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You might want to look at the Basilisk II port for OS X. It will emulate an old machine, and you can run up to System 8 I believe (never ran System 8 myself - I ducked out of Macs at 7.5.5 and came back in at Jaguar).

Cheers,
Ian

Yes - aside from the Classic environment, there are emulators that will play at being a pre-PPC mac and run software written for System 7 and below.

VMac runs under Classic.

There is also an OS X version of Basilisk.

The bad news is that for either of these to run System 7 or below, you need a 68k MacOS ROM - which you can't obtain legally except from your own 68k Mac (of course, IANAL). Oh, and you need a copy of the OS - but System 7 is available for download here.

"im in australia and we get jipped on everything - we dont even have any online music stores"

Of course the US and Australia both share the same primary language which results in far more US traffic than South Korea. Add in the people per capita, Telstra and South Korea's pro broadband government and that explains bandwidth costs in Australia.

Of course the price of bandwidth has resulted in a lot of peering exchanges meaning that while I can only download 8 gig of "premium" data a month on my 512 account, my ISP lets me download from itself and other peered ISP's in my state for free.

See also: Nissan Consult

Contrary to popular belief Fosters is not the beer of choice for most Australians, it just has a really highly paid international add campaign. A short guide to beer in Aus.

This page has some reasons.

That's news to me! I invite the slashdot crowd to see how much Australia's two competing cable providers charge for their respective services. Take note of the download allowances.

Optus
Telstra

How is that for good value?

Archeologists work there entire careers for the opportunity to get a scrap of 1/3 a sheet of paper.
Say what you want, but in 3000 years those CD's will be in much better shape then a book.

Funny thet, but over here most archeologist would give their right hand for finding something like this, but then my ansestors wasn't very keen on books...

However, it was the second part of you statement I balked at. Even the the guys making CDs are only claiming a lifetime of 75 to 200 years, and that is probaly not achivable in real life. Others suggest a lifespan of 100 years, while people report that certain kinds of CD-Rs ain't readable after just 1 year. That aside, some of the riches sources of information archeologist has about life in the past is their rubbishtips - do you really want the archologists of the future to find several billion AOL-CDs?

As for taking up space in a landfill... you're right. Other things do take up more room, but a lot of what you give as examples are biodegrable anyway (espesially papar - it's just dead tree anyway), and every bit count, right? We don't have to leave the entire planet filled with waste for our children.
Still, unless these new, bidegradable CDs can be produced for the same or less cost than ordindary CDs, I can't see they catch on.

Both the big two broadband providers in Australia flatly refuse to deal with anything other than Windows or Mac. Ex-housemate and I had heard stories to this effect when we ordered Optus cable to our house, so we decided to let them think we were going to use Windows internet connection sharing to pass the cable between two different machines. Within 30 minutes of the cable guys leaving we had an old Pentium running Mandrake routing the cable through every PC in the house (about 6 if memory serves me right).

When our cable modem cooked itself about 9 months later, we called them to let them know - when the tech turned up to "fit" the replacement, first of all he asked to see the settings we had on the machine we connected the modem to, then he wondered why the modem wasn't connected to a PC with a monitor, keyboard and mouse...

When we told him we were running through a Linux box, he played the old "I'm just going to pretend I didn't hear you say that" game, swapped the modems over, and departed.

I think (and anyone correct me if I'm wrong) that the basic policy of most, if not all, broadband providers in Australia is that you can plug your broadband into whatever you like at your end, just don't expect us to help you sort it out when something goes wrong.

How do you get rid of nasty infections? Autoclave! Heat things up enough to smoke out all those nasty hoomins and things can get back to normal around here.

As for volcanos, it looks like the production of CO/CO2 in eruptions can have an effect on global warming. It turns out, however, that the ash/SO2 released into the atmosphere has a cooling effect. It also helps scatter sunlight, allowing for more robust tree growth which leads to more carbon being taken out of the atmosphere.

So, all we need to happen is for the Yellowstone (NetBSD) volcano to erupt (supposed to be violent enough to wipe out hoomanity) and fill the skys with enough ash and SO2 to bring on Fimbulwinter to slow down global warming. Or have a big rock smack into the Indian Ocean.

From a recent Q&A with Tim Willits and Todd Hollenshead:

GameArena: Will we see extended support in the Doom 3 engine for multiplayer for mods and future titles?

Tim Willits: The player limit is fully scalable. We picked four for a number of reasons but those can be scaled up. As far as mod development goes, we think that with the flexibility and the tools that will ship with Doom 3 - the editors included - and because we pulled out a lot of the game code and put it into scripting, we believe that it will be fairly easy for mod developers to make multiplayer versions of single player mods quite easily.

Todd Hollenshead: The mod guys I think are really going to like it; and John Carmack has even said he's really excited to see what the amateur development community can come out with. Not even from a video game stand point, but from Machinima or what have you, Doom 3 is a tool for amateur developers to create stuff. Then the game as well; its really almost unprecedented in terms of the power it provides people to do things. Obviously we're doing a lot of cool stuff with Doom 3 the game, but now people are going to have something that approaches film quality in the level of visual presentation, on a real time basis. So if you're in film school and looking to make animated films, this is the cheapest package you're going to get when the game comes out - a lot cheaper than Maya.

GameArena: One last question about the multiplayer and then we'll stop bugging you about it...

Todd Hollenshead: We like talking about multiplayer! Its not going to be revolutionary but we never set out for it to be like that, but that doesn't mean we don't want it to kick ass.

Tim Willits: One thing that we added to multiplayer which we haven't really talked much about but I think will be well received is the front end; the ability to connect to id.net and chat and open channels have clan talk; we have an IRC-type client built in to really bring the online community together. I think it should actually be pretty cool. We just got our id.net server at work, its a very cool looking rack machine, so we'll definitely have some fun with that.

Just thought some people might be interested in this bit.

Is it just me, or does Australia simply rule? It seems that they make a sensible thing after a sensible thing, seem to be enthusiastic on the Linux front, and generally kick ass? Will Australia be a leading ICT power after a while? US is, well, US and EU seems to be very slow in it's movement.

And as far as spammers go, I wouldn't blink an eye if they were thrown into a pound-me-in-the-ass prison in Siberia. They abuse the "freedom of speech" to make soem easy profit while harrassing general populace, while the freedom of speech that matters is generally not a problem unless you search for such information.

Simply deal with it. Install a decent filter, with lots of herustic and baysian checks

Want space colonization? Try a gold rush... it worked in California, Yukon/Alaska, Australia (Vic), South Africa, and is currently populating parts of Brazil. So what do we need to start this gold rush?

First of all, higher commodity prices for things we'll find in space (metals, diamonds, power, etc). All these things are presently better provided (==cheaper) from terrestrial sources.

Second we need a frontier mentality that ANYONE may go out there and play. If they hurt themselves or get killed adding a mod-chip to their nuclear reactor, well too bad. If somebody does something bad, organize a posse and hunt them down. Only when the population gets big enough do citizens organize permanent posses and call them "police". Then and only then will the colonists form their own government and start paying taxes.

So we have a long way to go before real people have any need to go into space. We haven't finished mining Earth yet :-) .

-AD

In WWII Japan invaded the Australian territory of New Guinea, there were then air raids on Papua (another Australian territory at the time). Then in 1942 they bombed Darwin, Australia's most northern capital city.

The British were more concerned with defending India and wouldn't commit troops to helping Australia, but fortunately for us the US did so.

You can fine more info here.

I borrowed the inlaws telstra cable connection to download mandrake 9.1 isos. They mirror files on their file server!

Inlaws have 500meg data cap. They don't care, they like the 'always-on' aspect. Didn't cost them a cent for me to 'leech' on their connection.

At home I have Optusnet. NO FREE DOWNLOADS FOR ME! The only advantage I can see Telstra having over Optus is that they do offer free traffic. The only free traffic on Optus is checking how much data you've downloaded so far this month. And considering that they cap traffic speed to 3k/s after you go over the limit, I check it at least twice a day.

Not only 'leeches' go over their limit. We would love to play games online on our connection (the ping to some NWN servers in Aus is fantastic) however there are 3 of us in the house, and if we all did a few hours a day in addition to what we normally do with the connection, the cap would kick in about a week into the month. Sometimes it does anyway, like when my brother was viewing movie trailers online and didn't realise that they were over 50meg each. Or when my brother re-installed his OS and then downloaded all the updates to it without checking whether I'd mirrored them locally. Whoops!

I envy you that you can happily go back to dial-up. We're looking at getting TPG Unlimited 512/128. The catches are:

a) Have to pay on credit card; and
b) Have to pay quarterly in advance.

Other than that, it looks great! We have it on good authority from Telstra that our line can get ADSL (and the exchange is across the road so we'd better be able to!). We're willing to pursue it if our application is knocked back. (Anyone who won't put in a complaint when their ISP is told one thing by Telstra and then Telstra is willing to hook them up on the spot is a fool.)

As for your new Estate not having ADSL capabilities, if Telstra is to be believed, you should have it in the next 12 months. They're testing new equipment that'll allow RIM and PG systems to get ADSL. How nice that they didn't bother to do it until the nasty backlash recently. Still, shouldn't complain, they might change their minds.

Well, if it's an option in your area, you can go for Optus cable.

When you exceed your usage limits with them, you have your bandwidth constrainted to 28kbps.

It's still not cheap, but at least you don't get slammed with massive charges because you went over a little bit.

Also, when looking for a broadband provider, make sure they have a local file mirror. Popular files can be retrieved from there, at no cost to you (as the traffic is all local to the provider). Telstra, for example, finally woke up recently and started providing such a service. (Heck, this is important when choosing a dial-up provider, too!)

But our prices really are bad - it looks like there's starting to be a lot of really good ADSL plans going around though, definately some potential.

Your quota is measured as the maximum of traffic in and out, which is fairly common. Some ISPs ignore traffic from you and only charge for traffic to you.

For comparison, Telstra charge you up to 19c/megabyte (here 12-16c) for the combined sum of all traffic both directions, and iiNet (biggest ISP in West Aus, second would be WestNet) soft-limit all home accounts (limits are 6GB for AUD$79.95 512kb a/c or 0.5GB for AUD$49.95 128kb a/c) and charge 12c/MB on business excess.

ALL DSL goes through Telstra DSLAMs except on a very few busy exchanges Optus and/or Request have their own DSLAMs. This causes no end of problems for competing ISPs because they have to phone up and ask Telstra to do a "tunnel reset" when someone's DSL screws up, which often takes a day or two to execute.

Note in the Telstra DSL plans avobe that their entry level plan is AUD$10/mo more expensive, and a 512kb plan with only 3GB limit (sum of both directions, remember?) and a max of two users - the cheek! - is $18/month more than I pay ArachNet.

The WASTE system itself is related to attempts to communicate outside the culture. Since the traditional methods of ordering society have failed to provide the democratic freedom of the American Dream, the narrative proposes, the majority of people have withdrawn from the mainstream into alternative underground worlds. "Last night, she might have wondered what undergrounds apart from the couple she knew of communicated by WASTE system. By sunrise she could legitimately ask what undergrounds didn't." (The Crying of Lot 49 p.86)

-- Dan Kegel

These broadband topics always put me in a bad mood. I live in one of the capital cities of Australia (Adelaide) yet if I want broadband (ADSL is all thats supported in Adelaide) access I have to pay Tel$tra these prices.

For a sample: $76 AUD (about 48 USD currently) a month = 256/64 connection with a monthly download limit of 500 MB . Extra downloading charged. Per MB. I always knew that US broadband was heads above ours but now I find that the Koreans are so far ahead that we'd have to use a telescope to find them.

Most people say AOL is a monolithic shit-for-brains company that everyone with more than half-an-hour of experience on the net hates, cool. I have little if anything to do with them...

..but, to Australians, Telstra invokes a similar reaction. Many Americans would be surprised to see what this monopolistic company charges for local calls, mobile phone calls, internet access and cable tv (with foxtel).

Look at their internet broadband rates:
http://www.bigpond.com/broadband/access/ADSL/plans /

Are you kidding me?

Just as bad are the costs of mobiles, text messages and calls:

http://www.telstra.com.au/mobilenet/price_options/ more4you.htm

25c a text message!? Wtf?

Australians might want to support Australian businesses, but this company doesn't deserve loyalty. I welcome any negative action against Telstra - especially from giant US corporations. Oh please - won't some US telco come in to Australia and NOT play by telstra's rules?!

Hello, Australia??? Why do you put up with this shit? Do they have a forced monopoly in certain areas, where you must use their service for some types of ISP connectivity

Not a bad idea, actually Apples last a while, well mind the Apple Lisa Harddisk that was there. Actually I have some working core memory (that one isnt working, but I have more) at home. My mac classic has never failed since it was new. My PC has failed a few times.

Not a bad idea, actually Apples last a while, well mind the Apple Lisa Harddisk that was there. Actually I have some working core memory (that one isnt working, but I have more) at home. My mac classic has never failed since it was new. My PC has failed a few times.

Not a bad idea, actually Apples last a while, well mind the Apple Lisa Harddisk that was there. Actually I have some working core memory (that one isnt working, but I have more) at home. My mac classic has never failed since it was new. My PC has failed a few times.

And there are many regional IXes, besides things like the AUSBONE. WAIX, the Western Australian IX, is a good example of this done fairly well. Almost every ISP with a presence in the state has a presence, as well as several other big transport providers (Singtel, Comindico, etc).

There are a few main problems with Australian peering. First, certain big, nasty corporations profit too much from providing rip-off transit services by refusing to peer with IXs. Secondly, said companies have really stupidly designed broadband solutions involving tunneling most traffic interstate -before- providing endpoint connectivity. Thus local peering is impossible thanks to stupid design. Minus one for incentive.

The second issue is one that this will hopefully help address - BGP size. Unfortunatly, Australian BGP feeds are notoriously poluted thanks to various hacks and tricks in our national transit networks. This causes everyone a headache, as keeping a full BGP feed on a router (for both routing -and- accounting puposes) is expensive. Route tables are pretty memory hungry, and most backbone infrastructure is still driven by Cisco routers. Extra ram is not cheap, assuming you have the grunt to hold the table anyway.

The third problem is consumer oriented. Australian ISPs -have- to make money currently because Transit is expensive here. Even with this change, transit will still be far more expensive than in most other places in the world. While solutions to this are being worked on (new links and companies trying to bypass the traditional monopolies), this means Australian consumers are almost always traffic capped and either shaped or billed after a 3-6gb allowance.

It's not 1gb, but it's still a pain. Now, the problem is that in Western Australia we are lucky. Most ISPs give free access to the WAIX for their customers. This is fast and a major cost cutter for everybody. The IX has a lot of excellent resources - mirrors abound for everything.

However this does not happen in most other states. Or to a limited extent. Part of this is the age-old ingress/egress problem (just because a traceroute going OUT, eg a http -request- goes via a IX, the charged incoming data usually won't) presenting both confusion and billing problems. This leads to the second part, where most IXs, eg AusBone, do -not have a well maintained list of freely peered resources available-.

Billing is a pain for ISPs in other states as it's very hard to tell if something is freely available, and providing this as a marketing ploy (technically IXes are good... netadmins will be happy, finance may be happy - but given the outlay for ram for BGP, etc, -somebody- has to convince marketing it's a good idea :) is difficult at best. The WAIX has several fairly well maintained lists of resources, many which local ISPs list on their websites. This provides user incentive.

AND A MAJOR GROWTH POINT. Users, if provided with a list of resources available at a freely exchanging peering point, are more likely to try and convince their providers to participate. It's simply.

... and that is pretty much Australian Internet Exchanges 101... from my uneducated point of view of course :)

1. don't smoke. three people you know will die of lung cancer before you are me.
2. if you say it's just a "weekend drug" only do it on the weekend. two people you know will die of od's before you are me. one will be very close to you.
3. wear your seatbelt. especially on january 3. 1994. better still, cancel that road trip.
4. call your grandmother now and ask her about the easter rising. you don't care now, but you will later.
4. you are alergic to crab. don't eat crab.

The main telecom in Australia has a two-way satellite service available Australia wide (mostly for rural areas). They also have a 1-way satellite with modem back channel.

Perhaps you can check their web-site and e-mail their tech's - perhaps they'll be willing tell you the setup they use.

Failing that - are there any slashdot readers that have this service? - if so, what is your setup?

Their two-way satellite web-site is here

Here in Australia we pay Telstra $111.45 for 3 gigs a month! That said we can VPN all we like.

here

"70 per cent of Telstra's broadband customers did not reach their download limits."

Telstra's most limited account is 300Mb limit per month at AU$54.95. Each additional Mb is charged at 15.9c per megabyte.

Some Australian ISPs charge for each additional megabtye over your limit, and others throttle your speed to something ridiculous (like 28.8kbps). I ordered the latter for my uncle when setting up his ADSL because many people are ignorant of their web usage (at least at first).

If a user on the 300Mb plan downloads 500Mb in their first month, they will pay

$54.95 + 200Mb * $0.159 = $54.95 + $31.80 = $86.75.

If you think that is bad, if a 3Gb user downloads 3.8Gb in their first month (like most teenagers I know), they're up for

$87.95 + 800Mb * $0.139 = $87.95 + $111.20 = $199.15.

I'm suprised no Aussies brought this up in the recent article Add-Ons Add Up.

Independent resources for market research include Whirlpool (Australian Broadband News) and Broadband Choice for indexed summaries of all providers plans. Read them first! Please!

My cable guy (on a slightly funny yet sad side-note) didn't have a PCMCIA network card and left my house happy having achieved his list of todos. I felt very empty waiting 3 days to get to shop for my own NIC to finish the job. The EULA was the least of my concern.

On a more valid note, in Australia I do know that Optus Cable is a permanent connection and does not require any software whatsoever (and none is installed), while Telstra Cable requires softward because it is PPPoE and perhaps other non-standard things (for a very long time they did not use DOCSIS modems).

It was recently revealed that nine per cent of connections (affecting over one million customers) are supplied by using pair-gain technology to provide multiple virtual telephone lines over one physical copper line. These virtual lines can not be used for broadband internet services such as ADSL.

If "third-generation" wireless technology can be used to provide the "last mile" of the connection (instead of relying on copper wires), this means ADSL can possibly be provided to the substantial number of customers whose telephone lines are pair-gain. For most of these customers, the only high speed internet access option previously available to them was satellite internet, which (as you said previously) is well beyond most people's budgets, and offers none of the benefits of ADSL connectivity.

which may be the oz view of freedom?

Ever wonder what the situation in Australia?

The ISP charge you based on the download, meaning every single bit of incoming traffic is gonna cost you money.

Say, you signed up for adsl 512/128. You would think you pay for a pipe with 512kbps down and 128kbps up, period. Wrong.
here's the pricelist
Better put a 'comma', the ISP only allowed you to 'download' certain mega/gigabits per month, afterward... you must pay extra for the usage.

In a sense, they charge you for the content you downloaded on the internet. I'm paying for viewing this page... how about that?

ADSL may have Linux support from Telstra, but Cable doesn't. Still works, though.

easy they take the australian isp's way out

Bigpond Cable

uncap the speed, cap the data/month

Props to Newtown -- my favorite suburb.

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An American programmer goes nuts trying to work within a group of Indian programmers who in his mind "write half-assed code, cut corners, and cover up mistakes."

Meanwhile, an Indian programmer goes nuts trying to work within a group of American programmers, who in his mind are slow, lazy and underproductive team members.

In India after the Bhopal disaster, were new enforced laws brought into existence that would prevent a repeat? No. That BP/Amoco gas pipe that everyone in Nigeria was told NOT TO GO NEAR. What happened? Boom and lots of people died. Quoting,

There have been similar incidents in other parts of Africa. More than 30 Kenyans died in July as they collected petrol from an overturned tanker lorry. In Cameroon, about 120 died as they gathered fuel at the scene of a railway accident.

Did I miss something, or have the scenes from Mad Max with the fuel shortages become reality? To give a more measurable indication of this, third world driving is world famous, neither the right nor the left side is reserved for cars driving in a particular direction. Instead vehicles are just grateful that a road exists at all and drive in a haphazard way. If you watch Lonely Planet on the Discovery Travel & Leisure channel you will see that head-on collisions occur far more than any other in all countries except developed ones. Here are some statistics (scroll down to automobiles). From this same source, I quote,

Ferries in places like Bangladesh, Haiti, The Philippines and Hong Kong have had major disasters from capsizing due to overloading and collision. In roughly an eight-year period, there were more than 360 ferry boat accidents killing 11,350 people.

Like in the US, if you picked up a dog and ripped his heart out in the mall everyone would be like "Oh my God!" but if you do it in a market in China/India it's, well, it's like pointing out that the sky is blue. This lack of respect for animal life and human life (road crash statistics) is indicative of the peoples' thinking. Anyone says, "but eberybody is different" is wrong to some degree. There's always some level of conformity. Even a staunch anarchist in the US can drive, he doesn't "disobey" red lights all the time and "ignore" stop signs all the time. A true anarchist would sit at the roadside and throw roadkill at passing vehicles, would piss in the middle of the freeway stopping all the cars, would attack a drive-thru bank with a sledgehammer, would walk in the street with a long knife in his hand, would throw a lit cigarrete on the floor at the gas station so he doesn't have to pay for his gas, etc.

I could fill this post with my personal experiences whilst visiting India e.g. electrician "If it catchs fire, then I give you half your money back and I fix it". Suffice it to say that look at my website to see the conditions your Indian software is written under. Notice the walls inside the houses - no wallpaper, shredded paint. But that's normal and natural, npbody notices it, it doesn't occur to them, just as making dangerous shortcuts whilst designing & coding don't occur to them. Same as that lost puppy look that you get when you tell a newbie that his PC has been fried because he opened an email with an attachment. He then says "What's an attachment" the thought never occurs, same as nobody *demands* to look at a company's balance sheet in the middle of a job interview. Read this to find out what these countries are actually like. No marketing trash. News like this happens all the time. I mean skyscrapers collapse by themselves all the time - they don't need Osama binLaden.

This is the same model us here in Australia have been offered. With my cable ISP, Telstra BigPond, you can download a maximum of 3GB a month before you are charged 11 cents per MB (there are different plans available with more or less data, but the 3GB one is the one most users are on, and is the best value).

All Telstra content is exempt from this, and does not count towards your quota. Telstra mirror the major Linux and *BSD distros, service packs, game demos, movie trailers as well as providing video streams (including full replays of every NRL and AFL game).

The other major cable ISP, Optusnet, allows users to download up to 10 times the average of all customers over a 14 day period. Currently, the average user downloads 75MB a day. They have a tool called Netstats that allows users to get this information. Optus does have a fairer system, but they haven very limited availability (only selected parts of Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane; nothing outside those cities), and you cannot run servers at all (Telstra allows this). There are also rumours that since SingTel bought Optus, they are looking at changing this system to a flat download limit.

I'm going to go against popular opinion and say that I don't mind this system at all. I download less than 3GB's a month, I get all the Linux distros for free, and can comfortably download whatever I like. It costs a hell of a lot to send data to and from the US, and I'd rather that my ISP is profitable and won't sink.

I also don't see why I should subsidise 12-year old warez kiddies; if they want their warez, they can damn well pay for it.

you guys don't know how good you've got it:

Have a look at the latest broadband offerings in australia. THEN complain about your services.

I would chew off my right leg to get as good a deal as you guys are getting. Have a look at the Australian Broadband community website: Whirlpool then while you're at it look at this Broadband pricing plan which is a 31 percent increase over what it was a month ago!

Don't get me wrong, I'm not ticked off at you guys for complaining, but just remember, no matter how bad you've got it - we've got it worse..

-- Dan "Not happy Jan" Thomas =(

Not suprisingly enough, this initiative was launched just before the last federal election and is of course a mutual PR exercise on the goverment and Telstras part.

There is no info online other than a number to call.

Hands up who is moving to the country?

I live in Australia where we have two main cable companies, the largest being Telstra and available in more areas than the better Optus@Home. Telstra really should look at your company and bring into practice some of your ideas. Instead, this is what they have done: -Implemented a 512K/128K capping -Introduced a 3Gb Capping (additional is AUD 0.19c/Mb -Charging same price. -Allowing servers to be used on their residential plans (encouraging more bandwidth usage, thus charged more and more). People were abusing this service like crazy, the result being that my business has suffered greatly because of this. My transfer on average is just over 4Gb a month. I am now having to limit my transfers (don't use filesharing clients at all). People have begged and pleaded for Telstra's policies to be changed, but it definitely looks like they're stuck with these and simply won't consider the customer at all. They have the monopoly, so people who need broadband are simply going to have to deal with their policies. Just take a look at this!

But wait there's more....you are probably thinking why there is not higher cap plan available? Well the situation is if you went to the link I provided above there is a 5GB cap plan (no speed limit)...look at the price... A$209 ($US100) per month!!!!
What really amazes me is that it would be cheaper (but not possible in this case) to set up 2 x 3GB cap cable accounts and it would be still cheaper than the 5GB plan. I just don't get how Tel$tra has come up with their pricing models! Let's just say you wanted 10GB Cap, $US 200 per month!!! What do ordinary Optus customers pay for this competing service? Approx $70 ($US35) per month. Only 17% of the Telstra cost!!!

According to Telstra, the customers have to "MANAGE" their usage to ensure they don't go over their cap...so what tools have Telstra given to its customer's? A an online usage meter that does not work! Check this link to see why customers a very angry. I wish I could switch over to Optus, but where I live, Telstra is the only broadband provider. Talk about monopoly.

Optus customers have it good and I wish I could join you guys. I think the broadband broadband offered overseas kick butt.

Maybe I should relocate (I can not see myself going back to dialup). Btw, Telstra have recently introduced these new restrictions so I did not know about them until after I signed the contract months before.
Here's a link that mentions the first customer hit with the 3G cap.

please dont forget regional users. I live on kangaroo island, off the coast of south australia, and we dont have access to anything except dialup. 2-way sattelite is a new option just emerging, but looking at the prices here you can see that this is indeed not an option at all.
$AU450/month for 3gb, ADSL costs $89 a month for exactly the same service (without shit latency too).

You can see that telstra in australia screws just about everybody. For those that dont know, 2/3 of telstra has been privatised and the other 1/3 is going to be shortly. We will see many more /. posts about our shit telecommunications if this happens.

I guess I'm stuck with this shit dialup for another 10 years - at least you have a half-reasonable choice.