that, because if nothing else they act as an unwitting online army for the really nasty guys. Racism is still racism, whether it's just some attempt at a bit self-masturbatory humor. Even if it's some sort of satire, there's a way to do satire of racists that doesn't involve basically behaving exactly like a racist.

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    7. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IIRC there were more adult men who showed up to a My Little Pony convention than there are White Nationalists

    8. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed calling somebody a nazi means people know nothing about history or go ballistic or both. This happens fast. Medium has certainly something to do with it. Few lunies did not disturb so much before internet because one had no trouble to isolate oneself from them. Now they scream and shout and some of them can do it with impunity if they are on the 'right' that is 'left' or e.g. feminist side. I guess we will get a proper censorship first then if we are lucky we skip on mass repressions for 'thoughtcrime' and move to rationalization of discourse. Possibly this will be interrupted by AI apocalypse or some other shit that few mad scientists do. I guess the longest period of 'peace' (as seen from perspective of western Europe) is now definitely over. Germans have no working army but we have 'activists' and antifa to keep us awake at night.

    9. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      But there's a path from just being a "grumbler" to becoming an active supporter. Prior to the Nazi racial laws, general grumbling about Jews was pretty common. Talk to your average German in, say, the 1920s, and the idea that every Jew under German control would end up in concentration camps or being murdered on an industrial scale would have seemed ludicrous. Oh sure, they'd probably bring up some popular tropes of the day about the greedy Jew, and they had a cousin who had a friend who had been stiffed by a Jew or denied a bank loan by a Jew or didn't get a job because of Jew, but out of that sort of embryonic discomfort and low-grade dislike the Nazis were able to build a society that was violently anti-Semitic, to the point where God-fearing men and women facilitated that transfer and execution of millions of Jews. And it didn't even take that long; less than a decade for long-standing discomfort with Jews to turn into genocide.

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    10. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am more worried about my people being exterminated by politicians pushing third world immigration to every and only white countries than I am about fabricated wedge issues.

    11. Re: They should see Starcraft II general chat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop tarring a great leader by bringing up Godwin and Trump.

      Whatever their other similarities, Hitler was a patriot who served in the military, not a draft dodging, spoiled, obese brat.

    12. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by geekymachoman · · Score: 0

      I mostly see people calling for a lynch of entertainers that they perceive as white nationalists... seriously, I'm just waiting for pitchforks.

      I've been on youtube quite a lot watching all kind of crap, so far... I've never seen a video promoting nazism or white supremacy... seriously, have you ?

      There might be one guy that 5 people care about, and that's it. What's this "white nationalist" bullshit going around ? Where, and who are these white nationalists that are threat to anybody ? Not counting those 5 dudes.

      These people are so marginalized it's stupid even to talk about them... I would care more about black nationalists in South Africa that are openly calling for violence against white farmers, than anything else.

    13. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sorry to tell you, most people are racist. Only whites brainwashed by the public education system to accept their destruction aren't. That is why we have situations like South Africa.

    14. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by LordAba · · Score: 1

      But there's a path from just being a "grumbler" to becoming an active supporter.

      There is the slippery slope analogy and the slippery slope fallacy. I'm thinking you are more on the fallacy side, as there isn't widespread resentment among any groups (Jews still top the list of hate crimes in the US despite all the talk of Islamophobia).

      Anyways, it's a good case study AGAINST isolation of your more radical ideas. After all, if it wasn't for the economic reparations and general isolation of German interests post-WWI, would the grumbling reach its fevered pitch? As they say, learn from history or repeat it.

    15. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by fafalone · · Score: 2

      Nah. They don't deserve nearly that much credit. At best they're nazi wannabes.

    16. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most contemporary anti-semites are not nazis ...

    17. Re: They should see Starcraft II general chat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea because that's how we measure things. Based on how many men like my little pony. /s

      Fucking
      Idiot.

    18. Re: They should see Starcraft II general chat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://kkk.com/

      You were saying?

    19. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Wasn't it "you will not replace us"? I've yet to find the video where they say the Jews one.

    20. Re: They should see Starcraft II general chat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, nobody who isn't a history major or an nonegenarian knows a single thing that was part of the Nazi party platform except anti-semitism. So, in the future, just read "nazi" as "anti-semite". That's apparently what the word means, now.

    21. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by jrumney · · Score: 1

      Most people aren't racist. They might at worse grumble and hold some prejudice views

      So...they're racist, you're saying.

      I'm more worried about the left identitarian stuff.

      I had to look that up. Apparently it is a far-right and white nationalist movement that originated in France.

    22. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by ruddk · · Score: 1

      It seems that in most live streams with political topic, it is just spammy crap that isn't really worth your time. It's not even clever trolling, just noise really.

    23. Re: They should see Starcraft II general chat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, he did an accurate measurement given the biggest documented neo-nazi group in USA has 40 members, and they are all documented and tracked by many various parties.

    24. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry to have to drop in a bit of reality, but no, they are not.
      To be a Nazi you would need to be a member of the national socialist german workers party (yep, thats right, Nazis were socialists..), which is LONG gone.

      I think you mean a Neo Nazi, which are generally thugs who thing that its a good excuse to be a thug, and wouldnt know the first thing about the actual Nazi party.

    25. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every post in this thread should be erased except yours. /end of story.

      way back on old school battlenet in starcraft 1, i did a lot of Brood War multiplayer and if I had to keep track of how many times i was called a F---got or a N-----r.... I'd have needed a god damn database to store it all.

    26. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > You generally have a good point, but the people marching with torches chanting "the Jews will not replace us" are nazis.

      That is not the definition of "NAZI".

    27. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When Jews make themselves a stench in the nose of gentiles what do you expect ? Schlecter starved to death just after WW1 ... Lasker did not. Polish and German Juuz pimped Lenins Russ invasion after WW1. Gets old BOSCO ... continued submission to Trotsky-slut memes. Fuck the wind ... reap the whirlwind ... bitch.

    28. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it is lazy to call them Nazis. Sure, they are vile and share similarities, but real Nazis had differences. I had a professor who was a Nazi. For real. He was an officer during WW2 and a party member. Needless to say he was much brighter and probably more effectively dangerous than the bozos marching in Virginia. Unfortunately the marching asses and their admirers are more difficult in that they are not sane enough to predict. They really don't give a fuck about Jews or anyone else. They would gladly beat up kittens if it fed their hatred.

    29. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you're the one who's wrong? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHPfSDvUIAA8xKQ.jpg

    30. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what's up with the Jews holding signs saying "The Jews will replace you" and praising the falling proportion of non-Hispanic white people in America? What's the deal?

    31. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for deleting my insightful comments

    32. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by stealth_finger · · Score: 2

      To be a Nazi you would need to be a member of the national socialist german workers party (yep, thats right, Nazis were socialists..),

      Yeah, in the same way that North Korea is a Democratic Peoples Republic...

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    33. Re: They should see Starcraft II general chat! by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Yea because that's how we measure things. Based on how many men like my little pony. /s

      Fucking Idiot.

      If more men like my little pony than your thing, well your thing is pretty fucking shitty.

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    34. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by Lord_Jeremy · · Score: 1

      Hah. I hadn't played StarCraft II or any video games with some sort of general chat in a long while. A few weeks ago I opened it up and glanced at the chat room while setting up a game. Oh man... it gave me flashbacks to when I was a teenager and what I can assume were other idiot/asshole teenagers were flinging around verbal abuse and filth. I simply had forgotten that's what it was like.

    35. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by Lord_Jeremy · · Score: 1

      They were switching between both slogans, from what I remember. In any case, "Jews will not replace us" is a direct reference to the (clearly ridiculous) white genocide conspiracy theory which is sometimes referred to as the jewish replacement theory. It basically asserts that the supposed jewish rulers of all world institutions have a master plan of breeding, advancing and manipulating subhuman/inferior black and brown races to use as slave labor. Meanwhile, the theory goes that this necessitates the marginalization of the "superior" white/aryan races. White supremacists use this abhorrently racist and intellectually baseless theory to justify their actions of violence and hate as a necessary self-defense against a future where white people are the victims of genocide.

    36. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your only concern is to silence and stop people from having an opinion you despise, then you'll have a bad time soon.

      People don't become Nazis or Leftists or Communists for no reason. Even if the reason they see is stupid, it's real to them. The moment you stop talking to them or try to understand what they want, you will never stop them radicalising.

    37. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I think it is lazy to call them Nazis. Sure, they are vile and share similarities, but real Nazis had differences

      I concur. Call out these people accurately using correct terms, and it's a lot easier to then address the challenge.

      Labelling them with a catch-all slur isn't just lazy, it provides a shield too. "Of course I'm not a Nazi, I don't.." means they get to reject your entire attack because they're not actually a Nazi.

    38. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by Cederic · · Score: 1

      What's this "white nationalist" bullshit going around ? Where, and who are these white nationalists that are threat to anybody ? Not counting those 5 dudes.

      Browse this discussion at -1 and you'll find an irritating amount of it.

      Of course, you do need to browse at -1 because those views are generally regarded as extreme, stupid and/or obnoxious and get modded down.

      What's harder to assess is how many of the posts are by people that believe what they're writing, and how many are merely trolling.

    39. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Truth doesn't matter anymore. Anything is fine to say so long as it is against Trump or Republicans.

    40. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Of course I'm not a Nazi, I don't.." is just a variation on "No true Scotsman". You're attempting to hide Nazism by narrowing its definition to the infintesimal until it applies to nothing. A typical exercise in reframing. Meanwhile, back in reality, people with even a modicum of common sense can tell that they were indeed Nazis.

    41. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You generally have a good point, but the people marching with torches chanting "the Jews will not replace us" are nazis.

      The trouble is that I've seen the label "Nazi" thrown around to label just about anyone who is even slightly conservative - e.g. Milo Yiannopolous, a gay Jew married to a black man, which should make him one of the least likely Nazis in the country. Consequently, when I see a statement that protesters were chanting "the Jews will not replace us", I am suddenly, intensely skeptical.

      Worse, I see claims that, because such people are supposedly Nazis, they should be censored. This sets off alarm bells for me. I wouldn't look for Nazis being censored - but I might look for them doing the censoring.

    42. Re:They should see Starcraft II general chat! by LordAba · · Score: 1

      So...they're racist, you're saying.

      There is a difference between racism and prejudice, so you are wrong.

  14. Not likely as True wins over minorities by SuperKendall · · Score: 0, Troll

    Not sure why Trump would do anything like that with his approval numbers among minorities increasing steadily.

    After a few years most minorities have started to realize that living is prosperity is far better than living on a Democratic plantation being mined for votes...

    You want bitter white nationalism, look no further than the majority of Democrat presidential candidates. If Hillary had won for sure we'd see a DWHS, not a surprise from an elderly southern white woman.

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    1. Re: Not likely as True wins over minorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's it kendall.
      Or should I call you kendoll.
      I've defended your viewpoints in the past.
      That last post struck a nerve.
      I'll give you a chance to think about your actions here.
      I don't want to think that you are an idiot like the trollers say but you are rapidly proving them correct

    2. Re:Not likely as True wins over minorities by gtall · · Score: 1

      Read that article, it is only talking about Hispanics, not minorities in general.

    3. Re:Not likely as True wins over minorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ummm....

      She's from Illinois, dumbfuck. But don't let facts get in the way of a good "Lock Her Up!" rant from you inbred dumbass redneck fucktards,

      I would not expect any more or less from the likes of you.

  15. The timing on this is almost perfect. by slappynipsy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's nearly the 10 year anniversary of John Gabriel's groundbreaking theory. https://www.penny-arcade.com/c...

  16. Re: Thermodynamics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well.... that be different! Diversity Is Our Greatest Strength!

  17. Public masturbation of 25149 by shanen · · Score: 1

    Z^-1

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    1. Re:Public masturbation of 25149 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love how this is you're response everytime someone shows you dor the bleeding heart fool you are. Shows your true colors. No discorse ever with shannen, just shunning because that makes all the worlds problems go away. Would you like another shovel of sand on your head?

  18. It really comes to that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " The comments included derogatory remarks about women on camera, anti-Semitic slurs, far-right memes with references to "white genocide," and pro-Trump slogans."

    Wait. pro-Trump slogans the same as anti-Semitic slurs?
    Quality editing at its finest!

    1. Re:It really comes to that? by Bobrick · · Score: 1

      Yes, it's at the same level. Bottom of the swamp.

  19. Re:Thermodynamics by Obfuscant · · Score: 0

    How about the role Islam plays in spreading hate speech and extremism?

    How about the role that the Internet plays? How about the role that the English language plays? How about the role that keyboards play? How about the role that computers play? How about the massive role that oxygen plays?

    Lots of things are used by lots of people to do lots of things that lots of people don't agree with. Social media are media; the message comes from the people who use it.

    Microsoft is guilty! Linux is guilty! SGI is guilty! (I'm using an SGI-branded keyboard.) Intel and AMD are guilty! Ban them all.

  20. hate full left by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yes yes the hate full 'pro Trump'. Deep State detected...

  21. Sadly any place by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1

    any place at all where speech is truly free is going to be flooded with hatred trying to drown out everything else.

    It's unfortunate, and I don't have a solution, but it is an incontrovertible fact of life.

    1. Re:Sadly any place by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      /satire: The "solution" is just to ban all speech. Then no one can say anything that gets your panties in a knot since all speech is banned. "Problem solved!" /s

      Seriously though:

      Either you have 100% free speech (and allow "bad words") or you have censorship (and eventually block everything.) There is no middle ground by definition.

      People who are "hurt" by words need to grow the fuck up and stop trying to micro-manage everybody else from expressing an opinion.

    2. Re:Sadly any place by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1

      People who are "hurt" by words need to grow the fuck up and stop trying to micro-manage everybody else from expressing an opinion.

      I tend toward agreement.

      Then I think about people like Joseph Goebbels and start to waver........

    3. Re:Sadly any place by LordAba · · Score: 3, Insightful

      any place at all where speech is truly free is going to be flooded with hatred trying to drown out everything else.

      It's unfortunate, and I don't have a solution, but it is an incontrovertible fact of life.

      I totally disagree. Sunlight is a great disinfectant, and more speech is always better. The issue comes in echo chambers that are cut off from one another either voluntarily or by force. These allow extreme ideas and sentiment to exist. Some of the best research on getting rid of extremism states that two people talking will do more than nearly any amount of censorship.

      It's a lot harder to use the n-word when a friend will smack you in the back of the head. It's a lot harder to breed resentment when people close to you say "not cool" when you post about white genocide. Virtue signalling usually gets you odd looks when you do it on the bus. But get into a community of like minded people who enforce such behavior and that all goes out the window.

      Being social and interacting with others is a muscle like any other (even the "brain muscle")... without training and exercise one can easily become an NPC.

    4. Re:Sadly any place by HiThere · · Score: 1

      The problem is noise level. And it's a problem intentionally caused by as least some of the posters. Their goal is to shout so loudly that no one else can be heard. They are often successful. One of the benefits of moderation systems is that they mitigate the problem, but they cannot solve it.

      If there is a solution, it's not obvious. Simple "solutions" tend to enclose everyone in an "echo chamber" where their pre-existing opinions and biases are reinforced without regard to their fit with reality.

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    5. Re:Sadly any place by Lord_Jeremy · · Score: 1

      Social science is pretty clear that hatred and fear are the strongest motivators of human behavior in groups. I probably could've contributed something pleasant and productive to that particular YouTube conversation but I didn't know it was going on. Even if I did, there's little chance I would've cared enough to participate and share my civil, if not insightful thoughts. Meanwhile, if I was the type of person that has intense hate, anger, fear, etc. in my heart regarding the subject matter, I may very well have been in those comment sections posting "@#$% you nazi" and "I'm gonna @#$% you in your facist %&£!!!" etc...

      The most motivated people in that comment section were not there to "be social" as you describe. They were there to foster conflict, because more conflict results in more hate which is going to boost their hate-filled agenda even more.

    6. Re:Sadly any place by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Why would the architect of micro-managing opinions put you off preventing people from micro-managing opinions?

      Surely the best counter-Goebbels is the ability to draw attention to his manipulation of the public debate?

      This is precisely why conflicting views are so important. Extremism arises from echo chambers and too many people these days refuse to listen to any dissent. That's not healthy for them or for society.

    7. Re:Sadly any place by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      The problem is signal to noise ratio. Consider email spam: the cost of sending spam to a million people is approximately zero. The cost of sending a thoughtful email to one person is, at the very minimum, a few minutes of real-human time. If you lower the cost of speaking sufficiently then the signal to noise ratio tends towards zero unless you actively filter.

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    8. Re:Sadly any place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is signal to noise ratio.

      That can be addressed by filters, not censors.

      Filter and censor are not the same thing.

      Filters reorganize information so it's easier to digest. Yes, sometimes that means hiding parts of it, but hiding doesn't necessarily mean you reject or delete certain information out of principle

      E.g slashdot lets you browse at -1 if you choose; some spam filters put things in your junk mail folder first so you can review them if you wish. That's filtering.

      Censorship would be more like having a blacklist of emails/IP addresses. Or if it's somehow practical, hunt down the spammers in person.

      (Now, in the tech world there are times when blocking IPs is appropriate, but that's where the analogy starts breaking down)

      Consider email spam

      As above, not all spam filters are censorship. And spam actually demonstrates that censorship don't really work

      If you try to censor spam by i.e blacklisting addresses and IPs, well the spammers can just use another, or spoof, or hack other people's machines to become spambot/botnet.

      Most spam filters just stick to filtering, not censoring.

      Censorship/blacklisting IPs is a solution left for more serious issues, not simply noise-to-signal (like, if an IP is obviously trying to hack you, hacking is a deliberate malicious action, not just mere noise in speech)

  22. Is anonymity the source of all Internet rudeness? by shanen · · Score: 1

    Why is your comment nearly invisible? Yes, your Subject: line isn't greatly illuminating, but I don't see the basis for the current score of 1. Some kind of troll moderation effect?

    The comic you linked to is rather insightful. My favored solution approach would involve MEPR (Multidimensional Earned Public Reputation) so that people who have a track record of not acting like that would acquire additional visibility, while the trolls would be helped in rendering themselves less and less visible. Anonymity has limited justification. Near as I can tell, almost all secrecy can only be justified based on prior and ongoing secrecy, and circular justifications are weak.

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  23. Not ironic at all... by MadCat221 · · Score: 1

    What YouTube staff did here was stop this instance of their social media platform being used to foment white nationalism (Why are we using that term anyway? I thought those types hated political correctness?). That it still happened in the first place is a case in the point that the spread of such antisocial ideology is endemic to social media. No irony, just evidence of the issue that the hearing is about.

  24. The Japanese have an ethnostate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How come nobody is calling out the Japanese for their overt racism?

    1. Re:The Japanese have an ethnostate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How come nobody is calling out the Japanese for their overt racism?

      Or China.

      Or India.

      Or Vietnam.

      Or Pakistan.

      Or nearly every African nation.

      Virtually every nation outside the west is racist and we all know why they get a free pass while their citizens demand immigration rights into the west.

  25. shocking and a revelation: the US underbelly lives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You just hope the comments are more troll/bombastic in nature and not what people truly believe (OK, maybe I am still a bit naive).

    I used to believe this, but that belief has been thoroughly debunked by the US Executive branch, and its supporters, over the last two or three years.

    Not least of which today, when a white nationalist should, according to the Orange one, be given a free pass because of his religious ethnicity, and anyone criticizing his racism, bigotry, and extreme immigration policies shall be tarred with the "anti-semetic" brush for having the audacity of calling said bigot out.

  26. Humans and Great Apes differ by 2% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Upwards of 4% of European DNA is Neanderthal DNA; black Africans have zero Neanderthal DNA.

    The point is not that one group is "better" than another, but this idea that all humans are clones of each other, and that race is a social construct, makes no sense; it makes no sense in the raw numbers, and it makes no sense in everyday life.

    People know it's bullshit.

    Now, look into average IQ measurements. Come on; you can do it. Stare into that deep abyss, and know reality for what it is.

    1. Re: Humans and Great Apes differ by 2% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point is not that one group is "better" than another

      A quick check of the differences between European civilization and African "civilization" might cure you if that delusion. Better yet. Take a look at what happened to Zimbabwe and South Africa when the Europeans lost control to the natives. There must be something to that Neanderthal DNA.

    2. Re:Humans and Great Apes differ by 2% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know no one in my family will ever make the NBA or win a short distance race. Our genetics are just not poised there. Yet no one talks about diversity quotas for that sport or what not, even though they earn well past top 1% pay.

      No one questions genetics there. But PC-polluted people become big time evolution-deniers when it becomes to above the neck differences. Then they quickly fall back onto Thomas Paine blank-slate bullshit as if tabula rasa were true (it's not and less and less so over time) and not take "equality" in a legal sense before the court it should be, but some untenable biological fact even though evolution never shoots for equality in any area.

      They say religion is dead. It's not. Our bullshit beliefs just have shifted to a new area of untouchable taboos, and heresy against them is just as revolting to today's PC priests just as the punishment is swift.

    3. Re:Humans and Great Apes differ by 2% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Upwards of 4% of European DNA is Neanderthal DNA; black Africans have zero Neanderthal DNA.

      The point is not that one group is "better" than another, but this idea that all humans are clones of each other, and that race is a social construct, makes no sense; it makes no sense in the raw numbers, and it makes no sense in everyday life.

      People know it's bullshit.

      Now, look into average IQ measurements. Come on; you can do it. Stare into that deep abyss, and know reality for what it is.

      Once you go Neanderthal, you don't go back.
      And, by the way, Neanderthals are clearly superior in every way.

    4. Re:Humans and Great Apes differ by 2% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you neglected to cite your source regarding avg IQ measurements.

    5. Re:Humans and Great Apes differ by 2% by Mab_Mass · · Score: 1

      that race is a social construct, makes no sense; it makes no sense in the raw numbers, and it makes no sense in everyday life

      Well, actually, if you look at the average genetic diversity across everyone in Africa (ie, "black" people), you'll see a wider range of diversity than comparing "white" people to a single population group inside of Africa. (It is a well-established pattern that species show most genetic variation in the areas where they first evolved - see the 3500+ potato varieties in Peru.) Also, how does it make any sense that people from New Guinea are considered to be "black" even though their ancestry diverged from African "black" people longer than they diverged from white people?

      Yes, there is a lot of genetic variation associated with ancestral patterns of migration and dispersal around the globe. The concept of "race," however, is (mostly) keyed off the single trait of skin color, which correlates most strongly to average solar intensity.

      Race, as we generally understand it, is not a well-defined biological term.

    6. Re:Humans and Great Apes differ by 2% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Race is a social construct. You likely don't realize it, but you disproved your own argument in the first sentence. The logical conclusion to have a ~4% difference in DNA is that there is no such thing as biological race, as science has proven 100% of the time it's been studied.

  27. Isn't it ironic? Don't you think? by drew_kime · · Score: 3, Funny

    YouTube's disabling of comments is ironic

    If by "ironic" you mean "totally fucking predictable" then yeah, I suppose it was.

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    1. Re:Isn't it ironic? Don't you think? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not both?

      Those that are prejudiced seldom realize they're prejudiced and do their "activist work" with a straight face, like the time when Saudi Arabia launches girls' council - without any girls.

    2. Re:Isn't it ironic? Don't you think? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's like raaAAiiiIInnn...

  28. "pro trump slogans" ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    These are considered 'hate' these days? I suppose having HQs of major technology companies close to each others just reinforces hysteria already present in the society by blowing one view of imminent right wing overtake while punishing every doubtful voice as racists, homophobic or what else.

  29. Re:How do you know they're not actors? by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

    No, Nazism was not a variant of Italian Fascism. Nazism grew out of a certain brand of socialism that came to the fore in Germany in the 1920s, in particular with the rise of the SA. Mussolini himself at first determined to stay neutral in WWII, but thought that by backing Hitler, Italy would keep and enlarge its embryonic African empire (it was deeply stung by the League of Nations determining the invasion and annexation of Ethiopia was illegal). They may have grown out of similar sentiments in both countries (I'd chunk Hungarian nationalism and Spanish Falange in the same boat), but the SA, the progenitor of the Nazis, was in many ways a very different movement ideologically from Mussolini's.

    Nazism itself was always a moving target. Hitler was primarily interested in achieving power. He allied with Rohm and his SA thugs because it gave him a private army to go after the softer elements of the Weimar republic. But as soon as the SA ceased to be useful to Hitler, it was absorbed into the SS and other units, and Rohm, who, bizarrely enough, still seemed to love Hitler right up until the end, was shot. After that, Nazism became basically a full-on personality cult. It was whatever Hitler said it was.

    Ironically enough, Churchill actually plead with Mussolini to either join the Allies (as Italy had done in WWI), or at least to stay out of the war. Churchill actually took the time to praise some of Mussolini's accomplishments. While he didn't approve of the methods or the form of government, the Italian Fascists were a different creature from the SA or the Nazi Party.

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  30. Yeah no fan of that by Crashmarik · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But I don't see anyone banning Che Guevara shirts.

    1. Re:Yeah no fan of that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      But I don't see anyone banning Che Guevara shirts.

      You are either joking or seriously comparing Che Guevara shirts to death threats which, ironically, is also a joke because the comparison is so stupid. If you want to stick it to the Che Guevara shirt wearing latte slurping hipsters you can always invest in one of these: https://fineartamerica.com/fea... I bet you don't have the guts to wear it in public.

    2. Re: Yeah no fan of that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Communists murdered 10x as many people in the past century as the Nazis.

      But you know that already. You're just complicit.

    3. Re: Yeah no fan of that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Cuba? Surely you jest

      FYI, most of the deaths in the Cuban Revolution were the Batista death squad members who had killed thousands of Cubans in the prior decade.

    4. Re:Yeah no fan of that by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Probably because comparing Che Guevara to Hitler is ridiculous, and because we don't have a problem with Marxist revolutionary terrorism right now.

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    5. Re:Yeah no fan of that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that we HAD a problem with marxist revolutionary terrorisms that killed 100 x the amount of people that Hitler killed?

      We don't have a Nazi terrorism problem now either.

      Way to cherry pick your politics.

    6. Re: Yeah no fan of that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, not in Cuba. That's obvious.

      "Communists", meaning all communists collectively. So all over the world tallied up.

      The amount of death and destruction wrought on the world by socialists and communists in the 20th century was staggering. It makes fascists look like second rate noobs.

    7. Re:Yeah no fan of that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seen antifa's antics about the place as of late? They ARE on watch lists you know...

    8. Re: Yeah no fan of that by c6gunner · · Score: 0

      You're probably the most ridiculous person on Slashdot, and we currently have far more of a problem with communism than with Nazism.

    9. Re:Yeah no fan of that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it's not like communism killed hundreds of millions of people the last century... oh wait.

      There are no more fascist countries, there are multiple commie countries still around, comrade.

    10. Re:Yeah no fan of that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, that's a poor comparison.

      But comparing socialism/communism to fascism is a great comparison.

      In the 20th century socialism/communism killed more innocent people than fascism by more than an order of magnitude.

      Note: There isn't much to defend here. In practice socialism/communism is a fucking awful ideology, just like fascism is fucking awful.

    11. Re:Yeah no fan of that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Natural for a Trotsky-slut to spew pro-kommi trash. The comparison of any Trotsky-slut to Hitler is apt spot-on --- with Antifa/ISIS/SPLC/ACLU tit-to-asswhole.

    12. Re:Yeah no fan of that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      White nationalists espousing Nazi policies have been shooting up mosques and synagogues a lot lately, did you not notice? How many communist acts of terrorism have you seen in the last few years?

    13. Re:Yeah no fan of that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do they make Simon Bolivar shirts?

    14. Re:Yeah no fan of that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Conflating socialism and communism as if they were the same thing is what makes this a terrible comparison. It's even worse if you further conflate it with social democracy.

    15. Re: Yeah no fan of that by jwhyche · · Score: 4, Informative

      You know why the Nazi's of WWII are regarded more evil than Stalin or Mao? The Nazi's where better record keepers. It's easy to gloss over 20 to 80 million that Stalin had murdered, and the 80 to 200 million that Chairman Mao red revolution slaughtered, when it's all anonymous numbers on a ledger.

      But the Nazi's, now they new how to keep records over who they butchered. They had names, addresses, and a count of every item the took from jews before they gassed them.

      Yes, the nazi's where just better record keepers, but communist stand way taller on a mountain of anonymous dead.

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    16. Re:Yeah no fan of that by Luckyo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Marxist terrorism has the second highest victim count after islamic terrorism right now. It's obviously not as big of a terror threat as islam by a long shot, because islam is by far the most powerful driver of terrorism hence accounting for well over 90% of all terror world wide. But of all of the non-islamic terror, lion's share belongs to various Marxist organisations.

    17. Re: Yeah no fan of that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember: when there's a famine in a Communist county, it's intentional public policy because the commies want to MURDER EVERYONE!!!1! But when there's a famine in a capitalist country, thank God for our beneficent capitalists, 'cuz without their brilliant leadership the famine would have been way worse.

    18. Re: Yeah no fan of that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Incoherent.

      When there are famines in socialist countries, it's demonstrably because of socialistic policy.

      In Venezuela there is rainfall and farms, and trillions of dollars of natural resources which could feed the entire country millions of times over.

      Instead, they are starving and killing their own pets for food between blackouts and standing in 8 hour government bread lines.

      And yes, it is true socialism, and yes, you are a sniveling fucking imbecile.

    19. Re: Yeah no fan of that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean besides the literal millions of people exterminated by North Korea, who sponsors terrorism around the world, and launches missiles over Japan? Or did you want one of the other hundreds of examples?

      Fuck off, you lying shitbag.

    20. Re:Yeah no fan of that by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Troll

      It depends how you slice it. In the West white guys are the biggest source of terrorism at the moment, always have been. This is especially true in the US. If you designate Islamic State as terrorists and consider everything they do as terrorism, you can make them the worst.

      Who are these Marxists committing all these terrorist acts? Are we talking historically, before the internet existed?

      Citations:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      https://fullfact.org/crime/eth...
      https://ourworldindata.org/ter...

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    21. Re:Yeah no fan of that by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Looks like a few in India:
      https://storymaps.esri.com/sto...

      Looks like mosques are synagogues are being attacked by quite a lot of people, but that's ok, you keep blaming white nationalists.

    22. Re:Yeah no fan of that by Cederic · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Oh, you fucking make me laugh with https://fullfact.org/crime/eth...

      So more white people are arrested than any other single racial group. A whole 38% of arrests. It's almost as though 86% of the population are classed as 'white'.

      Of course, since you're the racist focussing on 'white' people, we can look at this another way: Even though 86% of people in the UK are 'white', 62% of terror arrests are for other demographics. Seems to me the white majority are being extremely tolerant of representatives of the 14% getting arrested for 62% of the terror.

      It depends how you slice it.

      I try to slice it in a way that doesn't demonise primarily innocent demographics. I try to slice it in a way that doesn't push a racist narrative. I try to slice it differently to you for both of those reasons.

      Who are these Marxists committing all these terrorist acts?

      Perhaps you should ask the US Department of Homeland Security and Federal Bureau of Investigation, as they're the people that designated Antifa a terror organisation.

    23. Re:Yeah no fan of that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably because comparing Che Guevara to Hitler is ridiculous, and because we don't have a problem with Marxist revolutionary terrorism right now.

      You're right, the comparison is ridiculous - Hitler merely created policies that resulted in mass murder. Guevara personally committed mass murder.

      Ummm, we don't have a problem with actual Nazi terrorism either.

      There's no one so blind as someone who deliberately refuses to see.

    24. Re:Yeah no fan of that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      White nationalists espousing Nazi policies have been shooting up mosques and synagogues a lot lately, did you not notice? How many communist acts of terrorism have you seen in the last few years?

      A LOT?!?!

      The LEFTISTS actually vandalizing synagogues with Nazi swastikas aren't white nationalists - they're TDS-deranged, anti-Semitic "intersectional progressives".

      You're FULL OF SHIT .

      Because the actual Nazis are the ones who risibly call for everyone "punch Nazis".

      Yeah, they should be punching themselves in the face with a 2x4 full of nails.

    25. Re: Yeah no fan of that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mother Nature killed almost 300,000 people in one clip several years ago with a Tsunami.

    26. Re:Yeah no fan of that by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      "Antifa", or rather some people in one or two of the anarchist groups that associates with that term, has thus far (1) broken a few windows in the middle of a white nationalist-instigated street fight, and (2) punched one Neo Nazi leader (Richard Spencer) in the face on camera.

      White supremacists?

      In 2018, Orlando Yoga studio, the Tree of Life synagogue, Cesar Altieri Sayoc, Jr's attempts to bomb 13 Democratic politicians and CNN, Gregory Bush's murder at a Kroger grocery store of two black men following a failed attempt to shoot up a church, the murder of MeShon Cooper, the terrorist threats against the Jamaat ul Muttaqeen mosque in Pembroke Pines, Florida, the Waffle House restaurant killings, and the murder of Blaze Bernstein. You can probably pin the Parkland shootings on them as well given Cruz adopted a serious amount of white supremacist symbolism, including carving swastikas on his gun magazines, immediately before the shooting.

      That's just 2018. Not "Since Trump was elected" like my full list of incidents by Antifa, but just last year. That doesn't include things like, for example, this year's attempt by a White supremacist coast guard officer to murder Democratic politicians and mainstream journalists (among others.)

      Why are "antifa" people on watchlists? Probably because of the inherent right-wing bias of the FBI and other Federal law enforcement agencies. Same reason investigations into white supremacist terror groups has been systematically undermined and in many cases dropped altogether, despite being the only real terror threat to ordinary Americans right now.

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    27. Re: Yeah no fan of that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Socialism is to Communism what bludgeoning someone to death is to stabbing. The only difference is the sharpness of the tool.

    28. Re: Yeah no fan of that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check out the statistic in these links, "White and Hispanic".

      They purposefully combine the two. We don't even actually know what the percentage of white-only homicide is because it is merged with another group for the explicit purpose of obfuscation, specifically so that cunts like AmiHomo can make the dishonest argument he made.

      Some estimates are as low as 16% of murders in the US are committed by "white non-hispanic", meaning that despite being the vast majority of the country, they are the least dangerous group per capita next to Asians.

      They do, however, split out black people. Black men commit 53% of total murders, despite being 6.5% of the population. You are 217 times more likely to be killed by a black man than a white man.

      But you'll never hear AmiFaggo address that particular statistic.

    29. Re: Yeah no fan of that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and that methodical precision is what makes them so chilling. it was very clearly thought out and implemented. the records are a by product.

    30. Re:Yeah no fan of that by ArylAkamov · · Score: 0

      Are you farming for replies, or are you really this disengenuious?
      Look up per capita sometime.

    31. Re: Yeah no fan of that by jwhyche · · Score: 3

      Except there is literally not a single written record of the Holocaust. I'm completely serious. Go ahead, look for one.

      Yes there are, you fucking dumbass.

      https://www.denverpost.com/201...

      It took me exactly 30 seconds to find that article. An I know these fucking records exist. The damn nazi's that kept them told the alias what they are. So go fuck yourself.

      People like to put holocaust deniers on the same level as the flat earthers. Laugh at them for their stupidity and move on. They shouldn't. The flat earthers are just harmless in their brand of stupidity. These holocaust deniers would have us believe that the systematic round up, record, and murder of 12 million human beings never happened.

      Yes, I'm feeding the troll.

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    32. Re: Yeah no fan of that by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You actually believe that, don't you? Despite having Trump in the White House, both major parties to the right of centre, Nazis openly marching on your streets and committing acts of terror... You think communists are the problem.

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    33. Re:Yeah no fan of that by Luckyo · · Score: 0

      While it's interesting that you choose to go full racist on this one, I'm confused what is the relevance of your racist venting to my statement.

      I clearly outline what ideologies are behind terrorism today. Clear cut number one is islam. Clear cut number two is marxism. Both are very visible outliers in modern terrorism, with everyone else far behind in essentially every relevant metric. And because of those two terrorism in modern world is effectively almost never an issue of race. It's an issue of ideology.

      And while racists such as yourself simply cannot understand the concept of "ideology is separated from race" because to you, race is the ideology, most of the world and its people does not share your particular beliefs. Which is why IS had "brothers" from the palest of Asians to the darkest Polynesians, and from palest Caucasians to darkest Africans. Same is true for Marxist terror, which is internationalist in its core tenets. Both ideologies are pointedly agnostic on the question of race as they only require ideological conformity. So long as you're willing to kill unbelievers in the name of the Allah, you're welcome in Islamic terror ranks. So long as you're willing to kill the anti-revolutionaries in the name of the Proletariat, you're welcome in Marxist terrorist ranks.

      It's likely one of the key reasons why they are as popular among those conducting terror as they are. This agnosticism increases the pool of potential recruits by a huge margin.

    34. Re:Yeah no fan of that by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      "Race is the ideology"? What does that even mean?

      Funny how the people who go around complaining about people accusing everyone of racism are also the ones who go around accusing everyone of being racist.

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    35. Re: Yeah no fan of that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both major parties are NOT right of center. The dems are currently drifting farther and farther left. AOC is further left and more authoritarian than Stalin on the political compass for christs sake.

    36. Re: Yeah no fan of that by max99ted · · Score: 1

      Normally I enjoy your posts but come on man... a problem with communism??? I infer you are Canadian due to your username... where do you see this commie threat?

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    37. Re: Yeah no fan of that by Kyr+Arvin · · Score: 1

      AOC has little actual influence. However, she does have attention and press, for the exact same reasons that Donald Trump got attention and press four years ago: despite a startling lack of insight or knowledge of any subject she talks about, she's loud and angry and on the attack. She says startling things that get people talking ("Can you believe she said THAT?") that are fairly compelling to her ignorant base.

      Unfortunately for her, she didn't start with a pile of cash, she doesn't have Donald's media manipulation skills, and she doesn't have a good three decades of con-artist work to bolster her with a false image of competency.

    38. Re: Yeah no fan of that by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Well, have a look at Venezuela. Then find me a comparable case of Nazis taking over a country.

      And no, dumb cunts like Ami banging on about Trump doesn't count, for reasons which should be obvious to anyone who isn't a retard.

  31. They are leftists, poisoning the well. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can keep downmodding; I'll just keep reposting.

    If I were a leftist (you know, somebody who thinks he has a moral obligation to overthrow the existing system at any cost and by any means), then I would pretend to be a rabid, right-wing, racist, white nationalist. That's the easiest way to get people on board with general censorship, and it's the easiest way to label as a "Nazi"* anybody with even a hint of support for the "patriarchy".

    * By the way, "Nazi" means "National Socialist", and is a racist variation of Italian fascism, which was itself an nationalist variation of Marxism, which is of course a left-wing, topple-the-existing-system ideology.

  32. Now that's funny by Crashmarik · · Score: 1, Insightful

    That anyone would think they are making a point by starting off with fake laughter and the word "seriously"

    If you can't deal with talking about issues own it and and own the rest of your mental health problems.

    1. Re: Now that's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you missed the point. Besides if people think white genocide is an issue then it is a two sided issue. Full stop.

      Your agreement or disagreement means nothing. Frankly, your censorship and others like you have convinced me your side has no points to make against it, white genocide is real, and you want to silence disclosure of these facts.

      A general rule of thumb: The side that refuses to debate is wrong in 99% of cases.

    2. Re: Now that's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no such thing as white nationalism. White is not a nation.

    3. Re: Now that's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why. Whatâ(TM)s vile about our founders and our nation? George Washington was a white nationalist.

    4. Re:Now that's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Statement:

      I would guess it's more a case of far too many accurate comments and questions.

      Response:

      If you're trying to make a dual-sided issue out of vile white nationalism you're arguably the one with the problems.

      Don't you see the problem? Anything heretical is immediately branded white nationalism even if it has nothing to do with race or national policy.

      Then, conveniently for some, if you so much as say "$person said the sky is blue, a true statement" when $person has been ostracized as a heretic, "the sky is blue" must be treated as being false and to say anything else is to, in your own words, "make a dual-sided issue out of vile white nationalism."

      This method is nothing less than cultism.

    5. Re: Now that's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      White Nationalism is the radical notion that we whites have human rights.
      Specifically:

      we have the right to ethnicity
      we have the right to nationality
      we have the right to our culture
      we have the right to national self-determination
      we have the right to self-government

    6. Re: Now that's funny by LostMyAccount · · Score: 1

      It's not a nation *state*, but arguably (and extremely loosely), you could argue that a "nation" is a pretty ambiguous concept that describes a grouping of people sharing some commonality, and there's no logical reason why race couldn't be a valid criteria for membership whatever nation you're defining.

      So in theory, you could be a white nationalist and it would be a logical statement. Just like you could be a black nationalist, a Catholic nationalist, etc.

    7. Re: Now that's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      White is not one ethnicity.
      White is not one nationality, and even if it were, it wouldn't be anywhere in the New World.
      White is not one culture.

      Jewish people, Irish people, gay people and so on seem to be either included or excluded in the white nationalist agenda depending on the decade and context. History shows that regimes based on race tend to become more narrow over time right up to the point where they start to fall apart or are overthrown.

    8. Re: Now that's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      George Washington was a slaveowner, a vile racist, and a terrible commander who lost almost every battle he fought.

      None of this is a secret.

    9. Re:Now that's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you see the problem? Anything heretical is immediately branded white nationalism even if it has nothing to do with race or national policy.

      Which specific YouTube comments are you referring to here?

    10. Re: Now that's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's it. The harder Corporate Progressive Nazis try to censor obscure extremist viewpoints, the more credibility they lend to the targets of their oppression.

      Think about it: who had even *heard* of the idea of "white nationalism" before the Corporate Progressive Nazis started to scream loudly for censorship of said idea?

    11. Re: Now that's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Corporate Progressive nazis sure do hate George Washington and the American founding fathers.

    12. Re: Now that's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THE SKY IS PLAID and everyone knows it, you racist sexist misogynist transphobic asshole white nationalist incel shitlord!!!!!1!!!!11!!!!

    13. Re: Now that's funny by e0b521bb9d0246d0b619 · · Score: 1

      Because white nationalists aren't aiming to make a whites-only nation. I seem to remember a guy who wanted to do that around 1940, just can't remember his name.

      You apologists would be adorable for your inability to exhibit basic logic, if the fact that you're allowed to vote wasn't so terrifying.

    14. Re: Now that's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Muslims have been kidnapping white women for centuries. It may be inconvenient for lefties to hear but they still do it today. Slave markets still sell people. Yet they will shut down any mention of this.

    15. Re:Now that's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you see the problem? Anything heretical is immediately branded white nationalism even if it has nothing to do with race or national policy.

      Which specific YouTube comments are you referring to here?

      Have you seen the clips from the hearing where the D's try to insinuate that Candace Owens (a black woman) is a white nationalist and Hitler supporter?

    16. Re:Now that's funny by Kyr+Arvin · · Score: 1

      Have you seen the clips from the hearing where the D's try to insinuate that Candace Owens (a black woman) is a white nationalist and Hitler supporter?

      What, just because she said that Hitler finally went too far when he attacked countries outside of Germany? Sure, nothing wrong with that.

  33. I mean, you're just flat wrong. It's so weird. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People can do their own research. Here's Wikipedia to get you started:

    Fascism was a major influence on Nazism. The seizure of power by Italian Fascist leader Benito Mussolini in the March on Rome in 1922 drew admiration by Hitler, who less than a month later had begun to model himself and the Nazi Party upon Mussolini and the Fascists.[122] Hitler presented the Nazis as a form of German fascism.[123][124] In November 1923, the Nazis attempted a "March on Berlin" modelled after the March on Rome, which resulted in the failed Beer Hall Putsch in Munich.[125]

    Hitler spoke of Nazism being indebted to the success of Fascism's rise to power in Italy.[126] In a private conversation in 1941, Hitler said that "the brown shirt would probably not have existed without the black shirt", the "brown shirt" referring to the Nazi militia and the "black shirt" referring to the Fascist militia.[126] He also said in regards to the 1920s: "If Mussolini had been outdistanced by Marxism, I don't know whether we could have succeeded in holding out. At that period National Socialism was a very fragile growth".[126]

    Now, as is well known, and is as noted there, Hitler viewed "Marxists" as the enemy of Fascists, but of course he did! Fascists were nationalist, while Marxists were transnationalist; they were 2 sects of the same deranged religion, killing each other in the same that the various Christian sects of yore hacked through each other, or in the same way that Sunnis and Shiites murder each other today.

    1. Re:I mean, you're just flat wrong. It's so weird. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Owing a debt is not the same as derived from. The two movements largely came into existence at the same time; along with the Falangists (though the latter had much deeper roots in Spanish instability since the Peninsular War).

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  34. Re:Is anonymity the source of all Internet rudenes by umghhh · · Score: 1

    If even wikipedia with its quite strong means of control for bias has a problem with groups of well organized 'activists' then I do not think any scheme like MEPR would work. Maybe we can get something almost working and maybe that is MEPR but that will not, on its own, fix the problem.

  35. Who's responsible? by McFortner · · Score: 1

    I'm wondering if it was all true haters, all astroturfing, all trolls, or a combination of all? We do know that both sides aren't above faking the opposition's tactics in order to make themselves look good or build a false narrative that supports their views.

    Hell, the trolls or the astroturfers (or both) could have been the first ones to do it and that encouraged the haters to start up, kind of like priming a pump. The sad part is we will never know for sure. My money is that most was true but there was some astroturfing going on as well, but nowhere as big as the true f**ktards.

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  36. Re:Is anonymity the source of all Internet rudenes by shanen · · Score: 1

    I am unable to interpret that as a request for clarification, not does it suggest the slightest awareness of my earlier writings on the general topic. Therefore I can only congratulate you on your remarkable mind-reading or other psychic capabilities and beg you to explain what is wrong with the idea. Surely you can share a tiny bit of your infinite wisdom with us peasants?

    (Yes, I'm overreacting, but it might be triggered by your handle.)

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  37. Re:They are leftists, poisoning the well. by Narcocide · · Score: 1

    None of this proves you're smart or right. Your definition of imaginary "leftists" is absurd. Your spamming repetition just makes you look even stupider. All you're doing is annoying people and embarrassing yourself.

  38. Re:How do you know they're not actors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mussolini was a socialist. He was a leading member of the Italian Socialist Party (PSI).

  39. Interesting... by Big+Boss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I find it amusing and interesting that the "conservatives" want businesses to have rights and religion when they are discriminating against gays, but freak out when some business decides they don't want said "conservatives" as a customer.

    It's a bit like the "tolerance" groups that only have tolerance for the groups/religions/etc. THEY like.

    Left/Right, D/R, doesn't matter. They are all stupid. :)

    1. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find it amusing and interesting that the "conservatives" want businesses to have rights and religion when they are discriminating against gays, but freak out when some business decides they don't want said "conservatives" as a customer.

      It's a bit like the "tolerance" groups that only have tolerance for the groups/religions/etc. THEY like.

      Left/Right, D/R, doesn't matter. They are all stupid. :)

      I don't expect a fragrantly gay baker to want to bake a cake for the GOP annual ball or whatever party they hold. It's their right to refuse. It's quite a different animal when a business with a public seating area has a notice saying No Cops. If Chik Fil A had a policy of kicking out gay couples who wanted to choke on their chicken then I'd be anti-Chic Fil A too. One is a craft, the other is a public business.

    2. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow the world is so simple from your perspective

      it's almost like you dont put much thought into it

      tell us more about what these conservatives summarily collectively want and dislike and feel

    3. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I think they want the rules consistently applied.

      The cake controversy was about compelling a business owner to create an original product that they disagreed with. The business owner did not refuse to sell them a cake and did not turn away their business. They refused to bake a custom cake with a message that they disagreed with.

      So turning away conservative customers off a digital platform is kinda hypocritical, no?

    4. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it's almost like a paradox.

    5. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a huge difference in not getting a cake and being systematically removed from the big 4 internet providers.

      Whether you like it or not, the internet has turned into the gatekeeper for free speech. When you have Facebook, Google/Youtube, Twitter, and Reddit deciding what is and is not acceptable speech - you're going to have a problem.

      And its a hell of a lot bigger problem than someone not getting a cake.

  40. Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it just me, or does this seem somewhat contrived? Almost as if someone put the word out to prove the point.

  41. Smart Move YouTube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure the subtlety of this genius move by YouTube will slip by many here. Disabling the comments was not the genius move in this case. It was allowing them in the first place. YouTube knew what the comment section would turn into. By allowing and then disabling it accomplished a couple of things. First it added a form of "evidence" and validity to the congressional hearing showing all the mean white nationalists. Second it showed that they could handle the situation without government intervention. Third by disabling after the fact it made news out of what would have been a non issue had they disabled them from the start. Yes the congressional hearing would still be news but YouTube would miss out on the lime light. Lastly it made YouTube look like the white ...no POC knight in shining armor to their beloved advertisers. Well played.

  42. Do you have reading comprehension issues? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's right there:

    The seizure of power by Italian Fascist leader Benito Mussolini in the March on Rome in 1922 drew admiration by Hitler, who less than a month later had begun to model himself and the Nazi Party upon Mussolini and the Fascists.[122] Hitler presented the Nazis as a form of German fascism.[123][124] In November 1923, the Nazis attempted a "March on Berlin" modelled after the March on Rome, which resulted in the failed Beer Hall Putsch in Munich.[125]

    Here:

    Hitler, who less than a month later had begun to model himself and the Nazi Party upon Mussolini and the Fascists.

    And here:

    Hitler presented the Nazis as a form of German fascism.

    Also, read the Nazi platform, which Hitler helped craft. The rift in the early Nazi party was between 2 factions: Hitler wanted to make Germany a strong military power first, and then implement socialism once Germany was secure; the others wanted to implement socialism first, and then go about building a strong military power.

    Like, seriously. What's wrong with you?

  43. They are leftists, poisoning the well. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can keep downmodding; I'll just keep reposting.

    If I were a leftist (you know, somebody who thinks he has a moral obligation to overthrow the existing system at any cost and by any means), then I would pretend to be a rabid, right-wing, racist, white nationalist. That's the easiest way to get people on board with general censorship, and it's the easiest way to label as a "Nazi"* anybody with even a hint of support for the "patriarchy".

    * By the way, "Nazi" means "National Socialist", and is a racist variation of Italian fascism, which was itself a nationalist variation of Marxism, which is of course a left-wing, topple-the-existing-system ideology.

  44. Pussy Cat Pussy Cat by bistromath007 · · Score: 1

    Where have you been? To the city hall meeting but couldn't get in Pussy Cat Pussy Cat Why was that? It was all about cats and their habitats But they only admitted dogs and rats

    1. Re: Pussy Cat Pussy Cat by bistromath007 · · Score: 1

      I'm sick and goddamn tired of this website making me put in break tags by hand

    2. Re: Pussy Cat Pussy Cat by tepples · · Score: 1

      Then switch your comment post mode from "HTML Formatted" to "Plain Old Text", which runs the equivalent of PHP nl2br() on each post.

  45. Anyone else tired of censorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seeing hateful comments online does not bother me, even if the targets are me, my family, or my friends.

    Censorship bothers me though.

    Perhaps a better solution would be to filter comments client-side by default, and if you are OK with seeing shocking content, allow the user to disable the filter.

  46. White Nationalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    White Nationalism is the radical notion that we whites have human rights.
    Specifically:

    we have the right to ethnicity
    we have the right to nationality
    we have the right to our culture
    we have the right to national self-determination
    we have the right to self-government

    Visualize a Free White Nation!!!

  47. Telling comments... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Well, US interference in the Russian election got the Russians Boris Yeltsin instead of Vladimir Zhirinovsky which is going from catastrophic to merely terrible. Russian interference in the US election got the Americans a completely senile, corrupt businessman, money launderer, tax cheat, bank fraudster, slum lord, pussy grabber and serial liar (basically Trump is American Yeltsin) instead of a controversial but generally competent female politician.

    So your real problem with the so-called interference is who won? I see, it's telling that you don't believe it's bad or something, you just hate the results, and it only completely undermines your attempt to take a moral high ground here. But, honestly, I guess that does explain why you're not bothered by Mueller working with Joseph Mifsud (Maltese Professor, FBI/CIA asset), Alexander Downer (Australian Diplomat), Stephan Halper (U.K. Academic and FBI/CIA asset), or Charles Tawil (Israeli CIA asset) and Oleg Deripaksa, despite there seeming to be a criminal referral over some of that.

    > I'm not quite sure who got the shorter end of the stick here but since Zhirinovsky would not have hesitated to start WWIII but Trump merely might start WWIII I think the we all probably benefitted more from American interference in Russa's elections than vice versa.

    It's weird that you think that Russia is going to start WWIII with someone you think they cheated to install as leader, no? Just how dumb do you think we are to let you have things both ways? It was Hillary mumbling about war with Russia, not Trump, anyhow. You guys just tried to spin it around after it started hurting your poll numbers by claiming that he was going to nuke someone, but you'd have to be a complete moron to fall for that by now, given that instead he's helping create peace in NK. But I see how you folks don't give a crap about the people there who have been suffering for decades, so yeah... I'm not really surprised that you fall for that ridiculous propaganda. Then again, your username appears to be German, and that whole country has a way of falling for socialist propaganda over and over again....

  48. All because of Jews again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CEO OF YOUTUBE (JEW)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Wojcicki

    FOUNDERS OF GOOGLE (JEW, You already know them.) (Brin,Page)
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/why-google-is-more-jewish_b_1272245

    You all better start shouting everywhere for Jews to get the fuck out or you will just do it later after you're screwed by the Jews.

    You have to log in to even comment on YouTube. You are already censored by Jews by doing so.

    Recognize this: Jewish is not a race, Christianity is not a race, Buddhism is not a race, Islamic is not a race, etc. BUT HERE IS THE DEAD GIVEAWAY. Jews (and Trump) make laws against Jews because "antisemitism" is "racist". It is not a fucking race wake up people THEY LIED because the JEWS LIE. The whole thing only has capability of confusing the mid-range double digit IQ's anyways. They still try it. Dummies can yell on the web in all caps too and its just dummies. JIDF perfect example. Jewish internet defense force, look it up. They are doing all of this shit on purpose they literally have nothing else to live for. Are they striving for "salvation" no. Any reason except making believe their dumb asses are smart because they get away with lies when nobody decent would lie? no.

    Pay attention now or later but they want to take away your guns and control your speech. Think hard about it. Seen the sneaky red flag gun bill just passed without much news by Lindsey Graham? Kinda snuck it by eh? More gun checks oh yeah save the children yeah. But there is a problem with that shit isn't there.

    https://twitter.com/superzar2000/with_replies

    1. Re:All because of Jews again. by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Recognize this: Jewish is not a race

      Jewish is as much a race as any of the other human races.

      It's also a religion.

      Differentiate between the two. If you want to attack religions, be my guest, but don't go attacking people because they have a different genetic background to you. That's racist and makes you an ignorant cunt.

      The whole thing only has capability of confusing the mid-range double digit IQ's anyways. They still try it. Dummies can yell on the web in all caps too and its just dummies.

      Your position on the self-awareness scale appears to be a new record low.

  49. Language mangling is a feature, not a bug by shanen · · Score: 1

    Mangling the language is one of the most important tools of the professional liars. Basic ontology of lies:

    Level 0: Self-contradiction. Something is obviously wrong. Only amusing variation is when both halves are false.

    Level 1: Counterfactual. As the famous saying says, any fool can check the facts.

    Level 2: Partial truth. Two basic variations. One is to omit parts so as to deny actually lying, but the higher form involves actively creating a false perception of reality based on the gaps.

    Level 3: Reframing. This is where the best liars work, distorting reality until you have no idea what color the sky is. Mangling the language is one of their best tools, and "white nationalism" is merely a deliberately confusing repackaging of a brand that has become too toxic.

    Amusingly enough, Trump is a rather poor liar, usually bumbling about at the low levels and rarely getting as high as Level 2. However, Trump does have some excellent liars working for him. Right now I think his best (= worst) one is Kellyanne Conway. Many of the best (still = worst) liars are most effective at arm's-length, often using Trump as a facade or MacGuffin. That includes such brilliant liars as Roger Stone and Steve Bannon.

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    1. Re:Language mangling is a feature, not a bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly!

      However - "any fool can check the facts."
      Can he now? what if the 'facts' are provided by the professional liar in the form of 'analysis of public opinion has shown', 'data (we acquired it) shows that',
      "we are doing so great economically", "there are so many jobs available as never before", "study on our college! job is guaranteed!" ...

      How do you verify those 'facts' if you have no means of checking it yourself? (sometimes there is a way to check it of course, the 'hard' way and after everything already happened)

  50. See, all it takes is repeating the Congressmens' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    words in the comment section to get your smackdown. Don't even need to include the witnesses/

  51. This will backfire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because this could have been used to guage just how big the problem is.

    But of course, feelings come before anything practical.

  52. Who will get the next SJW efforts? by AHuxley · · Score: 0

    Can Spain call in for the same support when any Catalan separatist is found to be talking online?
    The Germany gov on politics and history?
    Can a faith request the same for blasphemy, idolatry, people talking about how to escape their faith?
    A faith that has no way for a person to escape that faith?
    A movie company demands bad reviews of their new movie not be presented in any way online? An actor wants a review of their movie removed?
    China over the freedoms of Taiwan? No talking about the real China, Taiwan?
    China on a cartoon bear, a book like 1984, the Tiananmen square protests, the history of the Communist party.
    New Zealand on media reporting?
    Canada on the use of French politics online and another October Crisis?
    A nation with illegal immigration?
    Everyone in power is going to have a topic that SJW have to stop people from talking about.

    Thats what makes the US freedom of speech and freedom after speech so great.
    The right to publish and the right to talk.
    The right of the press to report and the right of the people to read such reporting and talk about any topics they want.

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  53. Re:How do you know they're not actors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of the 5 pioneers who are the core components in the formation of Fascism, 1 was anarchist, 2 were socialist, 1 was arguably socialist.
    Many people who use the term don't even know the history behind how it came to be and can't even name the pioneers and creators, they just throw their half-baked superifical brainlet impressions of the term, and in 90% they are Americans resulting from the degraded education system over there.

  54. So we're just lying now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this the thing now? We're just gonna make up shit to make history like we like it eh? Unless there's some sly reference you're alluding to, you just straight pulled some bullshit outta your ass. Obama doesn't have fuckall to do with what trump told kirstjen nielson to be doing. He also didn't have her stuffing her stupid face full of mexican food while caging mexicans. You're 100% unequivocaly lying.

    1. Re:So we're just lying now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both of you - evidence or you're both full of shit.

  55. Re:Thermodynamics by pauljlucas · · Score: 2

    How about it? Nobody is saying that social media platforms play the sole role in spreading hate speech. But right now, we're talking only about their role.

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  56. Oy vey! by Gunslinger774 · · Score: 1

    The goyim know. Shut in down!

  57. Niggers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't live with em

  58. Dem Angry White Folks is Crazy by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There is an awful lot of anger out there.

    Those of Caucasian decent have been told for years that they are racists simply because of their skin color.
    They can't be discriminated against because they aren't the right color.
    They have something called " White Privilege " that, apparently, is some sort of " I win " button available on tap.
    They get turned down for jobs and education slots because the Company or University has to have enough minorities lest they be called racists too.
    Standardized tests are all racist because, apparently, minorities have issues with them. So they just get rewritten to make the numbers look better.
    Slavery is still their fault apparently, irregardless of the fact the last " slaves " in America were freed ~150 years ago.
    ( The reparations movement, and all the politicians using it to further their political career, can just f*ck off. )
    Starting a #WhiteLivesMatter movement would instantly be classified as some White Nationalist Klan Nazi Terrorist Group and the media would just lose it.

    Given the above:

    Is there anyone out there who doesn't think a very small percentage of impacted folks might be just a tad bit angry about it all ?
    Is there anyone out there who doesn't think an even smaller percentage of that small percentage might even be REALLY angry about it ?

    And of that laughably tiny percentage, a few folks might actually do something rather radical ?

    This is shocking why ?

    Maybe they're just tired of being the " Bad Guy " for nothing more than their skin color.

    1. Re:Dem Angry White Folks is Crazy by Lord_Jeremy · · Score: 2
      No serious* person in the Progressive movement has said anything remotely like what you enumerated. It sounds like you're erecting straw-men, but I'll bite and address things individually.

      Those of Caucasian decent have been told for years that they are racists simply because of their skin color.

      No one (serious*) is saying that. There is a strong believe for progressives that the mainstream American society goes out of its way to avoid recognizing or admitting that the history of slavery, Jim Crow, and segregation in this country has done serious damage to the social mobility and opportunity available to people of color. As shorthand, progressives will often say something along the lines of "the system is racist" and make the assertion that people who don't see or aren't willing to acknowledge this are practicing racism themselves.

      They can't be discriminated against because they aren't the right color.

      See above. Progressives are pretty clear that the issue is systemic racism, not individual racism. In the vast majority of places in society where race might be a factor, the systemic racism is biased against people of color. This is supported by statistics across the board. I hope you can understand that because of the huge disparity that exists today, progressives don't generally feel like there's much room to discuss racism against white people. We're generally in agreement that we should focus our energy on fixing the racism against people of color first, since the scale of problem and resulting social harm is so much worse.

      They have something called " White Privilege " that, apparently, is some sort of " I win " button available on tap.

      No one talk about an "I win" button. "White Privilege" is again a shorthand to refer to the natural outcome of so many functions in society being inherently biased against people of color. The simplest example is the outcome of the policy of redlining. The direct result of redlining was that even those people of color that were financially sound and otherwise prosperous effectively couldn't purchase real estate. This insulated the black community from potential gains in the housing market as real estate has exploded in value over the years. The trickle-down result which is often referred to as white privilege is that further generations of people of color are born into circumstances where their family wasn't able to build generational wealth to pass on and give their kids a boost. I don't know anything about you or your family, but I don't think it's far-fetched to assume that your parents eventually owned their own house. Maybe they willed it to you, or maybe they were able to retire comfortably after paying it off. That's a source of financial stability and opportunity that much much fewer black families have been allowed to have.

      They get turned down for jobs and education slots because the Company or University has to have enough minorities lest they be called racists too.

      People get turned down for jobs and education for all sorts of reasons. It's never really been about how hard you work, that's a piece of American mythology with little basis in reality. If your interviewer had a bad day, you might not be getting that job. If you happened to apply to a school that had a huge bump in applications that year, you might not be getting that acceptance letter. It's illegal to discriminate against an individual in an application process specifically on their race. It's not illegal, however, to discriminate based on some other innocuous qualities such as their name. Unfortunately, studies have shown that having a name associated with being of color will negatively affect your job acceptance, even when you have an identical resume to someone with a more white-sounding name. There's a

    2. Re:Dem Angry White Folks is Crazy by sabbede · · Score: 1
      I had the misfortune to have to take a "Race, class and gender" course when in college. That I refused to accept the absurd notion that only white people can be racist hurt my grade.

      Racism is the belief that ethnicity defines unrelated aspects of a person, such as personality traits, behavior, and the capacities for reason and morality; typically in a negative way. There is no dependency on power dynamics, though I was taught there was. If anyone is making the distinction between lingering tendrils of systemic racism and individual racism, it is not in liberal political rhetoric.

      In public speech, there is a growing hyper-sensitivity to racism that results in perfectly innocuous statements being called racist on the most vague and tenuous of bases. I've been told that simply disagreeing with Obama was racist. Calling someone dumb is identified as racist if the person in question is black. Hell, any comment that can be connected in any way to a racial slur forgotten a century ago becomes an opportunity to pounce on someone for racist "dog whistles" only the accuser hears.

      Racism is bad. It is irrational, and unhelpful at best. But the hypersensitive, extreme-left, "social justice" crowd's behavior is just as bad. By seeing it everywhere and viciously overreacting, they have become the monsters they thought they were fighting.

      Change is stressful. It doesn't matter if a change is good or bad, it is stressful. If you tell people they are bad for being stressed out by changes, that will cause problems. It will cause an equally powerful counter-action. In other words, if there is a rise in "white nationalism", it is the direct result of the behavior of those who think they are fighting it.

  59. That Cro-Magnon propaganda right there. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Neanderthals were the smarter, stronger, more advanced, but slower reproducing kin to the Cro-Magnon. In the process of their interbreeding with their cousins (Cro-Magnons) they gave them just enough added intellect to ethnically cleanse them, resulting in the humanity we have today.

    Prove me wrong.

  60. Re:The shoe fits right down to the millimeter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    White Nationalism is the radical notion that we whites have human rights.
    Specifically:

    we have the right to ethnicity
    we have the right to nationality
    we have the right to our culture
    we have the right to national self-determination
    we have the right to self-government

    Visualize a Free White Nation!!!

    Tear down the Empire!

  61. Propaganda by Quake1v1 · · Score: 1

    this is what it looks like.

  62. White Nationalist means by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    someone who wants to form a whites only ethno-state. This is a thing that exists and is growing and therefore needs a name. What else would you call that? And how is it mangling the language?

    It reminds me of one of my mainframe buds who couldn't wrap his head around the concept of metadata. "It's just data!". Well, no, it's not. It's data about data. "But that's just data". Yes, but it's a kind of data, and it became increasingly common and important to discuss so we made a term for it so that we could discuss it more clearly and succinctly.

    Same thing here. I could say "Persons who advocate for a White Ethno-State" but if I'm going to be talking about them a lot "White Nationalist" is easier. Now, that I'm stuck talking about them a lot shows how bad things have gotten....

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  63. Um.. no, that's not the problem. by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Problem is that when you cut programs for fighting domestic terror in a country where white supremacists account for a disproportionate amount of attacks and then say both sides are bad when literal Nazis are rallying, well...

    There just comes a time to call a Spade a Spade. I don't care of Trump really drinks the Kool-Aid or is just doing it for the votes or even the lulz. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and hiel Hitler's like a duck, it's a White Nationalist. Sooner we stop living in denial the better. This will not end well for us otherwise. Ignoring reality never does...

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    1. Re: Um.. no, that's not the problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      100% of the real, self-described, Hitler-loving, big-N Nazis I have met were German. Now granted, that 100% was one single elderly German tourist, but...

    2. Re:Um.. no, that's not the problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could also try to 'go one step further' and ask yourself what is the underlying cause (hint: its the degenerate unfair society). But yes i know, i know, 'we' have to maintain 'our' current 'economic'/'ideological' course because 'we' are doing so great now and who gives a damn about everyone else and what will happen few years in the future. Fighting the 'domestic terror' is like putting a makeup on face distorted by cancer inside - it looks 'nice' but you didn't really do anything.

      Try reading about the 'crisis' in Weimar republic and how it was used for propaganda so that "Nationalists" came to power. So do continue on your current path
      of 'unfair society' and see where it gets you. Just wait and see what will happen if this automation thing goes through in bad way and there is 50%+ unemployment. And this Trump guy is just a low quality clown to steal your attention away from real issues.

    3. Re:Um.. no, that's not the problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have any friends who are cops? Know any who police "demonstrations"?

      If so, ask them about which ones tend to end up in violence. Ask them about which ones tend to threaten the police and others. Ask them which ones results in property damage.

      I dont think you'd like the answer.

  64. Everyone is allowed to be Nationlist except Whites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder why people get so mad when people talk about white nationilsm. It's truly a fucking puzzle that nobody can solve.

  65. Re:shocking and a revelation: the US underbelly li by Cederic · · Score: 1

    I hadn't heard of this and you've been too oblique in your description. Could you name the individual in question to aid me in finding out more information?

  66. sticks and stones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no u r.

  67. The Saint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure, he was the star of The Saint.

  68. let me try to answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1."How do you raise the minimum wage to 15/hr while simultaneously allowing an endless flood of people in that will work for $5/hr ?"
    Easy, you only care about your profit and you manipulated 'suckers' into not being too annoyed, since you clearly given them 15/hr raise. (haha)

    2. "If sexual preference is biologically determined, just how is gender a social construct ?"
    Who said its biologically determined? For example in prisons/army there is not much choice so... i'll let you figure that one out by yourself.

    3."Or the simple If it's OK for the U.S. to interfere in Russian elections, why wouldn't you expect them to return the favor ?"
    Rules for US are different from rules for THEM.
    Everything WE do is good, nice, 'given by god', democratic, we spread freedom ... everything THEY do is bad, evil, satan made them do it, they are subhuman monsters, dogs,... Its common propaganda intensified in wartime.

  69. LOL at "hijacked" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In other words, white people aren't allowed to be concerned about our coming MINORITY status, in our OWN countries, which obviously means we won't have our own countries any more. Which is somehow a good thing. Anybody care to tell me why?

    White people are supposed to accept mass immigration until it is irreversible without tens of millions of people being killed. When did white people ask for mass immigration? Why would we want to become minorities in our own countries? I thought being a minority was a bad thing?

    Any 'hate' in my words above? This is what Youtube has been banning - any speech that doesn't go with the narrative.

    Those white people reading these words who actually want more immigration obviously want to live as a white minority in a non-white majority country, so why don't you just MOVE to Africa, or India, or Brazil, or China, and become a white minority instantly?

  70. But they have to bake the cake. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The government sent armed men to the baker and told him he had to bake the gay cake.
    Where are the armed men forcing youtube to allow comments they don't agree with?

    captcha: HYPOCRISY

  71. No True Scotsman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No serious* person in the Progressive movement

    You invalidate your entire post by opening with the No True Scotsman fallacy. You use it more than once.

    And I don't think you speak for the whole "Progressive movement". Did they elect you Queen of the Progressives?

    We'll just leave identifying all the other logical fallacies your post is overflowing with as exercise for other readers.

  72. Yeah it's amazing how many hate filled posts exist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's really interesting is this:
    1. In spite of the amount of hate going *down* for the last fifty years, recently since about 2012 the number of neo-nazi posts and comments have skyrocketed
    2. The english language level of these posts is around grade 5

    Where are all these neo-nazis coming from? I personally don't know any and have only ever ran into one person in my entire life who is openly racist.

    Answer: they are fake and coming from a combination of russians, bots and the far left who have an agenda to get anti-neo nazi laws put in place with such a broad reach they can shut down the opinion of anyone right of center left by deeming it neo nazi.

  73. absurd! ridiculous! outrageous! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Meanwhile every single western white majority nation is facing an immigration crisis, which has been condoned if not outright urged on by corporate media and politicians eager to participate in social engineering at a national level. The more fractured a society is, the easier it is to exploit and subvert it. This is happening.

    Whites in the US are already projected to be in the minority status within several decades, and yet NGOs funded by certain billionaire 'jewish philanthropists' are promoting open borders and involved in organizing massive migrant caravans.

    This replacement theory has a foundation of verifiable evidence.

  74. Garbage by vizbones · · Score: 0

    Came for the garbage comments -- wasn't disappointed. Wouldn't do again, too nauseating...