Since there is talk of this being tightly integrated with Websphere, it would make sense that this would run as part of their app developer product WSAD (based off of eclipse). Eclipse is written in Java, uses the snappier native SWT UI, and already provides a large number of word processing funtions. Much of the work is already done. IBM could simply write some plugins and distribute them for either WSAD or eclipse.
I'm not sure what portion of the work would be reserved for the server, if this were the case though.
Yup. These features rock. Grab the Tab Browser Extension for Phoenix/Moz and you're all set - it lets you configure focus when you close a tab, as well as allow you to drag-n-drop tabs to change order (though I don't find that very useful--how would you use this feature to your benefit?).
I think the Tab Browser Extensions should be in the browser builds themselves, but at least the functionality is there if you want it.
I have a similar set of minimalist gestures. I like to keep them as simplistic as possible where I only have to move in one direction. I have left/right for back/forward, "Up" for New Tab, "Down" for Close Tab.
I wanted the use of a few more commands, so I also hacked the mozgestOverlay.js to handle a second mouse button. (I put in this request to the mozgest authors, but in the meantime I had to modify the code myself.) So all of the previous commands are performed when holding the left mouse button. I set up the following identical commands to be performed when I press the MIDDLE mouse button: left/right for "Previous Tab/Next Tab" (I love that one!), "Up" for "Reload Tab", "Down" for "Add Bookmark".
It's pretty cool. That way, I never have to make more than one movement to perform a gesture. Fast and easy. You could even modify the mozgestOverlay.js to recognize a third mouse button and add even more commands. But I only have a small subset of commands that I run, so this works for me.
Speaking of copying, how about the recent Reebok commercial that starts out as an identical replica of the Nike "Streak" commercial, with the naked guy streaking at a soccer match. Just when you're thinking "oh, it's a continuation of that Nike commercial!" the dude gets SMACKED! Terry Tate, Office Linebacker, has just creamed him.
That's got to be one of the funniest crossover commercials I've ever seen. Credit to Reebok. Now I'm just waiting for Nike to respond with a naked Terry Tate streaking at a soccer match.
Err... no. Actually I don't if I'd wanna see that.
Everything that people are requesting in this thread IS available. You have to get the tabbed browsing extension. I think that's what the top poster was referring to as going to "find and obscure plug-in"...
I don't think it's that hard to get it or configure it. Just go to Tools-->Themes and Extensions--> and click on Get New Extensions. Then click on the Tabbed Browsing Extensions. Then you'll have a bunch more options underneath the Tabbed Browsing entry in the preferences. It's really not THAT hard. And I think the default tabbing options that are included initially are suitable for normal users. NO need to confuse users with a myriad of options if they don't care. If you want more fine-grained control, pick up the aforementioned extension. That's what it's there for. Not a big deal.
Oh, also, regarding the default theme... I believe there's a way to CHANGE themes if you don't like the one you're using. But that would probably require going into those SCARY preferences again and it would probably be under some obscure menu option such as Themes and Extensions or something like that. *shudder*
Thank you! I could not figure out how to install this for the life of me! I was just trying to install directly from the optimoz webpage. Why wouldn't that work as it does in mozilla? Anyways, it seemed non-intuitive to me at first, but I guess Themes and Extensions makes sense enough...
As for the UI, there SHOULD be one that shows up in the prefs page as Mouse Gestures. This does occur under Mozilla. However, cruising some of the phoenix discussion boards, it looks like the lack of UI is a known compatibility problem that the mozgest team will have to address.
Thanks again for figuring out how to get these blasted gestures working under Phoenix though! I was going to resort back to Mozilla since I gotta have my gestures!:)
Dumb question - how did you get your optimoz mouse gestures to install under Phoenix? I never have a problem when installing them using Mozilla. But under Phoenix it says it installed correctly and it appears under the chrome directory, but I don't seem to have gesture support when I restart Phoenix. Is there something special that you have to do?
If you configure the mozilla gestures to best suit you, they can make you more productive than just using shortcut key combinations I think. I would like to see a challenge between my setup with optimoz gestures and someone solely using their keyboard or any other mechanism (radial menus, etc). I seriously think gestures (when configured correctly) can be quicker than most anything.
The configuration can is key. It should be suited to what you as a user can do most efficiently. I have the left mouse button mapped to do the gesturing because that's where my finger naturally rests and I'm quicker with the left button than the right button (don't know why.)
Left and right gestures are mapped to back and forward in the browser history. I have the intellimouse with the back and forward buttons, but I honestly find that the gestures are faster. Just make a quick, slight milisecond movement and you go back a page. Sweet. When I use a browser without gestures and I am actually forced to move my mouse up to click the Back button, I now get so frustrated because it feels like going back to 56k after getting used to a T1.
I have UP mapped to open a new tab, and DOWN mapped to close tab. I like this a lot because I'm always opening up new tabs. With just a quick flick, I have a new window open. And I can quickly close down any tab when I'm done looking at it, and I'm right back at the previous tab. All this without having to move my mouse location.
That's what I love most about gestures is that I can keep my mouse cursor at it's original location; I don't have to move it to close a tab or open a tab. I don't even have to have my hand on the keyboard.
Another important key is to keep the gestures short. None of this Right-Down-Up-Left stuff. I like clean, simple, one-or-two direction gestures. I have all my oft-used functions as short gestures. Reload (Down-Up). Add bookmard (Down-Right)...
Here is my favorite optimized gesture experience. I gesture up once - a new tab is opened. I gesture Left-Right, and Google opens in the new tag. That is, I have Left-Right mapped to go to my home page. So with 3 quick movements I can have google open in a new tab window. That's pretty damn cool.
In closing, my mozilla browsing experience has certainly skyrocketed after I discovered gestures. I would seriously like to see a Mozilla Browsing Efficiency Challenge (MBEC). I think the person armed with the right gestures would be a serious contender.
At my high school, we could receive a grade of "E" as well as "F".
An E meant you Failed (With Effort). That is, you did homework and tests, but you just did so poorly that you received a failing grade.
An F meant that you just plain Failed, as in you stopped trying or didn't even care. I think that F's outweighed the E's, but receiving an E was by no means rare.
Props to RIT. Ever have Ken Reek for any CS courses? That dude's like a human computer and can't understand it when tests reveal that his students are not the same. He's a prime example of slashing points for stupid reasons.
Oh. And don't forget the most important rule you learn from RIT: "Never EVER use a break; statement." Riiiiight.
... while Derek Dick, the greatest lyricist in the world, holds an estate sale to feed his wife and daughter.
Someone else who realizes the lyrical poet mastermind that is Derek Dick? Fish is not only a great artist, but a great guy. I suppose if one good thing had to be recognized of his hardships, it would be the fact that since he knows that he is not going to make a lot of money anyway, he can connect with the fans the way he wants to. That's why he can perform today an album in its entirety that was created over 15 years ago (Misplaced Childhood, my all-time favorite) because both he and a lot of fans think that this was a classic, brilliant piece of music, and not because any marketroid is telling him to. Also, it's interesting to see him create alternative means to continue doing things the way he wants, whether it's creating his own record lable, or alternative business models (his last album pre-order to finance the same album). And on top of all of this, is the fact that Fish is one of the most gifted poets of our time. Truly wonderful. So while N*Sync may have more money than they deserve for the rest of their lives, if any one can and will survive, it's Fish.
wtf?! Why does everyone make this a big deal about this everytime? With the "(free reg req, blah, etc)" noted in the submissions each single damn time. It's the NYT's fucking site, you don't have to constantly bitch about them because of the fact that they make you register. You don't like it, it's unneccessary, it shouldn't be done... Alright, we get it, okay, move on with your life. I find that more annoying than the blatant MS bashing. At least just make a NYT-Borg icon to express your displeasure, so I don't have to read the "free-reg" shit everytime.
Sheesh. Or just take 3 seconds and use the u/pw: slash2001, and you won't have to worry about it ever again.
But it would discourage 15 high school friends from getting together and pooling their money to buy a single music CD and a spindle of blank discs...
Shyeah, right... Maybe back in the early 90s. Today, it's more like 20 or 21 high school friends getting together and pooling their money, and even if they each put in $1, they won't have enough fundage left over to spring for the blank discs! Dammit, piracy is getting expensive!
Ok, I just have to defend my favorite band, Marillion. If you're basing your opinion solely on their single, Kayleigh, from the mid-80s, they're not the same band anymore. With current lead singer Steve Hogarth, they sound very distinct and modern, and are still putting out progressive (and not in the Yes sense of the word) and interesting music.
Sure, they did start out rather pretentiously, taking on the name Silmarillion (which was soon shortened to Marillion for copyright reasons), and releasing a somewhat Genesis-influenced 20 minute epic, Grendel, which was sung from the sympathetic point-of-view of the monster in Beowulf (See, this post is on-topic!). But they evolved and adapted with the times, and their current output (see: Anoraknophobia) is miles away from the early days. Not that I don't still love all of the 80s output headed by frontman and lyrical mastermind Fish, mind you. Simply different eras. Both have the ability to move a listener and alternately rock hard-core. Ok, I'm done defending my favorite band now. Carry on.
Was I the only one expecting the storyline to continue as such:
So I went downtown, picked up some prostitutes, had them 'do their thing', and then beat 'em up and got my money back.
I've just about made up my mind about getting a Tivo in the very near future. There is one thing I was wondering about. I've read through the Tivo information/reviews, but one thing I wasn't sure was what happens when a show is interrupted by, say the President of the US, or something like the 9/11 events. Do these get recorded during the scheduled show time, or does Tivo skip them? I assume TiVo would continue to record the interrupted program if it runs late due to the interruption. I guess I am just interested in what happens in this situation. I personally would want to see whatever was important enough to interrupt the program.
Milk is better for you than Coke, but which one sells more?
Uh... Could it sell more because of the fact that most people prefer the taste of Coke to milk? It doesn't have to be because one is force-fed to us by the media. I don't care how much advertising Milk had, I don't think people are going to go out to a restaraunt and get a milk. They're going to get a Coke because they want a carbonated beverage with their food.
All this is just to say that I watch CNN over the net, not because TV news is specifically presented so that I like it better, but because I want to SEE the planes hitting the towers, I don't want to just READ about it (and don't say that you can watch it online; I don't think RealVideo streams do justice to how massive the terror of that image really was).
Just a thought.
Thank you. This is my feeling exactly. I love my CDs, their presentation, the physicality of it all. I like going to my massive cd rack in the morning, scanning the titles and selecting 8 or so albums to stick in my backpack and take with me to work.
I don't know who else does this (am I the only one??) but my ritual involves starting up the CD, and then taking the CD case, opening it about 25 degrees wide and standing it up on end. The back faces me, with all of the titles displayed so I quickly see them, and at the same time the front faces outward. I have my desk arranged at work so I'm facing the door, so whenever people walk by they can see the front case of which CD I'm currently listening to at the moment (sort of like an actual representation of the "now playing:" taglines people sometimes put at the end of messages). I've had more than a few random people stop by and strike up a conversation based on the CD that was currently being displayed. "Oh, you're a Marillion/Beatles/Tull/etc fan. Cool!" Yes, my friends. That IS cool. Do that with your MP3's! (Hmmm.... I suppose I could mount a scrolling LED display outside my office door with the current MP3 track playing... Nah, it's just not the same.)
Long live the presentation of media! The media itself is only part of it!
I'm interested in which parts of the LOTR you find to be somewhat boring? I just re-read the trilogy, and can't think of any sections that bore me. It's not constant excitment, but it is always interesting. The Hobbit is a little slow starting out, but I always thought the LOTR to be anything but boring. (I realize you're not calling the LOTR boring, but merely noting that certain points of the story were less-than-enthralling. I'm just curious, I guess.)
Check out jayandsilentbob.com to see some guy who is vehemently against this movie, the characters Jay and Silent Bob, and Kevin Smith in general. Sheesh, there were much worse movies this summer to direct all of your energy into starting a small rebellion against, than Kevin Smith's latest work...
Heh, you stopped just sort of calling your wife dumb. Nice one; it could've been the couch for you tonight. (well, that is if your wife read/., in which case she would be much more intelligent than the average computer user... hmmm, or would she?;)
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When I read this headline, all I could picture was a bunch of mobster software developers sitting around a table like in Goodfellas...
Joe Pesci: "Funny how? I mean, funny like I'm a closed source developer? I amuse you? I make you laugh? I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? How da' fuck am I funny? What da' fuck is so funny about me? Tell me, tell me what's funny."
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Since there is talk of this being tightly integrated with Websphere, it would make sense that this would run as part of their app developer product WSAD (based off of eclipse). Eclipse is written in Java, uses the snappier native SWT UI, and already provides a large number of word processing funtions. Much of the work is already done. IBM could simply write some plugins and distribute them for either WSAD or eclipse.
I'm not sure what portion of the work would be reserved for the server, if this were the case though.
Yup. These features rock. Grab the Tab Browser Extension for Phoenix/Moz and you're all set - it lets you configure focus when you close a tab, as well as allow you to drag-n-drop tabs to change order (though I don't find that very useful--how would you use this feature to your benefit?).
I think the Tab Browser Extensions should be in the browser builds themselves, but at least the functionality is there if you want it.
I have a similar set of minimalist gestures. I like to keep them as simplistic as possible where I only have to move in one direction.
I have left/right for back/forward, "Up" for New Tab, "Down" for Close Tab.
I wanted the use of a few more commands, so I also hacked the mozgestOverlay.js to handle a second mouse button. (I put in this request to the mozgest authors, but in the meantime I had to modify the code myself.) So all of the previous commands are performed when holding the left mouse button. I set up the following identical commands to be performed when I press the MIDDLE mouse button:
left/right for "Previous Tab/Next Tab" (I love that one!), "Up" for "Reload Tab", "Down" for "Add Bookmark".
It's pretty cool. That way, I never have to make more than one movement to perform a gesture. Fast and easy. You could even modify the mozgestOverlay.js to recognize a third mouse button and add even more commands. But I only have a small subset of commands that I run, so this works for me.
Speaking of copying, how about the recent Reebok commercial that starts out as an identical replica of the Nike "Streak" commercial, with the naked guy streaking at a soccer match. Just when you're thinking "oh, it's a continuation of that Nike commercial!" the dude gets SMACKED! Terry Tate, Office Linebacker, has just creamed him.
That's got to be one of the funniest crossover commercials I've ever seen. Credit to Reebok. Now I'm just waiting for Nike to respond with a naked Terry Tate streaking at a soccer match.
Err... no. Actually I don't if I'd wanna see that.
Everything that people are requesting in this thread IS available. You have to get the tabbed browsing extension. I think that's what the top poster was referring to as going to "find and obscure plug-in"...
I don't think it's that hard to get it or configure it. Just go to Tools-->Themes and Extensions--> and click on Get New Extensions. Then click on the Tabbed Browsing Extensions. Then you'll have a bunch more options underneath the Tabbed Browsing entry in the preferences. It's really not THAT hard. And I think the default tabbing options that are included initially are suitable for normal users. NO need to confuse users with a myriad of options if they don't care. If you want more fine-grained control, pick up the aforementioned extension. That's what it's there for. Not a big deal.
Oh, also, regarding the default theme... I believe there's a way to CHANGE themes if you don't like the one you're using. But that would probably require going into those SCARY preferences again and it would probably be under some obscure menu option such as Themes and Extensions or something like that. *shudder*
Thank you! I could not figure out how to install this for the life of me! I was just trying to install directly from the optimoz webpage. Why wouldn't that work as it does in mozilla? Anyways, it seemed non-intuitive to me at first, but I guess Themes and Extensions makes sense enough...
:)
As for the UI, there SHOULD be one that shows up in the prefs page as Mouse Gestures. This does occur under Mozilla. However, cruising some of the phoenix discussion boards, it looks like the lack of UI is a known compatibility problem that the mozgest team will have to address.
Thanks again for figuring out how to get these blasted gestures working under Phoenix though! I was going to resort back to Mozilla since I gotta have my gestures!
Dumb question - how did you get your optimoz mouse gestures to install under Phoenix? I never have a problem when installing them using Mozilla. But under Phoenix it says it installed correctly and it appears under the chrome directory, but I don't seem to have gesture support when I restart Phoenix. Is there something special that you have to do?
If you configure the mozilla gestures to best suit you, they can make you more productive than just using shortcut key combinations I think. I would like to see a challenge between my setup with optimoz gestures and someone solely using their keyboard or any other mechanism (radial menus, etc). I seriously think gestures (when configured correctly) can be quicker than most anything.
The configuration can is key. It should be suited to what you as a user can do most efficiently. I have the left mouse button mapped to do the gesturing because that's where my finger naturally rests and I'm quicker with the left button than the right button (don't know why.)
Left and right gestures are mapped to back and forward in the browser history. I have the intellimouse with the back and forward buttons, but I honestly find that the gestures are faster. Just make a quick, slight milisecond movement and you go back a page. Sweet. When I use a browser without gestures and I am actually forced to move my mouse up to click the Back button, I now get so frustrated because it feels like going back to 56k after getting used to a T1.
I have UP mapped to open a new tab, and DOWN mapped to close tab. I like this a lot because I'm always opening up new tabs. With just a quick flick, I have a new window open. And I can quickly close down any tab when I'm done looking at it, and I'm right back at the previous tab. All this without having to move my mouse location.
That's what I love most about gestures is that I can keep my mouse cursor at it's original location; I don't have to move it to close a tab or open a tab. I don't even have to have my hand on the keyboard.
Another important key is to keep the gestures short. None of this Right-Down-Up-Left stuff. I like clean, simple, one-or-two direction gestures. I have all my oft-used functions as short gestures. Reload (Down-Up). Add bookmard (Down-Right)...
Here is my favorite optimized gesture experience. I gesture up once - a new tab is opened. I gesture Left-Right, and Google opens in the new tag. That is, I have Left-Right mapped to go to my home page. So with 3 quick movements I can have google open in a new tab window. That's pretty damn cool.
In closing, my mozilla browsing experience has certainly skyrocketed after I discovered gestures. I would seriously like to see a Mozilla Browsing Efficiency Challenge (MBEC). I think the person armed with the right gestures would be a serious contender.
At my high school, we could receive a grade of "E" as well as "F".
An E meant you Failed (With Effort). That is, you did homework and tests, but you just did so poorly that you received a failing grade.
An F meant that you just plain Failed, as in you stopped trying or didn't even care. I think that F's outweighed the E's, but receiving an E was by no means rare.
To be fair, this is also a Doodette Thing(tm).
Props to RIT. Ever have Ken Reek for any CS courses? That dude's like a human computer and can't understand it when tests reveal that his students are not the same. He's a prime example of slashing points for stupid reasons.
Oh. And don't forget the most important rule you learn from RIT: "Never EVER use a break; statement." Riiiiight.
Ok... Now that was just funny.
Nicely done.
"With the skizm-de-boop-de-jellopuddingpops!"
... while Derek Dick, the greatest lyricist in the world, holds an estate sale to feed his wife and daughter.
Someone else who realizes the lyrical poet mastermind that is Derek Dick? Fish is not only a great artist, but a great guy. I suppose if one good thing had to be recognized of his hardships, it would be the fact that since he knows that he is not going to make a lot of money anyway, he can connect with the fans the way he wants to. That's why he can perform today an album in its entirety that was created over 15 years ago (Misplaced Childhood, my all-time favorite) because both he and a lot of fans think that this was a classic, brilliant piece of music, and not because any marketroid is telling him to. Also, it's interesting to see him create alternative means to continue doing things the way he wants, whether it's creating his own record lable, or alternative business models (his last album pre-order to finance the same album). And on top of all of this, is the fact that Fish is one of the most gifted poets of our time. Truly wonderful. So while N*Sync may have more money than they deserve for the rest of their lives, if any one can and will survive, it's Fish.
wtf?! Why does everyone make this a big deal about this everytime? With the "(free reg req, blah, etc)" noted in the submissions each single damn time. It's the NYT's fucking site, you don't have to constantly bitch about them because of the fact that they make you register. You don't like it, it's unneccessary, it shouldn't be done... Alright, we get it, okay, move on with your life. I find that more annoying than the blatant MS bashing. At least just make a NYT-Borg icon to express your displeasure, so I don't have to read the "free-reg" shit everytime.
Sheesh. Or just take 3 seconds and use the u/pw: slash2001, and you won't have to worry about it ever again.
But it would discourage 15 high school friends from getting together and pooling their money to buy a single music CD and a spindle of blank discs...
Shyeah, right... Maybe back in the early 90s. Today, it's more like 20 or 21 high school friends getting together and pooling their money, and even if they each put in $1, they won't have enough fundage left over to spring for the blank discs! Dammit, piracy is getting expensive!
nor Marillion - they're bloody rubbish
Ok, I just have to defend my favorite band, Marillion. If you're basing your opinion solely on their single, Kayleigh, from the mid-80s, they're not the same band anymore. With current lead singer Steve Hogarth, they sound very distinct and modern, and are still putting out progressive (and not in the Yes sense of the word) and interesting music.
Sure, they did start out rather pretentiously, taking on the name Silmarillion (which was soon shortened to Marillion for copyright reasons), and releasing a somewhat Genesis-influenced 20 minute epic, Grendel, which was sung from the sympathetic point-of-view of the monster in Beowulf (See, this post is on-topic!). But they evolved and adapted with the times, and their current output (see: Anoraknophobia) is miles away from the early days. Not that I don't still love all of the 80s output headed by frontman and lyrical mastermind Fish, mind you. Simply different eras. Both have the ability to move a listener and alternately rock hard-core. Ok, I'm done defending my favorite band now. Carry on.
So she sez "okay, show me!"
Was I the only one expecting the storyline to continue as such:
So I went downtown, picked up some prostitutes, had them 'do their thing', and then beat 'em up and got my money back.
Wife was not offended.
I've just about made up my mind about getting a Tivo in the very near future. There is one thing I was wondering about. I've read through the Tivo information/reviews, but one thing I wasn't sure was what happens when a show is interrupted by, say the President of the US, or something like the 9/11 events. Do these get recorded during the scheduled show time, or does Tivo skip them? I assume TiVo would continue to record the interrupted program if it runs late due to the interruption. I guess I am just interested in what happens in this situation. I personally would want to see whatever was important enough to interrupt the program.
Milk is better for you than Coke, but which one sells more?
Uh... Could it sell more because of the fact that most people prefer the taste of Coke to milk? It doesn't have to be because one is force-fed to us by the media. I don't care how much advertising Milk had, I don't think people are going to go out to a restaraunt and get a milk. They're going to get a Coke because they want a carbonated beverage with their food.
All this is just to say that I watch CNN over the net, not because TV news is specifically presented so that I like it better, but because I want to SEE the planes hitting the towers, I don't want to just READ about it (and don't say that you can watch it online; I don't think RealVideo streams do justice to how massive the terror of that image really was). Just a thought.
"...a spin on the story from The Register can be read at the Register."
Yes, but only if you go to The Register, which you'll find at The Register.
Thank you. This is my feeling exactly. I love my CDs, their presentation, the physicality of it all. I like going to my massive cd rack in the morning, scanning the titles and selecting 8 or so albums to stick in my backpack and take with me to work.
I don't know who else does this (am I the only one??) but my ritual involves starting up the CD, and then taking the CD case, opening it about 25 degrees wide and standing it up on end. The back faces me, with all of the titles displayed so I quickly see them, and at the same time the front faces outward. I have my desk arranged at work so I'm facing the door, so whenever people walk by they can see the front case of which CD I'm currently listening to at the moment (sort of like an actual representation of the "now playing:" taglines people sometimes put at the end of messages). I've had more than a few random people stop by and strike up a conversation based on the CD that was currently being displayed. "Oh, you're a Marillion/Beatles/Tull/etc fan. Cool!" Yes, my friends. That IS cool. Do that with your MP3's! (Hmmm.... I suppose I could mount a scrolling LED display outside my office door with the current MP3 track playing... Nah, it's just not the same.)
Long live the presentation of media! The media itself is only part of it!
I'm interested in which parts of the LOTR you find to be somewhat boring? I just re-read the trilogy, and can't think of any sections that bore me. It's not constant excitment, but it is always interesting. The Hobbit is a little slow starting out, but I always thought the LOTR to be anything but boring. (I realize you're not calling the LOTR boring, but merely noting that certain points of the story were less-than-enthralling. I'm just curious, I guess.)
Check out jayandsilentbob.com to see some guy who is vehemently against this movie, the characters Jay and Silent Bob, and Kevin Smith in general. Sheesh, there were much worse movies this summer to direct all of your energy into starting a small rebellion against, than Kevin Smith's latest work...
Heh, you stopped just sort of calling your wife dumb. Nice one; it could've been the couch for you tonight. (well, that is if your wife read /., in which case she would be much more intelligent than the average computer user... hmmm, or would she? ;)
When I read this headline, all I could picture was a bunch of mobster software developers sitting around a table like in Goodfellas...
Joe Pesci: "Funny how? I mean, funny like I'm a closed source developer? I amuse you? I make you laugh? I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? How da' fuck am I funny? What da' fuck is so funny about me? Tell me, tell me what's funny."